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---Logopened Sun Dec 28 00:00:22 2008
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00:00<qdb>i am only an administrator
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00:02<qdb>http://rafb.net/p/z6Vook94.html
00:02<qdb>cheanler
00:02<qdb>chealer
00:05<chealer>qdb: your mysql daemon fails to start. the relevant lines are "[ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address" and "Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ?"
00:05<chealer>what is the answer?
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00:07<qdb>i do not have other mysql i think. but may be when i tried to install several times other leaved
00:07<miguel>hi again! :)
00:08<miguel>i disabled bluetooth in bios, tried all you told me. then i enabled bluetooth in bios, tried all again, and anything changed, exactly the same in dmesg, lspci, lsusb, hci*...
00:08<qdb>leaved running in memory
00:09<qdb>that is continuation
00:09<amphi>miguel: what kernel, BTW?
00:09<chealer>qdb: right, but it looks like that was the first error. did you retry after restarting the computer?
00:10<miguel>2.6.26-1-amd64
00:10<qdb>not i think, don t remember
00:10<amphi>miguel: I ask, as it seems bt toggle is now not functioning here, with .28 ;)
00:10<qdb>should i restart? cannot i kill that other?
00:11<qdb>"kill"
00:11<miguel>compile my own custom kernel?
00:12<chealer>qdb: restarting may be an easy way, but you could also kill the problematic process if that's indeed the issue.
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00:18<qdb>i said i cannot see logs. i checked "can view logs" in users admin but i still cannot. i do not see mysql in system monitor.
00:18<qdb>chealer
00:20<chealer>qdb: I think you don't need to view more logs for now. you just need to find why you get "Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address" and fix the issue.
00:20<qdb>i did not install bind
00:21<qdb>chealer
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00:24<chealer>qdb: in this context, "bind", represents the English verb "to bind", not the software
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00:25<qdb>what can i do? i soon go away for a while. chealer
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00:27<chealer>qdb: you could restart and retry installing mysql. otherwise, do you have a process which listens on port 3306?
00:28<qdb>i do not know. how can i know. programs i started are xchat and epiphany
00:28<qdb>and gedit and terminal and nautilus
00:29<miguel>how can i compile a kernel? once i tried to do that but when i compiled it, it didn't have an initrd, and didn't work
00:29<Kdas>anyone know a good 3mile+ wifi attena/card?
00:29<qdb>i just want that is made without restart. excuse me. but then at least i will restart
00:29<Kdas>miguel, you must have forgot to do the last steps ;)
00:29<qdb>chealer
00:30<newsense>miguel, --initrd
00:30<newsense>!tell miguel about kp-mantra
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00:33<miguel>newsense i don't understand what you told me
00:33<newsense>you using kernel-package ?
00:34<miguel>with kernel-package i can't compile last kernel version, no?
00:34<newsense>dont understand ya buddy sorry
00:35<miguel>i think i didn't use kernel-package when i tried to compile
00:35<newsense>if you are using kernel-package and you need an initrd add --initrd before kernel_image
00:35<newsense>listen to dpkg than and try it out
00:36<chealer>qdb: what does # netstat -ltpn|grep 3306; output?
00:36<newsense>its nice itll make a .deb package of your kernel you can than use dpkg -i to install it
00:36<chealer>miguel: if you don't mind, why do you want to compile a kernel?
00:36<newsense>chealer, comes in the with money question !
00:37<newsense>cheers!
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00:37<newsense>shoulda been the first thing i said
00:37<miguel>:D
00:37<miguel>perhaps with a new kernel bluetooth works!! :)
00:37<chealer>Kdas: what do you mean by a "3mile+ wifi attena/card"?
00:40<qdb>there are i have seen other strange lines in syslog with encoding problem
00:40<qdb>qdb@localhost:~$ sudo netstat -ltpn|grep 3306; output--bash: output: command not found
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00:40<chealer>qdb: the command stops at the ";"
00:41<qdb>ok
00:41<chealer>miguel: changing random compile options is unlikely to solve problems
00:41<qdb>said nothing
00:42<qdb>qdb@localhost:~$ sudo netstat -ltpn|grep 3306---qdb@localhost:~$
00:42<qdb>chealer
00:42<chealer>qdb: does mysql-server-5.0 still fail to install?
00:43<qdb>yes
00:44<miguel>do you think it's a bad idea to try with a new kernel?
00:45<newsense>if your gonna try dont use the same version kernel use a newer one
00:45<qdb>i go away for a while
00:46<miguel>i've installed 2.6.26-1-amd64, i think the last kernel.org version is...2.6.28
00:46<miguel>with kernel-package i can compile 2.6.28?
00:46<newsense>miguel you dont by any chance need firmware do you "bluez-firmware"
00:47<newsense>nm
00:47<newsense>for a broadcom dongle
00:47<miguel>i don't understand that (i'm spanish :$)
00:47<chealer>qdb: what does # ifconfig; output?
00:47<newsense>knew i seen a package before related to firmware and spoke before i looked at the description
00:49<newsense>miguel, is this a laptop ?
00:49<miguel>Dell XPS M1330, yes, a laptop
00:50<newsense>is there a button for bluetooth ?
00:50<newsense>is it on
00:50<miguel>there's a switch that can can enable/disable bluetooth and wifi or both
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00:51<miguel>but i disabled it, and can't disable anything now
00:51<newsense>?
00:51<miguel>so wifi and bluetooth are on (in fact, i'm using wifi)
00:52<newsense>maybe try just bluetooth i dunno
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00:54<squid>hi all
00:54<newsense>miguel, btw i googled your model and everyone says bluetooth just works out of the box with linux
00:54<newsense>and they even sell it with ubuntu preinstalled
00:55<miguel>yes, i also saw that
00:55<newsense>miguel, your the only person on the planet with this problem go figure
00:55<newsense>might want to send it to dell
00:55<miguel>i think the problem is that when i installed debian the bluetooth was disabled in bios
00:55<miguel>could it be possible?
00:56<newsense>that wouldnt effect ti
00:56<newsense>no
00:57<miguel>there's no solution then :(
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00:57<miguel>really thank you for your time!
00:57<Kdas>chealer, thanks i am getting help somewhere else... unless you know aobut high powered attenas
00:57<newsense>no problem
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00:59<miguel>bye to all!!
00:59-!-miguel [~miguel@82.158.124.245.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
00:59<WorldBFree>does something only get written to the boot log if there is an error?
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01:04<somnus>hi
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01:25<leon>Скинти Wow Плиз
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01:28<qdb>http://rafb.net/p/9WXVjq41.html
01:28<qdb>chealer
01:28<qdb>why you want to know this?
01:29<qdb>i have come but then my sister sit
01:29<chealer>qdb: did you check bug #444107?
01:29<qdb>no
01:30<qdb>where to look
01:30<qdb>i search in debian site
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01:32<qdb>now i see valid css icon is blocked in epiphany!
01:33<qdb>i blocked it
01:33<qdb>to test
01:34<qdb>i found that bug and now will read
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01:40<qdb>chealer what can i do ?
01:41<chealer>qdb: did you read the bug report?
01:41<qdb>i see ifconfig lacks localhost. yes
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01:42<qdb>how to create that interface
01:44<qdb>chealer
01:44<Valtiel-ASD>debain can a working with apple alluminium keyboard ?
01:44<Valtiel-ASD>with multimedia buttons
01:44<chealer>qdb: what does # ifconfig lo; output?
01:44<Valtiel-ASD>i see what ubuntu can it
01:45<Valtiel-ASD>but i dont't know have an debian kernel support of this device
01:45<qdb>lo Link encap:Local Loopback--- LOOPBACK MTU:16436 Metric:1--- RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0--- TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0--- collisions:0 txqueuelen:0--- RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
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01:45<qdb>chealer
01:45<Supaplex>qdb: man 5 interfaces
01:47<chealer>qdb: the interface is already created, but it's down. you can put it up with #ifconfig lo up
01:47<qdb>ok thanks
01:48<Aleric>I want to convert a .j2c (jpeg 2000 stream) to ANY format that GIMP can read and has transparency. Does any tool exist that can do that?
01:48<qdb>now mysql is installed
01:48<Aleric>The only tool I can find is j2k_to_image, but that can't deal with transparency apparently.
01:48<qdb>chealer thank you
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01:49<gsimmons>Valtiel-ASD: Wired or bluetooth?
01:49<Valtiel-ASD>wired
01:50<Valtiel-ASD>usb
01:50<qdb>i could not know that command out from that manual i think chealer
01:50<qdb>so you said it to me i think
01:51<qdb>i go away
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01:57<RoDuS>hello
01:57<PMT>hello.
01:58<RoDuS>any one here who can help me with a problem?
01:58<PMT>Potentially.
01:58<PMT>Describe it. :)
01:59<RoDuS>i just installed debian on an old p2, it set up grub, so i put another hd in the p2 and installed puppy, but when i try to edit the /root/grub/menu.lst i dont have privledge?
01:59<RoDuS>total linux newby here
02:00<RoDuS>life long dos,win user.. try'n to find an alt to vista assimilation..
02:00<Supaplex>RoDuS: what's id say?
02:00<RoDuS>id?
02:01<PMT>the command, id
02:01<Supaplex>eg, /usr/bin/id (but it's in $PATH usually anyway)
02:01<RoDuS>text editor says in a red box ontop "could not save file /boot/grub...., you do not have the permision neccesary..
02:02<Supaplex>are you root? is the filesystem read write?
02:02<RoDuS>no, i cant figure out how to get root privledges
02:02<newsense>su
02:02<Supaplex>su -, sudo, login as root in the first place.
02:02<RoDuS>typ su in the terminal
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02:03<RoDuS>i dont know how to login as root, i did the dvd install, put a master pw in a user name and a user pw..
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02:03<Supaplex>!tell RoDuS -about grounding
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02:05<bartleby>can someone help me figure out how to sync a palm pilot with gnome-pilot
02:05<bartleby>this is driving me nuts
02:06<Supaplex>what's a palm pilot? is that another way to say rosy palm and her five sisters?
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02:06<bartleby>are you joking supaplex?
02:06<Supaplex>yes haha :)
02:06<bartleby>pshew
02:06<bartleby>lol
02:07<evertt_zufelt>I keep getting invalid block size when trying to coppy an image to an SD card using dd for windows. Any suggestions?
02:07<PMT>what image?
02:08<Supaplex>mmm, install debian?
02:09<squid>allyourbasearebelongstous
02:10<squid>;o)
02:10<evertt_zufelt>PMT: debian-eeepc.img It works fine on a USB memory stick, but not SD.
02:10<Supaplex>evertt_zufelt: ahh. there's a utility called physdisk for windows that'll do similar to dd. maybe your bs= is off?
02:10<squid>evertt_zufelt how to mount USB Flash in debian and put those image on it?
