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---Logopened Mon Dec 29 00:00:36 2008
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00:01<Xrm>i'm gonna reload the kernel
00:02<Xrm>so i'll return
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00:02<Supaplex>click-click *BOOM*
00:02<Supaplex>;) ehhehe
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01:36<DennisTheTiger>I have a laptop that is running Testing, with a 2.6.26 kernel. Xorg loads, however the virtual desktop also runs off the screen below. I am unable to figure out how to fix this problem - and xrandr (working with grandr) doesn't seem to be offering any options. I've pulled my own xorg.conf file and ported some of the resolution data into it, but neither xrandr nor gnome-display-properties seems to be reading this part
01:36<DennisTheTiger> fo the file. What can I do to fix this problem?
01:37<DennisTheTiger>(Note, AFK... please msg me with a response)
01:40<Supaplex>I don't follow the problem. you'll have to restate.
01:41<craigevil>virtual desktop is off the screen or when you boot? ive seen nvidia do that at boot
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01:47<DennisTheTiger>craigevil: It's a VIA chip, but I'm running VESA right now.
01:48<DennisTheTiger>Supaplex: Do you need more info?
01:48<DennisTheTiger>Note, too, I cannot scroll the virt desktop either.
01:49<craigevil>using the xserver-xorg-via or openchrome?
01:49<DennisTheTiger>was running -via
01:50<craigevil>if i remember right my desktop did that, words were off the screen on the left a couple of letter and i couldnt scroll, i put a nvidia card in :)
01:50<craigevil>i had the via mb/cpu that was in the gos box
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01:51<Supaplex>oh fun. I have headaches with text modes on that via chrome crap. :( buggy as all $*@$(
01:51<DennisTheTiger>craigevil: that's how you fixed it, or...? This is a laptop I'm working with, so I can't really just drop new video hardware in there.
01:51*Supaplex uses ttyS0 to fix the problem now (router)
01:52<craigevil>via is buggy i would try google to see if there is a fix
01:52<Supaplex>I was going to try coreboot on a test box
01:52<DennisTheTiger>That's fine, but how do I fix the virtual desktop problem?
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01:54<craigevil>i had this , couldnt beat the price when i bought it, $60 for a mb/cpu
01:54<craigevil>have you tried a different vga= setting
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01:56<craigevil>on the kernel line in menu.lst play around with the vga= setting
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01:57<ebzzry>Hi! Is there a dedicated channel in this server for GNOME-related stuff? I'm looking for something like #debian-kde.
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02:01<DennisTheTiger>craigevil: I'll check that out, thanks.
02:03<DennisTheTiger>craigevil:, that file doesn't seem to exist outside of my own grub install, why now am I playing with that file?
02:06<craigevil>kernel line arguement in grub's menu.list to force a video framebuffer mode,
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02:13<DennisTheTiger>craigevil: that file doesn't exist on the laptop. Another idea?
02:14<Supaplex>DennisTheTiger: find /boot/
02:14<craigevil>you dont have a /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
02:14<DennisTheTiger>craigevil: Nope.
02:14<DennisTheTiger>It exists on my system, but not this laptop, oddly.
02:15<DennisTheTiger>Supaplex: See my response to craigevil
02:15<Supaplex>DennisTheTiger: was grub properly installed?
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02:15<DennisTheTiger>craigevil: FWIW, framebuffer mode selection when doing drxx doesn't seem to help the issue.
02:15<Supaplex>and is this really Debian?
02:15<DennisTheTiger>Supaplex: Apparently. The machine boots.
02:15<DennisTheTiger>There were no install errors that I recall.
02:16<Supaplex>do you have a seperate /boot that's unmounted?
02:16<DennisTheTiger>there's a vga.mod in there, but that's an ELF32 exe I think.
02:16<DennisTheTiger>Supaplex: No.
02:16<DennisTheTiger>Note, locate doesn't turn up any files.
02:17<simonrvn>*find* - kocate db might be stale....
02:18<Supaplex>locate doesn't always do the best
02:18<DennisTheTiger>simonrvn: Just ran an updatedb half an hour ago.
02:18<DennisTheTiger>If not slightly longer...
02:19<Supaplex>but there's no question about find / doing its job.
02:20<Supaplex>if find / doesn't show it, check /proc/partitions for unused partitions (I've seen split-brain on /boot mountpoints before), and possibly the install guide for checking all things grub. (finding url, 1m)
02:21<Supaplex>seeing as how your menu.lst is absent, it can't hurt to check the work.
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02:25<DennisTheTiger>Supaplex: Doing the find now. Only "unmounted" partition is the swap partition - in this case, sda1 is the boot.
02:26<DennisTheTiger>Supaplex: There's no way it could have shoved the file into the MBR, is there?
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02:27<DennisTheTiger>gonna roll, I'll look at this later.
02:27<Supaplex>DennisTheTiger: okay. /boot/grub/menu.lst is present on my systems, and this machine is using 32mb in /boot. I don't know how to explain your "works to a degree" situation.
02:27<Supaplex>DennisTheTiger: keep that link handy. I think it'll address your needs just fine.
02:27<DennisTheTiger>Supaplex: Wish I knew. I'll look at that, thanks again.
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02:55<Gekz>I want to customise the ./configure flags
02:55<Gekz>for a debian package
02:56<Gekz>make the bot tell me what I need to know please ;P
02:57<mgoetze>!tell Gekz about gentoo
02:57<gsimmons>!tell Gekz -about package recompile
02:58<Gekz>that's what I was doing
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02:59<Gekz>gsimmons: where else can the configure flags come from?
03:00<gsimmons>Gekz: What package are you attempting to recompile?
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03:54<melkart>at my quite fresh testing install vlc (version 0.8.6h) can't play the video track of any of my videos.. whereas kaffeine plays them fine... i used vlc 0.8.6c successfully for a long time... did i miss to install some plugins or codecs or something?
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03:55<yhlfh>wrong video output?
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03:55<hugo>hello there. I would like to install a realtime kernel in a debian etch box. I've read about that on the internet and I guess I'm a bit scared of doing the copiling myself. I was wondering If maybe I could download the kernel from the debian multimedia repository , or any other. Is there any way I can avoid compiling the kernel myself?
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03:59<wsoprulz1299>Could anyone help me out with setting up my wireless network. I've just finished installing Debian. I have the Intel(R) Wireless 4965AGN adapter which gained support in linux with teh 2.6.23 kernel (which is why installed Lenny). I downloaded the appropriate firmware and placed it in /lib/firmware (iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode) but am now not entirely sure what to do next.
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03:59<Glanzmann>Hello; Has the Lenny installer the possibility to enable hardware encryption?
03:59<Glanzmann>Sorry. not hardware but hard disk encryption?
03:59<wsoprulz1299>I've tried researching some but am not quite sure. I need to connect to the router with a WEP key.
04:00<wsoprulz1299>I chose to hold off on setting up the wireless network during the installatoin process since I had to place the appropriate file in /lib/firmware.
04:00<mgoetze>Glanzmann: afaik it does
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04:05<wsoprulz1299>Anyone have any idea?
04:06<gsimmons>wsoprulz1299: See . You'd generally want to use either a network manager or iwconfig (aptitude install wireless-tools; sensible-pager /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian).
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04:09<wsoprulz1299>alright thanks. I'll give that a try.
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04:10<eldowon>running lenny, using kernel linux-image-2.6.26-1-686, my amd dualcore only shows with one core. How would I go about getting the system to see both cores?
04:12<cahoot>grep -i cores /proc/cpuinfo - really only one?
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04:14<eldowon>cahoot: model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ cpu cores: 1
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04:15<deniz>how do i make network-manager-gnome work? i installed via terminal and even rebooted, i also tried running network-manager and network-manager-gnome as root in terminal (im using lenny) please help
04:16<deniz>i want to be able to use my wireless
04:16<deniz>because i disconnected the wire from my other comp
04:16<eldowon>deniz: I'm not very familiar with wireless, but does ifconfig -a show your wireless device?
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04:18<deniz>eldowon, if it says wlan0 that means it detects? because it says wlan0 and wlan1, wlan1 (im assuming) is the usb wireless card which is the one i want to get working (i put the drivers in /lib/firmware/)
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04:19<eldowon>deniz: from what I understand, yes wlan 0 and 1 are wireless devices. I've *never* been able to get a usb wireless device to work, unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to help you there.
04:20<deniz>eldowon, i doubt my problem is getting the wireless device to work because ive inserted the driver, but my problem is more: why doesn't network-manager-gnome show in the panel like it does on my other lenny computer?
04:20<cahoot>deniz: if you want to use network-manager all entries but 'lo' shoulde be commented out in (etc/network/interfaces
04:20<eldowon>deniz: aah, I don't know about gnome. sorry
04:21<eldowon>cahoot: wouldn't that prevent all networking before x comes up and someone logs in?
04:21<deniz>cahoot, ok i commented all except auto lo
04:22<deniz>now what do i do?
04:23<deniz>why doesn't "network-manager" or "network-manager-gnome" command as root launch it?
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04:23<cahoot>deniz: this involves dbus in a way that's too complicated for me - reboot
04:24<deniz>cahoot, what would rebooting do? i already rebooted after installing network-manager-gnome...or do i need to reboot because i commented out stuff?
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04:24<cahoot>at least restart dbus (i forgot how)
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04:30<kingsley>Is there a vnc with sound?
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04:49<payman>hi i have a ntfs volume in my ubuntu i can open the partishen for windows in ubuntu8.10 but i cant mount and open another volume in ubuntu would you help me?
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04:50<Nin>hi everybody
04:51<gsimmons>payman: You're in the wrong channel for support of your distribution. You would want #ubuntu on
04:52<payman>gsimmons: thx but nobudy help me in ther
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04:54<hypn0tek>Hello, I've received the folowing error while tryin to Make the madwifi apckage :
04:54<hypn0tek>/bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
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04:55<hypn0tek>/bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type ( No such file or directory, I think)
04:55<hypn0tek> *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Arrêt.
04:55<hypn0tek>what does this mean ?!
04:55<chris_>4.0r6 released / not found
04:56<hypn0tek>I've upgraded to lenny
04:56<chris_>please speak in German!!
04:56<hypn0tek>German ?!
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04:56<hypn0tek>oh sorry I can't
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04:57<gsimmons>hypn0tek: You are missing header files for your installed kernel. You may wish to use module-assistant (m-a) instead.
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04:58<gsimmons>!tell hypn0tek -about madwifi-install
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05:01<hypn0tek>I've lunched a I've lunched an : apt-get install build-essential
05:01<hypn0tek>and a lot of packages havn't resolved their dependencies and left as non yet configured
05:03<hypn0tek>gsimmons, I'll try to follow the bot's suggesion about madwifi
05:04<hypn0tek>my problem is that my debian_version is still 4.0 after an upgrade to Lenny
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05:07<tzafrir_laptop>hypn0tek, did you get a message about running dpkg --configure something?
05:08<hypn0tek>now after following the madwifi install suggestions, I've got the same erorrs
05:09<hypn0tek>madwif-tools n module-assistant has been updated, but while unpacking, he starts to configure python-central : not installed
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05:10<hypn0tek>yess tzafrir_laptop :dpkg (--configure)
05:11<hypn0tek>he is sayin dependencies prob prevent python-newt from bein configured
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05:13<hypn0tek>oh god !! and he's still talkin about packages such as gmailfs, that yesterday he said to me while instaling the new kernel that they will be removed !!
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05:16<hypn0tek>good things r goin better
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05:20<hypn0tek>can any one help me plz
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05:22<hypn0tek> python-central, python-newt, python-foomatic, python-cairo, python-numeric, python-gtk2, python-gnome2, python-glade2, python-gtkhtml2, foomatic-gui, python-gtksourceview2, gedit, python-gmenu, gnome-menus, libapache2-mod-python, python-apt, python-fuse, python-vte, python-wxgtk2.6, python-wxversion,gmailfs
05:22<hypn0tek>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
05:23<hypn0tek>tzafrir_laptop, every package of them is givin me the dpkg --configure message that u've talked about above
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05:27<tzafrir_laptop>hypn0tek, try: dpkg --configure -a
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05:27<tzafrir_laptop>Report any errors you get
05:27<tzafrir_laptop>Anyway, /me needs to go now
05:28<hypn0tek>thnk you
05:29<hypn0tek>the same errors tzafrir_laptop
05:30<Neuron>no idea... but I guess you're running that as root, right?
