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---Logopened Sat Dec 20 00:00:02 2008
---Daychanged Sat Dec 20 2008
00:00<dr|z3d>bjk: I have no issues connectin to freenode. I suspect your config, somewhere, is borked.
00:00<aetheria>D1ablo: they are vde interfaces
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00:00<D1ablo>past your /etc/network/interfaces
00:00<aetheria>tap interfaces
00:00<xrm>Hello everyone
00:02<xrm>i was wondering if anyone could tell me what the difference between all the download options for debian are, like the alpha, amd64, hppa .ect are, or point me to where i could find that?
00:03<richard>xrm what country are you in?
00:03<richard>so what if i am not channel operator
00:03<xrm>i'm in the US
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00:03<richard>Xrm which state?
00:03<dr|z3d>xrm: The differences in the options you mention are related to the architecture of the system you're installing to.
00:03<aetheria>D1ablo: at boot kvm0 and kvm1 come up and appear in ifconfig, yet only kvm1 has a configured address for some reason.
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00:04<xrm>Ahh, i kind of figured that dr|z3d
00:04<richard>Xrm what processor do you have?
00:04<richard>If you have x86 you i
00:04<xrm>i'm not sure, its an 8 year old gateway laptop
00:04<xrm>so let me try to see if the sticker is still there
00:04<xrm>otherwise i'll have to turn it on
00:04<dr|z3d>i386 is what you'd want, xrm.
00:05<xrm>thank you
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00:06<richard>any Ubuntu user?
00:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:06<aetheria>richard: try #ubuntu on freenode. many there.
00:07<richard>all users please state your country
00:07<snogglethorpe>richard: er, why?
00:08<richard>I need to know
00:08<D1ablo>aethria> disconnect kvm1 off and see if kvm0 comes up
00:08<D1ablo>you might have conflict..maybe a delay between the two?
00:08<dr|z3d>richard: Keep your queries related to debian, please :)
00:09<aetheria>D1ablo: "$ sudo ifdown kvm1" "ifdown: interface kvm1 not configured"
00:09<aetheria>D1ablo: yet there it is in ifconfig!
00:09<richard>how people are not interested in XFCE
00:09<richard>how come
00:09<snogglethorpe>some people are
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00:09<dr|z3d>richard: I run Xfce.
00:09<D1ablo>oh dear we're having bit of a wild weather atm and we're having thunder storm
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00:10<aetheria>D1ablo: do you have a lighting rod?
00:10<richard>when i unistall Xfce does it remove most of the file?
00:10<dr|z3d>richard: Use synaptic, mark the file(s) for complete removal.
00:10<aetheria>guess he didn't
00:11<richard>how different is debian from Ubuntu
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00:12<dr|z3d>richard: In many ways, they're quite similar.
00:13<richard>what are the differances
00:13<dr|z3d>richard: The differences are philosophical as much as anything else.
00:14<snogglethorpe>ubuntu's website has pretty icons!
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00:19<snogglethorpe>wow that was fast!
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00:20<mordy>if i gunzip to a block device, will it extract the data on the target device, or will it extract it on my local machine
00:20<mordy>just want to know if perhaps i can make this dd operation a but quicker
00:21<snogglethorpe>mordy: if you use gunzip in a pipeline, it shouldn't hit your local disk
00:21<mordy>so something like gunzip... > block device?
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00:22<snogglethorpe>mordy: or gunzip | dd of=DEV ...
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00:22<mordy>but the dd operation is about 75% through anyway
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00:22<mordy>now i'll need to see if this windoze installation woeks
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00:22<snogglethorpe>(i dunno whether there's really all that much advantage to using dd these days in such a situation but maybe there is)
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00:23<mordy>i perceive dd as being more clean
00:23<mordy>and dabbling less with the filesystem etc.
00:23<mordy>well, in this context a pipeline would be better fr my purposes
00:24<mordy>dd is using quite a lot of CPU, don't know why
00:24<mordy>all 4 cores as well
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00:31<mordy>gah, now cfdisk hangs
00:31<mordy>my day isn't goind well
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00:53<dshuang>Hi, All. i have ATI3470 display card. in xorg.conf i found fglrx
00:54<dshuang>but i also find i installed xorg driver.
00:55<dshuang>can i only install one driver?
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00:56<dshuang>Besides, anyone knows how to remove fglrx driver?
00:56<dshuang>thanks in advance
00:57<dshuang>I use etch now.
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03:29<netsurf>are there any debian ppc #'s?
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03:31<@weasel>hmm. I thought there used to be
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03:32<netsurf>cant get my g3 mac to find the root filesystem with lvm :(
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03:44<gsimmons>netsurf: There is #debianppc on this network, you can try asking there.
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04:02<MotoHoss>surely by now the release push to the servers is over. I am still having trouble with anyone else having issues? (timeouts... etc?)
04:03<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: is a round robbin. Which machine are you having problems with?
04:03<MotoHoss>one sec
04:04<dondelelcaro>(and in general, using the mirror is kind of useless; pick a mirror which is close to you)
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04:05<MotoHoss>hmmm... never had a problem til a couple days ago.. wanted to make sure it wasn't on my end...
04:05<MotoHoss>couple days=6;
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04:05<dr|z3d>Sounds paniful, MotoHoss ;)
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04:06<MotoHoss>I'll hunt for a different mirror then. I just found it odd, since it had been so reliable...
04:06<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: it happens from time to time; no big deal
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04:08<MotoHoss>ok. so a week of 'timeouts' is... well... less than excellent but 'nominal'. ;-)
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04:08<MotoHoss>tx dondelelcaro
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04:12<dondelelcaro>well, not really nominal, but servers do go down from time to time
04:12<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: see if you want to know what's up
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04:18<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro: re your earlier question .. how do i go about figuring out which machine in the round robin I am using? nslookup gives me several...
04:18<MotoHoss>looking through that link you gave me now.
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04:22<MotoHoss>the date on that page says nov 26...
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04:39<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: is actually up to date
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04:40<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: but anyway, I'd suggest replacing with one of the mirrors in that RR which is close to you and is actually up to date according to that status page
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04:44<MotoHoss>I'll research that, and do that. that last page tells me what I needed. it doesn't explain it being problematic for a week though.... #24 and #25 .. thanks for your help dondelelcaro
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04:51<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: well, you'd have to ask the mirror operator; sometimes they go down
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04:51<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: if you let me know which of them you're having problems with (and if I'm having problems with them) I can ask them to be removed from the rotation
04:52<MotoHoss>hmm how do I go about finding out specifically... which one use the ip? I think the problem may be rr. I did a tracert and only one of them works well...
04:52<MotoHoss>rr meaning roadrunner my provider.
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04:53<SIM>anyone here ?
04:53<MotoHoss>like you said no big deal.. I can hunt down another mirror..
04:53<SIM>i need help
04:53<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: you could look at the dig; output, and then try each in turn
04:54<MotoHoss>ahh.. I should have thought about that.
04:54<MotoHoss>will do.
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04:56<blarson>!tell SIM about ask
04:57<SIM>whats ask ?
04:57<SIM>i have problems instaling ftp servers
04:58<SIM>i tried proftp and vsftp
04:58<MotoHoss>obviously there's alot I do not understand. dig returns a different set of ip's than nslookup...
04:58<SIM>i currentely trying vsftpd
04:58<And1>Heya. I can't upgrade my kernel image:
04:58<SIM>it just doesnt work
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05:00<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: it's that's the problem; I've talked to the relevant people, and it should be working now
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05:02<MotoHoss>SIM: I have a working vsftpd... I might can help with a few more details...
05:03<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro: I am running my update scripts now... I'll see what happens in a few minutes.
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05:03<SIM>MotoHoss do you have some time ?
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05:10<D1ablo>real 0m0.000s
05:10<D1ablo>user 0m0.000s
05:10<D1ablo>sys 0m0.000s
05:13<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro: failed 500 Can't connect to (connect: timeout)
05:15<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: yeah, mirrors is still in the RR; give it a bit to cycle out, or just wait
05:16<MotoHoss>I will wait. cron will do it this afternoon. I will be patient.
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05:24<And1>Anyone any idea why I can't upgrade my kernel image?
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06:12<ramoonas>hi all. I would appreciate a bit of help: i tried to backup mbr (grub) using "dd if=/dev/hda of=/nfs/hda.mbr bs=512 count=1" and then tried to restore it with "dd if=/nfs/hda.mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1", however system wont boot, it just hangs into infinite loop displaying GRUB GRUB GRUB
06:12<ramoonas>i dont see where my mistake is
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06:37<sephii>Hello everybody, I have a little question concerning sudo : is it advisable (=secured) to install sudo on a production server, or are there potential risks (if it's well configured) ?
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06:37<weasel>I use sudo everywhere.
06:38<darren>Hi its been a while since i have been in here. Any way a new problem as always, if any body could help. the sound on my system works perfectly with every thing besides youtube when i play a video in youtube the sound seems to stutter, does any one know what it could be, thanks in advance
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08:07<ramoonas>hi all. I would appreciate a bit of help: i tried to backup mbr (grub) using "dd if=/dev/hda of=/nfs/hda.mbr bs=512 count=1" and then tried to restore it with "dd if=/nfs/hda.mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1", however system wont boot, it just hangs into infinite loop displaying GRUB GRUB GRUB
08:07<ramoonas>i dont see where my mistake is
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08:09<kapil>ramoonas: looks like an idempotent action to me.
08:09<Tengu>partition table, maybe ?
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08:10<fxiny>must be something else , nothing wrong with your dd line
08:10<ramoonas>what do you mean idempotent?
08:10<ramoonas>sorry my english is not very good
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08:10<fxiny>partition table is bs=446
08:10<sasha999>hi , could somebody help please i can not use my debian anymore ; i explain my problem. Under a terminal or gnome , each application tht i want to launch with my user takes a lot of time to start (gedit, term, nautilus , ...), but under a root terminal it is opens direct
08:11<kapil>ramoonas: means that those two "dd" commands put together should have changed nothing in the first sector of /dev/hda
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08:11<fxiny>ramoonas: double check : ls -sh /nfs/hda.mbr
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08:12<ramoonas>on sec
08:12<ramoonas>one sec
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08:12<ramoonas>it says 4.0K
08:13<fxiny>seen ? you borked it
08:13<fxiny>should be 512
08:13<ramoonas>is it possible this happened due to transfer via nfs?
