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00:32<rxs>Hi , I was just wondering if someone could tell me the name of the tool that helps me buld a distro with my current linux ( debian ) install , i remember to have read and book marked, but cant find !
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00:39<superjet_busy>rxs: bootcd
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00:42<Supaplex>does debian policy require init.d scripts to be lsb compliant? should/can I report bugs for default init scripts not following lsb spec?
00:42<rxs>sperjet: thx checking
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00:47<Supaplex>ahh. looks like #427889 answers my question.
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00:51<Vantage13>hi, for installation on a new amd desktop system, would you recommend 32 or 64 bit debian? (lenny or sid)
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00:55<dondelelcaro>Vantage13: depends on whether you need 32 bit binary-only things
00:55<toloza>hola ay alguien que hable español
00:56<frolic>debboy, toloza !es
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00:56<jgoppert>64bit etch
00:56<tremeur53>Hello ? !
00:56<hamsand>Vantage13, i recommend 32 bit debian (lenny). my machine often freezed by amd in 64 bit debian system...
00:56<toloza>q tal frolic
00:57<frolic>debhelper, !es
00:57<Vantage13>dondelelcaro: well the only things I suspect that would be interesting in 32 bit would be flash/java, but if I recall 64 bit versions of both are now starting to come out?
00:57<tremeur53>Français SVP ?
00:57<debboy>i can say hola and tapas but thats about it
00:57<jgoppert>use java 5 and you are find, also you can find the installer for flash 9 online and use the 32 bit wrapper
00:58<jgoppert>java 6 has problems in 64bit
00:58<jgoppert>until they come out with r10, but its still beta
00:58<tremeur53>débutant linux, y a un pro ?
00:59<dondelelcaro>Vantage13: java has 64bit versions; about the only thing is flash, and I don't use it
00:59<dondelelcaro>(and gnash has no problem)
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01:01<zobel>dondelelcaro: IIRC adobe has recently published 64bit version of flash
01:01<tremeur53>débutant (FR)
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01:02<tremeur53>y a quelqqu'un ?
01:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
01:04<tremeur53>et on y va comment (je débarque !)
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01:05<hamsand>i think there have been many problems in 64 bit debian. Particularly, in using multibyte character set. i had been using Japanese language (ja_JP.UTF-8) in 64 bit deian (lenny), i often see my machine was freezed. i try to use 32 bit debina (lenny), there is no freezing.
01:07<jgoppert>just use etch, it is very stable in 64bit, and build the packages you need from lenny from source
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01:08<zobel>or just use then. which comes nearly to the same.
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01:20<Vantage13>etch is pretty ancient these days :)
01:21<CheeToS>I'm pretty new to deb and I know it's conservative; roughly how long do new releases stick around in the RC stage, historically?
01:21<Vantage13>so what are the major advantages to using a 64 bit distro over a 32 bit one?
01:23<superjet_busy>none ,if just for desktop
01:23<Vantage13>superseb: where would there be an advantage?
01:25<hamsand>in using Blender, we can use many many memory in a 64 bit system :)
01:25<Vantage13>now the memory advantage is only if a particular app is trying to allocate that much ram, right?
01:26<hamsand>but be not peculiar to Blender
01:26<jgoppert>32 bit can only address around 4 gig's , so if you have less than 4 gig's of ram 64bit is worthless
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01:27<jgoppert>unless you are doing double precisioin computations a lot
01:28<Vantage13>I see
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01:30<superjet_busy>most of things natived in 32-bit without using 64-bit's advantages
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01:33<oipunx>i'm having problem mounting a hdd from my laptop
01:33<oipunx>my laptop died and im trying to recover data from the hdd
01:33<oipunx>but it wont mount on this computer
01:33<oipunx>[ 174.831145] attempt to access beyond end of device
01:33<oipunx>[ 174.831155] hda2: rw=0, want=4, limit=2
01:33<oipunx>[ 174.831157] EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock
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01:34<oipunx>it's ext3
01:34<oipunx>it's not encrypted or anything
01:35<superjet_busy>!tell oipunx about testdisk
01:37<oipunx>is this thing gonna write to the drive?
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01:41<superjet_busy>you'd better dump it first then to use those tools
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01:45<oipunx>thanks let me try this
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02:40<ilyas>hi all
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02:41<Dracie>hi where would i find README.debian for apt-buidl
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02:41<sep>Dracie, allways in /usr/share/doc/$packagename/
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02:42<Dracie>sep, thx i forgot *blush*
02:42<ilyas>can i update all knoppix in debian package??
02:45<sep>ilyas, i do not think that would work very well, try reading I recomend you reinstall as debian from scratch
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02:46<ilyas>thx sep
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02:55<vimpulse>hi all. apt-cache madison says the version of crawl in unstable Sources is 2:0.4.4-1 but in unstable Packages is a lower version, just 2:0.4.1-1. I suspect that that means the buildds haven't yet compiled the newest version of crawl, since it was uploaded only about 12 hours ago. Do you suspect that I am right?
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03:03<sep>vimpulse, why guess when you can check ?
03:03<vimpulse>sep: I didn't know about I will click that link now :)
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03:04<vimpulse>ok, I see for i386 (my platform): games/crawl_2:0.4.4-1: Built by buildd_i386-ninsei [optional:out-of-date]
03:04<vimpulse>so it is built. why doesn't apt-get get it? :)
03:04<sep>vimpulse, keep in mind that after it's built it need to go into the repo. and then be synced out to all mirrors. :)
03:05<vimpulse>sep: ah :) I will wait.
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03:10<vimpulse>sep: thanks.
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03:46<blah>Hi I was wondering if there is anyway to trace the kernel when it crashes and auto reboots
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03:47<blast_hardcheese>Hey, NFS question: rpc.statd takes freaking forever to start up and quit, so much so that it hangs networking on startup. Fortunately it's after the interfaces have been brought up, so I can get into the box. Last time I shut down it took nearly 8 minutes to shut down completely. Last time I had this problem it was because localhost was not defined in /etc/network/interfaces, that's not the problem this time though.
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04:08<avu>blast_hardcheese, is your /etc/hosts set up correctly?
04:08<avu>blast_hardcheese, (ie containing ' localhost'?)
04:09<blast_hardcheese>avu: Yep,
04:09<blast_hardcheese>that's there
04:09<avu>blast_hardcheese, so when you 'ping localhost', it works as expected?
04:11<vimpulse>blah: did it emit a backtrace to /var/log? or could you use kdump maybe? I dunno. Anyone know the answer to blah's question?
04:11<vimpulse>blah: sorry, i'm going and can't help you more.
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04:12<blast_hardcheese>avu: Actually no
04:12<blast_hardcheese>Perhaps iptables is borked
04:13<lethalduck>Anyone having these errors with apt-get update?
04:13<avu>blast_hardcheese, but 'ip a s lo' shows the loopback device properly set up and with the right ip?
04:13<lethalduck>Failed to fetch http://mouse:9999/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch
04:14<blast_hardcheese>avu: iptables -I INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT did it
04:14<avu>lethalduck, well, the mirror you are using seems to have a proken Release file
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04:14<avu>broken even :)
04:15<lethalduck>how can you tell?
04:15<avu>10:13 < lethalduck> Failed to fetch http://mouse:9999/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch
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04:15<avu>the Release file contains the checksums for the Packages files
04:16<blast_hardcheese>lol, hooray for apt-proxy failure
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04:17<lethalduck>apt-proxy bug?
04:17<blast_hardcheese>lethalduck: Port 9999 is the default port for apt-proxy, I'm assuming someone (if not you) is trying to use it
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04:18<lethalduck>So is it apt-proxy's fault?
04:18<blast_hardcheese>I've had plenty of problems with apt-proxy, so much so that I've got a cronjob for restarting it every night.
04:18<blast_hardcheese>Nah, I'm just saying "Lol, apt proxy"
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04:19<blast_hardcheese>I use it myself, I just haven't had any time to contribute to the project and make it better
04:20<avu>lethalduck, I don't use apt-proxy myself. check out the Release file it generated. and see if the mirror it gets its files from has a correct Release file
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04:21<blast_hardcheese>lethalduck: Make sure your config file (and sources list) are _perfect_, apt-proxy doesn't like even the smallest error in configuration. It also won't tell you about the errors unless you read the backtrace and can figure out what it was trying to do
04:21<lethalduck>Any idea where to find the the release file?
04:22<blast_hardcheese>lethalduck: Try making a request to the URL apt failed at
04:22<blast_hardcheese>with a browser or telnet
04:22<avu>lethalduck, /debian/dists/<suite>/
04:22<avu>lethalduck, so in your case, /debian/dists/lenny/
04:22<stew>lethalduck: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release ?
