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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-01-31

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00:00<burnclouds>I'm in the states an I was thinking about getting a USB thing for internet over GSM but i didn't know if it would work with linux
00:00<burnclouds>or if the service just sucked.
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00:01<engywuck_>GSM? that's like ancient modem
00:01<burnclouds>GSM is what verizon uses.
00:01<engywuck_>and my stick wasn't runnable from linux, dunno why
00:01<burnclouds>USB?
00:01<engywuck_>module compiled but couldn't connect
00:01<engywuck_>yes
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00:01<burnclouds>hummm... I just I'll just use bluetooth and my cell phone then....
00:01<engywuck_>*had* to use windows for 9 months
00:02<burnclouds>yuck
00:02<engywuck_>well, then it may work
00:02<engywuck_>oh well, I *was* getting my MCSE in that time, so.... :D
00:02<burnclouds>sorry about your luck. I *have* to use windows for work... I run cygwin and do a lot of ssh to a linux box :-D
00:03<burnclouds>well unix i guess
00:03<burnclouds>HP-UX, Solaris, Tru64, AIX, RHEL (ok linux)
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00:05<engywuck_>there are still HP-UX boxes around?
00:05<engywuck_>we had that 10 years ago on our workstation in theoretical physics
00:05<burnclouds>HP-UX 11i v3.2
00:06<burnclouds>it's only like 2yrs old or so
00:06<burnclouds>It's newer than windows XP
00:06<aaldama>how can i activate effects in xubuntu
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00:06<burnclouds>like compiz?
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00:07<aaldama>yes
00:07<burnclouds>I'm not familiar with xfce. sorry
00:08<burnclouds>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=232883
00:08<aaldama>ok thanks
00:08<burnclouds>that might help
00:09<engywuck_>xubuntu?
00:09<engywuck_>!dpkg ubuntu
00:09<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:11<burnclouds>ubuntu may be "off topic" but as it's based on debian and I happen to use both and the channel isn't busy... I see no point in shunning our brothren.
00:11<burnclouds>Shun the non-believer... shunnnn na
00:11<aaldama>im not very familiar with linux i need to read some information for learn more about this product
00:11<engywuck_>burn them on the stake!
00:11<engywuck_>;-)
00:11<burnclouds>:-P
00:11<engywuck_>na, just wanted to point in the correct direction for next time
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00:12<engywuck_>!dpkg linux
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00:12<dpkg>well, linux is closed
00:12<engywuck_>hihi
00:12<engywuck_>yehaw, package 360 loads ^^
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00:12<engywuck_>i take odds what number 500 will be :)
00:14<burnclouds>I'm guessing wget-porn... ? guess not...
00:15<aaldama>hey does anyone know if i could install a linksys wifi usb thing with m$ drivers in ubuntu
00:15<burnclouds>yes
00:15<aaldama>wonderful
00:15<burnclouds>the driver wrapper "ndiswrapper"
00:15<aaldama>ah
00:15<burnclouds>!dpkg ndiswrapper
00:15<dpkg>methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net.
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00:16<engywuck_>is there some giant signpost somewhere saying "hey, you use ubuntu, so go to #debian? ;-)
00:16<burnclouds>:_)
00:16<aaldama>nope
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00:16<aaldama>:D
00:16<burnclouds>then...?
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00:16<engywuck_>500 was libedit2
00:17<aaldama>sorry
00:17<engywuck_>no worries, if we don't have anything better to do
00:17<engywuck_>we'll even help ubuntu users :)
00:17<aaldama>yay
00:17<burnclouds>I should have guessed a lib package.
00:18<burnclouds>thats probably 450 of the 500 packages...
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00:18<burnclouds>the other 50 are xserver-xorg-video-...
00:18<engywuck_>555 was kstars
00:18<engywuck_>didn't even know I still had that installed :)
00:18<burnclouds>!dpgk kstars
00:18<cesurasean>Ok, when I place a symbolic link to bugzilla, I just get this redirect page http://www.seanbrady.us/clients
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00:18<cesurasean>anyone have a clue why it's redirecting to a different page?
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00:19<burnclouds>nope
00:19<engywuck_>nope
00:19<engywuck_>strange config file?
00:19<burnclouds>!dpkg kstars
00:19<engywuck_>kstars (1) - a desktop planetarium for KDE
00:19<burnclouds>ah
00:20<burnclouds>why didn;t dpkg know that. (excluding my typo)
00:20<engywuck_>could have been uninstalled before upgrading :)
00:20<engywuck_>666 was libntfs-3g31 :D
00:21<burnclouds>:-D
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00:21<dmoerner>burnclouds: (a) you need to call info, (b) you say dpkg: or !, not both
00:21<dmoerner>dpkg: info kstars
00:21<dpkg>kstars: (desktop planetarium for KDE), section science, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3734 kB, Installed size: 6612 kB
00:21<burnclouds>gr8
00:21<burnclouds>thanks
00:22<engywuck_>dpkg: kstars
00:22<dpkg>engywuck_: I don't know, could you explain it?
00:22<engywuck_>dpkg: info kstars lenny
00:22<burnclouds>dpkg: dpkg
00:22<dpkg>dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
00:22<dpkg>kstars: (desktop planetarium for KDE), section science, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 3734 kB, Installed size: 6612 kB
00:22<burnclouds>:-D
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00:23<engywuck_>dpkg: info kstars hamm
00:23<engywuck_>let's try ancient packages ^^
00:23<engywuck_>eh, releases
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00:24<engywuck_>dpkg: info fdisk potato
00:24<burnclouds>I have an NTFS drive that when I try to mount it it is always read only unless I "sudo mount -o force /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdc"
00:24<engywuck_>that's normal
00:24<burnclouds>any ideas how to make it "user" mount frendly
00:24<engywuck_>standard ntfs driver in kernel has ro
00:24<burnclouds>I have ntfs3-g
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00:24<engywuck_>because writing is still considered "you know what you do" by Linus ^^
00:25<engywuck_>ntfs-3g shold work
00:25<engywuck_>well, in lenny anyway
00:25<burnclouds>can I disable the kernel driver and only use ntfs3-g?
00:25<burnclouds>I should know how to do that but I don;t
00:25<engywuck_>ntfs-3g is fuse, methinks?
00:25<burnclouds>Yeah... I thank thats right
00:26<engywuck_>i *think* you could try specifying "ntfs-3g" in fstab
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00:26<engywuck_>http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html#usage
00:26<burnclouds>I think i did. But as I'm not on that box and I'm not near that box... I guess I'll just have to check later.
00:26<engywuck_>yep
00:26<engywuck_>You can also make NTFS to be mounted during boot by adding the following line to the end of the /etc/fstab file: /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
00:27<Supaplex>!stab ntfs.autofragmentation=1
00:27*dpkg runs at ntfs.autofragmentation=1 with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
00:28<burnclouds>I think " /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
00:29<burnclouds>is very similar to what i have.
00:29<burnclouds>I know I specified ntfs-3g
00:29<burnclouds>and the drive is sdc1
00:30<burnclouds>I think I have user,defaults 0 0
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00:31<burnclouds>I'm rather new to IRC ... are there any other bots I should be aware of?
00:31<engywuck_>perhaps specifying rw explicitely?
00:32<burnclouds>I've tried that.
00:32<engywuck_>!dpkg bots
00:32<dpkg>All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg, apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper, judd. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway.
00:32<burnclouds>!badgers
00:32<dpkg>Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family
00:32<burnclouds>!piggy
00:32<dpkg>Piggy logs all you do... Look at debstats.dontexist.org
00:33<engywuck_>!badgers burnclouds
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00:34<cesurasean>does anyone know why I can't login to phpmyadmin under debian etch? I just upgraded, and it seems the config file must have changed or something.
00:34<engywuck_>look at the errors?
00:34<engywuck_>perhaps you can set a higher loglevel somewhere?
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00:35<engywuck_>since I don't have phpmyadmin installed right now I don't know
00:36<burnclouds>take a look at /var/log/mysql*
00:36<burnclouds>/var/log/mysql.err?
00:36<cesurasean>I've already added something to phpmyadmin's config file, and logged in successfully
00:37<cesurasean>but it bypassed the login screen
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00:37<cesurasean>I need to have a login screen
00:37<burnclouds>Did you try getting the config file fresh from the deb package?
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00:40<cesurasean>how do I get the file out of a deb file?
00:40<engywuck_>easiest way: with midnight commander
00:40<burnclouds>use a package manager. unzip? or the GUI ark
00:40<dmoerner>cesurasean: just use ar -x to extract the deb and then sift through it
00:40<burnclouds>that's the best way
00:40<cesurasean>I'm running Windows. :)
00:40<burnclouds>7zip
00:41<dmoerner>cesurasean: is it maintained in a vcs?
00:41<dmoerner>that would be the easiest way to grab a ile
00:41<dmoerner>*file
00:41<cesurasean>http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/phpmyadmin/download
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00:41<cesurasean>can someone pastebin the config file?
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00:42<cesurasean>wait
00:42<cesurasean>7zip is working
00:42<dmoerner>cesurasean:
00:42<cesurasean>nevermind, 7zip didn't work
00:42<dmoerner>https://aphrodite.kinkhorst.nl/wsvn/debian/phpmyadmin/
00:42<burnclouds>7 for all your windows archieve and zipping needs
00:42<burnclouds>nvm
00:42<burnclouds>heh.
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00:43<cesurasean>I don't see that file in the trunk. :(
00:44<engywuck_>me too
00:44<cesurasean>nevermind
00:44<cesurasean>found it
00:44<engywuck_>seems like it's added during installation
00:44<burnclouds>well.. I've been up for what feels like 26hrs now. Good night, day... I don't know any more. Good times!
00:44<cesurasean>that's a completely different file than what was upgraded to two of my machines
00:45<cesurasean>there seems to be a bug with phpmyadmin
00:45<burnclouds>file a bug report
00:45<burnclouds>night all
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00:47<cesurasean>ok, I fixed it
00:47<cesurasean>that's a bug with the debian upgrade
00:47<cesurasean>can someone file that bug?
00:47<cesurasean>for phpmyadmin
00:48<dmoerner>cesurasean: file it yourself
00:48<dmoerner>you have the data and the logs
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00:49<cesurasean>how do you file a bug?
00:50<dmoerner>!+tell cesurasean -about reportbug
00:50<dpkg>told cesurasean about reportbug.
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01:05<Student>how can i download and install
01:05<Student>how can i download and install "omni"
01:05<Student>?
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01:07<engywuck_>and omni is *what* exactly?
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01:07<engywuck_>dpkg: info omni
01:08<engywuck_><dpkg> Package 'omni' does not exist.
01:09<Student>engywuck_ well i was trying to download a driver for my printer, and it says i need to install OMNI
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01:10<engywuck_>http://freshmeat.net/projects/omni/
01:10<engywuck_>this one?
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01:11<engywuck_>never heard of t althoug it's 8 years old....
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01:11<Student>http://omniprint.sourceforge.net
01:12<andra>hyy
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01:14<Student>now i don't know how to intall my printer under debian
01:15<engywuck_>well, in the downloadable tarball there *should be some README or INSTALL file telling you how to
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01:15<engywuck_>I don't believe there's an "official" debian package or way if not from the Omni page itself
01:16<Student>ummmm
01:16<MotoHoss>Student: What specific printer?
01:17<Student>MotoHoss Epson LQ-2180
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01:20<MotoHoss>so far google has returned a couple pages that it does work under cups ...
01:21<Student>ummm
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01:22<engywuck_>http://cups.org/ppd.php?L385+I0+T+Qlq+2180
01:22<engywuck_>this one?
01:23<MotoHoss>i'd think that's the one...
01:24<Student>engywuck_ yes this is the one
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01:25<engywuck_>he's the one!
01:25<engywuck_>:p
01:25<engywuck_>just use cups driver, then
01:26<engywuck_>rastertoepson seems to be needed
01:26<engywuck_>but that's even installed on my cut-down cups installation
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01:28<engywuck_>the correspnding .ppd is (c) RedHat :)
01:28<Student>engywuck_ Thanx !!! ;)
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01:30<engywuck_>yw
01:30<cesurasean>has anyone ever setup bugzilla before?
01:30<engywuck_>i *assume* the package maintainer has :)
01:31<jpablo>Hi there....I need install several packages for my amd64 lenny, but The source.list is bad...I need a good source.list for download the packages
01:32<jpablo>Can anybody lendme your good source.list?...thanks
01:34<stevecotton>!mirrors
01:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
01:35<engywuck_>standard debian ones, jpablo?
01:35<stevecotton>jpablo: choose a mirror
01:35<aetheria>jpablo: read /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
01:36<jpablo>Ok I am reading ...one moment please thanks :)
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01:38<aetheria>jpablo: after that, you may also want to add debian multimedia source to the list
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01:40<y2t>hi
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01:45<engywuck_>hi y2t
01:45<jpablo>aetheria: Please look this http://paste.debian.net/27283/
01:45<engywuck_>y2t= year 2 tera?
01:45<jpablo>aetheria: what do you think about that?
