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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-01-25

---Logopened Sun Jan 25 00:00:11 2009
---Daychanged Sun Jan 25 2009
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00:17<StatusQuote>lol.. i asked dpkg about !hashing
00:18<StatusQuote>!hashing
00:18<StatusQuote>hmm
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00:18<StatusQuote>well, it told me "are you smoking crack?, StatusQuote"
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00:19<philsf> /msg dpkg lenny status
00:20<StatusQuote>philsf: is that something you wanted me to do?
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00:26<StatusQuote>i'm trying to figure out how to use dpkg's babelfish command.. it seems to give no response in private
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00:53<mike_>hey dowloaded compiz how do i make it work XD
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01:38<mike_>hey can someone help me install a game i like>? i get errors and i will paste bin them if someone wants
01:43<mike_>anyone i need help installing wolfenstine enemy teritory
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02:42<j>dose anyone know how to convert 32 bit rpms into 64bit rpms inside a debian based system
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03:12<paveq>can I use debootstrap on etch system to install lenny?
03:12<paveq>or do I need newer debootstrap version...
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03:25<paveq>apparently not, lenny script just points to sid script, which surely is outdated
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03:26<paveq>since debootstrap seems to be only a shell script, force-installing lenny package of it should work..
03:27<duraperidol>:-)
03:27<duraperidol>debootstrap is really nice
03:27<duraperidol>speaking of,
03:27<duraperidol>building jails, installing debian remotely.. even live-helper
03:27<duraperidol>all debootstrap-powered :-)
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03:45<paveq>damn, it wants to issue "mount" in chroot, which my grsec restrictions deny
03:45<paveq>I guess I will have to come up with another way, perhaps install debian manually into test box and copy files over
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03:49<jim_p>hello people
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04:09<jim_p>hmmmm
04:10<jim_p>can i use adobes .deb for flash 10 on my local repo or is it not advisable?
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04:36<Guest2157>hi#
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04:47<Guest2157>hii
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04:52<spice_1>buon giorno a tutti
04:52<spice_1>scusate ho bisogno di un aiuto
04:53<spice_1>vorrei installare debian su una pendrive vorrei sapere dv posso scaricare il pacchetto debian adatto e come installarlo
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04:57<jim_p>spice_1, can you please translate it in english beacuse my italian are not that good
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04:58<spice_1>i hope to install debian in my usb pen. how install debian in usb pen?
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04:58<spice_1>to windows vista
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04:59<spice_1>and where i find the usb debian package?
04:59<jim_p>spice_1, have a look at pendrivelinux.com, it has tons of instructions
05:00<spice_1>Økæ¥ thanks for help
05:00<jim_p>spice_1, the usb package is usually an extracted iso with some modifications
05:00<spice_1>Økæ¥ ^^
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05:30<Woet>There is some process on my server that causes the load to jump up (higher then 40), and block SSH. The only fix is a reboot.
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05:30<Woet>How can I prevent this, or identify the process causing it?
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05:31<padski>Woet, how are you seeing the load at 40 ?
05:32<Woet>padski: once I got in (once), I managed to type uptimee
05:32<Woet>then SSH timed out again
05:33<Woet>isn't it possible to somehow give SSH priority over anything else?
05:33<Woet>keeping it online and responsive at all times?
05:33<padski>Woet, yes
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05:33<Woet>padski: how?
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05:34<padski>Woet, I'm no expert, but memlockd might be one of the tools you are looking for.
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05:35<padski>Woet, I reckon there's a way to nice it higher too ...
05:35<Woet>ty
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06:12<mawerik90>Ciao a tutti, di #debian!
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06:13<Lokke>where is the german support chan?
06:13<padski>!de
06:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
06:13<padski>!it
06:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:14<Lokke>thx
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06:14<Lokke> Kann #debian.de nicht betreten (Du bist gebannt).
06:14<Lokke>why?
06:14<Lokke>i'm banned!?
06:15<Lokke>hello?
06:16<padski>Lokke, no idea, sorry
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06:34<mykhi>hi, im having problem with crontab. everytime i try to run X app it says that it cant open display. anyideas? seems popular on google, but cant find working solution
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06:39<@weasel>running X applications from out of cron won't work very well
06:39<@weasel>you need to set a display, and you need to use the proper xauthority file (one that has the magic cookie for the current x session)
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06:40<mykhi>oh
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06:40<mykhi>so any other way to start x app other then crontab?
06:41<Nemoder>maybe gnome-schedule or kcron?
06:42<fxiny>mykhi: run a script from cron , edit this script like this : DISPLAY=:0 yourapp
06:43<fxiny>something like : DISPLAY=:0 firefox file.html
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06:44<mykhi>gnome-scheudule wont open x apps aswell, checking now your option fxiny
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06:44<fxiny>mykhi: if you have problems end the script (last line) with : sleep 1
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06:46<fxiny>i have tons of cron scripts "harvesting" and pushing pages in iceweasel tabs this way
06:46<mykhi>damn
06:46<mykhi>No protocol specified
06:46<mykhi>Error: cannot open display: :0
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06:47<fxiny>mykhi: can't be : DISPLAY=:0 firefox /path/to/file && ; sleep 1
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06:49<fxiny>mykhi: that goes in a script , you call the script from cron
06:49<mykhi>yea i know, trying it atm
06:49<newbie>hi ,any suggestions how to check alive hosts in a subnet ?
06:50<mykhi>i got syntax error
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06:50<fxiny>same for osd_cat display scripts , i check my mail this way
06:50<mykhi>" && ;" ; P
06:51<mykhi>/home/mykhi/skrypcik: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
06:51<mykhi>/home/mykhi/skrypcik: line 1: `DISPLAY=:0 firefox && ; sleep 1'
06:51<mykhi>cant stand together is seems
06:51<fxiny>mykhi: /path/to/file && nect line > sleep 1 i need sleep 1
06:51<mykhi>right!
06:52<spande>newbie : fping ?
06:52<fxiny>f or h ?
06:53<mykhi>same error, cant open display ;<
06:53<mykhi>and no protocol defined
06:54<spande>mykhi : need a ; after 0
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06:55<mykhi>spande, what do you mean?
06:56<spande>DISPLAY=:0 is a statement. firefox is another one.
06:56<mykhi>'DISPLAY=:0; firefox &&' ?
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06:57<fxiny>the only thing is sleep 1 , give iceweasel the file path
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06:57<fxiny>mykhi: no : DISPLAY=:0 firefox /path/to/file &&
06:57<spande>but I am wrong - not needed. Dunno why.
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06:58<mykhi>keep having Error: cannot open display: :0
06:58<mykhi>maybe problem lies somewhere else
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06:59<spande>mykhi : you are running this from cron, right?
06:59<mykhi>yea
06:59<mykhi>* * * * * mykhi /home/mykhi/skrypcik
07:00<mykhi>anf file skrypcik is:
07:00<mykhi>DISPLAY=:0.0 firefox http://mykhi.org &&
07:00<mykhi>sleep 1;
07:00<spande>then it is an environment problem.
07:00<fxiny>mykhi: no , dump all in a test.sh chmod 700 file , and run that test.sh script from cron
07:00<spande>cron doesn;
07:01<fxiny>so cron run test.sh and voila'
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07:01<spande>doesn't know which display it should show up on if available.
07:01<mykhi>i dont see the connection since crontab is running script anyway
07:01<fxiny>is it root cron ?
07:01<fxiny>root can go to hell
07:01<fxiny>:)
07:01<mykhi>well its /etc/crontab
07:02<fxiny>crontab
07:02<fxiny>crontab -e
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07:03<spande>you have the same problem with an xterm. an't remember how I solved that.
07:04<fxiny>i don't have any problem : six cron entries all displayn almost anything i need in iceweasel or osd_cat
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07:04<fxiny>i love osd_cat
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07:04<newbie>thanks spande fxiny ...fping was exactly that i needed ..
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07:05<spande>in same crontab?
07:06<mykhi>puting it in 'crontab -e' doesnt change a thing ;<
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07:07<fxiny>mykhi: did you give crontab the full script path ?
07:07<mykhi>no but it is trying to run app anyway, firefox just gives me error that it cannot open display
07:07<@weasel>Sun 12:39:41 <weasel> you need to set a display, and you need to use the proper xauthority file (one that has the magic cookie for the current x session)
07:07*spande installs osd_cat to tryu it out.
07:08<spande>uh... no debian package in etch
07:08<fxiny>spande: see debian-administration.org for osd_cat tips , i've picked ideas from there
07:08<mykhi>i think weasel may be right although i have no idea what does he mean >>
07:08<@weasel>mykhi: etch or lenny?
07:09<@weasel>mykhi: how do you get into X? using gdm?
07:09<mykhi>newer one
07:09<mykhi>yes, gdm
07:09<spande>I think debian-administratian.org also has stuff on magic cookies in xsessions.
07:09<@weasel>env | grep -i xauth
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07:09<mykhi>XAUTHORITY=/tmp/.gdmPFT8LU
07:10<@weasel>that's what your script needs.
07:10<@weasel>it changes every time you log in.
07:10<valdyn>spande: package is xosd-bin
07:11<mykhi>o0
07:14<mykhi>hint?
07:14<spande>valdyn - thanks, found it.
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07:16<valdyn>i havent tried aosd-cat
07:17<valdyn>probably a nicer fonts
07:17<fxiny>valdyn: fonts ? terminus . i have a bunch of perl use Net::POP3; displaying subject lines ...
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07:18<fxiny>the only problem is debian-changes sometimes flooding my screen :)
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07:18<fxiny>but that's funny :)
07:19<fxiny>osd_cat --font='-xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-240-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15'
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08:28<rm>hallo, jemand hier der deutsch spricht?
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08:57<jeremiah>I am installing debian using a flash drive, or hope to anyway. . .
08:58<jeremiah>what is a good way to ensure that the kernel the boot.img.gz file uses and the netinst ISO are the same?
