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---Logopened Fri Jan 23 00:00:23 2009
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00:02<jscinoz>is anyone alive here?
00:02<Gun_Smoke>sort of...
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00:05<klaymen>had a quick Q about the auth logs.
00:06<klaymen>every 8 mins. i get this:
00:06<klaymen>Jan 23 13:17:01 user CRON[21050]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0)
00:06<klaymen>Jan 23 13:17:01 user CRON[21050]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root
00:06<klaymen>anyone know why it would do that every 8 mins?
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00:08<kop>klaymen : Because you've got a cron job that runs as root every 8 minutes?
00:09<klaymen>its a fresh build
00:09<klaymen>how do i check cron jobs?
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00:10<kop>In etch pam_winbind logs an error and fails as an account module if smb.conf is setup so that users are not enumerated. Does this happen in lenny too?
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00:11<kop>klayman: Be root and 'crontab -l'. Also check /etc/cron.d/*
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00:12<klaymen>:/var/log# crontab -l
00:12<klaymen>no crontab for root
00:12<klaymen>ah
00:12<klaymen>php5 in /etc/cond.d
00:12<klaymen>cron*
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00:14<kop>I want to authenticate off both AD via samba or with the local unix password. And I'd like to have pam_unix as an account module so that if there's a unix account and the password expires in shadow then you can't login. Does pam_unix fail if there's no unix account, or can I make it required so that if there _is_ a unix account it will fail. (Or where can I ask?)
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00:16<klaymen>I also had one more Q.
00:16<klaymen>I want to recieve an email whenever a successful or failed logon attempt is made to my server.
00:16<klaymen>is there anything that will do this for me?
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00:18<kop>klaymen : man syslog.conf, you will want to pipe the auth facility to the mail command.
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00:23<klaymen>hm
00:23<klaymen>kop
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00:23<klaymen>can you point me in the right direction
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00:23<klaymen>having trouble finding out how to do that
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00:24<kop>klaymen : Sorry, pipe it to a fifo and run a little daemon that reads the fifo: nohup bash -c 'cat /var/myfifo | while read msg ; do echo "$msg" | mail -s "Actvity" me@example.com ; done' &
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00:26<kop>klaymen : Er, I think "tail -f" instead of "cat".
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00:26<kop>klaymen : Seems like there'd be a simpler way, but I'm tired.
00:26<klaymen>you are excused ;)
00:26<klaymen>thanks heaps. at least i have somewhere to start now
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00:27<kop>klaymen: Start the daemon in /etc/rc.local, if you don't write a full /etc/init.d/ script.
00:29<klaymen>hm
00:29<klaymen>k
00:29<klaymen>i was just thinking cron job, but i dont want the same log over and over
00:29<klaymen>thats what i get for trying to be smart.
00:30<kop>klaymen: Also the fifo should probably live deeper in /var. See the fhs.
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00:38<skimp>Any good Wifi Gui's anyone can vouch for? not wicd or wifi-radar......
00:38<skimp>something very user friendly, setting this up for girlfriend.
00:39<kop>skimp : Dunno. I heard gnome does something easy.
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00:40<skimp>hmm ive got gnome.. dont see anything.
00:40<chealer>skimp: I'm afraid not, at least not for KDE
00:41<skimp>no wireless gui.. really
00:41<gsimmons>chealer: knetworkmanager isn't usable?
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00:43<kop>Can I call pam_unix as an account module in such a way that it will allow non-existant users access but fail if an existing user has an expired password? (I seem to recall some sort of pam 'skip the next module on some condition' feature, am I right and could I use that?)
00:43<newsense_>skimp, i like wpasupplicant(can run at boot as a daemon and manage association and authentication) and hear they have a gui frontend but have never used it personally
00:44<chealer>gsimmons: I already used it with some success (not voluntarily), but last time it ran on my machine I was hit by #501492, so I wouldn't say it's good.
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00:45<kop>Ah yes, I think there's magic in the "control flag"....
00:45<skimp>well its crazy..
00:45<skimp>my wifi-radar picks up my networks
00:46<skimp>but WICD never picks any of them up
00:46<skimp>wicd says no wireless networks found
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00:53<kop>account [success=ok new_authtok_reqd=ok user_unknown=ignore ignore=ignore defau\
00:53<kop>lt=bad] pam_unix.so
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00:53<kop>That might work.
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01:10<pos>skimp: pkg network-manager-gnome is what you want, works well in kde was well ;-)
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01:29<kop>Humm. I can't seem to kill -9 openvpn. What do I do?
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01:48<jim_p>hi people
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01:49<jim_p>what is the best kernel to use on a k8 cpu? i have it on a -486 kernel at the moment and i am thinking of -686. 64bits are out of the question until some flash problems with flashplayer 10 are resolved
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02:03<jscinoz>jim_p, but there's a 64bit flash now
02:04<jim_p>jscinoz, yea i know, but it has some issues with some flash apps (like flash 10) in facebook and my bro complains to me for that
02:04<jscinoz>what do you mean it "isseus with flash apps (like flash 10)" it *is* flash 10.
02:06<jim_p>some facebook apps dont appear correctly or have an offset of ~200pixels
02:08<jim_p>so i stick to flash 9
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02:13*Supaplex stabs non-free software in the face
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02:14<jim_p>lmao Supaplex
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02:21<chealer>jim_p: amd64 (on Debian i386, if you want)
02:21<jim_p>will it behave nicely with flash?
02:22<chealer>jim_p: as well as other kernels, modulo unlikely bugs
02:22<jim_p>oh ok
02:22<jim_p>thanks
02:22<jim_p>so i move to 64bits... help me god!
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02:23<chealer>jim_p: it's not really a move to 64-bits... it would feel like the difference between Windows 32-bit and 64-bit
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02:24<jim_p>chealer, well i need to redo ndiswrapper and some nvidia stuff now
02:25<chealer>jim_p: ndiswrapper...do you use etch?
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02:26<jim_p>chealer, no, i have a non native linux driver for the wireless
02:28<chealer>jim_p: just curious, but why?
02:29<jim_p>because its some weird wireless card
02:29<jim_p>do you want me to ssh to the laptop to post lspci?
02:31<chealer>jim_p: no, it's OK
02:31<jim_p>no wait, i turned it on now
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02:34<jim_p>chealer, 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Linksys, A Division of Cisco Systems [AirConn] INPROCOMM IPN 2220 Wireless LAN Adapter (rev 01)
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02:38<phorce1>so, switches ... 3 networks feeding a mass of mixed debian and win boxes. Since I've never actually attempted this I need to ask first to be sure my brain is functioning properly. Switches don't care what goes through them so I should be able to connect all 3 (different IP ranges) networks to a single switch and have access to all of them that way, correct? (so long as I make sure only one of them is offering dhcp leases)
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02:39<chealer>jim_p: aha, that looks hopeless enough. anyway, hopefully that won't need God's intervention.
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02:39<jim_p>chealer, thats why i resorted to ndiswrapper
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03:28<jezza>hello
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03:33<Supaplex>jezza: goooooodNIGHT :) zzZzz!
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03:41<jim_p>what is the kde equivalent for cheese? http://packages.debian.org/sid/cheese
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03:42<jm_>kdetv apparently support V4l
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03:52<jim_p>jm_, i dont want it to view tv! i want it to get pics from the camera, can it do so?
03:54<jm_>jim_p: v4l is how most webcams are accessed in Linux, so any v4l app should do
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03:55<jim_p>jm_, oh thanks
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03:56<neocortex>Hello, does anyone knows how to download some vids, like youtube, from Epiphany?
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03:58<jim_p>neocortex, you can use some site like keepvid to get you the vids
03:59<jim_p>else, look at the source code for some flv url
03:59<jm_>or use tools like clive or youtube-dl
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04:01<neocortex>Thanks so much! My son is bothering me for some music cartoon for a while :-)
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04:33<DTE>hi all
04:33<DTE>i need help...it's not debian related
04:33<DTE>in the case i have manage a mail server
04:33<DTE>what's the best solution to make backups?
04:35<OdyX>cp ?
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04:36<petemc>what mailbox type do you use?
04:38<DTE>maildir with imap/pop
04:38<DTE>i already save the maildir directories
04:38<petemc>maildir is fairly easy to move around
04:38<DTE>but when i have to restore one email
04:38<DTE>it's a bit complicated
04:38<DTE>i was thinking about a catchall
04:39<petemc>i use mutt to restore individual mails
04:39<DTE>ah
04:39<DTE>mutt on the server?
04:39<petemc>yeah
04:39<DTE>that reads directly the backups?
04:39<petemc>yeah
04:39<petemc>i use dirvish to create the backups
04:40<petemc>you can just use 'normal' tools to restore them or work with them directly
04:40<DTE>one sec...tel
04:42<DTE>ah ok
04:42<DTE>anyway i should have enough space on the server to make some copies
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05:28<peej>regex in bash question: I want to list only files ending in .txt, with main part of name in small case alphabetical chars. ls [a-z]*.txt doesn't do that. Suggestions?
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05:31<jm_>WFM
05:32<OdyX>peej: you should at least 'protect' your point
05:32<OdyX>which means "any character"
05:34<jm_>but if you want to match files like abcDEF.txt then you need better pattern
05:34<jm_>ahh no stupid me, * will eat that
05:37<peej>ls [a-z]*\.txt shows me files with space in names and caps in names.
