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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-02-09

---Logopened Mon Feb 09 00:00:02 2009
---Daychanged Mon Feb 09 2009
00:00<hmn>goodger, take a look?
00:00<goodger>hmn: sorry, I got distracted by the racist twat
00:00<goodger>that looks OK
00:00<hmn>ok
00:00<Catheter>If you all ever get interested in joining the epic humanistic battle against the feral negro beast
00:01<Deiz>Is it possible to set which file manager Azureus uses?
00:01<goodger>you can almost certainly reinstall synaptic after removing it
00:01<hmn>ok
00:01<Catheter>all non-nigger races are welcome
00:01<hmn>i'll do it then
00:01<Catheter>thank you and have a good day
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00:01<goodger>thank goodness for that
00:01<phrosty>seems like half the people i see from mibbit are trolls
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00:03<bedpan>feces
00:03<bedpan>mierda
00:03<bedpan>poop
00:03<bedpan>shit
00:03<bedpan>caca
00:03<bedpan>merdam
00:03<bedpan>turds
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00:03<bedpan>diarrhea
00:03<bedpan>diarea
00:03<bedpan>chorro
00:04<bedpan>cagalera
00:04<bedpan>cagadero
00:04<bedpan>cagada
00:04<bedpan>poo
00:04<bedpan>heces
00:04<bedpan>heces fecales
00:04<bedpan>excremento
00:04<bedpan>excrement
00:04<Gun_Smoke>Yea.. should just ban the domain
00:04<bedpan>droppings
00:04<goodger>*sigh*
00:04<bedpan>leavings
00:04<bedpan>manure
00:04<bedpan>abono
00:04<bedpan>estiercol
00:04<simonrvn>shut up
00:04<Gun_Smoke>no flood control here..
00:04<bedpan>chamber pot
00:04<goodger>simonrvn: are you in any position to assist us?
00:05<bedpan>merda
00:05<bedpan>dred
00:05<bedpan>drek
00:05<simonrvn>unfortunately no
00:05<bedpan>drik
00:05<bedpan>scheisse
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00:05<bedpan>mierda
00:05<bedpan>mierda
00:05<bedpan>mierda
00:05<goodger>it was here before you arrived, going on about how blacks aren't human and so it's impossible to be racist to them
00:05<bedpan>mierda
00:05<simonrvn>except maybe remind people of their /ignore function
00:05<bedpan>mierda
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00:05<goodger>woo!
00:05<goodger>thank you floodserv
00:05<simonrvn>finally
00:05<goodger>simonrvn: we ignored the other one
00:06<Gun_Smoke>haha..
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00:06<simonrvn>odd that that statement is racist in itself
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00:06<goodger>simonrvn: quite
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00:14<hmn>geesh, the install went through but now if i try to reinstall synaptic it wants to remove openoffice.org
00:14<goodger>:S
00:14<goodger>pastebin that?
00:14<hmn>ok
00:14<goodger>this is going to be a fun release
00:16<hmn>http://paste.debian.net/27992/
00:18<goodger>why is libcupsys2 kept back?
00:18<hmn>have no idea
00:18<goodger>:S
00:18<hmn>oh wait... i haven't finished the upgrade yet, could that be it?
00:18<goodger>possibly
00:18<hmn>all i did was install the new aptitude and dpkg
00:19<goodger>libcups2 is meant to replace libcupsys2
00:19<hmn>so i'll finish that first
00:19<goodger>goodo
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00:29<bss03>So, is there any better channel to talk about Lenny D-I RC3 hangs?
00:30<bss03>er, RC2, sorry.
00:30<mikegrb>bss03: maybe #debian-boot ?
00:30<bss03>Well, it makes it into the installer.
00:30<bss03>It hangs trying to grub-install.
00:31<bss03>Two different media, both amd64-kde-CD-1 and amd64-DVD-1.
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00:34<mikegrb>yeah #debian-boot is a bit misleading name wise, it's for d-i stuffs
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00:37<bss03>Thanks.
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00:39<binarymutant>how do I use dvtm?
00:41<simonrvn>by reading it's docs? try --help
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00:41<binarymutant>the docs on it are lacking, and the mailing list points to dwm's mailing list :(
00:42<simonrvn>oh :/
00:42<binarymutant>how do I open a new "terminal" with dvtm?
00:42<simonrvn>get the source, and start looking through likely files
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00:46<binarymutant>hey hey I found it, thanks
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00:50<hmn>ok, i just finished safe-upgrade, now i'm gonna restart cuz some messages said i prolly should. bbl.
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00:56<simonrvn>binarymutant: :). it's my point of last resort of the written docs suck or don't exist at all.
00:57<binarymutant>how do I get smaller console fonts?
00:57<simonrvn>a number of ways, not familar with all of them.
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00:59<binarymutant>brb I'm going to try and see if vga=791 will make it smaller
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01:00*roadsignologist1 'is wondering where he can find some sweeeet ftp servers'
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01:01<roadsignologist1>is anyone alive
01:01<simonrvn>nope
01:02<roadsignologist1>300 is on...
01:02<hmn>great, now aptitude full-upgrade wants to remove xserver-xorg-video-all ... which, if I'm not mistaken, will make X stop working?
01:03<simonrvn>no
01:03<simonrvn>it's a meta-package
01:03<hmn>oh
01:03<hmn>ok
01:03<roadsignologist1>meaning..
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01:03<simonrvn>obviously keep the driver(s) you need
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01:04<hmn>it's not suggesting removal of anything else from X, so i guess i'm fine
01:04<simonrvn>sure
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01:05<simonrvn>roadsignologist1: meaning your "question" is too vague to answer
01:05<hmn>when i upgraded from sarge->etch my X did stop working, since they switched from xfree86 to xorg
01:07<roadsignologist1>ok im a linux noob and just getting started ( dont hate at least I came to realization that most windows zombies dont)
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01:07<roadsignologist1>what is a meta-package basically
01:07<simonrvn>roadsignologist1: i was talking about the ftp server question
01:08<roadsignologist1>oo umm
01:08<simonrvn>it's a near empty package that depends on others, to pull them in during dependency resolution.
01:08<roadsignologist1>basically an open server to get some good media
01:08<roadsignologist1>videos music etc
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01:08<simonrvn>no warez here dude
01:08<roadsignologist1>oo true
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01:09<roadsignologist1>ooo i do have a good question
01:09<roadsignologist1>whats the most used FPS game
01:09<simonrvn>!popcon
01:09<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
01:09<roadsignologist1>im getting a new high end graphics comp
01:09<simonrvn>^^^
01:10<roadsignologist1>open arena?
01:10<roadsignologist1>warsaw?
01:10<roadsignologist1>nexius
01:10<simonrvn>http://popcon.debian.org/
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01:13<roadsignologist1>???
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01:15<Villarroel>bey
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01:27<twb>The most used FPS game is probably either Doom or CounterStrike
01:27<twb>Doom 1, I mean.
01:29<hmn>one of these days i'd like to try doom 3. but it'll have to wait 'til i get better hardware and it gets released for linux :)
01:30<hmn>as free software, i mean
01:30<twb>Doesn't Id make its money just licensing the Doom engine to other game makers?
01:30<hmn>maybe, i really dunno
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01:31<hmn>i do wish it was as easy to make modern 3d games as it was to make doom 2 wads
01:32<hmn>quake 1 was also fun
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01:34<hmn>i made a mod for that, never really made any good levels or skins/models tho
01:35<hmn>(i'm not a good artist)
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01:38<hmn>i think i missed the point, is the doom 1 engine still not free software? i thought it was
01:39<goodger>doom?
01:39<goodger>yes
01:39<goodger>they released the source ages ago
01:40<hmn>that's what i thought. i guess he was talking about doom 3
01:40<goodger>id do of course make pots of money licensing id Tech
01:40<goodger>which is the engine behind DOOM 3
01:40<jm_>just as many other engine developers do
01:41<twb>Anybody feel like debugging an exciting syslinux / genext2fs issue, while hpa is asleep?
01:41<twb>http://paste.lisp.org/display/75100 (Ignore that it's using Ubuntu's d-i for now.)
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01:43<blarson>hmn: open-source does not mean it meets dfsg. I think doom is in non-free.
01:43<hmn>blarson, ah. i knew i got lxdoom for some reason. :)
01:44<goodger>presumably the textures, sprites and sounds are copyrighted
01:44<hmn>right
01:44<twb>blarson: er, the "open source definition" is just DFSG with the references to Debian removed.
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01:44<twb>blarson: while it might be *free software* without complying with the DFSG -- e.g. invariant sections in GFDL documents.
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01:45<hmn>twb, but opensource.org's definition isn't the only one people intend when they say "open source"
01:46<twb>hmn: that's not my fault :P
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01:46<hmn>don't get me wrong, i wish they would use its definition
01:46<twb>If they mean something else, they ought to say so
01:47<twb>Such as that CMS engine that pretends to be GPL'd, but has mandatory advertising snuck in under the "legal notices" clause.
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01:50<hmn>ok, why is aptitude full-upgrade trying to install Samba Server?
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01:51<hmn>(it's a fresh etch install that i'm upgrading. i haven't installed samba unless the etch installer did.)
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01:54<hmn>eh, never mind. i guess it's my own fault. should have inspected the preinstall information better.
01:55<jm_>!apt recommends
01:55<dpkg>Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false.
01:56<hmn>ok. that helps, but i'd still like to know why samba in particular is being installed. but like i said, my own fault so nm.
01:57<jm_>just find out which package (that you're trying to install) recommends it
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01:58<alexxela>.
01:58<hmn>i'm doing a full-upgrade from etch->lenny, i'm not sure which package that i'm trying to install recommends it. i guess i can do aptitude why
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02:00<hmn>after the upgrade finishes
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02:03<jm_>dpkg-awk 'Status:installed' 'Recommends:samba' -- Package or somesuch
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03:09<hmn>turns out i did lose the driver for my display (ati), but other than that almost everything seems to be working on my new lenny system. thanks all!
03:10<hmn>(yes, i was able to fix it.)
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03:37<jim_p>hello people
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03:43<tater>is it hard to get berly on debian?
03:43<tater>beryl~
03:44<jim_p>beryl merged with compiz and compiz is in the repos of lenny and sid
03:45<jim_p>if you are on ati and fglrx, it will be loads to do
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04:14<Gun_Smoke>I used compiz a year or so ago and then the novelty wore off..
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04:15<chrisl>Debian je t aime
04:16<chrisl>ça s'est dis
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04:17<pbn>heu ?
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04:20<doudou>Hi, i came for a problem with iceweasel and .pdf documents. What happen with my iceweasel : i want to open a pdf document, a window is open proposing openning with xpdf or saving it and ok cancel buttons. If i click cancel, then try to open again pdf document iceweasel propose now konqueror or save, if cancel again iceweasel now only propose download ???
04:21<dr|z3d>doudou: You might want to install Adobe's Acrobat reader and plugin. Then again..
04:21<doudou>i must always tell iceweasel to use xpdf, so i can open pdf doc correctly
04:22<doudou>no i dont understand what is adobe company. Why do they give programms, what is their aim?
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04:23<dr|z3d>Adobe hold the original patents for PDF. For more info please see http://adobe.com .. You may have heard of Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash..
04:24<doudou>i thought that pdf is free not as free beer. I think that companies like adobe, and the one who made java, should choose what they intend to do, make open source programms or sell them
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04:25<doudou>pdf seems a very simple protocol and only exists because it is widely used, it could not have been sold, and is only made to make pain to open source programms
04:25<doudou>anyway why iceweasel sucks with adobe and google?
04:27<dr|z3d>Pdf is a file format, not a protocol.
04:27<doudou>did you ever consider the time lost using adobe and sun products? time lost to learn stupid things that wont profit to ourselfs?
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04:28<doudou>i dont exactly care about this notion, i know it is something very simple, standard protocol or anything
04:29<dondelelcaro>doudou: what exactly is the problem? if you want to view the pdf, use evince or xpdf, or similar. If you want to save it, save it.
04:30<doudou>problem is icewaesel does not handle that correctly, i want it stop loosing the associated application xpdf, did you read what i wrote here?
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04:30<dondelelcaro>doudou: what do you want it to do instead of using xpdf to view the pdf?
04:31<doudou>dondelelcaro, you need to read again what i wrote please
04:31<doudou>i wrote iceweasel loose xpdf application with no reason
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04:34<doudou>why iceweasel is so close to adobe (pdf and flash), google, that are not free companies, and i hope should disappear soon
04:34<dondelelcaro>huh?
04:35<doudou>i hope
04:35<dondelelcaro>doudou: I read what you wrote. Unfortunatly, it's quite difficult to parse meaning out of what you're saying.
04:37<dondelelcaro>Furthermore, iceweasel has almost nothing to do with Adobe or Google.
