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---Logopened Sat Dec 27 00:00:32 2008
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00:34<Volk>ïðèâåò âñåì
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01:03<lethalduck>Anyone know what the .bash_profile: is supposed to look like?
01:07<mgoetze>lethalduck: well, maybe similar to the one in /etc/skel/.bash_profile
01:08<mgoetze>lethalduck: depends what you want to achieve, really...
01:08<lethalduck>I havn't made any modifications to it manually. Any idea what would have?
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01:09<lethalduck>I'm getting the error on start up...
01:09<Golfgeo>Hi all
01:09<lethalduck> .bash_profile: line 19: syntax error unexpected end of file
01:09<mgoetze>well, what's the error?
01:09<mgoetze>maybe paste your .bash_profile to a pastebin
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01:10<Golfgeo>Got a quotation question: What is the correct way of saying: At times men of goof conscience must act? And how was the first to use it?
01:10<mgoetze>and why are you asking this channel, as opposed to, say, google?
01:11<Golfgeo>Like I dind't google it... Well, I did and no hits on that exact version. So, I believe the version isn't oke...
01:12<Golfgeo>Thats why I thought I could ask it on a channel with English speaking people...
01:13<mgoetze>lethalduck: try it with "fi" instead of "=fi"
01:13<Golfgeo>I remember now: Decleration of Independence...
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01:13<lethalduck>mm, any idea what the = would be for at the end of the if statement?
01:14<mgoetze>the whole if-block doesn't make sense, anyway
01:15<mgoetze>why check for ~/bin and then append /home/kim/bin, if you know they're going to be the same you can still use the same thing anyway
01:17<Golfgeo>it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
01:17<Golfgeo>Thats the correct line... :-)
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01:18<Golfgeo>Someone else created the line I wrote earlier, but it is based on the last one...
01:21<craigevil>Golfgeo: this has nothing to do with Debian please go troll somewhere else
01:21<Golfgeo>troll even...
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01:26<Golfgeo>Thanks for being a soundingboard guy's (detractors proculded offcourse) :-P
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01:32<lethalduck>mgoetze: I don't have a .bash_profile in /etc/skel
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02:10<norbac>hi ppl
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02:12<norbac>I have a question is it posiable to make a copy of the whole debian instalation and install that in other HD?
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02:19<jrabbit>dd it
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02:19<dmoerner>norbac, there are many ways to do that. to make an exact copy the canonical method is to use dd
02:19<dmoerner>if you just want to have the same packages
02:19<dmoerner>then /msg dpkg aptitude clone and /msg dpkg debian clone
02:20<dmoerner>nevermind dpkg is down again. try /msg aptitude
02:20<dmoerner>i guess we have no bots today
02:20<dmoerner>judd, versions dpkg
02:20<judd>dmoerner: dpkg -- etch: 1.13.25 lenny: 1.14.23 sid: 1.14.23
02:21<norbac>wondering .. dd would copy grub too?
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02:21<dmoerner>judd is up but that's not much help :)
02:21<judd>dmoerner: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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02:38<fanfan>Where hd-media img?
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02:55<metalqga>this is for Etch
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03:59<squid>please tell me how to register and where .com doamin
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04:00<lestat>!java web start
04:00<amphi>bot still out carousing somewhere
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04:01<schasi>hi there
04:01<squid>hi schasi
04:01<lestat>Hi...i´m havig a problem with the instalation the java web starter plugin in my web brownser...
04:02<lestat>java for applets on internet...
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04:02<squid>or search sun's site for JVM
04:03<lestat>well...i download the things that i need before...
04:03<lestat>and installed too...
04:03<lestat>but my web brownser dont meet the java plugin...
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04:04<squid>lestat what browser you use?
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04:05<lestat>well...i installed iceweasel...mozilla...firefox...konqueror...iceweasel ...firefox ..
04:05<lestat>i tryed a lot
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04:06<lestat>I think if i understand how to install the java plugin in my firefox 32 my problem will be solved...
04:07<lestat>(i use lenny x86_x64)
04:07<lestat>squid , reboot dont works...
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04:10<lestat>my java works...because...i can use the java client to play a game (igo) on internet...
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04:20<anakin>Hi all, I have this problem whenever I try to open a file browser (nautilus) from the gnome-menu bar (places).
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04:20<anakin>If i double click the computer icon, the browser comes up right away
04:20<anakin>but not if i do so using the gnome-panel's places-> shortcuts
04:21<anakin>or even the runcommand /home/user
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04:35<squid>jim_p helo
04:35<Jelloir>anakin: run command should be "nautilus /home/user" which may also be the issue with the menu bar shortcut
04:36<jim_p>has anyone tried to install any of the lenny beta 2 live cds? i am trying to find how to do it since xmas eve! please help
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04:36<craigevil>jim_p: why not just use the netinstall
04:37<Jelloir>Can you even install from the live cd
04:38<jim_p>craigevil, i am low on bandwidth :(
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04:38<jim_p>Jelloir, i dont know, that was my question
04:39<Jelloir>I'll probably be corrected but I didn't think you could...
04:39<jim_p>Jelloir, so once again its netinstall and move to a place with high bandwidth for me?
04:40<fxiny>habtool: he's always logged . he's off line starting from yesterday : too much drinks
04:40<jim_p>and i did like the lxde version :( how will i be able to install all it has?
04:41<fxiny>habtool: tab completion and wrong window ;)
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04:48<Jelloir>If there is a way then hopefully someone can help otherwise maybe use apt-cdrom after install from netinst to add whats on the live cd to save bandwidth
04:51<jim_p>Jelloir, can i apt-cdrom xorg this and that?
04:51<jim_p>Jelloir, from THAT pc i am on. its on debian
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04:54<fxiny>Hideo: you mean *my* holiday ?
04:58<Jelloir>jim_p: apt-cdrom will just add the cd as a source of packages. If you do an expert install then you should be able to add it as an a source also
04:59<jim_p>Jelloir, hmmmm... i do know how to add it as source. i do not know how to grab some packages in a cd rom and use that as source
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05:07<Hideo>the bots are on holidays :(
05:07<metalqga>try aptitude
05:07<simonrvn>aptitude: test
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05:08<jim_p>how can i get a copy of all the packages apt will download in a cdrom and use it as source?
05:08<simonrvn>one of the dpkgs is missing, the one on freenode is running
05:09<jim_p>for instance apt-get install xorg is a waste of 30+ minutes fir me
05:09<simonrvn>dondelelcaro: dpkg is dead here, eh?
05:09<metalqga>jim_p /var/cache/apt
05:09<metalqga>look at that dir
05:10<jim_p>metalqga, i clean it every week
05:10<metalqga>so lose 30+minutes on xorg
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05:11<jim_p>metalqga, well can i download this packages AND the relevant dependencies and burn them on a cdrom and use the cdrom as source?
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05:11<metalqga>you can do anything
05:12<jim_p>metalqga, ok then how will apt see this disc as an apt source?
05:12<Jelloir>jim_p: What about just getting Lenny RC1 CD1?
05:12<metalqga> dpkg -i *.deb
05:13<jim_p>metalqga, it has to look like a repo right?
05:13<jim_p>Jelloir, i have the netinstall of the rc1
05:13<jim_p>Jelloir, :|
05:13<jim_p>your idea just sounded amazing
05:14<jim_p>can i use the weekly build too?