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04:23<avu>yes, or you use the version already downloaded :)
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04:23<blast_hardcheese>also, lethalduck: make sure the perms on the directory apt-proxy is trying to write to are correct. tail -f /var/log/apt-proxy.log if you're not already
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04:33<lethalduck>Thanks guys
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04:46<lethalduck>Does my sources.list look ok?
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04:52<lethalduck>Just did another apt-get update and no errors
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05:29<jim_p>hello people
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05:43<sander_m>Hi. I am trying to install a Lenny system usinf d-i rc1 text-based installer but I have a problem. The "Select your timezone" only show US timezones. I'm in The Netherlands. I need CET or GMT. There is no "other" option. How do I proceed?
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05:44<jim_p>sander_m, if there is no "other" option, you can select something in the us for now and later dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to set it back to netherlands time. i am also sure that i had to go Europe > Athens
05:45<jarod>hi all i wanted to request help my eth1 card does not come online i installed dhcp3 to no avail does it hand out adresses
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05:46<sander_m>jim_p: I remember Europe->Something from earlier installs as well, but I think that was Location, not Timezone. I think this is a bug in D-I. I've chosen English as my language and a US keymap, but it shouldn't assume I am in the US because of that
05:47<jim_p>sander_m, true. i did the same, but set greek as language, and set tzdata after installation
05:48<sander_m>jim_p: Thanks. After the installation I'll see if there's a bug about it and it not, create one
05:48<jim_p>sander_m, sorry for the inconvenience
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05:49<sander_m>jim_p: No worries. PS: Graphical install does it correct. It first asks for location, then for keymap and timezone
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05:50<jim_p>does anyone know how can i send a notification with libnotify and zenity?
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05:50<jim_p>i want it to appear as a bubble box, not as an exclamation mark in the tray :(
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06:11<And1>Heya guys, what's wrong here? "if [ `mount | grep "bitsenke.local:/srv/data on /mnt"` > /dev/null ]; then"
06:11<aigarius>jim_p: most I can find is using another icon with --window-icon="info"
06:12<jim_p>thanks aigarius
06:12<aigarius>jim_p: I heard that the 'proper way' involves sending something somewhere over dbus
06:12<jim_p>oh ok
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06:13<jim_p>aigarius, i just want to send a message over ssh to my brother like "Dude close the bluetooth"
06:13<aigarius>jim_p: annoy him more and show a full --text-info with zenity then
06:17<aigarius>And1: I am not a shell expert, but I believe that 'if' works on the return value of the command and not on what it outputs on the stdout
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06:18<weasel>aigarius: and?
06:18<aigarius>And1: removing the redirect to /dev/null and using the -q option of grep might help
06:19<weasel>aigarius: grep exits properly depending on if it has hits or not
06:19<weasel>the redirect to dev null is no problem
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06:20<aigarius>weasel: what is then? I am rather lost when it comes to shell scripting
06:20<weasel>how about
06:20<weasel>if mount | grep "bitsenke.local:/srv/data on /mnt" > /dev/null; then
06:21<weasel>the test (i.e. [ ) and the backticks make no sense at all
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06:22<And1>Hmm, found something like that in my bashrc. But well, lemme try it without the ['s and the backticks.
06:23<aigarius>weasel: you are right, that works.
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06:23<And1>Yup, thanks guys. :)
06:24<aigarius>and substituting /dev/null with a -q option after that makes the line even shorter and easier to understand
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06:30<mihkel>I installed a package kalled tiger today
06:30<mihkel>ran it
06:31<mihkel>root /var/log/tiger:# egrep FAIL\:52 |wc -l
06:31<mihkel>root /var/log/tiger:# egrep WARN\:52 |wc -l
06:31<mihkel>and this is a fairly standard lenny box
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06:35<mihkel>--WARN-- [lin017w] The system is not configured to log suspicious (martian) packets
06:36<mihkel>although in /etc/sysctl.conf I have net.ipv4.conf.all.log_martians = 1
06:37<jarod>hi all i wanted to request help my eth1 card does not come online i installed dhcp3 to no avail does it hand out adresses
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06:38<mihkel>-FAIL-- [dev002f] /dev/log has world permissions
06:39<mihkel>will chmod-ig /dev/log fix that?
06:39<mihkel>or is there some config file for that?
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06:40<vss>hello. im having issues with xen on etch. Im trying to use etch as dom0. THe issues are related to networking. I have specified, that network-bridge should be used. Now... if i run dhclient on eth0, i receive ip aadress from dhcp server, but i cannot get to the network, because i get destination host unreachable. that brings me to the next question - should i assign an ip to the xenbro itself? because i would like every domU to have their personal ip
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06:53<tuxcrafter>hi all, i have been looking for monitoring software for clients and servers, i have read a lot of articles on,, i currently think Munin is the best option, but it does not what i want, I would like to monitor the hardware to prevent failures, so sensors, hdd, smart, mysql, mem, traffic. I would like to have this data stored in a mysql database and have images created in a directory one t
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06:54<bcochofel>How can I use the tar command to create a .tar.gz file that contains files that I have on a list file?
06:54<bcochofel>My list file has the filenames I want to tar separated by line
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06:55<jurg_>tar zcvf <archivename>.tar.gz `cat <file with list of filenames` <- guess that should work.
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06:57<bcochofel>jurg_: ok, I'll try that, thx
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07:05<bcochofel>jurg: I'm getting the list repeated over and over
07:06<bcochofel>jurg: let me tell you what I have and what I want
07:06<bcochofel>I've done a find before and another after I've installed one application
07:07<bcochofel>with diff I have the list of files that where created and I want to tar.gz that list
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07:07<jurg>You want to compress the list itself or the files in the list.
07:08<bcochofel>jurg: files in the list
07:08<jurg>Then that should work.
07:09<bcochofel>on the output of the command I get the list repeated over and over
07:09<bcochofel>like an infinite loop
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07:09<jurg>Uh, can you post the content of the list to a pastebin or something?
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07:14<jim_p>what package do i need to install for an nvidia 5700m ?
07:14<jim_p>normal or legacy? binary or source?
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07:18<bcochofel>jurg: since the list is long I've cut the tar list but there's several repeated entries.
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07:22<bcochofel>jurg: the same happens if I use: cat filelist.txt | xargs tar czvf test.tar.gz
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07:24<jurg>bcochofel: Weird, works like a charm here. Hopefully someone in here knows tar better than me :)
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07:27<bcochofel>if I open the tar.gz file on mc I have duplicated entries on all files/dirs
07:27<bcochofel>something is missing :)
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07:31<bcochofel>jurg: ok, got it. the list was created with find and I'm not filtering files, so I get the dir and the files within
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07:33<RedLance>Anybody here familiar with mgetty?
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07:40<jim_p>what package do i need to install for an nvidia 5700m ?
07:40<jim_p>normal or legacy? binary or source?
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07:55<vkumaar>hi, I have a small problem in connecting to yahoo messenger using pidgin. please help me in this ..
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07:57<RedLance>vkumaar: What's the problem?
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07:58<vkumaar>i m getting error meassage " could not connect establish connection to server: connection timed out "
07:59<vkumaar>however my gtalk is working fine with 443 port
08:00<RedLance>vkumaar: Ok, when you go under your accounts in Pidgin, and go into modify your Yahoo account, and click the Advanced tab, what do you have in there?
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08:01<vkumaar>RedLance: I am using default settings with no proxy
08:01<vkumaar>pager server :
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08:03<RedLance>vkumaar: Is there a check in Yahoo Japan?
08:03<vkumaar>pagerport 5050
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08:04<vkumaar>should it be checked
08:04<RedLance>vkumaar: Are you in Japan?
08:04<vkumaar>RedLance: no ... I am from India
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08:05<MaxPayne>hi @ all
08:05<RedLance>vkumaar: Ok, then no, we shouldn't need that checked...I have mine set to Use Gnome proxy settings...Do you know if you are behind a proxy of any sort?
08:05<vkumaar>no i am not behind any proxy
08:06<vkumaar>let me try with gnome proxy
08:06<vkumaar>RedLance: nope same error
08:07<RedLance>vkumaar: And what, exactly, is the error?
08:08<vkumaar> could not establish connection to server: connection timed out
08:09<RedLance>vkumaar: Can you try pinging the server address?
08:09<alien123>Ports known to work with yahoo as per pidgin website are are 20, 23, 25, 80, 119, 5050, 8001, and 8002.You can try one of the other ports
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08:11<vkumaar>ping is successful
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08:14<RedLance>vkumaar: Ok, I would try the other ports that alien123 listed
08:14<vkumaar>thx Red
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08:17<vkumaar>alien123: gol mal not working
08:18<vkumaar>RedLance: I tried with those ports but same error
08:19<RedLance>vkumaar: Hmmmm...