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05:41<peej>and rtfm for bash and regex hasn't enlightened me yet on something I reckon should be pretty simple.
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05:43<jm_>peej: yes, as it should
05:43<peej>The * matches zero or more occurences of a-z, which means it matches a file with small case that has caps too. Is that how I should read it?
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05:44<peej>ok, then the original problem is still stumping me: list files with names containing only small case.
05:44<peej>I guess I could pipe through grep.
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05:47<jm_>peej: you can easily do it via extended globbing in bash
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05:49<peej>jm_ : thanks for the tip. extglob shell option.
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07:11<mgoetze>the pvresize manpage says it expects to be used after i have enlarged a partition with fdisk. how exactly do i do that with fdisk?
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07:13<jm_>very carefully
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08:02<hanjichao>有人说汉语吗?
08:02<hanjichao>cn
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08:09<metalqga>!en
08:09<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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08:17<newbie_234>Hi Iam trying to access my usb derive in debian 5.0 but iam getting error message Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied....please help
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08:22<jackyf>newbie: describe how you are trying to access
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08:25<supernova>hello everyone! i've a little problem i've upgraded lenny at latest upgrades but now my laptop's fan is always on and i've no idea why, 'cause all the modules are loaded (cpufreq-ondemand, ecc..)
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08:28<Txt-file>supernova: have you checked with top what processes are running?
08:28<enouf>supernova: probably your cpufreq setting is stuck in one of the governor modes of 'always on' .. or whatever it's called - see http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/cpu-freq/ and /cpuidle .. but also see laptop-mode related things
08:28<newbie>I have the usb plugged in it is detected as Kingston DataTraveler 2.0...When i click on it I get the above error message and when I go into details I have in details:rejected matched 3 rules ,type =methodcall sender =1.31 (uid=1000 ,PID=4712 comm =/usr/bin/gnome-mount --hal-udi /org/freedektop/ha)
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08:28<mrnice`>hi i got DST=85.120.196.46 PROTO=TCP SPT=135 DPT=4568 SEQ=0 ... can u explain to me what that is?
08:29<jm_>mrnice`: iptables logs
08:29<mrnice`>jm_, yeah i know that, i meant what freaking service is that, nothing is running
08:29<enouf>newbie: see if gnome-volume-manager settings are correct
08:29<jm_>mrnice`: port 135 is RPC
08:30<jm_>newbie: and add yourself to group `plugdev'
08:31<mrnice`>jm_, this is a server with a real ip and samba running, i blocked all rpc like 111 and tightend nfs
08:31<enouf>~$ grep 135 /etc/services
08:31<enouf>loc-srv 135/tcp epmap # Location Service
08:31<supernova>Txt-file: the tasks are all ok
08:32<mrnice`>enouf, found out a about that too, but got nothing running
08:32<newbie>thanks enouf,jackyf and to all ...it was that i was not a member of plugdev... :-)
08:33<supernova>but i've noticed when i try to change cpu freq. policy with kpowersave it returns "cannot set cpu etc.."
08:33<supernova>i guess it's a problem around the governor
08:33<jm_>mrnice`: well note that source port is 135 ...
08:34<jm_>supernova: check what cpufreq-info tells you
08:34<enouf>supernova: check BTS for kpowersave bugs
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08:37<supernova>that's a really strange thing guys: when i've typed sudo cpufreq-info, returns no file o command
08:37<jm_>you can run cpufreq-info as user
08:37<supernova>i've re-installed cpufrequtils and everything is ok now!
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08:38<supernova>so at this point thanks all guys, the only thing i can't explain to me is why the utils were not installed, i've used them since 1 year on this laptop
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08:53<mrnice`>jm_, my question is how does this get out, because i disabled forwarding
08:54<mrnice`>jm_, could be that the windows clients are infected with blaster worm,Lovesan
08:54<jm_>mrnice`: why do you think it gets out?
08:55<mrnice`>jm_, because eth1 is the ext if
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08:55<jm_>mrnice`: well the fact that it's printed doesn't mean it gets out, it might just be blocking and logging it?
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08:56<mrnice`>jm_, now i blocked it with iptables, my question is " why does the linux box doing it anyway, without forwarding
08:57<jm_>mrnice`: what do you mean "without IP forwarding"?
08:57<mrnice`>jm_, maybe some kind of spoofing
08:57<mrnice`>jm_, its a server with ip forwarding disabled
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08:58<jm_>mrnice`: well I can't tell you that not knowing the details
08:59<mrnice`>jm_, thx for ur help anyway, i will keep a look at the logs
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09:00<jm_>mrnice`: one thing that comes to mind is - perhaps the change only applies to new connections, not to existing ones, and this may have been an old one (just guessing)
09:01<mrnice`>jm_, thought of that and did a conntrack -f
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09:02<jm_>also make sure to disable it for all interfaces
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09:23<ryanhaigh>hi all, i have installed a fresh lenny system and after having so much trouble getting my bluetooth headset to work i am looking at alternatives
09:24<metalqga>like cabled ones?
09:24<ryanhaigh>so i would like to know if anyone here has used a wireless usb headset for voip with debian and which model headset was used
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09:51<mrnice`>does someone uses iptables ulog target with 2.6.26-1-amd64, charset is broken
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09:56<lillo>ciao
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09:59<rjent_>Greetings, I installed wicd yesterday and it is very nice.
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10:03<servidor>hi
10:03<servidor>spanish
10:04<themill>!es
10:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:04<servidor>tanks
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10:30<peej>I've been trying to list files with names containing only small case when I'm in a dir. I was hoping something like ls [a-z]* would work, but that's doesn't do it (matches everything else). Suggestions?
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10:31<peej>shopts extglob was suggested as a way to handle this, so I've tried stuff like: ls -1 +([a-z]) - but that just confuses me with the output.
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10:31<peej>I could grep and negate every other possibility, but that seems insane.
10:32<peej>maybe I could use find, but shouldn't there be a simple way to do this?
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10:39<themill>peej: "LANG=C ls *[a-z]*" should work
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10:39<themill>(but remember that parsing the output of ls is rarely a smart thing to do)
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10:47<peej>themill, yup, the plan is to sanitize
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10:49<themill>peej: it's not even that... the output of ls is not structured and is not designed to be machine readable. Remember that you can have all characters except \0 and / in a posix filename which includes the newline character. If you are working within some other language (perl, php, C, etc) then use the tools that are already available to deal with such eventualities.
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10:50<peej>interesting
10:50<peej>so bash as a text parser is a seriously bad idea?
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10:51<peej>or is it ls that is the pain in the shell.
10:52<themill>both.
10:52<themill>peej: by default bash will use any whitespace to indicate the end of a "word" and your script will probably assume that each filename is only one "word". So by the time you have spaces and newline characters in your filenames, you're in trouble.
10:52<stevecotton>the manpage for find(1) has a section on "UNUSUAL FILENAMES", as well as options specifically designed for "find | xargs" commands (where the shell wouldn't even parse the data going in to xargs).
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10:53<themill>"find ... -print0 | grep -Zz ... | ... | xargs -0" is the canonical way to deal with this. Additionally, bash's builtin "read" has a -d option to set the delimiter if you need to do things in a loop that xargs can't do for you.
10:53<themill>!using find
10:53<dpkg>i guess using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind
10:54<peej>interesting. I was trying to figure where bash and perl beat each other, and couldn't see it just from looking at their basic functionality (contents page of language). Both being capable of all the usual stuff. But here is where perl (and of course its modules) completely wipes its botty with bash.
10:55<themill>peej: if it's not implemented already in perl (or a module) and you start wanting to call external commands, then perl is sucky and bash wins. I normally do anything non-trivial in perl rather than bash.
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10:57<koollman>peej: perl beats bash on about ... everything. but, bash (or any shell) is practical for 'shell things', like running many programs, piping them together and all.
10:58<themill>iterating across the filesystem is probably easier in bash than perl too
10:58<koollman>right, and, it makes it easy to reuse existing programs with min
10:58<koollman>minimal changes.
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10:58<peej>I'm a little surprised that doing this kind of thing in bash is so tough, considering it is a relatively simple and common sort of sysadmin task (files come in somewhere, with certain names you want to sanitize, and do something with).
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10:59<peej>(well, that's why I'm doing this)
10:59<peej>(trying to avoid rm -rf ; type of stuff on the way)
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11:00<peej>there's probably a sanitize utility around somewhere I guess.
11:01<koollman>peej: hmm. no. there's not. shell users have a long tradition of learning the hard way to not make mistakes :)
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11:01<themill>no, you'd probably just use find for that sort of thing. Find can do a lot itself (-delete) or spawn new processes (-exec) or feed another processor (-print0 to a pipe like xargs) or feed a loop (while read etc).
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11:04<peej>thanks for all this feedback. I have noted this wisdom so I can study it this weekend.
11:04<Miaow>hello everybody
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11:35<servidor>hi, spanish
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11:35<servidor>whow change spanish
11:36<servidor>who
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11:40<servidor>hell
11:40<servidor>hello
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11:43<JordiGH>libc6 update in lenny? o.O
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11:43<JordiGH>that makes me nervous, but it seems to just be Debian patches.
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11:43<metalqga>ppl not backing up make me nervous :P
11:44<JordiGH>I don't have anywhere to backup 80 gigs. :-(
11:44<petern>is it porn?
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11:44<metalqga>petern not so straight forward
11:44<metalqga>is it scientific movies?
