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---Logopened Fri Dec 26 00:00:31 2008
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00:05<hugo>I'm pretty surprise debian runs slowe than win98 on this box, even while using the ice or xfce windows managers. Would it be any faster if I used an older kernel?
00:06<hugo>thanks nevsense
00:06<newsense>how much ram you got and swap ?
00:06<newsense>free -m
00:07<hugo>gee I do not know how to run the system monitor in Icewm, I will change to gnome and get back to the room
00:08<newsense>run free -m from a terminal
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00:10<newsense>or cat /proc/meminfo for more information
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00:16<hugo>Hey there again. I'm running debian on an old pentium 750 box. I'm surprised it is slower than the win98 installed on the same box. When writing free -t in the console I get this: Mem: 320772 195824 124948 , Mem: 320772 195824 124948 . Is there anything I can do to boost up performance?
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00:17<hugo>I meant, *celeron* 750
00:18<craigevil>turn off any services you do not need, use a light window manager like openbox/fluxbox
00:19<hugo>thanks craigevil
00:19<craigevil>there are a couple good threads on increasing preformance in the
00:20<hugo>I did try flucbox, but I get no menus, not even an exit menu. I did try xfce and ice and it was pretty much the same. I will try the forums and the turning off services bnow
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00:31<pabs>are there any debuggers that can dump execution traces to text files for later comparison?
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00:37<namespace>pabs, are you a developer? if so, do you use gdb?
00:37<pabs>yes, yes
00:37<namespace>and if you do, try setting the logging on
00:38<pabs>doesn't logging just print the output to a file? I want an exectution trace like: foo.c:1234 \n foo.c:1235 ...
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00:48<namespace>pabs, i don't remember, but it may do what you want
00:49<namespace>it has been some time since i've used gdb
00:49<namespace>i could write a little program and test it out, but not at this time
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00:52<JayEnk>help me please
00:52<JayEnk>help me
00:52<JayEnk>tolong aku yo sederek sederek
00:53<JayEnk>any body here
00:54<JayEnk>!ping me
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01:13<deniz>i have a pentium dual-core e2180 that i want to OC from 2 to 3 ghz, it has a technology that wen i use below 40% of its capacity, it lowers the multiplier down to 6x and in my case making it 1.8 ghz wen below 40%, my question is: is there any software in debian that would allow me to control this behaviour via software and have it always be 1.8 ghz and wenever i need the extra speed to let the multiplier go back to 10x and have it be 3ghz?
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01:23<somae7>the mixmaster man page seems to indicate that mixmaster can be used to send non-anonymous messages but it doesn't tell how to do it - anyone know how - or where there's info on it?
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01:37<enouf>deniz: cpufreq-utils perhaps - see and the kernel /Documentation/cpu* dirs as well
01:38<fxiny>enouf: !! i'm vimperating ;)
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01:39<enouf>fxiny: !@_@!
01:40<fxiny>enouf: layers upon layers : wmii keys + vimperator keys : i'm flying !
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01:55<den>hey there
01:56<kingsley>Can "grep" exclude all lines containing stringA, unless it happens to be followed by stringB? If so, how?
01:56<den>does anyone know what is the difference between KDE4 from experimental branch and from for lenny?
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02:00*JayEnk wes lah nek ra ngerteni wong lagi mumet ra papa
02:00*JayEnk tapi aja kaya kue carane
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02:09<helios>hi all!
02:10<helios>how to join #flood?
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02:15<enouf>den: the ones for Lenny have been backported to work with the other software in lenny (namely the libc6 version? and c++ stuffs? and qt stuffs?) - /msg dpkg backports
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02:16<enouf>den: some features might not be found in the lenny versions, since the needed libs (newest) aren't available to make use of any newly added functionality
02:20<enouf>er .. s/any newly/all newly.. most things should be a go though, as in most backported pkgs... You should pull from exper. only if using Sid (and can deal with bad breakage sometimes/most times) ..But, lately, Lenny has been frozen, so (many of) Sid's pkgs aren't migrating downward into Lenny, so ...Lenny's versions are being left as is, while Sid receives newer pkgs constantly, if apropos ..
02:21<enouf>yet, something being in exper might keep something from migrating into sid as well .. exper is not a release, and contains minimal amount of select pkgs
02:23<enouf>Not to mention; Exper is for developers (as is Sid, really, but) ...(someone please correct me if i misspoke - stated things wrongly) ..
02:23<amphi>'select', heh
02:23<enouf>amphi: hush you! .. is that you can nitpick about? :-P
02:24<enouf>s/that/that all
02:24<amphi>yeah, you're not giving me much :(
02:24*enouf looks down at lame temporary keyboard
02:25<enouf>amphi: heh ;-)
02:27<enouf>amphi: w00h00; "Linux 2.6.28 kernel released on 25 December, 2008. Summary: Linux 2.6.28 adds the first version of Ext4 as a stable filesystem, ...."
02:28<enouf>amphi: "....a fb driver for VIA UniChrome devices,...." :-)
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02:30<enouf>oh my -> 1.2. The GEM Memory Manager for GPU memory
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02:31<den>got it
02:31<amphi>enouf: ah ;)
02:31*amphi blunders of to
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02:39<enouf>amphi: specifically for you ;-) 1.7. Disk Shock Protection ".. See this page for information about Linux support of the hard disk active protection system as implemented in IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads."
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02:58<aligapala>hi everyone
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03:03<duraperidol>i ran an update a few hours ago
03:03<duraperidol>apt-get upgrade
03:03<duraperidol>and it destroyed my system...
03:04<duraperidol>ie, it removed core C++ libs, and after a restart, it got worse.
03:04<fxiny>etch lenny or sid ?
03:05<duraperidol>first irssi would not start, citing that the term was not set,
03:05<fxiny>i always run aptitide -s or apt-get -s
03:05<fxiny>in lenny : aptitude safe-upgrade
03:05<duraperidol>well, now aptitute won't run
03:06<fxiny>lemme boot mine
03:06<duraperidol>here is where I first noticed problems
03:06<duraperidol>in /var/log/apt/tail.0.log
03:06<duraperidol>if I remembered the filename correctly
03:06<duraperidol>pasting three lines
03:06<duraperidol>/usr/bin/mandb: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
03:06<duraperidol>Processing triggers for menu ...
03:06<duraperidol>Setting up libncurses5-dev (5.7+20081213-1) ...
03:06<duraperidol>Setting up libncursesw5 (5.7+20081213-1) ...
03:06<duraperidol>ldconfig: Can't link /usr/lib/ to
03:07<duraperidol>now, there are other errors, post restart, such as "aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
03:07<duraperidol>as a correction
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03:09<duraperidol>the irssi gave an error "irssi: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory', and when you start a bash instance in gnome, (while gnome was operational), it gave an error of: "irssi: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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03:09<fxiny>duraperidol: just checked it : there are no upgrades since yesterday
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03:10<fxiny>lemme see last libc upgrade
03:10<fxiny>iirc couple of days ago
03:11<duraperidol>now, I tried numerous times to flush and resync the actual state of packages versus what the system thinks is a functioning system.
03:11<duraperidol>as you see in the above link, the apt-get autoclean
03:12<duraperidol>completely removed everything (that was inoperable due to deps anyway)
03:12<duraperidol>as of the 25th of december, that is (yesterday, zulu time) that is when issues first were noticed
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03:13<fxiny>i see a linux-libc-dev upgrade on the 23 , same day apt apt-utils , i had no problems upgrading it here
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03:14<fxiny>duraperidol: 25 ? only two libmesa and openbsd-inetd
03:14<duraperidol>fxiny: line 649
03:15<duraperidol>hmm.. well I last updated the system not more than forty eight hours before.
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03:16<fxiny>duraperidol: i'm slowly building my lenny over this holidays , i do daily upgrades , never had problems
03:16<freex>hi all
03:17<fxiny>duraperidol: i have records for : 19 23 25 december
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03:18<duraperidol>fxiny: concerning the pastebin log? line 551 is dated as of 24/12/08
03:19<fxiny>duraperidol: aptitude apt + more on the 19
03:19<fxiny>duraperidol: i'm just giving you upgrades schedule data
03:20<fxiny>duraperidol: i think your problem has nothing to do with upgrades
03:20<fxiny>othwerwise mine should be borked as well
03:21<duraperidol>this started a few hours ago, and a few apt-get's later and this system is kaput. as of line 649.
03:21<duraperidol>regarding the current lib issues. the system was not touched
03:22<duraperidol>other than the routine sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
03:22<fxiny>could it be apt ? i use only aptitude safe-upgrade
03:22<fxiny>we see apt has been upgraded lately
03:23<fxiny>could be that
03:23<duraperidol>and it worked fine, until problems were reported, and I was at a loss as to how it could have been done. yes, I went to aptitude as soon as I realized that apt may have been the culprit, and aptitude would not run
03:23<duraperidol>well, now system logins to tty1
03:23<duraperidol>after luks auth
03:24<duraperidol>startx and any other gui based application (incl. ncurses) is inoperable)
03:24<duraperidol>* -)
03:24<fxiny>i'm just guessing , i can see apt has been upgraded , but as i said i use aptitude
03:24<duraperidol>yes. I use both. aptitude as I like how it handles deps in many ways that apt can not touch.
03:24<duraperidol>hmm, have any ideas for recovery?
