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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-01-29

---Logopened Thu Jan 29 00:00:15 2009
---Daychanged Thu Jan 29 2009
00:00<lee>sorry I havea headache so my tyoing is really bad
00:00<lee>jsut a sec getting my glasses
00:01<lee>Oh so that is what my HD tv looks like much better
00:02<lee>any how... I was merely mentioning that I recongnised some of the commands from early days of basic
00:02<lee>kill and so forth
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00:03<brian17>how do i create a user in debian?
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00:03<bbcdd>Lee; What's "Ubuts"?
00:03<lee>eh typ-o lol for Ubuntu
00:04<lee>hmm a New OS?
00:04<brian17>how do i add a user?
00:06<aetheria_>adduser
00:06<aetheria_>(run as root or via sudo)
00:07<lee>ah I have an answer but, For that ..But I don't think it is apprpriate for online duscussion though
00:08<lee>ohman my thinking patterns all messed up
00:08<lee>I'll come back when mind is clear
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00:27<bbcdd>irssi > bitchx
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00:39<metalqga>i'm running irssi and opera chat right now (in case I have to restart X irssi is the bkup)
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00:39<metalqga>of he left
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01:03*gwen is a pink bunny
01:04<metalqga>jm_ good morning
01:04<jm_>mornin'
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01:16<Waster>hello
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01:16<Waster>is blktap supported on debian lenny?
01:16<Waster>I tried to ask on xen channel but no answer
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01:17<Gavin33>hi
01:17<Waster>blktp on xen I mean
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01:19<jm_>did you check if kernel has support for it?
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01:20<Waster>CONFIG_XEN_BLKDEV_TAP=m
01:20<jm_>so there you go
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01:23<Waster>but there is no blktap modules loaded on startup and Xend gives "BLKTAPCTRL[24550]: couldn't find device number
01:23<Waster>for 'blktap0'
01:23<Waster>"
01:23<Waster>Unable to start blktapctrl
01:23<jm_>well try loading it yourself
01:23<Waster>tried and it was loaded
01:23<Waster>but
01:24<Waster>after xend restarted tap:aio devices not worked also
01:25<Waster>and xm block-attach too
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01:26<Waster>I tried to ask about it on different mailing list but with no answer
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01:26<jm_>I can't find that option in vanilla kernel
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01:28<jm_>must be some xen thing then
01:28<Waster>I used 2.6.26-1 lenny xen kernel
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01:29<jm_>I have no clue about it, try googling for your error messages
01:31<Waster>hm, tried with no luck..8\ Ok, thanks will try to ask again on xen channel
01:31<jm_>feel free to ask here later I suppose
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01:35<ale416>hi............
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01:44<lene-_->Hi. What's the policy regarding 'normal' bugs in stable? Are there any circumstances under which they get fixed?
01:44<jkoenig>no
01:44<lene-_->so it's basically useless sending in bug reports with patches attached, eh?
01:45<jkoenig>no beacause the bug may still be present in unstable
01:45<lene-_->well, what if I know that it isn't?
01:45<jkoenig>someone could still use your patch,
01:45<jkoenig>when they consult the BTS because they encounter the same bug..
01:46<lene-_->well, ok
01:46<lene-_->still a bit frustrating
01:46<jm_>why is it frustrating if you patched the thing?
01:46<lene-_->especially if it's such a dead simple thing
01:46<lene-_->frustrating that the fix will never make it into stable
01:46<jm_>it will
01:47<lene-_->erm
01:47<lene-_->so jkoenig was wrong?
01:47<jm_>next stable will have the fix
01:47<lene-_->..
01:47<lene-_->ok
01:47<chealer>lene-_-: the policy is that they're not fixed, but in practice they may get fixed.
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01:48<lene-_->ah
01:48<jm_>there were a few cases with last two releases where some bugs like that were included
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01:49<lene-_->heh, found a nice example of the sort of thing I mean. although it's lenny so not exactly stable but kinda close
01:49<lene-_->#513335
01:50<lene-_->very simple, obvious fix, annyoing to the people hitting it, still not going to make it in ;/
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01:51<lene-_->anyways thanks for the insights
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02:45<sushui>#dot
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02:54<ryuo>anyone here experienced with licensing issues with OSS when your creating software that links against other OSS libraries?
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03:09<decius>Hello.
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03:19<Supaplex>>.>
03:19<metalqga><.><.> :P
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05:00<metalqg>interesting, the screen was asleep after resuming from hibernation
05:01<metalqg>I guess it's fglrx agian
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05:02<jm_>heh that was happening to me when I was testing suspend without nvidia driver loaded
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05:04<[gloom]>hi there
05:05<[gloom]>has anyone installed amarok2 under sid with kde 3.5.10? Is it posible without install kde4 and without messing the whole system?
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05:09<metalqg>maybe it depends on kde4 libs?
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05:22<mike_>Hi! I need help. I update my system (Lenny/Sid testing) and after install fglrx driver screen resolution is 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024. <ctrl>+<alt>+<-> didn't change situation...
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05:27<metalqg>tried the amdcccle tool?
05:27<mike_>no
05:27<metalqg>if it doenst work then you'll have to edit xorg.conf
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05:28<mike_>no, I didn't. Just install fglrx and reboot
05:28<jim_p>how can i pin apt so as to get all the packages it can from the experimental repo?
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05:28<metalqg>mike look for this in synaptic (its part of the fglrx driver)
05:29<[gloom]>metalqg: yes, it should depend on kde4libs, but amarok is not on the sid repo. I have installed the packages for kde4libs. The question is that is it possible to install the experimental package of amarok2 without messing with the rest of the experimental branch?
05:29<jm_>there is no amarok2 package
05:30<mike_>amdcccle changed resolution. Thank you very much!
05:30<metalqg>jm_ xrandr fxiny always talks about will help mike_?
05:30<metalqg>ooo np
05:30<metalqg>sorry jm_
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05:31<jm_>metalqg: xrandr can be used to change resolution on the fly - if sucha modeline is allowed, it will be possible to switch to it, but in this case I'd say something else was wrong as it would normally get the best mode by asking the monitor
05:31<jm_>(and use it automatically)
05:31<metalqg>gloom try songbird a nicer player
05:31<themill>jim_p: you don't want to do that.
05:32<[gloom]>jm_: there's no package?
05:32<jm_>[gloom]: no, there is no package called amarok2 in Debian
05:32<themill>judd versions amarok
05:32<judd>themill: amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4 etch-security: 1.4.4-4etch1 lenny: 1.4.10-2 sid: 1.4.10-2 experimental: 2.0.1.1-1
05:32<jm_>yes, amarok exists, but not amarok2
05:32<themill>jm_: I'm not doubting that :)
05:33<jim_p>themill, i do. its my secondary installation in vbox, so i use it to check kde4, gnome 2.24 and the like
05:33<[gloom]>jm_: well, don't know the name exactly, but i'm pretty sure that amarok 2 is in the experimental repo
05:33<[gloom]>jm_: cheking it...
05:34<metalqg>btw linus is a gnome user because of kde4 :P
05:34<themill>jim_p: you can't use experimental like that though. Packages are not built against each other in experimental.
05:34<jim_p>themill, which means?
05:34<jm_>[gloom]: no, amarok version 2.x is
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05:35<[gloom]>jm_: yep. This is the package I was talking about
05:36<jm_>[gloom]: it depends on its dependencies
05:36<jim_p>themill, can i rephrase my "demand" on experimental?
05:36<jm_>in this case it looks like it depends on other stuff in experimental
05:36<[gloom]>jm_: exactly, that the definition of dependencies
05:37<[gloom]>jm_: just kidding. So, do you think it is possible to install this amarok package from experimental in sid?
05:37<themill>jim_p: the best approach is to pin with a value higher than 500 so that things already installed from experimental can be upgraded with aptitude {safe,full}-upgrade and install just the package you want with "aptitude install -t experimental foo".
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05:38<jim_p>themill, here goes my real life problem...
05:38<themill>jim_p: For more information, /msg dpkg experimental ; /msg dpkg pinning. But if you're using experimental, you're supposed to be clueful enough to get yourself out of trouble.
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05:40<jim_p>i installed kde4, minimal installation, to see how it is. but it did not have sound anywhere, even if alsa levels were high. and it needed KMIX to raise the volume levels for kde only!!! i looked apt-cache, installed kmix, but it was from sid, hence 3.5.x version. so i needed to drain the one from experimental
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05:41<jm_>[gloom]: not without installing some other stuff from experimental
05:41<[gloom]>jm_: aha. Ok. thanks a lot
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05:42<themill>jim_p: the versioned dependencies should be enough to aptitude -t experimental install kde4 (or whatever metapackage you want) and have it sort itself out. But you'll do better asking kde4 questions in #debian-kde.
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05:42<jim_p>jim_p, so my thought is, since that installation is for previewing reasons, why not drain everything from experimental? my main installation is debian testing
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05:42<jim_p>themill, thanks
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05:43<jim_p>i am such an idiot that i highlighted myself :P
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06:19<axel>Hello everyone
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06:21<axel>I need help about iptables. I want to create a rule which is valid, but it doesn't work, I can't create rules. I've tried some rules, and it doesn't work
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06:32<silner>axel I'm just going through http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html
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06:32<silner>It seems pretty comprehensive
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06:32<silner>I have yet to really get onto iptables but loads of help sites recommend that.
06:33<jm_>that's a great document
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06:42<Verlex>salve
06:42<Verlex>hi people
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06:44<Teddy>How do I install unstable via USB? What image do I copy?
06:45<jm_>sid has no installer
06:45<jm_>!sid faq
06:45<dpkg>http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny...
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06:45<Teddy>jm_: Thanks
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07:15<Teddy>jm_: OK, so the real answer turned out to be: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
07:17<jm_>Teddy: interesting, whre's that linked from?
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07:22<Teddy>jm_: Nowhere?
07:23<Teddy>jm_: I just browsed around cdimage.debian.org...
07:23<jm_>Teddy: ahh I thought they would put it in daily or somesuch there, not sid
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07:27<steffen>hallo
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07:28<steffen>kann mir jemand sagen wie ich unter gnome eine software wie openoffice installiere die im tar.gz verzeichnis vorliegt
07:29<valdyn>!de
07:29<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
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07:31<steffen>danke
07:32<nikko>hi.. I have problems with my UML, Now it does not get a ip-address assigned after I had tried to do some commands in iptables on my host.. How can I get it back, please someone?