04:37<doudou>did you understood that iceweasel does not open pdf files correctly? first it ask xpdf (correct) then konqueror (not correct) then nothing (not correct) and that i must always indicate iceweasel that it should use xpdf
04:37<doudou>did you understood that iceweasel does not open pdf files correctly? first it ask xpdf (correct) then konqueror (not correct) then nothing (not correct) and that i must always indicate iceweasel that it should use xpdf
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04:39<doudou>have you been able to parse this time?
04:39<dondelelcaro>doudou: so open up the iceweasel preferences, and modify the application preferences for Portable Document Format appropriately.
04:39<dondelelcaro>(exactly how this is done is dependant on which version of iceweasel you're running)
04:41<doudou>i found the window, "how iceweasel handle certain types of files" but there is nothing in this widow, and i have no idea of what i should do now
04:42<enouf>how is xpdf correct?
04:43<dondelelcaro>web browsers associate mime types with actions; there's a default set. When it doesn't know what to do, it asks.
04:43<doudou>how is xpdf correct? i dont care if it does not handle last version of pdf file as i dont want to participate with adobe standards or protocol or cheating
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04:44<enouf>doudou: which DE is your main one?
04:44<dondelelcaro>what in the world does choosing an action for a mime type have to do with adobe standards or cheating?
04:44<doudou>but in my iceweasel, window is empty, how do i add a type and a programm to handle it
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04:45<doudou>dondelelcaro i was answering to how xpdf is correct
04:46<doudou>anyway i cant understand how to add a action from this window that is as empty as possible
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04:48<jm_>try clicking the Help button and read
04:49<doudou>jm_ nice answer, did you tried it yourself? because i tied it with result = zero
04:49<jm_>doudou: yes I did
04:49<doudou>jm_ i would not give this advice to friend
04:49<enouf>doudou: no answer?
04:50<doudou>jm_ id did too, but the help only tell how to change or remove actions, not how to add a new one, i tried to open again a pdf document and told again the associated application to use xpdf, but there is still nothing in my window
04:51<enouf>doudou: kde or gnome? or ...
04:51<doudou>maybe my iceweasel is broken, will aptitude update and upgrade fix it?
04:51<doudou>nor kde or gnome, only x
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04:51<doudou>and fluxbox
04:52<enouf>doudou: then update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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04:52<enouf>set to iceweasel?
04:53<doudou>fluxbox
04:53<jm_>doudou: you can always add it to ~/.mime.types
04:53<enouf>doudou: no, that's x-window-manager
04:53<doudou>i try
04:53<jm_>it properly added Portable Document Format itself for me
04:54<jm_>I'd be surprised if it doesn't add it for you
04:54<enouf>doudou: btw, what is x-session-manager set to?
04:54<doudou>no .mime.type directory
04:54<jm_>it's a file, and I said .ime.types
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04:54<jm_>.mime.types even
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04:55<enouf>it's easy to add when using links2 ;-)
04:55<doudou>enouf, i dont anderstand your question precisely, i install debian, then install xserver-common, then fluxbox, the iceaweasel, and it seems that is enougth
04:56<enouf>doudou: do you not have an update-alternatives ? as root/sudo
04:56<yziquel>hi. i'd like to sign a package I made. As I have different keys, I'd like to know how to choose a specific key with debuild.
04:56<doudou>Of course i would prefer to install dillo on GTK without x, but i never been able to do this
04:56<doudou>enouf, i try
04:56<enouf>doudou: are you really using debian?
04:57<enouf>doudou: i know xorg is the metapackage, and xserver-xorg-core the smaller core pkg .. what is xserver-common?
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04:58<enouf>$ apt-cache search xserver-common
04:58<enouf>~$
04:59<enouf>!install x
04:59<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce> or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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04:59<enouf>!set up x
04:59<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce> or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
04:59<doudou>enouf, thanks update-alternatives --config x-www-browser fix my problem, now it always open xpdf
04:59<enouf>ok
05:00<doudou>xserver-common is a mistake, i used xserver-core
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05:03<yziquel>anyone willing to help out getting a package signed properly?
05:04<OdyX>yziquel: have your gpg key in your local GPG keyring - have your name and email correctly set in debian/changelog and $ debuild
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05:04<OdyX>yziquel: btw, that's a #debian-mentors question (i.e. you'll get more help there)
05:05<yziquel>OdyX: ok. sorry. moving along. thanks.
05:05<doudou>the iceweasel widow about mime-type is still empty ... will this kind of search engine http://yacy.net/ replace google? will debian integrate something like this?
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05:06<OdyX>yziquel: no problem.... I was not meaning that you should not ask here... just that you'd get more help there.
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05:10<doudou>do you have a link explaning how to install a new version of a lib after compiling it on debian. I asked here and someone told me i should by a book, but i hope there is another way.
05:11<doudou>and i would like a link to use a webbrowser from gtk without xserver on debian
05:11<OdyX>doudou: why do you need to compile a new lib anyway ?
05:12<doudou>compile a new lib to compile a new program
05:12<OdyX>webbrowser in GTK without X ? That's not possible AFAIK
05:12<OdyX>doudou: man dpkg
05:14<jm_>dooglus: use Debian packages to install libs
05:14<jm_>as for gtk browsers requiring X server - they don't
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05:16<doudou>yes, some try have been made with firefox last year maybe two years ago, and i beleive dillo can do this too
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05:19<doudou>maybe not dillo
05:23<doudou>http://source.netsurf-browser.org/trunk/netsurf/Docs/BUILDING-GTK
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05:24<doudou>am i wrong? will netsurf run without x?
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05:25<doudou>can we consider that debian have been forced by gov to put backdoors in each computer? or this is stupid?
05:25<OdyX>doudou: http://www.directfb.org/wiki/index.php/Projects:GTK_on_DirectFB <- maybe
05:25<OdyX>this is plain stupid !
05:25<OdyX>!slam doudou
05:25*dpkg slams odyx against a large cement Tux
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05:26<doudou>it is a truth that gov have always spy, the phone history is best example. So how can this be stupid?
05:27<doudou>before phone, same with letters
05:27<OdyX>stupid, because Debian is about freedom, not software (that's my POV)
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05:28<OdyX>doudou: and how could backdoors be implemented in free software ? through the compiler blackhole ?
05:28<doudou>spying is mainly about freedom
05:29<doudou>i think this can be implemented very easily throught bugs
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05:29<OdyX>doudou: and why would anyone happening to be Debian Developper do this ?
05:30<OdyX>I really fail to follow your reasoning.
05:31<OdyX>Anyway, if you find such backdoor/bug, please report them to the BTS or to the Security team directly if relevant... (International team - how could they be under control of one single government ?)
05:31<doudou>there are so many bugs, and nobody want to make things simplier, who can say he precisely know all system? i installed so many programs as root that even if i trust linux kernel i have no idea of what is going on in my computer
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05:32<OdyX>and how is that a proof of government backdoor ?
05:32<OdyX>doudou: your just plain FUD'ing.
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05:33<OdyX>s/your/you are/
05:33<doudou>i dont need a proof, i have a proof they already did spying and bad ones, now i need a proof that they are unable to continue
05:33<ike^>the nsa is in your kernel
05:34<OdyX>doudou: that's free and international software, which governement could influence the slightest bit of Debian ?
05:34<OdyX>doudou: write your own software and stop FUD'ing !
05:34<ike^>theres no way it could happen without anyone noticing it
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05:35<doudou>as i cant see that debian is concerned with security, seems like oh i am sorry i left some bugs
05:35<OdyX>"they" as "the Big and Evil group of all Evil Governements around Earth, backup up by the Sionist Union and the GNAA" ?
05:35<doudou>but this could be on purpose
05:35<OdyX>doudou: just don't use Debian then !
05:36<Ascavasaion>Debian is nice though.
05:36<Ascavasaion>heheehe
05:36<ike^>i'd be a helova lot more worried about microshit
05:36<OdyX>doudou: I'll stop arguing here, because your reasoning is plain false and stupid. You are free to help to resolve bugs and security issues as you are free to use OR NOT USE Debian.
05:36<Ascavasaion>doudou: Try FreEBSD then *grin*
05:36*Maulkin suggests that this is off topic. Please go elsewhere
05:36*OdyX nods.
05:37<doudou>but proof of spy is well know, you cant think the way you do, there have been strong evidence of spying, now we need a prof that this is over, and i cant see in debian way anything in this direction
05:37<Maulkin>doudou: enough
05:37<OdyX>doudou: THEN STOP USING IT ! and for now, please stop.
05:37<ike^>well yes, if you had anything to do with anyone in the US trough telecom, you might have been spied on
05:38<doudou>yes i am free to use or not debian, but debian says some strong statements about freedom and so one, i hope some ppl do not play another game?
05:39<Maulkin>Last warning.
05:39<OdyX>doudou: stop that. If you don't trust Debian and Debian Developpers, stop using it. If you think something can be improved, please contribute by sending patches or anything else.
05:39<doudou>of course i am waiting for another os, that will answer to my fears, but in the meantime ...
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05:40<Maulkin>In the mean time, you can be quiet. (ban set for 10 mins)
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05:46<Ascavasaion>I miss doudou ... *chuckles*
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05:50-!-doudou was kicked from #debian by Maulkin [you should know better]
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05:50<Maulkin>err.
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05:50<@Maulkin>That wasn't meant to happen.
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05:52<Ascavasaion>Bleh.... I am leaving.
05:52<Ascavasaion>bye
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05:57<Maulkin>Free advice: don't abuse the opers. *sigh*
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05:59<GridSimForNow>Hello guys, anyone using GridSim ?
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06:22<henry_>ghhtf
06:22<henry_>?
06:22<henry_>hi all
06:25<Maulkin>!ask
06:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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06:48<sigius>Q: what is the nobody group for ?
06:49<petemc>!nobody
06:49<dpkg>hmm... nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privs. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privs.
06:51<sigius>thanks, petemc (and ofcourse dpkg)
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07:20<SirNico>ctrl-J
07:20<SirNico>meta-k
07:20<SirNico>sorry, learning weechat
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07:33<c00kie>najs credits
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07:54<sassi>hey iam running cstrike under wine and iam stuck on 5fps anyone know how to boost it up?...
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08:46<weasel>at least for a year, or until we release squeeze, whichever comes sooner
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08:51<sassi>Anyone know why cstrike is stuck at 5fps ?
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09:47<Washi>hello guys; a glitch with kaffeine player on debian lenny
09:48<Washi>doesn't display subtitles; video file with subtitiles integrated in it
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09:48<Washi>any suggestions
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09:49<petemc>doesnt sound like the subtitles are very well integrated
09:49<Washi>well, reported to play on other machines
09:50<Washi>I suppose it's the encoding
09:50<petemc>try another player
09:50<Washi>kaffeine works fine, just this glitch; mplayer gives me loads of trouble
09:51<Washi>so I stick with the recommended
09:51<Washi>I suppose it's because the ecoding is cp1251
09:51<Washi>and it should be different
09:51<Washi>but I can't figure uot how to change it
09:51<Washi>*out
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09:57<Washi>no other suggestions?
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09:58<koollman>Washi: try to find out if it works with a more classic encoding
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09:59<x_v2-10_x> do you speak french ?
09:59<petemc>!fr
09:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
09:59<Washi>koollman, the problem is that I don't know how to change the encoding
10:00<Washi>settings>xine parameters>subtitiles
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10:00<koollman>Washi: you could find another vid somewhere on the web. knowing if it's the whole 'subtitle' thing that has a problem, or just the charset handling.
10:00<x_v2-10_x>do you speak french ?
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10:00<x_v2-10_x>i AM FRENCH
10:01<koollman>x_v2-10_x: as dpkg said, 'veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net'
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10:01<Washi>koollman, supposing it's the charset
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10:02<Washi>how do I proceed?
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10:03<x_v2-10_x>DO YOU SPEAK FRENCH ???
10:03<x_v2-10_x>I AM FRENCH !!!
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10:03<Txt-file>!tell x_v2-10_x about fr
10:04<x_v2-10_x>?
10:04<x_v2-10_x>no comprendo !
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10:05<stew>x_v2-10_x: do you have a debian related question?
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10:08<NoNamE>hola
10:08<NoNamE>how to add a addon on XCHAT??? i tried load -e \terra.mrc but dont work
10:08<NoNamE>i am spanish
10:08<NoNamE>any speak spanish?
10:08<NoNamE>Alguien habla castellano???
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10:08<themill>!es
10:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:12<boehser>open xchat
10:12<boehser>klick on the xchat rider
10:12<boehser>load plugin
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10:36<x_v2-10_x>shut they mouth !
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10:36<stew>x_v2-10_x: unless you have a debian related question, please keep quiet, thanks
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10:42<zedboy>hmm. How can I perform a command in every (sub)directory on a disk (specifically 'rm *~')?
10:42*zedboy ran rsync -brv and filled his 500-gig backup drive...
10:42<stew>zedboy: "find /somewhere -name \*~ -delete"
10:42<boehser>rm -r directory
10:42<koollman>zedboy: I would use find, to match every '*~' named files, and delete them
10:42<stew>boehser: no
10:43<zedboy>ah there we go.
10:43*zedboy knew there was something obvious
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10:45<x_v2-10_x>SHUT UP SHUT YOUT MOUTH !
