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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-02-03

---Logopened Tue Feb 03 00:00:23 2009
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00:00<kop>twb : /srv is more fhs compliant
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00:02<simonrvn>sure, but debian isn't ;).
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00:03<twb>simonrvn: hehe, /var/www must die!
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00:24<Tucuso>hello everyone
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00:25<Tucuso>could anyone help me with a problem using simple-cdd? people in debian-custom seems to be AFK
00:26<blarson>!tell Tucuso about ask
00:27<dongmei>´ó¼ÒºÃ
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00:27<Tucuso>I have a problem with simple-cdd its seems to start building the cd normally but then crash with this message
00:27<dongmei>ºÇºÇ£¬²»ºÃÒâ˼£¬ÎÒÊDz»ÊÇ´ò½Á´ó¼ÒÎçÐÝÁË
00:29<Tucuso>http://paste.debian.net/27541/
00:30<ameyer>!tell dongmei about cn
00:31<dongmei>sorry i do not sepaker english
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00:44<Tucuso>!tell Tucuso about cn
00:44<Tucuso>?
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00:48<blarson>!tell Tucuso about selftell
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01:05<ravenbird>ROOOOT has landed!
01:06<Supaplex>ravenbird: tell DaemonLee about root
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01:47<youbob12>Hello
01:47<youbob12>Hello
01:48<youbob12>ANY ONE HOME
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01:54<Supaplex>no
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02:19<ravenbird>ROOOOOOT has landed!
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02:20<sundaymorning>I'm running debian lenny and I've found a bug. I reported it and the maintainer asked me if I could try gnome-settings-daemon
02:20<sundaymorning>>
02:20<sundaymorning>ops
02:20<sundaymorning>so he said he couldn't reproduce it with libxklavier and gnome-settings-daemon from experimental.
02:21<sundaymorning>and he asked if I could confirm. Can I somehow just install those two packages from experimental?
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02:33<heffay>im using kde4 and i and display settings has only 50, 51, 52 and 53hz listed when i should be running at least 60hz.
02:33<heffay>how can i fix this?
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02:33<heffay>my nvidia server settings and xorg.conf specify 75hz
02:34<wired>Is themill in here?
02:34<heffay>i think there is a conflict because im getting slight tearing
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02:36<wired>what is the proper java package to get in backports?
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02:37<cheal>wired: /whois themill
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02:37<wired>a user yesterday that told me about backports and the java packages
02:38<cheal>wired: what do you mean by "the proper java package"?
02:38<wired>so it will work with iceweasle
02:38<wired>it worked but i had to reformat
02:38<wired>now it doesnt work
02:38<wired>im not sure what the proper package to get
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02:39<jm_>sun-javaX-plugin is the proper package
02:39<wired>it was something else last time, but ill try that
02:39<jm_>heffay: look inthe logfile to see what monitor capabilities driver has detected
02:40<wired>not a package
02:40<jm_>replace X with the actual number
02:40<wired>ok thanks
02:42<wired>i did -jre but didnt work
02:42<jm_>jre doesn't containt browser plugin symlink
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02:43<heffay>it just says validated mode 1024x768_75+0+0
02:44<wired>i shouldnt have anything else hey?
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02:45<wired>sweet worked.
02:45<wired>thanks
02:45<jm_>np
02:46<heffay>i also cant change my gcc version to 4.1. 4.1 is install and when i CC=/usr/bin/gcc4.1, cc --version keeps telling me 4.3
02:47<jm_>CC=/usr/bla merely sets an environment variable, doesn't change which cc runs
02:47<jm_>the idea is to do CC=foo ./configure or make CC=foo or similar
02:48<heffay>when i try to set that variable to 4.1 to run the nvidia driver install it keeps telling me the gcc version doesnt match
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02:48<jm_>just use m-a, it should work fine
02:49<heffay>m -a?
02:49<jm_>see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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02:52<heffay>what is m -a?
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02:54<jm_>I said m-a, not m -a -- so "man m-a"
02:54<jm_>the wiki page lists the steps to perform to install nvidia driver
02:54<heffay>no entry
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02:55<jm_>then you don't have it installed yet, wiki will tell you what to install
02:55<heffay>i have the driver installed but i did an override on the gcc version
02:55<heffay>i want to build it right if i can
02:56<heffay>i didnt get it from debian repos
02:56<heffay>i got the driver from the nvidia site
02:56<jm_>that's wrong way to do it
02:56<heffay>?
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02:58<heffay>the installed was fine
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02:59<jm_>sure but upgrade will overwrite it
02:59<heffay>for the moment im trying to isolate the gcc version as a variable
03:00<Wilduck>has anyone here successfully run multiple x sessions?
03:00<Wilduck>using different window managers?
03:00<heffay>upgrade? the driver on the nvidia site is the most recent one
03:00<jm_>Wilduck: yes
03:00<Wilduck>awesome
03:00<jm_>no, the debian upgrade will overwrite too
03:00<Wilduck>I'm trying to get stumpwm running in vt8
03:01<Wilduck>to play around with
03:01<Wilduck>I added "exec stumpwm-session"
03:01<Wilduck>to .xsession
03:01<Wilduck>and switched to vt1
03:01<heffay>im not trying to use the debian one. im trying to figure out why when i change the envrionment variable to from gcc-4.3 to 4.1 it doesnt take
03:01<Wilduck>ran startx -- :1
03:01<Wilduck>and it didn't work
03:02<Wilduck>any tips?
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03:03<Wilduck>jm_: have you done anything like this?
03:03<Wilduck>am I going about it correctly?
03:03<Wilduck>incorrectly?
03:03<heffay>brb
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03:03<Wilduck>for reference I'm currently in kde
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03:04<jm_>Wilduck: define didn't work
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03:04<Wilduck>um...
03:05<Wilduck>I switched to vt8 and all that was there was a black screen
03:05<Wilduck>which didn't respond to any key combinations
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03:05<Wilduck>and a blinky cursor thing in the top left corner...
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03:07<Wilduck>jm_: what have you got to work in the past?
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03:07<Wilduck>and how did you do it?
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03:07<jm_>Wilduck: hold on
03:07<Wilduck>ok
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03:09<jm_>Wilduck: so you ran starts from say tty2 and that didn't switch you to a VT where X server was started?
03:09<Wilduck>correct
03:09<Wilduck>the screen went black for a second
03:09<Wilduck>and then popped me back to tty2
03:09<jm_>then it didn't start correctly, check what it says on the screen or look in the logfile
03:10<Wilduck>.xsession-errors?
03:10<jm_>Wilduck: and what's full contents of .xsession file?
03:10<jm_>no, /var/log/Xorg.*.log - where * is different for different displays
03:10<jm_>probably /var/log/Xorg.1.log for your 2nd instance
03:10<Wilduck>ok
03:11<Wilduck>all that .xsession contains is the line "exec stumpwm-session"
03:11<jm_>ok that's fine as long as stumpwm-session can be run, to debug it replace it with something dumb like xclock or xterm
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03:11<jm_>if that works the issue is with stumpwm-session
03:12<Wilduck>ok I'll try that
03:12<jm_>(ctrl-alt-backspace to quit the server)
03:12<Wilduck>ok
03:13<Wilduck>btw there is a LOT in the Xorg.1.log
03:13<jm_>that's the point of it
03:13<Wilduck>I see
03:13<Wilduck>I guess I'm not familiar with it
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03:15<jm_>heh
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03:16<jm_>hopefully that wasn't because he used ctrl-alt-backspace on display :0
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03:26<wgsilkie>I know that there's no set release date, but, given Debian's history, what would be a reasonable expectation for lenny to become "stable"?
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03:27<jm_>wgsilkie: didn't you read the news yesterday?
03:27<jm_>http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1318
03:27<Supaplex>!wir
03:27<dpkg>from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
03:27<Supaplex>:P
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03:31<wgsilkie>Uhh, no... I haven't gotten around to subscribing to the Debian news.
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03:31<wgsilkie>I should've done that right after I installed Debian.
03:32<Supaplex>do it now! ;)
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03:32<wgsilkie>jm_: Thanks
03:32<wgsilkie>Right, subscribing...
03:33<hades__>Hi all i cant configure postfix with sasl whtem im trying to connect from outlook when im typing my login and pass it doesent work maybe i should make some link to the pass data base or something ?
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03:34<hades__>When i do telnet localhost 25 i see auth things and starttls so everything should work properly
03:34<hades__>Another thing i dont know is i should use saslpasswd2 to make pass db ... anonyone could help ?
03:34<hades__>please ?\
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03:36<hades__>anyone could help with postfix ?
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03:37<jm_>hades__: you can use swaks to test smtp auth
03:37<Wilduck>hmmmm
03:37<Wilduck>well that was interesting
03:38<hades__>hm_: swaks ?
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03:38<Wilduck>I got rebooted (hit ctrl-alt-del...)
03:39<Wilduck>then used kdm to start stumpwm
03:39<Wilduck>which worked
03:39<jm_>why ctrl-alt-del?
03:39<hades__>jm_: but there is no database with passwords --> i did something like saslpasswd2 is that correct ?
03:39<Wilduck>ctrl-alt-backspace did nothing when I switched to vt8
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03:39<Wilduck>so I tried that =P
03:39<jm_>well that's only if X server starts
03:39<Wilduck>oh
03:40<Wilduck>anyways
03:40<Wilduck>xclock started from startx just fine
03:40<Wilduck>so it must be a problem with stumpwm...
03:40<jm_>right
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03:41<Wilduck>I think I'm just going to use kdm to play around in stumpwm for now though
03:41<hades__>jm_: everything ok with swaks i mean he didint asked me for password propably because postfix is on local machine ?
03:41<jm_>hades__: it depends on your setup I suppose
03:41<Wilduck>thanks so much for your help jm_
03:42<jm_>Wilduck: np
03:43<wgsilkie>I have really unreliable dial-up connection. What would be the easiest way for me to upgrade to the next release of Debian?
03:44<wgsilkie>I used the use Ubuntu, and there was no easy way for that.