08:19<ranix>I didn't know yahoo chat was still around
08:19<ranix>blast from the past
08:23<RedLance>vkumaar: Which version of Pidgen?
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08:24<vkumaar>also checked in 2.4.3
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08:25<RedLance>vkumaar: Hmmm, I am running 2.5.2
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08:28<ranix>vkumaar: what happens if you specifically use rather than
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08:28<alien123>RedLance :Is it 2.5.2 coming in debian lenny ?
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08:29<ranix>vkumaar: und
08:29<ranix>08:14 < ranix> blast from the past
08:29<ranix>08:18 < RedLance> vkumaar: Which version of Pidgen?
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08:29<ranix>fckin mozilla paste
08:30<RedLance>alien123: Not sure, I am running Ubuntu 8.04
08:30<ranix>vkumaar: ports 20,23,25,80119,5050,8001,8002 are known to work with yahoo messaging, try each of them
08:30<ranix>RedLance: what browser do you use? I am getting sick of the poor linux version of firefox
08:31<vkumaar>same error
08:31<RedLance>ranix: I'm using Firefox 3.0.5
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08:33<RedLance>ranix: Although I also use Opera
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08:35<enouf>vkumaar: try bitlbee?
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08:37<grig>i'd like to install lenny on my new laptop and i need at least 2.6.27 kernel. what should i do?
08:37<ranix>RedLance: I'm using 3.0.4. The annoying inconsistencies (in Linux, the 'preferences' is located under the 'edit' menu, while in Windows it's in 'Tools', the f6 button does not select the location bar in linux, the fuckin' shortcut keys to open the downloads window are different, seriously WTF
08:37<abrotman>grig: need it for what?
08:38<grig>abrotman: need for supporting the hardware inside
08:38<RedLance>ranix: Yeah, I can't help ya there...I don't know why they moved things all around.
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08:38<abrotman>grig: to install? or to get netwoorking ?
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08:39<evertt_zufelt>Good morning, looking for someone interested in a paid project to create an automated debian installer for my eeepc 900ha.
08:39<grig>abrotman: the way i have always installed Debian was by using NetInstaller
08:39<abrotman>grig: so neither wifi or wired works on the .26 provided ?
08:39<grig>abrotman: installing the minimum system
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08:39<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2> and <atl1e>. #debian-eeepc on
08:39<grig>abrotman: that is correct
08:40<abrotman>grig: what kind of ugly hardware is this? i'm guessing the wifi is intel 5300 or ath9k
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08:41<wal92>adding to the grub windows XP?
08:41<grig>abrotman: 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100
08:41<grig>08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 10)
08:41<ranix>evertt_zufelt: there is already an automated installer for the eee
08:42<abrotman>grig: i think the bcm works in .26 .. lspci -nn .. i'll tell you
08:42<ranix>evertt_zufelt: see
08:42<evertt_zufelt>ranix: I mean fully automated. I put in my USB key and boot to it, walk away, come back, debian is installed.
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08:42<grig>abrotman: right now i'm typing from this laptop, using a copy of Live Ubuntu, featuring a 2.6.27 kernel, over WiFi.
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08:43<abrotman>i only need the xxxx:xxxx from lspci -nn
08:43<grig>abrotman: so i guessed that using at least 2.6.27 would be a good start
08:43<grig>abrotman: anyway, thanks for your help, i'll give it a try using 2.6.26
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08:44<abrotman>if you give me the pciid ..i can give you a better hint
08:44<abrotman>!which driver
08:44<dpkg>it has been said that driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
08:45<grig>abrotman: 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232]
08:45<abrotman>wired ?
08:46<abrotman>the 5100 needs a .27 ... i already knew that
08:46<grig>abrotman: i'll try the install wired, of course
08:47<grig>abrotman: problem is, the old trick of mounting the USB stick during install on /cdrom doesn't seem to work anymore
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08:48<RedLance>Anybody here familiar with mgetty?
08:49<abrotman>RedLance: ask a more detailed question
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08:50<enouf>RedLance: only thing i can tell you is /etc/inittab might be important ;-)
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08:51<enouf>depends in which context one wants to use it :-P
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08:52<RedLance>Ok, I'm trying to setup an mgetty server so my Tivo can dial into it to get to the internet. I have the modem setup and working, but the Tivo dosen't get connected...
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08:53<enouf>RedLance: the only doc i have bookmarked .. circa 1999! :-P
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08:56<RedLance>Well it seems the mgetty box is not responding, so I can't pull up the logs to tell you all what is happening...I'll have to come back after I get it back up.
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08:59<TheKnight1981>hallo everybody
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09:00<TheKnight1981>my boot process take too much time in particular on MTA starting and OpenBsd secure shell server configuration...asuming i really dunno what MTA is and what OpenBsd ssh is used for, is there anyway to improve my bootup speed?
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09:04<cahoot>TheKnight1981: not simply hostname not set up?
09:04<abrotman>probably lacking in /etc/hosts
09:05<TheKnight1981>how to fix?
09:05<enouf>which mta?
09:05<abrotman>what is your computer hostname ?
09:06<abrotman>and what are the contents of /etc/hosts
09:07<TheKnight1981>where to paste'
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09:09<TheKnight1981>my /etc/hosts
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09:10<abrotman>your machine is named Camelot ?
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09:10<abrotman>that hosts file should be okay to not have it wait for a name lookup issue ..
09:11<jarod> hi all i wanted to request help my eth1 card does not come online i installed dhcp3 to no avail does it hand out adresses
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09:11<ale>how know mysql in linux ?
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09:11<abrotman>how indeed
09:11<TheKnight1981>abrotman, i dunno what to do
09:11<abrotman>jarod: you want it to give out or request
09:12<abrotman>TheKnight1981: are there any messages in the syslog or messages that might give more hints ?
09:12<TheKnight1981>abrotman, i check
09:12<jarod>i wanted to request for help please
09:12<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>.
09:14<ale>how is experience about mysql ?
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09:16<TheKnight1981>abrotman, could you explain me in few words what MTA is?
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09:17<dpkg>well, mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>.
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09:17<jarod> hi all i wanted to request help my eth1 card does not come online i installed dhcp3 to no avail does it hand out adresses
09:19<TheKnight1981>!why an mta
09:19<dpkg>An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of mysql). The mta does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>.
09:19<TheKnight1981>abrotman, no useful messages in /var/log/syslog
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09:22<TheKnight1981>abrotman, that's my /var/log/syslog
09:22<TheKnight1981>just for control
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09:24<vkumaar>hi, i ahave a small query abt iphone with linux
09:24<TheKnight1981>vkumaar, just ask
09:24<vkumaar>how to sync my iphone with linux do we have linux based itunes
09:25<vkumaar>or is it possible to upload photos and movies to my iphone 3g
09:26<TheKnight1981>vkumaar, gtkpod wokrs perfectly with ipods, i dunno anything about iphone
09:26<TheKnight1981>you could just try
09:26<vkumaar>let me try that
09:26<TheKnight1981>but you should be able to use it as mass storage...
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09:30<Stephim>TheKnight1981 : your bootup issue seems to be with waproamd according to your syslog ( it takes about 40s )
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09:32<TheKnight1981>Stephim, i really dunno what is waproamd
09:33<Stephim>TheKnight1981 : It is intended to configure the WEP keys . it's obsolete by now . use wpa_supplicant instead
09:34<TheKnight1981>Stephim, it's quite absurd for me 'cause i use wpa_supplicant! how to fix in your opinion?
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09:35<vkumaar>gtkpod is not detecting my iphone
09:36<TheKnight1981>vkumaar, unfortunately my experience stops here :
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09:36<TheKnight1981>Stephim, ?
09:36<apostle>what is the best application for linear video editing for Debian Lenny
09:37<Stephim>TheKnight1981: i don't know i'm using Wicd to configure the network interfaces..
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09:37<TheKnight1981>Stephim, i use my hands.. :) so i can purge that package..i suppose...right?
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09:39<Stephim>TheKnight1981 : i guess you can purge regarding the log about waproamd
09:40<Stephim>it's not usefull
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09:41<TheKnight1981>Stephim, thanks
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09:42<Stephim>TheKnight1981 , let us know if you fixed your issue ;-)
09:42<TheKnight1981>abrotman, do you agree with this solving attempt?
09:42<TheKnight1981>Stephim, of course ;)
09:42<aetheria>does anyone have an idea why apt-file says that /usr/bin/qemu-nbd exists as part of qemu package yet i can't locate it at for either testing or unstable?
09:43<aetheria>and i did just to a fresh apt-file update
09:43<aetheria>i also have qemu installed and dpkg -L does not list it
09:44<aetheria>changelog.Debian.gz makes no mention of it either
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09:47<Stephim>aetheria : what do you mean ? you didn't get the 'qemu-ndb' file ?