07:33<hahnp>delete the rules
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07:34<nikko>I have tried with iptables -F, iptables -t nat -F iptables -t mangle -F .. it still not working :(
07:34<renanvec>HI!! someone can help me with a webcam problem pls ?????
07:34<jm_>how is it supposed to get the IP?
07:34<renanvec>I'm trying to configure my webcam at DEBIAN, the lsusb show me that:
07:34<renanvec> Pixart Imaging, Inc. Cammaestro 2.5DU/X-EYE/Orite SC-120/ICGear TravelCam/Easy Snap Snake Eye WebCam
07:35<renanvec>But at AMSN the image was black =(
07:35<nikko>The only way It worked for me is when it get it through a dhcp...
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07:35<jm_>so dhcp - does the request leave UML host at all?
07:35<jm_>renanvec: try gspca driver
07:36<nikko>yes.. it seems.. I tried to watch it through objdump...
07:36<nikko>sorry tcpdump
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07:36<jm_>tcpdump where?
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07:37<nikko>from my host , I ran tcpdump - i br0 -n
07:37<nikko>and (tcpdump -i br0 -n)
07:37<jm_>bridging?
07:37<nikko>yes...
07:37<renanvec>jm_, i need to restart system after this?
07:38<renanvec>jm_, or even AMSN ?
07:38<jm_>I think ebtables is for that
07:38<jm_>renanvec: well first load the driver and check what it says, you don't need to reboot, just possibly restart amsn if driver will handle your webcam
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07:39<renanvec>jm_, sorry, but how i can load the driver?
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07:39<renanvec>jm_, i have installed all gspca modules
07:39<jm_>renanvec: which kernel version are you using?
07:40<hahnp>nikko: do you have a copy of iptables? just reboot
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07:40<renanvec>jm_, Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686
07:40<jm_>renanvec: ahh ok, you can build it with m-a
07:40<renanvec>jm_, m-a?
07:40<jm_>renanvec: or did you install binary modules package for your kernel?
07:41<jm_>renanvec: dpkg -s gspca-modules-2.6.26-1-686
07:41<renanvec>i only installed gspca modules via apt-get
07:41<jm_>which package exactly?
07:41<nikko>what do you mean "copy"? .. My host can get on the internet, my UML does not get assigned a ip <(
07:41<renanvec>jm_, wait a minute pls
07:41<jm_>renanvec: ok clock is ticking!
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07:42<nikko>How can I get a copy from it_
07:43<jm_>you shouldn't need bridging for that, ip forwarding + nat will do
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07:43<renanvec>jm_, gspca-modules-2.6.26-1-686, gspca-modules-2.6.26-1-486 ,gspca-modules-2.6-686
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07:43<jm_>renanvec: ok, `modprobe gspca' then `dmesg' to check what it said
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07:44<hahnp>iptables-save
07:44<renanvec>jm_, hmmm what lines i need to show for you ?
07:45<jm_>renanvec: put last 30 on pastebin
07:45<jm_>!tell renanvec -about paste
07:45<renanvec>jm, can i send the gspca lines to you?
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07:45<renanvec>ok
07:45<nikko>ipforwarding + nat... I have tried with "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwarding" and "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" .. but it does not work...
07:46<jm_>nikko: but this won't help if you host doesn't get IP
07:46<renanvec>jm_, http://pastebin.com/d2f640bcf
07:46<nikko>my host get a IP .. my UML does not get anything.... :(
07:46<jm_>renanvec: looks fine, do you have /dev/video* device files?
07:47<renanvec>jm_, i think so, how can i check that?
07:47<jm_>yes, I meant your UML host needs an IP first
07:47<jm_>renanvec: well ls -l /dev/video*
07:47<renanvec>jm_, hey man wait, cheese recognize !!
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07:47<renanvec>jm_, i will try at amsn
07:48<nikko>I am affraid that I didnt fucked it up when I tried to do some of the iptables-commands....
07:48<jm_>cheese as in kde app?
07:48<jm_>well even if you did iptables -F will get rid of it all
07:48<renanvec>jm_, GOTCHA
07:48<jm_>ok so it works then
07:48<renanvec>jm_, i need to test now with someone, but the preferences at AMSN recognize the webcam
07:49<renanvec>jm_, Thanks!!!!!!
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07:49<jm_>no worries
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07:49<jm_>renanvec: add gspca to /etc/modules
07:50<nikko>hm..okay... what to do now.... Maybe I should check again if the request leave UML at all? (I used tcpdump) ... other ideas?
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07:51<jm_>well is there any particular reason you're using bridging with uml?
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07:52<nikko>No reason... so you recommend to remove bridges, and use ip_forwarding + nat? (as I posted in before)
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07:55<jm_>no, you need something that allows uml to reach outer world first, there are several ways to achieve that
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07:57<nikko>I just dont now precisely how..
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07:58<jm_>try this http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/old/UserModeLinux-HOWTO-6.html
07:58<jm_>or http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/old/networking.html
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07:59<nikko>ok thanks... I will look into it....
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08:03<renanvec>jm_, hey man!! sorry, but i have another problem XD the cam works fine at AMSN preferences and at cheese, an webcam app..
08:03<renanvec>jm_, but when i send to another people, the screen was black again
08:04<renanvec>jm_, i think this is a firewall problem no?? that famous problem that i need to open a port at router config, exclusive to amsn, or something like this, isnt it?
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08:08<renanvec>jm_, are you here?
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08:11<rainmanp7>Gdmorning :)
08:12<rainmanp7>real quick question :) in linux switching from headset sound to other soundcard device do you need to reboot ?
08:12<weasel>that question doesn't make any sense.
08:13<weasel>you should have all the sound devices available at all times.
08:13<weasel>therefor "in linux" you don't switch
08:13<Lenhix>I just choose the device in the app's config
08:13<jm_>renanvec: yes
08:14<Lenhix>For example: In XMSM, I go to output plugins, click the "config" button and select the integrated sound card or my USB headset from the dropdown list and voila
08:14<Lenhix>*XMMS
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08:15<renanvec>jm_, did you see what i say about webcam again X ?
08:15<renanvec>XD
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08:17<jm_>renanvec: I have no idea how amsn would work for that
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08:17<rainmanp7>weasel :) thanx :) so I could hear out of 2 devices at the same time then ? like my sound card and a USB headset ?
08:17<renanvec>jm_, hmm ok, thanks anyway!
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08:18<jm_>renanvec: did you check how amsn tells the other end where to find it?
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08:18<jm_>rainmanp7: yes if you configure it
08:19<rainmanp7>jm ok cool so it's either a driver or somthing issue then :)
08:19<valdyn>rainmanp7: you need to use pulseaudio ( for all sound stuff ) to get such advanced features nice and clean
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08:19<rainmanp7>man I really want to write drivers so bad for linux it's not even funny lol
08:20<rainmanp7>ok let me check for pulseaudio then ;)
08:20<valdyn>rainmanp7: its nicely documented at pulseaudio.org and needs quite some manual configuration
08:20<valdyn>rainmanp7: but once that is done you can switch audio devices while apps are playing sound
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08:21<rainmanp7>wow hrmmm gotta check the site yeah I got then pulseaudio thing rollin
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08:27<rainmanp7>ok i got the latest version thing. downlaoded it made a folder put that into the folder :) now is there a way to put all this stuff togeather and make it work or a website explaining how to do that ?
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08:28<rainmanp7>Thank you in advance
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08:42<rainmanp7>thank you :)
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08:45<Deiz>My server's had a vanilla PS1, I've modified my user's .bashrc, sourced it and restarted the sshd
08:46<Deiz>Yet upon a new login, the PS1 is still vanilla.
08:46<azeem_>Deiz: .bashrc is not sourced by login shells I believe
08:46<azeem_>try changing PS1 in .bash_profile
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08:46<Maulkin>have a look at .profile or .bash_profile
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08:47<rainmanp7>Is there a place where I can learn or join people in making a distro ,because I want to make one from scratch without using a floppy drive ;)
08:47<azeem>rainmanp7: what does a floppy drive have to do with this?
08:47<Deiz>cp'd .bashrc to .bash_profile, it's working on new logins.
08:48<rainmanp7>azeem because I went throuhg the linux from scratch website and it said i needed to hex read from a boot sector and copy crap from a hard drive boot sector or somthing like that ?
08:48<azeem>that still doesn't say anything about floppy drives
08:48<jm_>!bashrc
08:48<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. ask me about <bash eternal history>.
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08:52<rainmanp7>azeem well i was getting into the i forget the name of it that hello program the small thing that is written in asm and i didn't want to dink with the drive i was using and it was sujesting but not clarifying. I have um VMware and stuff and wanted to use that as a fake machine for testing the distro and my real machine by changing hard drives to see it work for real ;)
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08:54<azeem>rainmanp7: well, sorry; this sounds off-topic here, maybe try some linux-from-scratch channel
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08:54<rainmanp7>how do I change to a channel like that ?
08:55<ocadmin>hi i just installed xen but I dont have the xm commands??? In which package are the xm commands?
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08:55<azeem>rainmanp7: read your IRC client's documentation
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08:55<rainmanp7>ty
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08:56<mehdid>ocadmin: xen-utils-common
08:56<ocadmin>ok thanks trying to install :-)
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08:58<Lenhix>Is there any GUI app like gParted for KDE?
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08:58<jm_>you can run gparted in KDE
08:58<jm_>then there;s qtparted
08:59<jm_>or parted
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09:07<qsajeal>ïðèâåò
09:07<qsajeal>âñåì
09:08<qsajeal>ìîæåå ïîìî÷ü ñ óñòàíîâêîé äåáèàí?
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09:09<Lenhix>wtf?
09:09<fubard>um
09:09<fubard>russian?
09:09<qsajeal>ïðîáëåìà: íå âèäèò ñåòåâóþ êàðòó
09:09<Lenhix>dunon
09:09<Deiz>Looks like gibberish in Terminus.
09:09<qsajeal>Russian
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09:09<Lenhix>Here is english-only
09:09<qsajeal>Sorry
09:09<fubard>sweet good guess
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09:10<fubard>babelfish.yahoo.com is a translator
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09:12<noflash>!ru
09:12<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
09:12<qsajeal>I have some problems: while I install debian by netinstall It can't recognize my Network Interface Card(Atheros L1 Ethernet)
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09:13<Lenhix>What ISO are you using?
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09:13<qsajeal>CD-R NetInst
09:14<Lenhix>but.. etch? etchnhalf?
09:14<Lenhix>Perhaps the installation modules can't recognize it yet
09:14<qsajeal>etch
09:14<Lenhix>Is that NIC "too" modern?
