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00:05<Kdas>ok who wants to hear my sad tale? Does any one know how to get my old wireless drivers back ? i tried being cool and installing newest iwl4965 drivers and instead screwed up and ideas?
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00:07<Kdas>dead channel tonight :(
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02:21<kingsley>Is there an audio server, like oss, alsa, etc..., that can be installed on two computers, so that any sound played on one is promptly also played on the second?
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02:25<dondelelcaro>kingsley: nas probably can do that, but I've never tried
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04:30<EmleyMoor>I have a laptop with a trojan on its Windows filesystem. I also have Debian on it. I do not have the right details to log in when in Safe Mode. Is there anything I could do from Debian to either fix the password or make a change to the registry?
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04:35<craigevil>if you have ntfs-3g and clam you can try scanning the windows partition
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04:35<craigevil>or get ultimatebootcd and fix the windows password
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04:39<EmleyMoor>craigevil: Not sure clam will know, but it's certainly worth a try - any other advice meanwhile would be much appreciated
04:40<EmleyMoor>Yes, another option if I can find a blank
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04:41<craigevil>ultimatebootcd has AV tools, if nothing else it will let you fix the password, clam might just find it, the virii data base is for windows, not sure if that includes trojans
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04:49<EmleyMoor>Got a blank - as well as the other stuff which I intend te try first
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04:51<EmleyMoor>Got a clamscan running
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05:12<enouf>EmleyMoor: can you boot into normal mode? then Registry Dive ;-)
05:13<enouf>EmleyMoor: or boot the Xpoop CD and enter Recovery Console .. then do the nasty ;-)
05:13<enouf>how can you not login in safemode though?
05:14<enouf>bah - see ##windows on freenode or something - i manually will beat/pummel/torcher windows if it even thinks about not cooperating ;-)
05:14<enouf>er torture :-P
05:15<lethalduck>It's tortuous enough just using windows
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05:15<enouf>dead duck? :-)
05:16<lethalduck>not yet
05:16<lethalduck>mite be after another bottle of whiskey
05:17<enouf>lethalduck: go easy .. still got some hours before the balls drop :-P
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05:18<lethalduck>not I
05:18<lethalduck>only 40 min left
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05:21<enouf>lethalduck: ahh, an aussie? are the sheep safe? ;-)
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05:21<enouf>(or a NZ'er)
05:21<enouf>nope - Brisbane :-)
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05:25<lethalduck>Rather be in Brissy though
05:25<lethalduck>much warmer there and lots of Linux jobs
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05:30<fxiny>enouf: i heard aussies in 2009 won't be allowed drinking anymore , or was it surfing ? or rather "rafting" ? :P
05:30<fxiny>lethalduck: ;P
05:31<fxiny>wt4x !
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05:31<fxiny>lethalduck: i'll have all green canned vb ;P
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05:32<lethalduck>Not many linux jobs in NZ :-(===
05:32<fxiny>nz ?
05:32<fxiny>i see
05:34<lethalduck>fxiny.... No thank you... none of that weasels
05:34<enouf>fxiny: wt4x?!!
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05:34<enouf>fxiny: no more white-water rapiding? :-P
05:38<fxiny>enouf: no fun , lethalduck's from nz
05:38<fxiny>is safe ;P
05:38<lethalduck>safe as houses mate
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05:50<evanbd>Hello, I'm having trouble with graphics drivers for my radeon.
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05:51<evanbd>So, silly question first: lspci|grep VGA -> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]
05:51<evanbd>I should be using the radeonhd driver, right?
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05:54<dpkg>hmm... radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets ( Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. #radeonhd @ For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>.
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05:56<evanbd>So is that a yes?
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05:59<Xtigyro>Hi, folks ! Would tell me how to update a package to its experimental version ?
06:00<Xtigyro>I've already added the experimental repositories!
06:00<beer>add the experimental repo, the write aptitude -t expimental install package
06:00<beer>btw you should have unstbale as well
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06:04<EmleyMoor>Do a simple sid backport using experimental instead of sid
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06:04<EmleyMoor>(if you need to backport)
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06:05<EmleyMoor>You won't need to if you are on sid
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06:14<evanbd>enouf: #radeonhd on freenode appears to be asleep, so if you are willing / able to offer help here, it would be appreciated :)
06:16<beer>what is the problem?
06:17<evanbd>xine output is garbled and DRI is off
06:17<beer>sry this is over my head
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06:18<evanbd>I'm not actually convinced it's properly loaded at all, for that matter
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06:18<enouf>evanbd: grep radeon /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:19<evanbd>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg produces a nearly xorg.conf, so I'm using a modified backup version :/
06:19<enouf>evanbd: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. then leave out the keys/mouse
06:19<evanbd>nearly empty, that is
06:19<enouf>evanbd: cat /etc/debian_version
06:20<evanbd>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
06:20<enouf>so far .. good ...
06:20<enouf>hrm, you'll want/need the Lenny X Server stuffs, i would think - consider dist-upgrading to Lenny
06:21<enouf>evanbd: tried #radeon over there?
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06:21<enouf>!wb amphi :-)
06:21<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! amphi :-) has returned!
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06:22<evanbd>I'm running testing packages for graphics stuff... I could upgrade the whole distro if that would help, but I'd prefer not to.
06:22<enouf>evanbd: note, in Lenny, the drxx doesn't work, as X is now autoconfigured - works well mostly, but sometimes you need to tweak/add things to your now barren xorg.conf, so hold onto your old one
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06:23<enouf>man xorg.conf, install xrandr and get to know it
06:23<evanbd>Yes, I've made the mistake of being without a backup x config before :)
06:23<enouf>evanbd: dpkg -l libc6
06:23<enouf>well .. you're not on 4.0 anymore :-P
06:24<enouf>judd: versions libc6
06:24<judd>enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-1
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06:24<evanbd>Fair enough :)
06:25<enouf>evanbd: have you tried mplayer? or vlc? /msg dpkg dmm
06:25<evanbd>mplayer works, but I hate it :)
06:25<enouf>evanbd: the dri being disabled might be as simple as support for it for your card isn't yet avail through the FOSS Xorg radeon{hd} driver yet
06:26<enouf>!radeon vs radeonhd
06:26<dpkg><radeon> project started under non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, second project, <radeonhd> started (from scratch) with focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at:
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06:26<evanbd>I would hate it less if I could figure out how to get it to fullscreen and resize to fit... but I like my video player to have buttons I can click on :D
06:27<enouf>i mean, it's possible the newest xorg in git repos might have it .. but you'd have to ask (#radeon, #radeonhd) for sure
06:27<enouf>click on? FFS - hit the f key!