05:14<yunusdeb>hello, what is name of the kernel package in debian?
05:14<metalqga>jim_p I have never tried what you wanna do, because I generally install with netinst
05:14<jim_p>yunusdeb, linux-image
05:15<jim_p>metalqga, the reason i dont use dpgk -i *.deb is because i want apt to be in charge
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05:16<jim_p>oh well
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05:16<jim_p>can i use another pc's cache as source?
05:17<Jelloir>jim_p: yep
05:17<yunusdeb>thanks jim_p. What is the latest version of the debian kernel? is this the latest version of the debian kernel ? --->2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 17:25:36 UTC 2008 x86_64
05:17<metalqga>just make sure it's the right version
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05:17<jim_p>yunusdeb, my uname -a is Linux lenny 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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05:18<jim_p>yunusdeb, and i am on debian testing
05:19<yunusdeb>jim_p, I want the latest version of the kernel. I have just on debian experimental and still found no update for the kernel
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05:20<jim_p>yunusdeb, debian has not officially upgraded to the 2.6.27
05:20<metalqga>for the very latest kernel you should compile from source
05:20<jim_p>yunusdeb, there is some independant repo with kernels
05:21<xun>a question for the kernel config file, what does "m" option mean on each line? for instance "CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m", if want to enable ACPI on my laptop, should I set it to "CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=y". thanks!
05:21<amphi>make-kpkg makes building kernels quite pleasant
05:21<amphi>xun: module
05:21<jim_p>yunusdeb, here
05:21<xun>amphi, thanks. "y" means?
05:21<amphi>xun: 'm' is fine
05:21<yunusdeb>jim_p: I just want to stick to offical repo
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05:21<amphi>xun: 'yes', I guess - built into the kernel monolithically
05:21<xun>amphi, OK, so it is loaded. what is the difference then?
05:21<yunusdeb>jim_p: I will check it now
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05:21<Maulkin>y=yes even
05:22<jim_p>yunusdeb, then you can only have 2.6.26
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05:22<amphi>xun: if you don't use an initramfs, everything needed to mount / must be built in (ie. not modules)
05:22<metalqga>with women n!=no sometimes
05:23<xun>amphi, so in my case, i want to enable the battery charging feature(set @ what % to stop/start), which one should I use??
05:23<yunusdeb>jim_p: I c now. Thanks
05:23<jim_p>you are welcome
05:23<metalqga>xun isn't this controlled by BIOS?
05:23<amphi>xun: build as a module - it should be loaded automagically
05:24<amphi>xun: thinkpad?
05:24<xun>matalqga, no i couldn't find it in my module
05:24<jim_p>i have to go do the xmas shopping guys
05:24<jim_p>see you later, bye
05:24<metalqga>lol too late
05:24<amphi>xun: if it's a thinkpad, you need the tp_smapi module
05:25<jim_p>lol shopping in general
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05:25<xun>amphi, yes a thinkpad. I set the battery to automatically stop charging when i was in vista before I switched to ubuntu few days ago. now it won't charge pass the % i set in windows. basically i would like to reset the settings
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05:25<xun>amphi, yes i loaded the module, but i got whole bunch of errors when I try to load it
05:27<metalqga>this makes me think this setting is in the bios
05:27<metalqga>or the battery's controller
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05:28<xun>amphi, here is the error, do you have any idea what could've caused this? "FATAL: Error inserting tp_smapi (/lib/modules/2.6.27-9-generic/kernel/ubuntu/misc/tp_smapi.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
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05:29<fxiny>enouf: !!!
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05:29<fxiny>metalqga: hi
05:30<enouf>fxiny: ;-)
05:30<fxiny>enouf: router disconnected , again ? ;)
05:30<enouf>fxiny: heh .. something like that .. yep ;-)
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05:36<yunusdeb>hi, how to make flash 64 bits work on iceweasel
05:36<yunusdeb>I have copied to .mozilla/plugins
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05:37<yunusdeb>and tried to access some web with flash. for instance
05:38<yunusdeb>but iceweasel closed suddenly
05:38<metalqga>me thinks the right dir is /usr/lib/mozilla
05:39<yunusdeb>I have tried this method with fedora and it just works
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05:39<yunusdeb>but i will give your method a try
05:40<yunusdeb>wait a moment please
05:40<metalqga>loading ...
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05:42<yunusdeb>metalqga, should I also create plugins dir?
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05:44<simonrvn>yunusdeb: um, you need the 64bit flash...
05:45<yunusdeb>metalqga: i did not work. I just closed when I access to
05:46<yunusdeb>simonrvn, yes this is 64 bit flash
05:47<simonrvn>ok, just checking :)
05:47<yunusdeb>fyi, I use experimental deb
05:47<metalqga>I guess it's very unstable
05:47<metalqga>64bit flash i mean
05:50<yunusdeb>simonrvn, this file (flash 64 bit) also work on fedora 64 bit
05:50<yunusdeb>fyi, It's not closed when I access to non flash website
05:51<yunusdeb>metalqga, it seems that I am unlucky
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05:57<yunusdeb>simonrvn, metalqga: thanks for your feedback
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06:01<dpkg>hello, metalqga
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06:03<dpkg>thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back.
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06:04<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
06:04<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
06:04<fxiny>the original :P
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06:07<gigi>hai all
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06:11<gigi>good day
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06:15<gigi>how is life?
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06:16<metalqga>generally good
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06:26<zibi9797>Hello guys
06:26<zibi9797>I have installed debian lenny
06:27<zibi9797>When I start debian my screen is black
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06:32<metalqga>video drivers
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07:06<rod>Hi Bitches :D
07:06<rod>why is pulseaudio a dependency of openoffice?
07:06<rod>can somebody tell me that
07:07<rod>and why help files (in total of 30mb download) of thunderbird, openoffice and evolution are part of the BASE INSTALL of debian?
07:08<rod>im not talking algebra her girls
07:08<rod>chop chop back to work
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07:23<valdyn>rod: they are not part of base install
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07:27<craigevil>sounds more like something ubuntu would do, no pulseaudio here and I have Ooo3, i dont install most help files either those usually only get pulled in if you use a metapackage like
07:28<rod>well im running unstable, but i got the openoffice3 from experimental
07:28<craigevil>same here
07:29<rod>and the helpfiles are actually a seperate story... When i did a minimal base install from a netboot iso, those help files were all downloaded and installed
07:29<valdyn>rod: no idea what you did, if you selected the desktop task or whatever
07:29<valdyn>rod: but none of this is part of base install
07:29<rod>im not going to file bugs and all, i just was curious what the reasoning was or that there is a technical explanation for me to learn
07:30<rod>no no, i deselected everything, desktop environment was deselected, laptop, everything from that list
07:30<valdyn>rod: the doc for each of those is at Suggests:, not Depends:
07:31<rod>well i dont know how to prove this, but its true..
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07:31<rod>just got that 7mb netinstall, did an expert install on debian unstable
07:31<valdyn>rod: you prove it by removing those packages and noticing what else gets removed
07:32<rod>i dont know where or how you checked for this suggests and not Depends :) But is that also the same for the unstable packages?
