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00:44<unxbm3r_>i have a question
00:44<unxbm3r_>i know the file
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00:45<unxbm3r_>but how do i find what package that file come from?
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00:45<unxbm3r_>using dpkg or apt?
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00:45<gsimmons>!tell unxbm3r_ -about search
00:45<unxbm3r_>thank you
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01:12<steereeou>всем привет
01:13<steereeou>рускоязычные есть???
01:13<steereeou>hi all
01:14<steereeou>is someone there???
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02:48<fxiny>tzafrir_laptop: hey , i have the euro symbol in mrxvt > en_US.ISO-8859-15
02:48<fxiny>no need for utf8
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02:48<tzafrir_laptop>fxiny, this is why I mentioned ISO-8859-1 :-)
02:49<tzafrir_laptop>and what about pound? Yen? Cent?
02:49<fxiny>tzafrir_laptop: cent yes ¢
02:49<fxiny>where's the yen?
02:49<tzafrir_laptop>(IIRC cp1252 has some of them but not ISO8859-1)
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02:49<fxiny>i knoe how it looks like
02:49<blarson>tzafrir_laptop: maybe he dosn't yen for it.
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02:50<tzafrir_laptop> err... those three are included
02:51<fxiny>this one ? ¥
02:51<metalqga>yen is Y with ||
02:52<tzafrir_laptop>well, any other currency symbol isn't. mine isn't
02:52<metalqga>actually Y-
02:53<fxiny>can't find it ,that one is shift-altgr Y > ¥
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02:54<fxiny>and yahhh that's it !
02:54<fxiny>so with en_US.ISO-8859-15 you press : shift altgr Y
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03:06<fxiny>pound ? alt 3 > £
03:06<fxiny>too easy :P
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03:08<tzafrir_laptop>not to mention characters like RTL and LTR that change the rendering of bidirectional text
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03:10<fxiny>i'm using an olivetti ibm *M* model clone . no windoze keys , italian layout . american keys are different
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03:11<fxiny>super keyboard !
03:11<fxiny>it weights half a ton
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03:20<evilgenius>Need some help with VMWare Workstation & Etch....
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03:20<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMWare is not in debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost the source code is not available for some parts and debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>.
03:20<fxiny>i know vmwarez server version works
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03:21<Supaplex>he didn't even tell us if it's the host or the guest. :p
03:21<evilgenius>the thing is
03:21<fxiny>bpo kernel ?
03:22<evilgenius>it needs headers and can't seem to get them via apt-get install linux-headers-'uname -r'
03:22<fxiny>i have it installed only to check it on my old hardware before moving to lenny
03:22<fxiny>and today is voting day , so why etch and no lenny ?
03:22<evilgenius>i was using QEMU it screwed up locking up system.. wouldn't let me switch grab controls
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03:24<tzafrir_laptop>it is self-built. bpo have a more standard-sounding version scheme
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03:24<tzafrir_laptop>evilgenius, qemu screwed up the system? that's a surprise
03:25<tzafrir_laptop>qemu is generally a bit lacking on performance (certainly if you don't use kqemu), and not as nice to set up
03:25<evilgenius>well... i ran it and then it booted the img then i tried to break free but CTRL+ALT wouldn't work.
03:25<tzafrir_laptop>but not as intrusive as vmware
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03:26<evilgenius>i gave it a keyboard layout en-US it worked but i was able to use controls inside QEMU but no way to switch out
03:26<tzafrir_laptop>I sometimes prefer to connect to it with vnc
03:26<fxiny>indeed . vwmarez is intrusive
03:26<evilgenius>i am using VNC, its my Server i need to install win xp for some reason....
03:26<fxiny>but works pretty well with official 2.6.18 kernels
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03:27<evilgenius>the kernel i got is (if i do a uname -r)
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03:27<tzafrir_laptop>evilgenius, hmm.. I normally run it with: -vnc 0 -monitor stdio
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03:28<fxiny>mine runs in a luksified etch , i could run nextenta appliances without problems , evil w2k , many upgrades from vmware and reistall . never failed
03:28<tzafrir_laptop>evilgenius, you can use m-a you build kqemu.
03:28<tzafrir_laptop>there's also virtualbox, though probably not on etch
03:28<evilgenius>oh well.. i was using VNC on server didn't know ... about the other one
03:29<fxiny>evilgenius: 2.6.23 ? bpo offers 2.6.26
03:29<tzafrir_laptop>btw: anybody here actually using all the virt* stuff?
03:29<evilgenius>bpo (back ports)
03:29<evilgenius>i have that in source list
03:29<tzafrir_laptop>and for anything other than Xen?
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03:30<evilgenius>the etch one.
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03:30<fxiny>evilgenius: with headers > linux-headers-2.6.26-bpo.1-all-i386
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03:31<evilgenius>ok i just finished compiling it too shall i cancle it?
03:31<tzafrir_laptop>or if you want an officially supported kernel, there's the etchandahalf 2.6.24 kernel
03:31<fxiny>evilgenius: not if is edible ;P
03:31<evilgenius>btw it was teh firs ttime i had to do a kernel complile so im sure its got some bugs ...
03:32<evilgenius>can i just ignore the compiled kernel i didn't install it yet
03:32<fxiny>i don't compile kernels in debian
03:33<fxiny>last was a woody preemtive . no more tx
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03:34<evilgenius>linux-headers-2.6.26-bpo.1-all-i386 should i add 3 tooo (
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03:35<tzafrir_laptop>evilgenius, naturally you should also get the matching linux-image package...
03:35<fxiny>i dunno about vmware and 2.6.26 bpo . as i said i installed a 2.6.26 on my old hardware for a test before moving to lenny
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03:35<tzafrir_laptop>evilgenius, but if you just compiled that kernel it is really pointless. etchandahalf 2.6.24 has been available for etch for quite some time
03:36<fxiny>26 performs much better then 24 on my PII 400
03:36<evilgenius>i really don't know what im doing, i don't have good idea of kernel thongs..
03:36<evilgenius>things* sorry
03:36<fxiny>24 is like a 2.6.18
03:37<evilgenius>i got a website running on server too and don't want to screw up.. maybe you could suggest some alterntive virtual software?
03:38<fxiny>evilgenius: kernel compile ? i take the sharing side of a debian kernel , debian has the hardware for helping me , and the security fix to avoid countless recompiles . that's why i do not even think of compiling a kernel
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03:39<fxiny>and i consider a kernel an amazing piece of software but a package like mutt
03:39<evilgenius>what i love about debian is that it never crashes lol i've had a etch server for 10 months crashed only 3 times due to my mistakes.
03:40<fxiny>ahh this one is a 2.6.18-6-vserver-686 :)
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03:42<evilgenius>can someone provide some help on QEMU , i 've got it now what other things i need to install a virt os
03:42<evilgenius>i got libvirt* too
03:42<fxiny>and with 2.6.24 debian added a second kernels to a stable release . who know what's in the future ?
03:43<Gekz>Nexenta OS is booting
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03:43<Gekz>lets see if it's any good shall we
03:43<fxiny>Gekz: heheeh
03:44<fxiny>uname -ar ;)
03:44<Gekz>what, on Nexenta?
03:44<Gekz>or where I am now
03:44<Gekz>its OpenSolaris
03:44<fxiny>sun kernel
03:44<Gekz>Debian userlands
03:44<Gekz>pretty sexy
03:45<Gekz>the installer opens in screen
03:45<Gekz>that's hardcore
03:46<fxiny>but watching a 2007 debconf talk . i learned that nextenta has some problems with sun . so i gave up
03:46<Gekz>then what
03:47<fxiny>compiler ? something like that
03:47<Gekz>ah I see.
03:47<fxiny>the nextenta mantainer said something like that
03:47<fxiny>at debconf 2007
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03:55<evilgenius>QEMU has now again taken over control and i can't switch back, neither does the keyboard repond..
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03:56<dpkg>one warez list being sent to toton
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03:58<evilgenius>any idea open /dev/kvm no file or dir....
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04:06<Gekz>I'm back
04:06<Gekz>nice to see we all waited
04:06<fxiny>of course
04:06<fxiny>so ?
04:06<Gekz>this is 2008
04:06<Gekz>almost 2009
04:06<Gekz>things change
04:06<Gekz>Nextenta 2 is on its way
04:07<fxiny>how is it ?
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04:07<Gekz>I dont know
04:07<Gekz>about to try it
04:07<Gekz>it's a slow installer in VM
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04:08<fxiny>first nextenta appliance was fast . no opensolaris back then
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04:08<fxiny>ahh you installing ?
04:09<fxiny>i see
04:10<fxiny>i've checked three appliances . only the first one was fast
04:11<fxiny>if the stock marked goes down again we can buy sun for a dime and eyeball *all* code :P
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04:14<Supaplex>or mickysoft
04:15<fxiny>nahh i want sun , l leave mickysoft to ubu :P
04:15<fxiny>they can have it :P
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04:25<fxiny>wt4x ! a lenovo dual screen ? am i in some parallel universe ? /.
04:26<fxiny>solstice side effect :P
04:26<Gekz>fxiny: it looks useless
04:26<fxiny>yes ?
04:26<fxiny>Gekz: lemme see
04:27<Gekz>are you asking for a link?
04:27<fxiny>Gekz: i'm on it
04:28<fxiny>Gekz: ram 8GB , 2hd 960GB
04:28<Gekz>yeah I know
04:28<Gekz>it's absolutely freaking hardcore
04:28<Gekz>and it's about $3000
04:28<Gekz>which isn't that cheap
04:28<Gekz>but I mean
04:28<Gekz>the screens
04:28<Gekz>whats the point of dual screens
04:28<Gekz>the battery must hate you
04:29<petemc>you dont see how more than one screen is useful?
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04:29<Gathond>I seriously doubt that "laptop" is intended to have much battery runtime anyway
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04:30<fxiny>how about the cooling ?
04:32<Gekz>petemc: I do not
04:32<fxiny>3000 is about two 4G decent laptops , easier then moving a case around
04:33<petemc>Gekz: more space to look at stuff
04:34<Gekz>petemc: yeah, but what could you require looking at that requires two screens on a laptop
04:35<Gekz>also, i use an eeepc with a 7 inch screen
04:35<Gekz>without a problem :P
04:35<fxiny>emacs and a browser
04:35<fxiny>why we should not enjoy that ?
04:36<petemc>Gekz: so, your argument is - you can use a 7" screen, so therefore no one else needs anything more than that?
04:36<fxiny>we f* deserve it
04:36<amphi>emacs has its own browser, no? ;)
04:36<Gekz>petemc: damn straight
04:36<Gekz>lol, no
04:36<petemc>i see
04:36<Gekz>I was simply showing context
04:36<Gekz>so you could understand why I dont understand why you need more than one screen
04:36<Gekz>it wasnt needless at all
04:36<Gekz>it means I require explanation
04:36<fxiny>amphi: i don't like everything emacs does
04:36<petemc>i use a small laptop sometimes too, and 3 big monitors in work
04:36<Gekz>I don't like emacs, I use vim
04:37<fxiny>i use both
04:37<amphi>fxiny: I doubt any single human can know all emacs does
04:37<Gekz>amphi: rms would like to
04:37<fxiny>but emacs helps when the muses sing
04:37<fxiny>amphi: hehehe
04:39<amphi>Gekz: what's the problem? I have a fairly small panel (12") on my laptop, I find it perfectly usable, but it's nonetheless pleasant to plug a monitor in and sprawl around a bit more
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04:39<Gekz>I used to use two monitors at home here
04:39<Gekz>but I can't find a reason for it anymore
04:40<Gekz>unless i need a screen to display something long-term
04:40<Gekz>like a video feed
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04:43<fxiny>i'm not thinkig about corporat idiots manager . take some situation like debconf , ask the video team if such a laptop can be useful . i am sure they will say yes
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04:43<fxiny>it costs like 2 laps
04:44<fxiny>they can store tons of stuff in it
04:46<jeff008>hello every body, i would like to kwon what is the size maxi for /usr ? thank u ;)
04:47<fxiny>lenovo could sponsor debconf , why not ?