11:45<metalqga>:P
11:45<Lenhix>I had to backup 167... it took me 5 months to get enough HDDs loaned from my friends
11:45<JordiGH>Little of both, actually. And music. And bunch of source trees under a VCS. And my own code.
11:46*JordiGH reads the Debian changelog for libc6, as if that were any assurance that things will be fine.
11:46<petern>i never had a libc update that wiped all my data...
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11:46<JordiGH>Hm, it seems that all they've patched is to switch the currency symbols of some European countries to the Euro.
11:47<JordiGH>petern: Ever tried updating to experimental? :P
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11:47<metalqga>I don't worry about my data when updating to experimental
11:48<JordiGH>Should I believe you, Debian? Did you really only patch libc6 to change some currency symbols? You didn't comment out anything important this time?
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11:49<petern>no...
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11:50<petern>i have used unstable in times of great instability before, though
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11:50<petern>(such as one time that left it unusable)
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11:51<JordiGH>"But unstable is always stable for me! Stable is only for servers!" :D
11:51<petern>heh
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12:03<dgodfather>hi all, can anyone help me with some openbox issues?
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12:04<mjt>what's the prefferred way to change which window manager/desktop environment gets started for ones account on debian? Is it ~/.xsession or something else?
12:05<JordiGH>mjt: I take it you're not using a dm?
12:05<mjt>both -- using and not ;)
12:05<mjt>differently on different machines
12:05<mjt>but xdm does not offer that choice too
12:06<mjt>gdm does
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12:06<adec45>jon
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12:10<mjt>ok, ~/.xsession (symlinking it to proper session) works, but i'm not sure if it's the proper way... Thanks!
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12:11<sldfhslkjfhs0hsd0>is #debian being flooded or otherwise harassed?
12:11<stew>sldfhslkjfhs0hsd0: no. why do you ask?
12:11<sldfhslkjfhs0hsd0>tor users "Cannot send to channel"
12:11<stew>uh, yes we were
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12:12<stew>i can turn that off
12:12<sldfhslkjfhs0hsd0>meh
12:12-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
12:12<sldfhslkjfhs0hsd0>oh, can. thought you said cant
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12:12<sldfhslkjfhs0hsd0>lol. thanks alot
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12:12<sldfhslkjfhs0hsd0>thx
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12:13<gsimmons>dgodfather: You'll need to describe your issues first. There's also #openbox on this network.
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12:17<untam3d>hey I have problem with mysql on php scripts
12:18<untam3d>problem is "undefined" function mysql_connect
12:18<stew>untam3d: aptitude install php5-mysql
12:18<untam3d>hmmm, I will try
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12:19<untam3d>Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/szkola/licznik.php on line 8\
12:19<untam3d>error is still visible
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12:20<untam3d>I have readed about extension "mysql.so" in php.ini
12:20<stew>untam3d: is this a standalong script? or is it running under apache?
12:20<untam3d>apache
12:20<stew>untam3d: you'd have to reload apache
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12:20<untam3d>how?
12:20<untam3d>but wait
12:21<stew>untam3d: is it apache or apache2?
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12:21<untam3d>apache2
12:21<stew>untam3d: /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
12:21<nothing555>hey. debian-multimedia-keyring is not an installation candidate
12:21<nothing555>http://paste.debian.net/26705/
12:21<untam3d>I don't sure that I really turn on mysql extension
12:21<stew>untam3d: if you want to use "mysql_connect" you need to turn on the mysql extension
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12:22<stew>untam3d: (and installing php5-mysql enables the mysql extension by creating /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.ini)
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12:23<untam3d>how about this:
12:23-!-marlboro [~marlboro@248-222-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #debian
12:23<untam3d>"untam3d@Base:/etc/init.d$ ls -l apa*
12:23<untam3d>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4842 2008-09-06 11:47 apache2
12:23<untam3d>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2830 2007-03-04 02:36 apache-perl
12:23<untam3d>untam3d@Base:/etc/init.d$ apache2 force-reload
12:23<untam3d>bash: apache2: command not found"
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12:24<petern>welcome to linux
12:24<petern>your current directory is not, by default, in the path
12:24<nothing555>maybe './apache2 force-reload'
12:24<nothing555>from /etc/init.d
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12:24*JordiGH adds the currdir to the path. Oh no!
12:25<untam3d>ohhh sorry I forgot
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12:25<JordiGH>But not as root.
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12:25<JordiGH>The worst a malicious script can do is wipe my porn. :-(
12:25<untam3d>but aafter that apache prints failed
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12:26<Gathond>JordiGH: but we all know that is the important bits:)
12:26<untam3d>ok
12:26<untam3d>gotcha , thanks all
12:26<untam3d>I have another, emmm problem
12:26<untam3d>my system font has been changed to littlest Lucida font,
12:26<untam3d>now all aplications uses not mine, small font
12:27<Wizoo>Does anyone know what the real difference is between the nvidia drivers that you download from nvidia vs the dpkg ones?
12:27<untam3d>size about 9, It's horrible looks
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12:29<JordiGH>Wizoo: Probably just the version number.
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12:30<Wizoo>JordiGH: Yeh, I don't see anything obvious. I used the nvidia.com drivers and have horrible performance.
12:31<JordiGH>Wizoo: I'm sorry you have to use nvidia. :-( Try the Debian blob instead? Maybe it's better.
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12:31<Wizoo>JordiGH: I was going to try to switch if there were any real difference. Though I hear on the nvidia forums nvidia has really dropped the ball on the linux drivers.
12:32<JordiGH>Wizoo: *shrug* I'm lucky enough to be able to choose not to use nvidia.
12:32<JordiGH>Wizoo: Good luck.
12:32<Wizoo>JordiGH: I just bought a new ASUS and I could have bought the exact same MB with either NVIDIA or ATI. I had a 50 - 50 shot.
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12:33<Wizoo>JordiGH: Well, thanks. I will poke around on the Nvida room (if there is anyone there).
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12:34<JordiGH>Wizoo: ATI has released specs, but their free drivers aren't working yet except for some of the older cards... It's a tough choice there. I'm mostly happy with intel chipsets, although I do have an urge to see some day what Nexuiz with high detail and lighting looks like.
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12:34<XaeroOne>hi all
12:34<XaeroOne>I need some help with debian
12:34<Torsten_W>!ask
12:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:35<JordiGH>We have no patience for social formalities here.
12:35<Wizoo>JordiGH: I always felt that I had good luck with NV in the past. But my luck has run out. But it's good to know about the ATI (that they are not quite there yet either). But I did hear they have the open specs, so that is good to hear.
12:36<XaeroOne>sorry, new here, so what's happening is that I see horizontal lines on the screen
12:36<XaeroOne>I am using debian etch
12:36<XaeroOne>I have pclinuxos also installed and the screen there is smooth
12:36<halflife>XaeroOne: was it working fine and then it started to do that or did you just configure and lauch X and it started that ?
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12:37<XaeroOne>it was like this when i installed debian
12:37<XaeroOne>i had the same issue with gOS as well which is based on ubuntu
12:37<XaeroOne>but puppy linux looks fine
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12:38<inmralu_>olujhgh
12:38<XaeroOne>I could show a screenshot but i don't know how to take it in linux
12:38<inmralu_>hjfj
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12:38<JordiGH>XaeroOne: Is yoru graphics card intel?
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12:38<mjt>nv
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12:39<JordiGH>XaeroOne: If you're running Gnome or KDE (and maybe others) hitting PrintScreen on your keyboard should give you a screenshot.
12:41<XaeroOne>i'm using xfce
12:41<XaeroOne>i tried pasting in gimp nothing happens
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12:41<JordiGH>XaeroOne: Anyways, it's a video card issue. It might not even show up in a screenshot. What's your card?
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12:42<XaeroOne>graphics card is ATI rage
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12:42<XaeroOne>when i run conky in the teminal it says cannont draw double buffer
12:42<JordiGH>XaeroOne: I've seen weird scan-like lines when using EXA instead of XAA... but on an intel card.
12:42<XaeroOne>does that mean anything?
12:43<XaeroOne>"failed to setup double buffer drawing to single buffer"
12:44<kop>JordiGH : You've looked at the X log output?
12:45<JordiGH>kop: Nah, I just went back to XAA. I'll try EXA again in a few months.
12:45<XaeroOne>nope
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12:45<XaeroOne>I don't know anything in linux
12:45<XaeroOne>well a little bit
12:45<XaeroOne>I think it would be better if I read a book and got back so I know how to tell what is wrong first
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12:46<XaeroOne>say, can you tell me how to check my screen resolution?
12:46<JordiGH>XaeroOne: xrandr
12:46<kop>I've a strange problem. There's processes on my system that won't kill -9. My local named does not seem to work and I can't seem to kill it. And there's an openvpn process that can't be killed either.
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12:47<JordiGH>XaeroOne: And what driver are you using? If it's not specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it's probably ati or vesa... you may or may not have better luck with fglrx, and depending on your card, I've had good luck specifically specifying radeon as the driver. You might even try radeonhd, maybe it already works for your card.
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12:48<XaeroOne>it says device generic video card and driver vesa
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12:49<XaeroOne>how can I change that?
12:49<JordiGH>XaeroOne: In xorg.conf?
12:49<JordiGH>Where it says Driver "vesa" put Driver "ati" instead... see how that works.
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12:49<JordiGH>XaeroOne: You know how to edit files?
