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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-01-07

---Logopened Wed Jan 07 00:00:41 2009
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00:00<kop>racecar56 : You're best off sticking with the stock debian packages. If you need to go past that use backports.org. Or you can use dpkg-buildpackage to backport stuff yourself.
00:01<kop>racecar56 : Check backports.org for a newer iceweasel/firefox.
00:01<racecar56>ok im doing that
00:02<racecar56>o_o i was looking on there and it gives me a firefox 2.0.0.18 package
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00:03<kop>racecar56 : That's the iceweasel that's in etch.
00:03<racecar56>ok
00:04<racecar56>i heard firefox 2 support was dead, does that mean that iceweasel 2 is also, or its the most up to date
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00:04<kop>racecar56 : Etch is old, but sure to work and supported by the debian security team.
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00:05<kop>racecar56 : Lenny is newer, but does not have the security support so I stick with etch. And, I want things to just plain work without fussing.
00:05<stew>racecar56: firefox support is dead upstream. but iceweasel 2 is suported fully by the debian security team
00:05<racecar56>ok
00:05<stew>racecar56: in fact, part of the reason for the renaming to iceweasel is that mozcorp did not want debian to be doing this type of security support
00:06<kop>racecar56 : (And still use the firefox name.)
00:06<racecar56>ok
00:06<racecar56>thanks for your help
00:07<kop>racecar56 : Mozilla might have a binary for etch, but then you're on your own when it comes to security updates and making sure things stay working.
00:07<racecar56>ok
00:07<kop>The great thing about linux is that when you stick with your distro for all your software, then things are sure to work. (For some value of "sure".)
00:07<stew>firefox 3 on etch is problematic becuase it means getting gtk from a non-debian source
00:08<stew>(which is why its not on backports.org)
00:08<racecar56>ok
00:08<racecar56>my first distro ive ever used was xandros 3.0, that was back in 2006 i think
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00:09<kop>racecar56 : Some distros are better known for their upgradeability and future-proof-ness. Deiban is one of them.
00:10<racecar56>then much later (ubuntu 8.04 was new at that time) i used ubuntu and a little after i got debian cause i was curious
00:12<racecar56>but i knew about debian scince i used xandros because for some reason it mentioned it
00:13<racecar56>thanks alot for your help
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00:18<Ananth123>however, ff 3.x from the mozilla website works quite fine. but very little support though
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00:22<Naicamine>i just did a reinstall on my debian server and i cant ping it by hostname from a ubuntu machine. by ip, it pings fine tho
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00:24<Naicamine>its messing with samba. sometimes my server shows up and sometimes not
00:28<kop>Naicamine : Regards ping, it seems you've dns problems.
00:28<Naicamine>hmmm we have a 2wire modem that does all the DNS
00:29<Naicamine>so the problem should be local to the server
00:29<Naicamine>but other than that idk
00:30<kop>Naicamine : Or to the 2wire. Have you checked that the name resolves to the IP you're expecting?
00:30<Naicamine>how do you mean?
00:31<kop>You ask the dns server to tell you the IP number belonging to the name.
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00:31<Naicamine>oic, no i havent
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00:31<kop>Naicamine : You also ask whatever computer's doing the asking what dns server it's asking for answers.
00:32<kop>Naicamine : Try using dig.
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00:34<Naicamine>kop: dig -b 192.168.1.68 returns: dig: isc_socket_bind: address not available
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00:35<Naicamine>is that how i do it?
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00:36<kop>Naicamine : you do : dig foo.example.com
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00:37<kop>Naicamine : Or: dig -x 192.168.1.68 to do the reverse lookup (which you're not interested in at the moment.)
00:37<Naicamine>ok
00:37<Naicamine>what do you need to know from the output then?
00:38<kop>Naicamine : It says that the IP is what you expect, and that it's looking at the nameserver you expect?
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00:38<Naicamine>it prints the ip of the 2wire, not the server
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00:39<kop>Naicamine : You said the 2wire is the nameserver, so it should print that as the nameserver. But if it's printing the 2wire's address as that belonging to the name, then your dns is borked. (2wire's are totally lame IMO.)
00:40<kop>Naicamine : There's the "answer section" where you get your answer, and the stuff at the bottom where it gives dns server info.
00:42<Naicamine>it gives a question section and an authority section
00:43<kop>Naicamine : Then the name is not in your dns server. So there's no wonder you can't ping the name.
00:43<kop>Naicamine : (Unless your asking the wrong server. It says what server your asking at the bottom.)
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00:45<Naicamine>so i need to update the 2wire dns then
00:45<kop>Naicamine : MS Windows/samba on the other hand can use voodoo other than dns to change names into numbers. I don't know what's what with that. You could try asking on #samba.)
00:45<linux_stu>how can i make gnome-power-manager start at boot?
00:45<kop>Naicamine : Yes. Or you could use your server as a dns server.
00:46<kop>Naicamine : But then you'd probably need to know more about networking. You might check the reference manual at debian.org.
00:47<Naicamine>well can i use it for dns if it only has 256mb of ram? cause right now its just a fille server
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00:47<kop>Naicamine : This is assuming you asked the 2wire to resolve the dns.
00:47<kop>Naicamine : I'm running dns on a box with 64M of ram. (Having just upgraded from 48M.)
00:48<Naicamine>ok well then ill look into that cause i wanna rely as little as i can on that junk 2wire
00:48<kop>Naicamine : But you'd need to tell your dhcp server to tell the rest of your network to use the proper dns server.
00:49<kop>Naicamine : Of course you could have your server be the dhcp server too, and disable that on the 2wire.
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00:50<Naicamine>that sounds pretty good to me, i think i will do that but im gonna read into it a little before i do it
00:51<kop>Naicamine : Use bind9 and dhcpd to go with the pros. Or dnsmasq if you need a tiny footprint. (It's used by the embedded device folks.)
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00:52<kop>Naicamine : The bind9 max-cache-size option can be used to limit ram utilization to just a few MB if necessary.
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00:52<Naicamine>that sounds pretty good to me
00:53<dani>howdy fellas! i got a Q and i need an A. clock panel font.. how do i change it?
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00:53<kop>Naicamine : tail -f /var/log/daemon is your friend.
00:54<Naicamine>good thought thnx
00:54<kop>dani : Depends on the program that's displaying the clock.
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00:55<dani>umm well it doesn't gimme that option to change the color.
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00:57<dani>hey hey. ya know that beep sound it makes when you backspace into nothingness... how do i disable it? my parents are sleeping next room
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00:58<goodger>dani: I ended up unplugging the speaker in question
00:59<BlueJ>just disable system sounds
00:59<BlueJ>alert sounds*
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00:59<kop>There's a way to change the bell to a screen flash, but I forget... It's somewhere in X, I think.
00:59<kop>Or maybe curses?
01:01<dani>how do you disable system sounds?
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01:01<marco__>I think that the bleep can be disabled with rmmod pcspkr, but don't trust me much on this
01:01<dani>even when sounds is muted i hear that beep
01:02<phorce1>dani: Gnome?
01:02<dani>ya
01:03<BlueJ>dani its in the sound management
01:03<phorce1>Menubar ---- system --- preferences --- sound ---- system beep tab --- enable system beep unchecked --- visual system beep checked
01:04<marco__>if that doesn't work, "xset b off" could do
01:04<kop>dani: You might try: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Visual-Bell.html
01:04<phorce1>dani -- and possibly Volume control (Alsa Mixer) ---- pc speaker --- mute it
01:05<marco__>linux: so many ways to disable a beep
01:06<kop>It says: "xset -b" disables the bell altogether.
01:06<phorce1>dani: The first one (system preferences sound) turned it off for me
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01:07<dani>xset b off... how do i do this? cuz i dont see the system beep tab in sound preferences
01:07<dondelelcaro>from your .xsession or similar
01:07<dondelelcaro>I don't know how you do it in gnome, though
01:07<kop>dani : You open a terminal window and type it: Try : xset b off
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01:08<kop>dani : Works for me.
01:08<dani>does nothing, just skips to the other line
01:08<marco__>if you press the key combination "alt+f2",then type "xset b off", then press enter it could work
01:08<dani>bugga
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01:08<dani>oh yeah it worked
01:09<kop>marco__ Better tell him to press alt+f7 to get back to X.
01:09<dani>do i have to do this everytime i loggin?
01:09<marco__>and there you go! this is linux for you ;-)
01:09<dani>wonderful!
01:09<marco__>:-D
01:09<goodger>kop: you're thinking of ctrl-alt-f2. alt-f2 opens a "run" box in gnome
01:09<dani>gosh i love linux. windows is hippitty gaga boubou
01:09<phorce1>kop: ALT+F2 just opens a "run-in-terminal" popup
01:09<kop>dani : the .xsession dondelelcaro mentioned is (I think) the way to set it permanently.
01:10<dondelelcaro>it is if you're using a Debian session; I just have no clue if it's actually executed in the gnome session
01:10<dani>allrightyO! many thanks guys
01:10*kop has been working without X a lot lately so just use the plain alt codes to switch consoles.
01:11<goodger>aha
01:12<dani>is it true that Mac stole some codes from Linux and then windows stole from Mac?
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01:12<marco__>dani: totally dude
01:12<kop>dani : Nope. Apple used netbsd code, which is allowed.
01:13<goodger>dani: no actual code, just ideas
01:13<dani>oh
01:13<Ananth123>but they also released their core kernel code
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01:13<marco__>dani: and then for the graphic inteface, they mostly dumped everything that was usually used with unixes and made something quite cool in its place
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01:14<dani>talk about originality huh
01:15<dani>did any of you guys tried running GTA 4 on linux?
01:15<marco__>I actually didn't! How does it run?
01:15<jm_>windows only breddha
01:15<dani>bugga
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01:16<dani>i go on windows just to play that game and nothing more, then switch back to linux
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01:16<goodger>dani: winehq reports: "what works: installing; what doesn't work: everything else"
01:17<goodger>3d games are usually very difficult to make work in wine
01:17<Ananth123>get vmware then ;-)
01:17<dani>bugga
01:17<marco__>goodger: ;-)
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01:17<dani>ive heard that warcraft works quite fine on wine
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01:17<marco__>it doesn't run as well as within windows, mind you
01:17<goodger>dani: WoW does work quite well, yes
01:18<goodger>dani: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=11329
01:19<dani>that's awesomeness
01:19<goodger>damn it, -4 is too cold...
01:20<dani>it's -7 here. expecting 30cm snow tonight
01:21<goodger>no snow here --- no cloud, hence the below-freezing temperature :(
01:21<phorce1>Note that temps on the following page are F, not C ---> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/tenday/77656
01:21<goodger>phorce1: hrrrm
01:21*phorce1 will be in short sleeves by Thursday
01:22*goodger will be crashing his car in a few hours in his first ever encounter of road ice
01:23<dani>ha! check this out. an apple parody in gta4! http://www.tuaw.com/2008/05/01/flickr-find-grand-theft-auto-hides-apple-and-iphone-parody/
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01:24<goodger>excellent
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01:25<goodger>I am concerned that that page thought it necessary to link to a dictionary definition of "tossers"
01:27<marco__>goodger: hmm, considering some leading american politicians seem to think africa is one big country... maybe they are just making it easier to their reader base :-P
01:28<goodger>possibly
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01:32<goodger>I am now severely regretting trying to chew this soluble vitamin tablet
01:32<goodger>most of the ingredients are acids, and my mouth hurts
01:35<petern>sigh, misread vitamin as viagra :o
01:36<goodger>:S
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01:38<marco__>hmmm, this looks interesting, if not a bit radical: http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/b//archives/2005/12/23/T12_25_47/
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01:39<goodger>marco__: that is generally a good idea
01:40<goodger>unfortunately it tends to lead to things like /Program Files
01:40<marco__>goodger: hmmm, what's so unfortunate about it?
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01:41<goodger>marco__: /usr/share/games/openttd turns into /User Files/Shared Files/Games/OpenTTD which is exceedingly long, contains many spaces, and has capital letters (UNIX is case-sensitive)
01:42<jm_>sounds similar to stallman's idea with each package in its own dir with symlinks in common places
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01:42<marco__>goodger: which is a point the author makes: "Unfortunately /They Have Been/Corrupted By The/Marketdroid Naming Convention/. What's wrong with simple /usr/pkg/ or /usr/app/? These supposed “idiot users” that need /Long Names With Spaces And Capital Letters/So That They Can Understand It/ probably use some lame file manager that hides all system directories anyway."
01:42<goodger>marco__: it is a slippery slope
01:42<linux_stu>anyone know why i might see two processors listed in /proc/cpuinfo on my eee pc that only has one intel atom processor?
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01:43<jm_>linux_stu: no, not anyone does - the answer is hyper threading
01:43<goodger>linux_stu: is it dual-core?
01:43<linux_stu>oh ok. goodger, no
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01:44<linux_stu>hmm. i didn't know hyper threading would cause that to happen
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01:45<goodger>no, neither did I
01:45<goodger>linux_stu: please pastebin /proc/cpuinf
01:45<goodger>o
01:46<marco__>goodger: yeah. Maybe It's difficult to know what's a better evolutionary path for linux convention would be when so many people have so many different ideas on what would be best based on their own needs
01:47<linux_stu>goodger, http://rafb.net/p/2U4ZSM76.html
01:47<goodger>marco__: the easiest option is to leave it alone
01:47<marco__>linus' "let everyone just work individually towards good things and then hope everything comes together in the end" admittedly has its flaws IMO
01:47<goodger>linux_stu: intriguing --- no idea, sorry...
01:48<marco__>goodger: yeah, I guess...
01:48<linux_stu>goodger, i had two people tell me it was due to hyper threading, and i believe them
01:48<jm_>it's obvious - look at core id - it's the same for both, with dual core CPU it's not the same
01:49<goodger>well, if it's not due to dual-coredness (as confirmed by the two coreid=0s) then presumably it's hyperthreating
01:49<goodger>*hyperthreading
01:49<marco__>well, good night everyone!
01:49<goodger>good night marco__
01:49<linux_stu>night marco__
01:49<marco__>night
01:50<goodger>agh, now it's -6
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01:51<goodger>pressure continuing to rise :S
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01:54<goodger>current forecast says "snow on thursday night". :D
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02:00<wgs10>hi
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02:18<mike>hey can snyone hear help me with getting flashes soudn to work ?
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03:07<morgan`>hi
03:07<goodger>morgan`: hi
03:07<morgan`>hi goodger
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03:19<dankbot420>http://linuxowns.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/x3.jpg
03:19<dankbot420>can anyone tell me the name of the transparent app there?
03:20<goodger>dankbot420: the system monitor one or the panel one?
03:21<dankbot420>goodger: the system monitor one
03:21<dankbot420>???
03:22<dankbot420>goodger: the one under the calculator
03:22<dankbot420> i wanna install that
03:22<dankbot420>but i dont know the name of it
03:22<craigevil>conky
03:23<dankbot420>craigevil: thanks man
03:23<dankbot420>last time i used something like this was gkrelm
03:23<dankbot420>but conky looks cooler
03:23<jm_>gkrellm doesn't waste so much space
03:24<dankbot420>deskstop space?
03:25<dankbot420>anyway thanks yall
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03:25*goodger opines that on-desktop things are a waste of time since they will only be displayed when the user is not running anything else, i.e., is not using the computer's resources and therefore has no need to know how much are in use
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03:26<goodger>ah, what's this? gcc upgrades in testing! was lenny released?
03:27<goodger>...no. damn
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03:45<nohost2059>hello
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04:41<sheldonh>how many bytes must you zero out at the beginning of a partition to guarantee that LVM won't pick up anything on it?
04:42<Ananth123>512k i think
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04:47<petern>half a MB? seems a lot for a marker...
04:48<sheldonh>googling suggests people have accomplished zero outs with as little as 8k
04:48<sheldonh>but you know google :)
04:48<sheldonh>google thinks windows is awesome
04:48<petern>heh
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04:53<aetheria>what are openvz and vserver?
04:54<gsimmons>aetheria: /msg dpkg openvz ; /msg dpkg vserver
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04:58<aetheria>what's the command to renice process amarok since its skipping quite a lot?
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04:59<jm_>man renice
04:59<AbsintheSyringe>is there by any chance I could find debian font for free?
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05:01<goodger>AbsintheSyringe: which font?
05:01<aetheria>what would a reasonable high-priority value be? it already is 0 which is pretty low, is it not?
05:01<themill>dpkg: tell AbsintheSyringe about multiple ask
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05:01<koollman>aetheria: 0 is the default
05:01<koollman>aetheria: I would put something like -5
05:01<AbsintheSyringe>themill, no need to tell me about multiple ask
05:01<AbsintheSyringe>I changed my mind after I have posted the question back on freenode
05:01<jm_>0 is the default
05:02<goodger>aetheria: 0 is normal, negative is greater than normal, positive is lower... put -5 as koollman says
05:02<aetheria>koollman: thanks. next stop is building a preemptible kernel if this doesn't help
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05:02<aetheria>low-latency preemptible that is
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05:03<themill>AbsintheSyringe: which is still asking multiple times. You waited what, 1 minute and then decided to ask elsewhere. Remember that it's almost all the same people answering questions on both channels.