06:27<evanbd>Did that; it fullscreens, but doesn't resize to use the whole screen.
06:27<enouf>man mplayer - or use gmplayer
06:28<evanbd>That was my reaction as well :)
06:28<enouf>learn how to make a custom ~/.mplayer/config
06:28<evanbd>That sounds suspiciously like work :)
06:28<enouf>see #mplayer on freenode - though they'll want you to build from their svn/git repos
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06:29<enouf>evanbd: copy the template from /etc/mplayer/*
06:29<evanbd>Yeah, that was my recollection. I'd prefer to stick to deb packages in general.
06:29<evanbd>Hmm, I'll try that, but I'd still like xine to work :)
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06:34<enouf>huh, they are deb pkgs, just unofficial, still recommended - anyways, might need DisplaySize option set in xorg.conf, as well as Vert/Hor refresh rate ranges
06:34<craigevil>smplayer is nice for watching dvds
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06:35<evanbd>Oh, I don't mind unofficial debs as long as they're maintained; it was building from source that I want to avoid.
06:36<evanbd>OK, copying /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf to ~/.mplayer/config made resize work
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06:37<evanbd>(I'm now back on the regular radeon driver)
06:37<beer> have some of you people tried to run kde 4 on a mashine with 2 screens and with one X on each screen?
06:37<beer> last time I tried to install kde 4 (4.1 beta 2) the 2. screen was bugged so it was useless, and this bug is the only bug keeping my away from kde 4
06:38<craigevil>beer: try kde4.2
06:39<enouf>how about 3.5.9
06:39<evanbd>Hmm. I suppose I might as well dist-upgrade to Lenny while I'm messing with things.
06:39<beer>I would gladly use kde 4, but it that bug is still pressent I prefere kde 3.5
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06:40<beer>if the bug is still pressent it is some work, just to released that it is bether to use kde 3.5
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06:51<Xtigyro>dpkg factoid "simple sid backport"
06:51<dpkg>Xtigyro: wish i knew
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06:54<enouf>!simple sid backport
06:54<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
06:54<enouf>Xtigyro: ^^^^^^
06:54<enouf>!+tell Xtigyro -about msgthebot
06:54<dpkg>told Xtigyro about msgthebot.
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06:59<automi>hi all!
06:59<ferdinant>hi :)
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07:25<cristian>Hola a todos
07:25<cristian>que tal?
07:25<simonrvn>not much
07:26<simonrvn>quiet as hell here
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07:27<mgoetze>everyone is over on the other network in #freenode-newyears
07:28<simonrvn>that's why i stay away
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07:50<lethalduck>Is there a difference between SSH tunneling and just plain SSH'ing?
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07:53<mahogny>lethalduck, totally different things
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07:53<lethalduck>Ok... That's what I thought... are you aware of any decent resources on the differences?
07:54<mahogny>they are so different that you won't find the two things explained on one page :)
07:54<mahogny>tunneling=forwarding packets. ssh=remote terminal
07:54<amphi>there must be loads of 'ssh tunneling' tutorials on the tubes
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07:55<lethalduck>ah.... redirecting?
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07:56<lethalduck>mahogny: so tunneling is just another hop?
07:56<Guest202>Hi, Im totally new to debian, and Im trying to install some software, like firefox and Virtualbox. where can I find repositories so I can add software?
07:56<lethalduck>cool, cheers :-)
07:57<mahogny>Guest1839, you should have them already if you installed it normally. look for synaptic in your menus
07:57<beer>firefox does not exist in the debian world. Use iceweasel instead
07:57<lethalduck>firefox (iceweasel) should already be installed
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07:57<gsimmons>!tell Guest202 -about virtualbox
07:58<Guest202>I installed from the cd, not the dvd. I didnt have synaptic by default, but added that. I cant seem to find firefox though. or at least its not the one I remembered.
07:58<beer>and virtualbox is only pressent in testing/lenny or new'er
07:58<Guest202>Oh, I am using "testing"
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07:59<beer>you can get the command lince and write: apt-get install iceweasl virtualbox and you will have them
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08:00<Guest202>beer: Oh, Iceweasl, is what I have. It looks so plain and striped down. what happened to the fox, and fancy looking interface?
08:00<beer>with virtualbox you shoudl also have the propiated modukes (maybe virtualbox-onse-modules-2.6-686
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08:01<beer>debian does not like mozillas licens for the name firefox and logo so they removed it and caleld it iceweasel
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08:01<Guest202>so iceweasl is the real deal firefox, just with new name and logo?
08:02<beer>debian is about "free", and if it is not "free", they will remove ut
08:02<Guest202>do you know what is was about firefox that they did not like?
08:03<mahogny>trademark crap
08:03<beer>with virtualbox you should add "vboxdrv" to /etc/modules so the kernel image will be loaded on boot
08:03<fxiny>the icon licence
08:04<beer>personly I think that the Debian dev is walking in to small shoes with all that licens-thing but I have learn to work around it when needed
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08:05<Guest202>beer: So is Icewasel the same as firefox? just with a few things removed? because it looks so teribly, lol.
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08:06<craigevil>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
08:06<beer>guest202: yes they are the same exept the name and icon
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08:07<Guest202>creyon_: thank you.
08:07<beer>does iceweasel reaky look that bad? Not used it for a longtime. Normal I am using konq
08:07<mgoetze>afaik mozilla didn't revoke the license, the point is that under the license they could prevent debian from updating the software if they wanted too
08:07<Guest202>beer: then i am going to have to figure out why it looks so terrible, lol
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08:07<fxiny>Guest202: mozilla default theme is terrible , you can install any themes you want . btw iceweasel icon is cute
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08:10<beer>have some of you tried to install debian on the freerunner?
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08:28<Guest202>Im really liking this distro, its so much faster then otheres I have used. :) cheeres to the debian crew.
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08:33<Rizha>helooo everybody... my operating system is debian. when i install windows. where boot loader for choice debian
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08:34<Rizha>how to fix the problem...
