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00:04<modczar>hey guys how can I see how big a folder is?
00:05<snogglethorpe>modczar: including all subdirectories? try "du -s"
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00:07<modczar>I copied a folder while ssh'd into amachine the connection was dropped after issueing the command. besides looking at the size of both the folders is there a way to verfiy the data?
00:08<newsense>run md5sum filename
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00:09<newsense>modczar, or even better md5sum file1 file2
00:10<modczar>would if i'm using directories?
00:10<newsense>full paths
00:10<modczar>so i'd have to do file by file?
00:10<newsense>md5sum /etc/blah /home/blah/blah
00:10<modczar>i don't know what you mean by full paths
00:10<newsense>can do multiple files at once
00:11<newsense>full path like /home/user/file
00:11<newsense>instead of just file
00:11<modczar>excellent thank you for you're help
00:11<newsense>no problem anytime
00:12<newsense>modczar, look into the screen program, ive never used it myself but ive heard others talk of it
00:13<newsense>might help in the future
00:14<snogglethorpe>newsense: one thing you could is use "rsync -n -v" or something
00:14<snogglethorpe>newsense: which shows you what rsync _would_ copy, but doesn't actually do anything
00:15<snogglethorpe>since rsync is very efficient when no copying is necessary, it should be quite fast
00:15<newsense>yeah or rsync im currently researching that app for myself but dont know enough about to recommend it, thanks
00:15<snogglethorpe>newsense: as long as you use -n, it's pretty safe to experiment i think
00:16<newsense>once i save up ill be able to get that backup server :)
00:16<adama>modczar: you can also just use the diff command: diff /source/path /dest/path
00:16<newsense>plenty of time to learn the ins and out is one way to look at it i guess
00:16<adama>will tell you what files did not get copied
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00:17<snogglethorpe>(diff -q is useful in that case)
00:17<newsense>adama, sorry should have suggested that i misread thought he said file
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00:17<adama>yes good point, -q for sure
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00:18<s3a>how do i set my mouse's sensitivity back to default? (is it possible to do so with a simple terminal command?)
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00:22<gsimmons>s3a: xset m
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00:25<s3a>gsimmons, thank you soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much :D
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00:29<kop>I've got a ibm thinkpad 2378-rgu I want to install debian on. The installer can't detect the nic. I don't see anything in lspci, except for a wireless (which I'm not particularly interested in using.) I googled and found nothing helpful. Where do I go from here?
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00:30<kop>How do I find what it's got so I can at least try to figure out what kernel I need?
00:31<snogglethorpe>kop: does it actually have an ethernet port?
00:32<kop>snogglethorpe : Yup. I've seen it be used in MS Windows.
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00:33<kop>Ah, I see a teeny T42. I'll use that to google.
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00:34<snogglethorpe>google says: "Network LAN Intel PRO/1000 MT (uses e1000 driver) "
00:34<adama>You need etch+1/2 for e1000
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00:36<snogglethorpe>everybody should use lenny anyway
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00:36<kop>Goodie. Thanks guys. I thought etchnhalf was now in etch? (It must not be in the installer anyhow.)
00:36<kop>snogglethorpe : Testing is not fully supported by the security team.
00:37<kop>Maybe I use the lenny installer and tell it to install etch?
00:37*kop goes to rtfm
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00:40<craigevil>why not just install lenny?
00:40<craigevil>it will be released as stable soon
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00:42<adb>kop: a good base
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00:50<Rizha>hellow.. where i can find software to drawing flowchart??
00:50<Rizha>for debian
00:50<Rizha>please help..-_-
00:51<adama>Rizha: try dia
00:51<Rizha>in apt??
00:51<adama>apt-get install dia
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00:52<adama>it's like visio, I guess. Never tried visio but dia is good stuff
00:52<craigevil>dia or kivio if you use kde
00:52<Rizha>thanks ^^
00:52<Gekz>dia is good
00:53<Gekz>I guess
00:53<Gekz>never tried kivio
00:53<Gekz>a shame it uses kdelibs
00:53<Gekz>I wont use it
00:53<Gekz>Rizha: dia is very simple and good for just flowcharts
00:53<Gekz>not for gantt charts and such
00:53<Gekz>like Visio does
00:53<craigevil>actually kivio doesnt use much
00:53<craigevil>Depends: koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.3), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), python2.5 (>= 2.5), kivio-data (>> 1:1.6.3), kivio-data (<< 1:1.6.4), koffice-libs (<< 1:1.6.4)
00:54<craigevil>probably something in there would pull in kdelibs though
00:55<Gekz>I dont see any GUI library
00:55<Gekz>meaning it will pull in qt and kdelibs on its own
00:55<craigevil>yep koffice-libs has a ton of depends
00:56<frolic>Hi people. Anyone here knows about intel wireless 4965 and kernel 2.6.26 issues?
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00:56<frolic>I am searching at google, but I didn't get any useful information.
00:57<Gekz>what kind of issues?
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00:58<blarson>!tell frolic about iwl4965
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01:04<frolic>blarson, thank you for the link, but this is a new instalation of Debian Lenny (amd64) so, I never used the ipw4965. I instaled the firmware-iwlpackage, but I got a big error:
01:04<frolic> 334.813649] iwl4965: uCode INST section is invalid at offset 0x13c, is 0x800003ec, s/b 0xa211b818
01:05<frolic>kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64
01:05<frolic>and lsmod:
01:05<frolic>10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
01:08<frolic>at google, I found related issues, regarding kernel 2.6.26
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01:10<frolic>I thought that was an acpi issue, so I removed, but the error still happening.
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01:13<frolic>blarson, Gekz any suggestion?
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01:13<Gekz>I want reading
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01:13<Gekz>um, I dont know
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01:50<geoffr>morning all, has anyone here used pure-ftpd?
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01:55<dpkg>Test Failed.
01:57<simonrvn>!anyone use
01:57<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
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02:01<superjet_busy>simonrvn: tsocks blootbot works, /etc/init.d/blootbot failed, it seems i'd better drop it to using infobot under $HOME
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02:04<simonrvn>yeh, better that way
02:04<geoffr>thanks, reminded why irc is a waste of time, too many sacastic kids
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02:04<simonrvn>you can just insert whatever you need in the script.
02:04<simonrvn>no sense of humour. *sigh*
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02:07<Guest687>like i use it to log the console output to a file, for instance.
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02:09<simonrvn>whoah... delay...
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02:45<aetheria>does anyone know of a tool that does the inverse of what rsync -r --delete does? that is, it should delete all files on the destination which exist on the target.
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02:47<simonrvn>flip the target and dest. ?
02:47<aetheria>actually that is not correct. i want it to *only* delete files on the destination which also exist on the source, but not to copy any files over
02:47<aetheria>sorry, i wrote that after your comment
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02:48<aetheria>i have too many backup directories with redundant data
02:49<aetheria>i also prefer to keep them separate rather then copy them all into one big dir
02:49<aetheria>which would elminate the redundant file problem
02:50<simonrvn>dunno rsync enough to help beyond that, and saying 'man rsync' heh
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02:50<aetheria>unfortunately, despite its having many options, none appear to offer this functionality
02:50<Supaplex>aetheria: are you trying to reinvent --link-dest ? you can use --link-dest multiple times for more savings.
02:51<aetheria>Supaplex: no, i want a command to be able to delete all files in one location that exist in another one. rsync seemed like the tool to use because of its advanced file comparison algorithm
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02:52<aetheria>i guess i could hack together a shell script that ran md5 against each file it compared, if they had similar dates and sizes
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02:53<aetheria>actually, probably only if they had the same name i would run it
02:53<Supaplex>or you could use dry run, or write something that uses the rsync library
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02:55<kop>I'm installing etch, or trying to, on a ibm thinkpad T42. It does not seem to detect the Ethernet card, although I can seem to get it to detect the wireless. lspci does not show anything when booting with the etchnhalf installer. What now?
02:55<kop>The nic is what I need, not the wifi.
02:56<aetheria>is it turned off in the bios?
02:56<Supaplex>kop: maybe you need the network driver detected. are you plugged into the outlet? docking station? any energy saving features present?
02:57<kop>aetheria : No. I looked and turned off the wifi just in case. However, there is some sort of "load something or another" in the bios that looks like it will allow pxeboot. (The vocabularly is wierd.) Anyhow, that is on.
02:57<aetheria>kop: i would recommend checking the hw on thinkwiki and seeing if there are any comments
02:57<snogglethorpe>kop: why don't you at least try the lenny installer, just to see if it finds anything...
02:58<Supaplex>I've seen some pretty agressive energy related features in some laptop network chipsets.
02:58<kop>Supaplex : It fails at the detect driver stage. I'm plugged in. No docking. I dunno about energy savings.
02:58<aetheria> that is
02:58<Supaplex>kop: okay. that's good to know.
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02:58<kop>snogglethorpe : I need etch. I could poke around, but I need tech.
02:58<dpkg>i heard thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman.,, or some may also restrict Mini PCI card usage, see, or <mwavem>. ##ibmthinkpad @
02:58<snogglethorpe>kop: then poke around
02:59<snogglethorpe>kop: it will at least tell you the problem is with the kernel/drivers in etch if it works
02:59<Supaplex>kop: and /msg dpkg laptop (for more generic info)
02:59<aetheria>have you guys seen those new quad-core, 17" monsters they make now?
02:59<Supaplex>if it's not in lspci, I question what the bios settings are
02:59<kop>Maybe I should be sure the bios is up to date.
02:59<Supaplex>kop: bios/firmware etc
03:00<snogglethorpe>aetheria: a 17" cpu?!
03:00<aetheria>snogglethorpe: dispaly
03:00<Supaplex>kop: just check the settings. I'd avoid upgrading any of that unless your oem, or some other factor warrants it later.
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03:00<snogglethorpe>aetheria: what's a 4-core display?
03:01<aetheria>there is definitely an option on thinkpads to enable/disable the onboard ethernet. this is separate from pxe boot option.
03:02<aetheria>when in doubt, reset to default should be safe
03:02<snogglethorpe>hmm why would they have an option to do that? security?
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03:02<rutski>EDITOR="emacs -nw" sudoedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
03:02<rutski>should work, right?
03:02<rutski>but it doesn't; as soon as I hit the first key in emacs, no matter what it is, it acts as if I just hit CTRL+Z to background the process
03:02<rutski>and typing "fg" to get it back gives me a blank screen that I can't even C-x-c out of
03:02<rutski>I'm so confused
03:03<Supaplex>rutski: what's TERM set to?
03:03<Supaplex>rutski: and what's tty say?
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03:15<rutski>Supaplex: I've tried it both in a linux terminal and an xterm, so that's respectively "linux"/"/dev/tty2" and "xterm"/"/dev/pts/0"
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03:16<Supaplex>rutski: humm. the failure on tty2 is very odd indeed. is there something else about the system that's unstable or different? when did it work last?
03:17<rutski>Supaplex: not sure it ever worked on this install
03:17<rutski>last night I installed debian on this machine fresh, sudoedit worked
03:17<rutski>then I realized I needed etch-n-a-half (or however you spell it)
03:17<Supaplex>can you login as root and edit?
03:17<rutski>reinstalled, then sudoedit stopped working
03:18<rutski>heh, yea; I can edit as root
03:18<rutski>hey, maybe it's to do with etch-n-a-half
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03:19<Supaplex>try sudo su - from a normal user, then edit
03:19<Supaplex>maybe it's profile related... or sudoedit.
03:20<rutski>already did the su - thing; yep
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03:31<Glanzmann>Will Lenny be released this year?
03:32<Supaplex>if it's ready
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03:32<Supaplex>Glanzmann: /topic :)
03:32<Supaplex>humm there was a topic entry for lenny.
