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---Logopened Fri Feb 06 00:00:47 2009
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00:13<Xenguy>malt: use ekiga (free software) instead
00:17<malt>I don't think debian is seeing my usb
00:17<malt>I hook something up and PC runs like nothing was plugged in, but light comes on
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00:18<Xenguy>I personally will not help with non-free software (e.g. skype)
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00:20<malt>what it's basically free, unlimited calling in united states+ they make there own hardware.
00:21<malt>only $2
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00:23<superjet_busy>which pool that debian-install from sid will install, sid or lenny?
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00:26<malt>my usb isn't even picking up on debian
00:26<malt>weird?
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00:35<chealer>superjet_busy: what debian-install from sid?
00:37<enouf>superjet_busy: what sid has debian-install?
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00:43<rotciV>how do i install .pcf fonts?
00:44<superjet_busy>chealer enouf: debian-installer
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00:46<superjet_busy>ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/
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00:48<blarson>superjet_busy: I think it defaunts to lenny, but in expert mode can select any compatable version (probably lenny or sid at this point).
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00:49<superjet_busy>blarson: got it, thanks
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00:52<rotciV>any repository has gnome 2.24 already?
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00:56<malt>will debian at least let me load my mp3 player? with the default cd creator?
00:56<malt>instead of burning cd
00:57<blarson>malt: You use different programs.
00:57<malt>what's a good one to start out with
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00:58<blarson>malt: Assuming your mp3 player mounts as a drive, cp .
00:58<malt>Yeah it has to convert it
00:59<malt>I think
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01:06<syno872>does anybody know the mount option: noatime & relatime....will there be any performance different to use them?
01:06<jm_>the answer is no, not anybody does
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01:11<chealer>rotciV: no official repository has it completely
01:11<chealer>!tell rotciV about gnome
01:11<chealer>^^ for a more detailed answer
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01:12<rotciV>ty
01:13<dondelelcaro>syno872: there's a performance component, but some things track the atime
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01:26<rotciV>does anybody knows a software that allow me to "manage" or install .pcf fonts? i've been trying and it's not working
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01:47<ike>some critical flaws have been found in firefox 3.0.5, doesnt seem to be a new one in the repo
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01:48<jm_>ike: but there is
01:48<ike>oh
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01:49<ike>ah yes there it is
01:49<ike>iceweasel
01:49<ike>it was hiding in the corner
01:50<kyle_>greetings. I'm having a bit of trouble after upgrading to lenny- I've got my debian box doing ip masquerading for a local network with shorewall. If I ever do a /etc/init.d/networking restart, the hosts behind the debian system can't connect to anything outside the network (although, they can ping things). Rebooting fixes it. ip_forwarding is on. Any ideas?
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01:57<giacomo>iao
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02:01<darksmurf>ok..stupid question. I am working on a machine that was setup about two years ago by someone who is no longer around. He made many changes to the system. How can I tell what, if any, MTA I have running? (Debian 4)
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02:02<darksmurf>I have tried 'man' for qmail, sendmail, procmail..nothing. Local mail delivery works ('mail root')
02:02<jm_>netstat -nap|grep 25
02:03<jm_>or perhaps :25 for less stuff printed
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02:04<darksmurf>thanks! (exim)
02:05<jm_>should be visible in mail headers too
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02:07<darksmurf>it seems exim4 was installed. I am playing with Zarafa, an Exchange Server work-alike. It seems to support Qmail, Procmail PostFix, . Any suggestions?
02:08<jm_>my suggestion is run away from anything that is even remotely similar to exchange
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02:09<akash>CONNECT irc.freenode.net
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02:10<darksmurf>It is simply something to play with. I am trying to get a free activesync server setup. Messing with this taught me about Z-Push (Zarafa uses it to connect to windows mobile phones, iPhone, etc) so that is my next area of research.
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02:19<loke_>hola
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02:20<somae7>how can I find what /dev assignment our sata card dvd has?
02:21<jm_>somae7: grep 1 /sys/blocks/*/removable
02:21<jm_>/sys/block
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02:23<hko>hello, anybody has experience with an OpenVZ VPS with lenny?
02:23<somae7>jm: thanks - sr0 would be it?
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02:24<jm_>somae7: indeed
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02:25<somae7>thanks again - bye
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02:25<hko>im trying to install sudo, so far Lenny doesnt find the package with apt-get. Is sudo avaible with apt-get or i need to install from source?
02:26<jm_>hko: it is available in lenny
02:27<hko>with apt-get install sudo, i get Could'nt find package sudo
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02:28<jm_>apt-cache policy sudo
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02:29<hko>W: Unable to locate package sudo
02:30<hko>OpenVZ vps, lenny i386 basic install (105 mb used space)
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02:32<jm_>run this first: apt-get update
02:32<hko>alredy run it, and still the same problem
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02:33<hko>sorry for the noob type question
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02:34<blarson>hko: Sound like a problem with your sources.list
02:34<jm_>indeed, check your sources.list
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02:34<hko>ok, can you point me to a couple of sources please
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02:34<jm_>man sources.list has examples
02:35<blarson>!tell hko about sources.list
02:35<jm_>but generally installer creates it for you
02:35<jm_>or tools like netselect-apt
02:36<hko>ok, will read the help from sources
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02:37<hko>thnks
02:37<superjet_busy>dialog window of iceweasel jump up at top of iceweasel main window then out of the desktop when press save in gnome, howto to disable it? it's running lenny with gnome plus compiz
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03:22<VIB-host>hallo guys, i previously asked this group how it was best to delete a lot of files with a special exstension (.html) you was so kindly to give me the right answer and i did wrote it down at my forum, however, an opgrade of the forum has deleted all the text :( Therefore i will kindly request the answer again
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03:25<jm_>VIB-host: info find
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03:34<VIB-host>find /path1/path2/ -name "*.php" | rm (and what to add here) ?
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03:36<jm_>find command has -delete action
03:37<petern>or | xargs rm
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03:41<VIB-host>jm_ your right :) -delete and then it was they told me to add something like + { } but i'm not sure about the syntax here
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03:42<jm_>you don't need the {} \;
03:43<VIB-host>jm_ aaahhhh found it :) "-exec COMMAND {} +"
03:43<jm_>no, the point of -delete is to not use -exec
03:45<VIB-host>jm_ this one worked and thanks for your time "find /usr/share/samba/windows_share/websites/gndihost.com -name "*.php" -exec rm {} +"
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03:46<tater>hello im still new to debian and linux all together but could someone tell me how to install lm-sensors
03:46<jm_>the same way you install any other package
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03:47<tater>i downloaded it from the web and now i have its folder and dont know what to do from there
03:47<jm_>no, it's packaged in Debian
03:47<tater>i didnt find it on the synpatic
03:48<jm_>look harder
03:48<tater>ive tried that why i just went to the web and downloaded it
03:49<tater>i even typed in just sensors and didnt find anything
03:49<jm_>judd versions lm-sensors
03:49<judd>jm_: lm-sensors -- etch: 1:2.10.1-3 lenny: 1:3.0.2-1+b2 sid: 1:3.0.2-2 experimental: 1:3.0.3-1
03:49<jm_>there, it's available in all
03:49<jm_>!tell tater -about search
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04:00<tater>how can i find out what Architecture i have
04:00<jm_>dpkg --print-architecture
04:00<dpkg>jm_: I give up, what is it?
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04:04<frunsk>hi i get this Xorg error : "(EE) [drm] Could not set DRM device bus ID.\n(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI."
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04:04<frunsk>the questions are: should i disable dri entirely or should i try to fis this?
04:04<frunsk>s/fis/fix
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04:32<enouf>frunsk: wrong device bus id?
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04:34<frunsk>enouf, lspci -v ?
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04:35<enouf>frunsk: or lspci -n - but yeah, -v should do - did you alter your xorg.conf?
04:36<frunsk>enouf, i added a Option "AIGLX" "false" in Section "ServerFlags"
04:37<enouf>frunsk: any reason?
04:37<frunsk>enouf, i had problems with that too
04:37<enouf>pastebin lspci -v and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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04:40<tater>im haveing problems make user? do i have to be in root to do that?
04:40<abysed>yes
04:40<abysed>only root can
04:40<tater>thanks
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04:40<dr|z3d>or you can gksudo
04:41<tater>well this is whats going on make user make: *** No rule to make target `user'. Stop.
04:41<abysed>are you trying to add a new user to the system?
04:41<blarson>tater: The command is adduser
04:41<jm_>are you still trying to install lm-sensors?
04:41<tater>yea
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04:41<jm_>install the package, stop using source tarball
04:41<tater>thats what its telling me in the manual install
04:41<frunsk>enouf, lspci http://paste.debian.net/27766/
04:42<jm_>apt-get install lm-sensors
04:42<jm_>how hard can that be
04:42<frunsk>enouf, xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/27767/
04:42<tater>yea tryed that and said something about being obslted to old
04:42<EmleyMoor>tater: But working as opposed to not working...
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04:43<tater>jm_: this is what it says for me E: Package lm-sensors has no installation candidate
04:43<dr|z3d>Try aptitude install lm-sensors and see if you get solution proposals, tater.
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04:44<jm_>tater: does "apt-get update" work?
04:44<tater>this is what i see http://pastebin.com/m15be4973
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04:45<tater>yea i can get updates
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04:46<jm_>tater: paste your sources.list there too
04:49<tater>cant "Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved"
04:49<EmleyMoor>tater: Use paste.debian.net
04:49<EmleyMoor>(ICBW - hold on)
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04:50<EmleyMoor>That's right
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04:50<tater>http://paste.debian.net/27768/
04:50<jm_>tater: there are many pastebins out there, pastebin.ca too
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04:51<EmleyMoor>tater: You have only security updates... you need the rest too
04:51<enouf>frunsk: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:52<tater>ok....how im new to linux still learning things
04:52<frunsk>enouf, http://paste.debian.net/27769/
04:52<EmleyMoor>How did you install in the first place?