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01:46<engywuck_>upgrade sone
01:46<engywuck_>now it needs to stand the test of time
01:46<engywuck_>in a reboot :)
01:46<engywuck_>cya
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01:51<jpablo>Are there mirrors for amd64 lenny users programmers?
01:51<engywuck>WOW, all is working
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01:51<dondelelcaro>jpablo: not sure what you're asking for
01:51<dondelelcaro>jpablo: all of the packages in Debian are available on all of the official mirrors
01:51<jpablo>Ok...excuseme my bad english
01:51<dondelelcaro>that includes packages specific to programming
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01:52<jpablo>dondelelcaro: Can you see my source.list please?
01:52<jpablo>http://paste.debian.net/27283/
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01:52<dondelelcaro>jpablo: you don't need to use both ftp.us.debian.org and ftp.br.debian.org; one of them will work just fine.
01:52<jpablo>The synaptic said me that I have errs with mirrors
01:53<dondelelcaro>jpablo: if there are errors with the mirrors, we need to see them
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01:53<engywuck>jpablo: mine http://paste.debian.net/27281
01:53<aaroninfidel>how can I make emerald my default theme manager?
01:54<dondelelcaro>jpablo: that is, put the errors on a paste site
01:54<jpablo>dondelelcaro: I'm from colombian ...my system is in spanish :s
01:54<dondelelcaro>jpablo: LANG=C synaptic; and try to update, then send us the errors
01:54<jpablo>One moment please a I translate the errors
01:54<dondelelcaro>jpablo: that'll put the errors into english
01:55<dondelelcaro>jpablo: also, if you're more comfortable in español, there's a #debian-es which has people who should be able to help you too
01:56<jpablo>dondelelcaro: In this time-zone there aren't users in that channel
01:57<jpablo>But One moment please...
01:57<engywuck>isn't br brazil ans portuguese?
01:57<engywuck>-ans+and
01:57<dondelelcaro>jpablo: could be; I don't hang out there. You're more than welcome to continue here, of course.
01:58<dondelelcaro>engywuck: yes, but columbia is spanish, and I'm not sure if we have a columbian mirror
01:58<dondelelcaro>(well, a primary language is spanish; there are of course lots of other languages spoken there)
01:58<dondelelcaro>er, s/u/o/
01:59<aaroninfidel>can someone teach me a little about themes?
01:59<engywuck>oh, well, then...
01:59<engywuck>sorry aaron, don't use themes myself
01:59<aaroninfidel>ok
01:59<dondelelcaro>oh, actually we do: debian.funlam.edu.co
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02:00<jpablo>When I tried install qtoctave from synaptic said me
02:00<jpablo>The following packages are not resolvable dependencies.
02:00<jpablo>Make sure that all required repositories are added and enabled in preferences
02:00<dondelelcaro>jpablo: if you run LANG=C aptitude install qtoctave; from the command line and paste the results, we can tell you what is happening
02:01<dondelelcaro>jpablo: that way you won't have to translate
02:01<aaroninfidel>engywuck, do you know how to make a program become your default theme manager?
02:02<jpablo>dondelelcaro: Can you explainme what is LANG=C?
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02:03<aaroninfidel>how can I make compiz run @ startup?
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02:05<engywuck>add it to xorg.conf?
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02:06<engywuck>http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz?highlight=(compiz)
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02:08<aaroninfidel>how can I remove compiz and revert back to my old wm?
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02:09<jpablo>dondelelcaro: I have a big problem
02:09<dondelelcaro>jpablo: LANG=C foocmd; changes the LANG environmental variable to C, which happens to be english.
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02:10<dondelelcaro>jpablo: so everything that aptitude does will be in english, so we can see what the problem is.
02:10<jpablo>dondelelcaro: After of that command my system was reboot
02:10<jpablo>but There is in command-line
02:11<jpablo>In this moment I am in other laptop(with debian)
02:11<jpablo>I know that dont pass to tty1
02:12<dondelelcaro>uh... nothing in that command should have caused your system to reboot
02:12<jpablo>:s
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02:12<jpablo>But Why The system dont start the graphic-mode?
02:13<cesurasean>How do I make perl work? I'm trying to run a perl script from the cgi-bin directory to test perl, and it's not working.
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02:13<cesurasean>im getting an error 500 on my webbrowser
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02:14<jpablo>dondelelcaro: I need a miracle
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02:17<dondelelcaro>jpablo: see what /etc/init.d/gdm start; says (or whatever your display manager is)
02:18<jpablo>pass of line
02:19<jpablo>Dont said me any error
02:19<jpablo>dondelelcaro: Reboot?
02:20<dondelelcaro>jpablo: you should see an error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or similar
02:20<jpablo>Ok..One moment please
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02:21<jpablo>There are 750 lines
02:21<jpablo>:s
02:22<dondelelcaro>jpablo: the error will be near the end if there is one
02:23<jpablo>dondelelcaro: The last line said "FreeFontPath FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" ....
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02:30<jpablo>dondelelcaro: I know that this is the error
02:31<cesurasean>can someone point me in the right direction as far as getting perl scripts to run under cgi-bin
02:31<cesurasean>?
02:31<jpablo>What Can I do?
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03:23<jpablo>dondelelcaro: My system is good now!! :)
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03:47<aaroninfidel>how can I check which sound daemon I'm using?
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03:53<oipunx>u mean driver?
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03:56<streuner_>aaroninfidel: if you using GNOME its prolly ESD, KDE -> ARTS
03:56<aaroninfidel>streuner_, I'm using Xfce
03:57<streuner_>aaroninfidel: ps aux | grep -i esd (arts)
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03:58<aaroninfidel>streuner_, it says its running
03:58<streuner_>esd?
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03:58<streuner_>just paste the 2 lines here
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03:59<aaroninfidel>streuner_, yep, I'm trying to use synaesthesia with esd but, I don't know how to use it with rhythmbox
04:00<aaroninfidel>streuner_, any ideas?
04:00<streuner_>yes :-)
04:00<streuner_>!esd
04:00<dpkg>hmm... esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon
04:00<streuner_>:-P
04:00<weasel>hah
04:00<aaroninfidel>ah, thanks :P
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04:01<streuner_>Is there a special reason why you using ESD instead of ALSA?
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04:02<aaroninfidel>streuner_, oh.... I guess its because I'm a newbie with linux, its 1AM and.... just trying to figure out all this "cool software" to play with :P
04:02<hekatomb>hardly esd vs alsa rather esd on top of alsa
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04:02<aaroninfidel>streuner_, so, in other words... no there isn't.
04:03<streuner_>good, just disable ESD and run "alsaconf" :-)
04:03<streuner_>aptitude install alsa-utils
04:04<aaroninfidel>do you recommend me using aptitude vs apt-get?
04:04<streuner_>yes
04:05<aaroninfidel>how come?
04:05<streuner_>aptitutde is the tool for new Debian Users...
04:05<streuner_>!aptitutde
04:05*streuner_ cant spell anymore
04:05<aaroninfidel>!aptitude
04:05<dpkg>it has been said that aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> ...
04:06<aaroninfidel>I see.
04:06<aaroninfidel>:)
04:06<aaroninfidel>alsaconf didn't work even after I installed the tools
04:07<hekatomb>shouldn't really need alsaconf
04:07<petern>us long term "just users" of debian still use apt-get
04:08<petern>because aptitude was that slow text gui thing originally...
04:08<aaroninfidel>what do you guys use for your audio players? I'm using rhythmbox, anything else better IYO?
04:08<hekatomb>s/us/me/?
04:08<petern>and there's nothing mentioned when running apt-get that says aptitude should be used...
04:08<streuner_>aaroninfidel: still xmms and juk
04:09<aaroninfidel>streuner_, is there a gui for that? I'm using Xfce
04:09<streuner_>!info juk
04:09<aaroninfidel>!juk
04:09<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, juk is some jukebox software written by some kde geeks that is here http://www.slackorama.net/oss/juk/
04:09<dpkg>juk: (music organizer and player for KDE), section sound, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 726 kB, Installed size: 1740 kB
04:10<streuner_>but it works on any windowmanager/DE as well..
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04:12<aaroninfidel>I've got a macbook pro with a very touchy trackpad, any idea on what would be good to install so it doesn't freak out when I accidentally touch it while I'm typing?
04:12<aaroninfidel>also, it scrolls with X & Y is there anyway I can just get to to scoll on the Y axis?
04:12<aaroninfidel>scroll*
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04:16<gsimmons>aaroninfidel: Sounds like you want to disable tap-to-click, among others. See http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro for an example synaptics configuration.
04:16<gsimmons>grah
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04:20<aaroninfidel>hi again
04:20<aaroninfidel>when I hit ctrl+alt+delete to refresh my window manager it says it has a bad config to the login daemon or something? what should I do to fix that?
04:23<hekatomb>aaroninfidel: a more precise error description would probably help
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04:23<aaroninfidel>hekatomb, ok. I'll do it again 1 second.
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04:23<hekatomb>you really men ctrl-alt-bkspc?
04:23<hekatomb>mean
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04:25<aaroninfidel>ok, so for some reason it works fine now.... where is the xorg config file located?
04:26<hekatomb> /etx/X11/xorg.conf
04:26<hekatomb>meh etc
04:27<aaroninfidel>how can I get linux to auto update my xorg.conf?
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04:28<hekatomb>no such thing
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04:31<aaroninfidel>hekatomb you lie, I just read about dexconf
04:32<hekatomb>depends on how you define auto update then
04:32<aaroninfidel>well, I am a newbie and as you know... we tend to not know what we're talking about :P
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04:34<aaroninfidel>sorry hekatomb, did you say anything before I quit?
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04:35<goethe>Hey guys
04:35<goethe>Can i ask a little question
04:36<hekatomb>!ask
04:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
04:36<goethe>thanks hekatomb, What is the default chmod value for files, and what for maps?
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04:37<silent>hi
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04:38<hekatomb>goethe: the umask is set in /etc/profile (IIRC) unless you've set it elsewhere
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04:39<aaroninfidel>how do I get gdm to startup before login?
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04:39<hekatomb>aaroninfidel: update-rc.d gdm defaults (I think)
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04:42<aaroninfidel>hmm
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04:42<aaroninfidel>my sound stopped working....
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04:43<hekatomb>fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* might give a clue
04:44<aaroninfidel>didn't do anything...
04:44<hekatomb>nothing returned?
04:44<aaroninfidel>nope
04:45<hekatomb>try speaker-test -t wav -c 2 - any error?
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04:46<aaroninfidel>Unknowm PCM Default?
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04:46<hekatomb>try alsa force-reload (as root)
04:47<aaroninfidel>hmm
04:47<aaroninfidel>I feel like some of my services aren't working after I hit ctrl+alt+delete
04:47<aaroninfidel>:/
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05:11<Inqui>buenas
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06:01<Tuplad>how can I find out what motherboard I have ?
06:01<Tuplad>through console :D
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06:01<hekatomb>try dmidecode
06:02<alex-22k>hwinfo
06:02<Tuplad>alex-22k: looked there, but couldn't find it :(
06:02<Tuplad>hekatomb: thanks, that's it :)
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06:10<alex-22k>or me yesterday did a sound disappear and writes that does not can find a sound device - who can does know how with it to fight?
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06:20<RaZa>morning all :) Just wondered if anyone could tell me how to set the file browser to open a terminal, run a command and close afterwards (when i click on a file)
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06:32<amischi> i have a problems with panel
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06:36<amischi>i manually configure dpkg but he said that there is a problem with a software tttf mathematica and than at the end is written aborted
06:37<alys>Please, does anyone know if I can install icecat from the debian depositories. I have searched in vain for it....
06:38<RaZa>alys: if apt-get install -y icecat doesn't work then chances are we aint got it
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06:39<RaZa>add icecat's own repo (if they have one) or download a .deb for it from their site
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06:40<themill>!dbugs 511644
06:40<dpkg>#511644:G[ttf-mathematica4.1] ttf-mathematica4.1: Mathematica fonts have changed url (); Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:54:01 UTC []
06:40<themill>amischi: ^^
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06:49<binarymutant>Anyone know a way to get Cellwiter, or some other On Screen Keyboard, to work with GDM
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07:19<rainmanp7>gdmorning
07:20<metalqga>now i get where the name gdm comes from :P
07:20<rainmanp7>If anyone is awake i need some help please with setting a harddrive to udma ? or actually turning it on because i'm getting a wierd error
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07:21<rainmanp7>I can post the drive info in paste bin :)
07:21<metalqga>play with hdparm
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07:22<rainmanp7>i'm even trying to turn on the dma and i'm getting a HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
07:24<rainmanp7>currently the drive is running in this mode IO_support = 0 (default)
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07:25<Vanished>coucou tout le monde
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07:25<Vanished>comment s'appelle déjà les "coudières" sur les sièges
07:26<Vanished>c'est pas des coudières parce que les coudières c'est des protection pour les coude lorsqu'on fait de la glisse
07:26<Vanished>mais quel est le mot pour désigner les "repose bras" sur les sièges ,
07:26<Vanished>svp
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07:27<maxb>!fr
07:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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07:27<Vanished>I thought i was on deb-fr
07:27<Vanished>escuse me friends
07:28<Vanished>but how did you know that i was french ?