09:14<qsajeal>10/100/1000 Base-T Controller I guess it's not too modern
09:15<gsimmons>!atl1
09:15<dpkg>methinks atl1 is a driver for the Attansic (now Atheros) L1 gigabit ethernet chipset, found in several Asus motherboards. Driver present in mainline kernels 2.6.21 and later ("modprobe atl1"). For kernels older than 2.6.21, use of the vendor driver is recommended. See http://atl1.sf.net for known bugs/problems and the vendor driver.
09:17<qsajeal>How can I install this driver? I must download it and copy to Floppy-disc?
09:18<jm_>qsajeal: use 2.6.26 kernel and it'll work
09:18<jm_>or 2.6.24 if you're using Etch
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09:23<jim_p>how can i install a .cgwd theme for compiz?
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09:46<Ikarus>hmz, any more info on etas for lenny ?
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09:46<dgodfather>hi guys i have a problem bridging my network card. i am using the scripts i will pastebin in sec, the problem is, after doing the bridge i am stuck with no network
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09:49<dgodfather>bridge start script -> http://pastebin.com/ma5f0e7d
09:49*erKURITA facepalms
09:49<dgodfather>bridge stop script -> http://pastebin.com/m48987e3e
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09:50<dgodfather>after doing the bridge i have no eth0 address
09:51<dgodfather>br0 gets the original eth0 address
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09:51<dgodfather>and no network is available
09:51<dgodfather>jkoenig, hi dude, how are you?
09:51<dgodfather>you helped me a lot last time, maybe you can do that again ?
09:52<erKURITA>ifconfig $eth 0.0.0.0 promisc up <= what does this do, by the way
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09:53<dgodfather>erKURITA, if only i had know :) true, don't run it if you don't understand it
09:53<erKURITA>I do
09:53<erKURITA>that's why I asked you
09:54<Lenhix>Enable promiscuous mode? erKURITA
09:54<dgodfather>erKURITA, ohh, well i don't know
09:54<dgodfather>please tell me
09:54<dgodfather>help me figure things out, why it's not working
09:55<erKURITA>according to the man and what I know, it sets the interface ip to 0.0.0.0, enables promiscuous mode and brings up the interface
09:55<Lenhix>man ifconfig and find out what that promisc up thing does
09:55<erKURITA>promisc is a flag
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09:56<dgodfather>erKURITA, well i makes all packets received by the interface
09:56<Lenhix>perhaps because you are setting the $eth interface address to 0.0.0.0 it's getting messed up?
09:56<erKURITA>^
09:56<erKURITA>0.0.0.0 is not a "valid" ip, in routing terms
09:57<Lenhix>ifconfig $eth promisc up would work, I think
09:57<dgodfather>erKURITA, ohhhhhh right
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09:58<dgodfather>so i need to designate the eth0 address?
09:58<dgodfather>it's not enough that the NIC name is there
09:58<dgodfather>?
09:58<erKURITA>no, you just need to leave the IP address out
09:58<erKURITA>and it should do the trick
09:59<dgodfather>OK i will try that
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10:02<dgodfather>erKURITA, OK so now i do have the ip in the eth0 as well as in br0 but still no network when bridged
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10:05<Lenhix>I know Endian Firewall uses bridging... perhaps it's too tricky to take a look at it's files to see how it does the bridge
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10:07<dgodfather>Lenhix, are you talking to me?
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10:15<dgodfather>erKURITA, well i read all the script and man'd it. so i don't understand why it doesn't work still
10:15<Lenhix>yep dgodfather, I was
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10:16<dgodfather>well i don't know these stuff would you like to explain what you said?
10:16<dgodfather>sorry for the ignorance
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10:17<Lenhix>Endian is a linux/iptables-based firewall. I've used it and I know it bridges the interfaces. I've never looked at the inti scripts that bring up the bridges, but perhaps you could take a look and get an idea
10:17<Lenhix>Although, that'd be.. not tricky, but... would take long
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10:20<qsajeal> It's i again. I've used distr for i386, but i have amd64 processor . Is it problem?
10:20<dgodfather>Lenhix, you say the firewall bridges the interface? i don't really understand
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10:21<hahnp>qsajeal: should be compatible the other way round would be a problem i think. but its not the optimum
10:21<qsajeal>Is it can be a REASON of my problem with Network card?
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10:21<hahnp>what problem do you have with network
10:22<qsajeal>debian installer can't recognize my Atheros L1 Gigabit Network Card
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10:23<m4dc0ckr04ch>hi all
10:23<m4dc0ckr04ch>need some help
10:24<gsimmons>qsajeal: No. The ATL1 wasn't supported in the mainline kernel until 2.6.21. Use an "etchnhalf" installer or install lenny: /msg dpkg etchnhalf ; /msg dpkg install lenny
10:24<m4dc0ckr04ch>trying to compile samba with some features
10:24<m4dc0ckr04ch>but it gives me one error when i try to dpkg-builpackage
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10:25<m4dc0ckr04ch>LDAP_NO_MEMORY undeclared...
10:25<m4dc0ckr04ch>i select whe option --without-ldap but its giving this erorr
10:25<m4dc0ckr04ch>can someone help me?
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10:26<m4dc0ckr04ch>which package should install to give me that function (libldap2-dev allready installed)
10:26<m4dc0ckr04ch>?
10:26<frunsk>my x server crashes here's my log http://paste.debian.net/27181/
10:28<frunsk>i can't understand why
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10:28<dgodfather>I can't ping out side after bridging can anyone help me?
10:29<hahnp>how did you bridge?
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10:30<hahnp>frunsk: can you show your xorg.conf
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10:33<Lenhix>dgodfather: yep. Endian creates bridges for the interfaces
10:33<dgodfather>hahnp, i bridged like this
10:33<Lenhix>I think it does that to set the interfaces in promiscuous mode and capture all traffic and provide network traffic analysis
10:33<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/ma5f0e7d
10:34<frunsk>dgodfather, http://paste.debian.net/27182/
10:34<dgodfather>Lenhix, dude, you say something i don't understand and disappear :)
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10:35<dgodfather>hahnp, and i removed the 0.0.0.0 before setting the promisc mode to up
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10:36<frunsk>dgodfather, this is probably where the error occurs http://paste.debian.net/27183/
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10:38<dgodfather>hahnp, did you see something problematic there except the 0.0.0.0 address?
10:39<hahnp>did you write that script?
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10:42<dgodfather>hahnp, nop
10:42<dgodfather>took ready made from the open vpn site
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10:43<dgodfather>sorry, for the opvnvpn examples directory
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10:43<dgodfather>hahnp, just changed the relevant data
10:43<dgodfather>configuration
10:43<dgodfather>hahnp, why? is it wrong?
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10:44<hahnp>and is there n error or something
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10:44<dgodfather>well no error, only i can't surf
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10:44<dgodfather>i don't get network
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10:45<dgodfather>after running the bridge-start script i cant ping outside computers(didn't try inside ones)
10:45<famelix>i
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10:46<dgodfather>hahnp, can't do that either, tried now
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10:46<dgodfather>i can only ping myself. when pinging others it's stuck
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10:48<rauthor>im first time here.sorry for language but dont now english
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10:54<hahnp>hm... my network crashed
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10:54<dgodfather>hahnp, well can you help me?
10:54<hahnp>^^
10:54<hahnp>as i said my network crashed :D
10:55<dgodfather>well it happens OK thanks
10:55<dgodfather>bye for now
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11:12<theocrite>Hi
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11:13<goodger>theocrite: hi
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11:14<theocrite>I just installed a new etch from scratch. I needed a software reid. So I did 3 partitions on each disk (500M for /boot 500M for swap + everything else for a LVM partition)
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11:14<theocrite>Then, with the installer still, I did RAID 1 for the LVM and for /boot and a RAID 0 on the swaps.
11:15<weasel>don't run swap on raid0.
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11:15<theocrite>Now it boots perfectly (with lilo though. Can't grub handle this configuration ?) But I don't see /boot in mount or df. Is it expected ?
11:16<theocrite>I expected it to show something like /dev/md1 => /boot.
11:16<theocrite>weasel: why ?
11:16<weasel>no point.
11:16<weasel>either you expext disks to fail, then use raid1. or if not simply swap on the individual disks directly, less overhead
11:16<jrabbit>don't use swap.
11:16<jrabbit>:P
11:16<theocrite>If I swapon both disqk it will do the same ?
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11:17<weasel>if you use the same priority, yes.
11:17<weasel>only better.
11:18<theocrite>jrabbit: I didn't want swap at start, but well, it's only 500M of a 80Gb hard drive, and I don't want swap over RAID over LVM. So I took the "less worse" choice.
11:18<theocrite>weasel: hm ok. Can you remember me how to specify priorities ? I can't remember.
11:18<theocrite>fstab ?
11:18<weasel>check the manpages.
11:19<theocrite>Yes, of course... which one s ?
11:19<stew>theocrite: swapon
11:19<theocrite>thx
11:21<jrabbit>theocrite: swap is a waste
11:21<weasel>no it's not.
11:21<jrabbit>the kernel supprots swap files
11:21<weasel>stop giving bad advice
11:21<jrabbit>no need for swap space
11:21<weasel>now that may be correct even
11:21<weasel>that's wrong again.
11:22<jrabbit>the kernel supports swap files
11:22<weasel>jrabbit: maybe you could say swap partitions when you mean swap partitions.
11:22<jrabbit>and will use them when there isn't a swap partition
11:22<jrabbit>then again I haven't ever needed it
11:22<theocrite>So I guess that it's normal that I don't see /etc in mount and df ?
11:22<jrabbit>the heavy programs that could do it allways swaped on their own. ;)
11:24<stew>theocrite: /etc is part of /
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11:25<theocrite>stew: sorry, I meant /boot, that I separated on purpose to use LVM on everything else.
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11:50<Velo>Hello, i'm new to all this, and I was just wondering how do I know which Debian to download? ([alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch])
11:51<Velo>I think I need ia64, is there anyway to confirm this?
11:51<weasel>if you have to ask then you don't need ia64
11:51<hahnp>you maybe should know what your system is like
11:51<weasel>you either want i386 or amd64
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11:52<streuner>tell us what CPU you have
11:52<Velo>Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5450 @ 1.66GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.7GHz
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11:53<Velo>(Copied from dxdiag)
11:53<weasel>you either want i386 or amd64.
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11:55<Velo>Really?
11:55<hahnp>i386
11:55<Velo>What are those things called?