02:10<craigevil>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallOnSDcardOrUsbStick
02:11<squid>thx
02:11<craigevil>easier to just install it to the ssd and quicker
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02:12<evertt_zufelt>craigevil: Trying to get Debian installed on my eeepc, but running into some problems. Basically trying to setup the eeepc installer so that I can use it through ssh.
02:12<craigevil>never used ssh, you might have to go with the Standard install method
02:13<evertt_zufelt>I think you're right. I downloaded the necessary files for both.
02:14<evertt_zufelt>craigevil: It's been a journey trying to get Debian onto my eeepc as a completely blind user, but I think I'm getting close now.
02:14<craigevil>no luck finding someone to help?
02:15<qdb>hello. when i tried to block screen and then switch user to unlogged user i could not. now i have gone to log out then switch user and could log in to it. then i switched user and once i logged back without password prompt! once it said you can return back to your session and i selected it and it asked for password second time.
02:15<squid>where download from usb img?
02:16<squid>or do it from debian intall cd?
02:16<craigevil>squid: http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/images/debian-eeepc.img
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02:18<squid>craigevil please tell how to mount usb?
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02:18<craigevil>just follow the instruction of the page, they are pretty easy to follow
02:19<CMack>hello all
02:20<CMack>have a question regarding Etch on an iMac G3 NewWorld. Specifically, how to get the screen to sleep entirely from only the console.
02:21<evertt_zufelt>craigevil: Not yet. But, more importantly, I would like to do it myself so that I can create a howto for other blind users. There quite a few blind users looking for an accessible way to get Debian onto their computers. It is far better than Ubuntu for use with the Orca screen-reader and supports far more hardware than OpenSolaris
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02:21<qdb>is switchi user going to be changed?
02:21<CMack>It does blank properly, but this screen has a fairly high brightness level, and I'd like to see if it's possible to get it to completely power down as it does under Gnome.
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02:22<qdb>i go away
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02:26<phorce1>CMack: man setterm
02:27<phorce1>CMack: search for powerdown (or maybe poweroff)
02:27<CMack>phorce1: thanks for your response, but I have tried that, and while the blank time setting works, the poweroff setting is ignored completely
02:27<CMack>I may not have all I need for power management
02:27<CMack>any idea what package is useful on PPC Debian?
02:28<phorce1>try setterm -powersave powerdown and see if it goes to sleep
02:28<CMack>ah
02:29<phorce1>did it power down?
02:29<CMack>no
02:29<CMack>response is: "cannot (un)set powersave mode"
02:29<CMack>this as root, btw
02:31<phorce1>CMack: OK, mine doesn't work in console either. Now I'll be up all night trying to figure out what used to be different that made it work
02:31<CMack>:/
02:31<CMack>sorry? :D
02:31<phorce1>(no error, just didn't do anything)
02:31<CMack>If I knew how Gnome was pulling it off (or maybe it's XORG itself), there might be some hope
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02:32<CMack>but I'm trying to avoid running a window environment at all costs to keep this little box speedy
02:32<phorce1>CMack: OH, you're trying it in an xterm
02:32<CMack>oops
02:32<CMack>yes
02:32<CMack>I am
02:32<phorce1>that's where the error comes from
02:32<CMack>sorry, I wasn't clear enough about that
02:33<CMack>yeah, running pure prompt if I can help it
02:33<CMack>it's just an IRC client box atm
02:33<phorce1>CMack: in an xterm -- 'xset dpms force off'
02:33<evertt_zufelt>Can anyone point me to a clear howto on setting up the standard debian installer to allow me to connect to it using ssh?
02:33<CMack>one sec, trying
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02:33<evertt_zufelt>Note, I have the installer on a USB memory stick.
02:34<CMack>phorce1: response is: xset: unable to open display ""
02:34<phorce1>evertt_zufelt: never done a no-keyboard install, sorry
02:34<phorce1>CMack: do it as the user who is logged into X
02:34<CMack>ah well that's the problem
02:34<CMack>I'm not running X at all
02:35<CMack>is what I'm looking for specific to X?
02:35<phorce1>you are in an xterm, so you are running an X server, just maybe not a window manager
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02:36<CMack>okay, I think we have confusion in terminology
02:36<CMack>I'm at a basic prompt, no manager or X environment whatsoever
02:36<CMack>BUT
02:36<CMack>I *did* have Gnome running on this box at one point
02:36<CMack>that's when I saw that it could power the screen down
02:36<freex>hi all
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02:36<CMack>now that I've gone back to pure prompt, I was hoping that behavior could still be invoked
02:37<phorce1>CMack: hmmm then I don't know why setterm gave you the error you were getting
02:37<CMack>hmm
02:37<phorce1>CMack: it only does that to me when I run it insode X. When run outside of X at a pure TTY it just silently does nothing
02:38<craigevil>evertt_zufelt: try http://www.die-welt.net/index.php/blog/174/Installing_Debian_Etch_over_SSH_or_a_rescue_console_in_10_steps
02:38<phorce1>CMack: and, yes, xset is specific to X
02:38<CMack>okay
02:38<CMack>well that at least explains why that command was giving me the virtual finger, then
02:38<CMack>hehe
02:38<phorce1>CMack: you need setterm (and need to know why it is failing)
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02:39<CMack>seems like
02:39<rafiks>hello..
02:39<rafiks>just wondrin what happened to bx on unstable
02:39<gsimmons>!tell rafiks -about bitchx
02:41<phorce1>CMack: maybe something like apmd needs to be running?
02:41<CMack>I think you're right...
02:41<CMack>I tried looking through apt repository for it
02:41<CMack>but no dice
02:41<rafiks>gsimmons: what now?
02:42<gsimmons>rafiks: Use something else?
02:42<rafiks>gsimmons: kinda forces me to do it..
02:42<CMack>whoops
02:42<CMack>strike that
02:42<CMack>found it
02:42<rafiks>gsimmons: using irssi now
02:43<CMack>ohh...
02:43<CMack>crap
02:43<CMack>"No APM support in kernel"
02:43<CMack>in other words, I missed something crucial during install
02:44<phorce1>CMack: heh
02:45<phorce1>something that X loads with the video hardware to be able to do it from insode X
02:45<CMack>no doubt
02:46*phorce1 has a "NightNight" button on the toolbar that DPMS powers down the monitor without having to wait for the screen saver to kick in
02:48<CMack>nice
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02:48<CMack>or is that "nicenice"?
02:48<CMack>:D
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02:49<rafiks>exit
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02:53<Jpdota>well i'm glad i'm not the only person who types "exit" into IRC and expects it to quit like terminal :)
02:53<CMack>lol
02:54<CMack>"What the...?" (sheepishly): "Oh."
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02:54<oobe>hello
02:55<Jpdota>yes, exactly :) i've done it on multiple occasions and always feel stupid and/or like im spending too much time in terminal when i do
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03:15<Dracie>Jpdota, spending too much time in terminal is a symtom of user efficiency
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03:16<Jpdota>i try to avoid diseases like that! "efficiency" it just SOUNDS bad
03:18<Dracie>lol
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03:20<ranix>I alias exit to /quit myself
03:21<ranix>all-around less embarrassing than back in the day when I would 'look' instead of '/who' to see who was in the channel
03:21<ranix>too much mud
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03:22<Jpdota>:) when you start trying to tab-complete in regular text-boxes it's also a problem :)
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03:30<aetheria>i have a backup of a 64-bit system and cannot chroot into it. is there a way to query the package cache with dpkg to list what packages were installed in it?
03:34<oobe>aetheria, cat the cache files
03:35<aetheria>oobe: they are not readable
03:35<aetheria>AFAICT
03:35<aetheria>not int text format that is
03:36<aetheria>i need a switch to dpkg to tell it to read from an alternate pkgcache
03:36<stew>aetheria: you could look at /var/lib/dpkg/status
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03:38<aetheria>stew: ah yes. i was using that, and made an error and was reading the wrong one by accident
03:38<aetheria>awk '/ok installed/ { if (x) print x } { x = $0 }' var/lib/dpkg/status |cut -d " " -f 2 |sort -n |less
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03:39<aetheria>i had put the / in front of the path and thus was reading it from the host system, wondering why it wasn't showing the full list :-\
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03:49<enouf>aetheria: you could've used full path, from outside the chroot (once mounted - ala; /mnt/point/var/lib/dpkg/...) or, just use a leading ./ ala; ./var/lib/dpkg...
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03:51<aetheria>ah the wonders of a leading .
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03:54<jim_p>hello people
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04:09<U-boot92>there was a discussion about the next stable release between debian developers
04:09<U-boot92>does anyone know details
04:10<cahoot>U-boot92: sift through mailing list or planet.debian?
04:10<stew>U-boot92: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/12/msg00453.html
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04:13<U-boot92>cahoot, stew thanks
04:13<william>this kubuntu sucks
04:13<jim_p>lmao
04:14<william>i can not find mround desktopy way a
04:14<cahoot>william: even complaints about *buntu is OT here
04:14<william>?
04:14<cahoot>this is #debian
04:15<william>see i dont even know where iam
04:15<william>pisser
04:15<cahoot>william: try #ubuntu on freenode.net
04:16<william>let me see about getting there
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04:17<william>craper i there by my self
04:17<cahoot>sounds improbable
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04:28<kde12not4me>could someone help me with a sudoers file?
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04:28<kde12not4me>I'm trying to use aptitude but I keep getting a message that my username is not in the sudoers file
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04:29<aetheria>the sudoers man page is a good start
04:30<kde12not4me>and I'm on a fresh install of debian lenny
04:30<kde12not4me>I'm new to linux
04:30<kde12not4me>could you explain?
04:30<aetheria>man sudoers
04:30<aetheria>type that in a console
04:32<cahoot>kde12not4me: http://www.wlug.org.nz/SudoHowto
04:32<aetheria>normally the file is edited with the "visudo" command, so you might need to find a cheatsheet for vi commands to help with editing
04:32<kde12not4me>thanks...that man thing is a lot of reading
04:33<cahoot>kde12not4me: google tends to offer help in even the smallest linux matter
04:34<kde12not4me>i appreciate the help...I'm a 10 year OS X user just starting to use linux
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04:34<cahoot>why?
04:35<kde12not4me>well I got a new HP laptop and couldn't stand Windows Vista within 20 minutes of turning it on
04:35<cahoot>I got the impression osx is the creme de la creme of os's
04:35<enouf>!tell kde12not4me -about sudoers
04:35<kde12not4me>I have an iMac but I can't take that everywhere with me
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04:39<kde12not4me>ok I got the sudoers file fixed
04:39<kde12not4me>but now I get this error
04:39<kde12not4me>http://pastebin.com/m720e902f
04:40<kde12not4me>thats when I try to install anything through apt-get
04:40<cahoot>kde12not4me: maybe you need relogin as user
04:41<cahoot>(to update perms)
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04:42<kde12not4me>nvm got it fixed
04:42<kde12not4me>one more question and then I'll get out of your hair
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04:42<kde12not4me>how come everytime i go to install something through apt-get it wants me to insert the first installation DVD?