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04:53<tater>installed securtiy updates?
04:53<EmleyMoor>No - installed the software generallf
04:53<EmleyMoor>generally
04:54<tater>oh off of a live cd...downloaded it off the net and made an iso
04:54<EmleyMoor>You need a line like this in your /etc/apt/sources.list:
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04:55<EmleyMoor>deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main
04:55<EmleyMoor>(use a nearer mirror if you can)
04:55<EmleyMoor>(contrib and non-free are up to you)
04:55<enouf>frunsk: well, i see no section at all in xorg.conf -> Section "ServerLayout" but im not sure it's needed
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04:56<tater>EmleyMoor: what is this what do i need not really understanding please dont give up on me for asking that
04:57<EmleyMoor>tater: Can you edit plain text files on the system?
04:57<jm_>!tell tater -about non-free
04:57<jm_>!tell tater -about contrib
04:57<enouf>frunsk: if you wanted to add a bus id entry under section; you'd use BusID "00:02:0" for your internal display - place that below Identifier "Configured Video Device" , heck, also add Driver "intel" .. man intel and man xorg.conf for more
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04:58<enouf>frunsk: is libgl1-mesa-dri and -glx installed?
04:58<frunsk>enouf, i should probably disable drm... since it gets disabled by default
04:58<frunsk>enouf, libgl1-mesa-dri it is
04:59<enouf>frunsk: you've loaded the kernel drm module?
05:00<frunsk>enouf, $ lsmod | grep drm\ndrm 65256 2 i915\nagpgart 28776 3 drm,intel_agp
05:02<tater>ok so i download the ls-lR.gz now what
05:02<EmleyMoor>tater: Why did you do that?
05:02<enouf>frunsk: ok, well, i don't see Option "dri" ...or many others in your xorg.conf, so when you say you're going to disable it, not sure what you mean
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05:03<EmleyMoor>Just add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
05:03<EmleyMoor>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main
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05:05<EmleyMoor>Having done so, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude install lm-sensors
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05:07<frunsk>enouf, drm gets disabled ... and sometimes my X server crashes... so i thought i might disable it by default... i guess my xorg.conf file is messed up
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05:21<ravi>aren't there any sarge mirrors alive now?
05:22<petemc>you can use archive.debian.org
05:22<petemc>obviously theres no new packages there
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05:23<ravi>no, I don't need new packages. thanks!
05:23<petemc>np
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06:39<wosu>mm, i want to check if a command (ie:/bin/ps) is corrupted, how or where could i find the original md5sum ?
06:40<jackyf>wosu: use debsums
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06:43<wosu>thank you jackyf, i am reading the man page ;)
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06:48<wosu>problem solved, thank you jackyf
06:48<jackyf>wosu: :)
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07:20<ike>weird. grep-2.5.3~dfsg/doc/grep.texi failed
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07:20<matttis>When Lenny gets stable next week, can I just apt-get update, apt-get upgrade to get my etch to lenny?
07:21<dr|z3d>Probably apt-get dist-upgrade
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07:21<matttis>ah, right
07:21<matttis>ok, thx
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07:22<ike>anyone know what that grep.texi file is supposed to contain?
07:22<matttis>and where do I see if 14.2. is the true date or not?
07:23<stefansb>What is the debian port suitable for the Intel Pentium Dual-Core Mobile T2370?
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07:24<ike>the 64 bit?
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07:24<stefansb>Yes, the 64bit.
07:24<OdyX>stefansb: amd64
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07:26<stefansb>Are you sure? I thought it was ia64 ...
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07:26<ike>hm, that doc/grep.texti is not present in the original grep from gnu
07:27<OdyX>stefansb: look in Wikipedia for IA64 - I doubt your "Mobile" Pentium is of that sort...
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07:29<stefansb>Many thanks, OdyX :)
07:30<OdyX>np
07:30<Yanson>if the latest stable is .18, why did the stable net install cd give me .24?
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07:33<gsimmons>Yanson: Did you use an "etchnhalf" image? This installs a 2.6.24 kernel by default.
07:33<Yanson>Linux edna 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 2 17:21:26 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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07:34<Yanson>not really sure why/how i did it or what the difference is
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07:36<Yanson>anyway, can i install a newer kernel?
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07:36<wosu>"matttis => When Lenny gets stable next week." does it mean lenny will become the new debian LTS ?
07:37<enouf>Yanson: /msg dpkg bpo
07:37<enouf>Yanson: etch-backports has a .26
07:37<enouf>of arch -amd64 though? not sure
07:37<Yanson>stable?
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07:38<enouf>barn?
07:39<Yanson>what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
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07:39<dr|z3d>aptitude has dependency manual resolution built in, and is a bit more verbose.
07:39<enouf>see debian-reference - /msg dpkg {why aptitude,why apt-get}
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07:40<enouf>Yanson: apt-get versions in Lenny have all new things that make it much better at dep resolution
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07:40<bzed>apttitude falied to upgrade a simple etch install with some extra python packages
07:40<enouf>(and maybe also in backports? dunno )
07:40<bzed>apt-get always worked well for me
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07:42<DocWolf>mornin all
07:42<DocWolf>got a question if anyones awake?
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07:43<enouf>!8ball what's DocWolf 's question, and do we want to know?
07:43<dpkg>Negative.
07:43<DocWolf>lol
07:44<DocWolf>actgualy I'm using amarok and it will play mp3's off my drive but not lastfm channels any idea how to fix it?
07:44<craigevil>did you set it up with your last.fm user info?
07:44<OdyX>!8ball Will Debian Lenny Release ?
07:44<dpkg>Absolutely.
07:44<DocWolf>yup put the username and pw in says it doesnt support the media type wich is why i'm so puzzled
07:45<craigevil>i use shell-fm to play last.fm
07:45<craigevil>might just be missing a codecs
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07:46<DocWolf>hmm whats the command to check because last.fm is mp3 and so is whats coming off the hd
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08:02<DocWolf>now to figure out how to set the primary browser
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08:03<stefansb>exit
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08:07<OdyX>DocWolf: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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08:08<DocWolf>thanks thats the full bash i need then?
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08:16<bez>help
08:16<bez>list
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08:18<dr|z3d>!tell bez about help
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08:21<enouf>craigevil: i'm trying out shell-fm now, i installed it, then went to lastfm and created a user account, all went well there - then i opened shell-fm in an xterm, got a Login: prompt, entered my username, got a Password: prompt, entered passwd, and it just hangs - what am i missing?
08:21<blockowitsch>hello. does anyone know where the kde start menu settings are stored? my father used 'd' as a short key for a menu entry and removed the entry after that...unfortunely d is still reserverd as short key and is unusable now...
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08:22<craigevil>you have to create a .shell-fm then copy /usr/share/doc/shell-fm/examples/shell-fm.rc-example and set up your login info
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08:23<themill>blockowitsch: kcontrol centre -> regional -> keyboard shortcuts
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08:24<enouf>craigevil: ahh .. i see man shell-fm-config now as well - thanks
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08:25<craigevil>too me a few minutes of googling and looking through the various shell-fm files to get it all figured out
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08:26<blockowitsch>themill: cheers...lets hope he finds it :D
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08:30<lemonzest>just installed the gcj web applet for iceweasle and its crashing on standard test page and at gnu classpath page (i'm running amd64)
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08:33<n0x1337__>hello, I cannot install Debian on my Dell notebook. I think its because the Intel IRRT technology, because the system posts hdd I/O failures during the installation, but of course i do not know if this is the problem. can someone please help me?
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08:34<OdyX>which Dell ?
08:34<n0x1337__>E6400 notebook
08:34<n0x1337__>if u wish i can search for a link with my hardware configuration
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08:35<peej>n0x1337__, : which debian version? How are you installing?
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08:36<n0x1337__>i downloaded the netinst iso version 40r6 and i tried the daily built netinstaller yesterday
08:37<jm_>n0x1337__: so you also tried with lenny and 2.6.26 kernel?
08:37<enouf>wtf is irrt tech? is that EFI related?
08:38<n0x1337__>am i allowed to post links?
08:38<bzed>n0x1337__: yes, but please give lenny a try. chances that it'll work on recent hardware are *much* higher.
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08:39<blockowitsch>n0x1337__: you really should think about using lenny. even if it would not solve your current problem, there is no reason to stay with etch
08:39<n0x1337__>i think i downloaded lenny - the daily built version
08:39<blockowitsch>4.0r6 doesn't sound like lenny
08:40<craigevil>4.0 is etch, lenny is 5.0
08:40<peej>n0x1337__, lenny is 5.0
08:40<n0x1337__>i know, i downloaded two images
08:40<n0x1337__>debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
08:40<n0x1337__>does this sond like lenny?
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08:40<blockowitsch>where did you download it?
08:40<blockowitsch>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- that's the lenny installer
08:42<n0x1337__>thats what i downloaded
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08:42<n0x1337__>i also tried the daily built images at the bottom of the site
08:42<craigevil>you might try using cd 1 rather than the netinstall
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08:44<blockowitsch>themill: do you know in which config file the shortcut settings are stored? i need to modify it via ssh and can't use the gui
08:44<peej>n0x1337__, could be a bug then in the net installer. Let the netinstall people know and they'll be happy to fix it.
08:44<jm_>n0x1337__: so you need to post examples of errors/use troubleshooting kernel parameters
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08:46<n0x1337__>uff, i'll first try using "cd 1" of the normal lenny install and see if this works. if it does ill post to the netinst-people
08:46<jm_>that's the same thing just with more software, won't change a thing
08:48<themill>blockowitsch: urgh... ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals I think, Possibly khotkeysrc. Depends in what context it was defined, but I think probably the latter, from what you say.
