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---Logopened Mon Jan 26 00:00:21 2009
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00:00<eljefe>doesn't appear on my system nor his system
00:00<Supaplex>eljefe: what kernel are you running?
00:00<eljefe>2.6.26-686 something
00:00<Supaplex>2.6.18 here
00:00<eljefe>hmmm
00:01<Supaplex>maybe modules.alias has a new format, or that driver just isn't on your system.
00:01<eljefe>i cannot apt-cache search for it either, nothing out there
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00:02<Supaplex>apt-file search cs46xx.ko
00:02<pablo_>alguien habla español
00:02<Supaplex>!es
00:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:03<eljefe>apt-file: command not found
00:03<Supaplex>it works better if you install it
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00:04<eljefe>lol never heard of it... but now that you gave me the result of the command I did find a bug report that suggested running " module-assistant -t a-i alsa-source " so we're trying that
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00:41<eljefe>Supaplex well the m-a a-i alsa-source finished but we cannot modprove that nor lsmod |grep -i snd
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00:43<Supaplex>Not sure how you came to the consulsion m-a was the thing to use.
00:44<Supaplex>bbiaf anyway.
00:44<eljefe>this bug report suggested it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476672
00:44<eljefe>bbiaf? how would you suggest doing it since we cannot seem to find the modules
00:45<Supaplex>dpkg: wtf bbiaf
00:45<dpkg>Gee... I don't know what bbiaf means...
00:45<Supaplex>mornic bot. :P
00:47<Supaplex>I don't know, but http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ may.
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01:06<eljefe>some info there a bit but nothing yet Supaplex. Thanks for the help. I am going to bed now
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01:25<Raspberry>hey gang -- I've got a question -- I finally got my RAID / LVM setup to boot GRUB, but now I'm stuck... grub "loads linux" but then doesn't boot the kernel... any thoughts? I'm able to get to the grub comman dline
01:25<Raspberry>but I think I found a bug with the Debian Installer
01:28<goodger>errr
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01:29<goodger>if grub tells you it's loading Linux, then it's loaded the kernel, because the kernel is named Linux
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01:29<jm_>grub 1 or 2?
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01:34<Raspberry>grub 1
01:34<Raspberry>I'm running etch
01:34<Raspberry>and I looked at the repos during install and I didn't see a grub2 package
01:34<Raspberry>etchnhalf actually
01:35<Raspberry>ok
01:35<Raspberry>so why doesn't it finish loading it :0
01:35<jm_>does it load both the kernel and initrd?
01:35<Raspberry>:) I mean -- it just hangs after loading it
01:36<Raspberry>I've loaded both manually via "c"
01:36<Raspberry>should I just try booting?
01:36<jm_>so manually it works? does it load the menu then?
01:36<Raspberry>it manually works
01:37<Raspberry>well atm it's "Waiting for root file system..."
01:37<Raspberry>which is on the LVM
01:37<jm_>right, that's not a grub problem, it's your kernel failed to mount /
01:37<Raspberry>well -- this is the first time I've made it this far :)
01:37<Raspberry>I've made a lot of progress in the last 4 hrs :)
01:38<[gloom]>hi there. Anyone know if openoffice 3.0 is going to be soon into sid?
01:38<Raspberry>if I restart the system and don't manually load initrd -- it hangs after loading Linux
01:38<Raspberry>should I boot off the NetInst / Rescue Disk?
01:39<Raspberry>and see if I can fix my problem(s)
01:39<jm_>openoffice 3.0 is in experimental
01:39<jm_>well that would be your only option now
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01:40<Raspberry>at least I have 1 option :) This is a fresh install... I've reinstalled Debian about 30 time sin the last 3 days trying to get this working... I've been running debian for ~12 years, but never played around with RAID + LVM configs -- so normally my break/fix stuff is fairly simple
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01:41<[gloom]>jm_: I think so. I was wondering if there's any problem with the inclusion in sid... I can't see any problem in the package information site
01:41-!-xlotlu is now known as Guest4
01:41<jm_>[gloom]: freeze
01:41<Raspberry>alright -- so I've started in rescue mode and chroot'd my lvm /
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01:42<Raspberry>so should I run grub-install (hd0) ?
01:42<Raspberry>to fix the initrd problem?
01:42<Raspberry>I can't seem to find a kernel newer than what I'm running...
01:43<Raspberry>I assumed that the kernel would load any lvm modules , but maybe I was wrong
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01:43<jm_>booting LVM setup is best done with a separate /boot partition not in LVM
01:43<Raspberry>yup
01:44<Raspberry>and that's what I've done... /dev/sda1 is /boot and /dev/sda2 is the phy LVM partition
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01:44<jm_>in that case you would not install GRUB on (md0)
01:44<Raspberry>you'd install i ton (hd0,0) :)
01:44<Raspberry>it's hardware raid
01:45<Raspberry>so linux is treating the two RAID1 arrays as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
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01:45<j-debian>is there anyone around me that could help me with a simple problem?
01:46<Raspberry>j-debian: ask it
01:46<j-debian>well, I'm trying to set up proftpd
01:46<j-debian>but the first time I tried, I installed it as inetd
01:46<j-debian>and I can't figure out how to install it standalone
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01:47<jm_>did debconf ask you about inetd/standalone?
01:47<j-debian>the first time I installed it
01:47<j-debian>I think...
01:47<jm_>try dpkg-reconfigure proftpd
01:47<j-debian>k
01:48<j-debian>thanks
01:48<j-debian>that worked
01:48<Raspberry>yup
01:48<j-debian>sorry, I'm rather new to running from command line
01:48<j-debian>although I managed to install lighttpd, postgresql, etc. fine
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01:49<Raspberry>hmmmm -- I don't seem to have any lvm support from the rescue
01:50<j-debian>uh, ?
01:50<Raspberry>ah there we go
01:51<Raspberry>had to mount /dev/mapper/*myvg*-usr /usr and so on...
01:53<Raspberry>hmm -- so how should I do this? grub-install --root-directory=/dev/mapper/myvg-root ?
01:54<Raspberry>you know, grub should really install bterm... kinda weird that it didn't
01:54<jm_>no, grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda or so
01:56<Raspberry>trying that... "no errors reporter"... it says that the contentent sof the device.map is (fd0) /dev/fd0 and (hd0) /dev/sda
01:56<jm_>right
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01:57<Raspberry>from within "grub" i did a device (hd0, ... and it told me 0,0 is my ext2fs (/boot) and part1 is "unknown" which is my LVM, so that's normal
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01:57<jm_>yeah "root in grub" should be your /boot
01:57<Raspberry>ah ok
01:57<Raspberry>that's confusing :)
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01:58<Raspberry>it's root for grub ;)
01:59<Raspberry>so ... should I do ... device (hd0) /dev/sda root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) ?
02:00<Raspberry>of should I be doing dpkg-reconfigure initramfs
02:00<jm_>why do you want to use 'device' command? why 'setup'?
02:01<Raspberry>i don't know because that's what the documentaiton says
02:01<Raspberry>I thought I have to make sure to tell it what device (hd0) should be defined as
02:01<Raspberry>I just ran setup (hd0) and it said everything succeeded
02:02<jm_>device used is to use some disk image as a drive in grub, setup installs grub which was already done with grub-install
02:03<Raspberry>hmm my /boot was mounted ro -- which is keeping dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools from updating
02:04<Raspberry>hmm boot isn't mounted ro -- I can write to it
02:04<Raspberry>weird
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02:05<Raspberry>hmm
02:05<Raspberry>none of the lvm packages were installed... wtf. you'd think the installer would do that
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02:07<Raspberry>now that the lvm-common and lvm2 packages are installed I'llsee what this does on reboot
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02:07<j-debian>ugh
02:07<j-debian>problems with proftpd
02:08<j-debian>Status: Server did not properly shut down TLS connection
02:08<j-debian>any ideas?
02:08<Raspberry>j-debian: are you running a secure connection?
02:08<j-debian>yes
02:08<Raspberry>have you generated a certificate?
02:08<j-debian>yes
02:08<Raspberry>have you validated that certificate?
02:08<j-debian>uh, I don't know
02:09<Raspberry>you seem to have the exact error... have you googled it?
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02:09<j-debian>no...I'm lazy, let me do that
02:09<j-debian>heh
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02:12<Raspberry>ugh... "waiting for root filesystem" again
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02:13<Raspberry>hmm looks like maybe a "update-initramfs -k all -u will fix it
02:15<j-debian>why isn't proftpd closing the tls connection?
02:17<Raspberry>not sure
02:17<Raspberry>have you checked the proftpd error logs in /var/log
02:19<j-debian>proftpd seems to be alright
02:19<j-debian>ugh
02:20<j-debian>the proftpd problem is fixed in cvs
02:20<j-debian>but not released yet
02:20<j-debian>:|
02:20<Raspberry>typical open source developers :p
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02:20<Raspberry>the end to global hunger is fixed in cvs
02:22<Raspberry>hmm apparently there's a bug in update-initramfs that doesn't pickup the remount ro and treats it like a ro
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02:25<j-debian>guess I have to run unsecure for now D:
02:25<jm_>how about trying another FTP daemon instead?
02:26<j-debian>nah
02:26<j-debian>it is my client that is causing the trouble, but I really like FileZilla
02:27<j-debian>there seems to be a patch, would I just replace the old mod_tls.c file with the patch?
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02:29<Raspberry>whoops -- i was forgetting the root=/dev/mapper stuff after the kernel in grub
02:31<Raspberry>hmm -- I even did kernel /vm... blah blah blah.... root=/dev/mapper/vm-root ro
02:32<Raspberry>still doesn't work... "Waiting for root file system"
02:32<Raspberry>ugh
02:33<Raspberry>the /etc/fstab looks good -- so I'm not sure what's going on ... time to do more reading I gues s:)
02:33<jm_>you'd need to read kernel output to find out what goes wrong
02:34<Raspberry>i don't see anything in the kernel that looks bad
02:35<Raspberry>Mounting root file system... Running /scripts/local-top ... Done. .... Waiting for root file system
02:35<jm_>there must be something missing so it can't find real / (that's initrd /)
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02:41<Raspberry>hmm
02:41<Raspberry>and initrd won't update
02:42<Raspberry>because it thinks /boot is read only
02:42<j-debian>does anyone know of a good ftp client for windows?
02:43<Raspberry>filezilla
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02:43<Raspberry>or fireftp (firefox addon)
02:43<j-debian>filezilla is what I'm having trouble with :(
02:43<Raspberry>you've got nothing but problems tonight
02:43<jm_>I use FAR builtin FTP
02:43<j-debian>I don't usually ask questions when I get things right :P
02:44<jm_>maybe update initrd tool is looking in in /etc/mtab or so
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02:47<Raspberry>hmm
02:47<Raspberry>i wish I could do this remotely
02:47<Raspberry>I hate sitting @ the server setup desk :p
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03:04<karthik>hi can any one tell me what are the alternative software for autocad,catia in debian
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03:10<kingsley>karthik: Try this command to find out... apt-cache search CAD | grep CAD
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03:11<karthik>kingsley, i have got list of packages
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03:12<j-debian>ugh
03:12<j-debian>I'm not getting a listing of files when I'm using fireftp
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03:13<karthik>kingsley, in the list of packages i didnt got any alternative
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03:15<j-debian>ugh
03:16<j-debian>when I connect via ftp I get a directory that is empty
03:16<j-debian>but I can upload to it
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03:18<j-debian>it seems I can only access my home directory, why can't I access my whole server?
03:18<weasel>because that's how it works.
03:18<weasel>also, you shouldn't use FTP anyway.
03:18<j-debian>ugh, stupid me
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03:19<j-debian>all I want to do is download a conf file so I can edit it with editplus because I'm not comfortable with vim
03:20<kingsley>karthik: See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=228890
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03:21<Supaplex>j-debian: sftp > plain text ftp
03:21<j-debian>I'm using TLS
03:21<j-debian>if I can only access my home directory, how do I upload stuff to my web directory?
03:21<j-debian>ugh, I fail at linux
03:21<Supaplex>that's good. not sure why ftp isn't working. permissions?
03:21<Supaplex>!tell j-debian -about grounding
03:22<j-debian>no, it is...
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03:24<Supaplex>j-debian: how about /tmp ?
03:24<j-debian>what do you mean?
03:25<Supaplex>try uploading a file to /tmp to test
03:25<weasel>j-debian: upload it to your home
03:25<j-debian>I can upload stuff to my home
03:25<weasel>j-debian: then log into the server and copy it to the correct place using sudo or as root
03:25<j-debian>oh
03:25<j-debian>ok
03:25<j-debian>more work than just uploading crap where I want it, meh
03:26<j-debian>I'm used to shared "hold-your-hand" hosting
03:26<Supaplex>j-debian: weasel has a sound idea there.
03:26<weasel>then maybe that's what you should get
03:26<j-debian>heh
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03:28<j-debian>so I can't get to /var/www through ftp?
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03:31<NBaH>I'm using two vga controllers, and two monitors. As I'm not using a Display Manager (and I don't want to use one), when I _logout_ from X (I get back to tty) the "extra" controller/monitor keeps on blinking weird characters. - Is there a way to switch off the vga card?
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03:32<ab>hello
03:33<akb4>hi all. I'm part of upstream for a package in sid. I want to write a set of directions for people on etch and lenny systems to install it. I'm hesitant to suggest they put sid into sources.list, as I don't want to lead them down the path of inadvertantly creating very mixed systems. I suspect apt-get can't be made to handle the package without sid being in the apt package pools. So is the correct method then to tell them to wget the .
03:33<ab>list
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03:34<akb4>NBaH: I have no really useful suggestions, but I am curious: what does the other screen look like before you fire up X?
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03:37<moldor>Hi - I've just downloaded the latest debian live CD - is it possible to do a hard drive install from this ?
03:37<jm_>moldor: yes
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03:38<moldor>jm_ Just boot from it or is there a specific script to run (debian newbie, sorry)
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03:39<NBaH>akb4, it blinks weird colored characters (like wingdings), the same as I go back to tty by using Ctrl-Alt-Fn, but X doesn't run.
03:39<jm_>moldor: debootstrap, it's covered by the debian installation manual
03:39<moldor>jm_: Yes, RTFM... I will do so now... thanks..
03:40<jm_>moldor: you'd want to, several manual steps involed
03:41<moldor>jm_: Ah, thanks. Thoiught I could install under VMWare on the Mac for testing before I switch it over to Debian exclusively
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03:42<NBaH>akb4, the other shows nice tty
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03:45<Raspberry>hmm
03:45<NBaH>akb4, while I'm in X, both show extended desktop
03:45<Raspberry>if I'm being told /boot is readonly so the system won't update initrd what can I do?
03:47<jm_>Raspberry: find out what says that
03:48<Raspberry>update-initramfs says that
03:48<j-debian>so, how would I get access to my web root with ftp?
03:48<jm_>is update-initramfs a shell script?