04:43<craigevil>comment out the dvd in your sources.list
04:43<cahoot>your /etc/apt/sources.list
04:43<kde12not4me>is there any other stuff I should add to my sources.list while I'm in there?
04:44<enouf>!tell kde12not4me -about security
04:44<cahoot>would much depend on what's already there
04:44<groulder>take out all the deb-src shit too
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04:45<enouf>no need to remove the deb-src lines, unless they refer to non-official dumps, or the cd/dvd
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04:45<kde12not4me>http://pastebin.com/m52569fe4
04:46<kde12not4me>thats what it looks like after I commented out the DVD
04:48<cahoot>kde12not4me: you want something like deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ Lenny main non-free contrib
04:48<cahoot>change de to what's appropriate
04:48<kde12not4me>so en for english I'm guessing?
04:48<kde12not4me>or us?
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04:49<cahoot>!mirrors
04:49<dpkg>from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
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04:54<hachi>hi
04:54<hachi>I've got a box here that claims eth0 is configured anytime I boot
04:54<hachi>but there's no IP address, or default gateway configured
04:54<hachi>if I ifdown/ifup the device again it does the correct thing
04:55<hachi>how do you debug this sort of behavior?
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04:55<hachi>running lenny
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04:56<EmleyMoor>Has anyone managed to get Sun Java 6u12 for AMD64 yet?
04:56<enouf>hachi: you mean ifdown/ifup the iface?
04:56<enouf>!tell hachi -about interfaces
04:56<enouf>!tell hachi -about z25
04:57<hachi>yes
04:57<hachi>neither of those articles give me new information
04:57<hachi>the device is named properly at boot
04:58<EmleyMoor>hachi: What is going wrong with it?
04:58<hachi>like I said
04:58<hachi>at boot
04:58<hachi>no IP address/default gateway
04:58<hachi>ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
04:58<hachi>fixes it
04:58<hachi>BUT, ifup eth0 claims the device is already configured
04:58<hachi>if I don'w call ifdown first
04:59<hachi>so the startup scripts obviously are thinking the device is being started
04:59<aetheria>hachi: FWIW i have so many issues with ifupdown that i'm pretty much ready to bypass it and write my own script
04:59<EmleyMoor>Can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces?
04:59<hachi>sure, it's the one generated by the lenny installer
04:59<aetheria>once you start trying to do more things with it like tun and bridged interfaces, things get worse
04:59<enouf>hachi: try 'ifconfig eth0 up' .. ls /etc/init.d/if*
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05:00<hachi>enouf: I already said that there's no IP address anchored to it, and the init scripts are being called correctly
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05:00<enouf>hachi: so what - i asked you show me output
05:01<kde12not4me>ah i think i got the hang of all this stuff now
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05:01<hachi>http://nopaste.snit.ch/15100 # interfaces
05:02<enouf>hachi: it's possible your NIC module isn't being loaded properly on boot - you should pastebin dmesg | grep eth , lspci -k, and /interfaces , etc
05:02<hachi>/etc/init.d/ifupdown /etc/init.d/ifupdown-clean
05:02<enouf>ok, for the ls output, afaik
05:03<hachi>I've added the module to /etc/modules as an attempt to make this work
05:03<aetheria>yeah hachi i would look in syslog for possible messages related to networking
05:03<hachi>the module is loaded at boot
05:03<hachi>nothing in syslog
05:03<enouf>hachi: might need it loaded from initrd ... so, which module and NIC? (things i asked for would show which)
05:03<hachi>no, you didn't ask for that
05:04<hachi>bnx2
05:04<ubuntu>!list
05:04<dpkg>one warez list being sent to ubuntu
05:04<enouf>dude - 'lspci -k' would
05:04<EmleyMoor>Does it need allow-hotplug or might auto be better?
05:04<hachi>tried both allow-hotplug and auto
05:04<enouf>EmleyMoor: nope - auto is better
05:05<hachi>lspci needs to be installed, since this is a bare lenny box
05:05<hachi>so I have to down/up the interface now
05:05<hachi>and I can't get you any more of the tainted output
05:06<hachi> Kernel driver in use: bnx2
05:06<hachi> Kernel modules: bnx2
05:06<hachi>I said it was bnx2
05:06<hachi>did you not believe me?
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05:08<stew>hachi: did you install firmware for the bnx2?
05:08<hachi>yes
05:08<hachi>I don't think it would work at all if I didn't do that, right?
05:08<enouf>aha firmware: bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw
05:09<enouf>let's see your entire dmesg
05:09<gsimmons>hachi: Any errors reported concerning the loading of this firmware during boot? Your issue sounds like bug #494936, but this was fixed back in October.
05:09<hachi>hang on, reboot in progress
05:09<EmleyMoor>I can't make a package from the Sun Java I just fetched - looks like I may have to plonk it on
05:09<hachi>gsimmons: I just built the box from scratch last week, using the weekly built installer
05:09<hachi>dmesg coming soon
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05:14<EmleyMoor>Ah - make-jpkg has a buglet with two-digit updates
05:14<hachi>http://nopaste.snit.ch/15101
05:15<hachi>only thing I see that I forgot
05:15<hachi>I'm running inside the xen hypervisor
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05:15<hachi>but xen networking is all disabled
05:15<hachi>so it's not trying to twiddle it into a bridge or anything like hta
05:16<hachi>that
05:17<hachi>gsimmons: it's not that bug, the devices are there just fine
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05:17<hachi>the OS believes it has configured them, but just hasn't
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05:18*enouf thinks it's somehow a xen related issue
05:18<hachi>well, I've been trying to get xen working on this box since I built it too
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05:19<hachi>it likes to tell me that hotplug is broken anytime I create a domU
05:19<aetheria>file a bug report against ifupdown
05:19<wnd>EmleyMoor, if you're looking to make-jpkg 64-bit browser plugin, try http://wnd.katei.fi/patches/java-package-0.4.1.ea-1.diff (work related hack and thus for ubuntu, but also applies to debian if you ignore debian/changelog)
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05:20<hachi>I still don't know if the xen packages in lenny on amd64 are expected to work
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05:21<hachi>I tried to ask if anyone knew that it should work fine... but got yelled at
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05:21<hachi>it's possible that it's just broken
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05:21<aetheria>kvm is much better IMHO
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05:21<craigevil>https://jdk6.dev.java.net/6uNea.html should work for 64 bit Java
05:22<hachi>kvm is nice, but I'm trying to do this as more of a self-setup system
05:22<hachi>kvm doesn't have a 'start these virtual machines on boot' that I can see
05:23<hachi>besides, xen and kvm are supposed to be using the same underlying code now, I thought
05:23<aetheria>pretty straightforward to do with a script
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05:23<aetheria>i have a generic kvm template script to launch VMs that i just customize for each one
05:23<hachi>that and, I would hope that packages in lenny which is due out sometime would work
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05:25<aetheria>also, there is the new libvirt abstraction layer that can handle different virtualization backends
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05:27<enouf>hachi: you might want to test out various things such as pci=nommconf (kernel boot param) or maybe the 'modinfo bnx2' param; add options: disable_msi to /etc/modprobe.d/any-file-name
05:28<hachi>wha?
05:28<enouf>hachi: also query the NIC using ethtool for other possible info
05:28<hachi>why do you think this is a kernelspace problem?
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05:28<hachi>I seriously think this is a userspace problem because I can just add the ip address and it wokr
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05:29<enouf>b/c i'm comparing dmesg messages to a normal iface boot .. it might just be a SNN disordering
05:32<EmleyMoor>How can I list the files in a .deb?
05:32<hachi>dpkg -c file.deb
05:32<dpkg>drwxr-xr-x root/root 9742 2005-7-22 01:01:59 ./usr/share/file.deb/pr0n/hiltons.xpm
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05:35<EmleyMoor>Iceweasel jcan't find the java plugin that should be part of the package I just built
05:38<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/24581/ shows all in the .deb with "plugin" in it
05:40<EmleyMoor>Has it missed something or do I need to take some manual action?
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05:44<EmleyMoor>Is there a system-wide iceweasel plugins directory or are they "per user"?
05:44<simonrvn>/usr/lib/{iceweasel or firefox whatever}/plugins
05:45<simonrvn>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
05:49<EmleyMoor>Wow, it goes
05:50<EmleyMoor>Needed just one symlink
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06:10<dgodfather>Hi, Folks
06:10<dgodfather>my debian used to be pushing memory to the edge for caching files to ram
06:11<dgodfather>but since i upgraded to lenny i see my ram isn't utilized quite as well
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06:11<dgodfather>what am i supposed to run so it will utilize the caching machanism which makes linux so great
06:12<dondelelcaro>dgodfather: you don't need to do anything; files that get accessed will be cached
06:12<cahoot>you mean it swaps?
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06:13<dgodfather>dondelelcaro: but it seems no caching is done, there is alot of unneccessarily free memory
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06:13<dgodfather>cahoot: no, i mean the automatic caching of files to ram
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06:14<dondelelcaro>dgodfather: how long as your machine been running? what is the output of free?
06:15<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m73b3e324
06:16<dgodfather>dondelelcaro: it's wierd the system monitor only shows 1.8 GB used
06:17<dgodfather>but free -m show 3.7
06:17<petern>what does the third line of free show?
06:17<hachi>are you reading the - buffers/cache part of free?
06:18<petern>1919040 is pretty close to 1.8GB...
06:18<dondelelcaro>dgodfather: well, free is right, and I've no clue what the system monitor is showing
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06:18<hachi>both seem to be right
06:19<dgodfather>petern: that's only the cache part
06:19<petern>1647024 is "no caching" ?
06:19<hachi>free shows 1919040 which is 1.874 GB
06:20<petern>hachi, 1024, not 1000
06:20<hachi>fine, 1.83
06:20<hachi>:)
06:20<dgodfather>hachi: no it's 1.6
06:20<dgodfather>but whos counting
06:20<dgodfather>:)
06:20<hachi>hachi@miyako:~% perl -le 'print 1919040 / 1024 / 1024'
06:20<hachi>1.83013916015625
06:21<petern>so what's the problem, apart from not understand free's output?
06:21<dgodfather>hachi: http://pastebin.com/m199a1179
06:21<hachi>yes,
06:21<hachi>I got that number, 1919040 from that paste
06:21<hachi>oh wiat
06:21<hachi>other one, but whatever
06:22<dgodfather>well i looked in the system monitor and it confused me my mistake not looking first in the free :)
06:22<dgodfather>10x anyway
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06:24<petern>and "10x" doesn't sound anything like "thanks" :o
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06:28<onetinsoldier>hello all. i haven't update my lenny installation for a few weeks and now i get errors reagrding failure to fetch Packages.bz2 and Sources.bz2 files exiting with error code (2). any ideas on how to fix?