05:04<AbsintheSyringe>themill, I'll try not to let it happen again ok?
05:04<AbsintheSyringe>I'm sorry if that helps
05:04<themill>no worries.
05:06<goodger>AbsintheSyringe: which font are you referring to?
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05:06<AbsintheSyringe>goodger, debian official one, "Poppl Laudatio Condensed"
05:08<goodger>...nope, looks like it's commercial...
05:09<sheldonh>gsimmons: do you have any python fu? i'd like to bounce a debsecan improvement off you (given your assistance with the security-testing feeds yesterday)
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05:09<AbsintheSyringe>goodger, yep, but I really do wonder how no one came onto idea of "forking" it or whatever you would call that in font world, it shouldn't be too difficult unless it doesn't violate authors copyrights and such
05:09<themill>(see, that's why asking in multiple places at the same time is a pain... multiple people are spending time helping you without knowing that you're question has already been answered elsewhere)
05:09<goodger>AbsintheSyringe: well, cloning it is quite easy...
05:10<AbsintheSyringe>goodger, exactly, so why no one did it?
05:10<goodger>AbsintheSyringe: probably nobody has ever cared enough before you
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05:12<AbsintheSyringe>goodger, I do care, if something as such as big and important as debian is representing what it is and being what it is, and using commercial font, that's just ... wrong :)
05:12<AbsintheSyringe>goodger, I never did a font before, but I actually think I might give it a try, who do I need to talk to about this?
05:12<goodger>!fontforge
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05:13<goodger>hmm, apparently dpkg hasn't heard of fontforge
05:13<AbsintheSyringe>looks like it :)
05:13<AbsintheSyringe>fontforge.sourceforge.net? :)
05:13<goodger>AbsintheSyringe: look up fontforge [debian packages are in the repositories]
05:13<AbsintheSyringe>goodger, k
05:13<goodger>yep, documentation is there
05:14<goodger>it's an obscure piece of software, but it's easy enough to use
05:14<themill>Good luck in not being in breach of copyright when you umm copy it.
05:15<squid>øû
05:15<squid>hey
05:15<AbsintheSyringe>I'm not sure I wanna copy it
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05:15<AbsintheSyringe>fork it would be a better word
05:15<squid>is there IIS for linux?
05:15<AbsintheSyringe>squid, yea it's called apache :P
05:15<goodger>themill: for some reason cloning a font is considered non-copyright-buggering
05:16<goodger>themill: see also arial vs. helvetica
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05:16<themill>AbsintheSyringe: the right to fork something is something that is given to you explicitly by the software authors.
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05:16<themill>goodger: err... istr there have been cases where people have been sued for copying fonts.
05:16<squid>AbsintheSyringe ic httpd ?
05:17<AbsintheSyringe>themill, I'm going to give it a go, let people on mailing list know what they think about it, it really surprises me this wasn't done earlier
05:17<goodger>themill: apparently microsoft was not sued for cloning helvetica... maybe because of the infinitessimal difference in the R
05:18<AbsintheSyringe>I guess this would be a good example for all of us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts
05:18<squid>i just check out via netcraft.com www.kremlin.ru and its written OS Linux Microsoft IIS webserver 7.0 - its true you can check yourself ;o)
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05:19<squid>AbsintheSyringe mb there is IIS port for linux?
05:19<jm_>www.kremlin.ru: nginx/0.5.35
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05:19<squid>look at the end of table jm_
05:19<AbsintheSyringe>squid, I think it's redirecting, even though it wouldn't suprise me fedora/redhat did such thing, ie directory.fedoraproject.org
05:19<jm_>squid: no
05:20<petern>heh, even the liberation fonts had licensing issues :/
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05:25<jm_>yeah it took how long to sort it out - 2 years?
05:25<AbsintheSyringe>dunno, I'll actually start working on this, will let people know on mailing list what's going on, wanna hear more comments about "copyright infringement" issue and why exactly wasn't this done earlier
05:26<themill>I'm guessing people will be more interested in releasing lenny (squeeze, squeeze+1, ...) than in redoing the font on the logo.
05:27<AbsintheSyringe>no doubt about that, but still ...
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05:28<goodger>AbsintheSyringe: there's also the fact that there's basically no point
05:29<AbsintheSyringe>goodger, hm, how come?
05:29<goodger>well, the debian logo is already under a free license
05:29<goodger>nobody needs to make any more of it
05:29<AbsintheSyringe>meh
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05:34<brianwillis1984>hello
05:34<brianwillis1984>anyone around could use some help please
05:34<goodger>!ask
05:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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05:36<brianwillis1984>i installed debian into my laptop...and well it goes to a kerenal from there alot of stuff goes on and finally brings me to my name @debian:~$ and i dont know what else to do..first time useing this ive use ubuntu before and thats about it for my linux's experirence
05:36<jm_>install soem desktop environment
05:37<brianwillis1984>jm_: how
05:37<jm_>brianwillis1984: with apt
05:37<AbsintheSyringe>brianwillis1984, what happens if you do "startx"
05:38<brianwillis1984>jm__: this is my first time with this...do u have the time and pation to walk me threw this
05:38<jm_>brianwillis1984: yes if you promise to read newbie docs after it
05:39<brianwillis1984>sure will
05:39<jm_>brianwillis1984: did it ask you about repositories during install? is neworking working?
05:39<jm_>networking even
05:39<brianwillis1984>no sorry no networking
05:39<jm_>what kind of connectivity do you have?
05:39<brianwillis1984>none
05:40<brianwillis1984>right now
05:40<brianwillis1984>i have a pcmia card
05:40<jm_>no I mean to make it work
05:40<jm_>so WLAN?
05:40<brianwillis1984>none
05:40<brianwillis1984>sorry
05:40<brianwillis1984>i made a iso disc to get this far
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05:41<jm_>run lspci, find out which card it is
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05:41<brianwillis1984>ok got alot of info what are u looking for
05:42<jm_>well which card is the network one?
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05:42<brianwillis1984>well i see host bridge pci bridge ide interface ethernet controller
05:43<brianwillis1984>i have a old micron transport nx lol
05:43<brianwillis1984>with a 11gig hard drive
05:44<jm_>ok then paste it all on some pastebin site (not here!)
05:44<brianwillis1984>how
05:44<brianwillis1984>there is no internet to the laptop
05:44<brianwillis1984>u want me to type all of that then
05:45<jm_>ahh not even internal then?
05:45<brianwillis1984>none what so ever
05:45<brianwillis1984>i mean i have a cnet pcmia card pluged into it
05:45<brianwillis1984>thats about it
05:45<jm_>right, and you want to use that to connect to your router or somesuch?
05:45<brianwillis1984>but router isnt evening seeing it on
05:46<jm_>does lspci list any unknown devices?
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05:46<brianwillis1984>none posted
05:46<jm_>does it mention cnet card?
05:46<brianwillis1984>nope
05:47<brianwillis1984>it notices
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05:47<brianwillis1984>a ethernet controller:realtek semiconductor co., ltd. rtl and numbers after that
05:48<jm_>and the rest?
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05:48<brianwillis1984>of that i cant see
05:48<soc>hi
05:48<brianwillis1984>goes off the screen
05:48<soc>can someone help me with defoma?
05:49<petern>does it actually say "rtl and numbers after that" ?
05:49<soc>i want to correct a defoma-hints file
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05:49<brianwillis1984>it says
05:49<jm_>lspci|more
05:49<brianwillis1984>rtl-8139/8139c/8139 and thats all i see
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05:50<soc>in the documentation it reads the following:" FontName .. is a real name of the font. You should not specify more than one values to this HintType. The value should be PostScript-like font name. "
05:50<soc>how do i find out what's the PostScript-like name of a font?
05:51<brianwillis1984>ok i type lspci more and i got some other stuff
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05:54<jm_>brianwillis1984: do you have yenta_socket module loaded?
05:55<brianwillis1984>jm_: dont knwo
05:55<jm_>brianwillis1984: lsmod|grep yenta
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05:56<brianwillis1984>is that a number 1 one
05:56<brianwillis1984>or lower case l
05:56<jm_>it should stay silent if you don't
05:56<jm_>it's L
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05:56<brianwillis1984>smodlgrep command not found
05:57<jm_>it's LSMOD in lowercase
05:57<jm_>lsmod | grep yenta
05:57<brianwillis1984>oh ok sorry
05:57<themill>brianwillis1984: it's a vertical bar (or pipe) | not a 1 or an l
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05:58<brianwillis1984>not to sound stuipd but how do i make that symbol
05:58<petern>you press |
05:58<jm_>shift + \ on us keyboard
05:58<brianwillis1984>ok thanks
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05:58<jm_>you can also just use this instead: grep yenta /proc/modules
05:58<brianwillis1984>ok
05:59<brianwillis1984>what do u want to know
05:59<brianwillis1984>i did that
05:59<jm_>did it print any lines?
05:59<brianwillis1984>yup
05:59<brianwillis1984>do u want them
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05:59<jm_>but lspci doesn't print any pcmcia cards? or cardbus?
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06:00<brianwillis1984>pcmcia_core 36852 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
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06:06<brianwillis1984>jm_: so what does that mean
06:06<eeeuser>Dumb question re dos2unix. I installed tofrodos, but I cant work out how to get aptitude to tell me what binaries that package provides
06:06<jm_>brianwillis1984: does lspci mention print any pcmcia cards? or cardbus?
06:06<petemc>eeeuser: dpkg -L tofrodos
06:06<jm_>eeeuser: dpkg can, or apt-file
06:07<avtobiff>dpkg -L is only if the package is installed right?
06:07<dpkg>ii is only if the package is installed right 1.1-1.1 avtobiff's private gamp collection
06:07<avtobiff>gamp?
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06:07<eeeuser>Thanks. Is dos2unix non-free or something? It seems odd that it is not provided.
06:07<themill>avtobiff: correct.
06:07<jm_>!gamp
06:07<jm_>Gay Asian Midget Porn
06:07<jm_>dos2unix is provided
06:07<brianwillis1984>jm_: this is all it says about a pcmcia pcmcia_core 36852 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
06:08<jm_>brianwillis1984: no, you need to look at lspci output, not lsmod
06:08<crazyb0y>hahaha
06:08<brianwillis1984>sorry
06:08<brianwillis1984>after typeing in the correct lspci nothing came up
06:09<jm_>that can't be, run "lspci | more" without quotes and read it, see if it mentions pcmcia or cardbus
06:10<brianwillis1984>nothing about a pcmcia card
06:10<brianwillis1984>just about that ethernet controller
06:10<gsimmons>sheldonh: Nothing significant, "Dive into Python" is still on the TODO. Is it about #511076?
06:11<jm_>hmm then I'm afraid my laptop clues run out
06:11<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: Try "pcmciactl ident" instead. lspci only lists cardbus devices.
06:11<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: Gah, "pccardctl ident".
06:12<brianwillis1984>gsimmons: command not found
06:12<brianwillis1984>gsimmons: command not found
06:12<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: Install the 'pcmciautils' package, if possible.
06:13<brianwillis1984>gsimmons: okay...how would i go about doing that
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06:16<brianwillis1984>jm_ i found something about cardbus bridge
06:16<brianwillis1984>jm_: looks like its not finding it tho
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06:17<jm_>brianwillis1984: yeah I think your laptop is too old for it, so you need to use pccardctl
06:17<brianwillis1984>jm_: okay how do i use that
06:17<jm_>brianwillis1984: install pcmciautils :)
06:17<brianwillis1984>jm_: okay where can i find this
06:18<brianwillis1984>and il burn it on a cd
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06:18<jm_>brianwillis1984: run: apt-cache policy pcmciautils
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06:19<brianwillis1984>jm_: command not found
06:19<jm_>brianwillis1984: you don't have apt-cache command? are you sure you typed it correctly? are you sure this is debian?
06:19<brianwillis1984>ok sorry i typed in run:
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06:20<jm_>without run:
06:20<brianwillis1984>yea i got it now
06:20<brianwillis1984>what would u like me to do from here
06:20<jm_>candidate line
06:20<brianwillis1984>?
06:20<jm_>what does it say?
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06:21<brianwillis1984>candidate:014-3
06:22<brianwillis1984>what does that mean
06:22<jm_>apt-get install pcmciautils
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06:22<brianwillis1984>hmmm
06:23<brianwillis1984>couldnt open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13permision denied
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06:23<jm_>as root
06:23<brianwillis1984>uare u root
06:23<brianwillis1984>how do i root
06:23<jm_>su -
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06:24<brianwillis1984>ok
06:24<brianwillis1984>now im rooted
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06:24<jm_>run the command again
06:25<brianwillis1984>0 upgrades 0 installed 0 to remove and 0 not upraded
06:25<brianwillis1984>it says its the newest verison
06:27<jm_>so you do have it installed, run "pccardctl ident" as root (without ")
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06:28<brianwillis1984>it says -su: ident: command not found -su: pccardct : commannd not found
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06:29<jm_>PCCARDCTL IDENT all lowercase, and please use a decent font
06:30<jm_>it's one command: pccardctl ident<enter>
06:30<brianwillis1984> says no product info available for both sockets
06:30<jm_>huh
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06:32<brianwillis1984>jm_: so i have to be online in order to use this?
06:32<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: What about "pccardctl ls"? Do you see "CardBus card" returned?
06:32<jm_>brianwillis1984: what do you mean?
06:32<jm_>brianwillis1984: is your card in the slot now?
06:32<brianwillis1984>yea
06:32<brianwillis1984>and has been
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06:33<brianwillis1984>and all i see is yenta_cardbus thats all i see for cardbusss
06:33<brianwillis1984>it also says
06:34<brianwillis1984>cardbus card --see "lspci" for more info
06:34<Rabz>hi
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06:36<Rabz>how do i work this thing??
06:36<petemc>shake it
06:36<brianwillis1984>rofl
06:36<Rabz>careful....i was already contemplating doing that
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06:37<Rabz>lol
06:37<brianwillis1984>give it flying lessons
06:37<brianwillis1984>lol
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06:37<brianwillis1984>thats what im about ready to do
06:37<Rabz>haha i just got it fixed after the last failed attempt lol - hence ubuntu
06:38<brianwillis1984>u had a hard time with ubuntu
06:38<Rabz>no
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06:38<Rabz>had a hard time with xp getting viruses
06:38<brianwillis1984>jm_: does this machine have to be online in order to work?
06:38<Rabz>threw the lappy against the wall then got my brother to do linux
06:39<jm_>brianwillis1984: I don't understand your question
06:39<brianwillis1984>jm_: why is the pcmcia card so important
06:39<Rabz>of course u has to be online this is the interwebs isnt it :s
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06:40<brianwillis1984>rabz: i havent a hard time with this verison of linux on my lappy
06:40<brianwillis1984>rabz: its about to learn how to fly here in a minute lol
06:40<Rabz>lol ok
06:41<Rabz>never been on irc b4 so forgive me if i seem a little vague or just plain dumb
06:41<jm_>brianwillis1984: well I thought that's how you wanted to connect, wireless
06:42<brianwillis1984>jm_: to be blunt i just want to see how this verison of linux is then ill try to atleast to get online
06:42<brianwillis1984>rabz:im still noobish to irc
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06:42<jm_>brianwillis1984: you could install from CD-s
06:42<Rabz>i dont even know what version of linux ubuntu whatever it is i've got on mine....the newest one im guessing
06:43<brianwillis1984>jm_: i did and this is what it brought me to
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06:43<jm_>brianwillis1984: yeah but you have a CD with very limited amount of software
06:43<Rabz>sorry but whats a cd-s
06:44<brianwillis1984>jm_: this is where i got it from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
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06:46<petern>you need to go online to install more software, see...
06:46<petern>such as a desktop environment
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06:47<Rabz>firefox wont work for me right now :(
06:47<Rabz>stupid thing stops responding
06:47<jm_>brianwillis1984: yes, that's the one, that's why there's nothing beyond the base installed
06:47<brianwillis1984>okay so i have to make another iso disk
06:47<themill>Rabz: you'll get more help with ubuntu in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
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06:48<jm_>brianwillis1984: alternatively, since this thing also has ethernet you could use that
06:48<brianwillis1984>hense thats why we are trying to get on the net right
06:49<jm_>well that would make installing more software piece of cake
06:49<brianwillis1984>ok
06:49<brianwillis1984>well is there away to install the drivers from a disc
06:49<brianwillis1984>cause i think that is what the problem is
06:50<brianwillis1984>the computer dont see the pcmcia card
06:50<jm_>well that's what I was trying to do but none of the tools list your pcmcia card - can't you use ethernet instead - at least for now?
