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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-01-13

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00:09<Lamorat>FUCK
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00:09<dmoerner>!ops
00:09<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
00:09<Wenhaver>FUCK
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00:17<chip>#ubuntu is down the hall and to the left, guys
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00:37<matt0>I just installed debian with the net-install on a separate partition, am I able to manually add .deb packages from another OS to debian's partition then run it from debian with the command line?
00:37<k1lumin4t1>does anybody know if debian prepackaged fglrx ati driver is exactly the same as the one in the ati drivers download website?
00:37<k1lumin4t1>matt0, yes, but no
00:38<matt0>No what
00:38<k1lumin4t1>matt0, is possible, at certain expences, but it's not recommendable
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00:40<matt0>Well, it's the only option other then moving my computer to my wireless router and plugging it in there, seeing as i'm not quite sure how to get my wireless card's drivers
00:40<dmoerner>matt0: it is an older version
00:41<matt0>The net install
00:41<k1lumin4t1>matt0, ¿?
00:42<matt0>Wait, older version of what?
00:42<k1lumin4t1>matt0, please, explain your actual problem
00:43<dmoerner>matt0: sorry, wrong person
00:43<dmoerner>k1lumin4t1: the fgrlx driver is an older version most likely
00:43<k1lumin4t1>dmoerner, yes, but is it actually dlded from the very same site?
00:43<dmoerner>yes
00:43<k1lumin4t1>dmoerner, debian's 8-7 is the same as ATI 8.7?
00:43<k1lumin4t1>ok, thanks
00:43<matt0>I was just wondering about manually adding a .deb package from ubuntu then running it from debian.
00:44<k1lumin4t1>matt0, not possible
00:44<k1lumin4t1>matt0, what for?¿
00:45<dmoerner>k1lumin4t1: read get-orig-source target in http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk/debian/rules?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
00:45<dmoerner>for an exact account of how the upstream tarball is changed into the .orig.tar.gz
00:45<dmoerner>the patches in http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-fglrx/fglrx-driver/trunk/debian/patches/?rev=0&sc=0 are then applied
00:46<matt0>So I can get a X windows system running then a desktop environment
00:46<k1lumin4t1>matt0, not sure what you're trying to say
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00:47<matt0>Never-mind I'll just try it and see if it works.
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00:50<morph>hello
00:51<dmoerner>hello
00:51<morph>how are you?
00:52<dmoerner>fine, but this is a support channel, so if you want to have a nice discussion please take it to another channel
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01:27<astronut>if i wanted to do "foo < bar" but have a delay between each line in bar getting passed to foo, is there a standard utility to do that or do i have to spin my own?
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01:28<dmoerner>something like this maybe? just a guess: while read $(bar); do foo < bar; done
01:28<dmoerner>astronut: ^^
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01:28<astronut>that won't work
01:28<jm_>astronut: there are tools that can limit the rate of the pipe
01:28<astronut>since it calls bar multiple times
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01:28<astronut>jm_: specifically?
01:29<dmoerner>ah you're right. sorry.
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01:30<jm_>astronut: cstream
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01:33<astronut>thanks
01:33<astronut>too complicated, not worth it, but i'll keep that in mind
01:34<jm_>but you can adjust that while loop if you can use that instead of an external tool
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01:44<knoppix_>hello
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01:44<mac>hi
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02:42<abli>Hi! I have an schroot sbuild setup as described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto (on a debian machine) Any idea how can I keep the ephemeral schroot around so that I can enter it when there is a build failure?
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03:12<morgan`>hi
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03:50<brianwillis1984>hey people im haveing issues with my debian could i ask for some help
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03:51<brianwillis1984>hello
03:52<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: Just go ahead and describe your issues.
03:52<gsimmons>!tell brianwillis1984 -about ask
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03:53<brianwillis1984>i think i spoke to u before simmons
03:53<brianwillis1984>i have the the old verison i guess..and well when i boot up i dont have any desktop
03:53<brianwillis1984>just commands
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03:54<brianwillis1984>and well last time i was in here everyone told me i have an old verison and that i should up date
03:54<brianwillis1984>and i came in here to see what verison i should get
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03:56<brianwillis1984>anyone?
03:58<brianwillis1984>hello?
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04:00<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: IIRC, you were requested to install testing ("Lenny") to correct an issue involving your Realtek-based Cardbus Ethernet controller.
04:00<brianwillis1984>yes
04:00<brianwillis1984>so where could i find this lenny
04:01<gsimmons>!install testing
04:01<dpkg>To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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04:02<brianwillis1984>and use this right lenny RC1 release
04:02<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: That's right. A netinst image (/msg dpkg netinst) should be sufficient, provided you have an available Internet connection and your network hardware is detected.
04:02<brianwillis1984>and what are amd64 alpha arm,etc mean
04:03<brianwillis1984>which one should i choose
04:03<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: They are ports for various system architectures. You would want i386 for use your legacy hardware.
04:03<gsimmons>s/use your/use on your/
04:04<brianwillis1984>ok thanks simmons
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04:05<brianwillis1984>so not to sound stuipd or anything just to be clear i should download debian i386 netinst right?
04:05<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: That's right.
04:05<brianwillis1984>ok
04:06<brianwillis1984>what is netinst?
04:06<gsimmons>!netinst
04:06<dpkg>it has been said that netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
04:06<brianwillis1984>ok so i dont have to be on the net to install?
04:07<Jpdota>brianwillis1984: if you use the netinst cd you do need to be
04:07<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: You can install the base system, but for anything else, you'll need an Internet connection available to download additional software.
04:08<Jpdota>netinst does the base?
04:08<gsimmons>Jpdota: That's right.
04:08<Jpdota>maybe i'm thinking of the businesscard cd
04:08<brianwillis1984>well simmions if u remember right i was was having drivers issues with the pcmia card?
04:09<brianwillis1984>couldnt get on the net
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04:10<brianwillis1984>i basically i one cd-r and i want to be able to get onto the "desktop"
04:10<brianwillis1984>and then from there i can figure it out
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04:11<shool>uu
04:12<brianwillis1984>anything?
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04:13<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: You may want to acquire and install from one of the available CD or DVD images. Though if you do have available recordable media, burning and testing the Lenny netinst image (to at least determine if this is still an issue) would be the faster initial option.
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04:16<brianwillis1984>simmons with the current copy that i have on the hard drive could i use a usb flash drive to get the stuff that i need?
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04:17<lloeki>damn! connection reset by peer again. I wish DI would support dtach or screen so I can reattach
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04:19<brianwillis1984>?
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04:21<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: IIRC, you have an Etch base system installed, without any network connectivity, which the channel was unable to find a solution for the last time you were here. I can only suggest to try the Lenny netinst, to confirm if your issue in still present with later kernels.
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04:21<brianwillis1984>ok
04:22<brianwillis1984>thanks for the help
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06:06<hever>Hello is there a tool that checks my local files related to debian packages and verifies the integrity? There was a hard disk problem and now some programs doesn't work and I need a tool that check all files.. Or must I reinstall ALL packages ?
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06:09<hever>Or is there a tool that may check what files are corrupted? Not sure if there are md5 infos stored for the installed files....
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06:10<petern>there's a package called debsums
06:11<hever>whow debian is so cool...
06:11<hever>(Best package management ever seen ;)
06:12<petern>dunno if it'll do what you want though :)
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06:12<hever>the desciption tells it
06:12<petern>debsums -s seems to provide useful output
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06:12<petern>debsums: can't open libsasl2-modules file /usr/lib/sasl2/libntlm.so.2.0.22 (No such file or directory)
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06:12<petern>like that
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06:17<hever>it seems doing exactly what I want. Thank you.
06:18<themill>you may also want -a to check config files. There are also options to make it quieter
06:20<hever>yes. ( I redirect the outputs)
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06:29<zulu>hi!, how to know what is the best usb wifi hardware available on linux?
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06:31<Txt-file>!tell zulu about wifi
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07:59<hever>Hej. How can I show in grep the matches and not the lines applying the regexp. I match something with (.*?) but how can I display it ? Somewehre something like $2...
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07:59<jm_>display what?
07:59<hever>the match
07:59<jm_>just the matched part or what?
07:59<hever>not just the line that matched
07:59<hever>yes
08:00<jm_>did you read the man page?
08:00<vjt>hever: GREP_COLOR=93
08:00<jm_>noticed -o switch?
08:00<vjt>hever: GREP_OPTIONS=--color=auto
08:00<vjt>in your environment
08:01<hever>yes but -o only the first match. I need the second
08:01<hever>each regexp itself is the first match but as I matching something with (.*?) I want to get the second macht.
08:01<jm_>no it prints the matched part, there is no first or second
08:02<hever>sure there is...
08:02<jm_>ok I'll waste my time on pysol instead
08:02<hever>the regexp itself matches, what is the first match. Then I match "subregexps" with ().
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08:03<themill>hever: then use awk, sed or perl and not grep.
08:03<hever>ahh awk yes thanks
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08:15<hnex>bonjour
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08:28<kurumin>ola
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08:28<nosklo>ish kurumin
08:28<kurumin>sim
08:28*nosklo foge
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08:28<kurumin>que treta e esta
08:28<nosklo>kurumin, kurumin não é debian.
08:29<jm_>!br
08:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:29<Fafnir>!es
08:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:29<kurumin>ok
08:29<Fafnir>better ;)
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08:54<donny>hi all. i'm on etch experiencing a segfault in strcpy(), but from within gdb i can see that strcpy()'s argument are both rather sane, and i can modify the destination argument so it isn't in a readonly segment or anything. any ideas would be greatly appreciated
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08:54<jm_>donny: perhaps program is behaving differently when not compiled with -g or not run in debugger
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08:55<donny>jm_: i'm sorry for being unclear. it is segfaulting within gdb as well. i cannot discern why
08:55<nadie>hi!
08:55<jm_>donny: what does it say if you tell it to execute the function?
08:56<donny>jm_: which function?
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08:57<jm_>donny: strcpy?
08:57<donny>jm_: what arguments shall i give it?
08:58<donny>jm_: it is not segfaulting upon entering strcpy for what it's worth, it gets several instructions into the function before segfaulting
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08:58<jm_>donny: well set a breakpoint in that line, then simply s to execute it
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09:00<donny>jm_: on the line that invokes strcpy()?
09:00<jm_>donny: yes
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09:01<jm_>donny: perhaps addresses are overlaping - did you verify that? also try vlgrind
09:01<donny>jm_: ok i have restarted the program, and it has hit the break point
09:01<donny>jm_: what do you mean about address overlap?
09:01<jm_>valgrind even
09:01<nadie>hi! anyone has tested ext4 on sid?
09:01<jm_>donny: man strcpy
09:01<donny>jm_: ah i see what you mean
09:02<donny>let me check
09:02<donny>hmm, no the arguments to strcpy() are very disparate, much further apart than the strings are wide (only 10 characters + null terminator, addresses like 0x600000 bytes apart)
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09:04<donny>how do i step one instruction at a tiem in gdb? i don't have debugging symbols for libc, when i said "step" it ran by many instructions
09:04<jm_>what happened when you have done "step" at the breakpoint?
09:05<donny>jm_: what should i do with valgrind? i've never used it before. i thought it was for diagnosing memory allocation issues with the libc allocator
09:05<jm_>donny: valgrind appname
09:05<donny>jm_: it segfaulted at the same address it did before, strcpy+19
09:06<donny>i don't know how to get register values in gdb either
09:06<jm_>info registers
09:06<donny>thanks
09:06<jm_>use its completion and help commands ;)
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09:07<jm_>donny: well it would be much easier if I could run it - perhaps it's corrupted stack
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09:07<donny>well i'm installing valgrind now.. yes i was wondering about that. would you like a binary of the program? perhaps i can create a statically linked one
09:07<jm_>ahh so no source is available?
09:08<donny>jm_: it is, i just thought i'd make things easier on you. ok let me get the repo URL
09:08<donny>https://dxx-rebirth.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/dxx-rebirth/tags/v0_55/d2x-rebirth
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09:09<jm_>donny: does it have to be svn version?
09:09<donny>jm_: i've never tried any other version. anyhow that tag is a release version, not trunk ;)
09:10<donny>jm_: i created my own makefile for it because i couldn't understand scons: http://gist.github.com/46353
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09:10<jm_>donny: I asm asking because I don't have svn installed here
09:10<donny>jm_: ah, well.. h/o
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09:11<donny>jm_: i think the easier way to do this would be for you to give me a public ssh key and me to give you a login
09:12<donny>donny@teamspace:~/d2x-rebirth-0.55$ valgrind d2x-rebirth
09:12<donny>Bus error
09:12<donny>ugh... wtf
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09:14<donny>ah, valgrind failed because i had accidentally truncated my file temprarily when... hmm.. now it segfaulted.. maybe my machine is dying... still i feel like a lot of other things would be failing if that were the case
09:14<donny>i'll try to reboot
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09:15<nadie>hi! anyone has tested ext4 on sid?
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09:19<donny>well rebooting didn't help
09:21<jthomas>Good morning! (here ;) What would I need to install for Lenny to run both 32 and 64 bit apps on a amd64 install?
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09:22<jm_>donny: I have it compiled, let me try to run this thing
09:22<jm_>jthomas: there's ia32-something package, try that
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09:23<donny>jm_: oh wait
09:23<jm_>donny: I'll have to run soon, I will look into this tomorrow - join the channel if you won't figure it out
09:23<donny>jm_: i mean, you need game data, and it worked with some game data but not others. i should make a regression
09:23<donny>ok
09:23<jthomas>jm_ its installed already
09:23<jthomas>so in the future I should be OK to go?
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09:26<jm_>jthomas: for some stuff yes
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09:26<jm_>donny: ahh so it won't run for me then
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09:28<jm_>donny: sorry have to run now
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09:42<blockowitsch>hello. i know, network-manager is only intended for gui use, but a friend of mine got a problem and can't start kde anymore. is there a way to use and configure network-manager in the shell?
09:43<blockowitsch>i need to access his computer with ssh to repair it, but for that he needs wlan
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09:43<blockowitsch>i know i can do it without network-manager, but it would make things much easier
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09:46<l4ncel0t>hi all
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09:46<l4ncel0t> does someone know what is the cpu controler for speedstep on a xeon 53XX
09:46<l4ncel0t>in 2.6.26 (lenny)
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09:54<gsimmons>blockowitsch: You may be interested in cnetworkmanager: http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager/
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09:58<blockowitsch>gsimmons: chears, sounds exactly like what i need
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10:05<blockowitsch>cnetworkmanager looks like something that requires packaging :)
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10:11<enouf>l4ncel0t: do you mean cpufreqd pkgs?
10:12<enouf>!cpufreqd
10:12<enouf>!cpufreq
10:12<dpkg>somebody said cpufreq was a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle.
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10:13<enouf>bah - apt-cache search cpufreq scaling
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10:18<pontes>oi
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10:19<l4ncel0t>enouf: I speak about speedstep module
10:19<l4ncel0t>speedstep-lib load but nothing else
10:20<enouf>l4ncel0t: grep SPEEDSTEP /boot/config-`uname -r`
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10:20<enouf>run modinfo on each
10:20<enouf>er each that are =m
10:21<l4ncel0t>I tried to load each one and it's don't work
10:21<enouf>l4ncel0t: ensure you have speedstep/whatever enabled in the BIOS
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10:21<enouf>l4ncel0t: have you tried the cpufreq pkgs i mentioned? read the docs?