03:33<Supaplex>!tell Glanzmann -about when will lenny release
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03:38<Glanzmann>What is ,,Firmware GR''
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03:41<Supaplex>no idea
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03:43<blarson>Glanzmann: The vote by Debian Developers on how firmware should be handled.
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04:03<bcochofel>Hi, I'm having trouble installing libesd-alsa0 with dpkg because of the conflict with libesd
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04:03<bcochofel>How can I force the subs using dpkg?
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04:05<weasel>you don't want to force anything.
04:05<weasel>if they conflict then uninstall libesd
04:05<weasel>if you used apt-get or aptitude they would do that for you
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04:08<bcochofel>weasel: I can't uninstall because other dpes
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04:08<bcochofel>can't use apt-get because I have no connection to the internet
04:08<bcochofel>can I use aptitude? how?
04:08<Glanzmann>blarson: With care.
04:09<Glanzmann>thanks, l8er.
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04:09<weasel>bcochofel: just put the .debs into /var/cache/apt/archives
04:09<weasel>(or use dpkg --force-deps --remove, and then dpkg -i. but I'd use apt-get)
04:10<bcochofel>weasel: can I put the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives and then apt-get install libesd-alsa0 ?
04:10<weasel>assuming your lists are up-to-date, which they probably are?
04:11*paddy pokes weasel in the belly button
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04:12<weasel>paddy: don't. I realize you have behaved quite well recently, and I'm glad that it all works out for you. but don't hilight me.
04:13<bcochofel>weasel: what do you mean by lists up-to-date?
04:13<weasel>bcochofel: if your system as if you had run apt-get update recently
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04:13<paddy>weasel: thank you
04:14<bcochofel>weasel: ok, got it
04:14<craigevil>bcochofel: you might want to take a look at
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04:16<ashok>hi to all,may i know why JBOSS is stored in repository under contrib section?
04:17<weasel>probably becase it needs sun-java.
04:17<weasel>which is in non-free
04:17<weasel>not that I know, but that'd be my guess
04:18<bcochofel>weasel: I've put the .deb under /var/.../archives and it was installed but libesd has the status rc listing with dpkg -l
04:18<weasel>LuftWoffle: so?
04:18<bcochofel>weasel: and I can't uninstall
04:19<weasel>the "r" in "rc" means removed
04:19<weasel>doesn't it?
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04:19<bcochofel>weasel: ok, then it's all good right?
04:19<weasel>I'd think so
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04:21<ashok>weasel, but in depedancy it is mentioned java-gcj-compat | java1-runtime | java2-runtime
04:22<ashok>javagcj-compat is free
04:22<weasel> jbossas4 (4.2.3.GA-1) unstable; urgency=low
04:22<weasel> * Move package to main.
04:23<ashok>weasel:so it needs to be moved
04:23<weasel>it already has.
04:23<weasel>in unstable.
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04:35<Naicamine>i have a acer 5315 that wont display over 800x600, i cant find the right drivers for the video card
04:37<Naicamine>anyone ever had one of these?
04:37<Gekz>Naicamine: what's the videocard/
04:37<Naicamine>idk for sure
04:37<Naicamine>how can i check?
04:38<Gekz>look for the one about VGA
04:38<Gekz>or Graphics
04:39<Naicamine>it says 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
04:39<Naicamine>and theres one :00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
04:40<Gekz>pastebin the result of: lspci -s 00:02 -vv
04:40<Gekz>there is meant to be two v's btw
04:41<Naicamine>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
04:41<Naicamine> Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Unknown device 0136
04:41<Naicamine> Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
04:41<Naicamine> Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
04:41<Naicamine> Latency: 0
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04:42<Naicamine>how do i paste it?
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05:01<Dionis>what is the difference beetwen the swap and swap-2 file systems?
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05:04<Dionis>what is the difference beetwen the swap and swap-2 file systems?
05:04<petemc>ive never heard of swap2
05:04<Gekz>swap-2 doesnt exist.
05:06<Dionis>it's strange, but i saw it in the paragon hard disk manager
05:06<Gekz>it was wrong.
05:06<Dionis>swap and swap-2...
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05:07<Dionis>may be swap-2 it is the second partition of swap?
05:07<Gekz>"Partition Manager from Paragon provides easy and safe partitioning ... Linux partitions: Linux Ext2, Linux Ext2, ReiserFS and Linux Swap2"
05:07<Gekz>lol wtf internet
05:07<Gekz>it says ext2 twice
05:07<Gekz>would you believe it?
05:07<Dionis>it must be ext3
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05:09<Gekz>it probably has to do with the version of the mkswap utility
05:09<Gekz>which is version 2
05:12<Dionis>i see
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05:35<sasha999>hi , when i click gnome -> shutdown i have a black screen wirh blinkking cursor but if i type halt inder a root terminal everything works well . Does anybody knows that problem ?
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05:39<Supaplex>that's too bad
05:39<paddy>yeah, the best case is ... when people help themselves while you think about a solution
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05:49<darkwizzard>hello. I'm trying to reinstall this package
05:49<darkwizzard>it broke my system
05:50<darkwizzard>and it hangs every time I try to remove it
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06:03<TwistOfFate>what's a good firewall for debian?
06:05<paddy>TwistOfFate: the best firewall is ... when you guy a cheap router without a wireless antenna
06:05<paddy>you guy/you buy
06:05<dondelelcaro>TwistOfFate: ferm is pretty reasonable
06:05<paddy>one that auto updates your firmware when needed
06:05<paddy>one thats easy to configure
06:06<TwistOfFate>it's running on a system that's open to the net.
06:06<TwistOfFate>i don't want a dedicated box like ipcop
06:07<paddy>TwistOfFate: knit your own firewall with iptables, there is a guy tool to assist you, hang on
06:07<Supaplex>1. off switch. 2. iptables.
06:07<paddy>'aptitude search firewall'
06:07<paddy>you will get 3 alternatives
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06:08<paddy>(on Debian Lenny that is)
06:08<paddy>kmyfirewall might be the most easiest one that should be intuitive to use
06:08<TwistOfFate>but i have no gui
06:09<paddy>use it on a guy and import the iptables rule on your server
06:09<paddy>grrr... on a guy/on a gui
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06:09<paddy>just 'install something that tells iptables what desires you have in your brain' wont exist
06:10<paddy>so a bit of a hand job you have to take
06:10<smash>Deepy! :-)
06:10<paddy>or when you feel firm enough with a text based editor:
06:11<petemc>TwistOfFate: what will the firewall be blocking access to?
06:11<paddy>smash: careful... homeboi
06:11<smash>TwistOfFate besides bear in mind that iptables is _NOT_ a firewall
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06:11<paddy>smash: i walk over your face faster than you cry for opers
06:11<smash>a firewall usually includes way more components than a simple packet filter that is
06:12<TwistOfFate>basically i just to block everything to the block
06:12<TwistOfFate>except certain things.
06:12<paddy>smash: best would be you limit your activities to where i dont see you
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06:12<smash>TwistOfFate then a simple packetfilter should be reasonable
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06:13<paddy>smash: and when you are bored on you can work on improving
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06:13<smash>while I wouldnt use some interface for rule generation .. it's always better to get the point of what you're doing instead of relying on some piece of sw
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06:13<paddy>'always better' is plain wrong
06:14<TwistOfFate>guess i'll red this iptables tutorial.
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06:14<paddy>its dependant on the situation and the desires of the person, the users, etc.
06:14<smash>yea best you can do .. if you have questions, dont hesitate to ask ;)
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06:14<paddy>no, the best you can do is to take self studies
06:14<styx>hi, is there a backup program that only backs up files not provided by packages?
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06:15<smash>styx why would you need that? and in general what do you want to do?
06:15<styx>(or that differ from package supplied ones)
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06:16<petemc>TwistOfFate: when you say block everything, do you plan on running a lot of services which you'll need to block access to?
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06:16<styx>smash: easy: i have a list of all installed packages. to restore, i want to install all packages and after that just put the non-packaged files (that is, real data and changed configs) on the box
06:16<TwistOfFate>petemc, i want to protect against attacks
06:16<TwistOfFate>udp or icmp attacks
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06:17<smash>styx yea i got the idea behind it - but well .. what for? :-P ..
06:17<styx>smash: so, backup space is much less (packages are smaller than extraced packages)
06:17<styx>smash: it's annoying to go to the datacenter to change tapes every other day :)
06:17<smash>the only quite reasonable way is to compare hashes of files from within the package in its original state => file by file with the ones on your system .. or track changes everytime you apply some to the files in question
06:18<smash>both ways are anything but decent
06:18<petemc>TwistOfFate: most "attacks" take place against running daemons, which if you want to allow legitate users to get at you'll not be blocking anyway
06:18<styx>smash: well, all packages do have hashes of the files, not so? - and a list of packages is smaller than the packages
06:19<styx>so, in the end i have a package list (very small) and need not to backup/restore all these gigabytes of programs
06:19<styx>smash: this is under the assumption and rule, that no file provided by a package will be recompiled or changed manually.. which holds true for my environments
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06:19<styx>(except configs, naturally)
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06:20<smash>heh well the problem is .. you need the hashes, dont you
06:20<styx>and - if a package is updated, i don't need to backup all the pkg, but just update the version
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06:23<styx>smash: the MD5s are in the packages already
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06:25<styx>in the .deb's subdirectory DEBIAN in md5sums, e.g. b910217baf4da865c395fe8f4a6c0921 usr/sbin/update-passwd
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06:26<styx>smash: and the use-data may be backed up incrementally.. but if you think i am wrong, correct me
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06:29<styx>so, i am looking for a backup program that a) backs up only not-package files, b) package list and optionally c) verifies system integrity by cross-checking the md5sums
06:29<smash>even if that applies to all packages styx
06:29<smash>you'd still need to fetch the deb, unpack it, extract the hashes .. then compare them + create hashes of the current state of the file on your fs
06:29<smash>then take actions
06:29<smash>that horrible complexity, that is
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06:31<styx>well, c) is optional; we can assume that on a clean system just the files not in packages need backup...
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06:31<styx>this crosscheck with md5 imho is optional
06:31<petemc>styx: im not sure there are backup packages created just for debian
06:31<smash>styx the problem is, that often configurations are packaged as well
06:32<styx>they are tagged somewhere... hm
06:33<styx>in the DEBIAN dir in "conffiles"
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06:33<styx>so, you don't think that would make sense?
06:36<dondelelcaro>styx: you can do that pretty easily by listing and then excluding cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
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06:38<TwistOfFate>is it safe to block all incoming icmp?
06:38<petemc>its stupid
06:39<TwistOfFate>why? im being mass pinged
06:39<petemc>how do you know that?
06:39<TwistOfFate>i run a game server.
06:39<TwistOfFate>uers are trying to bring it down.
06:39<everettz>Thinking about installing debian on an eeepc. I am completely blind. Does anyone know if the debian installer has accessibility options, like using Orca from a live CD, or speakup with a software synth?
06:40<TwistOfFate>petemc, so it's safe to do?
06:41<petemc>TwistOfFate: i dont know about safe, ive only ever found blocking icmp annoying
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06:42<schlurchz>everettz: do you think about etch or lenny?
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06:43<schlurchz>everettz: one of the first google hits:
06:44<dondelelcaro>TwistOfFate: there's pretty much no point
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06:44<dondelelcaro>(and blocking all ICMP is just wrong)
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06:45<dondelelcaro>generally all you do is not reply to ping requests
06:45<dondelelcaro>(though someone can always SYN closed ports)
06:45<koollman>TwistOfFate: if you really want to block that, stop answering to 'icmp echo request'. not to all icmp.
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06:47<styx>dondelelcaro: ayyy - thank you :) .. something new every day.
