| --- | Log | opened Sun Dec 14 00:00:33 2008 |
| --- | Day | changed Sun Dec 14 2008 |
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| 00:03 | <funkpuppet> | I am wondering if my debian installation is completely hosed |
| 00:04 | <funkpuppet> | It's not booting and giving me a GRUB Error 17 |
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| 00:05 | <funkpuppet> | Now I've done some looking around on that error, |
| 00:06 | <funkpuppet> | but when I start a computer using a live CD the only directories it finds in my linux partitions are lost+found and var |
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| 00:07 | <funkpuppet> | has anyone seen anything like this before? It's been a while since I booted the computer up, can't trace it to anything I did |
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| 00:10 | <s3a> | is there any software that allows me to use my webcam as a video recording device for non internet related uses? |
| 00:10 | <s3a> | that is in repositories |
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| 00:12 | <funkpuppet> | s3a -- have you looked at Cheese? |
| 00:12 | <funkpuppet> | I don't know how sophisticated it is but it will record video from a cam |
| 00:12 | <simonrvn> | camorama; cheese; gtkam |
| 00:12 | <s3a> | funkpuppet, thanks! ill check it out (i dont need anything sophisticated anyway) |
| 00:13 | <funkpuppet> | np hope it works out |
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| 00:17 | <NickPresta> | I'm a little confused on what will become of the 'current' testing branch. In the past, I've always used Debian Stable so when a new 'stable' version was released, I updated to that and that was the end. Now, I'm using 'testing'. What happens when Lenny becomes 'stable'? I have 'testing' in my sources.list. Do I suddenly start using the next testing repo or will I have a 'stable' system? Thanks. |
| 00:19 | <s3a> | NickPresta, if you want to stay with testing always then keep it on 'testing'...if you want to stay with lenny even when it is stable change the word 'testing' to 'lenny' |
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| 00:19 | <NickPresta> | s3a, ah okay. I wish to stay with testing, what ever that is at any given time. I will keep testing. Thanks |
| 00:19 | <s3a> | NickPresta, np |
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| 00:25 | <Famelix> | ol[a |
| 00:25 | <Famelix> | ol[a |
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| 00:34 | <dean_stev> | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! |
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| 00:42 | <enouf> | s3a: might also want to mention the possible flood of issues that happens to testing, once Lenny is released as Stable - since the Freeze period kept many things from propagating down into Lenny from Sid, .. and since many less users have used the newer software, less bugs are noticed/reported/fixed .. so anyone staying on "testing" when lenny is released should expect some breakage soon thereafter ;-) |
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| 00:42 | <enouf> | s3a: though .. i don't know how to say that in less than a full paragraph :-P |
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| 01:08 | <steves> | ola? |
| 01:09 | <steves> | peeps there? |
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| 01:11 | <scrounch_> | steves: hi! |
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| 01:13 | <Acai> | hi, i'm having endless problems writing to an NTFS drive. i've install a few programmes to do the trick, but none have worked. they are ntfsutils and ntfs-3g |
| 01:13 | <Acai> | ntfs3g says i need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.20, i'm running 18 |
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| 01:14 | <cahoot> | so you already got the fix |
| 01:14 | <Acai> | what do you mean? |
| 01:15 | <cahoot> | need to upgrade kernel |
| 01:15 | <Acai> | 2.6.20 doesn't seem to be in the stable repository |
| 01:15 | <cahoot> | !etchnhalf |
| 01:15 | <dpkg> | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 01:17 | <Acai> | so, if i add that repository, i'll just be able to install the new kernel? i'm doing this all so i can backup my important files to a friend's ntfs portable hard drive and wipe my drive |
| 01:17 | <Acai> | great... a ghost |
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| 01:19 | <Acai> | cahoot: so, if i add that repository, i'll just be able to install the new kernel? i'm doing this all so i can backup my important files to a friend's ntfs portable hard drive and wipe my drive |
| 01:22 | <cahoot> | Acai: seems you need some ugrade as the errormsg implies - etchnhalf seems the least intrusive |
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| 01:25 | <steves> | Hey.someone, anyone :) Ive recently installed lenny on my Eeepc laptop. Installed RubyGem, and everythings seems to work fine. except that none of the gem i've installed seems to work... I guess that the system never reads the ggem's executable dir. How do I fix. |
| 01:27 | <Acai> | alright, thanks, i'm install now |
| 01:29 | <steves> | (excuse my horrible spelling and punctuation, these laptop keys are way too small :) |
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| 01:30 | <kop> | Ya know, the bot msg, or the referenced web pages, for etchnhalf need fixing. Etchnhalf has gone into the stable release, and I don't think any of the instructions mention that you can just install it with apt. (Some might still need a new installer. I don't know the status there.) |
| 01:31 | <Acai> | kop: that's what i was wondering and i searched with aptitude and am using apt to install |
| 01:32 | <dmoerner> | steves, don't expect gems to integrate at all with debian. http://planet.debian.net/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=ruby+gems |
| 01:32 | <kop> | Acai : The only time people will have trouble with that is if the 2.6.18 kernel does not support network access. Then they'll need to install the newer kernel with an installer. |
| 01:32 | <Metatron> | is the a way to add an app to the panel to be ran as root? |
| 01:32 | <Acai> | i'm planning on install lenny after running spinrite to fix the bad sectors of my drive |
| 01:32 | <kop> | (FYI, shorewall seems to be configured for 2.6.18 and does not load the right modules under 2.6.24. No suprise there.) |
| 01:33 | <snogglethorpe> | anyone remember the tool that allows one to tweak various detailed gtk settings? it lets you do things like reduce/increase whitespace between widgets etc (independently of wahtever theme you're using)? |
| 01:33 | <dmoerner> | gconf-editor? |
| 01:33 | <kop> | Metatron : No. You right click. Or gnome will let you drag and drop. (It all depends on your window manager.) |
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| 01:33 | <snogglethorpe> | dmoerner: no it's something more specific to tweaking theme settings |
| 01:34 | <Metatron> | gnome, some apps in the menu have a "run as root" beside them, i just want to mimic that |
| 01:34 | <snogglethorpe> | (it's nice because you can e.g., really tighten up the acres of whitesapce some gtk themes use...) |
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| 01:35 | <Metatron> | i see how use gksu |
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| 01:35 | <kop> | Metatron : Ok. I didn't understand your question. |
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| 01:36 | <starnull> | i'm using aptitude to install some packages and i'm getting this message |
| 01:36 | <starnull> | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 01:37 | <steves> | hey? |
| 01:38 | <fxiny> | some packages ? you should know why |
| 01:38 | <dmoerner> | steves, yes? |
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| 01:38 | <steves> | hey man. got some trouble getting rubygems to work propely in debian lenny |
| 01:38 | <starnull> | fxiny: i don't understand. i'm not sure how aptitude verifies the authenticity of packages. am i missing something? |
| 01:38 | <dmoerner> | steves, i sent you a link |
| 01:38 | <dmoerner> | to explain why gems and debian don't play nice |
| 01:39 | <steves> | where the link? |
| 01:39 | <dmoerner> | http://planet.debian.net/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=ruby+gems |
| 01:39 | <fxiny> | starnull: could be a gpg key : is it a bpo package you already downloaded ? |
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| 01:39 | <steves> | :) hehe tanx |
| 01:39 | <dmoerner> | start on dec 8 |
| 01:39 | <dmoerner> | and read forward |
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| 01:40 | <dmoerner> | or rather first read the may 6 post by gunnar |
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| 01:41 | <fxiny> | starnull: anyway that is a warning , you can press y/yes to let aptitude know *you* trust that package |
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| 01:45 | <starnull> | fxiny: yeah. it was a tor package. keys are present. |
| 01:45 | <jakeriver> | . |
| 01:46 | <starnull> | |
| 01:46 | <fxiny> | starnull: tor ? maybe i know what you mean . a w* package ? i trust w* , import the required key or just press y/yes |
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| 01:50 | <kop> | fxiny : He probably ment tor as the in the onion router. |
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| 01:52 | <superjet_busy> | how to change qt into qt4 with cdbs of qmake.mk, eg. how to pass QMAKE things into debian/rules? |
| 01:53 | <fxiny> | kop: afaik there are debianized packages avaiable by a well known debian developper |
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| 01:55 | <fxiny> | kop: last time i tried , installing tor in debian was a breeze ;) |
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| 01:57 | <steves> | dmoerener? |
| 01:57 | <dmoerner> | steves, yes? |
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| 01:58 | <steves> | hey. :) checked the link... so Ruby~Gems aint liked hehe... i need to get them working however... is there a way? |
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| 01:59 | <steves> | individual gems wont fire up when called |
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| 02:01 | <steves> | bash: rails: command not found |
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| 02:05 | <dmoerner> | rails: /usr/bin/rails |
| 02:05 | <dmoerner> | is rails installed? |
| 02:05 | <steves> | yes |
| 02:05 | <dmoerner> | or even in your path? |
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| 02:07 | <steves> | the rails excecutables is store at /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin |
| 02:07 | <steves> | *are stored at |
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| 02:08 | <steves> | but i dont know how to link em up to bash |
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| 02:12 | <steves> | is there a way? |
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| 02:15 | <brunner> | I have a server with an encrypted partition. They key to mount it is not stored on the server, so the partition can only be mounted remotely. What methods could be used to attack my box while it's still running? (assuming no passwords could be guessed or brute-forced via the keyboard interface) |
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| 02:16 | <brunner> | So... once the server is turned off and unplugged from the internet, the encrypted data would be pretty useless. It would have to be attacked physically while the server is still running. What methods of attack are available to an adversary in the datacenter where the server is co-located? |
| 02:19 | <steves> | dmoerner? you still there? |
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| 02:20 | <dmoerner> | export PATH=/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin:$PATH |
| 02:21 | <steves> | sweet tnx:) |
| 02:21 | <steves> | i run this in konsole right? |
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| 02:22 | <dmoerner> | yes |
| 02:23 | <steves> | works like a charm :) graciaz... |
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| 02:25 | <brunner> | so no ideas? |
