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00:20<twb>When using Debian over a faux serial line (in qemu), I get this kernel message whenever I use a GUI program like less or aptitude:
00:20<twb>[ 138.052984] serial8250: too much work for irq4
00:20<twb>How do I stop it? It messes up the screen and I have to type ^L, which just causes the kernel message to be printed again
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00:54<aetheria>twb: why not just ssh in to your VM?
00:54<twb>aetheria: because ICBF installing ssh and allowing port 22 through
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00:55<aetheria>icbf?
00:55<twb>aetheria: also, obviously that does not work until I anna-install ssh, and I spend a lot of time in debian-install
00:55<twb>I Can't Be Fucked
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00:57<alephnull>Cast iron underpants ?
00:57<dondelelcaro>twb: echo '0 0 0 0' > /proc/sys/printk; or similar
00:57<twb>dondelelcaro: well, that would block everything
00:57<dondelelcaro>twb: yerp; feel free to man proc; and set it to something else
00:57<twb>I guess so
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01:24<blast_hardcheese>Hmm
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01:46<Roger>anyone in here use lampp
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01:52<enouf>twb: redirect output to another tty? like set it up for tty12 or something? create a getty in /etc/inittab? then edit sysctl.conf?
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01:58<Franki>hi everyone. I need to split some mpeg4 videos into its stream. What kind of program should I take? preferably some console tool.
01:58<henkmetselaar>ffmpeg?
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02:00<alephnull>mencoder ?
02:00<enouf>henkmetselaar: dmesg | grep ATAPI and just show me the line with the make/model of your CD/DVD drive
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02:08<henkmetselaar>ATAPI 40X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive , 2048kB Cache
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02:09<Franki>alephnull: in the description of mencoder on debian-multimedia.org, it reads that it is capable to encode, crosscode videos and copy streams, does that also mean that it can extract single streams?
02:10<Franki>alephnull: I'm also wondering whether all of the listed dependencies are really required, or whether it's just required if one wants to use its specific a/v format?
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02:11<alephnull>Franki: If you just want to extract audio and video streams, you can do it with mplayer.
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02:14<alephnull>Franki: To reduce the dependencies, you'll have to build the package yourself.
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02:17<FTPeed>morning all, when building your own package is there a way to check whether the configure parametres you enter into the rules file are applied to the build ?
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02:19<Franki>alephnull: thanks, the last thing is clear, but I'm just wondering why on earth a movie encoder needs to depend on an IRC-client library "liblircclient0"? That's completely BAD
02:20<gsimmons>Franki: No, that's LIRC. /msg dpkg lirc
02:21<Franki>gsimmons: sorry, my fault xD
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02:26<Franki>alephnull: I want a binary stream split, not an audio dump
02:29<alephnull>I don't understand what you mean.
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02:32<enouf>henkmetselaar: heh, not really helpful info - mine mentiond make/model , but yours isn't a model i'm thinking of
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02:32<alephnull>Are you referring to the way there are multiple streams in a vob file (audio, video, subtitles, etc.) ? I think ffmpeg is easier to use for that.
02:32<Franki>alephnull: A digital video are interleaved audio, video, time index, subtitle etc... streams contained in a container, and I want to split the container into its streams.
02:33<enouf>henkmetselaar: for ex; [ 9.812200] hda: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
02:33<enouf>and hdb: LITE-ON LTR-32123S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
02:34<henkmetselaar>as far as I kniow, mine is a generic no-name, enouf
02:34<henkmetselaar>know*
02:34<enouf>Franki: avidemux? or maybe just a demux'er?
02:35<enouf>henkmetselaar: that's ok - if you care as to where i was going, see file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi
02:37<henkmetselaar>enouf: what does it disable exactly? caching of the CD contents on the HD?
02:37<enouf>henkmetselaar: no
02:37<enouf>please read the bug report it refers to if you care
02:37<henkmetselaar>enouf: and: where do I find those .fdi. ok
02:38<enouf>henkmetselaar: but i said, it's not your issue AFAICT
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02:38<henkmetselaar>enouf: I noticed also that the replay of the CD was unreasonably slow. Dropped signal every 10 seconds or so.
02:40<enouf>henkmetselaar: replay? dropped signal? ensure DMA is enabled/working
02:40<enouf>hdparm -i /dev/name | grep dma
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02:40<henkmetselaar>enouf: I thought my machine was simply getting too ols and slow, but prviously it worked under win2000
02:42<Franki>enouf: thanks. Yes, I'm looking for something like mpegdemux , but it should work for the mp4 container
02:42<henkmetselaar>enouf: hdparm: command not found
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02:42<enouf>!tell henkmetselaar -about install it
02:42<enouf>henkmetselaar: run it with root privs
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02:43<henkmetselaar>I did,hang on let me install it first then
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02:44<henkmetselaar>enouf: DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
02:44<henkmetselaar> UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
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02:45<enouf>welp that's ok/correct for a p2 system
02:46<henkmetselaar>enouf: I guess the slowness was caused by my epiphany, if there's flash it seems to grab \snd
02:47<henkmetselaar>enouf: only I don't understand why it had to have average load 22 later on. nvm, I guess lenny will solve it
02:48<enouf>yeah, big bloated browsers and flashcrapoopshit are the bane of decent older hardware .. cause users and website devs suck ass,
02:48<Franki>enouf: agreed.
02:48<amphi>enouf: you wax lyrical ;)
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02:49<enouf>henkmetselaar: lenny is fine for a desktop system - look at midori in sid, once lenny is up and running
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02:49*enouf croons :-)
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02:49<henkmetselaar>I know we're not supposed to ask, but is there a place with success/horror stories about upgrading to lenny early?
02:49<amphi>enouf: the Song of the Volga Bloatmen no doubt? ;)
02:50<enouf>henkmetselaar: /msg dpkg lenny release notes
02:50<henkmetselaar>next week our students will be back and hogging the i-net. I don't fancy time-outs while upgrading
02:50<craigevil>upgrading to lenny should be pretty painless
02:50<Franki>enouf: what about my "question" from like 8 minutes back?
02:50<henkmetselaar>thanks craigevil
02:51<craigevil>the forums.debian.net doesnt have many people with issues
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02:51<enouf>Franki: about? all that i know is what's been mentioned - seek out those relevant channels (try freenode.net as well) like #mplayer, #ffmpeg, etc
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02:52<amphi>Franki: can't you use mplayer -dumpaudio/-dumpvideo ? or do I misunderstand
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02:54<enouf>amphi: heh ... maybe i'll do an encore; Cries of the Mariannette Puppeteers while being hurled into Oblivion :-P
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02:56<enouf>haha "When Nessy finally realizes what a Framework is" O_o
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03:07<morgan`>hello
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03:09<Supaplex>hi
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03:18<enouf>!ig *!*@195.114.177.150
03:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 351] by debhelper
03:19<ant_>enouf, will that set a ban?
03:19<enouf>ant_: no, it was a typo :-P
03:19<ant_>was just thinking that its a shame theres no ops around
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03:19<enouf>i meant to do
03:19<enouf> /ig *!*@195.114.177.150
03:19<enouf>has someone used !ops yet?
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03:20<weasel>that won't be necessary.
03:20-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
03:20<enouf>righto
03:21<FTPeed>does anyone know howto get source packages from backports.org ? I.E. what's the sources.list param?
03:22<superjet_busy>!tell FTPeed -about backports
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03:23<FTPeed>superjet_busy: thanks but I'm afraid I didn't understand that
03:23<Supaplex>superjet_busy: mmm do you know the difference from a package repo and a source repo entry?
03:24<Supaplex>his question was specific to the latter
03:24<superjet_busy>Supaplex: of course
03:26<Supaplex>FTPeed: I would assume bpo follows the same pattern as typical deb repos. try deb-src entrys after you man sources.list
03:27<FTPeed>Supaplex: I tried adding deb-src to my backports.org entry, unfortunately I get the error "2 No such file or directory"
03:28<Supaplex>intreeging.
03:29<FTPeed>yep
03:29<superjet_busy>FTPeed: can you find foo.dsc and foo.orig.tar.gz in their site?
03:29<FTPeed>will try
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03:30<superjet_busy>FTPeed: if sure, then it's your fault on setting
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03:30<superjet_busy>FTPeed: apt-cache show foo | grep pool to get its position
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03:32<FTPeed>superjet_busy: very possible, that's why I asked :) you apt-cache cmd gives me the same error as above, my sources.list entry "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free deb-src"
03:33<craigevil>replace the deb at the beguinning with deb-src and get rid of the deb-src on the end
03:33<craigevil>like deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
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03:34<FTPeed>craigevil: thanks very much that's sorted it :-D
03:34<k-man>i have this problem, when i boot, it says volume vg not found, waiting for root fs, however i can boot from a rescue cd and mount the root partition and chroot to it no problem
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03:34<k-man>coult it be that initramfs is set up incorrectly or something?
03:35<superjet_busy>it seems like this
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03:49<amphi>!ops debhelper1 spamming
03:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: amphi complains about: debhelper1 spamming
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03:51<Franki>!ops Cope spamming
03:51<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: franki complains about: Cope spamming
03:51<weasel>Franki: please.
03:51<weasel>if you hilight all the ops at least get it right
03:52<Franki>what higlight?
03:52<weasel>don't use '!ops! then. you clearly don't know what it does.
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03:53<craigevil>actually Cope was spamming then im pretty sure he rejoined as debhelper1
03:53<weasel>and it was already taken care of by the time Franki woke up
03:53<weasel>for over a minute too
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03:53<debhelper1>hello all :D
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03:53<Franki>weasel: you're right.
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03:55<Franki>weasel: It was not myself who highlited the op-call message, it seems my client has some funky auto-highlighting I was not aware of
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03:56<weasel>Franki: you said "!ops <something>". that wasn't your client, that was you.
03:56<weasel>anyway, doesn't matter anymore
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03:57<Supaplex></drama>
03:57<Franki>wesel: yes, of course that was me, but I mean the color highlighting you were talking about. Or do we talk at cross-purposes?
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04:01<debhelper1>lmao noobs
04:01<debhelper1>FUCKERS
04:01<debhelper1>NEVER STOP ME
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04:02<superjet_busy>why not ban
04:03<Supaplex>dpkg: ping
04:03<dpkg>pong
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04:08<peppe>ciao
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04:09<superjet_busy>!ban
04:09<dpkg>ban is, like, a way of getting rid of annoying pests, especially trolls
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04:11<peppe> /server irc.darksin.net
04:12<Lakin>why? ^^^
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04:13<peppe_>ciao
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04:17<debhelper1>lol
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04:33<peppe>\ server irc.darksin.net
04:33<peppe>\server irc.darksin.net
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04:42<r1pp3rj4ck>hi... i need a little help... i've got a debian etch on the /dev/hda1 (ext3), but on the /dev/hda5 (ntfs) are my old files from the winxp. i don't need them anymore, so i want to merge it to the /dev/hda1. is it possible? is the parted the most appropriate tool to do it?
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04:43<sep>yes, and yes, make sure you have backups. and if you had used lvm when installing, you would save yourself a world of hassle. so perhaps you should atleast consider lvm now when you have the chance
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04:44*weasel still thinks / on lvm is a bad idea
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04:44<twb>weasel: not so bad as /boot
04:45<r1pp3rj4ck>there is hda1 and hda5 on the hda device, i have also an hdc, there is the swap (/dev/hdc6)
04:45<r1pp3rj4ck>i have backups on my another pc
04:45<OdyX>/boot on ext3 and / in lvm over crypted is fine: no problem so far…
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04:46<r1pp3rj4ck>well, i actually don't know that there is lvm or not :$
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04:48<r1pp3rj4ck>so how can i merge them? i guess it's a noob question, but i was an ubuntu user, and i've never done anything like this...
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04:50<OdyX>r1pp3rj4ck: merging real partitions is feasible, but risky as far as I know...
04:51<twb>Hmm, qemu: warning: could not load VGA bios '/usr/share/qemu/video.x'
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04:52<twb>Oops, wrong channel.
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04:53<r1pp3rj4ck>OdyX: i've just realised that those are logical partitions, those are on the same HDD, sorry, I'm tired
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04:53<amphi>twb: you have the vgabios package installed?
04:53<OdyX>r1pp3rj4ck: OK. Being on the same HDD is better for merging anyway…
04:54<r1pp3rj4ck>OdyX: ok, thanks, and how can i do it?
04:54<OdyX>r1pp3rj4ck: well, I don't know, I'll google it for you, wait…
04:55<r1pp3rj4ck>ok, thanks
04:55<twb>amphi: yep
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04:58<OdyX>r1pp3rj4ck: hmmm...
04:58<OdyX>I would format /dev/hda5 in ext3 and use it unmerged for something (Music, video, whatever)...
04:58<r1pp3rj4ck>OdyX: hm... it's a good idea... how can i format it in parted?