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06:35<EmleyMoor>"10x" sounds like "thanks" from a New Zealander
06:36<fxiny>you arguing with the godfather ? hmmm :P
06:37<EmleyMoor>New Zealanders even have trouble with the Queen's husband's name
06:39<onetinsoldier>hello. i haven't updated my lenny installation for a few weeks and now i get errors regarding failure to fetch Packages.bz2 and Sources.bz2 files exiting with error code (2). any ideas on how to fix?
06:39<EmleyMoor>onetinsoldier: Tried another mirror?
06:42<onetinsoldier>EmleyMoor:no, but i have it set on what i believe gives me random mirrors... http://ftp.debian.us.org/
06:42<EmleyMoor>onetinsoldier: "us.org"?
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06:43<EmleyMoor>us, if used, would need to come before debian
06:43<onetinsoldier>do ihave that wrong, i should say ijust change the file to try and get apt working.
06:43<fxiny>exactly
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06:45<onetinsoldier>ok, now that you put it that way EmleyMoor, i believe know what i did wrong there now. it should be --> http://ftp.us.debian.org/
06:45<fxiny>onetinsoldier: next time ping it
06:45<onetinsoldier>fxiny: roger. thank you. and thank you EmleyMoor
06:46<fxiny>onetinsoldier: EmleyMoor spotted it , not me
06:47<onetinsoldier>roger, it's working now. apt updated
06:47<onetinsoldier>thank you guys
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06:48<qdb>hello
06:48<fxiny>hahah still in memory , contact yahhhh :))
06:48<qdb>i see there are in default apache config some
06:49<qdb>fixes for browsers features
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06:50<qdb>i would want there is fix for msie6 bug that rerequests image files that are in background
06:50<qdb>and gets them with 200
06:50<qdb>if possible such fix
06:51<qdb>i tried to add some fix with expires, max-age
06:51<qdb>but it does not work may be with some msie6's
06:51<qdb>ah yes this bug is not with all msie6's as i know
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06:52<fanfan>help,my computer fail to suspend
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06:59<philippe_>Test
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07:19<fanfan>Help
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07:31<qdb>how to look readme.gz in terminal?
07:33<simonrvn>zless
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07:48<IHateWindows>hi all
07:48<IHateWindows>I was wondering if someone could help me with a kernel panic I am having
07:49<IHateWindows>I'm running debian lenny, and sometimes randomly the computer will lock up and the Caps Lock light will flash
07:49<IHateWindows>it did the same thing in ubuntu as well
07:49<enouf>run memtest86+
07:49<enouf>reseat all pci cards and ram sticks
07:50<IHateWindows>i already did that....laptop is fine and all tests passed
07:50<enouf>try other kernel versions
07:50<IHateWindows>i fixed it before in ubuntu by installing some backports module in synaptic
07:50<enouf>compile a kernel and try to force it .. check BIOS settings
07:50<enouf>maybe even try cpuburn
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07:50<RichiH>IHateWindows: _which_ package? ;)
07:50<enouf>oh, and video card driver .. change it
07:51<herra>Hi
07:51<enouf>use vesafb if needed
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07:51<herra>Need a little help please guys
07:51<IHateWindows>I'm working on installing the nvidia drivers atm
07:51<herra>I've finally taken the plunge and installed debian on my server.
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07:52<herra>Its up & running.. but I'm a total noob and can't figure out how to serve http a dirctory of text files
07:52<herra>Ive installed the lampp files but am now stuck
07:53<herra>could anyone hold my hand?
07:53<enouf>how did you install LAMP stuffs?
07:53<herra>urr..
07:54<herra>$ sudo aptitude install apache2
07:54<herra>$ sudo aptitude install php5
07:54<herra>$ sudo aptitude install mysql-server
07:54<herra>$ sudo aptitude install php5-mysql
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07:54<enouf>wonderful ... (weenie)
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07:54<enouf>~$ tasksel --task-packages web-server
07:55<herra>I'm sorry enouf .. is that for me?
07:55<enouf>and read the docs - see the man pages - /msg dpkg grounding ((almost) nobody wants to hold hands)
07:55<enouf>yes herra
07:56<herra>I'm sorry I don't understand.. is that a command or ??
07:56<enouf>see /usr/share/doc/* for starters too
07:56<enouf>yes - remove the ~$ though
07:56<herra>I've been up all night rading apache tutrials and am still no wiser
07:56<fxiny>enouf: you sure ? what about Uma ? ;P
07:57<enouf>fxiny: umagumma? or umathurmon? :-P
07:57<fxiny>enouf: Uma playing gumma :)
07:57<enouf>haha
07:58<enouf>herra: also other resources; debian-administration.org and wiki.debian.org
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07:58<herra>(enouf): tasksel failed
07:58<herra>how do i paste in here
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08:00<enouf>!tell herra -about paster
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08:01<enouf>herra: tasksel isn't imperative; it's supposed to make things easier using metapackages-like
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08:02<herra>http://paste.debian.net/24589
08:02<enouf>this is what it spits out here; libapache2-mod-python apache2-doc libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-perl2 apache2-mpm-prefork analog (note; i'm on a weirdo mix of etch/lenny/sid)
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08:04<melkart>my relatively fresh debian testing install sometimes hangs during boot with the messages "Cleaning up ifupdown..." and then "Loading kernel modules..." . i (had to) tinkered with my system as follows: i appended the line "prepend domain-name-servers 156.154.70.1,156.154.71.1;" to the file /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. this (hang during startup) happened to me twice now, it might not happen again, but if it's a bug, i'd like to report it....
08:04<enouf>hrm 345 my $path="$infodir/$task.$script";
08:07<herra>SO? any ideas?
08:07<enouf>melkart: what does ~$ find /etc/rc?.d/ -name '*if*' | xargs return?
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08:07<enouf>herra: not really - which debian version/release?
08:08<herra>is thera command to type to give this for you?
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08:08<melkart>etc/rc0.d/S15wpa-ifupdown etc/rc0.d/S36ifupdown etc/rc6.d/S15wpa-ifupdown etc/rc6.d/S36ifupdown etc/rcS.d/S39ifupdown etc/rcS.d/S18ifupdown-clean
08:09<herra>"version" or something?
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08:09<enouf>herra: really - i think you should follow what "/msg dpkg grounding" suggests/tells you
08:09<melkart>(i am logged in now under another debian install on another partition.. i mounted the other partition (where the error happened) and entered the command from its root directory)
08:10<herra>lok i appreciate you're very busy with difficult questions about compiling sources etc.. but everyone starts somehwere.. RTFM doesn't help me.. is there a chan on IRC for noobs where people will help people lñike me?
08:10<enouf>melkart: that part looks ok .. i don't have the wpa stuffs here , (no wifi)
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08:11<enouf>herra: it's just that your issue is too vague - but try dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
08:11<melkart>enouf: sorry, i don't know what wpa is. i have no wifi, either (if that is in any way relevant)
08:11<herra>what's vague? I want to configure apache to serve a directory of files?
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08:11<enouf>melkart: likely installed through the wpasupplicant or wireless-tools pkgs
08:12<ehnvis>herra: configuring apache isnt a debian question. It should be asked in any of the apache channels
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08:13<enouf>!customer
08:13<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
08:14<melkart>enouf: indeed, i have these two packages installed, although this must have happened automatically. (my two installs on the two partitions are nearly identical, so i can tell what's installed on the fail-partition by seeing what's installed here)
08:14<enouf>sure .. yep
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08:14<enouf>melkart: you should try to see which non-needed services are loading, stop them from loading at boot, /msg dpkg update-rc.d
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08:15<enouf>melkart: netstat -tunap, lsof -i -n as root will come in handy
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08:15<enouf>melkart: i use a little ncurses tool called rcconf
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08:15<kuzz>tin.it
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08:20<melkart>enouf: thank you, but i dont know what all these services are needed for, so i can't figure out which i should disable and which not. maybe this is too complicated for me. could u tell me if u think if it's likely to be a bug in the kernel or elsewhere?
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08:24<enouf>melkart: i can't tell just yet..
08:24<Morg0th>hello
08:25<Morg0th>do anyone know how to make xinerama or xrandr work on debian?
08:25<enouf>melkart: might want to install the harden-doc pkg - but pastebin the output of those commands and tell us which you think you might be using
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08:26<Morg0th>X multiscreen is working but Xinerama doesn't want
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08:28<melkart>enouf: ok, i will try to reboot into the system where the hang happened. hopefully it will not happen again this time, then i will chat back to you from there... cu from the other side
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08:29<enouf>melkart: check logs as well
08:29<melkart>enouf: which ones?
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08:30<melkart>well, i'll reboot now, you can tell me then... cu
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08:35<enouf>melkart: in /var/log/{messages,syslog,kern.log,dmesg} etc
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08:42<evertt_zufelt>Can debian and Ubuntu use the same swap partition on a dual boot system?
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08:43<craigevil>yes
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08:45<melkart>enouf: i am under the system where the hang happened now. it didnt happen again this time. the hang happened at 13:58 local time. http://paste.debian.net/24592/ <- this is a part of /var/log/syslog . i think, though, that the messages from 13:56 were probably from the previous shutdown. it seems that at the boot of 13:58 it didnt even get that far as to write log entries, because i cant find any with the timestamp 13:58...
08:45<melkart>the messages of dhclient look somewhat suspicious to me
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08:47<melkart>http://paste.debian.net/24593/ , http://paste.debian.net/24594/ <- these are the outputs of the commands you gave me
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09:00<makaraky>Hi there good morning, I would like to ask you how can I select between several OS in diferent hard disks for booting
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09:00<Woet>How the hell is this possible? http://pastebin.com/m24aed080
09:01<makaraky>Maybe in the master HD I can do something in order to be able to use grub even for booting from another HD in that case Slave
09:03<fxiny>just edit your grub menu.lst
09:03<makaraky>hi woet did you check with source instead of ./ and also do you have su permisions?
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09:04<Student>Greetings every one
09:04<Woet>makaraky: like the pastebin shows, the permissions are fine
09:04<makaraky>fxiny: I will have a look thanks
09:04<Student>how can i install open-office on my machine?
09:04<Woet>and I think I do, how could I check?
09:04<Woet>Student: apt-get install openoffice, I guess
09:04<fxiny>makaraky: read provided docs/examples in /usr/share/doc/grub/
09:04<Woet>execute apt-cache search openoffice '
09:04<Woet>to find it
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09:05<Woet>makaraky: it evens with root too
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09:05<Woet>so I don't think it's a permission issue
09:06<makaraky>Woet: what should do or generate your script
09:06<Woet>makaraky: it isn't a script, it's a gameserver
09:06<Woet>could this be because it's made for a 32 bit machine, and I'm running 64 bit?