12:50<kop>XaeroOne : The easy way is to login in text mode in an alternate console (Ctrl-Alt-Fn) and then do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg".
12:50<kop>XaeroOne : You gotta be root. To get back to the graphics window use console 7 (Ctrl-Alt-F7)
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12:51<XaeroOne>yes can edit files
12:51<kop>XaeroOne : To kill your graphics session and start over use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.
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12:52<XaeroOne>guess what I am comparing the pcliuxos and debain xorg.conf and there a lot of modules that are loaded in the pclinuxos than in debian
12:52<kop>XaeroOne : Regardless of whether you use dpkg-reconfigure or edit the conf file, you'll find it easier to work from a plain text console and swtich back and forth to the gui.
12:52<XaeroOne>also the graphics ard and driver are also specified
12:53<XaeroOne>what if i replace the xorg.conf from the pclinuxos partition to debian?
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12:53<kop>XaeroOne : Might work. Or pclinuxos might be using a proprietary driver that's not installed in debian.
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12:54<kop>XaeroOne : You could use diff (diff -u) to compare the 2 configs.
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12:56<JordiGH>XaeroOne: debian's xorg shouldn't need xorg.conf anymore to load modules, because it should be a lot smarter about that now and load modules by default.
12:56<kop>I'm afraid to say it, but something is really borked on my box. Stopping named hangs forever. I may actually have to reboot. :-P
12:56<JordiGH>XaeroOne: You can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if the modules really are getting loaded or not.
12:56*JordiGH mourns the uptime.
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12:57<kop>JordiGH : It's the 20 iceweasel windows and the 15 ssh sessions that hurt.
12:57<enouf>grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log is what i usually use to see
12:57<XaeroOne>at the login screen if i hit ctrl+alt+F2 or F3 it doen't give me any console login window
12:58<enouf>XaeroOne: once at any console/tty, use alt+Fn only ..
13:00<XaeroOne>ok, thanks I'll try that
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13:02<Tuplad>is there a search tool to look for text inside files ?
13:03<Supaplex>grep
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13:04<Xaero2>hi
13:04<Xaero2>seems to work
13:04<JordiGH>Xaero2: What did you change?
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13:04<Xaero2>i replaced driver with ati and something else as well lemme check
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13:05<JordiGH>Xaero2: Lucky enough to get 3d support with free drivers? :D
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13:05<nothing555>hi. i cant install ANYTHING from the debian-multimedia repos. here is my sources.list. http://paste.debian.net/26708/
13:06<nothing555>btw i cant install the debian multimedia keyring either...
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13:06<nothing555>wait. nm. i installed the keyring from a .deb
13:06<Xaero2>ok I put this VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc"
13:06<JordiGH>nothing555: More details, how far does it go?
13:06<Xaero2> BoardName "ATI Mach / Rage-based cards"
13:07<Xaero2> Driver "ati"
13:07<JordiGH>Xaero2: That isn't relevant, it's just a string. You can put in there "Happy Joy Fun Tech Inc." and it'll still work.
13:07<Xaero2>that fixed it
13:07<JordiGH>Xaero2: The only thing that mattered is the "ati" driver.
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13:07<Xaero2>but now on the edge it's too bright this is a 10 year old computer so drivers should not be a problem
13:08<Xaero2>:-D
13:08<JordiGH>On the edge?
13:08<JordiGH>o/` We're living on the edge! o/`
13:08<Xaero2>how can i change the refresh rate, I've noticed this in windows as well
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13:08<Xaero2>reducing the refresh rate works
13:09<JordiGH>Xaero2: man xorg.conf, grep down to Refresh
13:10<Tuplad>Supaplex: cant figure it out xD
13:10<JordiGH>Xaero2: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what refresh rates are being used. Or xrandr
13:10<Xaero2>xrandr
13:10<Xaero2>sorry wrong terminal :-D
13:10<nothing555>ok. here ya go. http://paste.debian.net/26709/
13:11<JordiGH>nothing555: apt-cache policy lame
13:11<Xaero2>it says 75 at 1023x768
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13:11<Xaero2>this monitor can't do that high
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13:11<JordiGH>Xaero2: Change it in xorg.conf
13:12<nothing555>JordiGH: http://paste.debian.net/26710/
13:12<JordiGH>VertRefresh I think
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13:12<wekt>is there a tool for checking signatures of already installed packages?
13:12<JordiGH>nothing555: Looks like debian-multimedia is Pinned to -1? Change its Pin to 500 or 900 or whatever you want it to be.
13:13<JordiGH>wekt: debsums
13:13<Xaero2>gosh the log is so huge i don't know what to look at
13:13<JordiGH>Xaero2: Grep to the number you're looking for.. or for Refresh... or for @
13:13<stew>nothing555: do you have an /etc/apt/preferences ?
13:13<nothing555>JordiGH: does it matter what i change it to. not sure what it's supposed to be. and what file is that setting in
13:13<nothing555>yeah i have one
13:13<nothing555>just made it yesterday
13:13<JordiGH>nothing555: Yes, it matter. If the pin is too low, it won't install.
13:14<stew>nothing555: "man apt_preferences"
13:14<JordiGH>matters
13:14<Xaero2>xrandr puts a "*" next to 75Hz
13:14<Xaero2>so now I have to reduce it
13:15<JordiGH>Xaero2: That just means it's in use.
13:15<Binary>I have a bit of an issue regarding a dual booted laptop with debian/XP, I'm looking for someone who might be able to help me...
13:15<JordiGH>Binary: Ask...
13:16<JordiGH>nothing555: Oh, sorry, I misunderstood your earlier question.
13:16<Binary>Well.. I installed debian about 30 minutes ago, and it's all fine. But now, I can't get onto XP again. I'm not sure if it's an issue for here, or for microsoft support to handle.
13:16<JordiGH>!tell nothing555 about pin
13:16<JordiGH>!tell nothing555 about apt-pinning
13:16<JordiGH>(sorry)
13:16<nothing555>no. that solved it
13:16<nothing555>thanks
13:17<JordiGH>Binary: How can you not get onto XP? Does GRUB not show you XP in the boot menu? Does XP just get stuck while booting?
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13:18<enouf>Binary: installed grub into MBR? Same disk holds both OSes?
13:18<Binary>GRUB shows xp, i hit enter, and windows starts to load, then it says something about autochk and shuts down
13:18<JordiGH>Uh-oh.
13:18*JordiGH hopes it's not filesystem corruption
13:18<Binary>O_O
13:18<Xaero2>apropos refresh
13:18<enouf>Binary: /msg dpkg rescue mode ..er .. better boot the Xp CD
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13:18<Xaero2>sorry
13:18<JordiGH>Binary: Did you do that more than once?
13:19<Binary>I tried logging into it a couple of times...
13:19<JordiGH>Binary: XP has to do a chkdsk the first time if you resized the NTFS partition...
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13:19<enouf>Binary: sounds like your Xp just needs to run chkdsk /f or /r .. should be no big deal if you boot a xp cd and run it
13:19<JordiGH>Binary: Okay, if you did it more than once, boot off an XP cd and fsck the NTFS partition.
13:19<Binary>Ok, I'll give it a go
13:20<Binary>thanks
13:20<Binary>Now I have to dig out the disk
13:20<JordiGH>Those things are like AOL coasters.
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13:20<freeman>Have anyone seen someone named ruuty around?
13:20<JordiGH>!seen ruuty
13:20<dpkg>i haven't seen 'ruuty', JordiGH
13:20<JordiGH>freeman: No.
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13:20<enouf>Binary: also ask windows channels about Recovery Console .. you need that to run chkdsk from booted cd, or grab ultimatebootcd.com or something
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13:21<Binary>Ok. thanks guys
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13:21<Xaero2>can someone tell me how to change refresh rate?
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13:22<freeman>http://ictned.com/funny/index.php
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13:23<Xaero2>YES!
13:23<Xaero2>it is done
13:23<Xaero2>debian is setup now I only need to learn to use it
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13:24<Xaero2>thanks guys, been great help, I'll be back with more questions :-P
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13:27<wekt>Ban freeman. Although same bot is under different names in different channels.
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13:29<stew>wekt: if you look, he was killed immediately after posting the url. if you see other people doing that in other channels that haven't yet been killed, notify #oftc
13:29<wekt>thanks.
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13:30<debianNooB21>hey all, is dash a shell program? if so, do any of you use it, or like it?
13:30<chariot91>how do I get korean input?
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13:31<JordiGH>debianNooB21: It's a shell, and you're asking a religious question.
13:32<debianNooB21>JordiGH: do you use it?
13:32<JordiGH>debhelper: I've had no reason to. I use bash, even on BSD.
13:33<newsense>debianNooB21 = NickMind_XPBOX ?
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13:34<debianNooB21>yes, one on my xp, and me on my linux box
13:34<newsense>debianNooB21, either you are asking the same exact question on freenode or its a strange coincidence that someone else is asking the same rare question
13:34<newsense>ahh i see thought so
13:34<Knorrie>!auto-read-only is When your raid array shows mdX : active(auto-read-only) and resync=PENDING, this means probably the resync was interrupted unexpectedly, try using `mdadm --readwrite /dev/mdX` to get it going again
13:34<dpkg>okay, Knorrie
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13:35<debianNooB21>i like both channels
13:35<newsense>yeah i troll both myself
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13:36<debianNooB21>are you newsense in the other channel
13:36<newsense>yeah
13:37<newsense>ive been using this nick on irc for over about ten years
13:37<debianNooB21>i have not got that good with bitchx to change over to freenode
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13:37<newsense>chick xchat go to server list choose freenode and connect
13:37<debianNooB21>I have been using Nick for 28 years now. haha
13:38<newsense>itll open another network tab
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13:38<debianNooB21>you use xchat
13:38<newsense>yeah
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13:39<debianNooB21>i will give it a try
13:39<newsense>oh sorry you said bitchx
13:40<debianNooB21>newsense: to tell you the truth I like this channel better then the one on freenode. Faster reply here, i think
13:40<newsense>this is the "official" channel too btw if ya didnt know
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13:41<debianNooB21>newsense: no, i didn't, thanks, that makes sense.