08:34<Rizha>please help
08:35<reneger>Rizha: boot with an live cd like knoppix or whatever and reinstall your grub/lilo
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08:37<Guest202>Whicjh repo can I find the package "nvidia-kernel-common"
08:38<gsimmons>!tell Guest202 -about contrib
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08:41<Rizha>im affraid my linux will dissapear if i install windows
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08:41<Rizha>my linux is debian lenny distribution
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08:42<Rizha>i have't linux live cd like XFCE or anythink
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08:43<lethalduck>Guest202: non-free?
08:44<Guest202>lethalduck: Yeah, non-free. im checking into it roght now from what someone already posted. Just trying to figure out what and where to add the repos, lol
08:45<mgoetze>Guest202: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib non-free" after "main"
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08:46<enouf>!+tell Rizha about rescue mode
08:46<dpkg>told Rizha about rescue mode (Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
08:46<lethalduck>Guest202: /etc/apt/sources.list
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08:48<lethalduck>Guest202: add something like this... deb ftp://<your local repo here>/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib
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08:49<Rizha>ok thanks every body that info verry helpful
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08:56<david_>Is there a way to turn off the case speaker when hitting the "tab" key from inside the terminal prompt?
08:56<cahoot>setterm b off?
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08:57<cahoot>err setterm -blength
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08:58<david>Im sorry, I had to log out, my compiz froze me up, what did you type about getting rid of the speaker beep?
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08:59<cahoot>xset b off and/or setterm -blength
09:00<ranix>I'm trying to compile and run a program for a library I manually installed via make/make install. The shared object files (.so.1) are now located in ./usr/local/lib/ but when I run a program compiled with the .h files of the library, I get the error: ./initvideosdl: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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09:00<ranix>Must I add /usr/local/lib/ to a path, instead of only /usr/lib/ ?
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09:05<jeff008>hello, i would like to know how to part my hard disk 250 Go, with netinstall... like /boot 250 Go primary ext3 this is for active kernel [grub], a part swap 2 go,/ 10 Go primary ext3 and the rest of ressource with lvm2 maybe crypt /usr /home /var /srv ... Can u help me ? This is for new etc-server
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09:09<mgoetze>jeff008: the debian-installer has a guided partitioning mode
09:10<ranix>Solved my own problem with ldconfig
09:10<ranix>thanks anyway doods
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09:12<jeff008>ok mgoetze, i ve two solution manuel or guided
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09:14<jeff008>if manual part i've no vml
09:14<jeff008>or guided and all disk is vml
09:14<jeff008>i vo
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09:14<jeff008>would like 3 OR 4 parts
09:16<jeff008>boot - swap - / - the rest vml
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09:16<tzafrir_laptop>Is there a way to start either synamtic or aptitude with just a very small subset of the packages available for selection?
09:16<jeff008>is it possible?
09:17<tzafrir_laptop>e.g. to use this as a user interface for optionally installing one of those packages
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09:17<tzafrir_laptop>I recall that the debian installer used something similar in the past (limiting by tasks)
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09:18<tzafrir_laptop>But I can't find the command-line option to do that
09:19<tzafrir_laptop>jeff008, "vml" == LVM?
09:20<tzafrir_laptop>What do you want to put there?
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09:23<tzafrir_laptop>Generally in the installaer: IIRC in the manual you can create an LVM
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09:24<tzafrir_laptop>Basically you need to create a partition to be used for the physical volume (where things will actually be on the disk)
09:24<tzafrir_laptop>and then you'll be able to set up logical (LVM) partitions (volums)
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09:29<david_>Hello, I typed dmesg, and i have a littered with this message:
09:29<david_>[10081.070192] hdb: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
09:29<david_>[10081.070205] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
09:29<david_>[10081.070212] hdb: drive not ready for command
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09:29<koollman>david_: that's a dying hard drive
09:29<abrotman>david_: and what is hdb ?
09:29<koollman>or something quite wrong/unexpected on the device
09:29<david_>abrotman: beats me, lol. the only drives I have connected are sda and sdb
09:30<abrotman>david_: uh? CD drive?
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09:32<abrotman>david_: grep hdb /var/log/dmesg ... towards the top it should tell you what kind of device it is
09:32<koollman>david_: it has to represent a device. or the error would be very different
09:32<david_>Ahh, it is indeed my cd drive
09:32<abrotman>david_: is there a CD in the drive?
09:33<abrotman>is it scratched badly?
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09:33<abrotman>try another CD, see if it continues
09:33<david_>No, its a new Burn, its the debian distro I just instaleld.
09:33<abrotman>bah .. you know that flaky debian distro
09:33<abrotman>erm .. wait
09:34<abrotman>david_: i have seen where changing the dma settings on a device sometimes makes those messages go away
09:34<david_>yeah its doing it with nothing in the drive at all
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09:35<david_>How do I change the dma settings?
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09:38<rutger>Hello, I get a strange error while I boot Ubuntu 8.x amd64/i386 and Debian etch/lenny: "kernel panic - not syncing: CFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown". Could someone help me? Thanks in advance.
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09:41<Stephim>rutger.. which kernel? 2.6.27 ?
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09:44<rutger>2.6.28 i thought
09:45<rutger>I dont know which kernel debian lenny (latest version) uses
09:46<Stephim>rutger when you press the "esc" button at startup.. do you get another kernel to boot ?
09:47<abrotman>lenny has a .26
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09:47<abrotman>rutger: did the filesystem work before?
09:47<Stephim>rutger . to my mind, the initrd line is missing in your menu.lst file
09:47<rutger>Sephim, 1 minute please
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09:48<rutger>Stephim, I use the netinstall disc, but my previous installation (debian etch) on hdd gave also this error
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09:49<Stephim>can you paste your menu.lst file?
09:49<rutger>Sometimes it gives also the following error: "crc error"
09:49<rutger>but I can't even install debian
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09:50<Stephim>'crc error' mean a reading error
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09:51<bobo>is here anyone can help me?
09:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:51<Stephim>i hope bobo :-)
09:52<bobo>i just update my ubuntu from English to Chinese and then the firefox can't open,i wonder why ?thank u all !
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09:53<bobo>sorry for my bad English
09:53<abrotman>bobo: ask #ubuntu on
09:53<mgoetze>bobo: open up a terminal and type in firefox, and look for error messages
09:53<Stephim>bobo , try to launch firefox from a terminal and check the errors
09:54<bobo>oh,there is nothing output :(
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09:55<Stephim>' ps -e | grep firefox' is there a firefox already launching
09:55<abrotman>he should ask the ubuntu people, debian doesn't even distribute the same browser
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09:56<bobo>here still output nothing
09:56<abrotman>bobo: ask #ubuntu on
09:57<bobo>ok,i turn to that chanel ,thank you all the same!