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06:48<everettz>schlurchz: Thanks for the URL. I would be open to either, depending on which may have an accessible installer.
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06:49<schlurchz>everettz: that wiki suggests that lenny has speakup, while etch has no equivalent
06:49<koollman>TwistOfFate: you could use sysctl -w net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all=1
06:49<adama>everettz: see here, I have Lenny on my Eeepc 701:
06:49<koollman>or read the doc about icmp_ratelimit
06:50<schlurchz>everettz: (etch seems to have braille support though. just check it out)
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06:52<everettz>schlurchz: Looks like my options are brail or hardware synth. Sadly I don't know braille or have a hardware synth. Where could I make a Lenny feature request to have a installer using Orca like Ubuntu and OpenSolaris?
06:53<KiDFlaSh>I want to kill a key, how can i do this?
06:53<KiDFlaSh>its very important
06:53<KiDFlaSh>because this key interrupts everything
06:53<paddy>nice & happy day;
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06:55<schlurchz>everettz: hmm, you could file a wishlist bug against d-i (debian-installer package), but I'm not sure, perhaps there are better ways to push this...
06:55<KiDFlaSh>can someone help me
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06:56<schlurchz>perhaps a DD might have better suggestions about this? (hint, hint)
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06:56<everettz>schlurchz: Ok, I'll do some more searching around. Debian really is the best distro for my needs, but it's annoying to have to find someone who can see to do the install. Ubuntu has poor responsiveness in speech because of Pulse and OpenSolaris does not run on the eeepc
06:57<KiDFlaSh>i want to, remove a key, how can i do this?
06:57<everettz>schlurchz: Thanks for the assistance.
06:57<KiDFlaSh>i need help
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06:57<simonrvn>KiDFlaSh : Please ask questions that are Specific, Informative, Complete, Concise, and On-topic.
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06:58<KiDFlaSh>i want to remove a keybinding from xmodmap
06:58<KiDFlaSh>but i dont know how
06:59<simonrvn>try xkeycaps, then load that in your ~/.xsession
07:01<paddy>petemc: dinner time?
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07:01<KiDFlaSh>the key i need is not in, the scheme, simonrvn
07:01<petemc>paddy: bit early for dinner, why do you ask?
07:02<simonrvn>so use another key layout
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07:04<KiDFlaSh>but there is the onlz one
07:05<paddy>petemc: cause i may not go to eat before my favourite #debian helpers were served first :-P
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07:07<simonrvn>KiDFlaSh: no there isn't. (and i meant keymap, not layout, sorry)
07:07<KiDFlaSh>no iu broke somethinkg
07:07<KiDFlaSh>kant erease
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07:09<dondelelcaro>KiDFlaSh: so xmodmap -pk; to figure out what keymap, and then modify it using xmodmap
07:10<dondelelcaro>(or -pm, depending on what you're doing)
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07:11<KiDFlaSh>the key i wanzt to kill is not in there
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07:22<simonrvn>maybe you're going at it wrong. come at it from the other end.
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07:24<KiDFlaSh>simon, because, my usbaudio-card does send signal to push the volumedown button
07:24<simonrvn>KiDFlaSh: try explaining the problem, or
07:24<KiDFlaSh>but this permanent pushingsignal blocks me
07:24<KiDFlaSh>i have to ignore this signal to get peace
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07:24<KiDFlaSh>is there a way?
07:25<bram>Hi i have a local (/usr/local) installed tomcat server and i want to start that with the crontab @reboot with the user tomcat
07:25<smash>identify the source or disable the sound
07:25<bram>only it doe not start at (re)boot
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07:26<smash>bram write an init.d skript .. the 'skeleton' file + all the working and proper ones should help you
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07:27<bram>well im doing that then
07:28<bram>btw now i recall i never was able to do a @reboot command in the crontab
07:28<bram>is there some sort of bug???
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07:29<KiDFlaSh>how, identify the sourceß
07:29<smash>KiDFlaSh well is that thing supposed to do some sort of key/keyboard emulation for control-specific issues?
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07:31<KiDFlaSh>i dont know it, smash
07:32<KiDFlaSh>smash du bist doch deutscher
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07:32<bram>smash, whats the best way to run the deamon as a different user.
07:32<KiDFlaSh>look pls at
07:33<smash>bram start-stop-daemon? :-)
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07:33<bram>a yes
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07:49<bram>argg stupid java calls :/
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07:51<MotoHoss>using system-config-lvm to setup my 2 250GB harddrives... rnning into a little problem... I get an error abut some modules not loaded into the kernel... and it tells me to load them.. with modprobe I do and restart system-config-lvm and still says they r not loaded. lsmod says they are.. what am I doing wrong?
07:51<nmvicky>Hi everyone,just got started on IRC.Anyway, I hav a problem with a package sun-java5-doc (I.5.0).Can any one help me get and install this package on my system?
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07:52<enouf>paddy: i eat all the time :-P
07:53<ajz3>Me 2
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07:53<paddy>enouf: thats good, would prevent me from smoking too much ... when i think about it
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07:54<MotoHoss>nmvicky: Can't answer the question til the problem is known.
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07:56<apostle>problem with keeps turning off even after I enable it and my dvd is still choppy....what should I check next?
07:56<bram>what was the command to nicely add a new init.d script in to rc
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07:57<ajz3>I've just installed Debian. Do I need lib files before I can mount ntfs drives? I'm getting this error:
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07:58<MotoHoss>bram: "man update rc.d" will get you started. if you have the script present in /etc/init.d
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07:59<enouf>apostle: use an 80wire cable, change cable
08:01<enouf>MotoHoss: system-config-xxx ? see #redhat, #fedora, #centos
08:01<enouf>nmvicky: /msg dpkg java
08:01<enouf>!tell nmvicky -about msgthebot
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08:02<enouf>ajz3: /msg dpkg ntfs (depending on whether or not you need 'ro', or 'rw' is what you'll need)
08:03<MotoHoss>enouf: this is a debian box.. hmm... and a debian pkg ...
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08:04<enouf>MotoHoss: well, whatever ... but the debian way to add support into the initrd would be to add the module names to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, then update-initramfs (see the man page)
08:04<bram>thanks MotoHoss
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08:06<And1>Heya. Is there any channel I can ask questions about urxvt? - I'm searching for a possibility, how to colorize URLs.
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08:07<MotoHoss>enouf: tx. that is helpful. haven't done any LVM stuff in years... and rarely mess with kernel modules. and I would rather do things the debian way. ;-)
08:08<enouf>MotoHoss: that's only if you need support for / on LVM, otherwise just add the list to /etc/modules
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08:09<MotoHoss>enouf: I want to migrate this box to those 2 new hdds and will need support for /
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08:13<MotoHoss>enouf: hmm now that I think about "if you need support for / on LVM" maybe I don't need LVM suppor for / ... I get that error about those modules when trying to create a snap-shot.
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08:13<gsimmons>And1: #rxvt-unicode on freenode.
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08:14<And1>gsimmons: Thanks. :)
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08:15<enouf>MotoHoss: pastebin the output of cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*}
08:15<max>hi all, wich command i have to assign to a launcher to change working area?
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08:17<enouf>max: are you referring to gnome or kde or nautilus or what?
08:18<enouf>no idea
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08:18<enouf>try gconf-editor maybe
08:18<enouf>max: there's, see #debian-gnome perhaps
08:20<max>ok thanks enouf!
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08:21<ajz3>Hi, uh. I can't access my other hard drive. I've even tried opening it through nautilus and it keeps trying to say I don't have permission.
08:22<ajz3>I've added my other internal hd into the fstab. I've gave myself permissions to the drive...
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08:24<valdyn>ajz3: you dont have permissions to WHAT?
08:25<ajz3>valdyn, <ajz3> Hi, uh. I can't access my other hard drive.
08:25<valdyn>ajz3: chmod does not affect your ability to mount ( just guessing )
08:26<panagos>in the README.Debian for wordpress, it says i should immediately create a normal user for posts, and to not login as admin. how do i create a user?
08:26<valdyn>ajz3: the error message is probably not as vague as you are
08:26<enouf>MotoHoss: that's not Debian
08:26<MotoHoss>enouf: yes it is... excuse me?
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08:27<MotoHoss>I only use debian
08:27<enouf>MotoHoss: it's some sick mutant
08:27<petemc>enouf: how do you figure that?
08:27<marian>kan mir bitte einer sachgen wie ich raus finden kan wie fil ram ein rechner hat ?
08:27<MotoHoss>enouf: that's simply not true.
08:27<valdyn>marian: wrong language
08:27<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
08:27<ajz3>valdyn, error message: You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "mydrive"
08:27<enouf>petemc: find for me anything about Etch/Lenny/Sid in that pastebin
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08:28<enouf>MotoHoss: bullshit - unless something changed that i don't know about
08:28<petemc>enouf: it changed last week to 5.0 , no?
08:28<bremner>marian: also, try dmesg | more
08:28<enouf>petemc: no, lenny was 5.0 for a while
08:28<valdyn>ajz3: "df | grep mydrive" gives what?
08:28<petemc>enouf: i know, but the string in /etc/debian_version
08:29<ajz3>valdyn, /dev/sdb1 312568640 195061180 117507460 63% /mnt/BU
08:29<petemc>MotoHoss: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
08:29<MotoHoss>enouf: u r wrong. I am using debian and have for years. never used another distro since I had 486 wid mandrake.
08:29<enouf>petemc: well .. then it's news to me .. and cannot be held responsible :-P
08:29<valdyn>ajz3: where did you change permissions?
08:29<enouf>MotoHoss: answer petemc
08:29<ajz3>I used the chown command- following valdyn
08:30<valdyn>ajz3: what is the output of "mount | grep sdb1" ( or just tell me the filesystem on sdb1 if you know it
08:30<ajz3>ntfs valdyn
08:30<MotoHoss>s# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
08:30<MotoHoss>ii libc6 2.7-16 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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08:30<valdyn>ajz3: you have ntfs write support?
08:31<ajz3>valdyn, I do not know. I just installed it. (If moving everything over and reformatting it to ext3 on a livecd would make the drive more compatable I will do that.)
08:31<craigevil-eee>enouf: cat /etc/debian_verson 5.0 this is on lenny/sid
08:31<ajz3>valdyn, "just installed" Debian.
08:32<valdyn>ajz3: if you dont need windows to access sdb1, then format it to ext3
08:32<MotoHoss>enouf try this url this is this box: it will fail and give you the apache error:
08:32<valdyn>ajz3: you do not have ntfs write support in debian by default, that means that you cannot chown either
08:33<valdyn>ajz3: and beside that ntfs acl dont clearly map to linux/unix permissions
08:33<ajz3>valdyn, Will I need to set permissions through root again after I reformat the drive?
08:33<valdyn>ajz3: yes
08:33<ajz3>valdyn, and will that be with the chown command?
08:34<valdyn>ajz3: chown changes the owner.. if that is what you want
08:35<ajz3>valdyn, that is what I want. Thanks for your help. I am sorry for being vague in the beginning.
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08:39<MotoHoss>enouf: I am simply a debian user needing assistance. In this case you are mistaken.
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08:43<Gekz>enouf: he's using Debian
08:43<Gekz>you're wrong.
08:43<Gekz>enouf: I got the same output on lenny.
08:43<Gekz>4.0 though
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08:45<MotoHoss>Gekz: and petemc: thanks. anything ese I can copy paste? to assist in my quest to 'prove' i use debian...
08:45<Gekz>MotoHoss: do you use Sid?
08:45<MotoHoss>nope lenny.
08:45<Gekz>are you sure?
08:45<bremner>MotoHoss: say bad things about Ubuntu, then we will believe you
08:45<MotoHoss>my sources.list syas so.
08:45<MotoHoss>and a few backports...