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06:52<brianwillis1984>jm_:this lappy is so old it dont have a onboard ethernet just so u know what im working with here are the specs on the card http://www.cnetusa.com/eng/CNF401.php
06:53<jm_>brianwillis1984: but it does: ethernet controller:realtek semiconductor co., ltd. rtl
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06:53<brianwillis1984>thats what im saying? where in the heck is that lol
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06:54<brianwillis1984>jm_: here is what the lappy is...its all the tech info i can find http://www.epinions.com/cmd-review-3275-56E7B6E-389335DF-prod1
06:54<jm_>wait, maybe that's your pcmcia card
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06:56<jm_>brianwillis1984: can you give me lspci -nn numbers for this card? just the part in [] like [10de:0422]
06:57<brianwillis1984>here is the detail on this laptop tell and shows u everything http://www.orphanlaptops.com/mp989.htm
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06:57<brianwillis1984>0200
06:58<brianwillis1984>10ec:8139 ?
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06:59<brianwillis1984>jm_:fyi there is no faxmodem
06:59<jm_>let me see
07:00<brianwillis1984>how
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07:01<jm_>hmm that's plain rtl8139 chip - are you sure there's no ethernet on it?
07:01<JoaoPedro_GNU>hello
07:01<aetheria>ip link show dev eth0 "link: error fetching interface information: Device not found" yet ifconfig shows eth0 present
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07:01<brianwillis1984>jm_: lets make this easy i have my stream up come and u will see what i see http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tater-pc-talk
07:02<jm_>brianwillis1984: that won't work for me now (I am at work)
07:02<brianwillis1984>k
07:02<aetheria>in fact "ip link show" shows no interfaces whatsoever
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07:03<jm_>brianwillis1984: do you know how ethernet connector looks like?
07:03<brianwillis1984>well if anyone wants to see my screen and maybe could help by seeing come over http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tater-pc-talk
07:04<brianwillis1984>hmmm?
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07:04<brianwillis1984>dont know i dont think
07:05<jm_>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Network_card.jpg you can see it there
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07:06<brianwillis1984>yea i have one of those in the basement never knew what it was lol
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07:07<brianwillis1984>jm_:what do u want me to do with that
07:08<jm_>brianwillis1984: well you could use that to connect your laptop to your router if it is an option
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07:09<brianwillis1984>yea but aint that for a desktop computer not a laptop
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07:09<brianwillis1984>are u saying hook that into my desktop and hook the laptop into that card
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07:09<brianwillis1984>like a bridge
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07:10<jm_>well if your desktop will do IP forwarding it can work
07:10<brianwillis1984>desk top is xp so i never really got into that to much
07:11<jm_>what kind of router do you have?
07:11<brianwillis1984>linksys
07:11<brianwillis1984>blue box
07:12<brianwillis1984>is it possible to hook a usb up too it and forward and receive info that way
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07:12<brianwillis1984>for the desktop to lappy
07:12<jm_>right you can connect laptopt directly to it with ethernet cable
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07:13<brianwillis1984>not usb
07:13<jm_>no not usb
07:13<brianwillis1984>ill try that way later on today
07:13<jm_>(that's also doable, but I doubt your router has support for it)
07:14<brianwillis1984>but in the mean time is there anyother way to do this
07:14<brianwillis1984>i mean i have the drivers right here on a disc
07:14<jm_>drivers for windows right?
07:14<brianwillis1984>and this card does support linux
07:14<brianwillis1984>i gave u the link
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07:15<brianwillis1984>dont know what this means but it also packet driver
07:15<jm_>yes that's for windows - perhaps it would work using ndiswrapper
07:15<brianwillis1984>ok lets try it
07:15<brianwillis1984>how do he do it
07:16<brianwillis1984>it says right on the box that it supports linux
07:16<jm_>I have never done it, but try this http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper
07:16<brianwillis1984>it supports windows 95 too lol
07:16<jm_>yeah that's what makes me wonder
07:17<brianwillis1984>ok so u want me to install module assistants wireless tools?
07:17<jm_>well you'll need to download it and transfer it to the laptop via CD or so
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07:18<brianwillis1984>ok ill try it
07:18<jm_>brianwillis1984: do you have 8139 module loaded?
07:18<brianwillis1984>how do i load it
07:18<jm_>I am an idiot, it's not wireless at all :P
07:18<jm_>brianwillis1984: lsmod|grep 8139
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07:19<jm_>it even says so: CNF401 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet CardBus Adapter - so ethernet cable is your only choice
07:19<jm_>and it has RJ45 port
07:19<brianwillis1984>yea
07:19<brianwillis1984>okay so i did that and what do u want to know
07:19<jm_>does it say anything?
07:19<brianwillis1984>yea says
07:20<brianwillis1984>8139cp 21920 0
07:20<brianwillis1984>8130too 25120 o
07:20<jm_>ok, type this: ls /sys/class/net
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07:20<brianwillis1984>mi i 5344 2 8139cp,8139too
07:21<brianwillis1984>it said
07:21<brianwillis1984>eth0 lo
07:21<jm_>ok so the driver is there alright
07:21<jm_>and can see the card
07:21<brianwillis1984>okay so we are makeing progress?
07:21<jm_>you need ethernet cable
07:22<brianwillis1984>i have the card plugged in and wired to the router
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07:22<brianwillis1984>its just the card is not turning on?im guessing?
07:22<jm_>man I can't believe we wasted so much time ;P
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07:22<jm_>brianwillis1984: does it have IP? type: ifconfig eth0<enter>
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07:23<brianwillis1984>etho: error fetching interface information:device not found
07:24<jm_>eth0 as in E T H ZERO
07:24<brianwillis1984>oh duh
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07:24<brianwillis1984>ok what are u looking for
07:24<jm_>does it have an IP? such as inet addr:1.2.3.4
07:24<brianwillis1984>hmmmm
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07:24<brianwillis1984>not that i see
07:25<brianwillis1984>i see this tho
07:25<jm_>ok type: ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver
07:25<brianwillis1984>hwaddr 00:08:a1:b4:c7:db
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07:26<jm_>ok so no inet addr on the next line?
07:26<brianwillis1984>ok?
07:27<jm_>what did ls show?
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07:27<brianwillis1984>i see 0000:02:00.0 bind module new_id unbind
07:28<brianwillis1984>this would be easy if u where aloud to see my stream :P
07:28<jm_>ok let's forget that - run this: cat /etc/network/interfaces
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07:29<brianwillis1984>no such file or dir.
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07:29<jm_>are you sure you typed it correctly?
07:29<brianwillis1984>cat/etc/interfaces
07:30<brianwillis1984>sorry
07:30<jm_>no it's cat /etc/network/interfaces<enter>
07:30<brianwillis1984>cat/etc/network/interfaces
07:30<brianwillis1984>cat space?
07:30<jm_>with space between t and /
07:30<jm_>yeah
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07:30<brianwillis1984>okay what do u want to know
07:31<jm_>does it mention eth0?
07:31<brianwillis1984>no
07:31<brianwillis1984>all i see
07:31<brianwillis1984>auto lo
07:31<brianwillis1984>iface lo inet loopback
07:31<jm_>ok, edit the file and add two lines
07:31<brianwillis1984>k?
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07:31<jm_>auto eth0
07:31<jm_>iface eth0-work inet dhcp
07:32<jm_>sorry iface eth0 inet dhcp
07:32<brianwillis1984>cant edit
07:32<jm_>without -work
07:32<brianwillis1984>brought me to the root
07:32<jm_>ok then do this(make sure to type it exactly as it is): echo auto eth0 >> /etc/network/interfaces<enter>echo iface eth0 inet dhcp >>iface eth0 inet dhcp<enter>
07:33<jm_>that's fucked
07:33<brianwillis1984>type with the >>
07:33<jm_>ok then do this(make sure to type it exactly as it is): echo auto eth0 >> /etc/network/interfaces<enter>echo iface eth0 inet dhcp >>/etc/network/interfaces<enter>
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07:33<jm_>this is the correct one - yes >> is very important, twice > not just once!
07:33<brianwillis1984>k
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07:34<brianwillis1984>space after >> on the first line?
07:35<jm_>then use the cat command again to verify the file is OK, it should look like this: http://pastebin.com/m7cb1b676
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07:35<jm_>doesn't matter
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07:36<brianwillis1984>shit
07:37<brianwillis1984>i messed up on the beging
07:37<brianwillis1984>i type echo auto eth00 >>/etc/network/interfaces
07:37<jm_>ok just type: echo auto eth0 >>/etc/network/interfaces
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07:38<jm_>and verify the file with cat when you're done
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07:40<brianwillis1984>ok now i got
07:40<brianwillis1984>auto lo
07:40<brianwillis1984>iface lo inet loopback
07:40<brianwillis1984>auto eth00
07:41<brianwillis1984>auto eth0
07:41<brianwillis1984>iface eth0 inet dhcp
07:41<brianwillis1984>thats it
07:41<brianwillis1984>now how do we get the auto eth00 out of there
07:42<jm_>good, now type: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0<enter>
07:42<jm_>don't worry about that for now
07:42<mjk_>Argh! I just installed all web browsers available in Debian testing, and now my user has Gnome instead of the previous fvwm2 -- how do I revert to fvwm2 w/o removing the Gnome stuff? An ~/.xinitrc with "fvwm" doesn't seem to work. :-(
07:42<jm_>mjk_: how do you start X?
07:42<mjk_>jm_: via xdm
07:42<brianwillis1984>alright
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07:43<jm_>mjk_: xdm should honour ~/.xsession IIRC - are you sure the command is fvwm?
07:43<brianwillis1984>i think its working
07:43<brianwillis1984>hmmm
07:43<brianwillis1984>maybe not
07:44<brianwillis1984>no dhcpoffers received
07:44<mjk_>jm_: YESSS!
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07:44<brianwillis1984>no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
07:44<mjk_>jm_: .xsession worked (while .xinitrc did not)! Thanks a million! The Gnome nightmare is over ... 8-)
07:44*mjk_ kisses jm_ from all directions. =)
07:44<jm_>brianwillis1984: is your router configured to give IP-s via DHCP?
07:45<jm_>enjoy ;)
07:45<mjk_>=)
07:45<brianwillis1984>jm_: dunno
07:45<soc>hi
07:45<brianwillis1984>jm_:but notice there wasnt anylights on the pc card light up
07:46<soc>where do the file /var/lib/gconf/defaults/%gconf-tree.xml and /var/lib/gconf/debian/defaults/%gconf-tree.xml come from?
07:46<soc>gconf2-common seems to install the directory, but not the files
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07:47<jm_>brianwillis1984: hmm
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07:47<brianwillis1984>i can reset all off the internet and be back
07:47<brianwillis1984>shut the net down and resend the ip to all computers
07:48<jm_>brianwillis1984: no that won't help - do you have ethtool installed?
07:48<brianwillis1984>jm_:dunno
07:49<jm_>brianwillis1984: so type ethtool<enter>
07:49<brianwillis1984>cant
07:49<brianwillis1984>its trying again
07:49<tan>fff
07:50<brianwillis1984>hmm
07:50<brianwillis1984>command not found
07:50<brianwillis1984>on ethtool
07:51<mjk_>brianwillis1984: aptitude install ethtool
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07:51<brianwillis1984>couldnt find any package whose name or description match "ethtool"
07:52<jm_>mjk_: he only has the base installed for now
07:52<jm_>brianwillis1984: check what does the kernel driver say for this in the output of dmesg command
07:53<brianwillis1984>type dmesg?
07:53<eightyei1ht>so, has their been a scheduled release date for lenny, now that's it's been voted on to move forward? if so, when? sometime this year?
07:53<jm_>yeah
07:53<brianwillis1984>ok i did that
07:53<eightyei1ht>s/their/there/
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07:55<brianwillis1984>jm_:what do u want to knwo
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07:56<brianwillis1984>it keeps doing the eht0 link up
07:57<jm_>brianwillis1984: continuously?
07:57<brianwillis1984>yes
07:57<brianwillis1984>it stoped now but no root?
07:57<jm_>what do you mean no root?
07:57<brianwillis1984>ok i hit enter
07:57<brianwillis1984>i got the root back
07:58<brianwillis1984>debian~#
07:58<jm_>try ifdown -a; ifup -a<enter>
07:59<brianwillis1984>ok
07:59<sheldonh>why yes it is :)
07:59<brianwillis1984>its doing interval to 255.255.255.255
08:00<brianwillis1984>no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
08:00<aetheria>soc: dpkg -S <full path to file> to find out which package it belongs to
08:01<brianwillis1984>no dhcpoffers received
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08:01<sheldonh>gsimmons: why yes it is (bug 511076) :)
08:02<jm_>brianwillis1984: hmm this could be a driver issue or a hardware issue
08:02<brianwillis1984>jm_:yea...like i was saying early is there away to install the drivers from the cd i have here
08:03<brianwillis1984>afk gimme a sec
08:03<jm_>brianwillis1984: no idea, but the kernel has the driver for this thing so there's little point
08:04<brianwillis1984>jm_: well i have a wireless card also
08:04<brianwillis1984>jm_: want me to try that?
08:05<jm_>brianwillis1984: well why not
08:05<brianwillis1984>jm_: lol let me see
08:06<brianwillis1984>jm_: here the prob. i have a wired router on right now...is there away that i can have both the wired and wireless router on at the same time
08:06<brianwillis1984>oh i dont know maybe take the cord from this and hook it into the internet port on the wirelss
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08:07<brianwillis1984>or u can give me a sec so i can shut the net down and hook the wireless up
08:07<includer>help
08:07<includer>#help
08:07<jm_>brianwillis1984: yeah that should be doable, take your time - but maybe we'll have to continue this tomorrow since I'll be gone in about an hour
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08:08<brianwillis1984>let me hurry and shut the net down and get back up and running the most it would take me is atleast 3mins
08:08<brianwillis1984>be back soon
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08:11<brianwillis1984>ok back
08:12<brianwillis1984>jm_: no what do we do
08:12<jm_>brianwillis1984: is the wlan card in?
08:12<brianwillis1984>yup
08:12<jm_>run lspci
08:12<brianwillis1984>same stuff like last time
08:12<brianwillis1984>and this card doesnt light up
08:13<jm_>how about "pccardctl ident" or "pccardctl ls"?
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08:14<brianwillis1984>no product into availabe
08:15<brianwillis1984>nothing
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08:15<brianwillis1984>jm_: im thinking its going to be a driver issue
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08:16<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: What is your wireless device? (brand/model, revision if known)
08:16<brianwillis1984>netgear wg511 v2
08:16<brianwillis1984>pc card
08:17<jm_>ahh
08:17<jm_>is that atheros?
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08:17<brianwillis1984>linksys wrt54g v2.2 router
08:18<brianwillis1984>atheros?
08:18<gsimmons>jm_, brianwillis1984: No, it's Marvell. Which has no native driver, IIRC.
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08:18<gsimmons>!wg511
08:18<dpkg>The WG511 is a model of (at least four) wireless PCMCIA cards produced by Netgear. Visit http://daemonizer.de/prism54/wg511 for for descriptions, chipset details and pictures of each. Ask me about <prism54> for WG511 v1 or WG511 v2 cards, see <p54> for WG511 v3. Ask me about <ndiswrapper> if you have a WG511v2.
08:18<jm_>so ndiswrapper then
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08:19<brianwillis1984>command not found
08:19<brianwillis1984>omg is this a headache
08:19<jm_>yes it is, if only ethernet worked ...
08:19<brianwillis1984>hahaha
08:20<aetheria>dude what is the issue?
08:20<brianwillis1984>ill have jm_ tell u
08:20<brianwillis1984>im dumb founded right now
08:20<aetheria>i mean, is this a new install of debian, you have no net?
08:20<brianwillis1984>yea new install no net or desktop
08:21<aetheria>ok, when you were installing, did you have the cable connected?
08:21<brianwillis1984>yes
08:21<valdyn>its alread written here few lines above that he needs ndiswrapper
08:21<aetheria>and when it got to the network config part, did it configure it?
08:21<valdyn>( or was there another nic ? )
08:22<brianwillis1984>dont remeber if i did
08:22<aetheria>(i thought there is an onboard rt8139)
08:22<brianwillis1984>no
08:22<aetheria>do you remember what happened?
08:22<jm_>valdyn: he has two, wireless and ethernet pc-card, ethernet didn't get DHCP offer (it also reports link-up many times)
08:22<brianwillis1984>there is no form of ethernet or wireless other than my cards
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08:22<jm_>aetheria: 8139 is also pc-card
08:23<valdyn>brianwillis1984: your pccard is a pci device, dont need any pccard tool
08:23<aetheria>brianwillis1984: and your router is running dhcp?
08:23<brianwillis1984>let me find out real quick
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08:24<jm_>yeah it looks like 8139 driver found it, but it didn't work, perhaps newer version needs to be used
08:24<valdyn>jm_: many times? as in link-down many times too?
08:24<valdyn>jm_: that doesnt make much sense
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08:26<jm_>valdyn: yup, very weird
08:26<brianwillis1984>DHCP Server: Enable
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08:26<aetheria>brianwillis1984: and when you plug the cable in, does the link light come on green?