| 02:25 | <fxiny> | brunner: yes , trying to remember |
| 02:26 | <fxiny> | brunner: key can be retireved from the ram in the data center , clear it up |
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| 02:27 | <brunner> | how would they retrieve it? |
| 02:27 | <fxiny> | by freezing the ram , is a known attack . ask google |
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| 02:33 | <brunner> | fxiny: great point, thanks! |
| 02:33 | <fxiny> | brunner: i have a home encryted etch , full encryupted swap included . just for fun . i've done it my way : i set the luks layer up then i've cloned a normal etch over it . easy :) |
| 02:33 | <brunner> | fxiny: the youtube video here is excellent on the topic: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=900 |
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| 02:34 | <fxiny> | brunner: you know ? starting from scratch , a new install , can be annoying , but cloning is much easier |
| 02:35 | <fxiny> | brunner: and performances are very good |
| 02:35 | <brunner> | hmm |
| 02:36 | <fxiny> | i mean , only one partition encryped is not enough |
| 02:36 | <brunner> | I only need to encrypt the mysql data and some web scripts |
| 02:36 | <fxiny> | i see |
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| 02:36 | <brunner> | hmmm |
| 02:37 | <brunner> | if I had a dedicated server, would it be possible to create a RAM disk and repartition the hard drive remotely? |
| 02:37 | <fxiny> | anyway , mine is a home system , average/low hardware , i'm talking performances , and they are very good : debian rulez :=) |
| 02:37 | <brunner> | by working from the RAM disk? |
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| 02:41 | <fxiny> | brunner: never done that . how do you clone a system ? you set new partition up and you copy over . ok ? set the luks layer up from your runnig system . make the initrd in your old system , cp it over , boot and set things up . i have used scrub for sanitizing it , scrub won't cook your hd |
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| 02:43 | <fxiny> | i have no particular reasons for a luks system but i do not care about eyecandy , so i use avaiable resources for encryption |
| 02:43 | <brunner> | oh, gotit |
| 02:43 | <brunner> | it* |
| 02:43 | <fxiny> | brunner: i can give you an url in a sec |
| 02:43 | <brunner> | okay, thanks |
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| 02:45 | <fxiny> | brunner: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 , iirc there is more , just browse the site |
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| 02:47 | <brunner> | thanks |
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| 02:48 | <fxiny> | brunner: np |
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| 03:06 | * | enouf fires up the nail gun air compressor and aims it at fxiny :-P |
| 03:08 | * | fxiny powers the magetic shield up . collects all nails , and sell 'em on ebay |
| 03:09 | <fxiny> | enouf: we are the blanked generation :=) |
| 03:10 | <enouf> | fxiny: haha ... |
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| 03:25 | <D1ablo> | oh dear |
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| 03:26 | <D1ablo> | man my 7600GS is running at 95 C |
| 03:27 | <fxiny> | 95 ? that's gentoo boiling point :P |
| 03:28 | <enouf> | email @thanks nvidia |
| 03:28 | <D1ablo> | this is not good |
| 03:29 | <D1ablo> | Mr.scotty> icrease more fan power speed |
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| 03:29 | <enouf> | D1ablo: why not setup a nice table fan for it - constantly blow cool air over it :-P |
| 03:29 | <D1ablo> | increase |
| 03:29 | <enouf> | or .. get a case of compressed air cans :-) |
| 03:30 | <fxiny> | enouf: no jokes , i want the intevil i7 power saving |
| 03:30 | <fxiny> | i have to wait |
| 03:30 | * | D1ablo thinking converting the pc to hot oven pizza |
| 03:30 | <enouf> | fxiny: i want D1ablo 's GPU RAM!! :-P |
| 03:30 | <fxiny> | enouf: hehehe |
| 03:31 | <D1ablo> | enouf> you can have it after it reach 120 c |
| 03:33 | <fxiny> | enouf: compressed air cans are old technology , i use advanced tech : to clear off dust , i play with my bicycle pump :P |
| 03:33 | <fxiny> | no jokes |
| 03:34 | <enouf> | fxiny: i remember! :-) |
| 03:34 | <fxiny> | enouf: :) |
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| 03:35 | <D1ablo> | i had an old pentium pro 180mhz overclocked it to 233mhz ran copper tube through the cpu fan worked greate untill condensation started to play up |
| 03:36 | <D1ablo> | in the 6 month the pc turn into 1700 century relic |
| 03:36 | <D1ablo> | 17 |
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| 03:36 | <enouf> | you certainly don;t have any 7600GS hooked into that thing |
| 03:36 | <D1ablo> | s3? :-) |
| 03:37 | <D1ablo> | with 2mb ram ? |
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| 03:37 | <enouf> | my p150 has a trident w/1M ram :-p |
| 03:38 | <D1ablo> | thats hepa compared to my XT machine with 16k :-P |
| 03:38 | <D1ablo> | heaps |
| 03:38 | <D1ablo> | they also comes in 4k mono :-) |
| 03:39 | <D1ablo> | you be seeing things in 2 shade green in no time |
| 03:40 | * | D1ablo laughs at the turbo switch :-) |
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| 03:48 | <computer> | im downloading linux mint, hope it is as good as they say it is. burning it to a cd now... :) |
| 03:48 | <fxiny> | why are you telling us ? |
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| 03:49 | <computer> | is it worth it? |
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| 03:51 | <D1ablo> | computer> you should ask in #mint? |
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| 03:52 | <computer> | hmm dont think they have irc |
| 03:52 | <computer> | channel |
| 03:52 | <computer> | or server |
| 03:52 | <gsimmons> | !linux mint |
| 03:52 | <dpkg> | from memory, linux mint is a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join #linuxmint @ irc.spotchat.org. See <Based on Debian>. http://www.linuxmint.com, or http://linuxmint.com/forum |
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| 03:55 | <D1ablo> | when i installed ubuntu my system just crawled |
| 03:55 | <D1ablo> | went back to etch |
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| 03:55 | <computer> | etch? |
| 03:56 | <D1ablo> | oh dear |
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| 03:56 | <D1ablo> | etch and a half |
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| 04:00 | <craigevil> | mint is just ubuntu with all the multimedia codecs/drivres and a prettier desktop, its still ubuntu which means its still crap |
| 04:00 | <Supaplex> | and off topic in #debian :) |
| 04:01 | <Supaplex> | would you like to install the real debian? |
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| 04:09 | <EmleyMoor> | I've been trying to backport ekiga from experimental, but can't get H263 when I do |
| 04:10 | <Supaplex> | have you communicated with the maintainer? they might know |
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| 04:10 | <EmleyMoor> | Not as yet - been upstream to no avail - but will try |
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| 04:12 | <Supaplex> | uupdate? |
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| 04:12 | <EmleyMoor> | In fact, one of the people I have been in touch with is one of the maintainers |
| 04:13 | <EmleyMoor> | No - no need for uupdate - the version in experimental is fine - it's just getting that codec that's a problem |
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| 04:17 | <snakeru> | tes |
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| 04:20 | <EmleyMoor> | Do any of you know a current market webcam that works in Linux? |
| 04:21 | <cahoot> | logitech 9000 seems well supported by uvcvideo |
| 04:21 | <EmleyMoor> | I'll look out for it |
| 04:21 | <cahoot> | even my logitech 5000 runs fine |
| 04:21 | <cahoot> | check uvcvideos site |
| 04:22 | <EmleyMoor> | The one I've got plugged in right now is a Logitech but not current market |
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| 04:22 | <cahoot> | http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ |
| 04:25 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... might be an idea to print that page before shopping |
| 04:25 | <scientes__> | whats the new filesystem |
| 04:25 | <scientes__> | blkid? |
| 04:25 | <cahoot> | they should link to bestbuy |
| 04:26 | <scientes__> | no btfs |
| 04:28 | <D1ablo> | passive heatsink man..SUX |
| 04:28 | <D1ablo> | 95c and going up |
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| 05:09 | <brunner> | is there a hardware solution that handles disk encryption that is supported by linux or any of the BSDs? |
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| 05:15 | <dondelelcaro> | brunner why use hardware disk encryption? |
| 05:15 | <brunner> | to keep the key out of RAM to prevent cold boot attacks |
| 05:16 | <dondelelcaro> | there's nothing magical about hardware that would prevent that |
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| 05:17 | <dondelelcaro> | (there are a whole host of physical access to the machine attacks which can subvert encryption) |
| 05:18 | <D1ablo> | re we talking about laptop encryption ? |
| 05:18 | <D1ablo> | are |
| 05:19 | <dondelelcaro> | if it really matters, get a machine that follows the TCG specifications |
| 05:20 | <D1ablo> | oh dear |
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| 05:20 | <brunner> | D1ablo: no. a server. |
| 05:20 | <D1ablo> | dondeelbarato> you lost me! |
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| 05:21 | <D1ablo> | password encryption ? |
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| 05:22 | <D1ablo> | got myself 5 ibm 306 e servers mount rack but X series :-( |
| 05:22 | <brunner> | I'm looking to encrypt a partition that contains a DB and some web scripts |
| 05:23 | <brunner> | and I'd like to send the key via SSH or SSL after power outages |
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| 05:24 | <dondelelcaro> | brunner: assuming the machine has reasonable physical security, I wouldn't worry about cold boot attacks; you can use any of the software encyrption methods that are fast enough/secure enough for your procedure; see the installer documentation for details |
| 05:24 | <dondelelcaro> | brunner: the general method is to nnnnot bring up the database on reboot until the partition that is encrypted is mounted. |
| 05:25 | <brunner> | right |
| 05:25 | <brunner> | that would be the plan |
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| 05:25 | <D1ablo> | you can perhaps palce the key on a memory stick |
| 05:25 | <D1ablo> | place |
| 05:26 | <brunner> | I will have no physical access |
| 05:26 | <D1ablo> | ok |
| 05:26 | <brunner> | which is why the encrypted partition has to be mounted remotely |
| 05:28 | <fxiny> | brunner: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/579 |
| 05:28 | <brunner> | fxiny: thanks |
| 05:28 | <fxiny> | ulocking via ssh |
| 05:28 | <fxiny> | un* |
| 05:28 | <brunner> | woah, an encrypted root partition |
| 05:28 | <brunner> | via ssh |
| 05:28 | <brunner> | awesome!! |
| 05:29 | <brunner> | I was planning on settling on just encrypting a partition |
| 05:29 | <fxiny> | brunner: np . all credits to debian-admin ppl |
| 05:29 | <brunner> | or rather, I was planning on just using a single file as the home for my encrypted partition |
| 05:30 | <brunner> | and now that I think about it, since this will be on a dedicated server, I don't think I'll be able to partition the hard drive |
| 05:30 | <brunner> | unless you know a way to do it while the box is running |
| 05:30 | <fxiny> | brunner: iirc someone uses a key gpg encrypted . but can't rememebr where i read it |
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| 05:47 | <stickman> | i got postfix working ok if it's on the same subnet as my other boxes. what hoop do i jump thru if it's on a box behind a router? |
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| 05:49 | <sylarr> | is there some instant-messaging client/server that doesn't allow file transfers? |