04:47<petemc>jeff008: why would there be a maximum size?
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04:49<jeff008>cause i try to write an ideal partition table for a new server and desktop ... and i want : / primary /boot logical /usr logical
04:50<tzafrir_laptop>jeff008, why would you need /boot ?
04:50<weasel>and furthermore, why on earth do you want boot on an extended partition
04:50<tzafrir_laptop>Why do you need a separate /usr on a desktop?
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04:52<jeff008>i would like /boot maybe, if i wan't raid or an other hard disk
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04:53<jeff008>and /usr for having no problems
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04:54<jeff008>i dont know if / 35 GO primary is better than / 10 Go primary /boot 200 Mo Logical /usr 15 Go logical
04:55<fxiny>root primary and boot logical mekes no sense : logicals are shit to recover
04:56<jeff008>;) fxiny
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04:56<jeff008>soo what is the best?
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04:57<fxiny>jeff008: the best ? there are stats and docs for multipartitioning schemes . pro and cons
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04:58<petemc>a lot of people like to keep home on its own partition so you can retain your data in the event that you reinstall
04:58<petemc>i most often just use one large / partition
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04:58<fxiny>yes , and to store / backups in /home
04:59<jeff008>ok ...
04:59<fxiny>my lenny will have a / maintenance partition with baseinstall in it + backups utils . no freaking x
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05:00<jeff008>i ve an other question... what's ideal size / primary (whit /boot /usr ...) ?
05:01<cahoot>you plan a separate /home?
05:01<jeff008>yes i separate /home /var /var/log /var/mail /var/spool /srv /tmp
05:02<fxiny>good for wasting space
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05:02<jeff008>300 Go
05:02<fxiny>i did it
05:02<fxiny>no more , tx
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05:02<jeff008>and swap of course 2 go
05:03<jeff008>all of them logicals
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05:03<jeff008>only / primary
05:03<fxiny>you ignoring lvm
05:03<jeff008>soo my question about ideal size /
05:04<petemc>jeff008: a lot of the point of having everything on its own partition was due to small hard disks and shitty filesystems, these factors arent as relevent now
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05:05<fxiny>i have a 4G / on my desktop . i tell lvm if i want more . no headeache
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05:05<jeff008>i ve only one disk
05:06<jeff008>and this is a test server
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05:06<jeff008>and i don't know how to do lvm with only one disk
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05:07<petemc>you do it the same way as you would with more than one disk
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05:09<jeff008>soo is it better to do lvm for a server ?
05:09<jeff008>and desktop ~ 100 Go
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05:10<petemc>better is relative to your particular needs
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05:14<jeff008>i want sever web, mail, data bases, ftp, dns etc ... and applications design, video , desktop ;) on the same disk
05:14<jeff008>60% server 40% desktop
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05:15<jeff008>is lvm better and is there poblems whith crypt , ssh ?
05:16<fxiny>you want what the average debian user uses
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05:17<jeff008>what do u think about / 35 Go primary ? and the others parts logicals ?
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05:18<Bert_2>Hi, what programes are there to make my etch server into a socks proxy server that's a bit secure (so with auth or something) ?
05:21<valdyn>if lvm had write barriers then id say its always better
05:22<valdyn>jeff008: lvm allows you to do some funky things you cant do without. We cant know if you need that though
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05:24<uncreative>Hi. I don't know if this is the right channel for this or not, but can anyone answer a quick question on partimage, or show me where to go to discuss it?
05:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
05:25<uncreative>What does partimage's 'Check Partition Before Saving' option do?
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05:26<valdyn>uncreative: what does the documentation say about that?
05:26<uncreative>valdyn: I looked. It said nothing.
05:26<Bert_2>uncreative: as fxiny said, fsck
05:27<uncreative>Thank you so much!
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05:27<fxiny>uncreative: i always skip it
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05:27<valdyn>badblocks would often make more sense
05:27<uncreative>Considering I just did fsck less than 24 hours ago, I'm gonna skip it as well.
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05:29<jeff008>thank u so mutch for your help ;) i must read how to lvm ...
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05:29<uncreative>Off to do the backup. Thank you once again!
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05:33<agmou>i have a question \
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05:36<Naicamine>does anyone know where i can find a more complete list similar to the one here:
05:36<gsimmons>!tell agmou -about ask
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05:38<valdyn>!sata faq
05:38<dpkg> or
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05:38<valdyn>Naicamine: ^^^ already has more companies listed
05:38<valdyn>but from my pov the blacksheep list would be smaller
05:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 352] by debhelper
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05:40<Naicamine> i want to find a new laptop to install debian on, that i can just install free drivers on without having to install patches
05:40<valdyn>wow and that blacksheep list is ancient and partially wrong
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05:41<valdyn>Naicamine: such a list is not useful for that
05:41<Naicamine>what do you suggest?
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05:41<valdyn>Naicamine: *any* large company like intel ibm etc have parts that do and parts that do not support linux
05:41<valdyn>Naicamine: i suggest you rely on google and what different people already experienced
05:42<valdyn>Naicamine: or buy at a vendor that guarantees you linux supporting its hardware
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05:43<valdyn>Naicamine: ... or buy at a vendor that is so popular that people will make linux support it
05:43<valdyn>Naicamine: like it used to be the case for thinkpads
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05:44<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro: the 'apt/sources/mirror/'( problem from yesterday morning is mostly resolved. wanted to let you know that and please pass on my appreciation to the folks that resolved it.
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05:44<valdyn>Naicamine: lsusb -n and lsusb -n outputs combined with websites that check that output against linux drivers can help you
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05:45<cahoot>won't help decide what to buy though
05:45<Naicamine>yeah ive used that before
05:46<valdyn>Naicamine: or you go straight intel hardware, then you will get everything supported
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05:47<valdyn>Naicamine: and intel does ship the best supported wlan and gfx h/w anyway
05:47<cahoot>Naicamine: comfort yourself with the info that linux is the OS that supports most hw natively
05:47<valdyn>Naicamine: personally i dont really do checks, i just use some rules of the thumb
05:48<valdyn>Naicamine: like: avoiding ati chips ( though thats getting better ), and seeking intel wlan / lan chips
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05:49<valdyn>heck even those amazingly horrible tv things from terratec are getting drivers
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05:49<valdyn>( same brand name and type while having different chips etc)
05:50<Naicamine>are there any companies that i should def stay away from? (besides ATI)
05:51<valdyn>Naicamine: anything dvb
05:51<valdyn>Naicamine: but thats not a company
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05:51<valdyn>Naicamine: and you are asking for laptops anyway
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05:52<Naicamine>valdyn: dvb?
05:52<valdyn>Naicamine: thats digital tv
05:52<Naicamine>o ok
05:52<cahoot>OTOH my dvb-t works just fine
05:52<valdyn>cahoot: yes, sure
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05:53<valdyn>cahoot: but you have to be very careful as to which device to buy
05:53<cahoot>(was bundled)
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05:53<valdyn>cahoot: because as i said terratec will sell you completely different products under the same name
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05:54<valdyn>now writing drivers for those seems to be easy enough so one does pop up ( out of mainline linux ), but its a pain to get those working for non-experts
05:54<cahoot>I'd say it's almost impossible to make a really well founded decision since everything moves/changes so fast
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05:55<valdyn>Naicamine: i have 3 wlan chips, realtek, atheros and intel, only intels works perfectly
05:55<valdyn>Naicamine: all 3 are in linux mainline
05:56<valdyn>Naicamine: stuff like that is what makes this tricky
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05:56<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: np; it was weasel who did the hard work
05:57<valdyn>Naicamine: but this is *not* different on windows
05:57<valdyn>Naicamine: even there wlan chipset vendors ship lame drivers
05:57<Naicamine>i have an Acer Aspire 5315 laptop right now
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05:58<cahoot>wouldn't it be fair to say hw is less a problem than finding slick apps for things like multimedia and uch
05:58<Naicamine>it runs ubuntu fine, but my debian install disk cant load the ethernet drivers
05:58<valdyn>Naicamine: cant even skype properly with wlan on windows on the latest windows driver
05:59<valdyn>Naicamine: thats a minor issue, like etch installer having an old kernel
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05:59<Naicamine>valdyn: so dl a newer disk and it should work?
05:59<valdyn>Naicamine: yes
05:59<valdyn>Naicamine: you want to use lenny anyway on a new laptop, not etch, most probably
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06:00<gsimmons>Naicamine: Specifically, the BCM5906M controller isn't supported by the tg3 driver in Etch's 2.6.18 kernel. An Etch-And-A-Half installer (2.6.24 kernel) will work fine however.
06:00<Naicamine>valdyn: kk sounds good, ill try it, prolly start on it now ;)
06:00<valdyn>Naicamine: one thing that could be major for some people is that debian installers just wont support many wlan chips
06:01<metalqga>valdyn that is so true
06:01<valdyn>Naicamine: but appearantly youd want to use cabled ethernet, so thats a non-issue for you
06:01<Naicamine>valdyn: i got wifi to work with ubuntu
06:01<valdyn>Naicamine: thats something else
06:01<valdyn>Naicamine: you can get any wifi to work on debian that you can get to work on ubuntu
06:02<valdyn>Naicamine: just the installer wont do it for you
06:02<valdyn>Naicamine: ubuntu will ship firmware on the installer, debian will not.
06:02<metalqga>and which is better I still can't decide
06:02<Naicamine>valdyn: no installer, i compiled from source
06:03<valdyn>Naicamine: and older wlan chips usually need firmware, new ones do not
06:03<valdyn>and this is kinda ironic, since makeing wlan chips worse, kinda like winmodems makes them in this case better supported
06:03<MotoHoss>Along those same lines does that round-robin member list change much/often? ?
06:04<valdyn>MotoHoss: uh? its dns round robin, no?
06:04<valdyn>MotoHoss: so random 1 in 3
06:05<valdyn>MotoHoss: or 5
06:05<valdyn>MotoHoss: you can run "dig" and watch it change order
06:06<MotoHoss>valdyn: yes. true. but do the members of that round robin change... is my question.
06:06<valdyn>MotoHoss: ah, ok, no idea
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06:07<MotoHoss>netselect-apt in my experience does always give me the most 'reliable' mirror... just the 'fastest'... I am looking to strike a balance.
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06:14<Naicamine>i was looking at
06:14<Naicamine>should the machines there run debian ok?
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06:16<MotoHoss>there was a laptop thread on debian-user list just recently. some good info there.
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06:17<_>i installed insserv
06:17<_>wanna try concurrent boot
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06:17<_>and i m kinda noob ))))
06:17<_>should i know smth before i did something stupid?