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03:44<jm_>wgsilkie: you can apt-zip
03:44<wgsilkie>Just one of the reasons for me to switch :)
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03:44<hades__>jm_: Ha, I got the problem... 535 5.7.0 Error: authentication failded: generic failture -> AUTH PLAIN
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03:44<jm_>that is to download stuff elsewhere, if you want to use dial-up then apt will work just fine since it can resume etc.
03:45<wgsilkie>jm_: Is that the easiest way? I seem to rember seeing an upgrade CD on ftp.debian.org.
03:45<wgsilkie>or am I mistaken?
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03:46<jm_>wgsilkie: ohh sure, you can download CD-s/DVD-s and upgrade with that (the upgrade CD you are thinking of is probably security upgrades for stable)
03:46<jm_>one can upgrade using regular Debian CD-s
03:46<hades__>jm_: But i dont really know how to handle it...
03:46<jm_>hades__: try googling for that error
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03:51<wgsilkie>jm_: So will I just see a huge number of updates available one day, when I reload the repos index?
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03:59<wgsilkie>jm_: gotta go -- thanks
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04:00<hades__>jm_: I did but ...
04:01<hades__>jm_: This mistake is quite common, well maybe You have got any clue there shoud i look for mistake in config files ?
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04:03<kingsley>Why would a computer on a small private network be added to /etc/hosts.deny about 2.5 minutes after it was removed, and when the computer is basically idling?
04:04<kingsley>By "idling", I mean that someone is logged into the computer, but no one is actively using it when it's denied.
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04:05<jm_>hades__: sorry no, I use exim
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04:07<hades__>jm_: Is it harder to make auth on exim ?
04:07<jm_>hades__: I can't tell really
04:07<jm_>hades__: have you tried #postfix on freenode?
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06:14<benjamin>Hi, I have a file A, i need to have a file A' which is A without the first line (shell), How can I achieve this?
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06:16<berto_>benjamin: tail -n +2 file
06:17<benjamin>berto_, thanks you :)
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06:20<benjamin>what if I also want to skip the last one?
06:21<benjamin>ok I just said nothing
06:21<benjamin>:)
06:21<jm_>sed can do that
06:21<jm_>(both even)
06:22<benjamin>awk too i suppose
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06:46<nm>Hi here
06:47<E0x>hi
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06:50<nm>I'm trying to make working a pptp vpn (my linux computer is the client). After configuring the /etc/ppp/peers/my_vpn and /etc/ppp/chap_secret I don't really understand how to call the configured pptp ...
06:50<nm>I need to type "pptp my_pptp_vpn_name"?
06:51<nm>need I*
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06:58<dr|z3d>I've got a dpkg parse error on a package that's holding up all my updates. Is there any easy method to nuke/disable temporarily the offending package so other updates can install?
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07:00<jm_>doesn't it tell you where the error is?
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07:02<dr|z3d>jm_: It does. "Parse error in file /var/lib/dpkg/available near line..." Is that easy to fix by hand? Never looked at correcting syntax errors here before.
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07:03<gsimmons>!available
07:03<dpkg>run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available"
07:04<dr|z3d>Aha. Thanks, gsimmons, will try that.
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07:09<elsego>buenas mañanas gente
07:11<dr|z3d>gsimmons: Great stuff. Worked fine. Thx.
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07:12<padski>!es
07:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:19<dr|z3d>Ok, here's the next conundrum. "..unable to open /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ps2pdf: No such device or address"
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07:19<dr|z3d>How would I address that one?
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07:20<dr|z3d>It's leaving ghostscript half-installed.
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07:22<dr|z3d>I may have manually deleted a file in alternatives somewhere some time ago to attempt to fix a previous error.. can't remember exactly.
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07:23<chack-1>bonjour
07:23<dr|z3d>!fr
07:23<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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07:39<padski>I am just going through the emacs tutorial on a kde desktop and I have run into an inevtitable clash over CTRL-ALT-v. Any suggestions on what to remap one or the other to ? Any pointers to discussions of this kind of problem in Debian ?
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07:41<padski>this was something I liked on OSX
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07:42<kurumin>oii
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08:17<eljefe>Is there any Free 3D drivers for older nVidia cards? Specifically the MX/MX400 card. Or does this still need the closed nVidia drivers for 3D acceleration?
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08:18<jm_>eljefe: you need nvidia driver for now
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08:19<eljefe>thats what I thought, thanks! Is Neauvou (sp?) meant to help with these older cards? or is that another project? or none at all?
08:21<jm_>which NV chipset is that?
08:21<jm_>ahh they do support NV10
08:21<eljefe>no idea, MX/MX400 is what I know. Where would I find that info?
08:22<jm_>or are planning to anyway ;)
08:22<eljefe>they, the Neuavou project?
08:22<eljefe>ok thanks!!
08:22<gsimmons>!nouveau
08:22<dpkg>Nouveau : Open Source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/, or #nouveau @ irc.freenode.net
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08:22<jm_>yup, nouveau
08:22<eljefe>these ear of Free 3D graphics drivers is slowely approaching; it will be so nice to just install and have it working!
08:22<gsimmons>eljefe: See the "feature matrix". But you won't get 3D, it's very much WIP or TODO.
08:23<eljefe>sure
08:23<eljefe>oops, i meant, "the era of free 3D..."
08:23<jm_>eljefe: until they release new cards and you'll have to wait > 6months to have it working ;)
08:24<eljefe>yep, stinks that. but at least it will eventually again work. plus i don't but that new of hardware and the people that i 'convert' usually don't have that new either
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08:32<nessuno>giorno
08:32<jm_>!it
08:32<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:37<OdyX>Hi. Is the lpia architecture planned in Debian ?
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08:54<leonardo_>Hi all, I installed Google Earth 5 on Debian Lenny 64, but font is very small. Look screenshot: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1898/capturadatela1un9.png
08:55<leonardo_>anyone knows how to fix it?
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08:55<OdyX>is "don't use proprietary software" an acceptable answer for you ?
08:55<leonardo_>hum
08:56<leonardo_>If somone can help
08:56<leonardo_>will be good
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09:00<jm_>is the DPI set properly in X server?
09:00<jm_>maybe it's bad interaction with some theme
09:00<leonardo_>dpi is ok
09:00<leonardo_>or
09:01<leonardo_>how to know dpi is set correctly?
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09:03<leonardo_>jm_: how to set dpi correctly?
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09:04<OdyX>What is the software of choice to handle a private Debian repository / auto-builder ?
09:04<leonardo_>jm_: resolution: 87x89 dots per inch
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09:05<leonardo_>jm_ with this command: xdpyinfo | grep resolution
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09:05<llutz>leonardo_: depending on your desktop-manager /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or kdmrc or gdm.conf
09:05<jm_>leonardo_: that's a bit low value
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09:05<leonardo_>jm_: what is the best value and how to change it?
09:06<llutz>leonardo_: http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
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09:06<leonardo_>will read
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09:08<jm_>leonardo_: you can affect it by setting displaysize option in xorg.conf, but check its log first to see if driver detected it properly already - if it did, there's no point in changing this
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09:09<jm_>it looks like I remembered values < 90 as too low, but they aren't really, yours is close to 90 anyway
09:09<superjet_busy>leonardo_: most dpi is same in both width and height
09:09<leonardo_>jm_ I'm newbie, didn't understand this
09:10<leonardo_>step by step, what i need to do
09:10<jm_>leonardo_: check Xorg.0.log
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09:10<leonardo_>which folder
09:10<leonardo_>?
09:10<jm_>there are no folders in Linux
09:10<leonardo_>directory?
09:10<jm_>!x logfile
09:11<jm_>doh, it's in /var/log
09:11<leonardo_>ok, will see
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09:11<leonardo_>opened the file, and now?
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09:12<jm_>well read it, check if driver reports what it detected via DDC
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09:13<jm_>I'll have to go now, but you have ides what to look for (perhaps check if you're using gtk/qt theme, and if it works without that first)
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09:13<leonardo_>ok bye
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09:33<enouf>font size looks fine to me there
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09:58<christoph>hi all!
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09:58<christoph>after an reboot X seems to run with an english kezboard *should be german(
09:58<christoph>no idea what had happened
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10:05<christoph>is Xorg from experimentel in anyway specially broken?
10:05<petemc>theres a very good chance it is
10:05<petemc>thats why its in experimental, you see
10:06<christoph>petemc, I know but it worked great up to now ;)
10:06<christoph>and it's the only way to get DRI on R500
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10:16<leonardo_>Hi, I installed Google earth 5 on Debian lenny but fonts are very small, look the screen: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1898/capturadatela1un9.png
10:16<leonardo_>xdpyinfo grep dimensions
10:16<leonardo_> dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (300x220 millimeters)
10:17<leonardo_>xdpyinfo grep resolution
10:17<leonardo_> resolution: 87x89 dots per inch
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10:17<leonardo_>any idea what the problem is? just happen with Google Earth
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10:17<leonardo_>I'm newbie, if someone can help with step by step will be good
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10:25<JordiGH>I have a package that tries to find my Java installation by looking for a JAVA_HOME environment variable. Should Debian set up that variable by default or should I tell upstream to find another method?
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10:30<leonardo_>no one for my questions?
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10:36<mrstrano>hi guys, i'm having problems adding the etch backport repository: the server doesn't seem to be available and not even the mirrors.. any idea? thx
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10:39<leonardo_>how to know if my dpi is wrong and how to fix?
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10:41<m_g>hey, i want to start over with a fresh grub install. i ran grub-install /dev/hda but noticed that i don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst anymore.. should i just aptitude purge grub and reinstall it? will that create a new menu.lst?
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10:42<m_g>also, is linux-image-2.6-686 a good package for a standard celeron pc?
10:42<llutz>leonardo_: read http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html and check with your monitor-settings
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10:43<llutz>leonardo_: depending on your desktop-manager, define your "-dpi XX" in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc or /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
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10:43<leonardo_>ok
10:43<leonardo_>will see
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10:51<debam>hi to all, can any one tell me which are those bar code reader are supported by debian os
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10:52<debam>enouf, hi
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10:53<debam>leonardo_, can you please tell me debian supported some of the bar code reader?
10:53<cheal>m_g: yes
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10:55<debam> hi to all, can any one tell me which are those bar code reader are supported by debian os
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10:56<JordiGH>debam: We heard you the first time, don't repeat the question every few minutes. That's annoying.