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| 06:04 | <fxiny> | sylarr: gui ? |
| 06:04 | <sylarr> | yes |
| 06:05 | <fxiny> | sylarr: no idea then , iirc bitlbee won't allow msn and friend to transfer files |
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| 06:05 | <Lethalman> | sylarr: current version of empathy doesn't support file transfer |
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| 06:07 | <onur> | ls |
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| 06:10 | <Concrete> | ifw |
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| 06:11 | <lsndsr> | ?? |
| 06:11 | <And1> | Heya, can I rename my raids, e.g. /dev/md2 to /dev/md0? |
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| 06:29 | <lloowen> | Hello all! New to debian. I'm trying to download via the synaptic, but when I click 'apply' in synaptic it asks me to put in a cd. I thought I could download via the net! |
| 06:29 | <fxiny> | comment out the cd line in your sources.list |
| 06:30 | <fxiny> | !sources.list |
| 06:30 | <dpkg> | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 06:30 | <lloowen> | Thanks for speedy reply |
| 06:30 | <fxiny> | np |
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| 06:56 | <energetix> | hey loba can you see me |
| 06:57 | <lloowen> | Got it working thanks. If I see this statement 'cannot stat compile/svscan : No such file or directory' does that mean I am missing a package from the repositories? |
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| 07:02 | <energetix> | d |
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| 07:07 | <energetix11> | anybody here |
| 07:07 | <energetix11> | ? |
| 07:08 | <cahoot> | ! |
| 07:08 | <energetix11> | oh so you can see my messages , cool i was setting this client up |
| 07:08 | <energetix11> | i thought since there is no activity here , no users |
| 07:08 | <cahoot> | !test |
| 07:08 | <dpkg> | Test Failed. |
| 07:10 | <energetix11> | serverhelp |
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| 07:15 | * | energetix11 listens |
| 07:16 | <amphi> | !sing |
| 07:16 | <dpkg> | Everybody's got a water buffalo, yours is fast but mine is slow..... http://www.bpfh.net/stories/tcp-towers/water-buffalo.html |
| 07:16 | <energetix11> | what |
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| 07:19 | <energetix812> | can anybody see my messages? |
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| 07:20 | * | amphi can |
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| 07:20 | <chealer> | lloowen: when doing what? |
| 07:20 | <energetix812> | when chatting |
| 07:21 | <energetix812> | is there nobody communicating because i can't see any messages |
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| 07:23 | <cahoot> | it's just slow |
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| 07:24 | <cahoot> | energetix11: you use debian? |
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| 07:24 | <energetix11> | yep |
| 07:24 | <cahoot> | energetix11: in that case #debian on freenode.net is livelier |
| 07:24 | <energetix11> | oh ok thanks, i thought something is wrong with my irc client , i just set it up |
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| 07:25 | <And1> | When I try to start X, my .xsession-errors says: "mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied" |
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| 07:26 | <cahoot> | And1: what does ls -ld /tmp return? |
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| 07:27 | <And1> | drwxr-xr-t 5 root root |
| 07:27 | <cahoot> | And1: debian? |
| 07:27 | <And1> | cahoot: Yup. |
| 07:28 | <And1> | Lenny. |
| 07:28 | <cahoot> | try as root chmod 1777 /tmp |
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| 07:28 | <KiDFlaSh> | which version of flash do you have? |
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| 07:29 | <And1> | Yeah... that was easy, hehe. Thanks cahoot. =) Do I also have to do the same with /var/tmp? |
| 07:29 | <cahoot> | no don't |
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| 07:30 | <cahoot> | And1: you mean /var/tmp also has those perms? |
| 07:30 | <cahoot> | drwxr-xr-t 5 root root |
| 07:30 | <cahoot> | ? |
| 07:30 | <And1> | Yup. |
| 07:30 | <cahoot> | how come? |
| 07:30 | <cahoot> | drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4096 26 okt 00.17 /var/tmp here |
| 07:30 | <And1> | Dunno. What permission should it have? - Ah ok. |
| 07:31 | <And1> | The permissions were like that after changed to new hdds and cloned my old system on the harddrives. |
| 07:31 | <KiDFlaSh> | does your flash work? |
| 07:32 | <cahoot> | And1: wonder what else perms are messed up then |
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| 07:32 | <And1> | cahoot: I hope none. :P The only change, /tmp and /var/tmp are separate partitions now, it wasn't like that before. |
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| 07:32 | <cahoot> | And1: ok |
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| 07:34 | <fxiny> | KiDFlaSh: running etch ? |
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| 07:36 | <KiDFlaSh> | no |
| 07:36 | <KiDFlaSh> | lenny |
| 07:37 | <And1> | Anyone knows how I can rename raid-devices? |
| 07:38 | <superjet_busy> | !udev rule |
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| 07:39 | <fxiny> | !flash |
| 07:39 | <dpkg> | well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 07:40 | <KiDFlaSh> | !adobe flash |
| 07:40 | <dpkg> | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 07:40 | <craigevil> | KiDFlaSh: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=33872 |
| 07:41 | <KiDFlaSh> | i have lenny |
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| 07:44 | <And1> | superjet_busy: Was that for me? |
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| 07:47 | <KiDFlaSh> | !bpo |
| 07:47 | <dpkg> | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 07:48 | <superjet_busy> | And1: yes, you can write one udev for your device |
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| 07:49 | <And1> | superjet_busy: Mh, where would I have to do this, any link to a documentation? |
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| 07:51 | <And1> | superjet_busy: Raid md0 and md1 don't exist anymore, so I want to rename md2-md6... |
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| 07:52 | <superjet_busy> | And1: just google `udev write rule md0` |
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| 07:52 | <And1> | superjet_busy: Thanks. :) |
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| 07:53 | <superjet_busy> | And1: what's md0-1 point to now? |
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| 07:53 | <And1> | superjet_busy: Shall I see it in dev? |
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| 07:55 | <And1> | There they are not listed anymore. |
| 07:55 | <superjet_busy> | And1: you may use udev-info to get more information |
| 07:55 | <superjet_busy> | And1: do you mount them now? |
| 07:56 | <allisonvoll> | hello |
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| 07:56 | <And1> | superjet_busy: md0 and md1 where my old raids, I don't use it and its drives anymore. |
| 07:57 | <superjet_busy> | there is no /dev/md0 now? |
| 07:58 | <And1> | No. |
| 07:58 | <superjet_busy> | udev will create them automatic if they exist |
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| 07:59 | <superjet_busy> | what's you want? does udev recognize them now? |
| 08:00 | <KiDFlaSh> | http://rafb.net/p/bfHd5h78.html i get this output |
| 08:00 | <KiDFlaSh> | the multimedia.org repos dont work? |
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| 08:00 | <And1> | I want md2 to be md0, md3 to be md1, ... |
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| 08:01 | -!- | sidux is now known as Guest1197 |
| 08:02 | <superjet_busy> | And1: write udev rule to rename them or just symlink them into md0 and md1 |
| 08:02 | -!- | Guest1197 is now known as sidux__ |
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| 08:03 | <KiDFlaSh> | . http://rafb.net/p/bfHd5h78.html whats up there? |
| 08:04 | <superjet_busy> | KiDFlaSh: import the site's key |
| 08:04 | <And1> | superjet_busy: Uh, writing a udev rule seems to be complex. :P |
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| 08:05 | <KiDFlaSh> | superjet_busy, where can i find the key? |
| 08:05 | <simonrvn> | on their web site.... |
| 08:05 | <superjet_busy> | And1: it's simple indeed, just match them uniq will be ok |
| 08:06 | <KiDFlaSh> | you mean i have to install the keyring? |
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| 08:07 | <simonrvn> | apt-key add |
| 08:07 | <simonrvn> | !apt-key add FOO |
| 08:07 | <dpkg> | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys add FOO ; gpg --export add FOO | sudo apt-key add - |
| 08:07 | <ferdo> | what |
| 08:07 | <simonrvn> | the foo is the keyid |
| 08:08 | <ferdo> | help trouble with antix |
| 08:08 | <superjet_busy> | KiDFlaSh: install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 08:08 | <KiDFlaSh> | thank you |
| 08:08 | <KiDFlaSh> | i downloaded it |
| 08:08 | <KiDFlaSh> | now |
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| 08:09 | <craigevil> | KiDFlaSh: sudo dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16.deb |
| 08:09 | -!- | gd is now known as Guest1200 |
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| 08:10 | <simonrvn> | better yet ^^^ |
| 08:10 | <simonrvn> | !tell ferdo -about ask |
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| 08:10 | <And1> | superjet_busy: Hrm, I hope I'll find an example on google... :-o |
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| 08:11 | <KiDFlaSh> | i know how to install .deb craigevil |
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| 08:12 | <fxiny> | debian-multimedia key is 1F41B907 |
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| 08:14 | <KiDFlaSh> | thx for help |
| 08:14 | <KiDFlaSh> | it work |
| 08:14 | <superjet_busy> | adama: lots of them in the web, like http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 08:23 | <And1> | superjet_busy: What if I just modify my /etc/blkid.tab? Found it while greping for "md0"... |
| 08:25 | <superjet_busy> | And1: it's autogened so you'd better to div for you udev rule ;-) |
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| 08:27 | <And1> | superjet_busy: I see. =) |
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| 08:34 | <enouf> | And1: also note; /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and /etc/default/mdadm |
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| 08:35 | <KiDFlaSh> | some one is running gnome 2.24 on lenny? |
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| 08:38 | <hot> | hello everyone |
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| 08:39 | * | hotcat is a pink cat |
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| 08:41 | <fxiny> | hahaha : turk spammers ip's are still in mem :P |
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| 08:52 | <ferdo> | ferrytal |
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| 08:56 | <ferdo> | hello |
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| 08:57 | <ferdo> | help please |
| 08:57 | <And1> | enouf: Hrm, there's nothing relevant in /etc/default/mdadm, mh? |
| 08:57 | <abrotman> | ferdo: you have to ask a question |
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| 09:24 | <enouf> | And1: likely not, just noting it to avoid gotchas |
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| 09:37 | <kiwi> | hello |
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| 09:53 | <Xeross> | hey, somehow my rc.local doesn't get run, because i've put the apache and ftp start commands in there but they don't get started |
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| 09:53 | <Xeross> | when i reboot/start the server |
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| 09:57 | <faissal> | Is there any document that can help me to get involved into the devlopment of debian and give some help to debian? |
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| 10:02 | <MotoHoss> | http://wiki.debian.org/HelpDebian |