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09:00<calimero32456>hello i've got a little problem. i upgraded via apt-get to kernel 2.6.26-1 from 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64, but now the 2.6.26 is in the grub boot list but the server always boots from 2.6.24. Does anyone know why?
09:00<Stuckey>How do I empty the trash from the command line?
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09:02<crynale>hola a tod@s
09:02<jeremiah>Stuckey: There are many trashes, which one do you want to empty?
09:02<Stuckey>jeremiah, the one that's on my gnome desktop
09:02<crynale>tengo una duda usando debian 4
09:03<crynale>No puedo configurar mi conexion wifi una ayuda para un novato
09:04<jeremiah>Stuckey: It most likely is a directory called .Trash
09:04<jeremiah>Stuckey: So do an ls -a to reveal the dir, and cd into it.
09:05<Stuckey>Debian doens't have a .Trash
09:05<gsimmons>calimero32456: Probably because your default entry is '0', with 2.6.26-1 the most recent kernel in this list. Modify "default" (or updatedefault, savedefault) in /boot/grub/menu.lst if this isn't desired.
09:05<jeremiah>Stuckey: Confirm that it is the right dir, and you can `rm` each item in there
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09:05<Stuckey>the only .Trash I have is an .xml file from nautilus
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09:06<jeremiah>Stuckey: Can you confirm from the contents that it is the same as the Graphical version?
09:06<calimero32456>gsimmons yes my default entry is 0
09:07<calimero32456>should i just put a # in front of the line?
09:07<Werid>///win 14
09:08<Stuckey>jeremiah, it's a .xml file?
09:08<jeremiah>Stuckey: And?
09:08<Stuckey>t just has xml stuff in it
09:08<jeremiah>Precisely, and XML is text, so you can grep it.
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09:09<Stuckey>jeremiah, I used cat
09:09<jeremiah>Okay, if you think that is your Nautilus trash file, if you can see the contents resemble your graphical trash file, you can parse and delete things.
09:10<jeremiah>Or you can `cat /dev/null > trash.xml`
09:10<jeremiah>which will wipe it out
09:10<jeremiah>But I doubt you want that.
09:10<jeremiah>Are you hoping to remove selected items from the XML file?
09:10<Stuckey>jeremiah, I'm just trying to get the trash that's on my gnome desktop to empty
09:11<jeremiah>Stuckey: You can't right click on it and `empty trash` ?
09:11<jeremiah>I though you said you wanted to do it from the command line.
09:11<Stuckey>jeremiah, I can, but when I do it says I can't delete X file because I don't have the permission to.
09:11<enouf>nice tool for parsing xml files is http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/examples
09:12<jeremiah>Stuckey: I see. You may have to change the permissions on one of the files in your trash.
09:12<jeremiah>Stuckey: They may be owned by someone else or by root.
09:12<Stuckey>but where are these files when they're "in the trash"
09:13<Stuckey>I can't find them unless I take them out of the trash
09:13<jeremiah>Well, you can click on the trash icon and press `openz
09:13<jeremiah>sorry, `open`
09:13<enouf>Stuckey: try updatedb as root; then locate -i trash
09:13<Stuckey>Okay, thanks
09:14<jeremiah>Stuckey: That will only show you where dirs named `trash` are
09:14<enouf>possible it's in /root/.Trash or somecrap - all depends if you were root user running the DE
09:14<jeremiah>enouf: I think you are confusing him.
09:14*enouf thought that's what he wanted :-/
09:14<jeremiah>Just show how you can use Nautilus to change perms and then he can delete
09:14<jeremiah>Otherwise it is a wild goose chase with updatedb and locate.
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09:19<enouf> <Stuckey> How do I empty the trash from the command line? <-- maybe gconftool2 (gconf-editor) type of commands http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/GNOME.html .. but Stuckey try irc.gnome.org #gnome-debian channel, IINM
09:20<jeremiah>Or, you can simply change the permissions on the files in the trash and then empty them.
09:20*fxiny thinks this is some parallel universe
09:21<enouf>fxiny: no parallelogram porbs!
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09:21<fxiny>enouf: parallelotons :P
09:22<calimero32456>can someone explain me what gsimmons explained?
09:22<gsimmons>calimero32456: Sorry, I misread. It should be booting the higher-numbered kernel, unless you had "default saved" set (and savedefault in each kernel option).
09:22<calimero32456>because i adjusted default to 1
09:22<enouf>fxiny: i gotta run .. (you're not in -offtopic, so i said it here) see ya later
09:23<calimero32456>oh
09:23<calimero32456>2.6.26 is the first kernel in line
09:23<calimero32456>and when grub was updated it showed the 3 kernels
09:23<fxiny>enouf: ok
09:24<calimero32456>gsimmons should i just put # before the other kernels?
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09:26<gsimmons>calimero32456: Provide your /boot/grub/menu.list file at a paste site. Omit any GRUB passwords if in use.
09:26<gsimmons>!paste
09:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:27<gsimmons>s/list/lst/
09:27<calimero32456>http://paste.debian.net/26858/
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09:42<gsimmons>calimero32456: Your configuration appears to be fine. It is set to boot with the first entry listed (kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64) as default.
09:43<calimero32456>how come uname -a keeps showing the old version?
09:43<calimero32456>linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64
09:43<calimero32456>i installed those 2 packages to upgrade kernel
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09:45<IRCMonkey>Hi, when reading a pdf within firefox with evince, evince not all the time take place inside the browser (as it should).
09:45<spande>calimero32456 : did you really see it boot up with 2.6.26
09:45<IRCMonkey>any idea
09:45<calimero32456>no
09:45<calimero32456>never
09:45<calimero32456>it always boots with 2.6.24
09:46<IRCMonkey>With kpdf it always take place inside firefox
09:46<calimero32456>should i remove 2.6.24 from the list and see what it does?
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09:48<yusuo>how would i go about changing the default volume when debian logs in for some reason its always muted
09:49<spande>calimero32456 : maybe the raid you are using is not updating the boot?
09:49<calimero32456>how can i update that?
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09:52<spande>calimero32456 : dunno. I suggest google for raid and updating kernels with grub. I thought that grub was raid aware but maybe you need to add something to the config to do that.
09:52<calimero32456>last time i did a kernel upgrade from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24 it detected it automaticly
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09:53<fenix2be>hello
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09:56<newbie>Is it possible to view wmv files in windows ?
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09:57<newbie>I meant Is it possible to view wmv files in debian :-)
09:57<spande>newbie : yup
09:58<spande>mplayer and vlc do it fine. stfw.
09:59<newbie>i have mplayer and vlc installed ...but it does not seem to show video ...only audio ...the file works well in windows
10:00<spande>newbie : mplayer -vo help <--- choose a codec
10:00<spande>one of them will probably work
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10:01<newbie>thanks
10:01<spande>-zoom option if you want your po^Wfile to be viewable in fullscreen
10:01<gsimmons>spande: Uh, that selects a video output driver, not a codec.
10:02<spande>gsimmons : thanks.
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10:02<calimero32456>gsimmons should i try to remove the 2.69.24 from the grub and reboot
10:02<calimero32456>or is that too dangerous?
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10:05<gsimmons>calimero32456: Attempt a boot with 2.6.26, regardless of its default status. Then you can determine if the etchnhalf kernel is safe to remove.
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10:07<spande>newbie : mplayer -vc help | grep wm will give you a clue on if mplayer has the wmv codecs
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10:08<angasule>my dad asked me to make his laptop dual boot while I'm removing the metric ton of crap and virus he got in it
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10:09<Guest2212>Hello everyone. I'd like to know how I can downgrade my x.org in a Lenny install to version 7.0 to get the Matrox G550 driver to work. Can somebody help me please?
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10:09<Guest2212>A link to a howto or similar would be much appreciated
10:09<martin3377>hi, i have a question: i installed lenny and i can see my 2 ntfs partitions . but i can't mount them. is there a way to mount these partitions automatically?
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10:10<spande>guest2212 : why do you think you need to downgrade ?
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10:11<martin3377>sorry, i forgot to mention i can se these partitions in nautilus
10:11<Guest2212>Because the matrox install.sh only supports x.org up to 7.0, and on several forums I found comments that as of 7.1 the official mga doesn't support a lot of the functionalities anymore
10:12<calimero32456>gsimmons i disabled 2.6.24 completely and it still boots that version
10:12<newbie>hi ...when I check the command .....I see codecs installed but 2 lines are as ffwmv2 ffmpeg problems FFmpeg M$ WMV2/WMV8 [wmv2]
10:12<newbie>ffwmv3 ffmpeg problems FFmpeg M$ WMV3/WMV9 [wmv3]
10:12<newbie>..do they indicate anything ?
10:12<calimero32456>could it be that it uses lilo to boot in stead of grub?
10:12<calimero32456>and how do i see that?
10:12<Lish>martin3377 : edit the /etc/fstab
10:12<Guest2212>a different soultionto get my dual monitor setup working would be great as well
10:13<Lish>martin3377 : and with sudo fdisk -l you can see the partitions!
10:13<spande>Guest2212: did you try sticking in the mga as a module ? My guess is that unsupported means it still runs. Though I could be wrong.
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10:13<Golfgeo>Hi all
10:14<Guest2212>Sorry for being a bit noobish :) Do you mean modprobe mga?
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10:14<martin_>Lish: i already can see these partitions with fdisk - l as root
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10:15<spande>Guest2212: /etc/X11/xorg.conf video driver section.
10:16<gsimmons>calimero32456: Sorry, you don't know what bootloader your system is using?
10:16<Lish>martin_: /dev/nameofyourdev /media/namefolder auto defaults,uid=1000,gid=0,umask=0027 1 2
10:16<calimero32456>i thought it was grub
10:16<calimero32456>but it doesn't show up in the debug logs
10:17<spande>calimero32456 : when the system boots up do you see a grub loading message or a lilo sort of thing?
10:17<Golfgeo>Gor a resolv.conf question: How do I handle multiple local domains and an ISP DNS server in my resolv.conf?