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11:56<hahnp>processor architecture
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11:57<Velo>I personally thought it was ia64
11:57<johns>Is something wrong with the syntax of apt-cache search ~Alenny or apt-cache search ~Atesting? It doesn't return any results on this lenny system.
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11:58<petemc>johns: i think you're using aptitude syntax with apt-cache
11:59<Velo>What does 'ia64' stand for?
11:59<hahnp>intel itanium 64....
11:59<johns>petemc: heh, not sure where I got in my head that I should expect that to work :)
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11:59<dr|z3d>johns: apt-cache search <string> should work, assuming you have apt-cache installed.
12:00<hahnp>Velo: by the way you know google?
12:00<dr|z3d>johns: I'm not convinced by the ~ though.. try losing that.
12:01<Velo>Yes?
12:01<johns>dr|z3d: no, I was just being dumb and using aptitude syntax. ~A in aptitude searches for the archive.
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12:01<hahnp>Velo: you maybe want to try searching yourselfe and just not ask every simple question like a 10year old
12:02<Velo>I was just wondering
12:02<Velo>Because I thought my proccessor was ia64
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12:03<stew>Velo: its not, its amd64
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12:03<petemc>its not hard to find the fact you use amd64 on intel confusing
12:03<Velo>What?
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12:04<Velo>But I was told i'm using 1386?
12:04<Velo>i*
12:04<stew>Velo: you might be. your cpu can run either i386 or amd64
12:04*petemc further confuses the issue
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12:04<bozkurt>hello
12:05<Velo>Right
12:05<Velo>So how do I find out which one?
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12:05<bozkurt>whats you name?
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12:14<chealer>Velo: it can run i386 *and* amd64
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12:15<chealer>(but not really at the same time)
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12:21<gencho>hey
12:21<gencho>anybody here ?
12:21<InkBottle>Hi, how do I do to print an image?
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12:22<gencho>how can i turn off my X ,why i have to install Nvidie Drivers :S
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12:23<lorre>Hey folks.
12:24<hahnp>what you want to turn off?... restart it?
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12:24<lorre>Anyone who can tell me how to install Debian next to my existing WinXP? All the reading got me even more confused :$
12:26<hahnp>just need an extra partition
12:26<lorre>I see. Things like Partition Magic I'm guessing..and that will in no way harm my existing files?
12:27<peej>gencho: ctrl alt backspace?
12:27<hahnp>if you do it right it will not
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12:27<hahnp>peej: hes gone already
12:27<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m66cd6066
12:27<chealer>InkBottle: which desktop environment do you use?
12:27<hahnp>dgodfather: here again? ^^
12:28<dgodfather>Hi everyone. please help me with configuring bridge network interface. i get very hard time with it. i run this script -> http://pastebin.com/m66cd6066
12:28<dgodfather>hahnp, yes, can't figure it out
12:28<dgodfather>it's not working
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12:28<InkBottle>chealer: It prints perfectly with gimp-gutenprint; but I have hundred printing to do
12:28<dgodfather>and it seems to succeed but i have no network.
12:28<dgodfather>can anyone help me configure the bridge correctly so i can get out of my network with bridging?
12:28<lorre>Okay, last question, how big a partition do i need to create?
12:28<hahnp>dgodfather: can you explane what you want to achive?
12:28<Lenhix>lorre: I found a Windows app called DirMS that not only defragmented the NTFS partition but moved all the data to the beggining of the disk, leaving the end of it available for resizing and decreasing the risk of losing data
12:28<Lenhix>Then I used PartitionMagic, opened up space and installed Debian
12:29<Lenhix>I have both working smooth now
12:29<InkBottle>chealer: it's a bit long with mouse
12:29<dgodfather>well it's like this, i want a openvpn connection. for that i need tunneling the tap interface to the physical NIC
12:29<dgodfather>to do so i need to use the bridging
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12:29<lorre>Aha. Thanks, Lenhix.
12:30<dgodfather>but every time i try the bridging (even removing all related openvpn lines for now) i don't have a network
12:30<dgodfather>i cant leave locahost
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12:30<hahnp>why you want to tunnel there
12:30<Lenhix>You're welcome lorre
12:30<dgodfather>hahnp, cause i want to be able to vpn into my computer
12:31<theocrite>Hm, I can't stop my md array. When trying mdadm -S /dev/md0, it tells me 'resource or device busy' even though /proc/swap tells me that no swap partition is active
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12:32<hahnp>dgodfather: why dont you just use pptpd
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12:33<dgodfather>because i use openvpn
12:33<dgodfather>that is my need
12:33<hahnp>y?
12:33<dgodfather>that is the problem i want to resolve
12:33<dgodfather>because that is the network design i have to cope with
12:33<dgodfather>what difference does it make
12:33<dgodfather>the question is how
12:34<hahnp>http://www.shorewall.net/OPENVPN.html
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12:36<dgodfather>hahnp, the problem i am having is not yet related to openvpn but to debian bridge configuration
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12:37<dgodfather>hahnp, looks it might help thanks
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12:52<gsedek>hello there, does anyone know why I get ssl_error_rx_record_too_long in firefox? server is apache2.2 ssl debian stable
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12:52<aikidzin>hi all
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12:54<wekt>Is there a way to forbid a package (e.g. mono-runtime), not just a certain version?
12:54<stew>gsedek: are you trying to talk ssl to a non-ssl port?
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12:55<stew>wekt: you could pin it: man apt_preferences
12:55<tczern>just downloaded exsample files for XaraLX, where is this saved?
12:56<gsedek>stew: perhaps let me check. thx
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12:56<gsedek>stew: yes you right. thx
12:57<chealer>dell: which chipset does your optical drive's controller use?
12:57<peej>dgodfather: did you build that script yourself or grab it from a how to?
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12:59<metalqga>dell still no luck?
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13:00<peej>dgodfather: I'm wondering about the sequence in which you've done stuff. You've set it in promisc mode after bridging to it. Dunno if that's ok.
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13:05<InkBottle>I'm still looking for a way to print an image quickly (not too much manipulation)
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13:08<hahnp>you mean to a printer?
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13:09<khuram>dears i want to make my hosting server
13:09<peej>inkbottle: get it to ps, then print. Or use imagemagick I guess. What are your needs exactly?
13:09<khuram>any boday help me
13:09<khuram>i installed uanto server 8.11
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13:10<sepski>InkBottle, a2ps then print
13:10<barnes>khuram this is debian ubuntu channel is on freenode
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13:11<Hydroxide>khuram: if you want help with ubuntu, go to irc.freenode.net and join channel #ubuntu.
13:11<twobitsp1ite>how would you launch a command in the background such that it won't die when the terminal does?
13:11<khuram>ok
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13:11<khuram>sorry
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13:11<peej>twobitsplite: nohup
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13:12<weasel>twobitsp1ite: or start it in screen
13:12<hahnp>twobitsp1ite: nohub
13:12<jkoenig>twobitsp1ite: or start it in screen :-)
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13:13<jkoenig>screeu sorry
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13:16<InkBottle>sepski: I see what I can do in this direction
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13:23<Codex_>what's the best way to handle diversions? (I want 3d accel to work with fglrx, and I get diversions for libGL.so.1 and it uses wrong lib and acceleration doesnt work. :)
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13:27<hahnp>Codex_: got some error messages for us?
13:28<Codex_>libGL error: __driCreateScreen() not defined in fglrx_dri.so! // glxinfo gives this.
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13:30<InkBottle>I can't start kpdf neither from command line nor from menu, nor from clicking on a pdf file; but it accepts to start when i open the file in a new tab of konqueror
13:31<hahnp>hm can you show wheres the fglrx_dri.so is linked to...
13:31<themill>Codex_: if you isntall fglrx using the debian packages, then this is all taken care for you
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13:32<hahnp>Codex_: can you show wheres the fglrx_dri.so is linked to
13:32<themill>InkBottle: do you have famd or gam_server running?
13:33<hahnp>the fglrx_dri.so module is linked against libGL. In my case it was linking against the Mesa libGL, not the ATI libGL libraries located in /usr/lib/opengl/ati/lib. My solution was to emerge eselect-opengl and then run eselect opengl set ati. You can easily switch back to xorg-x11 gl interface by running eselect opengl set xorg-x11.
13:34<Codex_>hahnp: fglrx_dri.so -> /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so
13:34<Codex_>hahnp: that symlink is in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri
13:34<InkBottle>themill: it started at last but after a very long while (minutes)
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13:35<themill>InkBottle: :( check in top if something is thrashing away.
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13:38<VTommy>hi guys
13:38<VTommy>anyone can help with problems with clamav anti-virus to scan emails properly?
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13:39<VTommy>seems that i'm missing /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl but to no availe it won't create the file
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13:41<VTommy>anyone can help?
13:41<dkr>who is /var/run/clamav owned by?
13:41<VTommy>i'm using debian etch
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13:41<weasel>clamd will create the file.
13:41<weasel>but it might take a couple of minutes to start up sometimes.
13:41<VTommy>Debian-exim
13:42<VTommy>should that be clamav ?
13:42<weasel>depends on your setup.
13:42<dkr>maybe it has to be group-owned (and writable) by clamav
13:42<dkr>(mine is)
13:42<VTommy>but i think clamav is part of Debian-exim
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13:43<dkr>no, but debian-exim needs to eb abel to write to the clamv control socket, hence the ownership I think
13:43<dkr>did enough time elapse to discount weasel's point that it takes a while to create?
13:44<dkr>are there errors in the logs when you start it?
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13:50<fastidio>hi all
13:50<ubuntu>a
13:50<ubuntu>sa
13:50<fastidio>somebody knows why amarok from experimental won't work?
13:50<fastidio>cannot play song
13:51<VTommy>dkr not sure
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13:51<VTommy>it's been running fine until an update
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13:53<chealer>fastidio: ask #debian-kde
13:54<fastidio>it's not a kde utility
13:54<Lenhix>How can I install the GTK version Firefox 3 requires in etch? Should I change etch to lenny in sources.list, apt-get update and install GTK?
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13:55<stew>Lenhix: not unless you want to upgrade everything to lenny
13:55<fastidio>Lenhix: you've to add lenny in source.list
13:55<fastidio>and to install gtk
13:56<stew>fastidio: check the bts
13:56<fastidio>configuring peeking
13:56<cvalero>r4rr3rr3r3r3
13:56<fastidio>btw, upgrade to lenny
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13:56<fastidio>without peek
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13:57<fastidio>etch it's almost obsolete
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13:58<dkr>just shake it really well for a fresh start
13:58<sebo>türkce bilen varmı
13:58<fastidio>stew: what's the meaning of bts?