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10:45<zedboy>am i just stupid or wouldn't you expect rsync to only copy (or rename to foo~) a file if it's been modified?
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10:46-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
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10:46-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
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10:47*zedboy should be using -u
10:47<schlurchz>Hi all. I'm having trouble understanding user account states. Can someone plz tell the difference between a) an expired account, b) a disabled account, c) a locked account, and d) an inactive account?
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10:48<sassi>Hmm when i install the drivers for my GFX and i reboot the xwindow gets all black next time.. anyone knows why?
10:48<schlurchz>Or, is there some nice documentation in the www? I couldn't find anything (weird enough)
10:50<sassi>since iam trying to get my cstrike to run with more then 5fps cant get it to work
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10:51<valdyn>sassi: you mean for your nvidia card?
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10:52<sassi>using ati...
10:52<sassi>worked to install when i had etch but then i changed to lenny and it wont work
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10:54<Villarroel>HI!
10:55<schlurchz>Okay, maybe I should post my guesses so far:
10:55<Villarroel>I know there is a lighter word processor than abiword but can't remember the name, it can only edit RTF.
10:55<schlurchz>a) expired: the user can login, but must change his password immediately after login.
10:55<schlurchz>b) disabled: user cannot login at all.
10:56<schlurchz>c) locked: the password is invalidated. The user may still login with other means
10:57<schlurchz>d) inactive: special state. expired since <threshold> days without login. May be automatically disabled.
10:57<schlurchz>Is that accurate?
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11:06<zedboy>schlurchz: where did you get these from?
11:08<schlurchz>zedboy: various manpages and guessing. :-/ IIRC shadow(5), usermod(8), passwd(1)
11:09<schlurchz>zedboy: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Shadow-Password-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.2 also
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11:11<sassi>hmm wierd that when i boot with the drivers the screen gets all black.. and when i remove the drivers its fine.. but still i want to play some fps games with more then 5fps any suggestions?
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11:18<valdyn>schlurchz: how the hell may the user log in with other means?
11:19<schlurchz>valdyn: ssh key for example.
11:20<valdyn>schlurchz: have you tried that?
11:20<schlurchz>valdyn: I guess maybe pam offers alternative means also
11:20<valdyn>schlurchz: my manpage sais that the account is disabled
11:20<valdyn>schlurchz: yes, sure you can set up entirely different kinds of login mechanisms, but thats missing the point
11:21<schlurchz>valdyn: why is it missing the point?? which point?
11:21<maxb>It is worth noting that SSH not using PAM considers a locked account as locked against pubkey auth too - but, if SSH is deferring to PAM, PAM does *not* considers it as only the password being locked
11:21<valdyn>schlurchz: im just following the manpage, it sais "L" locks the account, that means it cant log in
11:21<schlurchz>valdyn: which manpage?
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11:21<valdyn>schlurchz: passwd(1)
11:23<valdyn>schlurchz: german version
11:23<schlurchz>valdyn: my passwd(1) man page has no -L option, only -l, and explicitely mentions ssh as a possible way to login.
11:23<schlurchz>valdyn: never trust german man pages. :-)
11:23<valdyn>schlurchz: -S, L is not the option, its the account status flag
11:24<schlurchz>valdyn: well, -S states 'L' maps to 'locked', see -l
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11:25<valdyn>schlurchz: yea, i see
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11:26<valdyn>maxb: so both pam and ssh itself respect that L and the account is locked
11:26<schlurchz>maxb: I'm having a hard time understanding PAM; to be honest, I usually prefer to avoid it, and just hope it works the way it should. :-)
11:26<maxb>valdyn: That's not what I said
11:26<schlurchz>avoid in the sense of: avoid reading about it's concepts and workings :-)
11:27<valdyn>maxb: then i cant read, or you placed that *not* wrong
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11:27<maxb>hah, yes, problem between brain and fingers
11:28<schlurchz>add ssh to pam, and it's getting really nasty to understand autentication. :-(
11:28<maxb>SSH operating on its own (UsePAM=no) will block pubkey auth for a locked account
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11:28<maxb>SSH deferring to PAM (UsePAM=yes, default nowadays) will allow pubkey auth for a locked account
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11:28<amjad>Is there a way to specify password as parameter when loginng with ssh
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11:29<maxb>For a workaround, consider setting an account to have expired a long time in the past
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11:29<amjad>something like ssh user@host -p PASSWORD
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11:29<maxb>amjad: no, deliberately so, since command line parameters can be observed by other users on the system
11:30<schlurchz>maxb: where is the behaviour you described documented? Can't find it in the manpage
11:31<maxb>It isn't documented. It's learned by hard experience :-)
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11:31<schlurchz>As I said. A complete mess :-(
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11:32<schlurchz>But returning to my original question: was my description of the 4 states correct?
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11:33<christoph>Hi all! is there some tool to find out which program is preventing me from unmounting my external hard drive (unmount won't work)
11:33<petemc>lsof
11:33<valdyn>christoph: lsof /path/to/mountpoint
11:34<stew>christoph: or try fuser -m /mountpoint
11:34<schlurchz>Anyone with a clue please type 'yes' or 'no'. 'y' and 'n' will also be decoded correctly. :-)
11:34<zedboy>schlurchz: seems like after [inactive] days the account goes to locked.
11:35<christoph>stew, output is 1103c ...
11:35<stew>christoph: the means pid 1103
11:35<zedboy>schlurchz: and i don't know that other means will work if the account is locked.
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11:36<christoph>steffan, there is no program with pid 1103, does this mean the program died abnormally?
11:36<zedboy>schlurchz: because when the account is locked, the password is set to something impossible. so there's no way to authenticate (unless you're allowing other authentication methods that grant priveledges not thru /etc/passwd/shadow
11:37<zedboy>schlurchz: so i would vote "no" :-)
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11:37<stew>christoph: how did you check for a process with pid 1103?
11:37<zedboy>christoph: just try a 'umount -l'
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11:37<schlurchz>zedboy: I think you're wrong, because you may login with other means. :-)
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11:37<zedboy>schlurchz: such as?
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11:38<schlurchz>zedboy: remember? ssh for example. And what else PAM might except as authentication method.
11:38<christoph>stew, did an ps -A | grep 1103
11:38<christoph>zedboy, thy that worked
11:38<schlurchz>s/except/accept/
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11:39<zedboy>schlurchz: right. so unless you set up some other source for authentication information - such as LDAP - which doesn't rely on the regular passwd/shadow files, ssh won't work - because it *does* rely on the regular passwd/shadow files
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11:40<zedboy>schlurchz: but effectively if you use ldap/pam/whatever you're not login in to the disabled account, you're logging in to some other account (tho you could make that other account have priviledges to access the same files, so it wouldn't matter)
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11:45<maxb>zedboy: Logging in using SSH public/private key authentication is still using the *account* defined in /etc/passwd, but not the password field itself
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11:46<schlurchz>These are two issues I'd prefer to keep separate: the exact behaviour of ssh and it's interaction with pam, and the definitio of a locked account.
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11:47<maxb>Unfortunately, the definition of a locked account only exists in terms of what various implementations do
11:47<schlurchz>I think the latter is quite simple: a locked account has its password invalidated, and all password authentication fails.
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11:47<schlurchz>which obviously doesn't mean that there's no way to login.
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11:48<istirbu>hello, is there an irc channel for debian documentation project?
11:48<schlurchz>It's another question which configurations actually make use of password authentication.
11:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 383] by debhelper
11:49<schlurchz>I would happily leave the question open if ssh or any other program (pam, etc) let the user login into a locked account, as long as I know for sure that they *may* do so.
11:50<schlurchz>Or *some* program/method may do so
11:50<fxiny>schlurchz: just come in . are you talking ssh/pam sshusers allowed ?
11:50<schlurchz>fxiny: my question was, what a locked account is
11:51<schlurchz>fxiny: and it turned into a discussion if ssh allows logins into a locked account.
11:51<valdyn>schlurchz: so thats just a password that no user can enter
11:51<schlurchz>valdyn: I think so.
11:51<valdyn>schlurchz: nothing else..
11:52<schlurchz>valdyn: yes.
11:52<maxb>In linux, a locked account is conventionally one with the first character of the password hash being a !
11:52<maxb>That naturally forbids any password logins.
11:52<valdyn>schlurchz: and openssh in their infinit wisdom defaults to being more secure than that invalid password implies
11:52<maxb>Some programs choose to interpret it as also forbidding logins by other means
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11:53<fxiny>pam can disallow ssh logins
11:53<schlurchz>maxb: okay, but possibly/probably not all. I'm perfectly happy with that, as it answers my question.
11:53<valdyn>..which is nice i guess, but inconsistent
11:54<schlurchz>(read: not all programs interpret a locked password as forbidding accounts)
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11:54<schlurchz>*sigh*
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11:55<valdyn>schlurchz: but at least for ssh in the default debian install the exception isnt there
11:55<schlurchz>valdyn: I dunno :-)
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11:56<valdyn>schlurchz: UsePam=yes,+ ill just believe that maxb said about pam
11:56<schlurchz>then the next question arises: what is a *disabled* account? man passwd(1) suggests it's a stronger state than "locked".
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11:57<maxb>A disabled account cannot be logged into at all
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11:58<kapat>Can someone remind me what package I need to install to build kernel modules from source?
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11:58<kapat>kernel-devel-something?
11:58<schlurchz>maxb: ah, so my initial guess was right. Where is that denying implemented/enforced?
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11:58<ice_weasel>evening all
11:59<maxb>schlurchz: My passwd(1) manpage is dated 01/13/2009 in its footer, and explains disabled vs. locked fairly clearly in describing the --lock option
11:59<cahoot>kapat: headers?
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11:59<kapat>cahoot: Ah, ty
11:59<kapat>been a while, heh
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12:01<ice_weasel>can someone help please? i'm running debian 4.0r6 - the version of OpenOffice is 2.0 available with 'lenny' is 2.0 whereas the officla version is 3.0.1
12:01<ice_weasel>can i just pick up the latest version off the OO website and install?
12:01<kapat>ice_weasel: You could, but it would not be simple
12:01<schlurchz>maxb: my version is slightly older (lenny here), but it just says that one can disable an account by setting the fixed expiration date. That is no description of what this disabled state is. Does your manpage tell you more?
12:01<ice_weasel>ok
12:01<kapat>ice_weasel: I think etch had OO 2.4 anyway
12:02<ice_weasel>ok thank you kapat
12:02<goodger>ice_weasel: lenny has 2.4, in fact
12:02<ice_weasel>lemme double check
12:02<maxb>schlurchz: http://rafb.net/p/flKmjV66.html
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12:02<kapat>ice_weasel: you can look at debian backports to see if someone has built a 3.x package
12:02<goodger>backporting 3.0 to lenny is a possibility, see backports.org when lenny has been released --- but don't bet on it. it would be extremely difficult
12:02<ice_weasel>nope it's v 2.0.4
12:02<ice_weasel>ok
12:03<fxiny>etch has 2.0 bpo offers 2.4
12:03<ice_weasel>thank you for your help folks
12:03<schlurchz>maxb: same here. I wouldn't call that a good description of what "disabled" is. :-)
12:03<maxb>Well, it's a lot better than it was back when I was struggling with this :-)
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12:04<neal>hello
12:05<themill>OOo 3 from experimental is actually installable within lenny at the moment, but I wouldn't recommend something like that for the faint hearted.
12:05<ice_weasel>:-)
12:05<ice_weasel>i do love a challenge :-)
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12:05<kapat>ice_weasel: In that case, you should try to install it from oo.org. ;-)
12:05<schlurchz>but, for now I can live with the somewhat nebulous belief that an account is "disabled" iff the user cannot login by any means.
12:05<ice_weasel>lol
12:05<themill>ice_weasel: if you really want a challenge, try compiling it from source.
12:06<schlurchz>whatever that "login by any means" actually is.
12:06<ice_weasel>hmm i just might
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12:07<themill>ice_weasel: anyway, be careful with packages from experimental.... I've tried out OOo3 from experimental on my "I don't care when it breaks" box, but haven't gone anywhere near those packages on the machines I care about.
12:07<schlurchz>So, I summarize:
12:07<ice_weasel>ok
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12:07<schlurchz>b) disabled: user cannot login at all. [x] TRUE
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12:08<schlurchz> c) locked: the password is invalidated. The user may still login with other means [x] TRUE
12:08<schlurchz>What about:
12:08<schlurchz>a) expired: the user can login, but must change his password immediately after login?
12:08<schlurchz>I'm pretty sure here
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12:09<schlurchz>And finally: d) inactive: special state. expired since <threshold> days without login. May be automatically disabled?
12:10<ice_weasel>thanks everyone
12:10<ice_weasel>bye bye
12:10<schlurchz>I'm also pretty sure here
12:10*ice_weasel is downloading OO 3.0.1 from OO.org :-)
12:10<schlurchz>maxb: ?
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12:10<maxb>?