10:17<Golfgeo>*Got
10:18<Golfgeo>Pointer to a howto for complex resolv.conf would be great
10:18<calimero32456>i can't see it because it's a remote server
10:18<martin_>Lish: thank you, but i wanted to know if there is a way to automount partitions... to an default folder? i remember ubuntu has something like that... theres nothing about these partitions in the fstab but the get mounted automatically by clicking on it in nautilus
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10:19<Guest2212>spande: there's a mga driver in there, it shows the correct name and possible screen resolutions, but I cannot chose a resolution higher than 1024x768 with the gnome display settings.
10:19<spande>calimero32456 : dpkg -s lilo ?
10:20<Guest2212>I had similar problems with a previous Xubuntu install where dual head mode messed up my display configuration completely
10:20<calimero32456>it's installed
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10:20<calimero32456>and so is grub
10:20<crazyb0y>how can i install php5-curl on debian 5.0 ?
10:21<crazyb0y>there's no such php5-curl package
10:21<spande>Guest2212: you may need to play around with modeline settings. <--- not much joy Maybe do a net search on modelines for your card, stick in a few and try them out.
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10:22<spande>Guest2212: I am clueless on dual head stuff.
10:23<Lish>martin_: When the system boots, or whenever you type mount -a, mount tries to mount all the filesystems listed in /etc/fstab. If you don't want it to automatically mount a filesystem, you should use the noauto option. It's probably a good idea to use noauto with removable media such as floppy disks, because there may or may not be a disk in the drive. You'll want to mount these filesystems manually after you put in a disk.
10:23<Guest2212>spande: Ok, I'll try this path. If I fail, do you know where I can find information on downgrading x.org?
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10:25<spande>Guest2212 : nope. Downgrading is rarely possible. If you try that, you get to keep the pieces :-)
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10:26<martin_>Lish: ok
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10:27<spande>Guest2212 : actually it is possible, but then odd things may break cos it outside debian
10:27<Guest2212>:( ok, I guess I'll have to try and find a version with a previous x.org then for the serious work and keep lenny in a dual install for playing around. Any Idea where to find out the fastest way which xorg version is used by which debian version?
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10:27<Guest2212>spande: thanks, but I think this will be more hassle than it's worth :)
10:27<spande>packages.debian.org ?
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10:28<Guest2212>me=stupid :) thanks, I'll have a look. debian-land is still a bit confusing :)
10:29*spande realizes apt-file search needs an apt-file update
10:30*spande was wondering why none of the packages seemed to be available in debian
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10:32<szymon_g>hi
10:33<szymon_g>where can i find a list of patches of debian's 2.6.26 kernel?
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10:35<spande>szymon_g : you mean patches to vanilla to make 2.6.26 ?
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10:37<szymon_g>yes
10:37<szymon_g>eh :/
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10:38<calimero32456>it keeps booting 2.6.24 :(
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10:38<szymon_g>ok, another question: how can i add a specified dir into users $PATH?
10:39<szymon_g>calimero32456: did you compilled kernel or installed it from net?
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10:39<calimero32456>it's the one from the packages
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10:40<szymon_g>how did you installed it?
10:40<calimero32456>apt-get :)
10:40<szymon_g>try to download it from www, than run dpkg -i package.deb
10:40<szymon_g>:)
10:40<fxiny>calimero32456: your paste has gone , can uou upload it again ?
10:40<calimero32456>ok
10:41<calimero32456>http://paste.debian.net/26862/
10:42<szymon_g>it looks allright to me :/
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10:43<szymon_g>ok, bye
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10:44<fxiny>calimero32456: are you sure 2.6.26 is in /boot ? ls /boot
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10:45<calimero32456>yes
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10:45<calimero32456>boot debian.bmp initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64 vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
10:45<calimero32456>config-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 grub System.map-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64
10:45<calimero32456>config-2.6.26-1-amd64 initrd.img-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 System.map-2.6.26-1-amd64
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10:53<Matic>Hi am trying to setup a lampp server, all other work apart from mysql, I have already stopped other running daemons, I get this error when I try to use phpmyadmin "#2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) "
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10:55<jeremiah>Matic: What happens when you do `mysql`?
10:56<jeremiah>In other words, are you sure the mysql daemon is running?
10:58<Matic>jeremiah, actually I have another mysql I installed from source and it's the one I stop, the mysql for xampp is not yet running it's just give that error^^
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10:59<Golfgeo>What tool can I use to do dns queries and see where they are made?
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11:00<jeremiah>Matic: The error message you get tells you that mysql is not running.
11:00<jeremiah>Matic: What do you want to happen?
11:00<jeremiah>What are you trying to do?
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11:00<Matic>jeremiah, exactly, yes I know that, I want mysql to run
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11:13<pietro_>ciao a tutti
11:13<pietro_>!list
11:13<dpkg>one warez list being sent to pietro_
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11:33<enkrypt>currently I have my xorg at the "experimental" level, how can I downgrade EVERYTHING related to xorg to debian-sid ?
11:33<alexziano>salve
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11:35*gravity is currently working on getting all of his xorg installation to experimental from sid :-p
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11:35<gravity>enkrypt: You probably want to use some pinning. See the apt_preferences manpage
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11:36<gravity>enkrypt: Alternately, you can use aptitude interactive mode to manually set each package to the sid version
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11:37<seanius>and apt-show-versions to list the packages currently installed from experimental can be helpful
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11:46<olliprolli_>huhu
11:46<And1>Heya, when I do 'dpkg -l' some packages are marked as "pc"... what does that mean, how can I remove them? 'aptitude -f purge' doesn't work, I get this error message: http://pbot.rmdir.de/8df2a97921571887142fa266849a1d34
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11:51<jeremiah>And1: I would bet that 'pc' means purge config files
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11:52<Nemoder>sounds like a problem with the /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst script
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11:52<Nemoder>or .postrm
11:52<jeremiah>And1: Did you do a apt-get update
11:52<jeremiah>?
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11:53<And1>jeremiah: Nope, lemme try that.
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12:36<D6>Hello guys. There was "hal-device-manager" package in Etch. But in Lenny it doesn't exist. Why?
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12:38<schichtleiter>good evening ...
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12:40<thegve>Good evening... Small question. I am building a new kernel, and as I am not perfect yet, I obviously make lots of mistakes and am now about to build for the third time. If I'm not mistaken the "make-kpkg clean" step is not really needed and would safe me lots of compiling time. When I simply do "make-kpkg binary" however it just immediately says "done"
12:40<thegve>I just want to switch a module from being build-in to being modular, that sort of things...
12:40<schichtleiter>i have sort of a problem with configuring exim4
12:40<schichtleiter>i had it set to local delivery only up to now...
12:40<schichtleiter>all i want is forwarding my "root" and error mails to my gmail address
12:40<schichtleiter>the machine doesnt have a FQDN, only dyndns. i read trough many faqs, but i only got confused more and more...
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12:40<thegve>Or do I just have to clean and wait for things to be ready
12:41<cahoot>thegve: you need clean
12:41<thegve>sucks, but thanks for the info :)
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12:43<cahoot>thegve: if you have the hw look at CONCURRENCY_LEVEL
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12:43<thegve>ok....
12:43<schichtleiter>i have sort of a problem with configuring exim4,i had it set to local delivery only up to now... all i want is forwarding my "root" and error mails to my gmail address. the machine doesnt have a FQDN, only dyndns. i read many faqs, but i only got confused more and more... i dont even know which setting type i have to select
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12:47<Stratman4300>hey does anyone know of a linux app that can convert a .doc file to a PDF??
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12:48<seanius>openoffice?
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12:56<Rixcz>Hi, is her someone, who can me help with munin? In logs I dont have any errors, but it dont generate graph... any idea?
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12:59<jeanmi>bonjour
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13:01<Elmaron>hi
13:01<Elmaron>when pressing the shutdown button, kde3 seems to take control of the shutdown process for me
13:02<Elmaron>that means it waits for programs to close and stops if a program still wants to ask the user if he TRULY wants to close it and not save the document
13:02<Elmaron>or something similar
13:02<Elmaron>but I'd prefer an "init 0"-like behaviour
13:02<Elmaron>is this possible?
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13:11<Raspberry>I've got a strange GRUB problem... the black screen with blinking cursor after install. I've tried Etch4.0r6, Etch-n-half and Lenny-testing-r1 NetInst ISOs ... I can install the OS fine and there are no errors -- but on reboot, I'm left at a black screen. I've tried putting GRUB on the MBR (hd0) and on (hd0,0) which is /boot -- I'm using an IBM/Lenovo ThinkServer TS100 with an LSI Controller. Two Hardware RAID1 arrays, each a pair of
13:11<Raspberry>160GB drives. I have attempted this setup with and without LVM, but would prefer to use LVM so I can swap out one of the 160GB RAID1 arrays later for expansion.
13:11<Raspberry>I've googled around and not found much on this specific issue where (hd0,0) doesn't fix it.
13:11<Raspberry>Debian installer sees my drives as the RAID Arrays -- not physical drives.
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13:13<ry60003333>I get "Automatic Printer Configuration Failed" when installing on an iMac G3 with the latest PowerPC netinstall CD. :(
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13:13<ya>HI
13:13<ya>hi guys
13:14<ry60003333>Hi :D
13:14<ya>how r u ry?
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13:15<ry60003333>Not good, I bought two 1 TB hard drives and want to RAID them for a network file server
13:15<ry60003333>And I got an old iMac G3 to do it :(
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13:16<ya>i am not familiar with mac.!
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13:16<metalqga>raspberry you've got no valuable data in the drives?
13:16<epsilon>Is this the right channel to get some help? :p
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13:16*epsilon is too n00b to actually find a channel that says "debian help".
13:16<ry60003333>Well its the PowerPC architecture
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13:17<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: and ?
13:17<Valtiel-ASD>do it
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13:17<ry60003333>I get "Automatic Print Configuration Failed"
13:17<Valtiel-ASD>what do you need to do ?