03:24<duraperidol>was thinking of using fnx
03:25<duraperidol>and copying the unmounted luks filesystems over to another hd
03:25<duraperidol>reinstalling lenny, and then hoping fer the best.. well
03:25<fxiny>duraperidol: i ran apt onlly to get more detailed logs of packages installed
03:25<duraperidol>aha :-)
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03:27<fxiny>duraperidol: if they add this handy verbosity to aptitude i will use apt to double check what's going on :)
03:28<fxiny>and if they add a specific /var/log detailed logging , with date and such , to aptitude i'll be delighted :))
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03:31<duraperidol>startx and any other gui based application (incl. ncurses) is inoperable)
03:31<duraperidol>sorry fer the repeat line.
03:32<fxiny>does aptitude run ?
03:32<duraperidol>aptitude apt
03:32<duraperidol>aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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03:37<duraperidol>hmm fxiny: know of any tricks to repair or rebuild aptitude?
03:39<fxiny>duraperidol: one day i've seen a guru here helping a user , i believe is possible
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03:42<craigevil>you could try to download use dpkg to install it
03:43<duraperidol>fxiny: :-) debian is definately the place to be. .
03:43<duraperidol>craigdevil: thanks. grabbing it now
03:44<fxiny>duraperidol: it is :)
03:44<craigevil> is the etch version
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03:51<duraperidol>craigevil: thanks.
03:52<duraperidol>apparently the version I have is.. too new.
03:52<craigevil>2.0.18 is lenny
03:53<duraperidol>:-), grabbing. just saw yer comment do the dl link :-)
03:53<craigevil>Version of libsigc++-2.0-0c2a on system is 2.0.18-2 so grab the lenny version
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03:57<duraperidol>io error... hmm.
03:58<craigevil>damn got me, and apt wont work at all even in tty1?
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04:00<duraperidol>sadly not.
04:00<duraperidol>well, I am ssh'd in, and it gives other errors to the poor woman who is attempting to
04:00<duraperidol>use this on console...
04:02<duraperidol>yesterday, the first error was encountered right after the update;upgrade
04:02<duraperidol>was in startish irssi
04:02<duraperidol>where it would not start
04:02<duraperidol>*starting bash + irssi
04:03<fxiny>duraperidol: what if you unar the deb and manually copy and to /usr/lib ?
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04:03<duraperidol>in which bash gave the error of setupterm() failed for TERM=xterm: 0
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04:03<duraperidol>fxiny: thanks. great idea :_)
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04:03<fxiny>duraperidol: we see what happen
04:04<duraperidol>constant "opcodes" where reported being displayed on tty1
04:04<duraperidol>as 7 was down, and xorg was not remotely listening...
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04:08<duraperidol>one question, as I have never untarred a deb before.. i have tried tar -xvjf , xzvf , xf, and zxf. perhaps cpio ?
04:09<duraperidol>on the .deb that is.
04:09<fxiny>duraperidol: ar *.deb | tar xvf data*
04:09<duraperidol>aha :-). ty
04:11<duraperidol>ar did not like that at all.
04:12<duraperidol>this is interesting.
04:12<fxiny>too many debs around ? > ar*.deb
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04:17<fxiny>duraperidol: my bad : ar x *.deb
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04:19<duraperidol>got it
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04:19<duraperidol>i just looked up that cmd when ye typed it.
04:20<duraperidol>ok, now copying the libpam's to /usr/bin if i remember correctly (i cleared buffer)
04:21<duraperidol>lets see now
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04:22<duraperidol>been copied, same error. is there a command to resync the loaded libs?
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04:23<duraperidol>ldconfig -v... sweet.
04:26<duraperidol>alas, not that simple
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04:30<enouf>fxiny: dpkg -x ? :-)
04:32<fxiny>enouf: yes ? that's nice
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04:33<fxiny>enouf: firing up note , note++ :)
04:34<duraperidol>fxiny: put the libs in place. reran apt-get update, apt-get -f upgrade
04:34<duraperidol>and apt found and installed the same .deb
04:34<duraperidol>ldconfig returns a "Bus Error"
04:35<duraperidol>alluding to some kind of mobo/proccessor issue?
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04:37<enouf>!where were you?
04:37<fxiny>enouf: in the bot rehab center :P
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04:57<qdii>i've deleted lots of things using "find -delete" and I was wondering whether there was a way to cancel that operation :/ ?*
04:58<hoxu>yes, restore from your backups
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04:59<hoxu>!tell qdii about undelete
04:59<qdii>unfortunately I made no backup, it was nothing of great importance (only music), but it would be comfortable to recover fill
05:00<qdii>magic !tell doesn't seem to work
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05:02<fxiny>dpkg can't speak nor walk in a straigh line :P
05:02<metalqga>too much partying lately? :P
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05:04<metalqga>btw thanks for reminding me to make a new backup
05:05<hoxu>aptitude tell qdii about undelete
05:06<fxiny>and to remind me that two years ago , i've lost 10 R.E.M cd's in a damned logical partition , still burning :P
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05:07<metalqga>hoxu I already sent him this info
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05:07<hoxu>metalqga, right, you didn't do it on channel so I didn't know :)
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05:08<hoxu>qdii, I'd take it as a lesson and do backup the "nothing of great importance but nice to have" stuff in the future :)
05:09<metalqga>i'm raiding my home partition
05:09<metalqga>and backing up the / partition
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05:11<fxiny>i rsync home and backup only /
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05:20<cess_>hey, can you tell me: is it still a better idea to go for a software than for a hardware raid?
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05:22<Maulkin>cess_: Depends on the situation, but I'd say yes.
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05:23<metalqga>hardware is always better
05:23<metalqga>but I use a software one
05:24<cess_>just want to set up my new system using raid0 at want as little trouble as possible ;)
05:25<Maulkin>cess_: For a start, I woudn't use raid0, but *shrug*
05:25<Maulkin>And hardware isn't always better. Escpecially if you have a cheap controller :)
05:26<cess_>guess I can live with the lack of performance of a software raid, as long as it will be easier to maintain
05:26<cess_>Maulkin, why wouldn't you use raid0?
05:27<metalqga>because you have 2times the chance to lose data
05:27<cess_>aeh right, I meant t say raid 1
05:27<metalqga>yes I'm using raid1 from the howto I sent you
05:28<metalqga>so easy to set up
05:28<Maulkin>Good good. I'd suggest just software unless you're spending lots on a controller
05:28<Maulkin>metalqga: you know that howto is quite out of date, right? :)
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05:28<gsa10132>it's official.. debian doesn't like my AMD K6 2/400mhz.. :/
05:29<metalqga>it works
05:29<Maulkin>metalqga: For a start, d-i now supports raid config internally. And you really don't need to go re-compiling kernels.
05:30<cess_>Maulkin, thanks, looks nice - but Im setting up a new system so I guess Ill use the lenny partitioner to get the raid running
05:30<cess_>aeh metalqga *
05:30<metalqga>well I didn't recompile a thing :P I didnt follow it so closely
05:30<metalqga>it was a general guide and took me 30 mins to set up (add the time for sincyng
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07:13<Cazuza>are you there??
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07:14<Cazuza>are you fine?
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07:24<Sa[i]nT>What's a good tool for scanning and connecting to available wireless networks?
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07:25<metalqga>sth with radar in the name
07:25<metalqga>havent used it much, give it a try though
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07:27<craigevil>wifi-radr, wicd
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07:32<setog3>hi, something (a process maybee), try to acess my hdd all the time (every 2 sec I have an acess), how can I know which process do that ? and how to stop it ? (I am searching for a tool that display all disk acess)
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07:41<fxiny>setog3: run top
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07:42<fxiny>setog3: even better : htop , with htop you can kill it straight away
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08:10<setog3>fxiny: yes but htop and top, don't display disk access
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08:19<blacko>Parent Directory -
08:19<blacko> debian-40r6-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent 19-Dec-2008 17:40 88K
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08:20<blacko>#flood Parent Directory -
08:20<blacko> debian-40r6-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent 19-Dec-2008 17:40 88K
08:20<blacko> debian-40r6-i386-DVD-2.iso.torrent 19-Dec-2008 17:43 88K
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08:20<blacko>can i get help?
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08:22<blacko>ey is it realy debian irc?
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08:23<blacko>which one i must download ?
08:23<metalqga>you want to do what
08:24<blacko>downlad debian
08:24<blacko>there is 4 iso
08:24<metalqga>just download or install
08:24<blacko>which one there is 4
08:24<blacko>4 torrent
08:24<metalqga>stop posting this
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08:25<metalqga>yread this
08:26<blacko>but i must download the 3 ?
08:26<metalqga>you are fast :P
08:26<metalqga>I usually download cd1
08:26<metalqga>CD not dvd
08:26<metalqga>and last time I did a netinst which is like 50mb download
08:27<blacko>ahh icant do net install
08:27<metalqga>then go for cd1
08:27<blacko>so dvd-1 4.37 gb
08:27<blacko>and dvd-2 is just a copy ?
08:28<metalqga>just read the link above
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08:30<eugene_>Hi! I run Ubuntu and have a small problem. I couldn't find advice at the Ubutu channel so decided to search for some help here. Hope that's OK :)
08:30<eugene_>Thanks! Basically the problem is that all the games here crash. The video freezes with some weird artifact on the screen. I ran the hardware test and it says that my resolution is "impossible with fglrx". My resolution should be 1920x1200. I tried installing the latest ATI drivers but that doesn't help
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08:34<rod>some time ago i saw something old but pretty cool... On the nautilus background there was some album art + music controls to manage the current audioplayer
08:34<blacko>can i get pm from one who is average on debian insall ?
08:34<rod>someone has the name of the gdesklet or concky stuff or whats it called? i have been searching for an hour already now : D
08:34<rod>sure blacko whats up?
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08:35<blacko>pm - -
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08:37<dli>!alsa checklist
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08:38<setog3>lm-profiler give me what I want
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08:50<And1>Heya. How do I stop schroot-sessions, if they are still mountet after a reboot, though they aren't used? (So it seems they just were not stopped.)