10:21<l4ncel0t>enouf, hum the bios... good idea
10:22<l4ncel0t>enouf I have the cpufreutils installed
10:22<l4ncel0t>I check the bios
10:22<enouf>;-)
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10:36<Shinigami>здрасте всем)
10:36<cdlu>!ru
10:36<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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10:38<l4ncel0t>hum nothing in the bios about power management
10:38<l4ncel0t>(it's an ibm x3650)
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10:48<mike>hello debian =D
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11:00<enouf>l4ncel0t: have you tried #ibm-thinkpads or whatever?
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11:01<l4ncel0t>no, will try
11:01<enouf>l4ncel0t: cpufreq scaling isn't really power management (which would be more ACPI or APM related)
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11:02<enouf>l4ncel0t: wait one moment - stay here as well
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11:03<l4ncel0t>enouf on a server I won't do more than changing cpu freq
11:03<enouf>l4ncel0t: on freenode.net there's ##ibmthinkpad and #thinkpad-forum
11:03<l4ncel0t>will have a look thank
11:03<enouf>l4ncel0t: over there i found that doing /msg ALIS list #*thinkpad*
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11:04<enouf>l4ncel0t: i see nothing here on oftc with ibm, nor think in it's name that might be related
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11:05<enouf>l4ncel0t: there's also thinkwiki.org
11:05<enouf>oh hehe - it's in that channel /topic
11:06<l4ncel0t>enouf thank for your help
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11:07<enouf>l4ncel0t: np ;-) i just realized, yours is not a thinkpad :-P .. is that a server? it must have something for it ;-) though Servers rarely idle - you might try wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware ?
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11:08<l4ncel0t>yes thinkpad is not the same hardware at all
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11:10<atdless>Urm I'm trying batch jobs to break a BIG(!!!!) rsync transfer into a load of smaller chunks, but "atd" keeps stopping on me in unexplained ways. Alas this is urm Sarge still - it would be running Lenny by now if I could get the damn rsync to work effectively.
11:10<l4ncel0t>with cpufreq you can charge on core util it is full the other are idle and your save power
11:10<jthomas>I cannot seem to get the wifi working on my Lenovo X200; I followed this page http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_Sid_on_an_X200 and have the 2.6.27 kernel running, but no go. Any suggestions?
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11:11<atdless>Any better way of running N commands in parallel - currently I have a script that outputs a long list of rsync commands, and I feed then into "batch" so it will run them 3 or 4 at a time, and it works for 15 mins or so and then atd stops, and no new tasks are launched
11:11<OdyX>jthomas: you use Sid. Help yourself !
11:11<jthomas>thanks OdyX I am trying.
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11:12<enouf>l4ncel0t: well, with linux you can also use such things as taskset to assign/confine processes to certain cores only, you can drop/hotplug CPUs, you can use coarse memory management, etc
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11:12<l4ncel0t>yes but with cpufreq it's auto
11:12<OdyX>jthomas: get the firmware package
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11:12<OdyX>and everything should be OK
11:12<enouf>jthomas: have you seen the thinkpad related channels i mentioned above?
11:13<enouf>l4ncel0t: anything can be automated - it's all about setting it up
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11:14<l4ncel0t>http://www.lesswatts.org/
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11:14<jthomas>I have the firmware per that HowTo; I did not, enouf, I'll check that now
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11:16<enouf>l4ncel0t: yes, that's another good site - also perhaps the powertop app/util?
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11:20<adri>hi all
11:20<adri>can i ask a question :) ?
11:20<nadie>hi! anyone using ext4?
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11:20<adri>after instalation nvidia driver for video
11:20<adri>a mus pre compiling kernel or not ?
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11:48<glax>if I have 6 GB of ram install why etch only detect 3GB?
11:49<OdyX>glax: because you need a special 32 bits kernel or a 64 bits kernel
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11:49<OdyX>32 bits is only enough to address 4 Gigs
11:49<Fafnir>glax, it's a limitation on 32bit systems. Use linux-server image or enable PAE support in kernel
11:50<enouf>!bigmem
11:50<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit.
11:50<enouf>glax: if the CPU is 64bits, you could also use an amd64 kernel from debian
11:50<OdyX>Fafnir: AFAIK, there are no such "linux-server" images...
11:50<enouf>there isn't
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11:51<enouf>though i found out there's linux-image-686 nowadays :-P
11:51<Fafnir>OdyX, thx for the correction :)
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11:51<Fafnir>and sorry :P
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11:52<OdyX>no problem Fafnir
11:52<glax>I already have the system install, is there a way I can correct that with reinstall?
11:52<OdyX>glax: no need to reinstall
11:53<glax>OdyX, which kernel do I need to install?
11:53<OdyX>glax: just boot your Debian as normally, install package linux-image-$NUMBER-{686,amd64}-bigmem and reboot
11:53<OdyX>!tell glax about bigmem
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11:53<glax>thanks
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11:57<glax>ok, other thing, how can I have 2 nic configure on the same computer. I set the ip on /etc/network/interfaces for eth1 and eth0 but if I configure both none of them works
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11:59<OdyX>glax: you cannot set the same IP{v4,v6} to two different interfaces
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11:59<glax>OdyX, different IP on different nic
11:59*OdyX goes to Google to search "nic".
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11:59<glax>eth0 = 192.168.0.1 and eth1=192.168.0.2
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12:00<OdyX>check your routes / gateways
12:00<Torsten_W>glax: both nics are in the same subnet
12:00<sd_>hi guys! I have a problem with my Postfix mail system. I just migrated from standart inetd driven poper to courier-pop and courier-pop-ssl (we need to SSL protest our pop sessions ). And it appears that by default courier-pop configured to Maildir option but it can't find the user's mailboxes (it's located in /var/mail). Please help me what to adjust in the settings to make it working quickly. Thank yo in advance.
12:00<Torsten_W>glax: this can't work
12:00<glax>yes
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12:01<glax>why?
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12:01<Torsten_W>glax: your os can't know, which nic it should use
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12:01<glax>Torsten_W, the problem is that I want to use both of them
12:02<Torsten_W>for what?
12:02<OdyX>glax: to increase the bandwidth ?
12:02<glax>no
12:02<glax>trying to migrate 2 servers to a single 1
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12:02<glax>and needed to use 2 ips for an application to work
12:03<Torsten_W>use diferent subnets
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12:04<glax>will do that then
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12:04<OdyX>or use Xen
12:04*OdyX uses Xen with happiness.
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12:05<adama>glax: you can do what you are trying to do, I think
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12:05<adama>glax: have 2 NICs with IPs on the same subnet
12:05<glax>yes? how?
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12:07<adama>glax: erm, I am thinking of something slightly different but might help you anyways, sorry
12:07<adama>you can just put the 2 IPS on the same NIC
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12:08<adama>it is not recommended to do the first thing
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12:08<esop>remove the default route or gateway from nic two.
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12:11<glax>this is what route returns
12:12<glax>localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
12:12<nadie>anyone have tested ext4?
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12:12<OdyX>!tell nadie about anyone
12:12<glax>default mygateway 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
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12:16<adama>glax: that's fine. Remove eth1, and set a second "sub-interface" on eth0 (eth0:1) in /etc/network/interfaces
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12:17<adama>glax: then your machine will have both IPs, just one NIC
12:18<adama>I think that is what you want?
12:19<adama>http://pastebin.ca/1307364 /etc/network/interfaces
12:19<adama>is how to do it
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12:49<Slown>hello
12:49<esop>hi
12:49<Slown>Where I can find an asterisk channel
12:49<esop>?
12:49<Slown>I have a questions about asterisk
12:49<Slown>I search a channel
12:50<Slown>If I can find an asterisk experts here why not
12:50<Slown>:)
12:50<Tengu>Slown: well... on http://www.asterisk.org/community you'll find this : IRC: #asterisk, port 6667 at irc.freenode.net
12:50<esop>did you try #asterisk on irc.freenode.net ?
12:50<Tengu>-.-
12:50<Tengu>esop: :D
12:51<Slown>thanks my friend
12:51<Slown>:)
12:51<Tengu>and there are community by country on the web page.
12:51<esop>props to Tengu for being quick on the draw :P
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12:54<Slown>I ask you I want to use asterisk
12:54<Slown>like skype
12:54<Slown>between 2 pc
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12:54<Slown>without use phones IP
12:55<Slown>or other material
12:55<Slown>is it possible ?
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12:58<Slown>?
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12:59<Tengu>Slown: yeah. but maybe have a look to ekiga, I remember you can do real SIP call.
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12:59<Slown>thanks Tengu
12:59<Tengu>it's _really_ easier if it's only betwwen two pcs.
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13:00<Tengu>asterisk is a bit hard :)
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13:01<Slown>I'm student network & telecom
13:01<Slown>don't worry
13:01<Slown>;)
13:01<Tengu>Slown: if your two computers have ekiga, you just should have to type "sip://<ip>".
13:01<Tengu>:D so use asterisk :D
13:01<Slown>of course
13:01<Slown>:D
13:01<Tengu>we have 3 asterisk at work.... but that's really not my part -.-'
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13:02<Slown>what is you part Tengu ?
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13:02<Tengu>Slown: sysadmin for the other servers, support lvl one for users...
13:02<Tengu>some devels for our sysadmin web interface...
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13:03<Tengu>we have a telecom engineer for the asterisk part :D
13:03<Slown>it's good
13:03<Slown>:)
13:03<Tengu>yup
13:03<Tengu>so... going back to pylons :D
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13:03<Tengu>good luk with your asterisk ;)
13:04<Slown>thanks tengu
13:04<Slown>you're engineer ?
13:06<Tengu>nope. I don't have any paper of that kind. self-made.
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13:06<Tengu>just a geek in fact.
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13:07<Slown>ok :)
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13:16<mib_zs77zl>hi! im trying to connect on a windows shared connection (the with windows XP and two eth cards) in a static ip... im modifying /etc/network/interfaces, and tried ifconfig eth1 ip address... nothing seems to work
13:18<magyar_>anyone here using racoon server on lenny or etch for roadwarrior setup?
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13:18<barnes>mib_zs77zl you added a route also?
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13:19<mib_zs77zl>barnes: yes... theres a router here
13:19<barnes>no not a router a route
13:20<mib_zs77zl>barnes: lol... sorry... no.. i think not... all that im trying now is to type the ifconfig directives
13:21<mib_zs77zl>barnes: how do i do this?
13:21<mib_zs77zl>barnes: i tried to copy the information from a interfaces file on a working ubuntu connection in the same network, but it didnt work
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13:22<barnes>mib_zs77zl or you added a second nic you dont need a route then
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13:22<barnes>mib_zs77zl does the network card work ?
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13:23<mib_zs77zl>barnes: yes, for sure...
13:23<mib_zs77zl>barnes: i connect with this laptop on dhcp networks all the time
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13:23<barnes>you got a driver for it?
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13:24<mib_zs77zl>barnes: yes... its the tg3 driver built in on kernel 2.6.26 and newer
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13:25<user>hello
13:25<user>anyone here have asus eee pc
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13:25<barnes>mib_zs77zl what os are you useing?
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13:25<Guest316>anyone have eee pc?
13:25<Guest316>that is usng a debian os on it
13:25<mib_zs77zl>barnes: debian :p
13:26<barnes>what version
13:26<mib_zs77zl>sid with 2.6.26-1amd64 kernel
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13:27<dgodfather>hi guys, i have an external ntfs formatted drive, a seagate free Agent. i want to auto mount and unmount it. i installed the ntfs-3g and edited fstab like this
13:28<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m4d6a7816
13:29<dgodfather>now it mounts fine doing mount -a or on reboot but i can't unmount it. i understand root privilidges are required to unmount internal drives but mine is external, and the only thing i can think of that makes
13:29<dgodfather>it look as if internal is the ntfs FS
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13:30<dgodfather>how can i make it unmountable to my regular user and remountable
13:30<dgodfather>?
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13:30<dgodfather>the error i get trying to unmout is -> You are not privileged to unmount the volume 'FreeAgent Drive'.
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13:32<Slown>I have problem with squid
13:32<Slown>I don't know where is the problem
13:33<esop>dgodfather: just make the volume an offer it can't refuse!
13:33<metalqga>like pulling the cable out?
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13:34<mib_zs77zl>barnes: well.. not quite sure how to solve this
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13:35<mib_zs77zl>metalqga: are you root?
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13:38<fmb>where do i find swrast_dri.so for Xfbdev
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13:40<barnes>dgodfather think you need to add users when you mount it in fstab
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13:43<dgodfather>sorry guys for the delay, work call
13:43<Janoff>do anybody know how to turn off sounds in Frozen bubble?
13:43<dgodfather>metalqga, i am not root nor do i want to be, i want to execute that with regular user, right click unmount
13:44<metalqga>tried using mount applets?
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13:44<barnes>dgodfather add it in /etc/fstab when you mount it
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13:44<dgodfather>barnes, it is in /etc/fstab i posted the printout of fstab
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13:44<mike>m having a permissions problem on my hardrive
13:45<dgodfather>i am using a mount applet
13:45<mike>i can see the files on the hardrive but i cant access them
13:45<mike>it says i need permission
13:45<metalqga>and it cant unmount after that?
13:45<dgodfather>it's just a problem with unmounting the volume
13:45<dgodfather>metalqga, yep
13:45<mike>im trying to use chmod
13:45<barnes>dgodfather /dev/sdb1 /mnt/FreeAgent ntfs-3g defaults,umask=0,users 0 0
13:45<dgodfather>can mount but not unmount, i read that you need to be root to unmount internal cd's
13:45<enouf>eww
13:45<mike>but i dont know how to apply my permission change to the whole folder ( including subdirectorys
13:45<enouf>ntfs
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13:45<dgodfather>barnes, OK trying
13:46<enouf>is your user in the fuse group?
13:46<dgodfather>enouf, why ntfs and not ntfs-3g?
13:46<enouf>mike: man chmod see -R
13:46<mike>kk
13:46<mike>-R
13:46<mike>?
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13:46<enouf>dgodfather: what?
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13:47<dgodfather>enouf, i don't have fuse group
13:47<enouf>with ntfs-3g you do/would
13:48<enouf>i must be confusing you with barnes
13:48<fmb>how to conf Xfbdev
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13:48<enouf>and whatever issues you have - seen /msg dpkg automount? wouldn't you use pmount to mount as a user?
13:48<enouf>!pmount
13:48<dpkg>pmount is, like, "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount).
13:48<dgodfather>barnes, thanks man it worked
13:48<barnes>np
13:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 379] by debhelper
13:49<dgodfather>well i have to do some reading about the fstab seriously it's starting to be a pain in the ass not to have full control of the subject
13:49<mike>allright
13:49<mike>i believe that did it
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13:50<metalqga>me thinks you shouldn't mount it in fstab while using mount applets
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13:50<dgodfather>this is the best irc channel!!!!! and it's thanks to all you guys here willing to help anyone with everything
13:50<dgodfather>metalqga, it's OK i am only using the default gnome mount
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13:50<ranix>dgodfather: not so much, we tend to help more with interesting problems and less with "how to configure xfbdev"
13:51<dgodfather>ranix, well my problem was not that interesting, still you guys helped me
13:51<mike>ok it changed the folder permissions but it wont lemme open my mp3's
13:51<ranix>dgodfather: guys like me just sit in here and wait for an easy question to help repay our help debt from when we were new too ;)
13:51<dgodfather>i thank everyone for that
13:51<dgodfather>hee
13:51<dgodfather>good enough for me, hope to be there one day
13:52<mike>still saying i dont have the permissions heres the command im running
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13:52<mike>chmod -R a+x media
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13:52<dgodfather>ranix, i thank everyone for that. good enough for me, hope to be there one day
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13:53<cahoot>mike: vfat?