13:41<debianNooB21>newsense: do you not like bitchx?
13:41<Stuckey>Hello newsense
13:41<newsense>i used t use it for years, its ok i guess
13:41<newsense>hello
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13:42<stew>bitchx is not ok, its got tons of security problems
13:42<stew>which is why it was removed from debian
13:42<fxiny>bitchx ? wasn't f* buggy ?
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13:42<newsense>stew, i had no idea it was removed, havent used it in many years
13:42<stew>and I don't know about this being an official channel
13:43<newsense>the official network from what i read
13:43<debianNooB21>stew: what client do you use?
13:43<stew>newsense: yes, it barely made the etch release, but since etch, more security problems have been found, and nobody was fixing them, and it is abandoned upstream
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13:43<debianNooB21>i know that stew is on both channel
13:43<stew>!best irc client
13:43<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org , http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode
13:43<adama>I believe the debian website says that this is the official channel
13:43<aboudreault>s/irssi/erc
13:43<adama>irssi :)
13:43<fxiny>nice , official is in the same dictionary with mainstream
13:44<aboudreault>hi ppl, i was wondering....... is lenny still frozen?
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13:44<newsense>http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 < explains the official irc ork
13:44<newsense>s/ork/network
13:44<debianNooB21>stew: i think they are right, well the website points to this channel
13:44-!-dieg [~dieg@81.172.39.168.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
13:44<fxiny>i did run bitch x for a week . with a wrapper and jailed
13:45<Supaplex>irssi > *
13:45<stew>the website also points to freenode, and also points to channels which don't exist
13:45-!-orlandoxavier is now known as OrlandoXavier
13:45<debianNooB21>so irssi is the one to use?
13:45<aboudreault>Supaplex: * < ERC.
13:45<newsense>stew, ok fine you win, i give up
13:45-!-noah [~noah@cpe-24-28-83-36.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
13:45<aboudreault>;_
13:45<aboudreault>;)
13:46<adama>I think those of us trolling freenode and here are catching 90% of debian-related IRC traffic
13:46<stew>heh, and it points to bitchx
13:47<aboudreault>oh... it's OFTC here.....
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13:47<debianNooB21>stew: hahahahaha bitchx for life... The only reason i am using is because I searched for irc and bitchx was the funniest name.
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13:47<debianNooB21>remember noob here
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13:47<giovanni>ciao
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13:48<stew>!greycat on bitchx
13:48<dpkg>somebody said greycat on bitchx was <greycat> maddog: take a pimply 14-year-old script kiddie. Put him in a blender. Puree. Pour into a shallow tray, let it solidify, put it in the CD-ROM drive, mount it, and then compile it. You have BitchX. <greycat> maddog: when you've outgrown saying "D00d!" and "That's so gay!" then move up to irssi.
13:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 384] by debhelper
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13:52<adama>greycat++
13:53<debianNooB21>stew: are you deeply into debain
13:53<stew>debianNooB21: yes
13:54<newsense>stew=debian fanboy!
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13:54<debianNooB21>stew: that came off wrong, you work for the org? You always have great information about almost everything.
13:55-!-Patrick_ is now known as the-me
13:55*fxiny is orrified : readhat surpasses sun in market capitalization
13:55<stew>newsense: so i think i've moved up from fanboy status at this point :)
13:55<fxiny>horr*
13:56<newsense>stew, i was just kidding ya, you do always give me good information :)
13:56<stew>:)
13:56<debianNooB21>stew: I would say that
13:57<debianNooB21>newsense: do you use other destro's?
13:58<fxiny>he's better not !
13:58<fxiny>d*
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13:59<debianNooB21>my newyear resolutuion is to became the master at linux , so i am working in both debian and fedora.
13:59<newsense>debianNooB21, no only debian and have for years, my first computer ran redhat and the guy who got me into computers was a die hard debian guy so i eventually moved up
14:00<debianNooB21>And i have to say I like the packaging system in debian a bit more.
14:01<adama>debian > *
14:01<adama><-- debian fanboy :)
14:01<debianNooB21>what is that debian > * ?
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14:01<adama>debian is better than everything
14:01<newsense>haha
14:02<adama>or greater I guess
14:02<debianNooB21>adama: I thought
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14:04<jkellar>ciao a tutti
14:04<adama>debianNooB21: are you
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14:05<jkellar>new entry..
14:06<debianNooB21>adama: am i??
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14:07<adama>debianNooB21: sorry not sure what you were trying to say at 11:02
14:07<adama>(PST)
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14:07<daMull>I wouldn't say debian is better than anything .. just think about a cold beer on a hot day in summer ;-)
14:08<servidor>re buena
14:08<daMull>but that is OT here .. I suppose
14:08<adama>daMull: true... unfortunately it's minus 31 where I am, and my beer fridge is empty :(
14:08<debianNooB21>adama: sorry I was just saying I thought thats what debian > * meant
14:08<adama>ah ok
14:09<debianNooB21>debianNooB21 > *
14:09<debianNooB21>:)
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14:09<servidor>como cambio a spañol.. please
14:09<adama>!es
14:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:09<debianNooB21>but my wife thinks < *
14:10<debianNooB21>haha
14:10<adama>debianNooB21: swap her out for debian and a cold beer
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14:11<lukibmc>per formsttare come si con ubuntu
14:11<fxiny>swapping a wife with a distro ? there is no market for a debian box but a redhat
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14:11<stew>lukibmc: try #ubuntu-it on irc.freenode.net
14:12<Wizoo>Hi, would anyone know how to install just ssh-server. I am trying to install a very minimal system and it want's to install a number of X lib, X11-core, xauth, etc. I can see why you would need these but I'm not running X.
14:12<debianNooB21>adama: hahahahahahaha
14:12<adama>Wizoo: what package are you installing? openssh-server should not install any X stuff
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14:13<Wizoo>adama: openssh-server
14:13<ranix>Wizoo: if you want a very strictly minimal ssh, you should probably look at dropbear
14:13<mjt>openssh-server suggests xauth
14:13<mjt>and by default apt installs all suggested stuff
14:13<adama>ahh yeah
14:13<Wizoo>mjt: right ;-)
14:13<mjt>s/suggests/recommends/g
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14:14<Wizoo>ranix: I have not heard of beardrop - is that a fully ssh v2 server?
14:14<mjt>echo "APT::Install-Recommends false;" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf
14:14<adama>dropbear
14:14<mjt>but that isnt' recommended
14:14<adama>mjt: why not recommended?
14:15<mjt>(not dropbear not recommended, but adding install-recommends false :)
14:15<stew>Wizoo: try "aptitude -R install openssh-server"
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14:15<mjt>dropbear is fine ;)
14:15<adama>isn't that just changing the behaviour back to etch-style?
14:15<mjt>yes
14:15<Wizoo>It really just turns into a mess with the recommends and depends. I want one package and it's giving me 13.
14:15<Wizoo>mjt: I will check the file.
14:15<mjt>if you have one ;)
14:16<Wizoo>Is there a way within aptitude to enable/disable that on the fly?
14:16<stew>Wizoo: -R
14:16*mjt never used aptitude...
14:16<stew>Wizoo: or "--without-recommends" and "--with-recommends"
14:16<dvst>where the libapache-mod-ssl go? :s
14:17<Wizoo>ahh, ok. Let me try the apt-get.
14:17<stew>dvst: are you really intending to run apache 1.3 instead of apache 2.2?
14:17<Wizoo>with the command lines.
14:17<stew>Wizoo: why would you use apt-get?
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14:17<Wizoo>apt-get install openssh-server - to install the package no?
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14:18<dvst>stew, in a etch machine i got apache2 with libapache-mod-ssl
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14:18<stew>dvst: what are you trying ot do? run apache2 with ssl?
14:19<Stuckey>I'm running rTorrent 0.7.9 on Lenny; I'm getting the error message "rtorrent: Command fi.filename_last not available in this version of rTorrent." when I hit the right arrow button on a specific file within a torrent.
14:19<Wizoo>stew: is there another way?
14:19<stew>Wizoo: to install openssh-server without recommends?
14:19<dvst>stew, in another machine i got lenny but i cant find libapache-mod-ssl so it can work with apache2
14:19<dvst>stew, yes
14:19<stew>dvst: apache2 already includes ssl
14:19<Wizoo>stew: right.
14:19<stew>dvst: libapache-mod-ssl was for apache 1.3
14:19<adama>dvst: apache2 has ssl built in.
14:20<stew>Wizoo: aptitude install -R openssh-server
14:20<dvst>adama, stew i didn't know, thanks
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14:20<Wizoo>stew: Ok, let me play with this ( a number of ways to skin a cat apparently).