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05:36<hypn0tek>yess as root
05:36<adrin>hello, i have a problem that after kernel upgrade from 2.6.18-4-k7 to 2.6.18-6-k7 the system stopped booting (i dont have physical access to the server so i dont know message output but the kernel starts to boot), i have made a simple cp copy of older (-4-k7) kernel and added it to lilo and it boots... what can be the reason? is it possilbe that kernel cant mount root partition? (/dev/mapper/volume0-rac name changed?)? may multiple kernels (lin
05:36<adrin>ux-image) be installed simultanously? (aptitude search shows multiple kernels (linux image) with i (i A) flags is it ok?)
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05:41<petern>multiple kernels is fine
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05:46<Neuron>adrin did you compile the kernel in the traditional way ?
05:46<Neuron>the debian way...
05:46<adrin>i just installed the precompiled kernel from repo
05:47<Neuron>ok, because I usually do it with the standard way
05:47<Neuron>then I cannot help you
05:47<Neuron>i have no idea how to do it with debian :P
05:47<adrin>hmm well is it possible that some names under /dev/ have been changed in newer kernel?
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05:47<Neuron>I don't thing so
05:48<Neuron>some new if you added new devices...
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05:48<Neuron>but it should not avoid starting the system
05:48<adrin>yes indeed
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06:13<Guest1807>does anyone know what [ 242.298130] grsec: signal 4 sent to /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx[vmware-vmx:4190] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /sbin/init[init:1] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0
06:13<Guest1807>[ 242.327632] grsec: signal 11 sent to /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx[vmware-vmx:4190] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /sbin/init[init:1] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0
06:13<Guest1807>[ 242.357338] grsec: denied use of iopl() by /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx[vmware-vmx:4190] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /sbin/init[init:1] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0
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06:17<alien123>Hi ...has any tried to use Webex on Debian
06:17<cahoot>some cereal product?
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06:18<yhlfh>what is webex?
06:19<alien123>cahoot .......Webex is used for webconferencing ...Cisco service supposed to run with java on Linux and activex or java on windows
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06:21<cahoot>alien123: seems it's been done ( according to google=
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06:23<alien123>ok...I was able to get webex running after installing Sun java and standard c++ libraries...But was facing some issues during the Web conference(It simply does not start or allow to share screens).So was just checking if any one had a similar experience
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06:25<cahoot>alien123: like this?
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06:28<alien123>that is the same bug...Thanks....cahoot
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06:37<xan>Hi, can someone help me reporting (or showing it's not) a bug?
06:39<dondelelcaro>xan: run reportbug
06:39<xan>yes, but reportbug paquet, what paquet. Let me explain the situation
06:40<xan>I remove NFS, but I have already in /etc/init.d the file
06:40<xan> depends of initscripts
06:41<xan>In theory, I want that automatically if NFS is not installed, initscripts does not have (and many others).
06:41<dondelelcaro>xan: it's part of initscripts. There's no reason to even attempt to remove it
06:41<dondelelcaro>xan: if you aren't mounting an nfs filesystem from fstab, that init script does nothing
06:42<xan>dondelelcaro: yes, but why have it if it do nothing?
06:42<xan>how can I remove it?
06:42<dondelelcaro>xan: why do you want to remove it?
06:42<dondelelcaro>xan: if you ever add an nfs filesystem at boot, you want it back.
06:43<dondelelcaro>xan: if you don't have one, it takes almost no extra time, so worrying about it is kind of silly
06:43<xan>dondelelcaro: I'm sure I will not have NFS. I want to delete unnecessary parts of my system.
06:44<dondelelcaro>xan: there are more things to concern yourself with than two 2K init scripts
06:45<dondelelcaro>those init scripts are all of 2K
06:46<xan>It does not use memory?
06:46<dondelelcaro>what's the actual problem you're trying to solve, here?
06:47<dondelelcaro>that's not an actual problem
06:47<xan>well, ok
06:47<xan>I left this script, so
06:48<xan>dondelelcaro: thanks for answer
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07:30<Guest1807>is there many reasons that a linux kernel would instantly restart after starting a virtual machine?
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07:32<cahoot>checked the logs for clues?
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07:37<ikuta>hi all~
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07:55<narok>I'm narok
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08:20<tuxcrafter>does somebody know debian software to alter dvds without compression, so remove adds, intros, subs, audio tracks, etcetra
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08:21<tuxcrafter>I use totem-xine to play dvds but i ofter have that totem crashes when pressing on a menu item
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08:22<tuxcrafter>it is extreemly anoying not being able to play a dvd on my debian sytem while my 30 dolar dvd player does a better job ..
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08:26<cahoot>no better luck with mplayer?
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08:40<tuxcrafter>cahoot: mplayer does not do dvd menus
08:40<tuxcrafter>at least mine does not
08:40<tuxcrafter>only gxine xine and totem-xine
08:40<tuxcrafter>and experimental support in gstreamer
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08:41<craigevil>smplayer, kaffeine :)
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08:46<tuxcrafter>craigevil: i only try to use gtk based apps
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08:55<tuxcrafter>craigevil: i tried smplayer
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08:55<tuxcrafter>but it does not play menus
08:56<nosklo>menu sucks
08:56<tuxcrafter>it is just mplayer with gui
08:56<nosklo>play directly what you want
08:56<nosklo>menu makes you watch ads without wanting
08:56<tuxcrafter>menu rules when you have a dvd that had 4 epsiodes
08:56<tuxcrafter>and features
08:56<nosklo>mplayer dvd://5
08:56<nosklo>mplayer dvd://7
08:56<tuxcrafter>nosklo: ow please dont talk like that
08:57<tuxcrafter>i have that discussion before
08:57<nosklo>tuxcrafter, that's what I use
08:57<tuxcrafter>dvd should play the exact way as on a dvd player
08:57<tuxcrafter>with menus
08:57<nosklo>tuxcrafter, not with mplayer, no
08:57<tuxcrafter>if you dont like menus then disable it
08:57<nosklo>mplayer plays everything as a non-interactive video
08:57<tuxcrafter>but good menu support is nessecairy for full dvd support
08:58<nosklo>I disagree, I can watch any dvd without interacting with the menu
08:58<tuxcrafter>nosklo: nothing wrong with mplayer behaving like that
08:58<tuxcrafter>i use mplayer for a lot of tasks
08:58<tuxcrafter>but it does not play dvd menus
08:58<nosklo>tuxcrafter, if you want the menu use another player
08:58<tuxcrafter>and i need menu support
08:58<nosklo>tuxcrafter, xine comes to mind
08:58<tuxcrafter>please read back nosklo
08:59<nosklo>tuxcrafter, that's what i mean
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08:59<nosklo>tuxcrafter, you are asking for a software to remove menus
08:59<nosklo>tuxcrafter, mplayer is it
08:59<tuxcrafter>no not remove menus
08:59<nosklo>tuxcrafter, as cahoot said
08:59<nosklo><tuxcrafter> does somebody know debian software to alter dvds without compression, so remove adds, intros, subs, audio tracks, etcetra
08:59<tuxcrafter>dvd reautoring software
08:59<nosklo>tuxcrafter, mplayer is dvd reautoring software
08:59<tuxcrafter>to remove subs, adds, audio tracks
09:00<nosklo>you can use dvdauthor
09:00<tuxcrafter>dvdauthor is extreem hard to use for re autoring
09:00<tuxcrafter>it is usabel for new autoring of dvds
09:00<tuxcrafter>so creating dvds
09:00<nosklo>hard if you didn't learn how to use it
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09:00<nosklo>just extract the tracks using mplayer
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09:01<nosklo>or maybe you want to do something really fancy
09:01<tuxcrafter>nosklo: can you show me an howto to find a adds track and sub track and to remove it from an orignal dvds and create a new dvds without compression
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09:02<nosklo>tuxcrafter, that would involve a lot of mencoder, transcode, maybe ffmpeg
09:03<tuxcrafter>i am sorry this is still a very very sensitive part for me i have been using debian for 4 years now as primary os as expert user, i have not yet find a good solution for my dvd reautoring and cce compression techs i used on that other operating system, not having a replacement on linux is like having a very painfull open wound for me :-(
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09:04<tuxcrafter>everytime somebody touches the wound , like when my dvdmenu software is crashing i get very frustrated
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09:05<tuxcrafter>with the software i used on the other operating sytem i could reautor a compleet dvd in 4 minutes of clicking and 1 hour of computer work, it really frustrates me i can not do that with floss software :-D
09:05<tuxcrafter>sorry sensitive subject for me
09:05<nosklo>near-perfect bug-free dvd authoring software doesn't exist. Write one, or purchase the proprietary one.
09:05<tuxcrafter>i will shut up this is going nowhere
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09:06<nosklo>Yet I have succeded with mencoder/ffmpeg/dvdauthor
09:06<nosklo>but it is a lot of more work. Not "hard", but takes time.
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09:09<tuxcrafter>nosklo: in the far past i used dvdremake pro and cinema craft encoder and dvd rebuilder to re autor dvds
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09:09<tuxcrafter>never find replacemtns
09:09<tuxcrafter>i have paid for that propriatary software
09:09<tuxcrafter>but i switched to floss only tools 4 years back
09:10<tuxcrafter>so prorieatary is just no option anymore
09:11<tuxcrafter>it was one of my best tools in the old days
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09:11<craigevil>acidrip, dvdauthorwizard work pretty well
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09:18<tuxcrafter>i pay 139 euro for the developer that creats a gtk+ app with the same featueres as dvdremakepro
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09:19<tuxcrafter>and the code must be glpv3
09:20<ha>any one here
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09:21<abrotman>ha: lots of people
09:22<ha>must say english ?
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09:23<abrotman>english is preferred .. if you speak another language more fluently, there are many language specific channels
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09:25<ha>i see think you
09:25<ha>thank you
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09:32<Tuplad>is there a program to record sound and that has noise reduction or anything ehancing ?
09:33<abrotman>audacity perhaps
09:33<cahoot>Tuplad: ecasound
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09:42<alien123>Iam not able to switch user in Gnome enviornment and I get the message that the issue is
09:42<alien123>You might be using a different display manager, such as KDM (KDE Display Manager), CDE login (dtlogin), or xdm. If you wish to use this feature, then your system will need to be configured to use GDM instead.
09:42<temax>Hi there guys
09:43<temax>Happy holidays : )
09:43<alien123>debian:~# ps -ef| grep dm
09:43<alien123>root 2844 1 0 13:58 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/kdm -config /var/run/kdm/kdmrc
09:43<alien123>aruba 6383 1 0 20:09 ? 00:00:00 gdmflexiserver --startnew Standard
09:43<alien123>aruba 6387 1 0 20:09 ? 00:00:00 gdmflexiserver --startnew Standard
09:43<alien123>root 6415 6405 0 20:11 pts/1 00:00:00 grep dm
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09:43<abrotman>hey look .. kdm
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09:43<cahoot>a kde refugee
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09:45<temax>Hey people, does anyone know if Debian 3.1 and 4.0 comes with a default gcc package? I have not been able to see it in the release notes
09:45<abrotman>temax: a default in what sense? i think they have multiple available
09:45<abrotman>alien123: aptitude install gdm
09:46<Lenhix>I don't think so. I always install build-essential
09:46<temax>Umm in the sense that it is already installed in the system
09:46<temax>Ohh I see Lenhix
09:46<abrotman>temax: not by default .. aptitude install build-essential
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09:47<temax>I see, so I would have to do the build-essential to get the gcc installed
09:47<temax>thanks for that :)
09:47<abrotman>or just install gcc .. but usually you want the build-essential for the additional bits
09:47<temax>yeah, I was thinking that though
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09:48<Rec0>could some1 help me with grub
09:48<temax>and os there a way to know beforehand which gcc is gonna be installed on my Debian when doing that?
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09:49<tuxcrafter>what is the best wayt to check what package to install to get perl Text::Table support, i used perl -MText::Table -e 'print $Text::Table::VERSION."\n"';
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09:50<tuxcrafter>but the it sad Can't locate Text/
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09:50<abrotman>tuxcrafter: apt-file is one way to find the perl module
09:51<abrotman>tuxcrafter: or use dh-make-perl
09:51<temax>thanks abrotman
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09:54<tuxcrafter>abrotman: i did apt-file update
09:54<tuxcrafter>apt-file search --ignore-case Text::Table
09:54<tuxcrafter>but it did not find anything
09:54<abrotman>apt-file search Text/
09:55<abrotman>and i don't have it here either .. which is why i mentioned dh-make-perl
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09:56<tuxcrafter>this is not a very nice experience
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09:59<tuxcrafter>Cannot open ./Makefile.PL: No such file or directory
09:59<Rec0>could somebody help me with grub???
