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00:00<enouf>what a mess
00:00*paddy tries enouf and chokes
00:00<bacon665>PPC version of linux are a mess period
00:00<bacon665>most of them dont work
00:00<bacon665>been trying for 2 years now
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02:00<D1ablo>i think am doing too many things at the same time ...... need to drop few of my project and do one thing atm
02:00<D1ablo>wrong window
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02:57<avtobiff>hi there. i still have problems with our audigy se pci. it works (in wondiws) but the digital io (and we think surround) has stopped working in debian. no kernel upgrade, nothing changed except adding "options snd_hda_intel index=-2" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base to stop the built-in card to grab slot 0.
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04:20<zcs>i'm trying to transfer files to my web root via sftp and am getting a user permission error, can you tell me how to change the appropriate permissions
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04:22<stmartin>How can I install a package (I'm using apt-get install ...) in a non-interactive script? I'm getting conffile queries, but I need to have a way of telling it to default to No -- keep my version (the default anyway).
04:23<jm_>zcs: where is your web root?
04:23<jm_>stmartin: man debconf
04:23<zcs>default var/www
04:23<jm_>that is and should not be writable by users
04:24<stmartin>I've tried telling it to be noninteractive, but it still happens (it seems to more of a dpkg thing rather than a debconf thing)
04:24<jm_>ohh sorry yeah, I misread - is it dpkg or ucf?
04:24<zcs>how do i change the web root in that case
04:24<stmartin>What's ucf?
04:25*stmartin looks
04:25<jm_>you can use --force-confnew for dpk
04:25<jm_>ucf can be overriden too in several ways
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04:25<jm_>or confdef - up to you
04:26<stmartin>Ah, great. That gives me two very good leads. Thanks.
04:26<jm_>zcs: in the apache config file - why don't you let users keep stuff in their home dirs, apache can serve that
04:26<zcs>okay, how to i set up forwarding to the home directories?
04:27<jm_>forwarding what?
04:27<zcs>in any case i didn't make a home directory during the install
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04:37<avtobiff>hi, i have a problem with a, in debian, non-working digital i/o and maybe surround, soundblaster audigy se (pci). it worked fine earlier but then suddenly stopped working (no kernel upgrade no nothing). we tested the card in a windows box and it worked just fine. what can i do to debug and fix this? (the digital out isn't muted and the correct module is loaded)
04:39<jm_>maybe it's in analog out mode
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04:40<avtobiff>jm_, i tried to mute analog and put on digital and vice versa.
04:40<avtobiff>it gives audio in analog but not on all channels for some reason
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04:44<jm_>avtobiff: how about digital/analog control?
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04:45<avtobiff>jm_, please elaborate
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04:45<avtobiff>jm_, have to fix something brb
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04:45<jm_>avtobiff: run amixer scontents and paste it on a paste site
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04:52<avtobiff>jm_, the iec958 (digital out) is set to on, the analog controls are set to mute
04:53<avtobiff>jm_, that is the configuration when it worked and that is the configuration when it stopped working
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04:55<jm_>avtobiff: yeah that looks fine then, it's probably best if you ask on alsa users list
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04:55<avtobiff>jm_, ok, i will do that. thanks!
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04:56<jm_>I always used analog output on my sblive and audigy - even got 5.1 working with some routing tweaks in OSS times
04:57<avtobiff>it is ince to just have one cable instead of five
04:57<jm_>yeah, I only have analog speakers ;)
04:57<jm_>need to buy something new, but can't find anything useful
04:57<geoffr>morning all, does anyone perhaps use pure-ftpd and if so with multiple anonymous accounts (i.e. each anonymous account refers to a different homedir according to the passwd)?
04:57<avtobiff>on another note, i have a macbook which has debian on it. it is incredibly slow, scrolling a web page or PDF lags a lot. is this known behaviour?
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04:59<avtobiff>i have enabled laptop-mode on it, and on battery it is annoyingly slow on battery it is just so slow it is annoying.
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04:59<willemb>Hi all
04:59<willemb>I feel really stupid here
04:59<willemb>apt-cache search ssh
04:59<willemb>returns no openssh-server
04:59<willemb>whats up with that?
05:00<jm_>avtobiff: maybe CPU is constantly staying in slowest mode
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05:00<avtobiff>jm_, yes. but not on battery.
05:00<jm_>avtobiff: didn't you just say it's slow when on battery?
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05:01<avtobiff>jm_, and even in slowest mode it is 1 GHz. that should be more than enough for scrolling a web page or PDF. my gf's nokia n810 scrolls ok and it is a very low power cpu in there.
05:01<jm_>or are you trying to say it's slow also when not on battery?
05:01<avtobiff>jm_, no. it is slower on battery but also slow on charger.
05:01<geoffr>willemb - what does "aptitude search ssh" give and does aptitude update work?
05:01<jm_>avtobiff: in xpdf?
05:01<avtobiff>jm_, evince
05:01<avtobiff>jm_, and firefox
05:02<avtobiff>jm_, and switching between workspaces with compiz.
05:02<avtobiff>all this has been working ok earlier
05:02<jm_>avtobiff: hmm and you're using accelerated driver?
05:02<avtobiff>jm_, intel onboard driver
05:03<jm_>avtobiff: ohh I have no idea about that, but I would try with some more basic window manager
05:03<avtobiff>i'll try that and see if it works out
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05:04<willemb>geoff: thanks, i noticed that i did a bad copy-paste from the other machine's sources.lst
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05:33<stmartin>sudo apt-get -o=DPkg::options="--force-confold" install --yes --quiet bind9
05:33<stmartin>I think this should cause the conffile resolution to use the old file, but when I look at how dpkg is being called it has no --force-confold argument.
05:33<stmartin>Am I missing something?
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05:34<jm_>shouldn't it be -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confold" ?
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05:35<stmartin>Not according to apt.conf(5), its a lowercase options
05:35<stmartin> options
05:35<stmartin> This is a list of options to pass to dpkg. The options must be
05:35<stmartin> specified using the list notation and each list item is passed as a
05:35<stmartin> single argument to dpkg(8).
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05:36<OdyX>4 lignes… ;)
05:36<stmartin>sorry about that
05:36*stmartin mumbles something about the definition of a flood
05:36<jm_>the point was you're using -o=foo as opposed to -o foo
05:36<stmartin>Hmmm, it does say list notation though.
05:37<stmartin>I've tried it both ways.
05:37<stmartin>The synopsis in apt-get(8) used the = so I tried that
05:38<Garda>is it possible to search in aptitude through package descriptions as well as package names?
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05:38<jm_>WFM with aptitude
05:38<jm_>Garda: of course
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05:39<Garda>how, when i search "/searchterm" it does package names only
05:39<jm_>aptitude search '~dfoo'
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05:42*stmartin tries: apt-get -o='DPkg::Options={"--force-confold";}'
05:43<Garda>i realised it does work when you call aptitude
05:43<jm_>aptitude -o DPkg::Options= works fine here
05:43<Garda>but not when searching through the GUI
05:43<jm_>you can use the same searches in aptitude UI
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05:44<stmartin>Hmm, I noticed the difference in the sample file showing all options.
05:44<jm_>aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" works here
05:45<stmartin>Ah, good to know. thanks.
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05:45<stmartin>Are you testing with something that would cause a conffile clash?
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05:45<prxtien>hey all
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05:46<jm_>no, I looked at how dpkg was called
05:46<prxtien>is anyone able to tell me the name of the secure compiler?
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05:46<stmartin>cool, thanks.
05:46<jm_>prxtien: no
05:46<prxtien>isnt there a secure version of gcc?
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05:47<jm_>why would gcc need securing?
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05:48<prxtien>there is a compiler that when you compile something with it, if a exploit is attempted, ie buffer overflow, it crashes the daemon instead of being exploited
05:49<jm_>checkergcc but it's heavily outdated
05:49<prxtien>oh right
05:49<prxtien>is there any current equivelent?
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05:50<stmartin>prxtien: There's things like stackguard and heap randomisation. Is that what you're after?
05:50<jm_>not that I know off, but you can use PaX etc.
05:50<prxtien>stmartin, yeah mate, where can i find information on that?
05:50<stmartin>beats me. Google
05:50<jm_>or: duma - library to detect buffer overruns and under-runs in C and C++ programs
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06:09<sasi>hi can anyone tell me how to change the debian language while distro building
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06:12<stmartin>sudo debconf-get-selections --installer | grep -i english | grep -v '^#'
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06:13<stmartin>Might give you a clue.
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06:14<stmartin> /etc/default/locale is also useful. I think you are expected to use update-locale(8) for that.
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06:16<Student>what is the name of channel providing help with services on this network?
06:16<jm_>doesn't d-i set it automatically based on language choice?
06:16<jm_>Student: read the MOTD
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06:18<Student>jm_ no sir, it is not written there
06:18<jm_>yes it is
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06:18<jm_>07:00 - If you require assistance stop by in channel #oftc, or email
06:18<jm_>07:00 - with details.
06:19<stmartin>perhaps Student is thinking of /topic instead of /motd ?
06:19<Student>well let me read it again
06:20<stmartin> 'cept this is no /motd
06:20<Student>may be it is not in the motd of server i connected
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06:28<Bushmills>Student: try #oftc. the server has a /help function too
06:29<jm_>services too
06:29<Bushmills>hm. /me laggy?
06:30<Bushmills>hope my lag isn't that big that when one asks "what is current stable?", i reply "potato"
06:31<Bushmills>(because i won't anticipate. potato is still testing :P )
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06:53<dvd>hi, everybody, i just asked in #debian-x but it's a very quiet place, so i'll ask here as well: in order to get my 3d graphics working i had to install xorg from the experimental repository but that left me with an empty xorg.conf and quite a lot missing functionalities of my keyboard and touchpad (e.g. no ctrl-alt-fX) any idea how it can be configured?
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06:54<jm_>you can add it to xorg.conf manually
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06:55<dvd>jm_: well it's an empty file so i don't know what to add... (but yet my 3d works with an empty file!)
06:55<jm_>dvd: man xorg.conf for details (yes, the server is auto-configured these days), you can also look at your old xorg.conf file
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06:58<dvd>jm_: i don't have an old file :) it's a fresh installation but i'm looking at the man right now
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07:17<Bushmills>dvd: there is an xorg.conf man page
07:18<Bushmills>hm. right, you found that already ... (/me feels laggy again)
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07:20<dvd>Bushmills: i found it but it doesn't help me yet... :)
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07:21<dvd>Bushmills: i understand that i should enable SHMConfig and probably use gsynaptics for further configuration
07:21<enouf>dvd: see as well might help
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07:22<Bushmills>dvd, for touchpad settings? those can be inserted in xorg.conf
07:23<dvd>Bushmills: touchpad settings for touchpad double-click
07:24<dvd>Bushmills: and then somehow fix the keyboard settings because i can't live without a ctrl-alt-f1 :)
07:24<petemc>why? why not just use a terminal emulator?
07:25<dvd>because sometimes i need to turn off gdm...
07:25<Bushmills>dvd, workaround until fixed: set uid bit of chvt, and execute chvt 1 (also as executable desktop item)
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07:28<dvd>Bushmills: chvt 1 sent me to a blank black screen :( BUT ctrl-alt-f7 returned me to gdm...
07:29<Bushmills>dvd, use 1...7 for virtual console 1...7
07:29<Bushmills>i.e. ctrl-alt-f1 -> chvt 1 etc
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07:29<dvd>i understand that but chvt 1 didn't work..
07:30<Bushmills>then ctrl-alt-fx will most likely show you the same
07:31<dvd>no, it just doesn't change a pixel on my screen :)
07:31<Bushmills>(once i has been configured to
07:31<dvd>well so it might be an experimental issue
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07:31<Bushmills>(once those have been configured to work)
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07:32<Bushmills>my enter key is definitely too close to the backspace key
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07:34<enouf>dvd: are you using nvidia or ati video binary blobs? or using an Xorg driver?
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07:34<dvd>enouf: intel 4500 mhd, using the xorg driver from experimental
07:35<dvd>enouf: (older versions don't support 3d yet)
07:35<enouf>dvd: turn off gdm? /etc/init.d/gdm stop? gdm-setup?
07:35<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
07:36<enouf>dvd: you might kill your entire X session if you do /etc/init.d/gdm stop ;-)
07:36<dvd>enouf: i know...
07:37<dvd>enouf: it did :)
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07:38<enouf>is that what you wanted? or .. (for some reason, i think not)
07:38<dvd>enouf: mmm no, it wasn't :)
07:41<RichiH>is anyone aware of mysql 4.1.22 packages for debian etch?
07:42<dvd>rrright, so i didn't mention that i put the sidux 2.6.27 kernel (that's for the wireless driver.... new hardware you know ;) ) now under 2.6.26 (debian) chvt works
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07:52<enouf>RichiH: not sure if this output is going to be of use ... but;
07:52<enouf> [judd] mysql% in etch: etch: mysql-query-browser 1.2.5beta-3 etch: mysql-query-browser-common 1.2.5beta-3 etch: mysql-admin 1.2.5rc-2 etch: mysql-admin-common 1.2.5rc-2 etch: mysql-navigator 1.4.2-8 etch: mysqltcl 3.02-1 etch: mysql-client 5.0.32-7etch6 etch: mysql-client-5.0 5.0.32-7etch6 etch: mysql-common 5.0.32-7etch6 etch: mysql-server 5.0.32-7etch6 etch: mysql-server-4.1 5.0.32-7etch6 etch: mysql- (1 more message)
07:52<enouf> server-5.0 5.0.32-7etch6
07:53<RichiH>enouf: those are 5.0
07:53<RichiH>thanks though
07:53<enouf>well, i asked judd about 4*
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07:54<enouf>RichiH: if you need older pkgs, try and - as well as ?