08:48<Ikarus>hrm, when running X -configure on a lenny install (uh, of yesterday) I get the error: Emulator asked to make a suspect long access to port 0 (0x0000); terminatingand it terminates with signal 11
08:49<themill>blockowitsch: it it were something easier to grep for you'd have more luck.... (I found them by grepping for Win+? shortcuts that I have defined)
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08:51<blockowitsch>themill: i'll try my luck on grepping around
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08:51<n0x1337__>okay, i'll download this "debian-Lenny-DI-rc2-i386-CD-1.iso" and try to install it. is there a debug mode or something, so that i can post you helpfull data to solve my problem with debian?
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08:52<blockowitsch>lol oh my god, they use full sentenses as keys for the kde configs!! :D
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08:52<zulu>sorry for this stupid question but, when I do hostname -s I get blaou when I do host blaou I get: blaou does not exist, try again later
08:53<zulu>I have a blaou entry in my /etc/hosts
08:53<ale_ryu>Hi guys, I'm having a little issue with apache2 and php5. I have installed through apt apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 and php5, running a php_info(); test shows it's working properly, but somehow when y try to access another file the browser asks if I want to download it instead of executing the php code. Any clues will be greatly appreciated
08:54<themill>blockowitsch: no, that's the description of the event. That actually saves one level of indirection in displaying the name of the event.
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08:57<enouf>themill: is kdcop useful here?
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08:57<themill>possibly.... can't imagine how, but probably... running kcontrolcentre (or kmenuedit) over the ssh link would probably be even easier
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08:59<enouf>i found kmenu*rc in that dir/ you mentioned
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09:00<enouf>and i completely missed that 'over ssh, no gui' post
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09:04<zulu>I dont understand typing ping myhost resolv the ip while host myhost don't
09:04<zulu>in my nsswitch.conf I said files first
09:05<seanius>ale_ryu: flush your browser cache
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09:05<jm_>zulu: ping uses resolver, host can just do DNS lookups, depending on version etc.
09:06<frank>i guess host does not use resolv.conf
09:06<frank>-not
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09:06<enouf>heh
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09:08<jm_>zulu: use 'getent hosts' to test it
09:10<zulu>ok
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09:17<rotciV>where should i put my .pcf fonts so i can use them?
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09:19<jm_>rotciV: in fontpath
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09:19<rotciV>jm_, /usr/share/fonts?
09:19<rotciV>srry i'm a n00b :S
09:20<jm_>rotciV: I would advise against using that - better create a new dir and add it to font path
09:20<jm_>say /usr/local/fonts or somesuch
09:20<rotciV>jm_, i created ~/.fonts but it didn't work
09:20<rotciV>jm_, i threw all my .pcf fonts there
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09:21<rotciV>i'll try /usr/local/fonts
09:21<jm_>rotciV: that is only use by fontconfig
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09:22<rotciV>jm_, "that" you mean the .pcf fonts?
09:22<jm_>rotciV: no, that as in ~/.fonts - and it requires you enable some option
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09:23<rotciV>jm_, mmm... is it too much options? could you "guide" me? =X
09:23<jm_>it needs to support bitmapped fonts
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09:23<jm_>rotciV: mkdir /usr/local/fonts && cd /usr/local/fonts; copy fonts here; run mkfontdir, ad /usr/local/fonts to fontpath in xorg.conf or using xset fp+, should work
09:23<jm_>ad=add
09:24<rotciV>jm_, ok, i'll try
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09:26<rotciV>jm_, mkfontdir is a command?
09:26<rotciV>how should i proceed with mkfontdir? =X
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09:27<dr|z3d>rotciV: man mkfontdir has info.
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09:27<rotciV>alright, already did it
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09:27<jm_>rotciV: yes
09:28<rotciV>dr|z3d, thx :)
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09:36<rotciV>thx guys, i'm out cya
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09:50<etech>is it easy to upgrade from one mandriva version to the next?
09:50<etech>oh sorry
09:50<Aurora>what is it :)
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09:51<Aurora>Hi etech
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09:53<Aurora>Hello Everybody
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09:55<tata>oi
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10:07<Guest157>ciao a tutti
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10:08<marco_>ciao
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10:08<marco_>c'è nessuno
10:08<marco_>???
10:08<marco_>=)
10:08<OdyX>!tell marco about it
10:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 378] by debhelper
10:09<marco_>posso fare una domanda
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10:09<OdyX>marco_: yes you can - but in english
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10:09<marco_>sorry i don't speak english very well
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10:10<marco_>bye see you later
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10:11<tata>oi
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10:12<tata>td bom?
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10:12<OdyX>!tell tata about br
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10:17<krlos>hi debianitas....
10:18<OdyX>Hi
10:20<musix>hola
10:20<musix>alguien sabria decirme pq me van mal todos los videos q pongo
10:20<musix>xD
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10:20<pepe>ola
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10:20<musix>ola
10:20<pepe>kien eres
10:20<musix>Fer
10:21<musix>xD
10:21<pepe>fer??
10:21<pepe>de dnd
10:21<musix>aunq esto me ha renombrao a musix
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10:21<musix>de madrid
10:21<OdyX>!es
10:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:22<pepe>y las tias buenas
10:22<EeppinenFailuri>install problem
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10:22<OdyX>EeppinenFailuri: !ask
10:22<OdyX>!ask
10:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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10:23<EeppinenFailuri>trying to install from usb, it boots but dosnt continue to install. only syslinux text line showing
10:23<musix>En este sitio se puede hablar spañol?
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10:24<cahoot>!es
10:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:24<OdyX>EeppinenFailuri: Can you see the Debian-Installer prompt ?
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10:25<EeppinenFailuri>amd64cd1.iso, initrd.gz, ldlinux.sys, syslinux.cfg, vmlinuz files on usb
10:26<EeppinenFailuri>default vmlinuz
10:26<EeppinenFailuri>append initrd=initrd.gz
10:26<EeppinenFailuri>those lines in the .cfg file
10:26<EeppinenFailuri>only that syslinux line or 2
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10:27<EeppinenFailuri>dosnt continue to load initrd.gz or vmlinuz?!
10:27<usuario>usuario
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10:28<musix>I have problem with video codecs
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10:29<EeppinenFailuri>what i'm doing wrong?
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10:29<EeppinenFailuri>version is 5.0 rc2 btw
10:30<EeppinenFailuri>4.0r6 didnt work from dvd
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10:31<EeppinenFailuri>no ideas?
10:32<n0x1337__>hi, i am back. i tried to install the version 5 with the posted iso. when the installation process detected my "CD-DRIVER" it wrote something with "SUGGEST_OK", then a "Hardware Error [current]" came next. There was also written "Add. Sense: Timeout on logical unit" and "end_request I/O error". I dont know if this information is helpfull. I still try to install Debian on my Dell Latitude E6400. Can someone help me please?
10:32<musix>what are you triing to installl eeppinen?
10:33<EeppinenFailuri>5.0 rc2
10:34<musix>with flash?
10:34<musix>i never try it
10:35<peej>n0x1337__, it may actually indicate a cd error
10:36<peej>oh hang on
10:36<n0x1337__>okay
10:36<peej>n0x1337__, what media are you installing from?
10:36<n0x1337__>a "normal" 700mb CD
10:36<n0x1337__>burned myself
10:37<peej>what is the last bit it does?
10:37<peej>during install
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10:37<peej>attempt
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10:38<peej>it ends on "end_request I/O error" ?
10:38<n0x1337__>yes, it attempts again and again and after, hmm 10 times, the installation aborts
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10:39<n0x1337__>but there are also high increasing numbers, maybe blocks or something it tryes to read in combination with this errors
10:39<peej>hmmm. maybe the probing of cd driver disrupts the install from cd.
10:40<n0x1337__>is there a workaround or do i have to change the install-media
10:40<peej>the numbers thing with errors usually indicates a drive/media error. Normally I'd say cd rom or drive buggered.
10:40<peej>n0x1337__, try letting the drive and cd cool down and try again. Maybe give the cd a wipe.
10:41<peej>otoh it maybe be an install bug
10:41<n0x1337__>i will do, thanks for your help. is it a possibility to install under windows or change the drive?
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10:42<peej>dunno. There is a fine manual that goes into that in excruciating detail.
10:42<musix>How can i get codecs for video ?
10:42<peej>musix: install mplayer
10:42<n0x1337__>okay, i will follow your ideas, thanks a lot
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10:43<peej>n0x1337__, if you have access to a usb cd drive that might be an option
10:44<n0x1337__>maybe i can get one, okay
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10:45<peej>n0x1337__, and maybe there's a simpler way of just dumping the installer on a drive and running it somehow. Like I say, rtfm.
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10:45<n0x1337__>i will rtfm =)
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10:47<peej>musix: check if you need codecs or video output options.
10:47<jthomas>what do I need to do to allow OpenOffice to be able to open files over the network?
10:48<musix><peej> how can i check it? I can see video, but not great quality
10:48<jthomas>sftp:// is how I browse to them in Konqueror; click and OpenOffice.org starts but doesn't open the file
10:48<musix><peej> updating multimedia ?
10:49<peej>musics: have a look through mplayer -vo help options
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10:49<musix>peej: oks
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10:50<Halitech>howdy folks, I know this is probably a dumb question but I can't seem to find an answer, I'm using Lenny and my swap is slowly being filled, is there anyway of manually clearing it?
10:50<musix><peej> it return something like : Error parsing option on the comand line : -vo
10:51<Halitech>I know I can reboot to clear it but is there any other way?
10:51<koollman>Halitech: there's no need to clear it.
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10:51<koollman>Halitech: 'free' swap space is pretty much waste of space. (just like for ram)
10:51<Halitech>koollman, if RAM isnt being used then shouldn't it empty the swap?
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10:52<koollman>Halitech: no, why ?
10:52<koollman>emptying it requires more operation than doing nothing about it :)
10:52<koollman>and, if space is needed later, old parts will be overwritten
10:52<peej>koollman: wonderfully succint.
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10:53<peej>I had a mental catechism that mirrored your answers.