08:45<Gekz>pastebin your sources.lists
08:45<Gekz>pastebin your sources.list
08:45<petemc>thats not necessary..
08:45<MotoHoss>ubuntu is for wimps.
08:46<petemc>MotoHoss: whats the problem anyway?
08:46<bremner>MotoHoss: lenny backports doesn't exist yet?
08:46<MotoHoss>sources.list says : deb etch-backports main
08:46<MotoHoss>but the debian lines say lenny.
08:47<Gekz>that's damaging.
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08:47<MotoHoss>deb lenny main non-free contrib
08:48<Gekz>lol ok
08:48<Gekz>so what's your problem
08:48<craigevil-eee>what the heck would be in backports tha isnt in lenny or sid?
08:48<MotoHoss>that sources.list file has been around since sarge.
08:48<Gekz>craigevil-eee: maybe pidgin 2.5.2
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08:48<MotoHoss>I never bothered to remove the lines...
08:49*petern ponders lennying
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08:49<MotoHoss>that was a couple years ago and a motherboard. ;-)
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08:51<MotoHoss>petemc: the problem is I am in tyhe process of re-upping my knowledge of LVM and using the 'gui' system-config-lvm and it complains that some modules are not loaded. so i did what the progam said do and it still says they aren't loaded.
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08:52<petemc>oh, i know nothing of that tool
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08:52<apostle>enouf, that was it
08:52<apostle>it had a cdrom cable
08:53<apostle>I just put in a different cable that is not cdrom
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08:53<apostle>and voila
08:53<petemc>installing lvm2 and using a debian kernel means you're good to go, usually
08:53<apostle>enouf, thanks super thanks
08:53<MotoHoss>so I took enouf's advice and used the /etc/initramfs/modules and issued the update-initramfs -u tool and it still says they aren't loaded. though lsmod says otherwise.
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08:57<path_>any recommended tool to keep track of what users do and emailing it? I've tested lfd but look forward to finding alternatives
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08:58<FTPeed>has anyone got virtualhosts working with the standard debian 8.04 pure-ftpd package? this option is usually used at compiled time but its unclear if it was used at compile time
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08:58<Maulkin>FTPeed: 8.04 isn't Debian. You want #ubuntu on
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08:59<FTPeed>oops <blush> meant etch
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08:59<valdyn>!tell FTPeed -about ask
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09:04<FTPeed>!tell FTPeed -about ask
09:04<dpkg>hello, paddy
09:04<MotoHoss>now that I am aware that the 'release' file is missing (why I do not have a clue) what do I need to do to get it bac inplace like it's "supposed" to be?
09:05<paddy>FTPeed: it talks to you via /query also if you like
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09:05<paddy>MotoHoss: you mean /etc/release or which file exactly?
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09:06<MotoHoss>paddy: exactly and /etc/version/ as well.
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09:06<MotoHoss>I know I could just put one there... but I'd rather it be placed like it's supposed to be.
09:06<paddy>MotoHoss: its /etc/debian_version that only contains '4.0' for Etch and '5.0' for Lenny
09:07<MotoHoss>ok debian_version exists.
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09:08<paddy>the /etc/issue{.net} and /etc/motd fetch it from there
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09:08<paddy>what you can do is 'cp -a /etc /root' before you fiddle with anything there
09:08<FTPeed>I have a problem with pure-ftpd-mysql 1.0.21-8; I'm running Debian version Etch 4.0. when I try to do the symlink in /etc/pureftpd to an ip specific to one of many domains I get the following output a 421 error - the file or directory does not exist. I expected it to redirect the anonymous login to the directory specified by the symlink in /etc/pureftpd according to the ip connected to by the client.
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09:09<RAA>i couldn't help you :(
09:09<RAA>i'm quite a debian noob xD
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09:10*paddy refuses to help with ftp related things due to his personal agenda
09:10<RAA>r u joking paddy? XD
09:10<paddy>either ssh/scp or http, cause ftp is dead
09:11<totovld>hi all, is it stupid to think about someting like this ? : i have different server physical architecture , i mean dell or else ... but all of them under the same Linux release in an x64 archi , if i install an image kernel and then i compil a module for this kernel on one of these server , is it possible to export it to the others or may i have to compil it for each one ?
09:11<paddy>even rsync you pipe through ssh tunnels
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09:11<FTPeed>would love to, several hundred thousand customers need re-education
09:11<paddy>but as i said, its my personal agenda and no world creating truth for all
09:12<enouf>apostle: np ;-)
09:12<paddy>FTPeed: dude, if you have hundreds of thousands of customers then hire somebody who does the admin stuff :-P
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09:13<paddy>FTPeed: or ask the debian team if they take core of your hardware in trade of a nice donation :D
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09:13<paddy>take core/take care
09:13<RAA>how could i install gnome 2.24? I'm coming from Ubuntu (don't say a word about it, please xD) and i am quite noob for that
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09:13<FTPeed>funny , actual problem is I'm trying to dump proftp as it seems to have security issues weekly, so far only pureftpd supports the mod_vroot funtionality (following symlinks from chrooted sessions)
09:14<paddy>RAA: aptitude install xorg-xserver gnome && echo "done"
09:14<MotoHoss>paddy: yeah /etc is already backed up. that's np.
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09:14<enouf>Gekz: .. note. .. that command will show most any distroname
09:14<RAA>this will install the 2.24 gnome version ?
09:14<paddy>RAA: this will install the 'proper' version for your release
09:14<RAA>mmm ok
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09:15<enouf>Gekz: turns out then, someone asshat in Debian had to go and fuck it all up now ... again
09:15<RAA>i suppose that as i'm running lenny, the proper will be 2.22 right?
09:15<paddy>enouf: name the person!!1
09:15<enouf>paddywagon was their name
09:15<totovld>hey guys , an idea about my module question ?
09:15<paddy>oh crap
09:15<RAA>sorry totovld :(
09:15<paddy>reminds me of my homework, brb
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09:16<petemc>totovld: if they are the same arch, and use the same kernels, sure
09:16<totovld>petemc : great ... i was pretty sure .
09:16<paddy>totovld: plus they should be build with the same toolchain version
09:16<enouf>totovld: all amd64 arch are compatible
09:16<petemc>totovld: one of the more common problem with modules is the kernel was compiled with a different version of gcc than the module is
09:16<Gekz>enouf: I love asshats
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09:17<totovld>paddy : they are ... but do i have to up the headers of the kernel used for the compil ?
09:17<enouf>Gekz: you have company over?
09:17<paddy>totovld: yes you will either need the kernel source or the headers package
09:17<Gekz>enouf: not yet
09:17<Gekz>but I get to enjoy asian ones soon
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09:18<enouf>Gekz: then you must love commies
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09:18<Gekz>enouf: totally >_>
09:18<chus>hola otra vez
09:18<Gekz>enouf: they're filipino
09:18<chus>tengo curooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
09:18<enouf>philip who? oh, you like ac/dc ?
09:19<totovld>paddy : so ... i must insure they all roll under the same toolchain release , the same image kernel and then i just have to copy the kernel-headers and the module to the other server , then a little depmod -a and a insmod should rocks no ? do i forget something ?
09:19<RAA>So there isn't any way to isntall Gnome 2.24 on my Lenny? I have to wait until it will be included in official repos?
09:19<enouf>totovld: modprobe over insmod/rmmod
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09:19<totovld>enouf : yes ...
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09:19<RAA>omg xD
09:19<totovld>RAA : take a look on garnome project
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09:20<enouf>RAA: compile it yourself
09:20<RAA>it's the only way, huh=
09:20<enouf>judd: versions gnome
09:20<judd>enouf: gnome -- etch: 1: lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5
09:20<petemc>RAA: debian stable gets backports of packages
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09:21<RAA>what are backports?
09:21<petemc> /msg dpkg backports
09:21<RAA>i'm a noob, but i want to learn :D
09:21<petemc>newer software "backported" to work on older versions of debian
09:21<enouf>petemc: if it isn't atleast in sid, it's not in backports - as a matter of fact, it needs to make it to testing to become a backport, IINM
09:22<paddy> looks like a c00l domain
09:22<petemc>enouf: read what i said
09:22<enouf>petemc: i'm not referring to personal backports obviously
09:22<enouf>petemc: read what he asked about
09:23<RAA>mmm ok
09:23<RAA>what is the difference between the experimental repo and sid repo?
09:23<paddy>Equipe Support ... offers you 0day warez from the Free Software Community
09:23*paddy grins all over
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09:23<bremner>RAA: experimental is more unstable than unstable
09:23<blast_hardcheese>Hey, I've botched the transition between lilo and grub; I'm getting "Kernel panic: no init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. When I boot up I just get the grub command line, so I do: root (hd1,1) (my root partition), kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19 ro root=/dev/hdb1, initrd /boot/config-2.2.19, boot
09:24<RAA>and i suppose newer than sid
09:24<bremner>RAA: technically, experimental is not a complete distribution, so it only supplements unstable
09:24<paddy>some day i wanna live some place similar to 'Avenue Louise'
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09:24<blast_hardcheese>I've seen people suggest "init=1/2/3/whatever" but that doesn't work,
09:24<blast_hardcheese>I think I may be passing args to the kernel in the wrong way possibly
09:24<paddy>or St. Anna's Street if it has to be in the UK
09:24<bremner>RAA: right now because of the lenny (non)-release process, more stuff is getting pushed to experimental
09:24<FTPeed>anyone perhaps got any experience with pureftpd
09:24<petemc>blast_hardcheese: did you tab complete the lines in grub?
09:25<bremner>!tell RAA about unstable
09:25<petemc>blast_hardcheese: or is there a chance you got your root line wrong?
09:25<blast_hardcheese>petemc: I tab-completed the paths, yes
09:25<enouf>petemc: sorry .. i really don't mean to come off as a pompous arrogant pig or anything .. sincerely .. (fwiw - i always dislike it when others try to do it to me) .. so forgive my terseness
09:25<blast_hardcheese>petemc: I've got the right root partition, hdb1
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09:26<enouf>blast_hardcheese: do find /boot/grub/stage1
09:27<enouf>blast_hardcheese: er .. 2.2.x kernel? nice
09:28<blast_hardcheese>enouf: There are two partitions with /boot/grub on them, hda0 and hdb1
09:28<enouf>there's your issue
09:28<petemc>enouf: no sweat
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09:28<enouf>easiest and quickest to reverse the order in the BIOS, otherwise fix it
09:28<blast_hardcheese>Otherwise fix what
09:29<enouf>petemc: nod
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09:29<enouf>blast_hardcheese: fix your grubs
09:29<blast_hardcheese>I've got two /boot/ directories on different partitions, they shouldn't matter since I'm setting root directly
09:29<enouf>blast_hardcheese: er.. there is no hda0
09:29<enouf>blast_hardcheese: so it's not on 2 partitions
09:29<enouf>blast_hardcheese: it should be in the MBR anyway
09:29<blast_hardcheese>(hd0,0) (hd1,1)
09:30<enouf>that's hda1 and hdb1 (or sda1, sdb1) yes
09:30<enouf>install it into the MBR
09:30<blast_hardcheese>hda1 and hdb2
09:30<blast_hardcheese>I did that
09:30<enouf>or (hd1)
09:30<Pete_B>I read that Adobe Flash Player 10 doesn't work on Etch because it requires newer libraries than are in Etch, is this true?
09:30<blast_hardcheese>but I did grub-install /dev/hda
09:31<blast_hardcheese>What I don't understand is how Grub transitions between MBR and Filesystems, there doesn't seem to be a link there
09:31<enouf>then install it onto /dev/hdb ... or point stage1 on hda to stage2 on hdb - see the install command
09:31<blast_hardcheese>If there were a bunch of files that I could just dd to various places on my disk I would be happy
09:31<RAA>Why Debian manteiner's are so slow in including new software in Sid as Gnome or the new kernel 2.27?