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07:37<craigevil> Priority: optional , icedove and evolution do not even have a separate help package at least not that show up searching
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07:39<rod>hmm well ill make sure i save some logs during my next netboot unstable install then
07:40<rod>bbl , tx for advice
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07:44<Naicamine>ive installed compiz on a machine. is there a way to change some of the settings?
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07:49<melkart>is there an easy way to compile xmms and some plugins for it for lenny? i know an instruction how to compile xmms itself, but the instruction for the flac support does not work, i also need wma, mod and, if possible, midi
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08:02<Tuplad>can I get a DOS emulator in Linux ? :)
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08:23<famelix>ho installato famelix
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08:24<famelix>posso installare qualsiasi applicazione anche se creataper ubuntu_
08:25<fxiny>famelix: wrong chan this is #debian
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08:45<helios>hallo! i use lenny 2.6.26-12 amd64 kernel and have troubles with sound on ALC883: when play sound is noise
08:45<helios>help me
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08:48<helios>noise on play sound
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08:52<helios>heeeelllp meeeee
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08:52<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on
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08:53<metalqga>ask dpkg about alsa-checklist
08:53<helios>i use alsa
08:53<helios>but noisw go on
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08:57<metalqga>I dont have your sound card neithre your kernel, don't expect to tell you exactly how to remove the noise
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09:06<piccolop>ciao a tutti
09:06<piccolop>c'e' nessuno?
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09:08<piccolop>somebody here?
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09:08<helios>what is kernel better to use with lenny?
09:09<craigevil>the one that works for you
09:09<piccolop>nobody italians here?
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09:12<jeff_hann>piccolop, join debian-it
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09:15<user1>preciso de ajuda com um debian 4
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09:15<user1>alguem pode me ajudar?
09:16<user1>a cada vez que re-inicio minha interface de rede troca de mac e numero
09:16<user1>por exemplo
09:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:16<user1>eth2 mac 00.01.02.... na proxima vez eth3 01.02.04....
09:16<ehnvis>speak english please as this is an english only channel
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09:33<theocrite>Is there a way to install Debian through a Ubuntu Live CD ? I can't install Debian on my new latop, but Ubuntu 7.10 boots (sometimes).
09:34<theocrite>I tried all my old CD (from sarge/testing to etch and lenny), but they all failed to mount the cdrom (I can only set up the keyboard and languages amongs few other things)
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09:36<ifvoid>well, boot from usb then?
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09:36<ifvoid>or from sd?
09:36<ifvoid>or from the network?
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09:36<ifvoid>or from floppies?
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09:36<ifvoid>or from windows?
09:37<theocrite>I don't have floppy disks. I'll try USB.
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09:37<theocrite>I removed Windows as soon as I got the laptop. I sent a letter to HP and now I wait for the refund.
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09:43<burns>theocrite: did you also try installing it from a usb-stick e.g.?
09:43<mgoetze>theocrite: depends, does the ubuntu live cd come with debootstrap?
09:44<mgoetze>theocrite: you'd probably be better off with a grml live cd, then you can use
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09:45<theocrite>burns: not yet, but I was about to try, as ifvoid suggested me.
09:45<theocrite>mgoetze: thanks i'll try this
09:46<ifvoid>theocrite: see for a guide, btw
09:46<ifvoid>theocrite: and you'll probably want to use the lenny images from is you have recent hardware
09:46*mgoetze thinks that grml-debootstrap page looks really good and wonders what it would take to get all manpages to look like that
09:47<theocrite>ifvoid: thanks, i'm already browsing this page ;)
09:48<ifvoid>I realyl do fail to understand btw why we don't just provide ready to use images
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09:59<theocrite>From where are we supposed to find the boot.img .gz ? I didn't find it in the isos I downloaded.
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10:01<gsimmons>theocrite: It was mentioned earlier in that document. See section 4.2.1.
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10:11<slag>Hi. I'm trying to implement a AES crypted root (/) filesystem excluding /boot. I have read about LUKS, but everything that I have found is about:
10:11<slag>a.\ Creating a small partition with other linux that decrypt and lauch the crypted SO.
10:11<slag>b.\ Crypting only a part of the FS, mounting it when you are logged.
10:11<slag>Exists a way to implement the decrypt routine in the SO booting without having to install other linux? They are something that I have to read that I haven't yet? Thanks
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10:12<slag>Hi. I'm trying to implement a AES crypted root (/) filesystem excluding /boot. I have read about LUKS, but everything that I have found is about:
10:12<slag>a.\ Creating a small partition with other linux that decrypt and lauch the crypted SO.
10:12<slag>b.\ Crypting only a part of the FS, mounting it when you are logged.
10:12<slag>Exists a way to implement the decrypt routine in the SO booting without having to install other linux? They are something that I have to read that I haven't yet? Thanks
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10:13<lordmetroid>Alright, I installed everything from scratch using the businesscard iso
10:14<lordmetroid>Is there any gui packet manager I can get with apt-get?
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10:14<cahoot>synaptic f ex
10:15<mgoetze>lordmetroid: if you consider curses a gui, use aptitude. otherwise, synaptic. there is also an aptitude-gtk in development but that's still rather beta afaik
10:15<theocrite>damn usb fails. It stills ask me to mount the CD. I can't mount the CD or set up the network.
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10:16<mgoetze>theocrite: maybe your hardware really is too new for stable, you might want to try lenny/testing. or grml, but then there's no guarantee your installed system will be usable ;)
10:16<gsimmons>theocrite: A USB d-i image asks you for the CD? Did you transfer a netinst or business card ISO to your device?
10:16<lordmetroid>okay, I think I'll go with synaptic as I am familiar with its frontend
10:16<lordmetroid>thank you all
10:16<yhlfh>return 24 illegal number <-- what does it mean?
10:16<theocrite>mgoetze: I tried lenny already.
10:16<theocrite>gsimmons: 1st I tried buziness card, then the netinst.
10:16<mgoetze>yhlfh: the illuminati have taken over your computer, and they prefer 23
10:17<theocrite>I just cped the .iso
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10:17<slag>fxiny, (reading)
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10:18<fxiny>slag: and this one :
10:18<theocrite>Ok I give up, i'll keep ubuntu for a week, and I'll try to install Debian again when i'll be back from Berlin.
10:18<theocrite>Thank you for the help here.
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10:19<yhlfh>when my system boot, everytime it start a service or activing something this message comes up
10:20<sluck>fxiny, doesn't it fit in the second category?
10:20<lordmetroid>From what repository can I get sun's Java?
10:20<sluck>b.\ Crypting only a part of the FS, mounting it when you are logged.
10:20<mgoetze>lordmetroid: from, uh, debian?
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10:21<sluck>I want to crypt logfiles and all stuff too
10:22<lordmetroid>mgoetze, thanks
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10:22<cydork>!tell lordmetroid -about install java
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10:26<fxiny>sluck: i have a full encrypted etch : /boot ext2 , / swap and /home partitions . just one pass at boot time , is this ok for you ?
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10:27<mgoetze>fxiny: your swap is encrypted? is it a laptop?