10:53<Halitech>koollman, I just thought it should empty if its not being used ... so basically if its not in use right now it just sits there as files written to the drive and if/when it becomes full it just over writes what is there?
10:54<Halitech>koollman, so it being at 50% full won't have any effect on my system as far as speed goes?
10:55<cahoot>Halitech: maybe you should consider why swap is used at all
10:56<Halitech>cahoot, usually it starts filling when I'm doing a video re-encode and trying to do other things at the same time
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10:56<cahoot>Halitech: I guess videoediting needs a lot of memory
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10:58<Halitech>it does, I keep debating on upgrading the ram but I'm still using sdram and its not worth the money to buy it when I could put the money towards a better system that uses ddr ram but havent got the money for that at the moment
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11:00<OdyX>Halitech: "full swap" is not necessarily "swap is fully used"... it could be cache pages and such...
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11:03<koollman>Halitech: swap is used as a special way to 'extend' your ram, but it works differently than what you think. basically, when more ram is needed, one 'page' of ram is swapped to the disk, and the free ram page is used.
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11:04<koollman>Halitech: later, if the old page of ram is needed, it's read back from the swap to the ram (possibly provoking more swapping of other, unused pages)
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11:04<koollman>Halitech: once the memory isn't needed anymore, the 'on disk' part doesn't need to be deleted (that would be a disk access, slow operation)
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11:05<weasel>quite important for performance are caches and buffers
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11:05<weasel>if the kernel cannot cache stuff then it needs to go to slow disk every time you need something. stuff starts to crawl.
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11:06<koollman>yes. but the point was, non-empty swap does not indicate bad performance. swapping (number of page to/from disk per second) is a better indicator
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11:07<koollman>swap usage means 'some time in the past, more ram was needed for something'
11:07<jthomas>Halitech you could i suppose run 'sync' as root; then run 'swapoff /dev/hdxy' to turn off the swap; then run 'swapon /dev/hdxy' to turn it back on... but agreed, it'll cause more slowdowns that way than just leaving it be
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11:08<Halitech>koollman, ok so unless my ram and swap both become full and I'm noticing a big system hit, just let things run as is
11:08<koollman>Halitech: exactly
11:08<Halitech>jthomas, I was wondering about that but didn't want to do it in case something went south on me before asking others
11:08<koollman>Halitech: and, if your system is slow, it's probably because it comes from the last century :)
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11:09<Halitech>koollman, well, parts of it are ~L~ P4 1.8 with 896 meg of ram
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11:10<OdyX>AFAIK, you don't even need to sync to swapoff...
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12:00<Nickname>What's wrong with this command?
12:00<Nickname>tar xvzf ventrilo_srv-3.0.3-Linux-i386.tar gz -C /home/anne/data/Install/ventrilo
12:01<fxiny>xvz
12:01<goodger>Nickname: the filename should end in "tar.gz", not "tar gz"?
12:02<fxiny>x or z ? can't be both
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12:02<Nickname>goodger: Thanx
12:02<peej>fxiny, sure it can. x for extract, z for compressed stuff being extracted.
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12:02<Nickname>i gues I missread it from the tutor
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12:04<fxiny>peej: ohh yes , i'm not using z or j anymore since tar detects compression , i'm not even using tar : i use unp
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12:05<Nickname>next question... How do I copy all files in a dir to another dir?
12:06<goodger>Nickname: cp /dir/* /dir2/
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12:06<Nickname>goodger: Will cp *.* /dir2/ work?
12:07<metalqga>nickname try using mc
12:07<goodger>Nickname: if you're already in /dir/, yes. but you only need *, not *.*
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12:08<weasel>that will skip dotfiles.
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12:10<fxiny>unp is a beast , any compressed zip rar gx bzip2 , damn good , on a rar it fires file up to get the file type right. very nice indeed
12:10<fxiny>gz*
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12:13<roby>hi
12:13<roby>ciao raga!!
12:14<roby>come uso xchat???
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12:16<metalqga>!it
12:16<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:16<metalqga>ops
12:17<Nickname>how do I start a server, I've just installed ventrillo on a tb debian and I do not know how to start it
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12:19<skarphace>Receiving a segfault when trying to run any of my browsers. It appears that ld-2.7.so is the culprit. Running Lenny-amd64. Any guesses as to a fix?
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12:20<skarphace>Feb 6 10:09:30 lifter kernel: [ 1418.025796] firefox-bin[4148]: segfault at 7f0f3c40ed18 ip 7f0f3e8e4216 sp 7fff46af1c50 error 6 in ld-2.7.so[7f0f3e8d9000+1c000]
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12:21<fxiny>i have 6 browsers in my etch
12:22<fxiny>i can add two more
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12:25<skarphace>Wasn't able to find any relevant info through google. Any suggestions appreciated.
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12:26<fxiny>skarphace: i have no idea , i'm not on 64 , wait for a 64 user ?
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12:27<fxiny>some sites are nasty , on my etch firefrog3 can kill x easy
12:28<skarphace>I don't even get to the point of a window opening.
12:28<metalqga>tried to run it in a terminal window? it will show you some more info
12:28<skarphace>All it gives out is "Segmentation Fault" I only found out about ld from the logs.
12:29<frank>tried strace?
12:30<skarphace>frank: hrm. Some interesting info there.
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12:31<chealer>skarphace: since when?
12:32<skarphace>chealer: Since a few minutes ago after final install and setup.
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12:32<Nickname>When I want to start my ventrilo sever debain sais
12:32<Nickname>bash: ./ventrilo_srv: cannot execute binary file
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12:33<skarphace>Nickname: What are it's permissions?
12:34<skarphace>Nickname: ls -la ventrilo_srv
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12:36<Nickname>-rwxr-x--- 1 root root 468420 Feb 6 18:09 ventrilo_srv
12:36<frank>what does file say?
12:37<Nickname>??
12:37<frank>file ventrilos_srv
12:37<frank>file ventrilo_srv
12:37<Nickname>ventrilo_srv: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
12:38<skarphace>Nickname: chown <username>:<groupname> ventrilo_srv
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12:39<skarphace>Nickname: put your user and group in place of my placeholders.
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12:39<Nickname>doh... I'm just a newbee running an Debina textbase server, how do I know what group I'm in
12:40<skarphace>Nickname: run this: groups
12:40<frank>id
12:41<frank>you are running x86 or different architecture?
12:41<Nickname>doesn't say a thing
12:41<Nickname>different, running debian_etch on a NSLU2
12:42<Nickname>tho it might be x86
12:42<skarphace>Nickname: Then just this: chown <username>: ventrilo_srv
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12:43<Nickname>no answer
12:43<ivanhoe>hello evryone, i try to import a public key in gnu pg but i cant
12:43<frank>nslu2 has a arm cpu
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12:43<Nickname>yes
12:43<ivanhoe>mi friend give me a plain text how can i import his key?
12:43<skarphace>Nickname: Good. Now ls it again and you should be owner instead of root.
12:43<frank>but you got x86 binary
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12:46<Nickname>now I'm getting confused... what sould I try now
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12:47<chealer>skarphace: what about other applications?
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12:48<frank>Nickname: what does "uname -i -m" say
12:48<Nickname>armv5tel unknown
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12:49<Nickname>uname -a
12:49<Nickname>Linux NSLU2-Debian 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx #1 Thu Oct 16 01:45:43 UTC 2008 armv5tel GNU/Linux
12:50<frank>you can only run binaries fitting to your hardware
12:50<Nickname>so, ventrilo_srv will not work on a arm cpu
12:50<frank>which means which are compiled for the architecture your using
12:51<frank>not the x86 binary
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12:51<Nickname>or I have to compile this x86 architecure to my arm architecture
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12:52<frank>if you got the source ..
12:52<Nickname>I gues I do, i think I've done it before
12:52<Nickname>it's been a while tho
12:53<frank>you can try compiling/cross-compiling it
12:53<Nickname>Not today thank you... I'll try it later
12:54<Nickname>Updating my debian, that would be:
12:54<Nickname>apt-get updat
12:54<Nickname>apt-get upgrade
12:54<Nickname>Wouldn't it
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12:56<Nickname>Ventrilo does not give sourcefiles... :( can it be recompiled to arm?
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12:57<frank>how should that work?
12:58<Nickname>I do not know, I'm the noob here
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12:58<helmut>Hi. Is there a reason for debian not to have crossbuild compilers in the main archive, only emdebian? Is it that strange to cross compile?
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13:00<Nickname>Don't know, but jou can just donwload it.
13:01<Nickname>i've been so long out of my debian machine, I even do not know how to restart it anymore :S can someone please give me the reboot commando?
13:02<frank>reboot
13:02<Nickname>that simple?
13:03<weasel>you can also say shutdown -r now
13:03<weasel>if you dislike 'reboot' for aesthetical reasons
13:04<metalqga>or press the small button, below the big one on PC the box
13:04<Nickname>I got a NSLU2, so there is only one small button...
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13:06<Nickname>but I like the simple commands like HALT and REBOOT, no aesthetical reasons for me not to use those cammands... :)
13:06<metalqga>nickname you can reboot by pressing alt+printScr+b
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13:07<weasel>metalqga: don't do that
13:07<metalqga>i know :P
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13:07<weasel>THEN DON'T TELL PEOPLE TO DO IT
13:07<Nickname>that's mean, I'm a NOOB and I would have done it if my debian wasn't updating atm
13:08<Nickname>what will happen if you press alt+printScr+b ?
13:08<helmut>depends on whether sysrq is active
13:08<Nickname>sysrq ?
13:09<metalqga>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
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13:10<Nickname>Immediately reboot the system, without unmounting partitions or syncing
13:10<Nickname>so alt+printScr+b would be like the reset button an a normal PC
13:10<Nickname>even in a SSH shell?
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13:14<skarphace>All these errors could have to do with my root partition being mounted as errors=remount-ro...