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| 10:09 | <compgeek3232> | hello, I've got a quick question. I just compiled my kernel and successfully installed the modules. I'm to the point of editing the menu.lst file, but need to create my initrd. mkinitrd doesn't seem to be installed, what package is this in? |
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| 10:09 | <azeem> | compgeek3232: packages.debian.org has a search feature for that |
| 10:10 | <compgeek3232> | "Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 10:10 | <compgeek3232> | " |
| 10:10 | <compgeek3232> | "Sorry, your search gave no results" |
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| 10:11 | <azeem> | compgeek3232: works for me |
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| 10:11 | <azeem> | compgeek3232: maybe you used the wrong search form on that page |
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| 10:12 | <cahoot> | isn't the name changed? initramfs? |
| 10:12 | <compgeek3232> | I found mkinitrd, but it's not available through apt. |
| 10:12 | <compgeek3232> | it was in initrd-tools |
| 10:13 | <azeem> | which that search is for to find out |
| 10:13 | <compgeek3232> | it was in initrd-tools, but apt doesn't have that... I'm looking for an alternate package. |
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| 10:14 | <compgeek3232> | any idea what package replaced initrd-tools? |
| 10:14 | <azeem> | why don't you search in what package that file is for your version of Debian? |
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| 10:15 | <compgeek3232> | AzaTht: are you trying to be unhelpfull today? I just did a search. It just told me it was in initrd-tools. I tried downloading that, and that package does not exist. |
| 10:15 | <cahoot> | initramfs-tools? |
| 10:15 | <azeem> | compgeek3232: then maybe you didn't search for your version of debian? |
| 10:15 | <AzaTht> | compgeek3232: uh? |
| 10:15 | <compgeek3232> | I found that... seems to be a different system. I'll have to play with it. |
| 10:15 | <compgeek3232> | AzaTht: sorry. wrong name completion. :) |
| 10:16 | <AzaTht> | heh |
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| 10:31 | <donny> | can anyone tell me about the Etch package oss-compat? it installs a shell command in /lib/oss-compat/linux and nothing else meaningful |
| 10:31 | <donny> | the shell command itself fails |
| 10:31 | <donny> | install: unrecognized option `--ignore-install' |
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| 10:46 | <aetheria> | no, it does some modification of which sound modules get loaded |
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| 10:47 | <aetheria> | it sets up a symlink in modprobe.d |
| 10:48 | <aetheria> | that syntax is probably used by whatever system uses modprobe.d |
| 10:48 | <donny> | oh i see |
| 10:48 | <aetheria> | udev or something i would guess |
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| 10:49 | <donny> | audio on linux has never been something i learned anything about unfortunately, it's all very mysterious to me (althoguh i suppose that's not really related to the confusion i came here to resolve) |
| 10:49 | <aetheria> | !tell donny about alsa checklist |
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| 10:52 | <aetheria> | try aplay -l to list devices |
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| 10:54 | <donny> | i'm sorry, my audio works fine (except that i don't run a mixer so only one application can play sound at a time) |
| 10:54 | <donny> | i'm just investigating a problem with some software that seems to use OSS for sound output |
| 10:55 | <donny> | it's throwing errno 16 (device/resource busy) |
| 10:55 | <donny> | but i'm not really sure what device node it might be trying to open |
| 10:55 | <donny> | it's not as if i can ask lsof files which have failed to be opened |
| 10:55 | <aetheria> | it sickens me that, in 2008, there are still apps using oss |
| 10:55 | <donny> | it's from 2006 ;) |
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| 10:55 | <aetheria> | alsa has been the standard for what, 8 years now? |
| 10:56 | <donny> | ah |
| 10:56 | <aetheria> | brb |
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| 10:57 | <aetheria> | donny: try lsof |grep snd (as root) |
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| 10:58 | <aetheria> | donny: you could try to use strace with it |
| 10:58 | <aetheria> | e.g. strace -s 128 -o /tmp/strace.out myapp |
| 10:59 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 381] by debhelper |
| 10:59 | <donny> | well fwiw, i've found several bugs in PyMedia already (on windows) and the author seems very disinterested in doing anything about them |
| 11:00 | <donny> | aetheria: mixer_app had /dev/snd/controlC0 open, but i don't think that should hurt |
| 11:00 | <donny> | i killed it anyway, no change in pymedia behavior |
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| 11:01 | <donny> | to be honest though, i'm evaluating PyMedia as an API to use in my software, so this seems like a vote to not use it |
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| 11:01 | <donny> | still i'd like to take this opportunity to learn a bit about linux audio |
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| 11:01 | <aetheria> | donny: look into aoss perhaps |
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| 11:02 | <donny> | airstation one-touch secure system? |
| 11:02 | <cahoot> | donny: oss apps use /dev/dsp |
| 11:02 | <donny> | ah no i found it |
| 11:03 | <donny> | cahoot: not lsof results for dsp |
| 11:03 | <cahoot> | as root fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* |
| 11:03 | <And1> | Heya... ls -alF /home says, home belongs to 1001:1001... why that and not root:root? |
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| 11:04 | <donny> | cahoot: also nothing. any reason lsof isn't good enough? (although i can see why fuser would be faster) |
| 11:04 | <cahoot> | no just habit |
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| 11:05 | <donny> | aetheria: naive invocation of aoss also caused no changes. i think i may just ditch PyMedia altogether. i've already written a lot of C code with ffmpeg's libs, i'll just have to continue using C for that part of my software i guess |
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| 11:07 | <saint> | Where can I get a list of the lastest debian repos? |
| 11:07 | <saint> | latest^ |
| 11:08 | <cahoot> | saint: latest in what respect? |
| 11:08 | <astronut> | !mirrors |
| 11:08 | <dpkg> | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 11:09 | <And1> | Can I just do "chown root:root home/"? |
| 11:10 | <fxiny> | home is root.staff |
| 11:11 | <cahoot> | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 7 nov 2007 /home |
| 11:11 | <saint> | Well, I mean current. |
| 11:11 | <cahoot> | current is etch |
| 11:12 | <cahoot> | http://www.debian.org/releases/ saint |
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| 11:12 | <fxiny> | bloody *dell* : i still have root.staff :P |
| 11:12 | <And1> | Thanks guys. =) |
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| 11:14 | <And1> | 'mount -a' tells me: "mount: special device proc does not exist", /srv/sid/proc that is, my chroot-proc-directory... it exists. |
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| 11:15 | <donny> | And1: what does mtab tell you? |
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| 11:16 | <And1> | Uh, command not found. :P |
| 11:16 | <And1> | You mean m<TAB>? =) |
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| 11:17 | <cahoot> | cat /etc/mtab |
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| 11:18 | <And1> | Mh, it does not list a second proc (for chroot)... |
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| 11:19 | <donny> | And1: i don't know much about chroot -- does it get its own $chrootpath/etc/mtab ? |
| 11:20 | <And1> | Mh, yeah, this file exists. There's proc, sysfs and smbnetfs in it. |
| 11:20 | <And1> | "proc /proc proc rw 0 0" |
| 11:20 | <donny> | hmm, but mount -a insists it doesn't exist when run within the chroot environment? |
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| 11:21 | <And1> | I run mount -a in my normal environment. |
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| 11:22 | <donny> | oh, that's what's giving you the error about no proc? |
| 11:22 | <And1> | Yup. Sorry I did not tell you. :P |
| 11:22 | <donny> | that's extremely weird |
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| 11:29 | <mihkel> | Hi, question about umask |
| 11:29 | <mihkel> | in debian default umask is 022 |
| 11:29 | <mihkel> | will anything break if I change it to 077 or 027? |
| 11:29 | <Nazcafan> | hello |
| 11:29 | <mihkel> | this machine is not a server |
| 11:30 | <Nazcafan> | how do I ask make-kpkg to use the two cores of my computer? |
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| 11:32 | <cahoot> | Nazcafan: man make-kpkg - see CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 11:32 | <Nazcafan> | cahoot, aah, thanks |
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| 11:33 | <Nazcafan> | what a joke |
| 11:33 | <Nazcafan> | it finished compiling just when I was about to set the option |
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| 11:39 | <enouf> | heh, even newer dpkg-buildpackage have a -j option ;-) |
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| 11:49 | <alprincenofl> | hi |
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| 11:50 | <alprincenofl> | any body there ? |
| 11:50 | <enouf> | what's up |
| 11:50 | <enouf> | no, nobody here |
| 11:50 | <alprincenofl> | what is this chat ? |
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| 11:50 | <alprincenofl> | lol |
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| 11:51 | <alprincenofl> | hi |
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| 11:53 | <saint> | Hormonal Disorders. |
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| 11:56 | <fxiny> | enouf: hey |
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| 11:58 | <wellaaa> | !list |
| 11:58 | <dpkg> | one warez list being sent to wellaaa |
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| 12:11 | <hollo_> | im looking for the ability to build many small networks on a existing ip range.. ex. 192.168.0.1/24 is my network.. i want to split it into a bunch of minor networks 192.168.0.4/30, which i would like to block on a port basis in a switch.. do anyone know if such hardware exists.. or will i have to use a router and a switch for that? pretty much what bigger ISP operators are doing |
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| 12:13 | <saavedra_> | hola |
| 12:14 | <abrotman> | hollo_: you might want to ask #networking on freenode |
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| 12:14 | <hollo_> | abrotman, thanks.. a was looking for a group called #network on different nets.. thanks |
| 12:16 | <pioruns> | hey guts do you know polish speaking irc channel about debian? |
| 12:16 | <abrotman> | !pl |
| 12:16 | <dpkg> | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 12:18 | <pioruns> | !pl |
| 12:18 | <dpkg> | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 12:19 | <hypnotic> | Hi, I am not a 3d gamer and I want to setup a dual videocard pc, I want to use it for vdpau and 2 or 3 monitors + a tv, I am thinking on to combinations, 2x 8600gt or 1x 9800gt and 1x 8600gt, any advise on this setup? |
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| 12:20 | <hypnotic> | i also use photoshop and gimp, dont know if it makes any difference |
| 12:20 | <pioruns> | thanks dpkg |
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| 12:21 | <hollo_> | hypnotic, hmm.. any suggestions? what are you thinking about? i have 2 dell monitors and a nvidia 6000 series card.. works really well with 2 monitors. |
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| 12:23 | <hypnotic> | hollo: well i read a ton of reviews, but they are all for windows and 3d, its hard to find benchmarks and specs on the issues i find important and thats hd video decoding, video acceleration on all monitors (7600gt only allows 1 monitor to have this) and some 3d for compiz and maybe casual gaming |