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12:10<schlurchz>maxb: :-) is the above correct?
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12:11<Lenhix>Hi guys. I want to run Apache with user and group apache instead of www-data. I did usermod and groupmod to change www-data to apache and edited the User and Group directives in httpd.conf but when I try to start Apache I get this message in the console: install: invalid user `www-data'
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12:11<Lenhix>I don't know what else should I modify. Any ideas?
12:11<kapat>lenhix: did you change the file permissions?
12:12<Lenhix>to which files?
12:12<kapat>lenhix: To the apache config files, log files, binaries, etc
12:12<Lenhix>nope... uhm
12:12<Lenhix>Anyway... the UID is the same
12:12<kapat>lenhix: Oh, ok
12:12<Lenhix>is just did usermod -l apache www-data
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12:13<kapat>lenhix: I would grep through the config files for www-data
12:13<schlurchz>*sigh
12:13<Lenhix>I did. Nothing
12:13<sassi>i cant install my gfx drivers. when i do the screen is black next boot. but i still want to be able to play FPS games and have more then 5fps while doing it.. any suggestions?
12:14<schlurchz>Maybe I should file a wishlist bug against the passwd manpage, or something like that, to get things going... :-/
12:14<Torsten_W>sassi: 1st, "i can't is not an error message
12:14<Lenhix>I think I got it kapat
12:14<Lenhix>There's a line in the init script
12:14<Lenhix>install -d -o www-data /var/lock/apache2
12:14<kapat>ah, nice
12:15<Torsten_W>sassi: 2nd, we don't know, what graphics card u use
12:15<sassi>i use ati radeon hd 3850
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12:15<Lenhix>And apache is running :D
12:15<sassi>and i have tryed all the ways that the doc says and still no luck
12:15<Lenhix>Lunch time...
12:15<Lenhix>thx kapat
12:16<schlurchz>FWIW, http://brandonhutchinson.com/wiki/Linux_Password_Policy is also worthwhile on this subject.
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12:17<schlurchz>But the documentation is really bad here. Maybe this stuff is just too old, dusty unix folklore the elder may tell us stories on long evenings, but with no written documents about the secrets...
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12:18<sassi>so D'Torsten_W : i mean i dont even get a error msg when i install its when i reboot the system i get a black screen and then like erhm red lines on the top... any ides how to fix it ?
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12:27<cosimo>ciao
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12:27<paveq>is it possible to downsize ext3 filesystem on-fly?
12:27<paveq>I know growing is but...
12:28<stew>paveq: not if it is mounted
12:28<paveq>its /usr
12:29<paveq>so I have to reboot, I guess
12:29<paveq>unless I force-umount it
12:29<igh>hey
12:29<igh>just installed debian for first time :)
12:29<kapat>paveq: sounds like fun, force-umounting /usr while up
12:29<kapat>igh: Grats!
12:30<igh>ty
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12:31<paveq>what if I move data in /usr to elsewhere, remount it there, and re-create new /usr..
12:31<ice_weasel>hello again
12:31<paveq>playing with lvm :)
12:31<valdyn>paveq: or why not just move the whole logical volume
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12:32<paveq>I simply need to free some space
12:32<paveq>made too big /usr back then
12:32<valdyn>paveq: so use resize2fs and shrink the lv
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12:32<ice_weasel>please help ... do u guys know why the flash plugin from adobe doesn't work with IceWeasel?
12:33<ice_weasel>the browser that is ... not me :-)
12:33<igh>nope
12:33<valdyn>ice_weasel: it works fine
12:33<paveq>valdyn: yeah, and you think filesystem won't break with that, unless you make sure the filesystem size is decreased first
12:33<ice_weasel>"it works fine" meaning?
12:33<valdyn>paveq: sure
12:33<ice_weasel>did u download the plugin from Adobe?
12:33<valdyn>ice_weasel: that it works fine.
12:33<valdyn>ice_weasel: yes
12:33<ice_weasel>or did u use the nonfree flashplugin?
12:34<valdyn>ice_weasel: are you one of those people trying to use the 32-bit plugin with your 64-bit browser?
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12:34<ice_weasel>err valdyn you are a funny guy :-)
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12:34<ice_weasel>damn!
12:34<ice_weasel>please dont insult me you muppet
12:35<valdyn>!tell ice_weasel -about ask
12:35<paveq>valdyn: it doesn't do online shrinking
12:35<valdyn>paveq: true
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12:36<valdyn>paveq: new lv with lvrename is probably nicer, youre right
12:36<paveq>valdyn: but can I remount /usr to elsewhere on fly
12:36<valdyn>paveq: no
12:36<paveq>uhm
12:37<valdyn>paveq: you *should* be able to unmount /usr in single user runlevel
12:37<valdyn>paveq: oh, what am i thinking
12:37<kapat>paveq: Guaranteed there will be open files on /usr
12:37<valdyn>paveq: you can unmount /usr just fine
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12:37<paveq>meh, I just don't want to restart my irssi
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12:37<valdyn>paveq: thats not a problem
12:38<valdyn>paveq: /usr is not very problematic
12:38<paveq>what happens to running programs when filesystem is taken away
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12:38<ice_weasel>so no-one can help me then? not even that dumb robot
12:38<valdyn>paveq: nothing
12:38<paveq>cool
12:38<paveq>so I just do force-umount it, right?
12:38<paveq>with open files?
12:38<valdyn>paveq: no
12:38<valdyn>paveq: a running program does not leave its binary behind open
12:38<kapat>ice_weasel: you need a better description of your problem
12:39<weasel>and a nickname that doesn't annoy the hell out of me.
12:39<stew>ice_weasel: the plugin works for most people. you'd have to give us more information
12:39<ice_weasel>kapat: i'm trying to install the Adobe Flash on my browser (Ice Weasel) ...
12:39<paveq>valdyn: lot of stuff open in /usr, just looked with lsof
12:39<stew>ice_weasel: how are you trying to install it?
12:39<paveq>mainly libs
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12:39<ice_weasel>it installs but when i try to viw a page with flash it doesnt display @ kapat
12:40<ice_weasel>ok
12:40<ice_weasel>let me explain
12:40<ice_weasel>i go to www.dumbwebsite.com and it's got lots of Flash ...
12:40<paveq>but with different file descriptors
12:40<paveq>mem and txt
12:41<stew>i don't see any flash there
12:41<ice_weasel>ice weasel pops up a message to the effect that "you need a plugin"
12:41<valdyn>paveq: hmm, im totally wrong
12:41<ice_weasel>Good Heavens stew .. u are really thick arent u?
12:41<valdyn>paveq: so you got to quit your irssi
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12:41<themill>ice_weasel: just install the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org
12:41<stew>ice_weasel: no?
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12:42<ice_weasel>thanks themill ... u seem to be the only knowledgeable person here
12:42<igh>lets play nice :)
12:42<stew>ice_weasel: what version of debian are you running?
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12:42<ice_weasel>4.0r6 @ stew
12:42<themill>ice_weasel: hardly
12:42<stew>ice_weasel: how are you trying to install flash? with what command?
12:42<valdyn>paveq: i think this is started programs, not open files
12:42<ice_weasel>no commands ...
12:42<ice_weasel>ice weasel pops up the messsage
12:42<ice_weasel>that i need a plugin to view this page
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12:42<themill>stew: iceweasel2 plugin browser (that never works)
12:43<stew>right
12:43<ice_weasel>click here to install blah blah
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12:43<ice_weasel>i click here
12:43<ice_weasel>it looks like it installs
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12:43<stew>ice_weasel: i'd recommend installing the flashplugin-nonfree package from the contrib section of backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo
12:43<ice_weasel>then reloads the page
12:43<ice_weasel>bu no flash
12:43<ice_weasel>okey dokey ... i'll try the non-free
12:43<ice_weasel>stew does flash work on your debian box?
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12:44<stew>ice_weasel: yes
12:45<ice_weasel>and what did u do to install the flash plugin? coz it doesnt install by default @ stew
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12:45<themill>stew: btw I've given up on flashplugin-nonfree -- for stable users they need backports.org and sensible pinning to get updates properly and users of testing require a testing/unstable mix and also need to get their pinning right. dmm's flashplayer-mozilla seems to be an easier solution to me these days and the instructions are the same across stable/testing/unstable.
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12:45<stew>ice_weasel: what I did has little to do with what you are going to do, since we are running different versions of debian. i'd recommend that if you want to run the non-free flash from adobe, you install the flashplugin-nonfree package from the contrib section of backports.org
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12:46<stew>themill: flashplayer-mozilla avoids the alternatives system?
12:46<themill>stew: no, it uses the alternatives system too
12:46<stew>oh, then the last user i talked to with flashplayer-mozilla must have wedged something
12:46<themill>stew: there was a snafu with it a month or two back but I believe it's fixed now
12:47<ice_weasel>looks like flashplayer-mozilla is the best option then
12:47<themill>In any case, you have to modify your sources.list -- the question is just which is the less painful approach
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12:48<ice_weasel>i have downloaded flashplayer-mozilla_9.0.152.0-0.0_i386.deb
12:49<themill>dpkg: tell ice_weasel about dmme
12:49<preciso-ajuda>need help. how to install unrm? i have deleted important files and i have to recover them
12:49<themill>ice_weasel: you'd be better off following the instructions that dpkg just gave you
12:49<ice_weasel>okey dokey
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12:50<preciso-ajuda>anyone knows how to install unrm on Lenny?
12:51<stew>preciso-ajuda: /msg dpkg apt-file
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12:52<themill>or apt-cache search unrm
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12:53<ice_weasel>themill: so far so good ... added dmme to my sources list and have installed flashplayer-mozilla
12:53<preciso-ajuda>well i have them installed, (appears on usr/bin)
12:54<ice_weasel>now the moment of truth ... restart browser
12:54<preciso-ajuda>how can i use it?
12:54<ice_weasel>c ya laterz
12:54<ice_weasel>brb
12:54<stew>ice_weasel: there should not be a need to restart the browser
12:54<ice_weasel>really?
12:54<stew>really
12:54<ice_weasel>lemme try then
12:55<preciso-ajuda>command unrm dont exist
12:55<preciso-ajuda>but is a unrm dir on usr/bin
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12:56<stew>preciso-ajuda: what makes you say that "command unrm dont exist" ?
12:56<ice_weasel>nahhh complete rubbish :-/
12:56<preciso-ajuda>bash: unrm: command not found
12:56<themill>preciso-ajuda: try running "hash -r" then try again
12:56<ice_weasel>brb
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12:59<preciso-ajuda>same error
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13:01<preciso-ajuda>it appears on /usr/unrm when i apt-file search it
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13:01<preciso-ajuda>usr/bin
13:01<preciso-ajuda>usr/bin/unrm
13:01<preciso-ajuda>but command unrm not works
13:01<ice_weasel>themill stew flash now works fine ... needed a browser restart .... thank you very much for your help
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13:01<ice_weasel>:-)
13:02<ice_weasel>now onto the next challenge ... OpenOffice 3.0.1
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13:02<angelo>rc.org
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13:04<preciso-ajuda>installing tct makes command work. but how can i make it works?
13:04<preciso-ajuda>i have deleted a folder
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13:06<FallenLoki>hallo zusammen
13:07<FallenLoki>ich suche schon die ganze zeit nach der berechnung des vga modus bei grub ... kennt sich hier jemand damit aus ? in den tabellen ist die auflösung 1600x900 nicht zu finden
13:07<stew>!de
13:07<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
13:09<ice_weasel>who the hell is zusammen then?
13:09<preciso-ajuda>i have deleted a hole folder with rm -d. how can i restore it with unrm?
13:09<ice_weasel>uh oh
13:10<rjent>Greetings
13:10<@Ganneff>preciso-ajuda: use your backup.
13:11<rjent>if I have 10 pdf files that I want to print at one time how would I do that from the command line?
13:11<preciso-ajuda>backup? i have no backup.
13:11<@Ganneff>preciso-ajuda: say goodbye to th folder then.
13:11<themill>!tape backup
13:11<dpkg>"Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds
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13:12<preciso-ajuda>but these are sistem folders. i cant think backup them
13:12<ice_weasel>preciso-ajuda: u are up the creek without a paddle my son :-s
13:12<themill>preciso-ajuda: which directory (or directories)?
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13:13<ice_weasel>this unrm utility is for ext2 filesystems anyway preciso-ajuda
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13:16<ice_weasel>preciso-ajuda: i've googled undelete + ext3fs
13:16<ice_weasel> and the reults show that u can use unrm on an ext3fs (which i'm assuming u have)
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13:18<themill>preciso-ajuda: if the directory you wiped out only contained files from debian packages, then something like this should work.... dpkg -S /path/you/deleted | cut -d: -f1 | tr -d , | xargs aptitude --schedule-only install; aptitude install
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13:19*themill waits for stew to construct an aptitude one-liner that would do the same....