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09:07<Student>Woet could't find package openoffice
09:07<makaraky>Woet: for sure ! you need your script for your microprocessor
09:07<Woet>Student: apt-cache search openoffice
09:07<fxiny>Student: it's called openoffice.org
09:08<Woet>makaraky: I might be lacking a 32 bit version of libstdc
09:08<Woet>makaraky: do you have any idea how to install it?
09:08<Student>ok fxiny ,thanx
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09:08<fxiny>Student: np
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09:41<melkart>if there is a pkg and several pkgs with the localization for a certain language... like "acroread", and "acroread-fr", "acroread-de" etc, in the debian-multimedia repository... is it possible to construct the main pkg in such a way that the appropriate localization (according to the system's locale) will automatically recommended or depended upon? there are several pkgs (like koffice, gwenview), which don't automatically pull in the appropriate
09:41<melkart>localization for system's language
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09:53<tony_dei_cartoni>c'è qualcuno??
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09:56<fxiny>can't you see we are all talking fast ? fix your irc client :P
09:58<tzafrir_laptop>melkart, technically possible. Not always preffered
09:59<tzafrir_laptop>Just because you like e.g. French, does not mean you also want acroread
09:59<tzafrir_laptop>For Hebrew there is user-he
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10:04<qdb>yet was logged in account of my sister after restart. that time i could not log in to my account. for that i refuse your linux distro this time and am going to install ubuntu again.
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10:04<fxiny>wt4x ?
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10:05<Tsunami__88>ciaoooooooooooooooooooooo
10:06<Tsunami__88>!list
10:06<dpkg>one warez list being sent to tsunami__88
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10:14<snogglethorpe>hmm so he can fail to log into his account ... with shiny icons!
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10:17<fxiny>i can understand *his* syster loggin into his account , and deleting all his pr0n :P
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10:18<fxiny>but not this way ;P
10:18<snogglethorpe>maybe his keyboard is just too sticky
10:18<snogglethorpe>he can't type his password correctly
10:20<Morg0th>Do anyone know how to make Xinerama work on Debian?
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10:22<frank_>having some issues accessing usb drive
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10:23<fxiny>hmm : is it a bug or a feature ? rmdir non-existent-dir > "... No such file or directory" . rm -fr non-existent-dir > nothing
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10:26<petemc>fxiny: man rm
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10:26<fxiny>petemc: sure
10:27<petemc>you pretty much never need to use -f any more
10:27<fxiny>petemc: no more force ? nice , did not know it .
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10:28<petemc>its from when rm used to question your desire to remove non empty dirs
10:30<fxiny>petemc: i've checked it now . nice improvement
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10:36<bitmad>hello
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10:53<evandar>hi, where can I set number of desktops? I suppose it should be one of the X conf. files. Thanks for answer
10:53<ehnvis>evandar: its your de/wm that controls the amount of desktops.
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10:54<Toad>hi all
10:54<Toad>i have a litle problem here
10:54<Toad>i did an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
10:54<Toad>and now i can get into fluxbox again
10:55<evandar>ehnvis: well, i have Gnome... i can't find it
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10:55<Toad>i can see gdm but when i try to log in i get the gdm again
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10:55<ehnvis>evandar: rightclick on the "desktop switcher thingy" and change the number?
10:55<Toad>i tryed with startx and the X dont show any errors
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10:57<evandar>ehnvis: oh, i'm noob :D thanks...
10:57<ehnvis>Toad: did you do an update from etch to lenny or from lenny to sid?
10:57<Toad>ehnvis: im in sid since 1 year
10:58<Toad>i did a dist-upgrdade from etch yes
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10:58<ehnvis>if you've been in sid for over a year why did you do an dist-upgrade then?
10:59<Toad>i did when i update from etch to sid
10:59<Toad>one year ago
10:59<Toad>i get the nvidia 'spalsh' and then the X dont start
10:59<Toad>i dont have any 'EE' in X log
10:59<ehnvis>Toad: well you said you did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade just now why?
11:00<Toad>ehnvis: i did one year ago sory
11:00<Toad>not now
11:00<ehnvis>well what did you do now then that made your X stop working?
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11:01<Toad>ehnvis: i did an apt-get upgrade
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11:01<Toad>and then i reboot and the X stop working
11:01<ehnvis>and what did it upgrade?
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11:01<fxiny>so upgrading to sid gdm lost fluxbox ? have you checked /usr/share/xsessions/ ?
11:02<Toad>dont know but a lot of packages
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11:02<Toad>fxiny: /usr/share/xsessions/
11:02<Toad>fluxbox.desktop gnome.desktop kde.desktop
11:03<Toad>if i try run gnome in gdm it return the gdm again
11:03<fxiny>i'm experinting in my lenny with qingy and slim . they both work , i have only flux installed waiting for xmonad and awesome
11:03<fxiny>experimenting*
11:03<Toad>qingy ? slim ? whats that ?
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11:04<ehnvis>login mangers like gdm
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11:04<fxiny>nice login managers , quingy uses frambuffer and i love it
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11:04<fxiny>qingy*
11:04<fxiny>slim is more user friendly
11:04<Toad>is just apt-get install ?
11:05<Toad>need configuration ?
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11:05<fxiny>qingy ? read docs , edit inittab and switch fb on
11:05<Toad>ok
11:06<Toad>when i get my X working good i will do that
11:06<Toad>i wonder if is a bug or semething
11:06<fxiny>qingy detetcs flux no porbs but if you set log level to debug it can't start fluxbox
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11:07<fxiny>i have some problem with my hardware running shutdown -h , i think is my hardware . no time for chasing a bug
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11:08<Toad>the only wierd thing i have in X log is
11:08<Toad>xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "Koad:0" in "remove" command
11:08<fxiny>for a flubbox user slim looks a much better solution then gdm/kdm/xdm
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11:09<fxiny>but hell , qingy looks so wonderful for my eyes
11:09<fxiny>i dislike eyecandy
11:09<fxiny>;)
11:09<Toad>more eye candy than gdm ?
11:09<Toad>lol :p
11:10<fxiny>check out google screenshots
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11:10<fxiny>that's the candy i love
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11:10<Toad>fxiny: i dont have X man :P
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11:10<fxiny>fast , not mainstream , not ubuntuesque ...
11:10<Toad>just screen + irssi
11:10<fxiny>Toad: fb
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11:11<Toad>i see later fxiny
11:12<Toad>need fix this now
11:12<Toad>:p
11:12<fxiny>the only think is : i could not tell qingy to switch off fram buffer before shutting down . i think that is my problem
11:12<fxiny>Toad: see you
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11:23<knoppix_>hello
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11:24<Guest1708>someone can give advise to get cd to hd and boot from there?
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11:52<SamuraiDio>hi all
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12:11<daitu>hello.
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12:29<qdb>hello
12:29<qdb>restart button does not work
12:29<qdb>how can be such bug?
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12:30<SamuraiDio>i have a problema to make a ZTE modem be recognized as a modem (not as usb storage, as it primary is), i mde it work with usb_modeswith and udev tules, but only at boot
12:30<SamuraiDio>how ca i make it work every time i plug the modem?
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12:32<qdb>restart button does not work
12:32<qdb>how can be such bug?
12:32<SamuraiDio>don't repeat yourself
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12:33<qdb>may be my new installed debian is hacked from internet?
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12:43<SamuraiDio>why my udev rules work only at boot: http://pastebin.com/f5d86c621 ??
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12:46<tzafrir_laptop>SamuraiDio, first-off, for ZeroCD you run both scripts. Is that intended?
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12:47<SamuraiDio>tzafrir_laptop, what?
12:47<tzafrir_laptop>Running both scripts for the case of ZeroCD
12:48<enouf>SamuraiDio: as opposedto be being truly hotpluggable?
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12:48<SamuraiDio>tzafrir_laptop, what do you mean by both scripts?
12:48<SamuraiDio>what scripts?
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12:50<cahoot>behövs inte om han nu bara vill läsa
12:50<tzafrir_laptop>SamuraiDio, err... both RUN commands
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12:51<SamuraiDio>tzafrir_laptop, that not the problem, i just tried with only one
12:51<SamuraiDio>(not rebooting)
12:51<SamuraiDio>my doubt is why that works fine at boot (when i boot up the pc with the modem plugges in) and not if i plug it later
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12:55<cahoot>dmesg acknowledges the modem when it's plugged in?
12:55<enouf>SamuraiDio: take comparisons of output of something like "udevinfo -q all -n /dev/usb/usb0" (or whatever the /dev/name given to it - use dmesg to see perhaps) - you can swap the .. '-n /dev/../..' part with '-p /sys/../..' if that works better
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12:56<TheKing>How do I change the SSH message
12:56<TheKing>when somebody logs in
12:56<TheKing>It says whatever I want it to
12:56<SamuraiDio>enkrypt, how can i check what is the created dev?
12:57<SamuraiDio>enouf, how can i check what is the created dev?
12:57<enouf>SamuraiDio: see if any of this is useful http://www.cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda - also note; in Lenny/Sid, i believe udevinfo and udevmonitor are now merged into the udevadm command
12:57<enouf>SamuraiDio: ls -l /dev/disk/by-* (??) .. and dmesg
12:57<SamuraiDio>yes, they are
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12:58<SamuraiDio>my dmesg tail: http://pastebin.com/d3321f53f
12:58<fxiny>TheKing: edit/uncomment /etc/sshd_config > Banner /etc/issue.net
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12:58<TheKing>k
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13:01<SamuraiDio>enouf, the "disk" does not appear anywhere. seens that there's no device created
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13:04<enouf>SamuraiDio: well, other /dev/names are created other than /disks
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13:05<cahoot>SamuraiDio: isn't that the purpose? i e not 'seeing' it as a disk
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13:07<SamuraiDio>no, the pourpose is see it as a modem
13:07<cahoot>(at least that's how my wireless modem device is treated by linux)
13:07<enouf>for example, IIRC, when i had a usb printer plugged in, there existed a /dev/usb/usb0 or /lp0 or something .. no idea what modems are seen as - but i'm sure /Documentation/devices.txt knows
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13:08<cahoot>ttyHS#?
13:08<enouf>SamuraiDio: see if lshal shows anything, or even try lshw or something - it's a typical 9pin D-9 serial port device?
13:09<enouf>how about /ttyUSB0? or /tty/ASM0 .. er
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13:09<enouf>oh ffs
13:09<enouf>i meant /dev/ttyUSB0, or /dev/ttyASM0 or whatever
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13:10<SamuraiDio>enouf, with the rules, when the pc is started with the modem plugged in, the devs ttyUSB0~2 are created
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13:11<enouf>SamuraiDio: ok .. now when you hotplug after booting, are they created? also compare dmesgs - as when booting when plugged in, it might not show in | tail
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13:13<SamuraiDio>enouf, when hotplugging after boot they are not created (thats the point)
13:13<enouf>SamuraiDio: btw, what's the name and full path of the file you pastebinned?