| 12:24 | <hollo_> | hypnotic, ohh.. well im not that much into the performence, i use openbox.. and thats all.. i can play xmoto on both monitors tho.. thats pretty much all that i know :/ |
| 12:24 | <hypnotic> | hollo: aha ok |
| 12:25 | <hollo_> | hypnotic, im sorry that i cannot help you with the hd thingie, i have never worked with films.. but i know that nvidia cards are very well supported in linux, and dual monitor is not a problem at all.. |
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| 12:25 | <saavedra> | hello everybod |
| 12:26 | <hollo_> | hypnotic, i dont think im that helpful.. but i just want to say that i have good experiences with nvidia |
| 12:26 | <enouf> | hypnotic: this is not exactly what you're asking about, and if you mean 2x or 3x Video cards in one Box/PC .. then take a gander at this anyway; http://linuxtoys.org/multiseat/multiseat.html |
| 12:26 | <enouf> | er .. did i mean hollo_ ? |
| 12:26 | <hypnotic> | hollo: dual monitor works pretty good with my 7600gt, tv recognition is lame (tv has to be off when drivers initialize) and its annoying that you cannot have 2 monitors and a tv on 1 gpu |
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| 12:28 | <hypnotic> | enouf: hi enouf, nice to see you again, its hypnotic but my name was already in use |
| 12:29 | <hypnotic> | enouf: nice link, i dont want different desktops for multiple users but its nice for getting an idea how the hardware works |
| 12:29 | <enouf> | have you gandered at xinerama? how about http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/os-mltihed/index.html ? though the latter concerns using 1 pc per card ... maybe some ideas, or maybe the project is dead - you should be asking about in radeon, nvidia, xorg related channels |
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| 12:29 | <clinX> | #ubuntu.es |
| 12:29 | <hypnotic> | enouf: xinerama? I use twinview at the moment |
| 12:29 | <enouf> | hypnotic: nice to see you too ;-) |
| 12:29 | <enouf> | hypnotic: ahh .. binary blobs .. ok |
| 12:29 | <clinX> | #ubuntu es |
| 12:29 | <hypnotic> | enouf: i just want 1 big desktop |
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| 12:30 | <hypnotic> | enouf: o i see my name is correct in this chatroom, other room i had a generic name |
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| 12:30 | <enouf> | hypnotic: heh |
| 12:31 | <fxiny> | hypnotic: like this one ? http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg |
| 12:31 | <hypnotic> | enouf: i am finally getting a new pc after those ram troubles and now i am little stuck at deciding on a videocard solution |
| 12:31 | <hypnotic> | enouf: yes |
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| 12:32 | <enouf> | i see |
| 12:32 | <enouf> | i think you meant to say yes to fxiny, hypnotic ;-) |
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| 12:33 | <hypnotic> | enouf: with 2 vcards i can connect my 2 lcds and my tv and have them all working at the same time, i read a lot on the geforce 9 series but i think i am not gonna use all of that speed an stuff (execfpt for vdpau, i am really curious about that) |
| 12:33 | <enouf> | hypnotic: all i know is lot's of new things are able to be done using xrandr in lenny and up |
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| 12:33 | <hypnotic> | fxiny: hi fxiny, yes thats what i mean :p |
| 12:33 | * | enouf has no idea what "vdpau" is |
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| 12:34 | <hypnotic> | enouf: purevideo for linux |
| 12:34 | <enouf> | v4l2? |
| 12:34 | <fxiny> | hypnotic: ask xmonad ppl then |
| 12:34 | <enouf> | !v4l |
| 12:34 | <dpkg> | hmm... v4l is video for linux. http://www.exploits.org/v4l |
| 12:35 | <hypnotic> | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_vdpau&num=1 |
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| 12:35 | <hypnotic> | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_180_vdpau&num=1 |
| 12:35 | <enouf> | !v4l2 |
| 12:35 | <dpkg> | hmm... v4l2 is http://www.thedirks.org/v4l2/ |
| 12:35 | <enouf> | !dual monitors |
| 12:35 | <dpkg> | For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr> |
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| 12:36 | <enouf> | for nvidia specific things, try #nvidia on freenode.net |
| 12:36 | <hypnotic> | enouf: i think its easier to use twinview from nvidia |
| 12:36 | <enouf> | also, maybe #v4l ? or similar? |
| 12:37 | <hypnotic> | nvidia does support the present xrandr but not the 1.2 |
| 12:37 | <hypnotic> | enouf: no its not v4l |
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| 12:37 | <enouf> | well .. i thought you were talking about 3 monitors with 2 video cards ... and wasn't sure until now about binary blobs .,, |
| 12:37 | <hypnotic> | binary blobs? |
| 12:38 | <enouf> | !blob |
| 12:38 | <dpkg> | blob is, like, a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
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| 12:39 | <hypnotic> | enouf: is this bug still in the nvidia drivers? |
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| 12:42 | <enouf> | hypnotic: i think not .. |
| 12:43 | <enouf> | hypnotic: i think it's been resolved, but shows how these things cannot be found and fixed by the community - hence the evilness of using binary blobs |
| 12:43 | <fxiny> | nvidia releasing lots of drivers |
| 12:44 | <hypnotic> | enouf: i know i know, and i hope my next card will be an ati with open source drivers, but its not an option at the moment |
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| 12:45 | <hypnotic> | enouf: i am going closed source for now |
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| 12:45 | <enouf> | hypnotic: you;d be in for a real headache if you bought an ati right now without researching thoroughly how far which drivers are along with using which cards and which Xorg versions, etc |
| 12:46 | <hypnotic> | enouf: i did and thats why i going for nvidia at the moment ;) |
| 12:46 | <enouf> | for ex; /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd |
| 12:46 | <hypnotic> | enouf: but ati is very promising |
| 12:46 | <enouf> | yes |
| 12:46 | <hypnotic> | enouf: so maybe next chrismas i will have an ati ;) |
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| 12:47 | <enouf> | and i support their open sourcing of the code ... but it still takes tons of work and time, and i think i recall them still keeping fglrx for new things, experimental, IOW, fglrx will always be atleast one step ahead or something |
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| 12:49 | <hypnotic> | enouf: i am curious on how 8600gt and 9800gt work under debian, someone told me that from gefroce 8 all monitors have video acceleration, i like that, some say geforce 9 has a new purevideo compared to the 8 serie but wiki says the both have 2nd generation and i dont even know if it makes a difference (1st, 2nd and 3rd generation purevideo) on linux |
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| 12:50 | <hypnotic> | enouf: that documentation is hard to find |
| 12:50 | <enouf> | hypnotic: no idea - try #nvidia and ##linux on freenode |
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| 12:51 | <hypnotic> | i did no response |
| 12:51 | <enouf> | hypnotic: i was hoping for openchrome to hit like bricks .. but .. well |
| 12:51 | <hypnotic> | enouf: openchrome is? |
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| 12:52 | <enouf> | !openchrome |
| 12:52 | <dpkg> | OpenChrome is a project for the development of free and open-source drivers for the VIA UniChrome video chipsets. Please see http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome for a more detailed explanation. Only for Lenny and above, so far |
| 12:52 | <hypnotic> | enouf: oooo thats the open source vcard right? |
| 12:52 | <enouf> | XvMC got removed, but there was supposed to be a complete rewrite of those X functions anyway? ... |
| 12:53 | <enouf> | yeah .. something like that |
| 12:53 | <hypnotic> | enouf: and did you read the article on the development of an alternative on xorg? |
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| 12:54 | <enouf> | hypnotic: nope |
| 12:54 | <hypnotic> | enouf: replace xorg, ditch alsa for oss4 and a ati with fully functional os drivers and we are there |
| 12:54 | <hypnotic> | enouf: what does OS X use? |
| 12:54 | <enouf> | hypnotic: but the xorg folk have figured out it's best to deal directly with the kern devs and get their code into it |
| 12:55 | <enouf> | ask apple |
| 12:55 | <hypnotic> | ;) |
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| 13:00 | <octoserver> | is there a program that can tell me what filesystem is on a partition? |
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| 13:03 | <abrotman> | fdisk |
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| 13:04 | <sth> | hi, i've been trying here to connect my box to a wireless lan. Manufacturer: Actiontec. Driver: linux-wlan Bus: usb |
| 13:04 | <sth> | modprobe loads the prism2_usb module without problems |
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| 13:04 | <cahoot> | sth: I'd try google on its usbID |
| 13:05 | <sth> | but when i run #'wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable' |
| 13:05 | <EmleyMoor> | Have any of you got early access to Sun JRE 6u12? |
| 13:05 | <sth> | i only get 'wlanctl-ng: No such device' |
| 13:06 | <sth> | i already google'd it but nothing useful came out |
| 13:06 | <cahoot> | wlan0 nonexistent? ip link would tell |
| 13:06 | <sth> | ifconfig only shows loopback and eth0 |
| 13:07 | <sth> | so, i never get wlan0 |
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| 13:07 | <cahoot> | sth: unload and reload the module and check dmesg |
| 13:07 | <sth> | ok, i'll try. Thanks! |
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| 13:10 | <sth> | i'm back ... same thing |
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| 13:10 | <cahoot> | sth: already read this? need a firmware upgrade? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/prism2_usb |
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| 13:10 | <sth> | ok, let me see. Thanks again! |
| 13:10 | <cahoot> | sth: is your device listed under supported? |
| 13:11 | <sth> | yeah |
| 13:11 | <sth> | it's not very common as i see, but it's listed as supported |
| 13:12 | <cahoot> | sth: no complaints about firmware in dmesg? |
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| 13:12 | <sth> | not at all |
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| 13:13 | <sth> | it's kind of ironic, but even lsusb shows it |
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| 13:13 | <hahnp> | hi guys whats aup |
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| 13:16 | <sth> | dmesg shows the usb port in which the wireless card is connected to, and the device number |
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| 13:17 | <Alexplay> | what's the path for my cursor icon? just the image |
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| 13:20 | <cahoot> | Alexplay: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme ? |
| 13:20 | <Alexplay> | cahoot, i want the image of it |
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| 13:23 | <fgh> | im searching for a small, simple and secure ftp-server. any ideas? |
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| 13:24 | <hahnp> | ftpd |
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| 13:25 | <hahnp> | ftpd-ssl |
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| 13:25 | <fxiny> | vsftpd |
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| 13:26 | <saavedra> | hello |
| 13:26 | <hahnp> | hellooo :) |
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| 13:27 | <saavedra> | how are you |
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| 13:32 | <Tuplad> | How do I put a program that has to be executed through console in autostart ? |
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| 13:33 | <path> | autostart from your X session? |
| 13:33 | <EmleyMoor> | Why has it to be eqecuted through console? |