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13:19<stew>:) not this time
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13:21<fxiny>call it alchemytude :P
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13:22<preciso-ajuda>well, im searching. (not Deb files, i have deletes my home/user folder, with a whrong command)
13:22<fxiny>good : no folder is needed :P
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13:23<awatkins>Hi all. I apologise if this the wrong place to ask (if so please tell me) but does anyone have any experience with rdiff-backup?
13:23<anno>heyho folks. i followed the "New Maintainer's Guide" in order to create a custom imagemagick deb without X11-dependencies. the deb is fine - almost. i don't want it to contain the 20 MB of html documentation. give me a hint, how do i omit those files? by modifying the (automake-)makefile?
13:24<preciso-ajuda>im using ext3
13:25<ice_weasel>looks like unrm would do the trick then preciso-ajuda
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13:26<preciso-ajuda>ok, do you know the command to recover the folder?
13:26<preciso-ajuda>or list files able to recover
13:26<ice_weasel>preciso-ajuda: check this out compadre http://www.freelists.org/post/linuxtrent/undelete-ext3,2
13:26<ice_weasel>things don't look too good
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13:28<metalqga>undeleting on ext3 is very difficul
13:29<ice_weasel>nigh on impossible :-s
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13:30<metalqga>so backup is my best friend, did my last one this sunday
13:30<preciso-ajuda>what is grep?
13:31<ice_weasel>man grep
13:31<carlosmorales>Por favor el sistema me pide correr dpkg --config - a: donde y cómo lo hago?
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13:31<collapse>hallo
13:32<collapse>#debian.de
13:32<preciso-ajuda>http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html this talks that its possible
13:33<carlosmorales>Please some one the system ask for . run config--dpkg--config-a, where and how I do that
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13:34<craigevil>in a terminal as root
13:34<preciso-ajuda>recover ext3 files
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13:36<collapse>hey ppl i got a little probelm.. would you help me? When i start a flash video (youtube etc) i can't hear anything there is the clip but not the sound >.<
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13:38<collapse>please help
13:38<amjad>Is there a way to specify password as parameter when loginng with ssh
13:38<amjad>something like ssh user@host -p PASSWORD
13:39<christoph>amjad, as far as I know the only way is to use keyauth and have an key with no passworf
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13:40<awatkins>amjad: Or have your environment take care of the key password.
13:40<amjad>christoph, I used once an application that allowed me to use ssh with a -p passord option. But it slipped my memory
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13:41<carlosmorales>Help How I can run the command dpkg--config-a/ the system ask for it
13:41<kapat>collapse: please provide more information. What browser are you using? What version of debian?
13:41<christoph>awatkins, right ssh-add ;) I actually use it regularly
13:41<ice_weasel>certainly sounds promising preciso-ajuda :-)
13:41<awatkins>amjad: Some commands might have their own "password-file" option.
13:42<awatkins>Rsync did/does?
13:42<amjad>I guess it is sshpass
13:42<carlosmorales>Ubuntu 8.10 browser fire fox
13:42<valdyn>amjad: why dont you use public key authentication?
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13:43<amjad>not feasible in my case
13:43<carlosmorales>where and how I find it
13:43<ice_weasel>good luck preciso-ajuda ... looks like it is after all quite possible
13:43<amjad>have to login to client machines
13:43<valdyn>amjad: this is easy to script with expect
13:43<weasel>ice_weasel: please change your nickname.
13:43<amjad>valdyn, how?
13:43<ice_weasel>lol
13:43<goodger>heh
13:43<valdyn>amjad: see manpage
13:44<ice_weasel>weasel u have a bloody cheek
13:44<amjad>ok, thanks
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13:44<awatkins>amjad: Looks like you're right with sshpass. Never knew about that.
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13:44<valdyn>amjad: last time i used expect i used it to talk to my router,i doubt i could even understand that script
13:44<fxiny>carlosmorales: are you running debian ?
13:45<carlosmorales>ubbuntu thks Fxiny
13:45<carlosmorales>ubuntu 8.10
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13:46<fxiny>carlosmorales: so this is not the right chan . you should join freenode.net #ubuntu
13:46-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
13:46<carlosmorales>how I do that
13:46<amjad>awatkins, yes, this is the one I was looking for
13:46<amjad>sshpass -p [yourpassword] ssh [yourusername]@[host]
13:47<fxiny>carlosmorales: /connect irc.freenode.net , then /j #ubuntu
13:47<carlosmorales>means url browser sorry new in linux
13:48<fxiny>carlosmorales: what irc client are you using ?
13:49<carlosmorales>sorry what is it
13:50<fxiny>carlosmorales: where are you typing in ?
13:50*fxiny puts a watson hat on
13:51<carlosmorales>Xchat debian servers
13:51<valdyn>!xchat
13:51<dpkg>it has been said that xchat is a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/ or #xchat @ irc.freenode.net, or in violation of GPL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xchat#Shareware_controversy
13:52<carlosmorales>ok U means get in that site and download from there?
13:53<@Ganneff>!u
13:53<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
13:53<valdyn>carlosmorales: at the same place where you are entering your text to chat with us
13:53<dkr>is there a way to correct a dpkg factoid with s///? e.g. s/transperancy/transparency/g
13:53<valdyn>carlosmorales: you enter "/connect irc.freenode.net"<enter> and wait till it connects , then enter /j #ubuntu
13:54<stew>!xchat =~ s/transperancy/transparency/
13:54<dpkg>stew: OK
13:54<stew>dkr: ^^
13:54<dkr>I know about no, x is foo, or x is also, but . ah =~, obviously, :)
13:54<carlosmorales>ok thks thks every body
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13:54<carlosmorales>where write it transperancy
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13:55<stew>dkr: valid delimiters are [/,#] ; i believe it is always global (s///g)
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13:56<c4_>hi
13:56-!-vpernice [~vpernice@151.66.21.36] has joined #debian
13:57<c4_>is: Everyday is like sunday or: Every day is like sunday, what is best?
13:57<fxiny>anything but monday
13:57<dkr>!xchat =~ s/transperancy/transparency/
13:57<dpkg>OK, dkr
13:57<c4_>8oD
13:58<dkr>nope, it wasn't global. :)
13:58<metalqga>i love friday nights best
13:59<c4_>my everyday shoes, every day i use thc
13:59<fxiny>c4: the best is friday , ask Robert Smith
13:59*metalqga fxiny we really think alike
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14:03<c4_>why Morrisey says everyday is like sunday? it sounds better: every day is like sunday
14:03<c4_>or that girl from 10000 maniacs
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14:04<stew>c4_: try #debian-offtopic or #moocows for social chat, or perhaps #english on irc.freenode.net
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14:04<c4_>cause everyday is an adjetive
14:05<c4_>ok stew
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14:05<c4_>but here ppl is more inteligent
14:06<streuner_>go away, you are boring
14:06<kapat>c4_: Intelligent?
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14:07<carlosmorales>irc.freenode.net
14:07<c4_>smart
14:07<c4_>wise
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14:08<dkr>capable of understanding when they are being corrected rather than asked a question despite the question mark. :)
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14:12<linuxguy>hi guys
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14:14<linuxguy>I have an old debian box and it has several kernels installed. I put a sata controller in it and it didnt boot. then I took it out and it still wont finish booting it stops at "bluetooth l2cap socket layer initialized"
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14:15<linuxguy>every kernel I have tried it does, would going into single user mode and putting bluethooth in the blacklist so it doesnt get loaded at boot help?
14:15<mase>what boot parameters do you use?
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14:16<linuxguy>hold on let me reboot and get into grub
14:16<mase>well you dont need
14:16<mase>(you can read it in the grub config)
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14:18<linuxguy>well the problem is it wont finish booting so I dont know how I would see other than to boot to something else.
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14:18<mase>? sorry, i don't get you. can you list "/boot/grub/menu.lst"?
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14:20<mase>oh, sorry, i missread your question. whats the problem again?
14:21<linuxguy>it stops at the bluetooth l2cap socket layer initialized and doesnt finish booting
14:21<linuxguy>I got to the command line on grub. and I cated the file.
14:22<linuxguy>why doesnt grub have a text editor on the command line?
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14:22<azeem>linuxguy: grub2 might have one
14:22<mase>well it has a kind of editor...
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14:22<mase>by pressing "e"
14:22<mase>i think...
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14:22<linuxguy>cool. I didnt see that in the help
14:22<azeem>it's a line editor
14:23<linuxguy>edlin!!!
14:23<linuxguy>havent used something like that in 10 years
14:23<mase>yes, but it doeas the job
14:23<linuxguy>yea, line editing works.
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14:23<linuxguy>its great if you dont have a lot of screen control (i.e. really dumb terminal)
14:24<mase>normally you just have to add a "s" to the kernel parameters line to boot into single-user-mode
14:25<mase>does it boot into single-user-mode or does it have the same problem?
14:25<linuxguy>I have a single user mode setup already, was about to boot into it and put the bluetooth kernel module in the blacklist.
14:25<linuxguy>do you think that would help. hold on I will try single user mode
14:25*linuxguy crosses his fingers, and toes for good luck.
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14:27<mase>could work. tell whats happening :O
14:27<udin>italiani?
14:27<linuxguy>what sucks is I have power it down or reset it everytime and the it has to check the filesystem alot.
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14:28<mase>oh, ok...
14:28<mase>so be glad that the module is not built into the kernel ;)
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14:30<linuxguy>yea. that would suck.
14:31<udin>any female here?
14:31<mase>very funny....
14:31<stew>udin: the gender of people in here shouldn't be a concen. do you have any debian related questions?
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14:31<stew>udin: if you are looking for social chat, try #debian-offtopic or #moocows
14:31<udin>i listen
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14:31<linuxguy>never thought I would see a A/S/L in #debian
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14:32<steffan>christoph: ping.
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14:32<christoph>steffan, pong?
14:33<steffan>christoph: you said my nick?
14:33<steffan>or was it by mistake? :-)
14:33<christoph>jup it was an mistake, sorry
14:33<steffan>oh, no problem. :-)
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14:34<mase>btw: on next friday the 13th, the linux epoch time reaches 1234567890 (i heard)
14:34<Jpdota>=D
14:34<linuxguy>yep I saw some perl to show you what time it will be for you locally
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14:35<linuxguy>its on slash dot.
14:35<goodger>or you could just have an awareness of what timezone you're in and add the offset to the time in UTC
14:36<maxb>Or, you could just run 'date -d @1234567890'
14:36<linuxguy>yes, but that wouldnt involve perl
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14:37<linuxguy>that is one of the few things I dont like about debian, if you break perl, apt-get stops working.
14:38<mase>really? a debootstrap inherits a perl-installation?
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14:39<linuxguy> I have broken perl twice, due to libc stuff. and both times I had to reinstall.
14:39<dondelelcaro>huh?
14:39<linuxguy>I am sure someone could have fixed it, but the packages were so messed up it wasnt worth it.
14:39<kapat>linuxguy: At least dpkg still works
14:39<mase>but you normaly don't need perl for apt-get in any way?
14:39<linuxguy>really???
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14:40<dondelelcaro>apt-get doesn't depend on perl. Lots of things that apt-get *installs* use perl, but that shouldn't be surprising
14:40<linuxguy>maybe that has changed, this was a couple of years ago, but remeber trying dselect, and then apt-get and both times it didnt work saying something about the perl interpeter
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14:41<dondelelcaro>if you screw up perl, you're going to break a large number of things that use perl, like debconf, etc.
14:41<themill>any maintainer scripts that use debconf will have issues
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14:41<linuxguy>and something about libc. it was so bad that if I typed login at the command promt and tried to log it would give a core dump. then I made the mistake of rebooting.
14:41<dondelelcaro>(but it's kind of difficult to screw up perl, and it's not all that difficult to fix)
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14:43<mase>linuxguy whats about your prob?
14:43<linuxguy>what I did was screw up libc then tried to use kpackage and alien to get other versions of libc to work so I could get apt-get back and fix it. but everything I did seem to make it worse. plus when I rebooted login stopped working.
14:43<dondelelcaro>so you boot using a busybox static shell, and rebuild from there
14:43<mase>oh i mean the bluetooth stuff
14:44<linuxguy>just checked its at the enter root password for mantience brb
14:44<udin>...
14:44<udin>format all
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14:46<linuxguy>whats the name of the bluetooth kernel module?
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14:47<mase>good question
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14:47<mase>don't have a bluetooth-using computer around
14:47<mase>mom
14:47<linuxguy>i did lsmod and grep for blue bt and b and didnt see anythig.
14:48<linuxguy>thats the thing I dont have a bluetooth adapter in this box.
14:48<linuxguy>I dont know why its trying to load it.
14:48<metalqga>mase me too, but it's modules load at start which is annoying me
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14:48<mase>there is a "bluetooth" module (not loaded on my side because i don't have any bluetooth)
14:49<Jpdota>linuxguy: did you try disabling it in bios? or is there a switch on the computer to turn it off?
14:49<linuxguy>I even tried putting a known good bluetooth adapter in it and same thing. even let it sit over night hopeing it time out or something. but single user mode work
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14:49<linuxguy>disabling what in the bios? it doesnt have bluetooth, its an old desktop.