09:32<enouf>blast_hardcheese: are you using grub1 .. or newer grub2 ?
09:32<enouf>grub-pc is it?
09:32<koollman>RAA: because they are busy trying to release lenny ? or any other random reason ? :)
09:32<enouf>RAA: lenny is frozen
09:32<enouf>it backs things up
09:32<blast_hardcheese>enouf: .91
09:32<enouf>that's grub1 - legacy, ok
09:33<RAA>so every time they has a release to do, all the updating process slow down?
09:33<enouf>RAA: read about how releases work - /msg dpkg releases
09:33<RAA>heam... excuse me for my poor english xD
09:33<Pete_B>RAA: because whilst Testing is frozen, nothing that wouldn't go into Testing is allowed into Unstable, until after the release of Testing
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09:34<RAA>ooook i've understood
09:34<avu>Pete_B, that's not true.
09:34<RAA>so i have only to wait! :D thanks a lot folks ^^
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09:34<avu>there already is plenty of stuff in sid that won't make it to lenny.
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09:34<avu>developers are just encouraged not to make huge transitions so the path through sid can still be taken by packages
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09:35<RAA>when is Lenny predicted to be released?
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09:35<enouf>RAA: sometime in 2009
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09:36<RAA>so... a question comes in my mind
09:36<stew>RAA: anyone that claims they can predict a date for lenny with any accuracy is lying
09:36*enouf thinks he can faithfully say that for atleast another 9 days or so
09:36<RAA>remember that i'm a noob xD
09:36<blast_hardcheese>enouf: Sorry, What should I be looking for and/or doing? I've got grub installed on the MBR, I just don't know how to point that grub at (hd1,1)/boot/grub/
09:36<enouf>stew: you gotta admit, my guess is close :-)
09:36<stew>enouf: yeah, i think your guess is accurate
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09:37<Pete_B>avu: thanks for putting me straight
09:37<RAA>if debian doesn't include the most bleeding-edge features of the linux world, why it is a good choice for desktop users?
09:37<RAA>i noticed that is 4x faster than ubuntu, and that ubuntu has loads of rubbish inside
09:38<RAA>but is updated quite well with new softwares
09:38<Lethalman>RAA: it's a different project
09:38<stew>RAA: becuase to some people, having a good set of more bug-free, more stable packages is preferable to having fewer, buggier, packages on their desktop even if they are newer
09:38<enouf>blast_hardcheese: why are you pointing any grub to (hd1,1) ? just install it to (hd1) as well .. or .. as i mentioned read the install command and have fun
09:38<RAA>let me know about your opinions
09:40<blast_hardcheese>enouf: My root partition is (hd1,1) As I understand it, you need to set the root partition correctly, then set your kernel, then set your initrd, then boot
09:40<blast_hardcheese>So 1,1 is my filesystem root,
09:41<enouf>blast_hardcheese: doesn't matter ... you're not even getting a menu.lst to appear
09:41<blast_hardcheese>That's correct
09:41<enouf>so, you're never getting to stage2 (IIUC)
09:42<Pete_B>I read that Adobe Flash Player 10 doesn't work on Etch because it requires newer libraries than aren't in Etch, is this true?
09:42<blast_hardcheese>I'm getting to and past stage2
09:42<enouf>blast_hardcheese: nope
09:42<enouf>blast_hardcheese: and not only that - is /boot on a separate partition?
09:42<blast_hardcheese>"Kernel panic: no init found. Try passing init= option to kernel" seems past stage2
09:43<blast_hardcheese>I was trying to do /boot as a separate partition, but it fucked everything up and I had to reformat
09:43<enouf>your kernel seems fucked as well
09:44<blast_hardcheese>It's just 2.2.19, For some reason it liked lilo just fine
09:44<enouf>blast_hardcheese: then use LiLo
09:44<blast_hardcheese>enouf: Lilo does not do things that I need my bootloader to do
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09:45<blast_hardcheese>They're both great bootloaders, the developers just took them in different directions. I need Grub's skillset
09:45<enouf>try other bootloaders? i'm not sure what's exactly wrong ..
09:45<enouf>blast_hardcheese: might be some pivot_root issue, that's just a guess though
09:46<blast_hardcheese>I suspect I'm just not loading 2.2.19 correctly
09:47<enouf>blast_hardcheese: there are atleast three good docs within /Documentation/{early-userspace} about initrds/initramfs
09:47<snogglethorpe>blast_hardcheese: but ... but... we put our faith in you!
09:47<blast_hardcheese>snogglethorpe: I don't deserve your faith *walks away in shame* ;)
09:47*enouf goes back to bed for an hour or so
09:48<blast_hardcheese>(Sidenote, yey at the fact that there are misties everywhere)
09:48<enouf>bah .. seems for 20-30 minutes only :-/
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09:50<blast_hardcheese>Ah well. I'll play with this tomorrow
09:50<blast_hardcheese>I require sleep.
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09:51<enouf>blast_hardcheese: heh, man rdev might be relevant ..
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09:52<blast_hardcheese>enouf: I wish I could just boot into this system, Grub installation has always mystified me.
09:52<enouf>blast_hardcheese: what arch? i386?
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09:55<FTPeed>Regarding debian etch source packages, usually when I dget a dsc file I get the source tarball with a sub directory 'debian' with the rules, changelog, etc but I recently downloaded a couple of package (e.g. pureftpd) which did not contain the debian sub-directory. Is there a way to create a deb package from 'normal' source code?
09:56<OdyX>FTPeed: AFAIK no. debian/copyright is the bare minimum I would guess…
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09:57<FTPeed>OdyX: thanks, strange that the dsc from don't include the minimum
09:57<blast_hardcheese>enouf, yeah
09:57<OdyX>FTPeed: which package/version ? URL ?
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09:58<FTPeed>OdyX: from - - it's quite possible I'm misunderstanding something here, I'm pretty new to Debian
09:59<OdyX>dsc is not the source package… it's a description…
09:59<FTPeed>yep but a dget on the dsc pulls down the source tarball
09:59<OdyX>You need to download the 3 (dsc, orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz)
10:00<OdyX>you'd better use apt-get source or similar…
10:00<FTPeed>cool thanks, I'll giev that a go
10:00<OdyX>.diff.gz of pure-ftpd contains the debian/ sub-directory and various things…
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10:01<enouf>FTPeed: /msg dpkg deb-src
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10:01<FTPeed>OdyX: awesome - that's solved it :)
10:01<OdyX>my pleasure ;)
10:01<enouf>OdyX: wht
10:02<ebzzry>Do the messages sent to stdout from X applications sent somewhere aside from the screen (e.g. tty1), i.e. disk file?
10:02<OdyX>wht ? ?
10:02<enouf>OdyX: what's with the utf-8? does your client suck? or does mine?
10:02<OdyX>You mean this caracter -> <- or this one ->…<- ?
10:02<enouf>the latter ;-)
10:03<OdyX>(first one is   and the second one is "...")
10:03<enouf>2nd one
10:03<enouf>html? dear god
10:03<OdyX>I don't know, it appears correctly here...
10:03<OdyX>not html, but "non breakable space"
10:03<OdyX>the latter is "Compose-Dot-Dot"
10:03<OdyX>Compose-o-e is œ ;)
10:03<enouf>ok .. nm ... i give up
10:03<enouf>thanks though
10:04<OdyX>probably font issues…
10:04<OdyX>!tell enouf about defoma ?? ;)
10:04<enouf>righto - yep
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10:15<blast_hardcheese>defoma is a very japanese-y name, imo
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10:18<jackyf>blast_hardcheese: hehe, +1
10:18<jackyf>though originially it means just debian font manager :)
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10:18<petern>originally? doesn't it still?
10:18<jackyf>still, still :)
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10:23<paddy>sorry for the re-connects. had to conf-iddle ze irssi
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10:24<paddy>and by this chance - how could i automagically run irssi fullscreen via the ALT+F2 run dialog in gnome - or even better, on a click on some icon on the desktop?
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10:24<paddy>or do i need to work with devilspie?
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10:25<blast_hardcheese>paddy: Doesn't gnome-terminal accept args?
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10:25<Lenhix>uhm, I don't use gnome, but hasn't the run dialog some options?
10:25<paddy>blast_hardcheese: thats a hint, thanks so far!
10:25<blast_hardcheese>paddy: Yeah, I assisted a friend doing something like this, except launching Finch inside of Screen when he clicked on a button on the gnome toolbar
10:26<paddy> gnome-terminal [OPTION...] GNOME Terminal Emulator
10:26<paddy>perfect for my needs in combo with devilspie!
10:26<blast_hardcheese>try gnome-terminal.wrapper
10:26<blast_hardcheese>that might have more options
10:26<paddy>simple is good
10:26<paddy>so i can re-do it on any gnome desktop within seconds
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10:27<paddy>ah, one riddle is still unresolved: that run dialog of gnome obviously treats bash scripts differently
10:27<paddy>does anybody know details why... and how?
10:27<blast_hardcheese>Treats them differently?
10:28<paddy>blast_hardcheese: yes, i remember there used to be a script to launch the SecondLife linux client. and it would forget variable settings when started via that run dialog. it required to be started from a full terminal
10:29<paddy>or - maybe the problem was the interaction between multiple scripts
10:29<paddy>that called other scripts and tools from within itself
10:30<blast_hardcheese>Perhaps it's due to gnome's environment, gnome doesn't parse .bash* files, so your fancy path customizations are left out completely
10:30<paddy>then we would walk towards a forking problem, right?
10:30<blast_hardcheese>You and your forking problems
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10:30<blast_hardcheese>I've had just about enough of your forkin-- Alright enough of that joke
10:31<paddy>brb, smoke :-p
10:31<blast_hardcheese>brb, sleep
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10:31<paddy>dream well
10:31<blast_hardcheese>Thank you, good luck
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10:34<client>my korganizer calender uses the uct rather then the local time. i can't find a way to change it. can anyone help?
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10:40<Lenhix>Perhaps running tzconfig?
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10:44<client>thanks for the info lenhix... there is some good info about utc in the help file of that command.
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10:57<rjent_>What do I need to make a Atheros 242x wireless on lenny?
10:57<rjent_>work on lenny
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10:58<rjent_>hmm, hang on could be user error
11:00<christoph>anyone help me with exim4 configuration? it currently fails with option setting expected: (( email = '${quote_mysql:$local_part}@${quote_mysql:$domain}' )
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11:10<OdyX>!tell christoph about ask
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11:12<petemc>OdyX: he did ask
11:13<OdyX>petemc: point of view… I can't get to know what he expects…
11:13<OdyX>but ACK, my !tell is maybe a little too prematurate or harsh
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11:14<lemanuel>install aim?
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11:17<transiency>is down?
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11:20<transiency>i cant seem to resolve the dns for
11:21<bremner>transiency: works for me.
11:21<transiency>sweet thanks
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11:22*bremner considers moonlighting as a DNS server
11:22<transiency>your most effective, i must say
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11:29<Lenhix>Hi guys. How can I configure CUPS to not listen on IPv6 addresses?
11:29<Lenhix>(*not to listen? :S)
11:31<Lenhix>Got it, had to change localhost to in cupsd.conf
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11:34<christoph>anyone experienced in syscp? I'm failing in configuring EXIM4 ->
11:36<petemc>christoph: i dont know what syscp is, but add a colon to the end of that router name
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11:39<christoph>petemc, hm what do you mean ?
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11:40<petemc>in your config you have a line "syscp_mailalias"
11:40<petemc>that should be "syscp_mailalias:"
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12:22<gsamsa>hi, can someone give me some info on how to add a language to a package?