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08:13<fxiny>you zero out mbr prior to dd it
08:14<fxiny>you still have a backup ?
08:15<ramoonas>no i am just trying out, it is on virtualbox vm, so it does not matter if i brake anything, just want to learn how to backup mbr thats all
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08:15<ramoonas>so correct procedure should be, to copy mbr using dd
08:15<ramoonas>then zero it
08:15<ramoonas>and then copy it back
08:15<fxiny>nope !
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08:15<ramoonas>i am confused :)
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08:16<sasha999>ramoonas : you have two things in the MBR , the bootloader and the partition table
08:16<ramoonas>i used sfdisk to dump partitions to file
08:16<fxiny>ramoonas: your dd lines are ok . do it again , just dd if .. of and check if is 512
08:16<kapil>ramoonas: if you only backed up 512 bytes then it is likely that you didn't back up enough. Check the grub documentation.
08:17<kapil>often grub loads its stage1.5 into the sectors that precede the first partition.
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08:19<ramoonas>ok i will rephrase the question. I want to create a system image using partimage, but it seems it can just create images of partitions and no partition information no bootloader is backed up. So, question is what is the correct procedure to do that. I tried dd, sfdisk and partimage and that did not work
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08:20<sasha999>ramoonas : Copying partition with gparted then copying the 466 first bytes of the MBR
08:20<ramoonas>fxiny i tried dd again it still shows "4.0K test.mbr"
08:20<fxiny>iirc partimage can back the mbr up
08:20<fxiny>ramoonas: that's your problem . can't be 4.0 k
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08:21<Medice>how can i mount ntfs-partitions like Windows (C)
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08:21<fxiny>ramoonas: i use partimage and dd for the mbr
08:21<sasha999>ramoonas : if it does still not work chroot on you parition and rebuild grub
08:22<ramoonas>fxiny: but why does it become 4.0K
08:22<Medice>it is your mbr bootcode ramoonas
08:23<fxiny>ramoonas: just do this : dd if=/dev/hda of=mbr_backup bs=512 count 1 . then check this mbr_backup
08:23<ramoonas>512 bytes copied
08:24<ramoonas>if i use ls -sh it shows 4.0K
08:24<fxiny>ramoonas: sorry count=1 . it shoud spit out > 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.0229358 seconds, 22.3 kB/s
08:24<kapil>ramoonas: ls -l should show you 512
08:24<ramoonas>Medice can you elaborate?
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08:24<ramoonas>kapil it does
08:24<sasha999>fxiny: that copy won't be usable on another computer
08:24<sasha999>the bootloader is only on the 466 firs bytes
08:25<sasha999>then comes the partition table that is hard disk related
08:25<fxiny>ramoonas: oh f* it says 4.0k . try ls -al
08:25<Medice>and tzhat is copied in to the mbr_backup
08:25<ramoonas>so i should use bs=466
08:25<Medice>hmm 512 should be ok
08:25<sasha999>if you want to copy from one disk to another yes
08:25<ramoonas>fxiny dont be angry, you said yourself "<fxiny> ramoonas: double check : ls -sh /nfs/hda.mbr"
08:25<fxiny>bs=446 is for the partion table
08:26<fxiny>ramoonas: i know that , my bad
08:26<fxiny>still you havn0t seen any 512 bytes (512 B) copied, ...
08:26<ramoonas>i seen it
08:26<ramoonas>it is 512
08:27<sasha999>if you copy a backup MBR of 512 from one disk to another you will mess up everything
08:27<fxiny>sasha999: yes , it can't be used on a differend hd
08:27<ramoonas>-rw-r--r-- 1 ramoonas users 512 2008-12-20 15:19 test.mbr
08:27<fxiny>ok . you have your mbr , are you dumping it on a new hd ?
08:28<fxiny>if so : why ?
08:30<Medice>can anyone helpme to mount ntfs-3g partitions?
08:30<sasha999>hi does anybody knows why gedit ; nautilus , .... start normally uner root but as normal user it takes severals minutes
08:30<ramoonas>i want to try it out. I copied 512 bytes using dd to nfs location. Then backed up partitions using partimage. Then dumped partition information using sfdisk -d >. Then i shreded the disk. Then i restored partitions using sfdisk, then restored partitions then dd back mbr. Then reboot and nothing works
08:30<ramoonas>i think i did something wrong
08:31<ramoonas>just dont know what
08:31<sasha999>ramoonas : when you restore your mbr as you copied 512 bytes and not 466 you messed up your partition table with the old one
08:32<sasha999>the first 466 are the bootloader
08:32<sasha999>and the others except the twho last bytes are the partitoin able
08:32<Medice>try to make a backup with 466
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08:32<fxiny>first of all : partimage wants a >= target partition , if your target partition is > then the source you must rezize it or you loose space
08:33<fxiny>which brings the mbr in
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08:33<ramoonas>ok ill try
08:33<fxiny>dumping the mbr you are changing your target partition table
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08:34<fxiny>ramoonas: there is partimage server , never tried it ?
08:34<sasha999>hi does anybody know why application could take a lot of time to start with one user and are direct opening under root ?
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08:35<fxiny>i did it long ago with static partimage and partimaged
08:35<FGRCA>i am trying to install xsane "apt-get install xsane" but i get gnome dependency, i am using xfce, and i dont want install any gnome*
08:35<FGRCA>any ida ?
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08:36<ramoonas>fxiny, can partimage backup full drive?
08:36<FGRCA>libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0
08:36<FGRCA> libgnomevfs2-common libgnomevfs2-extra*
08:36<ramoonas>or jus partitions?
08:36<FGRCA>and more ...
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08:36<fxiny>ramoonas: yes
08:36<ramoonas>yes to which question?
08:36<FGRCA>using debian testing
08:37<fxiny>ramoonas: to the full backup
08:37<FGRCA>is possible install xsane without gnome* ?
08:37<fxiny>ramoonas: but i'm trying to remember another app partimage pased
08:37<ramoonas>but when i open partimage it tells me to select the partition, i cant find option to backup full drive
08:38<fxiny>ramoonas: browse to partimage site for docs
08:38<Bushmills>FGRCA: apt-cache depends xsane
08:38<fxiny>ramoonas: i use partimage , dump , mirrordir or dd for my backups
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08:39<fxiny>but there is one more
08:39<Medice>anyone has an idea to mount ntfs-partitions under linux?
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08:40<FGRCA>Bushmills, no gnome* in list
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08:40<Bushmills>FGRCA: that's right
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08:41<ramoonas>sasha999: bs=466 did not help
08:41<FGRCA>is depend to libgimp2.0 --> gnome*
08:41<FGRCA> :/
08:41<ezekyel>hi, ramoonas: why dont't you use grub-install to write the mbr?
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08:42<Bushmills>FGRCA: apt-get depends also works on libgimp2.0
08:42<fxiny>ramoonas: clonezilla
08:42<fxiny>never tried it
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08:44<jimi>ciao ho appena installato amule adunanza
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08:44<jimi>ma quando clicco sull launcher non parte
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08:44<jimi>help per favore!!!???
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08:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:46<abrotman>oh .. italian .. whoops
08:46<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:47<FGRCA>Bushmills, any idea ?
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08:49<Bushmills>FGRCA: apt-cache depends $(apt-cache depends libgimp2.0 | sed -n 's/^ *Depends: //p')|grep gnome ... also no dependency in one of the dependencies of libgimp
08:50<FGRCA>ok, but why i get this ?
08:50<abrotman>aptitude -R install gimp ?
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08:50<Bushmills>possibly from earlier selection, not installed yet?
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08:52<FGRCA>need to clear selections ?
08:52<FGRCA>dpkg --clear-selections
08:52<dpkg>FGRCA: are you smoking crack?
08:52<abrotman>you're trying to install xsane and it's pulling gnome ?
08:52<FGRCA>nop just tabac :)
08:53<abrotman>did you try the -R flag ?
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08:54<FGRCA>abrotman, yeah is work with -r :)
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08:55<FGRCA>thanks ab)rotman :
08:55<FGRCA>thanks abrotman : )
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08:56<FGRCA>but why -R ?
08:56<FGRCA>is work too with gimp
08:57<FGRCA>i dont have -R in "aptitude --help"
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08:59<FGRCA>ok, is found in man "--without-recommends"
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09:02<abrotman>FGRCA: yes .. -R is short for that
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09:10<terryx>anyone knows this one...????????
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09:10<terryx>when i open package manager, my ubuntu auto logg off
09:10<terryx>when i open package manager, my ubuntu auto log off
09:11<sasha999>hi can anybody help me to diagnose my problem please ; when a start any appication from the start menu it takes a lot of time to start
09:11<terryx>hey sasha99 check your system monitor
09:12<sasha999>terryx: but under a root terminal i don't have that problem
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09:12<terryx>u mean when u open terminal
09:12<sasha999>if i open terminal it takes one minutes to start
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09:12<sasha999>then if i connect as root
09:13<sasha999>and launch any aplications it starts directly (ex : gedit)
09:13<sasha999>but as normal user it takes a lot of time
09:13<sasha999>i tried to launch with LD_DEBUG=files but there is nothing abnormal
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09:14<abrotman>create a new user on the system and see if it still happens
09:14<abrotman>also try another DE/WM
09:14<sasha999>abrotman : i created one and i have the same problem
09:15<sasha999>but when i connect with that one in a erminal and try to launch a graphic app it says can not open display
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09:42<sasha999>does anybody have a M1530 dell laptop here ?
09:42<fxiny>you lost it ? :P
09:42<fxiny>sasha999: :))
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09:44<user01>is there a channel for debian openmoko?