10:57<dkr>debam: many of them are just simple serial devices, and some others pretend they are a keyboard. those all work with debian
10:57<debam>JohnDoh, sorry
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10:59<debam>dkr, any examples?company name or link ?
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11:00<sd_>Hi guys! Did they remove wine from Etch repository? Here is output of apt-get: http://pastebin.com/m4eca0b55 . Please help me with this issue. Thank you.
11:00<dkr>debam: I don't recall. they just hand me the hardware and I make it work. :) just read the interface specs
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11:08<tghy>My Debian Lenny wont turn off automatically. After shutdonw system i see output message: acpi_power_off called. And nothing happen. I tried to install acpi-support. It doesnt help me
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11:09<gsimmons>!poweroff
11:09<dpkg>If your older system doesn't power off after `shutdown -h now', append "acpi=off apm=power_off" to your kernel's command line. See http://bugs.debian.org/390547 for more information.
11:09<tghy>It doesnt work too
11:09<tghy>i tried
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11:11<sd_>...nobody knows?
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11:12<JordiGH>sd_: I don't think wine was ever in etch.
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11:12<JordiGH>sd_: I remember that in the olden days, people would fetch wine from winhq.org
11:13<JordiGH>sd_: It's in backports, though, so go get it there.
11:13<JordiGH>!next
11:13<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
11:13<sd_>JordiGH: I have it installed on my working machine several weeks ago...
11:13*goodger suggested the above dpkg quote
11:13*goodger is proud of his minor contribution ^_^
11:14<petern>debian wouldn't be debian without that contribution
11:15*JordiGH hopes lenny releases on 1234567890
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11:15<cheal>sd_: no, "they" didn't
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11:15<cheal>!tell JordiGH about info wine
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11:16<cheal>!tell JordiGH about info wine etch
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11:17<JordiGH>cheal: Eh. Best to get the 1.0 from backports anyways.
11:17<sd_>cheal: so why I can't install it? ...All the apt settings are correct.
11:17<sd_>I was trying another repository -- no luck.
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11:19<JordiGH>sd_: apt-cache policy wine says what?
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11:22<cheal>sd_: you probably need to update your package indices
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11:23<hades__>Hi i have a small problem with dovecot in logs i have Login failed: Plaintext authentication disables
11:24<hades__>How i can fix this ?
11:24<sd_>JordiGH: looks you was right.. :) 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 -- It was picked up from backports for my system. Need to add backports to sources.list of another my system. Thank you!....
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11:24<JordiGH>sd_: cheal pointed out to me that there was a 0.9.x wine in etch.
11:25<hades__>propably i did something wrong with ssl
11:26<sd_>JordiGH: I can't find it with "aptitude" , just wine-doc package. ..will add backports rep now.
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11:31<gsimmons>tghy: Did you previously run Etch on your system? Was it able to power off under the 2.6.18 kernel?
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11:44<Lemonzest>quick question, dose debian install a default firewall in gnome? if not whats a good choice
11:45<JordiGH>Firewall?
11:45<petemc>what do you need the firewall to do?
11:45<JordiGH>Linux is your firewall. ;-)
11:45<Lemonzest>just a general firewall, block stuff
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11:45<petemc>block what?
11:45<JordiGH>Block what?
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11:45<JordiGH>If you don't have specific requirements, you don't need a firewall.
11:46<Lemonzest>well currently running mandriva but switching to deb tonight, and mandys firewall is mostly block everything except what i chose to let out
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11:46<Lemonzest>but it is a pain really, so maybe no firewall would be better
11:46<petemc>i find it is, just dont run what you dont need
11:47<Lemonzest>well i run very few services
11:47<petemc>all good then
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11:47<Lemonzest>plus i spose if you have to let a service out the firewall to work, it kinda defeats the use of the firewall (the app can still be hacked if its vunerable)
11:47<petemc>correct
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11:48<Lemonzest>sorry, still got the windows mindset after 4 months of being on mandriva
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11:48<petemc>armadillo firewalls
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11:49<Lemonzest>armadillo's armour is useless!!!
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11:51<ehnvis>Lemonzest: why dont you just write a bunch of iptable rules. its quick and easy no need to run anything else.
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11:53<Lemonzest>any news when sid will get experimental packages? because i'll be wanting to update WINE in lenny
11:53<Lemonzest>or should i just add the experimental repo's and pin wine from there?
11:53<bzed>Lemonzest: when some body uploads them to sid.
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11:53<Lemonzest>ah
11:53<bzed>Lemonzest: usually not before lenny is released.
11:56<JordiGH>Lemonzest: There are vague promises of releasing lenny on 1234567890!
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11:56<Lemonzest>no matter, i'm installing RC2 tonight
11:56<Lemonzest>will be updating everyday anyhow
11:56<JordiGH>Lemonzest: Once the release is done, I am hoping I can get rid of my experimental lines in sources.list
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11:57<Lemonzest>JordiGH: yeah same here
11:58<JordiGH>Experimental has been grossly abused, and I don't even get it. I thought freeze meant "stuff can go in unstable, but we're not moving it down to testing unless it fixes RC bugs", but instead it seems to mean now "all new packages must go in experimental, and you can't upload to unstable unless you're fixing an RC bug."
11:59<Lemonzest>i thought things got uploaded to experimental first, then after a number of days filtered down to sid, then down to testing
11:59<fxiny>yes ? so i'll run sid again
11:59<fxiny>good news
11:59<bzed>JordiGH: unfortunately there're a lot of packages you can't upload to sid as they'd break fixing bugs in testing during the freeze
11:59<bzed>Lemonzest: ^
11:59<JordiGH>Lemonzest: No, experimental is "supposed" to mean "too unstable even for unstable".
11:59<JordiGH>Lemonzest: You're not supposed to use experimental unless you think the software really sucks.
11:59<bzed>JordiGH: no.
11:59<JordiGH>(You=DDs)
11:59<bzed>that's just wrong.
12:00<Lemonzest>so during freeze/frozen status sid is for reviewing testing bugs? and experimental is just a holding area?
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12:00<JordiGH>bzed: That's what the official description of experimental is! WARNING HERE BE DRAGONS etc, but instead right now it just means "it's new, but we couldn't put it in unstable because of the freeze".
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12:01<bzed>Lemonzest: if you want to fix a bug in testing during the freeze, you can eitehr fix it in unstable and ask for an exception, or use testing-proposed-updates.there's no way to test new packages in t-p-u, so they should go trough unstable if possible
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12:01<bzed>Lemonzest: bug if you upload a new lirbary to unstable, you can't migrate packages to testing from there
12:01<bzed>Lemonzest: packages which depend on that library of course
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12:02<kaduk>Anyhelp to run DVD movie on Debian ?
12:02<bzed>experimental is a good place for packages which break unstable
12:02<JordiGH>kaduk: You'll probably need libdvdcss from debian-multimedia.org
12:02<kaduk>I have it
12:03<kaduk>I cant play any DVD
12:03<JordiGH>kaduk: Now you need a media player...
12:03<kaduk>I have it
12:03<kaduk>totem, gmplayer, vlc
12:03<kaduk>all movies work under Windows
12:03<JordiGH>kaduk: And what does VLC say when you try?
12:03<kaduk>cannot read 0 sector ?
12:03<kaduk>DVD is not scrached works on Windows
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12:04<llutz>installed libdvdread?
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12:04<kaduk>yes
12:04<fxiny>mplayer will do
12:04<bzed>JordiGH: although yes, I see your point, I'd prefer to be able to continue to mess in usntable as usual
12:05<JordiGH>bzed: "nstead, it is meant to be a temporary staging area for highly experimental software where there's a good chance that the software could break your system, or software that's just too unstable even for the unstable distribution (but there is a reason to package it nevertheless). Users who download and install packages from experimental are expected to have been duly warned. In short, all bets are off for the experimental distribution. "
12:06<fxiny>it makes sense
12:06<kaduk>JordiGH, can you explain how to install DVD playing capable software?
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12:06<JordiGH>kaduk: You've already exhausted the extent of my knowledge on the matter. I had something like that happen with an older Linux, but it got magically fixed later.
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12:08<blarson>I use xine to play dvds. Try the easy case first, with an unencrypted dvd. (porn dvds are unencrypted.)
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12:09<JordiGH>Porn saves the day again1
12:09<JordiGH>!
12:09<kaduk>blarson, this is hannibal
12:09<fxiny>kaduk: try : mplayer dvd://1 -fs -zoom -af volume=10 -dvd-device /dev/hdc
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12:09<kaduk>blarson, real movie, not porn
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12:09<JordiGH>kaduk: Well, try something unencrypted.
12:10<kaduk>blarson, person accusing someone of watching porn, must have only that in mind because he is doing it himself
12:10<JordiGH>Accusation? An accusation implies something is bad.
12:10<fxiny>heheh
12:10<dkr>JordiGH: I was thinking the same thing, :)
12:11<kaduk>JordiGH, I have gril and we want to watch movie, but all I tried to play are not readed correctly no matter what I do
12:11<kaduk>also tried with ubuntu
12:11<JordiGH>Anyways, just try an unencrypted dvd, porn dvds being a convenient example.
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12:11<kaduk>also with debian
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12:11<kaduk>JordiGH, these days all original movies are encrypted
12:11<JordiGH>kaduk: Not all of them, as the suggested example... or burn your own.
12:11<kaduk>not encrypted are in most cases the stolen one or from torrent
12:12<kaduk>JordiGH, burn your own ?
12:12<fxiny>stolen ?
12:12<kaduk>yes downloading movies from torrent and burning them is stealing
12:12<JordiGH>kaduk: Yeah, I mean, copy a DVD without encryption. Apparently you can read them in Windows, so do it in Windows, make sure it's not the encryption that's giving you a hard time.
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12:13<kaduk>JordiGH, that makes no sens
12:13<JordiGH>kaduk: Your perception of the morality of copyright law is probably unpopular here.
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12:13<fxiny>so you deny my civil rights ?
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12:13<kaduk>If I would have windows I would just watch them on windows
12:13<kaduk>there is no sens to copy them on windows and watch on linux
12:13<fxiny>they talk law and they deny the basic rights
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12:13<JordiGH>kaduk: It makes a lot of sense if you want to diagnose the problem and make sure that the encryption that is preventing you from stealing the DVD isn't also preventing you from watching it.