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09:59<rutger>Stephim, when I boot debian etch I get "kernel panic - not syncing: no init found.try passing init= option"
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10:02<mrvn>moin. Can anyone recommend a 3D CAD programm?
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10:02<Stephim>no init found -> it mean that your initrd file is missing.. in your menu.lst , you should have a line ' initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.xx '
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10:03<rutger>I ran it from CD, and have no menu.lst
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10:08<rutger>ubuntu gives the same error "crc error" and then "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown"
10:09<Stephim>rutger , i think your HDD have a problem
10:09<mrvn>Nobody knows a 3D CAD program for debian=
10:09<rutger>but I get the same errors when I boot without anny hdds
10:10<cahoot>mrvn: free and gratis?
10:10<mrvn>gratis a must
10:10<cahoot>mrvn: I doubt there is one
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10:10<cahoot>mrvn: aptitude search cad?
10:11<mrvn>cahoot: nothing usefull
10:12<mrvn>zsh: segmentation fault varicad
10:12<mrvn>so much for not free but gratis software.
10:12<cahoot>mrvn: figured as much - my daughter turned to another os when she needed cad
10:12<abrotman>mrvn: i think only qcad is in debian, and IIRC doesn't do 3d
10:12<mrvn>qcad is 3D only.
10:13<abrotman>if qcad is 3d only .. what's the issue ?
10:13*abrotman thought he meant like house-3d
10:13<abrotman>but there are more at
10:14<mrvn>aeh, 2D only.
10:14<rutger>Stephim, is it possible that i have a broken motherboard?
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10:15<mrvn>Stephim: Looks good. Lets hope it is intuitive to use.
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10:20<Stephim>rutger, either your HDD or your HDD controller or HDD cable or your DVD/CD drive
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10:22<erKURITA>I agree with Stephim
10:22<erKURITA>The motherboard is highly unlikely
10:22<mrvn>** Starting avoCADo **
10:22<mrvn>Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
10:23<mrvn>The Xorg log says it has glx loaded. :(
10:23<erKURITA>mrvn can you run a composite-based application?
10:23<mrvn>erKURITA: like what?
10:23<erKURITA>such as Compiz Fusion or AWN ?
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10:28<mrvn>(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/ failed (/usr/lib/dri/swra
10:28<mrvn> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
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10:28<mrvn>Where do I get that one?
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10:29<erKURITA>have you got mesa-utils installed?
10:30<erKURITA>issue a glxinfo | head -n 10
10:30<erKURITA>and see if it says Direct Rendering: Yes
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10:31<mrvn>GLX missing
10:31<erKURITA>And however, it seems the previous error stated AIGLX, which is something very similar
10:32<erKURITA>which one are you using (or planning to use), GLX or AIGLX ?
10:32<erKURITA>one will work better than the other depending on your card
10:32<erKURITA>video card, that is
10:32<mrvn>I have a Radeon 7500 which used to have hardware 3D.
10:32<erKURITA>it uses AIGLX better than GLX
10:33<erKURITA>Try to get the Direct Rendering back, then try to get AIGLX running
10:33<erKURITA>and then try avoCADo again
10:33<mrvn>Direct Rendering first needs glx.
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10:35<erKURITA>mrvn wrong
10:35<erKURITA>not always
10:36<Padski>I'm looking for an MUA for a user to replace Eudora. Something that can do the taskbar thing that Eudora did would be good. Can thunderbird or evolution help me there ?
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10:37<erKURITA>Padski what did that taskbar do?
10:39<Padski>erKURITA, each item that is openned appears as a button on it, whether that item is a folder or an individual email.
10:39<mrvn>erKURITA: Without the software renderer I can't get the glx extention active and the renderer seems to be in no debian package.
10:40<erKURITA>Padski a screenshot would get, I cannot work with that much abstraction :X
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10:44<automi>Happy new year!
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10:47<mrvn>Ok, problem solved. I need the experimental libgl1-mesa for the experimental Xorg.
10:48<mrvn>Stephim: Have you used avocado?
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11:02<Stephim>sorry never mrvn
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11:06<mrvn>Stephim: seems to only be able to do 2D scetches and then add a hight to them. Far from 3D technical drawing I need.
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12:52<reece>hi, i am having a problem installing debian i get the error Disk error 10 ax=4280 drive ef
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12:58<reece>can anyone help
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12:59<vampiro>come funziona mirc
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13:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:25<nomadium>it looks like Italian to me
13:25<abrotman>hola is spanish
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13:27<nomadium>abrotman: right, i was talking about the previous message
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13:51<macrut>I have an important question
13:52<macrut>Is the Structure of Linux modular or not?
13:52<macrut>I have recently read that it isn't
13:53<blarson>macrut: Depends on what you mean by "the Structure of Linux".
13:53<simonrvn>macrut: be more specific
13:53<macrut>the code
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13:53<macrut>the programation of it
13:53<macrut>sorry for my bad english xD
13:53<simonrvn>which code?
13:53<macrut>the code of the kernel
13:53<macrut>the model of programation
13:53<simonrvn>kernel? user space apps?
13:54<simonrvn>it's a modular kernel yes, but called a macrokernel.
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13:54<simonrvn>vs. say HURD or BSD, which are microkernels.
13:54<paul0>hi, someone here can help me solve my microphone problem? I can't record anything with it
13:55<macrut>monolithic kernels must be modular or not?
13:55<simonrvn>macrut: you can't really define them like you could in earlier times, since the lines have blurred.
13:55<simonrvn>when you say monolithic, you usually mean every module is built-in.
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13:56<simonrvn>many do that for extra security; having everything built-in, and preventing module loading, tightens access to kernel space memory.
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13:58<simonrvn>for more in-depth info i'd suggest wikipedia or some google searching.
13:58<macrut>I was asking because of what i have read on wikipedia
13:58<macrut>spanish version
13:59<rafael_>trying to run googleearth 4.3 in Debian lenny amd64: /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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13:59<simonrvn>macrut: cool
13:59<simonrvn>rafael_: so install it?