09:44<sasha999>fxiny: no i copied my debian from a samung to it and now i have an extermely slow debian
09:46<fxiny>sasha999: why don't you install a fine lenny ?
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09:47<sasha999>fxiny: have too much application installed out of synaptic for my work
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09:48<fxiny>sasha999: synaptic ? do the set/get selection way or check out jablicator
09:49<sasha999>fxiny: will check but i really would prefer to find the problem
09:50<user01>weird the debian-openmoko group isnt even on the same server
09:51<fxiny>sasha999: prolly hd problem . try reconfiguring x
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09:52<sasha999>fxiny: under root terminal everything starts at the right speed but with a normal user it takes several minutes ever to start a simple terminal
09:53<fxiny>yes ? mv your desktop env home conf like mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old
09:54<sasha999>ho yes i ll try that
09:55<fxiny>or add a newuser
09:55<fxiny>sasha999: also check your home files permissions
09:56<sasha999>fxiny: no ; i have the same problem with a new user ; i f i do no find a solution i ll have to buy a new mouse cause i m smashing it too much
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09:58<user01>does debian have an official slogan?
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09:58*fxiny morphs into a jackal and suggests sasha999 a mouse free wm like xmonad or awesome
10:00<fxiny>user01: mmuch more : debian can slow down the sun when *voting* :P
10:00<fxiny>tommorrow is voting day . solstice ? yeahhh
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10:01<fxiny>ubu can only dream of such celestials omens :P
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10:03<abrotman>fxiny: wtf
10:03<fxiny>abrotman: yes ?
10:04<fxiny>abrotman: where's enouf ?
10:06<fxiny>abrotman: is busy editing Pam ;P
10:07<abrotman>NFC & DWK
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10:19<user01>fxiny, that is a vote?
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10:20<user01>fxiny, well it looks like my prediction for march might be a little too premature
10:20<mordy>what cp -options should i use if i want to copy a debian installation from one disk to another
10:20<mordy>or do i need any options at all?
10:20<user01>fxiny, if it slows down tohe sun
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10:21<fxiny>user01: probably we'll know it tomorrow
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10:22<Bushmills>mordy: -ax are good.
10:22<fxiny>mordy: or let mirrordir doing it
10:22<Bushmills>(assumes your installation - the part you want to copy - is on one single partition)
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10:23<mordy>the target is two partitions
10:23<Bushmills>target doesn't matter.
10:25<mordy>fxiny, i migrated everything from that crap drive
10:25<fxiny>mordy: the faulty one ? badblocks ?
10:26<mordy>i used ddrescue - the gnu one
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10:27<mordy>some stuff are broken - but it's not a big deal for me, besides i'm gathering it has more to do with MS' 'anti-piracy' features than a copy operation
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10:28<fxiny>mordy: i have dcfldd on my todo list , plus some dd options like conv-error and such . no time for it yet
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10:28<mordy>yet another dd variant
10:29<fxiny>iirc is some nsa alike stuff
10:29<mordy>forensics etc.
10:29<mordy>googled it
10:30<mordy>maybe it can recover some lost data from my drive that i so badly abused
10:30<mordy>but it has like a lot of scratches
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10:30<fxiny>mordy: i'm planning to use it with netcat
10:31<fxiny>lost data ? sleutkit
10:31<fxiny>mordy: anyway , is w2k still working ?
10:31<mordy>yeah, it's working
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10:31<mordy>surprised - word isn't working though lol
10:32<mordy>but i can always get openoffice for that
10:32<fxiny>mordy: and what about the hd ? have you checked it with smartmontools ?
10:33<mordy>well, i tried it yesterday and after waiting for like an hour, it gave me a message that smart wasn't supported by that disk
10:33<mordy>could be because it's connected via usb
10:33<fxiny>i see
10:33<fxiny>dunno that
10:34<fxiny>i don't think usb is the problem
10:35<mordy>well, maybe the drive is feeling a bit better now, let me try
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10:36<mordy>well, it tells me again that "Device does not support SMART"
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10:37<mordy>i wonder if there's a way to fix this other drive though, the surface is decent for the most part, but the heads are bent out of shape (don't ask how)
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10:39<Bushmills>mordy: common problem with consumer drives are worn out bearings
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10:40<mordy>bushmills, i know how this drive got messed up - i meant to say don't ask how because i'm a bit embarassed
10:40<mordy>i pretty much smashed the drive on the floor
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10:43<mordy>hmm so basically mirrordir -exclude /dir.../boot/ /dir/ /target-dir/ ?
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10:45<fxiny>why ? test --dry-run : mirrordir -tv /source /destination
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10:46<fxiny>you can see what it does , i like mirrodir cause i can forget all options . just plain morrordir
10:47<fxiny>is pretty fast
10:47<mordy>gah "mirrordir: .netrc: /root//.netrc: No such file or directory"
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10:48<fxiny>be careful : if you get it wrong it can delete stuff
10:48<fxiny>is not like cp
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10:48<mordy>well, there's nothing that i need on the target
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10:49<mordy>it won't touch the source unless i tell it to move something, i guess
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10:49<fxiny>that's why i run -tv
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10:49<fxiny>it will delete everything in destination dir
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10:50<fxiny>which is what i want
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10:53<mordy>wait, mirrordir doesn't appear to want to delete the source directory even if i wanted it to
10:53<mordy>don't see an ooption for it
10:53<fxiny>not the source but the destination
10:54<fxiny>why you want to delete the source ? you doing a backup
10:54<mordy>well, i want to move the boot directory to a different partition
10:54<fxiny>yes , i've done it
10:55<mordy>so i don't need it again in the current partition
10:55<fxiny>i have a / home only , cloned in a LUKS layer as /boot / and home
10:55<bremner>mordy: mirrordir src dest && rm -fr src
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10:56<fxiny>i use two + swap partition schemes for quick backups
10:56<Bushmills>or mount boot on dest, then mirror the whole lot
10:56<fxiny>that one
10:57<fxiny>mordy: boot goes on ext2
10:57<mordy>well, i can always format it
10:57<mordy>i need to do this later with my main computer
10:57<mordy>i've got everything on a single partition here
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10:58<mordy>but that means i'd need to backup my current install and delete it
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10:59<fxiny>you cloning ? tell intram where the new boot is
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11:01<fxiny>and cp the whole dir in the boot partition > /boot
11:02<fxiny>not just what is inside of /boot
11:02<mordy>what do you mean?
11:02<mordy>oh, for all the permissions etc.?
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11:04<fxiny>first time i just copied /boot/* in the new partition m i was wrong , then i copied /boot so in my new partition i have a boot dir
11:05<fxiny>your initram thinks boot is somwhere else
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11:05<mordy>well, i thihnk you can tell it to look elsewherwe
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11:05<mordy>but why bother
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11:05<fxiny>my problem was to create a cryptroot file in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d
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11:06<fxiny>with this line in : target=lukspace,source=/dev/hdb2,key=none
11:06<fxiny>cause hdb2 was the newly created boot partition
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11:07<fxiny>i never had such fun in the last three years
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11:09<fxiny>and guess what ? it worked ! the only problem was that damned wrong /boot cp
11:09<mordy>what's luks?
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11:09<fxiny>encryption layr
11:10<mordy>it often happens that i usually do the hard part correctly and then see something isn't working and trying to break my head over why
11:10<fxiny>is a long way but is worth it , good fun
11:10<mordy>and then i find out it's something simple
11:11<fxiny>i'll do it all again with lenny
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11:11<mordy>come to think of it, the only reason i'm installing linux on this computer is because i want to use it as a network bridge
11:11<fxiny>you know ? performances are good
11:11<fxiny>so why not ?
11:12<mordy>with encryption? but do you really need it?
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11:12<fxiny>i don't . but i don't need eyecandy either
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11:13<mordy>meh, that's the problem, i usually don't do things with a computer if it doesn't serve me a direct purpose
11:13<fxiny>and you know what ? i have kde on it , i use flux butn kde runs fine , 512 ram , i have a vmwarez as well and it runs fine too
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11:13<Bushmills>never mind "needing" - often know how gained by doing unneeded things becomes important at a later stage.
11:13<fxiny>Bushmills: that's right
11:14<mordy>yeah, that's my problem bushmills - but it's not direct
11:15<Bushmills>in its ultimate consequence, one needs only eat sleep and shit. and, not even that.
11:15<fxiny>anyway setting encryption . sanitizing , creating initram , keys , all this stuff makes me happy in the end . is rewarding seeing how debian does things
11:16<fxiny>is easier thinking about cloning then reinstalling from scratch
11:17<fxiny>and it can be done , there are howtos on debian-admionistrations , not about cloning but about installing
11:17<mordy>yeah, i wouldn't know where to start at this stage though
11:17<Bushmills>(in fact, the money i spend for living atm comes from having been on a project i only got by having done "unneeded" things before)
11:17<mordy>debootstrap at my level is enough of a challenge for me
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11:18<mordy>i wasn't critiquing doing 'unneeded' things, but simply that as a personal inclination, i'm weary at the moment
11:18<apostle>installed the quickcam express driver....not familiar how to insmod the module....and I don't know where to find it in the directory?
11:18<fxiny>what i want to do in lenny . is creating a small partition for maintenance
11:19<fxiny>and some automagical scripts for backing up and replacing
11:19<newsense>apecat, dont use insmod use modprobe instead
11:19<fxiny>a grub menu entry , something like that
11:19<newsense>err apostle
11:19<newsense>dam nick completion
11:20<bremner>fxiny: you might look for one of the many articles one how to make a bootable usb drive (debootstrap?) same principle I think
11:20<fxiny>bremner: yes ?
11:20<mordy>i think that will be my next project, a bootable and fully functioning usb drive
11:21<apostle>newsense, how do I find the directory where the driver I compiled went to?
11:21<bremner>IMHO usb drive is one case where encryption really makes sense
11:21<newsense>apecat, not in the rc dir ?