03:49<Raspberry>yes
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03:49<jm_>run it with sh -x, see where it barfs, copy to /tmp, edit the script
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03:50<Raspberry>boot_opts=$(awk '/boot/{if (match($4, /ro/) and so on line that barfs
03:50<jm_>just bypas it
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03:51<Raspberry>i just # out the exit 0 line
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03:52<Raspberry>it generated it
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03:53<Raspberry>it's a lot bigger than the old one
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03:54<Raspberry>does that mean it'll find my root partition or is there something else I should do prior to restarting again :0
03:54<Raspberry>i'm slipping on the smilies tonight ... that :0 should be a :)
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03:55<Raspberry>people are saying that I potentially have to edit my /etc/fstab and change the /dev/mapper stuff to LABEL=whatever
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04:02<Raspberry>now it says my volume group "summit" isn't found -- summit being the name I gave the volume group
04:03<Raspberry>device-mapper: uevent: version 1.0.3
04:03<Raspberry>device-mapper: ioctl: 4.12.0-ioctl (2007-10-02) initialised
04:03<Raspberry>then once again... Waiting for root file system...
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04:11<Raspberry>i wonder if it's not starting because I don't have mdadm mdrun installed because I'm not using osftware raid
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04:11<Raspberry>they show up as prerequests in the /scripts folder
04:12<Raspberry>apparently you need to add "rootdelay 10" to GRUB otherwise it doesn't mount in time
04:12<Raspberry>I just ran the lvm script by hand in the initramfs busybox and now it says my 6 local voumes are active
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04:18<Raspberry>whew... what a chore -- I spent about 20 hrs trying to get this new server bootable in the last 3 days
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04:45<zorked>hi
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04:51<markoff>p
04:51<markoff>:)
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05:10<scientes_>rhow do i keep pon (pppoe) from changing my /etc/resolve.conf?
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05:11<themill>!fixresolvconf
05:11<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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05:12<themill>scientes_: ^^ depends on how pon is fiddling with your resolv.conf. I think it's compatible with the resolvconf package so try going down that path.
05:12<scientes_>no resolveconf
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05:16<OdyX>Hi. I am about to install Debian on an AspireOne (Acer), with SSD Harddisk...
05:16<jm_>use "usepeerdns" PPP option
05:16<OdyX>what would you advice for filesystem ?
05:18<themill>jm_: wouldn't that encourage pon to change the resolv.conf? (it's years since I looked at ppp config...)
05:19<jm_>themill: you're probably right, I was thinking this is the same as other options where you can say "nofoo", but in this case I suppose it defaults to off, worth checkinf if it's enabled though
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05:19<themill>ahh, yeah
05:20<morphium>hi do i check wether my CPU is a 64bit one?
05:21<jm_>morphium: read the specs for your particular model
05:21<OdyX>morphium: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -w lm
05:22<morphium>flag lm stands for 64bit?
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05:27<jm_>wow, they could have hardly picked a shittier name for such a flag
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05:28<OdyX>morphium: I think it "long memory"...
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05:29<jm_>from cpuid: long mode (AA-64) = true
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05:29*themill wonders if we're going to start getting "lengthen your memory" spam
05:30<OdyX>"long mode" that was not that far :->
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05:41<jurg>Anyone besides me experiencing problems with fglrx recently?
05:42<jurg>Or, X in general on Debian Testing?
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05:43<jurg>Xorg.0.log says it can't open /dev/dri/card0
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05:43<themill>jurg: there was a recent fglrx update in lenny. Did you rebuild the module after that?
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05:44<jurg>themill: Yup, and the error persists with the "ati" driver.
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05:45<the-me>that has nothing to do with fglrx then.
05:45<themill>jurg: in which case it's very confused indeed. By the time it decides to use the ati driver, it's too late to get fglrx working. You may need to specify the driver manually in your xorg.conf to get it work.
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05:45<jurg>themill: Thats what I'm doing.
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05:46<the-me>jurg, but you may remove fglrx completly before you are using another driver, because your libGL is replaced with the private fglrx one
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05:46<themill>jurg: then you're doing it wrong.... there is no way it will use the ati driver if you've specified fglrx correctly. (unless, *perhaps* it can't find fglrx because it's not built properly)
05:47<the-me>themill, not realy, seeing my libGL statement
05:47<themill>the-me: err, no. If you have specified "fglrx" then xorg won't try to use "ati".
05:48<jm_>but it may still use wrong libs, since they have the same filename
05:48*LE_lapin hops
05:48<themill>yes, but that's the opposite problem
05:48<jurg>themill: I've specified both fglrx AND ati, and neither works properly.
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05:49<themill>jurg: you can't just switch between them like that though, which is the point that the-me was making
05:49<the-me>themill, dri with ati/radeon/radeonhd will not work with the fglrx libGL one
05:49<the-me>and fglrx diverts the mesa libGL
05:49<jurg>Kk, i'll try to remove some stuff then.
05:49<jm_>yeah just like for nvidia (except the problem there is less pronounced since nv doesn't do 3D at all)
05:50<themill>the-me: but if xorg.conf has Driver "fglrx" then it's not going to try to use ati/radeon/radeonhd. That's a totally orthogonal problem.
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05:50<the-me>themill, this case is right, yes.
05:50<jm_>I think that was related to the fact that he also tried using at driver which failed
05:51<jm_>ati too
05:51*themill wishes that modinfo fglrx would actually tell you what version of the module was being used :(
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05:52<themill>jurg: have a look at the output of "dpkg -l '*fglrx*'|grep ^.i" and make sure they all have the version 1:8-12-4.
05:52<themill>(if you want to persist with fglrx)
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05:55<themill>the-me: rereading jurg's first few lines, I think I interpreted what he said incorrectly and you were right about what he was saying... sorry!
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05:56<the-me>themill, no problem :)
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05:58<jurg>the-me / themill: Thanks, got it working with the ati driver atleast.
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05:58<themill>:)
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06:17<unlike>heh touchpad tapping
06:17<unlike>i hate touchpad tapping
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06:18<unlike>hey anyone know what i can do about like irc backdoor or worm or something
06:18<unlike>my network light keeps blinking
06:18<unlike>it's driving me crazy
06:18<petern>what's odd about that?
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06:18<unlike>heh
06:19<unlike>you got one too
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06:19<lancelot_of>is the syslogd strictly necessary to reach kernel logs when needed?
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06:19<karthik>hi any one can tell me where is the default shutdown code present
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06:20<karthik>hi any one can tell me where is the default shutdown code present in debian filesystem
06:20<unlike>#shutdown now
06:20<unlike>i think
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06:21<karthik>unlike, i want to see the code of the shutdown file
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06:21<Kuan>+now
06:21<petemc>apt-get source sysvinit
06:21<padski>karthik, apt-file find /sbin/shutdown
06:22<karthik>ok
06:24<enouf>NBaH: well, was sleeping - anyway, i still don't understand what the issue is - every tty should look the same (except the one X is on, ofcourse) do; ps aux | egrep 'X|tty|vt7' ; ps aux | grep pts
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06:25<mostafadn>hey guys
06:25<mostafadn>I've got a problem with X
06:25<mostafadn>it crashes and the log for Xorg says that I830WaitLpRing has crashed
06:26<mostafadn>I've searched through websites in hope of finding the solution but it seems that there is no solution at all
06:26<mostafadn>I'm using Lenny on a Toshiba Tecra A7 laptop
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06:29<mostafadn>Could you please help me
06:29<mostafadn>:D
06:30<morphium>yes. there's obviously no solution, so buy a new one and send the old one to me
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06:30<Kuan>X-D
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06:31<NBaH>enouf, while I'm X is on, the first command prints a lot of lines, and the second three lines showing bash, ps aux and grep pts. I have to logout to see without X.
06:32*NBaH is back in a few minutes
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06:35<amol>hi to all,i am trying to do raid confiuration but i am getting error as The kernel RAID status file /proc/mdstat does not exist on your system
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06:37<unlike>hello i think my computer got botnetted can someone help
06:37<metalqga>amol follow this
06:37<metalqga>https://alioth.debian.org/frs/?group_id=30283
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06:37<petemc>unlike: if you're basing that on your network card light flashing theres a good chance you're wrong
06:37<petemc>unlike: you can use netstat to see any network connections your machine is making
06:37<NBaH>enouf, once X off the first command don't show as much lines as previously (with X on), there's no more X in them. And right monitor still happily blinks ^^
06:38<NBaH>enouf, and the second command, just shows grep pts
06:38<bobbybutt>unlike, what is "botnetted"
06:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 370] by debhelper
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06:41<jm_>NBaH: but didn't you say it's like that even before you start X?
06:41<unlike>i don't know i'm just guessing
06:41<blockowitsch>hello. is it possible to set a system wide (socks) proxy in debian/linux?
06:42<amol>metalqga, thanks
06:42<padski>unlike, what has happened for you to guess so ?
06:43<blockowitsch>also, is it possible to route dns queries through a socks proxy?
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06:43<unlike>well, my computer is receiving 64 byte blips constantly from the moment i connect to the internet
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06:43<unlike>no browser or anything
06:43<unlike>just when i plug it in
06:43<unlike>the cable
06:44<unlike>i looked at netstat but i can't read it
06:44<blockowitsch>how do you see that you get 64bytes?
06:44<unlike>i don't know what that stuff means
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06:44<blockowitsch>on which port is the data comming?
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06:44<bobbybutt>use wireshark
06:44<unlike>i don't know it doesn' show up on my firewall
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06:45<unlike>my system monitor shows the activity
06:46<unlike>61byte blips
06:46<NBaH>jm_, no when I turn my computer on, I fall on tty where I login, where I can startx. Then secondary card comes up, and then desktop extend on both monitors.
06:46<unlike>61 byte/s
06:46<unlike>i don't know what port
06:46<jm_>NBaH: but what's the state of 2nd monitor *before* X runs?
06:46<NBaH>jm_, blank
06:47<jm_>NBaH: right, so X probably doesn't restore it properly, try playing with savetextmode and its restore friend (hopefully it supports doing this for 2nd card)
06:47<unlike>there's something on my network devices IPv6 fe80::20d:56ff:fe72:a0b0
06:48<unlike>which i don't recognize
06:48<unlike>but i don't know
06:48<unlike>it never used to blink
06:48<unlike>except when i had a browser open or something
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06:51<unlike>o cool i'm getting wireshark
06:51<unlike>thanks
06:51<unlike>didn't see that
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06:57<unlike>o man so much reading
06:57<unlike>maybe i'll just live with it
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07:01<enouf>NBaH: i guess i just don't know whether or not you're using nvidia/ati, or a xorg driver, .. nor which type of .. oh wait; 2x Cards + 2x Monitors -> 1 Desktop/1 Xserver? or ...
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07:01<petemc>unlike: you can use iptraf to show network activity
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07:08<NBaH>enouf, you're right : 2cards + 2 monitors -> 1 Desktop/1 Xserver. The first card is an Nvidia, the second one is 3dfx.
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07:09<karthik>hi any one can say me how to change the name of the default shutdown in debian
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07:09*NBaH reads savetextmode man page
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07:10<jm_>karthik: what?
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07:12<karthik>jm_, i want to replace the name of shutdown in the menu
07:12<enouf>NBaH: i really can't tell offhand, .. though i could guess a bit, they'd be wild assed guesses, so atleast i understand your situation a bit better though (and so do others)
07:15<NBaH>I'm going to try savetextmode. This comes with svgalib-bin, right?
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07:16<jm_>karthik: depends what apps you're using
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07:16<padski>karthik, out of interest, what do you want to call it ?
07:17<michel>Est un chat en français?
07:17<avu>!fr
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07:17<michel>dpkg, merci
07:17<dpkg>methinks merci is thanks in french
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07:19<karthik>padski, i am building a distro in telugu language i cant find the file where i have to place my telugu font.
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07:21<padski>karthik, perhaps see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/l10n.html
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07:23<padski>karthik, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/
07:23<NBaH>!savetextmode
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07:24<karthik>padski, i have tried it but it is not helpful for shutdown,,logoff and reboot etc
07:25<unlike>lol what you going to change it to "ls"?
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07:26<padski>karthik, try #debian-i18n
07:27<karthik>ok
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07:53<marcot>Hello, is there a way to tell dpkg to install a local .deb and grab the dependencies from the local directory?
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07:53<marcot>Or do I have to use apt, and configure sources.list to do this?
07:53<jm_>marcot: you need to use apt, or if you have just the stuff you need, dpkg -i *.deb
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07:54<marcot>jm_: no, there're some other things in the directory, so I think I'll use apt.
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08:45<NBaH>well, savetextmode does not help. If I read well svgalib doesn't have support for nvidia graphic cards... I'll try to change boot order at next restart. It's too late now, I'm gonig to
08:45*NBaH snores
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08:47<jm_>it deepnds - it lacks support for many modern cards, but it can do the basic VGA registers just fine
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09:06<screenn>has anyone an experience with endocing video for samsung t10 mp3 player?
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09:08<metalqga>there is a nice program w8 a moment
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09:09<metalqga>mmc (havent tried it specifically with your player) but works great!
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09:13<crunchbang-tawan>spotchat
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09:27<metalqga>screenn how is it?
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09:29<screenn>metalqga so, did you hear about svi format before?
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09:29<metalqga>no[e
09:29<metalqga>nope*
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09:30<metalqga>sounds like avi :P
09:31<screenn>same with some difference, I don't know how to convert video to that format :(
09:31<screenn>I use avidemux usually,
09:32<screenn>I can convert avi files with that, you know
09:32<screenn>but, it's not supported format for sumsung t10 mp3player
09:33<metalqga>http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/svi
09:33<metalqga>Samsung Media Studio, I hope it runs with wine
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09:46<christoph>Hi all! does anyone know an LaTeX-Users IRC channel?
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09:46<petemc>try #latex on freenode
09:46<OdyX>christoph: #latex on Freenode ?
09:46<Gekz>hah
09:46<Gekz>fast.
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09:47<christoph>OdyX, thx
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10:10<Xptha>hello evrybody
10:10<Xptha>pls help finding this file: http://people.debian.org/~bao/cfdebian.tar.gz it's not availabla anymore
10:11<Xptha>nobody here ?
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10:20<Xptha>someone could help me with a question about embedded debian ?
10:20<marcot>Xptha: #emdebian
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10:21<Matic>Hi, am trying to use cd/Dvd creator on my ubuntu but after clicking on the write disk button, the burn progress dialog disappears, why this?
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10:22<dr|z3d>Matic: Try another burner app. K3b or Brasero.
10:23<metalqga>!ubuntu
10:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:24<Matic>dr|z3d, ok, but do you have an idea why it behaves like that
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10:25<dr|z3d>None whatsoever, Matic. Try another burning app, and/or give #ubuntu a go.
10:26<metalqga>matic prolly because you don't enjoy reading
10:27<Matic>metalqga, the channel is silent as a valley stream!
10:27<Xptha>does anybody here still own the file: cfdebian.tar.gz downloaded from: debian bao's home dir ?
10:28<stew>Matic: with over 1000 people, #ubuntu is the most populated channel on freenode, i can't imagine it is silent
10:28<metalqga>and still you don't understand what dpkg told you
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10:30<Matic>metalqga, stew, dpkg, am sorry guys av been there's only one user who is not even responding, anyway I will try later
10:30<stew>Matic: what is your name there?
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10:30<stew>Matic: only one user? you are on the wrong channel or are on the wrong network then
10:30<Matic>stew, Matic
10:30<stew>Matic: [freenode] -!- There is no such nick Matic
10:31<Matic>stew, ok tell me how to get there
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10:31<metalqga>we, are using debian, so we can't tell you why that program doesn't work for you in ubuntu, all we can do is suggest try another program, so read what dr|z3d said
10:31<stew>Matic: it would depend on the irc client you are using. generally it would be "/connect irc.freenode.net" then "/join #ubuntu"
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10:32<Hydroxide>metalqga: I think he realizes that now. we're trying to help him get to #ubuntu/freenode.