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10:27<fxiny>mgoetze: a normal desktop , yes swap is encrypted
10:27<sluck>fxiny, yes, whithout swap
10:27<fxiny>mgoetze: did not startv froms scratch : i've cloned a runnig etch
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10:28<mgoetze>i hear suspend to encrypted swap partition will destroy all your data or something like that :) so if you're on a laptop you might want to not encrypt swap
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10:29<sluck>I dont want swap
10:29<fxiny>mgoetze: i made all partitions . i sanitized 'em using scrub , i set encryption layer up and i have cloned my regular etch
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10:30<fxiny>sluck: so , those url/tutrials are a very good start . once you are familiar with luks you can set your system up : from scratch or by just cloning
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10:30<fxiny>mgoetze: thanx , i did not know it :)
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10:30<sluck>"This guide is intended to add an encrypted device to an existing install, if you are contemplating a fresh install, the Debian Installer will configure encrypted filesystems for you."
10:31<fxiny>of course it will
10:32<fxiny>sluck: still you must know what luks is about and at debian-administrations there are good tutorials for it
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10:32<sluck>okey, I will spend some time reading
10:32<sluck>before comment about it
10:32<sluck>fxiny, thanks!
10:33<fxiny>sluck: np
10:34<fxiny>mgoetze: what about using a spare/temporary/extra swap partition to be sanitized after resuming ?
10:35<fxiny>mgoetze: i would not consider encrypted a system with a non encrypted swap
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10:35<fxiny>there must be a workaround
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10:45<jim_p>hi people, nice to see you all here again
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11:22<zxd>is there a tool for testing udp transfer perfomance?
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11:23<ifvoid>zxd: pv | nc
11:25<georgesawyer->Hi ...good morning! I lost my vmlinuz and initrd files during a normal security update because my disk got full and there was no fallback!
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11:25<georgesawyer->So I could not boot until I copied them from another Debian installation.
11:26<simonrvn>nice save
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11:27<georgesawyer->I was running etch, and this latest security upgrade seems to be a big one of a quarter gigabyte. I looked at the bug reports for linux-image-2.6.18-6-686;dist=unstable and linux-latest-2.6;dist=unstable , but don't see anything about this.
11:28<fxiny>so you did not fixed it ,yesterday
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11:28<georgesawyer->I am thinking of filing a bug report; do you think I am on the right track?
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11:29<mgoetze>georgesawyer-: hm, i dunno, i don't think very much would be done about it, but you can try of course
11:29<fxiny>georgesawyer-: this morning was thinking : are you sure you (or windows ? ) did not format that partition ?
11:29<georgesawyer->Fxiny, Hi! The suggestion to use the CD vmlinuz and initrd files somehow not obviously only allowed me to be in the installer, not my regular system.
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11:29<ifvoid>georgesawyer-: you mean this one?
11:29<mgoetze>georgesawyer-: or you could just pay more attention to how full your disk is, and/or create a seperate /boot partition
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11:30<georgesawyer->fxiny, I kept all my user package configuation settings and I re-installed all my packages from a list I had, so I am pretty good, now.
11:32<fxiny>georgesawyer- : no files at all in your /boot is unusual , is it a dual boot ?
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11:32<georgesawyer->ifvoid, I think I do mean that security upgrade. It happened about two weeks ago.
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11:33<fxiny>georgesawyer-: and btw : what about kernel modules ? where they still in lib ?
11:33<georgesawyer->fxiny, there were no files in /boot , which is where all previous security upgrades placed them, and where my grub loads them from, the way I have it.
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11:36<fxiny>georgesawyer-: if your kernel has been removed all /lib/modules should have gone . none if something formatted yout /boot
11:36<georgesawyer->ifvoid, I assumed that the problem came because this upgrade's storage requirements were larger, exposing a problem in the linux-image debian package. I think it should restore the previous files on error.
11:36<ifvoid>sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about
11:36<georgesawyer->fxiny, right, I am able now to boot, but there aren't any modules being loaded.
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11:37<fxiny>georgesawyer-: really . i was thinking about this , just this morning
11:37<fxiny>georgesawyer-: ls /lib/modules
11:37<fxiny>anything there ?
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11:38<georgesawyer->ifvoid, the linux-image package upgrade failed due to lack of disk space. However, apparently, it had already deleted my vmlinuz-- and initrd.img-- files!
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11:39<berbur>Ijoin #sidux
11:39<georgesawyer->fxiny, sorry, I cannot see in there at this time.
11:39<Wedge>do you remember in the name of ubuntu chat italian is #ubuntu-it-chat or other
11:40<mgoetze>Wedge: who knows, try asking in #ubuntu on
11:40<cahoot>Wedge: and probably on
11:40<ifvoid>georgesawyer-: ah
11:40<ifvoid>georgesawyer-: well, just reinstall the packages
11:40<fxiny>georgesawyer-: why lack of disck space if your kernel has been removed before installing the new one ?
11:41<Wedge>Tnk u
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11:41<cahoot>must have a prominent enter key
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11:42<georgesawyer->ifvoid, I will have to make space, and then I assume it will work okay. However, this left me with an unbootable system, and seeme a reportable bug, don't you think so?
11:43<ifvoid>yes, I guess
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11:46<georgesawyer->fxiny, I am not sure how it failed due to insufficient storage; it is my supposition. The generic message said something like, 'failure ...try using the -f option.'
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11:48<fxiny>georgesawyer-: yes i rememeber you said that . what sounds strange to me is a totally empty boot partition
11:51<alien>just a curious question....I heard ubuntu was derived from debian......Is it possible to use a ubuntu source in apt source list
11:52<fxiny>by design a system can have one kernel only in a very small /boot partition . by logic the old kernel should be deleted after the new one takes it's place
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11:56<Dionis>knoppix live dvd 5.3.1 doesn't show the files and folders in russian on the ntfs
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11:56<cahoot>Dionis: try #knoppix - possibly on
11:56<phackett>Are there text based forms of Linux?
11:57<cahoot>phackett: any - just don't use x
11:57<cahoot>phackett: linux per se is just a kernel
11:57<phackett>how do you mean mate?
11:58<cahoot>how do you mean?
11:58<Dionis>cahoot, thanks
11:58<georgesawyer->fxiny, I had GRUB before, in another partition. So, I didn't install LILO or GRUB in /boot. Deleting the old kernel after its successful replacement makes sense; however, not if the upgrade fails, don't you think?
11:58<cahoot>phackett: you can run any linux dist strictly from console
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11:59<phackett>what console should I choose?
11:59<cahoot>phackett: i e 'text mode'
12:00<fxiny>georgesawyer-: failed upgrade ? when i ugraded sarge to etch apt-get aborted due to lack of space , i remember this
12:00<phackett>Am using Ubuntu at the moment
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12:00<simonrvn>phackett: ask #ubuntu
12:01<fxiny>georgesawyer-: but if you are 100% sure nothing formated yor partition , that is certainly a bug
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12:03<cahoot>phackett: the best move would be to read some basic linux doc
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12:05<georgesawyer->fxiny, this is just the apt-get upgrade of packages that I do daily, not a debian version upgrade.
12:07<fxiny>georgesawyer-: i believe you are telling the thruth . bugs just appears all of a sudden under certain circumstances , could be a bug
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12:09<georgesawyer->ifvoid, I suppose the package, linux-2.6 is the one to file a bug on? or is there somewhere better for any reason?
