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---Logopened Thu Feb 12 00:00:03 2009
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00:25<kop>Anybody know if Cuba's Nova Linux is debian based?
00:26<snogglethorpe>not based on some classic '50s linux distro?
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00:28<gsimmons>kop: According to The Register, it's a Gentoo variant.
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00:33<ameyer>eww
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00:51<snogglethorpe>lol
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01:25*GoinEasy9 is listening to Frank Zappa - A Cold Dark Matter from planetZappa Radio [Amarok]
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02:39<bjsm>HI
02:39<bjsm>ALL
02:40<bjsm>我要下软件包去哪里搜索阿,各位。
02:40<bjsm>LINUX的软件包
02:41<bjsm>有活人没有啊?
02:41<bjsm>难道这里是太平间?
02:41<bjsm>停尸房?
02:42<bjsm>火葬厂
02:42<bjsm>坟地?
02:42<bjsm>地狱?
02:42<bjsm>阿鼻地狱?
02:42<bjsm>刀山?
02:42<blarson>!tell bjsm about zh
02:42<simonrvn>english please
02:42<bjsm>油锅?
02:43<simonrvn>too bad i can't read it
02:44<bjsm>I‘LL FIND *.tar.gz, at internet.
02:44<bjsm>www.?
02:44<bjsm>tell me.
02:45<bjsm>HI IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
02:46<bjsm>HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
02:46<bjsm>HEY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
02:46<blarson>!tell bjsm about ask
02:47<bjsm>blarson, IT'S BE LATER, I'LL GO OUT.BYE
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03:03<deavid>how can i change the file and directory permisions to the correct ones? I mean, 755 is ok for dirs, and 644 is ok for files. But i've a bunch of files and dirs, and i want to just do something like "chmod 7555 org -R" but that doesn't that i want.
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03:03<simonrvn>use find and args
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03:12<Teryl>...?
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03:16<mib_6yises84>hi
03:16<Guest1023>hey guys, when i run the command ipcs, it revealse user www-data with perm 600
03:16<Guest1023>what is that? In the examples for the program I need to run has the perms as 700
03:16<Guest1023>can I change it to 700?
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03:17<lethalduck>Hi. I had a kernel crash this morning. Noticed yesterday that iceweasel would crash every time I tried to brows to seek. After the kernel failure. There is no networking. Network manager does not list any interfaces. lspci -v | less lists the ethernet controler, but there is no kernel driver in use and the wireless Ralink device is not listed at all. What would be the best plan of attack to remedy this loss of networking?
03:18<jm_>Guest1023: no, there's no point in changing this
03:18<jm_>lethalduck: do you get an oops?
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03:19<lethalduck>jm_: oops?
03:19<jm_>lethalduck: yes
03:19<jm_>!oops
03:19<dpkg>i heard oops is "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>", or see ksymoops
03:19<jm_>doh not useful
03:19<jm_>check dmesg
03:20<Guest1023>I get this error when running zoneminder Can't get shared memory id '7a6d0001', 1: No such file or directory]
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03:20<Guest1023>i think this is a shared memory error
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03:22<jm_>that means something else is not creating that shared memory segment
03:22<Guest1023>so my shmmax is set high enuogh:?
03:23<jm_>it's more likely a daemon that is supposed to do it is not running
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03:24<Guest1023>thanks, I see in an error log that a process exited abnormally
03:24<kj4>hello all
03:24<jm_>yeah that would explain it
03:27<lethalduck>jm_: what exactly should I be looking for in dmesg?
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03:28<jm_>lethalduck: dmesg|egrep -i 'oops|bug|eip'
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03:30<mib_6yises84>hi
03:30<kj4>hello mib_6yises84
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03:31<lethalduck>jm_: [3.317561] ehci_hcd 000:00:1d.7: debug port 1
03:31<mib_6yises84>I have a debian minimal installation with xorg and firefox. I installed cups, and created a printer, that is working ( I printed a test site ). But if want to print with firefox, firefox crashes.
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03:33<jm_>lethalduck: that's not it
03:34<jm_>firefox or iceweasel? in Debian's iceweasel there's a bug where you can't select a printer to print on (haven't checked if it has been fixed in 3.0.6)
03:34<jm_>so somehow I doubt it's iceweasel
03:34<lethalduck>jm_ There's another 0 in there, it should be [3.317561] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: debug port 1
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03:35<kj4>is there a suppository I can add to install opera?
03:35<mib_6yises84>It is firefox 3.0. I changed lpr in the config to gtklp, because I found a thread in the internet. But this does not help.
03:35<jm_>lethalduck: no, check for any messages (in dmesg) from your nic driver when it stops working
03:35<jm_>kj4: go to www.opera.com and look there
03:36<jm_>mib_6yises84: you should ask in firefox support channel then, not in debian
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03:37<jm_>lethalduck: tools like mii-diag/ethtool can also diagnose some problems
03:37<kj4>jm_, thanks, i'm new to debian
03:37<mib_6yises84>jim_: Ok.
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03:39<lethalduck>jm_: don't think I have mii-diag or ethtool installed
03:39<jm_>!installit
03:39<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
03:41<lethalduck>without a network connection?
03:42<jm_>you seem to be connected to an IRC server on the internet
03:42<lethalduck>not on that machine
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03:42<jm_>so download it on the machine where you can, how hard can it be?
03:42<jm_>but really, look at existing data first
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03:45<lethalduck>jm_ I'll sift through dmesg again. to see if I can see the devices mentioned. I'm not sure where to get these programmes other than via apt, and if I get via apt on this machine, how do I go about moving them? I'm sorry if this seems like a dumb question
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03:48<jm_>lethalduck: http://packages.debian.org/ - search for it, you get download links, download it, then you can install with dpkg -i
03:48<jm_>lethalduck: what exactly is the problem? does it work at any time?
03:49<lethalduck>jm_ ok cool. No. No networking
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03:51<jm_>lethalduck: so it never actually works? why did you say it crashes then?
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03:53<lethalduck>jm_ quote me "I had a kernel crash this morning. Noticed yesterday that iceweasel would crash every time I tried to brows to seek. After the kernel failure. There is no networking."
03:54<lethalduck>jm_ it==iceweasel
03:54<jm_>lethalduck: right, my mistake - so you had networking before but not now?
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03:54<lethalduck>jm_ yep
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03:55<jm_>lethalduck: ok, well I can only help with ifup, not with network manager since I never used that - are drivers loaded?
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03:55<lethalduck>jm_ just thought the iceweasel crashing on seek may have been relevant to the kernel failure somehow
03:55<jm_>lethalduck: seek as in hard disk error mentioning seek?
03:56<lethalduck>jm_ no seek as in www.seek.co.nz
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03:56<jm_>lethalduck: I doubt it unless you have hardware problems
03:58<ameyer>it "could" happen
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03:59<jm_>lethalduck: ls /sys/class/net
03:59<ameyer>firefox does something that the graphics driver doesn't like and pop goes the kernel
03:59<ameyer>or something like that
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04:03<ameyer>(note that "could" != did)
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04:05<matthias>Hello
04:07<matthias>I've just installed debian using a netinstall-cd and pointed the sources.list file towards the lenny repo (main, contrib, non-free) and the install completed ok. Now I ran apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade the process dies on the bsdutils package
04:08<jm_>dies how?
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04:08<matthias>It seems the problem is add-shell which is in the package passwd
04:08<matthias>debutils is trying to overwrite that fil
04:08<matthias>file
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04:09<jm_>that makes no sense - why would it die in bsdutils then?
04:10<jm_>paste the error on pastebin
04:10<matthias>apt-get exits on dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe)
04:10<jm_>paste it all
04:11<jm_>(not here though)
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04:13<lethalduck>jm_ can't see anything in dmesg that looks related to a network interface. On this machine I can see my wireless driver, but no sign of it on the faulty box. In saying that, I can't see any sign of a ethernet driver on either box.
04:13<jm_>lethalduck: run ls /sys/class/net
04:13<lethalduck>jm_ ls /sys/class/net prints eth0 lo. thats the wired interface and loopback
04:13<jm_>!tell matthias -about paste
04:14<jm_>lethalduck: right, so you're missing wireless? which card is it?
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04:14<jm_>lethalduck: this explains how to identify it -- http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
04:15<lethalduck>jm_ I should probably mention... the machine I'm communicating with you on is the same type of machine that's haveing the problems
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04:15<jm_>lethalduck: also running debian?
04:15<lethalduck>jm_ the wireless module is a RaLink
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04:16<lethalduck>jm_yip
04:16<lethalduck>both running lenny
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04:16<jm_>lethalduck: ahh then simply find the interface in /sys/class/net and then do ls -l /sys/class/net/<device>/device/driver
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04:17<jeff>hey guys, how do I get the current version of my kernel's source?
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04:18<Guest1032>uname -r reveals: 2.6.18-6-686
04:18<Guest1032>i am trying apt-get install source linux-source-2.6.18
04:19<jm_>the syntax is: apt-get install linux-source-foo or apt-get source binary_package_name
04:20<Guest1032>is linux-source-2.6.18 the right version for my kernel?
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04:20<jm_>yes, but you could have upgraded to 2.6.24
04:20<lethalduck>jm_ I didn't realise you were asking me what the driver was, I already knew that... it's rt2860
04:21<Guest1032>jm wont I have to rebuild all my programs if i do that
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04:21<asc>I'm trying to compile the nvidia drivers (from their site). It initially complained about me having gcc 4.3 while the kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1. I uninstalled 4.3 and installed 4.1; it now complains that cc is not in PATH. How can I compile this?
04:21<jm_>Guest1032: do what?
04:21<Guest1032>upgrade my kernel
04:21<jm_>lethalduck: not rt2860sta?
04:22<jm_>Guest1030: no
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04:23<jm_>asc: use m-a to build nvidia kernel module
04:23<lethalduck>just says it's rt2860
04:23<jm_>is this eeepc?
04:24<lethalduck>jm_ yes 901
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04:24<jm_>lethalduck: right, http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta
04:24<jm_>that should get you going
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04:25<asc>If m-a stands for something, google doesn't know what it is.
04:25<jm_>!m-a
04:25<dpkg>module-assistant is probably a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare
04:26<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
04:26<jm_>there are docs on doing it the debian way
04:26<Guest1032>is there a video foe linuc pkg?
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04:27<Guest1032>can i run video for linux without recompling my kernel?
04:28<jm_>what does "run video for linux" mean?
04:28<Guest1032>install the v4l webcam drivers
04:28<jm_>yes
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04:29<Guest1032>I cant seem to finda package in google
04:29<jm_>there's gspca-source for older releases, 2.6.26 includes gspca driver
04:29<pierre_thierry>anyone using Lustre with Debian?
04:30<pierre_thierry>I just compiled the kernel modules and tried the most basic test and it failed with a missing module
04:30<asc>Thanks. It looks like I might have to get the package from experimenal, but it seems like that should work anyway.
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04:30<Guest1032>so jm_, in order to upgrade my kernel I just have to download the latest kernel source?