| 13:33 | <EmleyMoor> | executed |
| 13:33 | <Tuplad> | It's conky |
| 13:33 | <Tuplad> | and if it starts, I want to daemonize it |
| 13:34 | <Tuplad> | conky -d it is |
| 13:34 | <Tuplad> | I am using Gnome |
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| 13:34 | <Tuplad> | and I would like to get these 2 executed: hddtemp -d /dev/sda as root and conky -d as user |
| 13:34 | <mejorado> | hello |
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| 13:36 | <Tuplad> | Anyone ? ^^ |
| 13:37 | <EmleyMoor> | I don't know conky... why does it need console? |
| 13:37 | <Tuplad> | EmleyMoor: dont know :\ |
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| 13:40 | <saavedra_> | ey |
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| 13:43 | <deniz> | how do you change the time in gnome? right clicking on the time doesnt have an adjust time feature |
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| 13:44 | <EmleyMoor> | deniz: What is the nature of the change you wish to make? |
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| 13:45 | <hahnp> | man date |
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| 13:45 | <EmleyMoor> | System > Administration > Time and Date ? |
| 13:45 | <deniz> | EmleyMoor, theprogram anki wants me to change the time cuz it said its wrong by 310 seconds and id like to have the exact time anyway but never bothered because it wasnt that important |
| 13:45 | <deniz> | EmleyMoor, ill check that |
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| 13:46 | <deniz> | EmleyMoor, Desktop-->Administration (im using etch) has no such feature |
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| 13:49 | <TheKnight> | hi guys, i've two lenny machines with the same video chipset (intel 945GM). on desktop all works fine, in particular scientific software like qtiplot (i need it to work). on laptop qtiplot is really slow, in particular managing graphs and more the graphs more the slowness |
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| 13:49 | <TheKnight> | i really can't understand where's the trick |
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| 13:52 | <hahnp> | is it the exactly same system? |
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| 13:52 | <hahnp> | same ram? |
| 13:52 | <hahnp> | same cpu |
| 13:52 | <hahnp> | same i dont know |
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| 13:52 | <azeem> | TheKnight: run "glxinfo |grep direct" on both |
| 13:54 | <deniz> | lol nobody here knows how to change the time in etch (gnome)? |
| 13:54 | <colorado> | deniz: How about System > Administration > Time and date |
| 13:54 | <TheKnight> | hahnp, someone suggested me that it doesn't matter...however they're different but not one older than the other...the desktop is an intel pentium core duo, 2 GBram...the laptop is a new asus eee1000H with intel atom and 1GBram |
| 13:54 | <TheKnight> | azeem, i can do it only on my laptop 'cause the desktop is at work.. |
| 13:54 | <deniz> | colorado, it doesnt have that in my menu |
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| 13:54 | <azeem> | TheKnight: then it's pretty difficult to help you |
| 13:55 | <colorado> | what window manager? xfce, gnome? |
| 13:55 | <TheKnight> | azeem, glxinfo |grep direct returns direct rendering: Yes |
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| 13:55 | <deniz> | colorado, is it possible i removed something and need to apt-get it back to change time? |
| 13:56 | <abrotman> | !set the time |
| 13:56 | <dpkg> | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 13:56 | <deniz> | colorado, because when I use to use aptitude, it removed a lot of things by force |
| 13:56 | <TheKnight> | azeem, isn't it sufficient? |
| 13:56 | <azeem> | that's fine at least |
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| 13:57 | <colorado> | try dpkg idea tzconfig. |
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| 13:57 | <TheKnight> | azeem, so any suggestion? |
| 13:58 | <azeem> | no |
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| 13:58 | <TheKnight> | azeem, ok thank you |
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| 14:00 | <abrotman> | TheKnight: that's a pretty big difference in hardware |
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| 14:01 | <TheKnight> | abrotman, qtiplot runned also on my old thinkpad T42, with an ATI RADEON 32MB and 512MBram...but all worked fine.. :( |
| 14:01 | <TheKnight> | do you think it's somehow physiological? |
| 14:01 | <abrotman> | any different if you run it from the console ? |
| 14:02 | <TheKnight> | abrotman, i dunno...i've never tried...just wait few seconds, i'll try |
| 14:03 | <TheKnight> | abrotman, no difference |
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| 14:06 | <Tuplad> | I would like to get these 2 executed at startup: hddtemp -d /dev/sda as root and conky -d as user. How can I accomplish that ? I am using debian, gnome. |
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| 14:07 | <hahnp> | write a script and use the runlevel |
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| 14:11 | <deniz> | someone please help because i still cant change the time in gnome etch |
| 14:11 | <hahnp> | xD |
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| 14:12 | <hahnp> | whats the problem? |
| 14:12 | <hahnp> | go to the console |
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| 14:13 | <hahnp> | type |
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| 14:14 | <abrotman> | deniz: did you checke the time in a terminal ? |
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| 14:14 | <deniz> | abrotman, i have no idea how to change time using terminal |
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| 14:15 | <abrotman> | just check the time |
| 14:15 | <deniz> | abrotman, im lost |
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| 14:16 | <abrotman> | type 'date' in the terminal |
| 14:16 | <hahnp> | deniz, http://www.cpqlinux.com/date.html |
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| 14:17 | <GNR> | Anyone knows why the Synaptic Repository options window works/looks different in debian testing i386 and amd64? |
| 14:18 | <deniz> | hahnp, thx |
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| 14:29 | <janvdl> | evening :) |
| 14:30 | <janvdl> | anyone an expert with the xserver configuration? |
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| 14:32 | <abrotman> | janvdl: just ask |
| 14:33 | <janvdl> | i have debian 4.0 etch |
| 14:33 | <janvdl> | but i just cant set my resolution to 1440x900 |
| 14:33 | <abrotman> | which video card and which driver? |
| 14:33 | <janvdl> | ati hd3450. |
| 14:33 | <janvdl> | the ati driver just messes everything up. |
| 14:33 | <janvdl> | i downloaded it from ati.com yesterday |
| 14:33 | <janvdl> | but its useless |
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| 14:34 | <janvdl> | i've tried googling |
| 14:34 | <janvdl> | someone said its a prob when you use vesa. and you should use radeon. but radeon isnt in my xserver config list. |
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| 14:55 | <hahnp> | janvdl, have you installed the xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 14:55 | <hahnp> | then you should be able to use it in your xorg.conf |
| 14:57 | <GNR> | i dont think that the radeon driver supports hd3450 |
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| 14:58 | <dvs> | I just installed an HD 3650 (AGP) and it works with X.org |
| 14:58 | <GNR> | with the radeon driver? |
| 14:58 | <GNR> | or vesa |
| 14:59 | <dvs> | GNR: fglrx driver |
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| 14:59 | <janvdl> | how would i go about installing the radeon one? |
| 15:00 | <hahnp> | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 15:00 | <janvdl> | the package could not be found :( |
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| 15:01 | <GNR> | if you have HD3xxx or HD4xxx card you can either use fglrx (from ATI site, needs kernel headers) or install from the xorg radeonhd driver 1.2.3 from xorg site and also build from sources (need xorg dev packages). You have no other option afaik |
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| 15:01 | <janvdl> | the ati driver only messes things up more |
| 15:01 | <GNR> | I have a 4850 fglrx works for me |
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| 15:02 | <GNR> | it is also the only driver to have tear-free video playback |
| 15:02 | <hahnp> | which repository do you use? |
| 15:03 | <GNR> | latest ATi Driver need to be installed manually, pm me if you want how to |
| 15:03 | <janvdl> | okay, in the synap pack mgr i see the following: fglrx -control -driver -driver-dev -kernel-src |
| 15:03 | <janvdl> | should i select fglrx-driver? |
| 15:03 | <hahnp> | maybe you can use the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
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| 15:04 | <GNR> | no dont install any of those, you must install driver the latest one from ATI site |
| 15:04 | <janvdl> | i downloaded it yesterday and it messed things up more. |
| 15:04 | <GNR> | what was your problem |
| 15:05 | <janvdl> | well the screen looked like it was squashed to a broad strip at the top of the screen, while 90% of the screen was black |
| 15:05 | <GNR> | then try the radeonhd driver |
| 15:06 | <janvdl> | Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 15:06 | <GNR> | you use debian etch? |
| 15:06 | <janvdl> | yes debian 4.0 etch |
| 15:06 | <GNR> | You need build from sources |
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| 15:06 | <janvdl> | erm, how do i do that? im a noob, sorry |
| 15:06 | <GNR> | pm me |
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| 15:07 | <abrotman> | you can do it in the channel |
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| 15:13 | <donny> | hi all. frequently i have multiple versions of multiple libraries built and installed in places like /usr/local/lib and /opt/local/lib, this is in addition to the /usr/lib populated by pacakges installed via apt. but this makes linking with flags like -L and -l a pain in the ass. any non-obvious advice? |
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| 15:16 | <debacle> | hi all, is there a raid5 expert here please ? I've setted up a SATA raid 5 software using mdadm. Now top command show a process "md1_raid5" using about 20% of CPU even if i'm not writing/reading from md1. Is this normal ? |
| 15:17 | <herby> | having problems with LILO on a Toshiba Laptop Satellite A200 (Debian Lenny installed) - anyone can help ? |
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| 15:18 | <debacle> | donny: you can use links. But I think this isn't a 'best pratice' |
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| 15:20 | <donny> | debacle: i was thinking a good solution might be to specify any libs which might have potential conflicts using full path names, and just omit the -L -l flags |
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| 15:20 | <donny> | debacle: but any project build with autotools wants to use -L and -l and it's a lot of leg work to convince it otherwise |
| 15:21 | <herby> | LILO (Toshiba A200) problem: LILO loads the kernel-image very slowly - can I change this behavour ? |
| 15:21 | <polywaffle> | hi, I am having issues with a dvdrw disk that I decided to erase by using the command dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda, now I cannot erase the disk properly |
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| 15:22 | <barnes> | herby why are you useing lilo? |
| 15:23 | <herby> | hello barnes: using LILO because of having it installed on MY Debian machine (old one !) since more than 4 years |
| 15:23 | <debacle> | donny: you can make a dir and ln (link) all libs you need in it ... and then pass that dir to your configure script... as said it's not a best pratice ... but can help |
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| 15:24 | <herby> | to polywaffle: why do you want erase a DVD with <dd> command ? Isn't it better to use k3b or similar |
| 15:24 | <polywaffle> | i was experimenting herby |