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11:22<fxiny>bremner: my idea is having a dedicated partition say with a base install + backup utils , and a grub entry menu to automagically backup or replace and boot again , no live cd just that
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11:23<fxiny>can't stand live cd
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11:23<bremner>fxiny: sure, sounds useful against everything but hard drive crash
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11:23<bremner>fxiny: and meteor strike etc for the smart-alecks
11:23<fxiny>bremner: i want to play again the sid game , i am not so good so backups are important :)
11:24<cahoot>apostle: if possible use module-assistant to create new modules
11:24<newsense>apostle, should use module assistant
11:24<fxiny>and i am lazy in the Larry Wall sense :P
11:24<cahoot>leisure suit larry wall?
11:25<fxiny>so i don't mind diving into this things
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11:25<craigevil>fxiny: sid isnt bad if you use apt-listbugs and dont install a lot of things from 3rd party repos
11:25<fxiny>cahoot: he said lazyness can push you doing better things . something like that
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11:25<bremner>fxiny: martin krafft calls this "Yak Shaving"
11:26<fxiny>craigevil: i was running sid in woody for a while
11:26<fxiny>bremner: heheeh
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11:29<mordy>how do i make grub detect a windows installation?
11:29<mordy>i.e. like it does in the installer
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11:32<newsense>dpkg-reconfigure grub ?
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11:35<mordy>doesn't do the trick
11:36<mordy>but then again i don't see any output for dpkg-reconfigure grub
11:36<mordy>maybe i'll try -plow
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11:37<craigevil>add a chainloader to grub showing windows
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11:37<jeff008>hello evry body, my new partitions's table is prepared for my new hard disk - 250 GO - etch server - is there any one who can verifie if all is good ? thank u for help ;)
11:37<craigevil>mordy: title Windows 2K/XP/2003 (sda4)
11:37<craigevil>chainloader (hd0,3)+1
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11:38<craigevil>somthing like that with the correct partition of course
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11:39<sasha999>hit my gnome and most of gtk application are very slow
11:39<sasha999>when i put LD_DEBUG=files
11:40<sasha999>i get that error
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11:40<mordy>don't know what the chainloader does
11:40<mordy>but windoze is in the first partition
11:41<sasha999>\usr\lib\gtk-2.0\modules\ gtk_module_display_init fatal
11:44<fxiny>mordy: secoind hd ? map
11:44<fxiny>grub knows hot to fool her uglyness
11:45<mordy>well, it works... i think
11:45<mordy>yeah, edited it manually
11:45<mordy>just pissed it didn't detect it automatically
11:46<mordy>now i need to configure swap space and tmp partitions
11:46<craigevil>grub is weird ive had it detected windows on some systems and not on others
11:47<abrotman>install the os-prober
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11:50<mordy>why won't the arrow keys work with pager?
11:51<abrotman>which pager?
11:51<mordy>or less, like man
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11:52<abrotman>mordy: update-alternatives --config pager
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11:53<mordy>abrotman: it says that "more" is the one active
11:53<mordy>is that the one i want?
11:53*Bushmills sylarises mordy, to look in his head what he wants
11:54<fxiny>spacebar , arrows , pgup/dw all working if you have something to scroll : load a large file
11:55<mordy>ahh.. i installed less
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11:55<mordy>fxiny, they only work with less - or at least that's what i see here, probably a way to configure the others too
11:55<fxiny>mordy: i use only less
11:56<mordy>well, at least i got a framebuffer on this old stinkpad
11:56<fxiny>mordy: ls file < back then less file is easy
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11:56<abrotman>mordy: so chagne it to less
11:57<sasha999>hi could anybody giv me his working /etc/pam.d/gdm config file
11:57<fxiny>oh pam ?
11:57<mordy>yeah, it wasn't installed there by default
11:57<sasha999>yes i think i messed up everything cause of fprint config in pam
11:58<mordy>i wonder if there's a checklist of packages i'd need in order to mimic a system configured and installed with d-i
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12:36<sasha999>hi i passed several hours looking in all the way to resolve my gnome that was tooooooooooooooo slow
12:37<sasha999>i only had to made some change in /etc/hosts ....... ???? looks like it is a well know prolem indeed
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12:39<weasel>was your local hostname not resolveable?
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12:44<sergio_mandrake>tem algum brasileiro por aqui?
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12:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:56<tuxcrafter>hi all i am creating a bash program that logs and sums and calulate cost of the use of a hsdpa dongle
12:56<tuxcrafter>what would be a good place in the filesystem to store this info
12:56<tuxcrafter>i need a place for a text file
12:57<tuxcrafter>where is store and log the data
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12:58<cahoot> /var/log?
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12:58<fxiny>something like vnstat /var/lib/xxx
12:59<cahoot>see - two answers - two suggestions
13:00<fxiny>vnstat logs network traffic in there
13:01<tuxcrafter>fxiny: cahoot: thank you both
13:02<tuxcrafter>i will use /var/lib/packagename/***.log
13:02<tuxcrafter>and use a symlic to /var/log/packagename.log
13:02<cahoot>quite the diplomat
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13:05<tuxcrafter>somebody here also nows a good way in bash to see if an ppp interface has an internet conection
13:05<tuxcrafter>i got this problem
13:06<cahoot>fxiny: you know for the last couple of years I've been pimping aqaulung and filerunner - to no avail at all AFAICT - so getting a bit desillusioned
13:06<cahoot>tuxcrafter: ip link
13:06<amphi>cahoot: filerunner? heh
13:06<cahoot>amphi: don't laugh please
13:07<tuxcrafter>i use hsdpa with ppp and the device gets his dns and ip from the ppp system. i scan when the ip is recieved and assume the device is connected to the internet, but it appears sometimes it gets an ip but wrong dns data and cant resolve websites.
13:07<fxiny>cahoot : i remember you telling me about aqualung
13:07<tuxcrafter>if i then restart the ppp interface it gets a new ip and then it will work
13:07<tuxcrafter>i have heart and seen the problem with diffrent hsdpa devices
13:07<fxiny>tuxcrafter: ppp0=`/sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "ppp0"` ; if [ -z "$ppp0" ]; then IS UP :)))
13:07<amphi>cahoot: I used to use it a lot - I find I don't use a file manager at all these days
13:08<tuxcrafter>fxiny: i alwready scan on ip
13:08<tuxcrafter>but an ip does not mean website resolving in this cace
13:08<cahoot>amphi: the very first thing I install on a new system (after the base)
13:08<tuxcrafter>i need an extra check
13:08<tuxcrafter>some good ideas examples for bash?
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13:09<fxiny>cahoot: i'm using mpd now . it uses less cpu : this box has low resources . aualung is nice
13:09<amphi>cahoot: it was the first, and pretty much only FM I used, apart from dabbling with gentoo a little, and some other odd ones like 'X Northern Captain' if I recall correctly
13:10<fxiny>tuxcrafter: ip ? ping it
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13:10<KiDFlaSh>hello debianchannel
13:11<KiDFlaSh>how are you today?
13:11<tuxcrafter>fxiny: is ping the best way to ceck?
13:12*tuxcrafter is just loocking for possible other possibilties
13:12<fxiny>tuxcrafter: ping -q -c 1 google >/dev/null 2>&1 ; if [ "$?" -eq 0 ]; then hey tux EVEN THIS ONE IS UP :))
13:13<fxiny>tuxcrafter: or be smart > ping -q -c 5
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13:14<fxiny>tuxcrafter: or do both . check pp0 and ping google only if pp0 is up
13:14<fxiny>i think this is the way
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13:17<jacek_m>hello there, anyone knows how to change a user password using dialog or whiptail from within a bash shell script? without using perl/python/expect.
13:20<fxiny>cahoot: i remember file runner now . is very good say for teaching : they click and learn some commands . visual
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13:22<rutski>I put "*font: courier" in .Xresources, rand xrdb on it, and then did an "xrdb -query" just to make sure it picked up (and it did)
13:22<fxiny>yeahhh . i'm on some screenshots .
13:22<rutski>yet xterm won't pick it up
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13:22<tuxcrafter>fxiny: thanks goging to use ping then
13:22<rutski>in fact, no matter what resources I assign; xterm doesn't pick them up
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13:23<rutski>it seems that the resources in /etc/X11/app-defaults/ take priority; and I just can't figure out why or how
13:23<fxiny>rutski: this is mine : XTerm*font:-xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15
13:23<fxiny>you want XTerm
13:24<rutski>fxiny: tried it already; it didn't work
13:24<rutski>I don't think it cares about case
13:24<fxiny>or URxvt
13:24<rutski>it certainly doesn't on all my other machines
13:24<tuxcrafter>agian an nother just to be shure i am doing the right thing question, i want to use grep to get an the value out of paramater=value and use sed to set the value of the parameter, is there a best practice/rules to do this? examples?
13:24<fxiny>first two capital letters
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13:25<rutski>oh, this is intereting
13:25<rutski>I tried typing in your lie
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13:25<fxiny>of course it works
13:25<rutski>well, I did it with lower case
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13:25<rutski>but I made a type-o in the font name
13:26<rutski>and it gave me an error message about the font not being present
13:26<rutski>so now I know it's seeing it
13:27<detective>hi all, could someone help me please? while booting fsck told me superblock of /dev/sda6 (my homepartition damn) is currupted. i tried e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/sda6... didn't worked.
13:27<fxiny>tuxcrafter: np
13:29<Bushmills>detective: try 32767, 768 or 769
13:30<detective>Bushmills: problem is, when i'm trying this on /dev/sda6 : no such file or directory
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13:30<Bushmills>very peculiar understanding of "doesn't work"
13:31<detective>yeah i'm sorry
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13:34<Bushmills>detective: does fdisk -l show sda6?
13:35<Bushmills>did you ever have sda6?
13:35<KiDFlaSh>did you ever had:D
13:35<Bushmills>have had
13:35<detective>only a big partition /dev/sda4 marked with extended
13:35<Bushmills>or did have
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13:35<detective>and root, swap of course
13:36<Bushmills>detective: so what's the purpose of trying to check sda6 then?
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13:36<Bushmills>however, the problem is not a problem with your superblock
13:37<Bushmills>more likely, a problem with your partition table
13:38<FTF3k3>I have a question : If all ports are closed (no listening services running), what is the purpose of having a iptables rule set ?