12:10<ifvoid>georgesawyer-: I think that shoudl be fine
12:10<ifvoid>georgesawyer-: please try to be as complete as possible in describing what you did and how it failed
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12:15<georgesawyer->ifvoid, sure will be complete; my machine, versions, complete error messages, anything I think of; thank you. :)
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12:17<melkart>can somebody tell me if KDE 3 will be dropped for squeeze? (in favor of KDE 4, i wish squeeze would ship with both KDE versions together)
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12:22<craigevil-eee>by the time squeeze is released kde4 might actually be usable
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12:34<melkart>craigevil-eee: "might"....
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12:36<melkart>kde 3.5.10 was released just 4 months ago. i think it's far too early to dump it... and there is a big risk that kde 4 will still be inferior to kde 3 in some respects when squeeze releases..
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12:37<craigevil-eee>figure 18-24 months before squeeze is released by that time kde4 should be ok
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12:38<craigevil-eee>not as good as 3.5.10 but probably ok
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13:30<nick>Hi, is there a way to split a .zip file into several smaller files on ubuntu?
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13:31<phorce1>nick: ask #ubuntu on freenode
13:31<U-boot92>hello there
13:32<U-boot92>does anyone know why one og the goals of Lenny will be migrating from bash to dash
13:32<U-boot92>isn't bash fine ?
13:32<mahogny>does anyone know of an effort to store configuration files in other files than $HOME? and without dots?
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13:32<cahoot>what problem would that solve?
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13:33<nick>phorce1, oh ya sorry i thought that was where I was.
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13:34<cahoot>what problem would that solve? mahogny - you're aware where systemwide conf files are located?
13:34<mahogny>cahoot, it would solve the problem of keeping config files separate from data files and you would be able to see the files without trickery
13:34<mahogny>well. not for this
13:35<mahogny>but I just ran into $XDG_CONFIG_HOME, reading up on it
13:36<cahoot>I'd say the dot actually simplifies keeping conffiles separated from datafiles
13:36<mahogny>not as much as a separate directory :)
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13:37<Concrete>adema uhg i hate scottish police so what now? jingle bells?
13:37<Concrete>well there is a new thing in hafp its called rsa and it dont like you type of people on internet
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13:38<phorce1>mahogny: so store your datafiles in a separate directory, that's what I do. $HOME/FILES/ When I have dotfile viewing turned off it's the only thing that shows in $HOME
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13:38<phorce1>heh, drive-by-spam
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13:39<mahogny>yeah, that's the opposite. but I'm usually not interested in looking at config files whenever I open a file browser :S and I shouldn't have to enable dotviewing. I'm a dev so I was interested in what standards exists. and apparently this was already on the way
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13:39<mahogny>quite a few apps are changing
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13:42<phorce1>I've just adjusted to having the dotfiles visible. They can be sorted all the top or bottom of a listing so I leave dotfile viewing on all the time (so I can find config files like looking for wahtever is causing my Pan install to not allow me to view new articles in some groups)
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14:10<kroffe>hello i have a problem can i get some help?
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14:11<enouf>kroffe: should we guess? ;-)
14:11<kroffe>no, sorry. what must i have to start a webhotel?
14:11<petern>what's a webhotel?
14:12<kroffe>web server.
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14:14<kroffe>how do i start a webserver?
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14:16<stilgar>hi i'm running debian lenny on my eeepc701, but i can't use my sd card, anyone can help me?
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14:18<ehnvis>Guest1584: check #debian-eeepc on this network.
14:18<Guest1584>ok thanks
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14:18<enouf>kroffe: sounds like a question for google
14:19<kroffe>i have asked google but i dont find any good stuff
14:19<enouf>kroffe: but for debian, try "tasksel --list-tasks" and see webserver? use tasksel perhaps to install what you need
14:20<enouf>kroffe: tasksel --task-packages web-server
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14:21<ivan81>sorry for the question but i've already googled a lot. when i launch "seamonkey -mail" the program say to me that localhost use an expired certificate and it was the truth but i've renewed the certificate of courier po3-ssl with the script mkpop3dcert but the alert message is the same. tanks a lot in advance
14:21<enouf>kroffe: read the documentation that comes with it, see /usr/share/doc/ and also the man pages
14:21<enouf>ivan81: have you restarted seamonkey? and what does dpkg -l dirmngr | tail -n 1 say?
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14:22<enouf>ivan81: clear seamonkey cache?
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14:25<enouf>!tell kroffe -about grounding
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14:25<enouf>!tell kroffe -about harden-doc
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14:28<melkart>is there any site which aims to list all release goals for the next release (squeeze)?
14:29<ifvoid>there's no such thing as a release goal for squeeze yet
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14:30<melkart>i see
14:31<melkart>just would like to say how much i love lenny, i hope u don't mind. i hope i can stay on it for a very long time
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14:33<phorce1>melkart: heh --- Debian release schedules mean you WILL get to stay on lenny for a very long time.'
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14:34<metalqga>melkart you can use it as long as you want
14:35<melkart>phorce1: yes, i mean... at some point i might yearn for a new piece software so much that i can't stand living without it... for example, i will probably want to have iceweasel 3.1 very much, when it is released
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14:35<melkart>i hope there will be backports... or i can smoothly pull it from testing...
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14:40<phorce1>melkart: ahhh, that's why you wanted squeeze info. To know if there will be any freaky libc breakage and so forth
14:42<ivan81>sorry for the delay, but i've solved and i've the confirmation that i'm a very stupid donkey (with all the respect for the donkeys off course), taken a look to the directory /usr/lib/courier i found that the file of backup that i had created pop3d.pem.bak was a link to /etc/courier/pop3d.pem so the script mkpop3dcert has generated the new certificate in /usr/lib/courier/pop3d.pem but seamonkey was looking to the old certificate in /etc/courier/pop3d.pem,
14:42<ivan81>so i've just copied /usr/lib/courier/pop3d.pem in /etc/courier/pop3d.pem, and that'all. thanks a lot for the suggestions!
14:43<ivan81>and sorry for my english
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15:13<leontina>hey guys - I want to add the repository for lenny - I forgot the line for it - I have installed Lenny from DVD - can anyone tell me the line to be added for lenny ?
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15:31<christophegger>Hyo! Yesterday I formated my portable disk using lvm, now I have i/o errors and can't mount the devices
15:31<christophegger>the lvs won't come online
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15:36<k6>Hi, how can I inspect the memory of a program
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15:38<mahogny>k6, gdb, valgrind etc. other tools exist for particular languages
15:38<mahogny>although IMO nothing beats good design and then printf
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15:39<petemc>you can also look in /proc/PID/
15:40<mahogny>that'd be hardcore
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15:42<evertt_zufelt>Is there a page with directions on installing Lenny on an eee pc using removable media?
15:42<k6>hardcore but useful, gdb only show a part of the program memor
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15:43<k6>I need to know where the stack begins for my program
15:44<mahogny>k6, what are doing? o_O
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15:45<k6>studying buffer overflows
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15:45<mahogny>aha. I used gdb for that
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15:50<christoph>the vg is detected correctly ...
15:50<mangoginger>Hi #Siddux
15:50<k6>mahogny, gdb is useful for sure, but I want to understand why I get adresses so far from functions adresses in my program
15:51<k6>(sorry for my bad english :)
15:51<mangoginger>I have a Canon EOS digital camera plugged into my USB port, and I want to read my photos and download them. It doesn't seem to be mounted, how do i do this?