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10:35<metalqga>Hydroxide I didn't mean to offend him... tried to explain why we can't help him, and that it would be faster if he asks in the appropriate channel
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10:35<Hydroxide>metalqga: ya, no worries.
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10:37<Lokke>help i can't join #debian.de MESSAGE: Kann #debian.de nicht betreten (Du bist gebannt). ((TRANCELATE:)) Can't join #debian.de you are banned =( why!?
10:37<screenn>metalqga thanks, now I can convert to svi with mencoder :)
10:38<nosklo>Lokke, Because you're a bad guy?
10:38<Lokke>no
10:38<stew>10:38 [oftc] -!- 0 - #debian.de: ban *!*admin*@* [by ChanServ!services@services.oftc.net,
10:38<Lokke>i need help only =(
10:38<stew>Lokke: becuase your name is 'administr'
10:39<Lokke>ohh this is my username @ ubuntu ^^
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10:40<Lokke>now?
10:40<Lokke>w8 i come back
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10:41<Lokke>re,
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10:41<Lokke>wow it works =)
10:42<Lokke>thx stew
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10:42<metalqga>banne-bannette-gebannt?
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10:50<orochi>hello :> can anyone recommend a good server/daemon for streaming audio, such as ogg or mp3? myself and a friend of mine were thinking of setting up a small net-radio setup with a mix of live and donated indie music, we're looking for something that will be accessible to as many platforms as possible
10:50<dr|z3d>orochi: Sure, try shoutcast.
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10:51<orochi>dr|z3d: Ahh, that I had been looking up, I'll have to check out their site :> someone else had mentioned icecast but i've never heard of it
10:51<orochi>thanks
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10:52<Lemonzest>just a heads up, where's mandriva 2008.1 hangs on wake from sleep, lenny was perfect :D
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10:53<dr|z3d>orochi: Icecast or shoutcast, more or less the same deal.
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11:19<fantonio_br>hi
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11:22<fantonio_br>what a step by step to create deb package apache
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11:22<fantonio_br> What is a link where I find a way to create
11:23<stew>fantonio_br: you want to create a deb package of the apache web server?
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11:23<fantonio_br>yeah
11:23<fantonio_br>stew: yes
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11:23<stew>fantonio_br: why wouldn't you just use the apache2 packages already in debian?
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11:25<fantonio_br>stew: Because I need to add generating my settings.
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11:25<stew>fantonio_br: which settings?
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11:28<stew>fantonio_br: well, to answer your original question, the new maintainer's guide ("/msg dpkg mg" or in the maint-guide package) is the guide to making packages, though apache is complicated and would not be recommended for repackaging
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11:28<fantonio_br>stew: The settings of the source code
11:28<stew>fantonio_br: can you give me an example of what you might change?
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11:29<crazyb0y>fantonio_br: i think you are new in debian, and don;t know how to setup the packages and settings for apache which you want
11:29<stew>fantonio_br: i'm guessing that there is a better way to do whatever it is you are trying to accomplish
11:29<crazyb0y>=)
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11:30<metalqga>fxiny!
11:30<fantonio_br>For the compilation of apache do this: $ ./configure --enable-layout=Debian --enable-modules=all --enable-mods-shared=all --with-mpm=worker --enable-so --with-program-name=apache2
11:30<crazyb0y>fantonio_br: all the settings you need, are available and with packages
11:30<crazyb0y>=)
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11:32<boris_>hello
11:33<fantonio_br> crazyb0y: yes
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11:33<fxiny>metalqga: yes ?
11:33<fantonio_br> crazyb0y: but has a few more three lines
11:34<boris_>i have just installed debian 4.0 r6 - with desktop environment. In desktop i have no problem but when i type ifconfig eth0 gives me info: command not found. Anyone help?
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11:34<fantonio_br> crazyb0y: of configuration
11:34<metalqga>hi?
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11:36<crazyb0y>fantonio_br: show us them
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11:36<crazyb0y>boris_: boris_: try sudo /sbin/ifconfig =p
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11:37<fantonio_br>crazyb0y: ok
11:37<boris_>device not found
11:37<crazyb0y>boris_: 'sudo /sbin/ifconfig'
11:37<crazyb0y>fantonio_br: take a look at: aptitude search libapache2
11:38<themill>no need for sudo in that command....
11:38<boris_>:) now ok
11:38<crazyb0y>themill: he is working from the Konsole =) that's the reason i gave him this syntax
11:38<fantonio_br>crazyb0y: http://pastebin.com/m4f11332d
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11:39<boris_>is there a way (link) to just type ifconfig (not whole path everytime)
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11:39<crazyb0y>fantonio_br: i think you can use it at all from package =))
11:39<themill>boris_: yes, stick /sbin in the user's $PATH. /msg dpkg dotfiles
11:40<fantonio_br>crazyb0y: I understand, but as I have set them all later?
11:41<themill>crazyb0y: what does konsole have to do with it?
11:41<crazyb0y>themill: what do you mean ?
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11:41<boris_> @themill: how?
11:42<themill>crazyb0y: if you just want to run ifconfig to look at the network configuration (not to change it) then you don't need root privileges. You just need to run /sbin/ifconfig. sudo is not required no matter whether you are running it in konsole or anywhere else
11:42<crazyb0y>themill: sure =) i know it =)
11:43<themill>crazyb0y: so why tell him to use sudo?
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11:43<crazyb0y>themill: because i was thinking that he wants to change something there
11:43<crazyb0y>my mistake
11:43<fxiny>can't remember who told me here LUKS+suspend can end with data loss , was it wekt ? or maybe someonelse . anyway i found a nice suggestion in the tubes
11:43<themill>boris_: typically, you would add something like export PATH=$PATH:/sbin to ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile, depending on how you have your bash startup files arranged.
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11:44<themill>crazyb0y: in that case, also remember that, by default. sudo is neither installed nor configured in debian. This isn't #ubuntu :(
11:44<fantonio_br>crazyb0y: I installed by apt
11:45<crazyb0y>themill: ok thanks, sorry for annoying you
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11:46<themill>crazyb0y: hey... no worries! Just hoping to help you help others better :)
11:46<crazyb0y>themill: yes i know =) but i'm carefull with ppl who knows more than me =))) and i'm respecting them =P
11:47<crazyb0y>themill: 2 weeks in the office we are giving support to company which uses ubuntu, and i'm confused now what happens in my mind (sorry for offtopic) hehe
11:48<themill>crazyb0y: heh... you poor bugger
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11:48<fxiny>crazyb0y: are you the same crazyb0y ?
11:48<crazyb0y>fxiny: i;m crazyb0y =)
11:48<fxiny>i sonmetimes confuse nicks :))
11:49<crazyb0y>fxiny: it's me =))) hehe
11:49<fxiny>crazyb0y: hahah nice to hear you again :)
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11:50<crazyb0y>fxiny: me too =) back after long break here =))) now more free time for irciing =))
11:50<fxiny>crazyb0y: good !
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11:52<crazyb0y>fantonio_br: you ready with the apache setup ?
11:53<fantonio_br>crazyb0y: Not understand
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12:01<josue>hola
12:01<Cesarino>can i get some help with debian?
12:01<boris_>themill: i have put "export PATH=$PATH:/sbin to both bashrc and .bash_profile none work for just "ifconfig". But when i enter "sudo ifconfig" it work even without "export...." line. I would like just typing "ifconfig" in console to see info for card? Is it possible?
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12:02<themill>boris_: did you open a new terminal having made that change?
12:02<boris_>yes
12:03<hahnp>themill: did you put it into .bashrc?
12:03<boris_>yes
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12:03<hahnp>have you opened a new terminal session?
12:03<boris_>now it works
12:03<Cesarino>Try logout
12:03<boris_>thank you
12:03<Cesarino>with the user
12:04<chealer>!tell Cesarino about ask
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12:04<Cesarino>thx
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12:09<Cesarino>hi
12:09<Cesarino>have a problem with putty
12:10<hahnp>whats up?
12:10<Cesarino>i change the sshd_config file, the port to 110, ssh restart, can't login with putty on that port, but with mac and other linux os, i can
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12:12<hahnp>you have changed the port you connect do with putty i hope
12:12<Cesarino>yes
12:12<Cesarino>port is on 110
12:12<fxiny>110 ?
12:12<fxiny>is pop3
12:12<Cesarino>yes i know
12:13<Cesarino>is to make a tunnel behind a firewall
12:13<themill>fxiny: it's also generally not firewalled and can make an alternative to 22 if you want some other non-standard port.
12:13<fxiny>themill: i see now
12:13<themill>ugly but effective
12:13<fxiny>very ugly
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12:15<Cesarino>must i delete a key?
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12:15<hahnp>u can try
12:16<Cesarino>where are they located in linux?
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12:17<hahnp>/etc/ssh
12:17<hahnp>but i think you have to delete the key on your putty using mashine
12:17<Cesarino>ok
12:17<themill>Cesarino: are you using putty on linux or putty on windows?
12:18<Cesarino>on windows
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12:19<Cesarino>witch file is it on windows?
12:19<axisr9>if i have two files ONE.TXT and TWO.TXT -- and ONE.TXT contains a list of numbers from 50 to 60.. each number on a new line.. and then TWO.TXT contains a list of numbers from 80 to 90, each number on a new line...... how can i basically read one line from one.txt, then read one line from TWO.TXT and so forth? with the bash shell.. anyone know?
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12:20<hahnp>Cesarino: should be somewhere in the registry i think
12:21<themill>Cesarino: Are you sure that this windows machine can actually reach the ssh server on port 110?
12:21<Cesarino>yes
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12:22<Cesarino>i do it whith my mac
12:22<fxiny>axisr9: anytime i see lists files i don't think bash but awk
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12:24<diablo>msg XDCC|Aniota xdcc send BF6EA79A
12:24<themill>Cesarino: no idea then... this sounds like a putty problem so you might have more joy trying to find putty people to ask
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12:25<Cesarino>ok
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12:25<themill>axisr9: If you can guarantee there's no other whitespace in each line, paste one.txt two.txt| while read foo bar; do echo "foo=$foo bar=$bar"; done
12:25<hahnp>Cesarino: theres something in the registry
12:25<Cesarino>ok, thx
12:25<themill>axisr9: if there might be other whitespace, then perhaps use the null character as the delimieter -- "man paste" and "help read" for details.
12:26<fxiny>themill: you are wierd !
12:26<hahnp>hkey_currend_user->Simon Tatham->putty
12:26<jkoenig>axisr9: if i'm not mistaken: (while read a <&3 && reab b <&4; do ...; done) 3<a.txt 4<b.txt
12:26<themill>fxiny: but you new that already
12:26<themill>*knew
12:26<fxiny>themill: yes :)
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12:26<jkoenig>mmh, didn't see themill's solution, seems good.
12:27<themill>jkoenig: only if you can make lots of assumptions about the data though.
12:27<themill>jkoenig: I like the fd approach of yours better now :)
12:28<jkoenig>themill: mmh wouldn't 'read' eat the whitespace ?
12:28<themill>jkoenig: yes, that's what I meant by limitations (and why I warned about it).
12:28<themill>jkoenig: it's fine for the problem as posed, however.
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12:29<hahnp>axisr9: what is your aim... maybe theres an other way to do it
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12:29<metalqga>he wants to take over the world
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12:30<hahnp>pinky?
12:30<hahnp>oh brain :D
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12:30<metalqga>:P
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12:33<fxiny>no mercy :P
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12:39<crazyb0y>hehe
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12:43<slap>hola
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12:43<metalqga>hola
12:44<ryan_>I've got a RAID / LVM EtchNHalf setup and I'm having to manually start grub each time and then run local-top/lvm after "Waiting for root file system..." times out with initramfs... any good documentation on how to get this up and running... grub says my (hd0) setup is fine, but it won't start it. I ran update-initrd and built my new initrd file already and so I can mount my filesystem, just not automatically
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12:48<hahnp>http://stefans.datenbruch.de/rootserver/raidlvm.shtml
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12:49<slap>hello
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12:49<slap>i need help with my wifi interface
12:49<|x>Euh
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12:50<|x>bonjour ce serais possible de m'aidé pour x-tchat ?
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12:50<ryan_>hahnp: thanks
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12:50<stew>!fr
12:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
12:50<slap>can somebody tellme where i have to go??
12:50<joss>sua, r u here
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12:51<|x> /server -m irc.liberty-ever.net
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12:51<hahnp>slap: where do you want to go?
12:51<hahnp>^^
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12:51<stew>slap: if you have a question which is debian related, just ask it
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12:52<slap>ok
12:52<slap>i can configure my wifi interface in my laptop
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12:53<slap>i just install debian 4.0r6
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12:53<slap>etch
12:53<slap>sorry i can
12:53<slap>can't
12:54<Silenx>slap, what kind of interfaces?
12:54<Silenx>the brand
12:54<slap>wifi
12:54<slap>i think es broadcom
12:54<Silenx>slap, have u installed bcm tool?
12:54<slap>no
12:54<Silenx>driver and firmware
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12:55<joss>#tanit
12:56<slap>i wrote lspci in console and my wifi is not listed
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12:56<Silenx>ouch ..
12:56<Silenx>slap, probably your kernel don't support it at now, i had the same problem with an intel 5100
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12:56<Silenx>and i resolved it, installing the "unstable" 2.6.28-1 kernel
12:57<slap>and...what i have to do??
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12:57<slap>ok
12:57<slap>i will search in google how install this kernell
12:58<Silenx>slap, have u goggled for that?
12:58<slap>thank you
12:58<slap>yes
12:58<Silenx>yes, i will find information
12:58<Silenx>you*
12:58<slap>ok so thanks
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12:59<slap>if i have a new problem i come back
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12:59<stew>slap: which broadcom chipset do you have?
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13:00<stew>slap: often it is not the problem that the kernel doesn't support your wireless, but that you need to install firmware which isn't included in debian becuase wireless firmware is generally non-free
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13:10<slap>ok stew
13:10<slap>can i update the firmware??
13:10<stew>for which wireless card?
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13:11<slap>i think is broadcom
13:11<stew>which broadcom?
13:11<stew>lspci might tell you
13:11<slap>i don't know
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13:11<slap>i wrote lspci
13:12<slap>and the wifi card is'nt in the list
13:12<stew>slap: how is your wifi card connected?
13:12<slap>is inside of my laptop
13:12<stew>slap: can you show us the output of "lspci"? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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13:13<slap>carlitos-laptop:/home/carlitos# lspci
13:13<slap>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
13:13<slap>00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PCI Express Root Port (rev 0c)
13:13<slap>00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 1049 (rev 03)
13:13<slap>00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03)
13:13-!-slap was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
13:13<petern>heh heh
13:13<slush>lol
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13:16<slap>how can i paste the message
13:16<slap>lspci??
13:16<metalqga>!paste
13:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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13:19<slap>ok, this is my lspci http://paste.debian.net/26967/
13:20<jeflui>how can I make a cloack?
13:21<stew>jeflui: what do you mean by "cloack" ?
13:21<metalqga>slap maybe your wlan is in the hardware specs of your laptop? google the make and model of your laptop
13:21<dr|z3d>He means a host cloak, I suspect.