13:17<ry60003333>During Select and Install Software
13:17<ry60003333>Install debian :P
13:17-!-ubuntu [~ubuntu@ppp-72-70.32-151.iol.it] has quit []
13:17<ry60003333>Or buy Mac OS X server for like $500 lol
13:18<Valtiel-ASD>for what ?
13:18<Raspberry>metalqga: nope
13:18<Raspberry>metalqga: it's a fresh server install -- Lenovo has got me testing one of their new servres for Debian
13:19<ry60003333>Trying to turn an iMac G3 into a network file server with two 1 TB external USB disks RAIDed
13:19<metalqga>I had this problem too, all I could do is to erase the partition table....
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13:20<Raspberry>metalqga: I've rebuilt the arrays -- I suppose I could shuffle the drives around in the enclosure :)
13:20<metalqga>actually grub couldnt install at all
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13:21<Raspberry>metalqga: well if you've got a sec -- it'll be to the GRUB part of the install in < 10m
13:22<Raspberry>metalqga: after install I can boot off the NetInst disc again and mount the LVM and /boot without any issues
13:22<Raspberry>I just can't seem to get GRUB to stick
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13:23<metalqga>I have no exp with lvm... does grub like lvm?
13:23<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: never mind iMac 3G or ordinery PC for debian
13:23<metalqga>tried making a /boot partition
13:23<metalqga>?
13:23<Valtiel-ASD>no problem
13:24<Valtiel-ASD>setup NFS and share it
13:24<ry60003333>I don't get what you mean :P
13:24<Raspberry>metalqga: yeah I've got a /boot
13:24<ry60003333>Yea problem is the install
13:24<ry60003333>"Automatic Printer Configuration Failed" during the install :(
13:24<Valtiel-ASD>open a file exports
13:24<Raspberry>metalqga: I've tried this without LVM and it still doesn't boot -- so GRUB must not like something about the controller or RAID array
13:24<ry60003333>I have no Printer connected xD
13:24<Valtiel-ASD>in /etc
13:25<ry60003333>How do I do that while in the installer?
13:25<Valtiel-ASD>and set a path of shared folder and permissions
13:25<Valtiel-ASD>and other
13:25<Valtiel-ASD>aptitude install nfs-common
13:25<Valtiel-ASD>and nfs-kernel
13:25<Valtiel-ASD>nfs
13:26<neocalderon>Hi all.
13:26<neocalderon>Has anyone had any experience with Artica Postfix?
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13:26<neocalderon>Is it good?
13:26<ry60003333>Yea but I can't get Debian to install at all :p
13:26<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: mount your storage with raid and share it
13:27<Valtiel-ASD>why ?
13:28<ry60003333>I get "Automatic Printer Configuration Failed" during Select and Install Software while booted from the netinstall CD of 4.0r6 for PowerPC :(
13:28<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: ÔÝ ÌÕËÔÕÄ ×ËÛÍÕËÙ ÁÝË ÎÝÇË ÚËÛÔÅÕË ,
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13:29<Valtiel-ASD>no kernel drivers for your printer ?
13:29<ry60003333>I don't have a printer connected
13:29<ry60003333>:P
13:29<ry60003333>Just USB keyboard and mouse
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13:29<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: <ry60003333> I get "Automatic Printer Configuration Failed" d
13:30<ry60003333>Yea, even though I have no printer connected
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13:30<ry60003333>Thats my problem ;)
13:30<Valtiel-ASD>if you don't have a printer this is never mind
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13:31<Valtiel-ASD>just install debian
13:31<ry60003333>Thats what I'm trying to do
13:31<Valtiel-ASD>))
13:31<ry60003333>It says that even though I have no printer connected, and I didn't change any instal options ;(
13:31<ry60003333>install
13:31<ry60003333>I've tried about 4 times so far :P
13:31-!-renzo [~renzo@static-217-133-41-254.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
13:31<Valtiel-ASD>don't choose an cups and all with printers
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13:33<Valtiel-ASD>i never try net install
13:33<Valtiel-ASD>i just download a first cd
13:33<Valtiel-ASD>and install it
13:33<ry60003333>Well from the normal 235 MB install CD that downloads packages from the internet
13:33<Valtiel-ASD>after all i do dist upgrade
13:34<ry60003333>Right now the computer doesn't have an OS on it :(
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13:34<Valtiel-ASD>use mac os
13:34<Valtiel-ASD>download all needed and use it
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13:34<ry60003333>I had Tiger on it but that doesn't support sharing folders xD
13:34<Valtiel-ASD>i hawe iMac to
13:35<jidm>Hi. there is a way to recover grub2?
13:35<Valtiel-ASD>and worcking with mac pro and mack books PowerPC
13:35<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: haa
13:35<ry60003333>New Mac Pro/Macbooks are Intel x86 :D
13:35<Valtiel-ASD>why do you think this
13:35<Valtiel-ASD>sharing
13:35<ry60003333>That would make this so much easier x.x
13:35<Valtiel-ASD>System preferens
13:36<ry60003333>In Tiger you can only share the public folder
13:36<ry60003333>In Leopard you can get info on a folder and share it and set permissions
13:36<Valtiel-ASD>samba shares
13:36<Valtiel-ASD>afp
13:36<Valtiel-ASD>and ftp
13:36<ry60003333>But Leopard requires a G4 processor
13:36<ry60003333>Yea it shares your public folder via AFP, SMF, and FTP
13:37<Valtiel-ASD>in tiger permissions sets to
13:37<ry60003333>:P
13:37<jidm>i had in my computer Vista and Debian at the same time. I booted using grub2. Now i installed winxp replacing vista, and i screwed grub2.
13:37<ry60003333>Yea but if you get info on a folder in Tiger, theres no Share this Folder option
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13:37<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: what do you need to share ?
13:37<fxiny>metalqga: seen it ?
13:37<Valtiel-ASD>use samba
13:37<ry60003333>Gotta share to Mac OS Classic and well and OS X and Windows
13:37<ry60003333>So Samba won't cover Classic :(
13:37<fxiny>Raspberry: use grub cli
13:37<Valtiel-ASD>and set permissions on folders
13:38-!-mechstomp [~matt@79-65-27-34.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #debian
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>don't need classic
13:38-!-S7UMPY [~S7UMPY@cpe-071-068-205-225.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>use tiger
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>X
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>or debian
13:38<Raspberry>fxiny: hmm what's grub cli
13:38<ry60003333>I have old world macs that can't run OS X :(
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>i use ssh for sharing
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13:38<Valtiel-ASD>sshfs
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>and sftp
13:38<fxiny>Raspberry: google for grub manual boot
13:38<Raspberry>fxiny: I'll google it :) I know... think there'd be an advantage to just using LILO instead
13:39<Tuplad>what is needed to import files from a digital camera? I have read that I have to give myself permission to access the drive. Does anyone have any more information on it ?
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13:39<Raspberry>duh... cli -- command line interface :D
13:39<ry60003333>Right now I have a linkstation that shares via AFP and SMB
13:39<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: set nedded permissions in finder and share it
13:39<fxiny>Raspberry: no , grub cli can help you troubleshooting your menu.lst
13:39<Valtiel-ASD>no problem
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13:39<ry60003333>Tiger doesn't allow you to share folders
13:39<ry60003333>Other then your public foldr
13:39<fxiny>Raspberry: use tab
13:39<ry60003333>folder *
13:40<Valtiel-ASD>no it's working
13:40<Valtiel-ASD>i do this
13:40<Raspberry>fxiny: yeah -- I think I know what you're getting at -- I had to use that with a workstation after Windows 7 borked things
13:40<Valtiel-ASD>in folder settings
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13:40<Valtiel-ASD>wait
13:40<Valtiel-ASD>i look for thus
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13:41<Raspberry>fxiny: do you think I can do that prior to rebooting after install or should I boot off the CD again and enter rescue mode (I tried this before, but I could play around some more)
13:42<fxiny>Raspberry: google keys : "grub blinking cursor"
13:42<Raspberry>fxiny: I guess what confuses me is neither (hd0) and (hd0,0) fix the issue --
13:42<Raspberry>fxiny: I've done that -- I've been working on this issue for 3 days
13:42<fxiny>Raspberry: 3 days ?
13:42<Raspberry>fxiny: root is inside of an LVM and /boot is not
13:42<Raspberry>fxiny: YES, 3 days -- i'd comfortably say 10-15hrs
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13:43<fxiny>Raspberry: doesn'ty matter , you do a grub manual boot , keep on tabbing and check what grub see/shows you
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13:45<ry60003333>My laptops internet died
13:45<fxiny>Shark Aussy three strikes ?
13:45<fxiny>;P
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13:48<Raspberry>reiser support is native to the kernel now right
13:48<Raspberry>:)
13:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 378] by debhelper
13:49<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: yes i see (((
13:49<ry60003333>:(
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13:49<Valtiel-ASD>only if you share it and set system permissions
13:50<Valtiel-ASD>in finder read only for other users
13:50<ry60003333>Yea but theres no share this folder option in Tiger
13:50<ry60003333>they added that in Leopard
13:50<Valtiel-ASD>and create special user
13:50<mechstomp>i have a query about hardware firewalls, its a bit longwinded, my router acts as a 4 port switch, but all the deb howtos online say to put the firewall between the router and the switch. obviously i cannot, so the fire wall i shall be making with have 3 ports, would it be a bad idea to connect 2 computers through the 3 port firewall that is connected to a switch/router?
13:50<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: use debian
13:50<Valtiel-ASD>))
13:51<ry60003333>Can you share via AFP from debian?
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13:51<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: no
13:51<Valtiel-ASD>for what ?
13:52<ry60003333>Mac OS Classic
13:52<ry60003333>;(
13:52<Raspberry>hmm
13:52<Raspberry>now my install disk is supposedly corrupt
13:52<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: use clients
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13:52<ry60003333>?