09:59<tuxcrafter>Rec0: what do you like to know
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09:59<Rec0>i can startup my windows from the bios if i select the hdd manually but not from grub
10:00<Rec0>wait a second
10:01<Rec0>these are my hdd's and what they are good for
10:02<Rec0>aso you can see my windows is at hd2,0
10:02<Rec0>but it doesn't load
10:02<Rec0>although chanloader is set to +1
10:02<tuxcrafter>abrotman: perl -MCPAN -e 'shell();'
10:02<tuxcrafter>abrotman: i Text::Table
10:02<tuxcrafter>i really dont like to do that
10:03<Rec0>so i have to map hd2 to hd0 right??
10:03<Rec0>and the other way around
10:03<abrotman>tuxcrafter: uhm .. dh-make-perl
10:03<abrotman>tuxcrafter: read the docs .. dh-make-perl can make debian packages from cpan modules
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10:04<Rec0>no idea??? anybody??
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10:04<tuxcrafter>Rec0: i am reading back to see what you need
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10:05<Rec0>(its already mapped from 2 to 0 then from 0 to 2 but then comes ntldr missing...
10:05<tuxcrafter>Rec0: so grub is installed fine and loads a debian linux distribution
10:05<Rec0>yap it does
10:06<tuxcrafter>Rec0: make a pastebin of your grub menu.lst please
10:07<temax>abrotman, assuming that each Debian release comes with many software packages, one of those is always gcc. Is there a way to know which version of gcc is included in those packages to be installed, for Debian 3.1 and 4.0?
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10:07<Rec0>should i make any highliting??
10:07<abrotman>temax: apt-cache show gcc .. should have depends
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10:08<temax>I mean a way without having to install Debian beforehand
10:08<Rec0>*syntax highlighting?
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10:08<tuxcrafter>Rec0: nope just the plain text
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10:10<temax>abrotman I was just hoping not to have to go to the install process just to know the version of gcc that is in there..
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10:10<temax>I will take a look stew, thanks
10:11<stew>temax: that would no longer tell you about debian 3.1 since 3.1 is no longer supported
10:11<tuxcrafter>Rec0: did you manually altered that menu.lst
10:11<Rec0>i did but now its just like before
10:11<Rec0>i have still the original
10:11<temax>mmh, I see..
10:12<temax>thanks though
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10:12<Tuplad>how do I reload my sound system?
10:12<cahoot>alsa force-reload
10:12<paddy>how are you?
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10:13<And1>Hey folks, how do I 'find . -name \*.jpg' and delete those files?
10:13<stew>And1: find . -name \*.jpg -delete
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10:14<Rec0>the only difference is that it does not have the savedefault option
10:14<tuxcrafter>Rec0: try this
10:14<tuxcrafter>and remove all the other windows entries
10:14<And1>stew: Uh, great. That was easy. =) Neither 'find . -name \*.jpg | xargs rm' nor 'for i in `find ...` ; do rm $i ; done' worked. =/ Thanks! :)
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10:16<stew>And1: those two would fail if there was whitespace, "find . -name \*.jpg -print0 | xargs -0 rm" or "find ... | while read file ; do rm $file ; done" would work for files with spaces (but the latter would fail if you were sick enough to have \n's in your filenames)
10:16<Rec0>ok if any problems will occure ill be back otherwise thanks a lot ^
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10:17<And1>stew: I see... thanks very much, good to know that. :)
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10:22<Tuplad>hey, my sound is completely blown out after I tried to record something through my microphone. looks like alsa isn't loaded too, what can I do ?
10:22<cahoot>alsa force-reload didn't do it? Tuplad
10:23<Tuplad>cahoot: nope
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10:23<Tuplad>cahoot: it says no modules are loaded
10:23<Tuplad>cahoot: this is just out of nowhere, didnt have sound problems for months :O
10:23<Tuplad>cahoot: asoundconf list doesn't list any cards either
10:23<ihernandez>i have an old server with debian sarge. i still need to keep it running, but want to get some packages. the old apt source is not working
10:23<ihernandez>where does old stable goes when it's cycle is gone?
10:24<cahoot>Tuplad: try modprobe -snd-hda-intel, then alsa force-reload
10:24<cahoot>scratch the preceding -
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10:24<ihernandez>thanks a lot koollman
10:25<Tuplad>cahoot: great, it's loaded :
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10:26<Rec0>nothing happens it says Starting..... and thats all
10:26<Tuplad>cahoot: but asoundconf list doesn't list any devices
10:26<cahoot>Tuplad: try alsa-utils restart
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10:26<Tuplad>cahoot: dont have it
10:27<cahoot>Tuplad: try /invoke-rc.d/alsa-utils restart
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10:27<Tuplad>cahoot: I think there's an usb device that's blocking my sound, one moment...
10:27<Rec0>tuxcrafter any other idea?
10:27<Tuplad>cahoot: couldn't executed
10:28<cahoot>my bad - invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart
10:28<temax>Hey stew, it helped me that, although if does not tell you for which version of Debian explicitely, it seems that is for the current one, so 4.0 thank you!
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10:29<tuxcrafter>pastebin of sudo fdisk -l cat /boot/grub/ and cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
10:30<tuxcrafter>Rec0: ^
10:30<cahoot>Tuplad: that's in spite of alsa force-reload didn't error?
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10:31<Tuplad>cahoot: yes
10:31<cahoot>Tuplad: checked logs for any oops?
10:31<tuxcrafter>abrotman: a good howto for dh-make-perl and to get support for Text::Table would be very welcome i now have to fix explain this to way to much users of the perl script
10:31<Tuplad>cahoot: dont know how to check logs
10:31<Tuplad>cahoot: maybe a reboot so it initializes the device again ?
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10:35<Rec0>tuxcrafter: ^
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10:36<Tuplad>cahoot: hmm... it doesn't even list the device as connected :O
10:36<Tuplad>cahoot: lsusb I mean
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10:37<Tuplad>cahoot: did
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10:38<Rec0>tuxcrafter ??
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10:57<melodie>I just discovered the install with the floppy, very nice method !
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10:58<Rec0>damn could somebody hellp me with grub
10:58<CoolBSD>yap ! install with floppy is good
10:58<melodie>hi CoolBSD
10:59<melodie>I had to use this to be able to get lshw info on the hardware, because I could not find out how to change the boot order in the bios : not used to theses oldish award from 1999 ! :D
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11:00<melodie>now the company I sent a mail to gave me the method, and at least I could tell them precisely what motherboard cpu and chipset are in there, to get the information
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11:00<melodie>now I' reinstalling with the testing version
11:00<abrotman>couldn't you have just opened the case and looked ?
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11:01<tuxcrafter>Rec0: reading now
11:01<Rec0>ok thank you
11:01<melodie>abrotman, it's never precise enough, with a low sight and lack of knowledge of mine : I need lshw particularly
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11:02<tuxcrafter>Rec0: what is on sda
11:02<tuxcrafter>can you power off the hdd
11:02<tuxcrafter>also sdd
11:02<CoolBSD>sorry ! I missunderstand . You cant change the boot order in bios, isn't it ?
11:02<melodie>then I regretted that the floppy images are not available as Lenny, so I sent a requets on debian-qa mailing list about that
11:03<Rec0>wait a sevond
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11:03<melodie>well the company sent a mail back to me, to tell me what the option was precisely, to change the boot order : in fact I had tried "enter" key, and it was not that way. Now I can boot from cdrom
11:03<berbur>7Join #sidux
11:04<Rec0>sda is my data disk
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11:04<Rec0>sdd is now disconected
11:04<tuxcrafter>remove sda to make debugging easyer
11:04<Rec0>ok wait a second
11:04<Rec0>will reboot
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11:05<CoolBSD>melodie : so, you found the way to boot from floopy
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11:12<Rec0>ok removed it and i tried to get into windows and it returned that the disc does not exist
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11:14<bladimir>hola que tal?
11:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:14<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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11:18<melodie>CoolBSD, I could boot from floppy, and since about an hour ago I can boot from cdrom as well, and a bunch of diverses other options I may explore
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11:20<melodie>It's nice because I always wanted to experiment floppy install at least once, and now I've got 5 floppy for that, made with the images using dd
11:20<tuxcrafter>Rec0: back
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11:21<tuxcrafter>Rec0: ok you have a bid messed up system with your mbr grub and windows partitions
11:21<Rec0>hmm so what do you recommend
11:21<melodie>what is incredible, just with xorg-xserver-video-trident, it's dependencies, plus xorg-fonts, and openbox, on a 84 mo ram and 450 mhz unbelievable how smooth !
11:21<melodie>I used iceweasel, it was not even difficult or slightly slow
11:22<CoolBSD>really !
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11:22<tuxcrafter>It is possible to fix this without reinsatlling stuff but it requires more advanced knowlage about grub disks and windows
11:22<tuxcrafter>Rec0: ^
11:22<melodie>but now I'll have the possibility to try Lxde desktop environment, as with Lenny it's supposed to be ok (because of the glibc6 version)
11:22<melodie>CoolBSD, do you know Lxde ?
11:23<tuxcrafter>Rec0: i would recommand you to remove all disk except the windows and linux one like you now have
11:23<Rec0>did that so?
11:23<CoolBSD>I use it in my old ibook g3
11:23<tuxcrafter>then reinstall windows on the one disk and then install linux on the other thinks sould work then out of the box, but i can understead this is not very pleasand to do,
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11:24<tuxcrafter>Rec0: you can also use fixmbr form windows cd
11:24<Rec0>hmm ok thanks
11:24<tuxcrafter>to fix the windows mbr on the right disk
11:24<Rec0>the mbr from windows should be ok
11:24<Rec0>cuz i can directly boot
11:24<Rec0>but not through grub
11:24<CoolBSD>it's more efficient for old machine
11:25<tuxcrafter>Rec0: then you can try reinstall grup on the right disk
11:25<Rec0>which would be???
11:25<tuxcrafter>Rec0: it sould see the windows partition and setds it up
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11:26<Rec0>so i should install grub to the windows hdd??
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11:26<tuxcrafter>Rec0: it is best to leave the windows disk as second disk
11:26<tuxcrafter>and linux as first disk
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11:26<tuxcrafter>with grup on the first disk
11:26<Rec0>hmm ill shut down and try to recable evrything
11:26<tuxcrafter>Rec0: it can indeed be a bit tricky
11:26<Rec0>so what would you say
11:26<Rec0>if ill do it like this
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11:27<tuxcrafter>Rec0: have a cdrom with windows and usb or disk with live linux in stock :-p
11:27<Rec0>1ST ubuntu (120 GB) 2ND Windows 40 GB 3RD 160GB Data
11:27<tuxcrafter>then you can fix everyting if something goes wrong
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11:27<tuxcrafter>leave that datadisk out for now
11:27<Rec0>i have all here :D
11:27<tuxcrafter>since it has boot flags
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11:27<tuxcrafter>because the bios can do nasty tricks
11:28<tuxcrafter>try to make sure the bios boots the first disks
11:28<Rec0>ehmm but i need to know if my files are still on it
11:28<Rec0>but ill disconnect 4 setup
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11:28<tuxcrafter>add your datadisk back later
11:28<Rec0>then goodbye :D
11:28<tuxcrafter>then you are also sure nothings goes wrong with tit
11:28<tuxcrafter>Rec0: good luck
11:28<Rec0>thanks a lot ^
11:28<tuxcrafter>Rec0: you can also google for more info
11:29<Rec0>of course and i did but... :D
11:29<tuxcrafter>hard to find the wanted info L:-p
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11:29<Rec0>thanks a lot for your help... ill be back to tell you if it worked
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11:35<jthomas>I've been looking a bit into the Debian 'live-helper' and 'live-magic' apps; live-magic doesn't really allow me to customize apps but it does allow me to include an installer. If I build the package with live-helper only, what would I want to include to allow the resulting ISO to have an installer?
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11:37<panthera>jthomas: pass --debian-installer TYPE to lh_config.
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11:37<jthomas>great thanks panthera
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11:38<panthera>jthomas: and TYPE can be any of (enabled|cdrom|netinst|netboot|businesscard|live|disabled)
11:38<jthomas>panthera i would assume i want enabled to just let the CDROM install as it is?
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11:39<jthomas>will it still also be a live cd?
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11:42<panthera>jthomas: if you select any of the types different than live, then what you get is a
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11:42<panthera>jthomas: combined debian-live cd and a debian-installer cd on one medium;
11:42<panthera>jthomas: live stuff bootable through live* at bootprompt, and the install stuff the same as normal d-i cds.
11:43<panthera>jthomas: if you choose live as type for --debian-installer, then live-installer is used and
11:43<panthera>jthomas: what you end up with is a d-i that installs the live-system to hd, not a 'regular' debian system.