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06:27<MotoHoss>is there an accessible $Linode_Creation_Time stored somewhere that is accessible?
06:28<MotoHoss>oopes wrong channel.
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06:36<osman>hi guys i wanna ask something
06:37<osman>i want to use debian experimental
06:37<osman>i installed debian lenny
06:37<osman>then i editted the source list and i erased the lenny and wrote unstable there
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06:38<osman>then update & upgrade
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06:38<osman>now what i should do to use experimental
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06:39<cahoot>osman try /msg dpkg iyhtays
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06:40<arnaud__>I am looking for information on making a persistent storage of files on a flash with debian-live
06:40<arnaud__>Does somebody has such an experience (yes, I googled, read the wiki, ...). I am encountering some problems.
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06:41<Lethalman>arnaud__: try #debian-live
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06:42<arnaud__>OK, I jump there. Thanks.
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06:46<roberto>bom dia, Gostaria de saber como instalar o cubo no ubuntu 8.10 ou alguns tutorial confiavel
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06:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
06:49<cahoot>ubuntu too
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06:50<amphi>heh, missed thst
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07:14<Gekz> is playing up for me
07:14<Gekz>Internal server error
07:14<Gekz>... It's ok now
07:14<fxiny>updating perl ?
07:14<Gekz>I lied.
07:14<Gekz>I unlie
07:14<Gekz>I dunno, I guess so
07:15<amphi>same here
07:15<fxiny>no porbs here , i did it before
07:15<Gekz>I forgot how to backport
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07:15<Gekz>and I need to backport from experimental to lenny
07:15<Gekz>I need the new pidgin
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07:15<Gekz>no ifs or buts
07:16<blarson>!tell Gekz about backport
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07:16<fxiny>Gekz: so how is the *tenta ?
07:17<Gekz>its ok
07:17<Gekz>I guess
07:17<Gekz>I'm installing stuff
07:17<Gekz>see if I can get xorg working
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07:18<Gekz>what's the main mirror of debian?
07:18<Gekz>I have forgotten that also
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07:19<dondelelcaro>Gekz: there isn't a main mirror
07:19<dondelelcaro>(well, I lie, but it's not one that you can use)
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07:22<weasel>dondelelcaro: there isn't a main mirror
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07:22<weasel>dondelelcaro: ftp-master isn't a mirror :)
07:23<dondelelcaro>weasel: picky picky. ;-)
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07:26<dondelelcaro>Gekz: but in any event, you don't really care what mirror is primary; pick one that's close to you that is up to date according to the mirror status
07:27<Gekz>that's what I meant by the main mirror
07:27<Guest551>Hi, can anybody tell me what the error "Speicherzugriffsfehler" after the running apt-get upgrade means and how can I solve that problem?
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07:29<fosstux>Hi! How can I import the key for
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07:29<cahoot>Guest551: try LANG=C apt-get upgrade
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07:32<Guest551>cahoot: I just tried LANG=C apt-get upgrade --> still the same error message...
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07:33<cahoot>seems (accoding to google) it means segmentationfault
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07:35<fxiny>segfault ? wt4x
07:35<weasel>does apt-get update fail too?
07:36<Guest551>it is german, I don't know what it is in English... free translation by me: memory access error... I have also tried to delete the bin files in /var/cache/apt/ without success... No, apt-get updade makes no problems
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07:38<weasel>Guest551: do you have any non-standard entries in your sources.list?
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07:40<Guest551>I added "deb etch main" to my sources.list... the other entries are: # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 Etch - Official i386 kde-CD Binary-1 20080217-12:08]/ etch contrib main
07:40<Guest551>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 Etch - Official i386 kde-CD Binary-1 20080217-12:08]/ etch contrib main
07:40<Guest551>deb etch main contrib non-free
07:40<Guest551>deb-src etch main contrib non-free
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07:43<Guest551>seems I had problems... So again: I added "deb etch main" to my sources.list...
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07:44<fxiny>comment out the cd line and add security : deb etch/updates main
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07:48<Guest551>Thanks, that's it... deb etch/updates main --> I removed contrib and non-free from that source and the error doesn't appear again....
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07:52<fxiny>i don't think adding contrib non-free to security line gives problems
07:53<fxiny>tought you missed it
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07:53<andax>i'm looking for a solution to get some information about bandwidth usage broken down by running processes. Just like in the way, say iptraf which gives me totals, what if i'm curious about breakdown not by ports or hosts but processes. example: how do I know how much bandwidth does skype/bittorrent/whatever is using currently?
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07:54<Guest551>I can't understand why it worked the last days... anywhere after removing it, everything was ok...
07:55<fxiny>i've double checked it : adding contrib non-free to security does no harm
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07:57<fxiny>Guest551: just guessing , maybe was the cd line : bad cd ?
07:57<Guest551>that's what i did in that moment, too... And it works, too. So i think the problem is anywhere else... but it is working now... Thank you again...
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08:39<Gekz>so I installed all these dev librarie
08:39<Gekz>how can I now remove them
08:40<Gekz>go die
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08:41<petern>you weren't joking?
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08:41<petern>aptitude... remove... libname-dev...
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08:43<Gekz>I installed it with apt-get build-dep
08:43<Gekz>should there be a removal version?
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08:54<[AoPeN]>excuse me ... but this irc network is in english language
08:54<abrotman>this channel is, would you prefer a different language ?
08:55<abrotman>there are other channels on this network that speak other languages
08:56<andax>abrotman, try /join #debian.TLD ( like or something )
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08:56<andax>sorry wrong nick
08:57*abrotman can find them :)
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08:57<[AoPeN]>good evening... see you later
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09:04<phrhd>hi, i have a question wiping a disk with the help of the debian installer erase function
09:04<phrhd>yeah, well...what exactly does that do to my hdd?
09:04<phrhd>i know it is overwriting it with random data
09:04<weasel>probably overwrite it with all zeroes
09:04<phrhd>but how and how often?
09:04<weasel>probably once, and probably using dd
09:05<weasel>not that I know or have looked at it
09:05<weasel>this is just my guess
09:05<phrhd>i just wondered because they say that the data CANNOT be recovered after that
09:05<phrhd>so that should be 7 times
09:06<abrotman>phrhd: cannot be recovered without expensive data recovery
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09:06<weasel>and even then probably not very likely
09:06<weasel>maybe if you are a TLA
09:06<abrotman>phrhd: so roughly .. if your dad does it .. data is gone
09:06<phrhd>so, if i was paranois, i would run that 7 times over my disk?
09:06<abrotman>phrhd: are you trying to get some data off a drive? or just install debian ?
09:07<phrhd>i am trying to get data off the drive...want to install OpenBSD and i just thought to use this easy method
09:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dban is Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction.
09:07<abrotman>if you really want it *gone* .. but if you're just going to install another distro, i don't see the point
09:07<abrotman>it's not like the drive is leaving your care
09:08<phrhd>no, but i want to use the machine as a server...
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09:09<kapil>abrotman: thanks for that (dban). i'll pass it on to ilugc where this was asked last week.
09:09<phrhd>don't know...
09:09<abrotman>kapil: you're welcome
09:09<phrhd>what if the server get's captured by the police some day?
09:09<abrotman>phrhd: you are afraid someone is going to break into your obsd box, and start scanning platters for old data ?
09:09<abrotman>phrhd: then try the dban thing ..
09:10<phrhd>no idea
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09:10<phrhd>i will try that
09:10<ehnvis>phrhd: why should it be captured by the police in the first place. as long as your not involved in any criminal activity that is
09:11<phrhd>who defines criminal activity?
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09:11<ehnvis>i wouldnt run any server without some kind of encryption anyway and an emergency data destruction tool.
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09:12<abrotman>oh .. indian user group
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09:15<kapil>in that case it may be better to have an encrypted disk. when the enemy comes calling you could just "lose" the decryption key. destroying the decryption key would take less time than erasing the entire disk.
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09:17<abrotman>but that most systems have the capability to mount that disk automatically
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09:25<ehnvis>true, but thats why you dont automount an encrypted disk without a key (usb stick).
09:25<ehnvis>or any other type of token
09:25<abrotman>yeah .. the police would never find that if they were seizing your systems :)
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09:29<Sebbb78>hi , i have a problem with VMWare Center Server , i can't browse my file to install the virtulized machine. Does someone know a solution ?
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09:38<enouf>Sebbb78: try #vmware channels? (try as well)
09:38<Sebbb78>join #vmware
09:38<Sebbb78>i will try
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09:47<josemulli>hola a todosss
09:47<josemulli>buenos diasss
09:50<enouf>josemulli: english only in here please .. otherwise see #debian-es or #debian-br?
09:50<josemulli>alguien me lee?
09:50<josemulli>ok thanks enouf
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09:50<enouf>sure, np
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10:04<msch>hi, could somebody tell me the recommended way to install ghc 6.10?
10:06<enouf>msch: what is it?
10:06<enouf>msch: is it packaged and in debian official?
10:07<bremner>I think ghc 6.10 has not been packaged for debian yet
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10:08<enouf>judd: versions ghc
10:08<judd>enouf: ghc --
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10:08<msch>judd: versions ghc6
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10:08<judd>msch: ghc6 -- etch: 6.6-3 lenny: 6.8.2-7 sid: 6.8.2-7
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10:09<mgoetze>msch: the recommended way is to go to and hit f5 every few minutes until something happens
10:10<mgoetze>msch: alternatively, you could compile it from source...
10:10<msch>mgoetze: yeah i found that too. I was just wondering if there's a way to build ghc 6.10 from source myself
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10:10<msch>mgoetze: while packaging it nicely?
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10:11-!-no is "(unknown)" on (unknown)
10:11<mgoetze>msch: i would just build it with --prefix=/opt/ghc6 or whatever, then when a package comes along you can just do rm -r
10:12<dpkg>stow is probably a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>.
10:12<dpkg>methinks checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. | Not in etch because of bug #281823 Ask me about <stow>.
10:12*abrotman feels bad
10:12<fxiny>mgoetze : f5 ? install websec
10:13<mgoetze>fxiny: but then you have to come up with something else to do while you're waiting ;)
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10:14<msch>ok, i think i'll go with --prefix, because i don't want to break the packages that depend on 6.8. Thanks everybody for your help!
10:14<fxiny>mgoetze: i use websec since before it was packaged , some sites do nasty redirect so jut do a little hacking using wget and webdiff wich comes with websec
10:15<fxiny>mgoetze: i monitor tons of rss this way , it hilights new feeds
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10:16<fxiny>and i send all of them in one single page to iceweasel
10:16<mgoetze>fxiny: can it extract comics from webpages? (though i think i'll implement that myself sometime soon so my perl doesn't get rusty)
10:17<fxiny>mgoetze: nope m only words , but if you do it just tell me :)
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10:22<fxiny>mgoetze: waiting ? tell cron to run it . you can add beeps or osd_cat notifications , you'll be notified only if something has changed
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10:22<fxiny>so i think checking a bug report more then one time a day is wrong
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10:23<fxiny>i do harass news puppets sites at will . but they deserve it :)
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10:25<fxiny>in fact one of this sites all of a sudden set a nasty redirect up , in minutes i wrote a bash script using wget and webdiff : i won :P
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10:26<apostle>Are there advantage to compiling from source code the packages on the local terms of compiling from source code configures the package more specific for the system?