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09:49<aetheria>it appears to not exist
09:50<gsimmons>aetheria: Did you install qemu from experiemental?
09:51<aetheria>gsimmons: no. packages.debian doesn't list it in testing, unstable, nor experimental btw
09:51<abrotman>guess i agreed :)
09:52<aetheria>0.9.1-9 is the version of qemu i have installed
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09:54<TheKnight1981>Stephim, no...i didn't fix.. :(
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09:54<TheKnight1981>my boot up process is still too slow..
09:54<Stephim>TheKnight1981, paste your syslog
09:55<TheKnight1981>stopping about 30 secs on OpenBSD secur shell server's configuration..and MTA
09:55<TheKnight1981>ok Stephim
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09:56<aetheria>looking through to see if there's any info that might help, but don't see an
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09:56<aetheria>guess i can e-mail the maintainers and ask
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10:06<TheKnight1981>inet, just ask if you want support
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10:06<gsimmons>aetheria: Uh, qemu-nbd is in the version currently in experimental.
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10:06<TheKnight1981>Stephim, are you alive? ;)
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10:07<inet>I need a help
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10:07<Stephim>TheKnight1981 : i noticed 40sec lost between 63 and 127 sec bootup .. maybe it take too long to get a Dynamic IP address with dhcp.. try to use a Static ip to check
10:07<Stephim>tell us inet
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10:08<inet>perhaps iptables block
10:09<TheKnight1981>Stephim, in my /etc/network/interfaces both eth0 and ra0 are NOT auto plugged on..i noticed i to, but i seems to me stange..
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10:10<Stephim>TheKnight1981 , paste it /etc/network/interfaces
10:11<TheKnight1981>Stephim, and eth0 is however setted on a static ip address, but it's that of my office work lan, not that i commonly use (it's because i generally drop my system on wifi)
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10:11<Stephim>actually, you're not using your ra0 card?
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10:12<TheKnight1981>i'm using my ra0 (wifi), not my eth0
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10:13<paulliu>How to set iceweasel plugins precedence? I installed vlc, totem, and mplayer plugins for iceweasel. But I'd like totem to be the default one but now it's mplayer.
10:14<Stephim>TheKnight1981 : iface ra0 inet dhcp .. so you're using dhcp to get an ip address . However, you're using an Static ip with your eth0 card
10:15<Stephim>how is your bandwith with your wifi?
10:15<Stephim>signal i mean
10:15<TheKnight1981>paulliu, you've to edit preferences
10:16<paulliu>TheKnight1981: Where is preference files?
10:16<TheKnight1981>Stephim, do you mean the signel level or whatelse?
10:16<Stephim>yes the signal level
10:16<TheKnight1981>paulliu, open your browser, open edit menu and choose preferences
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10:17<paulliu>TheKnight1981: OK. But is it on Applications tab or??
10:17<TheKnight1981>paulliu, then in section applications you tell iceweasel which apps it should use to open any kind of file type
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10:18<Stephim>iwconfig ra0
10:18<TheKnight1981>Stephim, -64 dBm
10:18<TheKnight1981>yeah Stephim just technnical time :)
10:18<paulliu>TheKnight1981: But it seems I cannot choose among plugins. It only have options for "use plugin" "use application to open it" and "download it"..
10:19<TheKnight1981>yes paulliu , it's just what you need to
10:19<paulliu>TheKnight1981: And besides, there's no entry for Flash if I want to choose between gnash and libswfdec.
10:19<Stephim>and your link quality, TheKnight1981
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10:20<TheKnight1981>if you choose an app to open a given file type, iceweasel will always use that app, for example totem instead of mplayer
10:20<paulliu>TheKnight1981: But it's not plugin. It will be open by a seperate window.
10:20<TheKnight1981>Stephim, 70/ depends on room position relative to the router...but always above 60/100
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10:21<TheKnight1981>paulliu, maybe i didn't understand your trouble..;)
10:21<TheKnight1981>try to be clearer
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10:22<paulliu>TheKnight1981: I'd like to choose between plugins. Plugins open the files inside Iceweasel.
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10:22<Stephim>TheKnight1981 it's rather good.. just try to use a static ip to check
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10:23<paulliu>TheKnight1981: The application tab in preference will open files by downloading it first and then open by a seperate applications
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10:24<paulliu>TheKnight1981: I search some information on google but finds nothing. I only found someone has the same problem but no answers.
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10:24<TheKnight1981>ok paulliu
10:25<paulliu>For example,
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10:25<TheKnight1981>i dunno how to choose plugins in iceweasel, 'cause i've never had this kind of problem
10:26<TheKnight1981>Stephim, i don't like static ip address
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10:26<TheKnight1981>is there any other solving way in your opinion?
10:26<TheKnight1981>is the ssh server so strictly necessary?
10:27<paulliu>totem-plugin can only handle some types well, so I'd like to assign some format totem don't handle very well to mplayer and vlc
10:27<Stephim>only to check if it can solve the issue
10:28<Stephim>ssh server is usefull to access to your machine throught a secure protocol
10:28<paulliu>And I'd also like to choose between gnash/libswfdec because different website, they have different quality.
10:28<Stephim>but you can purge if nobody need to access your machine
10:28<TheKnight1981>paulliu, i suggest you to try on anu firefox/iceweasel channel on should exist one..
10:29<paulliu>TheKnight1981: Thanks.
10:29<TheKnight1981>paulliu, you're welcome...i didn't anything useful for you... :D
10:29<Stephim>paulliu.. whci files do you have in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
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10:31<paulliu>Stephim: Thank you sir. Now I know how to choose between gnash/libswfdec, seems update-alternatives.
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10:31<paulliu>Stephim: but for totem/mplayer/vlc, they are a lot of files there.
10:32<paulliu>Stephim: libtotem-* and mplayerplug-*.so ... many
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10:36<darthmall>is this the 4chan room?
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10:39<darthmall>i am having a problem viewing thumbnails in the /b/ boards. only on /b/. anyone know wtf is wrong? i dont have a problem viewing images on any other boards, and i cleared out my browser cache and history and cookies.
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10:42<darthmall>here is a screenshot of what /b/ looks like when im browsing it.
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10:47<abrotman>TheKnight1981: i'd rather you not msg me
10:48<TheKnight1981>abrotman, ok
10:48<abrotman>TheKnight1981: or at least ask permission and give some context
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10:51<kosmonavt>Hi people, can you tell a link to repository, where is ralink-firmware packet?
10:52<inet>По русски
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10:54<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:55<gsimmons>!tell kosmonavt -about ralink firmware
10:55<abrotman>his ip is turkish ?
10:56<RichiH> # no working mouse
10:56<RichiH> # working mouse
10:56<RichiH>any ideas?
10:56<abrotman>RichiH: can't you just paste the diff ?
10:56*abrotman hides
10:57<kosmonavt>Stephim, gsimmons - thanks for advice!
10:57<abrotman>RichiH: you have two sections named the same ?
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10:58<abrotman>RichiH: and try .. i think it preserves whitespace
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10:59<Plazzmex>need help with kernel choosing during installation. I have 4 options: 1) linux-image-2.6.18-6-686. 2) linux-image-2.6.18-6-486. 1) linux-image-2.6-686. 1) linux-image-2.6-486. which to choose ?
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11:00<Plazzmex>i know that i need one of the 686 options
11:00<Plazzmex>but which is beter 2.6.18-6-686 or 2.6-686 ?
11:01<RichiH>abrotman: the two InputDevice sections are OK
11:01<cahoot>what does aptitude show linux-image-2.6-686 return?
11:01<abrotman>they're named the same
11:01<Plazzmex>cahoot: what do you mean ?
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11:01<abrotman>Plazzmex: linux-image-2.6-686 is better
11:01<abrotman>in most cases
11:01<Plazzmex>i'm in the graphical installation
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11:02<Plazzmex>why the 2.6-686 is better? the second one seem to bne newer. no ?
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11:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
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11:04<abrotman>it's a metapackage that helps ensure you always have the most recent debian packaged kernel
11:04<davidka>hi - I have some trouble with the iscsi target patch? can anybody help?
11:04<cahoot>Plazzmex: run aptitude show linux-image-2.6-686 - you'll see what version you get
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11:05<Plazzmex>but how ? i'm in the graphical install system..
11:05<Plazzmex>go to the second console ? but last time i did this it hangs my system and i needed to reinstall from the beginning
11:05<amdgoon>Plazzmex: open a terminal and type it in
11:06<Plazzmex>amdgoon: how ? ctrl+F2 ?
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11:07<amdgoon>what window manager are you using? There should be an xterm in the menu.