08:26<brianwillis1984>cable?
08:26<brianwillis1984>what cable
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08:26<aetheria>the ethernet cable
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08:26<brianwillis1984>im on the wireless
08:27<jm_>brianwillis1984: they are asking for previous attempt with the other card
08:27<brianwillis1984>but when i was on the wired on no
08:27<aetheria>can't you plug in the ethernet?
08:27<valdyn>brianwillis1984: youre not going to get that wlan chip going without ndiswrapper
08:27<valdyn>brianwillis1984: that is what dpkg just said
08:27<brianwillis1984>okay let me hook up the wired one
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08:27<jm_>another thing to try would be 8139cp driver if it can handle the card
08:27<norbert_>hi all; anyone here using voipbuster under Linux (and if so, how?? linphone?)
08:28<aetheria>brianwillis1984: i recommend plugging it in, make *sure* the link light is on, and reinstall debian. this time be sure it goes through the network setup correctly
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08:28<aetheria>brianwillis1984: are you installing lenny or etch?
08:28<jm_>aetheria: he has it configured for DHCP now, but there is some other low level issue with it
08:28<brianwillis1984>dont know
08:28<aetheria>where did you get the debian CD?
08:29<brianwillis1984>off of linux
08:29<aetheria>wtf
08:29<aetheria>you don't know how you got it?
08:29<brianwillis1984>haha i download it off of the linux with a iso
08:29<jm_>he has etch I think
08:29<aetheria>what is "the linux"?
08:29<brianwillis1984>do u want me to give u the link
08:29<jm_>brianwillis1984: uname -r says 2.6.18 right?
08:29<aetheria>yeah
08:30<brianwillis1984>give me sec
08:30<brianwillis1984>do what jm
08:30<jm_>brianwillis1984: uname -r
08:30<brianwillis1984>where do i find that
08:30<jm_>it's a command you run
08:31<aetheria>brianwillis1984: i *highly* recommend installing this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
08:31<aetheria>its the latest version of debian
08:31<aetheria>make sure the network cable is plugged in when you run the setup
08:31<brianwillis1984>aetheria: this is where i downloaded http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
08:31<aetheria>also make sure its a good cable you're using, not something the dog chewed on, etc. :-)
08:32<brianwillis1984>jm_: is 2.6.18-6-686
08:32<jm_>brianwillis1984: right
08:32<aetheria>brianwillis1984: that is an older version
08:32<brianwillis1984>aetheria: wtf u think this is lol....this is a fairly new cord
08:32<aetheria>ok, good to know :-)
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08:33<aetheria>i recommend not wasting more time and just install the newer version.
08:33<brianwillis1984>do u want to watch me redownload this again
08:33<brianwillis1984>via ustream.tv
08:33<aetheria>get the i386 netinst image here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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08:34<aetheria>also, make sure your BIOS on your machine doesn't have any tweaked settings, like the PCI disabled
08:34<jm_>I wonder if that'll really work
08:34<brianwillis1984>aetheria: that was my last cd that i had
08:34<brianwillis1984>so yea
08:35<jm_>brianwillis1984: no this is newer than what you have
08:35<themill>aetheria: "testing" is not the latest version of debian. Be careful what you're setting people up to do.
08:35<brianwillis1984>jm_: i understand that but i have no more blank cd's to burn
08:35<brianwillis1984>:(
08:36<aetheria>do you have a usb key?
08:36<themill>aetheria: it is an unreleased preview of what will one day become the next version
08:36<norbert_>hi all; anyone here using voipbuster under Linux (and if so, how?? linphone?)
08:36<jm_>brianwillis1984: no rewritables?
08:36<valdyn>norbert_: its a windows only program, why would anyone use it on linux?
08:36<brianwillis1984>jm_: how do i reinstall this verison
08:36<brianwillis1984>or delet this
08:37<aetheria>just put the cd in and reboot
08:37<norbert_>valdyn: voipbuster is also a service, not just a program; I'm referring to the service
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08:37<aetheria>brianwillis1984: are you using the i386 netinst image?
08:38<brianwillis1984>aetheria: no I HAVE NO MORE BLANK CD'S
08:38<brianwillis1984>to be burning
08:38<aetheria>no, i'm asking which one did you download and burn?
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08:39<aetheria>well, i guess it wouldn't be running if it wasn't 386
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08:39<brianwillis1984>holy f*ck....what part are u have problem understanding.......i downloaded it but i CANT burn it CAUSE i dont have anymore cd to be burning on
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08:40<aetheria>brianwillis1984: so wait, how did you get it installed?
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08:41<brianwillis1984>aetheria: i used my last disc i had just to download that one i downloaded the smallest one cause i only have a 12 gig hard drive
08:41<aetheria>WHICH ONE DID YOU DOWNLOAD?
08:42<brianwillis1984>jm_: can u tell him my verison
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08:42<brianwillis1984>jm_: can u fill him in
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08:44<brianwillis1984>aetheria: can u give me a sec so i can get my cam up and u can watch on what is going on....on my screen
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08:45<aetheria>brianwillis1984: its ok
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08:45<aetheria>its not necessary
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08:45<brianwillis1984>well im sorry for getting cocky with u
08:45<aetheria>you don't remember if the cable was connected when you ran the install?
08:45<brianwillis1984>just getting mad at this stuipd old ass computer
08:46<aetheria>i just recommend redoing it with the cable connected
08:46<brianwillis1984>thats what im doing
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08:46<brianwillis1984>with the old verison
08:46<aetheria>if it fails to configure the interface during the install, come back here for help
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08:46<aetheria>yeah use the old version you have
08:46<bremner>is a D-Link WDA (Atheros 5212) a reasonable bet for lenny? it seems to be supported by madwifi and ath5k, but I saw some comment about missing tkip support
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08:46<valdyn>bremner: the ath5k driver suck
08:46<valdyn>bremner: the ath5k driver sucks
08:47<aetheria>yeah /me also reverted back to madwifi after issues with ath5k
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08:47<brianwillis1984>did someone wanted me to check something out in the bios
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08:48<aetheria>brianwillis1984: i just recommend to make sure that nothing is disabled, like PCI. if necessary, reset it to default values should be good.
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08:48<aetheria>if someone messed with the settings, it could have an effect
08:49<aetheria>so just select the option to restore to default settings
08:49<brianwillis1984>k i loaded setup defaults
08:49<valdyn>bremner: somehow only intel chipset works satisfying for me, rt2x00 and ath do not. But that might be because the intel chip also has some extremely nice antenna in thinkpads
08:50<aetheria>if the ethernet card a pc card or built in?
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08:50<bremner>valdyn: I too have good experience with intel chipsets. But do they make pci cards?
08:50<brianwillis1984>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r5 "Etch" - Official Multi-architecture
08:50<brianwillis1984> i386/amd64/powerpc NETINST #1 20081024-00:51
08:50<valdyn>bremner: no, just mini-pci for all i know
08:50<wxl-hc>my net is so bad ,is there anyone see my words?
08:50<brianwillis1984>thats what i got
08:50<aetheria>the iwlwifi intel chips
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08:51<valdyn>bremner: rt2x00 and ath might even be ok, if the rate control algorithm in the driver wasnt that bad
08:51<aetheria>brianwillis1984: that's good
08:51<valdyn>bremner: that part is about to be changed though in newer kernels, guess i will see later..
08:51<bremner>valdyn: that part = ath5k?
08:51<brianwillis1984>aetheria that is the disc i downloaded off of the net that is what i was working on
08:52<brianwillis1984>earlier
08:52<aetheria>ok
08:52<valdyn>bremner: ath5k and rt2x00 both suffer from the same rate control stuff in the same driver stack
08:52<bremner>valdyn: I see.
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08:53<bremner>valdyn, aetheria: well, I can live with madwifi for the moment if it works ok
08:53<valdyn>bremner: it probably does, i havent tried it for a while
08:54<brianwillis1984>aetheria: can i pm u
08:54<aetheria>ok
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08:56<wxl-hc>i want a software that can change mp3 to wma ,can anyone tell me the name of the software?
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08:57<nosklo>wxl-hc, why? wma sucks.
08:58<wxl-hc>i am sorry ,i am a chinese ,i english is not so good ,
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08:59<aetheria>wxl-hc: ogg is much better than wma
08:59<wxl-hc>thanks
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09:00<nosklo>wxl-hc, you generally want to avoid wma
09:00<wxl-hc>but i always listen the music on my phone
09:00<aetheria>wxl-hc: apt-cache search mp3 |egrep -i convert
09:00<nosklo>wxl-hc, your phone can't play mp3?
09:00<wxl-hc>no ,my phone's disk is small
09:00<jm_>but you can probably use mencoder for wma, or xcfa
09:00<nosklo>wxl-hc, then convert to a mp3 with lower bitrate
09:01<nosklo>wxl-hc, variable bitrate seems to get better quality vs size ratio
09:01<wxl-hc>wu,you mean i can change the qulity of mp3 lower?
09:01<wxl-hc>am i right?
09:01<nosklo>wxl-hc, yes, you reduce quality of mp3 (or of some parts of mp3, if you use variable bitrate) to reduce file size
09:02<wxl-hc>thank you very much!!
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09:03<wxl-hc>yeh ,what is the chat tools you use?
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09:03<nosklo>wxl-hc, emacs
09:03<wxl-hc>in china we use QQ to talk with!
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09:04<nosklo>wxl-hc, I tried to get a QQ account once, but the webpage is too much confusing
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09:05<wxl-hc>oh ,are you in USA?
09:05<wxl-hc>or else?
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09:05<wxl-hc>maybe QQ only can used in china
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09:07<nosklo>wxl-hc, it can be used, just not easy to register without knowing chinese language
09:07<wxl-hc>oh i can help you!!
09:08<wxl-hc>but QQ only has the chinese language
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09:09<superjet_busy>nosbig_: just forget it, qq totally sucks
09:09<superjet_busy>nosbig_: sorry
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09:09<brianwillis1984>hey dumb question but my network would have the same ip address for all of my computers right?
09:09<superjet_busy>it's should for nosklo
09:09<weasel>brianwillis1984: sure it could, but then nothing would work.
09:09<weasel>brianwillis1984: so "no"
09:10<brianwillis1984>reason for asking is cause im going to manualy configure my network
09:10<nosklo>wxl-hc, register for jabber, it can be used in any country/language
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09:12<shiva>hi, can someone tell me can i downgrade from unstable to stable?
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09:13<jm_>brianwillis1984: better use DHCP
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09:13<brianwillis1984>ok how
09:13<nosklo>shiva, no simple way.
09:13<jm_>configure network automatically? answer yes
09:13<brianwillis1984>fails
09:13<brianwillis1984>im going in manually and doing it
09:13<shiva>nosklo, can i then downgrade from unstable to testing?
09:14<jm_>I doubt manually will work
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09:14<brianwillis1984>worth a shot
09:14<nosklo>shiva, you can but you'll have a lot of work
09:15<simonrvn>!downgrade
09:15<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
09:15<simonrvn>shiva: ^^^
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09:15<shiva>!partial downgrade
09:15<dpkg>This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'
09:15<shiva>damn
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09:17<simonrvn>it's a long involved process ...
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09:19<rootmos>does anyone have a backup program to recommend? My only requirement is that i am able to restore the system via a bootcd (and it would be nice if the bootcd had the program to do the restore)
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09:21<Lethalman>rootmos: use tar or dd, then a livecd
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09:21<valdyn>rootmos: mondo
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09:23<valdyn>rootmos: mondo for your system, something else for your ( personal ) data
09:23<aetheria>what's the name of the other 8139 module, not the 8139too one?
09:23<valdyn>cp
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09:24<rootmos>ok, thanks
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09:26<aetheria>it looks like the installer loaded both the 8139too module and the 8139cp one
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09:28<enouf>aetheria: i've seen that occur many many times with ubuntu users (when i used to hang in ##linux on freenode)
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09:28<aetheria>this is the debian etch multi-arch netinst installer
09:29<enouf>ok - well - pulled/leftover from some old code :-P
09:29<enouf>aetheria: you are aware of /msg dpkg blacklist{-initramfs} ?
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09:30<simonrvn>wtf
09:30<enouf>wt4x!
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09:30<aetheria>blacklist{-initramfs} I give up, what is it?
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09:36<sheldonh>aetheria: you type: /msg dpkg blacklist
09:36<sheldonh>aetheria: watch for a private chat window labelled dpkg
09:36<sheldonh>aetheria: switch to and read the contents of that window
09:36<aetheria>thanks
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09:49<CoolBSD>聽說 強烈冷氣團報到
09:49<CoolBSD>大家要多多小心感冒耶
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09:57<nosklo>CoolBSD, frio?
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10:02<enouf>aetheria: what i wrote can be expanded to two; blacklist and blacklist-initramfs .. it's a shell expansion syntax (as best i can explain it)
10:03<aetheria>enouf: i eventually guessed that. thanks
10:03<enouf>aetheria: np
10:03<aetheria>actually, i have a related question - i need to embed a variable in another variable
10:04<aetheria>like $(value1$(value2)) will that work?
10:04<enouf>i'm not great with shells, but some/many here are - there's also #bash on freenode if needed
10:04<aetheria>true. i will try that later
10:04<enouf>well, you want to be a bit more specific
10:04<enouf>what you wrote is more like nested variables
10:05<enouf>so you don't need 1000 escapes using backticks ` `
10:06<aetheria>i'm going to have variables like host1ipaddr host2ipaddr host1mac host2mac
10:06<aetheria>i can just string them together actually
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10:07<aetheria>but i wanted to do something like host=host1 then just refer to $host$ipaddr
10:07<aetheria>$host$ipaddr should expand to $host1ipaddr
10:07<enouf>sure
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10:13<ranix>A procedure I'm following calls for use of the "udevadm" command, but I do not appear to have this and apt-cache search does not turn it up. What is udevadm and how can I get it / replicate its effects? I'm running Lenny
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10:15<base>hi all
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10:15<base>I have a question...
10:15<SlimeyPete>Don't ask to ask. Just ask :)
10:15<base>you're right
10:15<base>is there anybody who has tried to connect to msn via ayttm?
10:18<ranix>nobody knows what "udevadm" is?
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10:20<nosklo>ranix, man udevadm
10:21<nosklo>ranix, the man software does
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10:24<jp>exit
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10:26<themill>ranix: it's in /sbin (it's in the udev package and I'll guarantee that you have that installed)
10:26<themill>ranix: apt-file is your friend...
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10:30<ranix>oooooooh my fault my fault, I'm running etch
10:30<ranix>apt file was showing no hits
10:30<ranix>thanks nosklo, themill
10:31<ranix>etch had udevsettle instead of udevadm iirc
10:31<themill>yes
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10:36<sheldonh>enouf: i think there was a comma missing from your shell glob :)
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10:37<path>is there any document repository document system ? such as google books
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10:40<enouf>i globbed? so sorry
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10:42<dgodfather>hi guys, can anyone help me please, it seems Deluge sends packets of the new state into the system
10:42<dgodfather>only when i enable the new state for tcp in my firewall, does it work. it seems wrong to me
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10:43<dgodfather>does anyone know what i am talking about? i havent found stuff on that in google
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10:45<base> I try to connect to MSN via Ayttm and I've set server to messenger.hotmail.com and port to 1863 but attempting to connect make Ayttm blocking: is there a reason?
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10:48<base>I try to connect to MSN via Ayttm and I've set server to messenger.hotmail.com and port to 1863 but attempting to connect make Ayttm blocking: is there a reason?
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11:01<base>is there anyone who use Ayttm?
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11:05<enouf>base: another place might be ##linux on freenode you can try
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11:06<enouf>base: or #amsn ? there?
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11:11<enouf>base: that's ok - but please don't pm people without asking 1st, it's bad netiquette - if someone CAN answer, they usually will - be patient , thanks
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11:17<enouf>base: you might even try ##networking channels (on various networks) try also searching googlegroups
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11:36<gutierrezjs>Hello everyone
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11:37<sundown>gutierrezjs: hi
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11:37<gutierrezjs>Hi Sundown, I wasn't sure if there was anyone in here...
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11:39<gutierrezjs>where are you from sundown?
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11:39<sundown>gutierrezjs: be sure - yes, Russia
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11:40<gutierrezjs>I'm from the U.S.
11:40<sundown>gutierrezjs: I am happy!
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11:41<sundown>gutierrezjs: What should I do?
11:41<gutierrezjs>what do you mean what should I do?
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11:42<sundown>gutierrezjs: work, live..
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11:52<astronut>!question
11:52<dpkg>You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>.. See http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=65&Set=64
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12:04<Stuckey>This is a random question, but I was just curious if anyone knows if why sometimes when you copy and paste something between different programs/windows you end up without the same thing you copied but with funny looking vertical-rectangles with numbers inside of them?
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12:04<fxiny>Stuckey: mc ?
12:05<Stuckey>fxiny, what do you mean MC?
12:05<fxiny>mc is midnight commander
12:05<Stuckey>Yes but what does that have to do with the question?