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13:38<detective>Bushmills: okay, what should i do now?
13:38<cahoot>FTF3k3: none
13:38<KiDFlaSh>!tell detective about partition table
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13:39<fxiny>two things i don't believe exist are : virtual desktops and ports :P
13:39<FTF3k3>cahoot, are you sure, there's no risks at all, from UDP paquets, DoS or something ?
13:39<Bushmills>detective: gpart could be able to recover your missing/lost partition
13:39*amphi probes fxiny's ports
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13:40<fxiny>amphi: hahaha
13:40<amphi>cahoot: it's good enough for teh gibs0n...
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13:40<Bushmills>FTF3k3: iptables can do more than only blocking incoming connection attempts
13:40<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gpart is a great tool to recover partition table when deleted some partitions by mistakes or overwrited the partition table - Now in Debian, install it the usual way .. or go get it at:, or more recent verstion at authors site:, or see also testdisk
13:40<cahoot>you're both adults I take it
13:41<fxiny>ports are integers and visrtal desktops are windows properties
13:41<amphi>fxiny: window lists, no?
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13:41<fxiny>so there is no such a thing
13:42<cahoot>vitrual ports?
13:42<dpkg>well, tanstaafl is "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch", from Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" Heinlein, "The cat who walks through walls"
13:42<FTF3k3>I know you can set up a Nat, and such. I was just talking about the security side.
13:42<amphi>fxiny: but compiz's viewports are real, you can see them all simultaneously!!!
13:42<fxiny>amphi: nope . tags as in tiling windows managers , the trimurti uses virtual desktops
13:42<Bushmills>FTF3k3: i understood it as "what is the point of no services listening"
13:42<cahoot>FTF3k3: AIUI you can live safely w/o any fw
13:43<Bushmills>FTF3k3: the point is, to use it for other things than blocking connection attempts
13:43<amphi>fxiny: tags are also just window lists, just without the uniqueness thing
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13:44<FTF3k3>cahoot: thanks.
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13:44<fxiny>amphi: where ? my brain loves the tiling window manager zen philosophi of sticking tags to a window
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13:45<fxiny>amphi: i can group windows by tags and bring all on fg
13:45<fxiny>no tales of virtual desktops
13:45<amphi>fxiny: sounds like a list to me ;)
13:45<fxiny>is not a list
13:46<fxiny>amphi: a list is not a window property
13:46<fxiny>a tag is
13:46*amphi steps back from the semantic swamp
13:46<fxiny>amphi: you write a list . you stick a tag
13:46<fxiny>so the tag is a window property and your brain knows it
13:46<amphi>in the end, it's just a list of windows to display
13:47<fxiny>tiling window managers are smart
13:47<fxiny>amphi: nope
13:47<fxiny>amphi: you make a decision : you group it . so the decision comes from your brain and you feel much better when recalling it
13:48<fxiny>virtual desktop is a tale
13:48*Bushmills waits for somebody saying "graphical user interfaces stink"
13:48*amphi holds his nose
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13:49<rutski>I'm confused; I've got this key (~/.ssh/id_rsa) on my iMac that I created recently; and I distinctly recall creating it without a passphrase. And indeed, I can log into machines with it seemingly without a passphrase.
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13:49<rutski>but now I just transfered it to a debian machine I just set up; and all of a sudden I'm being asked for a passphrase
13:49<fxiny>i mean , when exploring the tiling window managers planet , i found many good logical things . they just suit me , i feel more comfortable with
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13:50<bremner>rutski: sometimes ./authorized_keys has from=blahblah restrictions
13:50<fxiny>is so simple , tag a window , do your tagging
13:51<fxiny>and ask the wm to bring certain tags back
13:51<amphi>fxiny: I like 'em as well, by the way - I was farting about with wmii again the other day
13:51<rutski>bremner: it doesn't seem to in this case
13:52<tuxcrafter> < somebody know how to do that the right way :-p
13:52<bremner>rutski: did you run ssh -v to see what it said? maybe your key is blacklisted or something?
13:52<tuxcrafter>it is borken now but the idea should be clear
13:52<fxiny>amphi: it uses less brain cells : the brain refuses to think about someboby else virtual place , is totally innatural , the brain must be free on it'0s own virtuality
13:53<amphi>fxiny: depends on the person - some people like the spatial metaphor
13:53<fxiny>that's why i don't like virtual desktops
13:53<Bushmills>tuxcrafter: calculate between $(( ))
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13:54<tuxcrafter>Bushmills: lets try
13:54<fxiny>amphi: but some people believes in ports located somewhere : and is not like that
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13:54<amphi>you lie!
13:54<anhel>hello! somedody knows any tool to determine media type in CD/DVD drive?
13:55<amphi>anhel: file -s perhaps
13:55<fxiny>so they think in terms of : ports opened or closed like in the coloseum
13:55<anhel>wodim has no option -minfo, like cdrecorf
13:55<anhel>* cdrecord
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13:55<fxiny>and when they click on a virtual desktop icon , they think they are moving towards some place
13:56<rutski>"PEM_read_PrivateKey failed" looks releavnt
13:56<fxiny>they f* they're brain up
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13:56<rutski>although I wish I had more info as to why it failed
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13:56<rutski>and not that I know anything about how these things work, but I'm wondering why it's trying to ask for a passphrase even after the key read failed
13:57<anhel>I tried to use `wodim -atip`, but there is no enough information
13:57<bremner>rutski: dunno for sure. It is a bit weird that there is no copy of your public key there Also check for corruption using md5sum
13:58<usuario_>i have a debian lenny configured in a laptop, and i want to put it in a dvd for install in another computer, what could i do??
13:58<Bushmills>rutski: is there another key (maybe id_dsa) in the same dir? are you sure you're asked for pass*phrase*, not for pass*word*?
13:58<anhel>I need to know thow things: a) what media is in the drive, and b) if media is writable, how much free space it has?
13:58<rutski>Bushmills: see the ls at the bottom fo the paste
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14:00<anhel>I've tried to google the ATIP struct, but there are incomplete information about it
14:01<bremner>rutski: the more I think about it, the more I think you need , since that is what ssh sends to the other host
14:01<bremner>rutski: err, or something like that.
14:01<Bushmills>bremner: not sent at all. remote used .pub to encrypt a challenge, sends that back, asks local to decipher it.
14:02<rutski>bremner: ls ~/.ssh on the iMac from where it actually works doesn't have
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14:02<bremner>rutski: ok, there goes my theory. Does it work with the passphrase?
14:03<rutski>bremner: like I said before; the puzzling thing is that the key doesn't have a passphrase
14:03<rutski>I distinctly recall creating it sans a passphrase
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14:03<rutski>and on the iMac where it works I definitely don't need a passphrase
14:03<bremner>rutski: ahh, right. hmm. corruption during transfer of key?
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14:03<rutski>doubt it; checking
14:04<rutski>bremner: doesn't seem so; although I didn't check char-by-char
14:05<Delorean>i'll ask again.. i have a debian lenny in my laptop and want to put in a dvd with all downloaded packages and /home configuration for install in another computer, what should i do??
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14:06<Bushmills>Delorean: burn files to dvd. take out dvd, insert in other computer. copy..
14:06<enouf>fxiny: :-)
14:07<Delorean>Bushmills, ¬¬
14:07<fxiny>enouf: still editing Pam ? :P
14:07<fxiny>amphi: we have a name ;)
14:08<Bushmills>Delorean: ??
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14:08<Delorean>i heard about remastersys but's not for debian (depend on ubiquity) and bootcd make errors
14:08<amphi>fxiny: Legion? ;)
14:08<fxiny>amphi: heheeh
14:08<Bushmills>you want to copy some downloaded packages, and some configs, you say.
14:08<Delorean>it's no necesary to be a livecd
14:08<Delorean>Bushmills, all
14:08<fxiny>enouf: abro was in a bad mood today ;)
14:09<Bushmills>each downloaded package is a file. copy them.
14:09<amphi>fxiny: you start to sound like the Rosicrucians - "You must know that, whatever we say, we are all in agreement"
14:09<Delorean>the same distro i have here, to put in another no-conection computer
14:09<Bushmills>the config from your home, you might want to tar them to a file. copy that one too
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14:10<enouf>fxiny: what? he has no Pam? :-p
14:10<bremner>Delorean: the simplest for the system is to use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections. But you still need the packages on some media
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14:10<Delorean>Bushmills, there's no an aplication to make a livecd or backup to make an installation directly??
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14:10<Bushmills>Delorean: what you ask now is different from what you asked before
14:11<Bushmills>before you wanted to copy downloaded packages and configs from your home
14:11<fxiny>amphi: yes ;)
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14:11<Bushmills>now you want to mirror the whole system?
14:11<Bushmills>make up your mind first, ask then again
14:11<fxiny>enouf: not even an inflatable one ;)
14:12<Delorean>Bushmills, don't disaguise if you don't have an answer..
14:12<amphi>fxiny: if you persist like this, you may find yourself in a Freedom Chair at the Amphi Institute
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14:13<Delorean>Bushmills, i mean the same the two times..
14:13<enouf>amphi: oh no .. not the Freedon Chair .. where putin rears his ugly head ...not that! .. noooooooooo :-p
14:13*Bushmills sylarizes Delorean, to mind out what he means by looking at his brain
14:13<enouf>amphi: i hear admission has gone up - but you seem to be offering discounts :-P
14:13<fxiny>amphi: no porbs : freedom is ok , i'm zeigeisting , i can accept a ticket to venus where i bet your institute is located ;)
14:14<fxiny>amphi: and if is not just grab it : amazing doc
14:15<amphi>fxiny: OT
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14:41<justaguy>thanx for the justask bit, btw
14:41<PetaWindows>Hi! does someone know how can I find out what is the internal IP of the Wifi device I attached to my router, so that I can join its configuration??
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14:44<Tuplad>how do I put commands in autostart?