04:59<OdyX>#mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda5
04:59<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: one of hda{2,3,4} is an Ext;d partition
04:59<r1pp3rj4ck>OdyX: ok, thank you
05:00<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: there's no other partition on the hda, just the hda1 and hda5
05:00<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: if hda2 is and hda3 and hda4 are not populated - i'd wipe out hda2,5,6
05:00<OdyX>r1pp3rj4ck: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_mono/parted.html#SEC25
05:00<enouf>and repartition and make all Primary
05:00<OdyX>enouf: you'r right…
05:00<r1pp3rj4ck>oops there's a hda2 but i have no idea what it is
05:01<r1pp3rj4ck>i have to go now, be back in 30 mins
05:01<enouf>just remember to leave a little for swap, so all space from hda5 will be hda2 as a Primary, and create hda3 as swap
05:01<enouf>Primary as well
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05:04<enouf>then just run your fav mkfs.<FSType> [options] /dev/hdaX on each - well mkswap for hda3
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05:06<ZathraZ>Hi. on kernel 2.6.18-6 (Etch) when I load ivtv framebuffer (at least I think it happens at this moment) I seem to have no longer output to my monitor but untill the X display is ready to send itś output to TV-out
05:07<ZathraZ>how can I fix this to have output to both please
05:07<enouf>Oh r1pp3rj4ck .. sorry, i misread - you said swap was on another separate HDD (hdc) .. you can forget all i said about swap then and leave hdc alone
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05:07<bonaventura>gf
05:07<bonaventura>o
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05:09<enouf>so, wipe hda2 and 5 and recreate hda2 as a Primary .... or ... once deleted, extend hda1 to take the rest of disk, then resize2fs on it, and fsck it - you did say you have backups?
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05:09<enouf>resize2fs for ext2/3 that is
05:10<schlurchz>Does someone know if flashplugin-nonfree from backports.org is actively maintainted and getting security updates? I've seen a couple of advisories from Adobe, but no updates at backports.org. Makes me nervous.
05:10<enouf>!adobe flash
05:10<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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05:11<schlurchz>enouf: I know that.
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05:14<aetheria>i just got the beta 64-bit flash plugin and put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
05:16<schlurchz>wiki.debian.org suggests using backports.org for adobe flash. I have the impression that the package at backports.org is bitrotting and the wiki lets people run into security problems. Nobody cares?
05:16<schlurchz>come on
05:17<aetheria>i just told you what i do
05:17<weasel>schlurchz: then fix the wiki
05:17<schlurchz>you you're basically saying "I don't trust backports.org and suggest you do not either"
05:17<schlurchz>@aetheria
05:18<aetheria>that's another issue. i don't have enough info about policies with backports.org to make that determination.
05:18<schlurchz>aetheria: well Bart Martens planned to support that package, but there are not updates. period.
05:19<aetheria>so just download it from adobe
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05:19<aetheria>my god, its only one tiny file
05:20<schlurchz>weasel: I read that as: yes, the wiki is wrong, and all stable users are on their own without any supported packages, be it official or not. Right?
05:20<weasel>schlurchz: backports.org isn't official.
05:20<weasel>and non-free isn't part of debian
05:20<schlurchz>aetheria: it's a tiny file I have to make my own security support, if any
05:20<weasel>so you are twice on your own
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05:20<aetheria>!tell schlurchz about simple sid backport
05:20<schlurchz>weasel: "be it official or not"
05:21<weasel>it's not.
05:22<aetheria>flashplugin-nonfree is the one you want to build
05:22<schlurchz>I see it as a secondary issue if support is official or not. It's just a matter of trust. :-)
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05:23<schlurchz>aetheria: do backporting procedures apply to this all-binary package?
05:23<aetheria>!+info flashplayer-nonfree
05:23<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
05:23<schlurchz>oh, I guess it just downloads it from adobe
05:23<aetheria>yes
05:24<schlurchz>ok
05:24<aetheria>!info flashplayer-nonfree
05:24<dpkg>Package 'flashplayer-nonfree' does not exist.
05:24<aetheria>it does
05:24<weasel>not in debian
05:24<schlurchz>*sigh*
05:24<aetheria>it does
05:24<weasel>non-free is not part of debian.
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05:25<weasel>(neither is contrib)
05:25<aetheria>if i could remember how to spell it!
05:25<aetheria>!info flashplugin-nonfree
05:25<dpkg>flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1:2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 44 kB
05:25<aetheria>"This package will download the Flash Player from Adobe. "
05:25<aetheria>"ARNING: Installing this Debian package causes the Adobe Flash Player to be downloaded from www.adobe.com."
05:26<schlurchz>okay okay, got it :-)
05:26<aetheria>are you on a 64-bit platform?
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05:26<schlurchz>no, all standard boxen here
05:27<snogglethorpe>schlurchz: downloading from adobe, and sticking it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ also works fairly well
05:27<aetheria>ok then i recommend that. for 64 i recommend just pulling the new beta from adobe
05:27<snogglethorpe>actually didn't debian recently update to that for amd64?
05:27<snogglethorpe>i seem to recall seeing such udpate messgs
05:27<aetheria>not sure if it did
05:27<snogglethorpe>but haven't tested it yet
05:28<aetheria>is there some way to display a changelog with apt-cache or other tool?
05:29<schlurchz>If the package at backports.org is not maintained, it should go away. I am amazed that there is no indication anywhere that it's a bad idea to follow the instructions at wiki.debian.org.
05:29<craigevil>apt-listchanges
05:30<aetheria>i really with part of every package's meta info was a field on when it was last updated
05:30<aetheria>s/with/wish/
05:31<aetheria>so then you could say - only install packages which have been updated within the last X months
05:32<aetheria>or "if it hasn't been updated with X months, prompt me to install it"
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05:35<schlurchz>http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer is "protected". I guess I need a account there?
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05:40<sep>schlurchz, yes you do. you just need to register there
05:40<christoph>schlurchz, as far as I remember you need an account to edit anything there
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05:40<schlurchz>yeah, just found out
05:41<schlurchz>a regression from debbugs :-/
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05:43<schlurchz>Okay, I'll fix the wiki one day after I've found time to read the corresponding legal blurb the wiki points me to. Or let it just rot, not sure about that. :-(
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05:51<r1pp3rj4ck>I'm back
05:52<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: so how can I make what you suggested?
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05:55<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: any partition editor should do ok - and e2fsprogs has resize2fs
05:57<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: you said parted? man parted ; see the rm and resize partition start end options
05:58<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: so first # parted rm /dev/hda5
05:58<r1pp3rj4ck>right?
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05:59<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: yep
06:00<r1pp3rj4ck>Error: Could not stat device rm - No such file or directory.
06:00<enouf>well, you might want interactive mode - also note, man resize2fs .. says you can blow away hda1 and recreate it to much larger size using fdisk even
06:00<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: read
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06:01<enouf>parted /dev/hda .. then h for help
06:02<enouf> rm NUMBER delete partition NUMBER
06:02<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: so can i remove the hda1 partition and recreate it even if on the hda1 is the debian?
06:02<schlurchz>flashplugin-nonfree can't easily be backported, it has unfulfillable dependencies.
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06:03<enouf>well .. heh, r1pp3rj4ck i'd be leary of that - atleast i'd boot to a livecd to do it that way
06:03<schlurchz>back to bare tar.gz
06:03<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: since the partition table writes won't be written till a reboot, and then you'll have none, since you've deleted the only working one :-)
06:04<enouf>well .. not 100% accurate about when the writes occur, but you get the idea
06:04<r1pp3rj4ck>hm...
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06:05<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: use parted - then use resize2fs if needed
06:05<r1pp3rj4ck> 1 32.3kB 21.0GB 21.0GB primary ext3 boot
06:05<r1pp3rj4ck> 2 21.0GB 160GB 139GB extended lba
06:06<r1pp3rj4ck>so... how can i resize it?
06:06<enouf>haha
06:06<enouf>you have LVM
06:06<r1pp3rj4ck>"resize 1 32.3kB 160GB
06:06<r1pp3rj4ck>?
06:06<enouf>NO
06:07<enouf>sorry !
06:07<enouf>i misread - dang i
06:07<enouf>tired
06:07<r1pp3rj4ck>ok :D
06:07<r1pp3rj4ck>so?
06:07<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: so you rm 5? now rm 2
06:08<r1pp3rj4ck>ok
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06:08<r1pp3rj4ck>now there's just the 1
06:08<r1pp3rj4ck>Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
06:08<r1pp3rj4ck> 1 32.3kB 21.0GB 21.0GB primary ext3 boot
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06:09<enouf>then use "resize 1 32.3k 180G" or something like so
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06:09<r1pp3rj4ck>ok
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06:09<enouf>there's likely a default option to pass to say "rest of disk" or
06:10<r1pp3rj4ck>hm...
06:10<r1pp3rj4ck>Error: Partition /dev/hda1 is being used. You must unmount it before you modify
06:10<r1pp3rj4ck>it with Parted.
06:10<enouf>"end of disk"
06:10<enouf>oh
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06:10<enouf>well .. atleast now you're down to hda1 only ;-)
06:11<r1pp3rj4ck>LOL
06:11<r1pp3rj4ck>that's right :D
06:11<enouf>could grab gparted livecd and do it 99MB only
06:11<r1pp3rj4ck>hm.. ok
06:11<r1pp3rj4ck>where can i get from?
06:11<enouf>gparted.sf.net
06:11<r1pp3rj4ck>thanks
06:12<enouf>it's got a nice GUI for you too :-P
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06:12<r1pp3rj4ck>oh no problem, i can handle it :D
06:12<FTPeed>hey all, got a wierd issue here, I've created a custom deb and deployed it into my repo, when doing an apt-cache policy it shows my new version as a candidate and the correct pinned package but "aptitude upgrade" says the package will not be upgraded and is being held back
06:12<r1pp3rj4ck>i just used linux too long ago... :D
06:13<FTPeed>if I do an aptiude install <package name> -s it offers to upgrade
06:13<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: getting the hang again ;-)
06:13<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: hehh yea :)
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06:16<r1pp3rj4ck>FTPeed: that's weird...
06:16<FTPeed>yep :)
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06:18<ripperjack>i'm back... :D
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06:18<ripperjack>but my nick stayed here...
06:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 364] by debhelper
06:19<FTPeed>ah I think it's due to dependant packages (proftpd-mysql in lenny/backports finally is a 'proper' module)
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06:20<munga>hello. what is the set of all packages installed as a base system ? essential ... then ? I remember you can use apt-get (?) with the ~p syntax to retrive the list ...
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06:24<ripperjack>oh i'll have to stand up :D
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06:25<ripperjack>hm...
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06:25<r1pp3rj4ck>480s :D
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06:33<r1pp3rj4ck>wow, gparted uses X
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06:36<enouf>munga: tasksel
06:36<munga>yep ~pimportant ~prequired ... and essential = yes
06:36<munga>thanks !
06:36<enouf>munga: i use ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'standard|important|required' | less
06:36<munga>standard ?
06:37<munga>the policy (3.7) says only required and important ...
06:37<enouf>munga: well - that's output of tasksel --task-packages standard
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06:37<enouf>ok, so omit the standard
06:38<munga>ok, thanks again !
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06:39<schlurchz>snogglethorpe, aetheria: are you running etch?
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06:39<enouf>~$ pi "dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \n' | egrep -i 'important|required'"
06:39<enouf>Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1292182
06:40<enouf>note; i'm on a real funky mix of old (etch-ish) and newer(sid)
06:41<pippo>prova ...
06:41<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... done
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06:41<enouf>haha .. i love when i forget the `` or $()
06:42<enouf>http://pastebin.ca/raw/1292186
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06:45<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: thank you, you helped me a lot!
06:45<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: np ;-)
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06:46<Rinion>Salve
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06:46<Rinion>a tutti
06:47<mgoetze>!it
06:47<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:47<Rinion>#debian-it
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06:47<r1pp3rj4ck>hm...
06:47<r1pp3rj4ck>!hu
06:48<dpkg>hu is, like, Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
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06:48<r1pp3rj4ck>hehh :D
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06:57<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... can i change the iocharset if i mount an smbfs? because tried with -o iocharset=utf8 but it doesn't work
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07:00<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: well, there's also the codepage= option, but vfat doesn't like utf-8 much
07:00<r1pp3rj4ck>it's in ntfs
07:01<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: then try cifs, instead of smbfs
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07:02<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... ok, i will
07:02<r1pp3rj4ck>just the network crashed or wtf...
07:03<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: and showing exact errors helps - /msg dpkg doesn't work :-)
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07:03<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... i've just checked the DHCP table... and the PC's name is Unknown...
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07:06<r1pp3rj4ck>i've tried: "smbshare //jackson/server-files /media/smb -o iocharset=utf8"
07:06<r1pp3rj4ck>and iocharset=iso8859-2
07:06<r1pp3rj4ck>but the hungarian characters aren't good both ways...
07:07<Silensius>for turkish i have the sama problem
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07:08<TheKnight1981>hallo everybody
07:09<TheKnight1981>if i download some packages with apt-get install,i see the usual download speed (780-860 kB/s) but if i surf on the web suddenly today my asus eee pc 1000H is really slow
07:09<r1pp3rj4ck>TheKnight1981: try the speedtest.net
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07:14<r1pp3rj4ck>if i try with the codepage=<arg>, it's not the same but it's wrong too...
07:14<r1pp3rj4ck>i tried with utf8, iso8859-2 and cp1250
07:15<TheKnight1981>rlpp3rj4ck i tried speedtest
07:15<TheKnight1981>which result are you interested to?
07:15<r1pp3rj4ck>TheKnight1981: both
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07:20<TheKnight1981>ok download 6136 kbps, upload 402 kbps
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07:22<r1pp3rj4ck>well, that's ok
07:22<r1pp3rj4ck>and what's slow exactly?
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07:23<TheKnight1981>pages lookup
07:23<TheKnight1981>if i download anything all works good
07:23<r1pp3rj4ck>hm....
07:23<TheKnight1981>if i surf it's really slow
07:23<r1pp3rj4ck>flvs?