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10:27<mgoetze>apostle: if you know what you're doing you can get an advantage, but it's not worthwhile for the vast majority of software
10:28<enouf>apostle: try #gentoo :-P
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10:33<apostle>enouf, I see where your going with this....just read about Portage. What can I say other than I love Debian's Stability.
10:33<debacle>i haal, please help my debian box has PANIC. I've rebooted it and reading at /var/log/messages i've found these lines ... ... can anyone help me undestaing the meaning. Thanks in advance
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10:34<dr|z3d>apostle: If you like the idea using your system to compile binaries, then Gentoo is the way to go.
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10:34<mgoetze>debacle: is this a debian-packaged kernel?
10:35<debacle>mgoetze: yes !
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10:36<debacle>mgoetze: uname report Linux stillfile 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Nov 26 18:26:02 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
10:36<debacle>mgoetze: i'm on lenny
10:37<kapil>apostle: nothing _wrong_ with building packages from source. it could help you learn about packaging etc. however, doing it to gain speed/resources is unlikely to be a success.
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10:37<dr|z3d>Anyone know if I can push x11vnc to just do 1screen (no virtual desktops) with a simple switch? It's not obvious from --help
10:37<debacle>mgoetze: is it possible bzip2 has kernel-paniced the OS ?
10:38<mgoetze>debacle: i can't figure that one out, sorry
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10:38<apostle>kapil, thanks I appreciate the responses.
10:38<debacle>mgoetze: ok tnkz
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10:39<kapil>dr|z3d: afaik. x11vnc replicates everything the xserver draws via the vnc protocol so preventing the export of virtual desktops is unlikely to work.
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10:41<Bushmills>yes. looking at the wrong place. the window manager is where virtual desktops would have to be disabled.
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10:42<dr|z3d>kapil: Yeah, I kinda got that impression. If so, can I prevent X from using virtual desktops? My window manager already has them disabled. ie. Only 1 vd is speficied.
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10:42<tanner>anyone know anythign about DSL? (Damn Small Linux i think)
10:42<metalqga>it's small
10:42<bremner>!tell tanner about dsl
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10:42<abrotman>it's OT ?
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10:43<tanner>im tryin to load it so i can format my hard drive..its screwed up somehow (by partition magic i think) but when it gets to the 'Scanning for USB Devices' it seems to lock up...any ideas?
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10:43<metalqga>try gparted livecd
10:44<tanner>i tried that too ...had no odea which option to use...but nothin there seemed to work either
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10:44<kapil>dr|z3d: the vnc client can send commands to your window manager to re-enable virtual desktops (unless it is view-only).
10:45<Bushmills>dr|z3d: X doesn't know about multiple desktops. those are either dedicated programs, or window manager provided features.
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10:46<Bushmills>(unless you think of xinerama, multiview and such)
10:46<abrotman>tanner: this channel is for Debian support
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10:46<abrotman>tanner: i think you want #damnsmalllinux on
10:46<tanner>can you recommend a channel for my problem?
10:46<tanner>ok thanks
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10:47<abrotman>or try ##linux on freenode
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10:47<dr|z3d>Bushmills: That I also suspected. In which case, I'm suspecting the wm might be allocating virtual desktops even when they're activated :/
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10:49<Bushmills>dr|z3d: is it the kind of virtual desktops you can switch between, or which gives you a larger desktop than fits on the screen? i.e. several screen sized desktops, or one larger-than-screen desktop?
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10:56<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Several desktops. x11vnc at native resolution scales to 4 virtual desktops vertically.
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10:58<Bushmills>i don't understand
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10:59<dr|z3d>Bushmills: The vertical resolution is desktop res * 4.
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10:59<dr|z3d>Bushmills: So at when the desktops scaled to fit on the screen in my viewer, I see 1024*(768*4).
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11:00<dr|z3d>(Scaled to fit on the screen.. a long rectangle)
11:03<apostle>Is anyone familiar what software is available so I could record telephone calls from my modem into mp3's? or even turning my linux machine into an answering machine?
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11:05<enouf>apostle: audacity comes to mind . perhaps
11:05<Bushmills>mgetty should be able to
11:05<enouf>apostle: for part A above
11:06<apostle>enouf, what I mean is for my telephone to ring and be picked up and recorded by a program....Does audacity have this capability?
11:06<Bushmills>though vgetty (part of mgetty package)
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11:06<enouf>apostle: no, but it can record and save as mp3 and other formats
11:07<Bushmills>apostle: read
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11:08<apostle>Bushmills, thanks
11:08<enouf>apostle: is about all i can offer - maybe see or something
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11:22<debacle>How can i set screen resolution from standard 640x480 to higher value to ma debian box (i've no x11 installed, i use as headless server)
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11:24<mgoetze>debacle: you want to change the resolution of a nonexistent screen?
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11:25<debacle>no ... i have the screen ... but my debian has no x11 ... it's running in textual mode (CLI)
11:26<mgoetze>debacle: fbset
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11:27<debacle>mgoetze: thank you
11:28<debacle>mgoetze: /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
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11:29<simonrvn>need fb console for fbset ;)
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11:30<simonrvn>modprobe vesafb should do
11:30<debacle>simonrvn: so ... is there a way to change screen resolution ?
11:30<debacle>simonrvn: ahh ok
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11:30<mgoetze>seems vesafb got renamed to uvesafb?
11:31<simonrvn>no, that's a user space managed one.
11:31<mgoetze>my 2.6.26 from testing doesn't have a vesafb module
11:31<simonrvn>a daemon loaded by the kernel sets the fb device
11:32<simonrvn>v86d; meant to be built into an initrd, or loaded very early on. it's meant to be in an initrd, works best there.
11:32<debacle>simonrvn: vesafb module not found ...
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11:33<simonrvn>then it's not there :)
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11:33<mgoetze>yeah that's what i was saying
11:34<simonrvn>you could use svgatextmode, at worst
11:34<mgoetze>debacle: what kind of graphics chipset?
11:35<debacle>mgoetze: it's an intel GMA950
11:35<mgoetze>debacle: try modprobe intelfb then
11:35<mgoetze>or modprobe i810fb
11:36<simonrvn>one of those should do...
11:37<mgoetze>otherwise, if you get desperate, just reboot and pass "vga=ask" to the kernel :)
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11:39<debacle>mgoetze: intelfb has set my screen resolution out of range .. just a sec i'm rebooting
11:40<simonrvn>. o O ( mental note: do *not* use intelfb )
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11:43<debacle>simonrvn: infact, it do not work. i810fb seem to be loaded but still no /dev/fb is found
11:43<mgoetze>i do wonder where vesafb disappeared to
11:43<simonrvn>hm, maybe you can find one via modinfo -l | grep '*fb.ko$'
11:44<simonrvn>erm, grep -E
11:44<mgoetze>how about just dropping the '*' from that grep :)
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11:45<debacle>simonrvn: mmm ... ok ... just a sec ... thank you in the meantine
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11:48<MotoHoss>Will d-i run stand alone from a running system, so i can install it on another HDD?
11:49<simonrvn>use debootstrap...
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11:54<MotoHoss>simonrvn: tx.
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12:07<LoGiCa>Hi i'm connecting my debian box to an acive directory server ( and have got as far as installing the ntp server, but I cant find ntp.conf in the /etc/ directory.Can anyone help me with this? (debian 4.0r5)
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12:10<LoGiCa>I have installed the ntp packages
12:11<adb>apt-file search ntp.conf
12:11<adb>cat /etc/ntp.conf
12:12<petemc>all you need is ntp and adjtimex installed, it should do the right thing
12:13<simonrvn>MotoHoss: np
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12:17<memetral>I think I'm using a very old kernel - 2.4.24-xfs. Is there a reasonably foolproof upgrade guide that would apply to me?
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12:18<memetral>trying to get pptpd working but it wants some kernel mods
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12:18<LoGiCa>sebash: apt-file: command not found and cat: /etc/ntp.conf: No such file or directory
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12:20<dr|z3d>LoGiCa: apt-get install apt-file
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12:22<abrotman>!tell dr|z3d about why aptitude
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12:23<dr|z3d>apt-get/aptitude. whichever suits.
12:24<dr|z3d>for apt-file, apt-get is sufficient :)
12:24<abrotman>it's the habit
12:24<Valtiel-ASD>if i use aptitude too many files be removed half os
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12:25<abrotman>Valtiel-ASD: then you need to tell it not to do that
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12:25<Valtiel-ASD>but if i use apt-get all nornaly
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12:25<abrotman>LoGiCa: and if i had to guess .. ntp-common
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12:25<abrotman>Valtiel-ASD: then tell aptitude to not do that .. it's not hard
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12:26<LoGiCa>Setting up adjtimex (1.21.1-1) ...
12:26<LoGiCa>Regulating system clock...done.
12:26<LoGiCa>Comparing clocks (this will take 70 sec)...
12:26<LoGiCa>just sits there...
12:27<abrotman>70 seconds
12:29<LoGiCa>yeah been 5 mins at least
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12:36<prem_>i have pentium D processor ,shall i try x64 version of debian on my pc , has anyone did this before?
12:37<abrotman>not sure all PentuimD are 64bit ..
12:37<prem_>because pentium D supports amd64 version of debian and debian website recommends it ?
12:37<abrotman>so either use amd64 or i386
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12:39<prem_>now i am in ubuntu , so how is debian , i am downloading debian now?
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12:39<EmleyMoor>amd64 is a good choice but there are a few apps you might have problems with if you intend to use them a lot
12:40<prem_>i am curious to look for how debian goes on ?
12:40<EmleyMoor>Having said that, I am using amd64
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12:40<prem_>thank u
12:40<prem_>emleymoor which processor r running
12:41<EmleyMoor>Athlon 64 X3 Phenom
12:41*abrotman points at the three-legged dog!
12:41<prem_>i have pentium D , so is there any problem
12:42<EmleyMoor>No problems specific to Pentium D that I have heard
12:42<prem_>i saw this website for intel x64 machines to install amd64 version
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12:43<EmleyMoor>Yes - Intel do make some amd64/x86_64 now
12:43<prem_>can i install x64 version to pentium D
12:43<bremner>prem_: if you don't have more than 2G of memory, probably not too much point. Up to you...
12:44<prem_>ok bremner
12:44<EmleyMoor>prem_ You should be able to. Try it, but i386 will work too
12:44<prem_>so bremner why did u choose debian ?
12:44<narhen>I am trying to install debain amd64 on my pc. I have installed and corfigured tftp-hpa and dhcp3-server. When I am booting up via tftp I get the following message:
12:45<abrotman>bremner: admit it .. it was the 'free beer' promotion!
12:45<narhen>can anyone please help me figure what is wrong?
12:45<bremner>prem_: I got tired of compiling things in FreeBSD.
12:45<prem_>i am a newbie to linux , 1st year computer science engineering , so is it good to use debian , any suggestions
12:45<bremner>prem_: well, of course _we_ think so. :-)
12:46<abrotman>prem_: what kind of programming will they have you do ?
12:46<bremner>prem_: the best linux is the one your friends can help you with...
12:46*abrotman makes friends with bremner
12:46<EmleyMoor>Debian is reliable, doesn't move too fast, and seems to work well on all systems I have trie
12:46<prem_>c ,c++ , java , python
12:47<mgoetze>narhen: what tftpd are you using?