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09:02<Jelloir>Hi All, Running Lenny with XFCE. I had some wine apps installed which created shortcuts in an "Other" Menu and I have now removed them but the shortcuts are still there. I have removed .config/menus/applications-merged, .cache/sessions/*, .cache/xfce4/desktop/* and made XFCE forget the session on logging out; I also restarted X but the menu/shotcuts are still there. Any ideas on how to remove these?
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09:13<And1>Hey folks. It seems gdm doesn't read/execute my .xsession (or .xinitrc) anymore. Any ideas, what may be the problem?
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09:19<witte>And1: are you sure gdm reads those files? i thought startx did, but gdm didn't
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09:19<Jelloir>Figured it... rm -fr ~/.local/share/* which had some references to the wine apps.
09:20<ramon>i want to delete the file in a usb stick and is protected
09:20<witte>ramon: mount it rw or with user permissions
09:21<And1>witte: I'm not sure. It's just, 2-4 days ago, .xsession was executed - maybe _after_ - I logged in via gdm.
09:21<ramon>witte is mount already
09:21<witte>And1: what did you change, and what is in .xsession-errors?
09:22<witte>ramon: are the permissions of the mount correct?
09:22<ramon>witte how do i know?
09:22<witte>ramon: ls -al /where/usb/is/mounted/
09:23<And1>witte: There's only "/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...".
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09:24<ramon>witte it show me the file on it
09:24<witte>ramon: which permissions
09:24<And1>witte: Some days ago, there was also written, that some actions concerning nvidia-settings were performed. In my .xsession script I also start xcompmgr, set my wallpaper, my cursor, etc... -- And I did not really change anything, the only thing I maybe did was - like every few days - 'aptitude safe-upgrade'. Using Lenny here.
09:24<witte>And1: /etc/gdm/Xsession has some information in it what it does
09:25<witte>ramon: than only root can delete it?
09:25<witte>ramon: or you mount it with read and write permissions, (or as a user) and delete it then
09:25<And1>witte: This file wasn't changed since 24th October.
09:26<ramon>witte whats the command to delete a folder?
09:26<And1>witte: So that shouldn't be the problem, is that right?
09:26<witte>And1: what is in your .xsession?
09:26<witte>And1: i don't think so
09:26<witte>ramon: rm
09:26<And1>ramon: rmdir / rm -r
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09:27<witte>And1: you use xmonad, i think you know more about this than i do :P
09:28<user01>hmm is there an open source app to make email templates with attachments?
09:28<witte>And1: did you install a new nvidia card?
09:28<witte>And1: and can you run the .xsession file without errors?
09:28<user01>user01, i was going to use mailto: with a href but attachments dont seem to be an option
09:29<witte>And1: install new nvidia card ==>> nvidia card driver
09:29<And1>witte: I'm not using a new card. - Lemme try to execute .xsession...
09:29<And1>witte: Mh, don't even think there was an update of the nvidia card driver.
09:29<And1>witte: Hmm, kinda erroneous.
09:30<ramon>witte this crab doesnt want to work
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09:31<witte>And1: I am sorry, i do not really know what that error means...
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09:32<And1>witte: I also don't. - Well, but thanks for trying to help. :)
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09:38<And1>witte: That's maybe interesting. When I just run startx in my console, everything works fine, I mean, everything in .xinitrc/.xsession gets executed.
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09:42<witte>And1: check if gdm is reinstalled recently: grep gdm /var/log/dpkg.log
09:42<witte>And1: or any other package that may cause a change in startup scripts...
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09:56<enouf>fxiny: ! well .., ok so dpkg is on holiday, but am i reconnected? seems so ;-)
09:57<enouf>fxiny: wonderful ... the gf pulling out the adapter for the phone charger also manages to hit the On/Off rocker button on the power strip that powers the router and other things ...
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09:57<fxiny>enouf: i heard your body "stomping" 30 minute ago : are you a spirit ? :P
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09:58<enouf>fxiny: well, i drink enough spirits to qualify :-P
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09:58<fxiny>enouf: ahhhhh : in the name of science ;)
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09:59<enouf>fxiny: fermentation ... the best medicine!
09:59<tzafrir_laptop>any idea how to import albums from picasa-web to digikam?
09:59<tzafrir_laptop>any other album program besides picasa supports it?
10:00<enouf>that almost seems google-answerable, if not in the docs/manpages - otherwise try #debian-kde maybe
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10:02<tzafrir_laptop>enouf, was that referred to me? I naturally tried searching
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10:02<enouf>tzafrir_laptop: yes, ok then ..
10:02<tzafrir_laptop>And it is a bad question for searches, as "import" and "export mean different things in different context
10:02<tzafrir_laptop>and export to picasa webalbum does work
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10:04<enouf>tzafrir_laptop: heh, i also found " PicasaWebExport: Export pictures to Picasa web service
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10:05<enouf>tzafrir_laptop: apt-cache show kipi-plugins says Replaces digikamplugins .. i guess which release of debian you're running
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10:06<enouf>judd: versions digikamplugins
10:06<judd>enouf: digikamplugins --
10:06<enouf>judd: versions kipi-plugins
10:06<judd>enouf: kipi-plugins -- etch: 0.1.2-3 lenny: 0.1.5-4 sid: 0.1.5-4 experimental: 0.1.6-1
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10:11<Alba>hi... good afternoon... i just received an ipod and i cannot seem to be able to use it with debian lenny
10:11<Alba>any ideas?
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10:15<fxiny>Alba: just received ? santa forgot the instructions booklet ?
10:15<fxiny>Alba: ;)
10:15<Alba>hahah fxiny
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10:16<Alba>the instructions seem to be windows only unfortunately
10:16<Lenhix>Hi ppl. Hope you had merry xmas
10:16<Alba>and uncle google is not telling me much either
10:16<Alba>and i dont want to go back to windows *snif*
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10:17<Alba>amarok detects it and exports files but when i unmount it there are no files in the library isnt that lovely?
10:17<fxiny>i was telling you about amarok
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10:18<Alba>it detects it, and lets me export music but when i eject it and turn it on there's nothing in the library
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10:18<Alba>maybe i'm doing something wrong, which is highly possible
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10:19<SIM_EU>anyone uses DeVeDe ?
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10:20<SIM_EU>Greeting MotoHoss
10:20<SIM_EU>Greetings MotoHoss
10:21<Alba>it looks like it is an ipod nano 4th gen
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10:23<SIM_EU>anyone uses DeVeDe ?
10:23<SIM_EU>im getting SPUMUX error
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10:25<GeorgeSawyer>Hello ...Good morning/day ...Within the last two weeks, while doing apt-get upgrade on etch, upgrading the kernel or linux package, I lost my vmlinuz- and initrd.img- files in /boot . It happened when apt-get upgrade gave some error message and suggested using the 'fix' option, '-f'. It then complained something about LILO. I have a multi-boot GRUB system and when I...
10:25<GeorgeSawyer>...tried to reboot, those files were gone. I have replaced the vmlinuz file, but the rescue system on my installation disk after starting a shell on '/' and doing 'su' and 'whereis' doesn't show the command, 'update-initramfs' anywhere. How might I well proceed to build a ram filesystem to boot with, please?
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10:26<fxiny>update-initramfs is in initramfs-tools
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10:27<eddy>don't know :S
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10:30<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, the package system doesn't seem to work on the rescue system; might it just be enough to copy that program?
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10:31<GeorgeSawyer>I shied away from dangerously reinstalling the debian base system; is that right?
10:33<fxiny>i don't know what happened : a kernel removed is unusual
10:34<GeorgeSawyer>I didn't remove it manually. Perhaps the security updating placed it somewhere else?
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10:34<fxiny>no way
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10:34<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>good morning all...
10:35<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: so nothing in /boot ?
10:35<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>is there anyone here that uns Debian with Virtual PC? as soon as the OS is started, I get a screen like this(I can login btw, tho I have the same view in that screen):
10:35<fxiny>and why lilo ?
10:35<GeorgeSawyer>Right! There were absolutely no files at all!
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10:35<pirx_lv>GeorgeSawyer: you said you have multiboot system, maybe you are looking at wrong partition?
10:35<pirx_lv>and that's the reason why boot is empty
10:36<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, I use GRUB and have never answered its question about which to use, so it defaults to setting up for LILO, I guess.
10:36<GeorgeSawyer>Fxiny, I had GRUB set up previously to installing Debian etch.
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10:37<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: pirx_lv suggestions is interesting : lilo/grub . hmmm are you sure that is the right partition ?
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10:38<GeorgeSawyer>I have looked in hda2 where GRUB is, and in hda7 /boot , where Debian is, and no files. Also, I think I have always told Debian not to install a bootloader.
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10:40<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, hda2 has files, just not the debian ones anywhere in the tree.
10:40<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>is there anyone here that uns Debian with Virtual PC? as soon as the OS is started, I get a screen like this(I can login btw, tho I have the same view in that screen):
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10:41<pirx_lv> Ryuuku]yayoi]era: looks like you are using wrong video driver for X
10:42<pirx_lv>have you tried logging into console?
10:42<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>well, I tied vesa and the default one
10:42<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>I only have probs with X...
10:42<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>I can do everything else...
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10:43<pirx_lv>don't know about VirtualPC, but I remember, that vmware had "install drivers" somewhere in menus
10:43<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>I..think I ahve found something
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10:43<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: apt-get f option ? man apt-manual
10:44<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>some1 says taht virtual PC is nto supporting 24 bit color... so I must set it to 16...
10:44<fxiny>... Using force-yes can potentially destroy your system! ...