07:29<EmleyMoor>You spoke French - many of us recognise it
07:29<weasel>recognizing other languages is pretty easy,
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07:29<weasel>at least for the standard set of languages one sees here
07:30<EmleyMoor>(It doesn't matter whether you are French or merely French-speaking)
07:30<weasel>you speak french, you are french.
07:30<weasel>just like if you put the queen on your money you are british
07:30<weasel>(hello australians :)
07:30<EmleyMoor>Not necessarily
07:31<EmleyMoor>(could be Belgian, Canadian, Swiss...)
07:31<rainmanp7>wow I love this conversation hehe
07:31<weasel>all different flavours of french
07:31<weasel>but we are quickly going off-topic :)
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07:32<Vanished>lol
07:32<Vanished>okay okay ;-)
07:32<Vanished>I trust you
07:32<rainmanp7>If a duck quacks it's a duck ;)
07:32<Vanished>lol
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07:34<rainmanp7>one day i'm going to be a Linux admin and be able to work many distros it's just trying to find information about high end stuff and clustering speed is kinda tuff in laymans terms
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07:34<rainmanp7>I understand it all -> it's the where the hell is that file to set that lol
07:36<rainmanp7>Do you guys know if there is a Distro that trys to run the system as fast as possible with the highest configuration for the hardware on a computer ?
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07:42<EmleyMoor>I know of no active istrbution that comes "specially tuned" now
07:42<EmleyMoor>distribution
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07:43<EmleyMoor>... and even if I did, I wouldn't mention it here unless it was Debian
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07:43<rainmanp7>k
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07:45<silent>you are speak czech?
07:45-!-pwerken_ is now known as pwerken
07:46<EmleyMoor>!cz
07:46<dpkg>i guess cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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07:47<silent>ok thanks
07:48<silent>I'm in #debian-cz one user I
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07:52<Vanished>sorry there, but I have a problem with konqueror and it's way to delete files : where does it mooves files ? Because when I delete a file with it, it doesn't free my hard disk
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08:00<rainmanp7>Vanished i'm thinging a trash bin
08:00<rainmanp7>*thinking
08:01<Vanished>yeah ? because /root/Desktop => trash:/ is empty and /root/ocal/share/Trash too
08:01<Vanished>:s
08:02<Vanished>so i don't understand :s
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08:22<hever>Hell I get "mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory" what package contains this file ?
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08:29<abrotman>!tell hever about apt-file
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08:32<stuckey>I just installed cups-pdf package; how do I get the cups-pdf output option to show up in any given program?
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08:36<TakeABow>Hmmm, i'm on this etch box via ssh
08:37<TakeABow>is it possible to install something that will allow me to get into the box and view it on a gui
08:37<abrotman>vnc
08:38<TakeABow>apt-get install vnc4server/
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08:39<stuckey>How do I view the documentation that came with a package after installing it?
08:40<abrotman>look in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/
08:41<stuckey>Thanks abrotman
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08:43<SkyDreamer>hello all, quick question, how do i configure my nic?
08:44<SkyDreamer>ifconfig seems to only display the info on it
08:44<abrotman>!tell SkyDreamer about interfaces
08:44<metalqga>skydreamer installing debian day 4 ? "P
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08:45<stuckey>How could I output something running through wine with cups-pdf? Is that possible?
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08:47<SkyDreamer>yes metal
08:47<SkyDreamer>i installed it, i only have to figure out how to configure the internet
08:48<SkyDreamer>so i need to get to a file on the hdd to modify a interface conf?
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08:54<TakeABow>how can i install lighttpd on a port other than 80, it keeps failing because i'm already using apache
08:55<weasel>very likely.
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09:19<lxsameer>hi is here any channel about costum debian distro?
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09:21<LL00>#debian-boot I think
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09:22<SkyDreamer>my network card is not working, even tho it is present as eth0 in the ifconfig list, the leds on it are off, also the led in the switch where it connects
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09:22<SkyDreamer>could it be a driver malfunction? can i reinstall it?
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09:22<abrotman>!tell SkyDreamer about interfaces
09:22<SkyDreamer>u already told me that
09:23<SkyDreamer>it ain't working
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09:23<LL00>!tell LL00 about interfaces
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09:24<abrotman>!tell LL00 about selftell
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09:25<SkyDreamer>so no one?
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09:32<valdyn>SkyDreamer: run ifconfig eth0 up, if no light is on then its more likely the cabling than the driver
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09:35<SkyDreamer>thanks for the tip valdyn, but still no light
09:35<SkyDreamer>before installing linux, i used to have win xp, and it worked just fine
09:36<SkyDreamer>so i don't think it's the cabling
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09:40<SkyDreamer>so, how do i reinstall the driver or smth?
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09:41<Slydder1>damn. you just gotta love checkinstall. lol
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09:42<fxiny>mozilla sucks ! i'm trying toi check why lenny muse-el is not working and according to firefrog/google http://mwolson.org/projects/EmacsMuse.html can harm my computer ! f* world of idiots
09:42<fxiny>i'll switch to yahho for goods !
09:43<fxiny>no more google
09:43<fxiny>i have enough
09:44<Nemoder>iceape is to be removed from lenny :(
09:44<fxiny>anyway : installing muse-el planner-el in lenny and editing .emcs s/21/22 won't load my .muse files
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09:45<narcan>hi
09:45<narcan>http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://www.debian-fr.org/
09:45<fxiny>it seems is firefrog not google cause opera can load muse site
09:45<narcan>is it a joke?
09:45<narcan>^^
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09:47<fxiny>anyway firefrog say "google" and all links arew google links . this is ridicolous
09:47<MrHumphreys>i just got the same error in opera
09:47*themill points the discussion of google towards #debian-offtopic
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09:48<narcan>themill ;) ok
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09:48<Nadal80>hi
09:48<fxiny>why ? i'm swetting up muse-el on lenny and is not working so i'm browsing the net and google is on my way
09:48<fxiny>setting*
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09:49<Nadal80>hey guys, having trouble you too with google?
09:49<themill>fxiny: a bug in google is hardly on-topic for #debian.
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09:49<fxiny>i want to see if the mantainer changed something
09:49<Nadal80>all searchs are listed as not safe
09:49<fxiny>themill: that is not a google bug
09:50<Nadal80>it's a google's hack?
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09:50<fxiny>is a google shame
09:50<Nadal80>ghghgh
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09:50<themill>fxiny: yes it is. Google's malware detector thing has gone mad. That's nothing to do with your browser and nothing to do with debian
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09:51<fxiny>themill: it interferes with a users looking for info while upgrading his box
09:51<Nadal80>themill: if you search debian inside google, it's not a safe website ;)
09:52<TakeABow>Now rtorrent is installed, set it up. It's settings are stored in your users /home/user/ folder as '.rtorrent.rc'. E.g. - '/home/bob/.rtorrent.rc'.
09:52<TakeABow>where would this be if i installed as root
09:52<themill>fxiny: come on... use a different search engine then. Ask where else you can get information then. Last time I looked, the debian project was not dependent on google in any way at all
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09:53<sato>is there something wrong with google?
09:53<Nadal80>:D
09:53<azeem>sato: that's off-topic here
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09:54<fxiny>themill: before askiing the chan i do my homework . i collect info , i browse the net , i am very upset
09:54<fxiny>so i must defend myself , next
09:54<themill>fxiny: yeah, I know. That doesn't make google on-topic here. Ask your real questions.
09:55<fxiny>themill: muse-el emcas22 won't load properly my index.muse files . all hyperlinks are broken
09:56<fxiny>could it be a new ~/.emacs syntax ? i was looking for that
09:56<LL00>does debian get global ipv6 from RA ?
09:57<fxiny>of course old ~/.emacs was (add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/muse-el")) ansd i've changet it to ...22
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09:57<xxclone>ciao
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09:58<xxclone>nessuno italiano
09:58<azeem>!it
09:58<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:58<xxclone>grazie
09:58<fxiny>emacs report "error" is : "there are no Muse projects defined , see muse-project-alist"
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09:59<fxiny>maybe they moved stuff in /etc , that'as exactly what i was looking for
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10:00<SkyDreamer>how do i switch from gnome to kde?
10:01<stuckey>SkyDreamer: apt-get install gnome-core
10:01<stuckey>SkyDreamer: then select gnome when you login.
10:01<SkyDreamer>i have gnome
10:01<SkyDreamer>i want kde
10:01<stuckey>apt-cache search KDE dekstop
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10:02<CQ2>Hello, what does this mean exactly? I need to run unstable to get the current kolab installed from debiam packages? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kolab&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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10:04<fxiny>themill: i'm having a break . i spot an aptitusde message when reinstaling "error while loading 50muse-el" "error while loading 51planenr-el"
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10:05<fxiny>bbl
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10:08<fblade1987>anyone help me with xorg and dual screens?
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10:10<abrotman>!ask
10:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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10:11<fblade1987>thanks ok then will some walk through how to configure dual screens up on xorg I'm getting lost
10:12<stuckey>fblade1987: check /usr/share/doc/ for something about X-sever
10:12<fblade1987>i have a 1440*900 and a 1650*1050 to the right of it
10:12<stuckey>There's several entrys there, and those folders will contain documentation.
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10:13<fblade1987>that's the thing i'm getting confused i'll just paste bin what i have so far
10:13<fblade1987>http://pastebin.ca/index.php
10:14<fblade1987>that is what I have managed to do so far but then got lost
10:14<fblade1987>sorry http://pastebin.ca/1323633
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10:16<abrotman>http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
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10:33<luca_>hi all, I've got 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03); all modules loaded but no audio; alsamixer can see the device, but gnome-sound-properties can't; can anyone help me? thanks
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10:43<burnclouds>hello
10:44<burnclouds>I'm looking for a way to make my boot messages more colorfull (ala Knoppix)
10:44<burnclouds>any Idea's?
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10:45<metalqga>splashy
10:45<metalqga>for a boot image
10:46<burnclouds>no, no, not a boot image. I want the "ugly" text. I want to see whats going on I just want it to b ecolorized like the way knoppix does it.
10:46<burnclouds>Oh, I'm not mixed debian testing
10:46<fxiny>themill: just for the records : on my box lenny muse and planner seem ok . emacs --debug-init index.muse showed me a missing ~/.emacs-records file .that was breaking all muse hyperlinks . going for ecb and org-mode next . debian rulez !
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10:47<leonardo>Hi, how to uninstall konqueror without remove kde files?
10:47<leonardo>kde core and...
10:48<fxiny>leonardo: why ?
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10:48<leonardo>kde minimal
10:48<burnclouds>lol
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10:48<burnclouds>that's called gnome.
10:49<leonardo>I want kde but don't want konqueror
10:49<burnclouds>or xfce, or fluxbox, or ratpoison
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10:49<abrotman>!install kde
10:49<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version>
10:49<fxiny>xmonad awesome . plenty
10:50<burnclouds>sudo apt-get install kde-core kdebase; sudo apt-get remove konqueror
10:50<fxiny>leonardo: dependencies , see yourself by running : aptitude -s purge konqueror
10:50<burnclouds>That might do what you want
10:51<leonardo>what -s meand?
10:51<leonardo>means
10:51<fxiny>simulate
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10:51<abrotman>!why aptitude
10:51<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
10:52<abrotman>and not everyone has sudo configured
10:52<abrotman>or even installed
10:52<fxiny>sudo zurg :P
10:52<leonardo>will run will run
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10:53<leonardo>ops, say to uninstall kde4-minimal
10:53<leonardo>I would like to maintain it
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10:53<leonardo>and kdebase too
10:54<fxiny>konqueror is ok . why are yo removing one of the nicest kde apps ?
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10:54<leonardo>I use iceweasel
10:54<leonardo>will use google chrome
10:54<leonardo>why i need konqueror
10:55<leonardo>I just installed kde because an app needed it
10:55<leonardo>I don't use it as standard, i use gnome
10:55<fxiny>i read on the news too much against kde . i am no kde user but i don't like at all
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10:55<leonardo>It's because it I want to remove knoqueror
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10:56<leonardo>so any idea how to remove only konqueror
10:56<leonardo>?
10:56<fxiny>i remember when kde gave to woody desktop a twist in speed and usability
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10:59<fxiny>leonardo: i had some problem before with mozilla/google/bigbrother and i used opera . having an alternative browser like konqueror makes sense
10:59<leonardo>And I use opera too
10:59<leonardo>so doesn't make sense have konqueror
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11:00<fxiny>konqeror is open source and opera is not
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11:01<fxiny>konqueror*
11:01<julioh>Hi
11:01<fxiny>anyway i don't use "folders" based desktops enve :P
11:02<fxiny>i can't even rememeber last time i clicked on a dir icon
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11:02<burnclouds>any one know how knoppix does the color boot messages? i'd like to do the same thing to my lenny box
11:03<Torsten_W>burnclouds: may, ask knopper
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11:03<fxiny>ohh nice , org-mode seems interesting
11:04<petemc>burnclouds: frambuffer
11:04<petemc>framebuffer, even
11:04<abrotman>petemcbuffer!
11:04<petemc>abrufferman!