13:59<rafael_>i cannot find its package in synaptic
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14:00<rafael_>and why does not googleearth packages depends on that library?
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14:00<themill>rafael_: is a file not a library. apt-file search
14:01<themill>rafael_: did you install google earth using the debian googleearth-package or by downloading it from google?
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14:02<rafael_>i have tried two options with the same result: 1) installing .deb from medibuntu repository, and later using googleearth-package from Debian repository
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14:04<themill>rafael_: medibuntu is not ubuntu so you should ask them about it. Have you checked the BTS for googleearth-package?
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14:04<norbac>Hello ppl, I am using lenny, and I when the computer start I keep getting messages about the opcode error in my second IDE, and I would like to avoid getting those messages at startup them make the startup take more time.
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14:05<norbac>I installed etch first and then upgrated to lenny, with the etch linux-image I don't get those messages
14:05<rafael_>themill not checked
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14:12<norbac>Hello ppl, I am using lenny, and I when the computer start I keep getting messages about the opcode error in my second IDE, and I would like to avoid getting those messages at startup them make the startup take more time. I installed etch first and then upgrated to lenny, with the etch linux-image I don't get those messages, how can I configure lenny to avoid showing those messages?
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14:16<tuxcrafter>how do i use grabKeyboard in a X resources see the man xtightvncviewer
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14:18<mrvn>norbac: do you need the second ide? there is some kernel boot option to disbale an ide port, like something hdb=off
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14:20<rafael_>I linked libgthread library: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/googleearth/
14:20<mrvn>Kalessin2: ja
14:21<rafael_>now new error: /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
14:21<mrvn>you need /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/
14:21<mrvn>doubtfull that you need to link it
14:22<mrvn>apt-get install ia32-libgthread2.0 | ia32-libs-gtk
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14:24<rafael_>yeah, now runs
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14:25<rafael_>but, text arrays and box are missing in googleearth
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14:25<mrvn>rafael_: reported years ago and I believe still not fixed in gtk.
14:26<mrvn>did you get any errors about unloadable plugins?
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14:26<norbac>yes, I would like to have the second IDE.
14:27<norbac>yes, I would like to have the second IDE.
14:27<norbac>oops sorry for the double message (some internet problems)
14:27<EmleyMoor>norbac: Please explain your problem
14:29<norbac>When I start the computer I get opcode error from hdb. I want to avoid getting those messages ... it just happends when I start with lenny kernel ... I first installed etch then upgrated to lenny
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14:29<EmleyMoor>"opcode error" - can you expand n that?
14:30<norbac>[ 4375.847485] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
14:31<rafael_>googleearth package from medibuntu crash with signal 11
14:31<mrvn>rafael_: and seems to have missing Depends.
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14:31<mrvn>norbac: uname -a
14:31<rafael_>package does not appears as broken
14:32<norbac>I get a bunch of error like this
14:32<norbac>[ 30.167890] hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
14:32<norbac>[ 30.167890] hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=341, sector=96
14:32<norbac>[ 30.167890] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
14:32<norbac>[ 30.167890] end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 96
14:32<norbac>[ 30.167890] Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 12
14:32<norbac>[ 34.099309] hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
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14:32<mrvn>norbac: uname -a
14:32<simonrvn>!tell norbac -about paste
14:33<norbac>Linux hostorc 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
14:33<norbac>simonrvn thanks for the info :P
14:34<mrvn>norbac: you could keep the etch kernel or check that the right ide modules are used.
14:34<mrvn>e.g. try ide-generic or disbale it.
14:34<EmleyMoor>mrvn: Might the noprobe option help him?
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14:35<mrvn>not if he wants to use hdb
14:35<EmleyMoor>Ah, right
14:36<norbac>wondering etch doens't do a smart test at startup or why I don't get those error with etch?
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14:36<mrvn>etch differs a lot from lenny
14:36<mrvn>but I would say that is just kernel related
14:36<rafael_>may be trying with PATA drivers..
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14:39<rafael_>how old is your hdb drive?
14:39<chealer>norbac: what is hdb?
14:39<rafael_>how capacity?
14:39<rafael_>yes, what kind of disk is it?
14:39<norbac>it is WD 250GB *-) like 3 years old
14:40<rafael_>is it SATA or IDE/PATA?
14:40<chealer>norbac: which self-tests does it pass?
14:41<norbac>no it doesn't pass :(
14:41<norbac>I just want to avoid getting those messages at startup .... even thought I know that the disk is not in good shape O_o
14:41<rafael_>googleearth 4.2 reports me an error: Could not load kvw, path is: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/googleearth/kvw/default_It.kvw
14:41<chealer>norbac: if your HDD doesn't pass SMART self-tests, change it.
14:41<rafael_>where can I obtain it?
14:41<norbac>it is an IDE disk
14:42<chealer>norbac: well, you can always unplug it
14:42<mrvn>norbac: If the disk is broken the only sane thing you can do to remove the errors is to remove the disk.
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14:42<mrvn>norbac: and etch should show the same errors if the disk is broken
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14:43<norbac>it is my second HD ... I used it to save not vital information right now ... lol like windows is in that HD
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14:43<rafael_>in recent kernels, IDE drives ussually use PATA drives, so it should be sdb and not hdb, may be it works well with PATA drives as sdb
14:43<mrvn>norbac: you should have send it for repair before the 3 year waranty expired. :)
14:44<rafael_>yes, assure it pass esential tests
14:44<mrvn>rafael_: even if the stupid debian default kernel loads ide-generic?
14:44<norbac>but etch doesn't show the same error .. that is why I am kind of confusing O_o
14:44<mrvn>norbac: does the disk work under etch?
14:44<rafael_>tryi other kernel, try to compile the kernel yourself and use PATA
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14:44<norbac>yes it does
14:45<mrvn>norbac: does it still work? Maybe it just went from bad to worse.
14:46<mrvn>It could be the disk is broken on sector 12 and somehow etch doesn't try to read that but lenny does.
14:46<mrvn>you could try rewriting the sectors so if the disk can still remap bad sectors.
14:47<norbac>it still works, ... windows is in that disk .. and at least today morning it still worked
14:48<norbac>I have so videos in that disk and I can't read them without problem from lenny (or atleast without any visible problem)
14:49<variable>happy new years ;]
14:49<norbac>wondering .. how can can I rewrite those sectors?