04:30<pierre_thierry>I don't have the mgs module in my lustre-modules-2.6.26-1-amd64
04:30<gsimmons>jm_: Uh, gspca is in from 2.6.27. You're thinking uvcvideo. :)
04:31<jm_>yeah - it's not much harder to grab the newest driver there is for nvidia from sid, and compile it for your own release and then build modules from that
04:31<jm_>gsimmons: you're absolutely right, it's in 2.6.27
04:31<Guest1032>whats the newst stable good kernel I should use?
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04:32<jm_>Guest1032: try instlling gspca-modules-foo for your kernel first
04:32<Guest1032>couldn't find packages
04:33<jm_>apt-cache search gspca-modules
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04:34<jm_>ahh it would be gspca-modules-2.6-686 for you
04:34<Guest1032>why am i running 686 on a pentium II?
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04:34<Guest1032>whats the diff between that and x6
04:34<jm_>that's the right kernel for it
04:34<Guest1032>x86
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04:36<jm_>matthias: you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php with text browser, or pastebinit package (which you can't install now)
04:36<matthias>jm_: I'll try that pastebin.ca
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04:38<Guest1032>jm_ worked perfectly my dude!
04:38<jm_>just dump it to a file and then select that file in the browser (lynx supports this, not sure about others)
04:38<jm_>Guest1032: yes dude
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04:38<lethalduck>jm_ http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages doesn't have rt2860-modules-2.6.26-1-686
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04:39<matthias>jm_:ok, I think I sent the file error.txt to pastebin.ca
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04:40<jm_>lethalduck: the page says to get it from sid ;)
04:40<jm_>matthias: did it give you a link?
04:40<gsimmons>lethalduck: Sounds like you haven't added the Debian Eee PC repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list. You can install pre-built modules from there.
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04:40<lethalduck>It's in there by default
04:40<jm_>matthias: I can't see any new posts in last 10 minutes
04:41<lethalduck>could install if I had network conectivity
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04:41<lethalduck>Just installed onto this machine last weekend
04:41<matthias>jm_: pastebin.ca/1334683
04:41<jm_>matthias: right, it's debianutils, not *bsd*utils :)
04:42<matthias>did I say bsdutils? sorry, was yesterday on a freebsd machine... ;)
04:43<gsimmons>lethalduck: Are you referencing non-free for that repository?
04:44<jm_>matthias: hmm but I can't see this file being in passwd package in either etch or lenny - which version of debian and passwd is this?
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04:45<lethalduck>gsimmons: yes
04:46<lethalduck>gsimmons I don't have a problem getting on this machine
04:46<matthias>jm_: Debian 5.0, how do I find out the version for passwd
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04:48<simonrvn>matthias: hint: man dpkg
04:48<gsimmons>lethalduck: Oh, you're acquiring packages manually. See http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/e/eeepc-modules-non-free-2.6/
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04:48<jm_>matthias: dpkg -s passwd
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04:51<matthias>jm_: passwd version 1:4.0.3-31sarge5
04:51<themill>eep!
04:51<jm_>matthias: you are upgrading from Sarge - stop now
04:52<jm_>you need to upgrade from sarge->etch, and then etch->lenny
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04:52<matthias>jm_: Is it enough to edit /etc/apt/sources.list for etch and then run the dist-upgrade
04:53<jm_>of course it's already messed up now - I'd just install it with dpkg --force-overwrite and continue and sort out any remaining issues manually
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04:53<jm_>matthias: no, because many packages will be at lower version in etch
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04:55<matthias>jm_: it's not a biggie - I just installed it so there won't be any lost data or anything - So if I install again using the same cd and point it towards etch it should be fine?
04:55<matthias>jm_: or should I complete the installation for sarge and then dist-upgrade to etch
04:56<jm_>matthias: wait, you just installed sarge???
04:56<matthias>jm_: Yeah, it was the only debian-cd I had...
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04:57<jm_>matthias: I recommend to simply download new netinst (or even business card) and install using that
04:57<jm_>so reinstall
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04:57<matthias>jm_: kthxbye
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04:59<asc>Looks like nvidia-glx from experimental depends on nvidia-kernel-180.22, which doesn't exist ;p
05:00<jm_>asc: you'll build nvidia-kernel package
05:00<jm_>so you install that first and *then* nvidia-glx
05:01<jm_>your nvidia-kernel package will have: Provides: nvidia-kernel-180.22
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05:01<asc>Hmm. Hey, that's really cool.
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05:02<mint>hi there
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05:04<kj4>hello mint
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05:05<Dargor>hey, how do i get my package included in debian.
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05:08<lethalduck>jm_: ok, thats re-installed, whats the next step
05:08<jm_>lethalduck: just follow the wiki, it has all the steps
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05:11<lethalduck>jm_: I'm not building the source, so I guess I modprobe it
05:11<jm_>lethalduck: yes
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05:19<lethalduck>jm_: iwconfig still doesn't show the interface
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05:23<lethalduck>jm_: maybe the kernel is corrupted?
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05:25<inc0>hello
05:25<inc0>I have problem with printer- hp laserjet 1005
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05:26<kasperloopstra>Is there a proper manual on how to run a single gtk application without a window manager, but fullscreen?
05:26<inc0>I'm using lenny amd64, and it shows error that printer is unplugged
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05:27<kasperloopstra>I want a computer that after login starts up to Ario fullscreen, but preferably without any window manager
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05:27<inc0>hp-check shows no errors, hp-setup goes well till end
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05:32<u>hi all
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05:35<Guest1038>i am trying to install the official binary nvidia driver on debian etch , an so i have installed build-essential and pkg-config , i do sudo sh ./NVIDIA_*.sh , it compiles ok, says done. then when it comes to depmod -ae it spits this error :/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/kernel/drivers/w1/masters/ds2490.ko: Input/output
05:35<Guest1038>error
05:35<Guest1038>then seg fault
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05:35<Guest1038>what can i do?
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05:36<Guest1038>i tryed with various versions of the driver ..
05:36<Guest1038>same error
05:36<jm_>lethalduck: did you check what the driver reported in dmesg?
05:36<Guest1038>also, if i copy that path and do `ls /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/kernel/drivers/w1/masters/ds2490.ko" says the same thing input/output error
05:37<Guest1038>nothing really
05:37<Guest1038>just that input/output error
05:37<jm_>Guest1038: check you rdmesg output
05:37<Guest1038>i don't have that command
05:37<jm_>dmesg
05:38<Guest1038>well that is all it has to say..
05:38<Guest1038>but why do i get the same error if I try to ls that path
05:38<Guest1038>?
05:40<Guest1038>well i tryed again to ls it, and it says ls /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/kernel/drivers/w1/masters/ds2490.ko
05:40<Guest1038>ls: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/kernel/drivers/w1/masters/ds2490.ko: Stale NFS file handle
05:40<jm_>because there's something fishy going on with fs or hardware, dmesg output shall reveal more
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05:40<Guest1038>strange, i did it a couple of times before and no error what so ever
05:41<Guest1038>the only thing that changed from then is that i installed debian with lvm
05:41<Guest1038>i mean, / and /home except /boot are on LVM
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05:42<Guest1038>i'll try it again and paste all the dmesg
05:42<Guest1038>thanks bye
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05:44<lethalduck>what was the dmesg grep command again jm_
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05:47<jm_>lethalduck: don't grep for anything, just find where ra2xxx driver was loaded and read from there on
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05:51<Guest1032>whats the best way to upgrade the kernel
05:51<Guest1032>to the latest version?
05:51<jm_>use apt
05:52<lethalduck>jm_: no sine of it
05:52<Guest1032>how jm please
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05:52<jm_>lethalduck: what did modprobe say?
05:52<jm_>Guest1032: uhm just like any other package - apt* install packagename
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05:53<lethalduck>It's not mentioned in dmesg. modprobe said nothing
05:53<Guest1032>also, is it possible to have a php script download a jpeg from a soucre, use the jpeg cleaning tools to clean the header, then output that jpeg ?
05:53<lethalduck>So I assumed all was good
05:53<lethalduck>but obviously not
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05:53<jm_>such drivers typically do output stuff, at least version name and author, I find it unlikely it mentions nothing
05:54<lethalduck>jm_ I have it displayed on this machine
05:54<jm_>lethalduck: in dmesg?
05:54<lethalduck>yeah
05:54<Guest1032>also, is it possible to have a php script download a jpeg from a soucre, modifiy that file, then output that jpeg ?
05:54<inc0>hmm...about printer(hp) exact error is "\error: Printer Error. Printer is busy, offline, or in an error state. Please check the device and try again."
05:54<lethalduck>--> Error 2 opening /etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat
05:56<lethalduck>jm_: I've searched for /etc rt28
05:56<lethalduck>wireless
05:56<jm_>lethalduck: is this eeepc 901?
05:56<lethalduck>yeah
05:56<inc0>everything else seems to be ok...hp-check shows no errors etc
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05:56<jm_>lethalduck: hmm wiki says something else for that: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/901
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05:57<Ascavasaion>If I want to use my cell phone as amodem on my notebook using Infrared what do I use? I see ther eis something called gammu... but is that easy?
05:58<lethalduck>jm_: doesn't say allot at all
05:58<jm_>lethalduck: it says to use rt2860, not rt2860sta like the other page, maybe that's it
05:58<lethalduck>jm_: aptitude install or m-a prepare
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06:00<lethalduck>jm_: I installed rt2860-modules-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26+1.8.0.0-3_i386.deb listed here ... http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/e/eeepc-modules-non-free-2.6/ Almost cirtain it's the right one
06:01<jm_>lethalduck: yes, seems to be
06:01<lethalduck>jm_: it's the same module installed on this machine
06:01<lethalduck>jm_ :s
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06:07<gsimmons>lethalduck: RT2860STA.dat is a (AFAICT, optional) configuration file containing default settings for the rt2860sta vendor driver.
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06:09<lethalduck>gsimmons: where's that one?
06:09<gsimmons>lethalduck: You can acquire it from rt2860-source in sid.
06:10<lethalduck>gsimmons: it's not settings that I need though is it?
06:10<gsimmons>lethalduck: No.
06:10<lethalduck>gsimmons: whats the relevance then?
06:11<gsimmons>lethalduck: You're the one who posted the error. :)
06:12<lethalduck>gsimmons: Um, So why do I need RT2860STA.dat?
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06:14<Ascavasaion>What is the Linux version of MS Publisher, and can it import and export or save as between MS Publisher and its own formats?
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06:15<gsimmons>lethalduck: It's just a method of defining defaults given to the rt2860sta driver upon loading.
06:16<Guest1032>to get to the latest kernel in lenny do I need to do apt-get dist-upgrade?
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06:17<`Ile`>Guest1032 apt-cache search linux-image
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06:17<lethalduck>I'm assuming this problem is because of the kernel crash, what could the crash have done to disable networking. It was all working fine before the crash
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06:18<themill>Ascavasaion: scribus is probably the program you're looking for, but no idea what it can do with MS publisher files
06:19<gsimmons>lethalduck: Does your RT2860 device still not appear in lspci output?
06:19<Ascavasaion>themill: I tried Scribus, but it does not import files form MS publisher.
06:19<lethalduck>gsimmons: correct
06:20<kj4>hello every buddy
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06:24<jm_>lethalduck: maybe it's disabled somewhere?
06:24<lethalduck>gsimmons, should I try re-installing the ethernet driver?