10:45<reece>hi i need help with wifi and updating
10:45<pirx_lv>GeorgeSawyer: maybe you can try to use initrd.img from installation cd?
10:45<pirx_lv>together with kernel from same source?
10:45<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, on the rescue system, whereis apt-get doesn't find that program.
10:45<fxiny>man apt-get
10:46<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: there is more then vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686
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10:47<haygus>i have jsute installed sensors for cpu temp
10:47<haygus>how configure ?
10:47<GeorgeSawyer>pirx_lv, thanks for pointing the easiest direction to use the files, initrd and vmlinuz from the installation CD. :)
10:48<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, unfortunately, on the rescue system, I can't seem to access 'man' either.
10:48<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>:< did not work :<
10:48<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, how did you mean, more than vmlinuz...686?
10:49<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: it just says the you can destroy your system , you said f option
10:49<mjk>After my Hitachi Deskstar decided to go Deathstar, I'm trying to expert-install a new Debian Testing via Testing's netboot.tar.gz from 2008-10-29 (no other option for). After selecting "Download installer components", the d-i simply hangs. If I select "stable" instead, it seems to work. How can I directly install Testing via netboot w/o stable + upgrade to testing?
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10:50<mjk>option for -> option for me
10:50<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, you mean apt-get upgrade -f , as it suggested? Uh-oh!
10:50<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: lib modules
10:50<fxiny>is not just two files missing
10:50<reece>anyone help with wifi isues?
10:51<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny do you mean that should be in /boot, or removed elsewhere?
10:51<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: yes , maybe -f said : removing kernel ?
10:51<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>great... teh X11 dir disappeared o0
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10:51<Lenhix>I have a "problem" with Konsole. I configured the keyboard repeat delay to minimum and it works fine except in Konsole. Any ideas?
10:51<fxiny>haygus: lm-sensors ?
10:51<pirx_lv>Ryuuku]yayoi]era: have you seen this ->
10:51<fxiny>Lenhix: kde has a control center for that
10:52<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>no, thanx for the link
10:52<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, what leads you, please, to think that?
10:52<Lenhix>I know, there I configured the keyb delay to min
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10:53<Lenhix>But seems that delay doesn't apply to Konsole and I still don't know why
10:53<mjk>hungus: Maybe the script 'sensors-detect' (part of lm-sensors) is enough.
10:53<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: your kernel disappeared and you remember some f option
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10:53<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny, this was just an upgrade of a few packages, not an upgrade from sarge; do you still think so?
10:53<fxiny>mjk: yes !
10:53<Lenhix>GeorgeSawyer: Have you tried using rescue mode from installation CD?
10:53<mjk>haygus: Maybe the script 'sensors-detect' (part of lm-sensors) is enough. It should ask to add the proper modules to the appropriate config files.
10:54<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: it sounds pretty weird , just trying to guess
10:54<mjk>fxiny: Hi there =)
10:54<fxiny>mjk: you back ?
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10:54<mjk>fxiny: A litte. :-}
10:54<mjk>fxiny: I'm an old, broken man. ;-)
10:54<fxiny>mjk: heheeh
10:54<haygus>mjk, yeah sensors-deteck and then ? answer yes ?
10:54<Lenhix>This could be a crazy option: wouldnt copying the initrd.img and those lost files from another achine work?
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10:55<mjk>haygus: I'd say so (can't test right now, computer broken)
10:55<metalqga>you are man who I speak with in the terminal? :P
10:55<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny: I remember reading the apt-get manual saying that the option, '-f' was for 'fix'; no problem; thanks for the help! :)
10:55<fxiny>Lenhix: and what about the modules ?
10:56<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: fix ? lemme double check
10:56<Lenhix>Uh.. that's why I said that could be a crazy idea
10:57<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: oh yes ! still it removes packages
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10:58<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>YES! IT WORKS!
10:58*Ryuuku]yayoi]era is happy panda
10:58<fxiny>but why lilo ? who wnats lilo ?
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10:59<GeorgeSawyer>Lenhix: Thanks; I have the vmlinuz already copied and I will try it or the rescue CD's with its initrd file (thanks, pirx_lv). :)
10:59<Lenhix>Ok, good luck with that
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10:59<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny: It removes packages! How do you know?
11:00<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: yu try that ? lemme know what happens , i0m curious
11:00<mjk>fxiny: As opposed to GRUB, lilo can be configured with key shortcuts like 'l' for Linux or 'o' for old. Some ppl might love that feature (like me =)
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11:01<mjk>fxiny: Though I just use GRUB currently, as I don't have the nerves to install and configure too much non-standard things.
11:01<Ryuuku]yayoi]era>well, Imma leave you all, since I myself won't be any help here
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11:02<GeorgeSawyer>fxiny: Thanks for the tip on 'apt-get upgrade -f' possibly removing packages. :)
11:02<metalqga>GeorgeSawyer just read before answering y(es)
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11:03<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: fixing dependencies usually means removing "offending" packages or force installing packages , i do hate any -f
11:04<fxiny>when upgrading i've seen some weird aptitude scores -xxxx
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11:05<fxiny>mjk: the only think i like is the name : lilo sounds nice . grub sounds raucous but it rocks
11:07<fxiny>GeorgeSawyer: i always do : apt-get or aptitude -s install , if i read remov* i take my time
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11:08<fxiny>mjk: oh anyway is nice to hear you again
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11:09<mjk>fxiny: Thx, glad to see you, too =)
11:10<pirx_lv>speaking about names "grubo" in russian means "rude" :)
11:10<mjk>pirx_lv: Oh great =)
11:10<metalqga>and kurva?
11:12<pirx_lv>metalqga: don't know exactly (russian isn't my mothers tongue), but it's used offensive
11:12<pirx_lv>as i recall, something like bitch
11:13<mjk>It probably means "woman with low moral attitude". ;-)
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11:19<fxiny>ahhhh grand unif* loader a damn : according to gog-magog grub has to do wit digging like in "grubbed carrots with a stick" . looney tunes !
11:19<pirx_lv>empty /proc/acpi/fan means, that I have no acpi controlled fans?
11:20<fxiny>form now on i will say : lemme grub it , i'll grub for it . sooo nerdish :P
11:22<fxiny>enouf: no porbs , we can grub it :P
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11:33<enouf>fxiny: mmm .. grubs .. gotta run for now, see ya ;-)
11:33<fxiny>enouf: he
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11:34<pirx_lv>does nobody have answer to my acpi question?
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11:35<pirx_lv>googling says so
11:36<pirx_lv>but browsing around, i found cooling_deviceX files somewhere in /sys
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11:39<mjk>gotta go, my h/w seems more broken than I thought ... will visit a friend w/ working h/w and net to surf for new h/w. :-)
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11:53<GeorgeSawyer>Bye: thanks!
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12:13<tuxcrafter>hi everybody, i forgot the name of a command that can be used to check the avalibility of a package cross repositories
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12:13<tuxcrafter>and it is not apt-cache policy package name
12:13<tuxcrafter>somebody knows the command i am lookgin for
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12:14<tuxcrafter>lookgin/looking <!
12:15<tuxcrafter>!tell tuxcrafter about lenny security
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12:33<gsa10132>getting a "kernel sync fatal error" when trying to install debian (650mb iso from any ideas?
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12:34<gsa10132>right after entering DNS (not that I think it's related, but rather for reference as to when it crashes)
12:37<U-boot92>tuxcrafter, #aptitude search <package name> ?
12:39<enouf>pirx_lv: see
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12:39<U-boot92>gsa10132, stable or testing?
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12:44<enouf>gsa10132: laptop? pcmcia? which exact ISO?
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12:47<gsa10132>enouf: my good old K6 2/400mhz .. 256ram, nothing fancy.. its cd1 of the of debian etch (r6) package
12:48<gsa10132>I just had a working installation of ubuntu-server, so the computer setup is not totally linux hostile
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12:49<gsa10132>is there an install command to supply for a very generic/basic install?
12:49<gsa10132>or is that what hitting Enter does?
12:51<enouf>gsa10132: see f1-f10, but the installation guide is much more detailed
12:52<enouf>gsa10132: see, that error is very specific, however i don't know the correct remedy offhand
12:52<gsa10132>could the issue be connected to the framebuffer you think? (its a 3dfx card in the computer btw) Theres an error message about that right before the installation starts
12:54<enouf>gsa10132: look on alt-f4 for any other specific messages - try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" at the boot prompt, though i presume that's not relevant - that's a k62, and so doesn't suffer the original k6 bug? you need a -486 (or -586, but not -686) kernel IIRC
12:54<enouf>gsa10132: possible .. sure
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12:56<enouf>gsa10132: i would say avoid all the install+*gui* options at the boot prompt, there are other various things, like "acpi=off nolapic" you could try as well
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12:56<enouf>IOW, use one of install, expert, rescue, not the gui variants
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12:57<enouf>gsa10132: i'm on an intel 350MHz 512MB RAM here on a 2.6.26 - started on a 2.4.27 - nothing fancy ;-)
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12:59<gsa10132>enouf: cool :) I'll give this some serious time later on tonight.. thanks for your input!
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13:17<pirx_lv>enouf: thanks! So, /proc/acpi is depreciated interface, although almost all info I found on web references on it
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13:19<simonrvn>pirx_lv: yeh, stuff gets old...
13:21<pirx_lv>ok, so maybe someone can lead me to info, how to configure so called "thermal points" for acpi?
13:22<Aleric>Where is the dpkg bot?