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15:52<[machine]>k6: because the program you are debugging has had its symbols removed
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15:57<k6>[machine], i ll try that :)
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15:59<[machine]>k6: learning about stack overflows eh? sample code or you have somthing real to exploit?
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16:00<k6>[machine], sample code only :)
16:01<[machine]>you may wish to disable stack randomisation to begin with
16:02<[machine]>sysctl -w kernel.randomize_va_space=0
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16:02<mgoetze>hm, if i want to configure both inet and inet6 on an interface, do i write two stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces? the manpage doesn't say anything about it :(
16:02<[machine]>unless you're clear on how to bypass it with return to libc etc
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16:05<k6>[machine], not yet
16:06<k6>[machine], may i ask you a couple of link to understand those problems ?
16:07<metalqga>hibernate puts ram into swap partition?
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16:10<[machine]>essentially, overwrite eip with a fixed address within the process memory space such as within libc
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16:11<[machine]>could either be an existing function such as system... or as is often the case, address of bytes that "call %esp" (or similar)
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16:15<k6>[machine], thanks for all those informations, that will be very helpful to me:)
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16:20<qdb>i made file $HOME/.gnome2/epiphany/extensions/data/adblock/blacklist and added a url to it, this, to test: that is on home page but that iamge did not disappear . i tried clear cache.
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16:22<qdb>i have read instruction to do so in >extensions >help >adblock
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16:28<qdb>E: mysql-server-5.0: подпроцесс post-installation script возвратил код ошибки 1
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16:32<evertt_zufelt>Can anyone direct me to directions for installing debian Lenny over telnet?
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16:33<CheeToS>evertt_zufelt: I actually just edited the wiki about 5 minutes ago with instructions on doing it over SSH
16:33<newsense>telnet is crap
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16:36<qdb>does any body know what is error code 1 in post installation script of mysql in synaptic? with what keywords i can search? synaptic error code?
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16:38<evertt_zufelt>CheeToS: Thanks, I'll take a look. I'm trying to get debian onto my eeepc, so your instructions might not work with their modified installer. I'll let you know what I learn. I'm totally blind and it's a trick to get debian installed, but everything that I have read leads me to believe hat it is the best *nix for an eeepc if you are blind
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16:38<CheeToS>I just installed it on my new wind pc yesterday, hehe
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16:39<CheeToS>evertt_zufelt: the "How to create a CD or USB image that enables network-console" part is what I added, I don't know anything about the "Howto build an netboot-initrd" part
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16:43<evertt_zufelt>CheeToS: Being pretty new at this, can you explain to me if this will let me load an image onto my usb drive, boot to it on my eeepc, and have a "keyboardless" install? I do not need to use any type of network bootstrap, I can boot to an image on removable media.
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16:45<CheeToS>those instructions will automate it to the point of configuring your network and starting up an ssh server from which you can continue the install manually
16:45<CheeToS>if you wanted a 100% automated install, network-console isn't what you want
16:46<CheeToS>from what I did for my wind PC, it let me just pop in a usb drive, wait about a minute, then connect over SSH when prompted
16:47<evertt_zufelt>CheeToS: Ok, that sounds great. I will be able to complete the install from another computer using ssh. I normally use Ubuntu or Windows with a software speech synthesizer, which works great with ssh. Hopefully I can get your instructions to work with the eeepc installer.
16:47<CheeToS>feel free to PM me if you need more help and I'll answer if I'm around (I'm pretty new myself, so no worries)
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16:51<Wasp>Hey guys, I've run into a little bit of a problem while trying to partition vists to make space for Debian. For some reason I am unable to shrink my harddrive (180 gb with approximately 160 gb free) by more than 5 gb. I've done some research and apparently this is since Windows has files at both the beginning, middle, and end of the partition.
16:51<Wasp>So far i've taken these steps but to no avail:
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16:52<Wasp>disabled system restore, ran clean up manager, disabled the pagefile, disabled the kernel memory dump, disabled hibernation mode, and have ran a third-party software to defragment (Pefect Disk 2008) which is supposed to be able to move MFT files
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16:53<siemens>hi is there anyone can help me with VPN connection ?
16:53<newsense>siemens, just ask your question
16:53<Wasp>It appears that unmovable ghost files, which I am not familiar with, has soemthing to do with the issue, I was wondering if anyone knew any more regarding this problem or could point me in the right direction.
16:53<siemens>my internet provider give me just username and pass
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16:53<siemens>and i don`t now how to connect in internet
16:54<newsense>siemens, what does that have to do with vpn ?
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16:54<newsense>siemens, what type of connection is it ?
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16:54<siemens>it`s cable tv
16:54<siemens>cable net
16:55<newsense>siemens, cable generally doesnt auth via username/pass
16:55<newsense>mac address yes
16:55<newsense>or hostname
16:55<siemens>and i have a adress
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16:55<newsense>connecting to cable modem via usb or etherne
16:55<newsense>static ip ?
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16:55<siemens>ip adres
16:56<newsense>ok you connected directly to the modem ?
16:56<newsense>edit /etc/network/interfaces and input your ip information
16:56<bono>hey.siemens,from de?
16:56<newsense>man interfaces
16:56<siemens>from BG
16:57<siemens>newsense do you know some package for gnome
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16:58<newsense>use vim to edit the interfaces file, example at the url i gave ya
16:58<newsense>substitute addresses for the ones assigned to you
16:58<siemens>thanks a lot
16:59<qdb>i am going to use debian but there are some errors
16:59<newsense>siemens, anytime
16:59<qdb>i searched mysql in synaptic
16:59<qdb>and in previous searches it is several times
16:59<siemens>i mean some program like vpnc
16:59<qdb>also cd is several times in repositiries
17:00<newsense>siemens, might want to connect to the internet first than worry about your vpn
17:00<qdb>and also
17:00<qdb>when i added etch repo
17:00<qdb>it was written testing
17:00<chealer>qdb: you should search on Google for mysql, not synaptic
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17:00<qdb>but it is not testing now
17:00<siemens>newsense i connect to the network
17:00<chealer>qdb: show us the error in English
17:00<newsense>siemens, aptitude search vpn|grep gnome
17:00<newsense>siemens, aptitude search vpn |grep gnome
17:01<qdb>so "your" linux distribution does not work
17:01<qdb>also in services apache is checked but it does not run
17:02<newsense>siemens, seems there are 2 packages for gnome network-manager and vpn
17:02<qdb>may be that is good that does not run immediately
17:02<newsense>openvpn and vpnc
17:02<siemens>i`ll try with first one
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17:03<qdb>i will show you installation details
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17:06<evertt_zufelt>Is there a utility to allow me to put boot.img.gz onto a usb drive from Windows?
17:06<chealer>qdb: in English, please
17:06<newsense>dont know of any windows app that can handle gz
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17:07<qdb>how can i switch it to english?
17:07<qdb>i can reinstall debian english
17:07<CheeToS>evertt_zufelt: yeah, dd for windows
17:07<chealer>qdb: which desktop environment do you use?
17:07<CheeToS>use something like winrar to extract boot.img from the gz file
17:07<qdb>you should understand
17:08<newsense>heh dd for windows huh
17:08<qdb>did you look at it?
17:08<evertt_zufelt>CheeToS: Ok, I imagine that I'll have to gunzip the img file and then use dd?