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14:46<Bushmills>Tuplad: edit ~/.fluxbox/startup
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14:51<MotoHoss>I need a a data/fax/capable modem that is not a winmodem... any idea where to look to buy one? pci preferable externals are way to expensive.
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14:51<Bushmills>MotoHoss: rs232? i got one for 6 $ on ebay
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14:51<MotoHoss>rs232 is fine
14:51<benutzername>Setting SAVE_VBE_STATE to false in /etc/default/acpi-support has solved the problem that my system freezed whiel trying to boot up at the message "Saving VESA state..."
14:51<MotoHoss>debian capable right?
14:51<benutzername>Thank you, maybe someone put it on Internet :D
14:52<MotoHoss>Bushmills: send me the link. ;-)
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14:52<Bushmills>well yes. serial connection means system independent. normal extended hayes command set
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14:54<MotoHoss>Bushmills: good I need to get it.
14:54<Bushmills>was a "speedcom 56 k data/fax modem" which i needed after i relocated and had only telephone to get on internet. those modem are dumped for low prices, i'm sure you can find those en masse on ebay
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14:55<MotoHoss>ok.. i thugh you 'had' one on ebay...
14:55<MotoHoss>np I'll hunt. thans.
14:55<panagos>i want to export a directory via ftp read only. could you suggest any simple program to do that?
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14:57<Bushmills>MotoHoss: something like this one:
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14:57<benutzername>I am very surprised because I am using "vesa" driver according to xorg.conf and the desktop is very fluent, whereas when I used the radeon driver under Fedora Linux it was slower. I wonder why.
14:58<PetaWindows>life mysteries :D
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15:00<metalqga>Bushmills for the price of a cheese burger? :D
15:00<Bushmills>MotoHoss: no, still have had an no inclination at to sell it - what i'd get for it isn't worth it, compared to the ability to get alternative internet access should the situation ever arise again.
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15:01<christoph>Hi all! I'm looking for software to manage web users on an dedicated server
15:01<christoph>so far looking at syscp and ispcp
15:01<christoph>what do you use?
15:01<Bushmills>metalqga: those modems are probably considered obsolete, in a world of cable and dsl.
15:01<metalqga>I still keep my old 56k modem in the dust, haven't used it for years
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15:02<metalqga>It was more than a cheeseburger when I bought it :P
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15:05<Bushmills>christoph: what is there to manage about web users?
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15:05<christoph>Bushmills, not web users, people using the server to serve something to the public
15:05<Bushmills>i mean, they connect, their browser downloads some webpages, and they're gone again. sometimes they return.
15:05<christoph>ISP style
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15:07<MotoHoss>Bushmills: I unnderstand. I had 20 usr 56K externals years ago... when I was techsupport for the local ISP....
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15:08<Bushmills>MotoHoss: do you pop in sometimes on #perl?
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15:09<MotoHoss> my dad is 81 yrs old and he's 1200 miles away.. he's gonan order it and place it and I am gonna configure it... ;-)
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15:37<tzafrir_laptop>ok. using rsync -C to strip out .svn files is not always a great idea
15:37<tzafrir_laptop>It took me quite a while to figure out that if a directory is named 'core' it won't be copied either :-)
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15:57<dpkg>Test Failed.
15:57<dpkg>qotd147 is probably <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines
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16:06<Bushmills>try !hello
16:06<geetke>someone help me?
16:06<dpkg>Hi, geetke!
16:07<geetke>Hi dpkg!
16:07<bremner>!tell geetke about justask
16:07<geetke>firstly my apology for my english
16:07<geetke>I'm using Debian Lenny
16:08<geetke>in my Debian, I played movie with vlc
16:08<geetke>but no video there
16:08<geetke>I could hear only voice
16:09<paveq>hmm, no ff3 in backports?
16:09<geetke>could you guide me how to fix that?
16:09<paveq>geetke: try mplayer
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16:09<paveq>or install some missing codecs
16:09<geetke>yes I can player with mplayer, but problem with vlc
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16:10<paveq>back in the days there used to be win32codecs package for wmv support, dunno about it now
16:10<geetke>what do you mean?
16:10<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:11<geetke>am I missing codecs?
16:11<amphi>paveq: ffmpeg will play[ [some] wmvs
16:11<geetke>if it would be fixed, I will install ffmpeg
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16:12<geetke>ok .. I'll install it right now.
16:12<Bushmills>geetke: in settings, video, output modules, try chosing X11. if that works, try XVideo
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16:13<bremner>geetke: if that doesn't work, you can get w32codecs from debian-multimedia (/msg dpkg dmm lenny)
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16:14<geetke>@ Bushmills you mean .. I have to fix on vlc setting?
16:14<Bushmills>ehm ... settings -> preferences -> video -> output modules
16:14<Bushmills>geetke: possibly. worth a try.
16:14<geetke>@ Bushmills OK I'll check it
16:15<Bushmills>if X11 doesn't show picture, follow the codec lead.
16:15<Bushmills>(or the mplayer lead)
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16:16<geetke>@ Bushmills what can I do with X11 on output modules?
16:17<geetke>there I didn't see on off or enable disable
16:17<Bushmills>geetke: you can select it
16:18<Bushmills>vlc will use one, namely the selected one. XVideo doesn't work with all graphic cards.
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16:19<Bushmills>but is preferable over X11. X11 works about anywhere, but puts higher load on CPU
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16:22<geetke>@Bushmills I see there in Output modules> Xvideo, X11, OpenGL and so on
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16:23<geetke>@Bushmills but then, I don't know how to enable it
16:23<Bushmills>well.. click on "X11", and then bottom left "Save"
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16:25<geetke>@Bushmills I did as you said, but nothing happen, only hear audio
16:26<Bushmills>ok. set it back to XVideo, save, and install codecs, as suggested further up. or install mplayer.
16:27<geetke>@Bushmills anyway it is ok, I'll play with mplayer. Thanks!! :)
16:28<sylar>how do I make a usb netinstall from windows?
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16:31<amphi>damn tail
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16:34<Bushmills>amphi: don't worry, with evolution progressing, the tail will eventually disappear.
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17:27<tzafrir_laptop>Bushmills, generally ffmpeg works as well as w32codecs (if not better)
17:28<Bushmills>tzafrir_laptop: is probably a good idea to have more than one player anyway
17:29<tzafrir_laptop>Bushmills, it's better to have one player that plays everything well
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17:37<Bushmills>tzafrir_laptop: like, having xine for dvdmenu, because mplayer or vlc don't. does ffplay show dvd menu too?
17:37<tzafrir_laptop>Bushmills, frankly, I have no idea
17:38<Bushmills>because if not, the theory of "one for all" would go down the drain already
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17:42<Knorrie>vlc does dvd menu
17:42<Knorrie>just choose open directory
17:42<Knorrie>*does do
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17:49<Bushmills>Knorrie: ah, ok. probably an addition of the last 5 years
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17:57<ferdo>quoi de neuf
17:57<paddy>bouf, BOUF
17:57<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
17:58<ferdo>english language
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18:02<Knorrie>Bushmills: dunno, i recently discovered the option
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18:03<Bushmills>still, good to know
18:03*Knorrie noticed base-files got updated and debian-version is 5.0 now instead of 'lenny/sid'... :)
18:04<paddy>which is nice, cause the 5.0 is ... a special release!
18:04<Knorrie>it's great
18:05<Knorrie>ii especially like the work the kernel team did to get full support for xen dom0/U into the release
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18:34<dpkg>from memory, et131x is the driver for the Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E Ethernet controller ( Not included in mainline or Debian kernel images. Lenny users: "aptitude install et131x-modules-`uname -r` && modprobe et131x". Etch users: Install a 2.6.24 kernel image (ask me about <etchnhalf>), then ask me about <et131x etch>.
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18:36<dpkg>rumour has it, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>.
18:36<dpkg>sound is probably ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>.
18:37<southafrikanse>!alsa checklist
18:37<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
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19:00<mattias>Hi everyone!
19:00<mattias>I am new to linux and 13 years old
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19:02<philsf>if I update the lvm2 package, do I need to reboot (I'm using LVM volumes)?
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19:14<sts>hi all
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19:17<pont>anyone who plays guild wars via wine?
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19:18<sts>only i drink wine pont
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19:23<philsf>if I update the lvm2 package, do I need to reboot (I'm using LVM volumes)?
19:24<enouf>philsf: i don't think so - i recall it wants to restart the service .. is any mdadm involved as well?
19:25<enouf>philsf: and .. is / on lvm? w/raid?
19:25<enouf>(though that shouldn't matter though, afaict)
19:26<philsf>enouf: yes, I'm using lvm and mdadm raid
19:26<philsf>but only the lvm2 package needs to be updated
19:27<philsf>this is lenny
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19:27<enouf>philsf: well, then i'm more hesitant to say no, just b/c devicemapper is involved (moreso?) ... sheesh, i need a refresher
19:28<philsf>enouf: let me be more clear: do I need to un mount the volumes to restart the lvm service?
19:28<enouf>philsf: you can d/l the .deb, dpkg -x it .. hrm, or -c it and review the contents, and see what the .postinst script does
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19:28<enouf>philsf: it likely will need to remount to restart it, yes
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19:29<enouf>philsf: but i can't say for certain
19:29<philsf>enouf: good enough for me
19:29<philsf>I 'm already holding a kernel image, I'l hold lvm2 as well
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19:30<enouf>philsf: righto ... np
19:31<enouf>philsf: just keep the older kernel around when you do reboot eventually .. oh, and i'd likely do it in steps, so if something boks, it'll be easier to fix - IOW, reboot into new kernel, if that all goes well, then upgrade lvm2
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19:31<enouf>bjork? :-p
19:32<enouf>in my head - it's easier to reboot into a known working kernel than having to revert to older packages from an upgrade.
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19:39<Special-Ed>Hey guys, I need to change the perms on everything in my old home folder to my new home folder. I know how to change perms, but how can I do it to every sub-folder from one folder and every file in those folders without individiaully doing it...
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19:41<abrotman>why would you want to change the perms ?
19:42<Special-Ed>They're for my last user from a different distro.
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19:43<abrotman>so you're using chown ?