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07:55<RichiH>enouf: they offer 4.1.11-etch8 and nothing more
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07:56<enouf>RichiH: time to make you own? ;-)
07:57<RichiH>enouf: s/)/(/
07:57<enouf>RichiH: are you seeking some extra functionality not found in earlier versions like 4
07:57<RichiH>but yah
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07:57<enouf>RichiH: are you seeking some extra functionality not found in earlier versions like 4.1.11-etch8 ?
07:57<RichiH>enouf: i am told 4.1.11 sucks while 4.1.22 does not
07:57<RichiH>personally, i think mysql as a whole sucks ;)
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07:58<enouf>ahh .. because, altering just the versions isn't really that hard ..
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07:58<enouf>but .. well, you know .. it's not going to change the functionality or suckiness ;-)
07:58<RichiH>enouf: hmm
07:58<RichiH>enouf: that is only true if there are no patches though, no?>
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07:59<enouf>RichiH: well.. sure, but from where? and will the patches apply correctly using debian sources?
08:00<RichiH>i mean that if the debian/ of the 4.1.11 package has patches, hammering it to build 4.1.22 may be error prone
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08:16<Arjuna>i installed nvidia-glx package from debian sources, and i cant get to work 3d rendering. mesautils outputs segmentation fault, games dont work and i get into gdm with nvidia screen
08:16<dutchy>Arjuna: you can try it the non-debian way by downloading the .run file from
08:16<Arjuna>i know
08:17<Arjuna>i was using that thing for years
08:17<jm_>Arjuna: is nvidia kernel module installed?
08:17<Arjuna>yes it is
08:17<jm_>then maybe you need to try newer version
08:17<Arjuna>newer version of?
08:18<Arjuna>2.6.26-1-686 is kernel version
08:18<jm_>nvidia driver
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08:18<Arjuna>but nvidia driver is for this version of kernel
08:18<jm_>you can install a newer version and build it against your kernel
08:18<dutchy>another option, you can use script that does it all for you which can be found here:
08:19<Arjuna>dutchy, thx will try that heh
08:19<Arjuna>something must be wrong and i cant see it
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08:20<Arjuna>and another question, how can i give permitions to /dev files at startup, it is for device /dev/raw1394 for Kino to work
08:20<jm_>what permissions/ownership does it have now?
08:20<Arjuna>i only need to add others rw
08:21<Arjuna>crw-rw---- 1 root disk 171, 0 2008-12-19 14:03 /dev/raw1394
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08:23<vinicius>hi! i´ve been trying to use a pcmcia wireless card that is suposed to be recognized as a ttys0 card on my laptop (in the small input slot where usually goes the remote control).. i dont see anything after typing dmesg or lspci... how can i find out if debian is seeing anything?
08:23<jm_>well you can add a udev rule to change ownership/permissions
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08:24<Arjuna>jm_, thx for the tip
08:24<Arjuna>i only need to be pointed to right dircetion otherwise i loose too much time haha
08:26<jm_>(adding user to group disk is probably not a good idea)
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08:27<Arjuna>jm_, i belive u and understand this, but when u have to import some DV u do it in fastest way :D
08:29<Arjuna>jm_, whats the best soultion then, i want to get user the RW permitions for raw1394 device
08:29<jm_>Arjuna: I'd use gropu "video"
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08:30<Arjuna>so i need to change the device group?
08:31<jm_>and add user to group video
08:31<Arjuna>user is in group video
08:31<Arjuna>but settings need to save
08:32<jm_>hence udev rule
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08:35<gsimmons>vinicius: Install the 'pcmciautils' package, use the pccardctl command (with ls or ident parameters) to examine your connected device. See also the Linux Infrared HOWTO (/msg dpkg irda) and
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08:36<dgodfather>hello everyone, i wanted to use rhythmbox to listen to music, and noticed some problems with .mp3. checked that my gstreamer is installed and updated (it is)
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08:36<path>use audacious :-)
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08:36<Txt-file>wich debian are you running?
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08:36<dgodfather>after doing so i flagged true to add the addon of to rythmbox,
08:36<dgodfather>path: :)
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08:36<dgodfather>i am using the lenny amd64
08:37<dgodfather>with kernel
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08:37<dgodfather>sorry -> 2.6.26-1-amd64
08:37<dgodfather>but i didn't get to the point yet :)
08:37<dgodfather>well suddenly i lost all sound on the system
08:38<dgodfather>oh and right before loosing my sound i played with the asoundconf set-default-card
08:38<dgodfather>wanted to change from speakers to headset and vice verse
08:38<jm_>try renaming .asoundrc
08:38<dgodfather>anyway it didn't succeed changing so i returned the default to the 0 card
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08:39<dgodfather>jm_: what do you mean? to the same name?
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08:39<jm_>dgodfather: how can you rename something to the same name? mv ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc-asoundconf-crap
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08:39<vinicius>gsimmons, thanks!
08:39<blunted>how do i re-run the dpkg menu thing that lets me pick the usb mouse option
08:40<Halitech>blunted, open a terminal sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
08:40<blunted>it doesnt ask me
08:40<ebzzry>Hi! How can view the messages that were displayed on the console during boottime, from the loading of the kernel to just before the login prompt?
08:40<dgodfather>jm_: so it will be recreated?
08:40<blunted>just about keyboard layout
08:40<avtobiff>ebzzry, try dmesg
08:40<jm_>dgodfather: you don't need that file typically
08:41<jm_>ebzzry: and enable bootlog
08:41<avtobiff>ebzzry, or you could just rollback with shift-pgup
08:41<avtobiff>ebzzry, you may need to increase the amount of lines stored in your scrollback buffer.
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08:41<ebzzry>avtobiff: No, I want something more, like I want to see if a program displayed any error message during boot time.
08:41<dgodfather>jm_: still no sound
08:42<jm_>dgodfather: check your mixer controls
08:42<jm_>dgodfather: did you restart the app?
08:42<dgodfather>jm_: sorry it worked. if it's an unnecessary file, can you please explain why did it fuck it up?
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08:43<jm_>dgodfather: does speaker-test produce any sound?
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08:44<dgodfather>jm_: yes it does, i already told you it works
08:44<jm_>dgodfather: I have no idea, I remember someone else ending up with a wrong .asoundrc file and asking in #debian for help - .asoundrc is best used for advanced stuff which is poorly documented
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08:44<dgodfather>jm_: oh well thanks
08:45<blunted>how come when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't let me pick what kind of mouse i have
08:45<dgodfather>but now i still can't hear anything from my browser
08:45<blunted>is there some other thing im supposed to reconfigure to get the mouse one
08:45<dgodfather>jm_: any idea what can i do about that?
08:46<dgodfather>jm_: and how can i configure it to use with headset
08:46<jm_>dgodfather: but why do you think asoundconf will help for that?
08:47<jm_>blunted: which package config asked about it?
08:47<jm_>dgodfather: which version of alsa is this?
08:47<Halitech>dgodfather, where are you trying to get sound from in the browser? might not be a sound issue
08:48<jm_>dgodfather: try configuring DSP wrapper for the browser
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08:48<dgodfather>jm_: Halitech: sec guys
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08:49<dgodfather>Halitech: was trying to get sound from youtube
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08:50<dgodfather>jm_: i have no idea what do you mean by DSP wrapper :)
08:51<Halitech>dgodfather, then it might be a java/flash issue, I've never been able to get it to work on my main system but it works fine on a laptop that I just did a fresh install on last night
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08:51<jm_>dgodfather: dpkg -l alsa-base
08:51<blunted>stupid powercord
08:51<blunted>I was trying to use my new usb mouse
08:51<blunted>but cannot figure out how to change it
08:51<jm_>dgodfather: check /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc - can be set in ~/.mozilla/firefox/rc (or wherever your config is)
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08:52<dgodfather>jm_: ->
08:52<jm_>dgodfather: that should have dmix enabled by default, try the dsp wrapper thing
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08:53<blunted>what do i type to make it use my usb mouse instead of ps
08:53<dgodfather>jm_: my DSP option is = "none"
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08:53<dgodfather>but it worked before
08:53<jm_>dgodfather: set it to auto or aoss
08:54<jm_>(aoss requires alsa-oss package installed)
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08:55<jm_>blunted: let what use it?
08:55<dgodfather>jm_: set it to auto and still no sound in youtube
08:55<blunted>the computer
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08:56<blunted>when i first installed debian i got a menu that asked me which type of mouse i had
08:56<blunted>I pressed no on usb and yes on ps/2
08:56<jm_>dgodfather: any other apps using sound device?
08:56<jm_>so X or what? which device is it using now?
08:56<blunted>how do i change this decision now that i am not in the setup
08:56<blunted>its using the ps/2
08:57<jm_>please tell me the device name
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08:59<blunted>i do not know
08:59<jm_>check your log - /var/log/xorg.0.log
08:59<jm_>Xorg.0.log even
08:59<jm_>or find it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
08:59<ranix>blunted: you want to change your mouse driver from using /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice
09:00<dgodfather>jm_: nop all sound devices closed and even browser restarted, yet no sound
09:00<ranix>blunted: you could use dpkg-reconfigure but this is a simple change and it's probably better to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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09:00<jm_>dgodfather: lsof|grep snd
09:00<blunted>it doesn't specify
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09:01<ranix>blunted: there is a Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf that has the line /dev/psaux, find that with your favorite text editor of choice
09:01<dgodfather>jm_: also it doesn't seem right that i can only have one application that uses a sound device at a time
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09:02<jm_>dgodfather: that's what dmix should solve, and ALSA docs say it's enabled by default, but I am more and more convinced that isn't so
09:02<dgodfather>jm_: it took long and returned nothing
09:02<blunted>the core pointer device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout. Using the first mouse device
09:02<blunted>is what is says
09:02<jm_>dgodfather: ok so sound issue with browser must be something else, but I have no idea what :)
09:03<dgodfather>guess no one is using any snd file
09:03<dgodfather>though i still don't know if that should present a problem
09:03<jm_>it would if you can only have one device accessing your sound card
09:03<ranix>jm_: I have had that problem in the past, I think it depends on which alsa package you install/the order you install. If I recently do an apt-get install alsa alsa-utils dmix is enabled, but when I did not know to do this so simply with these two metapackages and went installing alsa packages one by one, dmix was disabled
09:04<ranix>jm_: I wasn't able to recreate the problem after the first two times I had that problem, I thought it was a packaging error that had been solved
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09:04<jm_>ranix: yeah but the docs say it's enabled by default, so I think the order shouldn't matter
09:04<dgodfather>jm_: well it's fine for now thanks i will deal with that later :)
09:04<dgodfather>10x dude
09:04<jm_>no worries
09:04<ranix>jm_: there may be a spare line in a conf file somewhere
09:05<jm_>ranix: you mean as in they now ship a config file which enables it by default? sure, quite possible
09:05<ranix>maybe re-running alsaconf would set it to enabled
09:06<ranix>jm_: I was thinking if the config file had no option to enable it, it would be enabled, but they ship a config file with it disabled
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09:06<ranix>jm_: which would, in a manner of reading, still allow for "enabled by default" to be true
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09:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:06<alephnull>Am I right in assuming that snd-intel8x0 is the module to use for the on-board sound on an nVidia nForce4 mobo ?
09:06<jm_>ranix: hmm I think that would be rather silly
09:06<jm_>!tell alephnull -about hcl
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09:07<jm_>alephnull: most likely yes, visit kmuto URL to verify
09:07<asl1>You can edit a file from the ftp with the console??
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09:09<jm_>you can download the file and edit it yes
09:09<jm_>some editors allow you to access the file directly over ftp
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09:10<ranix>kind of, they actually download it to ram or /tmp/ and save it to the ftp on command or incrementally
09:10<ranix>or, ftp programs like winscp make it seem as if you're editing the file directly in the same manner
09:10<asl1>editing software required
09:10<ranix>asl1: vim
09:11<ranix>asl1: or, emacs, if you're into that kind of thing
09:11<asl1>ftp> vim archive.php?????
09:11<ranix>asl1: copy archive.php /tmp/
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09:12<ranix>and then vim /tmp/archive.php
09:12<asl1>does not work
09:12<ranix>and then copy it back
09:12<ranix>? I think in ftp for a command list
09:12<jm_>uhm vim ftp://.../archive.php
09:12<ranix>vim actually does it automagically?
09:12<asl1>I want to edit it within the server
09:12<jm_>ranix: :help netrw
09:12<ranix>asl1: then use scp
09:12<OdyX>What makes (still) not an official service of Debian =
09:12<ranix>thanks jm_ that's kind of cool
09:13<ranix>sorry I meant ssh
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09:15<asl1>as is the command
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09:15<tuxcrafter>does somebody knows a way to disable all messages to tty when booting a kernel
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09:15<tuxcrafter>i have to much usb error and acpi and module loading erros
09:15<tuxcrafter>i dotn want the user to be scarred with the messages
09:15<ranix>OdyX: debian package maintenance is a very serious business, and we want the stable tree to not be polluted by testing packages
09:15<tuxcrafter>i dont use splash
09:15<jm_>tuxcrafter: you can use quiet argument to the kernel
09:16<OdyX>ranix: yes... but using backports is voluntary, huh ?
09:16<tuxcrafter>jm_: i get the messages with the quiet arguement
09:16<ranix>OdyX: backports being unofficial adds an additional level of separation from the official Debian trees
09:16<jm_>tuxcrafter: then say console=tty4 or somesuch
09:16<OdyX>and responsability separation too ?
09:16<koollman>ranix: sometimes there is just no other choices
09:16<tuxcrafter>jm_: lets test that one
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09:17<ranix>koollman: yep, which is why it's there!
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09:19<ranix>tuxcrafter: you can even use console=ttyS0 or similar to redirect console output to a rs232 serial port
09:19<ranix>which is super nifty for headless systems.
09:20<tuxcrafter>ranix: shoudl i set this in the list of defoptions
09:21<tuxcrafter>like defoption=console=tty4
09:21<tuxcrafter>because i did that and did an update-grub but the kernel line is not updated
09:22<tuxcrafter>let just see what happens
09:22<tuxcrafter>no diffence
09:22*tuxcrafter is checking google
09:23<jm_>do you see console= in /proc/cmdline?