12:47<narhen>mgoetze: tftp-hpa
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12:49<mgoetze>narhen: have you set next-server correctly (are you seeing tftp requests arrive on the tftp server)?
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12:49<Garp> Question: I have some old ISA 3Com card with a boot rom socket. I would like to read teh content of that boot rom, how can I? I used 3c5x9setup, but this seems ponly to read 32 bytes of some onboard EEPROM, and seems not to be able to access the socket. Any suggestion? Thanks.
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12:51<narhen>mgoetze: Yes i think I have got that part correct. In syslog i can see that tftpd are serving the files
12:51<narhen>2 sec i will upload the dhcpd.conf
12:53<LoGiCa>the adjtimex is still just sitting there, it wot let me install anything else until its campared clocks, what can I do?
12:53<abrotman>hit ctrl-c
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12:53<memetral>uname reports 2.4.24-xfs. What's that xfs bit about? If I want to build from source, do I use 2.4.24?
12:54<mgoetze>narhen: it's weird, because the pxelinux wiki page lists tftp-hpa as first recommendation right after saying it needs a server which supports the tsize option
12:54<LoGiCa>yeah but the package is not finished installing (1 not fully installed or removed)
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12:54<abrotman>Garp: i vaguely remember one, but can't find it
12:55<narhen>mgoetze: Yes I know..
12:55<narhen>hmm, what command can I use to show what programs Is installed?
12:55<narhen>apt-get .... ?
12:55<abrotman>Garp: do you have nictools ?
12:55<mgoetze>dpkg -l
12:55<dpkg>mgoetze: wish i knew
12:55<Garp>abrotman: I gave another try on google, using a different approach and got "diag-ether" <- seems tit's waht I want: beinga ble to burn an eeprom with a NIC
12:56<abrotman>!info nictools-nopci lenny
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12:56<dpkg>nictools-nopci: (Diagnostic tools for many non-PCI ethernet cards), section net, is extra. Version: 1.3.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 256 kB
12:57<Garp>abrotman: thanks for the nictools pointer too.
12:57<mgoetze>narhen: if you add a valid pxelinux.cfg/C0A800C2 file, is it found?
12:58<Garp>abrotman : I'm amazed by the number of little known (at least to me) very low level utilities for NIC. I guess hackers wrote them when writing the drivers...
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13:00<narhen>mgoetze: yes those files are found
13:01<mgoetze>narhen: and then gives the tsize error message immediately?\
13:01<Garp>abrotman: you gave me somethiong to chew ;) Thanks. I'll work on that, and maybe come back for another questions in a few days/week/something. At least I know now that it's possible: "Success! Using network card to program EEPROM"
13:01<narhen>mgoetze: Yes immediatley after et tryes to load default
13:02<Garp>abrotman: I installed nictools, will see what I can use there (just want to *read* the content first)
13:02<Garp>see ya.
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13:02<mgoetze>narhen: well, that's strange. assuming you're using debian packages, i'd suggest you file a bug
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13:04<narhen>mhm, it may me a bug. The server are running ubuntu server 810
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13:04<mgoetze>narhen: hm, try etch ;)
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13:06<EmleyMoor>When I plug in my USB sound card, it plays the login sound - why?
13:06<memetral>kernel-headers-2.4.24-xfs isn't available, is this likely to be true, or just a misconfig of my apt system?
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13:06<petemc>memetral: definately true
13:07<narhen>mgoetze: ok. I am not very pro in linux.. (as u probably figured.:p) what do you mean with etch? Is it another form of installing?
13:07<memetral>ok. Suggestions on a reasonable safe version to upgrade to from that ver?
13:07<petemc>what version of debian are you running?
13:07<memetral>Knoppix 2.4.24
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13:08<petemc>thats not a version of debian, unfortunately
13:08<mgoetze>narhen: etch is the current stable release of debian
13:08<sergi>hay algun español en la sala?
13:08<memetral>yeah, was afraid of that. :)
13:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:08<memetral>is it a variant or something? Seems to behave mostly like Debian.
13:09<petemc>its a live cd that is based on debian
13:09<petemc>an old version of such
13:09<narhen>mgoetze: aha.. :)
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13:09<memetral>ok. So I should look to Knoppix for upgrade instructions? Or I should leave well enough alone and not upgrade? :)
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13:10<narhen>mgoetze: That may be the solution?
13:10<abrotman>or ask #knoppix on freenode ?
13:10<petemc>i guess that depends on your requirements, its definately not advised to run such old software on a public facing box
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13:10<mgoetze>narhen: well, generally when something that works in debian doesn't work in ubuntu i just kinda shrug ;)
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13:12<EmleyMoor>Why would my USB sound card be playing the login sound occasionally (on connection being one occasion)
13:12<memetral>it's the phone system, so I'm loathe to screw with it, but also need a PPTP-type solution to solve a problem behind the firewall with 2 feet of snow and 40 miles between me and the boxes.
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13:12<memetral>which will almost certainly end with two dead boxes. :)
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13:12<abrotman>two feet of snow?!
13:13<memetral>yeah, Boston.
13:13<abrotman>memetral: wait .. more coming!
13:13<memetral>heh. Sure is. Has made real trouble for the ice skating rink we're making in the back yard.
13:14<petemc>why cant you solve the problem over ssh ?
13:14<memetral>the other box is a windoze box.
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13:14<petemc>rdp ?
13:14<memetral>yeah, trying to tunnel RDP
13:14<theworldisyours_>Hi all... anyone know about archiving with "tar"? Not getting what I want from it
13:15<sergi>como puedo entrar en un canal español
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13:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:15<EmleyMoor>theworldisyours_: What do you want from it?
13:16<theworldisyours_>have bunch of pdf's. 700MB.... Tried "tar cvzf FILE.tar.gz *.pdf"... but it only cmopressed to 680MB
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13:16<mgoetze>theworldisyours_: has it occured to you that they might be compressed already?
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13:17<fxiny>pdf are already compressed files
13:17<theworldisyours_>umm.. didn't know that
13:17<memetral>if you want to make sure, tar cvf first and then gzip.
13:17<EmleyMoor>Try bzip2 and maybe p7zip
13:18<abrotman>PDFs are already compressed
13:18<theworldisyours_>will try bzip2... thank you... a noob still learning. Sometimes you have to get embarrased to learn :(... thank you all :)
13:19<EmleyMoor>Still, there is a limit to how much you can compress things
13:19<EmleyMoor>Many files are already compressed
13:19<theworldisyours_>ok.. so... OpenOffice files can be compressed.. for ex... right?
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13:20<amphi>theworldisyours_: are they not already?
13:20<theworldisyours_>just bunch of files
13:20<mgoetze>i dunno about openoffice, but gnumeric files are just gzipped xml
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13:21<theworldisyours_>thank you all... bye
13:21<EmleyMoor>How do I stop a laprticular sound card playing the login sound on connection?
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13:21<mgoetze>EmleyMoor: remove yourself from the audio group?
13:21<abrotman>seems a bit overkill
13:21<mgoetze>EmleyMoor: (what do you mean by connection?)
13:21<EmleyMoor>No, that stops far more than I want to stop
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13:21<fxiny>what sound is that ? hd ?
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13:22<EmleyMoor>When I connect the thing
13:22<mgoetze>like when you connect a usb stick to your computer?
13:22<fxiny>pcspkr alike ?
13:22<EmleyMoor>(or when it bounces, as it does occasionally)
13:22<EmleyMoor>It's a Logitech USB sound card
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13:23<cahoot>isn't that *DM dependent?
13:23<EmleyMoor>cahoot: It may be
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13:24<cahoot>ok my gnome is mute
13:24<memetral>is there a simple way to tunnel one port?
13:24<albert>есть русский чат ?
13:24<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
13:25<EmleyMoor>If I could find out the setting that was causing it I would
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13:25<EmleyMoor>It's this one particular device
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13:26<EmleyMoor>The system sounds are not enabled
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13:44<EmleyMoor>How do I trace wh my USB sound card is annoyingly playing the "login" sound ever time it is connected?
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13:44<EmleyMoor>(+ 2 y in the right places)
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13:53<chomwitt>in installing lenny i come to choose between linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64. what's the difference? isnt the first the dummy which needs the other?
13:53<bremner>chomwitt: I think you are correct
13:53<mgoetze>chomwitt: the difference is whether you want upgrades to 2.6.x (x>26) later
13:54<chomwitt>so if i want upgrades i should stick to the dummy?
13:54<mgoetze>chomwitt: right
13:55*chomwitt thanks bremner and mgoetze
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14:05<EmleyMoor>Anyone seen sun java 6u12 for amd64 yet?
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14:16<ricardo>jey everyone!
14:16<ricardo>anybody from portugal
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14:17<EmleyMoor>More likely on #debian-pt - but ask here if you need help in English
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14:17<ricardo>i need help in english
14:17<EmleyMoor>Well, in that case, just ask
14:18<ricardo>can you tell me the differance in the kernel in debian and ubuntu
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14:18<EmleyMoor>I can't - never hasdled ubuntu
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14:19<ricardo>BomDia tudos em portugal
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14:21<ricardo>hello is ther help for ubuntu in brazillian portugese
14:21<EmleyMoor>On #debian-br
14:21<ricardo>thank you!
14:21<avu>erm, that's not a channel for help with ubuntu
14:21<cahoot>there's an #ubuntu-br on freenode
14:21<avu>go to #ubuntu-br on freenode
14:22<EmleyMoor>Indeed - didn't notice metion of ubuntu
14:22<ricardo>thank you!
14:22*EmleyMoor must still be tired
14:22*paddy brings coffee
14:22*EmleyMoor rejects it...
14:23<ricardo>right now in portugal it is night time!
14:23<EmleyMoor>It will make me wide awake but unwell
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14:23<ricardo>EmleyMoor what country are you in?
14:23<metalqga>coffee just squeezes the last energy from your body, then you get more tired...
14:24<ricardo>Im American but come from English Parent!
14:24<metalqga>lol that is so uncommon :P
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14:25<ricardo>so how is the weather up in england
14:25<EmleyMoor>Dull in both senses of the word
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14:26<ricardo>is it snowing?
14:26<ricardo>I would like to try some blood pudding
14:26<metalqga>I'd try an apple pie
14:27<ricardo>My mother lived no more than 3 km from Edinburgh
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14:28<EmleyMoor>Edinburgh - capital of Scotland and one of the nicest places I know
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14:38<paddy>The configuration of VMware Server 2.0.0 build-122956 for Linux for this
14:38<paddy>running kernel completed successfully.
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15:39<gloomy>hey paddy
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15:43<paddy>vmware server 2.0 is so amazing, i love it
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15:48<bielzinho>quem ta on nessa porra
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15:53<Kevin>Hello :o
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15:57<mib_70o16e>Yo, can anyone help me?
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15:58<DrDetroit>'is this the right place to get help>?
15:58<mib_70o16e>Dunno, I'm here for help too
15:58<taziden>don't ask to ask, juste ask
15:59<DrDetroit>I am having a printer problem
15:59<DrDetroit>I am using a cannon IP1500
15:59<DrDetroit>I can print a test page in CUPS but not in any application
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16:00<mib_70o16e>Oh, I just installed Debian (from on a Virtual PC through Windows to check it out. But when I booted I got some font error and I only get to work with commands, I thought I'd get a similar environment as windows, like where I can use my mouse haha
16:02<mib_70o16e>Is this Debian just command-line?