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14:49<mase>oh?
14:50<linuxguy>so do you think that bluetooth is compiled into the kernel?
14:50<mase>but that error should not appear... never heared about that...
14:50<Jpdota>linuxguy: :X didn't know
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14:50<linuxguy>crap. how about installing a new kernel?
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14:51<kapat>linuxguy: can you boot from a rescue cd?
14:51<mase>well, you can boot into single-user-mode so it should not be a (direct) kernel problem
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14:51<sebi>how does xrandr obtain it's information
14:51<linuxguy>hmm, if its not the kenel loading bluetooth, where is it?
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14:52<mase>sebi from the X-Server?
14:52<sebi>no
14:52<sebi>its sending it there , i guess
14:52<kapat>linuxguy: can you disable the bluetooth init script in single user mode?
14:52<linuxguy>in /etc/init.d?
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14:52<kapat>yes
14:52<c36pop>hi ; when i start debian ; my wireless card a iwl3945 do not starts each tim ; sometime i have to reboot 3 times to get it working
14:52<linuxguy>good point, thanks. will try it now.
14:53<kapat>linuxguy: or, if you don't have any bluetooth on the system, just aptitude purge blue(whatever)
14:53<mase>c36pop had an problem like you...
14:53<sebi>the problem is that xrandr is getting the values wrong but read-edid does not ... any ideas how to fix this ?
14:53<c36pop>mase: did you fixed it ?
14:53<linuxguy>ok, will try init file first. but if that doesnt work I will try your way.
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14:55<mase>c36pop not really, another hot-spot worked. seemed to be a timeout error. but you don't have to reboot each time. a "ifdown"/"ifup" had the same effect; sometime it worked, sometimes not (syslog showed timeout errors)
14:55<c36pop>mase: but if i type ip link show i do not see the interface
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14:56<mase>c36pop may be ok since it does show up until it has a link and is configured
14:57<c36pop>mase : ok i ll try thanks
14:57<mase>c36pop sorry, i don't have that laptop here at the moment
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14:58<mase>c36pop but you have installed the firmware for the iwl?
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15:00<linuxguy>hey kapat your idea worked!!!!
15:01<kapat>linuxguy: nice
15:01<linuxguy>you rock!!!
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15:05<Guest614>hey guyz, my IP cam uploads mJpeg pictures to my computer, and I want to be able to "stream" these images
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15:06<Guest614>via rtsp or http to my cellphone. Is there a server which takes a succession of .jpeg files and serves them in these ways?
15:07<mase>oh, i think this is quite difficult.
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15:07<mase>may be "mencoder" from the mplayer is able to accept mjpeg and stream that
15:07<mase>or "ffmpeg"
15:08<Guest614>I was thinking along the lines of an http server that updates with a new image ever second
15:08<Guest614>or everytime a new file is recieved
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15:08<Guest614>that way it could be viewd with a standart browser?
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15:08<mase>ak, that should be possible, do you have a web-server?
15:08<mase>-ak + ok
15:09<Guest614>yea i have apache isntalled
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15:11<mase>so you could write a script that loads a still image (jpeg, not mjpeg) and write a web-page with the image that causes to get reloaded every second
15:11<Guest614>yea thats one method I want to try
15:12<mase>ok. whats the prob with that?
15:13<linuxguy>isnt it kinda processer instensive on the client side?
15:13<Guest614>yea, the client is the google android phone
15:13<mase>not with 1fps, is it?
15:14<Guest614>i would rather though, encode each jpeg into a streaming mpeg4
15:14<Guest614>there is an applicaton called meridan player for the android which supports those streams
15:14<linuxguy>they dont have vlc for android yet?
15:15<Guest614>im thinking use mplayer to stream the mpeg
15:15<Guest614>i dont think so not quite sure
15:16<linuxguy>I checked, they havent got done yet.
15:16<mase>what brand of camera do you have? the mjpeg-streams are not alway as standarized as considered :(
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15:17<dkr>yeah, i crashed my digital picture frame with an mjpeg. :)
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15:17<linuxguy>did you brick it?
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15:17<dkr>no, just had to power-cycle
15:17<linuxguy>oh ok.
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15:18<Guest614>well its a trendnet tv-ip110w, bascailly whats going on is when it dectets motion, it uploads jpegs to my ftp server
15:18<Guest614>and sends an email to exim4 on the same server, then that sends an alert to my phone
15:18<Guest614>so I want to take these jpegs that come in and stream them via mpeg to my android which has a viewer that can handle that via rtsp
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15:18<sprok>can someone using an aspire one help me get my sd card reader to work? (i have a 2.6.27 kernel)
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15:21<mase>sprok i don't have an aspire but doen't the cardreader appear as an USB/Scsi-device? (like /dev/sda, /dev/sdb etc)?
15:21<sprok>mase, nope
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15:22<sprok>mase, i know it should
15:22<steph>sprok did u watch this?http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#head-ae1a2c87c0b890f6dd4affb6e36720cd3bfab36c
15:22<mase>sprok with card inserted?
15:22<sprok>steph, yup i figured it probably doesn't work cause im using a '27 kernel... which i need for the wifi
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15:23<steph>i have 2.6.24 wifi work too with madwifi
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15:25<sprok>mase, now that u mention it ...it could be the adapter (im trying to read a micro sd)
15:26<mase>I'm just asking...
15:27<sprok>mase, it does completely ignore the card... so it could be that
15:28<mase>i don't know, may be it's a "spezial" hardware that needs a "spezial" kenel module...
15:29<kapat>sprok: Did you google the lspci output?
15:29<steph>sprok there 2 kind of card readers the left is different than the right one
15:31<sprok>steph, yeah... i guess that could make it even more complex
15:32<steph>but the left one should works
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15:32<steph>problemes with the right one are with suspend etc..
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15:35<lblack>hi anyone know if possible convert amd64.deb to i386.dev?
15:36<christoph>lblack, no that's not possbile
15:36<christoph>if you can get hold on an source package you can build i386 by yourself however
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15:38<lblack>oks that are xD! thanks
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15:39<mase>lblack what are you going to do?
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15:40<Stuckey>Hello
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15:41<Stuckey>Does anyone know of a good e-mail program?
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15:43<christoph>Stuckey, mutt?
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15:44<mase>Stuckey client or server or MTA?
15:44<cahoot>Stuckey: define 'good'
15:44<Stuckey>mase: Client
15:44<kapat>Stuckey: I assume you want a GUI
15:44<mase>Stuckey i like kmail
15:45<Stuckey>cahoot: I'm not exactly sure... I've always used webmail.
15:45<Stuckey>kapat: Not necessarily
15:45<Stuckey>kapat: I actually prefer cli
15:45<cahoot>mutt then
15:45<kapat>Stuckey: Then look at mutt
15:45<ranix>I like squirrelmail
15:45<ranix>imap
15:45<dkr>pine :)
15:46<ranix>there's also thunderbird
15:46<ranix>if you're a lazy sob
15:46<kapat>My friend told me he used "cat message | mail" for a while
15:46<dkr>ranix: you mean icedove. :)
15:46<ranix>yeah done that
15:46<ranix>dkr: lol
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15:46<kapat>I wouldn't really call that a mail client however.
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15:47<Stuckey>Is there a way to browse the apt repository by sections?
15:47<ranix>I still do while read foo; do cat foo | sendmail user@bar.com;done
15:47<dkr>Stuckey: aptitude has an option to browse by categories
15:47<ranix>there's also dselect no?
15:48<dkr>Stuckey: the "views" menu option
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15:48<Stuckey>dkr: Thanks!
15:48<frenk>ciao
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15:48<sassi>if i have a .iso file and try to run it true pscx why dosen the pscx window disaper?..
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15:49<dkr>what is pscx?
15:50<dkr>(no results from my aptitude search)
15:50<sassi>pcsx *
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15:50<sassi>tryed like 8 different games.
15:51<ranix>pcsx-df - Sony PlayStation emulator -- binary
15:51<dkr>oh, a playstation emulator
15:51<ranix>sassi: do you perhaps not have a rom
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15:51<frenk>come si installa plugin per kaffeine
15:52<ranix>!es
15:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:52<mase>sassi do you have to mount that file before?
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15:52<ranix>mase: pcsx has iso support, it can read an iso file
15:52<ranix>iirc
15:52<sassi>i have no ide.. ive tryed to use a ps2 game in the cdrom and tryed to run a iso file directly. and nothing works
15:52<frenk>qualcuno mi risponde per favore
15:53<dkr>!it
15:53<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:53<sassi>so i hafto mount the img first or ? if yes then wich application is good for mounting with..
15:53<dkr>ranix: wrong language, :)
15:53<stevecotton>(re: pcsx) Is there a name for the law that, once a Debian package has one release-critical bug, it will get a more installs and probably more RC bugs?
15:53<ranix>thanks dkr
15:53<ranix>dkr: I just figured that out and went to google to find out if it was portuguese or italian
15:54<ranix>I am bad with differentiating the mediterranean languages from west european
15:54<dkr>we should install Lingua::Identify into dpkg
15:54<Stuckey>Could anyone help me set up Mutt? Where is the config file located?
15:55<dkr>~/.muttrc probably. maybe read the docs?
15:55<kapat>Stuckey: lol, getting started with mutt is like learning a new language
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15:55<Stuckey>dkr: That's what the docs said but that file isn't there.
15:55<dkr>so create it
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15:56<Stuckey>kapat: so there's a lot to learn before using this?
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15:57<kapat>Stuckey: I would say yes. Perhaps others disagree with me.
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15:57<kapat>Stuckey: Let's just say it's not like installing thunderbird/icedove
15:57<Stuckey>kapat: Well as long as it's worth it
15:58<kapat>Stuckey: That is very debatable. Depends on what you want to do.
15:58<Stuckey>kapat: I just want a decent mail client.
15:58<kapat>Stuckey: The "decent" part is the problem. That means different things to different people
15:59<simonrvn>mutt - the mail client that sucks less
15:59<Stuckey>kapat: I'm tired of using webmail and I want to learn to use something new... how about that?
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15:59<Efex>lol
15:59<Tech-Frog>Linux is hairy
15:59<kapat>Stuckey: I would just go try a bunch and find what you like. For GUI there is Thunderbird/icedove, kmail, evolution
15:59<Tech-Frog>Linux is hairy
15:59<Efex>Oh really?
15:59<Tech-Frog>Yes really, Linux is hariy.
15:59<azeem>Tech-Frog: do you have a Debian question?
15:59<Tech-Frog>Nope
15:59<kapat>Stucky: for command line, there is mutt and pine, those are the major ones I know of
15:59<simonrvn>tb3 isn't bad, it's faster
15:59<azeem>Tech-Frog: then please either keep quiet or leave
16:00<Tech-Frog>k
16:00<Tech-Frog>Bacon Spheres.
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16:00<Efex>Oi...tard. Anyways, I do in fact have a debian question. I'm attempting to toss Debian onto my USB drive to run off of there, but i'm running into problems.
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16:01<Efex>I looked online for a solution and recall seeing one, but for some reason the site seems different now and I can't find a guide to doing that.
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16:05<Efex>Err...I guess I'll try back later, then...or keep looking.
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16:07<studio>salut tlm
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16:08<tatotony>ciao
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16:09<ranix>tatotony just joined, said 'ciao', and quit
16:10<ranix>for anyone who might have missed it
16:10<ranix>this has been your up-to-the-minute coverage of #debian
16:11<simonrvn>yeh. people do that.
16:12<Efex>ranix: Thanks for the update, man. I did infact miss it.
16:12<Efex>I'll log this event for future reference...
16:12<dkr>ranix: it's appropriate since ciao can be used to say hello and good-bye. :)
16:12*ranix puts on his robe and wizard hat.
16:12<Efex>hahahaha
16:13*dkr shoots first.
16:13<Efex>awkward...
16:13<simonrvn>Efex: as for your issue, did you check the debian wiki?
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16:14<Efex>yes...but it's entirely possible that i missed it completely
16:14<simonrvn>!listkeys usb
16:14<dpkg>Factoid search of 'usb' by key (15 of 88): #debian speedtouch usb ;; #debian usb install ;; #debian usbmouse ;; _default usb mount ;; _default usbstorage ;; at76_usb ;; at76_usb install ;; at76_usb-install ;; orinoco_usb ;; rt2500usb ;; rt2501usb ;; usb cdburner ;; usb_storage ;; wusb11v3 ;; wusb54g.
16:14<simonrvn>!usb install
16:14<dpkg>i heard usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian)
16:14<simonrvn>Efex: ^^^
16:14<Stuckey>!listkeys
16:15<Stuckey>!listkeys dvd
16:15<dpkg>Factoid search of 'dvd' by key (15 of 38): #debian dvd ;; #debian dvd images ;; #debian libdvdcss ;; #debian libdvdcss2 ;; #debian sarge dvds ;; _default dvd images ;; _default dvd-linux ;; dvd ;; dvd drive keeps spinning ;; dvd playback troubleshooting ;; dvd+rw ;; dvdripping ;; libdvdcss ;; playing dvd ;; rip dvd.