09:23<ranix>I would put that in the kernel options
09:24<ranix>i.e. kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=0x318 fbcon=rotate:1
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09:24<ranix>/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=0x318 fbcon=rotate:1 console=/dev/tty4
09:24<ranix>actually, no /dev/ there
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09:24<ranix>just console=tty4
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09:25<ranix>tuxcrafter: you might be able to better solve your problem by just obfuscating the boot process with, say, bootsplash
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09:26<ranix>tuxcrafter: if the only problem is that you don't want the user to see the boot process, that is
09:26<tuxcrafter>ranix: bootsplash is so slow and the defautl is so ugly
09:27<ranix>tuxcrafter: k
09:27<ranix>I would think that part of what's cool about linux is having a wall of text
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09:29<Halitech>tuxcrafter, maybe I'm going to over simplify this but if you don't want users to see the boot messages, don't turn the systems off and they won't see the boot messages ;)
09:29<ranix>rather than seeing "windows XP" and a bar that moves. What does that mean? What is it doing? Is it loading drivers? Is it establishing an internet connection? Is it contacting extraterrestrials via the IPX protocol? Who knows?
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09:33<enouf>crap - sorry
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09:36<tuxcrafter>ranix: it complains aboutACPI _CST is not vailid, and 8139cp is not an 8139C++ compatible chip, driver pcspkg is already registred. aborting
09:36<tuxcrafter>all things work
09:37<tuxcrafter>the pcspkr is already registerd bug is popping up in almost all my systems it is very ...
09:37<tuxcrafter>i tried adding pcspk to the blacklist
09:37<tuxcrafter>if you guys have proper solutions to make the messages go away please tell :-p
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09:38<tuxcrafter>i stil need acpi for the lid close event of this laptop system
09:38<jm_>try blacklisting snd_pcsp
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09:40<tuxcrafter>adding it to the blacklist together with 8139cp
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09:40<jm_>make sure to blacklist it properly and to update initrd image
09:40<tuxcrafter>jm_: the pcspk error is gone
09:40<tuxcrafter>i will check my other testing system why it did nto work there
09:41<tuxcrafter>hmm i used a - instead of a _ there
09:41<jm_>shouldn't matter
09:42<alephnull>Thanks, jm_
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09:43<tuxcrafter>i got the console=tty4 part working but it removed all the good stuff :-p not the warnings about the acpi and modules errors i wanted to hide :-p
09:44<tuxcrafter>maybe there is some acpi=noerror option ...
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09:47<tuxcrafter>hmm strange, the mii module is depending on 8139cp but that one is complainint about incompatable chip and loads the 8139too module that works ...
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09:53<tuxcrafter>i also always get sda write assuming drive cache: write through messages when a external disk is attached.. somebody got an idea why this message is showing up and how to disable it. it is on my need to solve list for a long time
09:54<jm_>it's informational message
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09:54<tuxcrafter>jm_: what is the information it is delivering?
09:54<tuxcrafter>are ther atther ways to use the drive cache ?
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09:55<tuxcrafter>and is it a bad thing? i never got the message it is sending
09:55*tuxcrafter is just curious and is not bashing :-p
09:55<jm_>tuxcrafter: it's normal, nothing to worry about
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09:56<tuxcrafter>jm_: but if it is so normal (i indeed always get the messages) why is is displayed then?
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09:57<jm_>tuxcrafter: do you see it on console or what?
09:57<tuxcrafter>is this a bug? would it be usefull to write a bug report about it
09:57<tuxcrafter>jm_: jups in the console
09:57<tuxcrafter>during boot
09:57*tuxcrafter is striving for a clean boot log when all devices work proprerly like thy should
09:58<jm_>tuxcrafter: many other things are also normal and are displayed, not easy to please everyone
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09:59<tuxcrafter>though but i just do not understead, is the message there because nobody cares, is it just something that needs ome cleanup love, or is the message usefull and mandantory
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10:00<tuxcrafter>i now this sounds a bit like nitpicking but it help me to understead better how i should solve these "details"
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10:02<jm_>sorry I have to run now
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10:11<Halitech>rant on - why do people think they can fix a bloody hardware problem by changing a line in software /rant
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10:14<Raven>привет, есть русскоговорящие?
10:15<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:16<Raven>thanks :]
10:19<tuxcrafter>btw there was someting wrong with my grup config thats why console=tty4 on defoptions did not work reinstalling grub fixed the issue
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10:23<tuxcrafter>Halitech: i dont think i can solve the hardware issue, bad hardware keeps being bad hardware, but i also now most kernel software is greated to make workarounds for bad hardware ;-p
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10:26<Halitech>tuxcrafter, sorry, that wasn't reflective of you, was just reading a post on the ubuntu forum where the nic is giving a MAC Address of ff:ff:ff:ff:ff and people are telling him to change the MAC address
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10:28<tuxcrafter>ah ok, your rant had been appliable on my post about nacking about acpi errors and module warning during boot :-p
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10:28<Halitech>tuxcrafter, nah, if it was directed at you I would have addressed it to you ;)
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10:30<Lenhix>Hi guys. I install vmware and I don't want it to start with the system. I tried using rcconf but vmware doesn't show up in the list. I know there's another command to control which services are started/stopped when the system goes up/down but I don't know what it is, does any of you know?
10:31<tuxcrafter>how no
10:31<tuxcrafter>that is not what you where askiung
10:31<asl1>como istalo el flash en mi navegador gnome
10:31<tuxcrafter>Lenhix: em it was
10:31<tuxcrafter>Lenhix: use update-rc -f service remove
10:32<tuxcrafter>but i have not found a way to make it perminent everytime the package is updated the init script is reinstalled. somebody know how to fix this correctly?
10:32<Raven>hello. do anybody use on-line debian repositories?
10:34<petemc>just about nearly everyone that uses debian
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10:35<Halitech>Raven, only ones who wouldn't would be those with no internet connection
10:36<tuxcrafter>the last few days has been extreem slow
10:36<tuxcrafter>is there some quality management that checks the mirrors
10:36<Raven>i have only security update links. where can i find other updates.
10:36<tuxcrafter> is 6000% faster
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10:37<hAtOrY>people.. how i make a usb pen bootlable using windows ? i want to burn a debian image nto pen and boot because my cd/dvd drive is broken :x
10:38<Halitech>hAtOrY, has multiple tutorials for creating a LIve USB ... booting from it will depend on your system
10:38<OdyX>Are you using Windows actually ?
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10:38<hAtOrY>OdyX yes
10:39<hAtOrY>thats the problem..
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10:39<OdyX>hAtOrY: you can simply go to
10:39<hAtOrY>all the tutorials i get is just work withlinux installed
10:39<hAtOrY>ill try it (:
10:39<tuxcrafter>the installation of iceweasel is creating an unwanted Desktop folder in home i really dont like that, is is usefull to make a bugreprort about it?
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10:39<OdyX>hAtOrY: There you download the installernd it will "just work" hopefully
10:41<OdyX>tuxcrafter: are you certain that its iceweasel ? seems weird !
10:41<tuxcrafter>OdyX: it is because the download folder is defaulted to Desktop and when you start firefox it creates the folder
10:41<hAtOrY>it will download debian and install, without instal cd, pen ectt. right ?
10:42<OdyX>hAtOrY: not exactly… it will download the installer and prepare the bootloader
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10:42<OdyX>then you have to reboot on the installer...
10:42<OdyX>tuxcrafter: Well. This is a wishlist bug imho
10:42<OdyX>but report it if you feel its important…
10:42<OdyX>check if it is not existant already...
10:42<tuxcrafter>ok then i will create the bug report
10:42<gsimmons>tuxcrafter: Already reported, see Debian bug #487842.
10:42<tuxcrafter>ow oke
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10:43<OdyX>and keep in mind that iceweasel has already much much bugs reported. Obviously the maintainer(s) are overloaded…
10:43<hAtOrY>OdyX ok.. tks
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10:46<Guest302>anyone there
10:46<Guest302>interested in koppix talk
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10:47<stew>Guest302: this is neither the place for social chat, nor for knoppix. if you want to discuss knoppix, please try #knoppix on if you are looking for social chat, try #moocows
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10:48<Guest302>who is chatting debian?
10:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 393] by debhelper
10:49<stew>Guest302: this is a support channel. do you have a debian related support question we could help you with?
10:51<Guest302>sure where can i get a debian for my desktop and need comparision of debian with other linux flavour? Can you provide me that. thanks
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10:51<stew>Guest302: you can get debian by going to "" and clicking on "Getting Debian". you might want to read the install guide: /msg dpkg ig
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10:52<Txt-file>guest3202: what kind of comperisation?
10:52<Raven>where can i find online updates for debian?
10:52<Threeman>I have a debian problem. Well not really I'm a n00b at linux. Basically I have Debian on my VPS. And I have lighttpd, php, mysql all installed on my server. Now I'm adding users. Except when they're added They can access all of /. I want them to only be able to access /home/name/. I've been using the --home option on adduser. When they connect through sftp they can see the whole of /. help please? :]
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10:53<OdyX>Threeman: they access to your server how ? ssh ?
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10:54<petemc>Threeman: you can look at rbash, tho most peoples reasons for wanting to keep users in their home dirs are bogus
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10:55<Threeman>They should be able to connect though SFTP OdyX.
10:55<petemc>you can use scponly for that
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10:56<Txt-file>Raven: aptitude upgrade
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10:58<Raven>i need add som links to my sources.list.
10:59<Raven>where can i take that?
10:59<Txt-file>raven: depends on what is in your sources.list
10:59<Lenhix>What is runlevel S? (or where can I find info about each runlevel?)
10:59<Txt-file>raven: can you pastebin your sources.list?
11:00<petern>most 'user need to be kept in their home directory' concerns can be solved by putting all users in one group and removing group access to home directories...
11:00<Raven>just a minute...
11:00<Txt-file>!tell Lenhix about runlevel
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11:01<tuxcrafter>i am using quod libet as a music player system, and when i use shutdown -h now quodlibet does not save his program state, is this a bug or normal behavioir
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11:02<Lenhix>thx Txt-file, but no info about S, hehe
11:02<Raven>-Txt-file- : deb file:/mnt/debian-1/ etch contrib main
11:02<Raven>deb file:/mnt/debian-2/ etch contrib main
11:02<Raven>deb file:/mnt/debian-3/ etch contrib main
11:03<Lenhix>uhm, stop
11:03<Txt-file>!tell raven about pastebin
11:04<Lenhix> << that's my sources.list, Raven
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11:05<Txt-file>raven: the sources.list of lehix is good. if you have etch you can use it. for lenny replace every etch trough lenny
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11:07<Raven>oh thanks :) i think it is the same what i have searched
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11:09<gl0in_>hello guys
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11:10<gl0in_>i'm trying to identify my audio soundcard on a poweredge860, i'va alsa packages installed, but i cant see anything about audio with lspci, and alsaconf don't recognize any sound card... how can i found my card?
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11:11<amjad>How do replace gnome with blackbox?
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11:12<Halitech>gl0in_, Dell Poweredge 860 rack mount server?
11:12<Lenhix>why replace? install blackbox and set it as default desktop enviroment
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11:14<Lenhix>Should be sth like: apt-get install blackbox. Restart and when GDM asks for user choose blackbox as session type
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11:15<Txt-file>I'm off, something to do ... hf gl for all
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11:17<tuxcrafter>how is it possible that qoudlibet does not support flac and ogg after installing...
11:17<tuxcrafter>what is that for strategie..
11:17<amjad>How do replace gnome with blackbox?
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11:19<Halitech>amjad, Lenhix gave you directions already
11:21<amjad>ohh sorry Halitech
11:21<amjad>Lenhix, I dont gdm
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11:21<amjad>I installed blackbox and when I do startx, I get gnome desktop
11:22<amjad>I dont have gdm
11:22<Halitech>amjad, try blackbox after logging in
11:23<amjad>ok, let me try that
11:23<wave>don't you guys also wonder why people always ask simply question they could get answered by just reading a little peace of manual ... ?
11:23<wave>sry ^^
11:23<wave>spelling is my worst mark
11:24<Halitech>wave, its the instant gratification generation we live in now, dont know? ask someone to hold their hand and give them the answer
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11:24<kapil>amjad: create a .xinitrc (man xinit)
11:25<amjad>kapil, that works
11:25<wave>insanly enough my insant gratification oftentimes turns out to be just google ^^
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11:25<kapil>wave: "insanly"?
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11:26<Halitech>wave, I agree, most times google will have an answer faster then waiting for someone to answer
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11:27<wave>yes, i do no find it bad to answer questions. however it seems akward and even pesky sometimes if they are really simply to be answered by reading a manpage
11:28<vinicius>hi! im trying to connect a wireless pcmcia card on my laptop (in the slot where we usually keep the remote control)... debian dont seem to recognize anything (checking via dmesg, lspci and pccardctl).. how can i check if debian really sees anything?
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11:29<Lenhix>I use man to get info on how to use a specific command, but not all answers are on a manpage
11:30<wave>or ask those people from ubuntu. i deem they know everything anyways ... ^^
11:30<kapil>Lenhix: yes. there are info pages too! :)
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11:31<wave>actually man oftentimes references the info pages.. as you might have noted
11:31<Halitech>wave, well they seem to think they do ;)
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11:32<Halitech>vinicius, if lspci doesn't show the card then chances are nothing else will either
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11:32<wave>yeah, they are so cool ... ubuntu
11:33<Halitech>vinicius, have you tried reseating the card?
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11:33<Halitech>wave, I started there and its good for what it does but some seem to have the attitude that ubuntu is THE linux operating system
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11:35<vinicius>Halitech, I´ve seen reports of success in detecting this same card on debian...
11:35<vinicius>Halitech, does debian needs anything to work with this slot or a stadard installation would do?