07:23<r1pp3rj4ck>e.g. youtube
07:24<TheKnight1981>but the other pc connected to the router through cables works perfectly, so it's a problem of my own laptop
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07:24<TheKnight1981>all pages
07:27<r1pp3rj4ck>what browser do you use?
07:28<TheKnight1981>iceweasel
07:28<enouf>!tell TheKnight1981 -about resolv.conf
07:28<enouf>maybe your DNS setup is shit
07:28<r1pp3rj4ck>TheKnight1981: try the mozilla firefox or something else
07:29<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: if it's the dns setup is shit the downloads would be slow too, aren't they?
07:29<enouf>it's better to try a lightweight browser such as w3m, links2, lynx ..
07:29<r1pp3rj4ck>true
07:30<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: not if the debian mirrors resolve properly - although now i see he said all direct d/l .. so, then a browser setting likely
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07:31<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: that's why i think his browser makes the shit...
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07:31<Vanscot>Hi, morning...
07:33<Vanscot>omg, bad idea to do a /list... u.u
07:33<Vanscot>Anybody alive?
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07:34<Vanscot>I was wondering if I could ask something here..
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07:35<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... that was weird
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07:39<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... i'm copying 6GB with smb... :D
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07:44<kapil>!tell Vanscot about ask
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07:46<kapil>r1pp3rj4ck: and they said that the only stupid question is the one that was never asked. ;)
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07:50<r1pp3rj4ck>kapil: :D
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08:18<daemon>hey guys, im having trouble with mbmon
08:18<daemon>mbmob
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08:18<daemon>http://pastebin.com/d1e7462bf
08:18<daemon>do I need to modprobe anything
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08:20<snogglethorpe>schlurchz: lenny
08:21<snogglethorpe>oh wait, sid
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08:25<bremner>is there a decent jingle (google talk) client in debian (lenny? sid?)
08:26<snogglethorpe>jingle? won't any jabber client work? [I use bitlbee]
08:26<bremner>snogglethorpe: err, sorry. Jingle=voip
08:26<snogglethorpe>ah
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08:36<mgoetze>hm there seem to be some libjingle* packages in lenny but the only thing depending on them is gstreamer0.10-plugins-farsight
08:36<mgoetze>and i don't think that's an im program
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08:44<bremner>mgoetze: apt-cache show libjinglexmpp0.3-0 suggests it is at least the right library
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08:51<mgoetze>bremner: hm, it's maintained by "debian telepathy maintainers", maybe empathy is the app you're looking for, dunno
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08:53<r1pp3rj4ck>my net wants me to kill myself...
08:53<bremner>mgoetze: I'll check it out.
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08:53<sep>r1pp3rj4ck, change isp....
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08:56<Guest908>just did a clean install of lenny...how do I get flash and java to work ?
08:57<enouf>Guest908: do /msg dpkg java, and /msg dpkg flash
08:57<r1pp3rj4ck>sep: at 2009 spring will end the contraction :D
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08:57<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: at the lenny release party? :-P
08:58<tzafrir_laptop>snogglethorpe, emphathy should support Jingle. Never actually tried it.
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08:59<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: when will be the lenny released? :D
08:59<OdyX>!lenny
08:59<dpkg>from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
08:59<Lenhix>Hi guys. How can I change the priority/nice of a process via command line? (without using htop or sth like that)
08:59<tzafrir_laptop>renice
09:00<OdyX>!tell r1pp3rj4ck about wwlr
09:01<r1pp3rj4ck>OdyX: thanks :D
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09:01<snogglethorpe>tzafrir_laptop: hmm interesting
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09:03<Lenhix>thx tzafrir_laptop
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09:07<mahogny>making a package
09:07<mahogny>dh_gencontrol
09:07<mahogny>dpkg-gencontrol: error: must specify package since control info has many ()
09:07<mahogny>common error?
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09:09<schlurchz>snogglethorpe: because the flash plugin from adobe (tar.gz) seems to depend on libraries that are not in Etch. Oh well. I'm off
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09:14<enouf>mahogny: look at debian/control ?
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09:17<pshlos>hello. i'm new to debian and am trying to add a repository ine /etc/apt/sources.list What i'm trying to add is: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
09:18<OdyX>pshlos: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list with appropriate permissions
09:18<pshlos>what am i doing wrong? when i run aptitude or synaptic i get a warning about not being able to stat sources
09:18<OdyX>pshlos: do you have a file /etc/apt/sources.list ?
09:18<pshlos>yes
09:19<pshlos>i did what in this site is mentioned but no luck
09:20<Lenhix>what are the permissions of the file¿?
09:20<pshlos>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root
09:20<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... guys I copied everything from /dev/hdc1 and /dev/hdc5 to the /dev/hda1, so I want to format them and merge to /dev/hdc1, but there's a linux-swap lvm, which is on /dev/hdc6...
09:20<Lenhix>are you running apt-get as root/with sudo?
09:20<r1pp3rj4ck>Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
09:20<r1pp3rj4ck> 1 32.3kB 12.0GB 12.0GB primary ext3 boot
09:20<r1pp3rj4ck> 2 12.0GB 60.0GB 48.0GB extended
09:20<r1pp3rj4ck> 5 12.0GB 59.5GB 47.5GB logical fat32
09:20<r1pp3rj4ck> 6 59.5GB 60.0GB 502MB logical linux-swap
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09:21<pshlos>but what does have to do? i'm running aptitude and synaptic as root
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09:21<enouf>!dmm etch
09:21<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
09:21<r1pp3rj4ck>sorry about the flood... :D
09:21<r1pp3rj4ck>how can I merge it to hdc1?
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09:21<enouf>haha
09:21<OdyX>r1pp3rj4ck: don't be sorry, you've been expulsed for good reasons ;)
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09:22<frunsk>i added a wireless module in /etc/modules but wireless won't work on startup... i have to modprobe it again... has this happened to u b4?
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09:22<OdyX>who is b4 ?
09:22<pshlos>dpkg i did all these but still get the same error
09:22<dpkg>pshlos: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
09:22<r1pp3rj4ck>OdyX: hm.. that's right
09:22<Lenhix>XD OdyX
09:22<craigevil>pshlos: pastebin your sources.list
09:22<enouf>pshlos: dpkg in here is a bot
09:22<frunsk>i mean before
09:23<pshlos>oh
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09:23<OdyX>frunsk: ah, OK. What module is that ?
09:23<r1pp3rj4ck>so can i just rm all of them and recreate an ext3 and a swap again_
09:24<frunsk>OdyX, it's ath5k
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09:24<frunsk>the new atheros kernel built in module
09:24<OdyX>kernel 2.6.24 ?
09:24<gsimmons>frunsk: Do you have the 'madwifi-tools' package installed?
09:24<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: you don't want/need any of the data on hdc2,5,6 ?
09:25<frunsk>gsimmons, i do
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09:25<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: nope, i copied everything important to the hda1
09:25<frunsk>when i run modprobe ath5k it works fine... I thought /etc/modules would do that automagically
09:26<gsimmons>frunsk: It installs /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi, which blacklists ath5k by default (in favour of ath_pci). Either remove this package or amend the file accordingly.
09:26<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: make a backup of the partition table of the disk; sfdisk -d /dev/hdc > hdc.partition.table.bckup
09:26<craigevil>no because madwifi-tools blacklists ath5k, remove it and make sure ath5k is not blacklisted
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09:26<frunsk>gsimmons, thx :)
09:27<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: done
09:27<frunsk>gsimmons, that was tricky :)
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09:27<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: get jiggy with it
09:29<r1pp3rj4ck>enouf: what does it mean? :D
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09:29<enouf>r1pp3rj4ck: i was just saying; carry on - as you were
09:30<r1pp3rj4ck>ohh thanks :)
09:31<r1pp3rj4ck>I'm just not so good in the american slang :D
09:32<frunsk>r1pp3rj4ck, will smith wouldn't appreciate :)
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09:33<r1pp3rj4ck>frunsk: hm... i have to watch more men in black then... :D
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09:45<r1pp3rj4ck>how can i umount the swap partition?
09:45<frunsk>swapoff /dev/...
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09:45<r1pp3rj4ck>thanks
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09:46<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... and how can i check the start & end of the unallocated space on parted?
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09:47<johnfg>hi folks
09:49<elektron>Hallo
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09:50<johnfg>How can I be sure that I'm running the latest release of lenny?
09:50<johnfg>My kernel is 2.6.26-1-686
09:50<johnfg>I installed from dvd vs. the upgrade from etch to lenny.
09:50<mgoetze>johnfg: there is no release of lenny :)
09:50<johnfg>I.e., the lenny beta.
09:51<snogglethorpe>johnfg: well one easy way is to try upgrading from the net and see if anything happens...
09:51<r1pp3rj4ck>can I make an ext3 partition with parted?
09:51<r1pp3rj4ck>i see there just ext2
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09:51<OdyX>johnfg: there is no beta either, but a frozen testing… Anyway, check that your /etc/apt/sources.list contains only "lenny" and no "etch" and aptitude dist-upgrade
09:54<elektron>I got hanups when i insert any kind of CD/DVD on my Lenny. Is this the same on other Systems? A HAL Problem?
09:55<craigevil>by beta he probably means > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_live_beta2/i386/iso-cd/
09:56<craigevil>oh cool there is a iso that installs lxde
09:56<r1pp3rj4ck>I can't resize:
09:56<r1pp3rj4ck>(parted) resize 1 0k 58G
09:56<r1pp3rj4ck>Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled.
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10:00<ripperjack>I can't make swap :@
10:04<And1>How do I burn mp3-files to an audio cd with k3b on lenny?
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10:08<Lenhix>ripperjack: Why don't you use a gparted lice CD?
10:08<Lenhix>*lvie
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10:09<Bushmills>vile?
10:09<r1pp3rj4ck>hm... because i have to go there (i'm on ssh), reboot the pc, wait a lot, etc.
10:09<r1pp3rj4ck>:D
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10:12<And1>Mh, 'tree' doesn't show my utf-8 characters, but just numbers instead.
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10:14<Lenhix>ok r1pp3rj4ck
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10:17<ZathraZ>hi. Is there anyway to test if a wifi connection is up like you can do with ethtool on non wifi connections? Checking if ath0 is associated is not soffucient on a fixed IP network so it seems
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10:17<ZathraZ>*sufficient
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10:18<r1pp3rj4ck>back...
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10:26<ripperjack>i'm back
10:26<ripperjack>damned isp
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10:29<ripperjack>i type on parted "mkpart ext3 0k 58G" but it makes a 60G partition
10:29<ripperjack> 1 0.00kB 60.0GB 60.0GB ext3
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10:31<saivin>hi could u please help me with audio and video in jwm?
10:31<saivin>I get error msgs saying codecs/plugins not available.
10:31<taziden>and what is the link with jwm?
10:32<saivin>but the same program (totem) works fine in GNOME/LXDE...
10:32<saivin>taziden, i did not get u.
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10:39<r1pp3rj4ck>what the fuck's wrong? :@
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11:00<padski>r1pp3rj4ck, what arch is that ?
11:01<r1pp3rj4ck>arch?
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11:02<padski>r1pp3rj4ck, sorry, I see now. this is in parted
11:03<r1pp3rj4ck>yea
11:03<r1pp3rj4ck>and i don't know what I do wrong...
11:03<padski>r1pp3rj4ck, from what I recall parted will round your numbers to fit various constraints, such as cylinder alignment. 2GB is rather a lot though!
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11:04<padski>r1pp3rj4ck, fdisk is a bit closer to the metal
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11:05<padski>r1pp3rj4ck, is it on LVM ?
11:05<ripperjack>i removed all partitions
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11:05<ripperjack>from that drie
11:05<ripperjack>drive*
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11:06<ripperjack>i want to make a 58GB ext3 primary partition and 2GB linux-swap
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11:08<cahoot>fdisk isn't an option?
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11:09<ripperjack>hm... actually it is...
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11:10<ripperjack>fdisk /dev/hdc - is it a correct syntax?
11:10<ZathraZ>yes
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11:11<ZathraZ>when using IDE
11:11<ZathraZ>no when using sata or SCSI
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11:11<ripperjack>i use IDE
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11:11<ripperjack>there's /dev/hda and /dev/hdc
11:11<ZathraZ>LVM and RAID can also be a bit different
11:11<ripperjack>debian is on the /dev/hda
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11:12<ripperjack>it's complete
11:12<ZathraZ>everything is in the partitioning howto
11:12<ripperjack>i have 2 physical hdd-s
11:12<ripperjack>/dev/hda and /dev/hdc
11:12<ZathraZ>a primary master and a secondary master so it seems
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11:14<ripperjack>yea
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11:15<ripperjack>and the primary slave is the cd drive
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11:16<ZathraZ>thatś not relevant is you cannot fdisk a cdrom drive
11:16<r1pp3rj4ck>yes i know... i just mentioneed
11:16<r1pp3rj4ck>mentioned*
11:16<ZathraZ>k. so now you csan partition
11:16<ZathraZ>*can
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11:18<mahogny>enouf, well, I've looked at it but that error message doesn't tell me anything
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11:21<r1pp3rj4ck>so.. how?
11:22<daemon>r1pp3rj4ck, partitioning is not technical
11:23<daemon>whak open fdisk if you cant understand it read the man page
11:23<daemon>or a howto online
11:23<daemon>if you still cant figure out howto do it, then more than likely you should spend some time getting to know your OS
11:23<padski>or just follow your nose
11:23<daemon>as it really is not that much of a task
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11:23<r1pp3rj4ck>sorry i'm just tired, upset and all...