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12:15<JordiGH>kaduk: Btw, if you are so worried about theft, you've already stolen by installing libdvdcss, at least as interpreted by one jurisdiction.
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12:15<kaduk>JordiGH, I did not stole anything. I bought movie and I want to watch it
12:15<JordiGH>kaduk: libdvdcss is illegal under at least one jurisdiction.
12:15<kaduk>JordiGH, they must have been drunk
12:16<kaduk>JordiGH, if its revers enginerd its legal
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12:16<JordiGH>kaduk: Nope, it's illegal. And they weren't drunk. And if you're in the US, the DMCA makes reverse engineering illegal too.
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12:16<dr|z3d>kaduk: Please refer to the Digital Millenium Act, and how it pertains to reverse engineering DRM.
12:17<kaduk>Hopefully I am not in US and never will be
12:17<JordiGH>kaduk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decss#Legal_response
12:17<kaduk>btw, this is gambling imho
12:17<JordiGH>kaduk: It's not just the US, I think.
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12:17<kaduk>they sell DVD but dont state that its for Windows only
12:17<kaduk>I dont have windows
12:17<JordiGH>kaduk: You filthy pirate.
12:17<kaduk>so I was gambled
12:18<fxiny>beat 'em
12:18<tghy>My Debian Lenny wont turn off automatically. After shutdonw system i see output message: acpi_power_off called. And nothing happen. I tried to install acpi-support. It doesnt help me
12:18<JordiGH>tghy: We already told you to add some kernel options.
12:18<Txt-file>tghy: shutdown --help should help you
12:19<Lenhix>What is your MB, tghy?
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12:22<kaduk>Ok removing debian installing windows
12:22<kaduk>this system is not usable
12:22<tghy>Nothing help me
12:22<kaduk>as it cant read dvds
12:23<JordiGH>kaduk: Thank you, come again.
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12:23<tghy>Kernel option doesnt help. acpi-support doesnt help. shutdown doesnt change anything
12:24<tghy>What is MB you ask?
12:24<tghy>Lenhix:
12:25<Txt-file>tghy: from shutdown --help: "-P: halt action is to turn off power"
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12:26<tghy>Any options from shutdown doesnt change to good side
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12:27<JordiGH>Hm, kaduk was Polish? The European Union Directives also make decss in the EU.
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12:27<JordiGH>makes decss illegal.
12:27<tghy>But ill try it later, maybe this command roll dice of luck
12:27<fxiny>europe stinks , i know it very well
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12:29<fxiny>they made a fake curerency , they trade slaves from all around africa and east europe
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12:29<fxiny>it stinks
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12:30<tghy>Im just report about bug in Debian etch and lenny. I had this problem in both
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12:31<simonrvn>tghy: 'reportbug foo'
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12:34<tghy>Not foo
12:34<tghy>What other?
12:34<Lenhix>tghy: Main Board
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12:35<JordiGH>tghy: "foo" is a metasyntactic variable.
12:35<Lenhix>I guess it supports ACPI, but.. just to be sure
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12:37<Lenhix>gotta go
12:37<Lenhix>hop you fix that
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12:37<tghy>hope someone tip me
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12:38<mrtash>boo
12:39<tghy>LO
12:39<mrtash>its quiet inhere
12:40<blarson>!tell mrtash about ask
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12:53<stevem_>Hey I've got a process thats always 50%/60% called 'events/0' and its slowing my system down
12:53<stevem_>and I can't kill it]
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13:12<simonrvn>stevem_: that's a kernel thread. that one manages device events.
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13:13<stevem_>simonrvn, I killed jackd and it fixed it
13:13<simonrvn>:)
13:13<stevem_>Love the HTop
13:14<simonrvn>:)
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13:14<simonrvn>top/htop are sure handy
13:14<stevem_>My cursor isn't all wobbly now :D
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13:15<stevem_>yeah jackd uses a hUUUGe amount of CPU
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13:18<knarken>how to i install a script?
13:18<knarken>*d
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13:19<simonrvn>"install a script" where?
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13:19<knarken>well got one for my lenovo thinkpad which should fix the sound, but i don't know more than that
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13:21<marga>Hi! Due to unexpected power outages, I'm having a bothering problem with dbf files opened via nfs: when the power goes out on the client (the server has UPS), the connection to the dbf is still active, and when it comes back, the only way to be able to use the dbf is to first mv it and then cp it. Is there another way of letting nfs realize that the connections have died?
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13:21<simonrvn>knarken: what's it for exactly?
13:22<knarken>Small script to download,patch,build the alsa module for Thinkpad T61/R61/X61.
13:23<simonrvn>oh, i suppose in /usr/local/bin, or similar. i guess you're meant to just run it?
13:23<knarken>just downloaded it from a website and it's on my desktop
13:24<simonrvn>well you could mv it somewhere in a ~/src dir perhaps, and run it from there, too.
13:25<knarken>how do i even run it?
13:25<simonrvn>./foo
13:25<simonrvn>read the comments too
13:25<simonrvn>make sure it has execute permissions
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13:26<knarken>ok checked that, so just ./foo t61-build-alsa-module.sh in terminal?
13:27<simonrvn>no, ./t61-build-alsa-module.sh in term
13:27<simonrvn>!foo
13:27<dpkg>somebody said foo was probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
13:28<knarken>seems like it worked :) thanks
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13:34<Sisvga>hi
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13:34<Sisvga>Debian etch support is the tnt2 card?
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13:35<xingu>marga: that's precisely what the client's lockd is supposed to do - inform the server that the system has restarted so that it can release locks
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13:35<Sisvga>anyone?
13:36<xingu>marga: sorry, statd
13:37<xingu>marga: http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/nfs/ch07_05.htm
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13:39<marga>xingu: apparently, for dbf files, it does not. Maybe it's because the lock is not for the whole file, bug only for 1 record.
13:40<xingu>marga: nfs locking only works at the file level
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13:41<marga>I don't know the internals, but I swear to you, this is locking records and not files... And I fix it by mving and then cping
13:41<xingu>marga: then the problem isn't nfs, it's the application; what's a dbf file when it's at home?
13:42<marga>xingu: ¿?
13:42<marga>xingu: the application is an old clipper program, running inside dosemu.
13:42<xingu>marga: what application are you having a problem with?
13:42<Sisvga>Debian etch support is the tnt2 card?
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13:44<xingu>marga: on the server, what does rpcinfo -p | grep nlockmgr report?
13:45<marga>3 tcp and 3 udp connections.
13:48<xingu>marga: ok; and statd is definitely running on both client and server?
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13:51<cheal>Sisvga: yes
13:51<xingu>marga: nb, locking is one area which is massively improved under nfsv4; at the risk of giving you a cargo-cult answer, moving to nfsv4 on tcp (if you're not already using it) will be optimal in many different dimensions - and may fix this problem
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13:52<enouf>Sisvga: indeed it does - the Xorg 'nv' driver ... as well as legacy nvidia 3d drivers would work
13:52<Sisvga>cheal, thanks
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13:53<Sisvga>enouf, my ati rage xl doesen't support Xorg
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13:55<Sisvga>enouf, need mach64 driver :/
13:55<Ananth123>how do i get the man pages for the gcc functions like atoi etc ? i have gcc-4.3-doc installed but cant see any help with man
13:56<xingu>Ananth123: can't remember if section 3 is in manpages-dev or not, but it's worth a look.
13:56<xingu>Ananth123: section 2 definitely is.
13:56<adama>Ananth123: there should be man pages for individual functions: man atoi
13:57<Ananth123>i get a message 'No manual entry for atoi'
13:57<enouf>wow kaduk was a nice lil' troll eh? :-P
13:57<Ananth123>but i also get the message 'gcc-4.3-doc set to manually installed'
13:57<adama>hmm I am getting the man page, it is ATOI(3)
13:57<enouf>!gcc-doc
13:57<dpkg>the man pages for gcc are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free> <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev.
13:58<Ananth123>ok :)
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13:58<Ananth123>i think i must have got just manpages
13:58<Ananth123>enouf: thanks!
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14:00<Sisvga>enouf, then suitable Xorg driver?
14:00<Sisvga>for my tnt2 card
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14:02<enouf>xingu: do you have any idea why i can't find anything defining what something like; "make O=/home/username/linux-xen-config/ menuconfig" is? i mean the 'O=...' part (i can certainly surmise what it's doing) but still, i can't find anything in gcc -v --help; make --help ; nothing in /usr/share/doc/{gcc-*,make,automake} .. i rgrepped them :-?
14:02<enouf>s/:-?/:-(
14:02<enouf>Sisvga: the xserver-xorg-video-nv driver
14:02<xingu>enouf: that's lingua kbuild
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14:03<enouf>Sisvga: just install the xorg pkg, and it shall be available - also /msg dpkg drxx
14:03<Lemonzest>lol, reading up on codenames and wondered, what happens when you run out of toy story toys?
14:03<enouf>xingu: ahh .. so grep the kernel source/scripts?
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14:04<xingu>enouf: see ...src/linux/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt
14:04<enouf>Lemonzest: there's way too many to worry about that
14:04<enouf>xingu: bravo! .. gracias ;-)
14:04<fxiny>hey !
14:04<Lemonzest>enouf: oh good :)
14:04<enouf>fxiny: look .. no more porbs!
14:05<fxiny>enouf: no , moooore
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14:07<zumbi>!hi
14:07<dpkg>hello, zumbi
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14:08<fxiny>friendly place :P
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14:08<zumbi>how do you change language settings for the whole system?
14:08<Ananth123>zumbi: use LANG or LANG_ALL env variable
14:08<zumbi>i have reconfigured locales, but Gnome still is in the same language
14:09<zumbi>Ananth123: i did export LANG=C then restart X session, but Gnome still the same language
14:10<Ananth123>what language do you want ?
14:10<zumbi>from catalonian to english
14:10<zumbi>en_US.UTF-8
14:11<themill>gnome probably has its own settings too
14:11<Ananth123>hmm... have you installed the en_US language packages ?