11:07<Plazzmex>iwhich version it can be ? i have downloaded the netinst iso image from the debian website yesterday //
11:07<Plazzmex>amdgoon: there is NO windoiw manager. i'm in the installation process of debian...
11:08<abrotman>use xterm ?
11:08<abrotman>oh whoops
11:08<amdgoon>cntl-alt-F2 should give another terminal
11:08<Plazzmex>but then can i back to the graphical install system ?
11:08<amdgoon>but I don't think you'll have aptitude
11:09<Plazzmex>sure? cause last time i did this the graphical installer environment crashed..
11:10<amdgoon>hmmm that is not good
11:10<amdgoon>I'll check on an etch system for you
11:10<amdgoon>Are you installing lenny or etch?
11:10<cahoot>Plazzmex: so just take the advice from abrotman and go for 2.6-686
11:10<abrotman>or linux-image-686 even
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11:11<amdgoon>Version: 2.6.18+6etch3 is what you'll get according to my etch box
11:11<Plazzmex>it is better than 2.6.18-6-686 ? ok.. thanks
11:11<abrotman>use linux-image-2.6-686 or linux-image-686
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11:12<Plazzmex>there isn't one in the list that called linux-image-686, so i'll choose linux-image-2.6-686
11:12<abrotman>there will be later
11:12<abrotman>after the install is done and you add http sources
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11:13<amdgoon>yep sure, you should install one and then get the system going, you can get the other kernel later if you want to compare
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11:13<Plazzmex>ok.. thanks you very much duded.
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11:14<amdgoon>ok. at this point I actually don't see a lot of difference between the two, just looking at their package descriptions.
11:15<abrotman>assumiung there were ever a linux-image-2.{7,8}-686 ... it would pull that in
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11:16<amdgoon> linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 = Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1
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11:16<TheKnight1981>Stephim, i discovered the trick
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11:16<amdgoon>linux-image-2.6-686 = 2.6.18+6etch3
11:16<abrotman>that's the package version of that metapackage
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11:17<TheKnight1981>i commented the lines about eth0 (the lan at work, not at home) in my /etc/network/interfaces and my boot speeded up
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11:17<tuxcrafter>somebody knows a why to remote start a offline harddisk test and then close the ssh session witouth killing the test?
11:17<tuxcrafter>somebody knows a why to remote start a offline harddisk test and then close the ssh session witouth killing the test?
11:17<tuxcrafter>/usr/bin/screen -d -m -S smartctl-sda /usr/sbin/smartctl --test=offline /dev/sda
11:17<tuxcrafter>this keeps exiting
11:17<amdgoon>Package: linux-image-2.6-686 = Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686
11:17<tuxcrafter>(sorry for the double line)
11:17<TheKnight1981>so now i've a question...why does debian start the interfaces even if they're not setted to "auto", but on "allow-hotplug"?
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11:21<amdgoon>TheKnight1981: I have wondered that too :-)
11:21<TheKnight1981>Stephim, are you alive? ;)
11:21<TheKnight1981>amdgoon, ok, two is better than one ;)
11:21<abrotman>because allow-hotplug says "once the device exists, configure it"
11:22<abrotman>AFAIK anyways
11:22<TheKnight1981>abrotman, oh, it's totally new for me, i've always thinked to it as "once the cable (or the signal) is on, tryy to configure it
11:23<TheKnight1981>abrotman, what's AFAIK?
11:23<dpkg>well, afaik is as far as I know
11:23<dpkg>afaik is probably As Far As I Know
11:23<TheKnight1981>ok abrotman ;)
11:24<TheKnight1981>so do you have any suggestion?
11:24<abrotman>for what?
11:24<TheKnight1981>to fix my problem, if you remember, otherwhise i can describe it again
11:24<abrotman>short refresher please! :)
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11:25<TheKnight1981>ok :)
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11:25<TheKnight1981>ny system boot up was really slow, particularly taking too much time at MTA starting and OpenBSD ssh server confiiguration
11:25<abrotman>oh that one
11:26<abrotman>which MTA?
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11:26<abrotman>try adding "Camelot" to the end of the line
11:26<abrotman>with a space/tab separator
11:27<TheKnight1981>in which file? /etc/network/interfaces on eth0 section?
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11:28<abrotman>what are the contents of /etc/hostname ?
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11:30<TheKnight1981>abrotman, Camelot is just added to /etc/hosts in the way you described
11:31<abrotman>paste the hosts file in a pastebin
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11:33<abrotman>TheKnight1981: first line
11:36<TheKnight1981>i added it
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11:36<abrotman>and i guess restart ?
11:36<TheKnight1981>so your suggestion is to comment out the "allow-hotplug" line in /etc/network/interfaces?
11:36<TheKnight1981>and all should work properly?
11:37<abrotman>why would you?
11:37<abrotman>unless you don't want the network to work at boot time
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11:37<amdgoon>TheKnight1981: you just want it to boot faster, no?
11:38<TheKnight1981>abrotman, but i'd like network to rise up automatically when cable/signal is on
11:38<abrotman>then leave that there
11:38<abrotman>or try to find an option that does link-ready config
11:38<TheKnight1981>so they will rise up automatically even if "allow-hotplug" is commented?
11:39<abrotman>unless you can find a link option
11:39<abrotman>or just try it
11:39<TheKnight1981>abrotman, ok, i'll try
11:41<sander_m>Hi. Can someone help me with XrandR? It doesn't seem to find any of my monitors. When I execute xrandr it only shows screen "default" and not things like DVI-0, DVI-1, etcetera
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11:47<allan>i messed with my file permissions. what's the chmod code that would make me own everything in my own folder?
11:47<allan>i mean, user folder
11:48<abrotman>man chown
11:48<amdgoon>chown -R yourname.yourname * if you are in that folder
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11:49<[machine]>allan: chown -R yourname:yourgroup /yourfolder (must be run as root)
11:50<allan>thanks, amdgoon !
11:50<[machine]>amdgoon's answer will miss your dotfiles
11:50<allan>running it now
11:51<[machine]>(the -R means recursive FWIW)
11:51<allan>the files in my .config folder still aren't owned by me
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11:51<[machine]>allan: yes, see my comment
11:53<amdgoon>yes thanks, [machine]
11:53<allan>looks good so far
11:54<allan>permission's denied for .gvfs. is that supposed to be owned by root?
11:55<[machine]>what's the output of ls -ld /yourfolder/.gvfs?
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11:56<allan>oh. apparently, it's empty. haha
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11:58<allan>thanks. gtg :)
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12:09<TheKnight1981>abrotman, ok, my MTA and ssh problem are solved now...but how to make nets able to raise automatically when cable/signal is plugged, even if they're not setted on boot?
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12:17<SIM_EU>MotoHoss helo
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12:19<TheKnight1981>abrotman, ?
12:19<abrotman>apt-cache search network cable ?
12:19<MotoHoss> SIM_EU : EHLO.
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12:20<MotoHoss>hmm caps on by accident.
12:20<SIM_EU>i have a problem whit vsftpd
12:20<SIM_EU>i was able to make it work
12:21<SIM_EU>i've even made it to work whit ssl
12:21<SIM_EU>the problem is that is workinf fine inside the lan
12:21<SIM_EU>but on the outside world
12:21<SIM_EU>it gives 500 illegal PORT command
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12:22<SIM_EU>i've open ports 20 and 21 on the router
12:22<amdgoon>TheKnight1981: maybe look at ifplugd: apt-cache show ifplugd
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12:22<SIM_EU>and also some ports for the pasv
12:22<SIM_EU>still it cames whit the same eror
12:22<amdgoon>ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your
12:22<amdgoon> ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically
12:22<MotoHoss>SIM_EU: what firewall you using?
12:22<SIM_EU>it's just the router
12:23<MotoHoss>ahh ok the router.
12:23<MotoHoss>port redirection?
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12:23<SIM_EU>as i said it works fine inside the lan
12:23<TheKnight1981>amdgoon, does it the same with wifi signal?
12:23<SIM_EU>yes port redirection
12:23<SIM_EU>i've done it
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12:24<amdgoon>it mentions support for wireless, but I have not used it.
12:24<sander_m>I have just installed Lenny, but now I need to install Flash. How can I do that? The wiki ( says to install from unstable but does not says what I have to change in /etc/apt/preferences or sources.list. Help, please?
12:24<Silensius>how can i do a backup of my /home whith hiden files
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12:26<nosklo>Silensius, cp -a /home /some_folder
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12:29<sander_m>Can anyone explain what "a-now" does in the /etc/apt/preferences example on
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12:29<sander_m>typo: "a=now"
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12:35<amdgoon>sander_m: I see lenny has flashplayer-mozilla. you want the browser plugin?