13:21<slap>i google my model laptop and i can't find nothing
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13:22<stew>slap: can you run "update-pciids" and run lspci again to see if Network controller: 'Intel Corporation Unknown device 4229 (rev 61)" might actually be your wireless
13:22<slap>is a hp compaq 8510p
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13:23<slap>ok
13:23<slap>this is the line of my wifi interface
13:23<slap>10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
13:23*themill grumbles that lspci -nn would be more useful as a default.
13:24<stew>right
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13:24<themill>slap: you will need the etchnhalf kernel and the firmware-iwlwifi packages for that
13:24<themill>!iwlwifi
13:24<dpkg>[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net
13:28<jeflui>stew: to not appear my hostname in the channel
13:29<slap>so thanks stew and all people
13:29<slap>is my first day with debian
13:29<stew>jeflui: ask #oftc
13:29<slap>really so thanks
13:29<jeflui>stew: thanks
13:29<themill>jeflui: have a look on oftc's web pages -- they tend not to hand out cloaks.
13:30<stew>jeflui: http://www.oftc.net/oftc/UserCloaks
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13:30<jeflui>ok
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14:04<|x\>Venez sur irc.liberty-ever.net
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14:10<Raspberry> shoul I be running 32-bit or 64-bit Etch? I'm looking to create an OpenVZ server
14:10<Raspberry>I could use Xen, but I'd rather keep the load light
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14:11<Raspberry>it's pretty funny to translate http://stefans.datenbruch.de/rootserver/raidlvm.shtml into english
14:11<Raspberry>LVM on RAID is the Digital layer salad
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14:19<styx-tdo>hi, does anyone have asterisk 1.6 as a .deb, possibly?
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14:21<TakeABow>Hi
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14:21<TakeABow>So complete Linux noob here, does debian have a gui?
14:22<dr|z3d>It does, TakeABow
14:22<dr|z3d>You can run Gnome, KDE, Xfce, or any other environment.
14:22<TakeABow>I don't know what that means
14:22<dr|z3d>If you're a complete noob, you might be better advised to try Ubuntu.
14:23<avu>TakeABow, ask google
14:23<TakeABow>Well i'm creating a torrent tracker
14:23<dr|z3d>It means yes, you can have various "guis" running on Debian, no problem.
14:23<TakeABow>and i've been told it runs best on Debian
14:23<TakeABow>the only linux experience i've had was breifly with ubuntu
14:23<dr|z3d>Ubuntu is Debian based, but a lot easier to administer for newbs.
14:23<petern>a torrent tracker is a server thing, right?
14:24<avu>yep
14:24<petern>so a gui is not what you want
14:24<ratbag>hi
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14:24<TakeABow>well it is, because setting it up using commandline for me is going to be near impossible
14:24<styx-tdo>TakeABow: try sidux there -> #sidux , based on debian SID
14:24<TakeABow>i can't
14:24<ratbag>i just installed debian for the first time and 1 problem ive noticed is web browsing is ridiculously slow
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14:24<styx-tdo>GUI is autconfig, has a live CD etc
14:24<avu>TakeABow, you'll have to setup the tracker using 'the commandlne' anyway
14:25<ratbag>downloading from the synaptic package manager is fast tho
14:25<TakeABow>the only Debian option i have to install on my server is Debian: Etch Stable
14:25<avu>TakeABow, at least I don't know of any trackers that come with a management GUI
14:25<dr|z3d>Seriously, though, Ubuntu sounds a much better choice.
14:25<ratbag>so its either a problem with Epiphany or something to do with IP6
14:25<ratbag>anyone have the same problem?
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14:27<jkoenig>ratbag: why do you suggest something IPv6-related may cause it ?
14:27<jkoenig>ratbag: have you setup anything ?
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14:27<styx-tdo>ratbag: proxy, possibly?
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14:30<ratbag>sorry was gone for a minute
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14:31<ratbag>jkoenig: i had this problem with ubuntu 6 in the past and i fixed it by disabling ip6
14:31<ratbag>both in firefox and some config file
14:31<ratbag>i found the instructions on the web i didnt figure it out myself
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14:31<ratbag>havent set anything up no i just installed the bare minumum
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14:32<ratbag>styx-do: in setup I left the proxy field blank so i doubt it
14:32<ratbag>ill find out now though
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14:32<ratbag>just installed iceweasel but its just as slow
14:32<ratbag>so its not the browser
14:33<dondelelcaro>ratbag: is it slow resolving? or just slow in general?
14:33<ratbag>its slow to load new webpages
14:33<dondelelcaro>ratbag: does ping foosite; work quickly? or take a while to work?
14:33<ratbag>but if im on a webpage it will load internal pages normally
14:33<ratbag>lemme check
14:33<dondelelcaro>ratbag: most likely you have a problem with name resolution
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14:33<ratbag>u mean pinging something with the terminal?
14:34<unanxbt>I am using a shared computer, how can I prevent other users to browse internet?
14:34<styx-tdo>unanxbt: iptables
14:34<unanxbt>styx-tdo, how?
14:34<ratbag>dondelelcaro: i didnt understand what they meant by hostname in setup so i just putin ratbag in the hostname field
14:35<ratbag>but i had this problem with older versions of ubuntu
14:35<ratbag>browsing websites was slow
14:35<styx-tdo>unanxbt: module owner, --uid-owner or --gid-owner
14:35<dondelelcaro>ratbag: I mean running ping google.com; or similar
14:35<ratbag>but stuff like FTP and downloading from synaptic manager was normal
14:35<ratbag>ill check
14:35<styx-tdo>unanxbt: iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner <user> -j ACCEPT
14:36<dondelelcaro>ratbag: almost any time you have slow browsing of new pages, it's related to name resolution
14:36<styx-tdo>unanxbt: iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 0 -j ACCEPT
14:36<ratbag>ratbagdeb:/home/ratbag# ping google.com
14:36<ratbag>PING google.com (74.125.45.100) 56(84) bytes of data.
14:36<ratbag>64 bytes from yx-in-f100.google.com (74.125.45.100): icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=182 ms
14:36<styx-tdo>unanxbt: iptables -A OUTPUT -j REJECT
14:36<unanxbt>styx-tdo, will this command block the users?
14:36<dondelelcaro>ratbag: and did it start pinging immediately?
14:36<ratbag>returned results quickly
14:36<ratbag>yep
14:36<dondelelcaro>ratbag: and if you run GET google.com; what happens?
14:36<styx-tdo>unanxbt: that will allow root and whatever userid to send packages out (1st 2 lines) and REJECT all other packages
14:37<styx-tdo>possibly you need other uids/gids for the system to work properly
14:37<dondelelcaro>ratbag: specifically, time GET google.com >/dev/null;
14:37<ratbag>no GET command installed yet
14:37<ratbag>is that part of a package?
14:37<styx-tdo>and possibly it would make sense to add something that allows LAN traffic ;)
14:37<dondelelcaro>ratbag: then time wget -O- http://google.com >/dev/null;
14:37<ratbag>is time part of the command?
14:37<styx-tdo>unanxbt: this is a very crude example, but google should bring you on the way
14:37<dondelelcaro>or wget -q -O-
14:37<dondelelcaro>ratbag: yes
14:38<dondelelcaro>ratbag: specifically, I want to know what the real line says
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14:38<ratbag>ok
14:38<ratbag>Resolving google.com...
14:38<ratbag>but its still resolving
14:38<unanxbt>styx-tdo, Isn't there any easy gui based solution :)
14:39<dondelelcaro>ratbag: so yeah, your nameserver sucks. See what you've got set in /etc/resolv.conf and consider changing it
14:39<ratbag>1 sec ill put it all onto pastebin
14:39<ratbag>nm
14:39<ratbag>so its the nameserver?
14:39<ratbag>thanks a lot
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14:39<styx-tdo>unanxbt: no idea. i am not aware of any, but that could be because i do not use a GUI for anything more than chatting and opening terminal windows
14:40<ratbag>im gona take a look at that conf file real quick
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14:40<ratbag>nameserver 192.168.1.254
14:40<ratbag>thats all thats in there
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14:40<unanxbt>styx-tdo, hmmm, thanks
14:40<styx-tdo>unanxbt: np
14:41<unanxbt>styx-tdo, hmmm, thanks
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14:41<unanxbt>:)
14:41<ratbag><dondelelcaro> should there be more in that conf file?
14:41<dondelelcaro>ratbag: and what is 192.168.1.254?
14:41<ratbag>may be my router
14:41<ratbag>il check
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14:42<ratbag>yea its my router
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14:42<dondelelcaro>ratbag: probably it is your router; you may have better luck if you figure out what your upstream isp's dns server is (it should be on your router's web interface) and set your nameserver to that.
14:42<dondelelcaro>ratbag: most routers have really crappy dns servers
14:43<ratbag><dondelelcaro> ill look into that thanks
14:43<dondelelcaro>ratbag: if you're using dhcp, you may need to use resolvconf or similar to make that easy; if you're using static, it's trivial to change
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14:44<ratbag><dondelelcaro> not quite sure if its static if my IP changes when I restart the router + internet connection?
14:44<ratbag>or is that dynamic
14:45<dondelelcaro>ratbag: you have an ip in the 192.168.1.XXX subnet; your router's external ip may change, but your internal ip doesn't need to
14:45<dondelelcaro>(you could easily do either static or dynamic on your own private network)
14:45<ratbag>oh yea i know what u mean
14:45<ratbag>yea i let the dhcp server assign IPs on my network
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14:46<ratbag>ill set mine to a static one tho see if that helps
14:46<dondelelcaro>ratbag: it won't help with your nameserver issue; it just makes it easier to change the resolv.conf because dhclient won't overwrite it
14:48<jthomas>Is there any way to tell Synaptic to get software from the Experimental branch, assuming that I have the repo in my sources.list ?
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14:50<gooseman_009> /msg [XDCC]|GiNa XDCC SEND #1
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14:54<ratbag><dondelelcaro> oh right what do i have to put in that conf file to resolve the issue then?
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15:01<dondelelcaro>ratbag: namserver ipofyourupstreamdnsserver
15:01<dondelelcaro>err, nameserver
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15:03<chealer>jthomas: yes. you can use Package -> Force version
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15:08<ratbag><dondelelcaro> im in my router cpanel but im not sure what an upstream ISP DNS server is
15:09<ratbag>on the mainpage it lists things such as Primary DNS Server
15:09<dr|z3d>ratbag: That's your ISP's DNS, which you'd use automatically, usually.
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15:09<dr|z3d>ratbag: And you can usually nominate multiple dns servers.
15:10<ratbag>times like this i realize i should learn more about networking and TCP/IP
15:10<ratbag>i have no idea what a DNS really is
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15:10<dr|z3d>DNS = Domain Name Resolution.
15:10<ratbag>ive read about it but still dont understand its function
15:10<dr|z3d>It converts a domain eg google.com to a unique ip.
15:10<ratbag>i know its a protocol
15:10<ratbag>ah
15:10<ratbag>thanks alot
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15:11<ratbag>damn id been looking at it like it was some highly complex thing
15:11<dr|z3d>No, it's pretty simple.
15:11-!-CrazyFoam [~gturner@genuxb.unzane.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:11<dr|z3d>At least from an end user pov.
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15:11<Raspberry>think of it like your mailing address (DNS) vs. your GPS coordinates (IP)
15:12<Raspberry>i know that's not 100% accurate, but it's the way I explain it to non-technical people
15:13<dr|z3d>It's a good analogy.
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15:13<krypto>Hi ! I need help, i need to install the package ndiswrapper-utility but i cant find a deb to install it in debian lenny, someone can help me ?
15:13<dr|z3d>krypto: apt-cache search ndis
15:14<ratbag>not a bad analogy Rasberry
15:14<krypto>nope, i dont have it :S
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15:14<dr|z3d>Should be in the repositories.
15:14<Supaplex>krypto: does sources.list have main contrib and non-free?
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15:15<enouf>judd: versions ndiswrapper-utility
15:15<judd>enouf: ndiswrapper-utility --
15:15<enouf>judd: versions ndiswrapper-utility --arch amd64
15:15<judd>enouf: ndiswrapper-utility --
15:15<enouf>strike 2
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15:40<dani>hello
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15:40<dani>how do you decrease the size of the panel?
15:41<NBaH>enouf, I've changed boot order of graphic cards (starting on 3dfx pci one instaed of Nvidia), and it now works fine; uninstalled svgalib-bin, and it's still working fine. That was all I had to do !
15:41<dani>i need more screen space
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15:42<enouf>NBaH: many reasons why could be possible .. and now you have me thinking of your BIOS settings specifically
15:42<enouf>"Primary Video Adapter" settings and such'
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15:45<dani>hey hey guys! wassup
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15:46<dani>any ideas how i could reduce the size of my top panel?
15:46<dani>i don't want to use autohide
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15:46<dr|z3d>Use Xfce instead of Gnome, perhaps, dani.
15:46<dr|z3d>That's one way.
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15:47<dr|z3d>I don't recall offhand if Gnome allows arbitrary resizing of panels; I know Xfce does.
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15:47<dani>what is Xfce?
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15:48<dani>is it a program like compiz or emerald?
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15:48<dr|z3d>Xfce is another desktop environment, a bit like Gnome or KDE.
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15:48<hochron>right click the panel go to propeties and change the size
15:48<dr|z3d>http://xfce.org I think.
15:48<dani>can i still use compiz and emerald with Xfce?
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15:48<dr|z3d>Sure, they work fine with Xfce.
15:48<dani>oki doki
15:48<dr|z3d>Sounds like Gnome supports arbitrary rescaling of panels, though.
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15:49<dani>a thousand thanks drz3d
15:49<dr|z3d>Worth having a look at Xfce, nonetheless. You might prefer it :)
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15:54<path>is there any maven2 binary out there ?
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15:55<stew>judd: versions maven2
15:55<judd>stew: maven2 -- lenny: 2.0.9-2 sid: 2.0.9-2
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15:56<amischi>ciao a tutti
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15:57<amischi>ce nessunoi
15:57<simonrvn>!it
15:57<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:57<amischi>avete sentito cosa e successo a giovanni e serena
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15:57<simonrvn>amischi: ^^^
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15:57<steez>hi all
15:58<amischi>do you speak english?
15:58<simonrvn>en is here yes
15:58<amischi>where are you from
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15:58<simonrvn>this isn't for chat, it's a support channel
15:58<simonrvn>!ot
15:58<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
15:59<simonrvn>^^^ chatting
15:59<path>stew, when I'm trying to compile a war package I get this http://debian.pastebin.com/m5017e20d
15:59<amischi>good
15:59<amischi>i have a lot of questions to do?
15:59<steez>support ? nice, how about how to undelete the / after a stupid rm -rf * ?