17:08<CheeToS>if you use dd for windows, run dd --info to find out the names it translates the drives to
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17:09<qdb>why do you need!
17:09<chealer>qdb: yes, but I don't know the Cyrillic alphabet
17:09<CheeToS>find the one that is the right size for your usb media and write it out to Partition1
17:09<evertt_zufelt>CheeToS: Thanks, apparently the eeepc distro of debian does have a standard installer option, so I think your ssh directions will work for me without a problem.
17:09<chealer>qdb: run $ gksu LANG=C synaptic
17:09<CheeToS>e.g. \\?\Harddisk1\Partition1
17:09<chealer>qdb: the idea is to run the package manager in English
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17:09<CheeToS>then use a command like dd if=boot.img of=\\?\Harddisk1\Partition1 bs=1M --progress
17:10<CheeToS>er, dd --list, not dd --info, my bad
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17:11<qdb>does not run
17:11<CheeToS>if you have linux already you could also just use zcat and not worry about extracting from the gz
17:11<qdb>and it is gksudo
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17:12<chealer>qdb: what happens when you try?
17:12<chealer>qdb: the command to use is gksu
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17:13<qdb>i ll try in terminal
17:13<qdb>should i write en instead C?
17:13<chealer>qdb: no
17:14<qdb>also no message
17:14<qdb>in terminal
17:14<chealer>qdb: does it prompt you for a password?
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17:16<chealer>qdb: please show a shell session extract showing the command and the next prompt
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17:16<qdb>qdb@localhost:~$ gksu lang=c synaptic
17:16<qdb>qdb@localhost:~$ gksu LANG=C synaptic
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17:18<chealer>qdb: is synaptic already opened?
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17:20<qdb>thanks i am going to logout
17:20<chealer>qdb: are you still able to launch synaptic?
17:21<qdb>and it runs without asking password
17:21<chealer>qdb: try using apt-get instead, with $ LANG=C apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
17:21<qdb>because i wrote not long ago i think
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17:22<qdb>where to write $? $ is first letter i should write?
17:24<chealer>qdb: oh, no, $ is already in your prompy
17:24<chealer>qdb: LANG is the first thing to type
17:25<qdb>LANG=C apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
17:25<qdb>qdb@localhost:~$ LANG=C apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
17:25<qdb>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
17:25<qdb>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
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17:25<chealer>qdb: sorry, as root
17:26<qdb>qdb@localhost:~$ LANG=C apt-get install mysql-server-5.0---E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)---E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?---qdb@localhost:~$
17:26<jrabbit>sudo !!
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17:27<qdb>qdb@localhost:~$ sudo LANG=C apt-get install mysql-server-5.0---sudo: LANG=C: command not found
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17:27<qdb>i should write in quotes? chealer
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17:27<newsense>you dont have sudo installed
17:28<qdb>i have
17:28<Morg0th>can anyone tell me how to to make Xinerama work on debian with Xmonad?
17:28<Morg0th>I don't know if it changes with other window managers
17:28<seanius>sudo env LANG=C...
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17:29<chealer>qdb: no, just get a root shell and run LANG=C apt-get install mysql-server-5.0. the GNOME menu has an item for that IIRC.
17:29<Morg0th>My dualscreen works without any problem on Gnome, but on Xmonad I can move the cursor to the other screen but the cursor becomes a cross and I can't do anything in the second monitor
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17:29<qdb>i have not root password at all yet
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17:29<qdb>cannot i make it with sudo?
17:30<seanius>qdb: sudo env LANG=C...
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17:30<chealer>qdb: you can
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17:31<qdb>now i ll give you those same messages english
17:31<Morg0th>noone can help me with the dualscreen?
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17:32<siemens>to use X window in debian
17:32<siemens>i must delete xorg.conf
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17:32<siemens>someone do you know how to fix this
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17:34<chealer>qdb: what it the content of /var/log/mysql.err ?
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17:35<qdb>it is 0 byte long
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17:37<qdb>i go away for a while
17:38<CheeToS>bahaha, I have my setup playing a tune with the mobo speaker when booting finishes now
17:38<CheeToS>this is excellent
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17:39<chealer>qdb: what does # grep -i mysql /var/log/*|grep -v dpkg; output?
17:40<chealer>siemens: you don't have to delete xorg.conf to use X in Debian.
17:40<chealer>siemens: please watch your language
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17:42<siemens>remove file
17:43<siemens>but in my case i must remove
17:43<siemens>or i cant use X
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17:46<siemens>chealer can you tell me why
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17:50<chealer>siemens: not I wrote, you don't have to remove xorg.conf to use X. it's however possible that a specific xorg.conf makes X unusable.
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17:51<siemens>if i cant i have problem with resolution
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17:51<siemens>i don`t know why
17:51<siemens>and keep stay in terminal
17:51<siemens>i buy new hp labtop
17:51<siemens>and may be don`t have drivers
17:52<Pmancgv>anybody know how I can to do link direct to packetnews en,gine
17:53<Pmancgv>I wanna use Xchat like Mirc
17:54<Pmancgv>in mirc i just click over packetnews link, and thats all
17:54<Pmancgv>anybody can help me pls
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17:57<siemens>chealer if i don`t remove i have problem with resolution
17:57<siemens>and debian keep stay in terminal
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17:59<chealer>siemens: what problem?
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18:00<siemens>show me i must config resolution
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18:01<siemens>i try fifty times different resolutions but no results
18:02<siemens>and now i remove xorg.conf file
18:02<siemens>and i can use X
18:02<siemens>but i want to put Beryl
18:02<siemens>Beryl don`t work without this xorg.conf file
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18:05<chealer>siemens: you don't need to specify a resolution in xorg.conf
18:05<chealer>siemens: did you try with none?
18:05<siemens>yes of cours
18:05<siemens>start X
18:06<siemens>but give me error
18:06<siemens>with resolution
18:06<siemens>i use debian i386
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18:18<cconacher_>QUERY mbligh
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18:26<CheeToS>cconacher_: I am not sure if you realize it but your client is sending raw messages to this channel, including your nickserv password
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18:31<melkart>when one has a gnome desktop and then installs the kde-desktop task, one gets an incredibly cluttered menu in gnome, mostly with unimportant applications which don't even have an icon
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18:32<melkart>i found somewhere an instruction how to fix this... however... i wonder if it supposed to be like that
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18:39<kanenas>qui parlate italiano
18:39<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:35<kingsley>Is it OK for a dhclient.conf file to both request, and send, a host-name? This seems to be implied by the sample toward the end of
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19:52<Alexplay>WHen compiling kernels, is better to compile my hardware drivers as modules or buil-in ? What are the pros and cons of each one?
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20:02<ifvoid>hmm, Lagavulin!
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21:47<RIVE>Hi, good ebening.
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21:55<snogglethorpe>ifvoid: Lagavulin!
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22:12<yappingboy>am i using the program correctly?
22:13<yappingboy>anyone on?
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22:16<jrabbit>turned off part/joins
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22:46<Aleric>I want to convert a .j2c (jpeg 2000 stream) to ANY format that GIMP can read and has transparency. Does any tool exist that can do that?
22:46<Aleric>The only tool I can find is j2k_to_image, but that can't deal with transparency apparently.