11:36<vinicius>the card is not reseatable... its just a card
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11:36<Lenhix>kapil: I'm not that into Linux yet, didn't know about info pages. I know you can "info <command>" but it's like a manpage
11:36<Halitech>vinicius, standard install should work ... do any other cards get detected in the same slot?
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11:37<Halitech>vinicius, does the card work in any other laptop?
11:37<vinicius>Halitech, i dont know, never tried anything on that slot before, how could i test it? the card works fine (im on a windows pc with internet connection throught it)
11:37<kapil>Lenhix: try "info" without a command it should give you a directory of stuff on which info has information.
11:38<Halitech>vinicius, you say the card is not reseatable, is it built into the motherboard then?
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11:38<vinicius>Halitech, and i dont have any other card at the moment to test :(
11:38<Lenhix>It did, although the list is pretty short
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11:39<vinicius>Halitech, Oh no.. sorry by the misunderstoodment... i tried to reset the card a few times... nothing worked actually
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11:39<Halitech>vinicius, ok, then if the card works in another system but does not work in the other system, I'd say possible issue with the slot
11:40<enouf>Lenhix: file:///usr/share/doc/info/README.gz ?
11:40<Halitech>vinicius, maybe check and see if laptop-detect is install
11:40<vinicius>Halitech, i guess the slot is being detected by lspci since i installed debian here, but nothing happens on dmesg when i insert the card
11:41<Halitech>vinicius, did you use a pcmcia card connected to an external cd rom?
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11:41<vinicius>Halitech, maybe its this lspci output: 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f2)
11:41<enouf>try pcmciautils?
11:42<Halitech>vinicius, use pastebin to show us the entire lspci output
11:42<vinicius>enouf, i tried that before...
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11:42<enouf>also ... hrm .. some setting in the BIOS to disable?
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11:42<vinicius>Halitech, wait some (have to paste and copy the output through usb drives) :)
11:42<Halitech>vinicius, okay
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11:43<enouf>might the wifi card need firmware? though i don't know how/if the system would 'see' it anyway .. though i think it would ..
11:43<enouf>seems you need some modules missing, not loaded perhaps?
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11:43<vinicius>enouf, ive seen some tutorials of how to make it work on linux, my only problems seems to be the detection itself
11:44<tuxcrafter>if there some kind of trick to get flac and ogg in qoud libet of lenny , i have installed gstreamer ugly and bad and good
11:44<vinicius>enouf, can be the modules
11:44<cahoot>quodlibet-plugins ?
11:45<cahoot>err aptitude show quodlibet says: Supported formats include MP3, Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, Musepack (MPC), WavPack, and MOD/XM/IT
11:46<vinicius>heres the lspci:
11:46<vinicius>Halitech, enouf
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11:47<tuxcrafter>cahoot: hmm the info dialog does not say flac is supported, but i appears my flacs are corrupted!
11:48<tuxcrafter>my default tools wont play them to
11:48<tuxcrafter>and an other album with flac do indeed work
11:48<Halitech>vinicius, last 2 lines show you have a wired and wireless connections, what is the output of ifconfig -a?
11:48<tuxcrafter>so problem solved kind of
11:48<enouf>vinicius: is your pcmcia card line 26 or 27 or neither?
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11:48<enouf>vinicius: seems you have stuff - nex-gen of pcmcia
11:49<vinicius>Halitech, enouf, i guess these are my ethernetcard and built-in wireless card
11:50<Halitech>vinicius, so you have a builtin card and a pcmcia wireless card?
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11:51<enouf>vinicius: <vinicius> hi! im trying to connect a wireless pcmcia card on my laptop (in the slot where we usually keep the remote control). <== are you referring to Bluetooth? or Infrared?
11:53<vinicius>Hlitech, the laptop has a wireless card.. but im trying to connect through a pcmcia sony ericsson card from a mobile phone company
11:53<vinicius>enouf, i dont know if this is bluetooth or infrared, i dont think so
11:54<Halitech>vinicius, do you have the model number?
11:54<vinicius>Halitech, *
11:54<vinicius>Halitech, sony ericsson gc86
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11:54<U-boot92>hello everyone
11:55<U-boot92>yesterday I worte a bug report
11:55<U-boot92>using the program
11:55<U-boot92>the problem is that I haven't received any mail
11:55<U-boot92>and my bug is not listed in the site of bts
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11:56<U-boot92>have I done anything wrong?
11:56<koollman>U-boot92: it's probable that the bug report wasn't send, then.
11:57<koollman>I'm not sure how it sends bugs. I think it send a mail
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11:57<U-boot92>yep it does send mail
11:57<gl0in_>Halitect: yes poweredge860 rack mount
11:58<koollman>so maybe there is something about it in the /var/log/mail.log at the time you sent it
11:58<U-boot92>koollman, reportbug said the mail was sent
11:58<U-boot92>I will see
11:58<Halitech>vinicius, open a terminal and run this cardctl info
11:58<Halitech>gl0in_, are you sure it has a sound card?
11:59<U-boot92>koollman, nothing in mail.log
11:59<vinicius>Halitech, sorry, but how can I do this? :)
11:59<gl0in_>that was something i was trying to understand, i browsed all the web to find deatiled specs about it... but nothing
11:59<Halitech>vinicius, open a terminal and type in cardctl info
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12:00<Halitech>gl0in_, normally server racks don't have sound cards ... do you have the system there? physically look at it and see if there are audio jacks
12:00<gl0in_>there is also asterisk running on it.... doesnt asterisk needs an audio chip to work?
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12:01<vinicius>Halitech, i see... sorry.. cardctl = pccardctl? pccardctl info returns nothing
12:02<gl0in_>no audio jacks....
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12:02<gl0in_>asterisk works without audio hardware?
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12:06<vinicius>Halitech, ?
12:07<Halitech>vinicius, I'm not sure what to tell you, either the card is not working or there is something about it that is not allowing it to be detected
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12:07<Halitech>gl0in_, I'm not sure what the requirements are for asterix so couldn't tell you
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12:09<vinicius>Halitech, ok... thanks anyway...
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12:13<morph_>U-boot92: you have to configure reportbug to use a working MTA
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12:16<gl0in_>ok thanks anyway
12:16<newsense>can anyone recommend a program to associate with an ap at boot, i have wireless-tools but it doesnt auto associate, i see theres waproamd ifplugd and wpasupplicant which is better ?
12:16<gl0in_>c ya
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12:16<newsense>just basic wep on this wlan
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12:17<ehnvis>newsense: depending on your wm/de try wicd (gui tool which is real nice)
12:17<newsense>was kinda looking for non gui
12:18<cahoot>wpasupplicant works for me
12:18<newsense>something thatll run in the bg and make the association at boot
12:18<cahoot>wpasupplicant is easily run from interfaces
12:18<newsense>cahoot, i wouldnt need wireless-tools anymore if i use wpasupplicant correct ?
12:19<newsense>ya i need interfaces integration cahoot
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12:19<newsense>supports wep too id imagine ?
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12:19<cahoot>that's my understanding
12:19<newsense>cool im gonna install it
12:20<cahoot>newsense: run it from cli until you got a working setup
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12:20<newsense>ok cool im sure ill be asking another ? in a little bit gonna read the man now
12:21<cahoot>newsense: look into /usr/share/doc/wpa...
12:21<newsense>cahoot, thanks
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12:26<Halitech>does k3b cache files somewhere when its burning?
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12:27<Gathond>Halitech: probably only in ram
12:28<Halitech>Gathond, ok, just curious cause I was using k9copy to make a backup just now and k9copy closed while it was burning in k3b and the files in the directory are gone but its still burning
12:28<Gathond>Halitech: not as such a problem
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12:29<Gathond>Halitech: linux (well unix in general) does not actually delete an open file when you delete it in the filesystem
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12:29<Gathond>the actual data is there untill the last filehandle to the file has been closed
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12:30<chealer>Halitech: ask #debian-kde
12:30<Halitech>Gathond, well, seems there was a problem, it just gave me an error saying file doesn't exist
12:30<Halitech>Gathond, /usr/bin/genisoimage: No such file or directory. cannot open '/home/daryl/.kde/tmp-debian-desktop/k3bVideoDvd0/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_3.VOB'
12:30<Gathond>Halitech: ok, then it is proably an issue in that case
12:31<Gathond>it all depends on whether k3b has opened all the files before starting to burn the data or not
12:31<Halitech>Gathond, yeah, it probably didn't have that vob file in memory yet so thats why it failed
12:31<Gathond>well I would expect it to only keep X MB in the memory buffer, not the entire disc
12:32<Halitech>Gathond, would be hard to keep 4gig in memory when I only have 1gig of ram and swap wasn't being used
12:32<Halitech>Gathond, oh well, lesson learned
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12:36<Lenhix>Uhm, I'm using wine to run Winamp. First I got an error about arial.ttf, so I created a symlink to the msttcorefonts dir; that was ok. Now Winamp can't find any audio output device, why could it possibly be?
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12:36<Lenhix>Do I have to enable the KDE sound system? or install ALSA or OSS or one of these?
12:37<Halitech>Lenhix, why not use xmms2 or another native app?
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12:45<enouf>Halitech: k3b in it's preferneces allows you to set where it's /tmp/ is
12:47<Halitech>enouf, normally its not a problem, I think where k9copy was outputting the info and was set to clear temp directory on closing that caused the issue
12:48<enouf>oh .. i missed the k9copy bit
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12:48<Halitech>enouf, yeah, havent used it in the past so wasn't aware that closing it would delete the files I was trying to burn
12:49<Halitech>enouf, I thought I had unchecked that option on that particular backup but I guess I didn't
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12:49<enouf>Halitech: no worries, i'm still trying to figure out how to tell DeVeDe to use an ISO for authoring :-P
12:50<Halitech>enouf, you want the output to be an iso or you have an iso and you want to use files in the iso?
12:50<enouf>i mean, i've even manually loop mounted it to be able to feed it a VOB only or VIDEO_TS or whatever
12:51<enouf>i have a 7.4G ISO of a movie, i want to reauthor/reburn it to DVD
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12:52<Halitech>enouf, use k9copy there is an option to use a directory or iso and it will automagically select the correct compression rate to have it fit on a 4.7gig dvd
12:52<enouf>and naturally, they are split into 1.xG Files .. but you know how they attach to each other .. and shit .. but whatever .. see this;
12:53<enouf>Halitech: devede is supposed to do the same - and more lightweight
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12:53<Halitech>enouf, yeah, thats what the .bup files are for I think
12:54<Halitech>enouf, never tried that in devede, I've only used it to create iso's for burning
12:54<Halitech>enouf, but is lightweight any good if you can't figure it out? ;)
12:54<enouf>Halitech: well .. it's not high on my agenda anymore :-P
12:55<Halitech>enouf, try k9copy, it only takes about 35 minutes on my machine to get it ready to burn and another 10 to burn
12:55<newsense>enouf, thanks for the tips on wpasupplicant got it to associate now to figure out how to integrate with interfaces
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12:57<enouf>Halitech: i'm on a pII .. do the math :-P
12:57<enouf>newsense: no prob ;-)
12:57<Halitech>enouf, ugggg, okay I have a P4 1.8 with a gig of ram so would probably be looking at about 4 hours
12:58<Pepper>what is the release plan for d-i r2? looks like all is puzzled a bit at the moment. watching #d-r which looks hard work is done. but dates would help planning tests for me.
12:58<enouf>Halitech: kernel compiles take ~1.5-2hours here
12:58<Pepper> doen't say anything usable too..
12:59<Halitech>enouf, I've never done a kernel compile :O
12:59<enouf>Halitech: using the make-kpkg method (Debian way) .. i bet that p4 is using pc133 RAM even :-P
12:59<enouf>Halitech: i found a 1.7G p4 in the trash and stole the pc133 out of it, and threw it into my p2 O_o
12:59<Halitech>enouf, 1 stick of pc100 and 2 of pc133
12:59<enouf>haha .. yerp!
13:00<Halitech>enouf, what was wrong with the board that you didn't try to use it?
13:00<enouf>Halitech: i got me 512 (1x256 + 2x128) all pc133 . even though it's running at 100 due to FSB
13:00<Halitech>enouf, well I got the board, cpu and a 256meg of ram for 40.00 cnd so can't complain
13:00<enouf>Halitech: i will - it's resting in storage atm :-)
13:01<Halitech>enouf, ahh, got ya
13:01<enouf>this system was already working, and was hungry for RAM ;-)
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13:01<Halitech>enouf, aren't all systems hungry for ram? ~L~
13:01<cahoot>hungry and you fed it 512?
13:02<enouf>cahoot: nay - i had 384 in it prior
13:02<Halitech>enouf, if I hadn't just spent 100 on a toshiba satellite 1800 laptop I would have been buying a new board and stuff
13:02<enouf>swapped one 128 for a 256 or something like that
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13:04<enouf>that extra 128 helps though .. along with things like
13:04<enouf>vm.overcommit_ratio = 75
13:04<enouf>vm.overcommit_memory = 2
13:04<enouf>vm.swappiness = 10
13:05<Halitech>enouf, I can remember when having 128 was a big deal
13:05<enouf>oh crap - my swap hadn't gone over 84K for weeks ... all of a sudden, i open some bloated browsers and some PDFs and WHAMO! .. i'm up to 176M O_o
13:05<EmleyMoor>I have some strange things happening to sound on my USB headset
13:06*enouf thinks about running an echo 3 to drop_caches :-P ... and some other nefarious moves
13:06<EmleyMoor>Twice now I've had a "trumpeting" sound followed by a "ding". It was also implied that the device was busy on one occasion
13:07<mordy>can fsck check ntfs?
13:07<enouf>Halitech: thing is .. this OEM piece of shinola always said it wouldn't accept more than 128M sticks, so 384 total ... HAH!