11:23<r1pp3rj4ck>i'm working all day long
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11:24<r1pp3rj4ck>and i slept only 4 hours
11:24<r1pp3rj4ck>i think it's better if i finish it tomorrow before i screw up something...
11:24<christoph>hi all! I've managed to configure exim4 quite well now but it won't include conf.d/acl into it's autogenerated config. What can I do?
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11:25<r1pp3rj4ck>so thanks for the help to all
11:25<r1pp3rj4ck>who helped me
11:25<daemon>in that case go get some sleep and work on this tomorrow, you will not do yourself any favours by trying to think with a tired brain, the chance of you messing something up is around (hours of sleep missed)* your average cock up rate normally expressed as a fraction)
11:25<daemon>good move
11:25<daemon>good luck r1pp3rj4ck
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11:25<r1pp3rj4ck>thank you daemon ;)
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11:27<padski>daemon, so the more sleep you get, the worse the risk ?
11:28<daemon>padski, the more you miss
11:28<daemon>if I missed 3 hours
11:28<daemon>and my average cock up rate was half
11:28<daemon>3 * 0.5
11:28<padski>daemon, apologies, I missed that bit :-) more sleep for me
11:28<daemon>1.5%
11:28<daemon>;-)
11:29<daemon>should of been 'expressed as a decimal' though
11:29<daemon>that was the 3 hours of sleep I missed last night coming in
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11:29<padski>:-)
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11:38<christoph>EXIM4 tells me ACL is NULL: implicit DENY but there is an acl section in it's config
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11:40<mgoetze>christoph: "it's [sic] config" being what file?
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11:41<sasha999>hi could someone help me to compil an unfixed bug with the patches from the bug 490700 libhighgui-dev
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11:43<mgoetze>christoph: i.e. what is the output of debconf-show exim4-config | grep split_config
11:44<mahogny>where can I find a packaging wiz?
11:44<mahogny>any channel?
11:45<bremner>mahogny: try #debian-mentors
11:45<mahogny>thanks
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11:51<elashish>is it safe to remove MTA?
11:51<elashish>or disable it at the least
11:51<christoph>mgoetze, it's set to true
11:52<christoph>the acl is in conf.d/acl and appears in /var/lib/exim4/*autogenerated
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11:53<christoph> where conf.d/acl is an directoriy containing the acl
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11:57<sasha999>hi regarding the bug 490700 concerning libhighgui-dev, two patch have been provided in the official thread ; couls somebody explain me how i can build my own packages with those patches
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12:13<fxiny>can't get qingy starting fluxbox , any known problems ? can't find any bugreport
12:14<apostle>the debian reference manual is not the latest on the website
12:14<fxiny>talking to me ?
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12:20<sasha999>hi could anybody explain me how i can download debiba sources : apply som patches and recompil it
12:21<s_i_m>debiba? what is that?
12:21<sasha999>debin
12:21<sasha999>debian sorry
12:21<s_i_m>heh
12:21<fxiny>it works . i can browse qingy meny . i've set log up to a file ; nothing relevant there . it fails to start fluxbox . swithcing to text console i can start x
12:21<nailuj24>use apt-get source <packagename>
12:21<nailuj24>at sasha999
12:22<sasha999>nailuj24:ok and then ? make / checkinstall
12:22<s_i_m>so, sasha999 you want to rebuild the entire distro? =)
12:22<sasha999>no just a librairy
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12:22<nailuj24>sasha999: well, take the .orig package and apply your patches
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12:23<sasha999>the .deb ?
12:23<sasha999>or the sources
12:23<nailuj24>no, wit apt-get source you get a blabla.orig and a blabla.diff
12:23<nailuj24>sasha999: that are the sources
12:24<nailuj24>sasha999: the .orig is the original source code, the .diff are changes made by a maintainer
12:24<sasha999>and so i ll find a debian/patches repository somewhere in it ?
12:25<nailuj24>sasha999: of course you can apply your own changes too and them just use make
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12:25<Bushmills>fxiny: my qingy fluxbox script just contains "/usr/bin/startfluxbox"
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12:25<s_i_m>nailuj24, you are explaining something other than a standard debian build procedure
12:26<sasha999>nailuj24: could you if possible take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490700 and tell me if it is the procedure to apply the patches in it
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12:27<fxiny>Bushmills: i've tryed that , now qingy lost firefox menu . i found an old bug report which says qiingy gets the file from /usr/share/xsessions , purging and resinstalling it . do you think libpam0g-dev can be the problem ?
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12:28<Bushmills>fxiny: i have a non-x session dir, and an x session dir, both in /etc/qingy. no problem noticed yet.
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12:29<Bushmills>(changed the config for x session dir to reside in /etc/qingy
12:29<nailuj24>sasha999: well, download the source packages with apt-get source and google for a tutorial how to build your own packages
12:29<Bushmills>)
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12:29<fxiny>Bushmills: qingy complains (in logs) about the infamout /eytc/X11/Sessions dir missing . i've mkdir that
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12:29<fxiny>infamous*
12:29<sasha999>nailuj24: thanks
12:30<nailuj24>np
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12:30<christoph>Still on EXIM (it's getting better!) I now have «unknown ACL verb "acl_check_rcpt" in "acl_chack_rcpt" »
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12:34<fxiny>Bushmills: are you using kernel frambuffer ?
12:34<fxiny>frane*
12:34<fxiny>s*
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12:35<fxiny>Bushmills: BINGO!
12:35<Bushmills>fxiny: yes
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12:36<fares>anyone here could help with setting up a logitech quickconnect webcam ubuntu intrepid?
12:36<Bushmills>and no log complaints, i just grepped those. only auth.log shows the logins and outs.
12:36<fxiny>Bushmills: so , i mkdir that session , i could have changed /etc/qingy/settings and i have added /usr/bin/startfluxbox as a 644 file
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12:37<fxiny>Bushmills: amazing , i love it . i remember you talking about qingy . very nice !
12:37<Bushmills> /usr/bin/startfluxbox comes already with fluxbox
12:38<blarson>!tell fares about ubuntu
12:38<fxiny>Bushmills: yes , but believe me i've tryed everything , even damned exec fluxbox
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12:39<fxiny>Bushmills: kernel framebuffer off/on . everything , anyway now it works
12:39<Bushmills>well, i changed the location for the x sessions to a directory of my own because i just wanted exclusive control over it. no automatic attempt of guessing sessions or such
12:40<Bushmills>and next to the default non-x qingy session directory it made the most sense, i thought
12:40<Bushmills>soi might have missed some problems by having done that
12:41<fxiny>Bushmills: i think you are right , i don't like a /etc/X11/Sessions dir
12:41<fxiny>lemme chmodit 700 to see if that is the problem
12:41<Bushmills>i use it on a low resource machine. probably makes sense in such an environment.
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12:42<fxiny>Bushmills: i'm using it on a 3G
12:42<Bushmills>sounds like the right kind of machine for it :)
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12:43<fxiny>Bushmills: i will use fluxbox and xmonad/awesome in lenny so quingy will certainly help
12:43<fxiny>and it's f* nice
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12:45<fxiny>problems
12:45<fxiny>x going zebra mode :P
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12:46<isonull>how do i go about changing audio settings to 5.1 ?
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12:46<Bushmills>fxiny: was it running on your digican, i'd have said there are overexposed regions :)
12:46<Bushmills>digicam
12:46<fxiny>Bushmills: chmod 700 /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox failed !
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12:47<fxiny>lemme chmodit 644 again
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12:48<Bushmills>the xsessions starts file i don't need to set +x
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12:49<fxiny>i think purging and reconfiguring it fix it
12:49<Bushmills>x session dir looks like this: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1230054561195231350.png
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12:50<isonull>how do i go about changing audio settings to 5.1 ? or is it a hardware configuration?
12:51<fxiny>Bushmills: editing
12:51<fxiny>i don't want a Sessions
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12:52<adb>there in no any /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox
12:52<adb>there is*
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12:53<Bushmills>fxiny: each of those files contains one single line, which is the command to start the resp. window manager
12:53<fxiny>Bushmills: ok
12:54<fxiny>Bushmills: i'm reading qingy logs
12:54<fxiny>debug
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12:55<Bushmills>fxiny: all files cat'ted show this: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1230054885293924922.png
12:56<fxiny>Bushmills: reboot -n pressing numpad enter sends the screen in zebra mode :P
12:56<fxiny>wt4x !
12:57<fxiny>Bushmills: rxvt ?
12:57<Bushmills>full screen x term, no wm
12:57<Bushmills>(faster than console)
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12:58<fxiny>Bushmills: done it : i moved Sessions from /etc/X11 to /etc/qingy
12:59<fxiny>Bushmills: i have a qingy entry in /etc/pam.d
12:59<fxiny>that's libpam0g-dev
13:03<fxiny>reboot -n giving me problems
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13:09<xente>does anyone know how to have nm-applet automatically open its keyring?
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13:10<xente>anyone?
13:10<ilj>yeah?
13:11<xente>does anyone know how to have nm-applet automatically open its keyring?
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13:13<cahoot>xente: I failed to find a way (FWIW)
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13:15<xente>me too. Ubuntu allows this, do you think that is so because Ubuntu uses a newer version of gnome
13:16<cahoot>don't know and don't really care - switched to plain wpasupplicant via interfaces
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13:18<xente>cahoot: which interfaces do you use?
13:19<cahoot>xente: meant /etc/network/interfaces
13:19<xente>cahoot: right
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13:40<Valtiel-ASD>why after installing kfolding i can't find this ?
13:40<Valtiel-ASD>where is this ?
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13:42<peppe>\ server irc.darksin.net
13:42<peppe>ciao
13:42<peppe>\server irc.darksin.net
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13:43<peppe>ciao a tutti
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13:44<Aleons>Hello, I have a problem with proftpd mysql, in the mysql i have set the uid and gid at 1777 i have usermod and groupmod www-data to change that but i have already Permission denied in my ftp when i create a file or directory and the directory is chown...
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13:47<fxiny>Bushmills: lost again , i think is the framebuffer
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13:52<isonull>how do i go about changing audio settings to 5.1 ? or is it a hardware configuration?
13:54<cahoot>isonull: try speaker-test -t wav -c 6
13:55<mahogny>libusb-0.1-4, why does this package have the version number in the name? it looks insane to me
13:55<fxiny>must be a bug : purging and resinstalling fixed it again . reading logs
13:56<fxiny>wish i could find it
13:56<fxiny>saving all settings ...
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13:59<Bushmills>fxiny: for embedded devices, there are alternative X server. I have kdrive, which uses framebuffer, on my PDA
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14:00<fxiny>Bushmills: it works but reboot -n fills the screen with stripes for 2-3 secs . when this goes away it won't start fluxbox
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14:10<gremly>hello, I installed debian Lenny beta2 on a hp server DL 165 G5, this machine has an Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm). It has an i486 linux kernel but I need to change it to an amd64. I use a netisnt iso from an usb stick. Can I install amd64 linux kernel with apt?
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14:11<craigevil>install the 64 bit netinstall
14:13<gremly>thanks craigevil, coud I get too much problems if I try to update my system with the new kernel?
14:14<craigevil>if you installed 32bit system then yes it more than just the kernel, if you want 64 bit intall the 64 bit
14:14<gremly>thanks a lot craigevil :)
14:15<craigevil>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
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14:15<craigevil>is what you want
14:15<yucko>quit
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14:18<chealer>gremly: why would he want Debian amd64
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14:19<chealer>gremly: yes, you can install an amd64 Linux image with APT.
14:19<gremly>well i try to create a boot partition with my usb, then i cpied debian-testing-amd64.iso, but when I reboot the machine an try to boot from usb I get a message similar to "missing operative system"
14:20<gremly>I don't understand why i get that message if installed current system with a similar method, but using an i386 iso
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14:22<gremly>so i decided to install amd64 linux image from apt
14:22<fxiny>Bushmills: maybe i've got the bug . /etc/qingy/settings , right ? if i enable log_level = debug and log_facilities = console, file can't load fluxbox . still looking for the "zebra" effect
14:23<fxiny>one or them or both logging options , no time yet but definetly that is one problem
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14:26<fxiny>x frambuffer on/off makes no difference . i feel the "zebra" has to to with qingy itself . dunno what but i see no clues in x logs
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14:27<gremly>chealer: I have installed the amd64 linux image, but i don't know if i would get problems installing the whole rest applications as my webserver, etc
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14:35<fxiny>Bushmills: log_level = debug , does it
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14:35<fxiny>anyone can reproduce it ?
14:35<xbox>#help
14:35<fxiny>qingy > fluxbox
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14:35<xbox>#gingy
14:36<xbox>quit
14:36<xbox>#quit
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14:37<roadgeek>Hi everyone. I'm looking for a way to take a snapshot of the ports (and versions) installed on one system and install them all on a second system. I know I've seen some dpkg magic to do this although I can't seem to find it right now.
14:37<xbox>hello worl
14:38<xbox>hello world, anyone ?
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14:38<roadgeek>Hello xbox
14:39<xbox>hi roadgeek sorry but im really new to this irc client
14:39<fxiny>!reinstall
14:39<dpkg>from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
14:39<fxiny>roadgeek: ^^^^
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14:40<gremly>chealer: when i use i486 image, i only see one cre from the quad core processor and I get wrong info about RAM
14:40<xbox>well i had gnome-chat but i could not just simply add the debian irc server into ist channel list ;))
14:40<roadgeek>fkiny, thank you very much. That ought to do the trick nicely. Will this also make sure the same versions of the packages are installed on the target system, or just the latest?