19:43<Special-Ed>I switched from another distro to Debian and made a new user on the same /home partition
19:43<Special-Ed>Yeah, I just want to do it to more than one folder.
19:43<abrotman>man chmod .. it tells you how to do it recursively ..
19:43<Special-Ed>Alright, thanks
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19:44<amphi>Special-Ed: sure you don't want chown?
19:44<Special-Ed>I'm not sure I know the difference between the two.
19:45<abrotman>oh crap ..
19:45<abrotman>i meant chown
19:45<abrotman>i got it right the first time :)
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19:48<Special-Ed>Ok, I think I have it...either that or I'm destroying something.
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19:49<abrotman>is anything on fire?
19:51<Special-Ed>I don't smell any smoke
19:51<Special-Ed>Oh, worked
19:52<Special-Ed> question, sorry guys :) Any good howto's for getting Pulse to work with Debian?
19:52<amphi>I just here people moaning about it - why do you want it?
19:53<Special-Ed>Well, my reason is mostly with Secondlife. I can't run Secondlife and Secondlife's voice feature at the same time with Alsa and I can't have Secondlife and an Mp3 player open with Alsa at the same time either.
19:53*abrotman hears people
19:53<Special-Ed>I have used esd before...that did the trick, maybe I'll jsut do that again.
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19:54<enouf>hear hear! :-)
19:54*enouf waits for some fool to invent ThirdLife, and for the masses to follow
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19:55<D1ablo>enouf> all we need is thoughts upload and virus protection
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19:57<D1ablo>enouf> there's a game called TA it deals with thoughts and nano technology
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19:58<D1ablo>ta= total anihlation
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20:05<amphi>Special-Ed: you could with the dmix alsa plugin, I expect
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20:06<Special-Ed>I've read about that, but last time I tried I had little luck with it. I was running Arch then though, everything was a pain in my ass :P
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20:29<gsa10132>Hey guys! Trying to install the netinstall version on an AMD K6 2-400 with 256mb ram.. getting the following error message: "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive."
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20:29<gsa10132>Any ideas?
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20:30<mordy>well, what version installer are you using?
20:31<mordy>amd64 is only for 64 bit systems
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20:31<gsa10132>umm, I downloaded the i386-netinstall from
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20:32<mordy>where do you get this message?
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20:33<chealer>gsa10132: what URL?
20:34<Menny>hi everyone. Does anybody know if debian i386 support up to 8gb of ram?
20:34<gsa10132>mordy: pops up right after it finishes reading the modules.
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20:35<gsa10132>mordy: Between "Load installer components from CD" and "Detect Network hardware" in the install menu
20:35<mordy>seems purely like an installer issue
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20:35<mordy>do you see anything strange in vt1?
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20:36<gsa10132>not really.. I mean, it's a old computer but I think it should run.. nothing strange or fancy in it.
20:37<abrotman>Menny: yes with the -bigmem kernels
20:38<gsa10132>I guess the media could be flawed.. I could try burning to another CD
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20:38<mordy>try debootstrap
20:39<mordy>i just installed a system for an even lower-memory computer
20:39<mordy>or try the business card installer
20:39<mordy>maybe that would do the trick? smaller?
20:40<Menny>Thank you Abrotman, i suppose you're talking about linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1_i386.deb? Do you know if os work smootly with this thing?
20:40<gsa10132>I did try the business card installer.. got a "error reading CD" or something like that
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20:40<abrotman>Menny: among others .. yes
20:40<gsa10132>Im not sure what debootstrap is?
20:40<mordy>gsa10132, sounds more and more like you've got a media problem
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20:40<gsa10132>gonna try another one
20:41<gsa10132>thanks for the input.. brb
20:42<Menny>i'm trying to choose between 2 things 1) making the 32 bit chroot for 32 bit application in x64 os or 2) reinstall the os with i386 and installing bigmen. How do you think what would be the best way?
20:43<abrotman>depends on the app
20:43<mordy>gsa10132 - messsage the dpkg bot and ask about debootstrap, or look in the installation guide
20:43<abrotman>and how much i used it
20:43<Menny>it's a public game server, so the application would run 24/7
20:43<mordy>it's really a pretty reliable way to install debian if the target system is less-than-modern - although you will need to configure some more things than you would using the guided installation
20:44<gsa10132>okay, cool, will do that
20:45<abrotman>Menny: might be better in a chroot anyways .. security wise
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20:45<Menny>and if not considering security thing?
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20:48<nullmoore>if i set up a smtp server on my own machine, can i specify my own attachment max-sizes?
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20:49<gsa10132>mordy: same issue with netinstall with different media
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20:50<mordy>well, it can be either of them then
20:50<mordy>if it's a memory issue i'm gathering you should be able to see that in the tools available in the busy box
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20:52<gsa10132>hmm, is there a way to be able to read all the output as it flashes by?
20:52<gsa10132>during setup
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20:53<mordy>i think ^S should pause the input
20:53<mordy>i think there is also a log file too
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20:54<gsa10132>will check it out, thanks
20:55<bremner>nullmoore: depends on the smtp server, but typically, that can be done. It is easier to limit total message size, since then the server does not have to parse mime
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21:00<nullmoore>bremner: most free email services limit attachment size to 10 or 20 megs.
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21:01<Bushmills>nullmoore: "my own" ... for sending? you depend on the accepting smtp what it will take,
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21:01<Bushmills>for receiving, yes, you're free to set it to your hearts delight,
21:03<nullmoore>so my max attachment size is based on what the receiving server will accept?
21:03<nullmoore>...or should be?
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21:06<nullmoore>how can i tell what the receiving server will accept?
21:06<Bushmills>you look whether your mail with attachment was refused or not
21:06<Bushmills>the log of your smtp server will tell. also, the sending user should receive information.
21:06<nullmoore>trial and error, eh?
21:11<bremner>nullmoore: there is also the question of how irritated the recipient will be
21:11<gsa10132>mordy: can't seem to get around that error.. I'll try Ubuntu server just for some reference
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21:12<nullmoore>brtemner: it's not spam
21:12<nullmoore>maybe ftp would be better
21:12<bremner>nullmoore: I'm just saying, not everyone wants 100M files in the mail
21:13<chealer>gsa10132: are you sure that's the URL, and not ?
21:13<Bushmills>nullmoore: generally, for large files, don't send them by email. put them on a server, downloadable. send the link per email
21:14<mordy>gsa10132, more people there now at the moment, did you try the bigmem yet?
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21:16<mordy>got confused with someone/somethihng else
21:16<gsa10132>chealer: can't even access the link you gave me
21:16<mordy>you didnt' manage to stop/pause the vt?
21:16<gsa10132>mordy: no
21:17<mordy>let me run the installer and see where it pastes the log files
21:17<Bushmills>can you scroll back? shift-pageup
21:17<chealer>gsa10132: aha. nevermind then
21:18<mordy>gsa10132, i mean vt4
21:18<mordy>not vt1
21:18<mordy>gah, i'm rusty today
21:19<gsa10132>not even sure how to check that?
21:19<mordy>alt + F4
21:20<Bushmills>mordy, take a bath in pepsi
21:22<gsa10132>"resolver (libc6): package doesn't exist (ignored)
21:22<gsa10132>that the only one sticking out
21:23<mordy>gsa10132, you can also see the log by "more /var/log/syslog" in any of the other virtual terminals (just do alt + f2, f3 etc.)
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21:24<gsa10132>thanks, will try that now
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21:25<nullmoore>bremner: i don't intend to send unsolicited files to people. more like using email to transfer a file.
21:25<nullmoore>the recipient would know about it before hand
21:26<bremner>nullmoore: sure, just doing my "old guy on the internet" thing. :-)
21:27<bremner>nullmoore: but, there are many things that can go wrong with email transfer of large files
21:27<bremner>nullmoore: if you have some other way to do it, that would probably be better
21:27<nullmoore>yeah. i hear ya
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21:28<nullmoore>just thinking about rare cases when ftp or is not an option
21:28<Bushmills>why not on a web server?
21:28<nullmoore>wish i could send a file using ssh
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21:28<Bushmills>most users have a web browser
21:28<nullmoore>but i don't have a web server
21:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:29<gsa10132>mordy: I can't see anything strange in the log files.. :/
21:29<snogglethorpe>nullmoore: actually a very good question... i've often run into that situation, where I want to transfer a file, and have the bandwidth, and two willing parties, but not any web server with sufficient space for the file
21:30<snogglethorpe>nullmoore: basically need some way to make the "rendesvouz"
21:30<snogglethorpe>er, "rendezvous"
21:30<bremner>snogglethorpe: ?
21:31<Bushmills>reading deficiency, i think
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21:31<mordy>gsa10132, i dont' suppose you can pastebin it, can youo?
21:31<bremner>split is something to keep in mind as well.
21:31<Feletacion>Asians, Whites, Amerindians, and Mestizos are descended from extraterrestrials who mixed with anthropoids and Neanderthals. Niggggers really did solely evolve from just MONKEYS. Join us today at! No matter what race you are, as long as you aren't a nigiigger.
21:31<snogglethorpe>bremner: looks interesting... is it trustworthy?
21:31-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
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21:31<gsa10132>mordy: not sure how I could do that.. I have no way to send it to this computer
21:32<bremner>snogglethorpe: with public key encryption, does it have to be?
21:32<snogglethorpe>bremner: i suppose not; still it's nicer if it is...
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21:32<snogglethorpe>bremner: anyway, many thanks for the pointer
21:32<snogglethorpe>abrotman: i presume the three "ggg"s were to avoid some automatic bot kick?
21:32<bremner>snogglethorpe: thank dpkg and Bushmills
21:32<mordy>gsa10132, do you get any errors about "Authetication"?
21:33<gsa10132>I get a message about frame buffer, but it doesn't halt or anything
21:33<snogglethorpe>bremner: hmm, good point; I think I tend to ignore anything from dpkg these days...