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12:36<sander_m>amdgoon: No flashplayer-mozilla can be found by aptitude. I have main, contrib and non-free on
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12:36<sander_m>amdgoon: Do `apt-cache policy flashplayer-mozilla` and see where your's comes from
12:37<amdgoon>do you have deb lenny main in sources.list?
12:37<sander_m>amdgoon: Perhaps yours is from backports or debian-multimedi?
12:37<sander_m>amdgoon: Ah, no
12:37<amdgoon>it comes from there
12:37<sander_m>amdgoon: Because debian-multimedia breaks my totem et. al.
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12:38<sander_m>amdgoon: Yup. See and the message from 18/06/2008
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12:41<amdgoon>I'm looking to see if adobe has a tar file. I used to use that.
12:43<amdgoon>yes, looks like they have that option. See
12:43<amdgoon>under linux
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12:44<sander_m>Thanks. I'll look into it
12:44<amdgoon>this was x86 stuff
12:45<amdgoon>But I just read adobe has released a 64-bit version for linux.
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12:52<sander_m>Does aptitude use the pin priorities from /etc/apt/preferences?
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12:54<cyorxamp>What would be the logical place to put a script (say one that does backups, ran by cron).... /etc ? /bin ?
12:54<fxiny>yes , man apt_preferences
12:55<fxiny> /usr/local/bin ?
12:55<sander_m>fxiny: I am trying to prevent aptitude from installing the ATI drivers from debian's repository by pinning them to -1, but aptitude still wants to upgrade
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12:57<fxiny>sander_m: pin -1 your version then
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12:59<sander_m>fxiny: I tried:
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13:05<fxiny>sander_m: are you sure you wan pinning ? if you don't want a package version to be upgraded at all put the package on hold
13:05<sander_m>fxiny: How?
13:06<abrotman>!tell sander_m about hold
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13:08<sander_m>abrotman: Does synaptic also honour the holds that aptitude has? Because I use both...
13:08<simonrvn>!hold my hand
13:08*dpkg picks my hand up and holds on tight
13:09<abrotman>sander_m: you try it, let me know
13:09<sander_m>abrotman: It does not :-(
13:09<abrotman>try the dpkg hold ?
13:10<fxiny>dselect rulez :P
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13:12<sander_m>abrotman: dpkg --set-selections works
13:12<fxiny>do you think i do the ugly --set-selection to tell apt that a package is on hold ? i run dselect :P
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13:12<sander_m>But I find it weird/ugly that I have to do this for multiple package managers
13:13<sander_m>and what does update-manager use? Do I need to hold it there as well?
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13:13<abrotman>fxiny: how do you think dselect does it ?
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13:14<fxiny>abrotman: by pressing =
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13:14<abrotman>it uses dpkg AFAIK
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13:14<abrotman>i could be wrong
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13:14<fxiny>of course dpkg does it
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13:14<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
13:14<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
13:14<fxiny>seen ?
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13:16<custardslice>i'm lost
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13:17<fxiny>but dselect is so fast loading , i still use it only to hold/unohold packages . aptitude in this respect is a world apart
13:17<warripei>does anyone knows how can i recover corrupteds files from a MMC card
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13:24<warripei>i think, but just a minute
13:24<Valtiel-ASD>i think
13:24<warripei>yes, it is vfat (is mounted automatically)
13:24<cahoot>warripei: aptitude show testdisk
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13:25<warripei>It is not installed
13:26<cahoot>seems to me it might be useful
13:26<warripei>I am installing this package
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13:27<nozone>how can i tell the version of a module/drive i have on my computer?
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13:28<Arrow>Hi there ! can´t compile get the error mysql headers not found, seems not to have any mysql headers, how to install ?
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13:30<nozone>cahoot: -bash: /sbin/modinfo: cannot execute binary file
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13:31<Arrow>any idea how to install the mysqlheaders ? anyone ?
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13:31<cahoot>nozone: works on modules
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13:32<warripei>Hello again!
13:32<warripei>The structure is OK.
13:33<warripei>I have used the utility to copy the file but
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13:34<warripei>I can not open the file (jpeg file)
13:34<cahoot>your weddingphotos gone?
13:34<fxiny>Arrow: apt-cache show libmysqlclient15-dev
13:34<warripei>Message: "mproper call to JPEG library in state 201"
13:34<And1>Hey folks, I can't load https sites in iceweasel 3: (Error code: sec_error_expired_issuer_certificate)
13:35<warripei>no, not wedding photos, holidays photos and my
13:35<fxiny>one more lame mozilla warning ?
13:35<warripei>credibility in linux system at home!
13:35<servidor>hello, evybare!!!!!!!!!
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13:37<Arrow>fxiny does libmysqlclient15-dev contain the headers ?
13:37<warripei>Does anyone used "magicrescue"
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13:38<fxiny>Arrow: i think so
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13:38<Arrow>after searching the google it seems like i need to go down to version 12
13:38<fxiny>Arrow: you can read apt-cache show
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13:39<Arrow>seems like my source.list are damaged after all my tests
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13:39<fxiny>And1: sounds like a warning , you sure is expired ?
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13:39<And1>fxiny: I don't know what should be expired... =/
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13:40<independent>hei im online
13:40<fxiny>And1: i know mozilla lamely wants users to press some button , look again
13:40<And1>fxiny: Seems I have the same problem in galeon.
13:41<independent>i have question what's better linux for home use
13:41<fxiny>And1: can you pass me in pvt ( so as not to spam ) the url so i can check it ?
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13:43<craigevil>independent: your in #debian Debian is the best :)
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13:44<fxiny>And1 add the exception , follow the provided link , untick "permanently"
13:44<fxiny>is just a warning
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13:46<And1>fxiny: Ok, thanks. :)
13:47<Arrow>fxiny back, I have libmysqlclient15-dev installed since before, but the mysql headers is not included
13:47<fxiny>independent: but if you join #somewhere_else , debian is still the best ;)
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13:47<fxiny>Arrow: ... This package includes development libraries and header files ...
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13:50<fxiny>Arrow: check /usr/include/mysql
13:50<fxiny>should be there
13:52<fxiny>Arrow: maybe you are looking in /usr/local
13:52<fxiny>Arrow: np
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13:53<fxiny>And1: np
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13:56<independent>tcp attack
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14:02<warripei>I got it!
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14:02<warripei>I've used magicrescue with jpegtran and I've got my photos
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14:03<warripei>(and the credibility about linux)
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14:04<warripei>thanks for u help cathoot!
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14:04<warripei>thanks at all and bye!
14:04<cahoot>seems you done it yourself ;)
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14:47<Woet>is it possible to let debian download every file from a FTP server?
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14:51<Woet>got it
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14:51<abrotman>instead of what?
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14:59<Woet>When I download all my files (mget *) with ftp, it keeps asking questions at each file and directory. How to make it assume yes for everything? (I tried -f)
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15:05<Woet>I tried verbose
15:05<Woet>my bad
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15:08<Woet>ehnvis: could I also enable it to go into directories and download all files/directories in there?
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15:09<ehnvis>then you have to use wget instead.
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15:10<Woet>ehnvis: .. with FTP?
15:10<ehnvis>yes, man wget
15:10<ehnvis>and you will see it supports ftp as well..
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15:13<Woet>ehnvis: how would I make it download everything on there?
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15:14<ehnvis>sorry cant help ya with that
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15:15<plazzmex>people. I've installed debian but it doesn't asked me for entering root pass during the installation cause i chosed the option to create a standard user
15:15<plazzmex>now, what is my eoot pass ?
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15:17<stephim>did you install debian or ubuntu?
15:18<plazzmex>when i'm calling something like sudo aptitude install ***** it asks me for password then i'm entering my user account pass and its ok but some progs ask me for real root pass and when i'm entering this it says that its wrong
15:18<stephim>so weird !!
15:18<blal>Looking for advice for setting us up the wireless card as an AP. I'm serving DHCP leases all right, now I want to forward DNS communication. What should I do?
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15:18<plazzmex>stephim: but did you understood what i'm trying to say ?
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15:19<blal>I'd like to avoid running a name server daemon and simply forward requests and responses to my AP's (aka my linux box's) name server.
15:19<cahoot>plazzmex: start debian in single user mode and set a root pw
15:19<stephim>yes i think
15:19<plazzmex>there is some tutorial on how to do that ?
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15:20<shze>how can I start x in gdb? "gdb startx" doesn't work, it's a script.
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15:22<b52ub>hi anybody using lxpanel ?
15:22<blal>shze : Sounds painful. Ultimately, startx just runs X after doing lots of command line argument parsing... so copy & hack the script startx to say "gdb X blablabla" instead of "X blablabla".
15:22<plazzmex>cahoot: thanks
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15:22<Agent_bob>does debian etch's su and ubuntu dapper's su work differently for some reason ?