06:25<gsimmons>lethalduck: How would that help?
06:25<lethalduck>Maybe that would would work?
06:25<lethalduck>jm_ I'll check the BIOS
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06:26<lethalduck>It's dissabled in BIOS :s
06:27<jm_>bummer
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06:30<lethalduck>jm_ gsimmons All sorted now. So a kernel failure can turn things off in BIOS. Learn something new every day
06:31<lethalduck>jm_ gsimmons thanks for haning in there and for all your help. Very much appreciated
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06:31<lethalduck>*hanging
06:31<jm_>lethalduck: heh, no worries
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06:50<Ascavasaion>HOw do I use a cellphone as a modem? Gammu?
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06:51<jm_>how is your phone connected to the computer?
06:51<Ascavasaion>jm_: Well, want to use infrared.
06:52<jm_>Ascavasaion: try linux infrared howto
06:52<Ascavasaion>jm_: Thank you.
06:52<jm_>np
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07:01<kj4>debian lenny/XFCE. I create a new folder on the desktop, either in thunar or a shell, and it does not appear on the desktop with other existing folders. anyone know why?
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07:02<jm_>are you sure you're looking in the right place? and it's directory
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07:03<kj4>yes, i am. shows up in thunar, and shell as ~/Desktop/<directory>
07:03<kj4>i even moved icons around to make sure it isn't under one
07:03<jm_>ahh on the desktop = perhaps you need to add it there manually, no idea really
07:04<kj4>ok. i didn't have to do that in XFCE in 2 other distros
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07:05<jm_>ask again later if someone using XFCE knows
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07:06<kj4>ok thanks
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07:22<sarahlnx>Hi?
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07:26<kj4>hello
07:26<sarahlnx>Quick question .... are there any advantages/disadvantages to using Iceweasel (w/ Debian), as opposed to GNU IceCat?
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07:27<kj4>i don't know the answer to that, sorry. i'm only very new to iceweasel. for what it's worth, iceweasel seems to look/work just like firefox- just my observation
07:28<kj4>i have switched to opera recently, and after a few days, i'm liking it very much
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07:30<jm_>sarahlnx: well the advantage would be you get security updates and general upgrades from Debian
07:30<jm_>it's an official package
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07:33<mib_6yises84>hi#
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07:35<mib_6yises84>I have Xorg, and Firefox on debian minimal. But when I want to print something firefox crashes. Before I isntalled cups, created a printer, and print a test page with cups. But not with firefox.
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07:36<jm_>did you ask firefox support channel?
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07:37<mib_6yises84>yes. I did. But they only said, that firefox uses gnomes printer. But I didn't install gnome.
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07:37<jm_>does it core dump or what?
07:38<mib_6yises84>core dump?
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07:38<jm_>crash usually means that yes
07:38<mib_6yises84>I installed Xorg and cups
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07:40<mib_6yises84>do I need any library for printing with firefox for example
07:40<jm_>why don't you install iceweasel?
07:41<mib_6yises84>I think there is not much differnce.
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07:42<mib_6yises84>between them. And I like to use the original firefox
07:42<azeem>mib_6yises84: except the package is made for Debian
07:42<azeem>mib_6yises84: so if you install something manually, you're on your own
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07:42<jm_>the difference is it's compiled against libraries shipped in Debian, unlike firefox
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07:42<jm_>which could well be a reason for the crash (not saying it is, but it sure is an option)
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07:43<mib_6yises84>Maybe I will try later. Thanks for your advice.
07:43<koeppea>jm_, thought the firefox package with aptitude is a "Transition package for iceweasel rename" as it is display when using the search comman of aptitude
07:43<jm_>koeppea: yeah but he has firefox from mozilla.org installed
07:44<koeppea>ok
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07:44<koeppea>obviously I missed this piece of information
07:44<jm_>iceweasel suggests xprint, try installing that, otherwise start it in a terminal and check what it says when it crashes
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07:56<x_v2-10_x>hello
07:56<x_v2-10_x>i am french
07:56<x_v2-10_x>do you speak french ?
07:57<themill>!fr
07:57<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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08:00<kurumin>hi
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08:03<Narmer>hi all i'm new to Debian and IRC sorry for that any way can i post problems here??
08:04<slush>!ask
08:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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08:05<Narmer>well i tried to upgrade to unstable then gdm couldn't start becasue libgnomeui-2.so.0 was missing ??!
08:05<Narmer>i couldn't find this package
08:06<jm_>does it depend on that?
08:06<Narmer>it refused to start the GUI
08:07<jm_>do you have libgnomeui-0 installed?
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08:07<Narmer>i used apt-get to upgrade the distro it downloaded all packages aand it just got bad :S
08:08<`Ile`>use aptitude
08:08<`Ile`>it will check the package which dependensies or libs need
08:08<dr|z3d>Narmer: Have you tried dpkg --configure -a ?
08:08<Narmer>yes nothing happened it said "use aptitude or dselect"....
08:08<dr|z3d>Narmer: Or indeed apt-get install -f
08:09<`Ile`>aptitude install gnome
08:09<`Ile`>try that
08:09<Narmer>can i roll everything back returnning to old etch?!
08:10<jm_>not easily no
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08:11<Narmer>:s can i reinstall linux on the same drive without loosing my data??? is it silly question :D ??
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08:11<jm_>i would rather check if the afore mentioned package is installed
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08:17<Narmer>thanks alot for ur help.
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08:27<x_v2-10_x>HELLO
08:27<x_v2-10_x>DO YOU SPEAK FRENCH ? I AM FRENCH ?
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08:28<x_v2-10_x>HELLO
08:28<koeppea>!fr
08:28<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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08:29<natofe>no,i am speak spanish
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08:30<x_v2-10_x>OK
08:30<x_v2-10_x>SILENCIO 01
08:30<natofe>;)
08:30<x_v2-10_x>;)
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08:31<x_v2-10_x>NATOFÉ, do you speak english ?
08:32<darsie>hi! Debian has 'torify' in package tor, but torproject.org talks about usewithtor and torsocks. Is torify a good replacement for the others?
08:32<koeppea>x_v2-10_x, if youre using this channel you can assume that everyone may speak english more / less
08:32<x_v2-10_x>no comprendo, koeppe
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08:33<koollman>darsie: yes
08:33<darsie>thx
08:33<natofe>entiendo muy poco ingles
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08:35<x_v2-10_x>do you like gnométris ?
08:35<darsie>I like utf8
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08:42<natofe>some day learn English .... goodbye!
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09:08<Ascavasaion>What si the Gnome application for controlling Infrared?
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09:12<mani3z>haiiii
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09:14<InkBottle>Hi, how could I know what are the fonts that are used by Iceweassel?
09:15<Werid>FB /win 12
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09:16<jm_>InkBottle: you can select it in the preferences
09:17<InkBottle>jm_: let me see...
09:18<InkBottle>Ok, then would you know why firefox is displaying "everythig" all right, though konqueror is not?
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09:18<jm_>I am affraid not, I never used konqueror
09:19<InkBottle>:)
09:19<jm_>maybe it has some similar setting to iceweasel -- Allow pages to choose their own fonts ...
09:19<jm_>you can also ask in #debian-kde
09:19<InkBottle>thank you for the link :)
09:20<InkBottle>on debian or on freenode?
09:20<jm_>here
09:21<InkBottle>do you also use something else than fiorefox?
09:21<jm_>I very rarely use opera and iceape
09:22<jm_>and sometimes links/lynx
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09:22<dr|z3d>InkBottle: There's also Midori if you want something capable and lightweight.
09:22<InkBottle>where did you find opera?
09:22<jm_>well www.opera.com
09:23<InkBottle>midori, let me see
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09:26<InkBottle>dr|z3d: seems interesting
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09:30<billybigrigger>after a fresh install of lenny i have no x on first boot...this is a brand new system i built last night...its got onboard geforce 7050 gfx...running sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg does nothing
09:30<billybigrigger>any suggestions?
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09:32<InkBottle>billybigrigger: For me I had to edit the conf file (don't remember very well) manualy, asking people here :)
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09:35<koeppea>billybigrigger, any error output
09:35<koeppea>?
09:35<billybigrigger>nope
09:35<billybigrigger>just when i first boot...my monitor goes out of range
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09:36<billybigrigger>a few days ago i install etch, and this happened, but it was a totally different computer and i just install xserver-xorg-video-intel for the onboard i845 gfx...now i have a new system with onboard nvidia and the same problem
09:36<dr|z3d>billybigrigger: If you're talking about out of range during bootup, try startupmanager
09:36<koeppea>billybigrigger, normally there should be a logfile under /var/log called Xorg.0.log or similar.
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09:37<Ikarus>Hrm, where should I mail to suggest the inclusion of memtest86 on the Debian installation boot media (HDD media in this case specific) or has it all ready been discussed and voted no
09:37<billybigrigger>k ill take a look at my xorg log
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09:38<stew>Ikarus: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot
09:38<koeppea>I can also recommend to install the propretary nvidia driver
09:38<koollman>that reminds me ... I need to patch memtest86. I have the feeling it will be ugly :)
09:39<Ikarus>koollman: patch it for what ?
09:39<koeppea>billybigrigger, check this out: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
09:39<Ikarus>I still want a memtest86 that PXE boots and reports back the results to a server :)
09:39<koollman>Ikarus: yep. that's what I need too
09:39<Ikarus>koollman: nice, if you need any help
09:39<Ikarus>koollman: I did some initial research on it already
09:40<koollman>I don't think I can do that 'so easily'. maybe with some local storage it would be easier.
09:40<koollman>but, I'm interested if you already searched, yes :)
09:40<Ikarus>koollman: you can ask the PXE drivers to stay loaded
09:41<Ikarus>in which case communications is pretty straight forward, though might be raw ethernet instead of clean TCP/IP
09:41<koollman>so that I keep the network conf... right. would make sense
09:41<billybigrigger>ok
09:41<koollman>tftp is easy enough
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09:41<billybigrigger>i see its loading the module GLcore and below that it spits out GLX: Initialized MESA-PROXY GL provider for screen 0
09:42<billybigrigger>so its not loading the nvidia module i need i guess eh?
09:42<InkBottle>why this "aptitude -t sid -s install midori" doesn't work while this "aptitude -t sid -s install sid/midori" does?
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09:43<koeppea>billybigrigger, if you have a statement like "Driver "nvidia" in your xorg.conf then you'll need the propretary nvidia driver
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09:43<billybigrigger>all my xorg.conf is automatically configure
09:43<billybigrigger>d
09:43<koeppea>mhh can you nopaste it?
09:44<billybigrigger>nope im on another machine
09:44<billybigrigger>but i can type it out for ya
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09:44<billybigrigger>the only thing that isnt autoconfigured is my keyboard
09:45<billybigrigger>in all the sections Identifier = "Configured Mouse" "Configured Video Device" "Configured Monitor" "Configured Monitor"
09:45<billybigrigger>but running dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
09:45<koeppea>mhh
09:45<billybigrigger>does nothing...
09:46<billybigrigger>when i run dpkg it spits out...
09:46<billybigrigger>xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customized conifugration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090212074558
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09:47<billybigrigger>so its just backing up and re-entering those pre configure xorg lines
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09:47<billybigrigger>so i guess i have to manually edit xorg eh?