13:08<enouf>Halitech: i can max this puppy out at 768! ... even win98 will have trouble :-P
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13:08*enouf hides
13:08<petemc>my 2 main machines are p3s with 128meg ram
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13:08<EmleyMoor>The "ding" seems to be audible on calls on my asterisk box too
13:08<petemc>nt4 desktop runs perfect, and this box that i irc from runs debian well too
13:08*enouf also has a p3 w/128
13:08<mordy>i'm going to try and install debian on a p2 thinkpad
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13:08<mordy>with 192MB
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13:08<enouf>it has Xpoop pro on it .. no ServicePacks .. it's zippy, but a 6.4G disk? O_o
13:09<mordy>but i'm wondering if i should use that HDD, it's pretty noisty
13:09<enouf>i can't even install a decent DVD drive and watch my DVDs over the LAN cause it's a slimline sucker
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13:09<enouf>cdrom in there now .. compaq deskpro thingy
13:10<fluor>hi there - is there such a thing as aptitude --without-recommends with apt-get? I specifically need to use the latter
13:10<enouf>EmleyMoor: are you using konsole?
13:11<enouf>EmleyMoor: i mean, are you referring to system sounds?
13:11<chealer>Pepper: ask #debian-boot
13:11<enouf>maybe monty python is coming to town?
13:11<EmleyMoor>No - or at least I shouldn't be
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13:11<EmleyMoor>Closer to euphonia than trumpets actually
13:12<enouf>fluor: newer Apt have recommends enabled via default .. do you need to manually do it? or do you want to disable recommends?
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13:14<EmleyMoor>It is the "Login" sound but what's triggering it?
13:14<enouf>Hey .. does anyone know offhand how to stop dpkg (the Bot, not the pkg manager) from working when you know you've made a mistake?
13:15<enouf>EmleyMoor: stop logging in all the time :-P
13:15*EmleyMoor cancels a setting made in despair the other night
13:15<mordy>i think you tell it to "forget" whatever the "command" was
13:15<enouf>EmleyMoor: i heard gdm has a SESSION_TIME or something you can set - try gdm-setup?
13:15<mordy>!forget me
13:15<dpkg>mordy: i didn't have anything called 'me' to forget
13:15<EmleyMoor>enouf: If the problem remains I will
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13:16<cahoot>sounds like the bot has a deep disturbance wrt self awareness
13:16<mordy>!me is hungry
13:16<enouf>or atleast hit the man page - or /doc/
13:16<enouf>mordy: it's ok, it's done
13:17<mordy>i wonder if this drive is in good condition, it's making a really annoying high pitched sound
13:17<mordy>but maybe that's what 20GB 2003 2.5 HDDs do
13:18<Halitech>enouf, sounds like the toshiba I just bought, has 2 slots and supposedly maxes out at 512 but says it will take 512 sticks ~L~
13:18<enouf>mordy: and that's not what i meant - for example, i entered 'recommends' (rather than listvals/keys) and it started updating it's database, when i was looking for a <recommends> factoid
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13:18<enouf>Halitech: laptops have 1 or 2 slots only .. OH .. haha
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13:19<enouf>Halitech: i bet they're not lying though ..
13:19<mordy>how about !^C ? lol
13:19<Halitech>enouf, I know, I'm lucky this one has 2 but would be nice to know if 512 is the max or 1gig, maybe it will take a single 512 or 2 256 to get to 512
13:20<fluor>enouf: thanks, I need to manually do it in a script
13:20<enouf>Halitech: well .. i can't guarantee it, but i think they set my limit b/c MPoop told them; "NO NO win98 will puke with more than 512, you cannot support more than that!"
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13:20<Halitech>enouf, never thought of that but you have apoint there
13:21<enouf>fluor: have you seen the newer apt-get man page?
13:21<mordy>how fast is the computer anyway? too much memory will actually give you increased latency
13:21<fluor>enouf: ah, using -o should fix it, I guess
13:21<enouf>fluor: i know aptitude can use -R to mean --without-recommends, IIRC
13:22<fluor>enouf: what about skipping all debconf questions then?
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13:22<enouf>fluor: do you want to maybe preseed an installation?
13:22<enouf>fluor: otherwise dpkg-reconfigure debconf
13:23<newsense>thanks again enouf got my box connecting to my wlan at boot now :)
13:23<dpkg>i heard \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
13:23<mordy>badblocks is stalling, what is that supposed to mean?
13:23<barnes>mordy please tell me how "too much memory" adds latency?
13:23<fluor>enouf: well, I wanted to specify it on the command-line too
13:23<enouf>newsense: were you the one that needed modprobe options? or maybe just adding your module to /etc/modules did it?
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13:24<enouf>fluor: well . .. running the Debian-Installer? or what?
13:25<enouf>fluor: poke about in /usr/share/doc/apt/ perhaps - you're being too vague for me
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13:25<enouf>fluor: here's an example preseed file - taken as a link from the Installation Guide
13:26<fluor>enouf: thanks
13:26<fluor>enouf: I actually just want to feed options to vapt-get
13:26<fluor>enouf: to operate apt-get in a vserver context
13:26<fluor>enouf: and I need it not to install recommendations, and to skip debconf configuration questions
13:26<fluor>(aka set debconf question priority as high)
13:27<enouf>forget vserver context, what i'm asking is this during a base-install context?
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13:28<fluor>enouf: no
13:29<mordy>barnes, i guess i meant to say that large modules can have higher latency, but i could be wrong
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13:29<mordy>but it essentially depends on how the memory is being managed, from my understanding
13:31<enouf>fluor: then i can only gather the dpkg-reconfigure command to reset debconf to critical priority
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13:32<mordy>badblocks has just printed like 40 sequential block numbers, i'm guessing those are bad blocks?
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13:32<enouf>mordy: halitech ... one thing to be aware of, crap Halitech left? is DRAM density .. older systems will upchuck on high-density DIMMs
13:33<enouf>mordy: heh .. well duh?
13:33<mordy>enouf, it's my first time using badblocks
13:33<enouf>i never even had to use it
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13:35<fluor>ok, -o 'APT::Install-Recommends=0;' already does the first trick
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13:37<mordy>i was just googling for halitech, thought it was a company of some sorts, then realized it was a nick here
13:37<mordy>i'm slow todauyu
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13:39<mordy>well great, badblocks won't even respond to a ^C
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13:42<melkart>when i use aptitude or apt-get, it always takes more than 5 secs to resolve the host of the archive, no matter which mirror i use. i have ipv6 on my system disabled (because i have to)
13:42<Hughes>Hello, using "soundconverter" to convert a .m4a file to .ogg. Does anyone know which plugin I need to do this?
13:42<Hughes>I believe the plugin could be from the gstream plugins
13:42<melkart>should i report this as a bug against aptitude?
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13:46<fxiny>installed opera 9.63 on my etch , f* sucks
13:46<fxiny>i'm surprised
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13:48<fxiny>operaplugin wrap uses 85% of my cpu
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13:49<enouf>fxiny: wha!?!?!
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13:50<arestus>hi can anyone tell why cant i install python 2.5 on debina 4.0
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13:51<EmleyMoor>How are you trying and what happens?
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13:51<stew>arestus: what happens when you run "aptitude install python2.5"?
13:51<fxiny>enouf: yes , i'm shocked , not used opera since ages
13:51<enouf>fluor: i just put; APT::Install-Recommends "false"; into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends (or for etch, use /etc/apt/apt.conf)
13:51<arestus>i found a tutorial that i put a link ina my software properties..a ftp and http server..and apt get update
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13:52<arestus>and then..
13:52<arestus>there is a procedure...but my debian after that gone nuts..
13:52<enouf>fluor: but you did mention scripting it... so ..
13:52<arestus>i installed it from the start
13:52<arestus>and need to go all over again any advice
13:52<arestus>i have phyton 2.4 now
13:53<stew>arestus: if you want to install python 2.5, run "aptitude install python2.5"
13:53<arestus>i will try it now :) if i means it crashed
13:53<stew>arestus: that should install /usr/bin/python2.5
13:54<arestus># aptitude install python2.5
13:54<arestus>aptitude: No such file or directory
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13:54<stew>arestus: that's odd, but you could use apt-get instead of aptitude
13:54<arestus>it saz its not there
13:55<fxiny>can't be
13:55<arestus># apt-get install python2.5
13:55<arestus>apt-get: No such file or directory
13:55<fxiny>arestus: apt-cache policy python2.5
13:56<arestus> Installed: (none)
13:56<arestus> Candidate: 2.5-5+etch1
13:56<arestus> Version table:
13:56<arestus> 2.5-5+etch1 0
13:56<arestus> 500 etch/main Packages
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13:57<fxiny>enouf: oh btw , i've done pam today , tomorrow i'll check shorewall-perl :P
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13:58<enouf>fxiny: ooo .. very nice .. i hope to be doing Pam later on tonight :-)
13:58<fxiny>pam ain't changed like did fromsarge to etch
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13:58<fxiny>enouf: you know ? i feel i'm not using pam like i should
13:58<fxiny>pam docs are hard to find
13:59<fxiny>enouf: Pam ? hahahah
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14:00<fxiny>enouf: *she* will do you and you'll be dead on sunday afternonn by the time abro will log in:P
14:00<enouf>fxiny: :-p
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14:01<fxiny>enouf: las pam i tried was pam_tally , gogmagog reported mostly redhatta stuff , but i managed to set it right on etch
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14:05<Pepper>chealer: thx.
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14:05<lpzara>hej i got disconected
14:05<fxiny>blame the riaa :P
14:05<lpzara>i was on question on python 2.5 :) to many copy paste
14:05<fxiny>lpzara: or Shark Aussy ;P
14:06<lpzara>Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) this the last error when i try to install
14:06<fxiny>lpzara: are you arestus ?
14:06<lpzara>you know how to fix yes iam
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14:07<arestusa>so can you help me fix this
14:07<fxiny>the easiest fix ever . run it as root : aptitude -s install python2.5
14:07<fxiny>arestusa: your sources are ok
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14:08<arestusa>Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
14:08<arestusa>Would download/install/remove packages. this is what it sad :)
14:08<mordy>i know this is not necessarily the place for this question, but is it possible that an older bios (circa 2000) won't even detect a HDD?
14:08<arestusa>when itry
14:08<arestusa>that command
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14:09<fxiny>arestusa: -s stands for simulation , don't worry , nothing will be installed . go on
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14:09<arestusa>there is nothing to go on :) wait
14:09<enouf>mordy: sure ... some have LBA issues and such .. or, it's the drive's jumpers are incorrect or missing
14:09<fxiny>if you are happy drop the -s and just aptitude install it
14:09<arestusa>you see
14:10<arestusa>i tried
14:10<arestusa>Need to get 4230kB/4424kB of archives. After unpacking 15.3MB will be used.
14:10<arestusa>Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
14:10<arestusa>Would download/install/remove packages.
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14:10<mordy>enouf, yeah
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14:10<enouf>mordy: some might even upchuck without using an 80wire cable
14:10<arestusa>did you get it
14:10<mordy>thanks - both were true in that case lol
14:10<arestusa>copy paste
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14:10<mordy>it was a 2.5 HDD, so i didn't thihnk there were any jumpers there in the first place, but there were
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14:11<mordy>i'm trying to migrate a windows installation as well as a new debian installation to that disk
14:11<fxiny>arestusa: it shoud print : Need to get 4230kB of archives. After unpacking 14.8MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] , you press Y
14:11<arestusa>come to pvt
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14:11<enouf>arestusa: remove the -s to actually do it ...
14:11<fxiny>arestusa: all windows taken . stay in chan
14:12<arestusa>ooo i need to remove s.
14:12<arestusa>iam such a noob sorry guys.. il try now
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14:14<fxiny>mordy : older bios can see a 20G no porbs , up to 30G
14:14<mordy>fxiny - this is a 30G - but it's detecting it now - after removing the jumpers and lba flag
14:14<arestusa>Setting up python2.5 (2.5-5+etch1) ...
14:14<arestusa>is this ok
14:15<arestusa>thats the last line
14:15<fxiny>mordy: mine is a 30G too , i have a spare mighty 4G orignal "grind as a rat" model :P
14:16<arestusa>i managed to install it..thnx :) so happy now3
14:16<arestusa>thnx to all
14:16<mordy>i'm trying to move a windows installation, it's a bitch to do
14:16<fxiny>arestusa : enjoy your debian box :)
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14:17<arestusa>iam debian fannnn to the grave :)
14:17<arestusa>can i have one last question..
14:17<fxiny>mordy: why ? windoze 98 ?
14:17<mordy>fxiny - windoze 2k
14:17<mordy>which is actually quite decent
14:18<Bushmills>was that "to the grave" meant that literally that you come with last question now?
14:18<arestusa>lol hahha
14:18<arestusa>i love you guys
14:18<Bushmills>"last orders please"
14:19<fxiny>mordy: why don't you just load it on a vmwarez ?
14:19<arestusa>iam looking for the thing now so i know what iam talking about
14:20<mordy>fxiny, firstly i've never used vmware, secondly windoze will be the primary operating system on the target computer, and most importantly, it's a p2 650 Mhz
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14:20<fxiny>mordy: how much ram ?
14:20<fxiny>not enough
14:20<Gathond>mordy: you want to move a windows installation from one set of hardware to another?
14:21<arestusa>iam looking for this..and how to install it :) Ultamatix 1.8.0-3 Screencasts
14:21<Gathond>I've never had any success with that, granted the last one I tried was NT4
14:21<mordy>gathond, same hardware, different drive
14:21<Gathond>ok, that might work
14:21<fxiny>mordy: you can do it then
14:21<fxiny>stick it on the second hd
14:21<fxiny>first partition
14:21<mordy>microsoft probably has some kind of security measure in place to make sure people don't copy it
14:22<Gathond>I doubt that, not in 2000 anyway
14:22<arestusa>so can anyone help with Ultamatix 3
14:22<fxiny>not with nt5
14:23<mordy>and would i still be able to dual boot with debian on that disk? mount the /boot partition on the first partition as well?
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14:23<mordy>without lba
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14:23<fxiny>mordy: is it on a small hd ? why don't you just leave it there ? tell grug to load it
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14:25<mordy>ok, i guess i'll just copy the install from the old hd onto the new hd - would it make a difference if the target were fat32?