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16:00<jkoenig>steez: time travel
16:00<steez>Actually my question would be, is it possible to automatically rollback the tree
16:00<dkr>steez: restore from backup
16:00<amischi>hi
16:00<amischi>have a problem
16:00<amischi>i have linux on a external hd , xubuntu
16:00<dkr>!tell steez about undelete
16:00<steez>thank jkoenig, unfortunately for me marty mcfly and i arent friends
16:01<steez>thanks dkr
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16:01<amischi>and i would like to know how do boot on external hd , everytime i tried windons starts
16:01<amischi>i
16:01<VIB-host>hey guys
16:02<phealy>Does anyone know if there is currently a bug in grub 0.97-47lenny2 (current unstable) involving savedefault --once? As of right now if I reboot after using the savedefault --once command, I get error 28 (too big to fit in memory) on picking any kernel entry with a savedefault option. If I edit that option to remove savedefault, it boots. I've spent some time checking, but can't find a bug report regarding this and just want to ensure I'm not missing any
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16:03<amischi>i would like to know how do boot from a external hd with xubuntu
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16:04<VIB-host>i'm trying to make my servers go down tomorrow at 08:00 but the shutdown command seems to take the time in secunds and not by ddmmHHmm I'm using (shutdown -P 01270800)
16:04<amischi>in the pc i have windows xp
16:04<jkoenig>amischi: which device is use for booting configured in your BIOS setup
16:04<jkoenig>amischi: xubuntu or windows don't have anything to do with it since they don't run at that time.
16:05<amischi>i configured external hd at first device
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16:05<phealy>VIB-host: you could use at to execute the shutdown command the following morning, assuming you have atd running.
16:05<VIB-host>how does atd work?
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16:05<jkoenig>amischi: maybe your bios doesn't support the kind of external hard drive you're using
16:06<VIB-host>phealy: mayby you could give me a ex.
16:06<amischi>infact i don't find computer the hd
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16:06<amischi>if a buy i new one is possible it will run
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16:07<steez>anyone has experience with alternative fs ? ones that supports undeletion ? lol
16:07<amischi>is it possible that i need a software
16:07<steez>**dont burn me
16:07<phealy>VIB-host: man at? you could try "at 08:00". It will then give you a prompt to enter a command. put your shutdown command there, then hit ctrl-d when finished. it'll run the command you entered the next time 8am occurs.
16:07<ansgar>VIB-host: shutdown -P 08:00?
16:08<phealy>vib-host: although ansgar's solution might be easier ;)
16:08<jkoenig>amischi: can you rephrase "i don't find computer the hd" ?
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16:08<amischi>windows maybe need to recognized hd
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16:08<amischi>sorry, i ma
16:08<amischi>sorry im not habituate to write in English
16:08<jkoenig>amischi: mmh no, I think you don't see it in windows because the partition types are unknown to it.
16:09<VIB-host>ansgar: it gives no response
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16:09<jkoenig>amischi: just a wild guess, but if it's a USB hard drive you may want to try alternatives for your boot order
16:09<jkoenig>amischi: it could be "removable media" or something.
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16:09<jkoenig>does you bios identify the drive ?
16:10<amischi>anyway, "periphe...is read
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16:10<amischi>thanks i ll try
16:11<amischi>i dont remember any removeble media
16:11<jkoenig>amischi: does your hard drive boot on another computer ?
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16:11<amischi> i have a amilo with an broken hard disk, so after tried boot on it grub starts
16:11<jkoenig>amischi: also, you may want to try listing your windows hard drive as last to be sure everything else is tried
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16:12<amischi>i would like to continue to work on another pc with same hdex
16:12<amischi>sorry i havent understang
16:13<jkoenig>amischi: when changing boot order in your bios setup,
16:13<jkoenig>amischi: you can try to disable your internal hard drive completely,
16:14<jkoenig>amischi: or push it at the bottom of the list,
16:14<jkoenig>amischi: this way it won't prevent any other option from booting
16:14<amischi>i have tried but doesn't run
16:14<amischi>system operating is not foud
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16:15<ansgar>VIB-host: I didn't use anything besides shutdown now for a while, but I think that's normal behaviour. It'll wait until 8:00, or until you press Ctrl+C to abort the shutdown
16:15<jkoenig>amischi: if you have enabled everything else, it means that your BIOS can't boot on it.
16:15<amischi>i have imagined that
16:15<amischi>downloading a grub inside windows?
16:16<VIB-host>ansgar: ok I'll try it on one of my DNS servers
16:16<jkoenig>amischi: you could have a minimal boot partition on your internal hard drive with the kernel, initrd and grub, but it would be somewhat complex to setup
16:16<VIB-host>phealy: the at command didn't work
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16:17<amischi>but that's possible?
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16:18<jkoenig>amischi: yes but it's dangerous to play with your partitions and I can't guide you from here.
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16:19<amischi>i haven' t a pc with important things but i dont want to loose my windows
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16:20<jkoenig>amischi: mmh give me a minute
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16:21<Washi>I'd like a piece of advice from sb with some programming experience; I want to learn a language and use it for simple scripts/plugins etc. and I have got down to python and ruby
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16:22<Washi>so please help me solve the dilemma
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16:22<Washi>speed as you may see is not crucial, nor is ease
16:23<Washi>which should I go with - python or ruby
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16:24<Washi>anyone out there with some coding experience
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16:25<steez>Washi : for learning they will be both okay, use the one you can have most help easily
16:26<steez>and btw, there's a good CS book that use python as first language .. so maybe
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16:26<jkoenig>amischi: well grub doesn't seem to support ntfs so you would need to resize your windows partition and create a new one
16:27<Washi>steez, sorry but what is a 'CS book'
16:27<steez>Computer Science
16:27<dkr>culinary science - how to cook pythons
16:27<steez>Lool
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16:28<amischi>format ? and write a new partition , but with hd?
16:28<steez>anyone here has made a direct eth connection ? between 2 pc ( one running ubuntu, the other one under Xp )
16:28<jkoenig>amischi: then format it with ext2, copy your /boot from your linux root partition, install grub, and make the partition the only bootable one
16:29<hahnp>i think there is a patch to use grup with ntfs
16:29<jkoenig>amischi: yes and there would be a chance of wiping windows at every step,
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16:29<jkoenig>amischi: I would recommand asking a linux-savvy friend if you don't feel comfortable doing it
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16:30<amischi>can i safe this page?
16:30<jkoenig>amischi: (which you shouldn't unless you understand what everything does)
16:30<jkoenig>you mean, the conversation ?
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16:30<amischi>i saved
16:30<jkoenig>it depends on the IRC client you are using but copy & paste into a text file should work pretty much anywhere.
16:31<jkoenig>ok.
16:31<Supaplex>grr. debian #444603 still affects 2.6.26-1 :-/
16:31<amischi>can i do with a xubuntu live cd
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16:32<jkoenig>I guess you could but I don't know ubuntu.
16:32<jkoenig>May I recommand asking on #ubuntu :-P
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16:32<Supaplex>he could install debian, but he never said he wanted to eh? :)
16:33<steez>thanks y'all
16:33<steez>bye
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16:33<jkoenig>Supaplex: actually that's one case where it wouldn't solve his problem :-)
16:33-!-carton [~carton@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
16:33<jkoenig>(except I would know what's on the installation media)
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16:34<Supaplex>I'm not sure what he's trying to do anyway. the install manual shows how to use debootstrap to install debian when you're on a non-debian system.
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16:36<Supaplex>well bleh. I meant to use encryption when installing. grr.
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16:36*Supaplex hunts down the powerbrick
16:36<jkoenig>Supaplex: the system is installed but he needs to boot it off an external hard drive which doesn't seem supported by his BIOS.
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16:37<Supaplex>ahh.
16:37<dgodfather>Hi everyone, i have a question. it's not really Debian related but since you are all wizes here in many things i wanna ask you guys
16:37<dgodfather>i defined a synamic dns to my ip
16:38<dgodfather>i refreshed my domain name to my latest ip, yet when i do ping domainName i still see the old ip
16:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 373] by debhelper
16:39<dgodfather>i want my domain name to resolve to the new ip
16:39<Supaplex>dgodfather: sounds like dns caching
16:39<dgodfather>Supaplex, yeh it does but how do i clear that?
16:39<dgodfather>my dns server is from the isp
16:39<Supaplex>normally you can't
16:39<dgodfather>and abnormally :)
16:39<Supaplex>you call the provider and ask them
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16:40<dr|z3d>Should be able to flush local dns cache.
16:40<Supaplex>provided you know what dns server is responsible. otherwise you wait for TTL to expire and it takes care of itself.
16:40<dr|z3d>Assuming that it's your local dns cache that's the problem.
16:40<dgodfather>Supaplex, but that can't be the only solution since many people use dynamic dns on daily basis and no problems with that i guess
16:40<Supaplex>hint, dig knows.
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16:41<Supaplex>yeah, but the TTL for the dns entry is 60 seconds on average for those.
16:41<dgodfather>dr|z3d, how can i clear that?
16:41<dgodfather>so you say if i try now it will work?
16:41<dgodfather>still pinging old address
16:42<Supaplex>what's the ttl of the dns entry? was it the same ttl before you made the change?
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16:42<dr|z3d>dgodfather: service nscd restart
16:42<dr|z3d>Try that.
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16:43<dgodfather>dr|z3d, on debian? i don't have the service command
16:43<dgodfather>it's something to install?
16:43<dgodfather>Supaplex, what do you mean what is the ttl of the dns entry?
16:43<dr|z3d>Or sudo etc/init.d/nscd restart
16:43<dgodfather>dr|z3d, yep that i know :)
16:43<jkoenig>dgodfather: "hint, dig knows" meant:
16:44<Supaplex>dgodfather: use dig
16:44<jkoenig>- possibly install dig (apt-get install dig)
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16:44<jkoenig>- run 'dig <your host name>'
16:44<dgodfather>hee, sorry guys for not understanding b4
16:44<jkoenig>the second column will show the TTL for the entry
16:44<dgodfather>sec
16:45<dgodfather>jkoenig, i didn't get columns but rows
16:46<dgodfather>jkoenig, and no ttl
16:46<jkoenig>on the rows there's a number.
16:46<dgodfather>used dig remotehostname
16:46<jkoenig>example: www.google.com. 237192 IN CNAME www.l.google.com.
16:46<jkoenig>that means the TTL for this record is 237192 seconds.
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16:47<jkoenig>you should have an 'A' record for your request, such as :
16:47<jkoenig>a.l.google.com. 43822 IN A 209.85.139.9
16:48<dgodfather>i have something alike domainname in A ipAddress
16:48<jkoenig>the TTL (here 43822) will normally be decresing on each successive run of your dig command.
16:48<dgodfather>and the number was 60
16:48<jkoenig>that probably means your DNS wasn't updated, or it would have the new value by now,
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16:49<jkoenig>but wait until the ttl reaches 0 (it will come back to its original value), and you will know for sure.
16:49<dgodfather>well it still has the old value, also the ip in the dig is the old one
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16:50<dr|z3d>dgodfather: A temporary solution is to edit your hosts file whilst you wait for the new dns to propogate, assuming that it's a remote dns issue.
16:50<jkoenig>dgodfather: the most probable explanation is that, for some reason, your update didn't work when you tried to change it.
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16:52<dgodfather>jkoenig, what do you mean? tried to change it in the dyndns site?
16:52<jkoenig>yes.
16:52<jkoenig>does the site show your new IP ?
16:53<dgodfather>yes of course
16:53<dgodfather>it's something closer to me. either at my isp or local
16:53<jkoenig>when you run dig multiple times, does the TTL decrements until it reaches 0 and comes back to 60 ?
16:53<dgodfather>also i didn't find the nscd under /etc/init.d
16:54<dgodfather>well i will check now
16:54<dgodfather>nop, it's fixed on 60
16:54<jkoenig>that's weird.
16:55<dgodfather>i am doing it on my domain name right?
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16:55<dgodfather>jkoenig, i did digs on another site and it also doesn't decrease
16:55<dgodfather>it's not 60 to begin with but it's also permanent
16:56<jkoenig>dgodfather: what DNS server are you using ?
16:56<dgodfather>my isp dns servers
16:56<dgodfather>should i change that?
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16:56<dgodfather>it's defaulting from my dhcp in the router i guess
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16:57<dgodfather>my resolv.conf holds the router's address
16:57<jkoenig>dgodfather: mmh it's possible that your router has a crappy dns server (someon mentionned that here earlier) and you're using that
16:57<dgodfather>my gw
16:57<dgodfather>oh, you think i might be using a dns server in the router?
16:58<dgodfather>not my isp
16:58<simonrvn>probably just a fowarder ...
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16:59<jkoenig>mmh you can try to change /etc/resolv.conf to have you ISP's address
16:59<jkoenig>dhcpd (or resolvconf) will probably overwrite it next time the interface is brought up though.
16:59-!-Werther [~Werther@AMontsouris-551-1-39-206.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
16:59<jkoenig>but if it works better, powercycling you router should work.
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17:01<dgodfather_>jkoenig, but i am configured with dhcp so it will be overriden no?
17:01<dgodfather_>should i also remove some entries from dhclient?
17:01<jkoenig>dgodfather_: mmh better idea,
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17:02<jkoenig>just add a DNS server from your ISP on your dig command line:
17:02<dgodfather_>i can tell dig to run my query with a specific dns server?
17:02<simonrvn>@www.xxx.yyy.zzz or @a.hostname.tld
17:02<jkoenig>with an @ character in front of it
17:02<simonrvn>dgodfather_: ^^^
17:03<hahnp>why not add the dns in resolv.conf
17:03<simonrvn>hahnp: yeh, really
17:03<dgodfather_>hahnp, because i am using a dhcp confi
17:03<jkoenig>the idea is to confirm the problem is the router's DNS before we change anything,
17:03<simonrvn>and? you can set it to not overwrite the dns settings
17:03<Werther>hello everybody
17:03<adama>hi
17:03<jkoenig>then change it so that it won't be overwritten next time dgodfather_ boots.
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17:04<Werther>I could use a little help, if someone has five minutes
17:04<dgodfather_>simonrvn, i need to change something in dhclient so it won't change the name servers right?
17:04<simonrvn>why do these things with bad hacks, why not properly.
17:04<simonrvn>!tell Werther -about ask
17:04<carton>is there any way to use ark to unrar a password protected rar file?
17:05<carton>i know it is possible to just use unrar from the command line and this works
17:05<dgodfather_>jkoenig, i am not sure it's in the router's dns, i am not sure it has dns at all
17:05<simonrvn>17:03 < simonrvn> and? you can set it to not overwrite the dns settings 17:03 < jkoenig> then change it so that it won't be overwritten next time dgodfather_ boots.
17:05<simonrvn>only 2 people have said this ALREADY
17:05<Werther>sorry ? I'm new on IRC, should I type this before asking ?
17:05<carton>...but i want to know if it is possible to implement ark in the unraring process
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17:05<jkoenig>dgodfather_: if your router's address is in /etc/resolv.conf, then I am :-)
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17:05<simonrvn>Werther: no, read what the bot told you, then ask your question.
17:06<simonrvn>you'll see a window with dpkg in it
17:06<dgodfather_>but it's just a tunnel of some sort. it's taking configuration from my isp doesn't it?
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17:06<dgodfather_>simonrvn, sorry didn't understand you post
17:06<simonrvn>dgodfather_: whatever box is assigning you the ip is the one overwriting it
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17:07<jkoenig>dgodfather_: it your router's the problem, it keeps a cache of your old address which it doesn't expire correctly.
17:07<dgodfather_>simonrvn, true. and?
17:07<jkoenig>dgodfather_: then keeps on returning the old address without contacting your ISP's servers.
17:07<simonrvn>there's your answer. 17:06 < dgodfather_> but it's just a tunnel of some sort. it's taking configuration from my isp doesn't it?