13:22<pirx_lv>IMHO my laptops fan starts at too low temperature
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13:26<metalqga>aleric try aptitude
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13:29<tuxcrafter>i found the command i was lookinf for: rmadison
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13:40<gsa10132>EIP: [<d097c981>] rhine_interrupt+0x158/0x59d [via_rhine] SS:ESP 0068:cc6cde0c<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
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13:41<gsa10132>Would anyone know where to start looking for errors?
13:41<gsa10132>via_rhine is the network no?
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13:53<simonrvn>gsa10132: it's your NIC, yes. sounds like kernel bug. stick that in google and see. may want to start with via-rhine kernel panic
13:54<simonrvn>and maybe that function too, rhine_interrupt
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13:56<sphenxes>is there a program in debian that can open "rar" archive?
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13:57<patarok>could somebody give me a good howto for installing the fglrx for an ati radeon9600 in etch?
13:57<the-me>!dpkg fglrx
13:57<the-me>hmm, how was it?
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13:58<the-me>oh, the bot is missing.
13:58<newsense>unrar unrar-nonfree
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13:59<sphenxes>newsense, thanks
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14:00<cry5t4l>hello everyone
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14:01<cry5t4l>Is somebody know how I can turn off autologing in xandross
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14:05<nosklo>cry5t4l, maybe in #xandros
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14:06<nosklo>cry5t4l, on FreeNode
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14:07<phrhd>hi, can anyone tell me if why debian's /dev/hda is /dev/sda in ubuntu?
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14:07<bzed>phrhd: that's not a question of debian or ubuntu, but of the kernel
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14:08<phrhd>i was just wondering because i tried to access an encrypted debian drive with an ubuntu live cd
14:08<bzed>phrhd: the move to sda was doen more early in ubuntu I think, not sure what the status in debian is
14:08*bzed doesn't use debian kernels since years
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14:09<phrhd>ok, so that is all ok...
14:09<simonrvn>phrhd: they're using the sata sub-system, which uses the scsi sub-system. this is an #ubuntu question, since it has to do with how they configure their kernels.
14:10<phrhd>ok, i just don't need to know that in detail. just wanted to verify that is ok
14:10<bzed>didn't even the old pata stuff move to sd* recently?
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14:26<gsa10132>simonrvn: thanks, I'll google
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14:28<gsa10132> seems to be exactly
14:28<gsa10132>the problem I have. Looks like the problem has been introduced with
14:28<gsa10132>2.6.26, so it's really a regression.
14:28<gsa10132>Tried the Installer from 29. Oct. 2008 (AFAIK RC1) as well as the
14:28<gsa10132>daily snapshot from today (5. Nov. 2008).
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14:28<gsa10132>sorry.. was two lines, I think I found my problem and got overwhelmed..
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14:32<wedge>Salve gente
14:33<wedge>Sono nuovo
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14:33<wedge>Chi mi aiuta?
14:34<@Ganneff>wedge: speak english please. or try #debian-it
14:34<wedge>Excuse me
14:34<wedge>But i'm a new
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14:34<wedge>There is a command for use this chat?
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14:35<wedge>There are*
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14:35<wedge>Can you answer me?
14:36<gsa10132>wow... "install pci=noacpi" actually seem to have solved the issue..
14:36<bzed>wedge: /join #debian-it
14:36<wedge>slah join?
14:36<wedge>Tnk u
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14:40<viandante>buonasera atutti sono nato in linux circa 5 giorni fa e aiutoooooooooo
14:41<nosklo>viandante, please speak english, or try #debian-it
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14:44<helios>i try to install nvidia drivers for my 8800 gts 512 on amd64 system. i use etch-and-a-half distributive plus etch 4.0r6. my kernel is 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
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14:44<helios>and i can not ; (
14:45<helios>help me
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14:46<helios>i try # m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
14:46<helios>but there an error
14:47<chealer>helios: how can you be helped?
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14:48<helios>how to install this drivers on 40r6 amd64/
14:49<bzed>helios: try m-a a-i nvidia
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14:49<helios>i tryed it
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14:50<bzed>use m-a -t a-i nvidia
14:50<bzed>and put the error on
14:51<helios>build failed
14:51<chealer>helios: etch doesn't have an nvidia driver version which supports your card. did you consider using Debian lenny?
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14:52<helios>does not have?! how it may be?
14:52<helios>it is STABLE!! i can not belive
14:53<chealer>helios: what does output?
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14:55<chealer>helios: software stability refers to buggyness, not the features
14:55<helios>now i try to get script...
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14:59<helios>i run it
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15:01<helios>it script tell: our card is onl supported by 173.14 legacy which not in etch
15:01<chealer>helios: right. so, did you consider using Debian lenny?
15:02<helios>only etch
15:02<helios>i want to use houdini software, it support only etch
15:02<helios>not only, but support ecth
15:04<helios>how can i use consider lenny?
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15:05<chealer>helios: you can upgrade to lenny. but I can't guarantee your houdini software will still work unless you describe it.
15:06<sidcley>como faço pra ver o pessoal do virtual life?
15:06<erKURITA>uhm, what was it again
15:06<helios>in fact, houdini support lenny, but not so good as etch
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15:06<chealer>erKURITA: the bot is MIA
15:06<erKURITA>thought so
15:06<erKURITA>damn it
15:07<erKURITA>man must be drunk in a dark alley
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15:07<helios>how to upgrade to lenny?
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15:08<chealer>helios: if you want to upgrade to lenny, see the link I wrote to you
15:08<helios>may be better a new install?
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15:09<erKURITA>in most cases, yes
15:10<chealer>helios: reinstalling is unlikely to give a significantly better result
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15:12<helios>but... may be 8800 gts supports? this cardmanufakturing 2-3 years
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15:12<helios>i can not believe in it... : (
15:12<chealer>helios: lenny "supports" your card, yes
15:12<helios>no!!! etch
15:12<erKURITA>oh boy...
15:13<chealer>helios: etch does not support your card, as the script indicated
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15:13<helios>etch is bad distributiv?
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15:13<helios>why it not support?
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15:15<chealer>helios: no, but etch was released in April 2007. you card was released in December 2007. The team packaging the NVIDIA drivers for Debian lacks manpower.
15:15<helios>etch 40r6 released 19 december 2008!!
15:16<helios>my question still - why?!
15:16<helios>i download 3 dvd iso 15 of hours
15:16<weasel>why on earth would you download 3 dvds?
15:17<weasel>also, doesn't bpo have an nvidia packages?
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15:17<chealer>helios: Debians revisions (in your case, revision 6), does not change much to Debian. in this case in particular, since the Debian NVIDIA Maintainers lack manpower, no improvement was done on nvidia drivers in Etch since the release of Etch.
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15:18<chealer>weasel: no
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15:19<helios>how to better get lenny? download dvd's or netinst?
15:19<chealer>helios: so what you downloaded almost entirely reflects the state of Debian as of 2007-04-08
15:20<chealer>helios: no, just upgrade, as indicated in the link I wrote to you above
15:24<helios>exist somewhere sources.list for example for lenny?
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15:27<chealer>helios: yes, but just try it and tell us if you have issues
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15:28<helios>in my file is cd-images - i must delete it strings?
15:28<chealer>helios: which desktop environment do you use?
15:28<helios>cd-images of etch
15:28<chealer>helios: you do not have to, but you can
15:28<helios>with gnome or with custom
15:29<chealer>helios: in Synaptic, go to Settings -> Repositories, and just change the sources to lenny
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15:36<mihkel>Hi, does apt-get and aptitude keep separate databases for installed packages?
15:36<mihkel>If so where are they
15:37<helios>but synaptic is GUI, i can not start X
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15:37<helios>now i upgrade with aptitude
15:37<helios>with your tutorial
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15:38<helios>(i use 2st computer to irc)
15:39<rickbot>time to learn vim
15:40<rickbot>helios: trying to change repos?
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15:44<schmichael>whats a good tool for deciphering whats eating up memory on a more granualar level than ps or top?
15:44<helios>trying to upgrade to lenny : )) i simply change etch to lenny in sources.list
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15:44<schmichael>i'm currently playing with memstat but it seems old and buggy (lots of /dev/zero lines)
15:44<chip>any Xen users alive this good day?
15:44<helios>now it installing
15:44<rickbot>helios: ok, so you changed sources.list already?
15:44<schmichael>helios: i upgraded a server a couple of weeks ago and it was amazingly easy
15:45<rickbot>if so: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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15:45<helios>no, i change once and aptitude work now for upgrade
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15:46<helios>aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade
15:46<helios>my way
15:46<rickbot>i've never used aptitude but if it works, good luck
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15:48<schmichael>i have an apache process soaking up 140 MB of memory and i can't figure out why...
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15:48<rickbot>schmichael: tried htop?
15:48<schmichael>rickbot: i know what process it is
15:48<rickbot>more info than top
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15:49<schmichael>VmData: 143896 kB
15:49<mihkel>Does aptitude keeps its database in /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates and apt-get keeps it in /var/lib/apt/extended_states
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15:49<mihkel>or what?
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15:52<rod>hi i know you guys dont have skill and are unfriendly but whats the metacity/compiz theme opensuse is using, please?
15:52<cahoot>nice intro
15:52<schmichael>i should try phrasing my questions that way
15:53<weasel>well, he's this --><-- close to being gone
15:53<newsense>!idiot rod
15:53<schmichael>dear worthless excuses for human beings please solve my problems for me
15:53<barnes> haha best ever
15:53<weasel>dpkg is missing
15:54<newsense>i see that now
15:54<newsense>well anyways rod your idiot number 420
15:54<rickbot>at least he got attention
15:54<rod>420 is a good number
15:54<newsense>why i udsed it :)
15:54<newsense>did ya check or such ?