13:53<luis_>hi
13:53<mike>cahoot: no i believe its an ntfs formated 500gb hardrive
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13:54<mike>cahoot, i can acess my drive and the subdirectories
13:54<mike>it just wont change the permissions to my mp3s
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13:55<cahoot>mike: got a line in fsteb concerning the disk?
13:55<cahoot>fstab
13:56<mike>cahoot: well if can view the hardrive would it matter i mean i can see all the shit on it it just says i need root permissions to play the mp3;s
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13:56<cahoot>mike: was mostly interested in what mount options you use
13:57<mike>cahoot, well i made myself the owner of the drive =P
13:57<mike>cahoot, and mounted it to media haha
13:57<mike>big problem is even with chmod -R a+x media it still wont give me access to the music lol
13:57<mike>it says i had to be root
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13:58<mike>so im confused because x = execute so i should be able to play the mp3's correct
13:58<cahoot>doubt you need x
13:59<Honksu>Can I remove symbolic links: config & System.map & vmlinuz from /boot ?
13:59<Honksu>Or are they required by kernel/program/sript?
13:59<Honksu>grub?
14:00<drone77>mike surely you'd need w not x?
14:00<drone77>sorry make that an r
14:00<mike>r?
14:00<drone77>read
14:00<mike>thats just read acess?
14:01<mike>a is all lol
14:01<mike>why would i add w?
14:01<mike>or r lol
14:01<drone77>i made a mistake, meant to type r not w
14:01<mike>lol i can read the file
14:01<drone77>that's not enough to play it?
14:01<mike>i just cant execute the mp3s
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14:02<drone77>didn't know you could execute an mp3, but maybe i'm wrong
14:03<mike>lol
14:03<mike>now somehow ive locked the folder
14:03<cahoot>mike: how exactly do you try to 'execute mp3'?
14:03<mike>-.-
14:03<fxiny>first of all : your mp3 should be 644 , then what are you using to play it ?
14:03<mike>im just saying
14:04<mike>[a] is an argument that gives you all access correct?
14:04<mike>so why would i need to add [r] to my argument
14:04<fxiny>chmod 644
14:04<mike>ok
14:04<fxiny>and +x to the dir
14:05<mike>now the folder says its locked haha
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14:05<mike>im confused XD
14:05<barnes>mike waht owner and group have the files?
14:05<barnes>what*
14:05<jthomas>chmod -R ugo+rX /home/path/to/mp3/ << this will add Read permissions to all mp3s for every user, and allow eXectuting (opening) of folders but not the files inside (x is all, X is just folders)
14:06<fxiny>folders ? no folder but dir : chmod 755 dir
14:06<mike>well me and my dad switched it "dad"
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14:06<mike>but for somereason
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14:06<mike>the owner and group in the mp3 folder wont change
14:06<mike>they remain root
14:06<fxiny>can you chmod it 755 ?
14:06<jthomas>root must change them then
14:06<mike>ok well im working on it in a root terminal =P
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14:06<barnes>mike chown -R dad /directory
14:06<mike>ok hold on
14:06<fxiny>are you mounting some dvd ?
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14:07<jthomas>ok. sorry, I am sure fxiny has you covered :)
14:07<mike>lemme go over on the comp im workin on haha
14:07<ruben>Can someone help me?
14:07<jthomas>!ask
14:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
14:07<fxiny>do not chmod -R the world
14:07<jthomas>ruben whats up?
14:08<ruben>I cannot install xubuntu on my old 89
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14:09<drone77>!xubuntu
14:09<dpkg>hmm... xubuntu is a derivative of Ubuntu with the Xfce desktop environment. /join #xubuntu @ irc.freenode.net for support. See also <based on debian>.
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14:09<fxiny>mike: find your_dir -name *.mp3 -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644
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14:10<ruben>How do I do that?
14:10<fxiny>this resets your +x
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14:10<jthomas>ruben what is an 'old 89' ?
14:10<ruben>98 sorry
14:11<jthomas>what is that?
14:11<ruben>A windows 98
14:11<jthomas>?
14:11<mike>fxiny
14:11<jthomas>Linux isn't installed on Windows...
14:11<fxiny>98 ? my PII 400 is a 98 :P
14:11<mike>ok i unlocked the folder
14:11<ruben>Oh, never mind
14:11<ruben>I have to go now anyway
14:11<mike>so im staring at the directory that the mp3's sit in
14:11<jthomas>or do you want to wipe the machine that *used to run* Win98 ?
14:11<metalqga>mine was PII 350 32mbram
14:11<fxiny>mike: please , call it dir
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14:12<jthomas>ok come back again, we can help, ruben... but not so much with xubuntu
14:12<metalqga>no we won't :P
14:12<jthomas>lol
14:12<fxiny>mike: chmod 755 that dir
14:12<goodger>*nod*
14:12<mike>ok
14:12<mike>ill brb lol
14:13<metalqga>why is mike always laughing?
14:13<eliteforce>I'd like to clone a real server into a virtual machine. This way I could take the vm with me and try new stuff without breaking the real server. All I'd need is a two way synchronization. What do you think about that idea?
14:13<Pryon>drugs
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14:13<fxiny>heheeh
14:14<mike>im a happy person why not laugh?
14:14<mike>ok fxiny doesnt look liek it did anything
14:14<mike>the terminal gave me no output on the command
14:14<fxiny>mike: ls -al dir ? paste only one line
14:14<mike>??
14:14<fxiny>mike: no news are good news
14:15<mike>haha ok
14:15<metalqga>nice thought
14:15<barnes>eliteforce rsync or nc is possible
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14:15<fxiny>mike: so ? what ls -al dir shows ?
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14:17<dad>ok its mike =P
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14:17<dad>the ls -al ouputs nothing
14:17<fxiny>can't be
14:17<dad>i get a little arrow
14:17<dad>>
14:17<dad>thats it
14:18<eliteforce>barnes: but aren't there any problems if I sync / (maybe excluding /dev and other stuff) from within the vm?
14:18<fxiny>dad: ls -al dir > drwxr-xr-x
14:18<fxiny>and who ownes it ?
14:18<dad>the dir?
14:18<metalqga>folder hahah
14:18<dad>"dad" owns the dir but root owns everything inside
14:19<fxiny>metalqga: wt4x !
14:19<dad>fxiny now it denys me acces completely to the folder lol
14:19<eliteforce>hmm maybe I should just sync /etc,/home.. and a pkg-selections list
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14:20<barnes>eliteforce if you allready have an virtualserver i would rsync the dirs needed
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14:20<fxiny>dad: whre this f* dir coming from ? is it on a dvd ?
14:20<barnes>eliteforce if you need an copy of a server i whould use nc over the network
14:20<dad>another hd
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14:21<eliteforce>barnes: with nc you mean netcat? Oo
14:21<fxiny>and what app are you using for playing ?
14:21<dad>well it wont let me use any because i dont have the permissions -.-
14:22<dad>i own the folde4r but not the files inside...
14:22<barnes>eliteforce yes
14:22<fxiny>you set wrong permissions while mounting it then
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14:22<eliteforce>barnes: to avoid the initial synchronization effort of rsync?
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14:23<dad>how can i set the wrong permissions if i own the drive and everything on it but the mnp3's? i mean chmod changed everything except the mp3's
14:23<barnes>eliteforce i only used nc to clone real servers if i need an exact copy
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14:24<Pryon>mytharchive users: did some mytharchive themes get lost in the latest sid update?
14:24<dad>cd /media
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14:24<fxiny>chmod ? why is root owning all ? man chown
14:24<dad>opps wrong window =P
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14:24<dad>lol ive run that to
14:24<dad>but how can i output chown to all the files in the folder?
14:24<fxiny>dad: i wanna see ls -al output
14:25<dad>ok
14:25<eliteforce>barnes: and how do you do that?
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14:26<dad>drwsr--r-- 1 dad dad 1482752 2009-01-11 12:57 MP3's
14:26<dad>thats the folder
14:26<fxiny>seen ?
14:26<dad>it wont lemme get into it on terminal
14:26<fxiny>wt4x !
14:26<eliteforce>barnes: oh i found something, nvm
14:26<fxiny>dad: su and chmod it 755
14:26<barnes>eliteforce it is a bit trixy you need nc to listen on the target and start nc on the source
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14:26<dad>im in a root terminal so i dont need to su right?
14:26<fxiny>and s ? wt4x !
14:27<fxiny>how did you mount it ?
14:27<eliteforce>barnes: yeah but what I wondered about was what you're transferring actually, looks like dd can help here.
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14:28<dad>we used the mount command
14:28<dad>and mounted the drive to media
14:28<barnes>eliteforce hmm you might be right maybe it was dd and pipe it to nc on source
14:28<dad>mount dev/sdb5 media
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14:29<dad>fxiny i got the little > again lol
14:30<fxiny>dad: your dir is set uid
14:30<dad>what do you mean ?
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14:30<dad>if your asking if the ownership is to my uid yes
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14:31<fxiny>dad: read read read , here you are , first i found on google : http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html
14:32<dad>thank you
14:32<fxiny>np
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14:32<eliteforce>barnes: this also looks nice: http://improbable.org/chris/index.php?ID=185
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14:38<skimp>so is it possible to run like warcraft 3 on linux?
14:38<skimp>and is there an iso loader equivilant to daemon tools or something that would allow it.
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14:40<eliteforce>hmmm where is phpmyadmin 3 in debian?
14:41<stew>judd: versions phpmyadmin
14:41<judd>stew: phpmyadmin -- etch: 4:2.9.1.1-8 etch-security: 4:2.9.1.1-9 sid: 4:2.11.8.1-4 lenny: 4:2.11.8.1-5 sid: 4:2.11.8.1-5 experimental: 4:3.1.1-1
14:41<stew>eliteforce: in experimental
14:41<eliteforce>ohw
14:42<metalqga>skimp yes
14:42<hever>Hej there. Ho can I get a java binary or a link to it under Debian the easy way? (I'm going to run eclipse and it tells me there is no java binary.) Is there a compatibility package that creates symlinks or installes a java binary? I still installed openjdk gcj and ecj but all have no java binary...
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14:47<skimp>metalqga : linux isnt listed on wc3'd system requirements... itll still run fine though?
14:48<adama>warcraft 3?
14:48<metalqga>no you need to run it with wine http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14154
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14:50<adama>warcraft 3 or WoW? Either way it will work with wine
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14:50<metalqga>me thinks he has a lot to learn before attempting to run it in linux
14:51<skimp>heh =o
14:51<skimp>yea for sure, its actually my friend that is contimplating starting to run linux on his laptop
14:51<skimp>that wants to know if one day he will be able to run his wc3 on it if he wants
14:51<eliteforce>probably most important is the 3d graphics driver .. for gaming :)
14:51<skimp>thanks though. wine looks promising
14:51<adama>it's not hard, just apt-get install wine, put in the disc and run setup.exe
14:52<eliteforce>aptitude ! tztztz
14:52<metalqga>cedega plays more games, but you have to pay for the service
14:53<adama>no aptitude!
14:53<eliteforce>except you crack it
14:53<eliteforce>adama: why's that
14:53<hever>I also ran update-java-alternatives as dpkg say but this gives me just "awk: cannot open /usr/lib/jvm/*.jinfo (No such file or directory)"
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14:54<adama>it suggests dumb things
14:54<metalqga>eliteforce and what's the point in doing it?
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14:56<eliteforce>metalqga: I guess you bypass the "pay" part
14:56<eliteforce>adama: I see
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14:58<eyeris>What happened to the boot-floppies package on etch?
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14:59<hever>An if I try to run update-java-alternatives not with -a and set it manually I get no .jinfo file everytime. Somebody has an idea?
15:00<metalqga>eliteforce I prefer wine to cracked cedega
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15:00<adama>hever: try the update-alternatives command?
15:00<eliteforce>metalqga: good
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15:01<hever>no just the java one (what dpkg told)
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15:01<metalqga>tried installing sun-java pkg?
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15:02<barnes>eliteforce yes that url looks ok this is about what i mean with nc http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:JmkkrqmU33oJ:it.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Clone_a_Gentoo_Server_or_Workstation+linux+clone+server+with+dd+and+nc&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=opera
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15:03<adama>hever: I'm guessing that the update-java-alternatives just does something like the "update-alternatives" command, but fills in the arguments for you.
15:04<eliteforce>barnes: uhh yeah gentoo, nice wiki.. but that's it. (:<
15:05<barnes>eliteforce well nc and dd works on linux thats all that matter
15:05<hever>matalqga I want a free implementation
15:05<hever>adama, I used update-alternatives now and choose java-openjdk
15:06<hever>but there is still no java binary or symlink for it
15:06<eliteforce>barnes: I know, I know..
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15:06<hever>is there a package that does this for me? Or must I symlink it myself ?
15:06<adama>hever: what's "ls -l /etc/alternatives/java" say?
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15:07<hever>adama, /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java
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15:08<hever>(My package question is because then its easy and I can tell other doing it that way and perhaps this package does some other things I would forget)
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15:08<adama>hever there should also be a symlink like /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java
15:08<hever>adama, Strange and I get /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java: No such file or directory
15:09<adama>hmmmm there's your problem
15:09<hever>adama, there is no thats whats confusing me...
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15:09<adama>need to find that executable and update the alternatives link
15:09<hever>should I reinstall the package?
15:09<hever>it should provide this
15:09<hever>or I try another alternative...
15:10<adama>well the package should have put the files some place... try updatedb, then locate openjdk
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15:11<adama>then look around for bin/java and update the alternatives link (using "update-alternatives" or manually like "rm /etc/alternatives/java; ln -s /usr/lib/openjdk/jre/bin/java /etc/alternatives/java
15:12<hever>there seems nothing really useful to be in the openjdk-6-jre package
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15:14<stew>use update-java-alternatives instead of update-alternatives for java
15:15<adama>stew: his files are missing or something...
15:16<hever>hej I linked myself gij into /bin/java and that worked.
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15:16<stew>adama: what is an example of a file that is missing?
15:17<adama> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java
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15:17<adama>hever: that will work but it's using gij instead of openjdk
15:17<stew>hever: what version of openjdk-6-jre-headless is installed?
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15:18<hever>stew, 6b11-9
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15:19<stew>hever: and /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java doesn't eist?
15:19<stew>exist*
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15:19<hever>yes
15:19<hever>there is no bin
15:19<stew>hever: aptitude reinstall openjdk-6-jre-headless
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15:20<Ushio>Hello everybody
15:20<hever>I try...
15:20<stew>hever: that will reinstall the /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java that I guess someone deleted, then use 'update-java-alternatives' to set openjdk-6 as your default java
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15:20<chealer>eyeris: it was removed
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15:22<hever>stew, hey it works now... strange.
15:22<hever>thanks
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15:23<hever>I suggested a reinstall but I installed it myself some minutes ago...
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15:24<hever>Now I can remove ecj, gcj, ant, jmvm and all this stuff right ?
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15:38<glax>hi guys, how do I set an @reboot cron job running as root?
15:39<hever>stew, thanks for your help. Perhaps you know also how to set up java for iceweasel to run applets? Actually I get "gcjwebplugin error: Failed to run /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/../../bin/pluginappletviewer. For more detail rerun "firefox -g" in a terminal window."