13:52<metalqga>lol raspberry.... should have checked it long before :P
13:52<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: 9 OS ?
13:53<Raspberry>metalqga: i installed with it lsat night ... no issues
13:53<ry60003333>Yea Mac OS 9
13:53<Raspberry>i think there are some weird hardware things going on here
13:53<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: wery old mac ?
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13:53<ry60003333>One old Quadra is using System 7 though xD
13:53<metalqga>no issues, except for broken grub ;)
13:53<Valtiel-ASD>for what to old os
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13:53<Raspberry>hmmm
13:53<Raspberry>it was downloading cpio
13:54<ry60003333>It has a Motorola 68040 CPU lol
13:54<Raspberry>and now it syas it was corrupt -- I wonder if I can try to manually install it in the background
13:54<ry60003333>25 MHz
13:54<Raspberry>cpio_2.6-18.1+etch1_amd64.deb has an MD5Sum mismatch
13:55<dazjorz>hmm
13:55<Raspberry>during install
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13:55<Valtiel-ASD>ry60003333: mac os 9 i use only with sheepshiver
13:55<dazjorz>There's this piece of code in dpkg, preexecscript():
13:55<Valtiel-ASD>not many times
13:55<dazjorz>instdirl = strlen(instdir);
13:55<ry60003333>Yea but I have computers that actually run Mac os 9
13:55<dazjorz>assert(strlen(path) >= instdirl);
13:55<ry60003333>no OS X
13:55<dazjorz>return path + instdirl;
13:55<dazjorz>could anybody explain to me what that's for?
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13:55<dazjorz>oh wait - path must begin with instdirl
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13:56<Valtiel-ASD>and to long times ago on blue egg i mac
13:56<dazjorz>it returns the path inside the chroot, instdirl is the chroot, path should be the path inside the chroot
13:56<Valtiel-ASD>with circle mouse
13:56<Valtiel-ASD>one button
13:56<Valtiel-ASD>)))
13:56<Valtiel-ASD>to old
13:56<Valtiel-ASD>with tube monitore
13:56<Valtiel-ASD>)))
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13:58<ry60003333>Yea thats the iMac G3 I have
13:58<ry60003333>Circle mouse :D
13:59<Raspberry>ry60003333: I hope you're paying for your carbon credits while you kill the planet
13:59<Raspberry>;)
13:59<ry60003333>Huh we bought this in like
13:59<ry60003333>2000
13:59<ry60003333>xD
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14:00<ry60003333>I like the planet :D
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14:00<Raspberry>apparently my netinst CD which has been sitting in the CDROM drive since last night has gone bad
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14:00<eljefe>Can I reliably shrink an XP NTFS partition with the NetInstall cd, or should I first do that with a live CD?
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14:06<Tuplad>what is needed to import files from a digital camera? I have read that I have to give myself permission to access the drive. Does anyone have any more information on it ?
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14:08<Valtiel-ASD>Tuplad: no
14:08<Valtiel-ASD>only root or this is user can read and write this
14:09<Tuplad>:o
14:09<Valtiel-ASD>if all right
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14:20<kogo>ciao
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15:00<Ananth123>how do i find out if a particular package has a translation for a specific language ?
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15:22<Rixcz>Is it someone here? I need help with munin, its doesnt generate any data, without any error. Any Idea?
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15:23<alberto>eljefe, it worked flaweslyless :)
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15:24<alberto>flawlessly :)
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15:27<Txt-file>!tell Rixcz about details
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15:32<chairmeleon>hello
15:33<chairmeleon>have anyone successfully disabled touchpad tapping in debian lenny?
15:33<chairmeleon>it seems to ignore my "MaxTapTime" "0" setting in xorg.conf, even though according to the Xorg.log, that is the config file being used
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15:47<c36pop>hi i wan not remember the command to see what source a package belongs to
15:48<Nemoder>apt-cache policy <package>
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15:48<el>gr
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15:49<c36pop>no it is another one
15:49<c36pop>to see what packages belongs to what source and what source do compile what packages
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15:51<c36pop>apt-cache showsrc :)
15:51<c36pop>thanks indeed
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15:52<newsense>i ran aptitude purge snort and later when i was a little less frustrated i decided i still needed it but now when i try to install snort i get postinstall errors
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15:54<demon_>hi all
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15:54<streuner>newsense: fix them
15:54<demon_>?
15:55<newsense>streuner: i havent had a dpkg issue in years and have no clue what to do about it thats why im asking here
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15:55<streuner>newsense: sid?
15:55<newsense>streuner: no lenny
15:55<streuner>newsense: the same for that issue
15:55<streuner>newsense: did you look at the BTS yet?
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15:56<newsense>streuner: no i didnt actually, it installed fine before but i guess the bug could be in the removal and reinstall process huh
15:56<streuner>newsense: well, install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges now
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15:57<streuner>newsense: and show us the whole error in paste.debian.net
15:57<newsense>i have apt-listchanges installed and thought i had listbugs but on this box i dont seem to let me grab that
15:58<streuner>so it didnt show any bug at all for snort?
15:58<newsense>streuner: nope
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15:59<streuner>ok, show us the error in paste.debian.net now
15:59<newsense>streuner: ok thanks
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16:01<newsense>streuner: ill have to start x and come back so i can actually paste it to a pastebin :(
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16:05<macrut>hello
16:05<macrut>anybody know something about NetBeans?
16:06<newsense>streuner, thanks for the help, i dont know why but it actually installed with no problem now, maybe there was a stale pid lying around i did reboot before i asked in here
16:06<newsense>?
16:07<Torsten_W>i would say, there are many people in the world, who knows something about netbeans
16:07<newsense>weird but anyways its working and i can go on without worrying about what the animals are doing on the network
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16:26<ciocca>ciqao
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16:26<ciocca>nn riesco a vedere dei filmati con firefox
16:26<ciocca>ad esempio mi volgio vedere annozero
16:27<ciocca>nn me lo fa vedere
16:27<ciocca>invece i video di youtube invece li riesco vedere
16:27<ciocca>sapete il perhce e se c'ee' soluzione ???
16:27<craigevil>english
16:28<ciocca>mmm
16:28<ciocca>no pur troppo
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16:28<ciocca>grazei cmq sia D:
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16:45<blast_hardcheese>What IRC bouncers offer multiple clients sharing the same session? DCC forwarding is not hugely important, I just want to be able to have a daemon connected on one of my servers and not have to worry about restarting in the middle of a conversation
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16:47<blockowitsch>is it normal that when i run aptitude with -t experimental that aptitude tries to update several packages? i only want to update one particular package to the experimental version
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16:52<hahnp>hi
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16:56<blockowitsch>well i solved it by removing experimental from my source again and installing the .deb packages by hand
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17:12<JordiGH>Hm, this is an annoying bug that I don't know how to reproduce nor even how to report.
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17:13<JordiGH>I've only seen it happen with this hardware, but sometimes, plugging in the AC to my laptop freezes it, and I have to unplug it and go back to battery to unfreeze.
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17:15<JordiGH>It might even be an issue with the 2.6.24 kernel I'm still using because I can't get my wireless to associate with the 2.6.26 kernel...
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17:17<s3a>what does debian have to index hard drive files?
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17:18<JordiGH>s3a: GNU locate?
17:18<JordiGH>s3a: Beagle?
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17:19<JordiGH>s3a: Even gnome-do can do it.
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17:19<panv>hi all...
17:19<gravity>tracker
17:19<gravity>KDE must have soemthing too
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17:19<s3a>from a default installation of etch that got updated to lenny, wat do i have?
17:19<panv>i wanna buy a new laptop... and i am willing to still use debian. i just am wondering which make i should buy..and why !! any help ?>
17:20<JordiGH>s3a: Default installation is Gnome, so you have locate.
17:20<s3a>panv, search for a wiki that tells u wat laptop will work
17:20<panv>any other opinions >?
17:20<panv>lol !
17:20<JordiGH>panv: There was recently a thread in d-user about this question.
17:20<s3a>JordiGH, GNU locate? so if i use the locate command, i am using the program GNU locate?
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17:20<panv>what is d-user ?
17:20<gravity>s3a: tracker might be installed. I think that's the standard for gnome, although I don't know if it gets installed by default in Debian
17:21<JordiGH>panv: Despite what everyone says about Dell, I've been very happy with my Dellbuntu lappy.
17:21<panv>ah
17:21<JordiGH>s3a: Yes, if you use GNU locate then you are using GNU locate.
17:21<JordiGH>panthera: d-user is "debian-user@lists.debian.org"
17:21<panv>what about toshiba ?
17:22<panv>have to go wiki all these things... thx guys../
17:22<panv>ciao
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17:22<JordiGH>panv: Look at that thread or linuxonlaptops or buy from various certified Linux laptop vendors (I think the Linux emporium from the UK will ship you a laptop with Debian preinstalled).
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17:30<jrabbit>Hi #debian, how might I get an old zip drive working on debian testing?
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17:30<jrabbit>I've been lookign around and supposedly I mgiht need to rebuild the kernel, is there a way to test if my kernel was buidl with support for it?
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17:32<jrabbit>hello?
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17:36<themill>jrabbit: do you know what module is required for the zip drive? (I presume it's a parallel port thing)
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17:38<jrabbit>themill: I think it's jsut ppa
17:38<jrabbit>What device will it show up as if it /did/ work?
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17:42<tainted_kitty>im bored... :(
17:42<themill>jrabbit: it's many years since I've played with one of these things.... I have no idea. Look in dmesg. The ppa module is certainly in the debian kernels though, so try plugging it in, switching it on, modprobe -r ppa; modprobe ppa ; dmesg |tail
17:43<jrabbit>[2583520.165762] FAT: Directory bread(block 32) failed
17:43<jrabbit>its tryign to mount
17:44<jrabbit>probably blank
17:44<gsimmons>jrabbit: It will appear as a SCSI removable disk (eg. "IOMEGA ZIP 100").