15:23<shze>blal: so no chance to avoid doing all the script work by hand?
15:23<blal>shze : xinit, even.
15:23<blal>shze : no, no. "cp `which startx` ~/my_startx"
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15:24<shze>blal: xinit works like failsafe, and because it doesnt use compositing x doesnt crash
15:24<blal>shze : then "vim ~/my_startx" then go near the end (half a screen or so up from the last line and change "xinit $client $clientargs -- $server $display $serverargs" to "gdb xinit $client $clientargs -- $server $display $serverargs".
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15:25<blal>shze : I'm throwing around lots of commands. Did all that make sense?
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15:27<shze>blal: yeah, changing startx script make a lot of sense, I'm trying it, just need to modify it ;)
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15:28<chealer>Agent_bob: ask #linux or #ubuntu
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15:32<shze>blal: arrgh, gdb doesn't like all the patameters on the command line. I tried printing the command that startx executes, run gdb xinit and then run , but somehow it hangs, I just get the gray background pattern, but no kde
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15:34<shze>shze: switch to vt doesn't work anymore, killing x remotely gives garbles screen and still no mouse/keyb..
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15:35<Agent_bob>chealer if i go asking why debian wont work in #ubuntu what do you expect them to say ?
15:36<chealer>Agent_bob: presumably Debian support is offtopic on #ubuntu
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15:40<shze>how do I get the pid of the last command in bash? "$!"?
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15:42<Agent_bob>name is $_
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15:42<Agent_bob>err wait. you mean previous command pid ?
15:43<shze>Agent_bob: yeah, and $! works :)
15:43<musiop>what is this channel about ?
15:43<Agent_bob>musiop /topic
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15:46<chealer>musiop: /msg chanserv info #debian
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15:53<brooke464174>where can I get help downloading java on ubuntu?
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15:54<cahoot>try #ubuntu on
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15:55<Agent_bob>bah this is crazy the --display var doesn't work
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16:03<Agent_bob>hmmm but exporting DISPLAY=':0' in my /etc/profile i can get it to work, but only half way i.e. it's limited to display 0 ;/
16:03<Agent_bob>oh well one gui is enough i guess.
16:03<Agent_bob>seeing that i normally don't use any
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16:22<mincepie>good evening. I seem to have removed the package that contains the system->administration->printers program, and I suddenly find myself in possession of a printer. can anyone tell me what its name was?
16:22<cahoot>probaly cups
16:23<wizard>xcuse me, where i can find italian guys to chat here?
16:23<wizard>what kind of room?
16:23<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:23<wizard>where i can find #debian-it?
16:24<mincepie>which of the 33 packages with CUPS in the name, cahoot? ¬.¬
16:24<Dracie> hi how do i disable nautilius or gnome-settings daemon from drawing the desktop
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16:24<stephim>wizard here just join the channel #debian-it
16:24<DeepDayze>janoff: you looking for me?
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16:25<wizard>got it, thx ;)
16:26<dpkg>cups is probably a printing system available at or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
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16:28<jeff008>good evening, i would like to part my hard disk 250 Go for a server etch.I use netinstall... i would like a part [ /boot primary 200 Mo ext3 bootable] and the rest with lvm2.So is partman can do it ? there is an option use all disk with lvm Is there any one for help me?
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16:42<jrabbit>hey anyone know why java would be spawned by sshd/bash ?
16:42<jrabbit>during boot
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16:47<mincepie>cahoot: it turned out to be foomatic-gui
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16:58<dondelelcaro>jrabbit: it sure looks like someone logged in to the machine and spawned it; otherwise there'd be no point
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17:01<jrabbit>no it was from start up
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17:01<jrabbit>i don't think i logged in but I mgiht of even then noting was run
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17:03<jrabbit>dondelelcaro: is there a good way to tell my server to be headless?
17:04<jrabbit>I still run gui apps sometiems via x11forwardign so removing gnome isn't a great idea
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17:10<dondelelcaro>jrabbit: so don't install an X server
17:12<chaoticmass>Weird Problem: On a Debian Sarge box at work a certain site is giving a read error and won't connect, but a windows box connects just fine. I tried my Debian Etch laptop at work and the site pulls up. How can I figure out whats keeping the Debian Sarge box from reading the site?
17:13<jrabbit>well i used it as a gui box for a bit then decided it did beter as a server but i found an article
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17:14<jrabbit>chaoticmass: is this liek a firefox issue or is there some other software involved?
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17:14<chaoticmass>jrabbit : thanks for responding. I've tried it with different browsers, even Elinks and wget fail.
17:15<valdyn>chaoticmass: compare the network traffic
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17:15<chaoticmass>valdyn : what's a good tool to use for that? netcat or something?
17:15<valdyn>chaoticmass: every now and then linux had to (re)intruduce bugs to avoid issues with broken peers into networking stack
17:16<valdyn>chaoticmass: or tcpdump or wireshark
17:16<chaoticmass>the problem is the Sarge box is a web filtering proxy used here at work. It's keeping firewalled clients from being able to access this site that we unfortunately need to be able to access
17:17<valdyn>chaoticmass: try different clients too, like a wget
17:17<valdyn>chaoticmass: ops, nm, you alread tried that..
17:17<chaoticmass>valdyn : yeah I said above I tried wget. It fails with a read error
17:18<chaoticmass>Is there a way to upgrade the network stack on the box without upgrading to Etch?
17:18<valdyn>chaoticmass: sure
17:18<valdyn>chaoticmass: different kernel
17:19<valdyn>chaoticmass: should have some i guess
17:19<donaldo>run as the surround sound on a toshiba x205 ubuntu 8.10, somebody help me please
17:19<jrabbit>the best way would be to upgrade to etch but backport will do
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17:19<stew>chaoticmass: why wouldnt' you want to upgrade to etch?
17:19<valdyn>donaldo: wrong channel
17:19<stew>donaldo: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu
17:19<chaoticmass>afraid to try an upgrade on a production system
17:19<jrabbit>it's not bad
17:19<stew>chaoticmass: aren't you also afraid of running an os with known security problems that nobody is fixing?
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17:20<jrabbit>might cause minor down time though, why not use this as a reason to do it?
17:20<chaoticmass>yeah may need to just do that
17:20<donaldo>I have not thought that in response debian could help
17:20<stew>donaldo: sorry, ubuntu questions are off-topic here, #ubuntu should be able to help, or try a ubuntu web forum / mailing list
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17:21<chaoticmass>so do we think my problem must just be networking stack then? Makes sense, I was going nuts looking for other explanations.
17:22<valdyn>chaoticmass: its just a guess
17:22<valdyn>chaoticmass: trying a different kernel is easy too if you can schedule 5 minute downtime
17:22<chaoticmass>the site in question is if anyone wants to test it on their boxes. Its a crappy deal they use here to send out email newsletters.
17:23<chaoticmass>let me see what kernel is currently being used..
17:23<donaldo>Change good question as to run the surround a toshiba x205 with alc268 Realtek sound card, any idea?
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17:24<amjad_>hi all
17:25<amjad_>I am compling driver for broadcom nic and receive this error
17:25<amjad_>any idea why is that?
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17:26<valdyn>chaoticmass: thats an etch kernel uh?
17:26<stephim>amjad- where is the error?
17:26<valdyn>chaoticmass: err, lenny?
17:27<chaoticmass>valdyn: I don't see how it could be a lenny kernel
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17:27<chaoticmass>valdyn: /etc/apt/sources.list shows its pulling from the sarge repos
17:28<valdyn>chaoticmass: i dont know where else you have that .27 kernel then
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17:29<chaoticmass>apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.27 shows lots of kernels in the sarge repo
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17:30<chaoticmass>but if .27 denotes some kind of testing kernel or something it might explain my problem
17:30<jrabbit>why are you on 2.4
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17:31<jrabbit>left. in. the. dyst.
17:31<chaoticmass>jrabbit : I don't see any reason why it needs to be 2.4. I think I might upgrade it to 2.6 when I get a chance
17:32<jrabbit>you're reconfiging enough it's worth upgrading to a supported version
17:33<chaoticmass>jrabbit : maybe I'll practice doing a few dist upgrades before I try it on an important machine. I've switched kernels plenty of times, it's easy, I'm familiar with it, and I can easily undo it. Version upgrades-- never done it before.
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17:34<jrabbit>allright :)
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17:36<chaoticmass>Alright, well at least now I have an idea and something new to try. I didn't realise this machine wa susing such a crusty old kernel
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17:49<amjad_>I am compling driver for broadcom nic and receive this error
17:49<amjad_>any idea why is that?