15:39<hever>there exists no pluginappletviewer on my system...
15:40<stew>hever: aptitude reinstall icedtea-gcjwebplugin
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15:42<hever>stew, same problem (same error message and it still doesn't exist in the system.)
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15:42<stew>hever: what does "readlink -f /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so" return?
15:43<hever>I cant find out what package contains the pluginappletviewer...
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15:43<hever>stew, just /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/gcjwebplugin.so
15:44<hever>oh.. that seems ok.
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15:45<stew>hever: does that file exist?
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15:45<stew>hever: dpkg -S usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/gcjwebplugin.so" would tell you which package that came from
15:45<hever>yes
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15:46<hever>nice.. as you said icedtea....
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15:46<hever>but my browser tries to execute a pluginappetviewer binary.
15:46<hever>not a shared object file...
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15:53<skimp>just installed gnome core and gdm to my eee 1000 and i get to the login ui but it wont type in the box
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16:00<hever>stew, at update-java-alternatives I get "No alternatives for pluginappletviewer."
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16:17<skimp>ive installed aptitude install gnome-core gdm on my eee 1000.. now im back at root.. what to do
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16:17<hever>Somebody knows where to get a pluginappletviewer ?
16:17<glax>Hi guys I am trying to open a screen @reboot. crontab looks like this @reboot root screen -S test python /home/user/test.py
16:18<glax>/var/log/syslog
16:18<glax>no error
16:18<glax>but it doesn't work
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16:19<noflash>skimp, tried #debian-eeepc ?
16:20<valdyn>glax: the error would be in your inbox if your system was configured correctly
16:20<skimp>just installed gnome core and gdm to my eee 1000 and i get to the login ui but it wont type in the box
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16:21<glax>valdyn, how can I view the inbox
16:22<nadie>i'm having a very strange error with ext4 and gnome trash. anyone can help me??
16:22<glax>valdyn, I try with mail
16:22<glax>but It says no mail for root
16:22<valdyn>glax: have you ever gotten any mail from CRON ?
16:22<valdyn>glax: do you remember what you set cron mail to?
16:22<glax>valdyn, I have just install debian, like 20 minutes ago, and this is the first thing I do
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16:23<glax>valdyn, didn't set it
16:24<valdyn>glax: whats in /var/log/exim4/mainlog ?
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16:26<glax> valdyn the message where send to the normal user
16:26<valdyn>glax: that is possible, if you set that during installation
16:26<glax>the error is "Must be connected to a terminal"
16:27<skimp>where do I go to see a log of everything ive installed with aptitude
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16:27<glax>crontab @reboot screen -S test python /home/user/test.py
16:27<valdyn>glax: -d
16:27<valdyn>glax: see manpage what that mean
16:27<valdyn>s
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16:28<valdyn>glax: actually "-m -d"
16:28<valdyn>glax: actually "-d -m"
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16:28<glax>for the screen?
16:29<valdyn>glax: yes
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16:29<glax>ok, reading
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16:30<valdyn>skimp: guess
16:30<skimp>....
16:30<skimp>rather not
16:30<valdyn>skimp: ok, dont use brain then
16:30<skimp>ok
16:30<skimp>im going to guess for you.
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16:30<skimp>obviously in system log...
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16:31<Tengu>somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg or smth like that.
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16:33<nadie>i'm having a very strange error with ext4 and gnome trash. anyone can help me??
16:33<valdyn>i heared logfiles are in /var/log
16:33<valdyn>!tell nadie -about ask
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16:34<glax>valdyn, change to this @reboot screen -d -m test python /home/user/test.py
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16:35<Tengu>valdyn: aren't there some dpkg specific files in /var/lib/dpkg ?
16:35<valdyn>glax: maybe @reboot screen -d -m "test python ....."
16:35<valdyn>Tengu: logfiles are in /var/log
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16:36<nadie>ok, i'm runing debian sid, i just compiled 2.6.28 with support for ext4 and converted my partitions to ext4. and i've lost my trash bin (it doesn't work) for all ext4 partitions, but it works for ext3 partitions. rare uh?
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16:36<gus>sup
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16:36<goodger>nadie: interesting
16:36<valdyn>nadie: how did you convert then partitions?
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16:38<markus>Hello, i have tried to install VMware-Server with make-vmpkg. I get an error if i install the built vmware-server_xxxxx.deb package about missing depencies with the (also built) package vmware-server-kernel-modules. Any experiences?
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16:38<nadie>tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/sda1
16:38<nadie>fsck -pf /dev/sda1
16:38<salparadise>any reason why a man page formatting would be wrong? like instead of the command switch I get some funky character
16:39<valdyn>nadie: cant help you, trash is at ~/.local/share/Trash
16:40<nadie>valdyn: gnome 2.22.3
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16:41<valdyn>nadie: yep
16:41<nadie>valdyn: i know, and //home/<user>/.gnome/gnome-vfs/trash_entry_cache doesn't include ext4 partitions
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16:42<nadie>when I delete a file, it goes to trash folder, but trash applet remains empty
16:42<valdyn>nadie: thats old i think
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16:42<valdyn>nadie: .gnome is the old gnome for all i know, ~/.gnome2 is what would matter
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16:43<nadie>is it just a bug? it only hapens with ext4 partitions
16:43<glax>valdyn, sreen -d -m -S did the job
16:43<glax>thanks
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16:44<valdyn>hmm, nevermind, trash really uses .gnome, thats fucked up
16:44<nadie>it's not critical but anoying
16:44<hever>Has somebody a running iceweasel installation thats able to execute java applets using openjdk ?
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16:45<valdyn>nadie: like the trash system needs to know or care which fs you have, but it seems to do
16:45<nadie>thats what i think
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16:45<nadie>it's independent of the fs u use
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16:46<nadie>i red something about trashapplet and gnomevfs
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17:09<avtobiff>how do i get my suspend/hibernate to work from the gnome clickety shutdown menu?
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17:21<skimp>whats the most popular debian irc client
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17:22<taziden>see popcon.debian.org
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17:24<skimp>i did aptitude install popcon and it installed but how do i load it
17:25<alephnull>skimp: No, go to the site.
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17:27<skimp>not sure how to use that site, what should i click
17:27<Zathras>Hi. On Lenny ALSA does not see both my soundcards. It sees only one and I in order to get sound I have to run alsaconf after each reboot
17:27<chealer>skimp: well, pidgin is presumably the most popular...
17:27<Zathras>aplay -l also only lists one card
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17:28<skimp>i hate pidgin.. is there like a solid features standalone irc light client? can i use digsby on debian?
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17:29<dmoerner>skimp: you might want to consider empathy
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17:29<dmoerner>it uses a stable backend, but i think the newer versions are only in experimental
17:30<skimp>how would i install it?
17:30<Zathras>skimp, how about xchat ?
17:30<skimp>no
17:30<mastroquet_>skimp: weechat ? (I'm promoting the one I'm using, of course)
17:30<skimp>i know honestly nothing
17:30<dmoerner>oh, you want irc? i thought you meant all-purpose IM
17:30<dmoerner>just use xchat or konversation or something like that
17:30<taziden>irssi :)
17:31<mastroquet_>weechat !!! :)
17:31<dmoerner>aptitude install <program>, /msg dpkg grounding if you are unfamiliar with basic commands
17:31<dmoerner>erc is my favorite
17:31<skimp>gonna check out xchat
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17:31<Zathras>cd /usr/share/doc/<packagename> and read the docs is also an option
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17:32<Zathras>anyone on my ALSA issue please?
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17:34<skimp>also my onscreen text is so big.. yesterday for my other install he had me install a font pack or something so i can scale down my system font size?
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17:34<dmoerner>change the DPI maybe
17:35<skimp>no it got me to some settings
17:35<tosi>whats a lightwieght messanger pidgin alternative... digsby is what i was wanting
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17:38<tosi>whats a lightwieght messanger pidgin alternative... digsby is what i was wanting
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17:39<dmoerner>empathy?
17:39<dmoerner>centerim? (text-based)
17:39<dmoerner>kopete (kde)
17:39<skimp>how do i get empathy
17:39<dmoerner>bitlbee
17:39<dmoerner>judd: versions empathy
17:39<judd>dmoerner: empathy -- lenny: 0.23.3-3 sid: 0.23.3-3 experimental: 2.25.2-2
17:40<dmoerner>nevermind, you want the one in experimental, so it's better to just wait
17:40<skimp>is it worth running digsby with wine to use or does wine limit things
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17:48<chealer>skimp: wine's channel would know better
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17:52<tosi>god xchat has large text and ugly font anyway to change
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17:52<tosi>no ventrilo for debian? what about skype
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17:55<goodger>tosi: skype runs on debian, yes
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17:59<chealer>!skype
17:59<dpkg>skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program and is an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties. It is not in Debian because we are not allowed to distribute it. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free"
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18:00<mike>woooas skype is evil?
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18:00<chealer>dpkg: no, skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free"
18:00<dpkg>okay, chealer
18:01<mike>lol
18:01<themill>chealer: you forgot the evil obfuscated black box bit
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18:01<mike>why not just use ekig?
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18:01<mike>ekiga**
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18:01<tosi>i downloaded skype... its .deb but how do i open it
18:01<themill>mike: when you manage to get ekiga to talk to your friends who are using skype, you let us know.
18:01<gkm>Hello, all.
18:02<chealer>themill: I removed it intentionally. I don't think skype is evil. is it really obfuscated?
18:02<mike>if you get wine i have a windows prog that will let you make free 10 min calls anywhere in the world haha
18:02<themill>tosi: dpkg -i skype.deb
18:02<themill>chealer: yes. And it does all sorts of strange things.
18:02<chealer>themill: do you have a reference for that?
18:02<mike>themoll: i was jsut talking as voip software not for the chat features lol
18:02<tosi>themill, in terminal, that doesnt work
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18:03<mike>sorry tying in the dark =P
18:03<themill>chealer: I have seen a presentation that was a decompilation of skype... trying to find it now
18:03<gkm>Does anyone know about USB headsets?
18:03<gkm>Normally I could use them if I booted with them plugged in
18:03<gkm>But it doesn't work anymore
18:03<gkm>And this is the only way I can get sound on my laptop
18:04<gkm>So any help I could get I would greatly appreciate
18:04<mike>gkm
18:04<mike>lol i could walk you trhough a way
18:04<gkm>Fair enough
18:04<mike>or have you try a way that worked for me
18:04<gkm>Alright
18:04<mike>ok lemme guess bad laptop soundcard?
18:05<gkm>Yeah, it burned out under windows
18:05<tosi>god xchat has large text and ugly font anyway to change
18:05<themill>chealer: it's also well documented that a number of European police forces are being permitted to do as they please within the skype network. It's also a very poor network citizen as most sysadmins will tell you. Add to that bandwidth and cpu hungry along with poor sound quality.
18:05<mike>haha
18:05<mike>gkm all you have to is blacklist the main soundcards driver
18:05<mike>it worked for me
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18:05<gkm>Okay
18:05<gkm>And how do I do that?
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18:05<mike>!blacklist
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18:05<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
18:05<ducatista>ciao
18:06<mike>add your onboard sound cards driver to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local
18:06<gkm>Okay, thanks
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18:06<mike>so
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18:07<mike>run in a root terminal
18:07<mike>nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local
18:07<mike>and just add your old sound cards driver
18:08<gkm>What part of the name do I put
18:08<themill>chealer: I think this is the one: www.ossir.org/windows/supports/2005/2005-11-07/EADS-CCR_Fabrice_Skype.pdf
18:08<Zathras>tosi, you can change font and fontsize, see options in xchat
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18:09<mike>ok what kind of sound card do you have?
18:09<gkm>Sec
18:09<gkm>HDA Nvidia
18:09<mike>my driver looks like snd_hda_intel
18:09<gkm>ok
18:09<mike>so im guessing your is snd_hda_nvidia
18:09<gkm>Ok
18:09<gkm>Restarting, brb
18:09<mike>kk
18:10<themill>chealer: hmmm there was another analysis that straced skype as it did thinks like open /etc/passwd and lots of other random files in $HOME but I can't find that. (/etc/passwd was probably just Qt doing a username lookup, but since it's an obfuscated binary, it's hard to tell...)
18:10<gkm>Oh, wait
18:10<gkm>Synaptic's running
18:10<mike>=P
18:10<gkm>Gonna let that finish first
18:10<mike>its cool im new to this as well haha
18:10<tosi>is there like an all around media player for debian... i like GOM player for windows.. has everything
18:10<mike>but i help where i can
18:10<gkm>Yeah, thanks for that
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18:11<tosi>ive got a eee 1000 i put debian on... how do i make sure ive installed the OS to the 7gb drive and all my program files or whatever are saving to the right place 33gb hd?
18:12<mike>gkm, your on a laptp i presume?
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18:12<gkm>Yep
18:12<mike>what kind?
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18:13<gkm>hp pavillion dv9817cl
18:13<mike>any luck with your wirless?
18:14<gkm>How do you think I'm on here now? ;)
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18:14<mike>what kinda card do you have?
18:14<gkm>Atheros
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18:14<mike>ahh
18:14<mike>see im on a broadcom
18:14<gkm>Oh
18:14<mike>its a bitch to get working
18:14<gkm>Yeah, no kidding
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18:15<tosi>i have my OS installed to a 7GB hd... i want it to run all my debian programs and stuff off of a 33gb HD but i dont know how to make it do that or even find the 2 drives
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18:15<gkm>I had to mess around with madwifi, but I got mine working
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18:15<Zathras>tosi, maybe you can read up on the disk partitioning howto?
18:16<tosi>i thought i did it when installing, how can i check?
18:17<gkm>sudo cfdisk -l
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18:17<gkm>That'll list the drives and their partitions
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18:17<Zathras>sudo? This isn't an Ubuntu channel.....
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18:17<gkm>wait
18:17<gkm>sudo fdisk -l
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18:17<gkm>sorry
18:18<mike>haha
18:18<themill>gkm: you'd better get him to install sudo first.
18:18<mike>open root terminal
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18:18<gkm>Buh?
18:18<gkm>Oh
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18:18<chealer>themill: then I agree that Skype is an obfuscated black box that could be communicating any of your data with third parties, but that's not really novel for proprietary software and I think that saying it's evil is speculation.
18:18<gkm>He hasn't added himself to the sudoers list
18:18<gkm>Right?
18:18<gkm>That's pretty simple
18:18<mike>lol open a root terminal and run fdisk -l
18:18<mike>lmao
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18:19<themill>chealer: true. But the more someone says "we're not evil" and puts a halo on their logo, the more suspicious we should all be.
18:19<gkm>Well, when you're used to doing things that way :p
18:19<chealer>themill: hehehe
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18:19<mike>gkm it took me a few days to get commands here down to lol
18:19<mike>dont worry bout it
18:19<mike>lol
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18:22<mike>gkm how things commin on that package manager?
18:22<tosi>ive got a eee 1000 i put debian on... how do i make sure ive installed the OS to the 7gb drive and want to install everything else on the 33gb drive... how would i set it to do that, right now my 'filesystem' shows only im using 5.5g/7gb
18:22<gkm>It's about done
18:22<gkm>I have it installing K
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18:22<gkm>I use xfce myself, but some tutorials assume you have K
18:23<gkm>And it doesn't hurt to have all three, if you have the HD space, I assume
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18:23<gkm>Okay, it's done
18:23<gkm>beb
18:24<gkm>er
18:24<gkm>brb
18:24<mike>kk
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18:24<mike>hope i had him blacklist that correctly
18:24<tosi>this seems like a fairly simple question none of you know the answer?