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17:44<jrabbit>I'm running it headless.
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17:45<jrabbit>But I poped open nautilus via x11forward and it didn't fidn it
17:45<jrabbit>it does think theres a floppy...
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17:57<JordiGH>Is there a GUI tool for installing .debs which are not from Debian? I'm thinking about Frostwire.
17:57<JordiGH>This is for my brother. I don't want him to ever open a terminal.
17:58<craigevil>kpackage, gnome probably has something similiar
17:58<themill>There's some gdebi thing for that. Never used it though... only heard about it
17:58<themill>judd: info gdebi
17:58<judd>themill: gdebi (admin): is optional; Version: 0.1.6; Size: 68.9k; Installed: 428k -- Simple tool to install deb files
17:59<themill>Yay for good short descriptions :(
17:59<JordiGH>Yeah, gdebi was weird. It's like it didn't sudo.
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18:00<JordiGH>Yeah, it just dies when you "install".
18:00<themill>The .desktop file should specify to run as a different user (or use gksu or similar)
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18:00<JordiGH>!ops unfrickable
18:00<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jordigh complains about: unfrickable
18:01<themill>unfrickable: wrong channel
18:01-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
18:01-!-unfrickable was kicked from #debian by dondelelcaro [you should know better]
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18:01-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
18:01<themill>thanks, dondelelcaro
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18:01<JordiGH>Ah, #493352
18:02<JordiGH>:-/
18:02<Ganneff>.oO(damn channel ops, make ircops look in another channel for details, just cos they kick them before we could take action) :)
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18:04<themill>JordiGH: yay... "You can just run this graphical program as root [err... how?] so it's not a grave bug." fail.
18:06<JordiGH>themill: Yeah... That was embarrassing. I was trying to show to my brother how easy it would be, and I was doubly embarrassed. Once, this bug, second, Frostwire's packaging sucks and doesn't depend on Java!
18:06<JordiGH>themill: Thankfully my brother is suitably impressed with the rest of lenny, so he forgives these trespasses.
18:07<themill>JordiGH: we've had people in here before with some horribly borked problems thanks to frostwire's packaging.
18:08<JordiGH>themill: Yeah, Frostwire's packaging also seems to do a bunch of stupid stuff with MIME types. :-
18:08<JordiGH>:-/
18:09<themill>JordiGH: Send them both patches and a cluebat...
18:09<JordiGH>themill: I'd just rather package the damn thing from scratch.
18:09<JordiGH>I might do it... later.
18:10<themill>I was about to say "well, you know what to do about that..."
18:10<JordiGH>As soon as I finish packaging other things. Like Processing.
18:10<newsense>debian has a frostwire package ?
18:11<JordiGH>newbie: More like Frostwire has a debian package. :-/
18:11<JordiGH>newsense: ^^
18:11<JordiGH>newsense: And it sucks.
18:11<JordiGH>(as a package, not Frostwire itself)
18:11<newsense>ahh so its not "in debian"
18:12<newsense>my girlfriend always wants me to install it but i wouldnt even if there was, and i told her its not compatible with linux
18:12<JordiGH>newsense: No. And I wish upstream sources would stop trying to Windowsify software distribution. Code::Blocks is another culprit I can think of.
18:12<JordiGH>newsense: Why not? It does work very nicely and it's all free. OpenJDK handles it quite well.
18:13<newsense>im trying to teach her about free software and she just wants to pirate mp3's :(
18:13<JordiGH>newsense: There's nothing wrong with sharing music...
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18:14<JordiGH>newsense: It's unfortunately often illegal, but that can be fixed and I think it will within a few years.
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18:15<newsense>maybe ill give it a try if it makes it into debians repos, good information, i think ill look into it further
18:16<newsense>JordiGH, does its liscense prevent it from being added to the repos ?
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18:17<newsense>s/liscense/license
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18:17<JordiGH>newsense: Nope, just nobody has packaged it properly, but it's all GPLed. Unless there are hidden things I haven't seen yet.
18:19<JordiGH>newsense: It's got an RFP/ITP/RFP again.
18:19<newsense>man would i make her day if i packaged it and installed it for her, though i would have to do my homework first :)
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18:19<JordiGH>If upstream made such a mess of the packaging, that makes me think it's not going to be that easy to do it properly.
18:19<JordiGH>Java packaging in general seems to be messy, if Processing is any indication.
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18:20<newsense>only problem i would have would be getting the mp3's onto her zune haha
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18:20<JordiGH>I like my Samsung player. It plays Ogg, works like a regular USB pendrive, costs half as much as an iPod shuffle with the same storage space, has 10 times the features.
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18:22<themill>JordiGH: java packaging is only messy because the java "ecosystem" thinks that internal copies of other people's libraries is not just acceptable, it's a good thing to do.
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18:30<leovis>hola
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18:32<spande>I have
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18:32<spande>I have an unsanitized file name. How do I remove it with a script?
18:33<leovis>que paso
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18:36<azarh>hello, can someone tell me what the latest release of debian is? I believe it's sid, but wanted to check.
18:37<newsense>etch
18:38<themill>azarh: etch.
18:38<SlimeyPete>azarh: sid is the "unstable" branch
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18:38<stew>which is never released
18:38<SlimeyPete>indeed
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18:39<azarh>gotcha. is there a "testing" branch of etch?
18:41<spande>I mean, if the file is called -rf , then scripting rm "$filename" would be a little irresponsible.
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18:41<SlimeyPete>Lenny is the testing branch (and will be the next release)
18:41<spande>and is due real soon now.
18:41<azarh>gotcha. thanks again. :)
18:41<SlimeyPete>though "real soon now" could mean anything when it comes to Debian :)
18:41<azarh>lol
18:42<azarh>I was just having issues with getting my kernel to install, I needed yaird 0.0.13 or something and I could only get 12. had to get 13 off the website.
18:42<azarh>they seem to be having dependency issues lately
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18:45<azarh>well, here goes a reboot.
18:45<themill>spande: see man rm, there is an -- option that you can give for precisely this
18:45*azarh crosses his fingers. had to have a 30 minute argument with the system before it'd install my kernel. :d
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18:46*Panarchy says Hi
18:46<Panarchy>Does anyone know why this command doesn't work? dpkg -i --instdir=/tools/debian hexedit_1.2.12-3_i386.deb
18:47<duraperidol>hello
18:47<Panarchy>hi
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18:48<duraperidol>i swore i saw a within the debian megasite that spoke about booting debian (via pxe + a new pkg) online?
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18:48<duraperidol>ie you host a netboot .img on a publically accessible site
18:48<azarh>what error do you get?
18:49<duraperidol>and it would load from that (after you first used a loader and that nifty new pkg..
18:49<duraperidol>anyone familiar?
18:49<Panarchy>PasteBin of output: http://mibbit.com/pb/xM3Dor
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18:49<Panarchy>Oh, hang on a second, LOL, ubuntu is case sensitive
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18:51<themill>Panarchy: try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net, they'll be much more help to you
18:52<Panarchy>Sorry, but I'm doing this on Debian as well
18:52<Panarchy>Going to add all the tools needed
18:53<Panarchy>Then see which distro has: The smallest size, the fastest speed
18:53<themill>Panarchy: you shouldn't need to install things using dpkg. We have tools like apt-get and aptitude for this.
18:53<Panarchy>and whichever is smallest, I'lkl release
18:53<Panarchy>themill: Thanks. But how do I specify I specific install directory in aptitude or apt-get?
18:53<azarh>um... all linux is case sensative
18:53<azarh>welcome to the high tech world of linux. ;)
18:54<Panarchy>lol
18:54<Panarchy>Now I'm getting a new error whilst processing dpkg -i --instdir=/tools/debian hexedit_1.2.12-3_i386.deb: http://mibbit.com/pb/1DvuYT
18:54<themill>Panarchy: why would you want to? Use a chroot and do it properly.
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18:54<themill>Panarchy: The speed and size of debian vs ubuntu is also unlikely to be any different. And if you're really looking for size differences, then you probably should be looking to build your own release anyway.
18:55<Panarchy>I am
18:55<Panarchy>Now I'm getting a new error whilst processing dpkg -i --instdir=/tools/debian hexedit_1.2.12-3_i386.deb: http://mibbit.com/pb/zUMySb
18:55<Panarchy>But first, I would like to release another version
18:55<Panarchy>And to do that, I need to fix the error I'm getting
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18:56<themill>Panarchy: stop trying to munge with dpkg directly and build a proper chroot. /msg dpkg debootstrap
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18:58<Panarchy>themill: I don't understand
18:58<Panarchy>Please tell me the exact command to use
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18:58<themill>dpkg: tell Panarchy about debootstrap
18:58<Panarchy>Please tell me the exact command to use, to install the individual .deb that I have downloaded already
18:59<Panarchy>Please tell me the exact command to use, to install the individual .deb that I have downloaded already, as there a 64 .deb's in the folder
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19:00<dondelelcaro>Panarchy: using the --instdir option to dpkg is almost always fundamentally broken; don't use it
19:01<themill>Panarchy: I have no idea what you've managed to create with your frankenbuntu and I have no intention of trying to work it out at this time of night. There are so many other ways you could go about this that would be much less painful for you (and us).
19:01<spande>themill : but the problem seems more general. Spaces, asterisks, other strange chars. Not just -rf, which would indeed be soluble with the -- option. I am hoping for a really simple and universal solution. rm 'filename' for example. Though that fails with -rf
19:01<gravity>Wow. I didn't even know --instdir existed. That's crack.
19:01<Panarchy>Can someone please help me? There are 199 tools that I need to install, 65 of them debian packages.
19:02<dondelelcaro>Panarchy: since you're not using Debian, this channel isn't the appropriate place to get support. If you want Debian stuff installed, use deboostrap and set up a proper chroot, and then use aptitude or apt-get or similar.