14:40<Bushmills>fxiny: i tried it, setting loglevel to debug - no zebra here, but fluxbox will not start - only the large X cross cursor is shown. other window managers do start, though.
14:41<xbox>Im leaving see ya
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14:41<fxiny>Bushmills: yes ! zebra coulb be this crap video card all in one
14:42<chealer>gremly: it's normal that the 486 image only uses one core. it's not configured for SMP, as opposed to other stock kernels.
14:43<gremly>chealer: so i have to work with a 64bit syste, but... there is any way to convert it?.... I have only a base system installed and now I'm working with amd64 linux image as you suggest me
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14:45<chealer>gremly: with the amd64 Linux image, don't you see all cores?
14:46<gremly>chealer, now i see all cores and the real RAM info :)
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14:46<fxiny>Bushmills: i'm tired now . i need to switch all things off . i've seen some specific fluxbox errors in ~/.xsession-errors , it coulb be flux then . can't send a bug report now too tired and confused . i have no other window managers so i have not enough info for a bug report
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14:48<chealer>gremly: so why would you need to work with a (full) 64-bit system?
14:49<fxiny>Bushmills: i'm going . tx your your help . see you next :)
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14:56<grassmonkey>any help setting up sendmail?
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14:58<gremly>chealer: I think the main reason to use a 64 bit is because of the machine configuration :)
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15:01<olga>hi, anyone know how to configure a laptop, intel wifi 5100 driver, I have install firmware-iwlwifi package, and modprobe iwl4965 and iwl 3945, but don't get ifup works
15:01<olga>lspci listed card
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15:02<gsimmons>olga: You'll need to use a different driver for the 5100.
15:02<gsimmons>!iwlagn
15:02<dpkg>i heard iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Ask me about <wireless tree> to acquire for earlier kernels. Also ask about <iwlagn firmware>.
15:02<olga>lspci -nn 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232]
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15:03<olga>gsimmons, do you know how to install it?, is on firmware-iwlwifi package?
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15:05<grassmonkey>hi, I have tried to configure sendmail, but get back error 421 - machine is sending out email as root@localhost.mydomain.com. Anyone know how to fix this?
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15:06<petemc>abou the only reason to use sendmail is if you're already familiar with it
15:06<petemc>otherwise you should use postfix or exim
15:06<gsimmons>olga: You can either install a 2.6.27 kernel to provide your system with the driver, or compile the compat-wireless-old drivers from the wireless-2.6 GIT tree for use in the 2.6.26 kernel. Note that 'firmware-iwlwifi' does not currently contain the necessary 5000-series microcode.
15:06<gsimmons>!tell olga -about wireless tree
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15:06<gsimmons>!tell olga -about iwlagn firmware
15:07<grassmonkey>I have tried package and source code sendmail. Do you suggest package exim?
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15:07<s3a>does anyone in lenny have the following problem?: when you download something and tell EPIPHANY to save what you download at a specific location and open it, does it open it but save it in /tmp insteadd of the designated location?
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15:09<petemc>grassmonkey: thats what i use
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15:10<grassmonkey>petemc. I saw on debian manual that's what they use. Should it be easier to use?
15:11<petemc>yes
15:11<olga>gsimmons, 2.6.27 is not as debian package, even as experimental, isn't it?
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15:12<grassmonkey>ok Ill look into it
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15:13<olga>the iwlwifi-5000 file you send me, will work with 2,6,26 kernel?
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15:15<gsimmons>olga: No, it's not. Again, you can compile the iwlagn driver out-of-tree (via compat-wireless-old) for use in the 2.6.26 kernel.
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15:15<slavko>HOLA
15:15<slavko>AYUDA
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15:18<olga>gsimmons, thanks I will try
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15:24<HappyFace>hi I just installed debian lenny on here, but I can't get X to play nicely with my monitor, unlike any other xorg default videomodes in other linux flavors, xorg in lenny chooses one outside my LCD's range
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15:28<HappyFace>it says: Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed.
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16:00<melodie>hello
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16:01<melodie>could someone give this information to me ? → I'm trying to start an install with business card iso, from the iso image (in HDD) and can't : is there a way to do that same as with the other hd-media methods, or not at all ?
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16:06<ZathraZ>melodie, I do not understand the question
16:07<ZathraZ>you should be able to install Debian with all installation CDs made for that purpose
16:07<ZathraZ>unless you have brand new hardware which is not supported yet
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16:08<ZathraZ>are you in Windows, downloaded the business card ISO, mounted that with an ISO mounter and now want to install Debian?
16:08<ZathraZ>or are you just trying to install from a bootable medium?
16:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 361] by debhelper
16:09<melodie>hi ZathraZ
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16:10<melodie>I put the iso at / of another distribution, and put the vmlinuz and initrd.gz in /boot/hd-media + a bloc text in menu.lst to start the install
16:10<melodie>it works with regular iso images, if we pick the right media files :
16:11<melodie>ie : http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/?????/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
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16:11<melodie>where the ????? stand for the version, stable testing or unstable
16:11<ZathraZ>afaik the Debian iSOs are regular ISOs. have you md5sum-checked your download?
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16:12<melodie>ZathraZ, I never check my isos : I download with wget, or with rtorrent and that never fails
16:12<melodie>the problem is that the installer does not find the cdrom in the tray. :]
16:13<melodie>I tried with some hd-media images I was not sure about, it was for testing, then I tried by extracting the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from the iso
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16:13<melodie>the result is it looks for a CD in the Cdrom tray.
16:14<melodie>so maybe somewhere are hd-media images fit for the business card iso ?
16:14<ZathraZ>does it actually look for a physical CD or would a mount on /cdrom or something could fix this?
16:14<melodie>(I wish to install a sid version)
16:14<melodie>yes it does, that's what I'm saying
16:15<ZathraZ>afaik this hd-media image install is not a supported install procedure
16:15<melodie>I can't mount on cdrom, unless there is a special command I can use to say the installer where to look for
16:15<melodie>how is that, not supported ?
16:16<ZathraZ>maybe for details you can check the channels: #debian-boot and/or #debian-installer on this server
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16:17<melodie>oh thanks ZathraZ
16:18<diem>hi all ... could anyone give me a hand with PolicyKit stuff. I'm running e17 wm, and I'm breaking my head to find what is needed for PolicyKit authentication dialogs to show up when certain permission is required (instead of denying it silently).
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16:18<ZathraZ>np. They have more expertize on the subject
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16:20<Raspberry>i am receiving the message Stale NFS file handle when trying to remove a file... any idea how to get rid of the file / message? the file is on the local drive not related to NFS shares in any way
16:21<Raspberry>seems like this is a debian specific issue but i haven't found any resolution posted on the web --- just people asking how to fix it without any answer
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16:24<PMT>I just discovered that the Lenny SPARC netboot image doesn't really work at all. I wonder if Bug #506713 is to blame.
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16:28<barnes>Raspberry do even run nfs on that?
16:28<Raspberry>no
16:28<Raspberry>that's why it doesn't make any sense
16:28<Raspberry>it's saying that about some files in my /usr/lib
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16:29<Raspberry>i was trying to figure out why nothing using libkrb5 would work so i tried to purge the libkrb53 package and was then going to reinstall it and i received the stale nfs file handle error
16:30<Raspberry>reading online is very depressing
16:30<Raspberry>because it looks as though nobody has a fix for it an dthat people are seeing it with debian
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16:31<Raspberry>how do a reboot the server and run a fsck? it's part of my root partition that's giving me this error
16:31<weasel>man shutdown
16:31<Raspberry>thx
16:32<PMT>Raspberry: are your NFS mounts autonegotiating krb5 or something?
16:32<PMT>Oh, wait, you're not using NFS.
16:32<kop>Raspberry : touch /forcefsck
16:32*PMT blinks.
16:32<PMT>what the hell
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16:33<Raspberry>yeah
16:33<barnes>Raspberry can you create files in /usr/lib ?
16:33<Raspberry>i had nfs on here but i wasn't using it
16:33<Raspberry>yeah i can create files in /usr/lib
16:33<Raspberry>and i can rename many of the files in usr/lib
16:34<Raspberry>i just found out the stale nfs error because i tried to remove libkrb53
16:34<barnes>so if you stop nfs it works again or?
16:34<Raspberry>nfs isn't even installed anymore
16:34<Raspberry>this problem started before removing nfs
16:35<Raspberry>so nfs could have caused it
16:35<Raspberry>but ic an't start any services
16:35<Raspberry>because the krb5 libraries are inaccessable
16:35<Raspberry>qmail works but dns mysql apache ssh are broken
16:35<Raspberry>saying libraries are inaccessable or their not ELF files
16:35<Raspberry>or the magic bytes aren't right
16:36<Raspberry>i have no problems with data consistancy
16:36<Raspberry>on the drive
16:36<Raspberry>so this might just be a fluke
16:36<PMT>I wouldn't be so sure you have no data consistency problems if you're reporting Stale file handle.
16:37<PMT>Where are you getting a stale file handle?
16:37<Raspberry>on libgssapi_krb5.so.2
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16:38<PMT>wut
16:38<Raspberry>there are tons of files, email and db on this system and i don't see any problems with them
16:38<PMT>what does strace or ltrace say?
16:38<Raspberry>it's running a fsck right now on /
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16:39<Raspberry>the drives are so small it won't take long
16:39<Raspberry>libpth.s0o.20 has incorrect file tpy
16:39<Raspberry>says fsck died with exit status 4
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16:42<Raspberry>lots of issues with libraries in /usr/lib
16:42<Raspberry>file types were set to 7 instead of 1
16:42<Raspberry>it went through the fsck very quickly
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16:43<Raspberry>i'm guessing i'm going to have to reinstall some lib packages
16:43<Raspberry>oprobably a good time to replace this 7yr old 8gb hdd :p
16:44<Raspberry>i'm going to reinstall libkrb53 and see if that fixes the issue
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16:48<Raspberry>fsck and reinstall of libkrb53 seems to have fixed it
16:49<Raspberry>i'll have to see what other libraries throw errrors
16:49<Raspberry>and need to be purged and reinstalled
16:49<Raspberry>i get lotws of ldconfig errors now
16:49<Raspberry>about things in /usr/lib not being a symoblic li9nk
16:49<Raspberry>any easy way to clean those up?
16:50<Raspberry>dpkg -S ?
16:50<dpkg>Raspberry: I give up, what is it?
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16:51<bamboos>hello
16:52<OdyX>Anybody with an amd64 with proprietary nvidia driver who could test fretsonfire ?
16:53<PMT>OdyX: I've got that. Not Debian, but amd64 and nvidia.
16:53<bamboos>I guess I crashed some libc6 files on my i386-debian using "dpkg -i --force-conflicts libc6_2.7-16_i386.deb"
16:53<bamboos>what do I do to fix it? :)
16:53<PMT>bamboos:why did you think this was a cunning plan?
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16:54<OdyX>PMT: Could you take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/509623 ?
16:54<PMT>OdyX - all over it.
16:54<PMT>I'm not above repartitioning and booting Debian in another partition if this turns out to work for me and not on Debian, for some reason.
16:54<PMT>Ouch.
16:54<PMT>Poking.
16:54<bamboos>PMT: what do you mean? I had a conflict problem with tzdata-etch
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16:55<PMT>bamboos: That...shouldn't happen. Are you running Lenny or etch?
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16:55<bamboos>hmm
16:56<bamboos>don't know
16:56<bamboos>it installed correctly but simply doesn't work
16:56<PMT>bamboos: cat /etc/debian_version
16:57<bamboos>4.0
16:57<bamboos>that's the result
16:58<PMT>So Etch. Noted.
16:58<PMT>What do you mean, you had a conflict with tzdata-etch?
16:58<PMT>It required a specific version older/newer than you had?
16:59<bamboos>I guess libc6_2.7-16_i386.deb is a newer version and I needed it to run libnet
16:59<bamboos>the version was too old
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16:59*PMT blinks.
16:59<PMT>bamboos: why did you use dpkg -i --force-conflicts?
16:59<PMT>Why not use apt-get install?
17:00<bamboos>I couldn't install libc6_2.7-16_i386.deb "because of conflict with tzdata-etch", no idea
17:00<OdyX>have you tried aptitude ?
17:00<PMT>OdyX: the Ubuntu package WFM. I'm building the one from Debian testing and seeing what it does.
17:00<OdyX>bamboos: I mean "the beautiful ncurses aptitude"
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17:00<PMT>If that succeeds, I'll boot a Debian slice and we'll party like it's 1999.
17:01<bamboos>Yeah, I was too fast with it, what should I type to revert changes?
17:01<dondelelcaro>you should never ever have to use --force-conflicts (or any of the other similar force options)
17:01<OdyX>PMT: Thanks ! Could you then report your tries with versions et al' in the BTS (just send a mail nnn@bugs.debian.org) ?
17:01<bamboos>I was instructed with help, didn't know that m8, k
17:02<PMT>OdyX: Sure.
17:02<dondelelcaro>bamboos: but in any event, you need to install the version of libc6 that came with the version of Debian that you're running.
17:02<PMT>bamboos: you should never try to use --force options unless you really know what you're doing, basically. If someone else told you to, then they need to be...glanced at.
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17:02<dondelelcaro>bamboos: since you appear to be running etch, that's 2.3.6.ds1-13etch8
17:02<bamboos>yeah, risky mistake ^^
17:03<PMT>OdyX: Having compiled FoF from the Debian testing package, it Just Works(tm)
17:03<PMT>As said above, though, I'm running Ubuntu, so this might be a bug in something else.