11:43<panthera>if you need more information, check the manual.
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11:45<jthomas>man live-helper is pretty barren of info. so "--debian-installer live" would install the liveCD to the computer but still use squashfs or something?
11:46<jthomas>i guess i want it to be a livecd that would install just as you see it, like mepis or ubuntu livecd would do
11:46<panthera>with manual i'm refering to, not the manpage.
11:47<jthomas>ok i'll dig more there, thanks again
11:47<panthera>and yes, as i said above, live makes d-i behave different so that it installs the live system to hd, and not a regular debian system.
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12:32<hugo>Hola tengo problemas para reproducir flash en totem. Tengo imagen pero no sonido. Como lo arreglo?
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12:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:14<krlmk>Hi. Keep up the good work, ekhm... bye!
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13:31<melodie>I've finished installing Debian testing at this old K6, xorg gives max 800x600, who knows the way to override the hotpluggin ?
13:32<melodie>no one ?
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13:34<Supaplex>the hotpluggin?
13:34<Supaplex>!tell melodie -about setup x
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13:35<Supaplex>hotplugging of what?
13:35<melodie>Supaplex, of Xorg
13:35<Supaplex>the resolution? I don't know what you mean. :P
13:35<melodie>I would like to know what tool is used in Debian to re write xorg.conf with AutoAddDevice "false"
13:35<Lenhix>perhaps dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
13:36<melodie>it's out of date
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13:36<melodie>in only reconfigures mouse and keyboard nowadays
13:36<Supaplex>it's too stable yes yes. then use lenny
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13:36<craigevil>an editor :)
13:36<Supaplex>oh wait, you are
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13:36<adlpaf-mobile>melodie: which video card does your computer have???
13:36<melodie><melodie> I've finished installing Debian testing at this old K6
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13:37<melodie>see, at another distro I use, there is hwd tool
13:37<melodie>and hwd -x does the job
13:38<Supaplex>why does !setup x not work?
13:38<melodie>so I'm looking for something as advanced, in actual Debian tools
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13:38<melodie>I did not try : do you think it will get me rid of hotplugging ?
13:38<Supaplex>something advanced for older hardware.
13:38<adlpaf-mobile>melodie: and do you know wich driver is using Xorg???
13:38<melodie>adlpaf-mobile, yes I installed it
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13:39<Supaplex>try !setup x first.
13:39<fxiny>xrandor tells you about your modelines avaiable . pick your modeline . feed the output to gtf . edit your xorg.conf . ask google
13:39<craigevil>hotplug is handled by udev
13:39<melodie>xrandr talks wrong
13:39<melodie>craigevil, by evdev throught hal
13:39<fxiny>you said that
13:40<enouf>fxiny: !!
13:40<melodie>well I just erased a Etch install to get Lxde in Lenny, but with Etch I had a good xorg.conf file
13:40<melodie>I might try some live CD
13:40<melodie>some debian-live maybe ?
13:41<adlpaf-mobile>melodie: try to use openchrome driver, I had the same problem and I solved with this driver
13:41<melodie>no this driver
13:42<melodie>I had it on another machine, for Chrome 9 integrated GC
13:42<melodie>I bought a nvidia. :D
13:42<melodie>Solver, no magic tool available ?
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13:43<melodie>is dpkg a bot ?
13:43<Supaplex>dpkg: bot
13:43<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
13:43<Supaplex>no, he just types really fast.
13:44<fxiny>melodie: tools ? i told you : xrandr+gtf+vim
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13:44<Supaplex>vim ftw!
13:44<fxiny>vim vim vim
13:44<craigevil>tools who needs stinking tools, vim to the rescue
13:44<Supaplex> for the EFAIL
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13:44<melodie>fxiny if I show one hell of a xorg.conf I got recently with a recent install of another distro, you will faint
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13:45<melodie>just invoking "hwd -x" as root. :)
13:45<melodie>but on this one machine I want Debian.
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13:45<Supaplex>port it =)
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13:45<komani>how could I use the download action to get not only the package downloaded but also its dependencies?
13:45<melodie>I'm not a devolopper : some developpers here ?
13:45<Supaplex>komani: it's called aptitude. aptitude install <something>
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13:46<Supaplex>melodie: where's the source to this hwd?
13:46<komani>Supaplex, yes, but I want to: aptitude download <package> and get the dependencies also
13:46<melodie>I look for the sources
13:46<komani>Supaplex, without having to install
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13:47<Supaplex>komani: what's the -d switch do?
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13:48<komani>Supaplex, download only, but not with dependencies included
13:48<melodie>it should be somewhere in there
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13:49<Supaplex>komani: not even aptitude -d install foo?
13:49<hypn0tek>I've a problem with flash videos I can't read them in my browser
13:49<hypn0tek>even with the flush plugin 10 installed !!
13:49<melodie>Supaplex, there are two source packages, one for i686 and one for x86_64
13:49<Supaplex>komani: I think I've done this with apt-get before, so I don't see why aptitude cannot. *shrug*
13:50<melodie>Download source: hwd-5.4.1.bin.tar.gz
13:50<melodie>md5sums: 8c5d5d29b571581fd1de5619c999a39b
13:50<fxiny>melodie: me fainting ? not even if my hd dies : i have backups :P
13:50<melodie>fxiny, yes, I put one of theses incredible xorg.conf on a pastbin, then, you faint ! :D
13:50<craigevil>hypn0tek: make sure you dont have swf or some other plugin , look in about:config if your using iceweasel/iceape
13:51<hypn0tek>I've upgraded from Etch to Lenny to solve this problem that is persisting
13:51<komani>Supaplex, oh, I get it
13:52<hypn0tek>craigevil, a lot of plugins
13:52<melodie>hypn0tek, did you try the free swfdec along with swfdec-mozilla packages ?
13:52<komani>Supaplex, so with the -d switch it will also download the dependencies
13:52<melodie>well well,
13:53<hypn0tek>craigevil, melodie a lot of plugins in my Iceweasel !!!
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13:53<craigevil>hypn0tek: pastebin it
13:53<hypn0tek>craigevil, melodie : Windows Media PLayer Plugin 10 (Totem 2.22.2)
13:54<melodie>hypn0tek, why not get rid of this flashplugin ? there is a critical security alert on this version you have anyhow
13:54<Supaplex>melodie: it appears to be a mere shell script.
13:54<Supaplex>komani: cool huh? :)
13:54<melodie>Supaplex, great, can you port it to Debian then ?
13:54<hypn0tek>also mplayerplugin 3.55; Totem web browser Plugin 2.22.2 shokwave flach etc....
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13:54<craigevil>security alert for flash 10?
13:54<hypn0tek>I've a lot melodie
13:54<melodie>no 9
13:55<hypn0tek> melodie, I'm confused ! which one have I to remove n which one to keep !!
13:55<fxiny>melodie: this is a #gtf 1152 864 75 > . decode it ;)
13:55<melodie>but it stinks anyhow the 10 version got my sound rotten : mpd could not connect to sound output anymore
13:55<craigevil>hypn0tek: what is under Shockwave Flash if its using Flash it will have something like Shockwave Flash 10.0 r15
13:55<melodie>hypn0tek, remove the non free ones
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13:55<enouf>fxiny: !!
13:55<fxiny>vim your org.conf up
13:55<enouf>!leap second
13:55<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, leap second is A leap second will be added to atomic clocks worldwide at 23:59:60 (or near midnight) at Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) on December 31, 2008. This is the 24th leap second to be added since the first leap second was added in 1972. This is also the first leap second in three years.
13:56<craigevil>damn does that mean im an extra second older
13:56<Supaplex>melodie: I don't have any butcher me machines ready. :p it might work as is
13:56<fxiny>enouf: a leap second ? wt4x !
13:56<Supaplex>craigevil: 24 possibly.
13:56<melodie>Supaplex, beg your pardon ?
13:56<Supaplex>melodie: I could port it, but I make no promises on when etc
13:57<enouf>craigevil: ask einstein :-P
13:57<Supaplex>I'd need to review it, to see if it's redundant at all. if not, it still needs review to see how it plays with debian.
13:57<Ananth123>has anyone installed cmake 2.6.2 ?
13:57<hypn0tek>craigevil, no no "Flash Movie Player Version 0.4.12 compatible with shockwave Flash 4.0 ..." And the 2nd is " Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31"
13:57<enouf>craigevil: it would depend on how it affects the space/time continuum .. do you feel any more "warped" ? :-p
13:57<Supaplex>!tell Ananth123 -about popcon
13:58<craigevil>im warped enough
13:58<hypn0tek>craigevil, it's strange !! cause I've just installed a "install_flash_player_10_linux.deb " package
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13:58<Supaplex>warp? Who uses that? That's what Linux is for man! ;)
13:58<craigevil>what does the File name say?
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13:59<melodie>fxiny, $ pwd
14:00<melodie>fxiny, $ ls
14:00<melodie>twm xinit xorg.conf xorg.conf.radeon xorg.conf.vesa
14:00<craigevil>hypn0tek: I use flashplayer-mozilla so mine says File name: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/
14:00<fxiny>melodie: archwhat ? sounds no melodic at all :P
14:00<melodie>you can notice it make two files, one with the right driver one alternative with vesa, incase
14:01<melodie>fxiny, now the pastebin :
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14:01<hypn0tek>craigevil, I don't understand you
14:01<hypn0tek>melodie, why removin the non free ones ?!!
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14:02<fxiny>melodie: is old ! debian does is better and clean
14:02<melodie>hypn0tek, because they can contain malwares you are not aware of
14:02<melodie>fxiny, its not old, I did it 2 days ago
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14:03<hypn0tek>melodie, and 1st how can I remove them and 2nd how can I watch videos and TV :) ??
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14:03<newsense>hypn0tek, buy a tv :)
14:03<fxiny>melodie: where ? in some archcrap ? be like us debian users , be happy , install lenny
14:04<hypn0tek>melodie, and craigevil and I still didn't get an answer about why Have I installed a flash plugin 10 that I'm not seeing !!!
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14:04<hypn0tek>newsense, too aproriate not open :p
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14:04<newsense>hypn0tek, i just downloaded the .gz from adobes site, extracted it and placed in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ and it works
14:05<Supaplex>hypn0tek: ask adobe why they g00fed it up
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14:05<craigevil>hypn0tek: because you have other packages that are being used, rather than using the Adobe package install flshplugin-nonfree from backports or using aptitude, or use gnash
14:05<hypn0tek>newsense, emmm
14:05<fxiny>melodie: my crappy crt is not detected because is cheap and crap . i hadd a black screen , so i just run xrandr and gft as i told you , now it works like a charm
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14:05<newsense>hypn0tek, i couldnt get the dmm flash to work or sids
14:05<enouf>fxiny: haha
14:06<miguel>Hola a todos soy Miguel
14:06<fxiny>enouf: ;)
14:06<enouf>fxiny: what does read-edid/get-edid have to say?
14:06<hypn0tek>Holaa Miguel
14:06<melodie>fxiny, as many gc, as many screens, as many possible configurations
14:06<enouf>fxiny: though do NOT blow it up ;-)
14:06<newsense>hypn0tek, btw i had to create the plugins dir under ~/.mozilla too
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14:06<miguel>¿Alguno de uds. habla español?
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14:06<hypn0tek>newsense, I don't understand !!
14:06<melodie>fxiny, and also what sight you have is important : good or not so good
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14:07<miguel>Do I have to think anyone of you speak spanish?
14:07<fxiny>enouf: i'm studying shorewall-perl , not looking back to xorg anymore :)
14:07<newsense>hypn0tek, i made a plugins folder in ~/.mozilla than i put there and rebooted iceweasel
14:07<newsense>err restarted
14:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:07<enouf>fxiny: so i heard ;-)
14:07<melodie>in this hardware configuration I need a long xorg.conf with personalised choices that I can tweak without getting a headache reading all Xorg documentation !
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14:07<melodie>that's what such a huge config file is meant for
14:07<hypn0tek>newsense, I have downloaded a .deb package of Flash 10
14:07<enouf>miguel: see #debian-es please
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14:08<enouf>miguel: also try #debian-es on if you like
14:08<hypn0tek>newsense: I've installed it with a dpkg -i and he saids to me ....
14:08<melodie>hypn0tek, why not try the free readers I told you about ?
14:08<miguel>I'm new using Xubuntu
14:08<enouf>miguel: please find #xubuntu - this is #debian
14:08<miguel>And I want to mount my fat32 WinXP partition, but I can't.
14:08<newsense>hypn0tek, get the .gz if you insist on not using debian packages
14:08<melodie>miguel, why not go to #ubuntu ?