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14:53<mrvn>e.g. dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hdb bs=1M count=1 at your own risk
14:54<mrvn>petern: you could use something like this: type quadTree = Leaf of point * value | Node of point * quadTree * quadTree * quadTree * quadTree
14:55<norbac>yes that is what I was afreid of ... at my own rick
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14:56<mrvn>Under etch try "dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1" to see if the sector is bad there too.
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14:56<Guest252>what do i need to install a deb file?
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14:57<mrvn>Guest252: dpkg
14:57<norbac>ok, well I am going to try that
14:57<EmleyMoor>Guest252: dpkg -i file
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14:57<Guest252>i mean without the command line
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14:57<Guest252>i did a base install
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14:58<abrotman>what are you trying to install ?
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15:01<mrvn>.oO( Oh yeah, lets start with something simple )
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15:01<norbac>see you guys happy new year :P
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15:21<BlkHatWitch>i have a problem
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15:22<BlkHatWitch>my adobe flash stop working on my debian
15:22<mrvn>Only the best for debian
15:22<BlkHatWitch>ive downloaded n reinstaled n its still fuked
15:23<BlkHatWitch>can ny1 tell me wat i should do
15:23*mrvn has never used flash.
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15:23<BlkHatWitch>then wat do u use
15:24<BlkHatWitch>to watch like you tube n stuff
15:24<mrvn>if I must
15:24<BlkHatWitch>wat is that
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15:25<mrvn>apt-cache is your friend
15:26<BlkHatWitch>ok ive only been on debian alittle while im a girl give me a break lol
15:27<newsense>not in lenny repos
15:27<BlkHatWitch>im on etch
15:27<BlkHatWitch>not lenny
15:27<newsense>!find youtube-dl etch
15:28<newsense>dpkg is slow for searching packages
15:28<dpkg>newsense: no idea
15:28<newsense>whats that other bots name ?
15:28<mrvn>newsense: it is in sid and etch
15:29<newsense>ahh well dpkg needs an update than
15:29<enouf>judd versions youtube-dl
15:29<judd>enouf: youtube-dl -- etch: 2006.11.12-1 sid: 2008.03.22-1
15:30<newsense>thats the bots name :)
15:30<enouf>!youtube script
15:30<dpkg>youtube script is probably see so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternate is the 'youtube-dl' pkg
15:30<newsense>judd should be named apt
15:30<judd>newsense: Error: "should" is not a valid command.
15:30<newsense>judd shut up
15:30<judd>newsense: Error: "shut" is not a valid command.
15:30<enouf>~kick newsense's butt
15:31<newsense>i can never remember the dam things nick and it really should be apt
15:31<enouf>er .. i forget apt's trigger - or maybe .. ahh offline
15:31<newsense>who rus that bot anyone know ?
15:31<enouf>ofcourse we know ;-)
15:31<newsense>ahh you im guessing
15:33<newsense>anyone know of an app that will create the video ts files used for video dvds, thought ffmpeg did it with the -ntsc-dvd option but it just creates an mpeg
15:33<chealer>newsense: what do you mean by rus?
15:33<newsense>used to know how to do it but its been a while
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15:33<chealer>oh, runs
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15:35<chealer>newsense: stew does
15:35<newsense>that bot rocks as far as speed goes, dpkg is a little slow for searching packages
15:35<variable>I'm trying to mount usb drive but i've got this message: You are not privileged to mount this volume. where should i set those privileges?
15:35<newsense>adduser user plugdev
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15:36<newsense>variable, user should be in plugdev group
15:36<newsense>!tell chealer about usb mount
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15:36<wizard>hello everybody
15:36<newsense>hello wizard
15:36<chealer>mrvn: youtube-dl was removed from etch
15:36<wizard>hi new
15:37<chealer>!tell variable about usb mount
15:37<chealer>(from newsense)
15:37<newsense>wizard, too lazy to hit tab ?
15:37<wizard>go to dinner...happy new year bado boys :D
15:37<newsense>err my bad
15:37<wizard>see ya later guys
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15:37<newsense>too many irc networks going on at the moment
15:38<newsense>sorry chealer
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15:39<newsense>anyways anyone know of an app that will convert my mpeg video into the ts video files used for dvd videos ?
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15:39<SteppinRazor>Probably the wrong channel, but can someone help me with a specific program?
15:40<newsense>thought ffmpeg did that but i was apparently wrong the -dvd option is misleading as it will convert numerous formats to mpeg which isnt helping me make a dvd video
15:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:40<SteppinRazor>Well, the directory of newsleecher is not accessable/gone. How can I fix it?
15:41<SteppinRazor>the Download directory to be more precise
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15:41<somnambulant>i have some desktop icons that appeared after installing a coupla windows programs thru wine- they won't delete and they do not appear in the desktop directory- i don't know what the heck the deal is
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15:42<newsense>SteppinRazor, mkdir ?
15:42<SteppinRazor>newsense: no I guess there is something with the antivirus scanner, but I cant find it...
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15:43<SteppinRazor>the directory should contain several files, but it says it is empty and I cannot access it.
15:43<newsense>did you check permissions ? do you own that dir ?
15:44<SteppinRazor>I have all the permissions, can make new directories in the newsleecher directory etc
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15:46<newsense>happy new year abrotman !
15:46*newsense pops open the pepsi early
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15:48<newsense>anyways anyone know of an app that will convert my mpeg video into the ts video files used for dvd videos ?
15:48<SteppinRazor>I looked for a specific irc help channel for newsleecher, cannot find it, someone an idea?
15:48<newsense>try freenode maybe ?
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15:49<newsense>nah no newsleecher chan ther
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16:11<syntax_>would someone kindly provide me with their default bash PS1 variable?
16:11<syntax_>echo $PS1 should do the trick
16:11<abrotman>what's wrong with yours?
16:11<syntax_>I'm not on a debian box
16:12<mgoetze>i don't have a bash PS1 variable
16:12<abrotman>$ echo $PS1
16:12<mgoetze>oh, you mean as in grep PS1 /etc/skel/.* ?
16:12<syntax_>hmm, maybe its bahaviour is different in linux as opposed to solaris
16:12<abrotman>mgoetze: /etc/profile actually
16:13<syntax_>that did the trick
16:13<syntax_>I was trying to get it to show my home dir as ~ rather than the name
16:14<mgoetze>syntax_: use zsh. it is a thousand times more portable anyway ;)
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16:15<syntax_>did that years ago
16:15<syntax_>the way it works strikes me as rather odd
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16:16<Bytedevil>algun español??
16:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:16<mgoetze>you can get it to work pretty much like bash if you want
16:16<mgoetze>or like csh, if you prefer
16:16<syntax_>bash works fine for me
16:16<mgoetze>or anything else, really :)
16:17<syntax_>if I were to try any alternative at this point, it'd probably be ksh
16:17<mgoetze>well, you go and try to compile bash on a default install of hpux 10.20 ... i gave up after 5 hours or so
16:17<syntax_>hmm, I have an hpux box in my garagae
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16:17<syntax_>might just try that
16:18<mgoetze>and that's not counting the time needed to compile gnu make, the only prerequisite for compiling zsh
16:18<syntax_>sounds as fun as compiling X from scratch
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16:19<mgoetze>it is... to compile bash you first need to compile bison, yacc, etc. etc.
16:20<abrotman>mgoetze: if you just used a decent OS, you wouldn't have that problem :)
16:21<Hideo>I dunno... say Debian :P
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16:23<mgoetze>abrotman: the point of the exercise was obviously not to avoid problems :P
16:23<abrotman>mgoetze: you should go play with greycat :)
16:23<mgoetze>abrotman: and, as i pointed out, just compiling zsh also didn't pose any problems (beyond having to compile gnu make first)
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16:38<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gianni
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16:50<chowduh>./user/program-dir/programsh: /user/program-dir/program: No such file or directory
16:51<chowduh>sh: /user/program-dir/program: No such file or directory
16:51<chowduh>what am i missing here?
16:51<chowduh>i know it's something simple
16:52<enouf>ls it?
16:52<chowduh>anyone up?
16:52<newsense>ls -al /user/program-dir
16:52<chowduh>what? the program is there. the problem is with how i'm running it
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16:52<chowduh>i cant run any program using that method
16:53<newsense>should see your app with x
16:53<newsense>is it executable ?
16:53<newsense>ie chmod +x program
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16:53<chowduh>it is
16:54<chowduh>i'm not new to linux. i think it's something with my syntax when running a command
16:54<enouf>ls it
16:54<chowduh>say you have a program at /usr/program-dir/program What is the correct method of running that program
16:55<xsdg>chowduh: is it a shell script?
16:55<petemc>just give the full path to it
16:55<newsense>or bash or sh or .
16:55<xsdg>chowduh: it's possible the bang line has the path of something that doesn't exist
16:55<petemc>if you used ./usr/dir.. , you would need to cd / first
16:56<chowduh>i'm trying to make a shortcut in my menu
16:57<syntax_>perhaps it's output from the program or script
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16:57<syntax_>I believe if the shebang line doesn't exist, it uses the default shell you're using
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16:57<xsdg>syntax_: that's correct
16:58<chowduh>just a sec
16:58<syntax_>oh, you were referecning that if it mentions a line that doesn't exist. my bad
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17:00<enouf>ls it
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17:27<barnes>what raidcontrollercards is there that gets realhardware raid in linux? and good performance
17:28<mgoetze>well, the mptsas driver sucks
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17:29<mgoetze>i don't know of any rad controllers that are completely unsupported, though
17:31<koollman>barnes: 3ware 9xxx, areca cards, some adaptec high end cards too
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17:33<barnes>koollman how is those highpoint heard anything about them?
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17:35<koollman>heard bad things about highpoint (and adaptec, too)
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17:35<koollman>but, I remember that at least one of their card is decent... highpoint 3520. (gmail is quite handy to 'remember' that :) )
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17:36<koollman>oh, and LSI Logic cards are nice, too
17:37<koollman>I currently prefer the 3ware 96xx series, but that's a matter of taste, not really objective benchmark.
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17:38<creeed>I cant boot my second windows OS after editing its entry in menu.lst with same options as the first windows OS, any help please?
17:41<barnes>koollman thanks will google some performance tests on 3ware
17:42<koollman>barnes: performance-wise, many benchmarks show nice things about areca cards
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17:53<Xgamerz>hello people
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18:00<madrescher>Happy New Year
18:00<meandtheshell1>Happy New Year
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18:02<taziden>Bonne année
18:02<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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18:13<enouf>ls it
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18:37<meandtheshell1>ah, great, now pidgin is talking on its own ("Happy New Year") ... damn thingy
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18:43<chowduh>hey. possible to run two commands from a menu entry in kde if they are separated with &&?
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18:44<koollman>chowduh: you can perhaps run something like : sh -c "command1 && command2"
18:44<koollman>or run a script that runs the two commands
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18:45<chowduh>-c ?
18:45<koollman>-c takes as an argument a line of 'shell script'
18:48<abrotman>chowduh: (foo;bar)
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19:07<user311>can i get help ?
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19:07<user311>i need to log as superuser
19:08<user311>how must i do?
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19:09<user311>juste tape su on logon screen?
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19:09<abrotman>or login as root
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19:11<user311>how to log as root ?
19:11<user311>i have the root password but not the name
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19:12<user311>when i use "root"+"password" it says root cannot logon on this session
19:12<taziden>so wrong password
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19:12<EmleyMoor>root shouldn't login via gdm
19:13<abrotman>or any dm
19:13<EmleyMoor>Use one of the text consoles
19:13<abrotman>oh i have one of those!
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19:58<Garp>BIG question: my machine crashed just at 09-01-01 0:59:60 <- is there a known problem with leap seconds ? Than ks.
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20:02<barnes>Garp no but you need to tell us what version you running
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20:04<Garp>barnes: it's mostly testing with a bit of unstable, 32 bit. kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (might not be the one running before the crash)
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20:10<user311>hey how do i compile i file under debian terminal ?
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20:10<user311>to obtain a *.o file
20:10<mgoetze>user311: type "make"
20:10<user311>juste this?
20:10<user311>make *.c ?
20:10<user311>ok ty
20:11<mgoetze>no, just make
20:11<amphi_>or gcc -c foo.c
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20:33<user311>i have 4 files in a field
20:34<user311>on using make
20:34<user311>it says
20:34<user311>makefiles24::linux kernel files not found
20:34<user311>on using gcc its says command bash not found
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20:35<user311>ey can i get answer plz
20:35<Garp>user311: maybe you should install kernel headers
20:35<user311>i have debian dvd
20:36<Garp>user311: apt-get install kernel-headers or something like that
20:36<abrotman>apt-cache search linux-headers
20:36<Garp>user311: dvd? Dont you have network ?