19:02<themill>spande: that's what quoting is for, e.g. to delete $file where $file might be called foo*bar: rm -- "$file"
19:03<themill>spande: the quotes protect the wildcards from being expanded by the shell
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19:04<Panarchy>Is there a way I can change the directory apt-get uses as it's install directory?
19:05<spande>themill, thanks. You'd probably make a good lecturer.
19:05<dondelelcaro>Panarchy: yes, but doing so is almost always not what you want to do
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19:05<themill>spande: hehe... you probably don't know the irony of that statement.
19:06<spande>themill : you were the guy who never went to lectures ?
19:06<themill>spande: no, I'm now the guy giving them...
19:07<Panarchy>dodelcaro: So, how do I do it?
19:07<spande>heh. You probably do well in polls if they have them at your place
19:08<Panarchy>I would like all 65 of my .deb to be installed into a certain directory. I'm getting a new error whilst processing dpkg -i --instdir=/tools/debian hexedit_1.2.12-3_i386.deb: http://mibbit.com/pb/zUMySb How do I fix this error? Or how do I change the default install directory for apt-get?
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19:09<Panarchy>(summarised everything said so far)
19:09<dondelelcaro>Panarchy: again, Ubuntu is not on topic here. Furthermore, the way you're trying to do what you're doing is silly, and isn't going to work.
19:10<Panarchy>But, is there a way to change the apt-get default install directory to something of my choosing?
19:10<dondelelcaro>Panarchy: use a real chroot with debootstrap if you want the packages to work. Otherwise, use dpkg-deb -x if you just want to unpack them.
19:10<dondelelcaro>Panarchy: yes, but again, it's totally insane to do so.
19:10<Panarchy>Why would I want to unpack them?
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19:10<dondelelcaro>Panarchy: I don't know what you're actually trying to do, so I couldn't tell you
19:10<Panarchy>Dondelelcaro: I know you're saying that it's insane, but I want to do it. So how can I?
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19:11<dondelelcaro>I don't help people do things that are going to hurt them; sorry.
19:11<Panarchy>dondelcaro: For instanced, when I type in: sudo apt-get install gedit | gedit would be installed into /debian/toolz
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19:11<dondelelcaro>why would you ever want to do that?
19:11<themill>Panarchy: chroot /debian/tools and then apt-get install gedit
19:12<dondelelcaro>if you want Debian versions of tools, use a chroot
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19:12<Panarchy>hmm, I'll give that a go. Thanks
19:13<themill>Panarchy: the chroot needs to be properly set up first though. That's what debootstrap does. That's why we've been telling you to use it.
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19:14<Panarchy>themill: Okay, just finished install debootstrap
19:15<Panarchy>Now what?
19:16<themill>The next step is you read it's manual page and the wiki page that the dpkg bot told you about earlier.
19:16<Panarchy>...
19:16<Panarchy>So you can't tell me the exact command to use?
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19:17<themill>Panarchy: why do you want me to read the manual pages for you?
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19:18<leovis_>hablo español
19:18<leovis_>quien habla español
19:18<themill>!es
19:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:18<Panarchy>themill: Just tell me the commands to use. Thanks
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19:19<themill>Panarchy: here are the first two: man debootstrap ; iceweasel http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap
19:20<leovis_>no se usar el xchat necesito ayuda por favor
19:20<Panarchy>If you are interested in setting up a chroot for building Debian packages, look at PBuilder.
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19:21<themill>Except that's not what you are planning to do.
19:22<Panarchy>It's not?
19:22<Panarchy>I thought you wanted me to use chroot?
19:23<azarh>Panarchy: are you used to people doing your work for you? rtfm
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19:23<themill>Panarchy: magic word in that sentence is "building"
19:23<blindguy74>: can someone point me in the right direction or help me install intel 3945 on debian
19:23<Panarchy>azarh: Isn't the whole point of going on IRC to get help?
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19:24<blindguy74>fyi i'm a noob at linux but learning fast
19:24<themill>blindguy74: sure. Are you using etch? lenny? and do you know what kernel you've got?
19:24<azarh>you've gotten links and man pages. That's the point of going on irc. Now it's up to you to rtfm, the point of irc isn't for someone to spend their time holding your hand because your to lazy to read.
19:24<Panarchy>blindguy74: use the uname command
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19:25<blindguy74>i belive it's lenny and kernel 2.6.18, does that sound right..
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19:26<blindguy74>ker 2.6.18-6-686
19:26<azarh>blindguy74 : type dmesg|head. it shows your kernel info there. Just wondering, are you using speakup/jaws or something similar?
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19:28<themill>blindguy74: lenny won't have a 2.6.18 kernel. Can you give us the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
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19:31<blindguy74>the output is il libc6 2.7-10 GNU Clibaray: shared
19:32<abrotman>blindguy74: is linux-image-2.6-686 installed ?
19:32<blindguy74>Adonno how to tell?
19:35<Panarchy>Please help me, here's my topic: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=35155
19:35<gravity>Not again
19:35<spande>dpkg -s linux-image-2.6-686
19:35<dpkg>Package: linux-image-2.6-686: Status: install ok installed
19:35<spande>tsk. not you, dpkg
19:36<abrotman>blindguy74: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6-686
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19:36*Panarchy goes back to work on his linux distribution [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -] - Please read my topic http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=35155 and reply [if you can!] - Thanks
19:37<gravity>You're actually making a distro?
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19:37<gravity>And you're trying to take Debian packages and bend them without understanding them?
19:37<abrotman>and why is he asking #debian ?
19:37<themill>gravity: are you scared yet?
19:38<gravity>themill: Hey, I don't have to run it :-)
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19:38<themill>abrotman: because he's trying to make some frankenbuntu and has dpkg-related questions and this is *obviously* the place to ask.
19:38<blindguy74>yes its installed
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19:38<abrotman>sounds like your system isn't up to date
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19:39<streuner>themill: frankenbuntu - hehe :-)
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19:40<themill>blindguy74: you might want to run: aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade
19:40<themill>blindguy74: tell us if that's going to upgrade lots of packages for you
19:40<blindguy74>brb
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19:44<blindguy74>it does a bunch of stuff the show the switched to use with aptitude
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19:50<dr|z3d>blindguy74: Sounds like you typed the command in wrong if it's showing you help info.
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19:51<azarh>hahahaha. I love the people who want to make a distro and think they're lete hx40rs who are going to be cool. and earn everyone's respect without knowing what they're doing. To bad life can't be like that.
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19:52<dr|z3d>Today's newb is tomorrow's expert. People have to start somewhere, azarh
19:52<SaintStewart><--- newb. can someone help me with installing Debian on an Aspire One?
19:53<abrotman>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne
19:53<SaintStewart>Specifically, I get the image on a usb drive, and it starts up fine, but the installer keeps looking for a CDROM and obviously there isnt one.
19:53<dr|z3d>If you're a newb, you might be better served with Ubuntu, or the Easy Peasy distro.
19:53<SaintStewart>Im a newb to getting Debian on the One, not to Linux. :P
19:53<SaintStewart>TY though. lol
19:54<abrotman>SaintStewart: the wiki doesn't help you?
19:54<craigevil>SaintStewart: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne?highlight=(One)|(Acer)
19:54<SaintStewart>No, Abrot. It assumes youre installing FROM Linux, and not Xp.
19:54<craigevil>oops too late :)
19:54*dr|z3d smiles.
19:54<SaintStewart>Yes, Ive been to the Wiki, TY all. lol
19:54<azarh>dr|z3d : sure they do, but do they have to indicate their stupidity on the way? hell, by the time someone walks him through their distro, they could've written their own OS for the time it would take because of his lack of wanting to read.
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19:56<dr|z3d>azarh: I have no idea of the context, but sure, some folk have their work cut out :)
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19:56<SaintStewart>The installer finds my network fine, and boots fine, it just keeps searching for a CDROM and I am unsure as to why, and how to stop it and or skip it. When I tell it to not look for a CDROM the installer tells me it cannot continure without one.
19:57*abrotman doesn't see what XP/linux has to do with setting up the installer stuff correctly
19:58<blindguy74>ok, i'm downloading a ton of stuff now
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19:58<SaintStewart>Because I cant quite open up a shell box and execute the "zcat" command in XP, now can I?
19:59<StatusQuote>SaintStewart: if the problem is that you don't have gnu tools on XP, you might try mingw http://www.mingw.org/
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19:59<dondelelcaro>StatusQuote: if you've followed the usb key instructions properly, then you've put a cdrom on the usb key
20:00<SaintStewart>I would tend to agree, yet....there it is. Or isnt, apparently.
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20:01<blindguy74>i'm a gnoob...:>
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20:03<blindguy74>roughly how long shoud this go for doing updates?
20:03<SaintStewart>I'll figure it out on my own. Thanks....
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20:04<dr|z3d>blindguy74: Depends on your connection speed and the number of updates needed.
20:04<StatusQuote>what's wrong with using mingw? he seemed to ignore that completely
20:05<dr|z3d>blindguy74: aptitude should give you an estimate of the time needed to download the updates.
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20:12<StatusQuote>d'oh! i should have said MSYS.. which is hosted at the same website, but isn't mingw
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20:34<azarh>blindguy74 : if your using ssh/jaws or something (I'm going to assume your blind from your nick) apt-get will show you the speed it's going. you can also see overall percentage, which lets you guestimate
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20:40<blindguy74>it's at get : 315
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20:50<gpb>ah... stable is sooooo boring
20:50<gpb>no updated packets in the last three days....
20:51<gpb>:->
20:51<yusuo>im having some troubles with debian
20:51<gpb>tell us which
20:51<yusuo>etch rc6
20:51<yusuo>im trying to save torrents to /media/media but its saying i dont have permission
20:51<yusuo>anyone please
20:52<abrotman>ls -dl /media/media/
20:52<gpb>please do a ls -la /media/media/.
20:52<gpb>please note the final dot .
20:53<gpb>oh, learned sth new... -d does it too
20:53<yusuo>drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 16384 1970-01-01 01:00 /media/media/
20:53<gpb>hmmm, looks like a FAT filesystem....