| 15:24 | <barnes> | herby tried installed grub instead? |
| 15:24 | <polywaffle> | now I am afraid I might have done something nasty to the disk |
| 15:25 | <herby> | to polywaffle: don't know exactly dd-using, but /dev/hda is not the DVD-device I think (it is the 1st HardDrive) |
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| 15:25 | <donny> | ls /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib64/libvorbisenc.a |
| 15:25 | <donny> | i thought that command would iron out the ../ parts (reconcile them with specified parts of the path) |
| 15:25 | <donny> | but it didn't |
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| 15:25 | <donny> | what command does? |
| 15:25 | <polywaffle> | im using lenny, an it has been mounting disks on /dev/hda for some reason |
| 15:25 | <polywaffle> | at the moment it wants to use /dev/dvd I think |
| 15:25 | <donny> | i don't want to have to write a script to do it myself :P |
| 15:25 | <herby> | barnes: It is the Laptop of my sun, I invested hours of setting up correctly - seems to be a problem of SCSI-Disk with LILO ? |
| 15:28 | <donny> | anyhow, has anyone tried usnig the x86_64 libs in Etch for libogg and libvorbis? trying to link against them insists: |
| 15:28 | <donny> | relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 15:29 | <jackyf> | donny: has you passed '-fPIC' to your program? |
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| 15:30 | <donny> | jackyf: i thought that was telling me to rebuild the _lib_ with -fPIC, but i just tried it your way, and the same error results |
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| 15:31 | <jackyf> | donny: the libs must be built with -fPIC already |
| 15:31 | <jackyf> | donny: pastebin full build log |
| 15:31 | <herby> | to polywaffle: I fear, you have overwritten your HDD-Drive with random-numbers ! |
| 15:31 | <polywaffle> | nah, I am more careful than that herby |
| 15:32 | <polywaffle> | im just writing an image to that dvd in k3b now |
| 15:32 | <debacle> | donny: just a sec ... have you tryed apt ? i remember there was away to auto resolve dependencies ... i thnik its apt-rdepends or apt-dep or something ... |
| 15:32 | <polywaffle> | but im a bit dissatisfied, because I wanted to fix it via the cli |
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| 15:34 | <herby> | nobody else here for my LILO-problem - :) |
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| 15:36 | <donny> | jackyf: sorry i no longer have access to the information. i just linked the program to other builds of the libs and it worked. i was just doing it for a friend. but if somebody here with a x86_64 cpu wants to try to build ffmpeg from svn too, be my guest :) |
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| 15:37 | <donny> | oh, maybe i'll have access again in a minute, he needs to rebuild ffmpeg for some reason |
| 15:37 | <jackyf> | donny: Debian experimental have quite recent libav* libs, so :) |
| 15:37 | <donny> | jackyf: he's using Etch! |
| 15:38 | <donny> | jackyf: but it's possibile his libav* stuff came from another repo that i'm unfamiliar with |
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| 15:38 | <donny> | it was like... debian-multimedia.org or something |
| 15:38 | <donny> | was added to his sources.list |
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| 15:38 | <jackyf> | donny: hm... stable distribution and ffmpeg from svn :) |
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| 15:40 | <polywaffle> | why do people use LILO? |
| 15:41 | <herby> | why not - if it runs best for me I have no reason to change :) |
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| 15:42 | <donny> | jackyf: hey, i have ffmpeg from svn too, ffmpeg's docs recommend using svn since they rarely put together a release |
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| 15:43 | <jackyf> | and Debian docs just recommend to look to at least official repos bebore building something from source :) |
| 15:43 | <jackyf> | hm |
| 15:44 | <jackyf> | maybe... not quite docs |
| 15:44 | <jackyf> | but it makes sense |
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| 16:09 | <Joey_> | why when i use tzconfig i get a time that is totally wrong? |
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| 16:12 | <adb> | Joey_: BIOS time is correct ? |
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| 16:12 | <Joey_> | it's a virtual private server |
| 16:12 | <Joey_> | i hope the bios time is correct lol. |
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| 16:13 | <dsfdsf> | http://s1.battleknight.us/index.php?loc=hire&ref=NDQyOTcx please do me a favor and click the link it gets me money in a game xD |
| 16:14 | <barnes> | dsfdsf go to hell moron |
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| 16:18 | <luke1704> | Hi everybody! I am wondering if a good tiling tool for Debian KDE desktop exists. I have found a very useful tool for Windows XP (www.winsplit-revolution.com)...) |
| 16:18 | <luke1704> | I would like to have something similar using Linux |
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| 16:19 | <polywaffle> | very hot in Perth, Australia right now. |
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| 16:19 | <luke1704> | :) |
| 16:20 | <luke1704> | very cold in Heidelberg, Germany right now :( |
| 16:20 | <feddsagg> | Heidleberg rox! :) im outta rostock but i like heidelberg :D |
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| 16:21 | <luke1704> | ;), I don't know what to say. Unfortunately, I have never been to the north (e.g. Rostock) |
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| 16:21 | <feddsagg> | well i love it right here =) |
| 16:22 | <luke1704> | But I think Rostock rocks as well |
| 16:22 | <feddsagg> | :D |
| 16:22 | <hahnp> | edigheim! |
| 16:22 | <feddsagg> | but i think theres a lot of good old skool music comming outta heidelberg too =) |
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| 16:22 | <luke1704> | That's true |
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| 16:23 | <feddsagg> | i really like those ol rapmusic n all other old music |
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| 16:24 | <feddsagg> | i think the music u hear nowadays is just fake-a** image music ... |
| 16:24 | <luke1704> | A lot of new-commer band started their carrier in Heidelberg when they got discovered in one of the countless student clubs |
| 16:24 | <feddsagg> | yeah if u wanna start your carreer just go to heidelberg |
| 16:25 | <luke1704> | :-) |
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| 16:25 | <luke1704> | Seems nobody can help me out with my tiling problem. |
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| 16:26 | <hahnp> | you also can organize your windows on your own :D |
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| 16:26 | <luke1704> | yes, but this is stupid task I would like to overcome |
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| 16:27 | <luke1704> | A short cut to arrange e.g. two windows 2x1 would be such a helpful thing |
| 16:28 | <hahnp> | i would say awesome - dynamic floating and tiling window manager is something for you |
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| 16:28 | <luke1704> | ah |
| 16:28 | <luke1704> | the package name is "awesome"? |
| 16:28 | <hahnp> | yes |
| 16:28 | <hahnp> | but i never tried |
| 16:29 | <hahnp> | now you made me curious i will try also :D |
| 16:30 | <luke1704> | I have never heard about it, I'll have a look at it |
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| 16:32 | <luke1704> | oh yes, this seems exactly to be what I am looking for |
| 16:32 | <luke1704> | Thank you! |
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| 16:33 | <haxi> | any idea of when amarok2 will be avaible on lenny? |
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| 16:35 | <adb> | haxi: never ? |
| 16:35 | <luke1704> | unfortunately not! Do you have any idea when lenny will be stable? |
| 16:35 | <haxi> | adb: why not? |
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| 16:36 | <adb> | lenny is freeze |
| 16:36 | <haxi> | ?! |
| 16:36 | <adb> | so no any new packages come in |
| 16:37 | <luke1704> | so they don't include new packages, but are still struggling to fix bugs |
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| 16:37 | <haxi> | well I should update to unstable ? Oo |
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| 16:39 | <adb> | try backports , if amarok2 is available |
| 16:39 | <luke1704> | An early announcement was that the stable release will be available in autumn 2008 |
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| 16:39 | <haxi> | mh |
| 16:40 | <haxi> | http://rafb.net/p/YKXEN661.html |
| 16:40 | <haxi> | long time I ain't edited my sources.list mh. |
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| 16:43 | <sarrafo> | I am trying to config a webcam in a note acer 7520, in ekiga the image is not in camorama |
| 16:43 | <sarrafo> | using lenny |
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| 16:46 | <emgy> | saludos |
| 16:46 | <emgy> | :-) |
| 16:46 | <aetheria> | you have to find out what driver supports it. it could be linux-uvc project or gspca. |
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| 16:47 | <luke1704> | I am leaving, bye! |
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| 16:47 | <aetheria> | then you can build the module with module-assistant |
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| 16:48 | <sarrafo> | emgy, in ekiga work |
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| 16:50 | <aetheria> | maybe create a symlink to the video device that camorama wants |
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| 16:50 | <aetheria> | i think it may want /dev/video0 |
| 16:51 | <aetheria> | launch it from a command prompt to see error output |
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| 16:52 | <aetheria> | some apps want /dev/video, others /dev/video0 |
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| 16:54 | <sarrafo> | yes i use te m-a |
| 16:54 | <sarrafo> | the |
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| 16:54 | <sarrafo> | you say camorama /dev/video0 |
| 16:54 | <sarrafo> | not work |
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| 16:58 | <sarrafo> | could not connect to video device (/dev/video0) please check connect |
| 16:58 | <sarrafo> | I do not understand why it works in ekiga |
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| 16:59 | <aetheria> | add yourself to video group, log out and back in |
| 17:00 | <sarrafo> | who? |
| 17:01 | <sarrafo> | exemple please |
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| 17:05 | <sarrafo> | in ekiga, say the device 0 open success |
| 17:06 | <sarrafo> | sorry i say channel no device |
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| 17:11 | <rootkit_t> | anyone know howto enable ssl in squid? |
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| 17:15 | <rootkit_t> | anyone know where is the OpenSSL headers or howto get it? |
| 17:16 | <aetheria> | libssl-dev |
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| 17:17 | <rootkit_t> | thx a lot |
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| 17:21 | <aetheria> | sardyno: |
| 17:21 | <aetheria> | oops |
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| 17:29 | <KiDFlaSh> | why debian supports old cputypes like ? 1386? |
| 17:29 | <KiDFlaSh> | they are tooo old |
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| 17:31 | <stew> | KiDFlaSh: debian doesn't support 386 |
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| 17:33 | <tark> | hi everyone does anyone know how to get Intel WiFi 5100AGN working in debian lenny ? |
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| 17:39 | <amphi> | tark: you may have to build the compat-wireless module |
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| 17:40 | <tark> | amphi how should i do that ? |
| 17:40 | <amphi> | !compat-wireless |