13:58<stew>fastidio: the bug tracking system
13:58<dkr>!tu
13:58<fastidio>:)
13:59<fastidio>excuse me
13:59<dkr>!turkish
13:59<dpkg>turkish is, like, #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr
13:59<stew>fastidio: check for bugs against version of amarok in experimental
13:59<Lenhix>I don't want to upgrade to lenny. I know it's frozen unstable... but I want to upgrade just GTK to be able to use Firefox instead of Icewweasel
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13:59<fastidio>Lenhix: also if you upgrade gtk
14:00<fastidio>you have iceweasel in debian, not firefox
14:01<stew>Lenhix: you'll have to compile gtk yourself then
14:01<Lenhix>But I can download Firefox for Linux. Actually, that's what I did, but it says I need a more recent version of GTK
14:01<stew>yes, it needs a version of gtk which isn't available for etch
14:02<Lenhix>So... must I compile GTK or can I edit the sources.list for a moment, install the new GTK and switch back to etch?
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14:03<stew>Lenhix: we'd recommend upgrading to lenny instead
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14:04<fastidio>have you a server?? don't think so
14:04<fastidio>upgrade
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14:04<Lenhix>I don't have a server.. it's just my machine @ the office
14:04<fastidio>lenny is stable
14:04<chealer>Lenhix: if you don't mind, why do you want Firefox 3?
14:05<Lenhix>I like it more than Iceweasel 2.0.0.19
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14:05<Lenhix>I guess there'd be an Iceweasel 3
14:05<Lenhix>Just that I don't know where it is
14:05<fastidio>in lenny
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14:06<fastidio>iceweasel (3.0.5-1)
14:07<fastidio>listen to me, upgraed
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14:07<chealer>Lenhix: IMO, you'd better keep using Iceweasel 2 unless you have to a good reason to switch to Firefox 3 or lots of time on your hands.
14:07<fastidio>you'll have a good, stable version of the best distro
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14:07<Stuckey>I have a question about x86, amd64, kernels, etc.
14:08<Stuckey>I have a dual core intel chip; should I run x86 or?
14:08<fastidio>x86
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14:08<Stuckey>I tried am64 but it says that the kernel requires an x86-64 chip, but that I only have an i686
14:08<hahnp>than you should use that ^^
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14:09<theocrite>Is there no way to use grub with a LVM over RAID ?
14:09<theocrite>debian installer doesn't let me install grub, I can only choose lilo
14:09<Stuckey>hahnp, but there's no "i686" on the download website... ?
14:09<weasel>doesn't mean it isn't possible.
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14:09<weasel>as long as you have your /root not on lvm it should all work
14:09<weasel>erm
14:09<weasel>/boot
14:10<stew>Stuckey: yes, there is "i386" which will contain a i686 kernel
14:10<fastidio>Stuckey: use i386
14:10<chealer>Stuckey: which CPU model do you use?
14:10<Stuckey>Okay so what's the difference between i686 and i386 if it uses the same install CD?
14:10<Stuckey>chealer, it's an intel 8400
14:11<fastidio>stuckey, for all this questions google is your best friend
14:11<theocrite>weasel: you mean that if I pu t/boot out of my /, it will let me install grub ?
14:11<chealer>Stuckey: is that the full name?
14:11<weasel>theocrite: maybe.
14:11<Stuckey>Intel Core 2 Duo 8400
14:11<weasel>what I'm also saying is that you need not care what d-i will let you do
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14:13<chealer>Stuckey: you must run x86
14:13<Stuckey>chealer, but I can run a 64 bit kernel, right?
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14:14<weasel>Stuckey: if the kernel says that you can't run a 64 bit kernel then ...
14:14<chealer>Stuckey: yes. there 64-bit x86 CPUs since several years.
14:14<chealer>s/there/there are/
14:14<theocrite>weasel: ok, but i'm afraid that grub-install will break my install
14:14<weasel>theocrite: then fix it again
14:14<weasel>Stuckey: tho I am surprised it would say that
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14:15<Stuckey>chealer, so I download the x86 install CD... and then how do I run a 64 bit version from this? Isn't this 32 bit?
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14:15<Lenhix>In the worst case you'll have to download an appropiate 64-bit kernel image and reboot
14:15<Lenhix>Though, i don't know what's the appropiate 64-bit kernel image
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14:16<weasel>Stuckey: why would you run 32 bit userland with 64 bit kernel?
14:16<Stuckey>weasel, I have no idea.
14:16<Stuckey>weasel, really my question is what I should be running with this CPU.
14:16<weasel>I'd run 32 bit userland and kernel if I had less than 4 gigs of ram
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14:17<weasel>and 64 bit if I had more and didn't need any non-free crap
14:17<chealer>Stuckey: there are several x86 install CD-s. the first thing to choose is the Debian architectures. There are 2 that will work on your machine: i386 and amd64. if you use i386, the system will run in 32-bit mode. if you use amd64, your system will use the full x86-64 instruction set.
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14:17<matttis>how do I allow every user to umount a cdrom by clicking on the hardware button?
14:17<chealer>s/the Debian architectures/your Debian architecture/
14:18<enouf>matttis: what button?
14:18<matttis>eject button on the computer
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14:18<matttis>you know what hardware means? ;)
14:18<enouf>tray eject button? you don't
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14:19<Stuckey>chealer, when I runt he amd64 disk (of lenny) it says "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU."
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14:19<enouf>type eject /dev/cdrom
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14:19<weasel>Stuckey: I find that hard to believe. are you sure you have that core2?
14:19<debianNooB21>weasel: what are you saying that the only benifit to 64-bit is the wide memory support?
14:19<weasel>Stuckey: and you haven't disabled anything in the bios?
14:19<chealer>Stuckey: are you sure that "Intel Core 2 Duo 8400" is the full name of your CPU?
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14:19<weasel>debianNooB21: the only relevant one for most people
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14:19<enouf>Stuckey: is that a xen boot?
14:19<Stuckey>enouf, virtualbox ose
14:20<weasel>*sigh*
14:20<enouf>ugh
14:20<weasel>*sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh* *sigh*
14:20<stew>weasel: put a paper bag over your mouth to prevent hyperventilation
14:20<weasel>stew: can I not just kill a user instead?
14:20<stew>weasel: correct
14:20<enouf>heh
14:21<matttis>enouf: but I the user isnt logged in anymore no one else then root can umount the cdrom? Thats silly
14:21<matttis>s/I/if
14:21<Hydroxide>virtualbox is pretty useful...
14:21<debianNooB21>what just happen??? is he running a VM?
14:21<enouf>matttis: mount it using the 'users' option
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14:22<dr|z3d>virtualbox is useful, sure. the ose version is lacking some details, however, such as support for usb, 3d acceleration..
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14:22<matttis>enouf, so?
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14:23<Stuckey>Okay so VirtualBox doesn't support amd64?
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14:24<enouf>or, ensure other users are in the; .... cdrom audio plugdev groups as well, or give those other users sudo priv, but for umounting the cd/dvd drive only (which is basically what the 'users' option does)
14:25<enouf>Stuckey: that version is basically telling you that, i'd say .. look into it
14:26<chealer>Stuckey: their IRC channel would know better
14:26<Stuckey>Oh okay, thanks.
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14:30<debianNooB21>Stuckey: Stright from virtualbox website::: VirtualBox is a family of powerful x86 virtualization </wiki/Virtualization> products for enterprise as well as home use
14:31<Stuckey>Ah okay, so then it doesn't work with amd64; thanks
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14:33<dr|z3d>Amd64 does emulate x86 instructions, Stuckey..
14:33<metalqg>it's nice your cpu is intel
14:33<metalqg>:P
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14:33<debianNooB21>Stuckey: sorry nevermind go to there site. I don't know the different between vb and vb ose. But Debian support VB with AMD64.
14:33<dli_>is there a free software flash editor/generator?
14:34<Stuckey>So with this CPU I should be running the AMD64 debian CD or the x86? Sorry I'm a little confused...
14:34<dr|z3d>The difference between the OSE and Sun's version of VirtualBox is the extra support, debianNooB21.. Sun's version supports USB, 3d acceleration and other things, which the OSE does not.
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14:36<debianNooB21>dr|z3d : I'm on virtualbox.org, is that only for OSE? because they have Sun logo all over that website.
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14:37<dr|z3d>debianNooB21: If it's got the Sun logo all over it, it's probably Sun's version, not the OSE one.
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14:38*xrm waves to everyone
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14:38<xrm>hi, i got two quick quesitons if there's anyone around
14:38<dr|z3d>Just ask, xrm.
14:38<hahnp>go on
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14:39<xrm>i remember there's a website that i should add to my aptitude update list, thats not there by defualt, i had ti before but forgot to sve it before i reformatedd
14:39<xrm>does anyone happen to know it?
14:39<hahnp>^^
14:39<xrm>also, i'm trying to add my main user accont to the sudoers file, but i have no idea where to look, where would that be?
14:40<stew>xrm: can you show us your current sources.list? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
14:40<jim_p>how do i make konqueror use flash?? it does find the plugin in options, but it does not use it
14:40<stew>xrm: man sudoers
14:40<hahnp>/etc/sudoers
14:40<metalqg>xrm you can add the closest server to you with synaptic
14:41<xrm>well, it was like a backup thing for the deiban apt get
14:41<VTommy>anyone can help with clamav problem in emails?
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14:41<xrm>leme paste my servers
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14:41<debianNooB21>dr|z3d: vitualbox xVM and OSE are both released by Sun Sys.
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14:42<xrm>well, also i'm not running irc on my debian machien, i'm using a windows machien to shh to a different machine my friend runs (schol blocks irc)
14:42<xrm>so it'll take a minute
14:42<stew>xrm: "/msg dpkg sources.list" will show you what we'd recommend it look like
14:42<xrm>oohs okies
14:43<debianNooB21>Stuckey: you can run amd64 only if your host machine is running amd64 kernel. If your is only at 32-bit, then you can only run 32-bit VMs
14:44<Stuckey>debianNooB21, okay so I can run AMD64 CD on this machine with a dual core chip?
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14:45<debianNooB21>Stuckey: you siad you had a 8400?
14:45-!-aniaa [~usuario@169.pool85-61-42.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian
14:45<Stuckey>debianNooB21, Yes, that's correct.