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14:09<enouf>!tell miguel -about based on debian
14:09<melodie>miguel, it's at freenode 6667
14:09<miguel>Oh, Debian is another Linux Operative System.
14:09<miguel>Sorry, I'm new on this.
14:09<melodie>miguel, linux gnu does not mean nonsense and anarchy ;)
14:10<miguel>Thank you, and sorry for the lost time.
14:10<melodie>miguel, I'll find a link for you:
14:10<hypn0tek>newsense, melodie : I've downloded it from adobe web site, so it's a free one I think, and I just need to know how to remove the old plugins in Iceweasel and replace em by the new one
14:10<melodie>miguel, what is your language ?
14:10<miguel>Thanks melodie.
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14:10<fxiny>enouf: who's based on debian ? they *think* they are based , should be : leeched-on-debian :P
14:10<newsense>hypn0tek, remove that package and try flash from dmm
14:11<miguel>I speak spanish, my english isn't too well, jaja.
14:11<hypn0tek>newsense, melodie : If I already had a .so in my box why should I download another gzipped file
14:11<melodie>fxiny, ubuntu is good to start the mass users under Linux
14:11<fxiny>melodie: so . did you run xrandr ?
14:11<newsense>hypn0tek, dont than, have fun
14:11<melodie>fxiny, yes
14:11<hypn0tek>what does it mean dmm ?
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14:11<newsense>!tell hypn0tek about dmm
14:11<enouf>fxiny: mutants :-P
14:11<melodie>miguel, ok yo habla espanol un poco
14:11<melodie>deja me ver
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14:12<enouf>melodie: you're so purdy, but please, only english in here - thanks ;-)
14:12<miguel>Be careful, my english isn't well, but I need to practice it.
14:12<craigevil>hypn0tek: do aptitude search flash and remove whatever is being used as the flash plugin, or synaptic if you use it
14:13<fxiny>melodie: now if you say ubu again to me , my mood drop to a basement level , and i can easy forget to ask you a paste of that xrandr :P
14:13<miguel>I only fell so confortable using my native language because I'll get confused at the time of xplein us my problems using xubuntu.
14:13<hypn0tek>craigevil, I dont know how to remove packages !
14:13<miguel>But melodie, your spanish isn't bad.
14:13<miguel>Let me told it to you.
14:14<melodie>miguel on the spanish chan there are only two persons
14:14<enouf>!marry miguel and melodie
14:14<dpkg>miguel, do you take melodie to be your lawfully wedded spouse? melodie, do you take miguel? Cool. Kiss or something.
14:14<newsense>hypn0tek, aptitude --help or aptitude remove packagename
14:14<fxiny>enouf: that's fine ! i like mutants
14:14<melodie>you might want to go to the english chan
14:14<miguel>Ok, there is no problem.
14:14<melodie>enouf, do you want me to stand several husbands ? no no :)
14:14<fxiny>enouf: the agent being still water , no radioactivity :P
14:15<enouf>[14:12:34] #debian-es 27 Documentación || Para pastear usa || Repositorios: || ESTO NO ES #ubuntu-es || RTFM:
14:15<melodie>so miguel you go to server port 6667 and connect to #ubuntu
14:15<melodie>and the trick is done
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14:15<miguel>Thanks Melodie.
14:16*enouf is the pimp
14:16<fxiny>take speedy gonzo with you ;P
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14:16<enouf>oh dear
14:16<melodie>miguel, I sayd "ola !" and nobody answered at sp, so... english chan ! :)
14:16<enouf>we made chealer signoff .. ugh
14:16<miguel>I only have a dude
14:17<miguel>How can I go to sever
14:17<melodie>hypn0tek, when we say Free software its about freedom, not about free beer. ;-)
14:17<melodie>miguel, what irc client do you use ?
14:18<melodie><fxiny> take speedy gonzo with you ;P
14:18<newsense>yeah i was in tears after that one
14:18<melodie>miguel, what software application did you run to come here ?
14:18<miguel>Well, I did a clic on Applications, then to internet and then to XChat; let me told to you that I have very low knowledgment about that.
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14:19<miguel>So I don't know the meaning of an irc client, jajaj.
14:19<melodie>wait a second, I'll send a link to a xchat screen shot to you to show you how to do this
14:20<melodie>freenode is the server, your xchat is the client
14:20<melodie>here the server is
14:20<newsense>were supporting irc fundamentals now
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14:21<melodie>newsense, helping newbees is a duty !
14:21<melodie>you never know what coming genius he will teach next about Free softawre
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14:25<melodie>miguel, I did 4 screenshots, from 1 to 4
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14:25<melodie>I'll reduce them with gimp now before uploading them
14:25<miguel>Ok, thanks
14:26<melodie>at the 3rd screen you will have to erase -sp to keep just #ubuntu
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14:26<melodie>at the 4th screeen you will just have to clic on "connect" button
14:26<melodie>wait a few seconds please
14:28<melodie>miguel if I leave it as 1400x1050 is it ok for your screen resolution ?
14:29<miguel>And one more time, thank you for helping me.
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14:29<melodie>no problem :)
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14:30<melodie>miguel, go there open xchat images from 1 to 4 and if more questions, do ask :
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14:32<miguel>Where do I have to open "xchat images"?
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14:36<Dracie>hey how do i control balance in alsa using a proper balancing interface - ie not one like gnome alsa mixer - doesn't lock in center or anything
14:37<fxiny>enouf: quick !
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14:38<melodie>miguel, in you browser : do you user firefox ? if yes, do a right click on the link and do choose "open in a new tab"
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14:39<melodie>miguel, ?
14:39<melodie>sorry I could not answer you at once
14:40<deavid>hello, I had a problem with a barcode scanner (using USB keyboard emulation). Anyone knows why doesn't work when Xserver is off? I tried in console but I can't use it (the scanner hangs up).
14:40<deavid>or, someone knows what will be the best channet to ask about that hardware ?
14:40<miguel>I'm here
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14:41<fxiny>melodie: do you have a sis chipset ?
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14:41<melodie>fxiny, no
14:42<miguel>Thanks Melodie
14:42<melodie>fxiny, a via chipset
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14:42<miguel>I'm watching images.
14:43<melodie>miguel, welcome, does it help ?
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14:43<enouf>deavid: no idea, but try ##linux also on maybe
14:43<enouf>deavid: and maybe #hardware
14:43<deavid>enouf: I'll try, thanks!
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14:45<miguel>Yeah, now I understand you
14:45<melodie>miguel, good !
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14:45<melodie>soon you'll be asking you questions at the right place. :)
14:46<miguel>But I only have a question, ¿why the system language was french?
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14:46<miguel>Yes, I really can't believe I met someone like you who help me with all this patient.
14:47<miguel>Do you have a msn mail or something?
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14:51<miguel>Melodie, are you here?
14:51<melodie>not far
14:52<bamboo>does anybody know where I can find a working example for libnet - capturing the data of packets?
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14:52<miguel>Melodie, why your screenshots were in french?
14:52<melodie>miguel, my system is in french because I'm a frenchy : do you see ? :D
14:53<miguel>So, you are french?
14:53<melodie>I won't move it to spanish just to please you, too much work. ;)
14:53<melodie>well we can say like that
14:54<melodie>rha-rha-rha ?
14:54<miguel>Esperaba ver la captura de tu pantalla en inglés.
14:54<bamboo>hallo ;d
14:54<melodie>miguel, ok are you able to configure xchat to go to any chan now ?
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14:55<miguel>Well, thanks Melodie for everything, have a nice day and a happy new year, and if you can, mi mail is
14:55<miguel>I understood it.
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14:57<melodie>miguel, I use jabber protocol, take a look at wikipedia with jabber as keyword
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14:57<melodie>my jabber client is gajim known before as gaim
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14:58<fxiny>bitlbee buzzing in a vserver here :P
14:59<miguel>Ok, I undertood
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15:01<miguel>Jabber is the answer to a free software - instant messenger, which grows each days in colaboration with Google instant messenger aplication, the Google Talk, and free software colaborators like you, I supose.
15:01<miguel>So, I think it could help us, my another mail is
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15:04<shze>after upgrade to xorg 7.4, my keyb work only partially: arrows, ins, del, home, end, pgup/dn are dead. how do i get them working again?
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15:09<Student>Greetings Every One
15:09<Student>what is the difference b/w etch and lenny?
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15:11<melodie><miguel> So, I think it could help us, my another mail is
15:11<newsense>Student, etch is current stable release lenny is upcming stable release currently frozen
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15:11<Student>upcoming? :)
15:12<newsense>its basically the latest stable release
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15:12<newsense>im running lenny
15:12<newsense>i keep testing in my sources so im always tracking the testing release
15:12<RIVE>Student, Etch is the stable versión, Lenny is the testing version.
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15:13<newsense>if you add lenny to your sources when it becomes stable you wont be tracking the testing release
15:13<Student>what is the difference a person going to observe installing both of them?
15:13<newsense>older packages in stable
15:13<newsense>testing might have some issues
15:14<newsense>Student, if its a server might want to run etch until lenny is free of any bugs
15:15<newsense>i personally run testing, used to run unstable"sid" in my younger years but wised up
15:15<Student>what is the differenc in Core Operating System, like Kernel, File System etc
15:15<newsense>same kernel i believe might be wrong
15:16<Student>what is making Lenny unstable and Etch stable if they have lot of common? :)
15:16<newsense>tesating has newer versions of packages that havent passed debians testing
15:17<newsense>packages only make it to stable after they are free of critical bugs or such, google it
15:17<dmoerner>etch has 2.6.18, lenny has 2.6.26. etch has gnome 2.14, lenny has gnome 2.22, etc.
15:17<Student>is there any visible speed difference b/w etch and lenny?
15:17<dmoerner>play around with to see more differences
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15:17<newsense>Student, theres also etch backports repo for never versions of some packages in etch
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15:22<chealer>Student: no
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15:23<Student>no chealer? :)
15:23<chealer>Student: stable is just a name. it doesn't mean that stable is perfectly stable nor that testing is "unstable"
15:23<chealer>stable is more stable than testing
15:23<dvs>Student: stable means that the packages don't change as often.
15:24<Student>stable points to the state of the OS to keep the system in Stable condition?
15:24<Student>no more reboots, hangs and stuff like that
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15:25<dvs>Student: no, it means the packages will change as little as possible.
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15:25<k6>Hi, could someone try a sample C code for me and tell me what it returns ?
15:25<dvs>the only changes the packages will get are bug fixes.
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15:26<melodie>ok I tried Xorg -configure to get a new xorg.conf file but although it has more information in it, still lack the "no auto add device false " option
15:26<melodie>and the choice in resolutions
15:26<newsense>k6: try it yourself, dont tell others to try your code
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15:27<k6>newsense, what if I do ... ?
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15:27<newsense>than your an asshole
15:27<newsense>and what
15:27<chealer>newsense: please watch your language
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15:28<newsense>yeah i know had to let that one out though
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15:31<k6>anyone could test that for me ? I need to be sure it works elsewhere than at home :
15:32<melodie>Supaplex, I just opened the sources of hwd, it's not just a mere shell script, it also has to be updated with a pci source information remote server after install
15:32<dmoerner>k6: i just gave you a link...
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15:32<k6>dmoerner, it does not execute it, it just compiles it
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15:33<dvs>k6: I wouldn't run it. It writes to an undefined memory spare.
15:33<dvs>k6: I wouldn't run it. It writes to an undefined memory space.
15:34<k6>dvs, you are right
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15:34<Gathond>and is has a rather dangerous assumtion that int is 4 bytes
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15:36<Student> i am trying to install openoffice on my system , but aparently i failed
15:36<craigevil>aptitude install
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15:57<tracy>is anyone here
15:58<tracy>join #downloadcentre
15:58<melodie>not anyone
15:58<melodie>what for ?
15:59<terbell>I' m here
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16:11<melodie>forget it, I was talking to lftp :))
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16:21<davi>If I have a laptop with AMD 64 CPU what Debian image do you advise me to install amd64 or i386?
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16:23<Supaplex>depends. do you need flash or any 32bit only stuff? might be eaiser to stick with i686
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16:25<davi>Thanks Supaplex, I will stick with i386
16:26<RichiH>how do i close a bug as invalid?
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16:28<melodie>do someone know what type architecture k6 refers to ? i686 ? i586 ? i486 ?
16:29<dmoerner>k6 is an older amd it is 586 i believe
16:29<melodie>thanks dmoerner
16:29<RichiH>Maulkin: ta
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16:31<RichiH>Maulkin: so long story short, my request is invalid? ;)
16:32<erKURITA>sounds like
16:32<Maulkin>RichiH: long story short, tag nnnn +wontfix
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16:34<RichiH>Maulkin: aye
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16:36<chealer>RichiH: just close them without version. you can justify the closure manually, I usually do that in the message subject, "Invalid".