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09:47<billybigrigger>which driver should i be using for my onboard nvidia 7050
09:47<billybigrigger>just "nvidia"
09:47<billybigrigger>???
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09:47<InkBottle>nv
09:47<stew>billybigrigger: in general, the driver shouold be autodetected and you shouldn't need to specify in xorg.conf
09:48<koeppea>billybigrigger, right just nvidia
09:48<billybigrigger>nv or nvidia?
09:48<InkBottle>billybigrigger: nv is the free driver for nvidia
09:48<koeppea>nv is the xorg legacy nvidia driver
09:48<stew>billybigrigger: if the non-specific xorg.conf doesn't work for you, you can get a specific one generated by running 'X -configure"
09:48<miiep>nv is the standard modul of xorg, nvidia the module from nvidia
09:48<stew>billybigrigger: nv is the free driver in debian. nvidia is the non-free driver you'd have to install separately
09:49<stew>both are from nvidia, its just that one is free and can be included in xorg
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09:49<billybigrigger>stew, ok i did that, spit out a new conf in /root/xorg.conf.new
09:49<TedyBear>Hello
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09:50<InkBottle>billybigrigger: for nvidia I've m-a it; there is two version: nvidia and nvidia-legacy (for older cards)
09:50<billybigrigger>and i looked it over and its trying to use "vesa"
09:50<stew>billybigrigger: what exactly is the problem you are trying to fix? does x not start? does it give you an error?
09:50<InkBottle>vesa is standard monitor (or something like that)
09:50<billybigrigger>on first boot i got nothing, no x
09:51<billybigrigger>at all
09:51<billybigrigger>monitor just went out of range
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09:51<TedyBear>I need some help configuring the fonts for kde-based programs in gnome (ktorrent, klibido etc)
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09:51<billybigrigger>so im thinking its trying to use some wierd resolution
09:51<billybigrigger>or the wrong driver
09:51<koeppea>I guess too that X is running just with incompatible settings
09:51<InkBottle>billybigrigger: is it a crt or a flat screen?
09:51<stew>billybigrigger: can you show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
09:51<billybigrigger>flat screen
09:52<billybigrigger>no i cant paste to pastebin
09:52<billybigrigger>im on my laptop right now
09:52<InkBottle>billybigrigger: for me I had to setup the xorg.conf manually: no automatic way did work.
09:52<shevek>Should it be possible to run debian on a 386? I know the kernel is compiled without 386 support, but if I use a custom kernel, should the rest work? Or is that also compiled for 486 and higher?
09:54<stew>shevek: no current version of debian, libc6 now only works with 486 or better
09:54<shevek>stew: Ah, too bad
09:54<Ikarus>shevek: *shudder* at the thought of evne running on a 486
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09:55<InkBottle>billybigrigger: when you'll have the right computer, you should see this kind of pages (http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/76471-nvidia-xorg-conf.html)
09:55<shevek>Ikarus: I need to debug a problem with hgafb (that's hercules graphics adapter framebuffer), and the first computer I have around at the moment with ISA slots happened to be a 386. ;-)
09:56<Ikarus>hold on, hgafb is still considered supported by some *gasp* ;)
09:56<InkBottle>billybigrigger: especially the sections Section "Screen" and "device"
09:56<shevek>Ikarus: Is it? It's impossible to use it with X
09:56<billybigrigger>xorg.conf ---> http://pastebin.ca/1334853
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09:56<billybigrigger>InkBottle, thansk
09:57<InkBottle>billybigrigger: because it "could" not work at all the automatic way.
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09:58<artista_frustrado>I need help with a Adaptec AHA-7850 card
09:58<artista_frustrado>it was working fine for years until a few weeks ago
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09:59<miiep>i have a problem. on tuesday i got internet - and so i updated my debian computer (former update was ~2.1.) but after update my raid broke (raid 5 - with 5 disks). so I tried to repair. won't work. luckily at the moment no important files on it. so I installed it new ... and the raid tried to syncronize but about 50% (ca 0.9 TB) the system froze and it wasn't possible to switch to console (ctrl f1) - resettet and than the computer di
09:59<miiep>dn't found initramfs (or all raid 5 devices). So i tried with raid 6 - same result now i've checkt the disks witch 'cat /dev/sdX > /dev/null' (this should display when there is a read error right?), after that i wrote in same way on every disk 'cat /dev/sdx > /dev/sdy' (this should display write errors, right?) there are no errors occured
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09:59<miiep>is there an other way to check the disks, or is there a bug in mdadm?
10:01<InkBottle>billybigrigger: http://paste.debian.net/28205/
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10:01<TedyBear>How do I set the fonts for programs to use? xterm looks fine and so does most other programs - except for ktorrent, klibido and epiphany which have extremely small fonts
10:01<InkBottle>billybigrigger: this is mine (the relevant part)
10:01<artista_frustrado>now it just hangs my scanner and dumps http://paste.debian.net/28206/ at the syslog
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10:07<InkBottle>may I reask: do you know why this works "aptitude -t sid -s install sid/midori" while this "aptitude -t sid -s install midori" doesn't?
10:07<Ascavasaion>what port (/dev/something) does an infrared port use?
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10:09<shevek>Ascavasaion: Usually a serial port, /dev/ttyS0 or so (or /dev/tts/0, but I think that notation is no longer used)
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10:09<billybigrigger>InkBottle, what do you have in your modules section???
10:09<billybigrigger>at the very top
10:10<stew>billybigrigger: you shouldn't need a modules section
10:11<billybigrigger>ok
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10:11<billybigrigger>how bout "Files"
10:11<themill>InkBottle: what do you mean by "work" and "doesn't work"? Show the output you receive in a pastebin along with "apt-cache policy midori"
10:11<billybigrigger>for my font paths
10:11<stew>billybigrigger: the only sections you should really have to provide are Device and Monitor, and maybe Screen
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10:14<jesus2000>ablar con alguno de mi clase
10:14<jesus2000>hablar
10:14<themill>!es
10:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:15<billybigrigger>do i HAVE to set my BusID
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10:15<billybigrigger>??
10:15<billybigrigger>or where can i find that?
10:15<jschneider> /msg dpkg lenny status
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10:15<billybigrigger>lspci shows my vga card
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10:15<billybigrigger>00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7025 (rev a2)
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10:16<billybigrigger>is the busid 00:12.0???
10:16<billybigrigger>or should i just delete the BusID line?
10:17<billybigrigger>ok nevermind
10:17<Ascavasaion>Whoever invented Infrared... hope you dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
10:17<billybigrigger>i have a working X now, deleted BusID and using "vesa" driver, nvidia and nv didnt work
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10:19<enouf>billybigrigger: 'out of range' is your Monitor Vert/Hor refresh rates
10:19<enouf>billybigrigger: man xorg.conf and see wiki.x.org and the debian wiki you were told to much earlier
10:20<enouf>man nv even
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10:20<InkBottle>themill: in one second
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10:21<themill>InkBottle: make sure you include the command you use in the pastebin too
10:21<stew>InkBottle: i believe you should be using -t unstable instead of -t sid
10:23<themill>all four combinations work here because midori is only in sid. In fact, you don't need to specify an archive at all
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10:24<InkBottle>stew: it is the solution :) (by the way I didn't rememeber how to set english mode (for the output of the command), somthing like ALL_C?)
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10:24<stew>InkBottle: LANG=c
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10:24<stew>InkBottle: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy midori"?
10:25<themill>stew: we had a case earlier to day where LANG=C aptitude install foobar still gave the output in french. Any idea why?
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10:26<stew>LANG needing to be exported? i don't know
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10:27<enouf>themill: if that happens again - ask the poster to also paste output of env/printenv and locale or something
10:27<themill>enouf: good thought... probably some other LC_* setting that was overriding LANG.
10:27<enouf>themill: AFAIK, ANSI doesn't parle vu france
10:27<enouf>ahh LC_ALL= perhaps
10:28<themill>enouf: perhaps in France it does.
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10:28<InkBottle>stew: Yes I can, but it worked with "aptitude -t unstable -s install midori"
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10:28<enouf>themill: which, AFAIK, is usually not set
10:28<themill>yes
10:28<stew>InkBottle: it seems like it should have worked with "aptitude install midori" so we are wondering what other version that might be seeing
10:29<stew>judd: versions midori
10:29<judd>stew: midori -- sid: 0.1.2-1
10:29<enouf>themill: also, from atleast earlier debian versions, i still have a LANGUAGE= variable as well as LANG=
10:30<InkBottle>stew: I see, not it souldn't have worked since I'm in testing and midori is in experimental; I past it to you
10:30<stew>InkBottle: InkBottle midori is not in experimental
10:30<stew>did i stutter?
10:30<themill>yyyess
10:31<enouf>themill: it's also possible the person whom ran the command did something like; LANG=C ; aptitude install foobar
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10:31<themill>enouf: he did paste the command as well though, but you're right, that happens often enough
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10:31<enouf>themill: aye .. ok
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10:32<InkBottle>stew: http://paste.debian.net/28209/
10:32<themill>The "upgrade is deprecated, use safe-upgrade instead message" was untranslated ftw
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10:32<themill>ahh... pinned at -10. That will do it.
10:32<stew>InkBottle: ahh, ok, pinned
10:32<enouf>themill: my pastebinpipe.pl script ensures you see the exact command i ran ;-) (too bad pastebin.ca is slow as shit these days)
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10:34<Ascavasaion>How do I check if my notebook has bluetooth? I did a lspci and lsusb but nothing looks positive there
10:35<enouf>themill: ~$ echo "This is the exact command i ran" | pi
10:35<enouf>Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1334878
10:35<enouf>;-)
10:35<themill>so pi actually runs the command for you?
10:35<enouf>themill: alias pi=script
10:36<enouf>Ascavasaion: install bluez-utils ?
10:36<enouf>hcitool?
10:36<themill>enouf: yes, but the script runs the command. I presume you have some lovely fun quoting arguments in all that!
10:36<enouf>Ascavasaion: /msg dpkg what's my hardware
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10:36<enouf>themill: indeed ;-)
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10:43<genet>hello
10:44<enouf>hi
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10:53<mib_98pesmhn>hi
10:54<sarahlnx>hey mib_98pesmhn
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10:56<InkBottle>midori seems very interesting: printing for a not easy to print page is better than the one of firefox.
10:57<InkBottle>and as every one knows it's faster
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10:57<InkBottle>thank you all :)
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11:00<mib_98pesmhn>I want to ask again, what the solution can be that I can print on debian with firefox.
11:00<mib_98pesmhn>I installed xprint and configured xprint in firefox ( about:config print_command and another one ). But this does not help.
11:00<dr|z3d>mib_98pesmhn: You could try printing to pdf.
11:01<mib_98pesmhn>Firefox still crashes
11:01<mib_98pesmhn>dr|z3d: I can't see the print dialog
11:01<mib_98pesmhn>I click on print and immediately firefox crashes.
11:02<dr|z3d>Sounds like you'd be better off asking on the official firefox channel.
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11:03<dr|z3d>mib_98pesmhn: You could try safemode, and if that fails, a new profile.
11:03<dr|z3d>mib_98pesmhn: firefox -safe-mode and firefox -P respectively. (with no prior instances running).