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13:36<Valtiel-ASD>(((
13:36<Valtiel-ASD>i have trouble vith video on debian
13:37<Valtiel-ASD>launching left4dead or cs source on vine
13:37-!-bsurfer [~bsurfer@pal-213-228-163-57.netvisao.pt] has joined #debian
13:37<Valtiel-ASD>on kubuntu all work correctly and good
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>i don't know what to do ?
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>(((
13:38<Valtiel-ASD>wine
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13:40<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: was that a question?
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13:42<Valtiel-ASD>chealer: how to fix this bug ?
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13:42<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: which bug?
13:42<Valtiel-ASD>why in debian graphic working bad ?
13:42<Valtiel-ASD>nvidia
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13:43<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: what is your native language?
13:43<Valtiel-ASD>russian
13:44<chealer>!ru
13:44<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
13:44<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: did you try asking #debian-russian?
13:45<amjad>I am trying to grep everything except Gregorian and favicon
13:45<Valtiel-ASD>when i launch counter-strike source this is working not correctly
13:45<amjad>cat error.log | grep -v '(Gregorian|favicon)'
13:45<amjad>why it does not work?
13:45<Valtiel-ASD>chealer: there are only sily sarcastic jokes
13:45<Valtiel-ASD>or ban
13:45<Valtiel-ASD>or ignoring
13:45<Valtiel-ASD>(((
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13:46<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: "not working correctly" is a very vague problem description
13:47<Valtiel-ASD>colored lines on down part of screen
13:47<Valtiel-ASD>on up part rotate 90 gr picture
13:49<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: are you sure that's a bug?
13:49<Valtiel-ASD>i can't understand whi it is work that
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13:49<Valtiel-ASD>chealer: what's this ?
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13:49<Valtiel-ASD>how to fix ?
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13:50<Valtiel-ASD>maybe need install an official drivers from nvidia com ?
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13:50<Valtiel-ASD>i use nvidia-glx from repository now
13:51<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: which X video driver are you using?
13:51<Valtiel-ASD>173.14.09
13:51<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: nvidia-glx contains the same drivers as those found on nvidia.com, they're just installed the Debian way
13:51<Valtiel-ASD>(((
13:51<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: maybe it's not a bug. wine may not support that game.
13:52<Valtiel-ASD>why in kubuntu it's work good ?
13:52<Valtiel-ASD>in debian this strange bug
13:52<Valtiel-ASD>chealer: no
13:52<Valtiel-ASD>i reboot in kubuntu
13:52<Valtiel-ASD>and launch this on wine
13:53<Valtiel-ASD>and work good
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13:53<chealer>Valtiel-ASD: maybe kubuntu uses a different version of wine which works with it. or a patched version.
13:53<amjad>I am trying to grep everything except Gregorian and favicon
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13:53<amjad>I tried this: cat error.log | grep -v '(Gregorian|favicon)' . what is wrong with this
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13:55<chealer>amjad: did you read grep's manual page?
13:55<Valtiel-ASD>valtiel@Vault-13:~$ wine --version
13:55<Valtiel-ASD>wine-1.1.1
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13:57<Valtiel-ASD>in kubuntu old version of wine
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14:07<unkazs>Hola
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14:10<graemer>hello
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14:11<graemer>i've to type in tilde twice in order to get it on console - how to fix?
14:11<xno>hey guys, I'm looking for tools that generate nice statistical html pages of traffic/bandwidth and webserver log analysis also would be nice. so far I found mrtg and bandwidthd, recommendations please.
14:13<dkr>xno: awstats
14:14<frank>there are multiple tools for web logs: analog, awstats, webalizer, modlogan
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14:15<frank>for system stats there is e.g. munin
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14:17<xno>dkr: not bad ;)
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14:18<xno>how can I search for packages with certain tags?
14:18<dkr>xno: in addition to awstats I also use mrtg with some custom perl that feeds it stats like number of apache threads active/idle (and of course monitor lots of other stuff with mrtg)
14:19<dkr>aptitude search '~t foo' i think
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14:20<xno>dkr: found it. ?tag(tag) or ~Gtag
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14:23<xno>hmm it doesn't seem to work
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14:25<dkr>maybe the wrong kind of tag?
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14:27<xno>aptitude search ~Ginterface::web
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14:33<dkr>xno: have root perms?
14:33<xno>dkr: yup
14:34<dkr>aptitude search ~Ginterface::web gaveme no results as dkr, but worked as root
14:34<dkr>ops, as root on different system, heh. works on etch, not on lenny
14:34<xno>yes weird, also using lenny here
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14:35<xno>I also noticed that the default locale doesn't get set on lenny!
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14:35<dkr>http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/cloud/ is nifty, was poking aroudn with it exploring the tags
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14:37<xno>dkr: oh yes, thats pretty neat, but I'm wondering why it doesn't work :/
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14:41<knight>howdy! I've noticed a little flaw in python-gtk2 package (sid, 2.12.1-6): if you download and extract the source, there are two .svn directories inside it
14:41<knight>does this qualify as a bug?
14:42<VelvetElvis>I need someone to tell me if I'm insane or not. I'm in the process of setting up a new LAMP box and I'm tempted to go with Lenny just to spare the hassle of upgrading around the time to box goes live. Lenny is 95% stable by now isn't it?
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14:42<dkr>xno: maybe the debtags only applied for stable currently... can't see reference to that in docs, though.
14:42<xno>VelvetElvis: besides the two problems I mentioned, it works fine for me
14:43<VelvetElvis>what two were those?
14:43<xno>can't search for tags with aptitude and default locale doesn't get set
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14:50<xno>oh it does get set
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14:54<Steffan>E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
14:54<Steffan>There are sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, though.
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15:00<guilherme>i need to know how many apps are using the internet, and this speed, because netspeed say that my speed is 248 and i m downloading at 140.
15:00<kitsune>evening.. i am trying to remove a program but says it cannot get the lock... the thing is that i am not updating or using apt/aptitude for anything... any clue?
15:02<chealer>kitsune: could you show the output?
15:03<kitsune>sure sec
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15:03<kitsune>but i think i have it, i used ps aux | grep apt and it showed a process hich shouldnt be there
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15:04<Alba>jup it worked this time chealer but thanks 1000 really
15:04<bizhan>HI do you know if we can get the Linux box DDR information such as frequency from Linux promt? I like to know how fast is my system's memory hardware (DDR)?
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15:06<Steffan>E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
15:06<Steffan>There are sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, though.
15:06<Steffan>Any ideas?
15:06<petern>bizhan: dmidecode might tell you, but then it might node
15:06<petern>er
15:06<petern>s/node/not/
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15:07<bizhan>Peter: thanks it worked
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15:17<dpkg>one warez list being sent to giuseppe
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15:18<swergas>hi
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15:19<swergas>how can i get my public ip address from comandline without relying on a site like whatismyip ?
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15:20<Torsten_W>swergas: wget -qO- showip.com|grep IP|cut -f4 -d\<|cut -f2 -d\>
15:20<knight>!list
15:20<dpkg>one warez list being sent to knight
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15:22<swergas>Torsten_W: thanks but my goal is not to rely on information given by such a site, ideally getting it directly from my router or something
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15:30<EmleyMoor>Installing lenny amd64 on a qemu - got a hang installing grub
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15:33<valdyn>swergas: how would we know the user interface of your router? does it run debian?
15:34<valdyn>bizhan: dmidecode results are unreliable
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15:36<giuseppe>ciao a tutti
15:36<giuseppe>!list
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15:40<EmleyMoor>I am currently in rescue mode with /, /boot, /usr and /var mounted. What exactly should I do to install grub?
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15:40<valdyn>EmleyMoor: grub-install /dev/whatever
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15:41<EmleyMoor>valdyn: How long would it be expected to take after it finds /boot/grub?
15:41<valdyn>EmleyMoor: seconds
15:41<valdyn>EmleyMoor: check if devices.map exists, create it yourself if it does not
15:41<EmleyMoor>Hmmmm...
15:42<EmleyMoor>device.map is present and correct
15:42<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ok, then that is not where it is hanging
15:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: is this qemu on kvm ?
15:44<EmleyMoor>No - not kvm
15:44<valdyn>EmleyMoor: any reason why you cant use kvm instead?
15:45<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Lack of knowledge as yet...
15:45<valdyn>EmleyMoor: so you are running qemu without any hardware acceleration at all?
15:45<valdyn>EmleyMoor: what is your cpu?
15:46<valdyn>EmleyMoor: and what is your host system debian arch?
15:46<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I have kqemu but during installation it promotes crashing
15:46<EmleyMoor>AMD Phenom X3 8950 or so
15:46<EmleyMoor>lenny
15:46<EmleyMoor>amd64
15:46<valdyn>EmleyMoor: use kvm
15:47<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its probably better emulation
15:47<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its used _just_ like qemu
15:47<valdyn>EmleyMoor: be member of the kvm group and have the kvm modules loaded
15:48<valdyn>EmleyMoor: its in any mainline kernel, so you just have to install the package and run kvm where you would have run qemu
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15:48<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I will try that
15:48<valdyn>EmleyMoor: oh and its also faster than kqemu
15:49<valdyn>EmleyMoor: (probably not by alot,but still it is )
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15:49<EmleyMoor>I'm only installing lenny as a step to other things - already got the BSDs running
15:49<valdyn>EmleyMoor: if you are not member of the kvm group and/or the modules are not loaded, then running kvm is like running qemu unaccelerated
15:50<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i see
15:50<swergas>valdyn: we wouldn't know anything about the reouter except that it has an ip address which connects it to the internet
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15:50<valdyn>swergas: then we cant get any information about it without asking 3rd party hosts, like whatismyip.com
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15:52<valdyn>swergas: however that claim does not make sense, you always have more than that available if you own the router
15:52<valdyn>swergas: and if you dont own the router, then you can still ask its owner
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15:52<EmleyMoor>valdyn: How do I create /dev/kvm
15:53<valdyn>EmleyMoor: not at all, thats automagic once modules are loaded
15:53<EmleyMoor>valdyn: It hasn't happened
15:53<valdyn>EmleyMoor: which module(s) did you load?