16:02<DrDetroit>i am using the gnome gui desktop
16:02<DrDetroit>i am using debian 4.0
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16:03<mib_70o16e>I installed it through a "small CD image" where it downloads additional data from the internet. So I suppose I got the newest version?
16:03<DrDetroit>i would think so
16:04<DrDetroit>i always have done a net install
16:04<mib_70o16e>So for a GUI desktop I need to find and install Gnome
16:04<adb>mib_70o16e: run "tasksel" and check GUI
16:05<mib_70o16e>I'm sorry, I've never used a Unix based system before. How do I run something? When typing solely tasksel it sais it doesn't know the command.
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16:06<adb>well "tasksel" is running byself in installer
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16:06<mib_70o16e>I already installed... and it gave some font error
16:07<mib_70o16e>Anyway, i started it through "exec tasksel"
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16:07<adb>ha ?
16:08<adb>no "exec ..." in , read some docs man
16:08<mib_70o16e>I think I didn't check the GUI in the installation :P I recognise the list
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16:09<mib_70o16e>Yea, the docs sent me here
16:09<DrDetroit>ok well
16:09<DrDetroit>i will try back later on,
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16:09<DrDetroit>perhaps i can get help then
16:09<DrDetroit>thank you
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16:10<bremner>mib_70o16e: you get a login prompt?
16:10<mib_70o16e>Yes, I already logged in as root, root
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16:10<mib_70o16e>Then it gave a font error, and it sent me to a command-line interface
16:10<mib_70o16e>And now I have the feeling it hangs...
16:11<Nazcafan>I have an issue with ssh
16:11<bremner>mib_70o16e: no prompt like root# ?
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16:11<Nazcafan>when I ssh -X to another machine, and I launch iceweasel or icedove, I don't know why and how the local iceweasel and icedove get started
16:12<mib_70o16e>Anyway, it's restarting now
16:12<Nazcafan>instead of the remote ones
16:12<bremner>mib_70o16e: alt-F2 will get you a new virtual terminal (login prompt)
16:13<mib_70o16e>Ok, here's my error again: Failed to start X-server, GUI failed blabla, settings not correct, want to see log?
16:13<bremner>mib_70o16e: pastebin it?
16:13<mib_70o16e>in the log I see: Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'
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16:13<Aquarina>did anyone managed to boot debian off from an oldworld mac?
16:14<Aquarina>i installed it just fine, but can't boot
16:14<bremner>mib_70o16e: most likely you are missing a package. sec
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16:16<bremner>mib_70o16e: you want one of the packages xfonts-100dpi or xfonts-75dpi
16:17<bremner>oh wait, maybe xfonts-base
16:17<mib_70o16e>I can find them on the internet?
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16:17<bremner>mib_70o16e: aptitude install xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi
16:17<bremner>mib_70o16e: (as root)
16:17<adb>mib_70o16e: run "aptitude install xorg gnome-core gdm"
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16:18<bremner>that is a much bigger hammer :-)
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16:18<mib_70o16e>I think it's installing now
16:19<mib_70o16e>after a whole list of xxxxxx is beeing deleted ...
16:19<mib_70o16e>it sais
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16:20<mib_70o16e>E: Failed to fetch Can't find ''
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16:21<mib_70o16e>Suppose that server is offline >_>
16:21<mib_70o16e>Anyway to change the server it tries to download from?
16:21<bremner>mib_70o16e: yes, but could it be networking prob with your virtual machine?
16:21<DrDetroit>is anyone available to answer a CUPS printer question?
16:22<mib_70o16e>Nope, it downloaded before
16:22<mib_70o16e>It has direct access to my Ethernet controller
16:22<mib_70o16e>Could be the server is down now
16:22<bremner>mib_70o16e: nah, I can reach it from here.
16:23<adb>pool not "poop" !
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16:23<bremner>heheh, he said poop
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16:23<mib_70o16e>Oh yea me too, but not this file:
16:23<bremner>DrDetroit: what client?
16:23<DrDetroit>I have a canon IP1500 priinter
16:23<bremner>mib_70o16e: oh, try aptitude update
16:24<bremner>DrDetroit: software client
16:24<DrDetroit>I can print a test page with CUPS but not with an application
16:24<mib_70o16e>Oh adb was right, I misspelled haha
16:24<DrDetroit>gos I am using debian 4.0 with gnome
16:24<DrDetroit>fresh install today
16:24<DrDetroit>net install actually
16:25<mib_70o16e>Ok, I did aptitude update
16:25<DrDetroit>is that what you needed to know?
16:25<bremner>mib_70o16e: try install again?
16:25<mib_70o16e>It said lots of errors and ignores
16:26<bremner>mib_70o16e: ooh, that is not good. can you ftp from the prompt
16:26<bremner>DrDetroit: no, what specific application
16:26<DrDetroit>open office doesnt print
16:26<DrDetroit>nor does iceweasel web browser pages
16:27<DrDetroit>nor does any application I have tried, except for the CUPS test page
16:27<DrDetroit>it prints fine
16:27<bremner>does openoffice show CUPS in the print dialog?
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16:28<mib_70o16e>ftp: Unknown host
16:28<mib_70o16e>Hmm.. I'll try reinstalling
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16:28<DrDetroit>let me go try printing a page from there again
16:29<mib_70o16e>Anyway, bremner, many thanks :D
16:29<bremner>mib_70o16e: sure, hope you figure it out. a basic install should have networking if I recall correctly
16:30<adb>Index of ....
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16:30<bremner>one thing to try is 'ifup eth0'
16:30<adb>works ...
16:31<mib_70o16e>I know it works adb :) I'll try ifup eth0 if it still won't work after reinstall
16:31<adb>bremner: mib_70o16e is a spammer only
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16:32<bremner>adb: err, you think?
16:32<DrDetroit>bremmer : I am not sure what you mean by CUPS in the print dialog
16:32<DrDetroit>when I create and try and print a document there
16:32<DrDetroit>it shows it making the print job
16:32<DrDetroit>then its in the print q
16:32<DrDetroit>then it just says print job stopped
16:33<mib_70o16e>I'm not a spammer, and I appreciate bremners help very much
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16:34<DrDetroit>its pretty wierd
16:34<DrDetroit>i thought i was home free once it printed the test page
16:34<bremner>DrDetroit: if you bring up Printer properties, what does it say
16:34<DrDetroit>in my gnome stuff or in the web admin place?
16:35<bremner>File->Printer Settings in oowriter
16:36<DrDetroit>it says
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16:36<bremner>type: ?
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16:37<DrDetroit>name: cannon_1p1500_usb_1
16:37<DrDetroit>which is correct
16:37<DrDetroit>status is the default printer
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16:39<DrDetroit>is that what you wanted to know?
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16:39<bremner>under status, it should say type?
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16:39<bremner>oh, wait. This is an old version of openoffice I guess.
16:39<DrDetroit>i see
16:40<DrDetroit>it says CUPS:Canon_ip1500_usb_1
16:40<DrDetroit>this must be some sort of failed permissions or something like that
16:40<DrDetroit>i am no expert though
16:40<bremner>hmm, well, sorry, that was my best guess. I don't know where to go from there
16:41<DrDetroit>let me look in the cups log
16:41<DrDetroit>that may help us
16:42<bremner>DrDetroit: gotta run. Good luck.
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16:43<DrDetroit>ok thank you for your assistance
16:44<DrDetroit>anyone else feel like helping a somewhat newbie with printer problem?
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16:44<DrDetroit>ah here we go
16:45<DrDetroit>PID 6847 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocanonbj) crashed on signal 11!
16:45<DrDetroit>that was from my last print
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16:45<DrDetroit>this was after i installed the canon driver for the iP1500
16:45<DrDetroit>before i did that i was getting
16:46<Pete_B>I get no response from, is it broken for other people too?
16:46<DrDetroit> cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found!
16:46<barnes_> Pete_B works from here
16:46<DrDetroit>works from here too
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16:46<Pete_B>thanks. maybe some local issue then
16:47<DrDetroit>well pooh
16:47<Pete_B>anyone know what could cause this?: ping - ping: unknown host
16:47<DrDetroit>and I thought I could rap this up
16:49<DrDetroit>i can ping it from here
16:49<DrDetroit>if it says unknown host
16:49<DrDetroit>then perhaps your not resolving that name correctly?
16:49<DrDetroit>can you ping
16:50<barnes>Pete_B ping the nameserver you are useing
16:50<DrDetroit>thats a better idea
16:50<DrDetroit>i shouldnt be giving advice
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16:51<Pete_B>it hasn't worked through Synaptic for months. I just went to the web page in my browser to check and it was OK, then a minute later it's unresolvable
16:51<Pete_B>if I try to ping from the web interface of the nameserver it can;t ping it. I can;t find it with nslookup.
16:52<Pete_B>the name server is running pfsense
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16:52<DrDetroit>i guess i will check some other channels to see if i can get some printer help
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16:54<barnes>Pete_B try dig
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16:55<Woet>I get 'Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N)' when installing a new kernel.
16:55<Woet>Once I entered y, it just keeps going for hours until I kill it :/
16:56<Woet>nevermind, my bad
16:57<Pete_B>barnes: dig returns no IP address. If I 'nslookup -server' (using upstream Phone Co-op DNS) it also can't find it
16:57<barnes>Pete_B try change dns
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16:57<Pete_B>barnes: do you have an alternate DNS IP?
16:57<barnes># PI.SE
16:58<Pete_B>barnes: yeah, yours knows it. Thanks. Should I ring my ISP?
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16:59<DrDetroit>good work barnes
16:59<barnes>Pete_B personly im to laze to call my ISP they also got problems with nameservers. Im just useing my work's instead
16:59<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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17:00<Pete_B>barnes: thanks for that. I've put the IP in my apt source for now
17:01<newsense>anyone know how i could change the "name" exim attaches to outgoing emails atm it defaults to the senders "real name"
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17:02<DrDetroit>anyone feel like helping me with a printer problem?
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17:08<DrDetroit>ok well
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17:08<DrDetroit>i guess i should wait and see if someone comes online that can help me
17:09<isonull>ta da. what's your problem, sir?
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17:09<DrDetroit>i am having problems printing
17:09<DrDetroit>i am using a canon ip1500
17:09<DrDetroit>when i use the cups admin web interface it prints a test page
17:09<DrDetroit>when i try and print in any application or gnome printer applet it fails to print
17:10<isonull>perhaps it is a gnome problem
17:10<DrDetroit>i dont know
17:10<Woet>hmm, I told Debian to boot into a specific kernel (/boot/grub/menu.lst), but it refuses to boot into it and still boots in an old kernel :/
17:10<isonull>*a gnome configuration problem
17:10<Woet>How does Debian decide what kernel to boot in?
17:11<DrDetroit>i tried two different drivers
17:11<DrDetroit>the first was the suggested driver
17:11<DrDetroit>when i used that i got the following error
17:11<DrDetroit>cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found!
17:11<DrDetroit>when i switched to the canon specific drivers i got
17:12<isonull>Woet: how did you specify that grub should use the different kernel?
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17:12<Woet>isonull: it says so in menu.lst
17:12<isonull>did you edit the menu.lst file manually?
17:12<DrDetroit>/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocanonbj) crashed on signal 11
17:12<isonull>did you update grub?