17:03<bamboos>dondelelcaro I had it but I couldn't run the libnet1_1.1.2.1-4_i386.deb
17:03<PMT>It looks like it's failing to find your OpenGL library, OdyX.
17:03<OdyX>PMT: not mine ;)
17:03<PMT>"Yours"
17:04<PMT>[his]
17:04<OdyX>I'm just trying to get other info ;)
17:04<dondelelcaro>bamboos: yes, because you should have installed libned 1.1.2.1-2, not -4.
17:04<bamboos>I was just getting the newest i386 ver., OK
17:04<dondelelcaro>bamboos: installing packages from unstable onto an etch install is totally broken.
17:04<bamboos>do I need sth like libnet1-dev_1.1.2.1-4_i386.deb for libnet to work?
17:04<PMT>It doesn't appear to be an FoF bug, OdyX - that error apparently crops up when your OGL libraries are missing.
17:04<dondelelcaro>bamboos: no.
17:04<PMT>[or so says google and the FoF forums]
17:05<dondelelcaro>bamboos: what exactly are you trying to do?
17:05<PMT>Maybe the package needs a dependency on whatever the metapackage is for "libGL.so"?
17:05<bamboos>I am trying to get the libnet to compile
17:05<dondelelcaro>bamboos: why?
17:05<bamboos>that's the point
17:05<dondelelcaro>bamboos: it's already built for you; there's no need to compile it
17:06<bamboos><oops>
17:06<dondelelcaro>and in any event, why do you want to compile libnet?
17:07<bamboos>no I didn't want to compile libnet, just use its libraries for coding reasons
17:07<OdyX>PMT: again, could you write it down in a mail ?
17:07<bamboos>apps
17:07<dondelelcaro>bamboos: which application?
17:07<OdyX>I mean, I can re-write the results of your research, but it would be "second hand" ;)
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17:08<PMT>I am.
17:08<PMT>I'm just trying to figure out as much as I can before pinging the bug.
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17:09<aetheria_>what is the best online music player that can gracefully handle lossy connections and has good/adjustable buffer settings?
17:10<bamboos>dondelelcaro: do you need to know exactly? Hm... but how to revert my changes?
17:10<PMT>OdyX: kicked to bug#@bugs.
17:10<OdyX>PMT: excellent. Many thanks !
17:11<dondelelcaro>bamboos: the reason I ask is because I want to help you solve your actual problem, not the problem that you think you have.
17:11<PMT>No worries. I'm just happy to see FoF is packaged in Debian.
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17:11*PMT goes back to punting around Lustre and Xen in Debian.
17:11<bamboos>You know, when you write an app you use the libraries and I will use those too, that's all
17:12<dondelelcaro>bamboos: so you're writing your own code that is going to use libnet1-dev? Ok.
17:12<dondelelcaro>(that's what I wanted to know)
17:12<bamboos>yeah
17:12<bamboos>just it :)
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17:12<aetheria_>looks like realplayer is the best option
17:12<dondelelcaro>bamboos: so what you need to do is aptitutde install libnet1=1.1.2.1-2 libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13etch8; for starters
17:13<amphi>aetheria_: that seems unlikely
17:13<aetheria_>amphi: show me another player where you can set the exact buffer size
17:13<dondelelcaro>bamboos: then for any library that you want to use, find the appropriate -dev package and install it. In libnet1's case, that's libnet1-dev. [Almost all libraries have a corresponding -dev package with or without the soname.]
17:13<PMT>mplayer can set buffer size, but do you mean a client or a server?
17:13<aetheria_>amphi: and one that even has a tab for internet bandwidth settings
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17:14<bamboos>dondelelcaro thx ;)
17:14<bamboos>is this ok - libnet1-dev_1.1.2.1-4_i386.deb ?
17:14<aetheria_>amphi: not to mention CPU resource usage settings, connection timeout setting, etc.
17:14<PMT>bamboos: you shouldn't need to manually fetch it. use apt-get install libnet1-dev
17:15<PMT>That's what it's there for. :)
17:15<dondelelcaro>bamboos: no.
17:15<bamboos>yeah, definitely better
17:15<dondelelcaro>bamboos: in general, you shouldn't ever be installing deb packages manually.
17:15<aetheria_>rhythmbox doesn't even have a way to bookmark a station
17:15<bamboos>if it is downloads with apt-get I won't worry :>
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17:19<PMT>Baah. Debian Sparc. *shakes fist*
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17:20<bamboos>I appreciate your help, hope that apt-get will fix it :-)
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17:33<bobby_n05>hey room
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17:34<Dracie>hi is there an easy way to remove a package like cheese without apt saying that it doesn't need the rest of gnome
17:35<bobby_n05>im new to linux and irc's and the whole hack seen. anyone help me out
17:35<Dracie>bobby_n05, what do you need help with though?
17:36<ZathraZ>Dracie, tried dpkg ?
17:36<bobby_n05>im not really sure im used to messin with like windows 2000 and shit. i pretty much know the basics
17:36<ZathraZ>Yes, Windows can be shit
17:36<Dracie>ZathraZ, like do what?
17:36<amphi>bobby_n05: this is a support channel for debian - do you have debian installed, or wish to install debian?
17:37<bobby_n05>yeah. im lookin to get away from windows and start workin more with linux. i have a few bootable live cd's im using knoppix right now
17:37<abli>Dracie, you could install some package that pulls in gnome, then remove cheese. Maybe 'gnome' is the right package for that, I don't know
17:38<Dracie>abli, thx, anyways Its kinda weird - i thought debian installed DE's though metapakages
17:38<kop>!tell bobby_n05 -about grounding
17:39<amphi>bobby_n05: did you look at http://debian.org/ ?
17:39<abli>Dracie, yes, so you need that metapackage that means 'basic gnome desktop'. I _think_ 'gnome' is that, but I am not sure.
17:39<Dracie>oh looks like it didn't install that metapackage anyways
17:39<kop>bobby_n05 : If you want debian, go grab a net install cd via debian.org and install, or there's a debian live project for a live cd.
17:39<Dracie>abli, thx
17:39<ZathraZ>Dracie, dpkg --remove of dpkg --purge cheese
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17:39<Dracie>btw has anyone had issues with a slow refresh in xorg?
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17:39<bobby_n05>i can go to the site and download that while im runnin the live cd?
17:40<Dracie>bobby_n05, just need space for data
17:40<Dracie>don't save it to your home folder, that is most likely in your ramdisk which lives in your ram
17:40<kop>bobby_n05 : Well, you need a way to burn a cd. That could be tough with a live cd in the drive.
17:40<amphi>bobby_n05: there's also http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ ;)
17:41<kop>bobby_n05 : A network install is easiest, a small cd download and get everything else from the net. Are you 32 or 64 bit?
17:42<bobby_n05>the sites that ur giving me do i have to pay for the os or is it free
17:42<ZathraZ>free
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17:42<kop>amphi : goodby-microsoft.com installs debian stable directly from MS Windows?
17:43<Dracie>hah that is really slick
17:43<amphi>kop: so it seems
17:43<Dracie>its like wubi but better since its for straight out debian
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17:43<amphi>kop: I've not had a windows box to try it on
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17:43<bobby_n05>price is my main concern. id rather not have to pay for the system
17:43<Dracie>there is a .ogg o nthe site showing the process
17:43<amphi>what is wubi?
17:43<kop>amphi : I'm running stable so have iceweasel 2 so can't see the "how it works" video.
17:44<Dracie>its ubuntu's installer that isntalled ubuntu inside a windows partition
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17:44<Dracie>so you can delete it like a program
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17:44<amphi>kop: just point mplayer at the url?
17:44<bobby_n05>i think i am 64
17:44<Dracie>bobby_n05, how much ram u got?
17:44<amphi>Dracie: ah, thanks
17:44<Dracie>amphi, np np
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17:45<kop>bobby_n05 : If you really are 64, (intel or amd) you want the amd64 installer. Otherwise you want the i386 installer.
17:45<Dracie>bobby_n05, only get 64 bit if you have more than 4 gigs of ram
17:45<Dracie>the other advantages aren't really worth it
17:46<Dracie>because in 64 bit ram is addressed with larger addresses meaning more ram eaten by allocating the ram
17:46<bobby_n05>well im not really sure what i can run on this comp just yet a guy i know built this comp. its not the best i know
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17:47<kop>bobby_n05 : Open a terminal window and type "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and tell us what it says on the "model" line.
17:47<amphi>bobby_n05: you don't know what cpu it is?
17:48<kop>bobby_n05 : The "model name" line.
17:48<Dracie>its gotta be x86 based
17:48<bobby_n05>ok just a sec
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17:49<Dracie>i hope he isn't using puppy linux
17:49<Dracie>its messy
17:49<kop>(IIRC there's something in the "flags" that says if the cpu is 64 bit, but I don't know what it is.)
17:49<bobby_n05>intel celeron cpu 2.40 ghz
17:50<amphi>kop: 'lm'
17:50<amphi>if I recall correctly
17:50<amphi>Dracie: it'll still have /proc
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17:51<kop>bobby_n05 : Does it say "lm" in the flags section? (I don't know my celerons from celery.)
17:51<Dracie>amphi, yes, just like most linux systems, but its packaged so you can't really change it without breaking the system
17:51<bobby_n05>lol no not that i'm seein
17:51<amphi>I think he said he was on knoppix ATM
17:51<Dracie>ooo kudos
17:51<bobby_n05>fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid
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17:51<kop>bobby_n05 : It seems to be a 32 bit system. You want the i386 installer.
17:52<sampablokuper>Hi, I have encountered a problem. I've moved 4 SATA drives (that formed a RAID 5 array under mdadm) from an Ubuntu Hardy Heron server to a Lenny server, and now the Lenny server won't boot.
17:52<Dracie>sampablokuper, what error?
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17:53<bobby_n05>cool. thx guys
17:53<Dracie>whatever you guys do, if you recompile remember ELF executables are your bff's
17:53<sampablokuper>Dracie, thanks. I'm rebooting now and will report what I see.
17:53<amphi>Dracie: 'bff'?
17:53<sampablokuper>s/rebooting/restarting/
17:53<melodie>hi Dracie, what does "bffs' mean ?
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17:53<deniz>this isnt a specific debian question but sine debian ppl r known to be smart; i dropped a small quantity of water on my laptop's keyboard and now only some of the keys work, is there anything i can do to fix this??? i need my laptop for skool and cant afford much
17:53<deniz>since*
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17:54<newsense>deniz, got usb on that thing ?
17:54<melodie>let it dry upside down, and in meanwhile do prayers
17:54<abli>deniz, I would try drying it, with a hairdryer, for example.
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17:54<melodie>abli, I wouldn't
17:54<melodie>unless it's not hot under the air
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17:55<abli>yeah, well, try not to melt it :)
17:55<deniz>newsense, abli, i tried upside down, unplugging, blow drying, shaking it as a bench press etc and i guess i can buy a usb keyboard but that would be very inconvenient
17:55<melodie>:)
17:55<sampablokuper>I should mention that the Lenny server was set up with encrypted LVM. I think the trouble is that the Lenny system disk is now sde rather than sda.
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17:55<sampablokuper>Ok
17:55<newsense>deniz, get a new one from manufacturer if all else fails
17:55<melodie>deniz, you must watch out to your computers
17:56<newsense>deniz, im sure theyll overcharge ya though
17:56<deniz>its a pentium 3 laptop
17:56<deniz>i got it less for wat a keyboard should cost
17:56<deniz>than for wat*
17:56<newsense>try ebay but i hope it dries and you dont have to
17:56<melodie>deniz, even PIII does not stand taking baths
17:56<sampablokuper>The error is 'Volume group "sousdesk_system_vols" not found.' Followed by 'cryptsetup: source device /dev/sda2 not found'.
17:56<Dracie>bff best friends forever :D
17:56<Dracie>anyone here running fglrx
17:56<Dracie>I'm not sure how to install the module using the package in the lenny repo
17:56<Dracie>bobby_n05, go free -m
17:56<Dracie>do*
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17:56<amphi>deniz: 'what'
17:56<deniz>lol ya
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17:57<Dracie>i got kicked for messages in a row
17:57<Dracie>2*
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17:57<melodie>:)
17:57<melodie>Dracie, maybe m-a
17:57<melodie>module assistant
17:57<deniz>is there not anything i can do tho? if the mobo controller thing is fried then replacing keyboard wouldnt help i dont think
17:57<amphi>Dracie: you type too fast
17:57<Dracie>yeah, i think i have to do that
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17:57<bobby_n05>i have another question. far as the basics on linux commands.
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17:57<Dracie>amphi, yeah, and i forgot to stop pressing enter for one though
17:57<Dracie>bobby_n05, fire :D
17:58<bobby_n05>lol huh
17:58<melodie>deniz, just let it upside down in a hot room (normal hot for a house) one night
17:58<Dracie>whats the question
17:58<sampablokuper>Then I get 'Begin: Waiting for root file system ... done' followed by 'Gave up waiting for root device' and then a list of common problems, followed by, 'ALERT! /dev/mapper/sousdesk_system_vols-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!' and then a BusyBox shell.
17:58<newsense>!tell bobby_n05 about grounding
17:58<bobby_n05>oh well that was the question
17:58<Dracie>we love to answer thos
17:58<bobby_n05>lol
17:58<wilsonmh>so here's an off the wall question, is anyone else having trouble sending mail to yahoo atm, seems like all of their MX's are down. Can anyone confirm that?