15:53<swergas>valdyn: there is nothing we can use ? like studying the destination ip of a data packet we receive ?
15:53<enouf>EmleyMoor: enabled VT/SVM in your BIOS?
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15:55<valdyn>swergas: nope
15:55<swergas>valdyn: ok thanks a lot for the info ^^
15:55<EmleyMoor>enouf: Not heard of it
15:55<valdyn>EmleyMoor: that might be on by default or not, i cant tell yet, since you didnt tell me which modules you loaded
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15:55<enouf>EmleyMoor: /msg dpkg kvm will explain a bit (svm and vmx are cpu flags)
15:56<EmleyMoor>valdyn: only kvm - likely need more
15:56<valdyn>EmleyMoor: yea, and i dont quite remember what its called, maybe kvm_amd ?
15:56<enouf>EmleyMoor: just that intel calls their stuff VT, not sure what amd call's their's - maybe AMD-V or something
15:56<valdyn>EmleyMoor: intel is just kvm_intel
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15:56<valdyn>!kvm
15:56<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kvm is kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios.
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15:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: kvm-amd indeed
15:57<enouf>valdyn: yes, kvm, and {kvm_intel|kvm_amd}
15:57<enouf>IIRC
15:57<valdyn>right
15:58<enouf>i hear .28 has built-in support for kvm_intel, so no module needed .. or something
15:58<valdyn>err
15:58<valdyn>these drivers are optional and can be M or Y
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15:58<EmleyMoor>FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported
15:58<enouf>valdyn: i thought so too - but whatever this does; http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=387179464257921eb9aa3d15cc3ff194f6945a7c
15:59<enouf>EmleyMoor: BIOS
15:59<enouf>EmleyMoor: grep for those cpu flags
15:59<EmleyMoor>enouf: That grep succeeds
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16:00<valdyn>enouf: i run 2.6.28, kvm* as modules as always
16:00<tony>what command do i use to reconfigure network from scratch (as the installer does). I have my networking screwed
16:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: now if both modules are loaded, /dev/kvm should be there
16:00<EmleyMoor>"Virtualization" in BIOS?
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16:01<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Getting the FATAL above
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16:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: ah, and you already found "Virtualization" in BIOS?
16:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: thats it then
16:01<EmleyMoor>This is one of those "must reboot" things
16:02<goodger>hello all
16:02<goodger>is there any way to run i386 packages on amd64?
16:02<goodger>such as skype, for instance
16:02<valdyn>enouf: what is VT-d?
16:02<valdyn>enouf: virt io?
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16:03<valdyn>enouf: indeed, http://www.virtualization.info/2008/12/kvm-in-linux-kernel-2628-features-intel.html
16:03<valdyn>enouf: sounds like i could bind a gfx card to a virtual machine, finally
16:04<debianNooB21>Mr. Google got some info, but anyone here have any good portal software package. something like microsoft Sharepoint?
16:04<EmleyMoor>OK - off to change that setting
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16:04<Hubbel>raid0
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16:04<hahnp>!raid0
16:04<dpkg>it has been said that raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see <LVM>). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608 Ask me about <qotd168>.
16:05<ranix>raid 0 is fine
16:06<Hubbel>^^
16:07<valdyn>goodger: dont bother, use the .tar.gz statically linked package, extract at $HOME, run it
16:07<hahnp>ranix: that depends
16:07<goodger>valdyn: thank you very much :)
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16:08<ranix>I use raid0 because it's about as good as JBOD
16:09<ranix>if my JBOD died I wouldn't really care enough to recover the data, and any important data is redundant
16:09<ranix>so I might as well untar things faster
16:09<ranix>that is what raid0 is for
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16:19<valdyn>ranix: and thats still slower than untarring between 2 seperate disks
16:20<Guest188>kvm looks promising
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16:20<valdyn>em?
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16:23<EmleyMoor>I will try some of the "didn't work in qemu" stuff in it
16:24<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i would think that kqemu has been unmaintained for a while as theres not much point in that
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16:27<vyrgozunqk>isn't qemu, too slow ?
16:27<vyrgozunqk>:)
16:27<goodger>vyrgozunqk: unless you're running kqemu, yes
16:29<vyrgozunqk>after all it still remains slow, then why are you all using it :)
16:29<vyrgozunqk>i can't understand
16:29<valdyn>vyrgozunqk: who is using qemu?
16:29<goodger>vyrgozunqk: I said that kqemu makes it fast enough
16:30<vyrgozunqk>well a lot of people, and i'm wondering why :D
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16:30<vyrgozunqk>mm i think its still slow
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16:30<valdyn>kvm is also based on qemu and yet the fastest virtualisation solution
16:30<enouf>valdyn: was afk - hrm, .. interesting
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16:31<valdyn>..and redhat bought qumranet
16:31<vyrgozunqk>interesing :)
16:33<vyrgozunqk>but ot my PC, that doesn't have any virtualisation instructions ( Athlon XP ) qemu is verry slow, kvm - no comment, so the only acceptable deceision is virtualbox :)
16:33<valdyn>vyrgozunqk: kqemu should be about as fast
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16:35<vyrgozunqk>hmm isn't kqemu the same as qemu, but only with QT based interface, so where's the difference ?
16:36<valdyn>vyrgozunqk: kqemu is a kernel module
16:37<vyrgozunqk>oh, didn't knew that, i'll take a look on its website for some more info :)
16:37<vyrgozunqk>tnx
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16:44<vyrgozunqk>mhm i saw the difference but i still prefer virtualbox, after all it has some goodies e.g. special driver for the virtual graphics adapter :)
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16:59<altaner>Hi. Today I have some new questions :) First: I use my mobile phone, connected via USB as GPRS-modem for internet connection. For dialing I use wvdial. Sometimes, after manual disconnection (ctrl+c), or plugging of my phone, I couldn't connect it back to the PC
16:59<altaner>wvdialer says that the port is blocked
17:00<altaner>How can I manually unblock it, without rebooting?
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17:00<valdyn>altaner: kill the process that locks the port
17:00<altaner>port is ttyACM0
17:01<valdyn>altaner: that makes lsof /dev/ttyACMO or fuser /dev/ttyACM0 to find the process
17:01<altaner>and how can I know, which process to kill?
17:01<xno>:D
17:01<altaner>Ok, thank you
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17:03<altaner>the next question: my videocard is NVidia GF 5200 FX. I use the standart driver, that comes with Debian - "nv"
17:03<altaner>Can I use openGL or D3D with it?
17:03<valdyn>altaner: no
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17:03<valdyn>altaner: you can install the nvidia driver
17:04<altaner>nvidia.com, as I understand. :) Thank you
17:04<valdyn>altaner: no, thats wrong
17:04<altaner>Hmm. And what then?
17:04<valdyn>altaner: the nvidia-glx package
17:06<valdyn>altaner: installing that one should pull the kernel package
17:07<altaner>Hmm. Searching in yandex now )
17:07-!-KaotiK [~fernando@189-47-2-223.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #debian
17:07<KaotiK>ola.. alguem pode me tirar umas duvidas sobre o Gaim?
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17:08<amphi>!br
17:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:08<valdyn>altaner: yandex? as in google?
17:08<altaner>Yes. Russian searching system.
17:08<valdyn>altaner: im not telling you to install anything that is not in debian
17:08<valdyn>altaner: so you should probably search in debian
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17:09<valdyn>!info nvidia-glx etch
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17:09<dpkg>nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB
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17:10<altaner>Hmm .Nothing ) One sec, please, I check my repositories settings )
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17:12<valdyn>altaner: its in non-free as you can see above
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17:12<altaner>Hmm.. yes. So I need to pay for this?
17:12<valdyn>altaner: no
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17:13<valdyn>altaner: free as in freedom, not cost
17:14<altaner>I'm not shure, I'm understand it )
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17:15<valdyn>altaner: why do you use debian at all? you can get windows at no cost.
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17:16<spiga>alguem ai usa cairo-dock so que o fundo do tema e uma imagem?
17:16<valdyn>altaner: either way, understanding is not required, just this much:
17:16<valdyn>!dfsg
17:16<dpkg>somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
17:16<valdyn>altaner: anything that violates ^^^ is categorised into non-free in debian
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17:17<altaner>Hmm. By the first it's interesting for me to study. By the second, I see here some more things, that I can do. By the third it's free, if I'l learn it, I could use it in my work and not to afraid K-dep )
17:17<valdyn>altaner: ( naturally just as long as it can be legally distributed, mainly in the US )
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17:18<valdyn>altaner: that is why i gave you the links anyway
17:18<altaner>Already reading )
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17:19<valdyn>altaner: "piracy" is legal in plenty countries, that is why i said "in the US"
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17:21<altaner>I always thought, that is not legally ANYWHERE ) But some governments just close their eyes and don't try to catch a pirats )
17:22<altaner>But in Russia it's actual problem now.
17:22<valdyn>altaner: yea, thats what i mean, implenting a law no one cares about to calm the US is easy
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17:22<valdyn>altaner: right, i heared that
17:22<altaner>Some of my friends already have a troubles with a law because the "pirated" soft.
17:23<valdyn>altaner: for business usage?
17:23<altaner>yes
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17:23<altaner>I'm working a system administrator
17:25<altaner>And noted, that many companies even don't think, that they have a pirated soft. Of course, if they will be checked by the K-dep, troubles will have not a director, but a sys.admin )
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17:26<altaner>So now I trying to learn Linux, because it can be legally used, and when the people sees that it has no differences with windows for ending user, they, usualy agrees to use it instead win
17:28<altaner>!info nvidia-glx
17:28<dpkg>nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 173.14.09-5 (sid), Packaged size: 7500 kB, Installed size: 22240 kB
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17:30<Aleric>Is there a pseudo package that can be satisfied by either nvidia-glx OR libgl1-mesa ?