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14:45<VTommy>anyone know why clamd takes 100% cpu process
14:45<aniaa>es español
14:46<Stuckey>!es
14:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:46<dr|z3d>!es
14:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:46<alex123456>hola a todos
14:46*xrm goes to tinker whith his machien
14:46<xrm>thanks for the help
14:46<aniaa>necesito ayuda
14:46<dr|z3d>VTommy: Sure. When it's scanning, it'll use all available cpu.
14:46<stew>aniaa: english only in here, please. if you want to speak spanish, /join #debian-es
14:46<alex123456>donde puedo chatear con gente de new york?
14:47<VTommy>dr|z3d well that would be 400% i have 4 cpu
14:47<stew>alex123456: english only in here please
14:47<dr|z3d>alex123456: No aqui.
14:47<debianNooB21>Stuckey: http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupId=33910 yes you can
14:47<alex123456>i'm sorry
14:47<Stuckey>Thanks debianNooB21
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14:48<dr|z3d>VTommy: No, 100% usually means 100% of your cpu totals, therefore it would suggest that clamd is multithreaded.
14:48<xrm>just a quick double check, to install kde desktop i install kdm from aptitide right?
14:48<dr|z3d>kdm will just install the K login manager.
14:48<debianNooB21>Stuckey: that chip also have some great virtual instutions set. So running VM will be nice
14:49<Stuckey>debianNooB21, what does it do?
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14:49<xrm>hmms,
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14:49*xrm goes to install both kde and kdm
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14:50<debianNooB21>Stuckey: google Intel VT
14:50<hahnp>kde, kdm, xserver-xorg, xfonts-base
14:51<chealer>xrm: judt kdm won't install KDE. see #debian-kde
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14:51<xrm>thanks chealer
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14:53<zack>rg
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14:55<matplay>#polska
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15:01<debianNooB21>sorry if with is a real noob question, but I always wondered why we need so many desktop managers? are the desktop managers and the desktop env.s work together that closly?
15:03<Lenhix>I think it's a matter of being able to choose what you like most
15:04<debianNooB21>so can you use gdm to run KDE?
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15:04<enouf>ofcourse
15:04<Lenhix>I guess so...
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15:04<enouf>dpkg-reconfigure ?dm if you have multiples installed
15:04<Lenhix>Isn't that what the "session" button was meant for?
15:04<Lenhix>hehe
15:05<adama>I have some data that I need, it is only located in a Iceweasel window that is open on my laptop at home. I can't seem to get gnome-screenshot to work over ssh, even with -X ... it tries to take a screenshot of this desktop here... :s
15:05<enouf>to set one as default - IINM, the /etc/X11/default-display-manager resembles the default entry chosen in update-alternatives --config x-session-manager ?
15:06<VTommy>is there a way to know what clamd is scanning?
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15:07<Lenhix>logs?
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15:08<debianNooB21>So the question remians why some many dm's? Is one that much better or different then the others?
15:09<cahoot>then there would be only one - no?
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15:09<ratbag>hi
15:09<ratbag>anyone know what package i need to install unrar?
15:09<debianNooB21>or two, and maybe a thrid. But why 16?
15:10<enouf>debianNooB21: there are tons more WMs than DMs .. what's the beef?
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15:10<cahoot>a consequence of freedom?
15:10<enouf>debianNooB21: in a word; choice
15:10*enouf takes those consequences anyday
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15:11<cahoot>debianNooB21: you have the opportunity to restrict yourself
15:12<debianNooB21>sandwich? sound good. WMs I understand, differnet look and feel. Like wine!
15:12<ratbag>is there a plugin for fileroller that lets u open rar files in debian?
15:12<adama>ratbag: unrar:1:3.8.5-1 http://ftp.ca.debian.org unstable/non-free
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15:13<debianNooB21>cahoot and enouf I hear that. I was looking for maybe why one over the others. Thats it.
15:13<ratbag>adama: thanks
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15:13<ratbag>can anyone tell me how to add that repository real quick
15:13<ratbag>im new to ubuntu
15:14<ratbag>deb i mean
15:14<ratbag>never had to do this on ubuntu
15:14<adama>ratbag: just apt-get install unrar
15:14<stew>ratbag: /msg dpkg non-free
15:14<ratbag>it cant find that package
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15:15<debianNooB21>ratbag: don't say ubuntu on the channel. hahaha
15:15<stew>ratbag: you have to add non-free to sources.list
15:15<k1lumin4t1_>any good linux application for daily scheduling of tasks and things-to-do?
15:15<adama>if it doesn't work, you may need to add "non-free" to the end of a line in sources.list
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15:16<ratbag>i thought i already added it cuz someone told me how to add some repositories so i could get the flash plugin
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15:16<stew>flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib, not non-free
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15:18<Lenhix>Uhm.. I don't think so.. i have contrib but apt-cache search flashplugin-nonfree shows nothing
15:18<Lenhix>Unless it's on Lenny's contrib
15:19<stew>Lenhix: it was removed from lenny
15:19<stew>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
15:19<judd>stew: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.4
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15:19<ratbag>if i just add this line will it do it? deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org unstable/non-free
15:19<Lenhix>I installed flash on Iceweasel 2 with the Flasj 9 .tar.gz ratbag
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15:21<adama>ratbag: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
15:22<adama>ratbag: you should be able to use your existing source line though, I just use CA cause I'm in Canada
15:22<ratbag>ok got the new package in there
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15:23<pavmav>hey all
15:23<ratbag>takin some time updating
15:23<themill>ratbag: hang on... what's it doing?
15:24<ratbag>i did apt-get update
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15:24<pavmav>all they installing some things (pfff)
15:24<ratbag>heres a weird message
15:24<ratbag>ratbagdeb:/home/ratbag# apt-get install unrar
15:24<ratbag>Segmentation faultsts... 86%
15:24<ratbag>never seen that one beore
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15:24<pavmav>try to configure
15:24<pavmav>and than do it again ?
15:24<pavmav>it helps most of the times
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15:25<dr|z3d>ratbag: try rm -fv /var/cache/apt/*.bin
15:26<ratbag>ok
15:26<dr|z3d>ratbag: Then do an apt-get/aptitude update
15:26<dr|z3d>Let us know if that fixes it for you.
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15:27<pavmav>have a question
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15:27<Lenhix>ask it
15:28<pavmav>i try to install splash screen and according to the readme file i have to resize the boot screen to 1024x768 by configuring the grub file ... so i do that and when i try it out with sudo ussplash -c it does not show
15:28<pavmav>it starts like a terminal ...
15:29<pavmav>and i have to make it again the default ubuntu splash screen
15:29<ratbag>same thing happened
15:29<ratbag>Hit http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile/main Sources
15:29<ratbag>Fetched 193B in 22s (9B/s)
15:29<ratbag>Segmentation faultsts... 87%
15:29<ratbag>ratbagdeb:/home/ratbag#
15:29-!-ratbag was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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15:29<pavmav>ok so no links in the irc ... first rule
15:30<pavmav>or was it for the spam ?
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15:30<jrabbit>lol
15:30<dr|z3d>More than 3 lines pasted = instant kick.
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15:30<jrabbit>pavmav: ubuntu????
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15:31<pavmav>yup
15:31<pavmav>interesting is that on the 8.04 Hardy Heron i did not have this problem .. but i had to stop using Ubuntu for some time ... and today i put it on my new PC
15:31<streuner>pavmav: why do you ask here then?
15:32<pavmav>oops
15:32<pavmav>idk .... my bad .... too much info today my head goes :@
15:32<stew>pavmav: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for help with ubuntu
15:32<jrabbit>oh haha i didn't realize this is on oftc
15:32<jrabbit>thats why its less trolled :)
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15:47<themill>!qotd0
15:47<dpkg><js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted?
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15:50<tghy>hello there
15:51<tghy>I have a bit trouble with Debian Lenny. He wont turn off automatically and print me next message: acpi_off called
15:51<tghy>Turning off acpi doesnt help
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15:54<Lenhix>Actually, I'd say you need to turn acpi on.. and if it's calling acpi_off it should go off
15:55<Lenhix>That's always the last line I see when shutting down
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16:12<tghy>Lenhix: Does he not ON?
16:12<Lenhix>?¿
16:13<tghy>Lenhix: /usr/sbin/acpid i have this process in ps aux output
16:16<Lenhix>Look at the config files and check if everything is ok with the event "acpi_off" (I guess that'd be the event that'd make acpid turn off the computer)
16:16<Lenhix>I gotta go now, sorry that I can't help you anymore
16:17<tghy>ok
16:17<tghy>Bye
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16:24<drasko>any idea how to disable touchpad click? It boders me while typing
16:25<dondelelcaro>drasko: depends on your touchpad
16:25<dondelelcaro>drasko: if you've got a synaptic touchpad, syndaemon should do what you want
16:26<drasko>dondelelcaro, how can I know? It's just a touch pad on dell laptop
16:26<dondelelcaro>drasko: lspci or similar will tell you
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16:27<drasko>lspci does not mention touchpad
16:27<dondelelcaro>lsusb perhaps, then; alternatively look at the X server log
16:27<drasko>neither mouse or keyboard
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16:29<drasko>dondelelcaro, ok, it's a synaptic
16:29<drasko>i tried with gsynaptic
16:29<drasko>http://gsynaptics.sourceforge.jp/
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16:30<drasko>but I says You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config
16:30<dondelelcaro>drasko: so you can use syndaemon if you just don't want to click while you're typing, or you can set TouchpadOff 2; if you just want to disable tapping and scrolling entirely (do that using synclient or similar)
16:30<dondelelcaro>drasko: yes, that's true
16:30<drasko>And I ma completely lost
16:31<drasko>there is nothing silar in my xorg.conf
16:31<drasko>not iven mention of touchpad or synaptics
16:31<drasko>*even
16:32<drasko>any ideas how to enable SHMConfig?
16:32<dondelelcaro>it's not there by default, because it's insecure in a multiuser environment
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16:32<drasko>Just to put SHMConfig "true" in xorg.conf?
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16:33<ayam_jago>=(
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16:33<drasko>:) I thought so
16:33<ayam_jago>* Identd request from 202.159.33.34
16:33<ayam_jago>* Identd replied: 1853, 6667 : USERID : UNIX : admin
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16:49<c36pop>hi could anybody explain me how does udev and hal works for mounting usb keys
16:49<c36pop>is it udev or hal that makes it
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16:49<paul0>hi, someone here is using the java plugin in the amd64 architecture?
16:50<faheem>can someone tell me (or point to docs) wrt how HOSTNAME env variable is set in Debian?
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16:51<themill>!java amd64
16:51<dpkg>To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> Alternatively, in lenny or later, try the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin package.