14:25<mordy>and the original one ntfs
14:25<arestusa>what does this mean error:dependency is not satisfiable:phyton2.5-gtk2 pls help
14:26<fxiny>arestusa: are you running debian ?
14:27<fxiny>ulta someting 3 seems ubuntuesque
14:27<fxiny>lemme see again
14:27<arestusa>iam on debian..fxiny
14:28<fxiny>arestusa: right , so why you want that thing ?
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14:28<arestusa>google earth :) firefox..Picasa :) all that stuff..are on saz on its web page or i maybe wrong
14:28<arestusa>is there another way
14:29<fxiny>of course
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14:29<arestusa>me happy now
14:29<mordy>what's the best way to copy data from a messed up hd?
14:29<fxiny>messed up ?
14:29<mordy>it's got a lot of bad blocks and makes funny noises
14:30<fxiny>no dd then : it will copy all s* over . ddrescue will do it better
14:30<arestusa>so..whats the other way... fxiny :)
14:31<arestusa>iam andrea..(arestus) is my dog lol nice to meet you all
14:31<fxiny>arestusa: you just did it : aptitude or apt-get , if you have a single package : dpkg -i <packagename>
14:32<arestusa>but lets say i download firefox he has 2 tar.gz files i dont know wich one to install i know it sounds stupid but i dont know how
14:32<arestusa>aptget for google earth saz non exitant
14:32<fxiny>arestusa: firefox 3.0.5 ?
14:33<fxiny>on etch ?
14:33<arestusa> yea
14:33<fxiny>arestusa: i'm running it , i'm moving to lenny over the weekend hopefylly
14:33<arestusa>heh :)
14:34<arestusa>how did you install it
14:34<fxiny>arestusa: lenny will be the next debian stable . you are running etch now wich is the current stable
14:34<mordy>fxiny - so something like dd_rescue /dev/sdb1 backup-file should do? then what do i do? mount that file and copy its contents to the new hd?
14:34<arestusa>aha.. :)
14:35<fxiny>mordy: if you have badblocks you are doomed
14:35<arestusa>so you thik ultamatix is bad right..
14:35<fxiny>arestusa: is bad for you
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14:36<mordy>well, i'll see how much dd_rescue will help
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14:36<mordy>i really don't know if the badblocks will affect me that much
14:36<fxiny>arestusa: because debian does it better
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14:36<mordy>the partition is largely unused, and the badblocks were at the end of the disk
14:36<arestusa>i get that..but i dont know the name of the packages so i cant apt-get manual
14:36<mordy>of course it depends where windoze placed the files
14:37<arestusa>and thats a prob
14:37<fxiny>arestusa: apt-cache search <your search>
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14:37<arestusa>aha.. :) i learn alot today hier
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14:37<fxiny>arestusa: apt-cache show <package>
14:37<Rizha>hey you know what linux save my ass
14:38<fxiny>mordy: dump it on the destination partition/device
14:38<cahoot>don't visit such clubs
14:38<arestusa>so thats the way how its done..
14:39<arestusa>whats with that servers thay say you put in software properties is tha treally need to be done
14:39<mordy>fxiny, i guess i can resize the target partition after it's been restored from hd1
14:39<fxiny>arestusa: man apt-get , man aptitude or just type aptitude and play , you might like it
14:39<mordy>i'm gathering there's another way to do that though
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14:39<mordy>and i also don't know what to do in respect to the fact that the target partition is fat32
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14:39<fxiny>mordy: yes you can
14:41<mordy>dd_rescue: (warning): /stuff/backup-file (4668992.0k): File too large!
14:41<fxiny>mordy: why are you using a backup file ?
14:41<mordy>fxiny, because i can't have both devices connected at once
14:42<fxiny>i see
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14:42<fxiny>mordy: pipe it to gzip
14:42<fxiny>mordy: dd ... | gzip -c9 > file.gz
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14:45<fxiny>mordy: way back : gunzip -c file.gz | dd of=/dev/ice
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14:46<mordy>fxiny, or i can resize the partition before i back it up? or would that not be a good idea
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14:46<mordy>the partition is 20GB whereas only 4gb of that is being used
14:47<fxiny>basd idea
14:47<jacek_mend_ptrasd>hello everybody, anyone knows where to get the source of the debian installation scripts? the ones used during the setup.
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14:48<fxiny>mordy: must be the same or bigger , dd is dumb , you can use dump or partimage to skip unallocated space
14:48<apostle>problem with how to subscribe to a packages bug reports...I am familiar how to subscribe to a bug but I want to subscribe to all reports...
14:48<mordy>and for some reason debian is using 1.5GB worth of buffers in my RAM, i'm guessing that's because dd_rescue encountered errors
14:49<fxiny>mordy: but in your case (read badblocks) i'd use ddrescue
14:49<mordy>Mem: 3958 2395 1563 0 1585 139
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14:51<fxiny>mordy: have to go . good luck
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14:51<apostle>never mind I found the correct page :)
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15:01<Woet>How can I install the 32 bit version of a package on a 64 bit server?
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15:09<kop>I've got a Hifn Inc. 7955 Security Processor (it does encryption accelleration in hardware). Short of benchmarking, then physcially removing the device and benchmarking again, how do I tell if it's working?
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15:11<EmleyMoor>I'w still being plagued by out of the blue Login sounds
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15:12<Woet>How can I install the 32 bit version of a package on a 64 bit server?
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15:12<EmleyMoor>Woet: Generally opeaking you should install it in a chroot
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15:13<kop>EmleyMoor : Due to libaries?
15:14<EmleyMoor>kop: Yes, that is at least part of the reason
15:16<barnes_>how do i get my desktop user to be able to mount usbdevices without root permissons?
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15:18<cahoot>barnes_: no gnome for you?
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15:19<barnes_>cahoot it complains about permissions for my user need to be super user
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15:20<cahoot>barnes_: you mean mount and not write perms?
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15:21<cahoot>barnes_: I ask since usbdevices are automunted here
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15:27<barnes_>cahoot dident get it to automount since my user is not a super user i think it said
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15:28<cahoot>barnes_: do you use gnome?
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15:30<cahoot>barnes_: gnome-vlome-manager installed?
15:32<cahoot>barnes_: try system->prefs->removable devices
15:32<EmleyMoor>No luck still - surelyi this thing logs errorsZ
15:33<cahoot>barnes_: try system->inst->flyttbara
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15:34<barnes_>it says it chould auto mount removable devices
15:35<cahoot>barnes_: and they don't get automounted?
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15:37<barnes_>cahoot no my desktop user seems to have a permisson problem or something
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15:38<newsense_>barnes_, maybe adduser user plugdev ?
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15:39<cahoot>barnes_: groups <user> would tell what groups you are member of
15:39<barnes_>cahoot barnes dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev
15:40<cahoot>barnes_: and still usb devices don't get automounted?
15:41<cahoot>barnes_: you could add a line in fstab for each uuid
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15:45<barnes_>cahoot mmm but this is the first time in 3 years i needed a usb stick in this box so im to lazy atm =)
15:45<barnes_>but thanks for your accistance
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15:55<Guest339>ah bon
15:56<Guest339>alors !!
15:56<Guest339>y a quequn
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15:58<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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16:19<mmi>aol reject emails, have somebody a solution? tks
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16:20<simonrvn>mmi: use a non-dynamic smarthost, like your isp's server.
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16:25<Hughes>Wondering if anyone here uses RTorrent---I'm trying to get started using it.
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16:48<chahibi>Is there a difference between font rendering in Ubuntu and Debian?
16:48<chahibi>or is it just an illusion
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16:49<metalqga>better ask in #ubuntu, they are the ones who change debian
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16:57<bono>is that posssible to play dvd under linux up to 60x speed
16:57<bono>like WINDVD
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17:02<jacek_m>gsimmons: thx a lot! that's a roger :)
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17:12<Memphius>i could use a bit of help
17:13<Memphius>iam trying to install kde 4.1 as it saz on their page
17:13<Memphius>i added the deb ftp i http
17:13<Memphius>but when i give the command apt-get install experimental name of the package
17:14<Memphius>it saz dependencies or soemthing like that
17:14<Memphius>is wrong
17:14<Memphius>so i cant install it
17:14<Memphius>pls help
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17:14<Memphius>i have debian etch
17:15<Memphius>can anyone help me pls
17:16<Memphius>anyone :(
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17:17<Lenhix>mmh, could you paste your sources.list on a pastebin service?
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17:17<mykhi>hello, im having problem with turning on (remotely) vino-server (vnc) it keeps saying that it cant open display. anyone knows this?
17:17<Lenhix>did you update the repository list after editing the sources.list?
17:17<Memphius>dont know how :)
17:17<Lenhix>I mean: did you did "apt-get update"?
17:17<Memphius>i did do apitget update
17:17<Memphius>i did
17:18<avu>Memphius, the instructions from the debian kde team are for lenny and sid, not for etch
17:18<Memphius>there was for etch..but i need to have deb experimental
17:18<Memphius>i did that :)
17:18<Memphius>and nothing
17:18<avu>no, ther isn't
17:19<avu>not from the debian kde team
17:19<throughput>i have a proble with debian...
17:19<Memphius>so can you help me install it your way please good sir
17:19<avu>and packages from experimental won't work with etch
17:19<avu>you don't install kde 4 on etch.
17:20<Memphius>i cant install kde 4
17:20<throughput>apt-get install package autentication... anyone have the same problem?
17:20<Memphius>what can i do then is there any versiion to install
17:20<Lenhix>You could upgrade to lenny, but that potentially implies future compatibility issues with the programs you have already instaleld
17:20<avu>there might be third party packages somewhere but I doubt it's feasable without basically upgrading to lenny
17:20<newsense__>Memphius, upgrade to lenny
17:21<Memphius>ok guys tell me how to upgrade to lenny :(
17:21<avu>!tell Memphius about etch->lenny
17:21<Memphius>tell avu dont get it
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17:22<Lenhix>Memphius: where are you installing KDE4? your home pc?
17:22<avu>Memphius, read what the bot wrote you and follow its instructions to upgrade to lenny
17:22<Lenhix>Be aware that other software might be affected by the upgrade
17:22<Memphius>my laptop
17:22<newsense__>than read the link i gave ya
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17:23<avu>those, again, are for *lenny*, not etch.
17:23<Memphius>il try ..iam afraid a bit
17:23<Memphius>to tell the truth
17:23<Memphius>but ill try
17:23<tombar>Hi, how can i list from which repository each installed package is
17:23<avu>well, just be sure to have a proper backup handy :)
17:23<Memphius>dont have one do.just install from scratch again..haha
17:24<Lenhix>uhm, I think that's hard to know, tombar
17:25<tombar>so, should i care about it ?
17:25<Lenhix>If you use a lot of "non-standard" apps, perhaps
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17:25<Lenhix>But I install everything from
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17:27<Lenhix>I actually don't know how to do that, but as I use official repositories I think I don't have to worry about that
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17:31<tombar>my problem is i got a old etch server im going to upgrade and i wish to know if apache, mysql are installed from official repos or from dotbed ones...
17:32<upsy>tombar: i know synaptic lets you see that...don't know about anything else though
17:33<tombar>not an option, no X server running on it :)
17:34<seanius>tombar: apt-show-versions will help i think
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17:35<Memphius>hier goes nothing
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17:37<Memphius>Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
17:37<Memphius>dpkg-dev recommends build-essential
17:37<Memphius>Score is -1739
17:37<Memphius>whats that
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17:39<Memphius>i started aptitude install dpkg aptitude i need to press yes on this
17:39<Memphius>or no3
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17:41<Memphius>can anyone tell me just yes or no
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17:42<Bushmills>!eightball what's it going to be?
17:42<dr|z3d>Memphius: Yes or No. What's the question?
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17:43<dpkg>i heard beer is liquid gold mate
17:43<Memphius>Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
17:43<Memphius>dpkg-dev recommends build-essential
17:43<Memphius>Score is -1739
17:43<Memphius>Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]
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17:43<Memphius>yes or no
17:43<Bushmills>!eightball now what
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17:43<dr|z3d>Always yes.
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17:43<Memphius>ok thnx
17:43<dr|z3d>aptitude will tell you if it can't fix.
17:44<nasso>does anyone know if i can use apt to see if my files have changed since i installed them using apt?
17:44<nasso>rkhunter is giving me warnings
17:45<dr|z3d>If in doubt, reinstall the packages in question, perhaps, and then re-run rkhunter
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17:46<nasso>it seems like my box have been hacked. i dont know how i could happen! shit.
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17:47<dr|z3d>nasso: Might be false positives. Might also be running a clamav scan.
17:47<mykhi>hi, im having problem with turning on (remotely) vino-server (vnc) it keeps saying that it cant open display. anyone knows this?
17:47<dr|z3d>*be worth running
17:47<nasso>rkhunter complains about file properties being changes and its on su, login, lastlog, newgrp, passwd etc
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17:47<dr|z3d>nasso: Ooh. Interesting.
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17:48<nasso>dr|z3d: yeah. its just the "important" apps that has warnings
17:48<nasso>rkhunter doesnt find rootkits though
17:48<Lala>jó estét
17:48<nasso>chkrootkit finds nothing
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17:49<Lala>valaki tudna segiteni egy kezdo linuxosnak?
17:51<dr|z3d>Lala: Please speak English if you require help.
17:51<nasso>dr|z3d: do you know much about stuff like this?
17:51<nasso>how should i check to see if im compromised? :P
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17:52<dr|z3d>nasso: All I can say is that those modifed files don't look good.
17:52<dr|z3d>mykhi: Try tightvncserver or perhaps specify a display for vino-server
17:53<mykhi>dr|z3d: im trying to specify a display for vio-server (all apps) but having difficulties
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17:55<dr|z3d>mykhi: There's also x11vnc as an alternative, if you want to vnc into an existing desktop.