11:04<fxiny>can't laugh :P
11:05<petemc>how many cheessteaks have you eaten today abrotman ?
11:05<abrotman>zero!
11:05<petemc>such a waste
11:05<abrotman>not really lunch time yet
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11:06<petemc>cheesesteak and eggs, breakfast of champions
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11:06<abrotman>hehe
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11:07<julioh>Hi http://lintian.debian.org/tags/build-depends-on-obsolete-package.html, somebody undestand that i want to change x-dev xutils
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11:08<TakeABow>how do i copy and paste in?
11:09<TakeABow>just copy and paste*
11:09<Kakadu>hallo All.
11:09<Kakadu>I log in my system, and see this:
11:09<Kakadu>Xsession: unable to start X session - no "/home/kakadu/.xsession" file, no session managers, no window managers nad no terminal emulator found; aborting.
11:09<Kakadu>What does it mean?
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11:10<abrotman>julioh: undestand what about it ?
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11:10<Kakadu>I log in my system, and see this: Xsession: unable to start X session - no "/home/kakadu/.xsession" file, no session managers, no window managers nad no terminal emulator found; aborting. What does it mean?
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11:11<SkyDreamer>how do i open a "run" prompt? ie: i want to launch xmms, and can't find it in the menu, so i want to write in smth similar to command prompt xmms and it should boot
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11:12<burnclouds>So, I'm looking to colorize my boot messages ala knoppix. I run over #knoppix and no one was home. I've tried googling and seen some posts about using splashy. But I'm not looking for a boot image. I want colorized boot text. Like knoppix. Any Ideas?
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11:16<burnclouds>SkyDreamer: what window manager are you using?
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11:17<pippoz>irc.darcksin.net
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11:17<diego>hi, could you tell me if this output of mbmon is fine ?
11:17<diego>Temp.= 25.0, 47.0, 25.0; Rot.= 4326, 0, 0
11:17<diego>Vcore = 1.39, 2.62; Volt. = 3.23, 4.35, 11.43, -5.23, -1.95
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11:20<alex-22k>how to collect the module nvidia?
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11:25<fxiny>hahaha now it says 403 hahahah just removing the interstitial /interstitial?url= .hahahah
11:25<diego>hi guys ... can you check this output
11:25<diego>Temp.= 25.0, 47.0, 25.0; Rot.= 4326, 0, 0
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11:25<diego>Vcore = 1.39, 2.62; Volt. = 3.23, 4.35, 11.43, -5.23, -1.95
11:25<diego>(from mbmon)
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11:26<diego>I dont know what each number is hehe ... and hte computer is turning off by itself randomly
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11:26<SkyDreamer>how can i install a tv tunner board in debian 4.0r6? i have a pinnacle board
11:26<SkyDreamer>also, i need a program to run the output. in windows i used christv
11:26<metalqga>diego, depends on the cpu and chipset
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11:27<diego>its a pentium 4, 3GHz
11:27<metalqga>but the temps for the cpu should be below 65-70degC
11:27<diego>it just turned off so I cannot cat /proc/cpuinfo now
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11:27<diego>(its not even mine)
11:28<metalqga>my pc used to restart because of the chipset overheating, so check it too
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11:28<diego>metalqga: how do I check it
11:28<fxiny>can't belive it ! they fixed it
11:29*fxiny thinks some geeks kicked gog-magog a*
11:29<LL00>last lenny have ipv6 diseaded?
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11:33*fxiny wonders if complaining for "bad economy" in #debian can get the f* wall street fixed
11:35<SkyDreamer>after i get a tar.gz with a source from the web
11:35<SkyDreamer>how do i compile the actual program?
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11:35<TakeABow>what program is this
11:35<SkyDreamer>tvtime
11:35<fxiny>SkyDreamer: read the provided README file
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11:37<SkyDreamer>thanks fxiny, thought it was a general thing, will look in readme
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11:39<fxiny>SkyDreamer: readme ,install , whatever , then you need libs maybe . all debian libs you might need end with -dev
11:40<fxiny>SkyDreamer: when configure ends with a missing lib error you run : apt-cache search missing-lib-dev
11:42<TakeABow>in cp, what does -a do?
11:42<abrotman>man cp
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11:51<SkyDreamer>i was recomended to get synaptic
11:51<SkyDreamer>i think i got it, with apt-get install synaptic
11:51<SkyDreamer>now how do i run it?
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11:52<SkyDreamer>nvm
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12:00<SkyDreamer>how do i go up one level in terminal? i mean up a directory
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12:01<dr|z3d>cd ..
12:01<SkyDreamer>command not found
12:01<SkyDreamer>that was my idea too
12:02<dr|z3d>Command not found? Wtf are you running there?
12:02<SkyDreamer>beats me :)
12:02<SkyDreamer>debian 4.0r6
12:02<helmut>SkyDreamer: what is said before "command not found"?
12:02<Werid>make sure you put a space between cd and the two dots
12:03<SkyDreamer>bash: cd..: command no found
12:03<SkyDreamer>aaaa
12:03<SkyDreamer>that's a completely different thing =) thanks
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12:08<maximka>здрасте, русские есть?)
12:09<alex-22k>да
12:09<alex-22k>)
12:09<abrotman>english please
12:10<metalqga>!ru
12:10<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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12:11<alex-22k>)
12:12<alex-22k> #debian-russian keep out there )))
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12:13<SkyDreamer>he's actually from croatia
12:14<metalqga>who
12:14<SkyDreamer>alex_22k
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12:26<garrett_>Hallo?
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12:27<garrett_>hallo
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12:28<abrotman>yes?
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12:31<fxiny>looking for The Kid ? :P
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12:37<alex-22k>"he's actually from croatia" - how it?
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12:40<alex-22k>"he's actually from croatia" - I do not understand
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12:43<Valtiel-ASD>alex-22k: he's from Croatia
12:44<Valtiel-ASD>you know ?
12:44<Valtiel-ASD>Croatia Europa
12:44<Valtiel-ASD>Country
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12:47<alex-22k>clearly, simply I not super connoisseur of English )
12:48<metalqga>hrvatska?
12:48<Valtiel-ASD>alex-22k: me too
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12:49<Valtiel-ASD>from ?
12:49<kurumin>i lost my partition d and e
12:49<kurumin>¬¬
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12:49<alex-22k>ukraine
12:49<Valtiel-ASD>)))
12:50<themill>ever--: please ask in #kurumin on irc.freenode.net.
12:50<Valtiel-ASD>i'm russian
12:50<Valtiel-ASD>)
12:51<alex-22k>а ч' по русски не написал. ))
12:51<metalqga>!en
12:51<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
12:51<ever-->i lost using debian mount, after i wento to windows and use the partition, when i wake up and turn on the pc, it wasnt working ¬¬
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12:59<Valtiel-ASD>ever--: do you install windows and it erase grub in mbr ?
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13:01<zeev>does lenny have a program similar to skype? where one can have a conversation/conference a chat and a notification on users signing in?
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13:01<Valtiel-ASD>use linux native skype
13:02<zeev>what is the name of the package?
13:02<Valtiel-ASD>skype
13:02<Valtiel-ASD>enter on website
13:02<zeev>I don't see it in my repository
13:02<zeev>(testing)
13:02<Engywuck>just add skype to your sources.list
13:02<Valtiel-ASD>this is proprietary pakage
13:02<zeev>non-free section?
13:03<themill>!skype
13:03<dpkg>skype is, like, a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free"
13:03<Engywuck>deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian stable non-free
13:03<zeev>thanks
13:03<zeev>is there an open source alternative?
13:03<zeev>gtk based?
13:03<Engywuck>i should have known that dpkg knows this.... :)
13:03<Engywuck>if you want to connect to skype users: not that I'm aware of
13:04<themill>zeev: not to talk to skype users, but you can use ekiga to chat to other SIP users
13:04<zeev>great
13:04<themill>!ekiga
13:04<dpkg>well, ekiga is a H323 and SIP compatible VoIP client, that supports video chat and is mostly compatible with the proprietary program "netmeeting". formerly known as 'gnomemeeting'
13:04<zeev>so it has chat and user login notification?
13:04<zeev>it doesn't have to be skype compatible
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13:06<themill>voice and text chatting. not sure about login notification. There are also plenty of google talk and msn chat clients around.
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13:19<rahji__>can someone please recommend a good resource site for setting drupal up in a multi server environment with memcache?
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13:20<cesurasean> can someone point me in the right direction as far as getting perl scripts to run under cgi-bin? I keep getting error 500 in the webbrowser form a Hello World script.
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13:24<igbed>hi
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13:31<And1>How do I change my hostname completely? 'dpkg-reconfigure hostname' and grep for my current hostname in /etc/ and replace everything with the new one? Or is there an easier way?
13:31<abrotman>And1: change /etc/hostname and reboot
13:31<erKURITA>^
13:31<cesurasean>and1, edit /etc/hostname
13:32<erKURITA>!tell And1 -about hostname
13:33<And1>Ok, thanks folks. :)
13:33<cesurasean>can someone tell me how to get perl working with apache?
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13:37<chealer>cesurasean: which Helle World script?
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13:42<cesurasean>a simple hello script written in perl
13:43<cesurasean>I just installed libapache-mod-perl, and that doesn't seem to work either.
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13:47<chealer>cesurasean: what does that simple hello script written in perl contain%
13:47<chealer>?
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13:48<cesurasean>I know the script works
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13:48<cesurasean>just says hello world
13:48<cesurasean>I'm not sure why my webserver is giving me error 500 through the web browser though
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13:49<cesurasean>the script works fine from the command line
13:49<cesurasean>my problem is something to do with apache and perl together.
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14:09<cesurasean>I found out my problem with apache. It's suexec that's messing up.
14:09<cesurasean>finally found some logs on the problem. :)
14:12<cesurasean>does anyone else use suexec on their system?
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14:47<variable>hot to check which kernel do i have?
14:48<cesurasean>variable, once you login it will tell you
14:49<cesurasean>if you read the message once you login, it will tell you kernel version
14:49<cesurasean>there is also another way, I forget and you might need to google it for the command
14:49<variable>well i found it on /boot dir
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14:50<variable>hmm update manager found 217 new updates ;] not bad
14:51<blarson>variable: uname -a
14:52<variable>blarson, thanks
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14:54<variable>why for some usb-keys i don't have permission to mount it, when i insert it to socket?
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14:54<variable>is there some trigger or what?
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14:55<jonathan>hi
14:55<variable>they were formated on win
14:56<variable>hi
14:57<dr|z3d>variable: Check your user permissions.
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14:57<jonathan>do u agree that the release of HPs umpc with its faulty deployment of SuSE SLED has been bad for the linux community?
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14:59<stuckey>Hello
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15:00<variable>dr|z3d, on usb key owner is unknown and same with others
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15:00<variable>but access is read-only
15:00<stuckey>Would someone tell me where I could get a "package index file" of Debian packages, to be used with dselect?
15:00<dr|z3d>variable: If you run your filemanager as root, can you see the device?
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15:01<variable>i'm running it as simple user and i can see it
15:02<variable>i can see all of them but i can't read it or open
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15:04<burnclouds>hello all
15:05<jonathan>hi burnclouds
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15:07<kop>stuckey : It's gotten for you when you do something like "aptitude update".
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15:08<burnclouds>any one know how to get colorful boot messages (ala Knoppix)
15:08<stuckey>kop: I'm learning how to use dselect...
15:08<dr|z3d>burnclouds: aptitude install startupmanager
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15:08<burnclouds>!dpkg startupmanager
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15:09<kop>stuckey : IIRC it's depreciated. Better to use aptitude (or even synaptic.)
15:09<burnclouds>dpkg: startupmanager
15:09<dpkg>burnclouds: are you smoking crack?
15:09<alex-22k>is it possible to add to the kernel the module of nvidia in a working kernel?
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15:09<variable>does it for you all ff3 images on it is low quality?
15:10<kop>stuckey : I find the curses interface lame and just do my searches etc from the command line.
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15:12<burnclouds>!dpkg startupmanager
15:13<abrotman>burnclouds: leave the bot alone
15:14<abrotman>burnclouds: did you ask #knoppix on irc.freenode.net how they do it ?
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15:14<burnclouds>yeah.. No one was there
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15:14<abrotman>so wait longer
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15:15<enouf>burnclouds: take apart the minirt.gz
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15:16<enouf>burnclouds: cat /mnt/p3/home/distro/knoppix/5.x/General-Startup-Script-minirt-linuxrc
15:16<enouf>Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1323832
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15:17<ubuntu>Hi , i would like to install Ubuntu on my desktop but the install from the live DVD seems not to work(probably a bad burn ) . I was wondering if i can install ubuntu to the disk from the liveDVD ( without the internal install setup ) from from the network
15:17<jrabbit>Hint.
15:17<jrabbit>#debian
15:17<enouf>ubuntu: wrong channel
15:17<ubuntu>soory
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15:18<jrabbit>wrong network.
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15:18<jrabbit>I don't think theres any ubuntu related channels on here lol
15:18<enouf>how about general linux channels?