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11:06<mib_98pesmhn>safe mode: disable all?
11:06<mib_98pesmhn>sorry, I just have to start
11:06<morphium>i once heard about a system that gives you the possibility to load a new kernel without rebooting. is something out there?
11:06<mib_98pesmhn>safe mode is the same problem
11:07<mib_98pesmhn>and with a new profile the same error
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11:09<_sassi>any good way to record your desktop tryed "recordMydesktop" but it llags to much :S
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11:09<mib_98pesmhn>and I don't know, what I can try, or where I can look for the error.#
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11:12<mib_98pesmhn>after Xorg crashing, I only see: symbol lookup error in the gtk-2.0/printbackends-libprintbackend-cups.so. But with this error message I don't know what I can do against taht.
11:13<enouf>!screenshot
11:13<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot (scrot package), xwd.
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11:13<enouf>xvidcap?
11:13<enouf>!xvidcap
11:13<dpkg>well, xvidcap is a screencast application or desktop recorder, which can record videos. it is not yet in Debian, but ITP-ed in #289168. Unofficial packages are available from debian-multimedia
11:13<peej>I have a bunch of files on a multiuser system belonging to an expired user. Is it wise to just chown that user's stuff to nobody? Aim is to leave the stuff hanging around without the old user being able to login and run.
11:13<enouf>_sassi: see that?
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11:14<_sassi>yeh thx ill try it
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11:15<enouf>peej: not really, just alter their shell part of /etc/passwd, maybe usermod or .. vipw ..or
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11:16<enouf>peej: hrm - maybe even -L
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11:16<_sassi>Yeh dident work as i wanted want to record while iam running around in 3d.
11:16<_sassi>that only records the marked place.
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11:17<peej>enouf, well, I want to label the user as expired. So I do actually move the /home/userx to /home/userx.old for convenience. So he can't log in anyway. The problem is that other users get that userid number at some point. So trying to avoid that scenario.
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11:20*peej figures there must be a best practice for this.
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11:21<stew>peej: you can "--lock" an account with usermod instead of actually deleting it
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11:23<peej>stew, I also want to make it obvious that it is an old account by tacking on the .old suffix. I'm wondering if the approach is wrong and I should be using usermod -L as the starting point instead.
11:23<koenkamp>algum brazzuca ai?
11:23<stew>!pt
11:23<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:24<stew>peej: well, locking the account instead of deleting it will fix the problem of "users get that userid number". if you also want to move the home directory go for it
11:24<enouf>_sassi: dunno - all i can do is suggest these two URLs http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/FOSS_Codecs_For_Online_Video:_Usability_Uptake_and_Development_1.2 http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
11:25*peej thinks....
11:25<koenkamp>brazillians???????
11:25<stew>koenkamp: try #debian-br
11:25<enouf>peej: is their /home a seperate partition being mounted from /etc/fstab ?
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11:26<koenkamp>thanks
11:26<peej>enouf, actually over nfs export
11:26<enouf>hrm .. i wonder if there's something you can add to /etc/default/nfs-* .. hrm ..
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11:28<peej>stew, can't see anything wrong with your simple and effective suggestion.
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11:29<primax>hi , what's name of polish chanel ? i can't find it
11:30<themill>#debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
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11:31<primax>thank you very much ;] Themill
11:31<themill>no worries
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11:50<Ikarus>hmmm, current netinstall doesn't support wpa ? or just not included on multi-arch net install ?
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11:56<primax>netisnt only support wep ;/ i have this problem too
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11:58<Ikarus>primax: stupidly, the EeePC specific installer images do support WPA
12:00<primax>sorry , i install 3 day's ago and i have only wep
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12:01<_sassi>wth i can move my windows's :S
12:01<_sassi>they are stuck at one spot can only maxi.. and minimize.
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12:02*Ikarus puts it on a todo list
12:02<Ikarus>I guess I'll end up with a quite custom USB stick installer by the time Lenny is released
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12:03<blockowitsch>Ikarus: I had the same problem once...i had no access to the wlan settings so i decided to use my second laptop as proxy and connected a short 1m cable between both...probably you have the same possibility
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12:08<Ikarus>blockowitsch: I just dug up a 20 meter cable
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12:24<fxiny>lenny "kde uswsusp" found swap not active and did nothing , i reconfigured it and it generated a new initrd . is it a bug or is it because i have two swap files each hd ?
12:25<fxiny>in fact i choose one swap
12:25<fxiny>manually
12:26<blarson>fxiny: I think it may need a swap partition rather than file.
12:26<fxiny>blarson : i belive the sedcond swap was obviously not active and it confused it
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12:27<fxiny>i noticed it yesterday and i'm trying to trak it down . i replaced my backups . is a dluxbox only system
12:27<fxiny>fluxbox*
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12:29<fxiny>blarson: it asks for yes/no right ? choosing yes ends up doing nothing . reconfiguring it asks more and it shows two swaps partitions , one is obviously active and one is not
12:31<fxiny>in the end it runs update-initramfs , so i believe is because it detects a non active swap , tomorrow i'll delete the second swap to see
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12:33<fxiny>or i'll add a second swap to fstab
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12:37<enouf>fxiny: perhaps you also need a resume= option to your kernel line as well? cat /proc/swaps shows active ones
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12:37<enouf>fxiny: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/power/swsusp.txt :-)
12:38<fxiny>enouf: i was just looking at kde , i do not plan to suspend my box
12:39<enouf>fxiny: oh .. hehe - kswapsomething? :-P
12:39<marcot>Good afternoon.
12:39<enouf>fxiny: ahh kpowersave .. i think might have some bugs?
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12:41<marcot>I want to change a package in the Debian CD and build a new media, I've copied the directories to the HD and made the changes. Now how can I build a iso with them, that I can burn in a CD or load in qemu?
12:41<fxiny>enouf: i have two hd a-b/6 swap files . and the configure got confused ,but it wrote hda6 in /etc*.conf so when reconfiguring it started with that one and asked for both hda6 and hdb6 swap partitions . when installing kde did not create a new initram only after when reconfiguring it manually
12:42<enouf>marcot: you need genisoimage magic
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12:42<fxiny>enouf: tomorrow i'll double check it "blinding" hdb6 swap
12:43<fxiny>now i don't feel to replace my backups
12:43<enouf>fxiny: ok ;-) nice and simple eh? :-p
12:43<billybigrigger>does debian have official message forums?
12:44<billybigrigger>or is the wiki my best place to look for support?
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12:44<marcot>enouf: I'll take a look, thanks.
12:44<themill>fxiny: careful! I don't know if uswsusp checks to make sure the partition is actually a swap partition, but it certainly used to. I managed to accidentally point it at the device for / once and that didn't go so well for that installation.
12:44<fxiny>enouf: it can be dangerous cause a new intird is needed to suspend , maybe mine is an extreme situation ,the average laptop comes with one swap or none
12:46<onur>Hi. I am using Debian testing. Linux does not recognize my blank dvd+r discs. When i insert a blank dvd+r disc, gnome says: blank 'Blank DVD+RW Disc' and dmesg says: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! So, wodim not working. Is this a bug? Should i submit a bug report? If it is a bug, which package should i report?
12:46<krishna>billybigrigger: I think HERE is the best place to look for support
12:46<billybigrigger>k
12:46<fxiny>themill: when reconfiguring it asked for the right swap partitions hda6 and hdb6 , hda was active and hdb was not
12:46<enouf>marcot: syslinux.zytor.org has some nice mkisofs (genisoimage) commands all layed out
12:46<enouf>er
12:47<billybigrigger>well its just nice to be able to look for howto's or whatever on a forum and do some reading before filling the irc with my problems :P but i think i found what i need on the wiki, thanks
12:47<fxiny>themill: and i found hda6 in uswsusp conf
12:47<marcot>enouf: ok, thanks.
12:47<enouf>marcot: s/syslinux.zytor.org/syslinux.zytor.COM
12:48<krishna>onur: the same happened to me and I reported a bug, but I was not sure whether it was a kernel or hal bug
12:48<enouf>fxiny: i think i'd rather play with the kexec option for suspend/hibernate;-)
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12:48<onur>ok, thanks krishna
12:48<krishna>onur: it "fixed" with some upgrade I did (I use Sid)
12:49*Guest949 crosses everything for Saturday
12:49<enouf>onur: dvd+rw-mediainfo ... and use growisofs
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12:50<fxiny>enouf: i don't even think to suspend anything , that is a fluxbox system and i wante to check kde . only that , dunno if gnome installs uswsusp . kde does
12:50<enouf>onur: oh, a +RW, eh? well well ,.., how did you blank it?
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12:50<onur>enouf, it's says: Mounted Media: 1Ah, DVD+RW
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12:50<onur>but my media is DVD+R
12:50<enouf>and many other things onur
12:50<enouf>er ..
12:50<fxiny>enouf: look . i'll do the backup replacement now . i'll add a second swap to fstab and we sse
12:51<enouf>wanna bet? :-P unless gnome-volume-something is remembering the last inserted media or someshit
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12:52<enouf>fxiny: if kde force-depends on some uswsusp - well that;s just stupid
12:52<enouf>fxiny: you sure it's not a Recommends?
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12:52<fxiny>enouf: we see in a minute
12:52<fxiny>enouf: i'm replacing backups
12:53<enouf>fxiny: add this to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends
12:53<enouf>APT::Install-Recommends "false";
12:53<fxiny>enouf: adding both swap partitions to fstab this time
12:53<billybigrigger>where can i find the non-free and contrib apt sources for installing the nvidia driver???
12:53<enouf>billybigrigger: /msg dpkg nvidia , /msg dpkg contrib, /msg dpkg non-free
12:53<chealer>fxiny: it's only a recommendation
12:54<billybigrigger>enouf, thanks
12:54<enouf>np
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12:55<fxiny>chealer: rebooting with two swap partitions in fstab and installing kde
12:57<TMcTrain>hi there I have some troubble calling rm -f /var/log/* out of an init script on one machine there is the message can't find the files on an other machine the rm doesn't even work! Are there some tricks to get the rm working?
12:58<billybigrigger>enouf, so all i have to do to add non-free and contrib is to make sure my main source ends with "main contrib non-free" ???
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12:59<billybigrigger>enouf, or do i have to make a new line in sources.list???
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13:00<hahnp>billybigrigger: yes
13:01<krishna>billybigrigger: just put contrib non-free at the end of the line in your sources.list, no ned to add new lines
13:01<billybigrigger>cool thanks
13:01<krishna>billybigrigger: then aptitude update
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13:04<fxiny>blarson enouf themill chealer : yes! adding the second swap in etch does it : initramfs generated
13:04<_sassi>inge announce te kanalen nå mera eller ? boten kommer och går..
13:05<fxiny>so . if a swap is not active no initramfs is generated , needs a dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp
13:05<hahnp>!netherlands
13:05<dpkg>i heard netherlands is a small (41526 miles^2) country in northwestern Europe (between Germany, Belgium and the North Sea. It has about 16M citizens, and is a contitutional monarchy. Capital is Amsterdam, government is in The Hague. Other major cities: Rotterdam, Utrecht, Eindhoven, Enschede.