14:11<zumbi>umm
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14:18<mac>방가
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14:21<jos>where is the mysql.h file
14:22<jos>do i need to install an additional mysql-dev file
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14:22<jos>do i need to install an additional mysql-dev pkg
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14:22<cheal>!wayttd jos
14:22<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, jos?
14:23<adama>jos: it's in libmysqlclient15-dev
14:23<jos>complie a mysql application
14:23<jos>that i am making myself
14:23<themill>jos: apt-file search /mysql.h ; /msg dpkg apt-file ; apt-file is your friend.
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14:27<jos>ok thanks
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14:30<enouf>zumbi: 'export VAR=' only applies to current shell sessions .. you lose it once you close the shell, or end session (in general)
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14:32<chacal>pe kambu coaaare
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14:32<chacal>añarakoo :d
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14:34<enouf>zumbi: but sure, for a DE like gnome - see System > Preferences > {whatever} ... .. or try gnome-control-center, or even gconf-editor ?
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14:46<mike>somebody tell me, why debian lenny doesn't have gnome 2.24?
14:47<adama>because it's frozen?
14:47<mike>hmm
14:47<Torsten_W>it's near spring ;)
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14:47<mike>but release have too gnome 2.24 ?
14:48<Torsten_W>no
14:48<mike>so tell my... why? :D
14:48<Stuckey>Does anyone know what to do with a .mdf file? The file command says that it's ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data...
14:48<goodger>Torsten_W: tell that to the UK
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14:49<goodger>Stuckey: you can open it with an archive manager such as file-roller, extract it using a command-line tool, or mount it
14:49<adama>mike: when lenny was frozen, it had Gnome 2.22. --> Lenny has gnome 2.22
14:49<goodger>or you can burn it
14:49<Stuckey>goodger: I mount it just like an .iso?
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14:49<goodger>Stuckey: since its mime type is ISO 9600, it is the same thing unless I am fundamentally mistaken
14:50<petern>You can try. It's often a good way of finding out...
14:50<mike>adama: ok, i understand
14:50<adama>Stuckey: try this as root: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/file.mdf /some/empty/dir
14:50*goodger tips cap to petern
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14:50<goodger>petern: SNOW! :)
14:51<petern>There is!
14:51<petern>Although it's mostly gone here :(
14:51*adama rolls eyes
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14:51<adama>brits
14:51<mike>next testing is squeezy yap?
14:51<goodger>mike: squeeze
14:52<mike>yes, yes.. ;-)
14:52<goodger>adama: this is the first snow since 2005-11-25. yes, I remember the precise date
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14:52<petern>This it the first snow here for about a month ;)
14:52<petern>If that.
14:52<goodger>pff
14:52<goodger>bloody northerners
14:53<mike>when go out first version of "6" ?
14:53<adama>goodger: it's snowing here too, it's been at least a couple of days
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14:53<petern>It lasted longer then, too.
14:53<goodger>mike: what?
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14:53<adama>he means the next release after lenny
14:53<tzafrir_laptop>so Lenny's php has a broken sqlite3 support?
14:54<goodger>it's not necessarily 6.0
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14:54<mike>when the first version comes out of Squeeze?
14:54<goodger>mike: the day after lenny is released
14:55<mike>are you got any information of squeeze?
14:55<tzafrir_laptop>php's DB handles 'sqlite:' DSNs with sqlite.so that uses libsqlite.so.0
14:55<mike>packages...
14:55<mike>(sorry of my english ;-))
14:55<tzafrir_laptop>Whereeas according to php.net, 'sqlite:' seems to be for sqlite3
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14:56<goodger>tzafrir_laptop: no other version of sqlite is used in lenny AFAIK
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14:57<qsajeal>Hello! I try to execute commands under root rights by su command syntax, but system ask me password, but I can't type password on keyboard, i have only cursor(((
14:57<tzafrir_laptop>goodger, "no other version" == besides sqlite2?
14:57<goodger>qsajeal: the password is not shown
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14:58<goodger>tzafrir_laptop: ah, yes, libsqlite0 is 2.x
14:58<tzafrir_laptop>pdo_sqlite.so is linked with libsqlite3.so
14:59<goodger>tzafrir_laptop: can you link me to the article on php.net?
14:59<themill>judd versions sqlite3
14:59<judd>themill: sqlite3 -- etch: 3.3.8-1.1 lenny: 3.5.9-5 sid: 3.5.9-6 experimental: 3.6.10-1
14:59<seanius>goodger: tzafrir_laptop: there are two versions of sqlite in php/lenny, one using 2.0 and the other 3.0
15:00<qsajeal>Help me please
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15:00<tzafrir_laptop>seanius, the command-line tools and library work
15:01<tzafrir_laptop>The program I try to use hardly works with sqlite3, and has no chance of using sqlite2
15:01<tzafrir_laptop>qsajeal, what command do you actualyl run from the shell?
15:02<qsajeal>su #apt-get update
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15:04<tzafrir_laptop>qsajeal, '#' starts a comment
15:04<qsajeal>ok
15:04<tzafrir_laptop>do you want to use su or sudo?
15:04<qsajeal>just su
15:05<seanius>tzafrir_laptop: you might want to reference http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437796
15:05<qsajeal>and su and sudo
15:05<tzafrir_laptop>su -c 'command to run'
15:05<qsajeal>i also try to boot under mode of root and history come back
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15:05<seanius>tzafrir_laptop: i.e. if you need sqlite3 and the pdo extension doesn'twork, there's a third extension via pecl
15:05<qsajeal>i can't type pass
15:06<qsajeal>when system ask for it
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15:06<themill>!dbugs 437796
15:06<dpkg>#437796:I[php5-sqlite] php5-sqlite: pdo_sqlite wrongly links to libsqlite3 (); Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:30:02 UTC []
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15:07<tzafrir_laptop>seanius, I have a code that uses DB (e.g.: DB::connect() )
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15:07<tzafrir_laptop>upstream mainly uses mysql . It's supposed to also work with sqlite3 and it did work before.
15:07<tzafrir_laptop>On previous version of the software, and on Etch
15:08<mac>이거 뭐지?
15:08<adama>mac: English only please
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15:08<mac>可羅多羅
15:08<qsajeal>i what about my problem?
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15:08<qsajeal>*and
15:09<tzafrir_laptop>qsajeal, don't ask every 5 seconds
15:09<mac>i hate english
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15:09<tzafrir_laptop>Your English is much better than my Chinese (?)
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15:11<tzafrir_laptop>seanius, any idea how to make that one work with minimal patching?
15:11<tzafrir_laptop>qsajeal, why can't you type?
15:11<seanius>tzafrir_laptop: probably downloading the pecl extension
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15:13<qsajeal>I type, but in my monitor depicted nothing
15:14<tzafrir_laptop>seanius, http://pecl.php.net/package/sqlite3 ?
15:14<adama>qsajeal: passwords are not echoed onto the screen, like we said earlier
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15:15<qsajeal>and asterisks?
15:15<adama>qsajeal: no, nothing
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15:19<seanius>tzafrir_laptop: there should be a way to install it via pecl if you have php-pear and php5-dev installed
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15:20<tzafrir_laptop>is dh-make-php a good tool to make a deb?
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15:20<seanius>tzafrir_laptop: i've never used it myself, dunno
15:20<sheldonh>hmmm, cool. i'd never heard of it, but i'll bet it'll solve a number of problems for $WORK
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15:20<tzafrir_laptop>ok. I guess I'll try it tommorow, then. Thanks
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15:22<sheldonh>is lenny taking both recommends and suggests by default?
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15:28<fabrizio>ciao a tutti
15:28<marcot>Hello, I'm trying to use apt-get build-dep, but I'm getting: E: Build-Depends dependency for haskell-mtl cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package haddock can satisfy version requirements.
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15:29<marcot>$ grep Build-Depends haskell-mtl-1.1.0.2/debian/control
15:29<marcot>Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), haddock (>= 2.4.1), hscolour, haskell-devscripts, ghc6 (>= 6.10.1), ghc6-doc, cdbs
15:29<marcot>And haddock 2.4.1-1 is available by apt.
15:30<marcot>marcot@quindinho:~/trabalho/debian/experimental/mtl$ apt-cache show haddock | grep Version
15:30<marcot>Version: 2.4.1-1
15:30<marcot>Version: 0.8-2.1
15:30<marcot>When I try to install it in aptitude, it works ok. Why isn't apt-get build-dep working?
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15:53<valdyn>marcot: see apt-cache policy
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15:55<marcot>valdyn: ok, thanks.
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16:13<Tucuso>hello everyone
16:14<Tucuso> i have a problem building a custom debian cd, is the current sid/lenny version of simple-cdd bug?
16:14<Tucuso>it starts to build but in the end I get this message: http://paste.debian.net/27541/
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16:19<sheldonh>hmmm. conundrum. lenny-backports won't exist until the release, right?
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16:19<brigiteric>bonsoir
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16:19<brigiteric>je recherche un logiciel identique ccleaner mais pour ubuntu
16:20<insigne>oieeeeeeeeeeee
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16:20<sheldonh>so i'll have to get rubygems from experimental
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16:22<themill>brigiteric: #ubuntu-fr on irc.freenode.net
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16:24<brigiteric>personne ne peut m'aider
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16:24<brigiteric>dommage
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16:51<Stuckey>I'm running a virtual machine in vritualbox but there's no sound...
16:51<sheldonh>wow, enterprise ruby and passenger are just amazing
16:51<Stuckey>The error says "Some audio devices (PCM_out" could not be opened."
16:52<dr|z3d>Stuckey: Did you enable sound explicitly?
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16:52<Stuckey>dr|z3d: I did that in the settings menu in virtualbox
16:53<Stuckey>dr|z3d: I've tried setting it to all the differt options...
16:53<sheldonh>it's so funny to think of a desktop environment running inside a virtualbox :)
16:53<sheldonh>i'm used to pretty on the outside, metal on the inside
16:53<Stuckey>sheldonh: I'm trying to play a game that only runs in windows...
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16:58<Tucuso>Stuckey, which VB version are you running?
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16:59<Tucuso>Stuckey, SUNs or ose?