| 17:40 | <dpkg> | well, wireless tree is the latest experimental wireless drivers are in the wireless-2.6 GIT tree. See http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download for more information on how to use it. Note that a kernel version >= 2.6.22 is required, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <bpo> to acquire 2.6.24 or 2.6.26 (respectively) for Etch systems. |
| 17:40 | <tark> | thx |
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| 17:42 | <mib_eddqb0> | hello |
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| 17:43 | <tark> | amphi unfortunately they don't seem to support iwl5000 as for now |
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| 17:49 | <amphi> | tark: no? isn't that supported by iwlagn ? |
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| 17:59 | <KiDFlaSh> | stew: where can i find the build-settings |
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| 18:00 | <KiDFlaSh> | i wanna know, if debian use the new cpu-architecture |
| 18:00 | <KiDFlaSh> | like 1686 |
| 18:00 | <KiDFlaSh> | i686 |
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| 18:04 | <polywaffle> | you know sometimes I wonder why libdvdcss ver 1.2.10-0.2 is broken |
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| 18:05 | <D1ablo> | kidflash> what do you mean? |
| 18:05 | <D1ablo> | Try `uname --help' for more information. |
| 18:05 | <D1ablo> | Linux HP-LH3 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 13 16:13:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:06 | <D1ablo> | is i686 |
| 18:06 | <polywaffle> | does anyone here use libdvdcss? |
| 18:07 | <graytron> | polywaffle: if it's legal, yes, otherwise no |
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| 18:07 | <polywaffle> | well does anyone know why the version I have indicated above is broken? |
| 18:07 | <KiDFlaSh> | D1ablo, its only the kernel |
| 18:08 | <KiDFlaSh> | not the packages |
| 18:08 | <Garda> | polywaffle: is that libdvdcss version 1? |
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| 18:08 | <polywaffle> | it is the newest one from debian-multimedia |
| 18:09 | <polywaffle> | for lenny |
| 18:09 | <polywaffle> | it just simply doesn't work |
| 18:09 | <graytron> | polywaffle: no idea, sorry |
| 18:09 | <polywaffle> | and I am wondering why they package it, if it doesn't work |
| 18:09 | <polywaffle> | no worries, what about Garda? |
| 18:10 | <polywaffle> | so instead I have to find install-css.sh from the web |
| 18:10 | <polywaffle> | and run that script |
| 18:10 | <polywaffle> | which uses an older version, that works |
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| 18:11 | <Garda> | polywaffle: no |
| 18:11 | <Garda> | the version of dvdcss that you have is fine |
| 18:12 | <Garda> | it's probably something else that's not working properly |
| 18:12 | <polywaffle> | but when I install the other, it works fine |
| 18:12 | <polywaffle> | so I really don't understand |
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| 18:12 | <tark> | amphi it seems compat-wireless-old which is required in lenny isn't available anymore |
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| 18:12 | <KiDFlaSh> | debian does compile theyre packages for i368 |
| 18:12 | <tark> | any idea where i could find it ? |
| 18:13 | <KiDFlaSh> | only the kernel is, compiled for i686 |
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| 18:14 | <amphi> | tark: eh? you mean it won't build against the kernel in lenny? |
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| 18:15 | <tark> | amphi i mean the tarball isn't available anymore |
| 18:17 | <amphi> | tark: http://wireless.kernel.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2 is no good? |
| 18:17 | <tark> | says my kernel is too old (2.6.26) |
| 18:18 | <amphi> | ah |
| 18:19 | <tark> | if only i could get a hand on compat-wireless-2.6-old.tar.bz2 my problems would be solved i guess |
| 18:19 | <amphi> | you could try one of these, http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6/2008/ |
| 18:19 | <amphi> | or build a more recent kernel |
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| 18:19 | <tark> | amphi thx i'll try that |
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| 18:28 | <tark> | amphi any idea when kernel 2.6.27 first appeared ? |
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| 18:32 | <amphi> | tark: you could find out at kernel.org |
| 18:33 | <tark> | didn't find clearly but august 2008 compat-wireless seems to be ok |
| 18:35 | <Garda> | !no public key |
| 18:35 | <dpkg> | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/. |
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| 18:47 | <juliano> | oi |
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| 18:52 | <stew> | KiDFlaSh: you can get the source of a package by running "apt-get source packagename" the compilation settings would typiclaly be in the 'debian/rules' file |
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| 19:05 | <raymond> | howdy |
| 19:05 | <raymond> | all |
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| 19:08 | <D1ablo> | kidfish> the heart and sole of any os is the kernel, if the kernel does it so does the os |
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| 19:08 | <D1ablo> | sorry just got bak had to take my son to school |
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| 19:14 | <gravity> | s/sole/soul/ |
| 19:17 | <D1ablo> | gravity> sol/sole/soul/saul language is a mind trick :-) |
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| 20:02 | <twb> | Sigh. I ran out of disk space when upgrading Emacs. Now when I try to "aptitude reinstall ~i~nemacs", I get |
| 20:02 | <twb> | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the emacs package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 20:02 | <twb> | How do I "fix" a package if not by reinstalling it? |
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| 20:18 | <bighornram> | hi I would like to troubleshoot gtkpod-aac // how can I watch what is happening when the program is open? When I highlight my iPod, it takes a very long time to read the contents of the iPod. |
| 20:19 | <Supaplex> | strace |
| 20:19 | <abrotman> | and/or ltrace |
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| 20:25 | <Karzy> | So i'm having this problem with postfix where I can't receive mail from outside houses but I caan from localhost. Recipient address rejected: Access denied; Is what I keep getting.... |
| 20:26 | <Karzy> | anyone had this issue or know the best place to look to resolve it? |
| 20:28 | <Supaplex> | the full error message, even if you have to replace domains with "example.com" and user1 user2 etc. What version of postfix? What release of debian? |
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| 20:30 | <Supaplex> | and /msg dpkg paste if you're unaware of that too. |
| 20:30 | <nicholas> | hi can someone tell me what this is |
| 20:30 | <Supaplex> | this is IRC. |
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| 20:30 | <Supaplex> | it's like the twilight zone, but without us controlling the audio. ;) |
| 20:31 | <nicholas> | is it like pigeon? |
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| 20:33 | <Supaplex> | !IRC |
| 20:33 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
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| 20:34 | <Supaplex> | IRC predates pigeon, but it may be able to connect here. |
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| 20:36 | <abrotman> | yes, pidgin can do IRC |
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| 20:40 | <Karzy> | Linux version 2.6.18.8-xen (root@vps008.grokthis.net) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-19)) #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:34:53 UTC 2008 |
| 20:40 | <Karzy> | http://rafb.net/p/IIw0Ba52.html -- I'm an idiot.. sorry Supaplex |
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| 20:43 | <Supaplex> | I don't think you're (completely) configured to accept mail for your domain. I don't have my postfix notes anymore, but postconf can show you the differences in your config from the defaults. |
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| 20:47 | <Supaplex> | bleh. why can't google calendar create reminders for 10 weeks from now? I'm annoyed to do it by hand. |
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| 21:22 | * | Sadox http://sadox.unixcod.org/gif/absyfsw5.gif :)) |
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| 21:44 | <amphi> | !qotd0 |
| 21:44 | <dpkg> | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
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| 22:29 | <LutiusVeratius> | how can I unpack rar archive? |
| 22:30 | <LutiusVeratius> | anyone? |
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| 22:32 | <abrotman> | !unrar |
| 22:32 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
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| 22:33 | <Sadox> | sadox: > apt-cache search unrar |grep rar |
| 22:33 | <Sadox> | unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 22:33 | <Sadox> | unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) |
| 22:33 | <Sadox> | sadox: > |
| 22:33 | -!- | Sadox was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
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| 22:33 | <Sadox> | phew |
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| 22:35 | <panagos> | seems i'm not the only one awake :D |
| 22:36 | <Sadox> | no you aren't :P |
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| 22:43 | <valessio> | Hi All, good night… I'm needing a list with name of the DD and DM of project. Somebody knows as can obtain? |
| 22:46 | <abrotman> | of what? |
| 22:47 | <valessio> | Debian project |
| 22:47 | <valessio> | all packages |
| 22:48 | <valessio> | for ii in `dpkg --list`; do ..... sniff.. I'm very slow.. hard.. difficult.. ;done |
| 22:48 | <valessio> | A command or script get names em package info... or link web with all names. |
| 22:49 | <valessio> | sorry my english.. :- |
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| 22:49 | <abrotman> | you just want a list of all maintainers? |
| 22:49 | <abrotman> | why? |
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| 22:49 | <valessio> | abrotman: I make Art ASCII |
| 22:49 | <abrotman> | you make ascii art with DD names ? |
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| 22:50 | <valessio> | abrotman: yes! |
| 22:50 | <valessio> | :D |
| 22:50 | <freeagy> | hi |
| 22:50 | <abrotman> | valessio: grep Maintainer /var/log/dpkg/status | sort | uniq .. enjoy |
| 22:50 | <valessio> | abrotman: swirl Debian, with DD names. |
| 22:50 | <valessio> | abrotman: great! thanks |
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| 22:52 | <valessio> | s/log/lib/ ok! |
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| 22:52 | <valessio> | :D |
| 22:52 | <kristian> | hi |
| 22:52 | <kristian> | just installed on an eee |
| 22:52 | <kristian> | grub would not install, so I went for lilo |
| 22:53 | <kristian> | now I get: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs) ... |
| 22:53 | <kristian> | any hints on what to do? |
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| 22:57 | <abrotman> | !eeepc |
| 22:57 | <dpkg> | i heard eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2> and <atl1e>. |
| 22:58 | <kristian> | yes, it is |
| 22:58 | <kristian> | but this seems to be a general debian problem |
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| 23:18 | <camel__> | is there a way I can force a redownload, and reinstallation of every package installed on my lenny system? |
| 23:18 | <camel__> | I have had a hardware failure that has corrupted some data, but apt-get/dpkg still seem to function OK, so i'd like to reinstall everything just to be on the safe side |
| 23:19 | <abrotman> | !reinstall |
| 23:19 | <dpkg> | i guess reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 23:20 | <abrotman> | actually .. probably `aptitude reinstall "~i!~M"` might be better (or something close tot hat)\ |
| 23:20 | <camel__> | abrotman: I've never used aptitude (but have heard of it) - i'll give that a try now and cross my fingers :) hang on! |
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