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12:27<gsamsa>there is no pt_PT for centerim-common package for example
12:28<gsamsa>i would like to create that locale, by translating it.
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12:32<narhen>I'm about to preform a netboot install of debian. I have managed to get the setup running. But it comes to a point where it says that I need a Ethernet car driver to continue installing.
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12:32<narhen>It says no ethernet card detecedt
12:32<narhen>anyone who can give me a hand?
12:33<narhen>The motherboard is Asus p5q pro
12:34<gsamsa>which ethercard is it ?
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12:36<Torsten_W>narhen: u use kernel 2.6.18?
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12:37<narhen>I'm using the integrated one one the m.board. Asus P5Q PRO ATHEROS L1E
12:37<narhen>Yes I am
12:37<enouf>gsamsa: maybe you want to ask that in #debian-devel (are you a develepor?) .. or, join those mailing lists many of us (here and on freenode) have been pointing you to
12:38<narhen>Torsten_W: I'm installing that kernel. (if that is the latest)
12:38<Torsten_W>narhen: no, u need a newer kernel
12:38<gsamsa>ok enouf ...
12:38<enouf>narhen: you likely want etchnhalf .24 kernel or even etch-backports .26
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12:41<narhen>Torsten_W: I downloaded the netboot files today, so I suppose I'm installing the newes kernel?
12:41<gsamsa>narhen: download lenny
12:42<mmp>hello, is it intentional that the scripts/local-top/lvm2 file is missing in current stable initramfs ?
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12:42<narhen>enouf: So what u are saying is that I have to install another kernel verson?
12:42<mmp>better said, any initramfs generated by current etch distro
12:42<flixil>Hello. I got gforce4Mx graphic card that works with legacy 96xx nvidia driver. But when trying to get X up, they fail saying that my cpu doesn't got SSE and so... Is there a workaround? I installed using m-a a-i and legacy 96xx sources. (BTW, i'm not playing to change my cpu to anything newer :P)
12:42<narhen>gamsa: what is lenny?
12:42<enouf>narhen: also, read the installation guide - especially the Boot Parameters section
12:43<mmp>scripts/local-top/lvm depends on this file, so it makes booting from LVM root impossible
12:43<enouf>!tell narhen about releases
12:44<enouf>mmp: hrm ... might ask in #debian-boot ..
12:44<narhen>enouf: thx. will have a closer look
12:44<enouf>mmp: check BTS first though
12:44<narhen>probably going to ask some more questions later.
12:45<enouf>narhen: why are you netbooting? did you mean netinstall ?
12:46<narhen>oh, sorry. Netinstall of couse
12:46<gsamsa>narhen: are you install etch for some reason ?
12:46<mmp>enouf: ok, I'll try, I'm just running from boot cd on that machine
12:46<mmp>I'll check it later, bye for now:)
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12:50<narhen>gsamsa: Well. etch is the current stable release, isnt it? Im'kinda new in debian. So I figured the stable verson was the thing for me..
12:51<gsamsa>narhen: if it is to install on the desktop, i advise you to download and install lenny. It comes with kernel 2.6.26 which supports your ethernet card.
12:51<gsamsa>it is considered testing only because debian standards are high.
12:51<blarson>flixil: You might try the nv driver.
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12:53<narhen>gsamsa: Ok. Then I will follow your advise. thank you:)
12:54<gsamsa>go ahead
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12:54<upsy>narhen: lenny will become stable soon (ish) anyway
12:54<upsy>if you really want stable
12:57<christoph>I'm still working on my exim4 config: which fails with
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13:11<enouf>flixil which CPU? i've used the nvidia driver on that exact card on my p2 (which doesn't have SSE) so i don't know wtf you're doing
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13:15<enouf>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) ... oh crap - you said geforce*4*
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13:15<rizha_>hello how to see japanese font in ryhtmbox music player..??
13:15<rizha_>what i should install
13:15<enouf>yeah - you'll want SSE on your CPU to get any kind of performance out of that hunk of crap
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13:16<rizha_>why my rythmbox can't read japanese font???
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13:37*paddy hugs baby boy Lenny, because ... its the best child that was ever born
13:39<paddy>Lenhix: Debian 5.0 will be called Lenny
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13:40<paddy>and for me it is born already, because i can use it just fine. almost like it was designed for linux fans like me
13:40<christoph>paddy it was
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13:40*paddy throws all ubuntu CDs out of the window
13:40<paddy>christoph: was?
13:40<paddy>i missed the release notes?
13:40<christoph>paddy, it was designed for people like you ;)
13:41<paddy>oh, haha
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13:42<paddy>and these people can stop sending me mails about viagra offers, i dont need sex. i have a computer...
13:42<paddy>even localized spam, ... is pointless
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13:44<paddy>dpkg: sex?
13:44<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep
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13:45<paddy>updatedb is pointless btw, find is super fast these days
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13:46<scientes> strip; look; touch; finger; unzip;
13:46<paddy>or you can ask Google: have you seen my girlfriend?
13:46<paddy>will list lotsa pics and addresses
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13:46<scientes>or "number of horns on a univorn"
13:47<paddy>yeah, Google has become really smart
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13:48<scientes>i love the way it grabs whats importand out of wikipedia articles
13:49<scientes>it understands the format, will give urls right in the results if they arnt on the native search results
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14:05<Lenhix>interesting, fxiny
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14:07<fxiny>Lenhix: usually they do the "it was wrorking in ubu" version :P
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14:12<Valtiel-ASD>i use it
14:12<Valtiel-ASD>i'm glade it
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14:24<christoph>how do I check why postfix is not running?
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14:25<paddy>christoph: /var/log
14:25<paddy>christoph: start with 'syslog' if there is no specialized directory
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14:28<christoph>paddy nothing usefull there unfortunately
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14:29<paddy>christoph: i didnt touch postfix in ages, so i am not sure where it keeps logs
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14:29<paddy>christoph: any reason why you dont use exim?
14:30<christoph>because it did not work for me and everyone was telling me to use postfix
14:31<christoph>paddy, ->
14:31<paddy>these people ... who tell people to use software but dont pickup the support job :-P
14:31<paddy>tell people/tell others
14:32<paddy>ah, the second paste is the reason why exim4 causes drama
14:32<paddy>the other is?
14:32<christoph>the sympton I guess
14:33<christoph>paddy does that mean you see the problem in this conf?
14:34<paddy>christoph: i am not exactly sure what you are trying to do (yet), but exim complains about the config option 'SYSCP_MAILALIAS'
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14:35<paddy>do you have the chance to grab a book about exim or at least a good online tutorial?
14:35<paddy>cause i dont think postfix is easier when you poke around with mysql support
14:35<christoph>paddy, the upper or the lowercase one?
14:35<Lenhix>perhaps that's the reason: there are two
14:36<Lenhix>(just thinking)
14:36<christoph>If I won't get it working today I'll go for an tutorial and start learning some bore about MTASs I guess
14:36<paddy>christoph: exim says 'main option' so i assume the first mention in the config in the main section
14:37<paddy>but i dont know to be honest
14:37<paddy>i use and googlemail :-P
14:37<m42>christoph: the fail is on line 41, so i guess is the lowercase one...
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14:38<m42>but my knowledge of exim ends here... never used or configured it....
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14:38<paddy>oh yeah, i didnt see exim's hint 'error in line 41'
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14:39<paddy>i would assume something needed in line 41 is not defined properly in the main section
14:39<schlurchz>.oO( I find it a weird decision to switch to other software just because one managed to set some obviously broken config option )
14:39<christoph>schlurchz, this one is more or less me
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14:39<m42>i'm guessing it might be some typo or syntax error on the "syscp_mailalias" option...
14:39<christoph>or the thing
14:39<paddy>schlurchz: its not his fault. i bet there was people on IRC who said ... 'dude, exim is shit, go and use postfix'
14:40<schlurchz>yeah. you're weird :-)
14:40<schlurchz>paddy: oh well, maybe
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14:41<schlurchz>christoph: Hey, exim is clearly pointing the finger at the right spot. Read some docs and fix it. :-)
14:41<paddy>lets see if the bot knows a good link
14:41<dpkg>[exim] a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <exim4gmail> <why exim> or see
14:41<dpkg>i heard exim4 is the default MTA in Debian since sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on
14:41<schlurchz>exim has a good manual.
14:42<paddy>schlurchz: sometimes people need more trivial examples than those mentioned in the docs of the authors
14:43<paddy>e.g. 'how do you create a 32bit chroot bla bla' and i learned it within 5 minutes because Baby gave me a bash script that does exactly that
14:43<schlurchz>paddy: hmm, I don't recall any examples :-) It's long ago that I configured my Exim servers
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14:43<paddy>schlurchz: you might be a techy person then :-)
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14:43<FoxM>Hi. How do I use wengophone now that the software changed to qutecom?
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14:44<paddy>techy people forgot that reading docs is a bit like learning a foreign language. you are depending on a vocabulary to be able to understand
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14:44<schlurchz>I think that non-techy persons should think twice about running a mail server.
14:44<paddy>forgot that/sometimes forget that
14:44<paddy>schlurchz: so true. thats why i stick to freemailers like and gmail
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14:45<paddy>it has a bonus: they do the spam filtering work for me :D
14:45<schlurchz>paddy: I don't say reading docs like the exim manual is *simple*. But you need to, if you want to do anything. It's that simple
14:46<paddy>schlurchz: yes, but ... people like me ... have to consume lots of coffee and cigarettes to 'EAT' that stuff
14:46<schlurchz>paddy: so then, consume what you need to consume, or pay someone else to do it. :-)
14:48<FoxM>Hi. How do I use wengophone now that the software changed to qutecom?
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14:52<paddy>wengophone must be the trigger for me to pickup another coffee
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15:07<Lenhix>wengophone, for some reason, makes me think about The Flinstones
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15:12<FoxM>Lenhix: too archaic? then can you give me an opinion about a software similar to skype that can be used on linux and windows for videochat?
15:13<Lenhix>FoxM: I didn't say the reason was "too archaic"
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15:13<FoxM>Lenhix: that's why I am asking... do you think is too old or not very interesting?
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15:14<Lenhix>I didn't know what was wengophone, it just sounded like sth The Flinstones would use. Besides, I'm not from an english-speaking country, so I don't know how the flinstones-phone is actually called... wengophone sounded funny
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15:15<bremner>FoxM: some people like twinkle
15:15<FoxM>Lenhix: hahahahaah very nice
15:15<Lenhix>I used twinkle when we had VoIP at the office
15:15<FoxM>bremner: thanks! I am going to check it right now
15:15<bremner>FoxM: Ekiga is another possibility
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15:28<Snoupy>hi there, is there a package (php or other) that i can use to create a video web site ? i would like to upload video files (flv) and have an interface so that people can read the videos without having to download them
15:28<paddy>Snoupy: you mean a framework to rebuild youtube?
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15:31<paddy>Snoupy: my tip for a quick start: register at and GO_TO_YOUTUBE
15:31<paddy>no php framework will defeat this
15:32<paddy>in case you are afraid of legal issues: rm -rf ~/video
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15:33<paddy>ubuntu: oh, oh
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15:35<Snoupy>yes ok but my friends will then be forced to have a google login
15:36<paddy>Snoupy: no
15:36<Snoupy>i would like to stay out of google
15:36<paddy>Snoupy: and if they are your friends for real, tell them about youtube and dont force them to connect to a machine that is administrated by you ... if you have to ask for Google keywords ... here on IRC
15:37<paddy>e.g. help yourself: +debian +php +framework +video
15:37<paddy>no results? maybe no package
15:37<paddy>then move on to sourceforge or freshmeat and bake your own package
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15:39<paddy>Snoupy: have a nice day
15:39<paddy>Snoupy: no, you can stay here and ask all you want
15:40<paddy>i am just in a silly mood
15:40<paddy>i blame a certain person on #debian-devel. and i am not allowed to /query that person and yell at him
15:40<paddy>so i am dancing through #debian instead
15:40<paddy>i am sorry
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15:41<bono>hello,why dont we have a pushd manpage in debian...