13:05<hahnp>!nl
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13:05<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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13:06<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. good job! ;-)
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13:07<fxiny>enouf: only one is added to /etc/uswsusp.conf > hda6
13:08<Ikarus>hrm, getting "Failed to initiate AP scan" from wpa_supplicant in /etc/network/interfaces style setup
13:08<fxiny>enouf: that is the resume device
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13:08<Ikarus>hahnp: that's not Dutch though
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13:09<hahnp>hm... thought so ^^
13:09<hahnp>what is it?
13:09<enouf>fxiny: i see .. i think .. but i really would just block all recommends
13:09<enouf>:-)
13:10<enouf>and select them .. as needed
13:10<Ikarus>hahnp: swedish, norwegian, danish, one of those
13:10<hahnp>hm kay
13:10<cahoot>sw
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13:11<cahoot>sweidshish
13:12<fxiny>enouf: aptitude improved so much i tend to let her doing whatever she wants , removing stuff after , like i did for avahi . most of the time i don't even know some recommended packages exist
13:14<enouf>fxiny: i understand ...
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13:15<Ikarus>anyway, anyone familiar with the "Failed to initiate AP scan" error from wpa_supplicant on an Intel 4965AGN card, with setup in /etc/network/interfaces (ie, iface wlan0 inet dhcp\n\twpa-driver wext\n\twpa-ssid MyNet\n\twpa-psk MyPass\n) ?
13:15<fxiny>enouf: luckily the third "uncle" swap is encrypted , so uwsusp ignored it :))
13:16<enouf>fxiny: heh
13:17<Ikarus>oh, duh
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13:17<Ikarus>regulatory domain is still US I'd bet
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13:19<fxiny>enouf: that third "uncle" was intentional , for eno(f) ; there are there are ... , burn , burn :)
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13:20<Ikarus>right, iwlist now lists my network
13:20<Ikarus>but still no connect
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13:36<TedyBear>Hello
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13:36<TedyBear>I need some help configuring the appearance of some programs in gnome
13:37<TedyBear>All the text and buttons in those programs are very very small
13:37<TedyBear>unreadable.
13:37<stew>TedyBear: what does "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" return?
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13:37<TedyBear>112x112
13:38<TedyBear>stew: that's dpi
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13:38<bsulzer>hi ev'rybody
13:38<stew>TedyBear: yeah
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13:39<stew>TedyBear: you can switch the gtk font size with the switch2 utility
13:39<bsulzer>anyone has an idea how i change the resolution of the tty console to 1280x800?
13:39<stew>TedyBear: if your dpi was too low (if you could you should verify if 112 is accurate), that would also cause the problem
13:40<bsulzer>or at least something where i can display more than 25 lines...
13:40<stew>bsulzer: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution
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13:41<bsulzer>and what does that mean?
13:41<stew>dpkg: tell bsulzer about fbcon resolution
13:42<TedyBear>stew: that did the trick for some applications but klibido still looks like it's zoomed way out.
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13:43<stew>TedyBear: yes, you'd need to set kde/qt fonts somewhere else
13:44<stew>TedyBear: with kcontrol maybe?
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13:53<bsulzer>stew: is dpkg a bot?
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13:53<stew>!bot
13:53<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
13:54<bsulzer>phew!
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13:55<TMcTrain>No one an idear about the rm problem?
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13:55<hahnp>TMcTrain: whats the problem?
13:56<TMcTrain>i have a rouge module which is flushing the /var/log/messages causing the hdd to overflow
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13:58<TMcTrain>i can't change the debug output from theses module so i figured i could delete all files in the /var/log directory during boot up to ashure a 24hour working period on an temporary basis
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13:58<hahnp>yes
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13:59<TMcTrain>so i put the line /bin/rm -f /var/log/* in an init script but this doesn't do the job
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13:59<TMcTrain>can't execute on the one system and on the other system gives an files not found error
13:59<simonrvn>witf
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14:00<hahnp1>where did you put it?
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14:00<bsulzer>stew: you are the best
14:00<stew>\*/
14:00<TMcTrain>i have a own startup script called out of init.d
14:00<bsulzer>stew: thx a lot
14:00<stew>bsulzer: you're welcome
14:01<hahnp1>somewhere in the rcs?
14:01<stew>TMcTrain: what are the log messages? can you just prevent them from getting into messages from syslog.conf?
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14:01<blarson>TMcTrain: deleted files stay on disk until closed. It sounds like the file is still open.
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14:02<TMcTrain>its a module setting an continuous message during usage
14:02<TMcTrain>first it didn't matter cause of the sporadic usage
14:03<TMcTrain>but now there is a havy access to the module and i can't get the modules to compile, cause I have no right access on the system
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14:04<TMcTrain>the problem is that the messages are spawn a STDERR and gets into kernel.log system.log and in messages.log
14:04<TMcTrain>so after 6 ours the log files are > 500MB one wouldn't matter but all 3 are killing the system
14:05<simonrvn>tell whomever the admin is of that box this
14:05<bsulzer>if anyone can tell me how the "auto completion tone" is called, i'd be very happy
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14:05<TMcTrain>I am, but I'm 200km away right now and can#t rebuild the system
14:05<enouf>bsulzer: bell?
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14:08<enouf>bsulzer: look at the /etvc/inputrc file - a ~/.inputrc can be used to override, or source, or whatever
14:08<bsulzer>enouf: thx a lot. i found something useful
14:08<enouf>do not bell on tab-completion # set bell-style none
14:08<enouf>bsulzer: also, for related info /msg dpkg bell
14:09<bsulzer>enouf: well, that's a more elegant solution than i found in a forum
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14:11<TMcTrain>how can i prevent messages from getting into messages or syslog?
14:12<Ikarus>hmmm, okay, so Lenny will be released, unable to run WPA connections with a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userland, great, just awesome....
14:12<simonrvn>TMcTrain: syslog.conf like stew said
14:12<dr|z3d>You could prevent the sylogd service from starting. One way.
14:13<TMcTrain>i'm looking at the file right now, but do you have any tip for me?
14:13<TMcTrain>I#m not that firm with this file
14:13<schlurchz>Hi all. Sorry if this OT or a dumb question, but: is there a simple and quick way to switch from a running Gnome session to, say, ion? So that I don't have to logout, choose different WM and login again.
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14:14<schlurchz>It was possible from within Wmaker, for example
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14:14<bsulzer>enouf: the changes are set without any reboot, right?
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14:16<bsulzer>enouf: i answered the question by myself, thx
14:16<billybigrigger>in order to be able to ping my debian server from a windows vista machine, do i have to setup a dns server?
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14:16<billybigrigger>im trying to print from vista to my printer via CUPS
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14:16<billybigrigger>the printer is installed, i can print from this server and an ubuntu laptop...but windows machine can't see the printer/server or anything, can't even ping the server...so do i have to setup DNS???
14:17<billybigrigger>but i can ping from the server to the windows machine, just not the other way
14:19<dr|z3d>billybigrigger: You might have to edit access permissions in /etc/samba/smb.conf
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14:19<billybigrigger>im not using samba
14:19<billybigrigger>trying to print with cups over IPP
14:20<schlurchz>.oO( I guess it was a dumb question. )
14:21<fxiny>enouf: purging uswsusp recreates a new initrd :)
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14:22<enouf>fxiny: attaboy ;-)
14:22<dr|z3d>schlurchz: Kill the old window manager, launch the new one.
14:23<marcot>Is there a log of this channel somewhere?
14:23<fxiny>enouf: very good , almost perfect !
14:24<fxiny>i mean . aptitude installs recommended but a user can purge 'em without problems
14:25<marcot>I asked sometime ago here about generating a CD, and someone (sorry, I don't remember the name) gave me a link to a website with parameters to genisoimage.
14:25<marcot>Can you give it again?
14:26<sassi>how can i choose different wallpapers for different workspaces?
14:27<themill>sassi: kde has that built in to the desktop settings, just right click and set it.
14:27<sassi>not using kde :(
14:28<schlurchz>dr|z3d: doesn't work with ion, it spits some error about the root window... well I managed to let my gnome session explode, so I had to start a fresh session anyway :-)
14:28<enouf>marcot: syslinux.zytor.com
14:28<marcot>enouf: thanks, sorry.
14:29<fxiny>hahaha . i always say there are no virtual workspaces : is a big lie :)
14:29<enouf>marcot: that's what bookmarks are all about ;-)
14:30<fxiny>ion ? the infamous ion ?
14:30<fxiny>did the author repent ?
14:30<fxiny>:P
14:30<schlurchz>dr|z3d: I guess it's a stupid idea anyway, because Gnome is a lot more than just a WM, and you cannot easily replace it with a minimal WM session...
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14:31<TedyBear>I've tried to configure the qt fonts and managed to set them to 12 but the qt based applications are still very minimalized - any other suggestions?
14:31<marcot>enouf: good point.
14:31<schlurchz>fxiny: hardly :-)
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14:32<aaron>can you hear me now?
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14:32<fxiny>schlurchz: any chance to pull his legs is welcomed then :)
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14:34<bsulzer>@$/quit
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14:34<Joker_Da_Man>hello, have a debian question
14:35<dkr>thank you
14:35<Joker_Da_Man>Fresh install of Debian, on boot it doesn't grab an IP address, so I have to disable and re-enable eth0 and then it is fine
14:35<Joker_Da_Man>suggestions?
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14:36<enouf>Joker_Da_Man: is ifupdown pkg installed?
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14:36<enouf>how do you disable/enable?
14:36<Joker_Da_Man>Desktop -> Administration -> Network
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14:37*enouf thinks there's a VM involved
14:37<Joker_Da_Man>nope
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14:37<Joker_Da_Man>ifupdown is installed
14:37<schlurchz>.oO( Oh man. GUI stuff. )
14:37<shevek>Joker_Da_Man: Look in /var/log/messages and /var/log/kern.log to see if it says anything about it during boot
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14:37<enouf>!bootlogd
14:37<dpkg>i guess bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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14:57<path_>why suhosin.log.syslog.facility = 9 isnt defined on suhosin.ini ?
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14:58<path_>I can't see any logging option
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15:01<angelo>Hi, I'm trying to compile a kernel but when I go like 'make menuconfig' it says : scripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
15:02<angelo>and not just the one line .. a whole screen full of that
15:02<angelo>what could be the problem ??
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15:04<rizha>hello everybody , i have troble in debian with ati hd 4670. monitor cannot display it
15:04<rizha>can some one help this problem
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15:05<arthrotec>Hello
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15:08<angelo>like the C header files are missing :S
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15:28<laura>ciao
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15:30<Guest1087>irc://irc.explosionirc.net/immense
15:30-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
15:30-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@adsl-ull-245-135.47-151.net24.it] by stew
15:30-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
15:31<NickMindXPBOX>hey all, got noob ? about vi. If I am in insert mode, i can hit enter to create a new line, but if I want to move up a line. Can i without having to go into command mode?
15:31<stew>NickMindXPBOX: hit up arrow
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15:32<NickMindXPBOX>stew: when i do, that creates a new line with "A"
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15:33<NickMindXPBOX>in fact all the arrow keys create new lines with A B C D characters.
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15:34<themill>NickMindXPBOX: invoke it as vim rather than vi and/or create a .vimrc
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15:35<NickMindXPBOX>OH, am i using the older version of vi?