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16:36<deniz>my wireless usb device works (im using it right now to connect to the internet) but after multiple reboots network-manager-gnome still does not show!
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16:37<deniz>i connected using system-->administration-->network
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16:41<RichiH>chealer: yah. i still don't like it, though
16:42<chealer>RichiH: yeah, well there's no standard way of providing your justification
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16:47<deniz>does anyone know why network-manager-gnome on the top right of my panel doesn't show?
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16:47<deniz>on my other lenny computer, it works and on ubuntu it's preinstalled
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16:48<RichiH>chealer: unfortunately, yes
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16:53<deniz>on a touchpad mouse (laptop), is it possible to disable tapping the touchpad as a click? (i'd like to click on things only by clicking the left button because I jate accidental taps)
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16:57<deniz>craigevil-eee, touchfreeze was to me?
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16:57<deniz>apt-cache search touchfreeze on lenny doesn't show anything
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16:58<craigevil-eee>its not in the debian repos, just realized i have it as a sidux package
16:59<Student>how can i install my printer?
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16:59<Villarroel>How can I know the ./configure string of any debian package?
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17:01<ifvoid>Villarroel: it's listed in debian/rules
17:01<Villarroel>ifvoid: debian/rules is on the source package right?
17:02<Villarroel>There is no other way?
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17:03<Villarroel>A wat to know how the binary package was compiled?
17:04<Student>what is the difference between LasterJet Series PCL 4/5 and LaserJet Series PCL 6 Cups?
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17:04<ifvoid>Villarroel: no
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17:04<ifvoid>Student: the former is a laserjet 4/5 and the other oen is a laserjet 6
17:05<Student>ifvoid how do i know what is my model? :)
17:05<Villarroel>When the debian/rules binary fails what should I do?
17:06<ifvoid>Student: look at the label on the machine
17:06<ifvoid>Student: or at the manual
17:06<ifvoid>Villarroel: depends
17:06<ifvoid>Villarroel: how does it fail?
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17:09<Villarroel>ifvoid: Fails unless I do a ./configure first. (I am upgrading a package and want to configure with the same parameters as the current)
17:10<ifvoid>fails how?
17:10<Student>ifvoid when installing it , it is asking me for a PPD file? what is this ?
17:10<ifvoid>Student: it's a file that describes the capabilities of the printer
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17:10<ifvoid>Student: get it at hp, or at
17:10<Student>ifvoid ok , thanx
17:11<Villarroel>ifvoid: Like this: "debian/rules:169: *** target file `clean' has both : and :: entries. Stop." Just one line.
17:11<ifvoid>that's a bug
17:12<ifvoid>it's probably using cdbs
17:12<Villarroel>ifvoid: cdbs?
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17:13<Villarroel>ifvoid: Ah, cdbs.
17:13<ifvoid>it's a ready-to-use build system for debian packages
17:13<CarmenRain>ho bisogno di un consiglio
17:13<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:13<ifvoid>or is it another language?
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17:14<Villarroel>ifvoid: cdbs oneliner? :-p
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17:29<Supaplex>greetings fine mortal, what business bids you here?
17:32<Villarroel>Ok, thanks, I have solved this.
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17:42<lee>eh is it normal for KB3 to burn am Iso immage tht is intended for a cd rom to a DVD rom?
17:42<lee>or does it really matter now adays?
17:43<lee>I also havn't had any errors when this occured
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17:45<blarson>lee: as long as your dvd-rw is big enough for the iso...
17:46<lee>hmm that is cool , has that always been the case? or is this something new or debian based?
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17:46<lee>well that sure makes it handy
17:47<Gathond>it has never mattered, DVD's use the same filesystems as data CD's
17:47<lee>jsut wanted to make sure it was running normaly, thanks
17:47<Gathond>its just capable of being larger
17:47<blarson>Why would the tools add an artificial restriction.
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17:48<lee>well Ill save money using one set of disks then :)
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17:48<lee>well save for when it comes to making audio
17:49<lee>oh the only program I don't seem to have is the checksum reader
17:49<lee>or verifier
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17:51<lee>well thanks, the more I use debian, the more I am liking it :) take care.
17:51<lee>and keep up the good work :)
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17:53<Student>how to remove the printer i installed?
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17:53<Student>when i clicked the Gnome Cups Manager
17:53<Student>the menu item
17:54<Student>remove has been disabled
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17:55<Student>any1 plzzz
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17:57<Student>for some unknown reason , no1 is coming up with solutions regarding PRinter
17:57<Student>i think may be it is a problem for some :)
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18:21<Kaeliana>Hi I have a Debian server I set up a while back on my home network. I can reach it externally via ssh, ftp and reach the webserver. However, I have a game server on it that uses the telnet protocol. I can connect to it from localhost, but trying to connect to it leaves it hangning, and eventually times out. Trying for port 23, it is instantly rejected.
18:22<dpkg>rumour has it, telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using <ssh> instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server)
18:22<Kaeliana>yes I know that, but for the particular use it has, encryption is not needed
18:22<Supaplex>Kaeliana: netstat -tlnp would suggest it's not listening.
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18:24<Kaeliana>yeah you won't reach anythign from this network I'm on ;)
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18:25<ifvoid>Kaeliana: it might not be listening by default, or it might be firewalled somewhere
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18:25<Supaplex>Kaeliana: if it's listening on the right port, make sure it's not firewalled anywhere. failing all that, make sure you can ping or talk to something else, as routing may be an issue.
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18:26<Kaeliana>line from netstat on the server: tcp 0 0* LISTEN 26063/LWmud
18:27<ifvoid>oe a MUD!!!!!
18:27<ifvoid>anyway, that line looks good
18:27<barnes>Kaeliana firewalled?
18:27<@Ganneff>of course telnet to port 23 does not work
18:27<ifvoid>but it's listening on port 5000, not on 2
18:27<mickiewicz>Good evening!
18:27<Kaeliana>yeah I know ifvoid
18:27<Supaplex>Kaeliana: were you expecting :23 ?
18:28<ifvoid>Kaeliana: well, you were talking about port 23...
18:28<Kaeliana>I was stating the output of 23 if I tried it, versus the timeout if I tried another port
18:28<Supaplex>\o/ for useless extra information ;)
18:28<Supaplex>well, apparently it's reachable if it's immideately rejected
18:28<Kaeliana>ack, just realized I wasn't very clear there
18:28<ifvoid>Kaeliana: try nmapping the port from outside to see if it's filtered
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18:29<Supaplex>Kaeliana: or use date | nc -vlnp 5555 and test to port 5555. I think we're zeroed in on the mud daemon anyway.
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18:34<Kaeliana>Supaplex: doing that on the port the mud is running on reports already in use (as it should). on 5555 it reads: listening on [any] 5555 ...
18:34<tracy>hey can anyone
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18:34<mickiewicz>If I got this message: "xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file" when I try to configure xorg does it mean I need to upgrade my nvidia drivers?
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18:35<Student>ifvoid how can i check if my parallel port is working fine?>
18:35<ifvoid>connect a printer
18:35<ifvoid>but really
18:35<ifvoid>a parallel port?
18:35<Student>yes a parallel port
18:35<Student>and i am using this port for the first time
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18:36<Student>so i am not sure if it is the parallel port or the cups system that is creating problem
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18:37<ifvoid>oh, just cat some tekst to the port then
18:37<ifvoid>and see if the printer print it
18:37<ifvoid>or cat a pcl file
18:37<Kaeliana>ifvoid: here is a zenmap result of that port:
18:38<Student>ifvoid can you kindly write the exact command about cat to parallel port ?
18:38<ifvoid>Kaeliana: filtered, so probably a firewall
18:39<ifvoid>Student: echo "test\r\n" > /dev/lp0
18:39<Student>ifvoid i tried printing a TEST page but its status is on Pending, so i am not sure if the parallel port is not responding or there is a problem with software installation
18:39<ifvoid>have you checked the logs?
18:39<Student>ifvoid ok, which logs should i check?
18:40<ifvoid>the cups log
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18:41<Student>well ifvoid the command you told me does printed out
18:41<Kaeliana>ifvoid: does deban have a default firewall/iptable setting to drop external telnet traffic? I ask because the server was specifically placed outside my router firewall, and I am able to telnet to the BBS running on my windows box
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18:41<Student>so the parallel port is fine
18:41<ifvoid>Student: well, then cups is the problem and not the connection to the printer
18:42<ifvoid>Kaeliana: afaik not
18:42<ifvoid>Kaeliana: could it be your isp firewalling it?
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18:42<ifvoid>Kaeliana: apparently, it's a upnp port
18:42<Student>ifvoid can you kindly guide me how can i solve this problem and install my printer successfully?
18:42<ifvoid>Kaeliana: so try 4000 or so
18:42<Kaeliana>but then why could I telnet to my BBS?
18:42<ifvoid>Student: I'm sorry, I've got no idea
18:42<Kaeliana>which is on 4000
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18:42<ifvoid>Student: I displike cups for exactly this reason
18:43<ifvoid>Student: it's impossible to debug
18:43<Kaeliana>but I intend to ake that down. I thought I had removed it a long time ago
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18:43<Student>ifvoid well my target is to install my printer, not to use cups, i can live without cups
18:43<ifvoid>Kaeliana: well, any other port
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18:45<Kaeliana>tried it on 4002, 3000, and a couple others
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18:54<tracy>need help
18:54<tracy>please help me
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18:54<tracy>i need help findin out my coputer name
18:55<dmoerner>tracy: hostname. what do you mean?
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18:56<tracy>i need to find out what i would use for my hostname i have a mysql database im trying to ftp soem files too
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19:04<newsense>tracy, type hostname if thats what youre adter
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19:06<tracy>i need help figuring out my mysql databse host
19:06<tracy>please help someone
19:07<petemc>tracy: you could use /sbin/ifconfig to get the ip
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19:10<tascil>Hi. I have a problem with installing nvidia drivers on a box with Debian Lenny, and if anyone can help me, I'd greatly appreciate it.
19:10<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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19:12<tascil>(Not too experienced with Debian, but I can move my way around a terminal.) I've followed the guide on the debian wiki, and even though I followed it to the letter with no problems, it still won't work, and the xserver won't start.
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19:14<tascil>After going through the guide, I get an error along the lines of "Failed to start the X server...likely that it is not set up correctly." The resulting logs boil down to "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device! Screen(s) found, but none have a useable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found."
19:14<witte>tascil: upload your errors (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) and the config (xorg.conf) to a pastebin
19:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:15<witte>tascil: you might be interested in the package pastebinit to put it online
19:16<tascil>witte: Will do, thanks. How soon could I expect aid through doing this?
19:16<witte>tascil: what do you mean?
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19:16<witte>if you put your logs on a pastebin, we can have a look at it
19:17<tascil><nod> Okay, sorry. I thought it was like a bugtracking system.
19:17<witte>if we see something, you have a solution in 5 minutes...
19:17<witte>if not...
19:19<tascil>xorg.conf is and Xorg.0.log is
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19:20<abrotman>tascil: how did you install X ?
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19:21<witte>tascil: this looks a nasty one: diGH JOIN
19:21<witte>> oops
19:21<witte>this one: (WW) ****INVALID MEM ALLOCATION**** b: 0x12a000000 e: 0x12affffff correcting
19:22<witte>tascil: line 369
19:22<tascil>I just popped in a netinstall minimal CD of debian lenny earlier today. It installed fine, but when I restarted after the install and tried to log in, the screen did the verbose startup, blacked out for half a second, went back to the command line, blacked out, went back to the command line, blacked out, and a box came up and said that there was a problem.
19:22<abrotman>aptitude install xorg ?
19:22<tascil>What's it about?
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19:23<witte>tascil: looks like the memory is not allocated correctly, not good :-)
19:23<tascil>How lovely.
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19:23<tascil>Does it matter than I put in another two gigs of memory earlier today, to a total of four gigs?
19:23<witte>tascil: which card do you have? lspci |grep VGA
19:23<tascil>that, not than.
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19:24<tascil>nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1)
19:24<witte>tascil: i think video memory, not other
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19:24<tascil>The problem that caused all this is that I got a new monitor (to have a two-headed machine) that I was going to plug into the HDMI port.
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19:25<tascil>I was running xubuntu then, but it wouldn't work and the normal VGA monitor I had plugged in wasn't responding. So I was like "time for a new install!" and here I am.