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15:41<paddy>bono: are you asking me to write one?
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15:41<paddy>please explain what pushd is supposed to do
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15:42<bremner>bono: it is is a shell builtin. Look in the appropriate shell man page
15:42<bono>I am wonder why there is no this...
15:42<Snoupy>the problem with google is that tha
15:42<Snoupy>they are beginning to own all data
15:42<Snoupy>rather scary
15:43<paddy>'man apropos'
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15:44<paddy>people with pushd push me to push more ... homework;
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15:55<christoph>how sensible is exim4 to empty lines in it's config files?
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15:57<MotoHoss>christoph: mine has several.. I haven't noticed any problems.
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16:00<MotoHoss>christoph: In particular, continuation lines are supported, blank lines are ignored, as are lines whose first non-whitespace- from here: which led here: In particular, continuation lines are supported, blank lines are ignored, as are lines whose first non-whitespace
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16:01<christoph>aj MotoHoss so this is not the cause
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16:14<Lenhix>How could I delete the N last lines of a file without using an editor?
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16:14<defcon>hey, is it possible kde 4 on etch?
16:14<Supaplex>Lenhix: maybe sed, but I'm not that savvy with it
16:14<dpkg>kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see See Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>.
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16:17<s3a>when i try to convert a ~150 page pdf to jpegs, it uses almost all of my 4 gb swap and almost all of my 2 gb ram (and i have the intel E2180 cpu) so all this should be fast and when i do the conversion process and try to do ANYTHING else simultaneously, it works at less than reasonable speed! (i set swappiness to 1 and vm.vfs_cache_pressure to 1 also)
16:17<s3a>i use lenny amd64
16:17<ifvoid>s3a: "it" ?
16:17<Supaplex>s3a: what if you do a page or two at a time?
16:17<s3a>the terminal with imagemagick doing the conversion
16:17<Deepy>I used 744 on a dir
16:17<Deepy>Why would I get You don't have permission to access / on this server.
16:18<Supaplex>Deepy: see the server error log
16:18<ifvoid>Deepy: use 755
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16:18<s3a>Supaplex, no problem, only large quantity causes problem, i thot my vfs_cache_pressure and swappiness setting makes backround processes slower in favour of faster important apps like clicking on things
16:18<Deepy>Good point
16:19<Deepy>No wait, why 755?
16:19<Supaplex>s3a: sounds like it's trying to process the entire job in one gulp
16:19<ifvoid>Deepy: 1 is voor access rights
16:19<Deepy>read write execute, I only want them to be able to read
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16:19<ifvoid>Deepy: then give them acces rights to the diretor and eread rights to the files
16:19<s3a>Supaplex, is there a way to solve my problem?
16:19<ifvoid>so 755 on the dir, 644 on the files
16:19<s3a>Supaplex, because my hardware seems to be good and should handle this
16:20<Supaplex>s3a: can't you do it one page at a time?
16:20<ifvoid>s3a: you might want to specify which problem you're using
16:20<s3a>Supaplex, lol no, it's toooooo much
16:20<s3a>ifvoid, program*?
16:20<s3a>it's a terminal program
16:20<Supaplex>s3a: too much what? too much work for you? same symptoms either way? ghostscript can split out the pages
16:21<Deepy>Directory "/home/backup/www/www" is writeable by group
16:21<Deepy>no it's not
16:21<ifvoid>Deepy: ls -lad /home/backup/www/www
16:22<s3a>Supaplex, what i want is to tell my computer to somehow always use a low priority with that program so that each time i use it, it doesn't interfere with my other programs
16:22<Deepy>drwxr--r-- 182 deepy deepy 12288 2008-12-20 04:25 /home/backup/www/www
16:22<Supaplex>s3a: ahh. apt-cache show and
16:22<ifvoid>s3a: convert -verbose "taxes.pdf[0]" t.jpg
16:22<s3a>Supaplex, but i dont think it's a cpu prolem but i can try such a thing if possible
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16:23<Supaplex>s3a: it's clearly a "process" problem. imagemagic is performing the task with dismal results.
16:23<ifvoid>s3a: for i in {1..142}; do convert "filename.pdf[$i]" "output.$i.jpg"; done
16:23<ifvoid>or some such
16:24<ifvoid>but either way
16:24<ifvoid>file a bug
16:24<ifvoid>because it is one
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16:24<s3a>ifvoid, what is that going to do? Supaplex, some images that are supposed to be converted into an image are big black rectangles instead too!
16:25<ifvoid>s3a: that's converting the pdf page by page
16:25<ifvoid>instead of all pages at hte same time
16:25<ifvoid>s3a: sounds like your pdf is fucked up
16:25<Supaplex>s3a: does google fair any better? :)
16:25<Deepy>Caused by KeyNotFoundException in Configuration.cpp:234: oO
16:25<s3a>ifvoid, ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo that must be it
16:25<ifvoid>gs is pretty good
16:25<ifvoid>in implementing the pdf standard
16:25<s3a>ifvoid, i was doing convert -units PixelsPerInch -density 150x150 file.pdf file.jpg
16:26<Supaplex>and fixing subtle adobe fux0red things too
16:26<ifvoid>uh yeah, so?
16:26<s3a>ifvoid, so what i was doing tried to convert it all in one big 'gulp' while your method does it one at a time?
16:26<ifvoid>parse error
16:26<s3a>ifvoid, one page at a time that is
16:27<ifvoid>probably the reason si that you don't know shell scirpting
16:27<Supaplex>s3a: see the convert one liner ifvoid just posted? what do you think will happen if you add -density 150x150 to it? do you really want one jpg the size of the whole document?
16:27<ifvoid>he probably doens't want a jpg anyway
16:27<ifvoid>but a pdf
16:27<ifvoid>a png
16:27<Supaplex>granted, -density 150x150 may not have relavance anyway.
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16:27<s3a>ive been doing this since last year and like it at 150x150
16:27<ifvoid>150 is very low resolution
16:28<ifvoid>like, much lower than any printer can print
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16:28<s3a>ifvoid, ya but i convert school pdfs into jpeg for portable devices to study, it's not pictures
16:28<ifvoid>and jpeg introduces all kinds of artifacts (unless your pdf consists of photographs)
16:28<ifvoid>s3a: oh, for screen display 150dpi will be fine
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16:29<s3a>ifvoid, so wait what do i do type differently than 'convert -units PixelsPerInch -density 150x150 file.pdf file.jpg' to make it convert one page at a time instead of all at the same time?
16:30<ifvoid>s3a: what about turning on your brain and actually trying to understand the command I gave you?
16:30<ifvoid>it's not rocket science
16:30<s3a>ifvoid, sorry, which one?
16:30<Supaplex>s3a: /lastlog is your friend.
16:31<ifvoid>22:23 <ifvoid> s3a: for i in {1..142}; do convert "filename.pdf[$i]" "output.$i.jpg"; done
16:32<s3a>ifvoid, so u have multiple quotes because i don't type that all at once?
16:32<ifvoid>please excuse me for my ruseness
16:32<s3a>ifvoid, sorry for being stupid
16:32<ifvoid>(i'v ehad a couple of wines)
16:32<ifvoid>I know how hard these kinds of thinks can eb if you're not used to it
16:33<Deepy>ace, suPHP doesn't work with the new php5-cgi I got
16:33<ifvoid>s3a: what is does, basically, is run the commadn 142 time (that's what the for does)
16:33<ifvoid>s3a: in in each instance, run convert to convert a single page
16:33<s3a>so i replace 142 by the number of pagtes in my pdf?
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16:34<ifvoid>(and this is just pased on some shallow googling for the syntax of convert to convert a single page)
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16:35<Deepy>Why do I get a SecurityException in Application.cpp:440: Handler not found in configuration with newest suPHP and newest php5-cgi?
16:35<Supaplex>because suexec > suphp ?
16:36<s3a>ifvoid, can i pastebin you my attempt?
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16:36<Deepy>Spare the smartass comments, if anything this is a bug
16:36<ifvoid>but pleas don't pm me
16:36<Deepy>And suEXEC does NOT fit in the enviroment I'm using, but suPHP does
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16:37<Supaplex>okay. but what does suphp really do that suexec doesn't?
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16:38<Deepy>The issue is that suexec is being paranoid
16:38<ifvoid>s3a: that's no thte ocmmand I gave you
16:38<ifvoid>s3a: the for is essentia;l
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16:38<ifvoid>that's what runs the convert command X times
16:39<Deepy>Same issue as that
16:39<s3a>ifvoid, isnt that programming language?
16:39<s3a>the for i etc
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16:39<ifvoid>s3a: well, a shell programming language, yes
16:39<ifvoid>but it's ideal for automating things like this
16:39<s3a>s3a, im sooo confused tho :(
16:39<s3a>like what do i type in the terminal window
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16:40<Deepy>Can I undo my latest apt-get upgrade?
16:40<blarson>!tell Deepy about downgrade
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16:42<ifvoid>s3a: just the command I told you
16:42<ifvoid>for i in {1..142}; do convert "filename.pdf[$i]" "output.$i.jpg"; done
16:42<ifvoid>the entire thing
16:42<s3a>ifvoid, "filename.pdf[$i]" "output.$i.jpg"?
16:43<Supaplex>s3a: what are you asking by that?
16:43<ifvoid>s3a: no the entire thing
16:44<Supaplex>I guess he's never seen variable substitution
16:44<ifvoid>includindthe for and the done
16:44<s3a>o so wait i copied the whole thing by putting my filename
16:44<s3a>now its looking like the computer is doing work
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16:44<s3a>but a question i have is: white 142? does that mean it will cut off the last 3 pages of my pdf?
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16:46<ifvoid>s3a: yea, so replace 142 with the number of page sin your pdf
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16:46<ifvoid>jus 'convert "filename.pdf[42]" "output.42.jpg' will only conver page 43 to output.42.pdf
16:46<ifvoid>and the for make ssure that the command is run for each number between 1 and whatever uppe rlimit you put ther
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16:48<s3a>ifvoid, this method is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much faster than the one i was using!
16:48<Supaplex>you can always run the command again, and use individual page numbers to (re)convert where "{1..142}" is in his example. Eg, for i in 143 144 145 ; do for i in {143..145}; do
16:48<Deepy>So no suggestions on suPHP problems?
16:48<s3a>Supaplex, o ok thx i see wat that part does now
16:48<chealer>Lenhix: head -n -10 - <> foo >&0
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16:49<s3a>still a small problem
16:49<s3a>some images in the pdf pages are now black rectangles instead of being what they are supposed to be on the pdf
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16:51<Supaplex>roundtrip it. print it as a postscript file from something you know works (file, print, print to file, save as, ok). then use imagemagic on the .ps file
16:51<Supaplex>failing that, kill a few trees instead of brain cells. ;)
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16:52<Deepy>Supaplex, does appear to be working for you?
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16:53<Supaplex>Deepy: it's not parsed
16:53<Deepy>That's WITH suExec
16:53<Deepy>And suexec is loaded
16:54<Supaplex>I doubt apache is 'handling' your type
16:54<Deepy>Does suexec need mod-php5?
16:54<Supaplex>suexec log will show
16:54<Supaplex>suexec should work for all cgi
16:54<Supaplex>it cannot operate on mod_* stuff
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16:55<Deepy>Where's suexec logs then? in Apache's logs?