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15:19<jrabbit>I don't understand what goes through someones mind that "ubuntu is based on debian" OH ILL GO BUG THEM
15:20<burnclouds>hehe
15:20<burnclouds>Thats what I think every time I go to the Ubuntu channels... :D
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15:22<burnclouds>So I read through that patebin doc. It seems like doing what I want is going to be messy and long. Are there not any simpler methods?
15:22<enouf>if you figure any out, be sure to notify the knoppix folks
15:23<burnclouds>lol
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15:27<stuckey>kop: what does IIRC mean?
15:27<ranix>if I remember correctly
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15:28<stuckey>Someone should go to #ubuntu and ask how to set up an nVidia card in Lenny.
15:28<ranix>did that, they don't know what Lenny is
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15:29<ranix>once I was trolling them asking for help setting up mouse drivers for Xfree86 in Potato and they thought I was using an xbox
15:29<stuckey>At least Ubuntu brings in more users for Linux ...
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15:34<kop>I'm wondering what happends with OpenVPN when your CA expires. The docs say you can use a ca file with multiple certificate in pem format concatenated together. I presume this means that if any of the certificates have signed the key then it's valid, an 'or' relationship rather than an 'and'. Has anybody ever tried this or had to switch CA certificates? How is it done?
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15:39<Lemonzest><stuckey> At least Ubuntu brings in more clueless noobs for Linux ... <-- fixed
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15:39<chealer>Lemonzest: please stick to topic
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15:51<stuckey>Does anyon here use a secondary mirror site instead of a Primary one?
15:52<abrotman>me
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15:56<stuckey>abrotman: why? What's the benefit?
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15:58<abrotman>what's the benefit of using what you call a primary?
15:58<stuckey>I don't know.. that's what I'm trying to figure out.
15:59<stuckey>Why are there primary and secondary sites?
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16:07<drasko>Hi all. I have problem with SHMConfig not enabled, preventing me to configure my ALPS GlidePoint touchpad. Any ideas?
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16:17<Guest32>build error error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory. I have kernel-headers installed. Any thoughts?
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16:21<shze>I'm trying to upgrade network-manager from 0.6.6-2 to 0.7.0-1, but it want to install 103 new packages! http://paste.debian.net/27328/ why?
16:22<shze>do I really need all that?
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16:22<burnclouds>Hello all
16:22<amphi>isn't n-m a gnomish thing?
16:22<kop>stuckey : I use secondaries all the time. Primaries are there to send to secondaries so the primaries don't get overloaded. I get better bandwidth from secondaries.
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16:23<shze>amphi: the n-m daemon should also work with kde and other desktops..
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16:23<shze>ampi: and 0.6.6 apearently doesn't need those packages.
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16:24<kop>stuckey : Primaries are updated margenally sooner than secondaries, but nobody cares because the only thing that needs updating right away is security, and there's only security.debian.org to get security updates from.
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16:25<stuckey>kop: Okay... it makes sense now. Thanks!
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16:27<themill>shze: dist-upgrade doesn't just upgrade network-manager though, it upgrades all packages and installs extra ones if necessary. You probably don't want to use dist-upgrade to get packages out of sid though.
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16:29<shze>themill: did upgrade before, now it says: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded", and this last one is n-m. So all deps it tries to install are caused by n-m! right?
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16:32<themill>shze: the dependencies aren't that different, but it's trying to install gbome 2.24 from experimental.
16:32<themill>*gnome
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16:36<shze>themill: but I don't want to install gnome, I'm kde user.
16:36<themill>shze: yeah, I don't know why it's dragging in that much gnome
16:37<petern>the dreaded recommends: again?
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16:37<themill>worth trying.... doesn't apt-get tell you that they're recommended though? aptitude certainly does
16:38<shze>yeah, I think so, but I'm using apt-get already, and it doesn't recommend, it want to install directly
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16:39<chealer>!tell shze about apt recommends
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16:40<shze>yes, it recommends: using apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade it only installs libnm-glib0 libnm-util1 libpolkit-dbus2 libpolkit2
16:41<shze>thanks to you all!
16:41<themill>perhaps the "aptitude why" command can help here. that's a good way of working out where in the chain something was annoying like that
16:42<themill>shze: ^^ please investigate this further and consider filing a bug as installing network-manager shouldn't drag in half of gnome on a kde machine.
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16:43<shze>themill: can try.. what do mean exactly by investigating further?
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16:45<drasko>hi. after adding Section "ServerLayout" in xorg.conf to enable touchpad config, my USB mouse started acting weird, especially the left click button.
16:45<themill>shze: I don't know if "aptitude why" understands the "-t experimental" option or similar, but looking at the output of "aptitude why network-manager libgnomevfs2-0" might be informative.
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16:49<shze>themill: aptitude why gives http://paste.debian.net/27331/
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16:51<shze>themill: I think the policykit recommends policykit-gnome causes the gnome install
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16:52<themill>shze: yuck. I'm voting that one of those recommends should not be a recommends... probably the recommends of policykit on policykit-gnome. Can you put the output of your original apt-get command, the output of aptitude why and the output of your second apt-get command (the one that was OK) into a bug report and file it against network-manager?
16:52<themill>Perhaps say that you're not sure if it should be against network-manager or policykit and let the maintainers negotiate that between themselves. "/msg dpkg reportbug" for more info
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16:53<shze>themill: will file a bug report, thanks for your help!
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16:54<themill>shze: no worries, thanks for feeding this information back into the project :)
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16:55<cesurasean>does anyone know what this means? "mismatch with directory (0/0) or program (0/0)"
16:55<rhass>hello there
16:55<cesurasean>seems my apache with suexec isn't working with perl as it should
16:55<cesurasean>this is the error I get it suexec.log
16:56<rhass>I have a strange line in my logs : Jan 30 12:03:04 korn -su[7473]: Noshell warning: user (null) login from a disabled shell
16:57<rhass>can someone tell me why is it that I have that line, dispite that I have no user named null on my system ??
16:58<nutshell42>why does my flash-plugin only work reliably in opera?
16:58<nutshell42>in konqueror the nspluginviewer crashes every few minutes
16:59<nutshell42>and in firefox firefox crashes whenever a page that contains flash is loaded
16:59<nutshell42>sometimes it gets to the point on youtube where the video starts before it crashes but that's about it
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16:59<ranix>nutshell42: happens occasionally to me on Windows also
17:00<nutshell42>nothing against opera but I like nuke anything and noscript and wonder if there's some known issue that firefox crashes constantly
17:00<shze>themill: severity serious?
17:00<nutshell42>ranix: this is not "occasionally", it crashes every single time
17:00<ranix>I want to know the reason f6 doesn't highlight the location bar in the Linux build
17:00<nutshell42>btw. why is firefox the only one of the three where the crashing plugin takes the whole browser with it?
17:00<ranix>and why the hotkey for "downloads" isn't ctrl + j anymore, it's ctrl + y
17:01<ranix>and what the significance of EITHER of those hotkeys is
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17:01<ranix>and why options is edit->preferences instead of tools->options like it is in Windows
17:01<ranix>what the FUCK is mozdev.org smoking
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17:05<nutshell42>i often have to use windows for some time and find all kinds of reasons to like firefox. Then I come back to linux and am reminded again why it is the crappiest pos browser ever coded
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17:06<dr|z3d>nutshell42: Firefox != IE.
17:07<nutshell42>its funny that the evil closed source opera has a linux version that feels like it is the windows version's equal, while with firefox the linux version is the bastard step-child
17:07<nutshell42>dr|z3d: there's no linux ie version
17:07<nutshell42>that is just slightly worse than linux firefox
17:07<cesurasean>does anyone know how to run suexec successfully using Webmin and perl?
17:07<cesurasean>and apache
17:07<dr|z3d>I disagree. Firefox runs fine, either on Windows or Linux.
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17:08<ranix>nutshell42: wait until you compare Opera to Firefox on embedded hardware
17:08<dr|z3d>!webmin
17:08<dpkg>i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
17:08<ranix>I recently tried it on a 300mhz AMD Geode
17:08<ranix>Opera, no problems, snappy as Dillo
17:08<ranix>Firefox wouldn't run
17:08<ranix>period
17:08<ranix>it was unusable
17:08<cesurasean>300mhz? lol
17:08<ranix>300mhz should be enough for almost ANY desktop software
17:09<dr|z3d>Bah, Fennec isn't officially released yet.
17:09<ranix>especially a web browser
17:10<ranix>I try not to be condescending, because I'm writing my own software and I am wasteful too
17:10<ranix>but I'm a novice
17:10<dr|z3d>Also, remember Firefox is _the most_ extensible browser on the market. Nothing else comes close.
17:10<ranix>it's a WEB BROWSER
17:10<ranix>what is this extensible
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17:10<dr|z3d>ranix: Are you trolling?
17:10<nutshell42>dr|z3d: opera is a browser that doesn't crash within 1min of launching it. Firefox doesn't come close.
17:10<LL00> Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. <-- who is dondelelcaro ?
17:10<ranix>no I am not
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17:11<ranix>!dondelcaro
17:11<dr|z3d>ranix: When you install Flash, you're extending the functionality of the browser.
17:11<nutshell42>dr|z3d: no, because it crashes immediatly
17:11<ranix>flash is the worst thing to happen to the Internet since Javascript
17:11<nutshell42>dr|z3d: honestly, tell me a solution to the flash crashes
17:11<nutshell42>and i will sing firefox's praise
17:11<ranix>it's devolution
17:11<ranix>not evolution
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17:12<stuckey>ranix: why so?
17:12<nutshell42>i *want* to use it. but it is just 100% fscked
17:12<ranix>stuckey: it's annoying, obnoxious, and requires closed-source third-party software
17:12<stuckey>ranix: Do you use it?
17:12<ranix>why does a webpage need sound?
17:13<dr|z3d>nutshell42: Try uninstalling and reinstalling Flash. If that fails, try a new profile.
17:13<ranix>stuckey: I have an extension (lol) in firefox to DISABLE flash
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17:13<hareth>server irc.freenode.org
17:13<ranix>I need extensions to remove things!
17:13<hareth>oups sr
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17:13<stuckey>ranix: So you use it sometimes?
17:13<dr|z3d>stuckey: Well spotted ;)
17:14<ranix>stuckey: I use it to watch Youtube videos, and wish its functionality was confined to that case
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17:14<stuckey>Just to recap: 23:08 < ranix> stuckey: it's annoying, obnoxious, and requires closed-source third-party software
17:14<dr|z3d>ranix: then you might like to install prism and use that instead..
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17:14<ranix>just because someone used it to do one interesting thing does not mean it's good
17:14<ranix>I mean, there are interesting uses of javascript too
17:14<ranix>doesn't mean it's a well-written language
17:15<stuckey>I'm just pointing to a contrast...
17:15<stuckey>I hate flash but, yeah, youtube isn't so bad.
17:15<dr|z3d>You haven't made a convincing argument as to why Firefox is so bad, ranix.
17:15<ranix>oh, also Pandora
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17:16<ranix>dr|z3d: my only major gripes are shitty performance in embedded environments and infuriating menu and key relocation from platform to platform
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17:16<ranix>oh and Caret Browsing
17:17<ranix>I use it
17:17<ranix>but I can understand why you wouldn't
17:17<dr|z3d>Embedded, well, wait for a release version to come out. Keyconfigs, sure, annoying. And caret browsing, easily toggled with f7. What else? :)
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17:17<ranix>dr|z3d: the keyconfigs is the only major problem I have
17:18<dr|z3d>ranix: Your prayers answered! http://mozilla.dorando.at/keyconfig.xpi
17:18<ranix>I like to point out that programs that can be extended to do everything under the sun often shouldn't be
17:18<dr|z3d>Well, mostly.
17:18<nutshell42>dr|z3d: thanks for the tip, but I already tried different flash versions and the profile is new
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17:18<ranix>Dillo is good because it's a web browser. Period. It is not a file manager or an ftp client
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17:19<ranix>same with pork
17:19<dr|z3d>Dillo is also bad because its support of some of the newer web-based innovations is minimal, at best. #
17:19<ranix>pork is not an msn/yahoo/etc. client
17:19<ranix>that's why it's good
17:19<ranix>great programs do one thing well
17:20<ranix>kitchen sink apps are bloat
17:20<dr|z3d>The web is becoming increasingly a platform in its own right, which demands commensurate tools.
17:20<nutshell42>konqueror isn't bloat. it's just a container that can launch lots of nice small kparts
17:21<ranix>I can't disagree enough
17:21<dr|z3d>In the scheme of things, a default install of Firefox isn't bloat, either.
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17:21<nutshell42>the problem is that the khtml and kjs parts haven't kept up with other browsers and I miss session management
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17:21<ranix>the design philosophy is fundamentally flawed similarly between KDE and Firefox
17:21<ranix>in my opinion
17:21<ranix>not everything has to be its own operating platform
17:22<dr|z3d>Sure, it *could* be more streamlined, but compared with other browsers offering similar functionality, its got a reasonable footprint.