16:59<Stuckey>Tucuso: it's virtualbox ose
17:00<Tucuso>Stuckey, that one sucks, uninstall it and install the SUNs one
17:00<Tucuso>Stuckey, www.virtualbox.org
17:00<sheldonh>Stuckey: fair enough. i gave up on that whole idea and just resurrected windows on another partition
17:01<Stuckey>Tucuso: can I have both versions isntalled at the same time or do I hvae to uninstall?
17:01<Tucuso>you should uninstall the VB ose and their modules
17:01<Tucuso>just use the SUNs one
17:02<Stuckey>Tucuso: how do I uninstall the module?
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17:03<Tucuso>Stuckey, apt-get remove virtualbox-ose*
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17:06<Stuckey>Tucuso: thanks
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17:07<Tucuso>Stuckey, you are welcome
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17:22<peter69>koüpk
17:22<slush>?
17:22<peter69>geile fotze
17:23<slush>ofcourse
17:23<slush>!de
17:23<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
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17:23<slush>figures.
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17:24<knarken>!dk
17:24<dpkg>dk is probably Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark
17:25<knarken>smart.
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17:27<Blanco>salve
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17:30<brianwillis1984>hey does debian have a server software?
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17:31<dkr>yes
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17:34<slush>brianwillis1984: yes it has, but what kind of server software are you looking for? Almost every linux distrobution encloses software that is mentioned for servers
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17:34<brian-laptop>dkr: sorry about that net drops
17:34<brian-laptop>anyways where can i find this server edition to debian
17:35<mikexcr>cya all
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17:37<slush>brian-laptop: there isnt a special edition for server purposes
17:37<brian-laptop>oh ok thank slush
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17:38<brian-laptop>its not where its like ubuntu has its own server edition right?
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17:40<slush>i'm not sure about ubuntu, ubuntu has its own releases and stuff
17:40<slush>debian has the possibility to choose what kind of machine you are installing
17:40<avu>brian-laptop, ubuntu only has a custom installer for servers, not a seperate release (but no, debian doesn't have that either, the normal debian installer covers everything you need)
17:41<brian-laptop>ohok
17:41<brian-laptop>thanks guys
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18:28<duraperidol>is there a git repo for all of say lenny
18:28<gbp>Hi, i'm running xorg on Debian Lenny with a Pentium4 PC with a 1,718mhz/256kb cache CPU and 1.2Gb ram. Would it be normal for X to feel sluggish all the time? the CPU utilization seems to go up to 100% constantly. I realize the CPU is old, but I thought X would run "ok" - but I probably can't tolerate it lagging constantly.
18:28<duraperidol>been all over git.debian.org
18:28<binarymutant>gbp, what driver are you using? might have something to with it
18:29<gbp>video driver in use is nv
18:29<binarymutant>gbp, also powertop might help you see what's driving that cpu up
18:29<gbp>binarymutant, thanks - just installed powertop
18:29<binarymutant>gbp, have you tried the nvidia driver yet?
18:30<k1lumin4t1>has anybody ran into GRUB 2 "error; you need to load the kernel first"?
18:31<gbp>binarymutant, I downloaded the Nvidia legacy driver package that supported my video card, and spent a bit of time trying to get it to install but didn't do too well. do you have any tips?
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18:32<binarymutant>gbp, I just use the one in non-free
18:33<binarymutant>gbp, nvidia-glx-legacy I think
18:33<tijoev>can use some help positioning gnome after installing nvidia driver
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18:33<gbp>thanks =)
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18:34<binarymutant>tijoev, what do you mean positioning gnome?
18:34<gbp>powertop even makes suggestions on how to fix things, nice
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18:35<tijoev>after install and reboot of the desktop appears to be shifted to the left
18:35<tijoev>I can "stretch it with the monitor but things become skewed
18:36<binarymutant>tijoev, could it be your monitor? you know how you can move the image around that way
18:36<tijoev>can correct via monitors settings
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18:36<tijoev>though it was more of an X server thing
18:36<tijoev>did not have this problem in ubuntu
18:37<binarymutant>tijoev, I don't know any option in xorg.conf that would do that, but I might be wrong
18:37<tijoev>K
18:37<tijoev>do you know of a gui configuration for nvidia under debian (etch)
18:37<tijoev>I installed nvidia-xconfig but that was not it
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18:38<qdel>whois qdel
18:40<binarymutant>tijoev, nvidia-xconfig
18:41<binarymutant>tijoev, oh wait n/m sorry I was skimming
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18:42<binarymutant>tijoev, maybe nvidia-settings
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18:44<tijoev>brb, gonna restart X to see if that worked
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18:49<tijoev>nvidia-settings it is
18:50<tijoev>thanks for that
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19:03<ansgar>I'm trying to setup spamassassin (spamd), but even after setting the `-u' option, the main process runs as root (at least `ps axu' says so). The child process run with the different uid though.
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19:08<dondelelcaro>ansgar: it has to run as root if it's going to switch to a different user for the child processes
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19:08<dondelelcaro>(or at least, something has to)
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19:10<ansgar>dondelelcaro: But I don't want to run spamd as a different user at all. That's why I pass the --username option to spamd.
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19:10<ansgar>So it should not need to run as root after opening the TCP socket.
19:10<venus>whois ansgar
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19:14<dondelelcaro>ansgar: in that case, spamassassin ignores the user that spamc is being run as, and uses what's in username
19:14<dondelelcaro>ansgar: it doesn't change the uid of the main process
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19:16<ansgar>dondelelcaro: Ah, ok. Though it would probably not hurt to change the main process' uid as well.
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19:24<dondelelcaro>ansgar: could be, though I'm not sure if it needs to be root to do some other stuff
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19:29<dondelelcaro>ansgar: it may be worth looking through the source code to see, and then possibly filing a wishlist/minor bug with a patch
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19:35<KiRiLoS>i need some help gaining root access @ debian server,anyone willing to help me out?
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19:35<dondelelcaro>root access how?
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19:35<KiRiLoS>dondelelcaro, i am connected to a server,i have the password and i wanna be root
19:36<blarson>KiRiLoS: su
19:36<KiRiLoS>i am tryin su command but nothing happens(Almost forgat to say i am newbie)
19:37<abrotman>nothing happens meaning what? it doesn't prompt you for a password?
19:37<KiRiLoS>yeap not at all
19:37<abrotman>is your prompt a $ or a # ?
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19:38<KiRiLoS>#
19:39<abrotman>KiRiLoS: what does `whoami` return?
19:39<KiRiLoS>sec abrotman
19:40<KiRiLoS>root,but the thing is i am tryin to change the date and it wont let me!
19:40<abrotman>so what's the error on that?
19:40<KiRiLoS>that's why it's drivin me nuts ;p
19:40<abrotman>argghhh
19:40<KiRiLoS>as root i guess i should be able to change the server's date,right ?
19:41<KiRiLoS> date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted
19:41<KiRiLoS>that's the error i get
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19:41<abrotman>what's the command you're giving it?
19:42<KiRiLoS>date -s bla bla bla
19:42<abrotman>and why aren't you using something more sane like ntp to set the date ?
19:42<abrotman>bla bla bla is not a valid date
19:42<abrotman>not even in biblical times
19:42<KiRiLoS>i dont even know what ntp is ;p
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19:42<abrotman>KiRiLoS: what's wrong with the current date?
19:43<KiRiLoS>abrotman, i am not actualy using bla bla bla , i am using mm dd
19:43<KiRiLoS>well it's wrong and i need to change that :S
19:44<abrotman>KiRiLoS: help us out here .. how is it wrong? wrong time zone? wrong year? wrong epoch ?
19:44<KiRiLoS>-2 hours from my local time
19:44<KiRiLoS>so i guess it's not gmt+2 and it's gmt
19:44<abrotman>what does "date" return ?
19:45<KiRiLoS>Wed Feb 4 00:44:59 UTC 2009
19:45<KiRiLoS>so its utc ;p
19:45<themill>which is correct
19:45<KiRiLoS>my bad
19:45<abrotman>KiRiLoS: and you want it to be local time ?
19:45<KiRiLoS>Wed Feb 4 02:45 would be the correct one
19:45<KiRiLoS>yeap
19:46<abrotman>!set the time
19:46<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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19:46<abrotman>you probably want to check /etc/default/rcS
19:46<ansgar>KiRiLoS: Are you on a virtual server? Like on OpenVZ or similar?
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19:47<MaD-BoY>hi ;p
19:47<KiRiLoS>MaD-BoY, is actually the one having that date problem ;p
19:47<MaD-BoY>yea im the one with prob
19:47<MaD-BoY>;s
19:47<MaD-BoY>my friend here is using ubuntu so i asked him but he couldnt figure out whats happening
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19:50<adama>MaD-BoY: run "tzselect" as root
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19:50<MaD-BoY>ok it has some options
19:50<MaD-BoY>africa america etc
19:51<abrotman>MaD-BoY: which OS is this?
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19:51<MaD-BoY>Linux server1.ircy.net 2.6.18-fza-028stab051.1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 7 15:14:08 UTC 2007 i686
19:51<abrotman>MaD-BoY: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
19:51<adama>MaD-BoY: just follow the prompts
19:51<MaD-BoY>just a min
19:52<MaD-BoY>cause i dont know much of it
19:52<MaD-BoY>:)
19:52<MaD-BoY>Here is that TZ value again, this time on standard output so that you
19:52<MaD-BoY>can use the /usr/bin/tzselect command in shell scripts:
19:52<MaD-BoY>Europe/Athens
19:52<MaD-BoY>i think i made it
19:52<abrotman>MaD-BoY: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
19:52<MaD-BoY>but the time didnt change :P
19:53<MaD-BoY>ok im typing it
19:53<MaD-BoY>server1:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
19:53<MaD-BoY>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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19:55<MaD-BoY>any idea what's happening? :/
19:55<KiRiLoS>abrotman, ?
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20:11<MaD-BoY>excuse me
20:11<abrotman>MaD-BoY: did you check your /etc/default/rcS ?
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20:12<MaD-BoY>abrotman
20:12<MaD-BoY>it says You can make this change permanent for yourself by appending the line
20:12<MaD-BoY> TZ='Europe/Athens'; export TZ
20:12<MaD-BoY>to the file '.profile' in your home directory; then log out and log in again.