16:55<Supaplex>!tell Deepy -about php wants me to download still
16:55<Supaplex>should be. find /var/log -name \*suexec\*
16:56<Deepy>[Mon Dec 22 22:51:23 2008] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec)
16:56<Deepy>[Mon Dec 22 22:51:23 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.5.1 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 configured -- resuming normal operations
16:57<rjent_>How can I tell if bluetooth is working o my notebook
16:57<Deepy>[2008-08-25 20:11:52]: too few arguments
16:57<Deepy> once
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16:58<Deepy>Nothing else :)
16:59<Deepy>And yes, same thing happens with netcat, other browser, other people and so on
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17:01<Deepy>and hilarious Supaplex, my whole webserver is broken :)
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17:03<Supaplex>Deepy: see #9
17:03<paddy>on vmware you have the interfaces vmnet1 and vmnet8, and when you use bridged networking on the host os, then you dont need either of these, where vmnet1 is for host-only and vmnet8 for nat?
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17:03<defcon>are some problem to upgrade etch to lenny?
17:03<paddy>or am i mistaken and vmnet8 is for bridged networking and for nat you dont need vmnet1 nor vmnet8?
17:03<Supaplex>paddy: vmware has its own channel
17:03<paddy>defcon: depends on the setup i guess
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17:04<paddy>Supaplex: with 1 user
17:04<chealer>paddy: too bad
17:04<Supaplex>paddy: try another irc network :)
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17:04<paddy>Supaplex: since i refuse to show love for christel i cant join Freenode anymore
17:05<paddy>so lets just guess for the moment that i know why i am asking here on #debian
17:05<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>.
17:05<Supaplex>let's not
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17:05<paddy>and i am no newbie idiot who installs the first software from source today
17:05<Supaplex>don't they have a manual or something?
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17:05<paddy>Supaplex: shut up if you dont care to help people, PLEASE.
17:05*Supaplex hasn't used vmware since xen is in place
17:06<paddy>good for you
17:06<paddy>since i wont install win98se on xen i am fine with vmware for the moment
17:06<paddy>and i need internet connectivity for the sake of getting drivers
17:07<Supaplex>I think I opted to shut up a few lines ago.
17:07<paddy>Supaplex: and it would be nice and friendly if you set your realname in your chat client so we people know who is talking
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17:07<dondelelcaro>whatever the reasoning, it's still not on topic here, nor are the reasons why you can't use a channel where it is
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17:08<chealer>paddy: please watch your language
17:08<paddy>dondelelcaro: its not topic here to configure vmware properly for a guest os to have a working network connection?
17:08<dondelelcaro>paddy: no
17:08<paddy>dondelelcaro: this is amazing, can you point me to the rules where that is said?
17:08<dondelelcaro>paddy: vmwware isn't in Debian. This is #debian, therefor it's not on topic here.
17:08<Supaplex>paddy: did you miss !vmware ?
17:08<paddy>dondelelcaro: or are you just on another case of 'lets grab paddy anally'
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17:13<Supaplex>odd argument. *shrug* xen supports more nics than vmware does, and can run soley in hvm until a coop driver can be installed (if any).
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17:17<ifvoid>cp: Portishead - Plastic
17:17<ifvoid>dondelelcaro: was that really necesary?
17:17<ifvoid>dondelelcaro: you could have warned him first...
17:18<ifvoid>dondelelcaro: not all irc channels ar eso strict when it comes to swaring and such
17:18<Hydroxide>ifvoid: let's just say there's a history with him.
17:18<Hydroxide>ifvoid: I'd rather not go into details.
17:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 377] by debhelper
17:19<ifvoid>Hydroxide: ah ok
17:19<ifvoid>pplease ignore me then
17:19<ifvoid>I'd never seen him before
17:20<Ganneff>you have. in many mailing lists. under many names.
17:20<Ganneff>anyway. this is OT here.
17:20<dondelelcaro>yeah; if you have questions about why I (or other ops) have done things, /msg is generally the best method
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17:21<ifvoid>dondelelcaro: ok
17:24<streuner_>what the fuck is going on here, only OPs talking? :-)
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17:25<streuner_>oh, paddy...
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17:27<ifvoid>I'm not op
17:27<streuner_>Ganneff: is that the real paddy we are all know?
17:28<streuner_>dondelelcaro might dont know about...
17:29<streuner_>prolly Hydroxide and ifvoid doesnt too...
17:29<ifvoid>I know the mailinglis tguy
17:29<avu>well, tell it to us in -offtopic or something :)
17:29<ifvoid>I just hadn't made the connection
17:30<streuner_>paddy is know troll
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17:42<aetheria>i just discovered the beauty of fdupes -rnfdN :-)
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17:43*dpalacio !!
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17:45<Lenhix>chealer: thanks for the command, I'm gonna test it now
17:45<xi0n>hi all
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17:45<xi0n>im trying to install debian from a usb key
17:46<xi0n>how can i do so?
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17:46<xi0n>i mean, where exactly is the usb image that i shoud copy with dd to my usb stick?
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17:47<gsimmons>!tell xi0n -about usb install
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17:49<aetheria>xi0n: should be info here:
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17:51<karim>I am looking for the name of an application I already used, its related to lvm dmsetup and such, it alowws to mount disk images in loopback
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17:54<defcon>how to upgrade etch to lenny?
17:55<Bushmills>!tell defcon -about etch->lenny
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17:56<defcon>do u suggest me to upgrade?
17:57<Bushmills>i was merely answering your question
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17:58<southafrikanse>hello. I'm having setting openDNS on Debian
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17:59<southafrikanse>I've edited the dhclient.conf file on /etc/dhcp3
17:59<Bushmills>i suppose, 60% of the people here would say "why not", and the remaining 40% "why would you"
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17:59<southafrikanse>however I think it's only configured for my ethernet card and not my wireless card
17:59<southafrikanse>any help?
17:59<karim>I found it, its called multipath-tools
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18:00<junio>streuner_: no
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18:01<southafrikanse>cp /etc/resolve.conf /etc/
18:01<southafrikanse>wrong window
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18:02<southafrikanse>found the problem
18:02<southafrikanse>my bad :)
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18:08<And1>Mh, how can I mount smb-shares?
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18:17<rudenstam>can someone explain to me why my debian stalls for ~30 seconds in bootup, last thing printed is "intel8x0: clocking to 48000"
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18:20<rudenstam>here's a full dmesg:
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18:21<Woet>Once a process on my server started acting weird and the load shot up above 40, SSH refused to respond
18:21<Woet>is there any way to prevent this?
18:21<Woet>by giving SSH priority for examplke
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18:25<And1>What's /etc/motd.tail for?
18:26<gsimmons>And1: man motd.tail
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18:27<And1>So, I should edit motd.tail instead of motd?
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18:29<And1>But motd.tail is not displayed after the line in motd.
18:30<And1>Also, I think, my issue and are not displayed.
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18:32<Supaplex>~lart iceweasel's CRAPTASTIC printing
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19:12<aetheria>the only issue with fdupes is that it is insanely slow
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19:13<aetheria>wish there were an equivalent that used librsync's more efficient comparison engine
19:14<aetheria>i think fdupes is ignoring the actual file names and actually compares them all, regardless of name
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19:15<aetheria>why else would it take so extremely long?
19:17<aetheria>i wonder if its so retarded that it actually goes through and computes md5sums for every single file initially, then does comparison?
19:17<aetheria>regardless of whether or not other files with identical sizes & names exist
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19:20<aetheria>so its going to run md5sums agains 3GB files even when no other files of the exact size & name exist?
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19:22<thiago>a nedd help for unlock my bios
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19:25<aetheria>for your new 5-finger special laptop?
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19:45<lkjh>how do I compile a 2.4 kernel?
19:46<lkjh>not what?
19:46<ifvoid>why would you want to compile a 2.4 kernel?
19:46<stew>lkjh: what version of debian are you running?
19:47<lkjh>ifvoid: to boot from floppy
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19:47<lkjh>ifvoid: so I could build a embedded system with uclibc.
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19:49<stew>lkjh: ask #emdebian if you want to run emdebian
19:49<stew>lkjh: are you going to run debian on this embedded system?
19:50<lkjh>stew: I want to build my own system.
19:50<stew>lkjh: sounds like your question has nothing to do with debian, you should look for the "kernel HOWTO"
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19:55<Noboory>tok tok me lisisng
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21:19<KiDFlaSh>what can i do if blacklist dont work?
21:19<KiDFlaSh>blacklisting modules
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21:22<abrotman>which module? /msg dpkg blacklist, /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs
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21:27<KiDFlaSh>abrotman, has it to be a blacklist.local or does blacklist work too?
21:27<abrotman>whatever it says
21:28<KiDFlaSh>it says, have to be blacklist.local
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21:32<KiDFlaSh>abrotman, giu@noname:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure 2.6.26-1-686
21:32<KiDFlaSh>Package `2.6.26-1-686' is not installed and no info is available.
21:32<KiDFlaSh>Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
21:32<KiDFlaSh>and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
21:32<KiDFlaSh>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: 2.6.26-1-686 is not installed
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21:34<abrotman>you didn't read the factoid very carefully
21:35<KiDFlaSh>i saw it
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21:38<KiDFlaSh>now it works
21:38<blast_hardcheese>I got Grub working!
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22:17<blast_hardcheese>I'm thinking of trying out 2.4, It doesn't look like there's a version for my processor
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22:19<abrotman>2.4 of *what*?
22:19<blast_hardcheese>The linux kernel, sorry
22:19<abrotman>there isn't a 2.4 in etch or lenny
22:19<blast_hardcheese>I'm currently running 2.2.19 under Woody
22:20<abrotman>so what's your CPU?
22:20<blast_hardcheese>33mhz 486 SX
22:20<abrotman>so use the -386
22:20<abrotman>oh .. that probably requires a co-processor ...
22:20<abrotman>but that'd be the one for you
22:21<blast_hardcheese>Awesome, thanks
22:21<blast_hardcheese>I was expecting a -486, didn't know if -386 would take advantage of my CPU correctly
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22:21<Ouroboros>blast_hardcheese: running a museum?
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22:22<blast_hardcheese>Ouroboros: Kinda, I like old hardware. More importantly I like really freaking cool hardware, and this thing definitely is.
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22:24<blast_hardcheese>Ouroboros, This is a picture of the model of machine a friend sent me:
22:24<blast_hardcheese>It fits very nicely in my jacket pocket
22:24<Ouroboros>ah that is cool
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22:24<blast_hardcheese>It also eats standard Sony camcorder batteries
22:24<abrotman>a 486 SX is not *cool*
22:25<abrotman>blast_hardcheese: you know .. they make newer models like that
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22:25<blast_hardcheese>abrotman: Yeah, I'd have preferred a DX, but this was originally for DOS/Win3.1/proprietary software that ran entirely off 4mb of disk space and 4 megs of ram
22:26<blast_hardcheese>Yeah, I've seen the UMPCs, I prefer this
22:26<blast_hardcheese>I'm also going to try to get some form of Linux/Unix running on my Macintosh SE/30
22:27<abrotman>uhm .. no .. they still make laptops that size
22:27<abrotman>not a netbook
22:27<blast_hardcheese>I've used one of these:
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22:28<abrotman>they still sell that i believe ..
22:28<blast_hardcheese>Ah yes, the Librettos
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22:29<abrotman>at least i think that's the itty one i've seen
22:29<blast_hardcheese>This one is still itty-er
22:30<blast_hardcheese>I think this screen is only a centimeter longer than a 20
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23:21<henkmetselaar>Hello. hald-addon-stor caused me to reboot my system (load average was 22). can that be because I took out an audio cd while sound juicer was still playing it? should that happen?
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23:31*TwistOfFate shakes his magic 8ball
23:31<TwistOfFate>henkmetselaar, the ball says yes.
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23:31<henkmetselaar>thanks TwistOfFate
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