17:58<deniz>melodie, i left it alone for over 24h
17:58<melodie>deniz, then
17:58<amphi>bobby_n05: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ will probably be of use
17:58<Dracie>hey bobby_n05 do "free -m" in a terminal
17:58<melodie>go to someone's who know how to open laptops and let him see what
17:59<melodie>my boyfriend opens laptops fine, but we might be a bit far. :)
17:59<bobby_n05> total used free shared buffers cached
17:59<bobby_n05>Mem: 502 475 26 0 7 341
17:59<bobby_n05>-/+ buffers/cache: 126 375
17:59<bobby_n05>Swap: 0 0 0
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17:59<Dracie>lol
17:59<Dracie>oops
17:59<Dracie>i was hoping he wouldn't do that
18:00<melodie>Dracie, you could hope : more than 2 lines is flood here !
18:00<melodie>:D
18:00<sampablokuper>Dracie, any thoughts about the RAID/boot problem?
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18:00<Dracie>sampablokuper, did you mention what time in boot and what boot error it was?
18:00<Dracie>ie, did the kernel load?
18:01<melodie>Dracie, he said
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18:01<Dracie>oh
18:01<bobby_n05>lol got booted
18:01<melodie>"Gave up waiting for root device"
18:01<Dracie>o
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18:01<kop>!tell bobby_n05 -about paste
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18:01<melodie>sampablokuper, did it work before you try to improve it ?
18:01<amphi>heh
18:01<sampablokuper>Dracie, I'm not quite sure how to answer your questions.
18:01<Dracie>maybe its because the device mount point changed
18:02<Dracie>because of the other drives that were installed
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18:02<urchin>hi
18:02<bobby_n05>did that message paste before i got booted
18:02<amphi>yes
18:02<sampablokuper>The Lenny system worked before I added the RAID drives, and the Ubuntu system worked with the RAID drives in.
18:02<melodie>sampablokuper, I mean when you used Hardy Heron as a server ?
18:02<amphi>bobby_n05: did you get the url I gave you?
18:02<bobby_n05>no
18:02<melodie>sampablokuper, then why do you want to make it complicated ? are you testing or so ?
18:03<Dracie>sampablokuper, how does your grub (assuming your usnig grub) identify the root drive?
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18:03<kop>Dracie : You missed some info, he's getting a busybox shell.
18:03<amphi>bobby_n05: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ will probably be of use
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18:03<Dracie>oh
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18:03<Dracie>hmm
18:03<Dracie>i dunno
18:03<Dracie>=-/
18:03<kop>bobby_n05 : Are you planning on keeping MS Windows too?
18:04<sampablokuper>melodie, I'm moving over to Lenny from Ubuntu. I just prefer various things about the way Lenny handles things like mail and default permissions, and I generally find that the Debian community gives more knowledgeable tech support than the Ubuntu community :)
18:04<deniz>newsense, abli, melodie, if it ruined something, what would i need to replace (maybe i can ask my dad's friend if he can help me find very cheap parts)
18:04<bobby_n05>sweet deal. thx amphi
18:04<Dracie>bobby_n05, when you did that command the first number under total - what was it
18:05<kop>Dracie 341
18:05<Dracie>whoa
18:05<sampablokuper>Dracie, I'll restart again and tell you the relevant line from Grub.
18:05<Dracie>sampablokuper, k thx
18:05<Dracie>kop thx
18:05<Dracie>yeah then just use the debian i386 installer
18:05<bobby_n05>in this computer yes. 502
18:05<kop>Dracie : Ooops. I think maybe 502. anyway dosen't matter.
18:05<Bushmills>sampablokuper: you mean to say you can't help yourself but require assistance of savvy people?
18:05<Dracie>in contrast i gots... 3291 :D
18:05<Dracie>kop yeah
18:06<bobby_n05>502 under total
18:06<Dracie>bobby_n05, if it was more than 4096 you would want the 64 bit x86 version
18:06<amphi>on that celery? hardly
18:06<sampablokuper>Dracie, the kernel line from Grub reads: 'kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/sousdesk_system_vols-root ro rootdelay=12 vga=791'
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18:07<treyh0>i wish the i386 debian installer used a 686 kernel instead of 486 so it saw more than 900 MB RAM
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18:07<Dracie>sampablokuper, maybe you should setup grub with UUID's? i dunno if that would help any
18:07<sampablokuper>Bushmills, I do what I can. I google, I read manpages, I read books. But when all else fails, I use mailing lists or irc.
18:07<Dracie>treyh0, now i know something new :D
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18:08<Bushmills>because "they don't help me in #ubuntu" doesn't sound like a great reason to change
18:08<Dracie>btw apt-build ftw it makes gentoo no point
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18:08<bobby_n05>on this "celery" its 502 im gettin a new comp and i want somethin better than windows to run on it
18:08<amphi>Dracie: debian i686 kernels have CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G enabled (or whatever it's called)
18:09<Dracie>bobby_n05, it seems fast enough, maybe just double your ram and you would be fine
18:09<amphi>bobby_n05: debian will run fine on that machine
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18:09<Dracie>amphi, i was aware of that, but not that the installer used an i486 kernel
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18:10<Dracie>bobby_n05, it would run fine on probably tyhe oldest machine you have touched since 1997
18:10<kop>bobby_n05 : It'll be fine. More ram is always better.
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18:10<Dracie>i am running KDE 3.5 on a 288 MB 300 MHz ppc g3 ibook
18:10<Dracie>so yeah... works ok
18:10<bobby_n05>well this comp is not mine. its a friends. nothin but trouble. lol i want somethin better than this. im lookin at an alienware setup from this shop down the road
18:10<Dracie>bobby_n05, ewww
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18:10<bamboos>Hi again, after new apt-get my licb6 is still wrong I think
18:11<Dracie>you are going to end up paying too much
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18:11<bamboos>can't use a script in perl, sthg's wrong ;/
18:11<Dracie>could try dpkg-reconfigure licb6
18:11<kop>bobby_n05 : To run Linux you'll be best if you use somethig that there are a gazillion of. Some used HP off ebay or something.
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18:12<sampablokuper>Bushmills, that's not the only reason. There are others. I appreciate your concern, but it's besides the point, as I've already researched and long-considered the decision to move to Lenny from Hardy Heron. What I need help with now is getting the RAID drives working under Lenny, after which I hope I'll be home free :)
18:12<bobby_n05>what would recommend. cuz this is an hp i feel like i should wash my hands eveytime i touch it. afraid to get hp on me
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18:12<Dracie>bobby_n05, it depends, if you getting a lappie you almost always have to get something retail, if you are building you have the freedom to build your own if you wish
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18:13<treyh0>sampablokuper: just use mdadm
18:13<Dracie>myself I think a cheapo dell always a good canidate
18:13<sampablokuper>Dracie, you may be right about UUIDs. Hmm, I guess that means disconnecting the RAID drives, reconfiguring Grub and then trying them again...
18:13<treyh0>software raid is grrrrrreat
18:13<Dracie>sampablokuper, sounds good :)
18:13<sampablokuper>treyh0, I don't think I can use mdadm from within BusyBox ;)
18:13<bamboos>I can't use "dpkg-reconfigure licb6" to repair the libc6 after incorrect installation ;
18:13<bamboos>;/
18:13<kop>sampablokuper : Wouldn't hurt to use uuids in fstab too.
18:14<Dracie>bamboos, didn't install it from apt?
18:14<treyh0>sure you can
18:14<bobby_n05>well i prolly wont get anything special. something probably that would be a multimedia wet dream so i dont worry about how many videos or pics i download
18:14<bamboos>yes, I installed manually
18:14<Dracie>kop well said
18:14<bamboos>and I was said that it's a wrong way
18:14<Dracie>bamboos, thats a bad idea, even if you generate a package from your modified version would of been better
18:14<bamboos>I used --force to compile
18:14<Dracie>using checkinstall
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18:14<bamboos>but what can I do for now ?
18:15<bamboos>to restore it as well
18:15<sampablokuper>kop, thanks for the suggestion. I haven't actually tried setting things up with UUIDs before, ever. So I've got some homework to do (unless perhaps treyh0 is right about mdadm under BusyBox - I haven't actually tried this)
18:15<Dracie>see if that package has an uninstall option
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18:15<Dracie>since I know my drives pretty well, i haven't bothered with UUID's either
18:16<bamboos>I installed libnet1_1.1.2.1-4_i386.deb
18:16<Dracie>either my master hd is hdb or sda depending on which drive framework the linux is using
18:16<Dracie>bamboos, yeah i really don't know much about the packages you are talking about
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18:16<bamboos>but do you know how to uninstall maybe with "dpkg"
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18:17<Dracie>apt-get remove (packagename)
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18:17<Dracie>apt-ge remove libnet or w/e it is should be suciffint
18:17<bobby_n05>well guys im gonna get out of here. thx for all the help. appreciate it
18:18<Dracie>bobby_n05, np
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18:19<sampablokuper>treyh0, under BusyBox, 'mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd' gives, 'mdadm: device /dev/md0 already active - cannot assemble it'.
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18:19<enouf>sampablokuper: read the docs within /usr/share/doc/mdadm/
18:20<enouf>(sorry - jumping in late .. didn't get the whole story)
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18:20<bamboos>Dracie: whatever I do apt-get gets confused ("libc6: Conflicts: tzdata-etch" & "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch8) but 2.7-16 is to be installed")
18:21<bamboos>Hmmm
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18:21<sampablokuper>treyh0, cat /proc/mdstat shows md0 as active and apparently working properly. I think the problem's probably not intrinsic to the RAID drives but more likely to do with /root now being off sde instead of being off sda.
18:21<Dracie>your using etch i presume and wanted a more modern version of that lib?
18:21<amphi>bamboos: what have you done? mixed repos?
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18:21<Dracie>amphi, he manually installed that package
18:21<sampablokuper>Thanks for the suggestions, all. I'm off to learn about using UUIDs :)
18:21<Dracie>ie make install
18:22<amphi>dear ghod
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18:22<amphi>bamboos: you installed what?
18:22<amphi>bamboos: something from testing?
18:23<bamboos>dpkg -i --force-conflicts libc6_2.7-16_i386.deb
18:23<dpkg>package --force-conflicts libc6_2.7-16_i386.deb is already installed
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18:23*amphi shakes his head
18:23<bamboos>yup, huge mistake
18:23<bamboos>I don't want to reinstall the system :f
18:24<amphi>you need to reinstall the original libc package, if you can
18:24<Dracie>amphi, he manaually installed that package
18:25<Dracie>oops
18:25<bamboos>yea
18:25<Dracie>scrolling didn't work
18:25<Dracie>lol
18:25<amphi>bamboos: did you try?
18:25<bamboos>with apt-get my friend tried hmm
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18:27<amphi>bamboos: what arch? i386?
18:27<bamboos>yes
18:27<bamboos>4.0
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18:28<amphi>bamboos: try wget-ting http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch8_i386.deb & installing with dpkg -i
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18:28<bamboos>oki, will do
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18:30<Dracie>brb time to reboot for dri 3d :D
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18:30<bamboos>omg, it helped I think
18:30<bamboos>thanks
18:30<amphi>it installed without a whimper?
18:31<amphi>then go and sin no more ;)
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18:31<bamboos>of course, uff
18:31<bamboos>gn and merry christmas :D
18:31<amphi>likewise
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18:34<Dracie>huh, looks like that didn't work
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18:37<Dracie>sigh lol
18:37<Dracie>mount: unknown filesystem type 'xfs' poop it ate my xfs module
18:38<amphi>Dracie: you rebuilt your kernel?
18:38<Dracie>Amphi, i don't think so
18:39<Dracie>did that m-a thing for fglrx...
18:39<amphi>what 'ate' the module?
18:39<Dracie>i am not sure, i used module assisant to build fglrx
18:40<Dracie>i dunno, can't load ether fglrx nor xfs
18:40<amphi>'modprobe -l xfs' will show whether you have the xfs module
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18:40<Dracie>ohh i got it
18:41<Dracie>i load it by doing insmod xfs right?
18:41<amphi>modprobe xfs
18:41<toby>wrr I'm again :P
18:41<Dracie>oh hey lol
18:41<Dracie>i'ma silly goose
18:42<amphi>mmm, goose
18:42<Dracie>hmm its weird that on boot it didn't load those modules
18:42<toby>the libc6 is O.K., but it's too old for "apt-get install libnet1-dev"
18:42<toby>"libc6 (>= 2.7-1)"
18:42<amphi>toby: you are on stable?
18:43<Dracie>where does one specify in debian what modules to load on boot?
18:43<toby>I think so
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18:47<toby>cat /etc/ (...) says that it's 4.0
18:47<toby>if it points your better
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18:47<amphi>Dracie: /etc/modules
18:47<Dracie>woot got fglrx to play well now
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18:48<amphi>toby: if you need newer versions of things, consider backports.org, or upgrading to testing (lenny)
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18:49<Dracie>amphi, thanks
18:49<toby>I'm afraid to continue with packages.. as it crashed
18:49<toby>[before]
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18:50<toby>I'm not fortunate to get the right thing
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18:50<amphi>it?
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18:51<toby>the version didn't match so it couldn't be installed correctly
18:52<amphi>toby: where did you get the package that couldn't be installed?
18:52<toby>but the new version of libc6 or lib1-dev ?
18:53<amphi>arrggh, not another one
18:53<amphi>you installed a newer version of libc?
18:53<toby>libc6_2.7-16_i386.deb
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18:53<amphi>dear ghod, it's a plague
18:53<toby>this version doesn't work
18:53<toby>which one does ? :D
18:53<toby>and is the newest, working for me
18:54<amphi>toby: the one in etch
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18:54<amphi>so, you attempted to install a newer libc, and it failed?