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17:22<nutshell42>dr|z3d: especially since they fixed the a-feature-not-a-bug memory management =P
17:22<nutshell42>god how I hated them for that
17:22<dr|z3d>nutshell42: Sure, it does take the devs a while to address some issues :/
17:23<nutshell42>but firefox for windows nowadays doesn't use more ram than opera which is good
17:23<ranix>what good is your ram if you're not using it
17:23<nutshell42>dr|z3d: it's not just about how it took them years, it's about how they didn't acknowledge the issue
17:23<ranix>they weren't entirely mistaken
17:23<nutshell42>ranix: I thought you were mr anti-bloat
17:23<nutshell42>and they were mistaken
17:23<dr|z3d>nutshell42: I'm agreeing with you, broadly. They're an awkward bunch at times.
17:23<nutshell42>firefox didn't use the memory
17:24<nutshell42>it just occupied it and refused to withdraw
17:24<ranix>I'm not familiar with the issue
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17:24<ranix>I was under the assumption that they had a purpose of allocating ram
17:24<ranix>s/of/for
17:25<nutshell42>dr|z3d: yeah, i hate that attitude. That's where GNOME lost me. The early 2.x releases. Had they just come out and said "sorry guys, feature's are gonna take a while, we just had a rewrite and code doesn't write itself" I wouldn't have had a problem with it
17:25<dr|z3d>ranix: In Fx3 they introduced jemalloc functionality to recover lost ram and better address memory leaks.
17:26<ranix>I'm not familiar with large projects, but I find it difficult to fathom how you could have an unsolveable memory leak
17:26<nutshell42>similarily kde 4.0 was crap, 4.1 barely usable, but imho the devs handled the whole issue better. They came out and said "we have to release at some time if we don't want to turn into e17" =P
17:26<nutshell42>ranix: afaik the problem was that firefox wouldn't "defrag" its allocated memory
17:26<ranix>what?
17:27<nutshell42>so every time it had to render a page that didn't fit into holes in its current memory
17:27<nutshell42>it would just request more from the system
17:27<ranix>you sound like you're not familiar with the concept of heap vs stack
17:27<nutshell42>that way it consumed more and more as time went by
17:27<ranix>there is no "claimed but unused memory"
17:28<ranix>there is only "heap" and "stack"
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17:28<ranix>when you malloc 16k the OS is in charge of giving you a concurrent 16k block
17:28<ranix>and when you free it the OS is in charge of reclaiming it
17:29<ranix>you never decide you want foo K of ram
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17:29<ranix>and specify where it comes from
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17:29<nutshell42>yeah, but if you don't free it because your algorithm of freeing it is fscked up, you can call it "firefox 1.5"
17:29<nutshell42>i didn't look into the issue, because frankly i don't care
17:29<ranix>that's a textbook memory leak and while it's not trivial to solve it's by no means impossible
17:30<nutshell42>i just know that some guy on some page explained it that way and it was more or less consistent with firefox behaviour
17:30<ranix>and there are even ways of tracking when you have an allocated block of memory owned by your program that has no pointers to a member on the stack
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17:31<ranix>something that "finds memory leaks" would be more like a JVM garbage collector than anything else
17:31<ranix>they probably just fixed the memory leaks
17:31<dr|z3d>No, they implemeted jemalloc.
17:31<dr|z3d>http://blog.pavlov.net/2008/02/05/jemalloc-now-on-the-trunk/
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17:34<dan_>Anyone used Trisquel?
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17:36<ranix>browsing the source of jemalloc.c I can confidently say I don't understand it
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17:37<ranix>it looks like they use threading extensively and thus have a reduced stack size per thread, so they have to use malloc extensively
17:37<ranix>which could be a problem if they constantly have many threads
17:38<ranix>and they're all doing similar things
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17:40<enouf>ranix: i like your style, (thoughts about bloat)
17:40<asserp>hello
17:41<ranix>enouf: I like you too
17:41<enouf>links2 as well is like dillo, it does one thing real well, and real fast
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17:42<asserp>i am a newbie what should i do?
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17:43<ranix>asserp: get the etchnhalf net install and install base with no extra packages
17:43<ranix>asserp: then, apt-get install the things you want
17:44<ranix>asserp: like xorg and xfce
17:44<ranix>asserp: also, learn how to use SSH to access your box remotely
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17:44<ranix>asserp: then set your linux machine up as a torrent collector and pirate things from other countries
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17:45<asserp>nice!
17:45<ranix>asserp: then, cram all your old parts into your machine using your frankenstein skills to produce a raid 0 monster
17:45<ranix>asserp: and reinstall again
17:45<ranix>asserp: then you will have competency
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17:45<asserp>okay
17:45<ranix>and you can begin creating a network of Linux machines at work, at friends' houses, etc
17:46<asserp>this is my first time here in linux irc
17:46<ranix>and begin using Putty or ssh to bypass IRC bans
17:46<ranix>eventually, you will develop Skynet
17:46<ranix>and robots from the future will come to assassinate you
17:46<asserp>thank you!
17:46<dan_>Just installed Trisquel based on Ubuntu it's nice
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17:48<stuckey>ranix: Wouldn't that be self-defeating on the part of the future-robot? Since he's the creator of Skynet (i.e., the creator of the robot), wouldn't going back in time to kill him render the robots existence in the future logically impossible?
17:49<asserp>i would like to know
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17:49<stuckey>asserp: It would. So don't worry if any future-robots knock on your door, they don't mean you any harm.
17:49<asserp>this machine has only 9 processors an i can use only two?
17:51<dr|z3d>asserp: You're running on a PS3?
17:51<asserp>yes
17:51<asserp>2.8.29-rc2
17:51<asserp>because it can handle af9015
17:52<asserp>dvb
17:52<dr|z3d>You should be able to use all the cores except those reserved for graphics. In theory, at least.
17:52<asserp>what i have read 8n of them
17:52<nutshell42>asserp: yep, the rsx is off-limits (so ppl don't write games for the ps3 without paying sony)
17:53<nutshell42>and of the 7 spe's of the cell, one is reserved for the ps3's own os iirc
17:53<nutshell42>so that leaves you with the ppc core and 6 spe's
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17:54<nutshell42>unfortunately unless I'm mistaken there's still no media player that can use an spe for decoding which would make the ps3 one kick-ass media center
17:54<nutshell42>instead everything gets done on the barebones ppc core which just doesn't cut it
17:55<ranix>DRM strikes again
17:55<asserp>what is spe?
17:56<ranix>GPLv4 should say something about crippling your hardware when using it for OSS
17:56<nutshell42>synergistic processing element
17:56<ranix>IMO it's tivoism
17:56<dr|z3d>Aka the graphics subsystem, the spe, no?
17:56<nutshell42>no
17:56<nutshell42>vector units
17:56<dr|z3d>I forget offhand, remind me.. ah. Right.
17:57<nutshell42>no logic, no µops, out-of-order or anything else
17:57<nutshell42>you just put some vectorized code in the 256kb cache and then stream the data
17:57<nutshell42>extremely fast
17:57<nutshell42>ranix: got nothing to do with drm, it's just a pita to program for those things
17:57<nutshell42>and noone wants to do it
17:58<nutshell42>iirc sony once had a demo of one cell decoding 40 or something hd video streams at the same time
17:58<nutshell42>so the power is there
17:58<nutshell42>but as i said, those things have none of the neat little tricks your average cpu accumulated over the last 20 years
17:59<ranix>nutshell42: IIRC, the system cuts off access to the other processor cores besides the PPC if not run in whatever special mode it goes into when a game is inserted
17:59<nutshell42>so you need either an extremely good compiler, or a lot of time
17:59<ranix>similarly to how the Wii blocks access to Wii functions when running a gamecube game
17:59<nutshell42>ranix: afaik the only limitation is that you have no access to the graphics hardware
17:59<nutshell42>just a framebuffer that you can write into
17:59<ranix>that could be it
18:00<ranix>I am probably just repeating hearsay and conjecture
18:00<nutshell42>but as mentioned above the cell is mostly fair game with the exception of the 1 spe reserved for the ps3 os
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18:00<nutshell42>it's not ideal
18:00<nutshell42>and you're right it definitely is a form of drm
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18:01<nutshell42>but it would have more than enough power for 1080p h264 and 5.1 aac
18:01<ranix>I guess they were eating hardware cost to sell the things for quite some time
18:01<nutshell42>it's just too difficult to program for
18:01<nutshell42>which is basically sony's problem anyway
18:01<nutshell42>the ps3 is is one major fsck-up
18:01<ranix>so it would be a hit to the wallet if everyone was buying PS3s as computers and ignoring BluRay and games
18:01<nutshell42>or if you like sony, it's ahead of its time
18:01<ranix>so was the Saturn
18:01<nutshell42>larrabee is similar I think
18:02<ranix>happens once in awhile with hardware
18:02<ranix>hard to predict it. Marketing doesn't work well against nerds
18:02<asserp>i like sony more than microsoft!
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18:02<ranix>you oughtn't
18:02<asserp>am i wrong?
18:02<dr|z3d>Sony won the highdef war with the PS3.
18:02<nutshell42>so a few years down the road ppl would be used to playstation's way of doing things and tools would be better
18:02<ranix>nobody won the highdef war
18:02<nutshell42>yep, and it is the most open of the 3 consoles
18:02<ranix>I don't know a single person who owns a bluray player
18:02<ranix>do you?
18:03<nutshell42>17 million ps3s and counting =P
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18:03<ranix>they would have sold 17 million even if they were selling boxes of magic beans
18:03<ranix>as long as Walmart gave them end cap space
18:03<asserp>so, i am not using windows today
18:03<nutshell42>I have one, it is a great machine. among other things it doesn't sound like a 747's using your living room as a runway, unlike the 360
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18:04<ranix>I'll give you that, one guy I work with had to RMA his xbox twice
18:04<ranix>the hardware is suspect
18:04<nutshell42>yep, otoh the ps2 had problems with its dvd-drive
18:04<ranix>the original Xbox though, that was a sweet piece of hardware
18:04<nutshell42>and it didn't stop it
18:04<ranix>still is
18:04<dr|z3d>They've acknowledged as much with the 360. Rushed to market.
18:04<nutshell42>quality means nothing. being cheap and having games is everything
18:04<ranix>well
18:05<ranix>wii isn't winning any wars
18:05<ranix>it's just making a lot of money
18:05<nutshell42>and the original xbox was great. the only console visible from space with the naked eye =P
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18:05<ranix>you know those breaks in the controller cords?
18:05<nutshell42>(i know, i know, ps3 and 360 aren't any smaller, but the xbox's design was kinda clunky =)
18:05<ranix>that was a result of an engineering risk management review that was afraid that if you yanked on the cord, the xbox could fall and injure pets and children
18:06<ranix>that's why the cord separates at the base
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18:06<nutshell42>ranix: yeah, i just hope the wii goes down the drain. because a) nintendo is more fascist than ms+sony if given free reign, and b) i don't like all the casual crap for the wii
18:06<ranix>nutshell42: I have a wii
18:07<ranix>I installed a modchip in it
18:07<ranix>I haven't played it since spring 08
18:07<ranix>I have 50 dual layer dvds right here
18:07<ranix>with no games worth downloading
18:07<ranix>I guess that's one way of preventing piracy
18:07<nutshell42>from what i know you're not the only one who says that
18:07<ranix>Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn was good
18:08<ranix>so was Cooking Mama
18:08<ranix>and that's where my interest ended
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18:08<ranix>but man if that thing had more support for OSS
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18:08<ranix>I would use it every day
18:08<ranix>imagine that?
18:08<nutshell42>well, i love pc games. I'm mostly playing strategy games, so consoles aren't my thing anyway (valkyria chronicles is good, great presentation, but empire total war is gonna leave it in the dust =)
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18:09<ranix>oh yeah, I downloaded Medieval 2
18:09<ranix>that's why my hard drive is full
18:09<nutshell42>oh yeah
18:09<ranix>was that any good?
18:09<ranix>I should get to testing that out
18:09<nutshell42>10 gigs install, i thought they were crazy
18:09<ranix>worth it?
18:09<nutshell42>it's potentially great, but it needs mods
18:09<nutshell42>the ai is ridiculous
18:09<ranix>ah
18:09<ranix>I loved Rome
18:10<Gun_Smoke>total war?
18:10<nutshell42>well, it isn't any worse than rome
18:10<ranix>yeah
18:10<nutshell42>yep
18:10<ranix>I tried to buy Rise of Nations recently
18:10<ranix>and I can't@
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18:10<ranix>!
18:10<Gun_Smoke>That was cool.. My cousin had it..
18:10<nutshell42>I'm very hopeful, because for etw they mentioned the improved ai from the beginning
18:10<ranix>you can't get a new copy anymore and there is NO digital download to buy
18:10<ranix>anywhere
18:10<ranix>WTF
18:10<ranix>they would have had my $40
18:10<nutshell42>so i think - fingers crossed - that they finally did something about it
18:10<nutshell42>rise of nations was good
18:11<ranix>still is imo
18:11<nutshell42>not great, but good
18:11<ranix>it's surprising because it's consistently good
18:11<nutshell42>and it was different from your run of the mill rts thats always a good thing
18:11<ranix>consistently above average since 2002
18:11<nutshell42>did you play ground control?