17:12<Woet>i'll use grub-set-default
17:12<Woet>it boots into a kernel that's not even in the GRUB list
17:13<Woet>I also had to install grub (apt-get install grub), it wasn't installed by default
17:13<isonull>paste the contents of your /boot/grub/menu.lst file and give the link here
17:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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17:13<isonull>Woet: is this a default install?
17:13<Woet>isonull: hang on
17:14<DrDetroit>a default install should allow you to load grub during the install process correct?
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17:14<isonull>DrDetroit: try #gnome on ( ) . they might have better support
17:14<DrDetroit>thanks so much
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17:14<DrDetroit>i thought i was home free when it printed the test page
17:15<isonull>i'd like to know what the system was using to boot before GRUB was installed
17:15<DrDetroit>probalby lilo hehe
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17:16<isonull>i've never bothered with it. it doesn't offer a password on the boot menu
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17:26<enouf>isonull: syslinux, or LiLo likely .. look at your 1st sector with a hex viewer
17:27<isonull>not my problem but good to know none the less.
17:27<enouf>oh, i guess it's DrDetroit .. aye
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17:27<isonull>how exactly do i go about looking at my first sector?
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17:27<enouf>isonull: i use xxd /dev/hdc | less , but you can use hexdump -C or any other util
17:28<enouf>xxd is part of vim pkging, but get familiar with hexdump, and strings as well ;-)
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17:35<Deepy>My server is being attacked (most likely)
17:36<Deepy>Any suggeestions on how to identify the attack?
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17:38<mib_70o16e>Wow, halp! I installed Debian on Microsoft Virtual PC and when it boots, the screen is all messed up!
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17:40<Woet>what's the best virtualization for VPSes? You got Virtuozzo, Xen, openVZ, VMWare, Proxmox?
17:42<Solver>Woet: depends on what you need
17:42<Solver>OpenVZ will only provide you with Linux environments
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17:42<Woet>Solver: run VPSes (Linux, and Windows if possiblE)
17:43<avu>then virtuozzo and openvz are no solutions for you at all
17:43<avu>I don't know proxmox, xen and vmware can both do that
17:43<Solver>I've used VMWare in preference to others
17:43<avu>the latter is commercial
17:43<Solver>but I'm trialing VirtualBox
17:43<avu>virtualbox isn't really a solutions for servers though
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17:44<Solver>VirtualBox is dual licenced but the OSS version has some small limitations
17:44<Solver>notably missing USB support
17:44<Woet>since when is vmware commercial?
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17:44<avu>I use xen for virtualizing servers. but I am currently evaluating kvm.
17:44<avu>Woet, it always was
17:44<Solver>Woet: VMWare has always been commercial. At times they have given out free licences
17:44<Solver>free as in beer, that is
17:44<Solver>Woet: As well as VirtualBox there is also QEMU
17:45<Solver>another OSS offering
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17:45<avu>you don't want to use qemu to virtualize servers either though :)
17:45<Solver>avu: it used to be slow but it apparently a lot better now that it supports KVM (or so I hear). I'll be trialing it again soon
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17:45<avu>if you want open source, the only real contenders for servers are kvm and xen
17:46<avu>Solver, kvm != qemu
17:46<Solver>avu: yes I know
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17:46<Woet>hmm, doubting between proxmox and xen
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17:48<Solver>Seems Proxmox is really packing of a bunch of different tools
17:48<Solver>OpenVZ & KVM to actually do emulation
17:48<Solver>interesting though
17:48<Solver>it's similar to what I've done at work in terms of the s/w used
17:48<Solver>'cept the KVM bit, but that may come
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17:51<gass>hello there
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19:00<DaveF>Newbie here. My first time ever with Xubuntu on HP nc8430 notebook. How can I tell if my SD card reader is working? I have a brand new 4GB SDHC card on hand. Thank you!
19:01<Torsten_W>put the card in, look with dmesg, if the card is recognized
19:01<newsense_>join #ubuntu ?
19:02<Torsten_W>and btw, here is #debian, not (x,k or whatever)ubuntu
19:02<DaveF>OK, card is in, how do I look at dmesg, and sorry about being in the wrong channel
19:03<DaveF>Sure, I can go to #ubuntu, if that is what I should do.
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19:03<newsense_>dmesg |grep SD should tell ya if the reader is recognized
19:03<newsense_>fdisk -l to see if it reads card
19:04<newsense_>and please join #ubuntu if youre not running debian
19:04<DaveF>newsense, I know Windows XP, this is my first time ever on Linux
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19:04<newsense_>do what i said and fdisk -l
19:04<Xrm>Hi, i've got a question about two packages i've been trying to install, wondering if anyone else is having the same issue
19:04<newsense_>should be /dev/sd*
19:04<DaveF>Where do I enter the fdisk command?
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19:05<newsense_>or hit dntrl+alt+f1 and login to tty1
19:06<newsense_>err ctrl excuse me
19:06<Xrm>i've been trying to install the package "flashplugin-nonfree" but it kept erroring, and when i downloaded the deb it says i have a dependency error with libdirectfb-1.0-0
19:07<newsense_>dont download the deb use aptitude
19:07<Xrm>i tried that
19:07<enouf>Xrm: uname -r says?
19:07<Xrm>uname -r?
19:07<enouf>Xrm: "apt-get install -f"
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19:08<Xrm>well, when i try to install the flashplugin-nonfree it says that the package is missing, or has been obsloleted
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19:09<Xrm>the deb reqires me to use libdirectfb-1.0 and apt-get has only 0.9-25
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19:10<Skratz0r>Xrm: compile the latest source of libdirectfb
19:10<Skratz0r>Or at least; compile version 1.0 or higher
19:10<Xrm>also, the uname -r says "2.6.18-6-686"
19:11<enouf>!adobe flash
19:11<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
19:11<enouf>!tell Xrm -about
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19:14<ior>I have some questions. I've installed a base-system (Etch) on my server computer. Now I want to be able to play sounds trough SSH on the server, but I don't have it installed. I installed ALSA but I only get errors..
19:18<Xrm>thanks enouf, i'm updating the apt-get list right now. and the new version of libdirectfb is on there?
19:19<enouf>Xrm: if you follow the 'debian way' it should just work - see the wiki mentioned for more
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19:28<cesurasean>How do I setup apache to accept requests from https?
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19:31<Ookazoo_>does anyone here have experience using remastersys?
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19:42<saif>anyone know the server/channel for ubuntu/kubuntu/ just installed feisty and tryig to get KDE
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19:43<hollywoodb>saif: iirc the official channels are #ubuntu and #kubuntu on Freenode
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19:43<saif>thanks man
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19:51<zonaro>hi all
19:51<gnufan>cesurasean: there is an article on this on somewhere
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19:52<gnufan>cesurasean: and the answer is yet I know thanks ;)
19:52<zonaro>it's about CUPS. when I'm using `lpstat -p -l`, it says: `On fault: no alert` and `After fault: continue`. somebody knows, what is it?
19:53<zonaro>Is it something about printer's errors?
19:54<cesurasean>I don't find that page useful
19:54<cesurasean>I already have a certificate from geotrust
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19:56<cesurasean>can someone tell me how to get https working with a geotrust certificate
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19:57<cesurasean>I can't seem to get it to work
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20:05<adama>I R noob... trying to compile the C++ code from here: - I get this:
20:05<adama>I assume I'm missing something in the gcc command
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20:09<cesurasean>can someone help me setup my webserver with ssl using openssl and apache2?
20:10<cesurasean>or send me to a good article
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20:13<zonaro>somebody knows anything about `On fault: no alert` in CUPS and how to set it up?
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20:16<zonaro>OH SHI--!!! 0_o I've grep'ed CUPS source codes...
20:16<gnufan>cesurasean: which article - this one ?
20:17<zonaro>this lines are just printed with printf!
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20:17<zonaro>I hate Apple
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20:18<zonaro>lpstat prints this text without any sort of condition
20:18<gnufan>cesurasean: I think the preferred syntax might change in Etch (apache 2.2)... but otherwise it looks good to me.
20:18<zonaro>so, there is no more questions =)
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20:19<zonaro>sorry for concern
20:19<cesurasean>earth:~# apache2-ssl-certificate
20:19<cesurasean>I'm not able to give the command apache2-ssl-certificate
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20:21<gnufan>cesurasean: I thought you already had an SSL certificate?
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20:22<cesurasean>yes, I do.
20:22<cesurasean>but, I can't get it to work.
20:22<gnufan>cesurasean: more specifically?
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20:23<adama>trying to compile the C++ code from here: - I get this: ...?
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20:23<cesurasean>I followed this:
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20:23<cesurasean>installed using apache openssl
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20:23<cesurasean>and the webserver doesn't work when reloaded
20:23<cesurasean>it gives an error
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20:24<Knorrie>what error?
20:24<cesurasean>I think I need mod_ssl
20:24<Knorrie>you sure do
20:24<cesurasean>how do I install mod_ssl through apt-get?
20:24<Knorrie>what apache are you running?
20:24<Knorrie>a2enmod ssl
20:24<client>when i install a pakage is there an easy way to konw where to find it? e.g. i installed "poker-web" and i don't see it under games... is there a place i can usually look?
20:24<Knorrie>client: dpkg -L poker-web
20:24<cesurasean>this module is already loaded
20:25<Knorrie>client: lists all the files of it
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20:25<darkhack>hey all
20:25<gnufan>cesurasean: what error? Does it report errors on restarting apache
20:25<cesurasean>yeah, it gives an error when I restart apache
20:25<Knorrie>what error?
20:25<darkhack>anyone know why .torrent ishn't showing up in firefox edit, preferences, application?
20:26<Knorrie>client: oh, dunno about gui menu things
20:26<Knorrie>client: probably is does not register itself with the menu system?
20:27<client>knorrie, yeah... don't see it in the menu system
20:27<darkhack>so anyone know?
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20:27<Knorrie>darkhack: if i try to open a .torrent ff/iw asks me to open it with deluge
20:27<cesurasean>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)... waiting Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/
20:27<cesurasean>Invalid command '-----BEGIN', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
20:28<Knorrie>client: try the dpkg -L command i mentioned in a terminal, and look if there are files in, like, /usr/bin/games
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20:28<Knorrie>cesurasean: ok, well, a .csr is a certificate request
20:28<gnufan>cesurasean: sounds like you've stuck the certificate somewhere where it is being included in the server config
20:28<darkhack>Knorrie, yeah and for me it transmission, but I want to change it to vuze as default
20:29<client>knorrie, cool, that was a good command i'll have to remember it
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20:30<Knorrie>darkhack: ah, when i look into the prefs>applications, there's Bittorrent seed file blah, where I can choose the application
20:30<cesurasean>ok, now apache starts fine
20:30<gnufan>cesurasean: i.e. the content of the certificate -- I stick it all in a directory. /etc/apache2/ssl certificates and server keys. Where is the certificate
20:30<cesurasean>but im not able to surf to https
20:30<cesurasean>inside apache2
20:30<Knorrie>cesurasean: what change did you apply?
20:30<cesurasean>I moved them out of the conf.d directory
20:31<cesurasean>now apache is working fine
20:31<Knorrie>who's them
20:31<cesurasean>the key, and crt file
20:31<cesurasean>do I have to do the Engine On thing also?
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20:31<cesurasean>to get https working?
20:31<gnufan>cesurasean: is it listening on port 443 (netstat -anp), did you edit ports.conf ?