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17:08<jkoenig>simonrvn: what's your point ? let's get dgodfather_ run a test with dig on his ISP's servers,
17:08<dgodfather_>jkoenig, but i can't find anything in the router configuration that is dns like, only nat
17:08<jkoenig>simonrvn: then help him change his configuration in a persistent way.
17:08<dgodfather_>jkoenig, how?
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17:08<simonrvn>he keeps asking irrelevant questions
17:08<jkoenig>dgodfather_: do you have the DNS addresses your ISP gave you ?
17:09<jkoenig>simonrvn: then ignore him.
17:09<dgodfather_>of course
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17:09<jkoenig>dgodfather_: can you add them on the dig command line.
17:09<simonrvn>i am now
17:09<dgodfather_>jkoenig, yep let me check how to do that
17:09<jkoenig>dgodfather_: ie. if you isp's DNS is 1.2.3.4, run "dig yourhostname @1.2.3.4"
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17:10<dgodfather_>jkoenig, ok thanks
17:10<dgodfather_>jkoenig, still the wrong address
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17:11<dgodfather_>jkoenig, dig still returned with the old address
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17:11<jkoenig>dgodfather_: is the TTL decreasing on successive runs ?
17:11<jkoenig>(it's an expiration delay in seconds)
17:11<dgodfather_>jkoenig, yep
17:12<jkoenig>how much is it ?
17:12<simonrvn>2.95 plus tax
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17:12<dgodfather_>well i can't really say, it's at about 60
17:12<dgodfather_>and decreasing but sometimes increasing
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17:13<jkoenig>yes it resets to 60 when it falls back to zero.
17:13<dgodfather_>i guess after it reached 0 it increases
17:13<dgodfather_>ok so it's 60
17:13<jkoenig>ok, that means the problem is out of your control.
17:13<dgodfather_>can you explain why?
17:13<jkoenig>probably one of your dyndns' secondary servers wasn't synchronized for some reason.
17:14<Werther89>Hello, I've a problem with krecord : since I've modified something in alsa mixer, my mic won't record anything... I'm running eeepc Xandros
17:14<dgodfather_>but the dig with the dns of my isp also shows the wrong ip
17:14<dgodfather_>jkoenig, ohhhhhhh got you
17:14<dgodfather_>so it's definitely the dyndns that does the problems
17:15<jkoenig>I guess so.
17:15<jkoenig>you could check with dig
17:15<jkoenig>ask for the nameservers responsible for your zone and check them one by one.
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17:16<jkoenig>if your hostname is foo.bar.baz, the zone is bar.baz
17:16<dgodfather_>jkoenig, thanks man
17:16<dgodfather_>you really helped me i will do that
17:16<jkoenig>you can ask for the nameservers responsible with 'dig -t NS bar.baz',
17:16<jkoenig>then check them individually (ie. dig your.host.name @ns1.example.com, if ns1.example.com was one of them)
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17:17<jkoenig>it's possible than one or more of them hasn't been updated.
17:18<jkoenig>your course of action would be waiting, and possibly adding a static entry in /etc/hosts for your host as someon suggested.
17:18<dgodfather__>jkoenig, so i do "dig myzone"?
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17:18<jkoenig>dig -t NS
17:18<jkoenig>the "-t NS" asks for the nameservers.
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17:19<dgodfather__>jkoenig, yes but which names servers i got a list of them all in the ROOT servers
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17:20<jkoenig>i meant "dig -t NS myzone", assuming your host is "myhost.myzone"
17:20<jkoenig>that should return entries such as: google.fr. 241455 IN NS ns2.google.com.
17:21<dgodfather__>jkoenig, yes it did but now how do i check them?
17:21<dgodfather__>which is the problematic one?
17:21<jkoenig>you would run "dig www.google.fr @ns2.google.com" to know the address held by this particular nameserver.
17:22<jkoenig>or more like "dig myhost.myzone @ns3.myzone" in your case. (you get the point)
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17:22<jkoenig>just like you did earlier for checking with your ISP's server.
17:23<dgodfather__>yes i got the point and i got the dns address, yet how does that help me?
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17:24<jkoenig>well,
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17:24<dgodfather__>it's is the only one with 60 ttl
17:24<dgodfather__>i didn't quit
17:24<jkoenig>either all the servers have your old address,
17:24<jkoenig>or some of them have the new one,
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17:25<jkoenig>in which case it means they have been parially updated
17:25<dgodfather__>jkoenig, sorry man for being so dense :) but i have the servers ip, how do i know what address of mine they hold?
17:26<jkoenig>in any case, nothing will help you get your new address propagated (only time will :-)
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17:26<jkoenig>you use "dig <host> @<server>" to learn about the address <server> holds for <host>
17:26<dgodfather__>jkoenig, so what can i do?
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17:26<jkoenig>dgodfather__: basically, like I said earlier,
17:26<jkoenig>dgodfather__: you can wait,
17:27<jkoenig>dgodfather__: and possibly add a static record in your /etc/hosts in the meantime
17:27<jkoenig>dgodfather__: but it will work only on your machine.
17:27<dgodfather__>oh well in that case i will wait
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17:27<jkoenig>good,
17:28<dgodfather__>jkoenig, i can't say i fully understood what you told me, but i will go over that now and see what i can understand of what we have done
17:28<jkoenig>just carry your IP address with you.
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17:29<dgodfather__>hee, not such a good solution
17:29<jkoenig>well, basically, dyndns.org has a number of nameservers which publish your address, and you ISP interrogates one of them, and your router interrogates your ISP
17:29<jkoenig>it's like a big chain and it fails at some point...
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17:30<jkoenig>since we've narrowed it down to "beyond your router", it's outside of your control really.
17:30<jkoenig>you can just have some "fun" (depending on your personnality) trying to understand what's going on :-)
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17:30<simonrvn>best thing he can do then is set up his dhcp client conf
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17:31<dgodfather__>simonrvn, to do what?
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17:34<dgodfather__>jkoenig, thank you very much
17:35<jkoenig>dgodfather__: no problem, just wait a day or two until they get it fixed.
17:35<jkoenig>dgodfather__: if 'dig yourhostname @1.2.3.4', where 1.2.3.4 is one of your ISP's DNS servers, really shows the wrong IP, there's basically nothing you can do
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17:35<dgodfather__>jkoenig, in the mean time i always have my ip :)
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17:37<jkoenig>good night (or whatever) everyone.
17:38<dgodfather__>good night
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17:43<di3go>c.net
17:43<di3go>irc.sinoptic.net
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17:55<lefons>ciao a tutti!!!
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17:55<bukowski>hi
17:55<lefons>Qualcuno ci sa fare con i monster a carburatori!!??(M600)!!!!!
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17:55<bukowski>how can i make a LAN for filesharing between a kubuntu and a ubuntu pc?
17:56<dr|z3d>Install samba, for starters.
17:56<themill>bukowski: you probably want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
17:56<bukowski>oh thanks
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17:57<dr|z3d>Where Ubuntu and Debian share the same setup, surely it would be generous and not altogether out of keeping with the Debian spirit to offer some modicum of assistance, themill? :)
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18:02<themill>dr|z3d: It's a good philosophical point and has been discussed many times before. As a general rule, we don't. I'm here to help people who use debian. If no-one using debian wants help, then I have other free-software things to get on with. The last thing I want to do is find myself spending hours working out how to fix some strange bug that's only in the ubuntu package and not in the debian packages. Especially when the people in #ubuntu already know about
18:02<themill>said problem and how to work with it.
18:02<themill>There are just enough occasions when this is true as to make it not worth our while even trying to help.
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18:11<snogglethorpe>dr|z3d: i think some #debian people just like the excuse to be pissy really
18:11<snogglethorpe>dr|z3d: though #debian@freenode's even worse
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18:13*dr|z3d chuckles.
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18:15<hollo>hi, anyone knows of a wireless infrared webcam, running on batteries?
18:15<dr|z3d>themill: I see your point. There is no doubt a cutoff point where offering help would seem best left to the Ubuntu folk. Notwithstanding that, when you're talking high level stuff, solutions to fairly abstract problems that can be addressed with a few package recommendations, it seems a bit mean not to offer some pointers.
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18:16<snogglethorpe>indeed
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18:16<dr|z3d>It seems to me almost counter to the spirit of open source, and by extension Debian, to be frank.
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18:17<snogglethorpe>"spirit of open source"?
18:17<dr|z3d>Sure. Information is free to share.
18:17<dr|z3d>Accessible.
18:17<Ganneff>this is not an open source support channel, this is specific to debian. nothing else. not ubuntu. not knoppix. not whatever based on debian. and also, could you discuss elsewhere please, cos this is also offtopic. *thank you*
18:17<snogglethorpe>i don't think it's really that peopel are trying to avoid sharing info, but to avoid doing any work
18:18<dr|z3d>Ganneff: How can discussing the philopsophy of the channel be off-topic? *chuckle*
18:18<snogglethorpe>Ganneff: behavior on #debian seems clearly on topic...
18:18*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
18:18<Ganneff>it is not. goto #debian-offtopic please
18:18<Ganneff>or wherever else.
18:18<Ganneff>the topic of this channel is not this channel but support for debian.
18:19<dr|z3d>Discussing the nature of support given in #debian would be off-topic in #debian-offtopic :)
18:19<themill>It's not on-topic here, because this is a user support channel not a philosophy channel. (Which is also why I've refrained from replying to your comments)
18:19<snogglethorpe>sigh
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18:22<dr|z3d>In closing, the closest analogy I can think of is refusing to give someone directions because they're German. For example. :)
18:23<dondelelcaro>We do refuse to give directions in german here; there's a #debian-de for that
18:23<themill>! dondelelcaro++
18:24<dondelelcaro>well, #debian.de
18:24<dr|z3d>Sorry. I should have been clearer in my analogy. A German in London asking for directions in English. When you're an anglophone and know the answer. :)
18:24<simonrvn>dondelelcaro: hey
18:25<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: you're asking questions that have little to nothing to do with us; it's more like asking someone on a street in london about how to get from the bronx to midtown.
18:26<dr|z3d>dondelelcaro: Are you saying. for example, no one in Debian uses Samba?
18:26<dondelelcaro>yeah, they're cities that both have subways and rivers, and yeah, someone in london may know, but they aren't required to answer you
18:26<simonrvn>even in london ontario would that be useless ;0>
18:26<simonrvn>s/0//
18:26<simonrvn>s/0>/)/
18:26<simonrvn>...
18:26<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: sure, but we don't use Ubuntu's samba package
18:26<stew>take any downtown subway
18:26<dr|z3d>Or, to extend the analogy, if someone asked for a phonebox, you'd refuse to direct them?
18:26<dondelelcaro>(and if we did, and wanted to help, we'd be in #ubuntu)
18:27<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: you're asking volunteers to spend their time doing things that they aren't particularly interested in helping with
18:28<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: if we were interested in helping people use Ubuntu, we'd be in #ubuntu. [Some people who are here, are in #ubuntu too.]
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18:28<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: if that's not acceptable to you, you're free to not ask questions here
18:29<dr|z3d>That's absurd. And I don't think you speak for everyone there, dondelelcaro. Some people like offering help where they can, and acknowledging limitations where they can't. Not everyone's so strident in their fanboyism for one distro above another.
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18:29<dr|z3d>Hey, mostly I answer questions, dondelelcaro, just in case you hadn't noticed :)
18:29<themill>dr|z3d: have you looked at the 4MB diff that ubuntu has to debian's samba package?
18:29<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: I don't particularly care what distribution is better than another; I'm just talking about what is on topic in this channel
18:30<themill>(err... 100kB diff, sorry)
18:30<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: wanting to help people is perfectly ok; this channel just isn't the place to help people who aren't using Debian
18:30<dr|z3d>My essential point is that some things are distro specific, and some things are Linux specific.
18:30<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: you can always answer any one you want and take things to /msg if they're not using Debian
18:31<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: sure, but this is a distribution help channel, not #linux or #general-unix-help
18:31<dr|z3d>And where some Linux specific guidance is needed, it seems a little anal to refuse to provide help because the user isn't running distro X.
18:31<dondelelcaro>anyone here is free to not help anyone they want
18:31<stew>dr|z3d: ##linux on irc.freenode.net is a channel which answers non-debian, linux specific questions
18:31<dr|z3d>Sure, obviously.
18:32<dr|z3d>Mostly people don't articulate anything when they don't want to help.
18:32<debianNooB21>dondelelcaro: if you are on, you MUST HELP!!!!
18:32<debianNooB21>just playing
18:32<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: we're only articulating when people are off topic here
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18:32<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: we want people to get help; we just don't want to spend time dealing with problems on distributions that we don't actually care to support
18:32<themill>dr|z3d: the fundamental thing is that the people who use $distro are in a much better position to help than people who don't. My sincere belief is that the best help I could offer that person was to direct them to the best forum where they can get help, and in that case #ubuntu is better for them than #debian.
18:34<dr|z3d>Sure, that I fully understand. I just don't get why one can't say, for example: "You'll need to install samba and some other tools, check synaptic for samba. And google. And don't forget #ubuntu if you need more help" etc.
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18:34<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: you could
18:34<dr|z3d>And indeed I did.
18:34<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: but it's also equally appropriate for us to say, "the right place to ask for questions about Ubuntu is #ubuntu"
18:34<themill>dr|z3d: and between the two of us that's exactly what we did do. Problem?
18:34<dr|z3d>I didn't much have time, themills scared said user off, though :/
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18:34<debianNooB21>hahaha
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18:35<dr|z3d>Problem is that it seems a little hostile, themill.
18:35<dr|z3d>Less than generous, let's say that.
18:35*themill promises to put a smiley face on the end of that next time
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18:36<debianNooB21>hahahahah!!!
18:36<dr|z3d>I mean, it's less effort to say nothing than to say "foxtrot oscar" :)
18:36<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: I don't believe anyone has told anyone to fuck off.
18:36<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: but it's perfectly ok to tell them nicely (or even curtly) where they can go to get help
18:36<dr|z3d>Not in so many words. But you get the meaning. "Jog along to #ubuntu, we don't like your sort here" :)
18:37<debianNooB21>you do mean f.u.c.k. friend u can keep?
18:37<stew>quite the contraray, he pointed him to the correct help channel, and the user said "thanks". it was hardly hostile
18:37<dr|z3d>Not personally hostile.
18:37<dondelelcaro>so what's the problem then?
18:38<debianNooB21>ubuntu is debian guys!
18:38<Supaplex>no it's not
18:38<stew>debianNooB21: not at all
18:38<Supaplex>!ubuntu
18:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:38<craigevil-eee>no its not
18:38<dr|z3d>But hostile from a point of view of not helping whatsoever because the user is using Ubuntu, which is based upon Debian and shares many of the same precepts.
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18:38<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: there are loads of things that are based on Debian, but aren't Debian
18:38<debianNooB21>wow
18:39<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: and pointing them out to users, along with where they can find real help with their distribution isn't hostility
18:39<Ganneff>dr|z3d: simply accept it. your pov is not what this channel is about.
18:39<debianNooB21>haha I was mostly playing to the coversation
18:39<craigevil-eee>ubuntu is offtopic simple as that, they have their own channel
18:39<debianNooB21>THEY?
18:39<dr|z3d>Sometimes you guys could read a question as "I've got 2 pcs running Linux, I want to hook them up." And offer some high level advice than transcends distros and *then* point the user to #ubuntu or wherever.