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20:37<user311>im on another pc
20:37<user311>im trying to compile network card
20:37<AndyJ>Hi People, has any progress bean made with showing Flash movies in AMD-64?
20:38<AndyJ>I'm running a 32 bit chroot so that I can see Flash content, but it is a real pain...
20:38<Garp>user311: I see
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20:38<craigevil>AndyJ: use the new Adobe 64 bit flash
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20:39<Garp>user311: then, install linux-headers from your dvd
20:39<user311>gief command plz
20:39<AndyJ>craigevil: I attempted to install it, but am still seeing the "This file is known to cause problems" error in IceWeasel
20:39<Garp>user311: apt-get install linux-headers
20:39<user311>ok ty
20:39<user311>will try brb
20:40<craigevil>just unzip it and make a ~./mozilla/plugins and put the plugin there\
20:40<Garp>user311: likely
20:40<AndyJ>craigevil: Thanks Craig, I'll double check, but I'm pretty sure that's what I did.
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20:45<barnes>Garp i wonder how such users update their system with security patches
20:48<craigevil>if they dont have internet it doesnt really matter if they have updates
20:49<abrotman>not wholly true ..
20:49<barnes>exactley but he is trying to install a networkcard so i figure he get that working within 2days
20:49<abrotman>just because there is no internet doesn't mean you don't have users that you'd like to keep from getting elevated access
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20:51<Garp>barnes: then, he'll be able to get updates from the net (once the network card will work). That's what I thouoght
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20:51<Garp>Happy new year to everybody, now, I go.
20:52<AndyJ>craigevil: I've copied the libs over to \usr\lib\mozilla directory (previously in \usr\lib\mozilla-firefox I'll restart Iceweasel and see what happens. brb.
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20:53<craigevil>put it in your home in ./mozilla/plugins you will have to create the /plugins dir
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20:54<AndyJ>craigevil: A different error at least: Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
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21:00<sandsmark>all our debian servers seems to have died at 23:59, has this happened to others?
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21:01<mgoetze>pwned by the leap second?
21:01<mgoetze>all my systems run debian, and they are all still fine
21:01<sandsmark>hmm, ok
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21:02<mgoetze>my only outage in 2009 so far has been an ipv6 tunnel...
21:02<sandsmark>running etch, or?
21:03<mgoetze>mostly lenny
21:03<mgoetze>my router runs etchnhalf though
21:03<sandsmark>hmm, ok
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21:04<sandsmark>it just seemed too big for a coincidence, that all our debian etch servers stopped ponging at the same time (it's not a network problem, private boxes running other distros still pong)
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21:05*mgoetze pings an etch system at work... PONG
21:05<barnes>sandsmark user Garp has had the same issue
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21:06<sandsmark>barnes: hmm, ok
21:06<sandsmark>we run custom-compiled kernels, that might play in
21:06<barnes>sandsmark well patched servers?
21:06<mgoetze>a random sample of half a dozen etch servers at work all replied to my pings
21:07<sandsmark>do you use stock kernels?
21:07<barnes>let me logon and check nagios
21:07<barnes>we got a few etch and lenny at work
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21:10<barnes>sandsmark none of etch or lenny servers has died my work all is in CET timwzone and on generic kernels
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21:12<barnes>sandsmark Garp had lenny and sid boxes running 32bit you missed him with 5minutes
21:12<sandsmark>heh :)
21:12<barnes>i think he used debian kernels
21:13<sandsmark>well, we use custom 64bit kernels + 32bit userland
21:15<blarson>My laptop refused to come back from screenblank, but no problems with my servers (etch and sid).
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22:24<cdlu>you are beyond help
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22:25<hulkhogan>how often is a new debian released?
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22:33<AndyJ>Flash 10 (alpha) installed into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but not found... is there another step?
22:34<AndyJ>Do libraries have to be registered in debian in some way?
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22:36<Supaplex>!break the evil non-free flash
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22:39<AndyJ>Supaplex: ???
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22:42<Supaplex>no idea. did you restart iceweasel?
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22:49<AndyJ>Yes, restarted, even rebooted
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22:49<craigevil>put it ./mozilla/plugins not /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
22:50<Supaplex>I suppose a symlink would work
22:50<AndyJ>craigevil: I have also put it into /home/username/mozilla/plugins
22:51<AndyJ>still not found
22:51<craigevil>weird do you have some other flash plugin installed
22:51<AndyJ>as far as can tell, I've installed all flash plugins via Symantec
22:51<Supaplex>.mozilla != mozilla
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22:52<Supaplex>symantec ?!?
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22:52<AndyJ>Looking for .mozilla
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22:58<AndyJ>copied into /home/username/.mozilla/plugins brb
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22:59<AndyJ>still not found
23:00<hulkhogan>hey debian sucks and thats the bottom line cuz i say so
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23:00<craigevil>you might try deleting the plugins.dat in the firefox dir then restarting iceweasel
23:00<AndyJ>will do.
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23:08<Carlos>alguna nena quiere chatiar
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23:09<dpalacio>Happy new year dpkg
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23:11<AndyJ>Still no go. Created the plugins directory in .mozilla
23:11<AndyJ>copied in the
23:11<AndyJ>deleted the pluginreg.dat files
23:12<AndyJ>Any way to find out where Firefox is looking for the others?
23:12<AndyJ>Other plugins found
23:12<AndyJ>in /usr/lib/mozilla
23:12<AndyJ>Sorry I meant the directories
23:12<AndyJ>I've searched for the .so files used by other plugings
23:12<AndyJ>and found them in three locations
23:13<AndyJ>I've copied the Flash 10 library into all three locations
23:13<AndyJ>If there's a permissions issue, I can't see it
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23:17<AndyJ>I'm reinstalling (older version) via Synaptic to see if I can see what's different
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23:23<AndyJ>Using Synaptic to install the old version...
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23:24<AndyJ>The library was added to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and a Symlink created in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
23:24<AndyJ>IceWeasel can see this plugin, but not the new libflash in the same directory
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23:27<craigevil>have you tried install flashplugin-mozilla from ?
23:27<AndyJ>craigevil: no, I'll go look.
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23:30<somnambulant>do i need to restart for hosts.allow to take effect for sshd or inetd?
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