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16:51<themill>faheem: take a look in /etc/rcS.d/S02hostname.sh and /msg dpkg hostname
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16:52<faheem>themill: oh, it sets this on bootup? Ok.
16:53<faheem>thanks
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16:54<debianNooB21>? since I have never done this (going to try) if one box has x programs (Xclients?) and box 2 has the Xserver connected to Key/mou/monitor the user at box 2 can run the programs from box one. And let say he runs a text editor, can he edit file from his box (2) or can he edit files from box one?
16:54<faheem>funny, it doesn't seem to be doing what is documented there. it is ignoring the value of /etc/hostname.
16:54<faheem>This machine has an ip address but no corresponding name. It is taking the number before the first dot, and using that, hence 152.
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16:55<hahnp>debianNooB21: box(1)
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16:59<debianNooB21>hahnp: ok thats what I thought. So you can not use programs from a remote box to edit or control files on your local box. did I get this stright?
16:59<hahnp>yes
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17:02<drasko>hi all
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17:03<drasko>SHMConfig does not work for me
17:03<drasko>any ideas?
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17:03<hahnp>any errors
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17:04<drasko>still stays unenebled
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17:04<themill>You'll have to pastebin your xorg.conf for us
17:05<hahnp>he could ... i would not force him to do so ^^
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17:06<drasko>http://pastebin.com/m96e8c1d
17:07<drasko>I tried putting Option "SHMConfig" "on" to "true" also
17:07<drasko>same story
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17:07<drasko>gsynaptic complains: You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config
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17:08<hahnp>drasko: Xorg.0.log shows?
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17:09<drasko>do I need Section "ServerLayout" ?
17:09<drasko>I do not have this in my xorg.conf
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17:09<Pirat3>Hello, how do you change users permissions to files?
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17:10<ike>Pirat3, chmod
17:10<Pirat3>What command?
17:10<hahnp>man chmod
17:10<ike>chmod u+rwx is the easiest way
17:10<Pirat3>Could you please give me a command to type into the terminal?
17:10<ike>that makes it readable, writable and executable to a user
17:10<ike>remove what you dont need, but learn chmod, its your friend
17:11<hahnp>drasko: can you show your xorg logfile
17:12<drasko>yes
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17:12<drasko>http://pastebin.com/d334c44a6
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17:13<grupo4>i want spanish channel
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17:14<dpalacio>grupo4: /join #debian-es
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17:17<hahnp>drasko: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/15/fixing-my-alps-touchpad-with-the-synaptics-driver/
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17:20<drasko>hahnp, hmm
17:20<drasko>that does not enable SHMConfig...
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17:21<hahnp>sure last option Option "SHMConfig" "true"
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17:21<hahnp>thought maybe this would help
17:21<drasko>oh
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17:21<drasko>I justr saw
17:21<drasko>let me try
17:21<drasko>Should I reset X?
17:21<hahnp>think so
17:22<boss[admin3]>who know rus?
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17:23<dr|z3d>!ru
17:23<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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17:24<boss[admin3]>ok
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17:26<BSmith>Hey can someone answer noob questions
17:26<stew>BSmith: just ask them
17:27<BSmith>sorry new to them...but what do you mean?
17:27<hahnp>just ask your question
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17:27<BSmith>sorry
17:28<BSmith>um. I wanted to install ubuntu server on my pc which is running vista 64. There are two harddrives Raid 0 Can I use one of those for the install and server space?
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17:29<goodger>!ubuntu
17:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:29<hahnp>!raid0
17:29<dpkg>[raid0] the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608
17:30<BSmith>thanks
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17:45<yeforriak>Hi , Anybody know where could I find dictionary files in English?
17:46<hahnp>dict.leo.org
17:46<yeforriak>I mean plain txt files with words
17:46<yeforriak>like a dictionary
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17:46<Maulkin>v/usr/share/dict/words?
17:46<dr|z3d>yeforriak: Google is your friend :)
17:47<yeforriak>yes I have found some, but I need moooreee! :)
17:47<hahnp>http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~ralph/OPTED/
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17:47<yeforriak>thanks, I will have a look
17:47<goodger>yeforriak: you just want a list of words without meanings? why?
17:48<yeforriak>I need them for a dictionary attack. I already have my own files but they are not in English
17:48<goodger>huzzah!
17:48*dr|z3d coughs and mumbles the words "crack" and "password".
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17:48<goodger>do I get to go "!ops" or is someone already here?
17:48<Maulkin>nah, no ops here.
17:49<Pirat3>Or he is trying to crack a password the hard way xD
17:49<dr|z3d>Ops are here when required, otherwise they stay in the background.
17:49<themill>Maybe he's trying to attack someone with a dictionary. They're usually quite heavy and make great weapons.
17:49<Maulkin>yeforriak: I'd suggest asking for advice on illegal activity on a different network.
17:50*dmoerner is sure it's just for "auditing"
17:50<goodger>themill: even a digital dictionary? :)
17:50<Pirat3>I agree with themill's idea.
17:50<Maulkin>yeforriak: Also, for audit, look at 'john'
17:50<yeforriak>yes it is only for my own
17:50<Pirat3>He's going to print them off, 1 word per page. That would make a pretty damn good weapon
17:50<Pirat3>If you yourself could lift it xD
17:51<Maulkin>goodger: For reference, I'm an op and an oper :)
17:51<themill> /usr/share/dict/words is sometimes useful for doing the crossword...
17:51<Maulkin>!show john
17:51<themill>judd info john
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17:51<Maulkin>!info john
17:51<Maulkin>!ping
17:51<dpkg>pong
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17:52<themill>so much fail in one little channel....
17:52<dpkg>john: (active password cracking tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 245 kB, Installed size: 720 kB
17:52<themill>stew: why does judd hate me so?
17:53<Pirat3>Because...
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17:53<stew>judd: info john --release etch-backports
17:53<judd>stew: john (admin): is optional; Version: 1.7.2-3~bpo40+1; Size: 246.1k; Installed: 712k -- active password cracking tool
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17:54<stew>themill: not in etch, which is the default release. i should make it spit out an error...
17:54<themill>ahh... I thought it was set to failover to any release, any arch if it wasn't there with etch/i386.
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17:55<stew>i might go crazy and move judd to projectb instead of udd
17:55<themill>but I had so much fun writing the pdiff parser :)
17:56<stew>yeah, i still need to do something with that
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17:56<themill>stew: well... I think the ball's in my court on that one actually.... some tidying, testing, and integrating to be done.
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18:00<dmoerner>stew: themill: do you guys work on maintaining judd?
18:01<dmoerner>i was noticing that it doesn't support versions queries on source package names, but only binaries
18:01<dmoerner>but i wasn't sure where the code was to hack on it
18:01<stew>dmoerner: i wrote it. hang on, i can make the source availalbe
18:02<dmoerner>stew: it's quite a cool bot. no rush on the code but i was curious where the source was.
18:02<themill>dmoerner: I can claim no responsibility for judd other than I nag stew about rough edges from time to time. I think I made some local monkeying with the source at one stage but they never went anywhere. yet.
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18:04<stew>dmoerner: http://git.vireo.org/judd.git/
18:04<dmoerner>stew: thanks
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18:31<haxi>mh, are they weekly/daily/monthly testing builds netinstall with xfce (or lxde) .iso debian ? :P
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18:31<hahnp>http://www.moonclimbing.com/cypher-pant-p-1120.html?p=product
18:32<hahnp>ok... nobody saw that ^^
18:32<goc>hi there. I need to update my libgd because debian uses 1.8.4 although 2.0 is in use for more than 1 year =)
18:32<goc>how can I do it?
18:33<azeem>what do you need libgd 2.0 for?
18:33<goc>gdImageCreateTrueColor
18:33<goc>it's introduced with 2.0
18:33<azeem>what do you need gdImageCreateTrueColor for?
18:34<themill>judd: versions libgd2-noxpm
18:34<judd>themill: libgd2-noxpm -- etch: 2.0.33-5.2etch1 etch-security: 2.0.33-5.2etch1 lenny: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-3 sid: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-3
18:34<goc>http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/gd/playground/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_out.c?view=log
18:34<themill>Looks a lot like libgd2 to me
18:34<goc>azeem: http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/gd/playground/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_out.c?view=log
18:36<goc>thx man
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18:49<twb>In d-i, can I preseed it so that instead of rebooting, it halts the machine (when install finishes)?
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18:53<gsimmons>twb: Yes. See section B.4.13 in the Installation Guide.
18:53<twb>Thanks.
18:56<twb>d-i debian-installer/exit/halt boolean true
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19:06<k1lumin4t1>any _GUI_ app which records video/sound from a webcam on linux?
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19:08<adama>k1lumin4t1: cheese
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19:09<k1lumin4t1>adama, I've tried cheese but it doesn't seem to get sound
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19:17<kjs>has one installed RT from apt here?
19:17<kjs>I am looking for a guide
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19:26<tijoev>aloha, can any help with alsa sound?
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19:26<abrotman>!ask
19:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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19:27<tijoev>Brans new install, alsamixer has all unmuted and sound volumes all the way up but when I test with aplay -vv file i get nothing from the computer or the digital out to my HTPC
19:29<abrotman>!alsa checklist
19:29<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
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19:29<tijoev> aplay -l
19:29<tijoev>**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
19:29<tijoev>card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5]
19:29<tijoev> Subdevices: 1/1
19:29<tijoev> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
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19:33<bob_>hay guys, just bot me a netbook
19:33<bob_>want to put debian on it,
19:33<bob_>but i have no optical drive.
19:33<bob_>which image should i put on a usb for etch to install that way?
19:34<stew>bob_: /msg dpkg usb-install
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19:36<tijoev>ran alsaaconf unmuted and raised volume still nothing for either me as a user or root
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19:38<tijoev> modprobe snd-pcm-oss returns nothing
19:39<awe>00:36 <TheBeatles> britinho
19:39<awe>00:36 <TheBeatles> 2ª feira á noite
19:39<awe>00:36 <TheBeatles> pode ser q ja tenhas notícias
19:39<awe>00:36 <TheBeatles> tu e o guilhermino
19:39<awe>00:36 <TheBeatles> ih ih ih
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19:39<tijoev>not sure how to check these: 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded
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19:57<leikh>How can I check if a package that I want to install in $home on shared host (where I'm not root) meets all dependencies?
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19:58<themill>leikh: the answers don't change just because you keep asking them...