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15:36<NickMindXPBOX>themill: how do i create .vimrc ?
15:36<themill>you're using nvi or vim or some other vi clone in "compatability" mode.
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15:37<stew>NickMindXPBOX: what does "readlink -k $(which vi)" return?
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15:37<stew>err readlink -f not readlink -k
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15:38<TMcTrain>tx changing the syslog.conf helped
15:38<NickMindXPBOX>usr/bin/vim.tiny
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15:39<themill>NickMindXPBOX: my .vimrc is http://paste.nerv.fi/91729625.txt
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15:41<NickMindXPBOX>themill : thanks, This is a fresh install of 4.0 and i have not changed anything. Why am i using something different, or is this the norm?
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15:42<themill>NickMindXPBOX: the default is to use vim.tiny (not a full vim) and for it to be in "compat" mode when invoked as vi rather than vim. Try running it as vim rather than vi and see if that solves your problem.
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15:44<NickMindXPBOX>themill and stew: thanks, i was looking for a command like "readlink" the other day.
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15:52<ved>hey i get this 100%cpu usage
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15:56<zachary>hi
15:56<Peibolvig>Hi all
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16:00<NickMindXPBOX>anyone know of a good site to see command examples?
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16:05<Peibolvig>I just installed an etch in my laptop but it says "Without Net connection"(sorry if it's mispelled, i'm on a spanish interface)
16:05<Peibolvig>I did check if the hardware is compatible and it is
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16:06<Peibolvig>what can I do?
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16:13<enouf>NickMindXPBOX: man pages? linuxcommand.com?
16:13<themill>!grounding
16:13<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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16:23<NickMindXPBOX>enouf: very few man and info pages show examples of command usage. maybe over 40 pages i have read only 2 or 4 show any examples at all.
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16:23<Black>hi
16:23<Black>i need some help
16:23<themill>!ask
16:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
16:23<Black>as my default colors for bash is white
16:24<Black>for everything
16:24<Black>from a fresh install
16:24<themill>NickMindXPBOX: some of the other things dpkg mentioned (in particular newbiedoc, refcard, unix lessions, general cli tutorial) will be of use.
16:25<enouf>NickMindXPBOX: well - see /usr/share/doc/ - maybe install the lg (linuxgazette) pkg
16:27<NickMindXPBOX>thanks guys that is what i do, is read and read for help. I was just asking for a site that will lead me to answer quickly. and painlessly. I will try lg next.
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16:27<InkBottle>Hi, What is a package such as midori-gdb usefull for, and how do you use it?
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16:28<dr|z3d>midori-gtk ?
16:28<InkBottle>midori-dbg
16:28<dr|z3d>Debug..
16:28<themill>InkBottle: -dbg stands for debug. It's the debugging symbols for midori in case you wanted to run it in a debugging harness
16:29<dr|z3d>Not useful unless you know you need it. Safe to ignore.
16:29<InkBottle>yes but more precisely, Well I've got midori that chashes and I would like to know if "it" can help me get information about why
16:30<InkBottle>about why it crashes
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16:31<InkBottle>I read I can do $ gdb midori
16:31<InkBottle>but do i need also midori-dbg?
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16:32<InkBottle>themill: you answered (yet) :)
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16:32<dr|z3d>InkBottle: No need whatsoever.
16:33<dr|z3d>InkBottle: Unless you plan on debugging midori.. do you?
16:33<InkBottle>hummm
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16:34<InkBottle>So if it crashes on something, what can I do to know why it does, in order to inform a bug report
16:35<dr|z3d>If you don't know what debugging symbols are, you're unlikely to be able to do much in the way of debugging. If you find a crash scenario in midori, then you might want to learn up.
16:36<dr|z3d>For now, the debugging extras can be ignored. As they mostly are for all installed apps, unless you specifically request tem.
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16:38<InkBottle>First I started it with command line (instead of with the mouse); and then I've been able to see a segmentation fault (that's a begining)
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16:39<dr|z3d>Sounds like an incentive to start learning about debugging.
16:41<Hyperbuddha>is there a way to run a gui for vnc
16:41<dr|z3d>Hyperbuddha: A gui to launch VNC, you mean, or?
16:41<InkBottle>dr|z3d: I already now that Aho said "you might be twice clever to debug your program as you've been to develop it; then don't do it"
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16:42<InkBottle>so whatever I won't be clever enough
16:42<InkBottle>so I can try
16:43<Hyperbuddha>drlz3d for a vnc server
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16:43<InkBottle>they say: gdb <program> 2>&1 | tee gdb-<program>.txt and the program should start
16:43<InkBottle>it doesn't start
16:44<dr|z3d>Hyperbuddha: Shouldn't need one, and I'm not aware of one for the server.
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16:44<dr|z3d>Hyperbuddha: What you will want is either tightvncserver (separate X session) or x11vnc (pre-existing X sesssion).
16:44<Hyperbuddha>huh
16:45<dr|z3d>Or possibly something else ;)
16:45<Hyperbuddha>dr|z3d whats an xsession
16:46<dr|z3d>Hyperbuddha: An X session is what vnc displays.. it's your windowing environment.
16:46<Hyperbuddha>ok thanks
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16:46<dr|z3d>Hyperbuddha: So, if you want to view an already logged on user's desktop, you'd use x11vnc. If you want your own separate vnc session, tightvncserver.
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16:48<InkBottle>dr|z3d: if I run midori, just typing midori; then do pidof; then gdb; then attach; midori stop actually running. Is it normal?
16:49<dr|z3d>InkBottle: Couldn't tell you, offhand. Debugging isn't my thing.
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16:50<InkBottle>dr|z3d: thanks however
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16:50<themill>InkBottle: you normally need to tell gdb to "r" run or "c" continue.
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17:09<Holden_McNeil>nabend
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17:09<InkBottle>You were right, it's not very helpful to run gdb when you know nothing about it. Nevertheless, midori crashes with a segfault with /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so very often
17:10<InkBottle>not really usable for this task
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17:15<screenn>I've tried to use hibernate, but after #hibernate command the system gone down,
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17:15<jrabbit>hibernate = S3(?)
17:16<jrabbit>most mobos only unlock with hitting the power key but there mgiht be another
17:16<jrabbit>:P
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17:17<screenn>:)
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17:17<screenn>it's the hibernate package from lenny
17:17<screenn>smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk)
17:17<jrabbit>want a paste of the manual?
17:17<jrabbit>:>
17:17<InkBottle>can someone try something? start midori www.google.com; then click on video; wait; don't click to start the "large" video (it would work); instead of it click on a small one
17:18<jrabbit>suspend to ram != hibernate
17:18<jrabbit>lol
17:18<jrabbit>nvm
17:18<jrabbit>bad naming
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17:19<screenn>so, do you know why it is shuted down my pc instead hibernate that?
17:19<jrabbit>huh?
17:19<jrabbit>did you read what I said
17:19<jrabbit>the BIOS handles that
17:19<jrabbit>you generally need to hit the power button to unsleep
17:20<screenn>I did
17:20<screenn>and my pc boot as usually after that
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17:21<screenn>so, suspend mode works well
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17:22<billybigrigger>how do i allow my debian machine to be pingable? i cant ping this machine from my ubuntu laptop, or windows laptop, but both laptops can ping each other
17:22<billybigrigger>debian machine can't even ping itself
17:22<screenn>suspend works with the "echo -n mem > /sys/power/state" command
17:23<screenn>and unsleep after power on from suspend mode
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17:23<screenn>but, I thought maybe I need configure hibernate.conf or something else
17:23<jrabbit>bios.
17:24<screenn>what kind of options from bios you meant?
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17:26<nmd202>yesterday someone mentioned how to create a incrementing list using {1..20}, but i cant seem to find the note i made of it. a little help
17:26<nmd202>?
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17:26<screenn>I think bios is well configured for that, because hibernate worked in the appropriate os once
17:26<nmd202>*using the form {1..20}
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17:27<screenn>so, maybe someone have an experience with using hibernate package in debian?
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17:28<nmd202>screenn: that's been a popular question for the past few days. i believe you need to look into the packages s2ram and s2disk
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17:29<guilherme>i need to use opencv lib, i installed it and installed -dev package too, but what i need to type at terminal to compile my code??
17:30<screenn>nmd202 what you mean, is it packages from the distr? I didn't find them
17:31<guilherme> /msg dpkg paster
17:31<nmd202>yeah. you might want to use google to find them. i do not see them in the repos either
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17:31<nmd202>there is a bot that does that, but ...
17:32<nmd202>stupid bot. where are you hiding?
17:32<adama>!bot
17:32<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
17:33<guilherme>http://pastebin.com/d7f87869b
17:33<screenn>oh, I see, it's a lot of configure files into /etc/hibernate/ directory
17:33<nmd202>screenn: dunno. i never used it
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17:35<screenn>oh, I just tired to boot my laptop all times, you know
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17:36<nmd202>i think there might be a package specifically for laptops... but i'm not sure
17:36<screenn>hibernate is a very necessary feature for laptop users I think
17:36<nmd202>on linux it's called s2ram
17:36<nmd202>or s2disk
17:36<nmd202>they are two different packages.
17:36<nmd202>on NT it's called hibernate
17:37<screenn>s2ram - sounds like suspend mode, s2disk like hibernate isn't it?
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17:37<nmd202>like i said. i never used them
17:37<screenn>I heard
17:37<screenn>I never used too :)
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17:37<themill>judd info hibernate
17:38<judd>themill: hibernate (utils): is extra; Version: 1.94-2; Size: 84.0k; Installed: 356k -- smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk)
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17:38<themill>nmd202: ^^ there's also a debian package called hibernate that originally came from the tuxonice project
17:39<nmd202>screenn is the one who wants it. i'm not using it because it would negate some security features i have on my system.
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17:39<nmd202>but people keep asking about it
17:39<nmd202>wierd
17:40<themill>nmd202: I was just commenting on your assertion that linux doesn't use the name hibernate. The hibernate script was actually around before the s2disk script.
17:40<screenn>I used hibernad what I said, and that has shutted down my laptop, but before that tried to hibernate (I can saw it by power lamp)
17:40<themill>!suspend troubleshooting
17:40<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp.
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17:43<nmd202>yeah. had you been around a few weeks ago i might be using that right no
17:43<nmd202>*Now
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17:43<nmd202>doesn't matter at this point for me though
17:44<screenn>so, tuxonice or hibernate package, looks not bad, as I said that is from the distr, I don't want to hear nothing about s2ram or s2disk cause that tools not from the distr
17:44<screenn>still try to run hibernate package yet
17:45<guilherme>what is wrong with this: http://pastebin.com/d7f87869b how can i use the opencv lib??? thanks
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17:46<themill>screenn: s2ram and s2disk are both in the uswsusp package and they work very nicely for me
17:47<InkBottle>nmd202: do you advise not to use s2(ram|disk)|hibernate|uswsusp, for security reasons?