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18:39<debianNooB21>is this distro wars or something?
18:40<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: why? this channel is for Debian support. Users who aren't using Debian should be pointed at the proper resources or helped by people who wish to help in some venue that isn't this channel
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18:40<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: anyone here who wants to help people not using Debian is free to do it; it just shouldn't be done in this channel
18:40<debianNooB21>how about genral linux help?
18:40<stew>debianNooB21: try ##linux on irc.freenode.net
18:40<dr|z3d>Rather than seeing Ubuntu as a parasitic product, if you saw it as raising the profile of Debian, you might take a more generous view :)
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18:41<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: my viewpoint of Ubuntu has little to do with this precept
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18:41<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: in fact, I think Ubuntu is a rather useful component of the various Debian-based distributions
18:41<stew>dr|z3d: this has nothing to do with whether ubuntu is parasitic or helping debian, just that its not the topic of this channel
18:41<debianNooB21>stew: no no no come on if you have an answer you can answer, right?
18:41<Supaplex>why do I want to trouble myself with guessing what issues another project introduces? isn't there enough of our own issues to troubleshoot?
18:42<adama>dr|z3d: everyone knows ubuntu is for noobs /me runs away
18:42<stew>debianNooB21: yes, this is the wrong channel to do it in
18:43<debianNooB21>That sounds a bit rude.
18:43*themill looks at how many screenfuls of OT chatter this has generated and wondered if would have been easier to spend said hours working around some random ubuntu-related samba bug in #debian instead...
18:43<dr|z3d>stew: My point is that sometimes the distinction between Ubuntu and debian is, shall we say, a tad fascist. Sometimes there is NO distinction, on a high level. And sometimes a few keywords and a package name or 2 are all that are needed.
18:43<dondelelcaro>so, in any event, just so there's no longer any doubt, non-Debian things are not on topic here. Failure to adhere to this in an egregious fashion will result in silencing or similar.
18:43<debianNooB21>WOW!
18:43<dr|z3d>Egregious? *smirk*
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18:44<dondelelcaro>while I can't speak on behalf of people in this channel, I've just spoken on behalf of the channel itself. ;-)
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18:44<debianNooB21>can you punch them insteed?
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18:44<dr|z3d>dondelelcaro: I think you meant vacuous :)
18:44<debianNooB21>dondelelcaro: my name is GOD! PLEASE understand that
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18:45<Supaplex>debianNooB21: then what's my name?
18:45<dmoerner>dr|z3d: no, he means precisely what he said: some off topic chatter is permitted on an issue like this to clear up misunderstanding it, but continuing to beat a dead horse is what is inappropriate
18:45<debianNooB21>Supaplex: Supaplex i guess!
18:46*themill dubs debianNooB21 "NickMind-XP_BOX"
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18:46<Supaplex>you "guess". you cease to be the God I know. good day...
18:46<debianNooB21>is
18:46<debianNooB21>yes why?
18:46<debianNooB21>themill: why do you say?
18:47<dr|z3d>dmoerner: I brook no argument with that. I was discussing, not trolling, nor spamming. I've said all I needed to say. :)
18:47<debianNooB21>I have this on my debian box (not ubuntu!) and the other is on my XP.
18:50<debianNooB21>now I am just asking, but if someone asks about a windows problem, what do we tell them? :)
18:50<debianNooB21>hahaha
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19:30<mejo>is there an easy way to list all installed packages from experimental?
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19:31<mejo>and the other way rount to list all installed packages which do have a newer version in experimental?
19:31<stew>mejo: you can try apt-show-versions
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19:31<blindguy74>is there any other wireless manager for debian then wifi radar?
19:32<abrotman>i'd imagine both gnome and kde have a network-manager interface
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19:33<mejo>stew: thanks a lot, apt-show-versions -u is exactly what I was searching for
19:35<blindguy74>they do but i'm trying to connect to WPA2 and it's not working
19:35<mejo>ant apt-show-versions -a |grep experimental even lists experimental versions of installed packages.
19:36<stew>mejo: note that this is not using information about where you downloaded a package from, but instead where a package might be available from NOW
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19:37<abrotman>!which repo
19:37<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory
19:37<abrotman>perhaps ..
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19:47<adama>that's quite the command, stew must've made that up
19:47<gnufan>Grr - how do I reinstall cups.... If I do "aptitude remove --purge cups" and clear out /etc/cups, when I "aptitude install cups" I was expecting it to recreate /etc/cups/cupsd.conf (as per the "dpkg -L cups" output, and before I removed it "dpkg --search /etc/cups/cupsd.conf), but I get no cupsd.conf and the daemon exits with error 1 on starting.
19:48<gnufan>Oh this is lenny
19:49<abrotman>gnufan: which package owns that file ?
19:49<abrotman>!tell gnufan about confmiss
19:49<stew>adama: heh, i don't think so, i would not have made the mistake of using ^ii instead of ^.i
19:50<gnufan>!beer
19:50<dpkg>[beer] liquid gold mate
19:50<abrotman>stew: maybe it was your younger days :)
19:50<stew>could be
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19:53<Supaplex>I have /boot on a plain partition, and everything else on encrypted lvm. After I enter the passphrase, the volume group becomes active. It's still waiting on the root filesystem. Now what? :)
19:53<Supaplex>3 logical volumes in volume group netbook now active. ohhh a shell. humm
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19:56<adama>eheh
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19:58<Supaplex>wahouuu it works. didn't have a root= cmdline when I tested it in qemu -snapshot -curses. just wanted to make sure my passphrase was as I expected. whew.
19:59<gnufan>abrotman: thanks - I forgot about confmiss -- I fear you might have told me about it last time I hit it :(
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19:59<abrotman>gnufan: it's possible :)
19:59<Toshset_problem>Hello, i need help with the toshset. When i type toshset an press enter , that error appears: required kernel toshiba support not enabled. (i have installed by synaptics)
19:59<abrotman>Toshset_problem: uname -r .. what does it say?
20:00<Toshset_problem>my kernel is 2.6.26.1 AMD64
20:00<Toshset_problem>i am using a Toshiba Notebook
20:00<abrotman>that's not what uname -r returns
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20:01<Toshset_problem>:/home/chrono# uname -r 2.6.26-1-amd64
20:01<Toshset_problem>http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Z8egyx
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20:02<abrotman>Toshset_problem: are you on amd64 or i386 version of debian ?
20:02<Toshset_problem>AMD64
20:02<Toshset_problem>2.6.26.1
20:03<abrotman>it seems for whatever reason the -amd64 kernel doesn't have the toshiba.ko
20:03<Toshset_problem>but its supported. I have installed by synaptics packpage manager
20:03<gnufan>abrotman: looks like cups upgrade from 2 years ago wanted to reformat my cups.conf and suggested a new file to use that never happened - and it was only when I fiddled today that I noticed things weren't right -- me and thousands of others, many with other distros, according to Google. Reinstalling CUPS, and just adding the printer back in via the GNOME gui for cups seems to have worked except for the weird errors saying I don't have permission to do that (even t
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20:10<Guest29>hey guys, I need to ask you fellers about dependecy problems I am having after trying to manuall install a .deb
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20:11<abrotman>Guest29: aptitude -f install
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20:15<Guest29>wow thanks thats exactly what I needed
20:16<Supaplex>and try to avoid pinging the channel...
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20:16<Guest29>my bad
20:17<Guest29>so I guess that command fixes everything :D
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20:18<abrotman>not always ..
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20:32<Kdas>hello all
20:34<Kdas>i need some help, lately i have been trying to connect to my ap wirelessly and surf the net whil ipmasq... but it seems not to work so i disabled ipmasq and just tryed that but still no luck. The route table looks fine according to my knoledge and the iptables are clean and ACCEPTing all traffic. any ideas ?
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20:35<Kdas>anyone alive?
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20:35<songyi>y
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20:36<songyi>can i help u?
20:36<Kdas>songyi, yea
20:36<Kdas>i need some help, lately i have been trying to connect to my ap wirelessly and surf the net whil ipmasq... but it seems not to work so i disabled ipmasq and just tryed that but still no luck. The route table looks fine according to my knoledge and the iptables are clean and ACCEPTing all traffic. any ideas ?
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20:36<bluntman225>hey does anyone know how to install a 2nd NIC in debian ?
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20:40<kdas>bluntman225, do you se you other nic under ifconfig ?
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20:43<bluntman225>no kdas, only eth0 and lo
20:43<digitalj>hi
20:43<bluntman225>kdas, no only eth0 and lo
20:44<kdas>bluntman225, did you check whether you have right modules?
20:44<kdas>digitalj, hi
20:44<bluntman225>no thats what I need help with
20:44<digitalj>just got done installing and setting up lenny
20:44<aetheria>is all the *.pid stuff in /var/run related to start-stop-daemon?
20:44<digitalj>minimal install + customized kernel
20:44<digitalj>:)
20:44<dondelelcaro>aetheria: and anything else that is running, yes.
20:45<digitalj>with fluxbox
20:45<dondelelcaro>aetheria: not everything that starts a daemon uses start-stop-daemon, but lots of things do
20:45<aetheria>dondelelcaro: but its a debian-specific type of thing, not a generic thing related to daemons and processes?
20:45<dondelelcaro>aetheria: having pidfiles is a generic thing; start-stop-daemon is Debian specific
20:46<aetheria>(i'm just trying to clarify what/if that relates to localstatedir with GNU make
20:46<kdas>bluntman225, ok well you need to do a lspci and see which nic is not registering then grab the name of your nic and use google
20:46<kdas>is there anyone that can help me out with my problem?
20:46<dondelelcaro>aetheria: eh? GNU make doesn't have a localstatedir. What are you actually building?
20:47<aetheria>dondelelcaro: i see that as a ./configure option for most things i build. it could just be a boilerplate template thing since a lot of apps might not even use it.
20:47<dondelelcaro>oh, that's part of autoconf iirc
20:47<aetheria>i just wasn't sure if that related to the .pid stuff in /var/run
20:48<dondelelcaro>aetheria: that's typically /var/something, depending on what the data file is
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20:48<aetheria>ok. thanks dondelelcaro.
20:49<dondelelcaro>aetheria: see http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEVARHIERARCHY if you want to know about it
20:49<bluntman225>kdas, when I try lspci It says command not found
20:50<kdas>bluntman225, what are you running whats your kernel ?
20:50<bluntman225>etch and a half
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20:50<bluntman225>kdas, etch and a half unless you want me to type the command to see my version
20:50<kdas>bluntman225, google lspci
20:51<bluntman225>ok
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20:55<kdas>would someone please help me with my wireless problem ? i am connecting to the AP getting an IP and the route table looks fine but can't ping google.com or anything. Windoze has no problem so whats up ?
20:55<flypiper>bluntman225, I think you might need to install pciutils to use lspci
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20:58<kdas>anyone ?
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21:00<kdas>other than route/dhclient/iptables what do i need to check to see whats messing up my connection to the internet?
21:01<bluntman225>kdas, both my ethernet cards are listed
21:01<bluntman225>flypiper, I have installed that
21:01<bluntman225>flypiper, thanks. Both my cards were listed
21:01<kdas>bluntman225, there both listed where? lspci or ifconfig ?
21:01<bluntman225>lspci
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21:01<bluntman225>kdas, just eth0 and lo
21:02<abrotman>!tell bluntman225 about interfaces
21:02<abrotman>you have to configure it
21:02<kdas>bluntman225, try "ifconfig up eth1"
21:02<kdas>abrotman, can you help me out with this connection problem ?
21:02<bluntman225>eth1: Host name lookup failure
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21:03<abrotman>kdas: who what?
21:04-!-Pelo [~jean@mtl-pppoe-adsl288.securenet.net] has joined #debian
21:04<Pelo>is this network part of freenode ?
21:04<kdas>abrotman, i have been having this problem that when i connect to my AP it gives me an IP but i can't ping anywhere outside the network. Route table seems fine and iptables is clear, so i am lost what to check for next
21:04<kdas>Pelo, i don't think so
21:05<abrotman>kdas: does it work wired ?
21:05<abrotman>Pelo: no, this is OFTC
21:05<Pelo>kdas, ok thanks , been having some issue connecting to irc.ubuntu and freenode and I'm trying other networks to see if it is related
21:05<kdas>bluntman225, paste the output for your nic that is not working (use pastebin)
21:06<kdas>abrotman, well i am sshed into the box via ethernet if thats what you mean
21:06<Pelo>thanks and sorry for the inturruption
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21:06<abrotman>kdas: are you connecting ot the AP with the wired connected also?
21:06<bluntman225> Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
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21:08<kdas>abrotman, no setup is like this ME ---wired--- ROUTER/PC >>>wireless<<< AP
21:08<abrotman>the PC is the router? running which OS?
21:08<kdas>abrotman, i am SSHed into the ROUTER/PC and just trying to ping from there but not working. ROUTER/PC = debian lenny
21:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 344] by debhelper
21:09<abrotman>so the PC doesn't work either ?
21:09<kdas>no thats the whole problem i am SSHed into the PC and can't ping from there
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21:11<kdas>abrotman, do you think there is some confusion between the eth0 and wlan0? like because i brought up the wlan0 up after is SSHed into it that it thinks that the eth0 is the net?
21:11<bluntman225>So now that my card is dected with lspci then I just have to edit one more thing right?
21:11<kdas>my default route is: 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0
21:11<abrotman>kdas: paste ifconfig and route -n in a pastebin
21:11<Toshset_problem>i need to install the toshiba_acpi.ko , but i dont know how
21:12<Toshset_problem>how can i done it?
21:13<kdas>abrotman, http://pastebin.com/d4d2dfab3
21:13<abrotman>Toshset_problem: that's already in your kernel
21:13<flypiper>bluntman225, you need to modprobe 8139 module and see if eth1 shows up using ifconfig
21:14<abrotman>kdas: if you use the console on the PC,and disable eth0 .. and try it then ?
21:14<kdas>bluntman225, look up your card on google and see if your kernel has support for it then, modprobe the module if needed then nano /etc/network/interfaces
21:15<Toshset_problem>but its apper not work
21:15<kdas>abrotman, oooohh thats going to be tricky.. i have no easy access to a monitor for the box and the box is in garrage/closet
21:15<Toshset_problem>there is nothing when i try modprobe it
21:15<abrotman>kdas: don't you have one on the PC you're using now ?
21:15<kdas>abrotman, everything looks ok as far as the ifconfing and route goes right ?
21:15<abrotman>oh .. nevermind .. i get it
21:15<kdas>abrotman, i am using laptop
21:16<abrotman>kdas: it looks okay .. but i'm asking you to try that to rule out routing issues
21:16<Toshset_problem>FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device
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21:17<kdas>abrotman, well if thats what it comes down to i can pull it off but can we try something else before i tear the house apart?
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21:17<abrotman>kdas: just tell the wife you're making room to put more stuff out there :)
21:17<Toshset_problem>FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device
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21:18<kdas>abrotman, lol... ok well here goes nothing be right back.. basically you wan me to ifconfig eth0 down and hope that it works ?
21:18<abrotman>kdas: not quite .. disable it in your interfaces file .. then restart networking completely
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21:19<kdas>abrotman, sh!7 i forgot i only have a ps2 keyboard for the pc and its unplugged :(
21:19<abrotman>hehe
21:19<Toshset_problem>please , anyone help??