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19:26<abrotman>aptitude install xorg ?
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19:27<tascil>abrotman: Does nothing.
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19:27<abrotman>tascil: nothing? or tells you there is nothing to install ?
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19:27<tascil>abrotman: Sorry, nothing to install; apt-get install xorg says "xorg is already the newest version".
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19:28<witte>tascil: PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x06e4) rev 161, Mem @ 0x2a000000/24, 0xd0000000/28, 0x128000000/25, I/O @ 0xdc80/7, BIOS @ 0xfea00000/17
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19:29<melodie>tascil, what is the pb exactly ?
19:29<witte>tascil: it seems your card is not supported by the driver you have
19:29<witte>line 102
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19:29<tascil>melodie: what's pb? witte: Okay. Is that the only problem, do you think?
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19:29<abrotman>tascil: lspci | grep VGA .. say anything useful ? try to `update-pciids` if not
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19:30<witte>tascil: do first what abrotman says
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19:30<melodie>tascil, pb is problem
19:30<witte>melodie: <-- tascil's xorg problem with nvidia
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19:31<tascil>abrotman, witte: Did. VGA compatible controller: NVidia blah blah blah; running update-pciids gets "Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2008-12-27 03:15:02".
19:31<abrotman>tascil: then check lspci | grep VGA again
19:31<melodie>I've got 2 downloads running on a 1 Mo adsl band I'll never make it
19:31<tascil>No change.
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19:32<abrotman>tascil: which card is it? which version of the nvidia driver?
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19:32<tascil>GeForce 8400 GS. As for the driver, is that in the logfile?
19:32<melodie>(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
19:32<melodie>I see
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19:33<tascil>NVIDIA GLX Module 177.82
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19:33<melodie>tascil, did you try install the non free driver with module-assistant N
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19:33<tascil>melodie: Yes. On the debian wiki, I did the install both ways, the nVidia way and the debian way.
19:33<melodie>tascil, if yes, did you also install nvidia-utils ?
19:33*Supaplex backported 169.09-1 when it was the thing.
19:33<melodie>then did you invoke as root nvidia-xconfig ?
19:34<melodie>that's what has to be done, in order to get a proper xorg.conf file for your graffic card
19:34<melodie>I've got the same as yours, but on another distro
19:34<abrotman>don't think that's the case with lenny and m-a
19:34<tascil>melodie: nvidia-utils doesn't exist as a package, I get. And yes, just now and I get the same output as I had before.
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19:35<tascil>melodie: and running startx after doing nvidia-xconfig gets me the same errors as in the logfile.
19:35<melodie>tascil, did you investigate with the "apt-cache search nvidia" command line ?
19:35<tascil>melodie: Hadn't heard about apt-cache. What does it do?
19:36<avu>tascil, tried reading its manpage?
19:36<tascil>avu: touché.
19:36<melodie>"apt-cache search" looks for all package name and descriptions containing the chain caracter given as argument
19:36<melodie>tascil, you can run it as user
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19:37<tascil>melodie: Ok. Run it; nvidia-utils doesn't appear in the list.
19:37<melodie>no just run it with nvidia as argument
19:37<melodie>and see what comes out, read all descriptions
19:37<tascil>melodie: Right, I did. I got a bunch of other packages, but not the nvidia-utils that you mentioned. Ok, will do.
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19:38<melodie>I tried at my brand new install : tascil
19:38<melodie>and I just saw a nvidia-xconfig package : do you have this one installed ?
19:38<dpkg>non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
19:39<melodie>I see nvidia-settings too which is very good to have and to use !
19:39<tascil>melodie: Huh. Apparently I hadn't so I just installed it.
19:39<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
19:39<melodie>as root, so you may start it with gksu or kdesu command, while having sudo installed and visudo configured
19:39<witte>melodie: his log file says that there is a memory allocation problem with his graphics card, and lspci does not recognize his card,
19:40<witte>melodie: i don't think tascil's problem is his config...
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19:40<melodie>witte, never believe the message logs as if
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19:40<melodie>when they don't know about the problem they say any bs
19:41<tascil>witte/melodie: I think witte may be right. My config file agrees with what the debian wiki says to do, but I can't say for certain. Every installation method I've followed appears to work, except for the whole x server running bit.
19:41<abrotman>he could uh .. delete the config and let X/lenny choose like it's supposed to
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19:42<melodie>witte, I had plenty problems with instant freezes in 2 distributions on my desktop when I installed this same graphic card, would it be with the non free or the nv free driver: it took weeks before solving it
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19:42<enouf>write a book...
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19:43<melodie>tascil, what does this command give ? : cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
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19:43<enouf>email nvidia, tell them they suck more smelly hairy ass than adobe flashcrapshit does
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19:44<abrotman>tascil: FWIW .. there is also a #nvidia on that might be of some help
19:44<melodie>enouf, I did, about another card, old one I found in old machine : Riva. figure out ! these bastards never answered
19:44<tascil>Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER / Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) / Cannot find a replacement memory range / Failed to initialize...screens found but none have a useable configuration
19:44*abrotman decides to try the laptop with not as much RAM
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19:45<melodie>tascil, just the errors, type 1 you can comment it in the xorg.conf file !
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19:45<melodie>it's deprecated that's why you get an error but this will not prevent X from running
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19:46<tascil>melodie: Done. Do what now, nvidia-xconfig?
19:46<melodie>why not ? do it as root for sure
19:46<hdon>hi all. a windows xp system has my only internet connection! i can set up a proxy on it easily enough, but how do i create a virtual networking interface on my Etch system that will tunnel through the proxy?
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19:48<tascil>melodie: Okay, done. Still won't work; pastebin the new Xorg.0.log?
19:48<melodie>tascil, just an idea after I saw some message on a Debian forum : did you compile the driver with the proper headers ? the ones that fit the kernel that's installed in your system ?
19:48<tascil>melodie: I followed the instructions on so I'm unsure how to answer. Maybe?
19:49<hdon>i realize there are many different types of proxies as well, i can probably set up whatever kind will work best with Etch
19:50<melodie>tascil, whole Xorg.0.log aren't useful : do extracts with errors : grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log and grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log (WW for warnings)
19:50<melodie>tascil, try to check it out ?
19:50<enouf>!seen wols
19:50<dpkg>enouf: i haven't seen 'wols'
19:51<melodie>if it's too difficult to succeed fast, you may want to consider posting on a forum, for more thoughtful answers
19:51<enouf>dpkg: why not?
19:51<dpkg>because I don't like you
19:51<enouf>dpkg: you suck ass
19:51<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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19:51<tascil>melodie: WW has directories not found: /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic and /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType
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19:52<tascil>melodie: EE has "cannot find a replacement memory range / failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device PCI:1:0:0 / ... / Screen(s) found, but none have a useable configuration"
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19:52<melodie>ok comment out the trutype and cyrillic, or install the truetype and comment the exotic cyrillic fonts
19:52<valdyn>tascil: you can also ignore the warnings
19:53<enouf>melodie: not even an issue
19:53<tascil>melodie: Where do I comment them out from? valdyn: Thanks.
19:53<melodie>enouf, one message error less lets the rest appear more easyly
19:53<enouf>dpkg: i love you, but sometimes you act like a dumbass
19:53<dpkg>enouf: I give up, what is it?
19:54<enouf>a breadbox
19:54<melodie>tascil, you should post at a forum, really. there are some very nice ones dedicated to Debian for sure
19:54<tascil>melodie: Okay, will do. Thanks, all.
19:54<enouf>melodie: WW != EE
19:54<melodie>chan's are good when there are missing details, not for the big battle
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19:55<witte>tascil: how new is your card?
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19:55*enouf sees valdyn is way ahead of me ..
19:55<tascil>witte: Good question. The computer and card were gifts that I got back in October, so they're second hand for sure. I can't say.
19:56*enouf is slow .. vry slow tonight
19:56<witte>tascil: ok, but not brand new, that was my question in fact
19:56<enouf>lspci -nn | grep VGA
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19:57<melodie>why is not xvesa available at Debian packages ?
19:57<enouf>xvesa sucks ass?
19:57<tascil>witte: Okay. enouf: [10de:06e4] is what's new from before.
19:58<melodie>I 'm looking for lighter stuff for a 450 mhz machine with 84 mo ram
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19:58*enouf runs p2 350/100 w/512 ram
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20:00<witte>tascil: that card should work just fine
20:00<witte>are you sure it is not broken
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20:01<Dracie>hi isthere a way to disable minimzing in a wm?
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20:01<witte>tascil: or maybe it is not connecting 100 %
20:01<melodie>miam !
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20:02<melodie>good night folks ! :)
20:02<melodie>good end of year to all if I don't come back soon
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20:02<hdon>can anyone help me with creating a tunneled network interface on Etch?
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20:03<tascil>witte: connecting? Like, physically?
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20:03<witte>tascil: yes
20:03<tascil>witte: It was working yesterday before I hooked up a monitor (exactly the same as the one hooked up to VGA) to the HDMI port and restarted the computer.
20:03<hdon>Dracie: depends on the WM! why would you want to disable minimizing anyway?
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20:04<tascil>And that was on xubuntu, before I wiped the hard drive and installed debian.
20:04<witte>tascil: maybe the card is not in its sloth like it should
20:04<tascil>witte: I'll check it to make sure it's in there all the way.
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20:07<Student>ifvoid now that was fun installing my laserjet on Debian ;)
20:07<Student>every thing fixed and done
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20:08<tascil>witte: Yeah, it's in the all the way, firmly.
20:09<Dracie>hdon, i think it would be eaiser to just shading, and more workspaces
20:10<hdon>Dracie: well does your WM support shading and workspaces?
20:10<Dracie>hdon, yes, i am using xfwm
20:12<hdon>Dracie: so what about your current configuration is unsatisfactory to you?
20:12<hdon>Dracie: is it that sometimes windows become minimized, and you would rather they became shaded when that happened?
20:12<hdon>Dracie: or do you just want to get rid of the panel that contains your minimized windows?
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20:14<Dracie>hdon, i think shading would suit my needs better, and i would get rid of the taskbar and stuff, but I am not sure if I can explicitally disable minimizing windows even if i was to click the minimze button
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20:16<hdon>Dracie: removing the 'taskbar' is a desirable feature. if you aren't particularly attached to xfwm, i recommend checking out fluxbox (you might have to build it from source though to get a recent enough version to be worth checking out)
20:16<Dracie>im on lenny btw
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20:17<Dracie>i just like the themeing
20:17<Dracie>can you do that in fluxbox?
20:19<hdon>Dracie: yes fluxbox has theming support
20:19<hdon>Dracie: it's also written in C++ and is fairly easy to get into the source code if you know C++
20:20<Dracie>hdon, yeah I should learn some more C++ i only know some real basic
20:21<Dracie>how do i check what version of fluxbox i got?
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20:24<stevecotton>Dracie: dpkg -l fluxbox
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20:30<xlotlu>how can i clean my package database to get rid of packages that don't exist anymore?
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20:32<simonrvn>xlotlu: i just take a look at the "obsolete and local packages" in aptitude
20:32<hdon>xlotlu: do you mean you want to erase files that have been downloaded by apt and aren't needed anymore?
20:32<xlotlu>hdon: no, what simonrvn said
20:33<hdon>just checking ;)
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20:33<xlotlu>hdon: but while you're at it, you can come up with a solution for running apt-get clean automatically after install :)
20:33<hdon>can anyone help me create a tunnel/proxy network interface on Etch? i need to get off Windows XP desperately and i can't do that until i have internet...
20:34<micah1>Does anyone know if the current etch version of mysql is succeptable to the leap second problems
20:34<hdon>xlotlu: i think there's an option to apt-get which does that
20:34<xlotlu>hdon: nope, only available as a dselect method
20:34<simonrvn>xlotlu: set one for aptitude or apt-get via the conf
20:35<hdon>ah, dselect.. haven't used that in forever!
20:35<simonrvn>er yeh, apt-get won't do it
20:35<xlotlu>aptitude makes me nervous. tried to use it several times but always fell back to apt :)
20:36<hdon>xlotlu: even from the commandline? (ie. not the terminal-based gui?)
20:36<simonrvn>it's like dselect but better in several ways
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20:37<xlotlu>what, there's a gui-d aptitude?
20:37<xlotlu>oh, ncurses gui
20:37<hdon>xlotlu: more like textual user interface i guess..
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20:37<peterS>xlotlu: yeah nowadays there is an aptitude-gtk
20:37<peterS>I don't think it's in Debian yet
20:38<xlotlu>hmm, maybe i should install that for the wife
20:38<peterS>there is synaptic, but I've always liked aptitude better, so when aptitude-gtk is ready for prime time I suspect I'll like that better than synaptic too
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20:38<xlotlu>i caught her trying to compile gphoto2....