18:25<mike>tosi, im new to this if it were windows id be able to help you
18:25<mike>dont you see me second guessing advice ive given jeeze
18:25<mike>....
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18:26<goodger>tosi: your entire system is installed on the 7G partition, and is occuping 5.5G
18:26<tosi>how can i change it
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18:27<goodger>copy the data to another drive and change your fstab to point to that
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18:27<mike>gkm anything?
18:28<amphi>tosi: you could put /usr /home etc. on the 33GB drive, and just have / on the 7GB one, perhaps
18:28<gkm>Didn't work
18:28<gkm>Trying something else now
18:28<gkm>restarting, brb
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18:28<mike>what did you add to the blacklist file?
18:28<tosi>amphi, im having trouble FINDING the 33gb... im new i dont know how to access the drive
18:29<amphi>tosi: what does 'fdisk -l' show?
18:29<tosi>shows 2 hds
18:29<tosi>one 8gb annd one 32gb
18:29<amphi>called what?
18:30<tosi>/dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1/
18:30<mike>gkm add this lol
18:30<mike>blacklist snd_hda_nvidia
18:30<goodger>mike: he left a while ago
18:30<amphi>tosi: those a partitions; the disks are sda and sdb
18:30<mike>goodger hes back -.-
18:30<mike>oh shit nvm'my bad
18:30<goodger>mike: he went again
18:30<mike>=P
18:30<mike>was in the terminal tryin to help him out nvm
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18:30<tosi>amphi, ok cool, now how do i 'point' debian to start using the 32gb one
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18:31<tosi>i know in windows you regedit C;\program files to D:\program files .... im trying to do the equivalent of that
18:31<goodger>tosi: there's no point
18:31<amphi>tosi: at install time, you could have the partitioner make / on /dev/sda and /usr /var/ /home & /tmp on sdb
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18:32<gkm>Yep
18:32<gkm>That worked
18:32<goodger>\o/
18:32<gkm>I also had to put snd_hda_intel
18:32<tosi>amphi, so i have to reinstall then?
18:32<gkm>Odd, that
18:32<tosi>goodger ... the point is when my 7gb is full i want to use my 33gb
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18:32<mike>haha
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18:33<amphi>tosi: it would be easier; you _can_ move the stuff around yourself, but if you're new to linux, you might be better of reinstalling and do it the way you want from there
18:33<Zathras>tosi, you should partition and move stuff to the other disk
18:33<themill>tosi: how much more stuff are you planning to install?
18:33<goodger>tosi: the system including applications is very unlikely to fill your 7G partition IMO
18:33<Zathras>and then mount those new partitions
18:33<mike>well now im not total waste so far ive helped to peopel with a complete sollution lol
18:33<goodger>tosi: you are better off using the 33G partition for /home
18:33<tosi>how do i can that starting now without reinstalling
18:34<tosi>i dont care about the stuff already on the 7gb... i just want to use the 33gb from now on
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18:34<giulio>dfghjk
18:34<Zathras>tosi, why? Moving stuff is complicated if you are new to Linux and most likely you will run inti huge problems. A fresh install is way easier
18:35<themill>wtf?
18:35<goodger>giulio: good point
18:35<tosi>im afraid to reinstall because i have not recorded all the sources and aptitudes i need
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18:36<goodger>tosi: you can just back up /etc/apt/sources.list, and dump your package list to a file from which you can reinstall them quite easily after reinstallation
18:36<themill>tosi: just leave debian installed on the 7GB drive and put all your data (i.e. /home) on the 33GB drive
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18:36<tosi>themill, how would i 'put' all my data on the 33
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18:37<themill>tosi: have you copied data and settings on to the machine yet?
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18:37<goodger>tosi: he meant data as in, My Documents
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18:37<goodger>tosi: \Program Files\ and \Windows\ equivalents are unlikely to total 7G partition in linux
18:38<Zathras>repeating a question without asking questions about answers already provided will lead to.... no other answers. Will lead to.... no solution
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18:39<tosi>ok so when i reinstall... if i want the 7GB drive to be clean with only the debian install and have all other files on the 33GB what folders do i point to the 33
18:39<themill>there's no need to reinstall to do this. In fact, I wouldn't recommend it.
18:39<tosi>ok
18:40<tosi>then what do i do
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18:41<tosi>in /home/ it is already connected to the 33gb bc it says 30gb free
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18:41<goodger>tosi: then there's nothing else to do
18:41<themill>tosi: do you have network access from this machine?
18:41<tosi>yes
18:41<themill>Then can you please pastebin the output of "mount"
18:42<tosi>now i wonder when i click computer>filesystem only the stats for my 7GB come up
18:42<goodger>themill: he just said the system is already set up as you/we/whoever told him to set it up :S
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18:42<goodger>tosi: that's because it's in the root filesystem at that point, which is mounted on the smaller one
18:42<themill>goodger: most likely... I'd just like to see that it looks sane :)
18:42<tosi>http://pastebin.com/m6fe063fa
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18:43<tosi>so... say i want to create a dir for my music... where should i do it?
18:43<tosi>in /home/ ?
18:43<goodger>tosi: in /home/tosi, yes
18:43<goodger>...that's where user files are stored
18:44<themill>tosi: in /home/tosi. Everything of your own goes inside /home/your_username. This is called your home directory and frequently written as $HOME.
18:44<tosi>ok cool
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18:44<dani>hey guys, my sound recorder doesnt seem to working. why?
18:45<mike>hmm
18:45<dani>all i get is white noise
18:45<Zathras>check the mixer if recording is enabled and if the channel is not muted
18:45<mike>are you sure your microphone works?
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18:45<dani>it's a microphone intergrated into the laptop
18:46<mike>ok
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18:46<mike>do what zathras said check your mixer
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18:47<Gekz>PulseAudio and Debian are not friends
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18:53<tosi>what is a good all purpose video player... i use GOM player in windows, plays all types of files and dvd, what do you all use
18:54<newsense>mplayer !
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18:54<tosi>ok and what about aim service... i use digsby and dont like pidgin
18:54<mike>tosi i use vlc but mplayer is good
18:54<mike>Gaim
18:54<mike>for aim service
18:55<tosi>ok going for mplayer/gaim combo
18:55<enouf>tosi: you use AOL software?
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18:55<tosi>no, just services :)
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18:55<enouf>tosi: might want to look into bitlbee
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18:56<enouf>tosi: right, i need servicing ;-)
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18:56<mike>for the aim service i recomend pidgin or gaim
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18:58<enouf>mike: keep recommending closed-source garbage -congrats
18:58<mike>enouf, its an opinion
18:58<enouf>mike: why don't you use windows??
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18:58<mike>enouf, if you dont like it dont read it
18:58<enouf>mike: no, that wasn't my query
18:58<mike>enouf, because windows is slow and bulky
18:58<enouf>bulshit
18:59<mike>what do you mean bullshit?
18:59<tosi>i feel like my fonts need adjusting, i remember getting a font pack for my last debian install that fixed it but i dont know what to get
18:59<enouf>maybe you suck at using windows
18:59<mike>-.-
18:59<hazard2>Anyone have any idea what would make avahi take an extrodinrarly long time to convert an ip address -> (name).local?
18:59<mike>enouf, this is offtopic ok im not going to argue with you like a child so grow the fuck up
18:59<enouf>mike: my windows machines are fast
18:59<enouf>otherwise they would be offline
18:59<mike>enouf congrats
19:00<enouf>mike: right - but they're win98
19:00<enouf>mike: er .. not nice
19:00<mike>well then i never said specified which windows slowed me down to a crash did i =D
19:00*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
19:00<mike>im sorry i flipped alittle bro im having a bad day
19:00<tosi>debian torrent software? whats the best
19:01<enouf>mike: i really disapprove of you promoting closed source crapware here -- that's my issue for now
19:01<enouf>mike: otherwise - no prob
19:01<mike>well i promoted gaim mainly because its a package included in synaptics
19:01<enouf>i'm easy going - generally
19:02<enouf>tosi: rtorrent is one
19:02<jw_>tosi: try ttf-mscorefonts-installer
19:02<craigevil-eee>tosi: there is no best search packages.debian.org and find what works for you
19:02<upsy>but gaim and pidgin are the same thing
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19:02<enouf>mike: bitlbee is a very capable pkg
19:02<Zathras>hmm. Anyone on my 2 card ALSA issue please?
19:02<tosi>thats the one jw - what do i put before that in terminal
19:02<mike>oh bitlbee is included?
19:02<mike>tosi for what ?
19:03<enouf>apt-cahce show bitlbee
19:03<tosi><jw_> tosi: try ttf-mscorefonts-installer
19:03<skimp>bitlbee is to complex for what he wants.. he wants to simply only run a messenger for aol service.
19:03<mike>gaim = simple as pie
19:03<enouf>wonderful
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19:03<jw_>tosi: sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
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19:03<themill>tosi: install that package using aptitude or synaptic
19:03<mike>enouf its cool im thinking about checking it out
19:03<jw_>tosi: or sudo aptitude if you prefer
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19:04<craigevil-eee>i use bitlbee for aim,yahoo,msn all in 1 windows of my irc client much easier than using a separate im client
19:04*enouf ^fives craigevil-eee
19:04<themill>craigevil-eee: kopete for the same reason
19:04<mike>well i use xchat and gaim but ocassionally ill use opera for my irc bit torents and browsing
19:04<skimp>but you guys idle irc all day... maybe he isnt planning that.
19:04<upsy>enouf: pidgin is closed source?
19:04<enouf>themill: k what? is that kde-related?
19:05<craigevil-eee>irssi has a package or if you use a gui client just use the bitlbee servers no package needed
19:05<tosi>what about very lightweight audio player with playlists
19:05<Xenguy>upsy: AFAIK pidgin is FOSS
19:05<themill>enouf: of course... integrates nicely with the kaddressbook and kwallet too...
19:05<enouf>upsy: erm .. why do all these proprietay clients exist??
19:05<jw_>tosi: try rhythmbox
19:05<enouf>themill: mention the amt of MB it will pull in please
19:06<mike>tosi mplayer is good for that
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19:06<mike>lol tosi look lemme give you advice
19:06<themill>enouf: Size: 7304496
19:06<enouf>themill: check the depends
19:06<enouf>and recommeneds
19:06<enouf>just stop
19:07<mike>asking use our prer if you try a ittle of everything and get your ownnn favs linux will suprise you haha efrences is going to give you alot of ideas but its bett
19:07<enouf>with KDE recommends
19:07<themill>enouf: except that they're all already installed... that's the point of using things that are integrated
19:07<enouf>themill: agreed .. bit IF
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19:07<enouf>er big IF
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19:07<mike>wooahh
19:07<mike>wtf happend there
19:07<mike>mustve hit the touch pad will typing
19:07<mike>lemme revise thar
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19:08<tosi>i was like really...
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19:08<enouf>themill: big IF or .... you don't think so?
19:08<mike>asking use our preefrences is going to give you alot of ideas but its better if you try a little of everything and get your ownnn favs linux will suprise you haha
19:08<mike>there you go
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19:08<enouf>!wb amphi_
19:08<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! amphi_ has returned!
19:09<enouf>;-)
19:09<tosi>ok cool, but is there a site similiar to download.com where i can just sift through endless apps and find the best one for me?
19:09<jw_>tosi: you want System->Administration->Synaptic
19:09<goodger>tosi: try Synaptic
19:10<Xenguy>tosi: with debian, you can just search your own local cache (IIUC)
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19:10<enouf>themill: all i'm suggesting is; you recommend stuff like with a preface like ; "if you use KDE ... "
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19:10<mike>hmm im guess ing he hasnt go tot flash yet =P
19:10<themill>enouf: the popcon stats on kde and gnome say that it's pretty evenly split, so in the absence of someone saying that they want something that integrates with one particular DE then there no reason to preface it with anything
19:10<goodger>Xenguy: IIUC?
19:10<mike>themil: which do you prefer?
19:10<themill>enouf: in the same way that people don't preface it "if you like gnome then try xchat".
19:10<Xenguy>If I Understand Correctly
19:11<goodger>aha
19:11<goodger>mike: that's not a good question to ask. it tends to lead to three-hour debates
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19:11<mike>goodger, lol
19:11<tosi>in synaptic under like 'word processing' there are 100 un ID'd programs
19:11<amphi_>thanks, enouf ;)
19:11<enouf>themill: a) popcon applies to those that participate != debian users/community and b) you do not see my point?
19:11<mike>i was just looking for a matter of opinion
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19:11<mike>like i prefer gnome
19:11<mike>were as my father prefers kde
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19:11<themill>mike: I'll take KDE over gnome any day. In fact, I'd take winxp and macos over gnome.
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19:12<themill>enouf: so. no.
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19:12<enouf>!wb amphi
19:12<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! amphi has returned!
19:12<enouf>;-)
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19:12<mike>tosi each program in there has a description
19:12<amphi>sorry about the unsightly tail
19:12<enouf>thanks for clipping your tail amphi ;-)
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19:12<amphi>heh
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19:13<goodger>tosi: you could try openoffice.org but it's quite bloated. there's also abiword, LyX [my favourite but quite unconventional], or koffice
19:13<enouf>themill: thanks for proving to me how retarded some 'devs' (meaning all smart people whom have power) can be -- not an attack or insult, but ..
19:14<tosi>i know openoffice is super bloated.... is there something similiar with word and powerpoint
19:14<themill>heh
19:14<mike>tosi abiword is nice
19:14<enouf>themill: i suggest most people whom dev software be required to take "common sense" courses
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19:15<themill>enouf: if you feel the need to handhold people on every decision then go for it. Just make sure you preface every recommendation you every make with "if you like $DE" from now on.
19:15<mike>enouf, that is agreeable lol
19:15<snogglethorpe>enouf: do remember that deb devs are not necessarily similar to "devs" in general
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19:15<themill>enouf: every package has a description and every package manager will tell you how much download/disk space is required before doing something about it. People can look after themselves in that regard.
19:15<goodger>tosi: only Word and Powerpoint are Word and Powerpoint. similar word processors include abiword, lyx and koffice. powerpoint is rarely coped on linux except for OOoImpress because it's an abomination --- we tend to use things like beamer
19:16<enouf>themill: yes, i will do the teaching, and amphi will be my supportive research assistant and will be paid handsomely ;-)
19:16<enouf>snogglethorpe: how are the6y differnt?
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19:17<mike>themill without a super long explanation what do you find so unappealing gnome?
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19:17<enouf>themill: this is true -- about d/l amt .. sure, but newcomers are usually overwheleme with 'stats' .. yes? or don't you ackknowledge that?
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19:17<snogglethorpe>enouf: in my experience, deb devs tend to be er, much more dogmatic
19:17<enouf>snogglethorpe: yikes .. which dog? which pony?
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19:18<snogglethorpe>the pretty one
19:18<craigevil-eee>tosi: use kde it has amarok and kaffeine,openoffice will run just fine on your eee
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19:18<themill>mike: I find it has the same superior attitude that macos has -- it believes it knows best and refuses to be customised to the way I want to do things.
19:18<enouf>themill: haven't you seen me ask "which DE?" prior to offering advice?