20:12<MaD-BoY>at tzselect
20:12<abrotman>MaD-BoY: did you check your /etc/default/rcS ?
20:12<MaD-BoY>no
20:12<abrotman>could you?
20:13<MaD-BoY>whats in there?
20:13<MaD-BoY>going now
20:13<abrotman>grep UTC /etc/default/rcS
20:13<MaD-BoY>UTC=yes
20:13<abrotman>set it to no
20:14<MaD-BoY>done
20:14<MaD-BoY>now?
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20:14<abrotman>date ?
20:14<MaD-BoY>root@server1:/etc/default# date
20:14<MaD-BoY>Wed Feb 4 01:14:38 UTC 2009
20:14<MaD-BoY>same :s
20:15<MaD-BoY>:(
20:15<abrotman>i can't recall if you need to restart for that to take effect
20:15<MaD-BoY>it may need reboot?
20:15<MaD-BoY>and what about the line that says to add at .profile?
20:17<abrotman>what line ?
20:17<MaD-BoY>You can make this change permanent for yourself by appending the line
20:17<MaD-BoY>[03:12] <MaD-BoY> TZ='Europe/Athens'; export TZ
20:17<MaD-BoY>[03:12] <MaD-BoY> to the file '.profile' in your home directory; then log out and log in again.
20:17<MaD-BoY>when i used tzselect
20:17<abrotman>ignore it
20:17<MaD-BoY>oh ok
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20:24<MaD-BoY>well thnx for the help
20:25<MaD-BoY>i hope with reboot it will be fixed
20:25<MaD-BoY>:)
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20:37<camel__>is there any way to run a 2.6.28 kernel on my debian lenny system, other than just rolling my own from source?
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20:37<dondelelcaro>camel__: you could also use make-kpkg
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20:38<enouf>http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
20:38<camel__>dondelelcaro: great, thanks. never heard of that before, but it looks like just what I need :)
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20:55<chealer>camel__: yes (the kernel team offers packages in an unofficial repository)
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20:59<camel__>chealer: where is that repository?
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21:06<camel__>ok, up and running
21:06<camel__>thanks guys :)
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21:16<brianwillis1984>hey everyone my computer cant find the net could someone help or point me in the dirrection to help
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21:21<wgsilkie>brianwillis1984: Has it ever been able to?
21:22<brianwillis1984>no i just got it programmed in just a few mins ago
21:22<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: Is this still your Micron Transport NX laptop with the CNet CNF401 CardBus adapter?
21:22<brianwillis1984>hahah good memory
21:23<brianwillis1984>no
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21:23<wgsilkie>Are you using a fresh install?
21:23<brianwillis1984>its a compaq proliant dl380 rack server
21:23<brianwillis1984>yes i just installed it
21:23<brianwillis1984>ver 4.0
21:24<wgsilkie>Ok, that's weird.
21:24<brianwillis1984>yea
21:24<brianwillis1984>when i was programing it in the autoconfig it didnt find it
21:24<brianwillis1984>so :S
21:24<wgsilkie>Debian (at least etch) comes with Network Manager...
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21:26<wgsilkie>...which is supposed to
21:26<wgsilkie>keep an active network connection
21:26<wgsilkie> available at all times.
21:26<blarson>brianwillis1984: Does ifconfig -a show your ethernet interface?
21:26<wgsilkie>Oh, wait!
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21:27<wgsilkie>I had a problem with a laptop and Debian with setting up a net interface.
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21:28<wgsilkie>If you try to set one up manually with ifconfig, Network Manager messes it up.
21:28<wgsilkie>Unless you tell the daemon to stop.
21:28<wgsilkie>How are you trying to set it up?
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21:41<axlrose>hello
21:41<axlrose>I installed the ATI drivers from the website
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22:02<twb>I am doing Naughty Things to replicate an install to a second machine.
22:02<twb>After reinstalling the MBR, I boot the kernel and it eventually complains: "ALERT! /dev/mapper/foo-root does not exist!"
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22:05<twb>Which step have I forgotten?
22:06<twb>Within the busybox rescue shell, I have a /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 (the latter being the LVM PV), but "lvm vgscan" reports no volume groups.
22:06<twb>However when I boot a live USB key, I can see the LVM PV, VG and LVs.
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22:18<twb>OK, new theory: mdadm is an ass, and isn't assembling every array it finds
22:18<twb>The existence of /dev/md0 is misleading.
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22:20<twb>The md UUIDs on the original and the copy don't match (at least, I assume they don't, as I didn't do a bitwise copy).
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22:39<|1|||1|>http://docson.autonomy.net.au/wiki/OperatingSystems/KVM
22:39<|1|||1|>Has anyone encountered a problem with the interfaces file where {pre,post}-{up,down} commands don't run and no errors are logged anywhere?
22:39<|1|||1|>my interface config is in the abovementioned link
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22:41<twb>|1|||1|: I imagine it's handled by run-parts
22:41<twb>|1|||1|: therefore make sure the filename is appropriately named
22:41<twb>e.g. foo is ok, foo.sh is not
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22:45<ethaniel>Hello?
22:45<kop>I'm running postfix and my aliases file seems to be ignoring an alias for root. The 'mail' program seems to be appending @$(cat /etc/mailname) before sending the mail, which in my case means that it's not treated as a local address. What's the right approach to fix this. I'm thinking setting /etc/mailname back to the local machine and setting myorigin in /etc/postfix/main.cf so that postfix ignores /etc/mailname.
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22:46<twb>kop: newaliases?
22:47<kop>twb: Been there, done that.
22:47<ethaniel>Well, I believe my problem is easier to solve. I can't convince Debian to show the right time.
22:47<twb>kop: dunno, sorry
22:47<kop>ethaniel : What time does it show?
22:47<kop>ethaniel : Are you dual booting?
22:47<twb>ethaniel: hardware clock set to utc? (etc/default/rcS)
22:48<ethaniel>Well, my watch says 01:46 am, and Debian is showing 02:46 am.
22:48<zakame>kop: does your /etc/hosts entry for that machine match your /etc/mailname?
22:48<twb>ethaniel: does /etc/timezone have the correct location?
22:48<kop>zakame : No.
22:48<zakame>try setting that then
22:48<kop>ethaniel : Sounds like a utc issue.
22:48<ethaniel>Let me check that...
22:49<ethaniel>Yeap, America/Buenos Aires, it's correct, but, we are using GMT -2 until March 1st.
22:49<ethaniel>And I don't think Debian knows that...
22:50<abrotman>ethaniel: which version of debian ?
22:50<kop>zakame : I'd rather not. I want the outbound mail from the machine to come from a domain that's not directly related to the domain that a reverse dns lookup would return for the box's IP address.
22:50<ethaniel>Etch.
22:50<kop>zakame : And I want hostname etc to show the machine's name so I can tell what's what.
22:50<abrotman>ethaniel: and grep UTC /etc/default/rcS .. set to no ?
22:50<zakame>ah
22:51<ethaniel>Exactly, UTC is set to "no".
22:51<abrotman>ethaniel: so 'date' returns ?
22:51*abrotman curses DST
22:52<ethaniel>02:50:29 ARST.
22:52<abrotman>isn't that timezone correct?
22:52<kop>ethaniel : Are you dual booting with a non-linux OS?
22:52<abrotman>as opposed to ARDT?
22:52<ethaniel>No, virtualized Debian, under VirtualBox.
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22:52<zakame>kop: I have that sort of setup actually, a machine that goes by different domain names, but not sending root mails in the way you say
22:52<ethaniel>Windows is showing the right time.
22:53<ethaniel>And Debian is exactly one hour ahead.
22:53<ethaniel>Sorry about this, I know it sounds really stupid... :S
22:54<|1|||1|>twd: Sorry - I'm an idiot
22:54<kop>zakame : I'm guessing as to the problem. All I know is that mail should never be delivered to root because root's got an alias in /etc/aliases, but when I send "echo foo | mail -t test root" I wind up with an entry in the queue that's trying to send to root@example.com (if /etc/mailname is example.com).
22:54<ethaniel>I tried changing it with "date --set", but it only last one or two seconds.
22:54<|1|||1|>twd - I was not even looking at the obvious problem which is that I was not running the ifup/ifdown scripts, but the ifconfig binary : - /
22:54<twb>|1|||1|: it's twB
22:55<|1|||1|>oops, :)
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22:55<|1|||1|>come on, don't kick a man when he's already down
22:55<zakame>kop: must be something in your postfix conf then, hmm
22:55<twb>|1|||1|: best time
22:55<twb>Specially if his legs are akimbo
22:55<|1|||1|>haah!
22:55<kop>zakame : main.cf has myorigin commented out.
22:56<twb>kop: you know you can use "postconf" to find out what *postfix* thinks a variable is set to, be it by the config file or elsewhere?
22:56*twb tends to mistrust reading the config file alone
22:56<kop>zakame : Does hwclock show the right time? I'm thinking a virtual box issue with regard to daylignt savings time.
22:56<kop>twb :Yup.
22:57<ethaniel>No, hwclock has the time wrong.
22:57<twb>kop: re ethaniel, I'm inclined to just say "it's virtualbox's fault, go ask them about it"
22:57<kop>I should actually go look while I'm chatting in case something comes up....
22:57<zakame>hehe
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22:57<ethaniel>Okay then, maybe Virtualbox is messing things up.
22:58<kop>(As in, reality does not correspond with my brain.)
22:58<ethaniel>Thanks, everyone. :)
22:58<goodger>"The Guide is definitive. Reality is frequently inaccurate."
23:01<abrotman>ethaniel: hwclock might tell you some more useful info
23:01<twb>goodger: I just realized you mean h2g2, not the d-i guide
23:01<ethaniel>Can I force a time change with hwclock?
23:02<goodger>¬.¬
23:02<goodger>good night
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23:03<|1|||1|>ok I have kvm up and running beautifully
23:03<|1|||1|>awe-ness
23:03<twb>|1|||1|: I envy you
23:03<twb>|1|||1|: I can't even afford to buy hardware for kvm anymore
23:03<twb>Stupid recession
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23:04<twb>Hey, you know what creates tens of thousands of jobs? WAR!
23:04<kop>Sadly, reality is as I remember it.