14:21<fxiny>Stuckey: i'm running 0.7.9 on etch and i have no such problem
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14:22<dnog>hola gente
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14:23<Wizoo>stew: that worked great. I suppose it work have worked the same with apt-get. I have never run aptitude from the command line like that. Learned something new.
14:24<Wizoo>fyi - is was the recommended of xauth that started it all - xauth required all the other x "stuff". What a mess.
14:24<mjt>it's in order to be able to forward your X display to the host you're ssh'ing to.
14:25<mjt>but yes, only about 2% of xauth (not related to x libs) is needed here :)
14:25<Wizoo>mjt: yep. Right!!! That was my frustration.
14:25<Wizoo>I just don't need it.
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14:26<mjt>just... relax and get use to the way life is going :)
14:26<mjt>used*
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14:27<Wizoo>ehhh, I'm an idealist. What can I say ;-)
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14:32<Hurley>Hi
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14:32<Poneg>äðàñüòå
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14:32<Hurley>Hello
14:33<adama>!hello
14:33<dpkg>Hi, adama!
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14:33<adama>hmm
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14:33<Poneg>ïîäñêàæèòå ïæàëñò êòî-íèáóäü êàêîé èç ýòèõ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ îáðàçîâ ñòîèò ñêà÷àòü äëÿ áàçîâîé óñòàíîâêè
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14:33<stew>!russian
14:33<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
14:33<stew>Poneg: english only in here please
14:33<Poneg>:/
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14:34<petern>utf8 too :p
14:35-!-brian [~ubuntu@pool-71-180-125-219.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
14:35<brian>hey all
14:36<brian>wich ubuntu should i use?
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14:37<craigevil-eee>ask that in #ubuntu
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14:38<adama>brian: none. use debian :P
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14:38<Poneg>what of this ISO need for simple debian's installation? ) I need help
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14:39<stew>Poneg: either cd1 or a netinst
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14:41<Poneg>"debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso" or "debian-40r6-i386-kde-CD-1.iso"?
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14:42<Poneg>"debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso" does not contain KDE?
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14:43<chealer>Poneg: it doesn't. if you prefer KDE to GNOME, get the latter.
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14:53<giovanni>!list
14:53<dpkg>one warez list being sent to giovanni
14:53<giovanni>ciao
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14:54<giovanni>!list
14:54<dpkg>one warez list being sent to giovanni
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14:54<stew>giovanni: is there something we can help you with?
14:54*JordiGH wonders if Russian speakers will ever be convinced to use UTF-8 instead of KOI-8.
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14:54<stew>i wonder why its always italians that do !list
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14:55<daMull>stew: perhaps some common italian irc bots ?
14:55<JordiGH>Perhaps Italy is home Il Warezino?
14:55<stew>where is morph_
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14:57<daMull>why does my samba on lenny tell me on every boot "No network interfaces found" but if I do a /etc/init.d/samba restart a few second later it works ..
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14:58<daMull>also if I do a init 1 boot first and then switch manually to runlevel 2, no problem ..
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14:59<daMull>i've raised this issue some days ago and someone was suggesting it's an udev problem ..
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15:01<daMull>(and it's no error in the samba config .. )
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15:04<digital>whats unablt to mount invaliad mount option mean ?
15:04<digital>unable*
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15:05<stew>led_linux: you specified an option that was not valid for the filesystem type you are mounting
15:05<stew>led_linux: what command did you run?
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15:05<led_linux>none I just started it the external drive
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15:11<Lenhix>daMull: could be the samba service being started before the networking service?
15:11<daMull>Lenhix: S99samba ? shouldn't be ..
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15:12<daMull>Lenhix:I have already moved it as far back as I could
15:12<petern>if you're using dhcp, could that affect it?
15:13<daMull>AFAIK not if I bind to an interface
15:13<daMull>I bind only to eth0 and lo, not to an specific IP adress
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15:17<daMull>I've just added eth0 to the interfaces that are automatically brought up in /etc/network/interfaces
15:18<daMull>until now, it had only the "allow-hotplug" option, which should also be sufficient, but who knows
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15:22<newsense>daMull, and iface eth0 inet (manual|dhcp)
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15:24<Hurley>running debian lenny in debug modus? because the lenny kernel give more output information than etch kernel and my application is slow under lenny. Process manager on lenny/gnome make on listing 40% use of processor but under etch only 3 %
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15:26<daMull>newsense: that's what I've just done .. but allow-hotplug should also do the job, with all the fancy new network manager and dbus dhcpd stuff, shouldn't it?
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15:28<newsense>daMull, yes
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15:30<nothing555>quick question. so what happens if you run a win32 app under wine that has been infected with a trojan? will that trojan have any effect on the *nix system?
15:30<newsense>nothing555, no
15:31<newsense>nothing555, some might but from what ive read most windows viruses or trojans dont work on wine anywys
15:31<newsense>theres an article on it somewhere
15:31<Gathond>newsense: last I remember reading was that wine ran windows malware just fine
15:31<nothing555>cool
15:31<Gathond>nothing555: and define effect
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15:31<JordiGH>newsense: TODO: improve virus compatibility
15:32<Gathond>nothing555: it will be unable to actually infect the unix system
15:32<nothing555>dunno. just thinking aloud
15:32<Gathond>nothing555: it will probably still be able to infect any other windows program running in wine
15:32<newsense>Gathond, i just read up on it a few days ago and there were several different windows viruses and trojans installed in wine but most failed to actually install completely
15:32<Gathond>and keylog the wine programs etc
15:32<Lenhix>I think it'd "infect wine" (if that's somehow possible), not the *nix system
15:32<dondelelcaro>nothing555: depends on what it is; it could attack anything that you have write permissions for
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15:34<nothing555>what's the command for creating a new group
15:34<newsense>dondelelcaro, could ya change all the files in the .wine dir to read only to prevent that or are some of those files modified when running win ?
15:34<JordiGH>addgroup? I have to check.
15:34<nothing555>no. that adds a user to a group
15:34<Lenhix>addgroup, yep
15:35<dondelelcaro>nothing555: it's addgroup.
15:35*JordiGH often just edits /etc/group manually
15:35<nothing555>hmm. ok
15:35<nothing555>better read the man again
15:35<nothing555>thx
15:35<Lenhix>add user to a group is addgroup <user> <group>
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15:36*Lenhix usually appends --help to the commands
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15:36<mjk_>Hm, I use "adduser <user> <group>"
15:36<JordiGH>Lenhix: It's maddening when that doesn't work, usually with BSD commands. It's a GNU thing. :-/
15:37<JordiGH>Lenhix: BSD's ls annoys me. You have to check the manpage, because its -h is completely useless.
15:37<mjk_>Lenhix: Your addgroup example seems to be wrong, according to the manpage.
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15:38<nothing555>addgroup <group> creates a new group
15:38<nothing555>addgroup <user> <group> adds user to group
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15:38<Lenhix>Yeah, it is
15:38<Lenhix>it's adduser instead of addgroup
15:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 391] by debhelper
15:39<mjk_>nothing555: I'm sorry, but "addgroup <user> <group>" does not look like valid syntax, according to the manpage. Or am I wrong?
15:39<zamolxes>hey. I need to know on what CD (from the official isos) can I find certain packages. How can I do this?
15:39<mjk_>'kay =)
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15:39<nothing555>why aren't you using apt?
15:39<zamolxes>me?
15:39<nothing555>yeah
15:40<Lenhix>Perhaps he doesn't have network access on the computer he is trying to install packages in
15:40<JordiGH>zamolxes: Ah, we had a factoid for that...
15:40<zamolxes>right, i'm using a ip-kvm
15:40<JordiGH>!cd-contents
15:40<JordiGH>!cdcontents
15:40<mjk_>zamolxes: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php
15:40<zamolxes>i'll prod dpkg with listkeys
15:41<zamolxes>thank you
15:41<mjk_>Ah, it's !cd contents =)
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15:43<zamolxes>great, works :)
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15:44<Chipzz>does mj ray hang out around here?
15:44<path>is there a way to disable fcsk on the boot process?
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15:45<adama>path: yes
15:45<Lenhix>What do you mean? to set it to not automatically check every N mounts or X days?
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15:45<adama>path: man tune2fs
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15:46<Lenhix>tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 <device>
15:46<JordiGH>adama: Can you disable fsck that way? I thought you could only postpone fsck forever?
15:46<Lenhix>But I wouldn't recommend disabling fsck on boot. Perhaps setting it not too often
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15:47<path>thanks adama && Lenhix
15:47<adama>path: if you just want to disable it once, you can use shutdown -f
15:47<mjk_>adama: You could also set the sixth field of your file system in /etc/fstab to "0".
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15:47<JordiGH>adama: It would be nice if it were possible ti disable it during boot, just C-c it.
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15:48<adama>mjk_: I did not know that
15:48<mjk_>adama: man fstab
15:48<path>JordiGH, I did it but the fs mounts as read-only
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15:48<JordiGH>path: I didn't suggest anything to you.
15:49<mjk_>adama: The file /etc/fstab lists all your file systems you want to be mounted, including the root file system ("/").
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15:49<mjk_>adama: The last column tells fsck how or if it should fsck that file system.
15:49<adama>mjk_: I see that
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16:02<Stuckey>Has anyone here used the move torrent function in rTorrent? I'm trying to configure it but not having much luck...