12:05<fxiny>are you using mc and utf8 ?
12:06<Stuckey>I use MC sometimes, but not often; what's UFT8?
12:06<fxiny>Stuckey: where this rectangle appear ?
12:07<Stuckey>For example, I copy something out of gmail into xchat...
12:07<Stuckey>It appears on the little box where I'm typing this text right now, but it doesn't appear in the text windows where you're now reading this.
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12:08<cahoot>Stuckey: locale | grep LANG
12:09<Stuckey>I get LANG=en_US.UTF-8
12:09<cahoot>see - you use utf8
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12:09<Stuckey>What's that mean?
12:09<enouf>you need fonts
12:10<Stuckey>I see... but what's utf8?
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12:14<cahoot>http://developers.sun.com/dev/gadc/technicalpublications/articles/utf8.html
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12:32<mike>cananyone walk me through blacklisting a soudncard?
12:33<cahoot>!blacklist
12:33<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
12:34<cahoot>don't miss the <blacklist-initramfs> part
12:34<mike>ok so just add blacklist hda_intel to the file?
12:34<cahoot>don't miss the <blacklist-initramfs> part
12:35<mike>ok so how do i ask him about it haha
12:35<cahoot> try /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs
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12:37<Stuckey>Anyone know of a .doc to .pdf (or other usable file format) converter?
12:37<stew>Stuckey: uniconv which is part of openoffice.org
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12:38<stew>Stuckey: iirc, "uniconf -f pdf --stdout foo.doc > foo.pdf"
12:38<stew>err uniconv, not uniconf
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12:39<Stuckey>Danke
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12:41<themill>stew: is that in debian?
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12:43<stew>themill: yes
12:44<themill>I'm just failing to find it with apt-file. (in lenny)
12:44<stew>themill: but its actually called unoconv
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12:44<themill>ah
12:44<stew>Stuckey: ^^ sorry, unoconv is the one
12:44<Stuckey>unovonv?
12:45<Stuckey>So I don't need to install openoffice.org?
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12:45<marco>hi
12:45<marco>i'm leavin
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12:45<colton>I don't understand how make install works. Can someone explain it?
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12:49<Stuckey>Does anyone know a good program for reading newsgroups?
12:50<fxiny>slrn
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12:51<mike>cahoot, could i not be getting sound out of my browser becausemy alsaconf doesnt see my usb sound card?
12:51<phorce1>Stuckey: if you mean an X program then for *reading* -- knode --- grabbing binaries -- pan. Both have ... issues ... but work well enough.
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12:52<Stuckey>phorce1, knode is good for reading, I see. But what do you mean by "grabbing binaries"? I have never done this.
12:52<cahoot>mike: alsaconf shouldn't be needed anyway
12:52<mike>cahoot, this problem is getting so old so fast hahah
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12:53<cahoot>mike: snd-usb-audio doesn't get loaded a boot?
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12:54<phorce1>Stuckey: check out the alt.binaries.* groups. files, images, sounds, whatever. "downloadable" via UseNet
12:54<mike>does anyoen no a way for me to direct my browser toward a different sound card i havea feeling my problem is that it is just seeing my intel card
12:54<Stuckey>phorce1, sorry I'm completely new to newsgoups.
12:54<cahoot>the blacklisting doesn't work?
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12:54<Stuckey>phorce1, Where do I check out this?
12:55<mike>i blacklisted hda_intel
12:55<mike>and still sees it
12:55<mike>so im guessing i got the name wrong?
12:55<cahoot>and rebuilt initramfs?
12:55<mike>yeah
12:55<cahoot>and rebooted?
12:55<mike>yeah
12:55<mike>lol
12:55<cahoot>and snd-hda-intel still gets loaded?
12:55<phorce1>Stuckey: I would use Pan for everything but it is currently having issues with completely ignoring new articles in some groups. Generating a "resource temporarily unavailable" error when trying to save the index files.
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12:56<mike> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
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12:57<phorce1>Stuckey: in whatever news reader you are using tell it to subscribe to groups and type in alt.binaries. in the "filter" box to force it to show you only those groups. There are thousands so it's up to you to pick through them
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12:58<Stuckey>phorce1, are there better alternatives to these programs; perhaps a non-X program exists?
12:58<mike>cahoot, i just reblacklisted the dev name
12:58<mike>just ran that command so it will be seen
12:58<mike>ill reboot and brb
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12:59<Stuckey>stew, http://paste.debian.net/25466/
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13:00<stew>Stuckey: no idea
13:00<Stuckey>damn
13:01<stew>Stuckey: what version of unoconv are you using?
13:01<Stuckey>Whatever is in lenny... let me check.
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13:06<mike>cahoot, what was the name of that driver you mentioned
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13:07<cahoot>mike: snd-usb-audio
13:07<mike>cahoot, so my intel would be snd-intel-audio ??
13:07<cahoot>snd-hda-intel I'd guess
13:08<mike>im gonna try to blacklist that
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13:09<linkslice>what's a /transition package'?
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13:10<mike>cahoot, is there a way to check the snd driver haha
13:10<cahoot>check?
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13:10<cahoot>check in what respect?
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13:10<mike>yeah aha i wanna know the exact name so i know im blacklisting the right one
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13:11<cahoot>try cat /proc/asound/modules
13:12<mike>thank you =D
13:12<sdljfhs0h0>hey. my screen keeps blanking and a default "X" screensaver comes on. i can disable this by issuing 'xset s off' , but i have to do this every time i lock the screen then come back.
13:14<mike>ok blacklisted the driver and rebuilt
13:14<sdljfhs0h0>i'm looking for a permanent solution
13:14<mike>gonna reboot and check again
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13:18<mike>cahoot, IT WORKED ! =D
13:18<cahoot>right
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13:19<mike>cahoot, next big problem haha how do install java XD
13:19<cahoot> try /msg java
13:19<cahoot> try /msg dpkg java
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13:21<Stuckey>Could someone please explain to me how to use a newsreader client, such as KNode---I seem to be completely incompetent in this.
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13:26<mike>cahoot, your a lifesaver
13:26<mike>you helped me get everything working that wasnt and helped me understabd why in the process thank you =D
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13:27<cahoot>np
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13:28<themill>!cahoot++
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13:28<komodo>hi all, maybe i can find help here :-) i wrote to debian mailing list, but without success. the problem is that when i logout from KDE and i have Iceweasel started, then after login back Iceweasel does not start again and i don't know why
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13:30<themill>komodo: do you mean that it doesn't start automatically (i.e. save desktop session) or that you can't start it again?
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13:31<komodo>themill: yes extactly, it doesn't start automaticaly, but other apps do
13:31<themill>etch or lenny?
13:31<komodo>lenny
13:31<themill>hmm... it should do (does for me)
13:32<komodo>hmm, it's work for me i think 2 monts ago but after some upgrade it stops
13:32<themill>In KDE Control Centre => KDE Components => Session Manager, do you have anything that is listed as being excluded?
13:33<komodo>no, nothing
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13:33<komodo>but in ksmserverrc there is line program9=firefox-bin
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13:34<Acryler>tom kuehne in here?
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13:34<dkav>helo
13:35<themill>komodo: no idea... you could try asking in #debian-kde -- they might know of the problem or the work around.
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13:36<linkslice>Stuckey, you input your server, name, and password, same as email.
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13:36<komodo>themill: thanks, debian-kde is on the same server as #debian ?
13:36<Ananth123>yes
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13:38<komodo>thanks, but just one question, i use more distros at work, but only in debain i see in bash histor lines like this cd "`printf "%b" '\0057usr\0057lib'`" , do you know why ? i know that this apears when i move around dirs in mc, but only in debian
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13:41<Cribozai>How to reconfigure system users if the file passwd somehow got scrapped?
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13:42<stew>Cribozai: use the backup in /var/backups/ ?
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13:44<Cribozai>Wonder how it messed itself up... i seriously have no idea. Just added a new user in the gnome add user system and next thing all is gone. But i have no repeatable results yet.
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13:52<esop>komodo: there is a work around for that... it takes a line in your .bashrc like HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth, give it a google.
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13:52<komodo>btw, it looks like this http://tranceshock.net/get/shellhistory
13:53<esop>err... export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth
13:53<komodo>esop: hmm thanks i'll try, but whi is it default in debian ?
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13:55<esop>komodo: dunno... I think newer versions behave porperly.
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13:57<Capture>ALL: Does anyone know how to correct the bug in debian, where there is no possible way with google searching to permanently disable powersave?
13:57<komodo>esop: newer ? i use testing
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13:58<adama>Capture: try these commands: xset -dpms ; xset s noblank ; xset s off
13:59<Capture>the DPMS thing in xorg.conf doesn't stop powersave (screen blanking/off), setting the console to not 'blank' using another popular google command
13:59<Capture>doesn't work adama
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13:59<knoppix__>fuck off
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14:00<Capture>i'm beginning to think debian's maintainers are forcing this as an 'agenda' (like "lets reduce global warming by forcing all installees to have powersave on)
14:00<Capture>"and provide no way of disabling it"
14:00<Capture>and i don't want to run xset -dpms every time
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14:00<Capture>i don't want to put it in an autorun script
14:00<Capture>i just want my software to NOT BLANK when it's NOT SET TO BLANK
14:01<Capture>is this possible in debian?
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14:01<Capture>and amarok stops when it blanks
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14:01<Capture>grrrr
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14:01*Capture has been seriously considering gentoo, maybe they don't have an agenda
14:02<adama>Capture: I did have that problem and was frustrated but I got it working eventually
14:02<Capture>what package?
14:02<Capture>maybe i can get the source and gut the powersave code
14:02<adama>no package, it was a setting somewhere
14:02<Capture>ok
14:02<Capture>but what package 'blanks' the computer
14:03<Capture>or is it the kernel, or xorg
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14:03<Capture>i'm sorry, i'm just very frustrated
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14:04<Capture>i'm watching my budgerigar die and i'm getting pissed off about stupid 'save the earth' 'anti-"global warming"' bugs infesting my debian install(s)
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14:04<adama>Capture: try setting BLANK_TIME in /etc/console-tools/config
14:04<stew>Capture: /msg dpkg screen blanking
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14:05<Capture>i'll try it again stew, but if I remember correctly that was a dud as well
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14:05<Capture>(like it was programmed, with no setting possible anywhere to disable)
14:05<enouf>Capture: in X?
14:05<stew>Capture: is the problem happening in x or in console?
14:05<Capture>both
14:06<Capture>tty1 and x
14:06<enouf>Capture: for X it's DPMS in xorg.conf
14:06<stew>or with xset
14:06<Capture>hey, enouf, is this debian's default setting for dpms and blanking to be on, or is it the package?
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14:06<enouf>Capture: wait, you said it does not set it to?
14:06<GroY>hi there
14:07<enouf>Capture: to me "blank" or "blanking" is a screensaver
14:07<Capture>enouf: i want my computer to quit being 'green'
14:07<Capture>enouf: i'm using several terms for the same issue
14:07<enouf>i'm just trying to understand
14:07<Capture>enouf: yea
14:07<GroY>i'm looking for someone who knows about acpi, debian and eeepc...
14:07<enouf>usign KDE or GNOME?
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14:07<Capture>enouf: KDE, KDE's settings does not affect it
14:07<stew>GroY: you might try #debian-eeepc
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14:08<enouf>Capture: ok, affect "it" means?
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14:08<stew>Capture: have you tried to disable dmps? if so, how?
14:08<Capture>does not change the duration of time the screen is not 'blanked' (turned off, powersaved)
14:08<GroY>stew: thanks, i didn't know it
14:08<Capture>via xorg.conf
14:08<komodo>esop: heh, you are right, in /etc/skel/.bashrc there is already export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth, but i use old version of thos file, thanks for help
14:08<stew>Capture: how?
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14:08<Capture>and i don't remember how, just that it was a failure
14:09<Capture>it was like DPMS "off"
14:09<Capture>or something
14:09<Capture>under monitor
14:09<stew>Capture: have you tried the methods in "/msg dpkg screen blanking"?
14:09<Capture>yes
14:09<stew>Capture: which method?
14:09<enouf>Capture: when it goes blank (power save mode) does the screen look dead black? or a hue of grey
14:09<Capture>all
14:09<Capture>yes, black
14:09<Capture>green screen light goes yellow
14:09<stew>Capture: have you run "xset -dmps" since the last time you started X ?
14:09<Capture>this is a GMA3100
14:10<Capture>not this session
14:10<Capture>is there a way to gut out dpms?
14:10<enouf>oh, quit being green wasn't color .. doh
14:10<stew>Capture: "xset -dpms" will idsable dpms
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14:10<Capture>i don't want to run, or autorun, a script each startup to plug a debian agenda
14:10<Capture>stew, what package handles dpms?
14:10<enouf>Capture: can you tell me your basic Monitor type/make style? and what about your ARCH? i386? amd64? sparc?
14:10<Capture>i want to fix the bug of auto-dpms
14:10<stew>Capture: what do you mean by "plug a debian agenda"?
14:11<stew>Capture: which bug?
14:11<esop>Capture: you have turned off APM/ACPI stuff in BIOS?
14:11<Capture>stew: i call making it impossible for the layman to disable a "feature" that he finds annoying as a bug or agenda
14:11<enouf>my next related question was going to be about acpi
14:11<Capture>and since global warming/green tech is so popular, it smells like someone is trying to push a green agenda making it default and a pain
14:12<enouf>Capture: most all people have no issuse with keeping their monitor on - burning it in babay so to speak
14:12<Capture>and why is there several mechanisms that 'could' be powersaving my system?
14:12<Capture>why not just one?
14:13<stew>Capture: just becuase x has power saving features doesn't mean that someone is trying to "push an agenda"
14:13<enouf>Capture: let's repeal the seatbelt laws and that ANNOYING Bell!
14:13<Capture>it's like "well, if the user finds this one, there will be that one to thwart his efforts"
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14:13<Capture>enouf: i believe in repealing noncrimes, like seatbelts
14:13<stew>Capture: please try running "xset -dpms" and tell us if screen blanking still happens in this session
14:13<stew>Capture: please keep it on-topic
14:13<Capture>executed
14:13<Capture>now, i gotta go away for 10 minutes
14:14<Capture>and it is on topic stew, i'm talking about a problem in debian
14:14<enouf>and i can't help further without answers
14:14<stew>Capture: seatbelts have nothing to do with debian
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14:15<enouf>i started it stew - my bad
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14:16<enouf>but these conspiracy theories are quite humorous ;-)
14:17<fxiny>why on earth should a mantainer , in the year 2009 , opt for a waste energy setting ?
14:17<fxiny>i thinks is right
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14:17<enouf>fxiny: !! no porbs!
14:17<fxiny>think*
14:17<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
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14:18<fxiny>nothing to do with politics , is just a sensible choice
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14:29<jthomas>I am running Lenny with KDE; when I ssh into another Lenny server and open Vim and paste from a Kate document, it looks ok to me but others who open the doc see it filled with  ( cap A with a ^ above it). I've narrowed it down to UTF8/ISO8859 problems. But since both are Lenny which is working correctly? The bash script wouldn't run because of those  on the Lenny server.
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14:31<ajcc>Hi! I'm having problems viewing certail gif-images in Iceweasel. Some gif's are viable, but most aren't. It seems like transparent gifs or b&w gifs don't work that well. I don't know which of the two. I'm using the latest version from unstable.
14:31<setog3>I have a trackpoint (stick), and under windows when I tap on the stick it's like clicking, I don't know how windows do that, because the stick point has no button under, but how to have the same comportment under debian ?
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14:32<fxiny>jthomas: what : file that_file_with_A say ?
14:32<jthomas>fxiny pardon?
14:33<taziden>tell us the output of command : " file your_file_with_strange_A"
14:33<fxiny>jthomas: the file (file.txt) you pasted in : file file.txt
14:33<jthomas>ok
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14:34<jthomas>test.sh: Bourne-Again shell script text executable
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14:34<jthomas>even with no x bits set
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14:35<jthomas>Konsole is nice enough to allow me to change between the encodings, but I don't want to have to (remember to) do that all the time.
14:35<fxiny>that is only because of the shebang
14:35<jthomas>removed it; test.sh: UTF-8 Unicode text
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14:36<fxiny>that file could have "CRLF, LF line terminators"
14:36<jthomas>i am creating a new file tho, and pasting the text in
14:36<fxiny>ah no CRLF ? ok
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14:38<jthomas>its as tho the clipboard is also copying the encoding, if that makes sense. The file appears fine in Kate but when I highlight/midclick into Vim (with Konsole set to ISO-8859) the symbols appear
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14:38<Cribozai>need help to determine if this is a bug: Can add users with adduser but not with useradd. useradd complains the following:
14:38<Cribozai>Can't get unique UID (no more available UIDs)
14:38<Cribozai>useradd: can't create user
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14:39<Cribozai>and if possibly so. Who should i file to, and with what additional information?