21:34<bremner>!greet snogglethorpe
21:34<dpkg>Wassup, snogglethorpe
21:34<mordy>hmm... why should you be getting any message about framebuffers? the installer doesn't have a framebuffer, does it
21:34<mordy>are you using the "Graphical" installer?
21:35<gsa10132>graphical.. well, sort of graphical.. its the standard installer in the netinstall I guess?
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21:36<mordy>well, you should be getting some kind of error once you get an error in the installer
21:37<mordy>ie. you should be seeing something corresponding to that error in syslog
21:40<gsa10132>the only error in the log is the missing package (libc6)
21:40<mordy>hmm... that's normal
21:40<mordy>you should be seeing more of those
21:40<mordy>you get the error right before you configure the network?
21:40<gsa10132>yeah.. or right after a lot of modules are lodade
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21:41<gsa10132>Im trying the businesscard install with different medium now.. see what happens
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21:43<gsa10132>hm.. the error msg on the business-install says: "Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry? Yes|No"
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21:44<gsa10132>at the very same spot as the error with the netinstall
21:44<mordy>try this: take out your drive and try again, see what happens
21:45<mordy>i.e. the HDD
21:45<mordy>it's very likely it's trying to read from somewhere else
21:45<mordy>but on second thought, if it loaded other modules, that's not liekly
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21:47<mordy>you *should* be seeing a lot of lines reading something like "<date> anna[<pid>]: ... retrieving <package-name>"
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21:47<gsa10132>found some more error messages now:
21:47<gsa10132>one fatal
21:49<gsa10132>hw-detect: FATAL: Error inserting i82365 (/lib/modules/
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21:50<gsa10132>also hw-detect: Missing modules 'ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE probe driver)
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21:53<mordy>still isn't very telling
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21:53<mordy>what does fdisk -l give you?
21:54<gsa10132>I'll try the ubuntu-cd
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21:56<gsa10132>the exakt same hardware config ran Win XP without any issues.. strange.. it's usually the other way around.. shitload of problems with Windows
21:57<mordy>i doubt it's a hardware issue
21:58<mordy>the drive is a native cd drive, or is it attached via usb etc.
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21:59<gsa10132>a Samsung 40x CD-ROM
22:02<mordy>gsa, you can download a live cd and do a debootstrap install throuugh that
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22:02<mordy>although the only server that i know of which hosts the debian live distributions is pretty slow
22:03<mordy>and with 256 ram, i wouldn't advise a de platform
22:03<Msjohansen>heya all, im currently having problem finding a way to expand a partition on a vmhosted server. i havent been able to find any information that tells me exact what i have to lookout for and how to expand the disk.
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22:05<gsa10132>mordy: thanks for all your input.. Im gonna have to call it a night at 4am here.. thanks again :)
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22:08<enouf>gsa10132: try install generic.all_generic_ide=1
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22:10<mordy>enouf - can you do that in busybox?
22:10<enouf>mordy: at the boot prompt
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22:11<mordy>think that's his problem?
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22:11<enouf>mordy: you can alt-f2 and modprobe shit once you're within the installer and loaded the base components
22:11<mordy>yeah, i told him to do some of that
22:11<mordy>not modprobe
22:11<mordy>but fdisk -l
22:11<enouf>mordy: i don't think busybox has fdisk .. oh wait, no lspci
22:12<mordy>btw, how would i go about forwarding dhcp requests through a bridge?
22:13<gsa10132>enouf: I will try that for sure
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22:13<gsa10132>let me burn the image again
22:13<mordy>don't burn another image lol
22:13<mordy>save plastic, save the planet
22:13<gsa10132>its -RW :)
22:13<mordy>and silver/gold or whatever they make that of
22:13<mordy>maybe that's your problem
22:13<gsa10132>Im currently testing the memory with Memtest86
22:14<mordy>well, i'd go with a CD-R if i were you
22:14<mordy>CDs are pretty cheap
22:14<mordy>but enouf is here, so i am overshadowed by his wisdom
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22:15<mordy>i've installed debian about 20 times, so i know some stuff
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22:16<gsa10132>the netinstall is cooking now
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22:23<Msjohansen>how do i expand an debian partition? would apriseate any links given
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22:23<gsa10132>enouf: tried install generic.all_generic_ide=1 but got the same error as before.. "No Kernel modules were found."
22:24<Msjohansen>tryed using gparted it detects the disk size but wont allow me to expand the partition, what do i do?
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22:26<gsa10132>enouf: Any insight?
22:27<mordy>well, what does fdisk -l tell you?
22:28<gsa10132>cant run fdisk
22:28<gsa10132>at least not in busybox
22:28<mordy>hmmm that's weird
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22:28<mordy>i can in my installer
22:29<gsa10132>ALT-F2 right?
22:29<mordy>well, alt-f--anything
22:29<mordy>i'm using the lenny i386 netinstall
22:29<mordy>don't know what you're trying to install (i forget)
22:30<mordy>maybe try lenny
22:31<gsa10132>I saw this message just now.. anna[4574]: WARNING **: no packages for kernel in archive
22:31<mordy>gah, i don't think i have an etch install
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22:32<gsa10132>oh, well.. now Im REALLY off.. thanks again :)
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22:35<enouf>sorry .. am kind of busy .. but thanks for the kind words nonetheless mordy
22:36<CPT_PaulNabarro>hello everyone
22:36<mordy>nah, it was just to make you feel good so you'll be more enticed to help me in the future
22:36<D1ablo>well done mordy
22:37<bremner>!tell CPT_PaulNabarro about justask
22:37<dpkg>hello, mordy
22:37<mordy>well, i finally managed to get the stinkpad working with debian, but it's got all sorts of weird behavior
22:37<dpkg>from memory, solaris is better known as <slowaris> because the hardware is so incredibly shitty, it makes AreEss64 puke., but <ashp> Learning solaris is like anally raping myself with a big red fire truck., or ask me about <solaris source>, or pretty much okay on x86, or shit. slowlaris, or
22:37<CPT_PaulNabarro>oh iknew
22:38<CPT_PaulNabarro>who can tell me how to lite the debian linux
22:38<mordy>for one, the cursor in x is tripled (i.e. there are "three" cursors), then there aren't any vts available with x
22:38<mordy>cpt, try propane
22:38<mordy>apt-get ignite propane
22:38<abrotman>CPT_PaulNabarro: how to what ?
22:39<D1ablo>cpt_..: just install the base and take it form there?
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22:40<Bushmills>what should debian do differently after it has been lited?
22:40<CPT_PaulNabarro>i need to make "Light Moblie System",with X windows(tiny X server)
22:40<nullmoore>anyone familiar with gpg?
22:40<abrotman>nullmoore: ask a better question
22:40<CPT_PaulNabarro>so it's difficult to do this
22:40<nullmoore>is there a more secure product i could use?
22:41<nullmoore>or is the security in my passphrase?
22:41<mordy>what do you mean by a "Light" X?
22:41<abrotman>nullmoore: to do what ?
22:41<mordy>X takes up about 100 or so MB RAM
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22:41<abrotman>CPT_PaulNabarro: just install the base, xorg, and the WM you want
22:41<nullmoore>encrypt sensitive data
22:41<D1ablo>cpt_> look at dsl
22:41<abrotman>!tell D1ablo about nicktab
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22:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:42<CPT_PaulNabarro>abrotman: look you on the point
22:42<CPT_PaulNabarro>i just install the "Base" "Xorg" "Openbox"
22:42<abrotman>CPT_PaulNabarro: would it be easier for you to speak spanish ?
22:42*abrotman guesses
22:42<D1ablo>CPT_PaulNabarro : use DSL
22:42<abrotman>use debian
22:43<dpkg>i guess dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. or Damn Small Linux,, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux @ (ask me about <based on debian>)
22:43<abrotman>D1ablo: stop flooding the damn channel
22:43<bremner>D1ablo: use /msg dpkg dsl
22:43<nullmoore>i'm getting some errors trying to set up a gpg program.
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22:43<CPT_PaulNabarro>oh,THANKS EVERYONE
22:44<abrotman>nullmoore: which program is that ?
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22:44<D1ablo>abrotman : i still beleive you have an axe to grind ....
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22:44<abrotman>i have other beliefs ...
22:44<abrotman>nullmoore: i've had good luck with seahorse .. but it's a gnome/gtk app
22:45<abrotman>nullmoore: it seems like you need to create a keyring ?
22:45<bremner>D1ablo: oh, I see. You probably wanted !tell CPT_PaulNabarroa about dsl to avoid getting yelled at :-)
22:46<abrotman>or just use debian .. no point in using DSL
22:46<D1ablo>bremner thanks i knew i have a friend around here :-)
22:47<D1ablo>he should be able to fit a whole working debian on a keyring
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22:49<mordy>i don't like DSL
22:49<PaulNabarro>You are warm-hearted person,thanks for helping me
22:49<PaulNabarro>mordy: yeah , me too
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22:50<mordy>but can you give us an idea of what system you're trying to install debian on?
22:50<D1ablo>system rescue , gparted , partition magic should work too :-)
22:50<D1ablo>i use them as an os
22:50<abrotman>D1ablo: you're in #debian ... stop
22:51<Bushmills>probably reads as "*still* in #debian" :P
22:52<D1ablo>oh dear
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22:55<PaulNabarro>oh dear, i don't have any linux based knowledge,
22:57<PaulNabarro>massage flood ,just now :)
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23:01<nullmoore>arotman: would i create a keyring with kgpg?
23:01<nullmoore>*the keyring
23:02<abrotman>nullmoore: i've never used kgpg .. how much of the documentation have you read ?
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23:06<nullmoore>thought i knew what i was doing. i've used it several times before and it was pretty straight-forward. maybe i forgot something
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23:29<enouf>k for kerberos
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23:29<enouf>oh .. keyring?
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23:45-!-abrotman changed the topic of #debian to: 4.0r6 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | FAQ: | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people
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23:56<dpkg>it has been said that etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r6>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
23:57<dpkg>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r6 was released on December 17, 2008. This revision corrects security issues present in the stable release, along with miscellaneous bugfixes.
23:57<dpkg>rumour has it, today is try taking a look at
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