17:55<sampablokuper>I'm having some trouble getting exim working on Lenny. Is this an ok place to ask for help?
17:55<dr|z3d>sampablokuper: Sure. Ask away!
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17:56<mordy>is there a program that would give me a graphical representation to the physical usage of my hd?
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17:58<chealer>nasso: more or less (debsums)
17:58<sampablokuper>dr|z3d, thanks. It's pretty much a new Lenny installation. I want to use a smarthost, and to have local mail. The machine won't be a relay or send mail directly. I've used dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to set things up, and I think I've set up /etc/exim4/passwd.client correctly, but every time I send a message it gets frozen.
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18:00<nasso>chealer: ok. thanks
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18:00<sampablokuper>Dreamhost is the smarthost for the mail account I want to use when sending non-local emails. I've tested that the account is working by setting up Thunderbird (not on the Lenny machine, on a WinVista laptop) to send and receive messages, and this worked fine. But the lenny box is having trouble...
18:00<nasso>i have looked through the output of last and it shown nothing out of the ordinary and rkhunter doesnt report that as changed. thats positive :)
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18:02<mykhi>dr|z3d: x11vnc wont start either (cant connect to display)
18:02<sampablokuper>I'm new to configuring MTAs on linux, so I'm not sure what to do next. PS. I'm using Mutt as my MUA for the time being.
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18:02<dr|z3d>mykhi: Make sure you have the display correctly specified in the client. or similar.
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18:03<mykhi>well i did export DISPLAY=:0.0
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18:06<aetheria_>mordy: yes there is
18:06<sampablokuper>Er, anyone have any suggestions?
18:08<dr|z3d>mykhi: The client.. not the server.
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18:08<mykhi>but im connected with ssh on server, and i want there to run vnc
18:09<aetheria_>mordy: gdmap, kdirstat, xdiskusage, filelight, ...
18:09<mykhi>vncserver i mean
18:09<mykhi>not on client side
18:10<mordy>aetheria_ that represents disk usage in terms of blocks and sectors?
18:10<dr|z3d>mykhi: I'm saying when you connect with the client, be sure to specify a display in the address. eg
18:10<aetheria_>!tell mordy about apt-cache
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18:12<mykhi>but im im understanding correclty i cant connect with vnc-client because vnc-server isnt on?
18:12<mykhi>if im*
18:12<mordy>seems like something that merely helps me organize my files and directories - i'm looking to see whether the bad blocks on a disk are actually in a region where there's data
18:13<aetheria_>mordy: hmm. i know stat gives inode info for a file, and ls -i also does
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18:14<EmleyMoor>What events exactly would trigger the playing of the login sound? I am plagued by unexpected sounds
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18:15<aetheria_>mordy: you can also man debugfs and see if it helps
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18:16<sampablokuper>Anyone here good with exim? I've looked at the exim website and wiki for help with the problem I mentioned above, and haven't found anything that's got me any further than I've described :(
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18:17<mordy>aetheria_ - i'll do that, i'm also looking into what an inode is exactly, it's related to what i want, but the inode itself doesn't help me much
18:18<aetheria_>sampablokuper: did you dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config ?
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18:19<aetheria_>sampablokuper: and also read docs in /usr/share/exim* ?
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18:19<sampablokuper>aetheria_, no, I didn't. Wasn't aware of that option but have just looked it up. Thanks for the tip!
18:19<mordy>another problem is that the disk i want to get information on isn't ext2, it's ntfs
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18:20<aetheria_>maybe try #windoze then.
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18:21<aetheria_>there is ntfs3g and associated utils
18:21<sampablokuper>aetheria_, dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config didn't cause any options to be displayed that weren't displayed normally :( Will read through the docs you've pointed me to. Thanks :)
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18:22<aetheria_>sampablokuper: i didn't see any question you had
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18:23<aetheria_>sampablokuper: if you only want to be able to send/relay mail from mutt through your isp mail server, msmtp is an exellent choice
18:24<Bushmills>not ssmtp?
18:24<mordy>aetheria_ found it - ntfscluster
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18:25<aetheria_>msmtp does more i believe
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18:27<aetheria_>e.g. in .muttrc you can have "set sendmail="/usr/bin/msmtp -a" and then define in a stanza in your .msmtprc
18:28<aetheria_>i use this with multiple "profiles" (accounts) that i activate in mutt using custom macros key commands
18:29<aetheria_>all the macro does is associate a key sequence like CTRL-P-D with command ":source ~/.mutt/profile.default"
18:30<aetheria_>the profile.default just has the "set sendmail" line above, plus changes the from header for that account accordingly
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18:30<aetheria_>and i can still have postfix running for local system mail, etc.
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18:32<sampablokuper>aetheria_, oops, was looking at the docs and didn't notice your last few messages. Will get back to you shortly. Thanks!
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18:34<mordy>i guess i'm going to have to get used to waiting hours and hours when dealing with a physically messed up disk
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18:34<aetheria_>if sectors are going bad, back it up immediately
18:35<Khwerz>hi, hmm my pc is freezing is that debian related?
18:35<mordy>aetheria, i'm trying to do that
18:35<aetheria_>do a full rsync of it onto a good disk. don't boot from it - boot from a resuce disk like knoppix.
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18:35<aetheria_>do not run from the filesystem on the disk
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18:35<mordy>that's the problem, it hangs when i'm trying to back it up, and i'm trying to back it up - now using sdd
18:35<Khwerz>or what could be the cause of those errors
18:36<mordy>which appears slightly quicker than dd_rescue or ntfsclone
18:36<aetheria_>mordy: yes, i've had it take many, many hours for copy operations to complete on failing disks, but they did eventually complete
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18:37<mordy>aetheria -- what's really disheartening is when you don't see any progress reports, even with all the -v options on
18:37<aetheria_>mordy: hmm, sdd though is a low-level copier. i don't know why you wouldn't just use a high-level one like rsync
18:38<mordy>let me look that one up ;)
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18:38<aetheria_>if bits are corrupted in a file, its not going to copy anyway. why not leverage the benefits of the overlying filesystem when copying the data?
18:39<aetheria_>(i could be wrong however)
18:39<mordy>aetheria, what i'm trying to do here is move the installation from the old disk to the new disk
18:39<mordy>and i'm under the impression that high-level filesystem utilities will alter something windoze won't like
18:40<aetheria_>mordy: i would just mount them both under knoppix and use rsync to mirror it, e.g. rsync -av ...
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18:40<petemc>aetheria_: have you ever tried to do that to a damaged fs?
18:41<aetheria_>mordy: i think that might have been more of an issue with fat
18:41<aetheria_>petemc: yes
18:41<petemc>and it didnt bomb out?
18:41<aetheria_>petemc: not damaged, no. bad blocks on disk but the fs was still ok and mountable
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18:42<petemc>certainly with dodgy hardware most tools will choke, which is why you use things like dd_rescue
18:43<mordy>so far i've counted 70 sequential bad blocks on this
18:43*aetheria_ takes note for future reference
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18:43<mordy>the thing is that this disk is mainly empty, so i'm wondering whether all the raw copy is for naught, since it may be trying to read a portion of the disk which is empty or zeroed or whatever
18:44<mordy>5GB usage on a 20GB drive
18:44<petemc>and can dd_rescue not take an image of fit?
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18:45<mordy>well, it's taking an image of it now, but is stalling a few minutes for each bad block
18:45<sampablokuper>msmtp looks nice, but exim is more standard, right? Also, I want software that reports over email to be able to work via the smarthost (i.e. without using mutt). Not quite sure how to do that with msmtp... Ideally, I'd like to get exim working, but failing that I'll try msmtp.
18:46<mordy>which is why i tried sdd and try=1 in hopes that it wouldn't try so much to recover those bad blocks
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18:48<sampablokuper>thanks for the suggestion, though! I'm ploughing through the exim logs and verbose output ATM, trying to make sense of them 8)
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18:49<mordy>would doing something like dd .... | tail | gzip ... > backup give me some kind of progress indicator (even if it's garbage, it would at least show me something is going on)
18:50<mordy>well, that wouldn't work i guess, since it woudn't print it to the screen, which is what i want
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18:53<petemc>sampablokuper: what do the logs say?
18:53<mordy>here's some cool binary garbage: "Й9gΞ3gξOH"
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18:54<mordy>russian and green and the number 9
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18:56<newsense__>check that out if ya want to create a progress indicator
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18:58<mordy>yeah, but it won't help in my case since i'm doing binary garbage
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18:58<dpkg>[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
18:59<mordy>i'd need a more complicated script which would need to count all the characters in the block device (i.e. all the binary garbage) and that would probably take a while
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18:59<southafrikanse>after modprobe iw3945 what should I do?l
18:59<petemc>mordy: why does binary data feature so prominently in your computer use?
19:00<gmyras>Hello, i'm trying to run ltp on debian etch and i get an error FATAL: missing scenario file /usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/runtest/fs i've installed via apt ltp ltp-commands-test ltp-disc-test ltp-kernel-test ltp-misc-test ltp-network-test and ltp-tools also i'm running kernel
19:00<mordy>does it? well, i guess i enjoy the feature of character or block device binary since it gives me the best indicator of whether something is actually 'happening'
19:00<gmyras>anyone have any ideas how can i fixt it ?
19:00<mordy>i don't use it that often, although i remember asking how to clear the terminal - but that's just coincidence
19:00<petemc>you asked a few days ago about how to reset your terminal after binary data was printed to it
19:02<mordy>yeah, was wondering where you'd get that impression - lol
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19:04<mordy>i really just want to learn a bit more, and while manuals and the like are helpful, they really don't compensate for actual experiences
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19:05<petemc>there are very few things that rival real experience
19:06<gsimmons>southafrikanse: Configure your interface as appropriate. See
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19:08<mordy>gah, i thought this was supposed to tell me which files are in which sector - but i get this (from ntfscluster) "
19:08<mordy>Searching for sector 22749209
19:08<mordy>Error reading inode 3985.
19:08<petemc>i use ontrack for recovering from ntfs formatted drives
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19:09<southafrikanse>gsimmons, it's already working xD
19:09<southafrikanse>I had to install iwlwifi-firmware
19:10<aetheria_>sampablokuper: i use postfix + stunnel in the same way
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19:12<mordy>is ontrack in debian?
19:13<petemc>no, its commercial software
19:13<mordy>that's the first thing that came up in google
19:13<petemc>i do a lot of recovery in my day job, so bought it
19:14<petemc>some, less scrupulous people, warez it
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19:16*D1ablo look at hmself in the mirror trying to see whats funny
19:17<mordy>before youo came in, d1ablo
19:17<mordy><petemc> i do a lot of recovery in my day job, so bought it
19:17<mordy><petemc> some, less scrupulous people, warez it
19:17<petemc>it may come as a surprise to you, but people were talking before you joined
19:17<D1ablo>just kidding guys , i was trying to make a joke
19:18<petemc>im just surly, ignore me
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19:20<mordy>if i want to stop the sdd and resume at a later point, i'm gathering to use sdd if=.... iskip= - the question is what do i put in iskip
19:22<mordy>and i guess oskip= too - stdout is directed to gzip
19:23<nullmoore>hey. having trouble mounting a dvdrw. not sure if i'm specifying the right device and options
19:23<nullmoore>cds automount, but the dvds don't do anything
19:24<mordy>could be the dvd type
19:24<nullmoore>i burned them on this same drive, but i was using windows
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19:24<mordy>probably you need -t iso-something
19:24<petemc>mostly, if it doesnt guess it, it wont work
19:25<nullmoore>:( okie
19:25<petemc>did you try mount /mnt/sdN /mnt/foo ?
19:25<petemc>rather than relying on automounting?
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19:27<sampablokuper>petemc, the logs look like this for one delivery attempt:
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19:28<aetheria_>$ nslookup; server; >; ** server can't find SERVFAIL
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19:28<sampablokuper>sousdesk.lan is the local hostname of the lenny system
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19:28<nullmoore>yeah. that's what i was trying to do
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19:28<mordy>for something funny, click on dpkg's second link here:
19:28<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. or
19:29<petemc>sampablokuper: you used debconf to configure exim for use with a smarthost, and edited /etc/exim4/passwd.client ?
19:30<petemc>nullmoore: right, then as i said, in my experience specifying a fs with -t foo wont help
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19:31<sampablokuper>petemc, I used dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. It didn't ask me for the full username or the password for the smarthost, so I put those into /etc/exim4/passwd.client - was that the right thing to do?
19:32<sampablokuper>Should I run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config again, and talk through the options I've chosen, so we can see if I've made a mistake with one of them?
19:32<aetheria_>ah i was using wrong dns
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19:32<mordy>well, finally ntfscluster found something: Inode 10486 /WINNT/ServicePackFiles/i386/shdocvw.dll/$DATA
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19:32<petemc>sampablokuper: that part should be easy, what did you put in passwd.client?
19:32<petemc>(minus the password, obv)
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19:35<sampablokuper>petemc, my passwd.client looks like this: (I should note that the Dreamhost smarthost requires the full '' to specify the user: 'root' is insufficient.)
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19:36<sampablokuper>thanks for looking into this, btw, all :)
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19:40<petemc>sampablokuper: you have mails still on the queue? mailq will show if you do
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19:43<sampablokuper>petemc, yes, 1 in the queue. I deleted the rest to make debugging easier.