16:15<ranix>simonrvn has the magical ability to control the bot
16:15<simonrvn>Stuckey: if you're going to do that more than once, /msg the bot
16:15<Efex>simonrvn: thanks, man!
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16:15<simonrvn>nothing magical about it :)
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16:15<Stuckey>that's pretty cool
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16:16<simonrvn>22K + factoids, gotta have a way to find them if you don't know for sure
16:16<Stuckey>Who writes all of this?
16:16<Efex>haha yeah there's quite a bit to learn...
16:17<Efex>Stuckey: they hire a team of hamsters to get the job done.
16:17<simonrvn>various people over the years
16:17<Efex>each one takes a key and jumps in the correct sequence, etc
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16:17<simonrvn>though i like your "explanation" better, it's more amusing
16:18<Efex>haha thanks =) it was a funny image to think about, so i figured i'd share it
16:18<ranix>a million monkeys and a million typewriterw
16:18<ranix>s
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16:26<Stuckey>But it leaves me wondering how any team of hamsters could know so much about Debian...
16:27<Efex>Stuckey: You'd be surprised. Many different versions of Linux have been written by hamsters.
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16:27<Stuckey>He must be talking about Ubuntu.
16:27<Efex>LOL Well played, sir.
16:27<goodger>quite
16:28<goodger>"a million monkeys on a million typewriters will eventually produce the complete debian operating system source code. unfortunately, they will also produce a lot of copies of the ubuntu source code in the process"
16:28<Lenhix>LOL
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16:29<engywuck>hi
16:29<Lenhix>hi engywuck
16:29<Efex>hi engywuck
16:29<engywuck>what filesystem would you use for a program that uses some 100k small files (sub-1k each)?
16:30<engywuck>oh, and all of them in one directory....
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16:31<dkr>xfs is highest performance, right? don't have much experience with it myself. obviously you'd want to use a small block size
16:31<Lenhix>Uh-oh... I don't know that much about filesystems. I'd say tmpfs if there weren't so many files
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16:31<engywuck>i used tmpfs... ran out of memory after 88k of them :)
16:32<Lenhix>Just what I thought
16:32<engywuck>i thought about xfs or reiser(4)
16:33<engywuck>xfs because of 512 byte blocks
16:33<Lenhix>I don't know if there's a comparison between filesystems in Wikipedia (or any other site like it)
16:34<dkr>!filesystem
16:34<dpkg>Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/
16:34<dkr>huge? :)
16:34<engywuck>these comparisons unfortunately always fall short in grasping the concept of useing half a million 100 byte files :)
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16:35<Stuckey>engywuck: why are you using half a million 100 byte files?
16:35<engywuck>there's some program that unfortunately creates them during use as temp files
16:35<dkr>credit card database hijacking. 8^)
16:35<engywuck>nah
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16:36<engywuck>thanks for your ghelp, anyway
16:36<engywuck>-g
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16:38<Lenhix>engywuck, why do you have half a million files in one dir and all that small?
16:38<Lenhix>(I can't think of any good answer to that :P)
16:39<engywuck>amok-running filter for IMAP-mails and trying to sort them out
16:39<engywuck>and no, I will *not* change the program I am using knowing that it *can* download all of these files from the mailserv
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16:40<engywuck>so I set up a loop-file now :)
16:40<engywuck>thanks again
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16:40<Lenhix>I'm not saying anything about that, calm down
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16:56<hmn>i have a question. i know bitchx has had some security problems in the past, is it fixed in lenny now?
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16:57<stew>hmn: its removed from lenny now becuase of the security problems
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16:57<hmn>stew, hmm
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16:57<stew>hmn: most likely never to return to debian again, since it has been abandoned upstream
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16:57<pro>hi
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16:58<hmn>ok. thanks
16:58<pro>do somebody got a HDA Intel (Realtek ALC262) sound chip?
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17:01<hahnp>me
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17:03<pro>is it running well on linux?
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17:05<hahnp>yes
17:06<hahnp>works well for me
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17:06<hmn>is it safe to remove all packages in the aptitude section "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages"?
17:06<steph>its running its hda module
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17:07<pro>hahnp, can u pls give me a link to a working driver?
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17:07<pro>i'm searching for about 3 hours and it fucks me up
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17:08<steph>may you should build the driver from alsa to get the last ones
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17:10<hahnp>hm no sorry
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17:25<ubuntu>openssl req -nodes -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout nick.key -x509 -days 365 -out nick.cer
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17:27<k1lumin4t1>gparted won't make FAT filesystems
17:29<jw_>k1lumin4t1: was that a question or an observation?
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17:29<k1lumin4t1>jw_, a question
17:29<boehser>gn8 guys
17:29<k1lumin4t1>jw_, I just opened a usb drive for partitioning with gparted and it isn't possible to create FAT
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17:30<jw_>k1lumin4t1: gparted/0.3.8 works for me
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17:33<k1lumin4t1>jw_, I have same version but FAT appears almost all red-xed
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17:34<boehser>i had some bad experiences with fat32 and win/lin use
17:34<boehser>now its all ext3 :-)
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17:35<Lenhix>Do you ppl know if there's any app for Win that can read/give access to ext3 partitions?
17:36<boehser>ext2 manager
17:36<boehser>just google 4 it
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17:36<Lenhix>ok
17:36<boehser>it works in tray and u can use the hdd like any usually
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17:37<k1lumin4t1>jw_, sorted it out. Somehow some programs were missing, but I always thought gparted had them as dependencies
17:37<boehser>http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=43775
17:37<boehser>its this one
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17:38<boehser>gn8 now
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17:38<boehser>good luck ;)
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17:39<What-s_my>Hi! Whenever my nfs server updates its IP address (due to ISF's modem reboot), I restart NFS services on server (invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart) and clients(invoke-rc.d nfs-common restart), but still I can't access shared files, and ls, or whatever command to access my /home/$USER where it's mounted, freezes. What should I do?
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17:40<k1lumin4t1>What-s_my, use hostnames instead of IP addresses
17:40<rodrigues>eu quero saber como entra no debian brasil?
17:41<What-s_my>k1lumin4t1, what do you mean?
17:42<k1lumin4t1>What-s_my, set up any dynamic DNS services to your nfs server and client hosts and then change exports and hosts.* (if it's the case) to use the hostnames you acquire
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17:50<What-s_my>k1lumin4t1, server updates dynDNS, and client updates /etc/hosts when the result of host command changes compared to hosts' server's line
17:50<enouf>What-s_my: you sure you want to be using invoke-rc.d for that? it'll only restart in the runlevel you're in - and there's other nfs related startup files, namely /etc/rcS.d/ and then you have the nfs related files in /etc/default/ that might have somethings set (or not) which might be causing unexpected bahaviour? But, please don't entirely restart unless you are sure you can deal with any possible consequences
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17:54<What-s_my>enouf, I usually use '/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart', but no way, the best to get things right is to reboot every machine. It's obviously not normal.
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18:07<gnufan_>I have an issue in X. Sometimes when typing (usually in Thunderbird) in GNOME, I lose the ability to enter characters, and the mouse clicks stop responding as expected. When it happens it affects other X applications. It is happening now. I think it must have been due to a recent update. Is this a known issues, and does anyone need any diagnostics before I restart X.
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18:07*gnufan_ is using irssi because X is borked
18:08<gnufan_>Oh this is lenny - well kind of lenny...
18:08<themill>"kind of"?
18:08<gnufan_>Lenny isn't released yet!
18:08<avu>it's still lenny :)
18:09*gbp is still trying to figure out ways to optimize firefox performance under X :/
18:09<stew>gbp: buy more ram
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18:09<gnufan_>I'm hoping it'll be fixed in lenny -- or I'll discover I did something stupid. Only thing I recall fiddling with recently was sound card and it broke once before I fiddled.
18:10<gnufan_>gbp: remove plugins ;)
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18:11<themill>gnufan_: nothing you have installed is likely to change in the next week before lenny releases, least of all X.
18:11<gbp>stew: 1.2Gb ram !
18:11<streuner>gbp: buy MORE RAM :-)
18:11<gbp>streuner: =)
18:11<streuner>gbp: ;-)
18:11<gbp>gnufan: i don't have any plugins besides the default install =/
18:11<gnufan_>themill: surely that depends how many others have the same problem ;)
18:12<gbp>i think the problem is video card settings or cpu :(
18:12<streuner>gbp: no, we told you
18:12<themill>gnufan_: you think we'd be at this stage of the release cycle if lenny's X were completely borked?
18:12<streuner>gbp: modern browers sucks...
18:13<gbp>streuner: well my memory usage according to the O/S is not high
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18:13<stew>gbp: your memory usage isn't high? firefox must not be running then
18:14<gnufan_>themill: that is what testing is for ;) But no I didn't have this issue till recently - I did get several updates of X libraries, so I'm guessing there is scope for a new bug
18:14<gbp> total used free 1265 510 754
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18:16<stew>its been a long time since i've seen firefox using that little memory
18:16<gnufan_>haha finally have found an error message to google... Now if only I could type it into my browser :(
18:16<themill>gnufan_: there haven't been any X updates for over 4 weeks. That's not really recent. If you're machine actually up to date?
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18:19<bighornram>anyone have a suggestion how to resolve a plugin problem with totem? I am able to open an asf file with mplayer but totem will not open it.
18:20<gnufan_>themill: yes - up to date. See error refers to problems accessing ACPI socket, although why that should keep changing mid editing of emails.
18:20<gbp>stew: my browser seems to struggle with JavaScript and any moving images, it's fairly annoying :|
18:22<themill>gnufan_: any errors in the Xorg log files? Or from the kernel about PS/2 sync being lost? or similar?
18:22<gnufan_>themill: that is the one
18:23<gnufan_>themill: you have a bug report I was reading something similar in derkeiller
18:24<themill>gnufan_: I saw that error with this laptop with etch's kernel but upgrading to 2.6.20-something solved that.
18:25<gnufan_>themill: says "No APM support in BIOS or kernel"
18:25<themill>that's to be expected with a relatively new machine though
18:26<gnufan_>themill: says "Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded" these three errors reported everytime my mouse clicks mess up.
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18:27<Guistoid>!etch
18:27<dpkg>it has been said that etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r6>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
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18:28<levani>Hey guys, what the hack is Iceweasel? I "apt-get installed firefox and ran it and am getting iceweasel"
18:28<levani>how do I get the forefox3?
18:29<Guistoid>tell levani -about firefox
18:29<stew>levani: /msg dpkg iceweasel ; /msg dpkg why iceweasel
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18:30<levani>Ok, how do i get iceweasel3 then?
18:31<levani>And how do I install a webcam?
18:31<steph>^^
18:31<steffan>stew: aptitude install iceweasel
18:31<steffan>levani: sorry^
18:32<steffan>levani: you can search for packages in aptitude, using 'aptitude search <>' and then 'aptitude install <>' to install packages.
18:32<levani>steffan, I already have iceweasel. but I need iceweasel3
18:32<steffan>levani: then update/upgrade?
18:32<steffan>!tell levani about webcam
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18:33<gnufan_>themill: absence of acpid likely to be the problem do you think. Certainly would explain why it can't open the socket.
18:34<levani>steffan, that's a hell fo a manual fo installing a webcam
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18:35<steffan>levani: we point you in the right direction, and it might help if you were a bit more specific than 'webcam'.
18:35<themill>gnufan_: it would explain not being able to open the socket, but I can't imagine it being involved in your kb and mouse issues
18:35<steffan>levani: did you 'aptitude update' before you 'aptitude install iceweasel', by the way? :-)
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18:37<themill>levani: etch or lenny?
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18:38<levani>it was netinstall, dont now which it is themill
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18:38<steffan>themill: iceweasel is only in-place of firefox since Etch. :-)
18:38<levani>I'm most cncerned about webcam installation right now
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18:39<steffan>levani: what webcam? and did you read the URLs dpkg gave to you?
18:40<themill>steffan: yes, and lenny comes after etch.
18:40<gnufan_>themill: I installed acpid now it says open succeeded, but it is still bust. So I assume the log entries are some sort of recovery. Although possibly restarting hald underneath GNOME isn't "cool".
18:40<themill>levani: what's the output of "uname -r"
18:40<levani>steffan, it was in franch...
18:40<levani>uname -r
18:40<levani>themill, 2.6.18-6-686
18:41<themill>levani: in that case you have no chance of getting iceweasel 3 to work on your machine. You may as well stop wasting time on it.
18:41<levani>046d:08d9 Logitech, Inc.
18:41<levani>themill, why?
18:41<gnufan_>open succeeded for the apcid.socket that is. And the no APM support warning went away, but my mouse is still "Configured"
18:41<stew>levani: it requires newer libraries (gtk) not easily backported to etch
18:42<themill>levani: you have "etch". iceweasel 3 is not part of etch and never will be. It also requires newer libraries that are available for etch.