22:47<miguel>hi! I installed debian (amd64) two months ago, and bluetooth doesn't work! with lsusb there's no bluetooth device, but with dmesg i can read some lines like bluetooth core v2.xx
22:48<miguel>the bluetooth led is always off :( but bluetooth it's enabled in bios
22:48<miguel>anyone can help me? :)
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22:52<dmoerner>miguel, if it doesn't show up in lspci, you may be out of luck. does anything show up in dmesg if you modprobe hci-usb?
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22:58<miguel>no, it doesn't show up in lspci :(
22:58<miguel>i must try "modprobe hci-usb"?
22:59<dmoerner>yes, as root
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22:59<miguel>[ 9595.656124] Bluetooth: HCI USB driver ver 2.9
22:59<miguel>[ 9595.656124] usbcore: registered new interface driver hci_usb
23:00<miguel>that's the last lines of dmesg? it's good? :)
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23:10<Web-sidux364>how come iceweasel looks so ugly compared to firefox and is there a way to make it look the same?
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23:11<miguel>web-sidux364, have you tried to change the skin? :)
23:12<miguel>I like Rain 3.0
23:12<Web-sidux364>yeah it still looks not nearly as crisp
23:13<Web-sidux364>well many other complaints besides that
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23:13<Web-sidux364>but ill look at rain 3.0
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23:18<Web-sidux364>even with the skin, everything is like gray, like the space between the buttons and whatnot
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23:19<Web-sidux364>like ideally i would like the standard windows firefox theme
23:22<miguel>i don't know how to do that, but surely there's a theme anywhere to look as windows firefox
23:22<miguel>but why try to see like windows? ;)
23:22<Web-sidux364>i guess its not the theme, i just hate that its like all completely gray, i want it to be white
23:24<Web-sidux364>i actually dont like the windows theme, i just like the colors
23:24<miguel>i'm not sure i understand you, the theme can change the colors, you can try a mac os x theme that changes really all
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23:26<miguel>(excuse me if i look like a rude, i don't speak english very well...)
23:28<amphi>Web-sidux364: there are endless themes for ff/iw - find one you like? failing that, make your own?
23:28<snogglethorpe>yay! swfdec finally works with youtube...
23:29*newsense installs swfdec
23:29<amphi>miguel: is there no Fn-key combo to toggle bluetooth on there?
23:30<miguel>there's a switch button to turn on/off wifi and bluetooth, but i disabled that button by bios so the bluetooth keep turned on all time
23:31<miguel>it's strange, because with dmesg i can read that the system doesn't recognize any bluetooth hardware
23:32<miguel>but kernels actives bluetooth :(
23:32<miguel>[ 19.494515] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.11
23:32<miguel>[ 19.494519] NET: Registered protocol family 31
23:32<miguel>[ 19.494519] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized
23:32<miguel>[ 19.494519] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
23:32<miguel>[ 19.558898] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.9
23:32-!-miguel was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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23:34<miguel>(sorry, i don't know how to use paster bot of #flood, i'm a newbie)
23:34<newsense>check that theme out
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23:35<amphi>!tell miguel -about paste
23:36<newsense>miguel, has a nasty vista logo in the right corner though
23:36<amphi>newsense: it wasn't miguel that wanted it
23:36<Web-sidux364>it was me
23:36<newsense>oh my bad
23:36<Web-sidux364>but yeah i dont want vista
23:36*newsense is stoned
23:37<Web-sidux364>i guess my complaint is that iceweasel is generally ugly overall
23:37<newsense>it serves its purpose though
23:37<amphi>Web-sidux364: nonsense, everyone does - the 'wow' or some such
23:38<newsense>wow ?
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23:38<miguel>it's not ugly, it's only different, you'll get used to gnome/kde and iceweasel in few days :)
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23:39<newsense>i use the default theme and i see nothing wrong with it
23:39<newsense>goes well with my default kde theme
23:40<amphi>Web-sidux364: iceweasel/ff uses the current gtk theme, sorta
23:40<Web-sidux364>yeah, thats generally whats annoying i think
23:40<snogglethorpe>amphi: actually a lot better than it used to
23:40<newsense>amphi, thats what i was thinking but wasnt sure as i use the kde default
23:40<amphi>snogglethorpe: right, but still imperfectly
23:40<amphi>stupid XUL ;)
23:42<miguel>anyone has an idea about my bluetooth problem?
23:42<snogglethorpe>amphi: dunno, i'm sure there are odds and ends that are wrong, but it's quite close -- it seems to do a better job (e.g., renders rounded widgets without artifacts) than the native-gtk browsers like epiphany and midori (granted, that's mostly 'cause they generally suck at everything)
23:43<amphi>midori works well here, I don't use iw at all any more
23:43<miguel>i think it could be because before installing debian i had windows vista, and like i didn't use bluetooth so much, i disabled it by bios
23:43<miguel>then i installed debian and i enabled bluetooth, but anything i've tried works :(
23:45<miguel>must i reinstall vista, enable bluetooth, and reinstall debian? or only reinstall debian? perhaps compile a kernel (but i don't know how)?
23:46<snogglethorpe>miguel: i frankly have no idea how debian handles bluetooth (none of my hardware supports it), but i kinda doubt that reinstalling vista will help anything
23:46<newsense>miguel, is the module loaded, didnt see your original comments
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23:48<miguel>yes, module loaded, dmesg show up that system doesn't recognize any bluetooth device, but kernel modules are loaded!!
23:49<newsense>have you run hidd --search
23:49<amphi>or hcitool scan
23:50<qdb>i blocked an image in epiphany but it has no disappear
23:50<qdb>i wrote its url inblacklist file
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23:50<miguel>yes, but the results: Device is not available: No such device
23:51<qdb>it it valid css icon on debian org page
23:51<qdb>can adblock block images?
23:52<newsense>miguel, what about hcitool dev
23:52<snogglethorpe>miguel: are you sure your hardware is actually supported by linux?
23:52<miguel>and only that
23:52<newsense>looks not to be
23:53<miguel>yes, i know people with EXACTLY the same computer, and bluetooth works well
23:53<qdb>i am sorry
23:53<snogglethorpe>miguel: perhaps you should do some poking around on their computer, and see what messages the driver outputs, see what lspci says, etc
23:53<qdb>i have gone asleep
23:54<snogglethorpe>miguel: then you can at least get a feeling for what should be happening, and perhaps find the earliest point at which things diverge on your computer
23:54<qdb>that says many lines like grep: /var/log/acpid: Permission denied
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23:54<newsense>miguel, have you double checked your bios i heard you mention you had it disabled and activated it are you sure you commited the changes ?
23:54<newsense>might be worth a second look
23:55<miguel>i've checked many times that bluetooth is enabled in bios :( and lsusb and lspci don't show the bluetooth device, it's like it doesn't exist
23:55<chealer>hi qdb
23:56<newsense>miguel, i believe you but thats exactly why i suggested it
23:57<miguel>i'll try one more time :)
23:57<chealer>qdb: could you paste the whole output?
23:57<miguel>i come back in few minutes! bye!
23:57<qdb>all files are denied
23:58<qdb>do you need? if all denied
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23:58<qdb>i have just also tried to open them
23:58<qdb>to see
23:58<chealer>qdb: oh, that needs to be run as root
23:58<qdb>and could not
23:59<chealer>qdb: it may be easier if your system's administrator would come here
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