18:11<ranix>no
18:11<nutshell42>if not you should try it, you can d/l it for free
18:11<nutshell42>(just google for it, or wikipedia)
18:11<ranix>already there
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18:11<nutshell42>it's the predecessor of world in conflict
18:12<nutshell42>but world in conflict sucked
18:12<nutshell42>your "army" just got too small (in the multiplayer beta it was perhaps 4 or 5 tanks, if that)
18:12<ranix>bookmarked for later inspection
18:13<nutshell42>and there was no tactics left, it made no difference whether you attacked enemy tanks from the front or the back
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18:13<ranix>buddy tried to get me to test out Company of Heroes but he was bored by the time I finished installing it
18:13<ranix>so it's taking up space
18:13<asserp>maybe i'm in wrong area.....
18:13<nutshell42>I didn't like it
18:13<nutshell42>I loved dow
18:13<ranix>not I
18:13<ranix>tried it, didn't like it
18:14<nutshell42>hmm, reminds, I gotta d/l the dow2 beta
18:14<ranix>asserp: remember, Linux makes having a fileserver awesome
18:14<nutshell42>and homeworld 1&2 are some of the greatest games ever made
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18:14<ranix>if anything, it makes using Windows even more of an option than ditching Windows
18:14<ranix>when you get 50 viruses, just nuke your windows computer. Nothing of value lost
18:14<nutshell42>I never had a windows virus
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18:15<ranix>bullshit
18:15<enouf>!nuke windows
18:15*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at windows
18:15<ranix>you just didn't know you had it
18:15<nutshell42>behind a linux router/firewall
18:15<ranix>I wind up with a virus every six months
18:15<nutshell42>virus scanner + common sense
18:15<ranix>descpite clamscan and common sense
18:15<ranix>despite
18:15<nutshell42>and perhaps less warez =P
18:15<ranix>or, I should say, I wind up with a virus or strange built-in Windows behaviour indistinguishable from a virus
18:15<EmleyMoor>I got a nasty one on my work laptop despite all the precautions
18:16<enouf>no virus perhaps, but surely your box was part of a spamming botnet :-P
18:16<ranix>oh of course
18:16<ranix>although my ISP blocks port 25 out
18:16<EmleyMoor>(or should I say my laptop in its work persona)
18:16<nutshell42>oh, and hijack this as well as some watchdog prog I can't remember
18:16<ranix>which I am thankful for every day I check my mail
18:17<nutshell42>and no emails on windows, everything on linux
18:17<ranix>I can't be bothered with hijackthis
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18:17<ranix>I just yank the drive and DD a Windows image to it
18:17<ranix>then put it back
18:17<ranix>takes 20 minutes
18:17<nutshell42>as well as a very paranoid attitude to js and other browser plugins
18:17<ranix>I can't wait to get an i7
18:17<asserp>well i started with gentoo and with those use flags i dont know how many holes i have in that......
18:17<ranix>did you see the Xen PCI passthrough in the Etch hypervisor?
18:18<asserp>me?
18:18<ranix>you can give your virtual machine direct hardware ownership of PCI and USB ports
18:18<ranix>any of you
18:18<ranix>you can have two video cards and two keyboards and two mice
18:18<ranix>directly hardware owned by the VM
18:18<asserp>?
18:18<ranix>I can't wait, my new box will replace my two current machines and drop my energy bill a ton
18:19<bjern>hello people, I'm having a problem figuring out how to raise my timer frequency to 1000, I went into /boot/config-2.6.18-6-486 and located what I hope is correct and changed from 250 to 1000, is there anything else I have to do? :-) Thanks for all answers
18:19<enouf>bjern: er ...
18:19<enouf>bjern: what CPU do you have?
18:19<EmleyMoor>Is there an amd64 Linux distro that a Debian person (like me) would find a good example of "How not to do it"?
18:19<bjern>AMD 64 3000+ boyaaah
18:19<bjern>but without the boyaah ofcourse
18:20<enouf>bjern: /msg dpkg kernel-package
18:20<enouf>bjern: grab a -686 kernel atleast
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18:20<abrotman>recompile?
18:20<ranix>bjern: probably want to shy clear of 64 bit kernels though
18:21<bjern>shy as in stay away from them?
18:21<ranix>unless you have 4+ gigs of rams
18:21<bjern>no, not that fortunate, only 2gb
18:22<enouf>bjern: so, upgrade your kernel, then cp that config into where you gzipped your debian source, then mv config-xxx-686 .config ; make oldconfig ; make menuconfig (alter your HZ) ; make-kpkg ... ; more here http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
18:22<petern>avoid 64 bit kernels? crazy advice
18:22<asserp>so, anybody knows how to activate my 4-6 other processors of my ps3 system?
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18:23<enouf>you need pkgs, build-essential fakeroot devscripts libncurses5-dev
18:24<enouf>bjern: /msg dpkg make-kpkg (and see the other <factoids> it mentions)
18:24<bjern>okay, I'll get into the how to :-)
18:24<bjern>Okay, thanks a lot for the help enouf
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18:43<pingouin>hello
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18:46<pingouin>how can i stop a module be loaded at boot time ? i've use the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but...it doesnt work
18:46<abrotman>!tell pingouin about blacklist-initramfs
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18:47<pingouin>at boot time or when i plug the device that use this module - it's an usb/wifi adapter, the kernel load the mac80211, but i use the old ieee80211 with rtl8187 driver
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18:48<pingouin>thanks abrotman
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18:56<Chrono>anyone know where to report an error of Debian Lenny?
18:56<wired>Could someone help me with java failed dependencies? I am on Debian Etch. http://debian.pastebin.com/m645ba57a
18:58<abrotman>!tell Chrono about reportbug
18:58<themill>wired: why not install java using the debian packages? (And why use an rpm on a debian system?)
18:58<abrotman>!tell Chrono about bts
18:58<themill>dpkg: tell Chrono about reportbug
18:59<wired>What package should i use? I have tryed a package but it wont load some java on some websites.
19:00<themill>wired: add backports.org to your sources.list (/msg dpkg bpo) and then install the sun-java6-plugin package.
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19:00<wired>cool thanks dude
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19:01<pingouin>someone use an asus P5Q with debian ?
19:01<pingouin>motherboard
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19:02<Chrono>Need help: I have installed a wireless lan card. i can ¨see¨ the network name. if i try to conect it cant aquire IP adress.
19:02<abrotman>pingouin: ask a real question
19:03<Chrono>if it has password, i type it normally. the problem is its cant aquire ip;
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19:03<carlos>
19:03<pingouin>someone have success installing debian Lenny on a Asus P5Q motherboard , does everything work 'out of the box' with the vanilla kernel of Lenny ?
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19:04<wired>themill: I have just got a gpg error with backports. what should i do?
19:04<pingouin>especialy the sata controler
19:04<themill>wired: keep reading the instructions
19:04<abrotman>pingouin: stop making us guess
19:04<abrotman>pingouin: did you try RC2 ?
19:05<pingouin>abrotman: i'm not sure about that...
19:05<Phoenix_the_II># mii-tool --force=1000baseT eth1
19:05<Phoenix_the_II>eth1: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok
19:05<Phoenix_the_II>anyone knows how to disable to flow-control? :o
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19:07<wired>thanks themill
19:07<wired>Iv never used backports
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19:08<pingouin>abrotman: after watching http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ i can awser : no, i just have the old rc1 netinstall, the rc2 just out today ;) thanks for the clue ;)
19:09<abrotman>watching ?
19:09<pingouin>reading
19:10<pingouin>sorry, my english is awful i know :/
19:10<pingouin>thus i could have wrote washing instead :)
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19:11<pingouin>what is the kernel number in this rc2 lenny ?
19:12<wired>thanks themill
19:12<themill>no worries
19:13<Chrono>can anyone help?
19:13<Chrono>Need help: I have installed a wireless lan card. i can ¨see¨ the network name. if i try to conect it cant aquire IP adress.
19:13<pingouin>Chrono: how do you connect ?
19:14<Chrono>i am testing my wifi card
19:14<engywuck>to "see" the network the password doesn't need to be correct....
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19:14<dr|z3d>Chrono: Is the host running DHCP and is your client?
19:14<Chrono>i made an ad-hoc for another notebook with Windows XP
19:14<Chrono>im using Debian
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19:15<Chrono>after installing madwifi, i can See the ad-hoc created, but when i try conect , i cant aquire an ip adresss
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19:16<wired>themill: Is it possible to see what packages are in the backports repos?
19:16<Chrono>password is not the problem..
19:16<Chrono>i set the password
19:17<Chrono>with or without password, the problem is the same
19:17<themill>wired: aptitude search ~OBackports.org
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19:17<Chrono>cant aquire ip Adress
19:17<wired>thanks
19:18<themill>wired: but you don't want all of them and would be a bad idea to just install everything. If you are want something specific then look for it; if you want lots of really new stuff then consider upgrading to lenny, now that it's looking pretty good. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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19:21<wired>lenny is very up to date now hey?
19:22<wired>when do they expect 5.0?
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19:24<themill>!lenny status
19:24<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html, or <lenny release notes>
19:24<wired>is it possible to upgrade to lenny without loosing my current info on etch?
19:24<ranix>dpkg, tell wired -about dist-upgrade
19:24<themill>wired: your documents that are stored in your home directory should be safe (but you are well advised to make a backup!)
19:25*themill wonders how that factoid was relevant
19:25<Chrono>hey, can anyone help me with the ¨Aquiring IP¨ problem?
19:25<wired>lol
19:26<wired>so if i got a lenny iso and burned it. i have the option to have my info stored still?
19:26<ranix>sorry, I should have sent why not dist-upgrade
19:26<wired>also, could you recommend any backup packages?
19:26<ranix>wired: no... dist-upgrade
19:26<wired>is there a link i can read about distro upgrade?
19:26<ranix>the factoid is now posthumously relevent
19:27<themill>"why not dist-upgrade" still isn't really that relevant to discussing etch->lenny
19:27<ranix>it is when he's talking about burning CDs in order to perform the upgrade
19:27<ranix>and asking if it will erase information
19:27<themill>wired: you should read the relevant part of the upgrade notes. /msg dpkg lenny release notes
19:28<wired>will it tell me how to upgrade properly?
19:28<themill>wired: yes.
19:29<wired>ok thanks
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19:29<Chrono>hey, can anyone help me with the ¨Aquiring IP¨ problem?
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19:34<Kdas>hello all
19:34<Kdas>abrotman, you in ?
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19:35<abrotman>hi
19:35<Kdas>i have discovered thanks to friends APs and time that i seem to lost the internet connection on a wep/no wep wireless AP and i have to do a iwconfig ap any everytime to get next 9 packets. any idea?
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19:35<Kdas>abrotman, i realized its not just me.. sorta of
19:36<abrotman>card?
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19:37<Kdas>abrotman, rtl8187L
19:37<Kdas>its a generic dongle
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19:39<abrotman>i don't think that has firmware .. what is your kernel?
19:40<Kdas>2.6.28
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19:40<Kdas>i have another system with 2.6.26 kernel and same problem
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19:47<Kdas_>abrotman, did you say anything after you asked my kernel?
19:48<pingouin>i've disconnected and miss your question Kdas_ , can you say it again, please
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19:49<Kdas_>pingouin, sure, the problem is that i am losing my internet connection on more then one test wireless APs after like 6-9 ping/data packets
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19:49<milad>Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo every one !!!
19:50<asserp>many brick walls?
19:50<asserp>metal in the way?
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19:51<asserp>microwave oven "in the line of the sight"
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19:52<bjern_>hello again! I've recently reinstalled debian, for amd64
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19:52<bjern_>Problem now is I'm trying to find the latest kernel for amd64, I might be blind, but I can't find it at kernel.org
19:52<Kdas_>pingouin, any ideas?
19:53<bjern_>Can I use the latest anyway for my amd64 or won't that work? :-)
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19:54<pingouin>Kdas_: sorry, no, i thought we use the same driver for usb/wifi dongle but mine is rtl8187 not L
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19:54<asserp>Kdas_: i had same kind of problems with two brick walls between
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19:54<Kdas_>pingouin, hahah rtl8187 module/driver is 8187L and others
19:55<Kdas_>asserp, well i don't have any brick walls
19:55<Kdas_>pingouin, are you having same problem with your device? what is your device name?
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19:56<pingouin>Kdas_: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter it's an alpha one
19:56<pingouin>and it seem i'm disconnected also :/
19:56<bjern_>is it possible for me to download the latest stable kernel and use that on my amd64? Will it automaticly "sens" it's 64bit or do I need a speciall kernel to handle my cpu?
19:57<pingouin>but i got trouble with the new stack mac wireless and the old ieexxx
19:57<Kdas_>pingouin, yea same chipset its rtl8187L
19:57<pingouin>i just cant blacklist the macxxx from boot
19:57<pingouin>i guess this is making the mess
19:57<Kdas_>pingouin, so we both having same problems? or did you get yours to work ?
19:57<pingouin>do you also have both loaded ?
19:58<Kdas_>i dont think so..