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16:08<atrox>hey, ich hab seit heute ein soundproblem, habs gemerkt als nach nem kernelupgrade auf 2.6.28 sidux64 auf einmal die pcspeaker aktiv waren.... http://rafb.net/p/KYGpWw49.html http://rafb.net/p/i3F9NA86.html http://rafb.net/p/1JL2Da17.html, hat jemand ne idee? ich will musik -.-
16:08<JordiGH>!de
16:08<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
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16:08<atrox>sry
16:09<atrox>wrong chat ^^
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16:43<leaveone_>hello all, i just hooked up a 24" LCD monitor via DVI but my screen shows nothing.. can anyone help me reconfigure my
16:43<leaveone_>X t use both monitors
16:43<leaveone_>?
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16:47<debianNooB21>leaveone_ : the sited help me with my invida http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/applications/dual-monitors-nvidia-debian.jspx
16:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 385] by debhelper
16:49<leaveone_>debianNooB21, thanks i am looking at it now
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16:55<debianNooB21>leaveone_ : also I remember something configure xrandr or randr something like that. I am sure someone here will have more info
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17:05<aetheria>how to turn on logging for an init script to debug it (i.e. that is started by start-stop-daemon)?
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17:43<bobbybutt>is debian a binary distro
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17:43<amphi>yes; source packages are also available
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17:47<Woet>if I make changes/add things to /etc/passwd, will the users really be added?
17:48<Woet>okay, seems not
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17:53<bobbybutt>is Ubuntu open source or binary distro? Because Ubuntu is almost same as Debian.
17:54<valdyn>bobbybutt: you are confused about terminology
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17:55<valdyn>bobbybutt: both are opensource, both are binary distros
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17:59<xXChippoXx>hi
17:59<kop>Well, that was a sucky problem. The cisco vpn client module was apparently installed (it seems that it won't uninstall) the last time I updated the kernel, so it seems it wound up installed in the initrd. That caused all sorts of problems. At least I think that's what happened.
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18:07<chealer>kop: you mean you use the cisco vpn client?
18:07<chealer>!pal kop
18:07*dpkg points at kop and laughs hysterically
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18:16<parodyoflanguage>Hello. Is there a package I need to install to automatically mount a flashdrive?
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18:18<jeflui>parodyoflanguage, usbmount
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18:20<nadie>hi! I'm an amd64 sid user with 4 gb ram. I was wondering if I could rid of the swap partition. sugestions??
18:20<stew>nadie: you can. it is not recommended
18:20<parodyoflanguage>jeflui, thank you.
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18:22<nadie>stew: ok. i've commentd swap partition in fstab, commentes in /etc/initrdtools/conf.d/resume but i still get a message on boot: "mounting swap swapfie....done" (or something like that, i can't remember exactly) althoug in /proc/meminfo swap doesn't exist
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18:23<nadie>am i doing something wrong?
18:23<valdyn>nadie: "grep swap /etc/fstab"
18:24<nadie>valdyn;i've deleted swap entry in fstab
18:24<stew>nadie: note that changes in /etc/initramfs-tools/ wont take effect until you rebuild the initrd
18:24<stew>nadie: why don't you want swap?
18:25<nadie>stew: i've rebuilt it after comment the resume line
18:25<parodyoflanguage>jeflui, do you know where I can find the manual for usbmount? It's not picking up my flashdrive and man usbmount turns up an error.
18:25<valdyn>nadie: then you only need to rebuild the initrd, "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" does that
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18:26<nadie>valdyn: i compile my own kernels. i use mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd...........
18:26<bobbybutt>is there a backdoor in ubuntu=
18:26<stew>bobbybutt: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for ubuntu questions
18:27<nadie>stew: i see system never uses it, so i think it's unnecesary
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18:28<valdyn>nadie: is swap actually off after you booted up?
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18:29<nadie>my problem is boot remains the message "activating swap swapfile...done" or something like that and i'm affraid it uses an archive as it cannot find any partition dedicated to swap
18:29<valdyn>nadie: an archive?
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18:29<valdyn>nadie: why?
18:29<nadie>valdyn: no, swap is deactivated
18:29<stew>mountall.sh: log_action_begin_msg "Activating swapfile swap"
18:30<nadie>the message says "swaparchive"
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18:30<valdyn>nadie: theres nothing wrong
18:30<valdyn>nadie: except that that message is annoying you
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18:31<valdyn>nadie: i would think it reasonable if you filed a bug report that such a message is confusing
18:31<nadie>so is it recommended to deactivate swap with 4 gb of ram (i mean enought ram for not to be necesary)
18:31<valdyn>nadie: but everything else is quite useless
18:32<valdyn>nadie: depends on your workload
18:32<valdyn>nadie: i only swapon for fsck.xfs
18:32<nadie>valdyn: i use conky and i've never seen my system swapping
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18:32<stew>nadie: having swap can improve performance even if you already have tons of memory. a swap partition can also be used for hibernate
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18:33<valdyn>nadie: weird, it should swap a few k
18:33<valdyn>nadie: not like that matters
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18:33<Woet>How to completely remove a mysql server?
18:33<Woet>I purged the packages, removed /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql
18:33<Woet>what am I missing?
18:33<nadie>so u think it's better to have a swap partition?
18:34<Gathond>nadie: diskspace is cheap, so yeah
18:34<nadie>i don't really care about 2 or 3 gb
18:35<Gathond>as long as you don't use hibernate and you are sure the working set never gets above the ram ammount or if you reboot often you can probably get along just fine without it
18:35<valdyn>nadie: swap can make problems, not having swap can make problems
18:35<maxb>Woet: erm, that's probably everything
18:35<valdyn>nadie: its up to you and its probably a decision that makes no noticable difference for you
18:35<nadie>valdyn: :)
18:36<Woet>maxb: it fails to install though
18:36<Woet>let me pastebin
18:36<maxb>Woet: Always give the exact errors you see when looking for help with them :-)
18:36<Woet>/var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory
18:36<maxb>hm
18:36<maxb>lenny?
18:36<valdyn>nadie: swap makes your system die slower if memory gets exhausted
18:37<nadie>i think i'll keep swap partition. thanx everyone
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18:37<Woet>i might already have found it
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18:39<valdyn>"rsync -av --progress /mnt/media/ /mnt/test/" is causing some insane i/o congestion,i wonder if this is xfs or ext4 or a more general bug
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18:48<aetheria>valdyn: a few days ago it took me 24+ hours to rsync ~130GB from one external drive to another
18:48<aetheria>both drives were ext3
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18:49<valdyn>aetheria: im not sure about speed, but its making the entire system unusuable
18:49<aetheria>valdyn: i was getting about 950 kb/s
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18:53<slug>hey all
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18:53<slug>can anyone recomed an actiive chatty server/
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18:55<valdyn>aetheria: different issue i think
18:55<valdyn>aetheria: bad fragmentation maybe
18:56<aetheria>valdyn: really? i didn't know ext3 could get fragmented. is there a defrag tool?
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18:56<valdyn>aetheria: downloading large files via something like rtorrent without preallocating will cause very bad fragmentation
18:56<flash_gordon>I experience strange networking problems, The NIC is going up well and recieves an IP adress through DHCP. But I can't ping any other hosts, the ping output is sendmsg: Operation not permitted. I checked the iptables and they accept anything. Any suggestions?
18:57<valdyn>aetheria: thats a myth, its easy to fragment ext3, but ext3 will just better avoid fragmentation in many workloads, but not in all
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18:58<slug>so how do u defrag ?
18:58<streuner>defrag, wtf is that?
18:58<streuner>:-P
18:58<valdyn>slug: that part where that myth is good is where it makes people defrag less
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18:59<slug>well if i havve a larg ext3 file system - do i need to defag it ?
18:59<streuner>no
18:59<valdyn>slug: probably not
18:59<valdyn>slug: depends on your workload
19:00<slug>why - if it gets fragmennted/
19:00<aetheria>valdyn: i doubt its that fragmented though. they are mostly backup drives that contain rsync mirrors, movies, music, etc.
19:00<slug>a fileserver for istace
19:00<valdyn>aetheria: yea, that load probably would not cause fragmentation
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19:01<valdyn>slug: if multiple huge files get written to it concurrently then it should fragment relatively fast
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19:01<valdyn>slug: but if it is a fileserver then you probably cant take it offline for defrag
19:02<slug>what if its a mix of all sizes ... I want to know more about this
19:02<slug>can on a sunday :0
19:02<slug>:)
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19:02<valdyn>slug: im the wrong person to ask, i see just what happens on my systems, i dont do much about it nor do i know internals of ext3
19:03<valdyn>slug: but.. say you have a 4G sized file that is fragmented into 10 parts, why would anyone care?
19:03<slug>well first i head ext3 dnt get frgmented - then i heard ubuntu 'auto defrags'
19:04<slug>heard *
19:04<valdyn>slug: maybe if its split into 10000 or 1000000 parts, then it might affect performance
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19:04<slug>what if its a database consisting of over 500GB
19:04<slug>with bits everywhere
19:05<valdyn>slug: why would fragmentation matter then?
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19:06<slug>because that database is called upon by various users througout the day...
19:06<valdyn>slug: it already has to seek without fragmentation
19:06<valdyn>slug: its not given that fragmentation would change anything
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19:07<slug>valdynsuurley a defragmennted syystems would ruun better tho
19:07<slug>how do u get the name : easly ??