19:43<petemc>you can try to deliver that in debug mode
19:43<petemc>exim4 -d -M msgid
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19:44<sampablokuper>petemc, you read my mind :) I'm anonymising the output now & will post it to pastebin shortly :)
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19:46<mordy>i'm wondering if maybe it's something in the kernel or otherwise that's causing a delay on each read error
19:46<mordy>which is why dd and its variants are going so slow with this
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19:47<petemc>working with broken disks generally is slow
19:47<mordy>[142965.507633] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
19:47<mordy>i'm looking at this in my dmesg
19:48<mordy>i'm wondering if i should do that, and whether this change will be permanent
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19:48<mordy>eh, i'll try it
19:49<mordy>seems convincing enough
19:49<aetheria_>sysctls are not permanent unless you put them in /etc/sysctl.conf
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19:50<mordy>i'm also getting about 5 of these lines after each io error (again, from dmesg) [147285.123051] usb 5-1.4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 22
19:50<mordy>(the disk is connected via usb)
19:51<sampablokuper>petemc, here's the output of 'exim -d -M <messageID>':
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19:52<mordy>debmed:/home/mordy# cat /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_warnings
19:52<mordy>is this supposed to be the amount of warnings i've received? lol
19:53<petemc>sampablokuper: do you have root.mysubdomain instead of root@subdomain ?
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19:57<sampablokuper>petemc, can you explain what you mean? I don't quite understand, sorry :(
19:58<petemc>lookup yielded:
19:58<sampablokuper>petemc, ah, I think I follow. A typo in the passwd.client, perhaps...
19:58<petemc>do dreamhost really have you authing as root?
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20:01<sampablokuper>petemc, that was indeed a typo in the passwd.client: I should have used root@ instead of root.
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20:01<mordy>smartctl hangs when reading the disk too :(
20:02<sampablokuper>So the mailq is empty now :) But...
20:02<petemc>smart doesnt work well with usb
20:02<sampablokuper>Now I have a new problem: my message wasn't accepted by gmail
20:02<petemc>mordy: the more you mess with a broken disk, the more broken its likely to get
20:02<petemc>to the point when it doesnt work at all
20:02<petemc>sampablokuper: ?
20:03<sampablokuper>I'll anonymise the 'Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender' message and post it to pastebin.
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20:07<mordy>petemc, apparently it's been broken for a while, at least a year or more - it's been making this funny noise, but i always just thought it was the laptop and not the HDD until i finally put it in a different computer
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20:08<sampablokuper>petemc, so what happened was this. I corrected the . to @ in passwd.client and sent the message again. It left the queue on the lenny box and reached gmail, which rejected it. Gmail's rejection message reached dreamhost, which is running the smarthost. I checked the inbox on the smarthost using POP3 from Thunderbird under windoze and saw the following message:
20:08<sampablokuper>I think the rejection is to do with the fact that the hostname of the lenny box is different to the hostname of the smarthost. I'm not sure how best to get around that...
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20:10<petemc>sampablokuper: thats not an error from gmail?
20:11<sampablokuper>Oh, and in answer to your earlier question, dreamhost don't "have me authing as root" exactly. I just set up a mail account for . The idea is that ultimately every user on my lenny box will be able to have an email address of the form, it's just that the first user I'm trying to get running is root.
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20:12<sampablokuper>petemc, sorry, is that a question or a statement? (Confused)
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20:12<petemc>sampablokuper: gmail isnt the one who refused your mail, its []
20:12<sampablokuper>Ah, oops. I misunderstood.
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20:13<sampablokuper>So that's the dreamhost smarthost refusing the mail.
20:13<sampablokuper>It didn't get as far along the chain as I'd hoped :(
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20:15<sampablokuper>Still, do you think I'm right that the rejection is due to the difference between lines 14 & 15? (I.e. that sousdesk.lan received the message rather than
20:15<sampablokuper>In other words, what should I troubleshoot next :D
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20:16<petemc>sampablokuper: i think im still unclear as to your setup
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20:17<petemc>sousdesk.lan is your debian machine, and you're trying to use exim on that to auth to your dreamhost box?
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20:20<sampablokuper>petemc, that's correct. Dreamhost is basically just acting as a smarthost (and DNS host, I guess, for and as far as this is all concerned.
20:21<petemc>sampablokuper: and other clients from where the debian box is authing against the dreamhost smarthost can send to gmail?
20:22<sampablokuper>So exim on the debian machine is acting as a client rather than a server (except that I also want it to deliver local mail between accounts on the debian machine)
20:22<sampablokuper>Sorry, that wasn't an answer to your q
20:23<sampablokuper>If I use Thunderbird on my windows laptop, I can send email to - I have confirmed this.
20:24<petemc>using dreamhost as a smarthost?
20:24<petemc>do you have the log of exim passing the mail to dreamhost?
20:25<sampablokuper>dreamhost hosts the mailserver for (which just has the SMTP address
20:25<sampablokuper>I should have that log.
20:25<sampablokuper>Lemme look :)
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20:25<petemc>can you be careful with your obfuscation
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20:29<sampablokuper>petemc, I'm trying to be consistent. Did I mess up somewhere?
20:30<petemc>probably not, i just found it hard to grok what was going on, that might be the drink tho
20:30<sampablokuper>The debugging output from the command that sent that message (exim -d -M <messageID>) is here:
20:30<sampablokuper>grokking the glug ;)
20:30<sampablokuper>Thanks for all your help, btw.
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20:31<petemc>it looks to me like the mail you had on the queue was a bounce, which did get passed to dreamhost, but then gmail didnt accept it
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20:32<petemc>so i guess that denied error was from gmail, tho it didnt say as much in what you posted
20:33<petemc>now that it works, try to send another message that isnt a bounce from mailer-daemon, see how that goes
20:33<sampablokuper>petemc, the exim log for the act of sending that message is here:
20:33<petemc>yeah, that part is working
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20:35<sampablokuper>Whoa, it looks like that came through to gmail...
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20:36<petemc>all good
20:36<sampablokuper>Thanks a bundle, petemc
20:36<petemc>no bother
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20:37<sampablokuper>Woohoo! Now I can finally sleep easy. That's been bugging me all day (I'm still new to MTA config) :)
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20:49<sampablokuper>petemc, sorry, one last question. Everything seems to be working as expected now, except that local mail for root gets routed to a different user's mailbox. I seem to remember reading somewhere that this is normal (i.e. root doesn't receive local mail by default), but I can't find the reference now, so I just want to check if I remembered correctly. Thanks!
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20:50<petemc>exim4 -d bt root
20:50<petemc> /etc/aliases decides where root goes
20:52<sampablokuper>bingo. in /etc/aliases, root is aliased to that user (the one who's receiving root's local mail). So presumably I can change that if I need to in the future :) Thanks again!
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21:25<victor>hi all ,, saluton !
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21:40<rock>my dhcp3-client doesn't set default gw automaticly
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21:44<victor>boa noite a todos
21:45<angasule>boa noite
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22:43<paveq_>anyone using firefox 3 with etch, in 64 bit environment?
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22:54<sampablokuper>I'm having difficulty hooking up some drives that contain a RAID 5 volume. I think one of them might have had some boot record stuff written to it by accident when it was in my old PC, and I'm trying to move the whole volume to the new PC. The trouble is, with the RAID5 drives connected, the new PC won't boot (gives busybox). Without them, it boots fine.
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22:55<sampablokuper>Anyone here feeling up for the challenge? :)
22:56<sampablokuper>I'm not exactly sure where to begin troubleshooting this one...!
22:57<sampablokuper>I should mention that the RAID 5 volume was created with mdadm
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22:58<sampablokuper>Don't all rush at once :)
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22:59<sampablokuper>I've got as far as booting into rescue mode using a Debian install disk, but now that I'm here, I'm not sure what to do next.
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23:01<sampablokuper>Hmm, maybe I should sleep on this one...
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23:08<south>hello. I have a stupid question. How can I change globally my icons on the desktop in gnome? They are huge :|
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23:19<paddy>south: what do you mean by 'globally' changing icons?
23:19<paddy>for all users on the system?
23:20<paddy>you could create 1 user config as you like it and copy the config directories from ~ to /etc/skel
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23:21<paddy>so every time you 'adduser' its taken from there
23:21<south>paddy, I mean not changing the icons one bt one
23:22<paddy>i am sorry, i think i dont understand
23:23<south>paddy, imagine you have two icons
23:23<south>on your desktop
23:23<south>they are big
23:24<south>If I go with the right button of my mouse and stretch the icon
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23:24<south>I will only change that icon
23:24<south>And not the other one
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23:30<paddy>south: sorry, i am lost in space :*)
23:30<richard>any one here?
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23:32<south>just ask your question richard
23:32<richard>I need help some one is dying here!
23:32<D1ablo>richard> contact PCdoctor
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23:33<richard>Im on the 34th floor of the Bank of america
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23:33<south>call 911?
23:33<richard>something has struck the building
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23:34<D1ablo>richard> i hope u rnot a idiot
23:34<richard>im not joking
23:34<south>what do you expect us to do?
23:34<richard>we are trapped
23:34<mordy>most of us are probably halfway around the world from you
23:34<mordy>and really, we can't do anything
23:35<mordy>except maybe i think it may be a good idea for me to switch banks
23:35<richard>this is no joke please!
23:36<D1ablo>-:- BitchX: [richard!]:
23:36<D1ablo>-:- BitchX: IPs: []
23:36<richard>just kidding
23:36<south>richard, just pick up the phone and call 911. I'm in Portugal. How do you e
23:36<RIVE>Is this a joke?
23:36<mordy>it's not funny, it's a prettty lame joke
23:36<D1ablo>log forwarded to state security
23:36<richard>south you are from portugal
23:36<richard>i was joking
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23:37<RIVE>Not a good joke.
23:37<south>richard, I knew that. Can't I play along? :D
23:37<D1ablo>richard> explain it to them when the feds come knoking on your door
23:37<richard>south how is the whether there
23:37<south>a cold winter night
23:37<south>it's 4:37AM here
23:38<mordy>sounds more like "north" to me
23:38<richard>Diable are you deadd serious
23:38<D1ablo>Sat Dec 20 13:38:03 WST 2008
23:38<mordy>WST? where's that?
23:38<richard>Diablo this was just a joke
23:39<richard>you dont like jokes
23:39<richard>south are you white?
23:39<D1ablo>you don't joke with this kind of stuff, i beleived you and sent an sos to state emergency
23:40-!-south is now known as southafrikanse
23:40<richard>is there alot of racism there?
23:40<southafrikanse>richard, better nick for ya?
23:40<D1ablo>most probbly few state emergency resources sent to the bank
23:40<southafrikanse>richard, do you even know where is portugal?
23:41<richard>yes i do, thank you! It is in europe next to Spain
23:41<southafrikanse>FInally I didn't find an idiot
23:41<richard>Diablo, swear to god you did not call the authourities!
23:42<southafrikanse>richard, we are a peaceful country. There's racism everywhere in the world. In some places here there is
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23:43<mordy>this is certainly amusing
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23:43<richard>would you guys welcome me a jew
23:43<D1ablo>i did
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23:44<mordy>oy gevald
23:44<southafrikanse>richard, why don't? You're a jew? Who cares about that? It's your beliefs. Not ours
23:44<richard>thank you my friend!
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23:44<southafrikanse>got to go to sleep
23:45<richard>is everything in portugal made with egg?
23:45<richard>tudo fazem com Ovos?
23:46<richard>What about Pasteis da Nata
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23:46<richard>are you from Aveiro
23:46<bjk>anyone know whats up with
23:46<RIVE>Hi richard.
23:46<newsense>with wpasupplicant in roaming mode which ap is connected to first, one with most signal or first in the wpa_supplicant.conf or first in interfaces ?
23:46<southafrikanse>richard, I'm from the south of Lisbon
23:46<dr|z3d>bjk: Freenode net appears fine.
23:46<southafrikanse>richard, I prefer Pasteis de Belém :D
23:47<richard>How do they tastw
23:47<paddy>they taste like ... #debian-offtopic
23:47<southafrikanse>better than Pasteis de Nata lol
23:47<southafrikanse>paddy, sorry :D
23:47<richard>how about Arroz Doce
23:47<bjk>dr|z3d: it keeps disconnecting me after the initial connection. are you running an identd?
23:47<southafrikanse>Don't like it
23:47<D1ablo>richard> an advice for next time don't play with this kind of joke "i did not contact anyone" but imagine if i have
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23:48<southafrikanse>got to go. I'm feeling tired and it's late already
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23:48<D1ablo>night south sleep north
23:49<richard>I would be in trouble Diablo
23:49<richard>any one from brasil or portugal
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23:51<richard>hello ANYONE HERE!!!!
23:51<Valtiel-ASD>richard: what Diablo ?
23:51<Valtiel-ASD>2 ?
23:51<D1ablo>richard> am a VK6 and i do monitor emergencies channels as a volunteer
23:51<dr|z3d>bjk: Are you attempting to connect via proxy?
23:52<Valtiel-ASD>i'm playng to Diablo I with wine
23:52<Valtiel-ASD>and on menu just black screen
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23:52<richard>Diablo>So you are a worker of the United States
23:52<dr|z3d>bjk: And no, I block ident requests here.
23:52<Valtiel-ASD>i'm blinding push load and playng
23:52<D1ablo>richard> no am in OZ
23:53<bjk>dr|z3d: i've tried through tor and without
23:53<richard>you are in the Brittish Empire!
23:53<dr|z3d>bjk: If you're using Tor, you'd need to use the hidden service.
23:54<dr|z3d>bjk: /server mejokbp2brhw4omd.onion
23:54<bjk>dr|z3d: by connecting to, right? with torify i mean?
23:55<dr|z3d>bjk: No, not afaik. You NEED to use the hidden service to connect over Tor.
23:55<richard>any in portugal?
23:56<bjk>Unable to connect to port 6667 of server mejokbp2brhw4omd.onion: [-9]
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23:57<bjk>dr|z3d: without tor: * Closing Link: (Bad user info)
23:58<aetheria>debian's ifup/down system seems massively broken
23:58<aetheria>i have interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces which are clearly up, and yet ifupdown claims they are not
23:58<aetheria>it can't bring them up nor bring them down
23:59<aetheria>yet they obviously had to have been brought up by it initially
23:59<bjk>dr|z3d: the freenode FAQ says this error is returned when the servers are being attacked with a botnet or something. but its been this way for about a month or so. maybe nmore
23:59<D1ablo>aetheria> what ifconfig say?
23:59<aetheria>D1ablo: it shows them up
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