19:18<mike>themill, understandable
19:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 365] by debhelper
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19:19<snogglethorpe>also deb devs luuuuuuv to bicker
19:19<mike>themill, maybe i will take another look into kde
19:19<enouf>snogglethorpe: i;m not knocking deb devs .. do not get me wrong, please
19:19<goodger>craigevil-eee, tosi: I would like to point out that it is not necessary to use KDE to use amarok or kaffeine
19:19<goodger>mike: what did I tell you?
19:19<themill>enouf: you occasionally do, but you often don't. Just as I often do.
19:19<goodger>_do not mention desktop environment choices_.
19:20<mike>goodger, i didnt start this, this is enouf and themill i just asked for a simplified opinion lol,
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19:20<themill>don't blame me!
19:20<goodger>*headdesk*
19:20<themill>!blame enouf
19:20*dpkg blames muammar and enouf for the end of the Internet as we know it
19:20<enouf>themill: fair enough - however - offering ANY kde app, i would always say; something like0 "beware of the extra bloat you'll suck in"
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19:20<goodger>*headdesk*
19:20<themill>enouf: get over yourself
19:20<enouf>themill: but .. i'm gorgeous ;-)
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19:21*goodger decides just to pick up his things and move across the room until the children stop fighting
19:21<enouf>themill: no bloat ;-)
19:21<mike>lol ahh I LOVE YOU DEBIAN <3
19:21<tosi>what category would i find desktop widget type things like performance monitor
19:21<muammar>??????????
19:21<stew>interestingly, one of the two kde dependent packages i'm maintaining, upstream is migrating from kde to qt
19:21<craigevil-eee>what is bloat? i can see if your using ancient hardware, but on recent hardware theres no point in worrying about it
19:22<stew>i hate kde, but i keep finding unmaintained kde software i wish were maintained
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19:22<enouf>craigevil-eee: define "ancient" please ;-)
19:22<themill>stew: yeah, a lot of stuff from kdelibs has been pushed into qt recently.
19:22<goodger>craigevil-eee: that "ancient" hardware is precisely the point
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19:22<mike>haha enouf arent you running on a machine that ran win98?
19:22<craigevil-eee>tosi: gdesklets, gkrellm, conky
19:22<goodger>tosi: if you're using GNOME then there's a performance monitor in the panel application
19:22<enouf>stew: thanks for you 2 cents, not my point, but welcomed nonetheless ;-)
19:22<dmoerner>stew: congrats btw on ftp team
19:22<stew>themill: and that gets them an easier port to windows aiui?
19:22<stew>dmoerner: :)
19:23<goodger>I suspect there's one in KDE also
19:23<enouf>mike: name me machines which cannot
19:23<goodger>that was stew? well done stew
19:23<themill>stew: probably. Also improves the qt libraries themselves.
19:23<newsense>ksysguard=kde performance monitor
19:23<themill>yeah, with stew as ftpmaster and dondelelcaro as tech cttee, this place really is going to the dogs!
19:23<mike>goodger, ive created a monster *makes note never bring up DE ever, EVER again....*
19:23*themill hides
19:24<enouf>!start a DE war
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19:24*goodger nods repeatedly at mike
19:24<newsense>kde!
19:24<enouf>not enough bloat diffs yet
19:24<mike>GNOME!
19:24<goodger>ICEWM!
19:24<elashish>LXDE
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19:24<newsense>gnomes are weak little trolls
19:24<enouf>wm != DE
19:24<Xenguy>oooo, LXCE
19:24*goodger draws sword
19:24<mike>we bites your toes =D
19:24<Xenguy>LXDE
19:24<newsense>dragons are cooler
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19:24<goodger>mike: come into #debian-offtopic, the water's lovely
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19:25<stew>newsense: uhh, they breathe fire
19:25<mike>haha
19:25<Xenguy>elashish: just read about that yesterday -- looks promising
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19:25<enouf>stew: congrats to you - i know not why, but i do know it's worthy - so there ;-)
19:25<elashish>Xenguy: I've been using it for 6 months, it's pretty polished
19:25<tosi>so now ive got a desklet tar.gz file... how do i open it?
19:25<craigevil-eee>yard gnomes. loves lxde
19:25*themill subscribes enouf to d-d-a
19:26<Xenguy>elashish: so it's out of beta then?
19:26<mike>well i havent tried enough DE's to pick a prefrence i just like gnome cause its one of the first ive used
19:26<enouf>themill: dude - too many channels, too many nets, too many kernels .. leave me be :-P
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19:26<elashish>Xenguy: I've never had a problem with it, but pretty much everything is in 0.1
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19:26<Xenguy>ahh, OK
19:27<enouf>themill: as of lately, i'm trying to donate an old-world powermac
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19:27<enouf>themill: and i'm sure you recall remember how i break out in hives from email .. yet it needs to be done
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19:31<craigevil-eee>are packages moving from New to experimental? just curious when google-gadgets might hit exp
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19:31<themill>craigevil-eee: the new queue is being processed reasonably well atm. Isn't it stew!
19:32<craigevil-eee>congrats stew just read the email :)
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19:49<tosi>hmm noot likin using mplayer for audio, just looking for something very basic
19:49<abrotman>audacious
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19:50<tosi>sounds liike a winner
19:51<craigevil>or go even more basic and use moc or mpd
19:51<stew>cplay
19:51<mike>tosi try vlc
19:51<mike>great for video and audio
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20:21<skimp>Is there a way to remove text editor.... not sure if it comes on debian, or came on the gnome I installed....
20:21<skimp>going to replace it with another word processor.
20:22<goodger>skimp: if you're referring to the app labelled as Text Editor in the gnome menu, it's called gedit
20:22<goodger>that's its package name also IIRC. removing it may ask you to remove gnome-something but that will just be a metapackage
20:22<abrotman>skimp: you can just install another one
20:23<skimp>I know I can just install another, but I will never use that one once I start with the new one...
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20:25<tosi>im updating my alsa driver and i did m-a build alsa and the dialog came up but is stuck at 0%
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20:25<goodger>skimp: you should have an editor _and_ a word processor. word processors are not optimum to edit or create configuration files and such
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20:26<skimp`>like to edit source file and such.. i use nano for that.
20:27<goodger>ah, nano will do fine
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20:50<norbert_>hey there, I have a question
20:50<goodger>go ahead, norbert_
20:51<norbert_>I'm happily using Debian testing, with 2G or ram I bought today
20:51<norbert_>everything is fine, I'm just wondering why free -m shows that 1949 MB memory is in use
20:51<norbert_>when I use top and sort by memory, I can tell that only about 15% of all memory is actually in use
20:51<abrotman>!free ram
20:51<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
20:52<goodger>I'm using 1998 atm
20:52<norbert_>hum... ok
20:52<goodger>linux uses memory to cache files and such
20:52<norbert_>ic
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20:52<norbert_>well, that explains it then :)
20:53<goodger>yep :)
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20:59<tosi>now if i wanted to install wc3 and wc3:frozen throne, how would i boot the isos like daemons tools can
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21:00<mike>!dmix
21:00<dpkg>dmix is probably an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc
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21:01<mike>dpkg, how are you going to use probably it either is or isnt...
21:01<dpkg>mike: what are you talking about?
21:02<tosi>whats a good tool for booting ISOs on debian
21:02<abrotman>tosi: booting to do what?
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21:02<goodger>tosi: if you mean mounting, then you use the mount command
21:02<tosi>mounting i guess yea
21:02<norbert_>tosi: mount -o loop foo.iso somedirectory
21:02<tosi>i have ISOs of 2 games i want to install
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21:03<tosi>so just like mount -o loop wc3.iso /etc/home/tosi/Desktop/
21:04<tosi>whats -o
21:04<goodger>options
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21:04<goodger>switch
21:04<tosi>and loop?
21:04-!-xlotlu [~john@84.232.184.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:04<goodger>the loop option
21:04<abrotman>man mount ?
21:04<mike>dpkg, i love you =D
21:04<dpkg>mike: no idea
21:04<mike>-.-
21:05<goodger>mount -o loop /home/tosi/Desktop/wc3.iso /home/tosi/directory
21:05<goodger>you have to make the directory first
21:05<norbert_>dpkg is cool
21:05<dpkg>norbert_: wish i knew
21:06<goodger>norbert_: don't tease the bot
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21:07<roy_>where would i find the vidio camera on my system im useing so i can alter and configure
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21:07<norbert_>roy_: webcam, you mean?
21:07<mike>yeah dpkg is cool
21:07<roy_>yes the web cam im useing for skype
21:07<mike>it just doesnt love me lol
21:08<goodger>!lovemike is Mike, I love you
21:08<dpkg>okay, goodger
21:08<abrotman>leave the damn bot alone
21:08<goodger>dpkg, lovemike
21:08<dpkg>well, lovemike is Mike, I love you
21:08<goodger>damn!
21:08<mike>lol
21:08<mike>YAY
21:08<abrotman>stop filling the bot with crap
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21:08<mike>wait we make the bot say shit to ?
21:08<goodger>sorry
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21:09<goodger>ah, you deleted it already
21:09<mike>woah and delet stuff?
21:09<abrotman>yes, at risk of being ignored by the bot
21:09<mike>i hardly use dpkg lol
21:10<mike>but hes never failed me yet
21:10<goodger>he's very pleasant
21:10<mike>yeah
21:10<mike>lol
21:10<norbert_>roy_: what do you want to alter and what webcam is it?
21:10<mike>so how much info does he hold?
21:11<abrotman>a lot
21:11<roy_>not sure of the name of web cam , but it has the digitql lights on it and i want to switch them off
21:11<abrotman>roy_: lspci might help
21:11<mike>debian doesnt even see my webcam
21:11<roy_>ok will try that thank you
21:11<mike>its horrible
21:11<mike>that and my sd card reader =[
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21:12<mike>windows seen my webcam as usb
21:13<norbert_>I got my webcam to work under Linux after a lot of work
21:13<norbert_>but it works fine now; use it for security
21:13<mike>wold on watch
21:13<norbert_>with: mplayer -vo jpeg:subdirs=uur:maxfiles=3600 -vf framestep=25 tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:fps=25:width=640:height=480:device=/dev/video0
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21:13<norbert_>a shot every second, nicely sorted in directories
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21:14<mike>see i dotn think mine is supported with v4l
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21:14<norbert_>mike: which one do you have?
21:14<mike>http://pastebin.com/d271b36fb
21:14<mike>its integrated
21:14<mike>acer5610z i believe its a logitech
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21:14<mike>that was my lsusb
21:15<mike>and hold on ill do pci
21:15<norbert_>0 hits for 0d8c:0105
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21:15<mike>tahts my soundcard
21:15<norbert_>right, it's the 5986:0100
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21:16<abrotman>mike: you can put it in a pastebin
21:16<mike>http://pastebin.com/d18b76ec
21:16<mike>?
21:16<norbert_>it should work
21:16<norbert_>Acer OrbiCam (Acer notebooks) from Bison
21:16<mike>no my soundcard is the c media electronics
21:16<abrotman>FWIW .. lspci -nn is more helpful
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21:17<norbert_>mike: I can probably help you get it to work
21:17<stew>with a -k on lenny
21:17<norbert_>because it appears to be the same driver that I use
21:17<mike>what abotu my sd card reader?
21:17<norbert_>I don't know anything about sd card readers, sorry
21:17<abrotman>mike: lenny or etch ?
21:17<mike>well there are two different drivers depending on the camera
21:17<mike>etch
21:18<tosi>whats a lightwieght img viewer for debian
21:18<abrotman>mike: update-pciids && update-usbids .. paste the output of lspci and lsusb
21:18<norbert_>tosi: feh is great
21:18<goodger>tosi: eog
21:18<abrotman>tosi: feh or eog
21:18<goodger>\o/
21:18<norbert_>that's feh twice and eog twice :P
21:18<goodger>mike: that's probably why your sound fails also. lenny has greatly improved sound mixing...
21:18<abrotman>mike: didn't you hose your box going to lenny last time?
21:18<mike>doesnt fail just wont work in more than one app at once lol
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21:19<mike>sees it now lol
21:19<mike>Bus 005 Device 002: ID 5986:0100 Acer, Inc Orbicam
21:19<abrotman>mike: what's your kernel ?
21:19<abrotman>uname -a
21:19<goodger>well, there's a right way and a wrong way to upgrade to lenny. the obvious way is wrong
21:19<mike>how do icheck ?
21:19<norbert_>uname -r
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21:20<mike>2.6.18-6-686
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21:20<abrotman>mike: you might want to try the etchnhalf kernel
21:20<norbert_>apt-get install build-essential; apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`; wget http://linuxtv.org/hg/~pinchartl/uvcvideo/archive/tip.tar.bz2; make all; make install; modprobe uvcvideo trace=15; modprobe snd_usb_audio
21:20<mike>how do iupgrade the kern ?
21:20<abrotman>norbert_: jebus .. why
21:21<abrotman>mike: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf
21:21<goodger>mike: aptitude install linux-----damn
21:21<mike>haha
21:21<mike>ok hold on norbert
21:21<mike>you want me to run all that ?
21:21<mike>XD
21:21<norbert_>neh
21:21<norbert_>that's steno
21:21<abrotman>no
21:21<abrotman>mike: no ..
21:21<abrotman>mike: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf
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21:21<mike>i use apt-get but ok =P
21:21<norbert_>mike: listen to abrotman
21:21<abrotman>!tell mike about why aptitude
21:22<mike>yeah \
21:22<mike>ok
21:22<mike>lol
21:22<mike>so will i have to reboot?
21:22<gsimmons>mike: AFAIK, your webcam is supported by the Linux UVC driver (http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/#devices). You can either build an 'linux-uvc-modules-*' package for your kernel, or upgrade to 2.6.26 (the uvcvideo module is included).
21:22<abrotman>oh .. wait .. etchnhalf doesn't know about it
21:23*abrotman curses acer
21:23*abrotman thinks gsimmons has a house full of little gadgets to plugin
21:23<mike> brb guys im gonna need some explanation from gsmimma lol
21:23<mike>gsimmons lol
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21:24<abrotman>m-a a-i linux-uvc
21:24*goodger concurs with abrotman re gsimmons
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21:24<breach>hey. how do i switch between windows in irssi?
21:24<norbert_>xmms.org looks kind of scary
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21:26<gsimmons>mike: Install module-assistant and execute the command provided to you by abrotman. Out of interest, didn't I advise you to upgrade to etchnhalf previously, to use the b43 driver? Or did you resolve that via ndiswrapper?
21:26<abrotman>norbert_: dead ?
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21:27<abrotman>breach: ctrl-n, ctrl-p, /win ###
21:27<helix>A++
21:27*abrotman grades helix
21:28<helix>F-
21:28<abrotman>is the minus really needed?
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21:28<helix>Y
21:28<abrotman>okay :(
21:29<goodger>A*
21:29<gsimmons>mike: Oh, execute "m-a prepare" before that, to ensure you've the necessary build dependencies satisfied.
21:29<abrotman>m-a a-i does the prepare before
21:29<gsimmons>abrotman: You're right, my apologies.
21:30<abrotman>i know some things .. not much
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21:30<mike>gsimmons i said forget the wireless for now lol
21:30<mike>upgrading to the etchand ahalf
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21:32<mike>ok rebooting
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21:32<mike>brb
21:32<abrotman>goodger: i'm not driving to his place if you broke his box!
21:32<goodger>I didn't break his box! D:
21:32<goodger>I didn't do anything
21:32<mike>broke whos box?