20:53<yusuo>it is
20:53<gpb>then you need to mount it correctly
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20:53<yusuo>i did via fstab
20:53<gpb>FAT doesn't know about users
20:54<gpb>what fstab entry do you have for it?
20:54<yusuo>/dev/hda4 /media/media vfat,ext3,ext2,reiserfs auto,users,exec 0 0
20:54<gpb>so mount assumes you only want it to be shown to root unless you tell it otherwise
20:54<abrotman>yusuo: are you trying to write as root?
20:54<yusuo>no i want to write as a user
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20:55<yusuo>how can i set it up so i have write access to the drive
20:55<abrotman>yusuo: you need to change the permissions on the mount point
20:55<yusuo>how would i do that
20:55<gpb>either add umask=001 or uid/gid settings
20:55<yusuo>sorry lost you there
20:56<yusuo>what do u mean
20:56<gpb>you need to tell mount to make it writeable for your user
20:56<abrotman>yusuo: chmod a+w /media/media/
20:56<gpb>will not work, abrotman
20:56<abrotman>works just fine here
20:56<gpb>didn't work for me a year ago....
20:56<yusuo>didnt work for me now
20:57<gpb>yusuo: so you can tell mount to either
20:57<yusuo>gpb how do i add umask=002 do i just add it to the end of the fstab
20:57<gpb>- make it writable for *everyone*
20:57<gpb>or
20:57<yusuo>i meant umask=001
20:57<gpb>- make it writable for a special group or secial person only
20:57<yusuo>i want to make it writable to everyone
20:57<gpb>yes
20:58<yusuo>so just on the end of fstab
20:58<gpb>with 001 you only say you have no executable files on it
20:58<yusuo>could u edit my entry to what it should be
20:58<gpb>000 if you want to execute files there
20:58<yusuo>/dev/hda4 /media/media vfat,ext3,ext2,reiserfs auto,users,exec 0 0
20:58<gpb>/dev/hda4 /media/media vfat,ext3,ext2,reiserfs auto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0
20:58<gpb>or
20:58<gpb>/dev/hda4 /media/media vfat,ext3,ext2,reiserfs auto,users,exec,umask=001 0 0
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20:59<yusuo>i want it so anyone can do anything on that partition
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20:59<gpb>is this always the same partition you mount there?
20:59<gpb>if yes please use
21:00<yusuo>brb just loggin off 2 secs
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21:00<blindguy74>it's now going through the setup process
21:00<abrotman>it'll take awhile
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21:00<yusuo>didnt work
21:00<gpb>/dev/hda4 /media/media vfat auto,users,exec,umask=001 0 0
21:00<gpb>hmmm
21:01<yusuo>still have no write access
21:01<gpb>did you remount it?
21:01<dr|z3d>blindguy74: Give it a few, it'll tell you when it's done.
21:01<yusuo>logged out and back in
21:01<gpb>umount /media/media && mount /media/media
21:01<gpb>logout doesn't umount file systems
21:01<yusuo>ummm ok
21:02<yusuo>now all the folders have turned into wierd items
21:02<Txt-file>how can I create my own debian-iso configured for my needs?
21:03<yusuo>gpb
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21:04<yusuo>its working i changed the umask= to 000
21:04<yusuo>but when i do the same with the other file i want to mount it wont let me write
21:05<yusuo>gpb u still around
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21:07<yusuo>can anyone help me with auto mounting vfat via fstab so i have permissions
21:09<enouf>yusuo: chown on the /mnt/point to username:usergroup then make /etc/fstab look like this; /dev/hdc1 /mnt/p1 vfat rw,user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 <--alter uid/gid accordingly
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21:10<yusuo>enouf sounds good but could you please talk a noob through it
21:10<enouf>yusuo: output of id -u says?
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21:11<yusuo>debian:/home/yusuo# id -u
21:11<yusuo>0
21:11<enouf>yusuo: make sure fat and vfat are loading prior to trying to mount, if not, list those two in /etc/modules - one per line
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21:12<enouf>yusuo: that's root, i want your userid:groupid .. become a/the regular user
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21:13<enouf>yusuo: the as a prompt gives it away (though one can alter that default) - a user will have a $ instead - only root will have a
21:13<enouf>oh ffs
21:13<yusuo>sorry
21:13<yusuo>but ure help is appreciated
21:13<enouf>yusuo: no, not you - my stupid irc client
21:14<enouf>Txt-file: /msg dpkg ccd
21:14<enouf>Txt-file: er /msg dpkg cdd
21:15<yusuo>ok i can write to these mounts just not the root of the mount only to the folders inside the mount
21:15<Txt-file>thanks enouf
21:16<Txt-file>enouf: will this work also for a liveCD?
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21:17<enouf>yusuo: as root "mkdir /mnt/vfatty" ; "sensible-editor /etc/fstab" change your--> "/dev/hda4 /media/media vfat,ext3,ext2,reiserfs auto,users,exec 0 0" to-> "/dev/hda4 /mnt/vfatty vfat rw,user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0"
21:18<enouf>chown -R username:groupname /mnt/vfatty
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21:19<enouf>if your userid/groupid == 1000 otherwise use the number 'id -u' returns when you are that user, whom you want to have rw perms on your vfat
21:20<enouf>Txt-file: see /msg dpkg live (for that)
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21:21<Txt-file>thank you ... I will try that stuff.
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21:22<yusuo>just trying that now 2 secs enouf
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21:25<yusuo>i changed the fstab as you said and everythings fine now
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21:29<Silent-X>Is there a way to make it so when a user does anything internet related, it uses a specific IPs, or assign an IP to a user?
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23:14<enouf>Silent-X: sounds you want to setup a proxy or something
23:17<NBaH>using two vga controller and two monitor, I'm wondering, whenever I logout from X to get back to TTY, if there's a way to shut down the extra card. I mean making it stop blinking.
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23:22<Silent-X>enouf: not really a proxy, wanted to make it so when they log in, if they connect to irc or anything, its from a specific ip
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23:26<dr|z3d>Silent-X: A proxy would do that just fine. A local proxy, for example.
23:29<Silent-X>hmm.. ill try that out, thanks enouf, dr|z3d
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23:31<dr|z3d>Squid might be a good place to start, Silent-X.
23:31<enouf>NBaH: you didn't need to logout from X to get to the TTYs
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23:31<enouf>s/didn't/don't
23:32<NBaH>enouf, yes, but I'm not using a Dislpay Manager, so when I logout, I get back to TTY.
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23:33<dr|z3d>NBaH: There's always slim, if you find GDM too top-heavy.
23:33<enouf>you still have X running on tty7 i bet
23:35<NBaH>enouf, let me see, I'm coming back...
23:35<enouf>NBaH: when in X, try ctrl-alt-[f1..6], then alt-f2, alt-f3
23:35*NBaH logs out
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23:37<eljefe>Anyone ever deal with a "Santa Cruz" audio card? We cannot get the sound to work under Testing
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23:38<Supaplex>eljefe: which device is it under lspci -nn ? maybe | grep -i audio
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23:39<NBaH>no, no more X running
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23:39<eljefe>its at my friend's house so i cannot right now, but I was hoping for some tips like that, Supaplex... would I then m-a a-i something to get it to work?
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23:42<Supaplex>!pciid
23:42<dpkg>To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives.
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23:42<Supaplex>eg,
23:42<Supaplex>!pciid 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] [10b7:9055] (rev 30)
23:42<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 10b7:9055 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
23:43<Supaplex>alias pci:v000010B7d00009055sv*sd*bc*sc*i* 3c59x
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23:43<Supaplex>I run that egrep string, and now I know 3c59x claims to run this hardware.
23:44<eljefe>whoa... ok so the egrep string will set up the 'alias pci:v000010B7d00009055sv*sd*bc*sc*i* 3c59x' stuff?
23:44<Supaplex>it will not setup. it'll just tell you what module to use
23:44<Supaplex>!modconf
23:44<dpkg>modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855, or note: already loaded modules will not be automatically added to /etc/modules
23:45<eljefe>hmm... i should test this first on my system :) to understand a bit better
23:45<eljefe>!pciid 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller [1002:437b] (rev 01)
23:45<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 1002:437b | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
23:46<Supaplex>alias pci:v00001002d0000437Bsv*sd*bc*sc*i* snd_hda_intel
23:46<eljefe>yeah insteresting, then i install the module $whatever that is listed at the end of the results from egrap?
23:46<eljefe>egrep
23:47<eljefe>so in my case snd_hda_intel
23:47<NBaH>enouf, If I go to tty using Ctrl-Alt-Fn, while X's running, every tty shows the same : default vga controller/monitor is nice tty, the other is blinking weird characters. That seems normal, but when X is off.
23:47<Supaplex>this egrep don't load. it only sniffs out what modules.alias says has support for it.
23:48<eljefe>yes
23:48<Supaplex>yea, modconf will add it to /etc/modules
23:48<eljefe>would m-a a-i snd_hda_intel do what I need? or, how do I fist install the module that I will then need to load?
23:48<eljefe>or just use modconf?
23:49<Supaplex>use modconf first.
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23:49<Supaplex>m-a compiles modules not already on your system (minus some mainstream modules that are not part of debain's standard release)
23:49<eljefe>so as root just run 'modconf $whatever'
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23:53<Supaplex>sure. modconf doesn't add it to /etc/modules though
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23:54<eljefe>ok so how would you suggest to do it?
23:54<Supaplex>$EDITOR or modconf
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23:54<eljefe>what does it do then? couldn't i modprobe it?
23:55<eljefe>!pciid 02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] [1013:6003] (rev 01)
23:55<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 1013:6003 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
23:56<eljefe>Supaplex we ran the above egrep and there is no output :(
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23:59<Supaplex>eljefe: what do you mean, what does it do?
23:59<Supaplex>alias pci:v00001013d00006003sv*sd*bc*sc*i* snd_cs46xx
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