14:39<jthomas>fxiny So if the file is UTF8 and it all looks good when I view with UTF8 encoding, but I cannot run the script, it seems to me that the error is with the remote server?
14:39<jthomas>Cribozai how many accounts do you have on that box?
14:40<Cribozai>1000 me and i just created 1001 with adduser
14:40<jthomas>but cannot create 1002 ??
14:40<Cribozai>the script cant get a free UID
14:40<Cribozai>for some reason (unknown)
14:41<fxiny>jthomas: file should be ASCII , i don't use utf8 , could it be a fonts problem ? pasting garbage
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14:41<Cribozai>Yet i just had a major breakdown on all my acount infos and had to use backups to restore them. I yet have no clue how my passwd, shadow and gshadow all got blanked out.
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14:42<Cyo>Hello
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14:43<fxiny>jthomas: UTF-8 Unicode ? try apt-cache show recode
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14:44<jthomas>fxiny what to look for?
14:45<jthomas>or is it something that I may want to install?
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14:46<jim>seeking info on use linux
14:46<fxiny>jthomas : as i said i don't use utf8 . i have CRLF files by dumping html to txt and i use flip to get rid of (CRLF)
14:47<jthomas>fxiny which is Debian's 'standard' ISO8859 ?
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14:47<fxiny>jthomas: i can use sed ot dos2unix ? or recode
14:47<fxiny>jthomas: utf8 ?
14:47<Cribozai>jim: What kind of info?
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14:47<jthomas>fxiny which is Debian's 'standard', ISO8859 or UTF8 Unicode? I thought UTF8 since Etch.
14:47<sylar>Can anyone say if Asus P5Q onboard LAN is compatible with debian etch or lenny?
14:47<jim>use of the system thank you
14:47<fxiny>jthomas: is just me not using utf cause mrxvt don't support it so i stick to ISO-8859-15
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14:48<Cyo>is there anyone able to help me with nat stuffs ?
14:48<Capture>all: it seems xset -dpms worked on this system. since it seems the xorg package tree contains the DPMS code. I'll be gutting DPMS in the near future
14:48<jim>note i,m off topic,excuse intrusiveness
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14:49<ed_>Hello
14:49<fxiny>jthomas: anyway : sed , dos2unix , flip or recode can get rid of strange chars for paste m dump or windows/mac
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14:49<jthomas>jim download a LiveCD from here, write the ISO image to a CD, and reboot to boot into that to play and test http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/20081220/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-lenny-i386-kde-desktop.iso
14:50*fxiny can't remember the real dos2unix name
14:50<ed_>When I mark 'Desktop Environment' to be installed by the Debian installer, what metapackage does that install? Because I did one without a DE and now I want GNOME.
14:50<newsense>gnome
14:50<jthomas>yeah, gnome :(
14:51<Cyo>anyone knows iptables ??
14:51<newsense>i feel the same yay :)
14:51<newsense>ehh s/way/yay
14:52<newsense>Cyo, try #iptables on freenode
14:52<Cyo>thank you newsense !
14:52<newsense>Cyo, whats your question anyways ?
14:52<newsense>if its simple enough someone might have a suggestion
14:53<mjk_>fxiny: Maybe "tofrodos"?
14:53<Cyo>well, my network isn't running at all
14:53<zara>hi people, i just want a piece of the kernel... but in the web is with garbage, html, numbered lines... how can install the sources into my sistem to take them from my own sistem???
14:53<newsense>Cyo, is that with iptables rules in place or without ?
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14:54<newsense>Cyo, please dont pm either always ask in the channel first, most people wont accept them anyways but always ask first
14:54<fxiny>mjk_: sounds like frodo ;)
14:54<Cyo>ok :)
14:55<Cyo>i got two computers. one is debian (router + firewall) , second is a client
14:55<fxiny>mjk_: yes ! is tofordos , but i prefere flip :)
14:55<Cyo>and the client doesn't have internet
14:56<ed_>Ah, I found the package I was looking for.
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14:57<mjk_>fxiny: =)
14:57-!-^LuPo^ [~^LuPo^@adsl-ull-73-78.47-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
14:57<^LuPo^> Ciao a Tutti... ;)
14:57<fxiny>a winged wolf :P
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14:58<Cyo>so ? anyone knows how to ?
14:58<newsense>Cyo, http://danieldegraaf.afraid.org/info/iptables/examples look at the nat router config and compare it to yours
14:58<newsense>Cyo, can you ping the router ?
14:58<enouf>zara: go grab the original code, it's on kernel.org
14:59<Cyo>yes i can
14:59<zara>enouf: but ther is also with the lines numbered...
14:59<enouf>zara: or.. grab the debian sources
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14:59<enouf>no, it's not zara
14:59<fxiny>enouf: Pam ? :)
14:59<enouf>fxiny: Linda! ;-)
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15:00<enouf>zara: if you mean a patch or similar, learn how to use and d/l as plain text
15:00<enouf>if you cannot achieve that - applying patches and building kernels is a long way off babay ;-)
15:01<fxiny>jthomas: i'm f* curious about your problem
15:01<jthomas>me also
15:02<zara>enouf: what do you mean with d/l ?
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15:02<enouf>zara: sorry d/l == down / load == download
15:02<enouf>hrm, me peeks at jthomas 's problem
15:02<fxiny>i don't want any frigging UTF-8 Unicode text around here . ASCII or death :P
15:03<enouf>jthomas: oh .. i get that even locally when using certain ncurses apps
15:03<enouf>i'm missing Fonts and Locales for certain Charsets though - and i know it
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15:04<zara>enouf: if the lines are numbered, it doesn't matter if i got plain text, anyway you are right, in kernel.org there is more than i thoght
15:04<enouf>there is/was an Aptitude man page bug in Etch - but that's isolated to that man page
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15:04<enouf>and it's not the same issue
15:04<enouf>zara: you can use sed to strip anything you want ;-)
15:05<fxiny>enouf: one font to rule 'em all : xos4-terminus-bold :P
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15:05<enouf>zara: but code is almost always available without line numbers ;-)
15:05<enouf>fxiny: hehe
15:05<enouf>fxiny: jthomas for example, sometimes it happens using alsamizer, sometimes rcconf, etc
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15:05<fxiny>enouf: i use terminus everywhere , even on emacs :)
15:05<enouf>a 'reset' command of the terminal clears up alsamixer funk sometimes
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15:06<zara>enouf: i'm a newby swimming into the kernel... ;)
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15:06<enouf>fxiny: ANSI ftw!!
15:06<fxiny>yes !
15:06<enouf>zara: careful of the sharks - it's a jungle of ocean out there :-P
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15:07*enouf gives zara a goldfish seal of approval - and a pledge pin from amphi 's Freedom Chair Foundation :-P
15:07<fxiny>enouf: sharks can be ipnotized , i've seen a doc before , same for pidgeons and chickens : amazing !
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15:08<enouf>fxiny: sing them a lullaby - it's just tough to do underwater :-P
15:08<jthomas>so then enouf is the issue on my Kate? in my Konsole? on the remove Vim session?
15:08<zara>enouf: I know Í know... it's why I prefer to downloat it from a place I trust... :D kernel.org, but still swimming
15:08*amphi stirs in the Belfry
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15:09<fxiny>amphi: !!
15:09<fxiny>enouf: he's back ;)
15:10<amphi>'sera
15:10<enouf>jthomas: hrm, if i had to choose, i'd guess Konsole - but i think it's none of thsoe
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15:11<enouf>amphi: wait, is that a chair? or a toilet? i forget what JoeThePlumber was giving away :-p
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15:12<amphi>JtP? a Freedom Flush? and he was selling it, $19.95 if I recall correctly
15:13<enouf>hahaha
15:13<fxiny>enouf: jtp ? he was giving away soldman&socks shares :P
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15:13<enouf>you mean goldfish&bullocks fxiny :-)
15:14<fxiny>enouf: nahhh shortman&longers futuralia :)))
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15:14<enouf>fxiny: each of those places received BILLIONS in bribery - they held a gun to Bush's head
15:15<fxiny>enouf: bribery is the right word
15:15<enouf>billions each
15:15<amphi>enouf: non-executive directorships, shurely ;)
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15:15<amphi>"ask not for whom the door revolves...:
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15:16<zara>enouf: take a look to this one; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.28/kernel/sys.c
15:16<enouf>if this isn't pure all out proof that we are a plutocracy, oligarchy ; that the CCCP rule the world - i don't know what would be proof - anyways, OT
15:16<enouf>amphi: :-)
15:16<enouf>zara: yes?
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15:17<zara>enouf: is that on i'm looking for but in kernel.org stil i couldn't find it, here is with lines... :(
15:17<enouf>zara: it's line numbered for your convenience there - that's not kernel.org
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15:18<enouf>zara: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.28.bz2
15:18<enouf>er sorry!@
15:18<enouf>wait
15:18<fxiny>enouf: pluto ? i think has been demoted . was it pluto ? if i'm right we are left with the just the tail : crazy , pardon my typo :P
15:18<zara>enouf: hehe, yes. is the 2.6.20
15:18<enouf>zara: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.28.tar.bz2
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15:18<enouf>zara: d/l that
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15:19<jthomas>enouf fair enough. I don't recall having this issue with similar actions (copy, paste into script) in he past. So what may be the cause, or how would I fix it? I found that Etch is UTF8 and so I would expect that Lenny also is, yet that server seems to be ISO-8859
15:19<enouf>jthomas: change the server locale?
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15:20<enouf>depending on how you connect , if samba related there are iocharset= and codepage= options
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15:20<fxiny>jthomas: can you see this euro symbols chain ? <¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> en_US.ISO-8859-15 :)
15:20<enouf>jthomas: cat /etc/default/locale ; cat /etc/environment see what those read - and then 'locale' in your shell
15:20<fxiny>uft8 ZURGS
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15:21<enouf>i see pointy rectangles with circles in them fxiny :-)
15:21<jthomas>i see squares
15:21<enouf>look closer
15:21<barnes>i see €€€€€€€€
15:21<enouf><¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤>
15:21<jthomas>now i see them
15:21<fxiny>enouf: i know : ask themill (cousins)
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15:22<enouf>thye look like something from Asteroids :-P
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15:22<fxiny>enouf: no wonders : is a crap fake currency :P
15:22<enouf>hahaha
15:22<enouf>alien money?
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15:23<zara>enouf: thanks a lot, i'll see how diferent is from the 2.6.20 and maybe is usefull... anyway 1000 thanks!
15:23<enouf>zara: see the kernel README for what to do with that file ;-)
15:23<fxiny>enouf: aliens use eggs :)
15:23<enouf>zara: oh .. it's different :-P
15:23<enouf>mucho mas
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15:24<enouf>fxiny: is that all the slime i'm feeling?
15:24<zara>enouf: so diferent? well i think any way it will be usefull, (¿spanish?)
15:24<enouf>zara: bravo - cheers! convert away ;-)
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15:24<fxiny>enouf: slime ? nice place ;)
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15:24<jthomas>enouf how would I check or change the server's locale" I just installed it last night so IMHO is should be whatever Lenny's default is, which i thought was UTF8
15:24<enouf>zara: a site like http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 outlines the changes - version by version
15:25<jthomas>sorry enouf i see now that you told me how
15:25<enouf>jthomas: run dpkg-reconfigure locales on the server
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15:25<enouf>!tell jthomas -about locales
15:25<jthomas>thanks
15:25<jthomas>those are all UTF8
15:25<fgh>hi im in need of a small and easy .wav to mp3 converter. no fancy thing needed..
15:26<fxiny>and check /etc/environment
15:26<jthomas>blank
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15:26<jthomas> /etc/environment is empty
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15:26<enouf> LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:en"
15:26<enouf>
15:26<enouf> LANG=en_US
15:26<enouf>is mine
15:26<fxiny>jthomas: add utf8 then !
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15:26<jthomas>per dpkg-bot a moment ago, /etc/environment is for Sarge and older.
15:27<enouf>jthomas: run localegen maybe? but it should've been populated during install IINM
15:27<fxiny>jthomas: before reconfiguring try if adding utf8 to /etc/environment works
15:27<enouf>jthomas: just try it
15:27<jthomas>done
15:27<fxiny>can't be blank
15:27<jthomas>now what, how to test?
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15:28<fxiny>jthomas: should be > LANG="en_US_UTF-8"
15:29<jthomas>thanks
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15:29<enouf>er .. let me ...er .. "sudo rgrep 'en_US' /etc/ 2>/dev/null | grep -v X11"
15:30<enouf>bah - nm, i do show /etc/locale.gen /etc/environment /etc/default/locale and /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
15:31<enouf>are you logging in through a Display Manager jthomas ? which one?
15:31<fxiny>enouf: more changes ? no more : dpkg-reconfigure -plow locale ?
15:31<enouf>debconf!
15:31<enouf>no idea fxiny :-/
15:31<fxiny>enouf: me too
15:31*simonrvn takes the /ig off fxiny
15:32<fxiny>the ig ?
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15:32<jthomas>enouf I am logging into the remote server with SSH in my local Konsole on KDE; the remote machine isn't running any DM nor X
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15:33<enouf>jthomas: let me see your command, you can remove/replace with XXXXX anything personal
15:34<jthomas>which command? I am highlighting and pasting
15:34<jthomas>or the connection command? ssh root@ip.add.re.ss
15:34<enouf>jthomas: in konsole > Settings > encoding ?
15:34<enouf>jthomas: i was going to suggest try ssh -t
15:34*fxiny wonders why the bird attendant takes the /ig off instead of sending over a pint
15:35<enouf>jthomas: oh .. note; root user has it's own settings for most things in /root/. <--dotfiles
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15:36<simonrvn>fxiny: bird attendant? heh
15:37<simonrvn>hehe
15:37<enouf>peckerhead? :-p
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15:38<simonrvn>hehe
15:40<fxiny>simonrvn: where's raven ?
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15:40<simonrvn>it's there
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15:41<enouf>is that some sort of Euro flag i see on kernel.org adjacent to the US of Crooks?
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15:42<enouf>amphi: the Head of NASDAQ Madeoff with $50 Billion :-p
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15:43<enouf>bah - .. /me goes into -offtopic
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15:50<sylar>any one use Asus P5Q?
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15:52<simonrvn>!anyone use
15:52<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
15:52<simonrvn>;p
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15:53<sylar>FWIW , I don't use it either
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15:53<ringo>anyone have a good recommendation for an irc client for gnome?
15:53<sylar>but... If someone use it , I would love to hear if the onbord NIC is good
15:54<sylar>ringo, I use xchat
15:55<ringo>sylar: ok, i used konversation when i was using kde but I will try that, thanks.
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15:55<enouf>sylar: best to find out which exact chip(s) set(s) the NICs use, and search that way
15:56<sylar>enouf, it is an atheros L1E
15:56<sylar>enouf, it has another name with numbers
15:56<sylar>enouf, I found a driver tar.gz for it
15:56<sylar>enouf, but I wonder if it is good
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15:58<sylar>AR8121/AR8113
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15:59<hochron>debian
16:00<enouf>sylar: that's an Atheros chip
16:00<sylar>yes
16:00<enouf>oh .. duh
16:00<sylar>and...?
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16:02<enouf>i don't see that make/model being supported yet in the kernel at all
16:03<sigius>Q:I have a local .deb file. How do I install it in such a way that its dependencies are also installed ?
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16:03<sylar>enouf, what I read that it is Incorporated in the .27 kernel
16:04<enouf>sylar: i don't, but maybe my search was munged
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16:10<hochron>sigius: I have the same question
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16:11<hochron>amongst many others
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16:12<michelrbd>oi
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16:12<michelrbd>^^
16:12<hochron>oi oi oi boy
16:12<michelrbd>vcs são da onde
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16:12<michelrbd>?
16:13<michelrbd>sou da Bahia
16:13<michelrbd>hochron c é da onde?
16:13<sigius>hochron, fyi I did find a solution googling but I dont have that much confidence in it: dpkg with -force-depends which just installs the deb and ignores the dependencies and then do a 'apt-get -f install' which should fix any missing dependencies.
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16:14<hochron>sigius: hmmm
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16:15<sigius>hochron, turns out the work for me but for all I know I was just lucky
16:15<sigius>the->it
16:15<hochron>heheh
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16:29<hochron>sigius: my apt-get -f install just remove the flash player I am trying to install
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16:30<enouf>jthomas: any luck?
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16:31<jthomas>:( not really. After /etc/environment I don't know what to do differently or how to test it.
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16:31<jthomas>But, if the server is set for UTF8 all over, and I use UTF8 and paste as UTF8, why cannot the server run the script? its the extra chars that are being entered by the ISO8859 but I don't know how or why its seeing them if its all utf8.
16:32<jthomas>hochron the command 'apt-get -f install' will fix an install, so remove apps that aren't installed right.
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16:34<hochron>jthomas: ok, im kinda new to debian... can I add a local directory as a software repository?