13:13<enouf>SamuraiDio: i presumed as such
13:14<SamuraiDio>/etc/udev/rules.d/15-zte-mf622.rules
13:14<SamuraiDio>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 897 Dez 28 16:17 /etc/udev/rules.d/15-zte-mf622.rules
13:14<SamuraiDio>ops
13:14<enouf>you might want to assign KERNEL== param .. use a UUID or something
13:15<SamuraiDio>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 897 Dez 28 16:17 /etc/udev/rules.d/15-zte-mf622.rules
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13:16<enouf>that's ok, i'm just thinking that there's some default /etc/udev/* general rules that setup all tty devices and kind of override your config for/when hotplugging ..
13:16<SamuraiDio>hmm
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13:17<SamuraiDio>enouf, how can i make a check if the rule are working fine?
13:17<enouf>SamuraiDio: but really, about the KERNEL== and NAME== see that url i posted, (and follow links too) see /msg dpkg udev rules
13:18<enouf>SamuraiDio: udevcontrol? i forget that one ... one sec
13:18<enouf>SamuraiDio: udevtest ?
13:19<enouf>SamuraiDio: supposedly, you can alter any .rules file, then run udevcontrol --reload-rules to affect changes, but i've seen that be buggy
13:19<enouf>and that might have changed with the udevadm command
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13:21<SamuraiDio>ok, thanks enouf ... i'll restart testing tomorrow, need to go for now
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13:22<wekt>What is the command line program to repeatedly echo a given string?
13:23<enouf>SamuraiDio: er .. it's reload_rules .. only the --help spits it out, my older man pages doesn't even show it as an option
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13:23<SamuraiDio>thanks
13:23<enouf>a for loop? yes?
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13:23<michele># gedit /usr/bin/xchat-firefox
13:23<michele>#!/bin/bash
13:23<michele>xchat --existing --url=$@
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13:24<michele># chmod +x /usr/bin/xchat-firefox
13:24<wekt>enouf: it is 'yes'. Thank you.
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13:25<enouf>wekt: well, that's kind of tough to make work when say you want to echo all 0xFF to every byte on a HDD or similar ;-)
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13:26<enouf>wekt: to write to a file; ~$ while true; do echo -en '\377' >> ./crap/test ; done
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13:26<enouf>wekt: to write directly to HDD/partition; ~$ while true; do echo -en '\377'; done | dd of=/dev/hdc2
13:27<enouf>or ..
13:27<enouf>~$ tr '\0' '\377' < /dev/zero > /dev/hdc2 (for example) - BOTH last TWO are dangerous and WILL DESTROY DATA!
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13:29<mkrist>My experience is that xterm is -so- much faster than every other term I've tried.. It's quite weird, because everyone else don't notice any difference.. e.g. if I change channels in irssi with alt and holding right arrow down, it's extremely fast, but if I do it in e.g. xfce4-terminal, it lags behind and is not fast.. any idea what could cause this? I have decent hardware, it's an 1 year old laptop
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13:33<fxiny>mkrist: i'm on mrxvt , running irssi in screen i use *esc* instead of alt which is taken . try esc
13:33<Nin>hi everybody
13:33<fxiny>or ctrl-n
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13:35<mkrist>fxiny, it's the same.. I just noticed that aterm and urxvt is almost as fast as well
13:35<mkrist>but roxterm and xfce4-terminal aren't
13:36<fxiny>no idea , i'm on fluxbox , what's your mod key ? , run xmodmap
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13:42<Administrator_>fxiny
13:42<Administrator_>do I have to restart sshd?
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13:44<fxiny>Administrator_: to restart ssh type as root /etc/init.d/ssh restart
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13:44<fxiny>now i have to go
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13:57<Wasp>Hey guys, im in the process of trying to install debian lenny.
13:57<Wasp>I've ran into some trouble when trying to set up my wireless (I have the Intel (R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN).
13:57<Wasp>This particular adapter is supposed to be supported by the linux kernel 2.6.24 and later.
13:57<Wasp> Once I started the installation I got to a point where it told me that I
13:57<Wasp> required the firmware file iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode.
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13:57<Wasp>sorry
13:57<Wasp>http://pastebin.com/m1fad3df0
13:58<Wasp>could you guys look at that? I'm having some issues with settin up my wireless
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14:01<chealer>Wasp: I have no experience with 4965, but I tried to install using wireless with a 3945 a few months ago and it also failed to get an IP via DHCP. I never got that to work yet,
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14:03<Wasp>hmm ok. I posted on the Debian forums and there were several people that had gotten this particular adapter to work which led me to try it out.
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14:04<Dracie>hi whats the best way to sync an ipod touch in linux?
14:04<Dracie>could I use a windows virtual machine
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14:22<wekt>I installed a dbg package for a library. How can I set a breakpoint on the library routine?
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14:24<wekt>Dracie: if you connect it, does it act as a mass storage device?
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14:25<dmoerner>wekt, load it in gdb, then type break routine name, then run it.
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14:30<wekt>dmoerner: thanks, but I get a function in another library if I do that.
14:30<wekt>I need to specify what library.
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14:33<kosmonavt>I have a questions related on configuring cardbus wifi adapter: http://pastebin.com/m6d750dd1
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14:35<nikolai>HOWTO
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14:36<IHateWindows>hi I was on here last night with a kernel panic in debian lenny
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14:37<IHateWindows>I get the flashing caps lock light on my laptop
14:37<IHateWindows>the package i used to fix the problem in ubuntu 8.10 was linux-backports-modules-intrepid
14:37<simonrvn>again? :(
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14:38<IHateWindows>a forum post i found says that the wifi driver for the intel 4965agn included in kernel version 2.6.27 causes kernel panics when used with n or g networks
14:39<IHateWindows>and apparently that package installs a newer driver version
14:39<IHateWindows>i tried the iwlwifi drivers but they won't work
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14:40<kosmonavt>nikolai: I followed howto's, but it didn't help
14:41<IHateWindows>is there a way to successfully install linux-backports-modules-intrepid on lenny without screwing stuff up?
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14:44<craigevil>NO do not mix ubuntu and debian
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14:48<Thornley>Hello. Could someone tell me how to install that compiz thing in Lenny?
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14:54<Plazzmex>can i install debian from minimal CD if my computer connected to the internet through a ethernet card and router ?
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14:57<kosmonavt>Yes, you can use netinst version. I have installed Linux on my laptop in the same way.
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14:58<wekt>IHateWindows: which version of debian?
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14:59<IHateWindows>wekt: lenny
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14:59<Plazzmex>kosmonavt: ok.. thanks
15:02<wekt>IHateWindows: if it is the driver, you could pull the latest version of linux and compile it to see if it's fixed, but 2.6.27 is still a recent version and compiling linux takes time to work out right.
15:02<wekt>IHateWindows: have you tried to run dpkg -i on the intrepid .deb?
15:02<IHateWindows>wekt: how would I go about doing that?
15:02<IHateWindows>nope
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15:04<wekt>You could uninstall the other drivers and try to install the intrepid package. I doubt it would work, but can try.
15:04<wekt>IHateWindows: if you are going to be compiling linux, I can tell you about it in #kernelnewbies for example.
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15:05<IHateWindows>ok wekt
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15:40<alien>hi all,Is ther any problem in using backports,are they good ?
15:42<blarson>alien: They arn't security supported.
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15:46<alien>ok...So If i include backport source in the apt source list do an apt get update and apt upgrade would apt choose from the backport site or from the debian mirror ?What do I do if I want backport only for a selected package?
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15:51<k1lumin4t1>has anybody experienced problems installing flashplayer in iceweasel lately?
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15:52<k1lumin4t1>I just did a fresh Debian install using i386 for a AMD64 laptop and I can't get flash to work with iceweasel in neither ways: .tar.gz from adobe site and prepackaged from Marillat repos
15:53<wekt>alien. lenny is far enough along I'd recommend it for a home computer.
15:53<k1lumin4t1>and strangely I have no "plugins" folder inside /usr/lib/iceweasel
15:53<mihkel>Hi. I'd like to get a confirmation about possible bug I've found
15:54<alien>no...it installed without any issues.I think you should be able to get it via apt if you add the contrib or non free sources
15:54<mihkel>When clicking GNU info->editors->nano->some topis, gnome-help crashes
15:54<mihkel>with: ** Yelp:ERROR:(yelp-document.c:217):yelp_document_get_page: assertion failed: (document != NULL && YELP_IS_DOCUMENT (document)
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15:56<mihkel>Anyone willing to spare a few seconds and confirm it?
15:57<HellTiger>k1lumin4t1, there are some install howto's out.
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15:58<k1lumin4t1>HellTiger, yes, I know. But even weeks ago the flashplayer-installer from web method worked like a charm and the "plugins" folder was present
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15:59<k1lumin4t1>HellTiger, the problem is that now when I use that method and tell it to use /usr/lib/iceweasel folder it returns "non-valid destination" error
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15:59<HellTiger>k1lumin4t1, in etch i can install via apt: flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
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16:00<alien>....via apt flash install had no issues.
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16:04<k1lumin4t1>alien, are you using Testing and Iceweasel?
16:04<alien>yes
16:05<k1lumin4t1>alien, could you please check if you have the "plugins" folder under /usr/lib/iceweasel"?
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16:07<davi>Is "debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso" a Live-CD ?
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16:09<k1lumin4t1>no
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16:09<davi>I do not would like have to download an Ubuntu ISO or knoopix, ... to get a live CD
16:09<davi>Is there an Debian Live CD?
16:09<dmoerner>yes
16:10<davi>Let me google for it
16:10<dmoerner>http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
16:10<davi>thanks :)
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16:14<pete_>I'm having some connectivity issues with my wired network. So far its isolated to just my Lenny machine, but every so often eth0 decides that it is disconnected and needs to get a new address.
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16:15<pete_>I've just checked all of the wiring and router settings. I'm thinking that its either some config file in Lenny, or my NIC is starting to go bad. Any thoughts?
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16:44<f-tools>hello
16:44<f-tools>this is a test
16:44<f-tools>ok its working
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17:02<tzafrir_laptop>I fail to load the (acpi) kernel module battery. Error I see: battery: Unknown symbol acpi_unlock_battery_dir
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17:02<tzafrir_laptop>This is a stock kernel, and I'm using modprobe, so I don't expect that
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17:02<tzafrir_laptop>I can't find that symbol with grep in any module, so it must be built in
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17:03<tzafrir_laptop>it is
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17:04<tzafrir_laptop>any way I can find the exact version of the kernel package that is currently loaded? The exact kernel deb?