15:55<rod>no but really guys... I know it is the default compiz theme, but i just cant get it activated... It just runs the currently selected metacity theme
15:55<rod>while I got compiz running eh, with wobbly bobbly and everything
15:55<schmichael>anyone know what [ anon ] lines in pmap are?
15:57<helios>when lenny be stable?
15:57<helios>how time left?
15:57<rod>when duke4ever comes hahahaha
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15:58<helios>: )
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15:58<schmichael>helios: who knows. its quite stable right now
15:58<helios>i want to storage a distributive local
15:58<helios>5 dvds!!!
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16:00<helios>1000 mb to get
16:02<barnes>helios why do you wanna do that before its released?
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16:08<schmichael>Green: hello. there are lots of people here, so its best just to ask your question and wait for a response
16:08<angasule>hmm, k9copy isn't in debian? :?
16:09<Green>Oh don't really have a question. Just installed xubuntu and I'm completely new to Linux so I'm just trying things out.
16:09<SIM_EU>anyone uses DeVeDe ?
16:09<craigevil>its in the repo
16:10<SIM_EU>what is k9copy ?
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16:10<craigevil>angasule: dmm
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16:10<SIM_EU>can you help me ?
16:10<angasule>SIM_EU: k9copy converts DVD9 to DVD5
16:11<schmichael>Green: ah, well welcome to linux! this is a debian-specific channel, so you might want to go to #xubuntu on freenode instead
16:12<Green>Great! Thx.
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16:13<SIM_EU>angasule i need to convert divx to DVD
16:14<angasule>SIM_EU: I have never done that
16:14<SIM_EU>i'm using DeVeDe, but i'm having some problems
16:15<craigevil>SIM_EU: take a look at vive
16:16<SIM_EU>angasule whats that ?
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16:17<angasule>SIM_EU: why do you keep talking to me?
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16:17<SIM_EU>your answering me
16:20<schmichael>sorry to keep asking pmap related questions, but does anyone know how to figure out where this came from:
16:20<schmichael>0809e000 492780K rw--- [ anon ]
16:20<schmichael>^ from using pmap on a huge apache process
16:20<schmichael>is there a better channel for me to be trying?
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16:22<kirdux>hi :P
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16:26<rod>hi Bitches :D
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16:34<reece>anyone help with wifi?
16:34<schmichael>reece: its best to just ask your full question and wait for a response
16:35<reece>how do I set up wifi on debian, i can not currently find my wifi adapter in the network list
16:36<cahoot>reece: what device is it?
16:36<cahoot>chipset, usb, pci?
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16:37<reece>one built into my sony vaio ill try and find out for you now
16:37<cahoot>try lspci -n
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16:38<reece>00:00.0 0600: 1002:cbb2 (rev 02)
16:38<reece>00:01.0 0604: 1002:7010
16:38<reece>00:03.0 0703: 10b9:5457
16:38<reece>00:04.0 0401: 10b9:5451 (rev 02)
16:38<reece>00:06.0 0680: 10b9:7101
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16:38<cahoot>err lspci -k
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16:39<reece>ok not doing that again
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16:39<cahoot>my bad anyway try lspci -k
16:39<schmichael>reece: is your friend
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16:40<reece>-k just shows the lspci options
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16:41<cahoot>ok try lspci -v
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16:43<schmichael>reece: looks like an Atheros chipset, which is good news!
16:43<cahoot>what kernel? uname -r
16:43<reece>-v output =
16:44<schmichael>reece: i used to use the madwifi drivers with my atheros based wifi
16:44<reece>when i used the madwifi it found it last time but then wouldnt actually connect to the internet
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16:45<schmichael>reece: any chance you can upgrade to lenny? i don't know if that will help but linux wifi has come a long way since etch
16:45*schmichael assume you're using etch
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16:46<schmichael>i'd just go for lenny. its been extremely stable for me and will be released soonish
16:46<reece>i just downloaded the newest disk from the debian website and installed
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16:47<reece>i thought etch was the newest lol
16:47<schmichael>oh it is
16:47<schmichael>the newest official stable release that is
16:47<schmichael>which with debian means it could be many years old :-/
16:47<schmichael>fine for servers, a bit frustrating for desktop users
16:48<grete>greetings - I installed Lenny from DVD's, now I have access to internet - what do I need to add to repositories to update from online ?
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16:48<schmichael>grete: deb lenny main contrib non-free
16:48<reece>ok ill see if madwifi works if not looks like a lenny upgrade
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16:50<grete>one more question - I installed Lenny in Romanian - but I want to add German Russian and English - what do I need to do ?
16:50<cahoot>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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16:53<angasule>great, k9copy is crashing
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16:53<reece>thanks for your help halfway through madwifi install now
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16:54<reece>installed, guess i have to restart for it to work
16:55<reece>be back in a second
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17:00<reece>its activating ath0 now
17:00<SIM_EU>DeVeDe anyone uses it ?
17:00<schmichael>reece: thats good news!
17:01<reece>so now when i unplugh the ethernet cable i should stay connected
17:03<reece>has it worked?
17:03<schmichael>reece: i still see you
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17:04<schmichael>CTCP PING reply from reece: 0.723 seconds
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17:04<reece>i couldnt get on google :S or any nother website
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17:04<reece>ill try static ip
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17:05<schmichael>hm, sounds like dhcp isn't updating your resolv.conf
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17:06<reece>ok ill try again
17:06<schmichael>here's a google ip to try: 14:00 < reece> its activating ath0 now
17:06<schmichael>wrong paste ;-)
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17:07<reece>is it working?
17:07<reece>its not worked again
17:08<schmichael>not worked as in dns resolution isn't working? or not working at all?
17:08<reece>any ideas>
17:08<schmichael>what do you mean not working?
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17:09<schmichael>are you using network manager or doing everything by hand?
17:09<reece>“” could not be found.
17:09<reece>Check that you are connected to the internet, and that the address is correct.
17:09<reece>If this page used to exist, you may find an archived version:
17:09<reece>when i try to brows the web
17:10<reece>network manager
17:10<schmichael>k, so it connects to your wifi network fine?
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17:10<reece>well my router is finding it
17:10<kurumin>alô morimoto
17:10<reece>my laptop sees my card
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17:10<reece>but when i unplu the ethernet cable no internet
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17:12<schmichael>when you click on the network manager (aka nm) icon do you see your wifi network?
17:13<kurumin>algum brazuca no irc????????
17:14<reece>i go to desktop>admin>network settings and only see my wireless card which it says is active
17:15<schmichael>kurumin: this is an english only channel, there are some language specific channels such as #debian-es
17:15<schmichael>reece: ok, but if you click the nm icon in your panel tray does it give you a list of wifi networks to choose from?
17:16<kurumin>tanks schmichael
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17:16<pirhacks>ciao a tutti
17:17<kurumin>but stay here
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17:17<kurumin>for know more
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17:21<reece>yeah its there
17:21<schmichael>and what happens if you select your wifi network?
17:22<reece>but it just keeps connecting, should i try removing the WEP key
17:23<reece>keeps trying to connect*
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17:23<schmichael>ah, i've been in that position before with a different driver/chipset
17:23<Lethalman_>reece: you shouldn't use WEP
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17:23<reece>what should i use
17:24<schmichael>WEP is pretty worthless anyway
17:24<schmichael>WPA is preferred
17:24<Lethalman_>reece: WPA2 with a very very very long password
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17:25<reece>ok so iv jsut changed to WPA2 with a long password
17:25<helios>what kernel version must be with lenny?
17:26<Gathond>WPA is also close to broken (for sort packages from the AP to the card anyway) so WPA2 is the way to go
17:26<Gathond>reece: well you have to use the same as the AP does
17:26<Gathond>reece: and the password should be random as well as long (62-64 hex chars)
17:27<Gathond>or that one is probably not restricted to hex
17:29<reece>well it only lets me enter a WEP key
17:30<Gathond>is it old?
17:30<Lethalman_>helios: should be 2.6.26
17:31<Lethalman_>Gathond: 64 chars not hex
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17:31<helios>i upgrade from etch to lenny on amd64, but kernel old - 2.6.24
17:32<Lethalman_>helios: weird, do an aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
17:32<reece>the laptop was bought like 5 years ago
17:32<Gathond>I really ought to replace this WPA2-psk thing with some radius setup anyway
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17:32<Lethalman_>Gathond: gah! why? radius is used for a more complex network
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17:33<Gathond>Lethalman_: session keys
17:33<Gathond>new key for every connection/timeinterwal instead of the fixed PSK one
17:33<helios>i use this commands
17:34<helios>result none
17:34<Lethalman_>Gathond: I think changing the key every 1-2 months is enough :P
17:34<schmichael>Lethalman_, Gathond: is the NSA on your tails? :-P
17:34<Gathond>Lethalman_: but why bother when you can automate it:)
17:34<Lethalman_>schmichael: :D
17:34<Gathond>schmichael: no, I just believe in being slightly more paranoid than my neighbor in these matters:)
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17:35<schmichael>no kidding
17:35<schmichael>i just block based on macs :-P
17:35<schmichael>actually i guess i use wpa now
17:35<Lethalman_>schmichael: mac spoofing? :)
17:35<Gathond>I don't care about blocking macs, provides no security anyway
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17:36<schmichael>in a residential area like i live in, its fine
17:36<schmichael>especially since all of my private data is encrypted via ssl or ssh anyway
17:36<schmichael>which is *much* more secure than the wireless security flavor of the month
17:36<Lethalman_>schmichael: i wouldn't think so... also here it's quit enough but.... a friend asked me to crack a password... then I've understood even the most quit place isn't quiet!