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17:30<valdyn>Aleric: does nvidia-glx have any Provides: ?
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17:31<Guest81>You can't just depend on "libgl1-mesa | nvidia-glx" ?
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17:31<Aleric>Provides: libgl
17:31<Aleric>err
17:31<Aleric>I am actually talking about -dev
17:32<valdyn>Aleric: -dev what?
17:32<Aleric>>dpkg -s nvidia-glx-dev | grep Provides
17:32<Aleric>Provides: libgl-dev
17:32<valdyn>Aleric: yeap
17:33<Aleric>I don't have libgl1-mesa-dev or mesa-common-dev install though, does either provide libgl-dev too?
17:33<valdyn>Aleric: use apt-cache show <package>
17:33<Aleric>Kewl, thanks :)
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17:34<Aleric>Hmm this sucks...
17:35<Aleric>The package actually has:
17:35<Aleric>Build-Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev ( >= 7 ) | libgl-dev
17:35<Aleric>But I still get:
17:35<altaner>Hmm. By the way. Maybe it silly, but I cant properly configure my wine. I've tried to read mans, but there are still a questions ). When I trying to launch a win-application, it gives me error, that it couldn't find files in this folder.
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17:36<Aleric>The following packages will be REMOVED: nvidia-glx-dev omvviewer
17:36<Aleric>The following NEW packages will be installed: libgl1-mesa-dev mesa-common-dev
17:36<altaner>It's like I trying to launch .exe not from folder, where the program is setted up )
17:36<valdyn>altaner: thats not a specific error, but also unspecifically you need to map linux directories to wine/windows drive letters
17:36<valdyn>altaner: see winecfg, any directory not in a driver letter might cause issues when running programs there
17:37<valdyn>s/driver/drive/
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17:37<valdyn>Aleric: even though nvidia-glx-dev is already installed?
17:38<valdyn>Aleric: hmm, thats bad dependency resolution, you should be able to build nonetheless, just work around apt-get build-dep
17:38<Aleric>ii nvidia-glx-dev 173.14.09-5 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver development files
17:39<Aleric>What should the dependency look like then? I'm a developer of that package, so I want(ed) to fix it now I ran into this
17:39<valdyn>Aleric: i think libgl-dev should be first in that build-depend but its not
17:39<Aleric>Ah ok
17:40<altaner>Thank you, valdyn, for your answers. And now I'm going offline. Will boil my brain, reading manuals and trying to make all work ) Step by step )
17:40<altaner>Good bye all
17:40<valdyn>Aleric: so it will as i understand it use the currently installed package that provides libgl-1, otherwise pull libgl1-mesa-dev
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17:40<valdyn>Aleric: virtual packages cant be pulled though
17:41*EmleyMoor is trying FreeBSD amd64 in kvm
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17:42<Aleric>valdyn: But then, if libgl1-mesa-dev version 6 is already installed - it will think everything is ok because libgl-dev is provided.
17:42<valdyn>Aleric: uh
17:42<valdyn>Aleric: so theres no solution?
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17:42<valdyn>Aleric: looks like it...
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17:43<altaner>No, here is one more question ) How can I mount my USB-flash drive in RW mode?
17:43<valdyn>Aleric: no good solution anyway
17:43<altaner>it's read-only )
17:43<valdyn>altaner: which filesystem is it?
17:43<altaner>FAT32
17:43<valdyn>altaner: its already RW
17:44<valdyn>altaner: what does "mount" say about that usb drive?
17:44<altaner>I'm insert it in the USB, debian mounts it automatically, but like a read-only
17:45<valdyn>altaner: yea, i understand, paste me what the "mount" command outputs about that drive
17:45<hahnp>which filesystem type
17:45<altaner>No, it's NTFS, as I see
17:45<valdyn>altaner: install the ntfs-3g package
17:45<hahnp>exactly
17:45<valdyn>altaner: however even with ntfs-3g ntfs drives will only be rw if you use the force option
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17:46<altaner>mount says me, that it mounted in rw-mode ) Ok, valdyn, now I'll try
17:46<altaner>valdyn, what must I do for forcing?
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17:47<valdyn>altaner: did you just say that it already is rw?
17:47<altaner>'mount' says yes: (rw, noexec, nosuid, nodev, ... )
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17:48<valdyn>altaner: iirc you need to be root to access it unless you are in the plugdev group
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17:48<altaner>but when I'm trying to write on it it says - Read-only file system
17:49<valdyn>altaner: give the whole mount line
17:49<altaner>You means, what says "mount", or how I trying to mount it?
17:49<valdyn>altaner: if the ntfs-3g package is not installed, then it cannot be rw btw
17:50<valdyn>altaner: what sais "mount"
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17:50<altaner>/dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
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17:50<valdyn>altaner: is the ntfs-3g package installed?
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17:51<valdyn>altaner: you check that with dpkg -l ntfs-3g
17:51<altaner>No
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17:51<altaner>Not installed
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17:51<valdyn>altaner: ok, that is why it can only be ro
17:51<valdyn>altaner: install the package, use "mount -o force,rw..."
17:52<altaner>Ok, now I'll try
17:52<valdyn>altaner: and -t ntfs-3g iirc
17:52<valdyn>altaner: or you can use something like: ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/win -o force
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17:53<altaner>My apt dont see such a package )
17:54<altaner>Package not found, it says )
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17:56<valdyn>!info ntfs-3g
17:56<dpkg>ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.2531-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
17:57<nganga>I have 2 Bugs From Hell... the "Waiting for Filesystem" boot lockup, and the OpenOrifice file menu Xserver lockup bug...
17:57<adama>altaner: are you using etch or lenny?
17:57<valdyn>altaner: i think its not in etch
17:57<nganga>etch V6
17:57<nganga>R6 sorry
17:57<altaner>etch
17:58<adama>I think you can get it from backports?
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17:59<altaner>Now I'll find it. But I think I must to go, make some coffee and smoke some cigarettes. And some liters of cold water on my boiling head )
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18:01<nganga>The "waiting for filesystem" bug turned up when I upgraded to R5... going to named partitions did not fix it
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18:03<nganga>R5 upgrade installed a new 2.6.18-6-686 kernel (left the 2.6.18-4-686) kernel alone.
18:03<nganga>R6 upgrade did not fix the problem
18:03<nganga>What Now. ?
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18:04<nganga>I can still boot with the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel... or I wouldn't be on here...
18:05<nganga>I can probably continue trolling the websites for bright ideas, but this is a new problem, and is even mentioned in the Lenny distro notes...
18:06<nganga>so I thought someone on here might know how to fix it in Etch (and why it turns up with the R5 upgrade)
18:06<nganga>as I mentioned, the "preferred" fix (going to named partitions) didn't fix it...
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18:07<nganga>I suspect there's probably a mod to the "grub" setup involved..
18:08<nganga>If anyone's got any more current information on this, it might help...
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18:11<Deiz>On Debian (And Debian-derived distros) it seems it takes 3-5s to connect via SSH, even over LAN
18:11<Deiz>Is that a bug or a feature?
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18:12<Xenguy>Deiz: you find other distros faster?
18:12<Xgamerz>chmod a+x file // chmod with a or without ?
18:13<adama>Deiz I think that has something to do with DNS lookups. I can get instant logins by setting things in the hosts file
18:13<jrabbit>no ^a
18:13<Xgamerz>what mean a ?
18:13<adama>chmod +x is fine
18:13<Xgamerz>all ?
18:14<adama>yes, as you can see in the chmod man page
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18:17<nganga>hmmmm... no luck on that one
18:17<k1lumin4t1>why's there still free primary RAM memory linux still uses swap and doesn't release it? I have a 931 out of 956 MB of SWAP being used by god knows what
18:18<nganga>How about the OpenOffice file pulldown lockup... it's been there since I think 2005... I've seen references to it in Suse, Redhat, Ubuntu, and (of curse) Debian
18:18<nganga>developer websites...
18:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 367] by debhelper
18:19<nganga>it seems like people claim it's been fixed, and then it pops up somewhere else
18:20<nganga>I always keep thinking the next release or upgrade or whatever will make it go away, but it doesn't
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18:21<axlrose>so I just installed lenny today and there is almost nothing in my Xorg.conf
18:21<dkr>axlrose: by design
18:21<adama>axlrose: Lenny is a smart one
18:21<avu>axlrose, yeah, isn't that great? :)
18:21<dkr>mostly autoprobed now
18:22<axlrose>so how can I see what video driver i'm using
18:22<dkr>axlrose: xorg.0.log
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18:22<adama>you can still specify another driver in that file if you want
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18:23<axlrose>I don't have xorg.0.log on my system
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18:23<dkr>grep driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:23<dkr>capital X, sorry
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18:23<dkr>too bad lame bash is default shell. my tcsh does case insensitive tab completion, :)
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18:24<axlrose>It must be using radeon for me
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18:25<axlrose>2nd question.... google earth
18:26<axlrose>I downloaded the bin for google and installed it
18:26<axlrose>when I run it it opens and then closes
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18:26<axlrose>I get this error if I do it it terminal
18:26<axlrose>relocation error: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8: symbol BIO_test_flags, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libcrypto.so.0.9.8 with link time reference
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18:27<dkr>I'd try searching the google earth forum with the error string. debugging binaries sin't easy
18:28<avu>axlrose, did you use googleearth-package?
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18:32<axlrose>I got it to work
18:32<axlrose>thanks :)
18:32<axlrose>fglrx is better than the radeon module right?
18:32<axlrose>or not?
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18:33<themill>dkr: "echo set completion-ignore-case on >> ~/.inputrc" and then bash also does case insensitive tab completion.