23:04<twb>It can replace FIFA and eurovision
23:04*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic
23:04<Dargor>war also stimulates scientific research
23:04<twb>abrotman: sorry.
23:04<ethaniel>I think I fixed it.
23:05<Dargor>yay what a cool time to join the channel.
23:05<kop>ethaniel : Howzat?
23:05<ethaniel>Used "hwclock --date 02:02 --set" and...
23:05<ethaniel>"hwclock --hctosys" later.
23:05<ethaniel>But...
23:05<kop>ethaniel : Yeah, but it may not stick.
23:05<ethaniel>... just changed back again.
23:05<kop>ethaniel : It not being a real clock.
23:06<Dargor>anyone know how i can get the exit status from the second to last command.
23:07<Dargor>eg: find somestuff | head -n 1 && echo $?. but i want the exit status from find.
23:07<kop>Dargor : You can't. You have to save it somewhere after the command your interested in. In shell: rval=$?
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23:08<Dargor>yea, so how can i save it while i want to pipe the output from that command. like ^^
23:08<|1|||1|>twb: I can't afford it either... these are all machines at work
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23:09<ethaniel>Could ntp help me?
23:09<twb>|1|||1|: work won't let me rm -rf vmware
23:09<kop>Dargor : man bash says you can use "pipefail" (set it, somehow) to get an exit value of a pipeline if there's a failure somewhere in the pipe.
23:10<twb>Which is sad, because they have a quad-core 3GHz and 8GB of ram
23:10<twb>And 1TB of disk (meh.)
23:10<kop>ethaniel : Probably not. It'd fight with virtual box over the hwclock.
23:10<Dargor>ah, awsome thanks.
23:10<|1|||1|>twb: well... the VMware people here hate me, everytime I talk about KVM, they go pale red
23:10<ethaniel>Okay, I'll do that. Thanks again.
23:10<kop>ethaniel : The right approach is to fix virtualbox.
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23:10<|1|||1|>it's an uphill battle, but I hate them enough to fuel my enthusiasm
23:11<twb>|1|||1|: like Atlas or something
23:11<kop>twb: There's something to be said for "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
23:11<twb>Not atlas, the guy who has to push the rock uphill
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23:11<twb>kop: except that vmware is currently used for ONE fucking VM, which just runs quickbooks
23:11<kop>twb :sysphus. Any postfix clues on how to tell what's wrong with my box?
23:11<twb>kop: you can also try #postfix on freenode
23:11<|1|||1|>they're supposed to be vmware admins, and they don't know how to set the locale on the vmware host, or today it seems one of them was so excited because he just discovered this new amazing tool called "tcpdump"
23:12<|1|||1|>lame, so lame.
23:12<kop>|1|||1| : Blow their minds with wireshark.
23:13<|1|||1|>wasn't that Sisyphus ?
23:13<|1|||1|>I'll let them rot in their own stupidity
23:14<kop>twb: #postfix will probably hate me for the /etc/mailname patch.
23:14<twb>kop: you carefully avoid mentioningit
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23:14<stroyan>Dargor: With bash you can also use PIPESTATUS. false | true | false; echo ${PIPESTATUS[*]}
23:14<stroyan>1 0 1
23:14<kop>twb: But meanthinks that if /etc/mailname didn't exist I wouldn't have the problem.
23:14<brianwillis1984>is there anywhere i can go for debian network help?
23:14<twb>kop: oh.
23:15<|1|||1|>http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/sisyphus.gif
23:15<twb>kop: so test it by building postfix .deb without that patch
23:15<|1|||1|>lawl
23:16<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: You were asked a question previously, no response from you was received.
23:16<kop>twb: But I'm lazy. I think I'll try my guess. Set /etc/mailname back to the local host and set myorigin manually to what I want. Then see what happens.
23:16<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: 13:26 < blarson> brianwillis1984: Does ifconfig -a show your ethernet interface?
23:16<brianwillis1984>oh sorry gsummons, i was chaseing after my kid
23:17<brianwillis1984>but yea i can see my network cards in the computer
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23:18<brianwillis1984>gsimmons: what would be your next step
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23:18<kop>gsimmons, brianwillis1984 : I know nothing about your problem, but it feels like a /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules problem. *ding* random guess.
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23:20<brianwillis1984>kop: i installed the new debian into my compaq server and well it doesnt want to do anything with the internet...but it does see the cards there are two cards in it and yes i tried moveing the plug around and restart and nothing happens so i dont know what else to do bud
23:20<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: Configure the interface (/msg dpkg interfaces). If you happen to be using a BCM5706/5708 network controller in your system _and_ an etchnhalf kernel (ie. 2.6.24) is in use, you're required to install firmware for your controller. You can verify the latter via lspci and uname -r.
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23:23<kop>brianwillis1984, gsimmons : Threre's a particular chipset that has some problem where the mac address keeps changing and so the z25* file must be modified to pick up only the unchanging part of the mac address. dpkg has a factoid, but I forget what it is. And forget how to search the factoids.
23:23<kop>brianwillis1984 : So "ifconfig -a" shows eth0 and eth1 but neither is configured with an IP?
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23:23<gsimmons>kop: You're probably thinking of "forcedeth mac".
23:24<kop>gsimmons : Yup. That's it.
23:24<brianwillis1984>kop: right but no ip
23:25<kop>brianwillis1984 : paste /etc/network/interfaces somewhere. While your at it, the output of lspci. Oh wait, no network.....
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23:26<altaner>Good daytime
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23:26<altaner>Is there anybody online?
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23:27<kop>brianwillias1984: /etc/network/interfaces has clauses that start out like: iface eth0 inet right?
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23:28<brianwillis1984>kop: im still new to commands
23:28<brianwillis1984>i dont know if this helps any guys but my router dont even see it beening plugged in
23:28<kop>brianwillis1984 : You can type : cat /etc/network/interfaces
23:28<altaner>I want to make a Linux server in my network. There is already a win2k3 server. Can you tell me, what Linux analogs of AD+domain, router, proxy, firewall, antivir can I use?
23:29<altaner>Just a names of packages - fow me to know, what manuals must I read
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23:29<kop>There are lots of choices: openldap, bind9, routing is built-in, squid, iptables, clamav (although clamav is to block MS windows viruses, there really arn't any linux viruses.)
23:30<brianwillis1984>kop: okay give me a min have to go to other room
23:30<k1lumin4t1>what are CGI applications worth for?
23:30<kop>k1lumin4t1 : Dynamic web content?
23:30<altaner>Mmm... openldap - is Acrive Dir, bind - DNS, squid - proxy, clamav - antivir?
23:30<k1lumin4t1>kop, yes. But, why a CGI?
23:31<kop>!tell altaner -about grounding
23:32<kop>altaner : Yes. There are other choices for all of them, but those are the popular ones. You'll also want to know about samba, most likely.
23:32<kop>altaner : And there are lots of add-ons to most of the programs mentioned that add graphical interfaces or other features. Oh, you'll also want dhcpd.
23:33<kop>k1lumin4t1 : See wikipedia.
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23:33<kop>altaner : You might want the docs at debian.org.
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23:34<brianwillis1984>kop: i did that command what was i looking for the different network
23:34<brianwillis1984>?
23:35<kop>AD is bind + dhcpd + openldap + a gui interface. Sorta. I don't really know AD. There's probably also something like kickstart or some sort of auto-remote-configure tool.
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23:35<kop>brianwillis1984 : you were looking to see that eth0 (at least) was defined and that it was turned on automatcialy with an 'auto' clause.
23:35<altaner>kop: Ok, thank you. I'll think I could start with it.
23:35<brianwillis1984>i seen
23:35<brianwillis1984>something like
23:36<brianwillis1984>auto eth1
23:36<brianwillis1984>auto lo eth1 ? i think i saw...
23:36<brianwillis1984>kind of a pain to be running from up and down stairs lol
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23:36<brianwillis1984>kop: if possible could u give me like a list of commands to run..to save on the trips
23:37<blinkz>hi can some one tell me where i can find what type of wifi i got
23:37<kop>brianwillis1984 : here's mine: http://pastebin.ca/1326889
23:37<gsimmons>!tell blinkz -about what's my wireless
23:37<kop>blinkz : dunno. Maybe lspci?
23:38<brianwillis1984>kop: nothing like that on my screen
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23:38<kop>brianwillis1984 : I'm using a static ip, not getting an ip from dhcp. You?
23:38<brianwillis1984>kop: it stops after this auto eth1
23:38<brianwillis1984>me im useing dhcp i guess
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23:40<kop>brianwillis1984 : You probably want to "dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown". I think that's the package to reconfigure. I forget.
23:40<blinkz>does any one kno if tinyxp works with wifi
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23:40<brianwillis1984>so try running that command
23:40<tek>what is tinyxp
23:40<kop>brianwillis1984 : That should ask you about your network configuration and re-set it up.
23:41<brianwillis1984>k let me try that
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23:48<brianwillis1984>kop: bad command "dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown"
23:48<brianwillis1984>doesnt work
23:49<kop>brianwillis1984 : You gotta be root: su -
23:49<brianwillis1984>do i feel retard
23:49<brianwillis1984>lol
23:49<brianwillis1984>k
23:49<brianwillis1984>let me retry that
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23:53<brianwillis1984>kop: nothing happen just went to the next line nothing else
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23:54<kop>brianwillis1984 : Poo. Must be the wrong package.
23:55<brianwillis1984>must be bud
23:55<brianwillis1984>dont know if it will help
23:55<brianwillis1984>but when i first installed it...i was haveing problems it wouldnt autoconfig...so i just skipped it and said" i'll worry about it later"
23:56<kop>brianwillis1984 : Let's see what the docs at debian.org say about getting the prompts for reconfiguring network.
23:56<kop>brianwillis1984 : That'd be why then. No configuration.
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23:56<kop>brianwillis1984 : I always use an editor (I'm an emacs guy), but you probably want prompts to keep things simple.
23:58<brianwillis1984>kop: so what do u purpose i do
23:59<kop>brianwillis1984 : Humm. Perhaps wait for someone more brainful. I'm tired. A quick glance looks like ifupdown is the right package to reconfigure. What version of debian are you running?
23:59<brianwillis1984>4.0
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