20:31<Knorrie>ssl key/crt files should not reside into the conf.d location
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20:31<cesurasean>yes I edited ports.conf
20:31<darkhack>Knorrie, well for me I can't seem to find it in preference, not showing torrent to be open with or something like that. Anyway way to fix this or something I need to do to get it working?
20:32<Knorrie>everything in conf.d is parsed as apache configuration
20:32<darkhack>Knorrie, thanks
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20:32<newsense_>Knorrie, checkout ~//.mozilla/firefox/vjca6lh1.default/mimeTypes.rdf
20:32<Knorrie>darkhack: strange, i dont know, but i didnt do anything special in the past to get this :D
20:33<Knorrie>newsense_: ?
20:33<darkhack>Knorrie, hmmm
20:33<cesurasean>how do I get https to work now?
20:33<gnufan>cesurasean: does the virtual host look like the example in the article -- one section for port 80 one for 443?
20:34<cesurasean>do I need to use SSLEngine on?
20:34<Knorrie>in the 443 vhost
20:34<darkhack>Knorrie, guess I'll do some searching to the problem
20:34<cesurasean>no, maybe it's the virtual host
20:34<darkhack>Knorrie, thx though again
20:34<Knorrie>darkhack: yw
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20:35<adama>trying to compile the C++ code from here: - I get this: ...?
20:36<Knorrie>darkhack: as newsense_ said, yes, NC:fileExtensions="torrent"/NC:description="BitTorrent seed file" is listed in the mimeTypes.rdf of my firefox, but i dont know when it got in there
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20:37<cesurasean>which D-A article?
20:37<Knorrie>adama: this is a Debian support channel
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20:38<cesurasean>can someone please help me get this ssl server working?
20:39<cesurasean>ive already read that article
20:39<cesurasean>I can't run apache2-ssl-certificate
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20:39<cesurasean>I get command not found
20:39<Knorrie>adama: not to be rude, but i think special cases like this are better to be answered by whoever is developing/maintaining the software
20:39<gnufan>cesurasean: you don't have to that generates a certificate... you were checking if the vhost section looks like yours weren't you
20:40<Knorrie>cesurasean: apache2-ssl-certificate is not a command that's in any debian package
20:40<Knorrie>cesurasean: dunno why someone used it on that page
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20:41<Knorrie>cesurasean: better read something like this\
20:41<Knorrie>argh without ]
20:41<Knorrie>\ at the end
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20:42<gnufan>Knorrie: it use to be in apache2-common
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20:43<gnufan>Knorrie: folks probably ought to use the openssl package to do that, since all it did was run the stuff in Openssl I think...
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20:44<cesurasean>Init: Unable to read server certificate from file /etc/apache2/
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20:44<cesurasean>why am I getting this error?
20:45<Knorrie>cesurasean: yes, because a .csr is a certificate signing request, and *not* a certificate
20:45<cesurasean>what does the certificate look like? .key?
20:45<Knorrie>no, .crt
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20:46<Knorrie>ssl and certificate stuff is not that easy when you start with it
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20:47<gnufan>cesurasean: on the upside the Apache stuff is easy. The server has a "key" the vhost has a certificate (once it is signed), and you are away as long as it listens on port 443, and knows which certificate to go with which server (and hence IP address).
20:47<Knorrie>not really helpful that howstuffworks page :D
20:48<cesurasean>how come I'm doing ssl but I don't see the lock on my screen?
20:48<cesurasean>I was finally able to connect using https
20:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 354] by debhelper
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20:49<Knorrie>cesurasean: the easy_rsa scripts in the openvpn package did help me a lot when setting up self-signed ssl stuff to test
20:49<gnufan>cesurasean: If no lock it probably is just listening on port 443 but not using SSL. Check the error log and make sure you enabled SSL engine
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20:50<cesurasean>yeah, I enabled ssl engine
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20:51<gnufan>cesurasean: you have a " SSLCertificateKeyFile " somewhere in the config?
20:52<cesurasean>[Sun Dec 21 19:51:26 2008] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `' does NOT match server name!?
20:52<cesurasean>what does that mean?
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20:52<Xrm>hmm, How do i enable ssh from remote computers into my computer? i was looking aorund but i cant find a setting
20:52<Knorrie>that means `' does NOT match server name
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20:53<gnufan>cesurasean: that is fine - means the proper name of the server is not "www.simple.." as long as the IP address for that maps to the IP address it is listening on port 443 the error is just informational.
20:54<Knorrie>server name -> ServerName in apache config
20:54<gnufan>cesurasean: I get same warning everytime our server boots, as it is called something imaginative like "" and provides SSL on various IP addresses.
20:54<Xrm>:o i did a google search so nvm about my question
20:54<Knorrie>Xrm: can you ssh from the computer into itseld?
20:54<cesurasean>how come I don't see a lock at the bottom of my screen when I do ssl?
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20:55<Xrm>hmm, leme give the computer an actual dns and try Knorrie
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20:55<Knorrie>Xrm: i mean, just ssh user@
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20:55<Knorrie>Xrm: to make sure the ssh service runs
20:56<gnufan>cesurasean: usually means SSL isn't working. Is this as I see a lock.
20:56<Xrm>connection refused
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20:56<Knorrie>Xrm: ok, does `ps faxu | grep ssh` show output?
20:56<Knorrie>something with /usr/sbin/sshd
20:57<cesurasean>you see a lock when you surf to
20:57<Xrm>t shows a little bit of stuff
20:57<Knorrie>Xrm: otherwise i guess the ssh daemon is not running, and so, not accepting connections
20:57<Xrm>i tried "apt-get install ssh" following a tutorial onlnie, but its asking me for a cd which i dont have
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20:57<gnufan>cesurasean: yes
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20:58<Knorrie>Xrm: ah ok, but you have internet connectivity dont you, so you can set up the system to pull the packages from the net instead of a cd you dont have
20:59<Xrm>This isnt the first time i've gotten that, so i believe that i do need to do that lol
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21:00<Knorrie>fix your sources.list then
21:00<gnufan>cesurasean: says a recently acquired equifax certificate.... caching issue? F5?
21:01<Knorrie>cesurasean: connects fine, no warnings, uses a verified certificate
21:01<cesurasean>IE and Firefox aren't showing it as a valid certificate, and IE doesn't even show a lock
21:01<cesurasean>Firefox finds the lock but doesn't say it's verified
21:01<cesurasean>im using windows
21:02<Knorrie>hm it's an equifax crt, that's commonly recognized
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21:03<gnufan>cesurasean: you resolve the name to or some evil internals gubbins?
21:03<cesurasean>yes, to an internal IP
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21:05*Knorrie wonders why someone would setup a hosting company on a
21:05<cesurasean>any clue why IE isn't showing a lock?
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21:06<gnufan>cesurasean: you use antivirus that messes with SSL?
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21:06<cesurasean>let me check it from another computer
21:06<Xrm>thanks Knorrie
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21:07<Xrm>i commented the sources.list ad it works fine now
21:07<Knorrie>Xrm: great
21:07<Knorrie>Xrm: have fun
21:07<Xrm>Thanks :D
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21:13<Xrm>ahh, i didnt think to run this under a screen, so now that i can ssh into this pc, i'm going ot work from my laptop
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21:13<Xrm>i shall return!
21:13<Xrm>bai now
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21:23<cesurasean> load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
21:23<cesurasean>why is my server even trying to open this?
21:23<cesurasean>PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
21:24<Knorrie>$ apt-cache search ffm | grep php
21:24<Knorrie>php5-ffmpeg - ffmpeg support for php5
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21:24<cesurasean>I found the error
21:24<Knorrie>prolly you installed it?
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21:46<KiDFlaSh> how can i choose a standard, desktop enviroment?
21:46<KiDFlaSh>in shell
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21:46<Knorrie>depends on what 'standard desktop enviroment' you have installed
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21:46<KiDFlaSh>i have installed kdm and gdm
21:47<Knorrie>kdm and gdm are just frontends that start your specific dekstop environment
21:48<KiDFlaSh>but how can i choose the standard
21:48<Knorrie>when you are 'welcomed' by the login screen of either gdm or kdm, can you choose whether you want to use kde or gnome?
21:49<KiDFlaSh>but i want standard without choose^^
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21:50<Knorrie>gdm has an option to make it the 'standard' for your user account, dunno if kdm does have
21:50<KiDFlaSh>where is it
21:50<KiDFlaSh>in gdm?
21:51<RIVE>KiDFlaSh, type tasksel as root, then select Desktop environment.
21:51<Knorrie>well if you choose a non-default option it shou;ld ask you whether you want this for one time, or everytime
21:52*Knorrie uses gdm, but only to start wmii :\
21:52<KiDFlaSh>i want to start gdm as standard
21:52<KiDFlaSh>how i do this
21:53<Knorrie>remove any other conflicting wm-loader?
21:54<KiDFlaSh>so i removed kde4-minimal
21:54<KiDFlaSh>its no problem anymore or?
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21:54<Knorrie>-$ apt-cache show kde4-minimal
21:54<Knorrie>W: Unable to locate package kde4-minimal
21:55<Knorrie>probably i'm some debian version too fast ahead :)
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21:56<Knorrie>kingsley: what does the output of `ls -l /etc/init.d/ | grep dm` show?
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22:33<adama>trying to compile the C++ code from here: - I get this: ...?
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22:34<Khwerz>hmm so are computer freezes distro related?
22:35<gravity>They can be
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22:35<gravity>That's a very inexact sort of question though
22:35<Khwerz>its very annoying iv gotten freezes for about 2 weeks now... mayb since i changed to lenny
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22:36<gravity>Total freezes? Can you still ssh in?
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22:37<Khwerz>well i dont really know how to explain it... it just sort of happens so i cant point it out as "it happens when i open this app" it just sort of happens.... computer freezes completely, press numlock and i get nothing, sound freezes, monitor too so i think everything does
22:37<shze>adama: do you have the -dev packages installed?
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22:37<gravity>Khwerz: Ok, so X freezes. Have you tried to ssh in? Then we'd know if it was X or a kernel issue
22:37<adama>shze: I think so
22:38<adama>shze: I had to install libxapian-dev
22:38<Khwerz>altho this is quite strange, i was just updatedb, and the memory went nuts it was on 38x/472 and then it froze, tried using updatedb again and it froze
22:39<gravity>Khwerz: Interesting. Have you tried using an older kernel image?
22:39<Khwerz>i just tried
22:39<Khwerz>it froze when hal loaded
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22:40<gravity>Well it does sound like a kernel problem. Or a hardware problem.
22:40<Khwerz>or it was something else
22:40<Khwerz>i was thinking it was the Power supply because it says alarm on the voltage but im not an electrician to understand half of it :)
22:40<Khwerz>-5V: -13.64 V (min = -13.64 V, max = +4.03 V) ALARM
22:41<gravity>I don't know anything about that personally :-\
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22:42<Khwerz>i tried loading the 2.26.18 kernel instead of the 2.6.26
22:42<adama>you mean 2.6.18
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22:42<dvs>or 2.6.24
22:42<Khwerz>lemme recheck
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22:43<Khwerz>damn typo's
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22:44<Khwerz>only ones i have
22:44<Khwerz>so its not a kernel issua i think
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23:08<Khwerz>i suppose... im doomed to stay like this
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23:12<snogglethorpe>bereft of apostrophes and capital letters?
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