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20:39<peterS>hey simonrvn
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20:40<abrotman>i thought the gtk interface had made it to experimental
20:40<dmoerner>it is in experimental
20:40<simonrvn>peterS: :)
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20:40<peterS>abrotman: I think you're right. the experimental aptitude appears not to be installable on amd64 right now so I can't have a better look
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20:40<abrotman>oh .. peterS and his fancy hardware
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20:41<bartleby>anyone here syncing a mobile phone with evolution?
20:41<peterS>abrotman: hey I held out on 32 bit until last April. that's a lot longer than most people who play with computers for a living did
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20:41<abrotman>peterS: uhm .. i have 32bit :)
20:41<peterS>well, Linux anyway, there was no reason at all to go to 64-bit in the windows world until pretty recently
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20:42<abrotman>though i think the macmini could run ppc64, not really sure
20:42<abrotman>though this laptop is trying to die
20:42<peterS>abrotman: ah, heh. I only just switched to using this thing as primary machine, when my oldie-but-goodie athlon was recently killed in a tragic power spike accident
20:42<abrotman>i think it ate one of the memory modules .. so either i suffer with what it has now or try to find some new stuff
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20:43<simonrvn>peterS: not running that p3 anymore, have a 1st gen. athlon
20:43<peterS>finally got the X server to talk to the new 24" LCD I just bought for this thing. my classic 21" CRT from 1996 now looks somewhat less crisp than I thought it did before (:
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20:44<simonrvn>they get out of tune, heh
20:44<xlotlu>that must've costed a sh*tload of money back then..
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20:44<peterS>xlotlu: it retailed for like $1000, I bought it used for $600 and figured I was getting a pretty good deal
20:45<peterS>I don't think I bought it in 1996, more like 1998, but it's a 1996 model
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20:46<peterS>so for the record, the 'radeonhd' driver drives the HDMI/DVI port of my R600-class card a lot better (read: it works at all) than the 'radeon' driver does
20:47<peterS>interestingly the radeon driver detected the PnP of this monitor just fine. just had some trouble actually sending a useful signal to it.
20:47<peterS>so yeah, (1920 + 1600) x 1200 now. might be enough for me to get useful work done on this box. (:
20:47<hdon>no help creating a tunnel/proxy network interface? :( :( :(
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20:49<simonrvn>peterS: nice
20:50<abrotman>or maybe i just blew the socket .. this will require some testing
20:50<peterS>hmmm I don't think I'm a fan of this whole modern xorg "we've got RandR 1.2 so now we're too good for xinerama and separate screens" thing
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20:51<peterS>I prefer for my window manager 'maximize' function to mean 'only cover the current physical screen'
20:51<abrotman>peterS: blame gravity!
20:51<gravity>Wrong DD
20:51<peterS>abrotman: I think he's mostly out of it, I can blame bryce and/or julien?
20:51<abrotman>doesn't have the same ring ...
20:51<gravity>You actually want to blame keithp
20:52<peterS>oh right. and he's a DD too, yes?
20:52<abrotman>see .. that just sounds like a kid with a lisp
20:52<peterS>keith packard rocks my world, actually, but I still think my window manager needs to know about my physical screen boundaries
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20:53<peterS>actually ... I'll blame tuomov!
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20:53<blockowitsch>hello. following problem: i need to help someone with his brand new debian and would like to use ssh. problem is, that my and his computer is behind a firewall (hardware router)
20:53<peterS>blockowitsch: for outbound ssh this is usually no problem - you're wanting inbound ssh?
20:54<blockowitsch>i have a public accessible debian server running that i would like to use as some kind of relay, is that possible?
20:54<blockowitsch>peterS: yepp
20:55<peterS>blockowitsch: ahh. anything's possible ... but I don't know of any such service that already exists in Debian, except various VPN software such as tinc or openvpn
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20:56<blockowitsch>hmm true, a vpn would be a solution
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20:57<blockowitsch>thanks peterS
20:58<abrotman> perhaps ?
20:58<hdon>blockowitsch: there's a simpler solution if all you want is ssh to hop -- yes that's the exact link i was going to give abrotman
20:58<peterS>blockowitsch: the 'tinc' vpn works well and is easy to set up (there is some talk about it being less secure than its competitors, but that shouldn't matter if all you need is a "relay") but I have noticed that it does not have any sort of TCP "keepalive" functionality, which is needed for some NAT devices such as the one we use at work
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20:59<hdon>blockowitsch: you can use a program called autossh to help keep the tunnel running
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21:00<peterS>ssh, unlike tinc, does have a config option for sending periodic pings so your NAT box doesn't decide to forget about your connection
21:00<hdon>blockowitsch: one problem i noticed with this sort of configuration though is that ssh doesn't respect the host:port combination as identifying an ssh server -- it only sees the hostname, it would seem
21:00<peterS>(ssh -o ServerAliveInterval=250 or whatever)
21:00<hdon>blockowitsch: so you'll want to edit your /etc/hosts file with a new entry for a server alias
21:00<peterS>hdon: I _believe_ that is supposed to be fixed in new-ish ssh
21:00<peterS>I haven't tested to see if that is true
21:01<hdon>peterS: ah, quite possible. this was a year ago i had this problem.
21:01<blockowitsch>wohoo abrotman and hdon, thats exactly what i meant
21:01*abrotman needs more karma
21:01<peterS>hdon: I worked around it by pointing two DNS records to the same gateway server (:
21:01<hdon>peterS: heh
21:02<abrotman>!karma abrotman
21:02<dpkg>abrotman has karma of 39
21:02*peterS feeds the energy 'brotman
21:02*abrotman bets only bob2 has more!
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21:02<blockowitsch>you guys know such situations when you thing "this feature is so obvious, it must exist somewhere and after research it actually does? happens all the day since i use linux :)
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21:02<peterS>blockowitsch: yeah, I've seen that a lot too
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21:07<hdon>blockowitsch: it would happen even more often if people would publish their solutions more often. i myself can think of twenty things i really have no excuse not to post on the web right now
21:07<hdon>except perhaps some perception that they are hackish or unfinished
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21:13<hdon>ah, it looks like the internet is now reporting on this problem. the only reason i need to set up an explicit tunnel is because i can't used Windows XP's "internet connection sharing" feature due to a software limitation
21:14<tom030>pidgin doesn't accept self-signed certs which you have placed in /etc/ssl/certs . This is mentioned in the source code (with a TODO), however. Is this still considered a bug? Is it wishlist?
21:15<hdon>ugh, the solution is proprietary software that costs $25... :(
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21:15<abrotman>tom030: i thought you could tell it to accept them
21:16<tom030>You can get it to accept self-signed ones, which not validate them against certs which you already have in /etc/ssl/certs
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21:17<tom030>So someone may have gone to the trouble of getting a few certs (through secure means) and placing them in /etc/ssl/certs. However, when pidgin connects to ircs:// it returns the self-signed cert (which may have been attacked man-in-the-middle style) and doesn't check it against the cert in /etc/ssl/cert.
21:17<tom030>It does check if it isn't self-signed, I think.
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21:18<van_dankenstein>hey im using 64 bit how do I download a 32 bit only package from the repo?
21:18<tom030>Sure, checking the cert manually could still be done, if you found where pidgin stored the certificate (it also outputs the fingerprint in a window)
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21:19<abrotman>van_dankenstein: you really don't
21:20<van_dankenstein>i have ia32 lib or whatever
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21:22<blockowitsch>van_dankenstein: why do you need that?
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21:22<blockowitsch>situations where this is required are very rare in todays times :)
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21:26<chack-1>some one can help me
21:27<chack-1>i whant to mount my raid disque
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21:27<chack-1>via a rescue boot
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21:28<chack-1>--> mount /dev/sda1 /media/disque1 don't work
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21:30*hdon sighs
21:30<hdon>i could always tunnel one port at a time with ssh
21:30<hdon>but that seems retarded
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21:31<van_dankenstein>so can i install a 32 bit package from the repo?
21:32<blockowitsch>van_dankenstein: what's that? sounds like a snes emulator..? you should probably think about an emulator that is in the debian archives
21:32<van_dankenstein>it is
21:32<van_dankenstein>only i386
21:32<blockowitsch>try other snes emulators
21:32<hdon>oh well. have to disconnect from the net to try something.
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21:32<blockowitsch>like snes9x-x
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21:33<blockowitsch>snes9x i mean
21:33<blarson>van_dankenstein: You can create a 32-bit chroot.
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21:34<van_dankenstein>whats that?
21:34<dpkg>well, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64>
21:34<blockowitsch>van_dankenstein: check dchroot, it allows you to easily set up a 32bit debian chroot
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21:35<van_dankenstein>yeah i tried snes9x and it doesnt work
21:36<blockowitsch>what was the problem? maybe it's easier to fix the snex9x problem
21:37<van_dankenstein>can i download the .deb and dpkg --force-dependancy?
21:37<van_dankenstein>oh snes9x wont read my roms and it wont say why
21:37<van_dankenstein>why not?
21:37<blockowitsch>you'll get big problems if you install the i386 into your 64bit debian
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21:37<blockowitsch>yout need special 32bit packages for amd64 debians
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21:38<van_dankenstein>fuck i guess ill just have to use wine for yet another thing
21:38<tom030>There is talk of patches which supposedly fix zsnes so it builds on amd64 on (and it supposedly works on Ubuntu 64bit)
21:39<van_dankenstein>why cant i use force dependancy?
21:40<blockowitsch>as i said, it would destroy your system (if it would work, and i don't think so)
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21:44<van_dankenstein>ok i found this
21:44<van_dankenstein>it links to a repo with a lenny section with zsnes32
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21:44<van_dankenstein>which should run on x64?
21:45<JordiGH>I think I tried it.. and it didn't work. But that was a while ago. Maybe it's been fixed since then.
21:46<van_dankenstein>it didnt break anything did it?
21:46<van_dankenstein>im going to try it
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21:53<van_dankenstein>ok the repo doesnt even work :(
21:53<van_dankenstein>fuck i give up
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21:58<xlotlu>what's a nice and free tahoma font substitute?
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22:28<Supaplex>try english
22:28<dpkg>hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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22:29<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: one of these days dpkg needs to learn CDIR + so we can "guess" the location these folks come from. =) It'd be sweet.
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22:36<witte>xlotlu: tahoma is nice?
22:37<witte>isn't that the font windows uses for its menus?
22:37<abrotman>mostly IIRC
22:38<xlotlu>witte: nice as in properly hinted. artistical nicety is irrelevant
22:38<xlotlu>witte: and yeah, it's actually artistically nice for me. it's the last remnant of my MS addiction :)
22:40<witte>xlotlu: aren't they in ttf-mscorefonts-installer
22:40<xlotlu>i just uninstalled msttcorefonts, and i had the defoma "hints" inside the same file, and firefox went crazy, so i thought it might be a good time to look for an alternative
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22:41<witte>xlotlu: with apt-file search tahoma, i find that they are also in libwine
22:41<xlotlu>i do have the font, i just wanted to go "free". and no, tahoma isn't there, somewhat differently licensed from those.
22:42<witte>something like this:
22:43<xlotlu>witte: nope, that's greenville, a font from reactos. and it's far from being up to par with the real thing
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22:44<witte>xlotlu: ok, in that case, i do not know, and it is 4:43 here, so I do not really feel like thinking to hard about it... sorry that i couldn't help you
22:45<craigevil-eee>ttf-liberation - Free fonts with the same metrics as Times, Arial and Courier, and ttf-linux-libertine are ok if you want "free" fonts
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22:46<xlotlu>craigevil-eee: i got liberation, that's why i got rid of mscorefonts
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22:47<xlotlu>it's just that i can't find a font that looks good for menus / decorations / etc
22:50<xlotlu>sans ....
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23:13<berbur>7Join #sidux
23:13<abrotman>8No Thanks
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23:17<seanius>9 gooolden rings
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23:18<debboy>hello. i've typed in a wrong password on alioth too many times, now i'm not getting any response (ssh hanging). any way i can get it going again?
23:19<abrotman>debboy: ask the alioth channel .. #alioth i think
23:19<debboy>ok thanks
23:19<seanius>debboy: sounds like fail2ban has blacklisted you
23:19<debboy>good news
23:20<debboy>it just came to life. i think it was a few minutes until it started responding again
23:20<debboy>sorry for the noise
23:20<seanius>debboy: yeah, fail2ban expires old bans after some time
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23:56<user01>is there an open source comic chat client? i want to have a retro night :)
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