21:19<Toshset_problem>FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device
21:20<kdas>abrotman, ok be right back :9
21:20<abrotman>Toshset_problem: it's telling you there's no device in the system for that driver
21:20<Toshset_problem>but iam using a Toshiba notebook
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21:23<abrotman>it doesn't mean you have hardware that driver supports
21:24<Toshset_problem>well.... i was using Vista, and it works... i think it works on linux too
21:25<abrotman>you have toshiba_acpi.ko on vista ?
21:25<kdas>abrotman, i sooo hope this is not something stupid... i am freezing my a$$ off down here...
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21:25<abrotman>kdas: your irc works there too ?!
21:25*kdas is |--| this close to putting winxp on router/pc
21:25<abrotman>!ipmasq
21:25<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html
21:26<kdas>abrotman, notebook + wireless = freezing irc
21:27<kdas>abrotman, ok that does not work i disabled eth0 in interfaces file and rebooted and still no luck
21:27<aetheria>what's the vim command to cut, not copy (yy)
21:27<kdas>aetheria, i think ll
21:27<kdas>kk*
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21:28<aetheria>that just moves the cursor
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21:28<abrotman>aetheria: dd
21:28<abrotman>!vi tutorial
21:28<dpkg>i heard vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html
21:28<aetheria>abrotman: that deletes!
21:28<abrotman>kdas: so the wifi on the PC is completely dead ?
21:28<abrotman>aetheria: yes .. that's "cut"
21:28<aetheria>abrotman: oh - yes!
21:28-!-Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> services.oftc.net quits: FloodServ
21:28<abrotman>hit "p" if you want to paste it then
21:29<abrotman>floodserv!!!!
21:29<aetheria>i never knew that. thanks!
21:29<kdas>abrotman, no and yes.. i can am getting ip from AP but not ping action
21:29<aetheria>i didn't know the delete and paste buffers were the same
21:29<Toshset_problem>by the way, the fn+Fx funcions wors well
21:29*kdas is freaking cold!
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21:30<abrotman>kdas: move to panama
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21:30<kdas>abrotman, seriously cali is only good during the spring
21:31<kdas>any ideas or should i boot up winblows
21:31<abrotman>kdas: which wifi card is it? which driver?
21:31<kdas>abrotman, rtl8187L
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21:33<abrotman>kdas: do you have the pciid from the device?
21:33*abrotman bets kdas "cold" is like 50F :)
21:34<kdas>abrotman, its a usb device
21:34<abrotman>usb id .. whatever
21:35<kdas>abrotman, 0bda:8187
21:35<abrotman>on lenny?
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21:35<kdas>yea
21:35<abrotman>rtl8187
21:35<abrotman>says that's the driver
21:35<abrotman>!rtl8187
21:35<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x
21:36<abrotman>kdas: is the wifi using dhcp ?
21:36<kdas>abrotman, yea thats the driver its using
21:36<kdas>yes dhcp
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21:37<Toshset_problem>:/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/acpi# grep -i toshiba /boot/config-2.6.26-1-amd64 CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=m CONFIG_YENTA_TOSHIBA=y
21:37<abrotman>Toshset_problem: you don't have that device
21:37<Toshset_problem>CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=m CONFIG_YENTA_TOSHIBA=y
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21:38<abrotman>that means you ahve the driver .. not the device
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21:38<abrotman>kdas: and your route still looks fine ?
21:38<abrotman>kdas: can you ping the AP ?
21:39<Toshset_problem>abrotman: i have the toshiba hardware that supports it, how can i show it to my computer?
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21:39<kdas>abrotman, route "looks" fine and as far as ping goes we get nothing
21:39<abrotman>kdas: can you even ping the IP it says you have ?
21:40<kdas>yea no problem
21:41<abrotman>do you see any hints in the system logs?
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21:41*abrotman wonders if two programs are trying to control it perhaps
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21:43<kdas>abrotman, nothin.. you out of ideas? cuz my hands are f'in frozen and i think its easier to just load up winbloz
21:43<abrotman>kdas: down to 45F ? :)
21:44<abrotman>kdas: i don't want to keep you out there .. take the PC inside :)
21:44<kdas>abrotman, too much trouble
21:44<abrotman>subjective
21:45<kdas>abrotman, no problem we will just put it down as a loss .... linux 999999 windows 5
21:45<Toshset_problem>does anyone know how to set a dynamic cooling method to my notebook?
21:45<abrotman>kdas: i'm sure you can make it work, but not with frozen hands
21:45<abrotman>kdas: ask again tomorrow .. someone else might have a better idea
21:45<kdas>abrotman, i don't got all the time in the world ;) i have a sh!7 load of homework to do
21:46<abrotman>kdas: at least i didn't ask you to disable all your AP security .. and try it then
21:46<abrotman>i'll do your homework, you fix linux
21:46<kdas>abrotman, yea no problem ;) windows can be my garage os
21:46<kdas>abrotman, haha i wish
21:46<abrotman>kdas: you can try that open AP another day
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21:53<Toshset_problem>im trying to use the powersaved package on lenny, anyone knows how to? i have installed it, but dont know how to use
21:54<Toshset_problem>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/powersaved
21:55<Toshset_problem>(Gnome)
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21:57<Toshset_problem>i want to use it to get dynamic cooling method and dynamic prossessor using
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21:59<bbcdd>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 145 not upgraded. My question is... why not upgraded and how can I get these to upgradE?
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22:00<abrotman>!tell bbcdd about held back
22:00<Toshset_problem>bbcdd try aptitude dist-upgrade
22:01<bbcdd>Toshset_problem; Thank you so much sir! Roger wilco, doing so now
22:01<Toshset_problem>im happy to help
22:01<bbcdd>Toshset_problem; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
22:01<Toshset_problem>im heppy for helping
22:02<bbcdd>Should be the equivalent timtowtdi?
22:02<abrotman>!tell bbcdd about why aptitude
22:02<Toshset_problem>use sudo, but aptitude is better to treat dependencies
22:02<bbcdd>Abrotman; Wise beyond your years and thus CERTAINLY wise beyond myself. Thank you very much. 6 stars will comply again.
22:03<abrotman>sudo should not be relied on
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22:03<Toshset_problem>abrotman you know about powersaved?
22:03<Toshset_problem>(debian package)
22:04<Toshset_problem>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/powersaved
22:04<abrotman>it has documentation ?
22:04<Toshset_problem>i have installed it, but i dont know how to use
22:04<abrotman>you're runnign gnome ?
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22:05<abrotman>did you check the Power Management interface ?
22:05<Toshset_problem>yes
22:05<Toshset_problem>on gnome? yes
22:05<Toshset_problem>nothing changed
22:05<abrotman>maybe you didn't hit the threashold ?
22:06<Toshset_problem>threashold?
22:06<Toshset_problem>sorry, what is it?
22:07<abrotman>threshold
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22:08<Toshset_problem>sorry, what is threshold?
22:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 338] by debhelper
22:09<Toshset_problem>my english is so bad . xD
22:10<kop>Toshset_problem : www.wiktionary.org
22:10<Toshset_problem>i know what it means now. Thanks
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22:11<Toshset_problem>but why did you told that?
22:11<Toshset_problem>i am bothering you?
22:12<kop>I've got a problem with split dns. I've a server in the DMZ doing dns, supplying some zones to the DMZ and the same zones with different content to the net. When I setup a slave dns server it sees the DMZ version of the zones and serves those to the net. What's the right way to slave a split DNS setup so that the slave can also serve split dns. I could use separate IPs for the slave notifies, updates, etc. (I think.) But that seems complicated.
22:13<kop>Toshset_problem : Just thought I'd tell you where to look for vocabulary help.
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22:15<Toshset_problem>ok, sorry i was talking with the other guy, it says that i was hiting the threshold
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22:15<Toshset_problem>i think i was bothering him
22:16<abrotman>no .. that's not what i said
22:16<abrotman>sorry, i was on the phone
22:16<Toshset_problem>ahn, i understand
22:17<Toshset_problem>but im using gnome, thew package is powersaved.\
22:18<Toshset_problem>i have installed it but dont know how to use it
22:18<kop>Humm... Google says the answer is separate IPs. :-P
22:18<craigevil-eee>why use powernowd at all? why not just use cpufrequtils
22:18<Toshset_problem>the power manager dont changed
22:18<Toshset_problem>(im using Gnome)
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22:20<kop>I guess I could use transaction signatures. Just as much of a pain to setup on the DNS end but simpler to keep track of the network arch.
22:20<Toshset_problem>its powersaved.. i want it to ajust cpufreq dynamically , but to cooling method too
22:21<Toshset_problem>i needc to reduce the battery usage of my laptop
22:22<Toshset_problem>for at last 1 hour and 40 minutes
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22:24<tczern>how exactly will I need to enter lenny as repository? I have "http://ftp.debian.org/dists/ lenny main" but it doesn't work
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22:26<kop>tczern : Looks like you're missing the leading 'deb'. man sources.list
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22:27<craigevil-eee>Toshset_problem: take a look at http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html
22:27<tczern>the leading deb? I am trying to find FontMatrix, not even sure if this is the right place
22:28<Toshset_problem>it treats of cooling method too?
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22:30<dondelelcaro>tczern: what are you actually trying to do?
22:31<tczern>I wan to install Fontmatrix
22:31<dondelelcaro>tczern: where?
22:31<tczern>in gnome
22:31<dondelelcaro>tczern: what version of Debian are you running?
22:31<tczern>aah, found it! thanks!
22:32<kop>dondelelcaro : (Any thoughts on split dns slaves?)
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22:32<dondelelcaro>kop: multiple ips or ports sounds like the right way to do it
22:33<dondelelcaro>kop: an alternative that I use personally is to use things like foo.dmz.bar.com for internal hostnames
22:33<kop>dondelelcaro : I'm thinking transaction keys. Keep the config out of network-wierd land.
22:34<kop>dondelelcaro : I want to keep my internal network design souper secret!
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22:34<dondelelcaro>kop: well, you don't have to transfer that subzone
22:34<kop>dondelelcaro : But I want the slave to be secondary for the subzone too. So, foolery ensues.
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22:35<dondelelcaro>why do you need a secondary to resolve names on the dmz that's not itself on the dmz?
22:36<dondelelcaro>(it may be possible to do it; I'm not enough of a bind expert to do so, though)
22:36<kop>dondelelcaro : Because it's also serving dmz names to the net, and there's rfc1918 martion addresses on the dmz.
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22:41<twb>debootstrap <args> works, but deboostrap --include=linux-image-686 <args> doesn't. What's up with that?
22:41<twb>W: Failure while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five times.
22:41<twb>For:
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22:41<twb>$ sudo rm -rf test; sudo debootstrap --arch i386 --include=linux-image-686,grub-pc lenny test http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian
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22:43<kop>twb: Were you the one looking for a mips emulator to cross compile darcs? Did you get one to work? Which one?
22:43<dmoerner>twb: doesn't --include take package names? linux-image-686 is not a package, linux-image-2.6-686 is
22:44<twb>dmoerner: they are both packages.
22:44<twb>dmoerner: the former depends on the latter.
22:44<twb>dmoerner: if it makes you feel any better, I tried linux-image-2.6-686 first.
22:44<dondelelcaro>twb: deboostrap doesn't know how to resolve dependencies
22:44<twb>dondelelcaro: hmm, it can certainly *find* the deps...
22:44<dondelelcaro>twb: so you have to do them manually; it's simpler to just use apt-get after the fact
22:44<dmoerner>twb: yes i was being dumb, nevermind.
22:44<twb>I: Found additional base dependencies: grub-common initramfs-tools klibc-utils libklibc liblzo2-2 libvolume-id0 linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 udev
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22:45<twb>dondelelcaro: only downside of that is that I need to piss about preventing daemons from starting in their postinsts, and removing the apt-get update lists afterwards, and suchlike.
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22:45<twb>dondelelcaro: I'm able to do all that, I just hoped I didn't have to
22:46<dondelelcaro>twb: cdebootstrap may work better
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22:46<twb>dondelelcaro: ooooh. I thought cdebootstrap was dumber.
22:46<twb>kop: yeah, I was, and I got it to work, but there's no bootloader for qemu MIPS.
22:47<twb>kop: I grabbed a qemu disk image some DD had made and gzipped up.
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22:47<twb>kop: wget http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/$i/debian_etch_mipsel_small.qcow.gz
22:47<kop>twb : sweet
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22:48<twb>kop: that still didn't get uclibc working, though :-(
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22:48<twb>kop: I haven't looked at it since I got to that point; I got the openwrt chroot working, but I couldn't "ipkg install gcc"! :-(
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22:49<Toshset_problem>i have added a info on a file using echo, how to remove it? i can edit it with gedit
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22:52<kdas>Anyone have any ideas why i can't connect to wireless internet ?
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22:53<kop>Toshset_problem : You want to delete the entire file?
22:53<Toshset_problem>no
22:53<Toshset_problem>i want to delete one line
22:54<kop>Toshset_problem : You remove the line and tell the editor to save the file.
22:54<kop>Toshset_problem : Sorry, but I don't know gedit.
22:54<Toshset_problem>but its the file /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor appears that i cant edit it
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22:55<Toshset_problem>i did it
22:55<Toshset_problem>thanks
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22:56<Toshset_problem>there is a interface for gnome that i can change power modes?
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22:59<Toshset_problem>how can i allow my computer to turnoff hard drive when its not been used?
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23:18<qingmuhaoli>ok
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23:20<Toshset_problem>there is any graphical interface to cpudyn ?
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23:21<mib_66odtr> Over 80% of Negros lack the necessary genetic mutations for Microcephalin that are necessary for higher cognitive thought processes. (Microcephalin Study, University of Chicago) Learn this and evenmore facts about the feral niiiigggger beast at Chimpout. http://www.chimpout.com/forum/index.php All non-negroid races are welcome! We love andrespect Asians, Whites, Indians, Native Americans, non-negroid Jews andHispanics, etc. Join us in the bat
23:21<abysed>no thanks
23:21<RIVE>I pass.
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23:22<simonrvn>thanks stew
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23:28<marryjane>hi
23:28<marryjane>10r
23:28<snogglethorpe>how come people just don't stay op'd?
23:29<marryjane>what are mean
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23:30<abysed>probabaly would get messages all the time for help
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23:36<dondelelcaro>snogglethorpe: because it's often seen as a status symbol, and with services and auto_bleh isn't necessary
23:36<dondelelcaro>(most of the time, it shouldn't matter who is an operator)
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23:49<oculus>I just killed bill now what?
23:50<stew>oculus: is this somehow debian related?
23:50<oculus>will my xbox controller work with xubuntu
23:51<stew>oculus: try #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
23:51<oculus>wait this sint the place to ask questions? i am sorry my fault
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23:52<shizumasa14>Hello.
23:53<oculus>stew how do i connect to that channel?
23:53<shizumasa14>Does anyone know how to add Yahoo servers to xchat? I want to be able to chat with friends that use Yahoo messenger.
23:53<stew>oculus: /connect irc.freenode.net ; then /join #xubuntu
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23:54<shizumasa14>How do I add the Yahoo server to xchat so I can chat with friends that use Yahoo?
23:54<shizumasa14>And MSN for that matter.
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23:55<craigevil>shizumasa14: use bitlbee
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