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18:04<chealer>amjad_: that's not an error
18:04<amjad_>what does that mean
18:04<amjad_>it wont build
18:06<amjad_>I get this one after that
18:06<amjad_>error: redefinition of typedef ‘__le32’
18:06<amjad_>include/linux/types.h:171: error: previous declaration of ‘__le32’ was here
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18:06<amjad_>/home/asaleem/bnx2/bnx2-1.7.6b/src/bnx2.h:135: error: redefinition of typedef ‘__be32’
18:06<amjad_>include/linux/types.h:172: error: previous declaration of ‘__be32’ was here
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18:07<amjad_>make[2]: *** [/home/asaleem/bnx2/bnx2-1.7.6b/src/bnx2.o] Error 1
18:07<amjad_>make[1]: *** [_module_/home/asaleem/bnx2/bnx2-1.7.6b/src] Error 2
18:07<amjad_>Any idea? what is wrong
18:11<RedLance>I'm having trouble with my mgetty, my pastebin is here: Could someone take a look please?
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18:19<aetheria>amjad_: are you using module-assistant to build it?
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18:21<amjad_>aetheria, actually I am following
18:22<aetheria>RedLance: can you query the modem with something like minicom?
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18:23<amjad_>when I do make for bnx2 compile, I receive these errors
18:23<RedLance>aetheria: No, I do not have X installed
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18:23<aetheria>RedLance: for example, turn local echo on and send an ATI3 string to it?
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18:24<aetheria>amjad_: i don't care. are you using m-a or not?
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18:24<aetheria>i suggest using it as whatever version of the source would probably have been tested against the debian kernel you're building it against
18:25<chealer>amjad_: which Debian suite do you use?
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18:25<aetheria>RedLance: since when did it require X?
18:25<amjad_>chealer, its debian etch
18:26<chealer>amjad_: which NIC do you use?
18:26<RedLance>aetheria: Isn't minicom a graphical program?
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18:26<amjad_>chealer, Broadcom
18:26<aetheria>RedLance: its curses based
18:26<chealer>amjad_: which Broadcom chipset does your NIC use?
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18:26<RedLance>aet Lemme try it then
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18:27<amjad_>chealer, Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 12)
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18:31<the-me>amjad_, why are you trying to compile the kernel for yourself?
18:31<the-me>or better: the module
18:31<RedLance>aetheria: Hmmm, ATI3 seems to do nothing...
18:32<amjad_>the-me, I am not compiling the kernel, I am trying to compile the driver for broadcom
18:32<the-me>amjad_, why?
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18:32<amjad_>the-me, it does not support bridge in xen
18:32<aetheria>RedLance: put local echo on
18:33<amjad_>the-me, the solution is the updated driver
18:33<RedLance>aetheria: Yeah, I got local echo on
18:33<the-me>amjad_, which is just api incompatible with your kernel
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18:34<amjad_>the-me, what does that mean?
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18:35<the-me>amjad_, that this driver version is not made to build and used against the application programming interface of your used kernel version
18:36<the-me>it may need an older/newer/another version.
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18:36*the-me wonders, bridging is a part of the nic driver itself?
18:36<the-me>I do not beliebe so.
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18:38<aetheria>RedLance: maybe you need to send an initizialization string to it first?
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18:50<aetheria>amjad_: i don't know if there is a debian module source package for that in etch or not
18:50<aetheria>did chealer say?
18:50<amjad_>aetheria, there is not
18:51<amjad_>If run make while regular kernel is loaded, it works fin
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18:51<amjad_>bu when I boot xen kernel and do that, it gives me error
18:51<aetheria>xen sucks.
18:51<aetheria>use kvm instead
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18:52<amjad_>I am not sure if I have to follow the instructions with which kernel
18:52<aetheria>does your cpu support virtualization?
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18:53<aetheria>anyhow, i have to log off. good luck.
18:54<aetheria>RedLance: don't know what to say. are you even connecting to the correct device? does it show up in dmesg? are the perms correct?
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18:54<RedLance>aetheria: That's what I'm checking on now...
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19:01<rider>hablan español?
19:01<dpkg>i heard sp is troubled: you stats pimp!
19:02<rider>somebody speak spanish?
19:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:02<rider>it's my first time in linux xubuntu
19:03<rider>i need some help
19:03<jaldo>que te pasa?
19:03<rider>en español
19:03<rider>estoy usando la version 8.10
19:04<rider>y no puedo instalar una actualizacion
19:04<rider>una imagen del kernal
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19:04<rider>ya le pude instalar el video (nvidia)
19:04<rider>el audio
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19:04<rider>pero esta actualizacion no se puede
19:05<g-unot>im trying to use my usb wireless card
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19:05<g-unot>and i cant seem to get it to work with 4.0
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19:05<g-unot>works fine on other linux distros right out of the box
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19:06<stew>rider: you want to use #ubuntu-es on for help with ubuntu in spanish
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19:07<rider>i don't know how do it
19:07<rider>change of chanel
19:08<teste>rider, /server -m
19:08<teste>rider, /joint #ubuntu-es
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19:16<g-unot>does anybody here use debian with a usb wifi card
19:17<jnjb>g-unot, not for me sorry
19:21<g-unot>well maybe u can help me with something
19:21<g-unot>i think i found the right driver
19:21<g-unot>but i get this error when compiling
19:21<g-unot>make -C /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/build M=`pwd` modules
19:21<g-unot>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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19:29<jnjb>your on etch
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19:30<jnjb>it mean more than one year i havent use etch
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19:38<Dan>hola alguien me puede decir como instalar wine en ubuntu 8.4
19:43<adema>aptitude install wine
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19:45<gf>anybody chinese here?
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19:46<gf>could u tell me what happened with debian source in china like cn99
19:46<g-unot>oh im not from china
19:46<g-unot>but im chinese
19:48<jnjb>gf it can be perhaps an debian chinese chanel
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19:52<gf>chinese chanel? don't understand
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19:53<gf>anybody in china here? can you tell why?
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20:09<hensons>anyone else had trouble with sleep? my laptop goes to a blinking cursor, and i have to power it off--then back on
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20:20<gf>ÓÐÔÚÖйú¹úÄÚʹÓÃdebian Ô´ µÄô£¿
20:21<gf>°²×° ¡¢ Á¬½Ó¡¢¸üж¼ÓÐÎÊÌâ
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20:29<diego>lets say 'cat numbers.txt' prints a lot of numbers (one per line)
20:29<diego>is there any nice linux command
20:29<diego>to compute the sum
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20:34<mahogny>you do the tricks with dc I guess
20:34<mahogny>in this case maybe with sed
20:37<creeed>can someone help me please to boot my debian again after installing windows on it?
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20:39<creeed>I never used the rescue mode before? does somebody have a good wiki for this?
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20:42<Ananth123>creeed: dont know about rescue mode... but you can just start the installer ... and goto the install grub part.......that could help you boot back into debian
20:42<Ananth123>or just use a livecd and install grub
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20:56<jla>I'm using postfix/procmail on etch and for all users with a .procmailrc, postfix says it delivers to /usr/bin/procmail, for those without it says it delivers to procmail -a "$EXTENSION"; With this difference all users with .procmailrc keep using procmail when I try to insert dspam in the chain.
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21:41<BobBobson>IS there any good reason that a kernel would crash running vmware over it?
21:41<BobBobson>I've been trying to trace the crash remotely and am having no luck
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23:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
23:13<abrotman>ask a real question
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23:43<BobBobson>Hey is there a way to proxy-dhcp requests so they don't goto the authoritive dhcp server
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23:45<abrotman>you mean intercept them on your network ?
23:46<BobBobson>Well I need to find a way to create some ips for vmware to use
23:46<abrotman>but you don't want vmware to get them from the bridged network ?
23:46<BobBobson>Cause I don't control the ARP table
23:47<BobBobson>I want them assigned specific ips
23:47<abrotman>IIRC vmware only does bridge or NAT .. if you do NAT, the vmware system will give it an IP
23:48<BobBobson>but its a local network
23:48<BobBobson>i wanted to assign it a remote one
23:49<BobBobson>Is that possible?
23:50<abrotman>there is also a #vmware on
23:50<abrotman>so you want the VM to have an external IP from your original NATed network, and also NAT it on the vmware host ?
23:50<BobBobson>could i just do that with routing?
23:51<BobBobson>I mean I wish they could bridge the virtual interfaces
23:51<BobBobson>That would be a godsend
23:52<abrotman>uhm, i'm not familiar enough with the NAT system in vmware (hence the #vmware) .. i'd hope it could do that
23:52<abrotman>i've only used the bridged method
23:52<BobBobson>that just steals my ip
23:52<BobBobson>of the linux host
23:53<abrotman>that doesn't make sense
23:53<BobBobson>because the dynamic arp table, knows my mac for only one address to assign, and the rest as allowed
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