21:33<abrotman>just reboot :)
21:33<mike>dude if this doesnt start im gonna be so pissed st you guy =P
21:33<goodger>and I'm sure as hell not getting a transatlantic flight to fix it
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21:33<goodger>that's the last we'll see of him
21:33<abrotman>goodger: one way? :)
21:33<goodger>pah!
21:34<cirinho>i need help to configure webchat cgiirc in debian 4 etch
21:34<cirinho>i runing to apt-get but don´t ok ¶:~~~
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21:35<mike>ok
21:35<abrotman>drat .. he lives
21:36<mike>as far as i know im working
21:36<mike>lol
21:36<goodger>*tut*
21:36<goodger>no holiday for me then
21:36<mike>my hd light keeps flashing though lol
21:36<mike>like wtf -.-
21:37<mike>yous broked it
21:37<mike>oh nvm
21:37<mike>it stopped
21:37<mike>haha
21:37<mike>ok
21:37<goodger>it was probably being accessed
21:37<mike>what now
21:37<abrotman>you were told
21:37<abrotman>mike: aptitude install module-assistant .. tell us when it's done
21:37<mike>taht was before the reboot abrtman
21:37<abrotman>use the logs!
21:38<mike>ok working on that thingy
21:38<mike>ok its in
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21:38<abrotman>y'all watch out for technical terms
21:38<mike>XD
21:39<abrotman>mike: m-a a-i linux-uvc
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21:40<mike>it says it failed
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21:41<mike>it says it failed building the uvc source -.-
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21:41<abrotman>why?!
21:41<gsimmons>mike: You may need to install 'linux-uvc-source' from lenny, in order to compile on 2.6.24.
21:42<abrotman>or use the non-etchnhalf :)
21:42<mike>ok how do i do that gsimmons?
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21:42<mike>gsmimmons is awesome haha always helpin me out even though im an idiot
21:42<mike>=D
21:43<goodger>I concur
21:43<mike>ok so how do i do the lenny thing?
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21:44<geltonas>who knows how to set login on the terminal?
21:44<mike>goodger, which are you concuring on that hes awesome or that im an idiot?
21:44<goodger>just concurring
21:45<mike>lol
21:45<Xenguy>geltonas: "set login" ?
21:45<mike>takin the easy way out eh...
21:45<norbert_>geltonas: by "login" you mean the text that is being displayed?
21:46<geltonas>i mean when I login I want to see kind of terminal enviroment
21:46<tosi>i love cheese
21:46<geltonas>yust a text
21:46<Xenguy>geltonas: define "different"
21:46<Xenguy>geltonas: /etc/motd ?
21:46<geltonas>I'LL TRY NOW
21:47<mike>hey abrotman, it says i allready have a version installed?
21:47<abrotman>a version ?
21:47<gsimmons>mike: Just a moment, I'll confirm with a build over here. But if you don't need 2.6.24 (you will for the b43 driver), just boot back into 2.6.18 (and run "m-a a-i linux-uvc") as abrotman suggested.
21:47<mike>of linux-uvc-source
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21:48<mike>ok so hwo do i boot back into the other kernal ?
21:49<gsimmons>mike: Sorry, 'linux-uvc-source' was removed. It's either 2.6.18 or 2.6.26 (via backports).
21:49<geltonas>yust paste this string define "different" to this file?
21:49<mike>i have version 0.1.0.svn54-3
21:49<mike>installed
21:49<geltonas>becouse i get nothing to define
21:49<norbert_>I'm pretty sure I can get mike's webcam work within 7 minutes
21:50<mike>ok norbert start..
21:50<abrotman>norbert_: that's cheating
21:50<norbert_>abrotman: why is it cheating?
21:50<abrotman>norbert_: and don't you think that depends on the speed of his ISP and his computer? :)
21:50<Xenguy>geltonas: sorry, I was confused. I really don't know what your actual question is. If you want a 'message' to come up when you login, then backup /etc/motd, then try customizing it
21:50<norbert_>abrotman: well yeah, the 7 minutes is a guess :)
21:50<mike>lol norbert you got till 10 my time start
21:50<mike>thats 10 min
21:50<mike>=P
21:50<norbert_>abrotman: can I give it a shot?
21:51<mike>9 =P
21:51<norbert_>mike, first run: # apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
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21:51<abrotman>norbert_: he could easily boot the .18 and have it done, or get the .26 from bpo and have it done
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21:52<mike>that comman disnt doing anything?
21:52<norbert_>what is a "comman disnt"
21:52<norbert_>a, a command that isn't doing anything
21:53<abrotman>command isn't
21:53<norbert_>mike: please be very specific when things don't work, if you get error messages paste them (unless they are too many lines)
21:53<mike>ther headers are telling me it has not installation canadate
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21:54<geltonas>Xenguy, thanks anyway, I just wanted to change my login window from standard window to terminal- look like window..
21:55<norbert_>mike: where did you get 2.6.18-6-686 from?
21:55<abrotman>wal-mart
21:55<norbert_>abrotman: :)
21:55<mike>what haha
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21:55<norbert_>mike should switch to 2.6.26
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21:55<mike>ok how -.-
21:56<abrotman>so tell him about backports.org .. explain the process
21:56<mike>lol
21:56<RIVE>HI, good evening.
21:56<mike>and is it stable?
21:57<mike>ok so lemme guess i have to add backports to my sources.list?
21:57<mike>and its a download form there?
21:57<abrotman>mike: go to backports.org .. they have instructions
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21:59<norbert_>mike: can you run this for me and paste the output: # apt-cache search linux-image-2.6|grep x86
21:59<mike>so im lookign for 2.6.26 correct/
22:00<mike>http://pastebin.com/d6282ae4d
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22:01<norbert_>abrotman: why are there no 686 headers for 2.6.18?
22:02<mike>where is yoru sources list located?
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22:02<mike>your*
22:02<norbert_>in /etc/apt/sources.list
22:02<mike>hmm
22:02<norbert_>but you shouldn't need to touch it
22:02<mike>i dont have backports in it
22:02<abrotman>norbert_: you had him search for linux-image .. not linux-headers ?
22:03<norbert_>yeah, apparently he looked for linux instead of linux-image
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22:03<norbert_>but I see no 686 at all
22:03<norbert_>and yet he is using 2.6.18-6-686
22:03<mike>i dont have backports in it
22:04<mike>do now though
22:04<mike>ok
22:04<norbert_>mike: where did you get your current kernel from?
22:04<abrotman>http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
22:04<mike>um wherever they told me to
22:04<norbert_>right
22:04<norbert_>we need to get back to -486
22:04<abrotman>lalala .. backports.org :)
22:05<norbert_>mike: how much memory does your machine have?
22:05<abrotman>norbert_: really shouldn't have to .. check his sources.list
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22:05<mike>2gb
22:05<mike>why?
22:05<abrotman>and have him `apt-cache --names-only search linux-headers`
22:05<norbert_>2gb needs -686
22:05<superjet_busy>is there a app can take screenshot that repeat capture last select region?
22:05-!-tosi [~tosi@c-67-191-70-228.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:05<abrotman>superjet_busy: you mean like a movie ?
22:05<mike>ok um am i installign these headers or not lol
22:05<superjet_busy>abrotman: no, just desktop
22:06<abrotman>superjet_busy: yes .. like making a movie ?
22:06<abrotman>mike: `apt-cache --names-only search linux-headers` .. put it in a pastebin
22:06<mike>bash: linux-headers-2.6-486: command not found
22:07<superjet_busy>abrotman: maybe, like hypersnap-dx does under ms windows to repeat last capture
22:07<abrotman>superjet_busy: nope .. no idea .. use a script perhaps
22:07<abrotman>mike: cd /tmp/ first
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22:07<mike>same output
22:07<norbert_>superjet_busy: check out xvidcap, it can take single shots
22:07<mike>command not found
22:08<abrotman>mike: you're typing something wrong
22:08<superjet_busy>norbert_: ok, to check it
22:08<mike>i copied it right from you -.-
22:08<norbert_>superjet_busy: it can record mpeg, but also single frame capture
22:08<abrotman>mike: paste the command and the output
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22:09<superjet_busy>norbert_: wink can't?
22:10<mike>http://pastebin.com/m30ce083
22:10<mike>there you go
22:10<norbert_>superjet_busy: is the region you want to capture a full window?
22:10<norbert_>superjet_busy: I don't know wink
22:10<norbert_>linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686
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22:11<norbert_>that's what we need
22:11<abrotman>norbert_: nope .. wrong kernel now
22:11<norbert_>is there a etchnhalf 2.6.18-4-686 ?
22:11<mike>aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686
22:11<mike>?
22:11<superjet_busy>got it, thanks abrotman norbert_ :)
22:11<abrotman>mike: uname -a .. what are you running
22:11<abrotman>i had the headers package for etchnhalf wrong
22:12<abrotman>mike: wait .. did you add sources for backports.org ?
22:12<superjet_busy>norbert_: http://www.debugmode.com/wink/
22:12<mike>deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
22:13<mike>>?
22:13<superjet_busy>norbert_: just a part of full screen, wink and xvidcap do it now
22:13<norbert_>superjet_busy: great :)
22:13<norbert_>abrotman: why do you want mike to use etchnhalf?
22:13<abrotman>mike: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 .. is it going to install a new kernel ?
22:14<abrotman>norbert_: i don't .. i thought it had the driver .. the .26 at backports.or ghsould
22:14<norbert_>ok
22:14<abrotman>the linux-uvc won't build with the .24 apparently ...
22:14<superjet_busy>norbert_: thanks again for the hints :)
22:15<norbert_>mike: do what abrotman suggests, install linux-image-2.6-686
22:15<mike>it told me nothing will be installed uprgraded or removed
22:15<norbert_>mike: after that, we'll do a uname -r and get the matching headers
22:15<abrotman>mike: there should be one from backports.org
22:15<mike>umm hold on
22:15<mike>i ran my apt-get update right
22:16<mike>and got an error
22:16<abrotman>important details!
22:16-!-user [~user@c-24-125-118-158.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #debian
22:16<mike>W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136CW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
22:16<user>hey
22:16<abrotman>!apt-key 6BA136CW
22:16<dpkg>gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6BA136CW ; gpg --export 6BA136CW | sudo apt-key add -
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22:17<mike>did i put something wrong in my sources.list?
22:17<norbert_>mike: no, just run: # gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6BA136CW ; gpg --export 6BA136CW | sudo apt-key add -
22:17<mike>just copy and paste that whole thing?
22:17<norbert_>yes, after # and run it as root
22:18<mike>got that much
22:18<norbert_>it'll at the required gnupg key for backports
22:18<norbert_>(or something)
22:18<norbert_>at->add
22:19<mike>ort 6BA136CW | sudo apt-key add - gpg: directory `/root/.gnupg' created gpg: can't open `/gnupg/options.skel': No such file or directory gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/secring.gpg' created gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created gpg: "6BA136CW" not a key ID: skipping gpg: WARNING: nothing exported gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
22:20<mike>would it be quicker just to update to lenny lol
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22:21<norbert_>mike: you don't really need apt to be able to verify the signatures
22:21-!-zerial [~zerial@200.92.219.187] has joined #debian
22:21<norbert_>mike: but please stop using backports
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22:22<mike>lol im just doing what i was told
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22:22<mike>ok norbert_ so what do i do now?
22:22<norbert_>mike: can you do: # apt-cache search linux-image|grep 686
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22:22<norbert_>mike: does that return /anything/?
22:23<abrotman>he can install the bpo kernel without having the gpg key
22:23<norbert_>yeah, I know <norbert_> mike: you don't really need apt to be able to verify the signatures
22:23<abrotman>the debian-keyring package might have that key
22:24<norbert_>yes, he could do a apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
22:24<mike>http://pastebin.com/d33de3872
22:24<norbert_>but he shouldn't need backports, /at all/
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22:24<norbert_>mike: great
22:24<norbert_>mike: one moment; we'll install one of those
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22:25<mike>ok take your time no rush =D
22:25<abrotman>norbert_: he shouldn't .. thought it would be easier ..
22:26<norbert_>mike: # apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686
22:26<abrotman>norbert_: uh .. no .. use the -6-
22:26<mike>is this changing my kern again >
22:26<abrotman>the -4- has a very serious security hole
22:26<norbert_>mike: in that case, pick # apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686
22:27<gsimmons>And mike already has 2.6.18-6-686 installed...
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22:27<norbert_>mike: just install that last one I mentioned
22:27<goodger>and use aptitude...
22:27<abrotman>norbert_: -5- has the security issue too
22:28<norbert_>abrotman: what kind of security issues?
22:28<mike>children do i need to turn this irc around?
22:28<abrotman>norbert_: oh .. it can be rooted with 10 lines of C ?
22:28<abrotman>widely available C
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22:28<mike>ok shall i stick with 6
22:28<mike>or go to 5 -.-
22:28<norbert_>why is there only a linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem and no linux-image-2.6.18-6-686?
22:29-!-breach [~breach@adsl-69-107-50-66.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
22:29<norbert_>mike: well, it seems -5 has a huge security problem
22:29<breach>hey. how would i go about stopping my x server?
22:29<mike>ugh i installed it -.-
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22:30<newsense>gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "devious.gateway.2wire.net IN AAAA", got type "A" anyone know what this means im guessing its dns related
22:30<abrotman>jebus
22:30<mike>ok im gonna reboot and im gonna se what i am now lol
22:30<abrotman>norbert_: it's like the second or third line
22:30<mike>brb
22:30<abrotman>norbert_: third
22:30<breach>so. stopping my x server...
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22:31<breach>evil minions, arise and come to aide me
22:31<abrotman>norbert_: everything less than -6- has the vmsplice security issue
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22:31<abrotman>breach: how did you start it ?
22:31<norbert_>breach: what exactly do you want to do? if you want to restart X you can use ctrl-alt-backspace; but you are probably using a display manager like gdm or xdm; you might want to kill that too with # killall -9 gdm (or xdm or kdm, whatever)
22:32<breach>i didn't. it loads at boot. i'm trying to reinstall my x server and the installation binary is balking that the xserver is still running
22:32<abrotman>breach: which DM do you have installed ? gdm/kdm/xdm ?
22:32<abrotman>norbert_: /msg dpkg sigkill
22:32<snogglethorpe>hmm, what about "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" ?
22:32-!-spetz [~spetz@76-10-136-60.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #debian
22:32<abrotman>he wants to *stop* it
22:32<breach>...all three accorging to to the message i got when i installed kdebase
22:32<snogglethorpe>ok, then "stop"
22:33<breach>but i'm using gdm
22:33-!-mike [~mike@c-76-99-0-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
22:33<mike>ok
22:33<mike>so my grub now had liek 12 different choices in it haha
22:33<snogglethorpe>so what about "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
22:33<norbert_>mike: haha :D
22:33<snogglethorpe>?
22:33<abrotman>mike: uname -a .. which are you running ?
22:33<norbert_>mike: now do # uname -r
22:33*abrotman bets .24
22:33<mike>im on etchnahalf still lol
22:33<norbert_>I bet .18
22:34<abrotman>mike: aptitude install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring
22:34<norbert_>mike: please give the output :)
22:34<norbert_>etchnhalf, that would be .24
22:34<abrotman>yes .. i said that
22:35<mike>installing keyring
22:35<norbert_>mike: problem is that you don't want to use -4 or -5 if those have security issues
22:35<abrotman>mike: and as root "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6BA136CW ; gpg --export 6BA136CW | apt-key add -"
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22:36<breach>ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.