19:08<valdyn>slug: noticable better sometimes or rarely, its not often the case that defrag is more than a waste of time
19:08<slug>i struggle to beleve that tho
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19:10<slug>valdyn elp me out with this xchat thing how do I keep your name (valdyn: in chat?
19:10<slug>h
19:10<valdyn>slug: say you have to read 10000 small files, each of those files fragmented into 2 pieces. That would double seek times, that would be really bad
19:10<valdyn>slug: but this should *also* be what ext3 avoids perfectly fine
19:10<slug>how
19:11<slug>how can it without defragmenting the drive / fle tale
19:11<slug>file table
19:11<slug>my keyboard suck please excuse missed keys
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19:12<slug>+
19:12<path>http://debian.pastebin.com/m16f2a9e
19:12<path>is there anything wrong there?
19:12<path>Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3check syslog for diagnostics. failed!
19:12<path>its driving me crazy
19:13<path>furthermore if I do tail -f /var/log/syslog I got no log at all
19:13<valdyn>slug: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/filesystems.html, section 5.10.11.
19:13<slug>vjt,
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19:14<slug>is there a easy way to do what you do -- IE start each comment with slug:
19:14<valdyn>path: paste the output of "df" on a paste site
19:15<valdyn>slug: s<tab>
19:15<slug>valdyn, cheers
19:15<path>valdyn, http://debian.pastebin.com/m1b505eed
19:15<valdyn>path: "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" works ok?
19:16<valdyn>path: the file /var/log/syslog is empty / does not exist ?
19:16<path>not really, it says /dev/xconsole: no such file or directory valdyn
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19:16<path>though there are logs on /var/log/syslog
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19:17<valdyn>path: what did you do to fuck up /dev ?
19:17<path>nothing, its a clear installation
19:18<slug>valdyn, what client do you use for this chat thing /
19:18<Lenhix>What did you do after taking out the debian installation CD and waiting for the system to boot again?
19:18<valdyn>slug: irssi
19:19<slug>thanks
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19:20<valdyn>path: reboot once and come back and check if /dev/xconsole is there
19:21<path>fixed it
19:21<path>thanks guys
19:22<Lenhix>Uhm.. how? seems like you didn't have to reboot
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19:24<path>yup :)
19:24<path>I saw the error on the log
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19:56<Dracie>whoa....
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20:04<asteroid>so nfs is insecure
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20:10<nothing555>nelly
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20:23<asteroid>merely opening the ports for the nfsd, sunrpc and some other ports already got conflicting messages
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20:30<linuxman410>anyone here using virtualbox=ose to run debian
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21:02<slackerksg5>Sorry I got a newbie question. If I replace hardware on my system, would I have to reinstall in order to utilize that hardware?
21:02<nothing555>what kind of hardware?
21:03<slackerksg5>Core 2 Duo Quad
21:03<slackerksg5>and 8 gigs of ram
21:03<nothing555>..
21:03<nothing555>what did you replace
21:03<slackerksg5>from amd 3800 fx2
21:03<slackerksg5>and 2 gigs of sdram 400 =/
21:03<slackerksg5>the other ram is ddr2 800
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21:04<nothing555>so you add ram?
21:04<slackerksg5>ya
21:04<nothing555>what did you change in your system? just the ram?
21:04<slackerksg5>Differnt m otherboard as well
21:04<Lenhix>Uhm...
21:04<slackerksg5>No the processor, The Motherboard, and the Ram
21:04<nothing555>oh...
21:04<nothing555>^-^
21:05<slackerksg5>It's not a big deal either way I was just asking. I got my /home set to a different partition as well as the rest of my files
21:05<Lenhix>Probably not, unless the video chipset or network card is rare
21:05<slackerksg5>so I can easily just reinstall
21:05<slackerksg5>Would you recommend it?
21:05<abrotman>slackerksg5: no you shouldn't have to
21:05<craigevil>at the very least will want to install the -bigmem kernel so you can use all that ram
21:05<abrotman>or he could install the -amd64 kernel
21:06<slackerksg5>I am switching from Amd to Intel quad core though so I wouldn't want the amd64
21:06<craigevil>or the 64bit kernel yes
21:06<slackerksg5>Ya I should use the 64 bit kernel I am assuming especially with all that ram
21:07<slackerksg5>I guess I will reinstall than with the other kernels
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21:07<slackerksg5>That shouldn't effect my other partitions though would it?
21:07<abrotman>why would you reinstall ?
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21:07<slackerksg5>In all honesty I am not sure on how I can switch out the kernel
21:07<slackerksg5>Any good documentation on that?
21:08<abrotman>you just install the package
21:08<abrotman>just get your system booting first .. then come back
21:08<slackerksg5>Thanks
21:08<slackerksg5>Will do
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21:10<Lenhix>Isn't the amd64 kernel the one for 64bit processors?
21:10<Lenhix>Well... x86 64bit
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21:11<abrotman>Lenhix: and what?
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21:12<Lenhix>So he would have to install the amd64 kernel anyway, wont he?
21:12<abrotman>he doesn't have to
21:13<Lenhix>Uhm... and how can he seize the 64bit architecture?
21:14<Lenhix>("seize"?)
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21:14<nothing555>/usr/local/bin appears in my path but when i try to run a command i get bash: /usr/bin/program: No such file or directory
21:15<xjam>nothing555: that means it's finding /usr/bin/program before it gets to /usr/local/bin
21:16<xjam>you will find that /usr/bin is before /usr/local/bin in your path, and I bet you will find that /usr/bin/program is a broken symlink pointing to something that has moved or been removed.
21:16<nothing555>output of echo $PATH is '$ echo $PATH
21:16<nothing555>/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
21:16<nothing555>/usr/bin/program does not exist at all
21:17<Lenhix>Something got messed up :S
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21:18<nothing555>fresh install
21:18<nothing555>haven't done anything
21:18<xjam>nothing555: type: type program
21:19<abrotman>nothing555: what program is this?
21:19<xjam>and try doing a: hash -r
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21:19<nothing555>polipo
21:19<nothing555>polipo is /usr/local/bin/polipo
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21:20<xjam>nothing555: can you please do ls -l /usr/local/bin/polipo
21:20<nothing555>nm. i just created a link
21:20<xjam>and also, is the error saying: "/usr/bin/polipo: No such file or directory" or something else?
21:21<nothing555>um, i don't have scrollback that far
21:21<nothing555>sry
21:21<nothing555>the problem is fixed though.
21:21<nothing555>not really but it works
21:22<xjam>careful, if you're not sure what you did you may get unexpected results later.
21:23<nothing555>i just created a symbolic link in /usr/bin to the executable in /usr/local/bin
21:23<xjam>but why was it looking in /usr/bin
21:23<xjam>?
21:24<xjam>something else is messed up
21:24<nothing555>yes. it is
21:24<xjam>it would pay you to find out what and to fix it.
21:24<nothing555>indeed
21:24<nothing555>where should i start
21:24<xjam>so I'd remove the symlink and use that to help you find the problem.
21:24<xjam>first
21:24<xjam>then do things like: type polipo
21:25<xjam>which should tell you where it gets it from
21:25<xjam>definitely do a hash -r to clear your hash table (if you don't know what that is I can explain)
21:25<nothing555>polipo is hashed (/usr/bin/polipo)
21:26<xjam>that's because you have just run it from the symlink
21:26<xjam>now if you do a hash -r then do the type polipo again what does it say?
21:26<nothing555>polipo is /usr/local/bin/polipo
21:26<xjam>you may have just fixed your problem :)
21:26<xjam>it was hashed to /usr/bin/polipo - and that file was then removed.
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21:27<nothing555>it did fix the problem
21:27<xjam>the hashed file location will give that same error message I believe.
21:27<xjam>:)
21:27<nothing555>yay
21:27<nothing555>:)
21:27<xjam>well done you
21:27<xjam>\o/
21:29<xjam>did you start out with the file in /usr/bin and move it to /usr/local/bin yourself?
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21:39<nothing555>no. it compiled/installed that way. i was building from source
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21:41<craigevil>polipo is in the debian repos why compile it
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21:41<Hurley>Hi
21:41<Lenhix>abrotman, so.. how could I unleash the power of my 64bit processor without using the -amd64 kernel? Which installation CD should I use?
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21:41<nothing555>craigevil: the version in the repo does not allow for forwarding through tor
21:41<Hurley>is this normal under debian? I dist-upgrade from etch to lenny, but now have someone gnome system tools a segment fault!
21:42<craigevil>nothing555: what debian release?
21:42<nothing555>etch
21:42<craigevil>Lenhix: why not install the amd64 kernel?
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21:43<Lenhix>I thought that as my first option, but abrotman said it was not the only one
21:43<Lenhix>Or.. at least I understood that
21:43<abrotman>aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64
21:44<craigevil>nothing555: did you try the version in backports
21:44<nothing555>nope
21:45<craigevil>backports has the same version as the polipo website 1.0.4
21:47<nothing555>oh well
21:47<nothing555>too late now
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23:00<jidm>hi. is there a log file that shows me the entire boot sequence? /var/logs/messages seems to be not complete
23:02<abrotman>!bootlog
23:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg)
23:03<jidm>thank you for the type, abortman
23:03<abrotman>tip
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23:04<jidm>thank you for the tip you typed :)
23:04<jidm>(i know, my english sucks)
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23:31<jidm>trying to make work splashy on grub2 (grub-pc). I have to put the word "splash" into the config, but i do know where excactly.
23:31<jidm>there is documentation for grub, but not for grub2
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