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18:55<toby>it couldn't be installed from this version [libc6_2.7-16_i386.deb]
18:55<toby>there was a conflict simply
18:55<amphi>good - your previous incarnation forced it
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18:56<toby>mmm what am I supposed to do then :P
18:56<Dracie>goodie added jfs xfs fglrx to modules now it shouldn't be all wtfish on boots
18:56<amphi>not install lenny packages on etch
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18:57<amphi>toby: wayttd?
18:57<toby>2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 it the newst for etch as well
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18:57<amphi>toby: right
18:57<toby>but it's too old in general
18:57<amphi>so upgrade to testing
18:57<toby>experimental?
18:58<amphi>etch is getting a bit long in the tooth
18:58<amphi>toby: no, testing (lenny)
18:58<Dracie>etch is suppose to be rock solid stable silly dudes :D
18:58<Dracie>i use lenny because it is more modern
18:58<Dracie>and if i want packages that are more modern than that i would use backports
18:59<amphi>Dracie: 'stable' means the versions of sw packaged don't change
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18:59<toby>this: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.7.orig.tar.gz ?
18:59<amphi>toby: lenny is to be released somewhat soon perhaps, and works well - you can dist-upgrade without fear IMHO
18:59<Dracie>hmm
18:59<amphi>toby: what do you mean?
19:00<toby>I'm searching the package
19:00<toby>lenny
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19:00<amphi>toby: 2.7-16 is the version in lenny
19:01<toby>but there's a conflict with tzdata-etch
19:01<toby>as it reports
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19:01<amphi>toby: oh, ffs, stop trying to install lenny packages on bloody etch already
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19:02<Dracie>hmm in order to get sound on my non root user, i have to make group sound and then add that user to sound right?
19:02<amphi>Dracie: add your user to the audio group
19:02<toby>but you told me to get one
19:02<Dracie>amphi, thx
19:02<toby>a test - lenny
19:02<amphi>toby: where did I say that?
19:02<toby>and it is
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19:03<amphi>toby: I said dist-upgrade - update the entire system to the testing branch
19:03<toby>oh entire
19:03<amphi>unless you have some reason not to, of course
19:04<amphi>!tell toby -about etch->lenny
19:04<toby>ircd, services for it running - will it work too?
19:04<amphi>I expect so; I don't run such myself
19:04<toby>oki m8
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19:05<amphi>toby: you can check the bts for bugs relating to packages you are interested in
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19:14<Dracie>what does this mean? alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
19:14<Dracie>it appears i only have one sound module for OSS and when i load it it still gives that error
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19:15<amphi>!tell Dracie -about alsa checklist
19:15<Dracie>ooo thx
19:17<Dracie>kudos works
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19:18<amphi>!rejoice
19:18*dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay."
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19:22<enouf>amphi: was it the pinky? :-p
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19:24<amphi>enouf: perhaps the seventh finger? I've not examoined dpkg's hands, but I suspect they may have more than the regulation number of fingers
19:25<enouf>amphi: hehe .. yeah, probably right
19:25*amphi thinks of the Shadow over Innsmouth
19:25*enouf goes off to trim the beard, so as not to scare the little ones
19:26<amphi>!:e
19:26<dpkg>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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19:29<peppe>cjak
19:30<peppe>jcj
19:30<peppe>j
19:30<peppe>ciao
19:30<peppe>\ server irc.darksin.net
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19:31<peppe>\server irc.darksin.net
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19:36<nrcarrier>Hello. I was wondering if anyone knew of a webcam that would work on ubuntu without much work?
19:36<nrcarrier>or in general just a linux friendly webcam
19:37<nrcarrier>I think I may have joined the wrong room :)
19:37<nrcarrier>If I have, sorry
19:37<amphi>nrcarrier: #ubuntu will probably be better
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19:42<mariouzae>hi
19:43<nickgaw>What is the location to put in sources.list for the expiermental version of debian collection.
19:44<bzed>nickgaw: just use the mirror of your choice, copy the unstable lines and replace unstable by experimental
19:45<nickgaw>should I replace them?
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19:47<Canaris_>I am running xfce4 and i just tried installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, but i cant figure out how to start it
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19:48<mariouzae>hi
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19:49<mariouzae>where are you from Canaris ?
19:49<Canaris_>Germany
19:49<Canaris_>why?
19:49<mariouzae>I so brazilians
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19:50<mariouzae>
19:50<mariouzae>how long you use the debian?
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19:51<kevin>Does anyone know how to get Konqueror to recognize the flash plugin? Running Lenny, and I can't seem to get it to recognize the plugin is there.
19:51<nickgaw>if I change it to experimental and do aptitude update and then dist or full-upgrade I get no packages. How do I force an experimental distribution to turn on or to upgrade?
19:51<Canaris_>well for about a year now. I am used to gnome, but I reallz wanted to try xfce and so far it works great. i just want to change the keyboard lazout to german. i installed xfce4-xkb-plugin, but i cannot get it to start
19:51<Gekz>nickgaw: hahaha
19:52<[machine]>kevin: have you rescanned?
19:52<avu>nickgaw, you don't.
19:52<kevin>machine: Yes.
19:52<kevin>nickgaw: apt will not pull from experimental unless you tell it to.
19:52<[machine]>is it looking in the right places?
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19:52<[machine]>koqnueror finds it fine here
19:53<nickgaw>so how do I use apt to download from experimental what do I nneed to do?
19:53<avu>nickgaw, aptitude install -t experimental foo
19:53<kevin>machine: I have the path set to ~/.mozilla.
19:53<avu>nickgaw, bit really, the fact you have to ask that way sugests that you shouldn't be using packages from experimental
19:53<[machine]>kevin: you installed it manually?
19:54<Canaris_>mariouzae, any idea on how to get it to work?
19:54*[machine] lets apt-get deal with that
19:54<kevin>machine: Yeah. I just cut and pasted the .so file to ~/.mozilla
19:55<mariouzae>Canaris, i use gnome
19:55<kevin>machine: Is there a package I need to do this?
19:55<Canaris_>rebooting...
19:55<nickgaw>is there a way to have gnome start with out requiring hald?
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19:56<Dracie>nickgaw, have you tried stoping hald and seeing if gnome starts?
19:57<nickgaw>how do I do this so it won't run at boot?
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19:58<mariouzae>How to compile the most current kernel in debian lenny?
19:58<Dracie>latest?
19:58<mariouzae>yes
19:59<Dracie>i really have no clue lol
19:59<petemc>mariouzae: /msg dpkg kernel package
19:59<mariouzae>ok
19:59<Dracie>lol now i know... i should compile myself a debian kernel one of these days
19:59<chealer>kevin: use flashplugin-nonfree
19:59<[machine]>kevin: flashplayer-mozilla (from debian-multimedia) or flashplugin-nonfree
20:00<amphi>mariouzae: use make-kpkg
20:00<chealer>mariouzae: what do you mean by the most current kernel in debian lenny?
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20:01<petemc>Dracie: its interesting to do, but dont compile a kernel on a box that you cant afford to break, theres a lot of scope for error
20:01<mariouzae>Eu queria compilar o meu kernel no lenny
20:01<mariouzae>
20:01<mariouzae>I wanted to compile my kernel in lenny
20:01<amphi>!tell mariouzae -about br
20:01<petemc>wrong nick..
20:01<Dracie>petemc, yeah i have built a few kernels, i am just afraid to break compatability with fglrx
20:01<Dracie>surprizingly I have never disabled ELF in a kernel
20:02<mariouzae>ok
20:02<nickgaw>is there a way to make hal not probe the serial ports?
20:02<Dracie>i did disable ext3 filesystem support once on a ext3 root
20:02<mariouzae>
20:02<mariouzae>know any tutorial?
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20:02<petemc>nickgaw: not sure about hal, but you can tell the kernel not to
20:03<Dracie>mariouzae, pretty sure the debian wiki has some stuff
20:03<chealer>mariouzae: if you don't mind, why?
20:03<Dracie>and use the menuconfig
20:03<Dracie>it is your friend
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20:04<mariouzae>thanks
20:04<mariouzae>halt
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20:25<PMT>ping world - anyone have any experience compiling kernel modules via kpkg without using module-assistant?
20:26<petemc>ive done it w/out make-kpkg
20:27<barnes>PMT google for custom kernel debian way
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20:39<PMT>barnes: I've done custom kernel.
20:39<PMT>I have a custom kernel.
20:40<PMT>What I want is to add a module using make-kpkg without the kernel source (I modified the debian/patches/series and dpkg-buildpackage'd, so I don't want to have to go drab a copy of the whole kernel source out of debian/build just for this)
20:40<PMT>petemc: XD that's always exciting.
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20:42<petemc>i havent done it in a while, but i suspect i wouldnt find it that exciting
20:42<petemc>consider me jaded
20:43<PMT>I mean, I used to run Gentoo, I know how that goes.
20:43<PMT>The only interesting part is doing it for Debian.
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20:51<ice2>hello fellow doobies, want to ask you something, i've added line "deb file:/myfolder stable" in sources.list, and put the deb pkgs in /myfolder, but aptitude refuse to run,... anybody know how tp use "file:" protocol in sources.list?
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20:51<petemc>ice2: /msg dpkg own repo
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20:54*PMT ponders.
20:54<PMT>I wish there was a linux-patch-xen.
20:54<PMT>This would make my life so much easier.
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20:56<petemc>after there being no dom0 kernels for so long, the fact lenny has everything needed to run xen is much appreciated
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20:56<petemc>is that the correct use of 'there' ?
20:56<PMT>Yes, but it makes building a Xen+Lustre kernel not something I've figured out how to do.
20:56<PMT>Yes.
20:56<petemc>sweet
20:57<PMT>I'd normally just use make-kpkg --added-patches, but I have no idea how to combine that with the Debian way of building the -Xen version of the kernel.
20:57<cesurasean>ice2: what exactly are you trying to do to your repo?
20:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 347] by debhelper
20:59<ice2>cesurasean: i've downloaded some non official debian pkgs, i've could have them installed by "dpkg -i" but it i need to check all the dependecy manually and it would take a long time, so i prefer using aptitude
20:59<petemc>after using dpkg -i, aptitude -f should pick up the slack
21:01*PMT scratches his head.
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21:09<Dracie>hey how do i install debian flash?
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21:10<Dracie>i mean adobe flash in debian
21:10<ice2>OOT: anybody know why latest kernel use SATA to handle IDE?
21:11<petemc>ice2: you mean scsi?
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21:12<ice2>haaah yes... scsi, sorry... kindof weird huh...
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21:14<Dracie>anyone know where i should get a package for adobe flash ten?
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21:19<chealer>!tell Dracie about adobe flash
21:20<ice2>Dracie: you don;t hv to install, you could copy the binary directly to your browser's plugin folder
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21:22<Dracie>thx
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21:34<danielzhou1986>hi
21:36<Dracie>hay
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21:37<PMT>ice2: it's due to a unification in handling all devices the same way.
21:38<PMT>it usually works really nicely.
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21:42<ice2>PMT: i heard that because they found scsi handles ide better, good idea actually, but still not a proper way i think, why not just update the ide code instead of using the whole scsi module to handle ide...
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21:50<PMT>ice2: it's not precisely the scsi module. I promise.
21:52<snogglethorpe>hmm i though sata was in large part based on a scsi model, so it was natural to try and use existing infrastructure for it
21:52<snogglethorpe>("scsi-like")
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21:55<ice2>PMT: well, it just my stupid thought though :-) , still feel weird having my ide disks which previously named /dev/hd* become /dev/sd* , hope hv more spare time to learn block-dev so i could be part of you guys
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21:59<PMT>ice2: look at it this way. you can use udev to read the identifiers off your disks and name them hd* if you really want.
21:59<PMT>snogglethorpe: SATA is mostly the SCSI protocol with some better things, IIRC.
22:00<PMT>But PATA is also being done by libata these days.
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22:05<simonrvn>hay is for horses
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22:08<sampablokuper>Does anyone here understand encrypted LVM? A few things are puzzling me.
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22:12<sampablokuper>In my /boot/grub/menu.lst, the root line is (hd0,0), which if I'm not mistaken goes to the first primary partition on my hard drive (which is actually a USB drive, and is the only drive currently connected except a CD-ROM drive). But the kernel line includes 'root=/dev/mapper/sousdesk_system_vols-root' and as far as I can tell, that volume is located within the second primary partition. So shouldn't the root line in the m
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22:15<sampablokuper>Oops, clearly the tiredness was kicking in. I get it now...
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22:53<Guest1003>thanks you
22:54<Guest1003>merci
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22:55<sampablokuper>OK, I've got another question about booting. The kopt= line in my /boot/grub/menu.lst reads, 'kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/sousdesk_system_vols-root ro rootdelay=12 vga=791'. Now, at some point during the process of starting up my machine, the kernel (presumably) has to figure out that /dev/mapper/sousdesk_system_vols-root is /dev/dm-1, which is within /dev/dm-0, which is on /dev/sda2. How does it do th
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23:07<sampablokuper>Anyone? I'm struggling to figure this out from the docs.
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23:14<s3a>how do i make moblock (mobloquer) NOT block msn with pidgin?
23:15<squid>hi
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23:16<s3a>o nvm, all i had to do was use http method and tell moblock not to block http
23:24<kapil>sampablokuper: presumably these are lvm2 or evms volumes. in which case the information is read by the corresponding programs
23:26<kapil>ok. i missed your earlier line about using encrypted lvm.
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