22:36<abrotman>norbert_: that's only the .18-5-686 etc .. the .24 would be a different scheme
22:36<abrotman>breach: killall X
22:36<breach>X: no process killed
22:36<abrotman>problem solved!
22:36<breach>:(
22:36<breach>i'm still getting the same message about the xserver
22:36<mike>gpg: "6BA136CW" not a key ID: skipping
22:36<mike>gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
22:36<mike>gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
22:37<abrotman>breach: ps aux | grep X
22:37<abrotman>but it is a key!
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22:37<mike>my backports is broken =[
22:37<abrotman>mike: are you still using apt-get or now apttiude ?
22:38<norbert_>abrotman: why is aptitude better than apt-get?
22:38<mike>so you want me to put aptituse in fron tof that?
22:38<abrotman>norbert_: /msg dpkg why aptitude
22:38<breach>i killed the process that ps returned, then gdm started again. gdm is running right now, but i haven't logged in yet.
22:38<abrotman>mike: no . i'm just asking
22:39<abrotman>breach: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
22:39<mike>no im using aptituse lol
22:40<mike>ughh what if upgraded to lenny would it work then ?
22:40<abrotman>mike: if you `aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686` .. what does it say ?
22:40<mike>WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
22:40<mike>Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security.
22:40<mike>You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that
22:40<mike>this is what you want to do.
22:40<mike> linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-686
22:40-!-mike was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
22:41<abrotman>didn't we tell him about the pastebin ?
22:41<norbert_>hehe
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22:41<abrotman>mike: just say Yes to install it
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22:41<mike>shoulda pastebinned it lol
22:41<mike>ok so this is gonna be another grub entry -.-
22:41<mike>lol
22:42<norbert_>mike: you can tell your friends you run 10 different Linux versions :)
22:42<abrotman>mike: you can remove the old ones you're not using
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22:42<mike>haha
22:42<knoppix_>hoho
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22:43<mike>i think ill leave one as a backup lol
22:43<norbert_>knoppix_: wrong channel?
22:43<mike>knoppix rules
22:43<abrotman>not funny
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22:43*mike formats knoppix_
22:43<mike>there we go =D
22:43<Guest378>kein spass
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22:44<norbert_>I guess the 7 minutes are over, huh; I overestimated myself
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22:44<mike>lol dont worry about it
22:44<Guest378>yes
22:44<abrotman>there used to be a backports channel .. i don't see it anymore
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22:44<mike>installed
22:44<mike>what now?
22:45<abrotman>same thing you did five minutes ago
22:45<abrotman>oh .. reboot
22:45<mike>-.-
22:45-!-Guest378 [~knoppix@88-134-49-160-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit []
22:45<abrotman>see ... the knoppix user got it
22:45<mike>boot to the new kern?
22:45<abrotman>yes
22:45<abrotman>this better be the coolest webcam ever
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22:45<norbert_>haha :)
22:45<mike>haha nope
22:45<mike>it sucks
22:45-!-mike [~mike@c-76-99-0-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:46<abrotman>better put schooners in the pictures
22:48-!-mike [~mike@c-76-99-0-209.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
22:48<mike>ok so my sound doesnt work now?
22:48-!-h2-gw [~h2-gw@c-76-103-131-228.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:48<abrotman>but the webcam?!
22:49<tosi>whats a small app to check temperature?
22:49<mike>haha allright forget this ill stick with the etch and a half haha
22:49<abrotman>no really .. i want to know if the webcam works
22:49<norbert_>tosi: for gnome? maybe computertemp? try apt-cache search temperature
22:50<mike>how do i check?
22:50<tosi>i installed computer temperature monitor with s ynaptics but i dont know how to run it
22:50<norbert_>mike: kdetv
22:50<norbert_>mike: # apt-get install kdetv
22:50<norbert_>kdetv is a nice tool to test webcams, imho
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22:51<norbert_>mike: or try: $ mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:fps=25:width=640:height=480:device=/dev/video0
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22:51<norbert_>better yet, do a # ls /dev/video*
22:51<norbert_>tosi: right-click on the panel and select "add to panel"
22:51<norbert_>tosi: (after you installed the package)
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22:53<mike>no greenscreen
22:53-!-rjc [~rjc@cpc1-cmbg10-0-0-cust53.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:53<norbert_>mike: did you try both that mplayer command and kdetv?
22:53<norbert_>mike: and what does this give you: # ls /dev/video*
22:53<mike>v4l2: ioctl dequeue buffer failed: Invalid argument, idx = 0
22:53<norbert_>yeah, that means your mplayer is old
22:54<mike>/dev/video0
22:54<norbert_>mike: try kdetv
22:54<mike>yeah the kde thing isnt in my mvideo thingy
22:54<mike>lol
22:54<norbert_># apt-get install kdetv
22:54<mike>it isnt in the sound and video menue
22:54<mike>and i installed it
22:54<norbert_>then just run $ kdetv
22:54<norbert_>if you have /dev/video0, kdetv should work
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22:55<norbert_>the error mplayer gives you just means it's an old version
22:55<mike>lol it works
22:55<norbert_>great
22:55<norbert_>and your audio isn't working because it's locked to the webcam
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22:55<mike>ok now will it work on the other kern?
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22:56<norbert_>abrotman: your hints worked, he got his cam to work :)
22:56<abrotman>norbert_: but his sound is broken!
22:56<mike>lol yeh its broked =[
22:56<abrotman>and i'm too tired to continue
22:56<norbert_>I know why it's broken
22:56<mike>haha its cool i bott into another kern
22:57<norbert_>I have the same problem with my cam and audio
22:57<norbert_>you have to boot with the cam disconnected to get normal audio
22:57<mike>i cant disconect my cam
22:57<mike>its intgrated lol
22:57<norbert_>snd_usb_audio is locking the device
22:57<mike>well
22:57<mike>what if i disconnect my audio?
22:57<mike>and reconnect.
22:57<norbert_>just remove that module
22:58<mike>what module
22:58<mike>?
22:58<mike>i cant lol i have a usb soundcard so if remove it my usb soundcard wont work
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22:59<abrotman>you kids have fun :)
22:59-!-hw [benjamin@modemcable194.110-21-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #debian
22:59<norbert_>thanks abrotman, cu :)
22:59<goodger>night, abrotman
22:59<mike>thanks abrotman night
22:59<mike>allright im booting into my audio kern lol
22:59<mike>XD
22:59<abrotman>goodger: uhm .. it's like 4am there
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22:59<goodger>yeah, I know, I own clocks
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23:00<abrotman>i was thinking about a day without clocks/watches the other day ...
23:00<norbert_>main problem with mike's setup is crappy hardware
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23:01<abrotman>you don't say ...
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23:01<norbert_><abrotman> this better be the coolest webcam ever
23:01*abrotman waves
23:02<norbert_>but what was a really awesome remark :)
23:02<goodger>night abrotman
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23:03<mike>w00t got audio back
23:03<mike>framing hanley <3
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23:04<mike>cant live without mymusic
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23:06<mike>!lenny release notes
23:06<dpkg>Draft release notes at http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/ (latest draft; updated daily). See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>. Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687).
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23:07<blaw>hello
23:07<norbert_>hi blaw
23:07<blaw>im new in debian :D
23:08<goodger>welcome
23:08<blaw>(the OS not the channel)
23:08-!-craigevil [~craigevil@adsl-76-249-29-90.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
23:08<blaw>can i get some kind of help in here?
23:08<blaw>or is just for chat
23:09<mike>what you need?
23:09<norbert_>blaw: if you have problems with your system you can always try to ask for help here
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23:09<mike>norbert_ your running lenny right?
23:09<norbert_>mike: yes
23:09<blaw>me too
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23:09<mike>norbert_, is it stable?
23:10<anaya>hello
23:10<norbert_>I installed it a couple of hours ago, so I can't really tell
23:10<goodger>mike: if you want to upgrade to lenny I will help you personally as a last act of kindness before bed
23:10<norbert_>hi anaya
23:10<goodger>it's perfectly stable for me
23:10<mike>goodger im thinking of it
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23:10<mike>you said audio is better
23:10<mike>lol
23:10<goodger>you have a couple of minutes to decide
23:10<mike>ok lets go
23:11<mike>as long as it doesnt kill my comp
23:11<blaw>hey..
23:11<goodger>okie-doke
23:11<norbert_>blaw: yes?
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23:11<anaya>i new in this chat
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23:11<norbert_>anaya: welcome
23:11<snogglethorpe>audio is always kind of sucky though even in lenny
23:12<blaw>hmm.. maybe is a stupid question but.. i need an antivirus to scan pendrives, usb flash and that stuff
23:12<blaw>clamav?
23:12<stew>blaw: clamav
23:12<anaya>and, i new in debian
23:12<norbert_>yes, clamav and also: clamav-daemon
23:13<snogglethorpe>how often do you actually execute stuff from usb memory though?
23:13<anaya>speak a litle english
23:13<norbert_>anaya: well, we hope you like it :)
23:13<blaw>clamav is a console app? what's clamav-daemon?
23:14<anaya>is the daemon of clamav
23:14<norbert_>!tell norbert_ daemon
23:14<craigevil>if your running kde there is klamav a kde frontend to clamav
23:14<anaya>a deamon is a program executed ever :P in second plain :P
23:14<norbert_>learning how to help people :P
23:14<blaw>i use gnone
23:14<blaw>gnome*
23:15<norbert_>"in *nix and other computer multitasking operating systems, a daemon is a computer program that runs in the background, rather than under the direct control of a user"
23:15<blaw>ok
23:16<blaw>well.. windows virus cant f*ck up my deb, right?
23:16<snogglethorpe>blaw: of course, there's no need to stick with pure gnome or pure kde
23:16<blaw>(in new in this(linux))
23:16<snogglethorpe>blaw: you can mix-n-match as you like
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23:17<goodger>blaw: that's correct, the only use for clamav is to scan things on their way to windows
23:18<blaw>good
23:18<goodger>(unless you use wine on viruses, but that's pretty silly)
23:19-!-uva [bono@118-160-172-199.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #debian
23:19<norbert_>although there are Linux viruses as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses#Threats
23:19<anaya>clamav search virus only for windows ???
23:19<goodger>although the exploits that those viruses exploit were patched pretty much on the same day
23:20<blaw>i like debian :) is fun
23:20<blaw>i was a suse user before deb
23:20<snogglethorpe>norbert_: viruses have attack vectors though, and I think windows users are much more likely to tickle them than debian users...
23:20<snogglethorpe>norbert_: for instance, no auto-execute from usb sticks
23:20<norbert_>yep
23:20-!-qw__ [bono@118-160-170-28.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #debian
23:20<snogglethorpe>norbert_: and debian users don't tend to just copy random binaries around
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23:22<anaya>i befor ubuntu user :P
23:22-!-HellDragon [~jd@modemcable022.187-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:22<anaya>i was ubuntu user
23:22<blaw>same, i started in ubuntu, then suse, now deb
23:22<anaya>my english is bad :P
23:23<blaw>where r u from?
23:23<gkm>I've played around with quite a few distros before settling on Debian
23:23<craigevil>snogglethorpe: unless they are like some of the newbs that have been installing debian on their netbook
23:23*blaw mexican
23:23<anaya>wwooow
23:24<anaya>i dont like suse :P
23:25<snogglethorpe>craigevil: how does the netbook work differently?
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23:27<equinux>SuSE es otra "few distro"
23:27<craigevil>snogglethorpe: its doesnt, but a lot have them have never touched linux, its loads of fun trying to help someone when their first question is where is my Program Files and MyDocuments
23:27-!-ZerialKiller [~zerial@200.92.219.187] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
23:27<snogglethorpe>hmm, seems like #$&* apps are constantly recreating directories like ~/Desktop etc...
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23:27<snogglethorpe>i'm gonna wear out rmdir!
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23:28<anaya> ok, a pleasure, bye :)
23:28<equinux>hasta luego, anaya
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23:28<norbert_>does anyone here know of a usable Linux variant that comes with X and is really small (several hundred MB's)?
23:29<anaya>hasta luego :)
23:29<blaw>nos vemos
23:29<blaw>suerte :)
23:29<snogglethorpe>norbert_: puppy linux seems to get a lot of mentions
23:29<snogglethorpe>norbert_: world's most annoying website though
23:29<norbert_>93 MB, that is small indeed
23:29<anaya>gracias :)
23:30<equinux>sabes que hay un canal de apoyo en castellano, verdad?
23:30<norbert_>guys, please stick with English in here
23:30<anaya>no, como entro en el ?
23:30<goodger>agh, spanish
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23:31<norbert_>!debian-es
23:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:31<norbert_>:)
23:31<blaw>ok :)
23:32<anaya>en este servidor ?
23:32<equinux>
23:32<goodger>*headdesk*
23:32<goodger>english, please!
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23:32<blaw>relax :|
23:33<s3a>anyone know of a software i can get from lenny repositories to highlight text on a pdf?
23:33<norbert_>s3a: what do you mean by "highlight text on a pdf"; select it?
23:33-!-burns [~burns@213.47.179.42] has joined #debian
23:33<s3a>norbert_, highlight as if it was paper (like when people use yellow highlighters to highlight important stuff)
23:33<norbert_>s3a: if so, try kpdf or better yet convert it with pdftotext to prevent getting all these newlines
23:34<anaya>tanks
23:34<s3a>norbert_, not not select, i meant like highlight like on virtual paper
23:34<norbert_>s3a: temporarily or to save the text with highlights?
23:34<mike>the lenny upgrade doesnt liek me =[
23:35<s3a>norbert_, well i want to save a copy with highlighted content but not to overwrite the original
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23:35<norbert_>maybe use wine? http://lglinux.blogspot.com/2008/01/pdf-viewer-with-text-highlighting.html
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23:36<blaw>anyone use JDownloader?
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23:36<s3a>norbert_, i know there is linux native software though i just dont remember any names
23:36<norbert_>evince?
23:36<norbert_>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=391388
23:37<norbert_>ends with xournal
23:37<norbert_>I don't know, this sounds like a 'check google' question :)
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23:38<norbert_>apt gives me "impressive" (and "sisu")
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23:40<craigevil>Xournal is a GTK+ application for notetaking, sketching and
23:40<craigevil> keeping a journal using a stylus. It can also be used to
23:40<craigevil> add annotations to PDF files.
23:41<norbert_>impressive is usable for presentations
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23:41<norbert_>user can select areas that will be highlighted
23:41<norbert_>but only one at a time, as far as I can tell
23:41-!-superjet_busy [~superjet@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
23:41<norbert_>oh no, several
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23:44<blaw>wich one is the best for debian? screenlets, gdesklets or adesklets?
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23:45<craigevil>norbert_: you might take a look at okular if you dont mind using kde app
23:45<norbert_>craigevil: s3a; I'm not looking for an app :)
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23:46<norbert_>I'm working on something else entirely
23:46<s3a>norbert_, i think i found xournal
23:46<norbert_>trying to get freenet to run in puppy in virtualbox
23:46<norbert_>using 1500 MB memory
23:46<s3a>norbert_, or maybe pdfedit but wait
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23:48<norbert_>I think I need to create a memdisk at .VirtualBox
23:48<norbert_>and allocate less than 1500 MB for VirtualBox itself
23:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 343] by debhelper
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23:52<blaw>whats puppy?
23:52<simonrvn>a baby dog
23:52<blaw>*plop*
23:52<norbert_>blaw: www.puppylinux.org
23:53<simonrvn>ask vague questions, get vague answers.
23:53<blaw>:P
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