16:34<jthomas>sigius and hochron, if the local .deb is compatible, the 'dpkg -i file.bed && apt-get install -f' will install the deb file and then fix the dependencies; but if the deb file is not compaitble or there are no dependencies available, it will remove.
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16:35<jthomas>i meant, 'dpkg -i file.deb && apt-get install -f'
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16:35<jthomas>hochron I have no idea, probably but i am sure there is some structure that needs to be followed; it cannot just be a folder full of .debs
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16:38<enouf><jthomas> :( not really. After /etc/environment I don't know what to do differently or how to test it. <== you'd reboot, or atleast reinitialize
16:39<enouf>jthomas: i mentioned some things above you haven't replied to
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16:39<jthomas>oh sorry, I must have missed them; let me check them out!
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16:40<jthomas>the Konsole > Settings > Encoding default seems to be the same as UTF8; things only work well when I change that to ISO8859-{1,14,15}
16:41<jthomas>I don't know if dpkg-reconfigure locales will change anything if everywhere it is already set to UTF8
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16:42<jthomas>dpkg-reconfigure locales is running now; none of the ISO-8859-xx are marked, ONLY utf8
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16:42<jthomas>set it as the system default locale. dunno if it will fix anything.
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16:43<simonrvn>did you set your locale at all, in your shell?
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16:43<simonrvn>did you do the `locale' thing?
16:44<jthomas>hochron I do know that, if compatible, you can have a folder full of .deb files and run 'dpkg -i *.deb' in that folder; that works. But if the repositories have a newer version or conflicts, they may get removed. You can 'lock' them in Synaptic and perhaps in KPackage.
16:44<jthomas>how to do that?
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16:44<jthomas>simonrvn how do I set my shell?
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16:46<simonrvn>e.g., export LC_CTYPE=en_CA.UTF-8
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16:48<jthomas>hmm.. so I'd put that into .bashrc perhaps?
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16:51<jthomas>well, I ran it. Then I pasted my (known-problematic) test into a Vim session and saved it. Then I changed encoding to ISO98859-15 and reopened the file and its still a problem.
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16:58<hochron>jthomas: hmm what would be the best way for me to install flash then? would the tar.gz be the best option?
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16:58<hochron>rpm doesn't really work either
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16:59<craigevil>use debian-multimedia.org repo and do apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
16:59<hochron>thank you craigevil
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17:02<Guest526>sers alles klar bei euch???! !!
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17:10<jthomas>I downloaded and installed the Ubuntu .deb version of one recent Lenny install and it worked fine; otherwise I've always gone the .tar.gz route which basically just copies a file into ~/.mozilla/plugins/ or something like that. The .tar.gz has a script which will do this for you.
17:11<And1>Can I reload my screenrc while screen is opened?
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17:14<hochron>jthomas: ok, thanks
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17:18<jthomas>hochron but now that I know about it, I would bet the Debian Multimedia way is better; it gets up dated then
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17:19<hochron>jthomas: i am having trouble getting it to work, I typed main at the end without really knowing what it does....
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17:20<hochron>jthomas: The package manager said it was installed once but I dont remember what I did.
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17:22<jthomas>the debian multimedia line that I have in my /etc/apt/sources.list is this: "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main"
17:23<hochron>ok
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17:26<dpkg><veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is.
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17:42<fox>IDENTIFY
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17:44<stefie10>I am copying a file from a USB hard drive onto my hard drive. The transfer speed is 1MB/s. This is quite close to USB 1 full speed (1.5MB/s, minus overhead), so I'm guessing for some reason it is connecting at 12Mbps instead of 480Mbps. All devices are USB2/480Mbps. What would I look at to debug it?
17:44<enouf>jthomas: to walk down a possible vim issue path start with rgrep -l utf8 /usr/share/doc/vim-* [and] rgrep -l utf8 /usr/share/vim*
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17:45<stefie10>Yup. "new full speed USB" says dmesg.
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17:49<stefie10>dmesg claims the controller on the motherboard is USB 1.1: "[ 1.416415] ohci_hcd: 2006 August 04 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Dr
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17:49<jthomas>enouf neither of those commands did anything :(
17:49<stefie10>Motherboard is USB 2.0: http://www.asrock.cn/mb/overview.asp?Model=K8NF6G-VSTA
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17:50<enouf>Most conversions require Vim to be compiled with the |+iconv| feature. Otherwise only UTF-8 to latin1 conversion and back can be done.
17:50<enouf>file:///usr/share/vim/vimcurrent/doc/mbyte.txt
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17:50<enouf>jthomas: you have no vim-doc pkgs or anything installed?
17:50<stefie10>Hmm... kernel later notices USB 2.0 as well: "ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004"
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17:50<enouf>jthomas: the mbyte refers to multibyte - ie; utf-8
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17:51<enouf>jthomas: vim-runtime: /usr/share/vim/vim71/doc/mbyte.txt
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17:52<enouf>If your locale works properly, Vim will try to set the 'encoding' option accordingly. If this doesn't work you can overrule its value: > :set encoding=utf-8 See |encoding-values| for a list of acceptable values.
17:52<jthomas>ok just installed the docs.
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17:57<dredtrake>hi everybody :)
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17:59<jthomas>hi dr nic---err, dr ed!
17:59<dredtrake>:) !!
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18:03<jthomas>enouf thank you so much for your assistance today, even if I've not yet resolved this. I am heading home for the evening.
18:03<jthomas>and I will continue tomorrow to look into it all.
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18:07<dredtrake>excuse me, do someone know how to know if a service is running?
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18:07<streuner>ps aux
18:07<dredtrake>;)
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18:07<dredtrake>nice :)
18:08<streuner>if you searching for a special service just use "ps aux | grep <some service>"
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18:12<dredtrake>ok i am trying :)
18:12<dredtrake>tooo coool :)
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18:13<dredtrake>so now i tried with svn
18:13<dredtrake>and i got this, root 6829 0.0 0.0 2860 692 pts/3 D+ 01:13 0:00 grep svn
18:13<adama>you found the grep process :)
18:14<simonrvn>weeee
18:14<dredtrake>oki :) i allready saw it a lot, but still never used ;)
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18:14<adama>try ps aux | grep svn |grep -v grep
18:14<adama>:)
18:14<jgarvey>I just found out (the hard way) that a usb key doesn't support logical partitions. Does this apply to all usb drives?
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18:15<dredtrake>ok
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18:15<simonrvn>or - note that this hack depends on which charater you choose to escape, as it should be one that won't do anything, but you can so something like:
18:15<simonrvn>ps auxw | grep s\vn
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18:16<adama>sneaky
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18:17<simonrvn>i'm not even sure if that's the hack anymore, TBH, hehe
18:17<dredtrake>adama : the command don't run anything?
18:17<simonrvn>something like that. ask peterS
18:17<adama>dredtrake: then svn is not running
18:17<dredtrake>oki adama :)
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18:18<adama>simonrvn: yeah that's not it... my way is good enough for me, and not a havk
18:18<dredtrake>lol
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18:18<adama>hack
18:18<dredtrake>in fact i configur it to run, i guess it's only running at calling..
18:18<simonrvn>me sits back and tries to remember it
18:18<simonrvn>erm
18:18*simonrvn sits back and tries to remember it
18:19<dredtrake>simonrvn : what's the goal of your last command?
18:19<adama>dredtrake: are you having a trouble with svnserve? or svn
18:19<dredtrake>i have trouble to acces my new repository,
18:19<dredtrake>i configure it to run into sshh+svn
18:20<dredtrake>but it always say me permision denied.
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18:21<pablolibo>hello
18:21<dredtrake>looking for the the command i wrotte
18:21<dredtrake>hello
18:21<pablolibo>anybody speak spanish?
18:21<dredtrake>nop
18:21<pablolibo>:(
18:21<dredtrake>not me .. :) sorry
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18:22<pablolibo>where are dredtrake from?
18:22<dredtrake>france
18:22<adama>!es
18:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:22<pablolibo>viva la france!!!
18:22<adama>!fr
18:22<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
18:22<dredtrake>sorry pablito i will continu to explain my stuff :), merci
18:23<pablolibo>ok
18:23<pablolibo>cya man
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18:23<dredtrake>thx, i'll try to explain it here if it is not a problem?
18:23<adama>go ahead
18:23<dredtrake>dpkg : thx
18:23<dpkg>THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks"
18:24<dredtrake>dpkg : thanks! :)
18:24<dpkg>dredtrake: pas de quoi
18:24<adama>!thc
18:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, thc is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the active ingredient in marijuana, or delta-7 is also thc but isn't heated yet
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18:24<dredtrake>yeah :)
18:25<adama>that thx factoid reminded me of the Tenacious D movie intro :)
18:25<adama>THC: The audience is baking
18:25<adama>anywho
18:25<adama>svn
18:26<dredtrake>yes
18:26<dredtrake>so i made a new repository
18:26<dredtrake>i configure everything
18:26<dredtrake>like user
18:26<blast_hardcheese>I'm trying to use Finch on my 2.2 kernel box over SSH, There seem to be some characters it can't display natively in the console; Are there console modes that support different character sets?
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18:27<dredtrake>made new right with a specific user and group
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18:28<blast_hardcheese>Everywhere there are supposed to be lines and stuff I end up getting a bunch of a's with karats over them
18:29<dredtrake>erf, my errors are in french, and i am not able to translate them...
18:29<blast_hardcheese>Every time the text scrolls on the screen it just redraws weirdly
18:29<dredtrake>so i'll better go to the debian french room as you purposed me before.. :(
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18:30<dredtrake>besides, thank you to all who answered and could help me (and learned me ps aux && grep ) :D
18:30<adama> you did svnadmin create blah as the svn user?
18:30<adama>and the box needs to run "svnserve -d -R -r /home/svn/" (e.g.) as root
18:30<dredtrake>no i did it with root i guess.
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18:31<adama>that's how I have it set up on my svn server anywyas
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18:31<dredtrake>oki
18:31<adama>I can't remember specifically if I did it as root or svn user, 1 sec
18:31<dredtrake>i see i a m trying this ;)
18:31<adama>yeah do it as user
18:32<adama>then e.g. /home/svn/blah is your repo
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18:32<adama>then from elsewhere do svn co svn+ssh://svn@svnserver/home/svn/blah
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18:33<adama>run svnserve -d -R -r /home/svn/ on the server first
18:33<adama>that's how mine is set up
18:33<dredtrake>adama : ok :)
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18:34<tha_toadman>hey all! can someone here steer me in the right direction? i'm having an issue trying to 'configure' an app
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18:35<blast_hardcheese>tha_toadman: dpkg-reconfigure packagename?
18:35<dredtrake>its runing
18:35<dredtrake>:D
18:35<dredtrake>adama : thank you!!!!
18:35<adama>:)
18:35<dredtrake>great!!!!
18:35<tha_toadman>blast_hardcheese: i'm trying to get "nut" running on my server
18:36<tha_toadman>blast_hardcheese: this is my last night from "configure" -- configure: error: USB drivers requested, but libusb not found. Use --with-usb=auto to build only available drivers.
18:36<adama>dredtrake: now you have to make the svnserve command run when the server starts
18:37<dredtrake>oki :)
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18:37<dredtrake>to make it run as a service ? autorun?
18:37<blast_hardcheese>tha_toadman: Why not just aptitude install nut? Do you have a reason to build from source?
18:37<adama>I have "@reboot svnserve -d -R -r /home/svn/" in root's crontab but there's a better way I'm sure, using init scripts
18:37<tha_toadman>blast_hardcheese: although i've ran "apt-get install libusb-0.1-4" and it says it's already installed
18:38<MrNaz>i tried installing debian on a box a few months ago, i think it was debian r4 but there were no drivers for my newer motherboard and hence the HDDs weren't showing up.... will r6 have an updated driver set or doesn't that get updated ?
18:38<tha_toadman>blast_hardcheese: my UPS, according to NUT's website has to have 2.2.2
18:38<blast_hardcheese>weak
18:38<blast_hardcheese>!pinning tha_toadman
18:38<blast_hardcheese>Gah, what's that command
18:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 365] by debhelper
18:39<dredtrake>adama : -R param mean read-only, so if i want to keep my server cofnig i erase it?
18:39<blast_hardcheese>I've seen it used but never used it myself
18:39<tha_toadman>blast_hardcheese: i've tried apt-get but 2.0.4 is what it wants to install ... this sucks! lol
18:39<adama>!tell tha_toadman -about pinning
18:39<blast_hardcheese>thanks adama
18:39<blast_hardcheese>Oh, is 2.2 not available in the repos?
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18:39<tha_toadman>oh cool
18:40<tha_toadman>no
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18:40<adama>dredtrake: I can't remember why I put -R in there.... I can definitely do checkins
18:40<adama>:\
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18:40<tha_toadman>blast_hardcheese: it said to use 'sid' for 2.2.2 in apt-get but then all hell broke loose (with dependencies)
18:40<blast_hardcheese>tha_toadman: 2.2 is available in testing
18:40<blast_hardcheese>yep
18:41<dredtrake>:/
18:41<blast_hardcheese>MrNaz: Try Etch-and-a-half, "EtchNHalf"
18:42<tha_toadman>blast_hardcheese: should i quit trying to manually build it and try the apt-get route with the pinning that guys recommended?
18:42<blast_hardcheese>MrNaz: I had that problem, my NIC wasn't recognized, I couldn't do a netinstall
18:42<blast_hardcheese>tha_toadman: That's what I would do
18:43<blast_hardcheese>Package management: good
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18:43<blast_hardcheese>Dirty system: bad
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18:43<tha_toadman>blast_hardcheese: right, i agree but dependency hell = bad (to me)
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18:43<blast_hardcheese>tha_toadman: I run sid on all my boxes :\
18:43<tha_toadman>if i canceled the ./configure...do i need to clean anything or am i OK
18:44<dredtrake>bybye to all... :D thank again !! a lot! :)
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18:44<blast_hardcheese>you're good
18:44<tha_toadman>cool
18:44<tha_toadman>maybe i should switch to sid just for the sake of 'nut'
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18:44<tha_toadman>it's been hell trying to get it working so far
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18:45<adama>back so soon?
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18:45<dredtrake>im not in the franch room?
18:46<dredtrake>:french
18:46<adama>nein!
18:46<dredtrake>lol!!
18:46<marco__>I don't think I'm french. What one needs to do to be considered french?
18:47<adama>understand this:
18:47<marco__>maybe I need more colourful curtains, and drink more coffee
18:47<adama>!fr
18:47<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
18:47<dredtrake>i was thinking this cause i changed server..
18:48<marco__>oh, bugger. I guess I'm not french then
18:48<dredtrake>oki i'll try (shame on me !!!)
18:48<dredtrake>héhé
18:48<adama>just type /j debian-fr
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18:49<dredtrake>xchat irc.oftc.net /j debian-fr?
18:49<adama>depending on your IRC client I suppose... no.
18:49<adama>try typing /j debian-fr right now
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18:50<dredtrake>but where?
18:50<dredtrake>ok
18:50<adama>right here, like you were saying it
18:50<dredtrake>i understand!!
18:50<dredtrake>i'm still a noob.. :$
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18:51<adama>hang around here a while... :)
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18:52<dredtrake>debian-fr :Illegal channel name
18:52<MrNaz>http://blog.thedebianuser.org/?p=308 <-- this says that 4.0r4 is etcnhalf, does that mean that 4.0r6 is a newer version of etchnhalf ?
18:52<adama>worked for me... 67 people in there
18:52<dredtrake>oki needs the #
18:53<dredtrake>yeah , !!
18:53<adama>:)
18:53<dredtrake>thank you adama !!
18:53<dredtrake>until now i used the irc as a basic chat ....
18:54<dredtrake>didn't understood where to type the commands....
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18:54<adama>enjoy
18:55<bill_>hi
18:55<dredtrake>;) great, everyday i love my debian a little bit more, a little bit more :)
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18:56<oOboOntOo>bonsoirr
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18:58<blast_hardcheese>MrNaz: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf
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18:58<DiamondsTip>hi, im trying to switch my laptop over to debian and i was wondering if i should go with etch or lenny(testing), i notice a lot of the packages i require are available in lenny but not in etch
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19:03<adama>DiamondsTip: lenny rules
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19:03<DiamondsTip>all i needed to hear =-D
19:03<adama>I'm using it here at work as well as on my laptop at home
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19:03<adama>no issues
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19:09<adama>!qotd0
19:09<dpkg><sussudio> !irritate ravenqr <dpkg> ravenqr: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? <ravenqr> dpkg: what you need bro? <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, ravenqr <ravenqr> i have cable
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19:10<simonrvn>hehe
19:10<southafrikanse>hello. I just installed xampp however i cannot connect to localhost in my browser :/
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19:15<shilow>can someone help me with a problem i've searched and cant find anything to fix it, i run debian sid and i had totem-gstreamer working fine then one day i was converting some flv files and stripping off the audio ran a update and every video i play just has a green screen sound is fine but no video any idea what may have happened?
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19:24<zara>see ya!