17:04<tzafrir_laptop>(rationale: I use s2disk)
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17:08<cahoot>tzafrir_laptop: see ahet /proc/version offers
17:08<cahoot>what
17:11<tzafrir_laptop>cahoot, version in /proc/version shows 2.6.26-3 . dpkg -l `uname -r` shows 2.6.26-12
17:11<tzafrir_laptop>I guess I'll have to reboot eventually...
17:12<tzafrir_laptop>I wonder how it managed to wake up
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18:12<Xrm>Hello
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18:13<Xrm>hi, i'm trying to change my screen resolution and i'm wondering if there's a file to manually configure it?
18:16<jt_>Xrm: are you using a desktop environment like gnome, kde, or xfce?
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18:41<Xrm>jt_: Sorry for the delay, yes i am. i am using kde currently
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19:01<Xrm>:o wrong button shut down my pc
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19:04<Xrm>ack, my resolution has gotten even smaller
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19:06<jt_>Xrm: in Kontrol or whatever it's called, there should be an option to change the resolution
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19:06<Xrm>its not found in bash or anything
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19:07<jt_>what's not found?
19:07<Xrm>in the controll center there's only the current resolution
19:07<Xrm>it wont let me choose anything else
19:07<Xrm>and its stuck at 640x480
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19:07<jt_>do you have your video card setup?
19:07<jt_>what card do you have?
19:07<Xrm>an intigrated motherboard card
19:08<Xrm>i'm trying to get an external moniter onot my laptop
19:08<Xrm>which has debian
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19:08<jt_>intel?amd? something else?
19:08<Xrm>intel i believe
19:08<jt_>have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
19:09<Xrm>no, i dont really know those, i'm a bit new to linux
19:09<jt_>ok, su into root, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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19:14<Xrm>hmm, doing good except for moniter refersh rates lol, i think its 60hz but not sure
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19:15<jt_>Xrm: I know you can change that by editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, but I don't know how, sorry
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19:16<Xrm>I was editing that before jt_ and it wasnt working right, so i think i may ahve editited it wrong
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19:16<Xrm>but this way is porbably a lot better
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19:17<Xrm>i'll go with 60 and change it if its not working then
19:17<Xrm>Do i have to restart for all of this to take effect?
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19:17<laura>e
19:18<Xrm>:o
19:18<laura>i
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19:18<jt_>Xrm: I don't think so, try restarting the X server, press ctrl+alt+backspace
19:19<Xrm>that appears to have worked
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19:21<Xrm>:D it worked
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19:21<Xrm>Awesomeness
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19:21<jt_>Xrm: glad you got it working
19:21<Xrm>Thanks for your help
19:21<jt_>np
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19:43<lee>hi
19:44<lee>has any one heard of the new development that YDL has done for the PS3, I am wondering how will this effect those of use that use debian. The new develpments is that YDL is now accessing the RSX Chip for cahing ram?
19:45<lee>I was wondering can we debians do the same?
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19:46<lee>eh any one in here lving?
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19:55<anwarfouad>how can make scirpt to make prgram start with startup and where i put this script to work with startup
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19:56<lee>Eh anwafouad, I havn't the slightest clue where every on is.and iam not that far into linux to help
19:57<lee>are there any pther humans in here?
19:57<Xrm>Last i checked i was human
19:57<lee>lol
19:57<lee>may anwarfouad can repeat his ? lol
19:58<anwarfouad>i want to make program start with startup
19:58<Xrm>I'm pretty new to linux myself so i dont quite know. i've gotten in the habbit of just loading them manually
19:58<lee>ah
19:58<anwarfouad>startup
19:58<lee>hmm in someways I could imagine that would save on headaches
19:58<Xrm>after a while you start to do it without thinking
19:59<lee>treu
19:59<lee>true
19:59<anwarfouad>no
20:00<lee>Xrm, say did you hear about that break through on the PS3? it could radicaly change how all linux distros will function in the future for the console
20:00<Xrm>really?
20:00<Xrm>I hadnt heard that
20:00<lee>yeah
20:00<lee>there using the RSX as a swap
20:00<lee>Eh there usingthe RSX's Vram as a swap
20:00<anwarfouad>yes
20:00<Xrm>i remember a while ago that someone used the ps3 in cracking an encryption
20:01<Xrm>and that the ps3 processor is going to revolutionize encryption technology
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20:01<lee>well since theupdate Sony killed that
20:01<lee>it did literaly
20:01<Xrm>what do you mean?
20:01<Xrm>(i dont own a ps3 myself)
20:01<lee>the dang thing is buttond up like fort nox witha chasity belt thrown in aswell lol
20:01<Xrm>Lol
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20:02<lee>the ps3 has an RSX or eality synesizer
20:02<lee>it is based on an NVida chip
20:03<lee>well for as long as I can tell, that was at oen time open for use, how ever sony decided to zip it
20:03<lee>so we ps3 users cant have 3d graphics
20:03<Xrm>(if i dont respond much i'm attempting to clean up the wires on my desk, since they are quite tangled
20:03<lee>lol I know the feeling
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20:04<lee>at any rate when sony sent the update it killed all uses of the RSX even its ram
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20:04<Xrm>Well they dont have to update it then, and if its for research i'm sure that sony has set aside a special architechture
20:05<lee>that is 256 mega bites wasted, well yellow dog linux is the one that is the first to get this
20:05<lee>so Iam guess YDL will be a hot comodity for um er well you know lol
20:05<lee>you know how people like to take a look under the hood
20:05<Xrm>Lol
20:05*Xrm shrugs
20:06<lee>but this could revolution the entire linux for the PS3
20:06<Xrm>i'm using debian for a media center/coding pc, so i'm still learning how it works
20:06<lee>Oh col
20:06<lee>cool
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20:06<Xrm>wb
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20:06<lee>well I am new to this
20:07<lee>I think sony is going to finaly perhaps cave in
20:07<lee>sooner or later as the console gets older
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20:07<ranix>sounds like an inane conversation is happing up in here
20:07<Xrm>Maaaybbeeeee
20:07<lee>Iam sure when that day comes, all of us that have ps3's will be happy
20:07<anwarfouad>i want to make program start with startup
20:08<lee>ok I'll button it
20:08<ranix>anwarfouad: check .xinit, or the startup scripts in /etc/rc.d
20:08<ranix>rcS.d are startup scripts
20:09<ranix>executed in numerical order. I have a couple of my own commands in there
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20:10<anwarfouad>how i dont know
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20:11<Xrm>anwarfouad: There are a lot of tutorials on linux
20:11<Xrm>err
20:11<Xrm>google*
20:11<Xrm>Sorry
20:12<anwarfouad>ok
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21:16<Xrm>i shall return!
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21:18<knoppix_>sup
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21:25<xun>hello, i have a thinkpad tp_smapi question and hoping someone can help me with it, the instruction says "add the force_io=1 module parameter to thinkpad_ec in /etc/modprobe.conf (or your distribution's equivalent)." I'm running ubuntu 8.10 and there is only the "modprobe.d/" folder, so which file should I edit? I also don't find this "thinkpad_ec" in there. what should I do? thanks!
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21:38<chealer>xun: ask the right channel
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21:39<xun>chealer, you're right. sorry, i didn't notice that my channel has changed to debian, weird...
21:41<Supaplex>!pal xun
21:41*dpkg points at xun and laughs
21:41<Supaplex>:)
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21:46<umarzuki>hi all
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21:48<Supaplex>mmm
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21:54<umarzuki>hi, any kde4 apps great for playing shoutcast .pls file?
21:55<kingsley>Why would the ping command resolve a private network domain name to the wrong IP address, when host, dig and nslookup work?
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21:56<Supaplex>kingsley: /etc/hosts does not compare?
21:56<Supaplex>!tell umarzuki -about search
21:57<mgoetze>kingsley: host, dig and nslookup all query dns
21:57<mgoetze>kingsley: ping uses the system libc resolver
21:57<mgoetze>kingsley: which can be configured using /etc/nsswitch.conf
21:58<mgoetze>kingsley: to test the system resolver, you can use "getent hosts $hostname"
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22:00<kingsley>mgoetze: That's all very interesting. Thanks.
22:00<Supaplex>lol
22:01<mgoetze>kingsley: sure. if you have any more questions, just ask :)
22:01<kingsley>mgoetze: Do you happen to know why ping doesn't query dns?
22:01<Supaplex>kingsley: did you look at /etc/hosts ?
22:01<mgoetze>kingsley: well you might not want it to
22:02<kingsley>Supaplex: The domain names aren't in /etc/hosts because their IP addresses are assigned by dhcp.
22:02<mgoetze>kingsley: for instance, you might prefer writing "ping host" to "ping host.department.internal.company.tld"
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22:02<mgoetze>kingsley: so what does it say in the "hosts:" line of your /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
22:02<Supaplex>kingsley: show us the nsswitch.conf at rafb.net/paste - maybe you have mdns or something
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22:03<kingsley>mgoetze: #hosts: dns files
22:03<kingsley>mgoetze: Note that it's commented out.
22:03<mgoetze>kingsley: there's no uncommented version?
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22:03<kingsley>mgoetze: Ah! Indeed there IS an uncommented version. It's...
22:04<kingsley>hosts: files mdns_minimal dns mdns
22:04<mgoetze>kingsley: so your resolver first looks in /etc/hosts, then checks bonjour/avahi....
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22:05<mgoetze>kingsley: try "avahi-resolve-host-name $hostname"
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22:06<kingsley>mgoetze: bash: avahi-resolve-host-name: command not found
22:06<mgoetze>kingsley: apt-get install avahi-utils
22:08<kingsley>mgoetze: I'm open to installing avahi-utils, but I find myself wondering how, if at all, it would affect ping. Do you happen to know?
22:09<mgoetze>kingsley: as i said, ping uses the system resolver configured by /etc/nsswitch.conf
22:09<mgoetze>kingsley: and your nsswtich.conf specifies mdns before dns
22:09<mgoetze>kingsley: and avahi implements mdns, so if you want to debug that...
22:09<kingsley>mgoetze: OK, that makes sense.
22:10<kingsley>mgoetze: Would not a more minimalistic approach be to edit /etc/nsswitch.conf so it doesn't refer to mdns?
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22:10<mgoetze>kingsley: yes, if you don't care about mdns :)
22:11<mgoetze>kingsley: also, after editing nsswitch.conf, restart nscd if you use that
22:11<mgoetze>(or better yet, stop it if it's running without a reason)
22:11<kingsley>mgoetze: I may not know what I'm missing, but I've gotten by fine without mdns so far.
22:12<mgoetze>kingsley: mdns is useful in adhoc networks, e.g. someone comes to visit your house and joins your wlan, and thanks to mdns you can ping his machine by name and whatnot
22:12<mgoetze>kingsley: but normally you don't need it, yeah :)
22:13<kingsley>mgoetze: Very good.