19:59<tijoev>apt-get install packagename will give you package and necessary depenency
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19:59<leikh>tijoev: i'm not root and not in sudoers
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20:01<tijoev>ouch, missed that part
20:02<leikh>themill: that's why it sometimes helps to rephrase a question...
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20:03<themill>leikh: as people said earlier, you can't sensibly install packages in $HOME and dependencies will certainly not be met as packages won't know where to find each other.
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20:04<tijoev>speaker-test -c2 -D hw:0,0 -t wav -l1 produces no sound
20:04<enouf>tijoev: lsof | egrep 'arts|esd'
20:05<enouf>actually, do lsof /dev/snd/* as well
20:06<tijoev>debian:/home/joev/Downloads# lsof /dev/snd/*
20:06<tijoev>COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
20:06<tijoev>mixer_app 17440 joev 38u CHR 116,0 18559 /dev/snd/controlC0
20:06<enouf>never heard of it
20:07<leikh>themill: I guess I better put an effort into convincing the host to install the package then...
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20:07<themill>leikh: yes. you'll get much further
20:07<tijoev>what am I looking for with lsof | egrep 'arts|esd'
20:07<enouf>tijoev: lsmod | egrep 'oss|pcm'
20:07<enouf>tijoev: <tijoev> not sure how to check these: 4) arts or esound stopped?
20:07<leikh>themill: but what could be the hosts argument not to install libdbd-pg-perl?
20:08<enouf>esound is esd, iinm
20:08<enouf>libesd even
20:08<tijoev>they appear to be running
20:08<tijoev>installed
20:08<themill>leikh: they're lazy is the most likely argument.
20:09<bob_>anyone have experience in getting an install image on a usb stick for etch? having trouble getting it done right myself
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20:10<abrotman>!usb install
20:10<dpkg>well, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian)
20:10<tijoev>arts?esd do not show any snd devices
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20:11<oipunx>hello
20:12<oipunx>just wondering is there anyway to use xvidcap so that it will record only one workspace?
20:12<oipunx>or is there any program that can do that?
20:13<leikh>themill: and what would their argument be if they tried to bullshit me? I sent them a request and told them that it's fairly simple for them to install this package. They replied that it's not that simple, and encouraged me to install in my local area :-/
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20:13<bob_>abotman: i looked into that and it seems to actually install debian on the usb, that will not work for me, i simply need an install image so i can install it on my netbook
20:13<themill>leikh: you could tell them to come here and we'll help them with it...
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20:16<leikh>themill: he-he :) So my argument is: It will be hell for me to figure out dependencies, since I don't have access to the package-manager, and if I did, and ending up with several locally installed packages, would most likely make it impossible for the packages to find each other?
20:16<themill>leikh: you won't be able to do it using debian and dependencies at all. I imagine, you'll have to compile postgres yourself to get that library.
20:17<themill>leikh: if it were just a perl module, then it would be easy enough to install it in your $HOME, but pg libraries as well is going to be a bit sucky.
20:18<leikh>themill: ok, I'll send them an email right away.
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20:22<tijoev> when i set the IEC958 to Analog I in alsamixer I get very low sound with poor quality
20:22<tijoev>any ideas?
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20:24<leikh>themill: one more question; why would I have to compile postres to get libdbd-pg-perl? It's a stand-alone debian-package. Or am I missing something?
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20:25<themill>judd: depends libdbd-pg-perl
20:25<judd>themill: libdbd-pg-perl -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libpq4 (>= 8.1.4), libdbi-perl (>= 1.38), perl (>= 5.8.8-6.1), perlapi-5.8.8
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20:27<themill>leikh: it depends on the postgresql library libpq. The rest of it is just perl stuff that you could do yourself easily, but that one I suspect would be harder. You could possibly tell perl where to find a locally unpacked libpq, but I don't like your chances.
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20:27<leikh>themill: I see...
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20:29<leikh>themill: and is should probably be libpq-dev, right?
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20:29<themill>to build it, yes
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20:37<tijoev>so, do I dare build mythtv and see if the audio pass through sucks as much as Linus's Linux wav file?
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20:44<amischi_>i have a problem with update
20:44<amischi_>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
20:44<amischi_>E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
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20:44<dmoerner>amischi_: did you run dpkg --configure -a?
20:44<amischi_>on terminal?
20:45<dmoerner>yes
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20:45<amischi_>command not found
20:45<amischi_>i'm using xubuntu
20:46<dmoerner>amischi_: (a) this is #debian, go to #ubuntu in freenode for help, and (b) you must run it as root
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20:47<ET_Fig>so what's the method for guidance around here?
20:48<enouf>same as for the general population
20:48<dmoerner>the blind leading the blind
20:48<enouf>or ... the CCCP slaughtering the sheeple
20:49<enouf>with reaganomics on steroids
20:50<ET_Fig>I'm having a problem installing etch on my studio 17. It seems to have an issue with recognising the cdrom (which I'm booting the disk from btw).
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20:51<enouf>whatever happened to studio54?
20:51<abrotman>ET_Fig: you probably want lenny
20:51<ET_Fig>when I attempt to load the installer components, it tries the floppy drive (which doesn't exist) instead.
20:51<abrotman>enouf: studio64 you mean ?
20:52<enouf>no
20:52<abrotman>the movie/club in NYC ?
20:52<enouf>the club
20:52<ET_Fig>I'm on a naval base, getting a hold of another distro will take weeks.
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20:52<abrotman>ET_Fig: you can't just download it .. again ?
20:53<ET_Fig>I didn't, got dvds sent to me.
20:53<enouf>ET_Fig: does the installation CD boot to a boot prompt? which debian ISO did you d/l and burn?
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20:55<ET_Fig>I was sent etch i836
20:56<abrotman>generic.all_generic_ide=1 .. maybe ?
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20:56<enouf>or install libata.atapi_enabled=1
20:56<abrotman>that's the other one i couldn't remember
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20:57<enouf>or, you need a newer kernel, and i'm not googling studio17 (whatever that is)
20:57<abrotman>it's a dell laptop
20:57<enouf>new-ish?
20:57<ET_Fig>relatively
20:57<enouf>i mean for .18?
20:57<ET_Fig>I'll run both those lines
20:57<abrotman>too new-ish
20:58<abrotman>most likely .. i think the line is about 9 months old
20:58<enouf>oh well
20:58<enouf>oh deat
20:58<enouf>dear even
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20:59<ET_Fig>Said neither kernels were found
20:59<ET_Fig>Sec
21:02<abrotman>ET_Fig: i mean .. you have internet .. why can't you burn a new CD ?
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21:02<ET_Fig>It still can't detect the cdrom :/
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21:02<cyberninja>hallo is there any Lenny RC1 isos on mirror.aarnet.edu.au or australian mirror
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21:02<ET_Fig>I'm on my phone right now, its my only source of net so far.
21:03<abrotman>oh
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21:03<abrotman>cyberninja: moment
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21:05<ET_Fig>yeah, that's my major dillema.
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21:05<ET_Fig>Its given me a list of devices to choose from manually. Is there a simple way to figure out which one to select?
21:05<abrotman>cyberninja: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors
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21:17<decius>where is the Xubuntu channel? sorry noob =[
21:17<gsimmons>!xubuntu
21:17<dpkg>[xubuntu] a derivative of Ubuntu with the Xfce desktop environment. /join #xubuntu @ irc.freenode.net for support. See also <based on debian>.
21:17<decius>thanks i didnt know how to use the bot ^.^
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21:20<ET_Fig>Damn this is stupid, I can't support for thi anywhere!
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21:44<ET_Fig>I think I might've asked the question here already, but..
21:45<ET_Fig>I've just received etch and I'm having problems detecting the cdrom while attempting to boot from cd on my dell studio 17
21:46<ET_Fig>any one know of a similar situation?
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21:49<ET_Fig>No one?
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21:51<abrotman>ET_Fig: maybe try #debian on freenode
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22:27<Txt-file>how can I say my debian sid which networkinterface it should use to connect to internet?
22:28<abrotman>!interfaces
22:28<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>.
22:31<Txt-file>abrotman: network is working fine but my internetconnection is via wlan1 and if I enable eth0 it trys to reach the internet via eth0
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22:37<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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22:38<D20>irc://irc.rez-metz.supelec.fr/crepes
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22:42<oipunx>is there anyway to use xvidcap so that it will record only one workspace?
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23:07<Deatrix>oi
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23:12<dmoerner>ugh mirrors2.kernel.org in the ftp.us.debian.org roundrobin is painfully slow right now for me
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23:26<twb>dmoerner: surely you can just use a local mirror?
23:27<dmoerner>twb: it's in the middle of a cowbuilder --create, which has picked mirrors2.kernel.org from the round robin and is now moving on at snail's pace, and i don't really want to restart it. i make sure to only bring the most exotic cases here
23:30<twb>dmoerner: were you the one trying to set up encrypted LVM across two PVs earlier?
23:30<dmoerner>twb: yeah, i got it working perfectly using just d-i
23:30<dmoerner>thanks for the tip about manual partitioning that just slipped my mind for some reason
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23:32<twb>dmoerner: OK, I was about to say that it looks fairly straightforward
23:32<twb>I happened to try it just now to see what happened
23:32<twb>Hmm, did you need to put a different passphrase for each PV?
23:33<twb>Or did you do LVM first, crypt second?
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23:34<newsense>if you do crypt first than lvm you can have 1 password
23:34<twb>newsense: it asked me twice, and I put the same one in for both volumes
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23:35<dmoerner>i did lvm first, then crypt
23:35<newsense>i would like to try a few other scenarios for testing
23:35<dmoerner>and it asks me for one password
23:36<twb>dmoerner: ok, that makes more sense
23:36<twb>I hate having /boot outside LVM
23:36<twb>It feels dirty, like that cousin that you keep locked in the basement
23:36<dmoerner>i kept /boot outside anyway
23:37<henkmetselaar>hald-addon-storage is tripping up my cd-writer. I solved it on etch but forgot how, now the problem is back in lenny
23:38<henkmetselaar>hal daemon polling too often when trying to burn, it seems
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23:43<wallenpb>exit
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23:43<Guest390>hi my name is guest 390
23:44<twb>!tell Guest390 -about knoppix
23:44<twb>(Pre-emptive strike)
23:45<henkmetselaar>is it related to hdparm? My cd drive stops spinning only after hdparm -w /dev/hdd
23:46<Guest390>thats great, but i already new that
23:46<Guest390>than you tho
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23:50<twb>Guest390: sorry; most people here with a "Guest" nick are running Knoppix with the default settings.
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