18:34<dkr>themill: damn, bash keeps incorporating all the cool tcsh features like context-sensitive tab completion and leaving me less excuses to gripe about it. :)
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18:35<themill>that's actually gnu readline library and it's been available for quite some time. (at least 6 years, I think, as it was available when I was using cygwin under win2k)
18:36<dkr>well, I made my choice of tcsh over bash, uhm, over a decade ago. :)
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18:38<axlrose>any use cpufreq
18:38<axlrose>*anyone
18:38<dkr>!anyone
18:38<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
18:39<Xgamerz>how install killall from my cd
18:39<axlrose>I installed CPUFreq but it won't let me load the speedstep_centrino module
18:39<axlrose>though it shows up in modprobe -l
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18:40<dkr>Xgamerz: aptitude install psmisc (assumign yuo have an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list for your cd
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18:44<Xgamerz>ok ill test
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19:01<Xgamerz>how can find some libs libX*.so.6/1 in cd ?
19:01<K|NgGh0sT>I need an XFS Specialist, it seems that my XFS partion has now decided to crash every 5 minutes and I have to then xfs_repair -L it to make it work
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19:04<axlrose>out of curiosity what does all the autoloading of modules on startup?
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19:06<lindenle>Hi anyone here have a lenovo x61
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19:06<lindenle>mine seems to be locking up on 802.11n networks
19:06<lindenle>and i was wondering if there was a bug report in debian about it, or if anyone knew how to fix it.
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19:06<dondelelcaro>lindenle: if there are, it'd be on bugs.debian.org
19:07<lindenle>ok
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19:09<axlrose>or is there a way to tell it not to load some modules that it's autloading
19:09<dondelelcaro>!blacklist
19:09<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'.
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19:11<groulder>which debian package contains iostat?
19:12<dondelelcaro>!tell groulder -about search
19:12<groulder>well i did an aptitude search iostat
19:12<groulder>couldn't find it
19:12<dondelelcaro>groulder: read what dpkg told you carefully, and await enlightenment
19:13<groulder>thanks
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19:34<pako>hello
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19:37<pako>pepe el toro es inocente !!!
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19:38<sigius>Q: if I do a 'ssh target reboot' the target does reboot but subseequently the ssh connection hangs. ssh only returns when the target comes back up again. How can I reboot and havee ssh return ? (btw there is no screen on the target and also I prefer not to have to write a dedicated target side script for this)
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19:39<sigius>not specific to debian really but I'd someone on this channel might know
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19:39<sigius>I'd -> I'd hope
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19:44<blarson>Josm really needs to separate the "delete selected object" and "go into delete mode".
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19:45<blarson>ECHAN
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20:16<Whynotgnu>VERIFY REGISTER elmencho80 vgcrnsuwzavf
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20:24<FRistajler>halo
20:24<FRistajler>exit
20:24<FRistajler>\exit
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21:06<lskjflskjf>so i run a graphics demanding win32 app using wine and every time my box starts beeping and syslog prints a message to the console that 'kernel: CPU1: Temperature above threshold' and 'kernel: CPU0: running in modulated clock mode'
21:07<lskjflskjf>*syslogd
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21:11<enouf>you're frying your CPU for some win32 crap?
21:11<lskjflskjf>my cpu is frying?
21:11<enouf>how do you interpret "CPU1: Temperature above threshold" ?
21:12<enouf>you might just need to tweak your sensors conffiles though
21:12<enouf>and/or your BIOS, though ...
21:12<lskjflskjf>i was hoping my sensors were configured at too low a level. i still haven't found any reliable info on what is a "correct" temp to be considered HIGH
21:13<enouf>see #hardware on freenode.net - i'm too lazy
21:13<lskjflskjf>ok
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21:19<guntergunter>do you know on wich cannel i ca speack about networking?
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21:20<lskjflskjf>what about networking?
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21:20<lskjflskjf>what about networking?
21:21<lskjflskjf>try #networking on irc.freenode.net
21:21<guntergunter>i'm tryng to set up a mixed domain
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21:21<guntergunter>whit samba ldap etc
21:21<guntergunter>ok i try tanks
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21:23<guntergunter>mmm
21:23<guntergunter>and so what i can do to enter?
21:23<lskjflskjf>enter what?
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21:24<guntergunter>maybe i 'have not understand
21:24<guntergunter>i'm in networking channal but alone?
21:24<lskjflskjf>you need to connect to the irc network irc.freenode.net then join the channel #networking.
21:24<lskjflskjf>it's on a different network
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21:24<guntergunter>aaaaaa
21:24<lskjflskjf>what client are you using?
21:24<guntergunter>ok
21:24<guntergunter>i try
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21:28<RIVE>Hi,good evening.
21:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 344] by debhelper
21:30<RIVE>Wich is the html color of the Debian swirl?
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21:50<Deiz>Hm
21:50<Deiz>On my Etch install, I seem to not have dpkg-reconfigure
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21:52<superjet_busy>gnome-mount failed with: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.InvalidMountOption : The option 'locale=' is not allowed for uid=1000, howto resolve it or put it with sudo environment under gnome?
21:52<superjet_busy>not the fstab way will better
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21:56<rickbot>Deiz: as root?
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21:57<Deiz>rickbot: Whoops. I'd been trying it via sudo. Don't often su to root on the server.
21:57<rickbot>;)
21:58<rickbot>had to install 'buntu on someone elses machine lately. the sudo thing gives me the creeps
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21:59<Deiz>You have a friend who can't install something with a completely graphical installer?
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22:00<rickbot>her first linux...
22:01<rickbot>'why do i need two passwords?' ... oh god!
22:01<Deiz>Oh, I've done that.
22:01<Deiz>The next question was, where is Internet Explorer?
22:01<rickbot>even though buntu doesn't ask for a root pass, i put one in just to be normal
22:02<rickbot>didn't have to deal with that at least
22:02<rickbot>after about a year of trying i got her onto firefox
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22:03*rickbot cringes at the thought of explaining to her about iceweasel
22:05<Deiz>I have converted a good few friends and family over to Linux
22:05<Deiz>None are "real" users
22:05<rickbot>i'm just sorry it had to be 'buntu
22:05-!-devious88 [~tsvetkov@resnet-nat-125.ucs.ed.ac.uk] has joined #debian
22:05<Deiz>Why's that?
22:05<rickbot>since i played around with it for awhile, i found it pretty buggy
22:06<Deiz>Last I tried Ubuntu was... mid-2007.
22:06<rickbot>but she has three other friends that use it so she can get help
22:06<Deiz>Pulseaudio entirely wasn't ready and died on me for days at a time.
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22:06<rickbot>i was wondering about that
22:06<rickbot>read somewhere it had pulseaudio but alsamixergui still worked
22:07<Deiz>I'm not big on ALSA, either.
22:07<devious88>hello, I am beginer with debian, I have no sound... can you help me?
22:07*Deiz uses OSSv4
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22:08<rickbot>devious88: open terminal, su, give root password, alsaconf
22:08<RIVE>Wich is the html color of the Debian swirl?
22:08<rickbot>follow the steps to choose and enable your sound card
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22:10<devious88>rickbot thank you
22:10<rickbot>RIVE: kcolor edit says: bf1237
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22:10<rickbot>devious88: it work?
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22:11<devious88>no, it says that it is configured, but it doesn't work
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22:11<rickbot>check that the plug is in the right jack
22:11<RIVE>Thanks rickbot :-)
22:11<rickbot>np
22:11<devious88>i cheked... everything is pluged in properly
22:12<rickbot>volume turned up on your mixer?
22:12<devious88>yes
22:13<devious88>but when I play test sound it doesn't work
22:13<devious88>mp3s don't work too...
22:13<rickbot>then you need someone more knowledgable than me i think
22:13<devious88>yeah... may be you are right
22:14<rickbot>to get mp3 to work you need to add the multimedia repo to apt and install the needed codec
22:14<devious88>hope that there is such a person here :)
22:14<rickbot>don't think the standard debian install supports it
22:14<devious88>I already installed it
22:15<devious88>but there is no sound at all...
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22:16<superjet_busy>alsaconf
22:16<rickbot>he tried
22:16<gsimmons>devious88: What Debian suite are you using? What is your sound hardware?
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22:26<devious88>gsimmons the sound hardware is SiS HD
22:26<devious88>i think the debian is the last version
22:27<devious88>hda-intel Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller
22:28<rickbot>devious88: lspci will tell you
22:30<devious88>10x rickbot Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller
22:34<enouf>guntergunter: are you using debian? if so here is ok too ... also try ##linux over there on freenode
22:34<enouf>oh well
22:34<enouf>cool feature i accidentally stumbled over in alsamixer - hit '/' :-0
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22:37<superjet_busy>gnome-mount failed with: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.InvalidMountOption : The option 'locale=' is not allowed for uid=1000, howto resolve it or put it with sudo environment under gnome? no fstab way will be better
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22:42<superjet_busy>how to make less autoview foo.gz file? must use lessfilter? is there some official way in debian?
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22:44<blarson>superjet_busy: Use zless
22:45<gsimmons>devious88: Run update-pciids. Provide the output received for "lspci -nn | grep -i audio ; cat /proc/asound/cards /proc/asound/version /etc/debian_version" at a paste site. Also, is your system a laptop?
22:45<gsimmons>!paste
22:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:46<superjet_busy>blarson: it
22:46<superjet_busy>blarson: it's a little annoy
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22:53<superjet_busy>blarson: seems got it, just put 'eval $(lesspipe)' into bashrc will ok, no need to writer lessfilter
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23:10<enouf>superjet_busy: locale= is only certain FSType option? like samba/smbmount with it's iocharset= and codepage= options?
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23:14<superjet_busy>enouf: it's default from gconf-editor, maybe change into ones utf8 locale will better
23:15<superjet_busy>enouf: it's option from ntfs-3g
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23:17<enouf>yeah, seemed windows related to me
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23:21<lskjflskjf>i'm looking at the s2ram function. anyone know exactly what information it stores in the ram?
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