17:37<Gathond>well, not really I bet your ssl implementation uses the exact same AES algorithm as WPA2 uses
17:37<Gathond>well at least per default
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17:37<schmichael>there's a lot more to security than the encryption algorithm
17:37<Gathond>of cause they still use a session key
17:37<Gathond>which is my main gribe with wpa2-psk
17:37<schmichael>i still think you guys are nuts ;-)
17:38*Lethalman_ would had wished a router with wifi access logging...
17:38<schmichael>i'm really not worried if someone steals my wifi for a few days before i notice
17:38<schmichael>and just using plain old wpa, i feel pretty safe
17:39<Lethalman_>free wifi is not a bad idea, sounds like free software :)
17:39<schmichael>now when i setup wifi at a school i used radius and all that fancy stuff
17:39<schmichael>because they can't just let anyone hop on their network or sniff their traffic
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17:40<schmichael>but for home use? pfft... there are bigger things to worry about in life :)
17:41<Lethalman_>schmichael: yeah especially when people sends spam from your IP and I receive that spam
17:41*Lethalman_ is joking ;)
17:41<schmichael>ha, yeah that'd be bad i suppose
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17:42<schmichael>but that would require a computer near me to be zombied and hacking wifi networks instead of using its existing network connection
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17:44<schmichael>and wpa isn't "almost" cracked. a weakness was discovered in 1 of the 2 available algorithms iirc
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17:44*phorce1 forces MACs for router security. Annoying if I need to use a new laptop that hasn't been added yet but a bit harded to spoof sice they need to find the MAC's of my nics rather than jacking an open-air session key
17:44<reece>how do i get connected to my network then
17:44<schmichael>reece: ha, sorry. forgot about you
17:44<schmichael>time to start checking logs i'm afraid
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17:45<schmichael>use "sudo less /var/log/messages" and press the End key to see if there's anything wifi related
17:45<schmichael>/var/log/syslog is probably a good place to check as well
17:45<Gathond>phorce1: but if they have jacked the open air session key they have that from a package which includes the MAC in use there
17:46<schmichael>Gathond: if they've done that, they've earned the use of my network ;-)
17:46<Gathond>phorce1: so the MAC filter does not really hinder them at all at that point, so why bother with the trouble
17:46<schmichael>"at that point" <-- which is a point 99.9999% of people cannot reach
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17:46<Gathond>schmichael: that is your choice, I just argue that the mac filter is stupid after the rest
17:46<schmichael>i used plain old wep not too long ago ;-)
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17:47<Gathond>schmichael: yes, and the last 0.0001% will get through the mac filter without ever knowing it was there
17:47<phorce1>Gathond: to stop the "casusal drive by user" without me having to remember a key to enter on every box I want to use
17:47<Gathond>so other than giving maintainence trouble what is the point?
17:47<schmichael>thats the point i suppose: is who is your security designd to stop?
17:47<schmichael>for me its just war drivers, lazy neighbors
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17:47<Gathond>phorce1: but in that case you have th session key to stop them right?
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17:49<Gathond>anyway bedtime here
17:49<schmichael>Gathond: well if you're ever in portland, or you know there's at least one easy to hack wifi network for you ;-)
17:49<phorce1>Gathond: wpa/wep/anything that requires a physical key to be entered starts to become a pain when setting up multiple systems with multiple operating systems to use the router. Entering the MAC one time is quick and relatively painless.
17:50<Gathond>phorce1: yes, and from a privacy standpoint provides nothing (as long as you are aware of that it is fine)
17:51<Gathond>i.e everyone within radio range can listen in on the traffic
17:51<Gathond>for home usage this is probably irrelevant though
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17:54<phorce1>Gathond: In the office we have wireless connected to a DMZ'd DSL line for testing customer computers. All connections directly into our in-house network are hardwired
17:54<reece>still not working
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17:59<schmichael>reece: did you see what i said about logs? you need to start looking for more info i'm afraid :-/
17:59<reece>it wouldent let me read the logs?
17:59<schmichael>ah, sudo probably isn't setup by default
17:59<schmichael>stupid unfriendly debian
18:00<helios>after install nvidia drivers where configure its parameters?
18:00<schmichael>reece: don't tell anyone i told you this, but all of this probably works out of the box with ubuntu :(
18:00<schmichael>reece: 'su' to root, then you can read the log files
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18:01<reece>lol i know i have used ubuntu but it wont install onm my laptop
18:01<reece>i have su'd n still wont let me
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18:02<gmjs>Hi everyone. I;m new to the whole IRC thing, and just wondered if someone could answer what is probably an easy question for me?
18:02<reece>rather unfriendly isnt it
18:02<schmichael>just a bit
18:02<schmichael>unfortunately i need to get some work done here
18:02<amphi>!tell gmjs -about ask
18:02<schmichael>try upgrading to lenny if you have any patience left
18:02<gmjs>hi thanks!
18:02<schmichael>its so much more up to date than etch
18:02<amphi>gmjs: just ask
18:02<reece>can i upgrade through gnome or do i have to write another DVD?
18:03<schmichael>reece: nonono, don't write a dvd. you can do it through gnome
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18:03<gmjs>I've downloaded Debian 4.0r6 to install it to my main machine...but I'm running 2 other OSs and the BIOS is configured to use the AHCI HDD interface.
18:03<schmichael>what happened to dpkg?
18:03<gmjs>Does Debian 4.0r6 work under an AHCI interface?
18:03<amphi>where is the bot?
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18:04<gmjs>at the moment, it cannot detect the DVD ROM drive (it's also SATA). Any help greatly appreciated!
18:04<barnes>it's christmas if you havent noticed, dpkg needs to rest
18:04<amphi>gmjs: I don't recall (I run testing here) - have a look at the install guide
18:05<amphi>gmjs: the damn bot is away carousing somewhere :(
18:05<gmjs>The guides don;t seem to mention SATA or AHCI at all!
18:05<amphi>great, fucking webkit just segfaulted again
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18:08<amphi>gmjs: no, I also don't see it ;)
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18:09<gmjs>no worries -- thanks for checking for me!
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18:15<reece>upgrading now thanks for the help
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18:34<led_mon>hey. i'm looking at packages to download. there one "Dynamic Static Static OSS" . never heard of that before. does that refer to an OS or is that generic?
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18:35<led_mon>that make any sense?
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19:16<pirx>anyone got bluetooth (kinputwizard) working on lenny?
19:17<pirx>i'm getting mysterious "Failed to create input device for.." error message
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19:17<pirx>and google can't help either
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19:19<Guest1467>is gnome 2.4 included in this release
19:20<mgoetze>which release?
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19:20<mgoetze>also, are you sure you mean gnome 2.4?
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19:21<Guest1467>i tried debian testing lenny but it does not have gnome 2.4
19:21<mgoetze>it has gnome 2.22, which is a lot newer
19:21<mgoetze>gnome 2.4 is ancient
19:22<mgoetze>gnome 2.4 is from 2003 or so
19:22<taziden>gnome 2.24 maybe
19:23<Guest1467>gotyes taht is right seems 2.24 is latest ver
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19:24<mgoetze>no, lenny doesn't have 2.24, sorry
19:24<Guest1467>would updating to unstable give us 2.24?
19:24<mgoetze>not right now
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19:25<mgoetze>i suspect a newer version of gnome won't be uploaded until lenny is released, except possibly to experimental
19:25<mgoetze>try ubuntu
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19:27<Guest1467>yes that is an option....but wtill i do not want to go for a fresh install...
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19:27<Guest1467>has any one tried garnome ?
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19:28<Guest1467>to update gnome
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19:31<Guest1467>or if any one has a backport through which we could update to 2.24 ?
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19:32<mgoetze>is there any particular reason you're so desperate for gnome 2.24, or just christmas boredom?
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19:33<streuner__>mgoetze: mostly :-P
19:34<streuner__>they dont know what they want, but they want always the newest :-P
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19:34<streuner__>no matter what kind of features (problems) it has :-P
19:35<mgoetze>well, Guest1467 could just fix a few rc bugs in lenny, it will surely help him get gnome 2.24 sooner :P
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19:38<Guest1467>no iam a newbie to linux.....I liked debian butt it is noy as eye candy as fedora or sabayon i tried last month....I heard debian is slow on upgrades..always emphasizes on i was checking like if we update gnome we might have some improvement in UI
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19:39<mgoetze>Guest1467: i think you want ubuntu
19:39<amphi>removing gnome improves the UI vastly IMHO ;)
19:39<streuner__>Guest1410: well, keep in mind, if you want something, you must work for it in Debian
19:39<mgoetze>yeah, that too :)
19:40<mgoetze>apt-get install awesome
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19:40<streuner__>Guest1467: mgoetze is right, Debian is a community of people who work (everyone) for the OS itself...
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19:42<Guest1467>yes iam learning....someday i might find my self capable of giving something back
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19:42<streuner__>sure, and mgoetze is right in this case too
19:42<streuner__>if you want newest GNOME you want *bunt*
19:43<amphi>or gentoo *shudder* ;)
19:43<streuner__>but if you want free software, you want Debian...
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19:45<Guest1467>I would stick with debian ....i have the cconfidence that I have many passionate debian lovers here always willing to help
19:46<variable>please remember me how to turn off gdm?
19:46<mgoetze>willing to help you kick the gnome habit, maybe ;)
19:46<amphi>variable: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
19:46<streuner__>variable: /msg dpkg nodm
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19:47<streuner__>Guest1467: there are many WMs in Debian...
19:47*streuner__ just prefer fluxbox
19:48<mgoetze>hm anyway, dpkg seems to be dead?
19:48<streuner__>modern DM's needs plenty of RAM nowadays...