18:42<steffan>themill: sorry :-)
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18:42<levani>so I have the wrong version of Debian installed... right? the site maed me downlaod this
18:42<themill>steffan: no worries... this is becoming a FAQ... :(
18:43<levani>my webcam is: 046d:08d9 Logitech, Inc.
18:43<themill>levani: it's not the "wrong version", it's just not a version that will allow you to install iceweasel 3.
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18:43<levani>Is theer any utility to that would install it properly?
18:44<levani>themill, would I be able to still downlaod and run foerfox 3 on my own?
18:44<themill>no
18:44<steph>you could upgrade to lenny then get icewesel3 , and see it the webcam ''X" works
18:44<themill>levani: you can upgrade your machine from etch to lenny though. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
18:44<levani>so Etch is Stable release and lenny is Dev?
18:45<Gun_Smoke>is there a clever way of reducing the size of a pdf down? I use pdftk all the time but it does not support scaling.. I need a 53M pdf down to about 15 or 20.
18:45<themill>!lenny
18:45<dpkg>from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release (5.0, currently also known as "testing"). Lenny will be released real soon now.... To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. See also <wwlr> <testing> and <lenny status>.
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18:46<stew>Gun_Smoke: you could lower the dpi
18:46<levani>that might be too overwhelming for a newbie like me (upgrade)
18:46<levani>Where can i downlaod Lenny?
18:46<stew>levani: lenny is currently 'testing'. it should be stable within the next week or so
18:46<themill>Gun_Smoke: KDE's print-to-pdf virtual print driver has the ability to downsample images and fiddle with image compression. I imagine that gs and similar will be able to do similar things.
18:47<levani>So then it will become Etch right? (trying to undestand the names)
18:47<levani>Etch, Lenny, any others I shold know about? lol
18:47<avu>levani, lenny will stay lenny
18:48<gnufan_>What is the Bonobo Activation server - and why would I want one left when I've logged out?
18:48<stew>levani: no, then lenny becomes stable, etch becomes oldstable and squeeze becomes testing
18:48<Gun_Smoke>themill, I had a look through Evince's print setting nothing there.. So I just gave it a go to see, and it nearly doubled in size. ha!
18:48<levani>There was Sid a while ago, s it's an old Debian?
18:49<avu>levani, no, sid is unstable
18:49<stew>levani: sid is always 'unstable'
18:49<themill>Gun_Smoke: yay!
18:49<gnufan_>levani: sometimes it helps to have seen Toy Story ;)
18:49<Gun_Smoke>themill, wrong doubled..
18:49<levani>avu, stew, do these names change over time?
18:49<Gun_Smoke>I want half
18:50<levani>wheer can I read about releases? and understand the names?
18:50<themill>Gun_Smoke: yeah yeah. Stop being so fussy.
18:50<Gun_Smoke>heh
18:50<avu>levani, every new relaese starts out as testing with a new name
18:50<stew>levani: everytime debian makes a new major stable release, a new testing with a new name is created, and what was testing becomes stable
18:50<avu>levani, the next one will be squeeze
18:50<avu>levani, but sid always remains unstable
18:51<levani>So why not just Drop and get rid of Sid?
18:51<levani>that unstable sun ofa gun?
18:52<levani>Anyway, I get it, I need lenny netins CD where do I find it?
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18:52<Gun_Smoke>cmiiw... Testing name can fool you. Unstable while unstable would be fixed a bit faster that testing would.
18:53<Gun_Smoke>when something breaks there
18:53<levani>Or there is no Lenny netinst CD?
18:53<avu>levani, there is
18:53<gnufan_>levani: there is a lenny netinst CD but you can just follow the procedure dpkg mentioned
18:53<avu>levani, first hit when googling for 'lenny netinst' :)
18:54<levani>avu, http://debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd automatically gives me Etch
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18:56<themill>Gun_Smoke: something like "ps2pdf -r150x150 input.pdf output.pdf" might work for you.
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18:59<themill>Gun_Smoke: have a look inside /usr/bin/ps2pdfwr for the options it passes to gs and man gs for more options that might help.
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19:01<Gun_Smoke>themill, nice.. I was just somewhat close to that idea
19:01<Gun_Smoke>tx
19:02<themill>no worries
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19:03<smithwar>hi
19:03<smithwar>any 1 here
19:03<Gun_Smoke>346 to be exact
19:04<smithwar>oh im new to linux
19:04<smithwar>sry
19:04<Gun_Smoke>maybe minus a bot or two
19:04<smithwar>i just installed xubuntu
19:04<smithwar>i find it a bit wierd
19:05<Gun_Smoke>This is Debian not ubuntu.
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19:05<smithwar>its linux right
19:05<amphi>smithwar: this is the wrong channel - try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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19:06<Gun_Smoke>Try ##linux on freenode.net
19:06<smithwar>what is that a web site
19:06<smithwar>any way
19:06<avu>it's an IRC channel. just like this one here. only that you won't be off topic there :)
19:07<smithwar>its all right i wouldn't know a thing here of there
19:07<smithwar>lol
19:08<amphi>smithwar: do '/server irc.freenode.net' and then '/join #ubuntu"
19:08<amphi>in your irc client
19:08<Gun_Smoke>how did your xbuntu install get you here of all places? I believe their irc clients default to some ubuntu servers don't they?
19:08<smithwar>i used xchat
19:08<avu>even if you don't know anything about cars, a porsche dealer will still not help you with your VW problems :)
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19:08<Gun_Smoke>good one avu
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19:09<themill>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/297886 <== another shining example...
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19:09<smithwar>exe files would not be installed in this stupid ubuntu
19:10<smithwar>how sad
19:10<smithwar>i cant use any of my good softwares
19:10<themill>smithwar: this is still the wrong channel.
19:10*Gun_Smoke thoughts were correct
19:10<smithwar>i dont care so whats the topic here
19:11<stew>smithwar: the topic here is debian end-user support
19:11<smithwar>why are you ppl so tight
19:11<themill>because the inability for people to read /topic gets really boring
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19:12<stew>smithwar: i'm not sure what you mean, but it seems you are still off-topic. if you want to chat socially try #moocows. if you want help with ubuntu try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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19:13<gomez>Evening all, i'm working with debian edge and gnome, i have a little problem : when i want to start an program under Desktop > Administration, the gui is not showing. All other programs are fine. What is causing this?
19:14<gomez>i get an entry on the taskbar telling me that the application is starting however it doesnt load and the entry goes away after a few seconds
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19:21<user>a.org 6667
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19:21<adama>gomez: the program is failing to start for whatever reason. If you run it from a command line it should give an error
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19:24<gomez>yeah, all programs are based on gtk2.0
19:24<gomez>problem solved
19:24<gomez>ty
19:24<adama>ok
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19:27<zamolxes>hello. is there some "at"-like program that allows scheduling tasks with usecond accuracy?
19:28<zamolxes>well, actually I just need 0.1seconds accuracy
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19:28<dr|z3d>zamolxes: You might want to look at the realtime kernel. Possibly.
19:29<zamolxes>I don't think that's my issue, just give me something good enough :) at and cron have a 1 minute accuracy
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19:31<zamolxes>my stuff should run fullscreen mplayer at certain moments in time, it's a quick playlist solution for tv stuff :)
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19:34<adama>you could use cron e.g.: m h dom mon dow sleep 0.2; /do/mplayer.sh ?
19:34<gomez>if you have a uniprocessor system it would be possible to use the local APIC's functionality to achieve the accuracy of 1 us
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19:34<adama>if you only need 0.1 second accuracy I think cron and sleep should work
19:35<zamolxes>that sounds like a good enough plan, thanks for the ideea :)
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20:21<enouf>i don't know if you can somehow tap into the hpet timer, or even the kernel HZ interrupt timer .. hrm .. inotify? what am i thinking of ffs?
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20:26<superjet_busy>is it possible to make name also unecho like password when login?
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20:29<debianNooB21>hi guys, are ".h" files source code files?
20:30<superjet_busy>debianNooB21: file foo.h
20:32<stew>debianNooB21: yes, they are ususally c or c++ source code files
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20:33<debianNooB21>stew: thanks stew, and we normal use them to generate device files?
20:33<debianNooB21>sorry normally use them
20:34<stew>debianNooB21: what do you mean by 'device file'?
20:34<debianNooB21>stew: \dev\* ???
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20:34<stew>debianNooB21: what are you trying to do?
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20:35<debianNooB21>or can they be use for anything? I just educating my self.
20:35<carlosmorales>please someone can tellme how and whereI open command for run some config?
20:35<stew>debianNooB21: they are used for compiling programs in c or c++
20:35<stew>carlosmorales: what do you mean?
20:35<stew>carlosmorales: what do you mean by "run some config"?
20:36<carlosmorales>thks Stew the system ask for config dpkg
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20:38<stew>carlosmorales: sorry, i don't uderstand what you are asking, can you try to restate it?
20:38<debianNooB21>stew: one last ?, are the file in /dev/* considered modules or devices?
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20:39<stew>debianNooB21: they are special files which represent devices
20:39<carlosmorales>exactly:dpkg-reconfigerexserver-xorg
20:40<carlosmorales>means reconfigure
20:40<carlosmorales>how I open command to type it
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20:42<carlosmorales>well open terminal is the same that command please?
20:44<adama>carlosmorales: Applications - Accessories - Terminal ?
20:46<carlosmorales>ok yap tha is the correct form to open and run config
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20:50<adama>so... you're good?
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20:51<carlosmorales>Adana you recommend run that in the terminal?
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20:53<adama>I ...don't know :S what are you trying to do?
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20:54<carlosmorales>ok I ask how I can run what the system ask I do: dpkg--config--a, and I dont know how that is only please
20:55<stew>carlosmorales: what exactly did the system ask you to do?
20:55<stew>carlosmorales: can you show us exactly what command you ran, and exactly what it asked you to do? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
20:55<carlosmorales>run config dpkg
20:55<adama>carlosmorales: you probably want to run "dpkg --configure -a"
20:56<adama>you will need to be root
20:56<carlosmorales>that is thais but where and how thks
20:56<carlosmorales>Iam new in ubuntu
20:57<adama>carlosmorales: this channel is for Debian only, not ubuntu
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20:58<carlosmorales>well I only need run it reconfig dpkg i understand
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20:59<adama>carlosmorales: in your terminal, type: sudo dpkg --configure -a
20:59<abrotman>he should really go to #ubuntu-es on freenode
20:59<adama>if that doesn't work we can no longer help you
20:59<stew>carlosmorales: pleaes go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for help with ubuntu, or perhaps #ubuntu-es for help with ubuntu in spanish
20:59<carlosmorales>If you are running the unstable branch of Debian, then you may be using the xserver-xorg package instead of xserver-xfree86 for your X server. In this case, the configuration file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you may use the command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to rerun the Debian configuration dialog for it.
21:00*adama goes home
21:00<carlosmorales>adana what do you think about that text, I think there is the problem, please what do You think
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21:01<stew>carlosmorales: i don't see a problem with that text, other than the fact that it is quite old as xserver-xfree86 has been gone for a long time
21:01<abrotman>lalalal .. not debian
21:01<carlosmorales>well thks sorry iam new user in debian
21:01<stew>carlosmorales: it is also talking about the unstable branch of debian, but you don't seem to be running any branch of debian, you are running ubuntu
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21:03<carlosmorales>well Stew the problem was the computer crash while the computer was installing some programs and after thas say dpkg was wrong
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21:03<stew>carlosmorales: for help with your problem, we suggest asking in #ubuntu-es or #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net, instead of asking here.
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21:05<carlosmorales>ok thks that is another channel
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22:02<bluntman042>I'm running etch, but I want to install zoneminder, which is in unstable. Do I need to dist-upgrade or can I just install this indivual package?
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22:04<levani>bluntman042, I dont know man, just to get firefox3 I had to upgrade to Lenny
22:04<bluntman042>Lenny is unstable?
22:04<bluntman042>or is that Sid
22:04<levani>Lenny is Testing, soon to become stable
22:04<levani>afaik
22:04<bluntman042>!sid
22:04<dpkg>sid is probably the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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22:06<bluntman042>!zoneminder
22:06<bluntman042>anyone here have experience with zoneminder?
22:06<Xdept>not me ..
22:07<levani>!lenny
22:07<dpkg>[lenny] the codename for the next Debian release (5.0, currently also known as "testing"). Lenny will be released real soon now.... To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. See also <wwlr> <testing> and <lenny status>.
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22:07<levani>!etch
22:07<dpkg>etch is probably the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r6>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
22:07<levani>!splash
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22:11<abrotman>!msg the bot
22:11<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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22:17<Xdept>hi
22:17<Xdept>Well im off
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22:56<carlos>ola
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23:00<levani>How do I configure gnome themes?
23:00<levani>Where do I access this?
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23:03<carlos>ola
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23:22<bluntman042>how would I go about installing a .deb from the unstable branch in etch? upgrade to lenny?
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23:40<chealer>bluntman042: which one?
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23:46<wired>Can anybody help with getting tvtime to get sound. I get video but no sound. I have debian etch.
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23:51<ignacio>hello
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