19:58<pingouin>i'm in here with you, so it's work, but i get disconnected as you've just seen, but maybe it's the neighbor wifi that is crappy ;)
20:00<Kdas_>pingouin, no i think it had to do with out drivers
20:00<Kdas_>pingouin, how often you get disconecte?
20:00<Kdas_>what kernel you using?
20:00<Kdas_>be back in 10
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20:01<pingouin>Kdas_: i dont know how often, and i use an alfa AWUS036H, my kernel is : Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686
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20:01<pingouin>i never had this trouble with Etch - i know run Lenny
20:02<pingouin>kop: i got also this in /var/log/message : ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready then ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready
20:04<pingouin>sorry, kop, it was for Kdas
20:04<pingouin>that is now away
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20:48<engywuck>i habve a strange question... :p
20:49<engywuck>I've got two directories with (mostly) the same files, but sometimes different file names
20:49<engywuck>and want to "mix" them so a) the same files aren't doubled and b) it's securely copied
20:49<engywuck>anyone know a way to do so?
20:50<engywuck>(except "just copy all, then manually fdupes -- there are some ten thousand duplicate files...)
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20:50<engywuck>or has someone an idea how to express my wish so google finds the answer
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20:51<dmoerner>engywuck: use rsync -avz over ssh?
20:51<oipunx> anyone know how to record a workspace while working on another? xvidcap doesnt support it
20:52<engywuck>rsync doesn't detect renamed files, unfortunately
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20:52<engywuck>or do I have missed that feature?
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20:54<dmoerner>oh, sorry i misunderstood your problem
20:54<dmoerner>i don't think there is an automatic way to do that
20:54<engywuck>so like rsync but with added fdupes :)
20:54<abrotman>renamed ?
20:54<dmoerner>how do you know which file of two dupes to keep?
20:54<engywuck>damn
20:55<abrotman>engywuck: are they named the same now ?
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20:55<engywuck>the problem is that some files happened to go through some strange conversion - once umlauts äöü were changed to ae oe ue, sometimes uppercase/lowercase was changed etc
20:55<engywuck>so it wouldn't be that of a problem if the "wrong" file would be overwritten :)
20:55<abrotman>so the filenames are different .. are the contents the same ?
20:55<engywuck>should be
20:56<engywuck>md5sums should be the same, too
20:56<engywuck>or better said: are the same
20:56<abrotman>so do the md5sums ... if they match don't copy the file ?
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20:56<engywuck>hmmm, so I do md5sums and some sort of "reverse uniq"?
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21:03<engywuck>so I do two md5sums, then do "uniq --check-chars=32" and use vim to change the output to some "copy" script
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21:09<cesurasean>anyone have a clue why the images aren't showing up on my bugzilla install? http://seanbrady.us/cgi-bin/Clients/index.cgi
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21:12<Steven_M>hi all
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21:13<engywuck>still working on bugzilla?
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21:13<cesurasean>yes
21:13<cesurasean>I finally got it up and running, but the images aren't showing up.
21:13<cesurasean>not getting any errors in the logs either.
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21:16<cesurasean>engy you got any clue why it won't show up the images?
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21:16<engywuck>sorry, no
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21:17<engywuck>are the images in the html page your browser wants to show you?
21:17<abrotman>check the error logs
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21:17<Bug-Hibernate>hello
21:18<cesurasean>there is nothing in the error logs
21:18<cesurasean>I can't access the .css files from a web browser though
21:18<cesurasean>I suppose that's the reason it won't show up
21:21<Bug-Hibernate>I am here to report a bug: Until 7 days ago my hibernate was OK, after couple dist-upgrades, it stops working after wake up and loads X. It simple stops working, ctrl+alt+backspace just not works.
21:21<Bug-Hibernate>Im using Lenny
21:21<cesurasean>file the bug at debian.org
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21:24<engywuck>hmmm, seems rsync in lenny knows a "fuzzy" flag, but I don't know if that's sufficient
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21:24<moto_>hello everyone
21:24<engywuck>!dpkg tell Bug-Hibernate about reportbug
21:25<engywuck>hi moto
21:25<moto_>i want to make a debian source package for software i've written, is there any sort of step-by-step guide? i've only casually used debian and everything i've googled is a little cryptic
21:27<engywuck>well, making package files is *always* cryptic (try microsofts packages for distribution with active directory...)
21:27<engywuck>isn't there anything in the wiki?
21:28<engywuck>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackagingHandbook
21:28<moto_>(http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html) stuff about creating a filesystem etc... basically i've got the typical .tar.gz lol
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21:29<moto_>reading that now engywuck
21:29<engywuck>seems it's only for binary packages, though
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21:30<engywuck>and seems to be unfinished...
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21:31<moto_>yeah looks like a draft
21:32<engywuck>http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide
21:33<moto_>aha
21:33<moto_>http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ap-pkg-eg.en.html#s-pkg-simple this is perfect
21:33<moto_>thanks!
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21:35<engywuck>yw
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21:37<moto_>i'm guessing the result would work with ubuntu as well, right?
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21:38<engywuck>you can try :)
21:41<Steven_M>Do you think it's realistic to expect Lenny to be released before the end of the month?
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21:42<engywuck>well, let's say it's more realistic than a final HURD oder Duke Nukem Forever coming out ^^
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21:43<engywuck>estimating from the number of updates my lenny systems got the last week I'd say yes
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21:48<moto_>would a livecd have dh-make?
21:51<Steven_M>engywuck: one of Debian DVD vendors in my country esimates the 14 of feb. Likey?
21:52<engywuck>sorry, but I don't know
21:52<engywuck>could be for all that I've heard, but it will not be released until it's done, so....
21:52<engywuck>the last big show-stopper was something in debian-installer, if I'm informed correctly
21:53<Steven_M>engywuck: that's ok :)
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21:55<Steven_M>engywuck: by debian-installer, do you mean apt-get?
21:55<engywuck>no, the program that installs debian on a new box :)
21:56<Steven_M>ok :)
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21:59<Steven_M>engywuck: thanks for the info, have a good day :)
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22:07<lkdhlfsh>so, i have mu usb flash drive plugged into my laptop but i cant mount it
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22:09<feron_>@locator hentai
22:09<lkdhlfsh>'mount /dev/sda1 /home/knoppix/myusb' returns an error about it not being a valid block device. it's formatted fat32 i think. it's only 512 MBs any ideas?
22:09<lkdhlfsh>@get_out
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22:10<lkdhlfsh>feron_: this is a debian discussion channel. i suggest you take your search to another network. you wont find anything here.
22:10<mattaway>how can I recompile gsl so that it is optimized for my platform?
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22:11<dondelelcaro>mattaway: there's almost never any point in doing that
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22:11<wxl>how to put two different ext3 partitions together without date damage?
22:12<wxl>i need somebody to help!
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22:12<dondelelcaro>wxl: put them together in what way?
22:12<engywuck>lkdhlfsh perhaps it's formatted as super-floppy (without MBR)?
22:12<engywuck>try to mount /dev/sda (without the 1) or fdisk -l /dev/sda
22:12<mattaway>dondelelcaro, and...
22:13<wxl>now i have a 10G ext3 partition and an other 4G ext3 ,i want to put 4G into 10G ext3
22:13<mattaway>i'm running a large numerical simulation, where if it was compiled for a core2 system it may be a bit faster
22:13<engywuck>wxl: multiple resize and copy?
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22:13<dondelelcaro>mattaway: well, your first step is to start benchmarking
22:13<engywuck>simplest solution: backup, delete partitions, create new one, restore
22:13<wxl>dondelelcaro:how to do
22:13<dondelelcaro>mattaway: since recompiling for specific processors can also make things slower
22:14<mattaway>how?
22:14<mattaway>sse2 instructions are fast iirc
22:14<wxl>engywuck:?
22:14<dondelelcaro>mattaway: but even before that, you should be looking at optimizing your algorithm and methodology
22:14<mattaway>gsl supplies the algorithm
22:14<mattaway>and they know what they are doing...
22:15<wxl>engywuck:this is a idea,but .....
22:15<dondelelcaro>gsl supplies a bunch of different numerical algorithms; you're not necessarily using the best ones
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22:15<dondelelcaro>(and the algorithms they supply aren't necessarily the best, either)
22:16<engywuck>wxl: I *have* done that with multiple uses of "mount both partitions, copy as mch as possible, umount them, resize the one to be deleted to smallest size possible with parted, expand the other"
22:17<dondelelcaro>but in any event, yes, you can recompile for core2 by recompiling the binary package and passing the correct CFLAGS options or by modifying gsl's debian/rules to do the same
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22:17<engywuck>but I *won't* recommend that, especially not if you don't have backup
22:17<wxl>dondelelcaro:i used the gparted but it wants me to umount all partition even i finish it ,
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22:17<engywuck>you *cannot* resize ext3 while mounted
22:17<dondelelcaro>engywuck: you can, acutally.
22:17<dondelelcaro>wxl: in order to combine two partitions, you almost always have to copy the data to a third partition, combine them, and copy it back
22:17<engywuck>if you are a voodoo priest, perhaps
22:18<dondelelcaro>engywuck: no, it's one of the features of ext3.
22:18<dondelelcaro>(where resize means grow, of course)
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22:18<engywuck>but you have to shrink at least one partition
22:18<dondelelcaro>actually, I think it can shrink online too
22:18<dondelelcaro>I've just never done that
22:18<engywuck>if you don't have enough place on the first one
22:19<engywuck>oh, and you can only expand to bigger sector numbers
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22:19<wxl>dondelelcaro:i once heared thant fdisk can combine two without date damage,is it really?
22:19<wxl>engywuck:thanks
22:19<dondelelcaro>wxl: not without serious magic, no.
22:19<engywuck>and some other problems
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22:19<dondelelcaro>wxl: fdisk only deals with partitions anyway; it knows nothing of filesystems.
22:20<engywuck>easiest way: backup, delet partitions, create new one, restore
22:20<engywuck>especially fpor only 14 gig of data ^^
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22:21<wxl>it seems that i have to do it in the only way
22:21<wxl>thanks all the friends here.bye
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22:22<engywuck>resize2fs *claims* to be able to do so without losing data
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22:22<engywuck>but only if the kernel supports it....
22:23<engywuck>and only expanding while being mounted
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22:38<wired>does anybody know how to get audio drivers to work with kdetv? I have video but no sound.
22:39<superjet_busy>wired: tried tvtime?
22:39<wired>yeah, that messes up on me alot and when i had it working for a short while it still did not play audio.
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22:41<superjet_busy>check app and mixer to make sure it using line in
22:41<wired>line in is up
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22:44<superjet_busy>or it maybe due to kde's sound dameon, just check with simple wm under alsa, like openbox
22:44<wired>now is openbox a package?
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22:45<superjet_busy>no, it's window manager
22:45<wired>i know what window manager is but i dont know what you mean
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22:47<superjet_busy>to make sure it's not due to kde's arts app
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22:47<wired>what do i do
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22:49<wired>i have all sliders up on alsamixer
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22:59<wired>any other suggestions
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23:23<wired>does anybody know of a firewall that will hit back any intruders for debian?
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23:25<schmichael>how do i tell aptitude to use testing by default but also pull package info for unstable (so i can easily go in and choose which version i want)?
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23:29<abrotman>!pinning
23:29<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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23:31<schmichael>abrotman: ah, thanks
23:32<schmichael>abrotman: so i should create /etc/apt/preferences if it doesn't exist?
23:33<abrotman>yes
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23:34<schmichael>abrotman: thanks! i didn't realize it was so easy!
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23:35<wxl>dondelelcaro:i success to combine two ext3 partition,and no dates damage!
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23:35<ranix>I can't build Freetype in msys and it's driving me batshit insane
23:36<usr>hey folks, I updated my unstable box recently and now my keyboard wont work in X. Every keypress I make turns scroll-lock on/off. Any ideas?
23:36<wxl>engywuck:i combine the two partition and no date damges.
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23:39<astronut>i have a xinerama (technically twinview) setup that I had lately been running fine without one of the monitors because it got damaged. I replaced it with another monitor today and found something interesting: when i restarted X with both monitors, my GTK rendered fonts are smaller - some kind of DPI issue I think - any pointer on how to fix this?
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23:51<ramon>olaaa
23:51<ramon>ay alguien por aki?
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23:52<astronut>!es
23:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:53<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
23:54<aaroninfidel>Hello!
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23:55<Supaplex>oh my gosh. a Customer!
23:55<aaroninfidel>:o
23:55<aaroninfidel>anyone care to try and answer a question I have about ubuntu?
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23:56<abrotman>aaroninfidel: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
23:56<aaroninfidel>it could also be a gnome related question
23:56<aaroninfidel>abrotman, yes, but the guys at irc.freenode.net are not nearly as nice as you guys are!
23:56<abrotman>aaroninfidel: we do not support ubuntu here, please respect that
23:56<Supaplex>well it's time to install debian eh?
23:57<aaroninfidel>I guess so :P
23:57<aaroninfidel>I'm also on a macbook pro, and just setting up everything from scratch using debian would be a bit time consuming wouldn't it?
23:57<abrotman>either install debian or go ask the correct channel
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23:58<aaroninfidel>alright abrotman, debian it is.
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