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19:49<streuner__>otherwise i wouldnt know dondelelcaro :-)
19:49<mgoetze>it's been missing for about 20 hours according to my logs
19:50<streuner__>ravenbird, are you awake?
19:50<ravenbird>streuner__: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
19:51<Jelloir>XFCE is pretty light on RAM... guess it depends on the extra stuff you have running mind you.
19:51<mgoetze>gdm only has an rss of about 3mb on my system...
19:51<mgoetze>i do remember a time when 3mb was "plenty of ram" but today?
19:51<streuner__>and GNOME?
19:51<mgoetze>i don't run gnome
19:51<streuner__>great :-)
19:52<mgoetze>but i don't think you should blame DMs ;)
19:52<streuner__>they are a mess
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19:53<streuner__>if you have enough RAM its good, but otherwise its a mess
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19:53<mgoetze>well, i can afford to spare 3MB
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19:55<variable>can any body tell more about nvidia-kernel-common package?
19:55<bzed>variable: ask a question please.
19:55<bzed>not a meta-question.
19:56<streuner__>sounds like a queston for
19:56<mgoetze>or just `apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-common`
19:57<variable>bzed, if you think you don't understand the question so please don't waste your time writing "meta-data"
19:57<bzed>variable: the right answer to your question is yes.
19:58<streuner__>variable: its not a real question you asked
19:58<bzed>variable: you should be more specific with your questions
19:59<variable>hmm c'mon i came here not to chat for what question should look like ;/
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19:59<bzed>variable: what do you really want to know then? I guess you're able to read teh package description
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20:02<helios>i configured x and framebuffer and it is small trouble: after switch framebuffer to x screen image of monitor shift left or right 1-2 centimeters, i must press button "autoajust" on monitor
20:02<helios>in grub vga=0x31b
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20:02<streuner__>bzed: do you go to CCC in Berlin?
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20:04<Guest1467>what do we do if we need a debian system to join a windows domain for file sharing?
20:04<mgoetze>Guest1467: install samba
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20:06<blarson>Guest1467: Install debian on the windows systems :-)
20:07<Guest1467>unfortunately all my co workers are still stuck with windows :-(
20:07<helios>help me
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20:09<Jelloir>helios: are the fb and X the same resolution?
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20:11<helios>yes, it is 1280x1024
20:11<helios>may be other freq
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20:15<Guest1467>thanks again for all your help....bye...
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20:18<Myon>sardyno: you can't link to the -dbgsym libraries, these only contain debug symbols, nothing else
20:18<Myon>sardyno: there's no real facility to recompile packages with different ./configure or gcc flags besides editing the rules file
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20:27<Jelloir>helios: have you tried xvidtune? I,m certainly no expert with X but i'll try :)
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20:33<namespace>i recently installed ubuntu 8.10 on a desktop and it locks up completely every now and then
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20:33<namespace>i have to do a hard boot to get back up
20:34<uva>root tty1 - Fri11 21.00s 0.49s 0.44s zhcon
20:34<namespace>what should i look at to determine what the problem could be?
20:34<uva>how can i get its process id?
20:34<namespace>the install on my laptop runs great though
20:35<amphi>uva: ps aux | grep zhcon
20:35<digitaloktay>gn8 sidux
20:36<digitaloktay>gn8 debian :)
20:36<uva>ya,im stupid
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20:39<vortex>!tell namespace about ubuntu
20:40<amphi>namespace: please ask in #ubuntu
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20:46<mgoetze>#ubuntu is on, i think
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20:48<apostle>anybody know of a Linux whiteboard application?
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21:02<k1lumin4t1>hi there
21:03<k1lumin4t1>I just bought myself a AMD Mobile Sempron 3600+ laptop, which is said to be 64 bits in AMD site
21:03<k1lumin4t1>should I install Debian AMD64 on it?
21:05<mgoetze>not necessarily
21:05<mgoetze>if you have less than 4GB RAM i386 is almost always a better choice
21:05<mgoetze>depends what you want to do with it, though
21:06<k1lumin4t1>I have 1 GB RAM
21:06<k1lumin4t1>why is it i386 a better choice?
21:06<amphi>but you may not always...
21:06<k1lumin4t1>I'd just would like to see if there's a noticeable difference on performance
21:06<mgoetze>64-bit pointers use more memory than 32-bit pointers
21:07<k1lumin4t1>I've never had the chance to try a 64 bits system
21:07<mgoetze>well, you probably won't notice anything, except that things like flash don't work
21:07<amphi>that's a plus in itself
21:07<k1lumin4t1>so you guys recommend i386 then?
21:08<amphi>there is an alpha (or perhaps beta by now) flash plugin that seemed to work ok - I since deleted it
21:08<mgoetze>well i guess flash not working is rather good actually, yeah...
21:08<k1lumin4t1>I don't mind
21:08<mgoetze>you can always download youtube videos with clive or something
21:08<k1lumin4t1>I've got nothing to lose,
21:08<amphi>k1lumin4t1: I run amd64 here on mine
21:08<k1lumin4t1>amphi, how does it go?
21:08<amphi>or use the handy youtube->mplayer script ;)
21:09<k1lumin4t1>I've seen there are workarounds
21:09<amphi>k1lumin4t1: works fine - I haven't run i386 on here to compare
21:09<k1lumin4t1>so that's not an issue in any case
21:09<k1lumin4t1>I just want the experience
21:09<mgoetze>well, there isn't much of an experience
21:09<amphi>I'm all intel on this laptop, so hw is well supported
21:09<k1lumin4t1>mgoetze, what do you mean?
21:10<mgoetze>i mean you won't really notice unless you type in uname once in a while
21:10<mgoetze>or try to use flash...
21:10<amphi>amd64 means processes can use more memory, which is useful if you do things that needs lots of memory
21:10<k1lumin4t1>well I'm all about multimedia
21:10<k1lumin4t1>I work with that
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21:11<mgoetze>sure, but if you only have 1gb ram it doesn't matter at all
21:11<k1lumin4t1>I see
21:11<k1lumin4t1>so there's no noticeable difference at the end
21:11<mgoetze>well except that, as i said, 64-bit pointers take up more memory than 32-bit ones
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21:11<mgoetze>so you might end up being able to fit less in your memory
21:12<amphi>not with 1GB, except that processes will use somewhat more memory
21:12<k1lumin4t1>I see
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21:12<amphi>32-bit is limited to 2GB/process if I recall correctly
21:12<mgoetze>should be 4gb, non?
21:12<amphi>2, I think
21:13<k1lumin4t1>what about doing apt-builds?
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21:13<k1lumin4t1>doesn't that make any difference on a 64 bits system?
21:13<mgoetze>so they can only use 31 bits of those points?
21:13<mgoetze>apt-builds? what do you mean?
21:13<k1lumin4t1>using apt-build
21:13<k1lumin4t1>to optimize performance on packages
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21:14<mgoetze>you should ask about that in #gentoo
21:14<k1lumin4t1>you just saw where I was heading towards
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21:40<sheskar>Are there any unofficial debs of Linux 2.6.28 available?
21:40<Jordan_U>Whenever I try to run iceweasel I get the error "Iceweasel is already running but not responding...". pgrep firefox-bin and pgrep iceweasel both return nothing.
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22:08<kapil>Jordan_U: check for a lock file inside $HOME/.mozilla
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22:45<Serpent>anyone knows a software for downloading from rapidshare or megaupload?
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23:17<BobPenguin>hello. I installed a gnome debian system in an old celerkn 750 box. It was slower than the win98 already installed there. I did try turning off most services and using xfce and iceWM as windows manager, with no noticeable difference. Would I get better results installing from the debian xfce cd?
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23:24<BobPenguin>hello. I installed a gnome debian system in an old celerkn 750 box. It was slower than the win98 already installed there. I did try turning off most services and using xfce and iceWM as windows manager, with no noticeable difference. Would I get better results installing from the debian xfce cd?
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23:24<jrabbit>don't repeat yourself.
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23:25<jrabbit>if you think you did it wrong, possibly
23:25<jrabbit>otherwise it's slwo hardware.
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23:26<BobPenguin>thanks jrabbit
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23:28<Jordan_U>kapil: Completely removed ~/.mozilla, problem persists
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23:31<Jordan_U> Whenever I try to run iceweasel I get the error "Iceweasel is already running but not responding...". pgrep firefox-bin and pgrep iceweasel both return nothing. Removing ~/.mozilla doesn't help.
23:34<squid>try reinstall mozilla
23:34<squid>whois squid
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23:35<squid>Jordan_U does binary run
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23:36<Jordan_U>squid: Depends on what you mean, the iceweasel script does exec firefox-bin, and that displays the error window
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23:37<squid>Jordan_U what window manager you use
23:38<Jordan_U>squid: metacity
23:38<Jordan_U>squid: Why?
23:38<squid>try to run it in kde or gnome - should work
23:39<squid>then boot in metacity ... and run from it
23:39<Jordan_U>squid: Why would it? And I am using Gnome, gnome's window manager is metacity
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23:42<squid>think something wrong with your gnome install ... try in KDE
23:42<Jordan_U>squid: Why do you think that?
23:43<squid>becaouse firefox is no optimezed for Gnome ... try KDE
23:44<squid>try opera or konqueror
23:44<mgoetze>be careful about advice from people whose ircname is "* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *"
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23:45<squid>mgoetze thx
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23:51<squid>where to register .com for cheap?
23:51<squid>how much now domain costs?
23:52<squid>Jelloir thx looking
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23:53<squid>sorry output is
23:54<squid>Looking up
23:54<squid>Making HTTP connection to
23:54<squid>Sending HTTP request.
23:54<squid>HTTP request sent; waiting for response.
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