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19:28<raven>holas
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19:29<raven>holas
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19:30<adama>!es
19:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:30<adama>shilow: mine did that as well. mplayer plays them OK though.
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19:32<dredtrake>sorry, how can i know who is online on a room?
19:33<adama>dredtrake: /who
19:33<simonrvn>room? where?
19:33<dredtrake>lol !! elementary! :)
19:33<adama>or even /w will work I believe
19:34<dredtrake>Unknown command
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19:34<dredtrake>for the /w command
19:34<dredtrake>;)
19:34<dredtrake>the other one is runnin :D
19:35<abrotman>dredtrake: /names
19:35<dredtrake>cool :)
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19:36<dredtrake>the list is huge! right here
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19:38<simonrvn>no kidding
19:38<simonrvn>/name -count
19:38<simonrvn>/names -count
19:38<simonrvn>even
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19:39<dredtrake>oki :)
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19:40<giles>forgive me if I am in the wrong room, I want to ask a question about kde4 and debian lenny
19:41<giles>I have installed kde4 as per instructions on kde4.debian.org
19:41<giles>I would like to install koffice
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19:42<dpalacio>giles: so... is there a problem?
19:42<giles>yes i do apt-get install koffice
19:42<giles>it tells me it needs to install kformula
19:42<giles>which it wont install
19:42<mikeifying>whats the error?
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19:43<giles>kde4 irc
19:43<giles>hmm
19:43<giles>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
19:43<giles> koffice: Depends: kformula (>= 1:1.6.3-7) but it is not going to be installed
19:43<giles>E: Broken packages
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19:44<craigevil> 1:1.6.3-7 is in sid you might try adding unstable to your sources.list
19:44<giles>i would rather not.
19:45<dpalacio>giles: koffice is not in kde4.d.n
19:45<dpalacio>koffice2, that is
19:45<giles>kde4.d.n?
19:45<dpalacio>debian.net
19:45<giles>ah so thats it then
19:46<giles>how hard would it be to backport koffice2 to lenny?
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19:47<giles>I am fairly comfortable at compiling packages from source
19:47<giles>I used to use LFS.
19:47<dpalacio>I do not think it is too much difficult. A few libraries might need to be backported too.
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19:48<giles>does it usually involve coding?
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19:48<dpalacio>not with debian packages
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19:49<giles>so if I can compile the needed packages I am half way there.
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19:50<mikeifying>i guess i wish i could be more help but im a newb haha
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20:47<docidu>hrmm, so, what im trying to do is copy files from a mounted windows share on a deb etch server, the files are stored in progressive sub dirs on the share, i need to get only files that do not exist in an local archive directory (not the destination directory) automatically on a regular basis, having no luck figureing out where to start searching on this one
20:48<docidu>i suppose this is more a general question then a debian specific one though..
20:48<themill>sounds like a job for rsync
20:48<docidu></facepalm>
20:48<docidu>doh
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20:50<docidu>hrmmz, ill go get reading....but rsynch wont have an issue pulling files from subdirs and placeing them all in a single dir while olny grabbing ones that dont exist in yet another dir?
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20:50<themill>oh.. you want to flatten the directory structure too? No, rsync can't do that.
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20:51<docidu>aye, flatten dir structure, and olny grab files that dont exist in a seperate archive dir
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20:51<docidu>another service moves the files to the archive dir after they are processed
20:52<themill>a pair of find commands and a diff to compare them might be needed then. Or better, a find command feeding a loop that tests for existence and then schedules the file to be copied.
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20:55<docidu>thanks, gives me a point to start from....been long day, brain acting all wierd
20:55<themill>good luck with it
20:56<abrotman>comm
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20:57<docidu>? comment related abrot?
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20:58<abrotman>comm is a program
20:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 358] by debhelper
20:59<abrotman>comm -13 <(sort list1) <(sort list2) .. or something like that
20:59<abrotman>might be -12
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21:05<flaco>hello... anyone has the intel GMA X4500HD running in debian lenny?
21:06<docidu>thanks...i check it out
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21:27<epilido>I have a dual monitor deb lenny sys using the current ati drivers from the nonfree tree. fglrx seems to be working correctly. When I have only my primary monitor the desktop is displayed when I connect the second monitor the second monitor becomes primary and logon starts on the second monitor and the desktops are switched. xorg.conf is at pastebin any suggestions? I have tried changing the numerical order of the identifiers in xo
21:27<epilido>rg.conf
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21:28<epilido>I would like the primary monitor to remain first. if one or both are connected
21:28<dondelelcaro>epilido: that won't change anything; you'd need an Option "RightOf" "OtherMonitor" or whatever, with the appropriate xrandr inputs defined
21:29<dondelelcaro>epilido: alternatively, if it doesn't do xrandr, use the serverlayout stanza
21:30<epilido>I have tried a rightof dosent seem to help
21:31<epilido>i think that xandr r calls the screes sifferent things when the both of the screes are connected or when only one is connected
21:31<epilido>I should add that this was working correctly befor a recient apt upgrade
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21:33<epilido>man xandr
21:33<epilido>sorry wron window
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21:44<enouf>hey abrotman BAN ME HERE TOO YOU SHITHEAD
21:45<enouf>dumb fuck
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22:21<warrior25>what is barcamp
22:22<abrotman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp
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22:24<tha_toadman>can someone please explain the hell the problem is with new Debian disto's not working with AHCI (i assume is the problem)
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22:25<tha_toadman>the 'testing' distro spits out 'block I/O errors' as does Ubuntu
22:25<tha_toadman>and i'm just trying to enter the installer
22:26<abrotman>so it's not just Debian ?
22:26<tha_toadman>yeah
22:26<amphi>lenny works fine with ahci here - perhaps you have some unsupported controller?
22:26<tha_toadman>i have a sata drive (with sata dvd drive) and with debian testing or ubuntu (from 7.10 to 8.10) they all grip about it
22:27<tha_toadman>i have a gigabyte board...i'll go look
22:27<Ananth123>u could be having some bad sectors perhaps ?
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22:28<tha_toadman> 1. North Bridge: Intel® G31 Express Chipset
22:28<tha_toadman> 2. South Bridge: Intel® ICH7
22:28<tha_toadman>ich7 shouldn't be an issue right?
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22:30<tha_toadman>i must have unsupported stuff...should i try sid instead of lenny?
22:30<abrotman>sid and lenny have the same kernel
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22:31<tha_toadman>well sheeiiit - hahaha
22:32<tha_toadman>piss on this project then...all i wanted was a working copy of NUT with Debian :( i can't win
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22:38<alxd>does this msg "INFO: task hald-addon-stor:3253 blocked for more than 120 seconds." has something to do with my md raid1 ?
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22:39<alxd>im running 2.6.26 btw
22:40<alxd>any ideas ?
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22:44<mike>can anyone tell me where it sticks my photos when i hook up a camera
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22:45<abrotman>it depends on what you told it to do with them
22:45<mike>it just asked me if i wanted to import them to my album
22:45<mike>and i hti yes haha
22:46<mike>so wheres my album at ?
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22:47<ramon>algum brasileiro?
22:47<ramon>?
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22:47<abrotman>!br
22:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:48<abrotman>mike: in gnome?
22:48<mike>yes
22:48<abrotman>probably in gThumb or F-spot
22:48<mike>ok
22:48<mike>where could i find that
22:48<mike>;p;
22:49<mike>lol
22:49<abrotman>in your gnome menu, there is a graphics submenu .. see which apps are there
22:49<mike>theres an image viewer but when i open it nothing is there
22:49<mike>it ask me to point it to a directory
22:49<abrotman>no, that won't be it
22:50<Ananth123>any images in your home directory ?
22:51<mike>nothin
22:52<mike>yeah haha im lost XD
22:52<mike>i dont even know where to look
22:53<Ananth123>hmm can you mount your camera ??
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22:53<Ananth123>if you can find a filename there, you can probably search your whole linux partition for it......
22:53<Ananth123>probably the worst way to find it, imo
22:53<abrotman>mike: it should have told where it was going
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22:54<mike>nah it just asked me if i wanted to import my images to my album
22:54<alxd>lol i always press ignare at this point
22:54<Ananth123>:-)
22:55<abrotman>so do i ...
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22:55<abrotman>mike: and you only have one app under Graphics ?
22:55<abrotman>not a single other entry?
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22:55<mike>i hve two but niether see it
22:55<mike>=/
22:55<Ananth123>which ones ?
22:56<mike>image viewer and gimp
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22:57<abrotman>mike: find /home/<username>/ -name *.jpg .. see anything useful ?
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22:59<alxd>terminal is under "tools"
23:00<alxd>heh
23:01<mike>i know that haha
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23:03<Ananth123>mike: in your image viewer, can you check the import photos option ?
23:03<Ananth123>and probably re-import them to a directory you specified ? :)
23:05<phorce1>so, I have a raid1 with one drive that has apparently had bad hardware failure (bios can no longer see it at boot). The other drive is doing it's thing and running the system fine. To replace the bad drive, I just format a new drive with the same partition scheme, mark the partitions all as linux raid autodetect, and plug it in?
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23:08<alxd>mike: i just tried the pic import myself and its really doing nothing
23:08<Ananth123>alxd: mike is not here
23:08<alxd>maybe you should try installing gthumb first
23:08<twb>In official Debian release numbers, does the r6 part of 4.0r6 just indicate the version of the install media?
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23:09<abrotman>twb: not quite
23:09<alxd>ah i see he left.. so well good luck
23:09<Ananth123>yeah
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23:10<abrotman>twb: it's the 6th revision of the original 4.0 .. like a service pack roughly ..
23:10<phorce1>twb: no, it basically indicates that there were enough security updates to justify rolling out a new install of an existing release
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23:10<abrotman>not just security updates
23:11<Ananth123>so r6 is more like a revision number ?
23:11<twb>abrotman: but surely that only matters for the install media -- because everyone who has installed it already will "apt-get upgrade"
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23:11<abrotman>twb: you assume everyone has internet sources
23:12<twb>OK, so rather than "install media" I should have just said "media" or "distro media" or something?
23:12<twb>i.e. for people who use the media not just for the install, but for upgrading when rN goes to rN+1
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23:16<abrotman>but you can use 4.0r1 and easily get to 4.0r6
23:17<epilido>so if anyone cares in case the question comes up again. I had a dual monitor setup with ati fglrx module. the screens were reversed. in xorc.conf under first device section the Option needs to be "swapScreens" "on"
23:18<twb>Well anyway, I think I understand the answer even if I asked my question badly
23:18<alxd>phorce1: found this http://cworld.wikidot.com/adm:debian-raid-1-recovery
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23:19<alxd>interesting, im running raid1 myself and didnt think about recovery yet heh
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23:24<fretless->hello all
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23:30<fretless->does anyone in here use a windows emulator? I want to see if a program I use regularly will work
23:30<abrotman>like wine ?
23:30<twb>abrotman: it's *not* an emulator! ;-P
23:30<abrotman>i know i know
23:31<alxd>its a windows compatible runtime enviroment you noob lol
23:31<gravity>I think it actually is now
23:32<gravity>Or not, never mind.
23:32<twb>gravity: hedging yer bets, eh?
23:32<alxd>nah its not emulating
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23:32<alxd>its porting the win system to unix
23:33<gravity>twb: No, I read somewhere that they had done a bit of emulation somewhere in the stack, but their myths page says it's not an emulator
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23:33<alxd>or winapi how you call it
23:33<fretless->well
23:33<fretless->whatever
23:33<twb>libwin32
23:33<fretless->I have a program I'm required to run and I'm sick of being stuck with windows
23:33<twb>fretless-: what program?
23:34<fretless->plasmacam
23:34<twb>biomed stuff?
23:34<fretless->and I'm curious if MasterCAM works too
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23:34<fretless->no it's CAD/CAM for a CNC plasma cutting system
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23:34<twb>Ah, owie
23:36<alxd>you could try vmware
23:36<fretless->I was thinking about it
23:36<alxd>i upgraded my mobile tru vmware
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23:36<alxd>i was sweating
23:36<twb>alxd: or a Free alternative
23:36<fretless->as long as I can send a clean signal through LPT1 I'm good to go
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23:36<alxd>but it worked, over usb connection
23:37<fretless->cool
23:37<alxd>twb: yeh sure, must not be vmware.. there are good alternatives
23:37<fretless->alxd: so you have xp running in vmware?
23:37<alxd>yeh
23:37<twb>fretless-: XP runs in VMware.
23:37<fretless->twb: yeah thanks I know that already
23:37<fretless->I was asking if he had it setup currently
23:38<alxd>no hassle
23:38<twb>I can't imagine why alxd's specific setup would matter to you
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23:38<fretless->twb: why does what matters to me concern you?
23:38<fretless->:P
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23:39<alxd>you know i just dl the vm-player and edit the vmx file in an editor
23:39<fretless->alxd: have you had any issues running any windows software in vmware
23:39<fretless->I used it back in the mid 90's when it first came out
23:40<fretless->I imagine they've improved on it a lot since then
23:40<alxd>fretless-: 90s?
23:40<fretless->yeah last century
23:40<twb>fretless-: I have issues with vmware-server including its own copies of apache and bind and completely screwing up my network configuration and generally being shitty.
23:40<fretless->I had windows 98 running
23:40<alxd>fretless-: yeh they improved some bits
23:41<twb>In particular I have issue with VMware 2.x console supporting Firefox (via tomcat, FFS) instead of GTK
23:41<alxd>seriously its close to the real system, you can connect to most peripherals
23:41<fretless->all I care about is that I want to run Linux on my system and I have to be able to use my CNC machine
23:41<alxd>just limited by your RAM and CPU
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23:42<fretless->I have a 2.4ghz with 1gb
23:42<fretless->y'know what I really liked was Crossover Office
23:42<fretless->heh
23:42<alxd>how much does this cnc prog eat?
23:43<fretless->nothing serious
23:43<phorce1>alxd: thanks for the link. Looks like my method should work too. I've fdisked the drive and created partitions that start/stop at exactly the same place as those on the still-working drive. No old raid left on the new drive. I'll pop it in when I get the server over here tomorrow and cross my fingers.
23:43<fretless->it's actually got a pretty small fingerprint
23:43<alxd>phorce1: good luck
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23:44<alxd>1GB RAM should do
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23:44<fretless->hrm
23:44<phorce1>alxd: maybe I'll boot a ghost CD first and image the existing drive .... hmmm, I wonder if that would work for "pre-building" the new half of the raid1 pair. That would be nice.
23:44<alxd>but 2GB doesnt hurt
23:44<fretless->this kind of shit bugs me
23:44<fretless->I want to try it out but
23:45<fretless->I can't screw over my working system
23:45<alxd>phorce1: i would like to help but my system is working. maybe i smash one drive to see how it works
23:46<phorce1>alxd: might not hurt to unplug the primary one day just to check that the system works
23:46<phorce1>I wish I had done that long ago now
23:46<alxd>yeh was thinking bout that
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23:47<alxd>phorce1: i get a lot of "INFO: task hald-addon-stor:3253 blocked for more than 120 seconds." in my syslog and i think its coming from md
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23:47<fretless->I should just buy crossover office
23:47<alxd>phorce1: but i dont think its serious, just disabled the msg
23:48<alxd>freealan: nah, openoffice rules!
23:48<fretless->openoffice?
23:48*phorce1 is going to try to take a nap now. It's amazing how much energy is drained by screaming at engineers on the phone (the servers should have been moved tonight)
23:48<fretless->isn't that like.. word and spreadsheets
23:48<alxd>hehe, yeh i confused some things
23:49<fretless->it's only $40
23:49<alxd>mhh, its commercial
23:49<alxd>:(
23:49<fretless->and I'd be much happier with my system
23:50<fretless->I've always wanted to run linux on my amd64
23:51<alxd>ok vmware is not open either, havent tried virtualbox tho
23:51<fretless->I really need to use something that's solid
23:51<fretless->it's worth it to me to pay the money
23:51<alxd>vmware is solid
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23:52<fretless->yeah but crossover office is completely different
23:52<fretless->vmware requires you to install windows
23:52<alxd>you dont loose anything if yout try it
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23:54*fretless- starts moving files around
23:54<fretless->isn't Ubuntu based on debian
23:54<alxd>fretless-: how is this cnc connected to your pc?
23:55<fretless->lpt1
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23:55<alxd>ok thats not too complex, maybe xover handles this
23:55<fretless->I hope so
23:55<alxd>i know for sure vmware handles lpt
23:56<alxd>right like usb
23:56<fretless->crossover office worked really nicely a few years ago
23:56<fretless->basically everything I installed worked
23:56<fretless->..except for half life
23:56<fretless->lol
23:57<alxd>i would dual boot for this hehe
23:57<fretless->ehh
23:57<fretless->I'm not a fan
23:57<fretless->I want to just install Linux and get xover
23:57<alxd>ok then
23:57<fretless->so sick of shitdows
23:58<fretless->Ubuntu is based on Debian right?
23:59<alxd>yeh its based on debian sid
23:59<fretless->I've heard good things
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