22:13<kingsley>Thanks.
22:13<mgoetze>np
22:13<kingsley>It's time to re-boot.
22:14<kingsley>Much like California's governor, "I'll be back".
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22:25<kingsley>mgoetze: I'm back.
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22:26<kingsley>mgoetze: After changing /etc/nsswitch.conf to "hosts: files dns" and booting, I'm sorry to report that
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22:26<kingsley>mgoetze: the ping command still resolves to the wrong IP address.
22:27<mgoetze>kingsley: what about "getent hosts $host"?
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22:27<kingsley>mgoetze: That's a good idea.
22:28<kingsley>"getent hosts $host" also reports the wrong IP address.
22:28<mgoetze>kingsley: and you're sure it's not in /etc/hosts ?
22:29<kingsley>mgoetze: It's commented out in /etc/hosts with a different IP address.
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22:29<mgoetze>kingsley: also, what happens if you tell dig specifically to ask the nameserver listed in your /etc/resolv.conf ?
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22:30<mgoetze>kingsley: can you show the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf ? (use a pastebin if it's longer than 3 lines)
22:30<rickbot>switching to xorg-ati made no difference so its not fglrx
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22:35<kingsley>mgoetze: There are three "nameserver" lines in /etc/resolv.conf. The first uses 127.0.0.1. dig reports the correct IP address with it. The other two nameservers seem to belong to my ISP and return the wrong IP address when used with dig.
22:35<mgoetze>kingsley: you mentioned dhcp? what is the setting of ddns-update-style in your dhcpd.conf?
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22:37<mgoetze>kingsley: i'm a bit confused which is the "correct" ip address, is it the one you get with ping?
22:37<kingsley>mgoetze: Thanks for asking. I am using dhcp, but it is provided by dnsmasq. dnsmasq.conf contains no "style" string.
22:38<kingsley>mgoetze: That's an important distinction. ping returns the wrong IP address. dig, host and nslookup return the right IP address.
22:38<mgoetze>kingsley: in that case dnsmasq is surely also running the dns server on 127.0.0.1
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22:39<kingsley>mgoetze: You are correct-a-mundo.
22:40<kingsley>Having said that, I'm still at a loss as to why ping returns the wrong IP address...
22:40<mgoetze>kingsley: so your dhcp process is setting some stuff on your local dns, but it's not globally valid
22:41<mgoetze>kingsley: but yeah, it's strange, according to the manpage 127.0.0.1 should be asked first
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22:41<mgoetze>kingsley: any other options in resolv.conf?
22:42<kingsley>mgoetze: If I underdstand you correctly, yes. To be precise, dnsmasq is assigning private network IP addresses to a domain name that's also registered to an IP address outside the private net.
22:43<kingsley>mgoetze: Yes, there are two other options in resolv.conf.
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22:43<rickbot>anyone have an idea why not all my memory is being used?
22:43<kingsley>mgoetze: The fist line says...
22:43<kingsley>mgoetze: options attempts:5 timeout:8 rotate
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22:43<rickbot>inxi says: Mem[-255.5/885.1MB-] but i have 1024MB installed
22:44<mgoetze>rickbot: i have no idea what inxi is, what does 'free -m' say?
22:44<kingsley>which is left over from using diald to establish a ppp connection years ago, and I assume it can be safely removed.
22:44<mgoetze>kingsley: you probably want to take out the rotate option then...
22:44<kingsley>mgoetze: The second line in /etc/resolv.conf says...
22:45<kingsley>mgoetze: domain loaner.com
22:45<mgoetze>kingsley: because otherwise you only have a 1 in 3 chance of getting the right answer
22:45<rickbot>inxi is similar to infobash. free -m says: total 885
22:46<kingsley>mgoetze: The three "nameserver" lines that I described earlier end the file.
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22:46<rickbot>if i boot in a live disk, it shows the right amount so something to do with the sid kernel?
22:46<mgoetze>rickbot: dunno, you may want to look through the output of dmesg
22:47<rickbot>k
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22:48<kingsley>mgoetze: I've commented out the entire line for diald/ppp, which says "options attempts:5 timeout:8 rotate", and I'll now reboot.
22:48<mgoetze>kingsley: you shouldn't need to reboot
22:48<rickbot>don't know what to look for though
22:48<mgoetze>kingsley: if you're running nscd, stop it
22:48<mgoetze>kingsley: it should work immediately
22:49<kingsley>mgoetze: I'm happy to report that for once, you're right again.
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22:49<kingsley>mgoetze: Not only did I not need to boot, but, getent and ping now return the right IP address.
22:50<rickbot>[ 0.000000] Warning only 896MB will be used.
22:50<rickbot>hmmm
22:51<rickbot>[ 0.000000] Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel.
22:51<kingsley>mgoetze, mgoetze, brave, courageous and bold! Long live his fame, long live his glory, and long may his story be told!
22:51<rickbot>is there a way to fix this or do i have to build a kernel?
22:51<mgoetze>rickbot: this is a standard debian kernel?
22:52<rickbot>sid kernel
22:52*kingsley needs to go soon...
22:52<mgoetze>rickbot: if so, you may want to look through the bug reports and possibly file a bug
22:52<mgoetze>kingsley: see ya
22:52<rickbot>maybe
22:53<rickbot>last time i built a kernel i seem to remember a setting about memory. something like what dmesg is talking about
22:53<rickbot>guess they left it off in the sid kernel
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23:11<Xrm>Hello again
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23:12<Xrm>Hi, i'm trying to install my webcam for the debian machine, and in the apt-get menu there's the source code, does that mean i still ahve to complie it myself?
23:12<Guest1807>What package contains ptrace for debian?
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23:16<mgoetze>Xrm: does it depend on or recommend module-assistant? if so it should be very easy
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23:19<Xrm>I'm not sure
23:19<Xrm>i'm following directions on a website
23:19<Xrm>and i downloaded the source from sourceforge, and untar'd it
23:19<Xrm>but its telling me to use the command "make all" and thats not doing anything
23:20<craigevil>what webcam?
23:20<Xrm>logitech quickcam
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23:22<craigevil>crap i was going to tell you the modules were in the kernel, but its not in debian , i use a sidux kernel and its already in it
23:22<Xrm>Lol
23:23<Xrm>well the make command is giving me a number of errors
23:23<Xrm>so i'm going to try the source files on the apt-get
23:24<Guest1807>ok im figuring it out today, but i think im missing a dependency for vmware :S
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23:25<craigevil>Xrm: what kernel version are you running?
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23:26<Xrm>the newest one i'd assume, i only installed this last week
23:26<Xrm>how do i check?
23:27<Guest1807>How can I see what thing I'm missing for the vmware installer?
23:27<Guest1807>I tried using the strace and I had no luck
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23:28<craigevil>Guest1807: you probably just need the any.any.patch google it
23:29<rickbot>memory problem solved!
23:29<Guest1807>craigevil: I thought you were joking for a second
23:29<rickbot>needed to install the 'bigmem' version of the kernel ;)
23:30<Guest1807>craigevil: Whats that do anyways?
23:30<Xrm>umm, where does apt-get install to anyway?
23:30<Xrm>cuz i cant find what i jsut isntalled
23:30<craigevil>fixes it so vmware sees the correct kernel path
23:31<Guest1807>Hmm so is there any doc how to use it?
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23:31<craigevil>it should just be a .deb or .bin that runs, you use it first then install vmware, or you can just use virtual-box :)
23:32<Guest1807>okay
23:33<Guest1807>But the problem was that the bundle from the installer I got won't even extract correctly, is that the same issue?
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23:34<craigevil>i havent messed wth vmware since virtualbox came out and the new virtualbox will use vmware images
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23:35<Guest1807>Hmm does it have better performance than vmware?
23:35<craigevil>even supports OPenGL in the 2.1 version
23:35<Guest1807>Hmm what are the reqs?
23:35<craigevil>its runs on this crappy dell with 512 ram
23:36<Guest1807>No not like that :p, for the kernel
23:36<Xrm>damit
23:36<craigevil>Guest1807: its a debian package just aptitude install
23:36<Xrm>whats it mean when it tells me "awk: cannot open /lib/modules//2.6.18-6-686/build/include/linux/version.h (No such file or directory)
23:36<Guest1807>I think I just jizzed in my pants
23:37<Xrm>cuz i get that every time i try to use "make all" to complie the source
23:38<Guest1807>hrm
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23:38<Guest1807>Is there anyway to compile your own kernel from 2.6.27.10, with deb patchs and virtualbox patches?
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23:40<craigevil>hell if your going to compile a new kernel might as well go with 2.6.28
23:40<Guest1807>Well I have a grsecurity patch :p
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23:41<Guest1807>.28 came out on the 24th
23:41*Xrm sighs
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23:42<craigevil>Xrm: search package.debian.org for qc-usb-source
23:43<Guest1807>So craigevil, what would you recommend?
23:43<craigevil>Xrm: install this http://packages.debian.org/etch/qc-usb-source then use module-assistant to build the module
23:43<Xrm>craigevil: Thats what i'm reading in the fourm posts
23:44<Xrm>i was actually about to ask about module-assistant
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23:44<craigevil>ive never used the grsecurity patch
23:44<Xrm>it says to use "m-a" to open it, yet it says command not found
23:44<Guest1807>craigevil: It is a very nice addition to the kernel, adds a lot of security features, and some enhancements (entropy pool enlargement)
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23:45<craigevil>Xrm: aptitude install build-essential module-assistant
23:45<Xrm>Ooohs
23:45<Xrm>that makes sense :\
23:46<Guest1807>So should I just restart with the debian built kernel till they update to .28?
23:46<craigevil>ad why your at it add qc-usb-source to that
23:46<Xrm>i already have that one
23:46<Xrm>i found where apt-get placed it
23:46<Xrm>so i just needed the m-a
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23:51<khirr>hello, is there something like gdialog or zenity?
23:52<craigevil>zenity :)
23:52<Guest1807>craigevil: which kernel should i stick with then? The mainstream or one of these (xen,vserver,openvz)
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23:53<craigevil>you just need the normal kernel if your running a desktop and want to play with virtualbox
23:53<khirr>craigevil is there other like that, with many things like gtk
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23:54<craigevil>got me i dont use gnome im a kde whore
23:54<Guest1807>craigevil gonna be for a server, I'm trying not to install X
23:55<craigevil>there is a server kernel i think, apt-cache search linux-image
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23:55<Guest1807>vserver :/
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23:57<Xrm>craigevil: Thanks :D
23:57<Xrm>It appears to have worked
23:57<Xrm>gonna open up something that records video and try it
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23:57<craigevil>ive never set up a server , i would google debian server vm
23:58<Guest1807>oh wow....
23:58<Guest1807>it was fucking nxbit
23:59<Guest1807>The only thing you can't strace
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