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17:48<InkBottle>themill: I use the same it seems to work
17:48<InkBottle>fine
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17:50<screenn>themill really? can you explain how they can work for me please? :)
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17:50<screenn>I have uswsups installed now
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17:51<screenn>oh, great, it has a lot of documentations,
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17:51<nmd202>InkBottle: depends on wether or not you have a security feature built into your boot process
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17:52<themill>screenn: "dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp" should be enough to get you going with s2disk
17:52<InkBottle>nmd202: I see
17:53<screenn>now, I'm reading file:///usr/share/doc/uswsusp/HOWTO.gz
17:53<InkBottle>bye
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17:57<screenn>themill what the matter of /dev/snapshot?
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17:58<screenn>I don't have /dev/snapshot, is it will be the virtual device?
17:59<themill>screenn: It will be created if/when needed.
17:59<Kalleos>hi. Ive installed VLC and cant play h264 .mkv video files. Do I have to install an additional codec separately?
17:59<screenn>I used all options by default
17:59<screenn>let's see what I have now
18:00<screenn>what can I try hibernate now?
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18:07<nubcake>in grub.. is there a way to specify multiple initrd for a single kernel image ?
18:08<nubcake>tried initrd (hd0,4)/offline/initrd.cgz,scsi.cgz but get error that it cnat find file, and it works if i remove the ,scsi.cgz but i need that to load as well.
18:08<Dargor>nubcake: you can use the init=/somthing
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18:10<Dargor>dont know. init= is for os init scripts.
18:10<billybigrigger>how do i allow my debian machine to be pingable? i cant ping this machine from my ubuntu laptop, or windows laptop, but both laptops can ping each other
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18:10<Dargor>debian should reply to pings out of the box, have you set it up wrong.
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18:11<screenn>s2disk has shuted down my laptop too
18:11<Dargor>billy: how do your machines get ips
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18:12<screenn>so, maybe that is all because I use encrypted partition?
18:12<screenn>themill have no ideas about what can I use that :(
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18:31<Aster456>Hi guys
18:31<Dargor>hu
18:31<Dargor>hi
18:31<ah>hi
18:31<Aster456>What do I need to add to /etc/apt/sourses.list to be able to install flash-nonfree on Lenny?
18:32<Aster456>(I am a total noob switching to linux rom Windows)
18:32<Dargor>add the nonfree line
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18:32<Aster456>Dargor, what's the line?
18:32<Dargor>have a line something like.. deb http://somemirror/debian lenny main non-free
18:33<Dargor>the main and non-free are the two sections youve got.
18:33<Dargor>theres also contrib
18:33<blarson>!tell Aster456 about non-free sources
18:34<Aster456>wll this line do? deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free
18:34<ah>i am new to linux where can i find a good site for beginner (i found a lot in google )??
18:34<Dargor>they make you evil. a small fluffly animal somewhere will die.
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18:34<Dargor>yea thats right.
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18:36<ah>how can i compile a C++ program in linux??
18:37<Dargor>gcc
18:37<ah>i know gcc !! how can i use it?
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18:39<ah>wha is the best book for linux beginner tutorial??
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18:40<blarson>!tell ah about build-essential
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18:41<Dargor>!tell Dargor about build-essential
18:41<blarson>!tell Dargor about selftell
18:42<Dargor>lol,
18:42<Dargor>i just wanted to see what it did
18:42<Hyperbuddha>how do i connect to a tightvnc server
18:42<Hyperbuddha>and or find my local ip address
18:42<Dargor>ifconfig
18:43<adama>vncviewer
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18:55<df1amb>Hi, I am trying to get suspent to disk working on my laptop. powersave -U makes it go to sleep but the wake up fails. Do I need to pass a Kerneloption to get the wakeup to work?
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19:00<Hyperbuddha>I get an error that says dpkg was interrupted you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correcy
19:00<Hyperbuddha>what do i do
19:01<avu>Hyperbuddha, have you tried running dpkg --configure -a? :)
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19:01<Hyperbuddha>yah i got
19:01*gutocarvalho is back (gone 03:37:11)
19:02<avu>gutocarvalho, please disable the public aways script in this channel. think about how messy it would be if all the people in here did that :)
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19:03<gutocarvalho>avu, ok public away is disabled, sorry.
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19:04<InkBottle>I'm looking for someone to make a test with midori
19:05<goodger_>from XKCD QuoteDB: "official prank of 2009: get a package into a debian repo with a dependency on ubuntu-desktop" --- does anyone know whether this actually happened?
19:05<InkBottle>open google; then open video; then click on a video that is not the "large" one
19:05<Hyperbuddha>avu here is paste bin of the error pastebin.com/m7de67b5d
19:06<avu>Hyperbuddha, well, you didn't run what it told you to run :)
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19:06<Hyperbuddha>huh
19:06<avu>Hyperbuddha, what you ran: 'dpkg dpkg --configure -a'. what it told you to run: 'dpkg --configure -a' :)
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19:10<amphi>goodger_: no idea, but it's quite a prank
19:10<goodger_>amphi: quite
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19:12<Aster456>I get "Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate" when I try t apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
19:12<Aster456>what am I doing wrong?
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19:14<goodger_>Aster456: you are using the testing distribution, possibly. it is being kept out of stable from now on
19:15<blarson>Aster456: Is non-free in your sources.list? Have you done apt-get update?
19:16<Aster456>This is what my sourses look like
19:16<Aster456>http://pastebin.com/m671ddb6d
19:16<Aster456>and I am using Debian Lenny
19:17<Aster456>and I id apt-get update
19:18<Aster456>here is entier error message: http://pastebin.com/m7aea890e
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19:19<avu>Aster456, read what goodger_ wrote..
19:19<avu>and/or:
19:19<avu>!flashpugin-nonfree
19:19<avu>hm
19:19<avu>dpkg, wake up!
19:19<dpkg>avu: I'm already awake! :)
19:19<Aster456>goodger_, I dont know what you mean, could you please explain?
19:19<avu>!flashpugin-nonfree
19:19<avu>dpkg, flashplugin-nonfree
19:19<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and cannot be in a stable debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easist way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
19:19<avu>sigh.
19:20<Aster456>So Lenny is now stable?
19:20<avu>no
19:20<avu>but it will be at some point
19:20<Hyperbuddha>how do i launch the control center in gnome'
19:20<avu>so anything that can't be in stable, can also not be in lenny
19:21<goodger_>it will be on saturday, according to the present target
19:21<goodger_>Hyperbuddha: type alt-f2 and type "gnome-control-center"
19:21<Aster456>but I added the lines to sourses.lis the way dpkg told me
19:21<goodger_>Hyperbuddha: the control center modules are also listed under the System-> Preferences menu
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19:21<Aster456>http://pastebin.com/m671ddb6d
19:21<avu>Aster456, well, you didn't install the package dpkg told you to install though..
19:22<avu>Aster456, also, no you didn't
19:22<avu>Aster456, as dpkg said, the package is in the dmm repository
19:22<avu>dpkg, dmm
19:22<dpkg>from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
19:22<Aster456>avu dpkg didnt tell me what package to install. I want to install flashplayer-nonfree
19:22<avu>yes it did
19:22<avu>dpkg, tell Aster456 about flashplugin-nonfree
19:22<Hyperbuddha>how do i have something auto start in gnome
19:22<Aster456>avu, I dont mean to argue, I'm just new and am struggling a bit
19:23<avu>Aster456, well, read the private message dpkg just sent you
19:23<goodger_>Hyperbuddha: go to the Sessions module of gnome-control-center and add it to the Startup Items list
19:23<Aster456>avu, isnt that already in lenny (whatever dpkg is suggesting?)\
19:23<Hyperbuddha>thanx
19:23<avu>Aster456, I don't know how I can make it any clearer than the text dpkg writes..
19:24<Aster456>avu, my iceweasel s playign flash, but it's some other plugin
19:24<avu>Aster456, really. read the whole message dpkg wrote.
19:24<avu>Aster456, it tells you 'The easiest way to install flash...'
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19:27<Gun_Smoke>I have no luck with that package..
19:27<Gun_Smoke>I've just grab the .so from the adobe site and copy it to ~/.mozilla.plugins works like a charm
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19:29<avu>Gun_Smoke, well, it works fine on my machines. have you reported a bug?
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19:30<Gun_Smoke>no.. I should have but with as much problems flash always has I figure why bother..
19:31<Gun_Smoke>with the packaged version I get a grey circle with a massive play button in the middle.. youtube vid's sort of show up, 'bark' for a half second - second and back to the big grey screen of death.
19:31<avu>haha. fail.
19:31<Aster456>I have a question: Are you all usinf SWfdec on your linuxs for viewing flash?
19:31<avu>what you were using was either swfdec or gnash.
19:31<Aster456>it seems a little buggy
19:31<avu>Aster456, no we don't.
19:32<avu>Gun_Smoke, you weren't using the dmm package at all.
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19:32<adama>Aster456: I installed the one from adobe's site, it works fine
19:32<avu>sigh.
19:32<avu>buckets of fail all around. I'll go do other things.
19:33<Gun_Smoke>avu, aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla works about as well as Vista does..
19:33<Aster456>adama, I thought I coldnt do that?
19:33<Aster456>which one did you download?
19:34<Aster456>avu, my iceweasel cam with it, what do you use?
19:34<Gun_Smoke>*wrong* package.. nonfree
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19:35<avu>Aster456, again, what dpkg said.
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19:36<adama>Aster456: the file is called install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
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19:36<Aster456>adama, I need 10
19:36<avu>Aster456, do. what. dpkg. said.
19:36<avu>there, I said it a fourth time. now I'll just ignore you.
19:36<adama>well I did it in 2007-08-27 ...they might have a new one now
19:37<Aster456>I installed Debian Multimedia, like dpkg told me, now what? how do i access it or install flashplayer-mozilla?
19:37<nmd202>i want to parse a file and remove any ljne with a reverence to a specified string
19:38<avu>nmd202, you mean you want to remove all lines *containing* a specific string?
19:38<adama>nmd202: grep -v 'specified string' file > newfile
19:38<avu>nmd202, if so, sed -i '/the string/d' file
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19:39<nmd202>heh. guess it wouldn't hurt to read the man page for grep, eh
19:39<Aster456>Ok, now I installed flashplayer-mozilla by apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla, but my iceweasel is still using SWFDec... how do I fix this?
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19:39<adama>Aster456: try removing the swdec file in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
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19:40<avu>adama, don't tell people to just delete files from packages. tell them to uninstall the packages instead
19:40<adama>but then they won't come back here later with new problems about missing files!
19:42<Aster456>so what do i do?
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19:42<nmd202>o_O
19:42<adama>aptitude remove swfdec-thing
19:42<adama>whatever it's ccalled
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19:43<Gun_Smoke>that want's to remove gnome gnome-desktop-enviroment here
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19:43<avu>so?
19:43<adama>autoremove?
19:43<avu>gnome-desktop-environment is just a meta-package
19:44<avu>and it might depend on swfdec, so it will get removed if you remove swfdec. no harm done.
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19:45<Aster456>I am really confusd now. I dont need tor emove anything, I just need Iceweasel to use flash-mozilla instead of swfdec
19:45<Aster456>How hard can that be?
19:46<Aster456>Damn thing does not show up in iceweasel plugins list
19:46<avu>iceweasel/firefox doesn't have a nice plugin management unfortunately, so just removing swfdec is the easiest solution
19:46<krishna>Aster456: I used to have swfdec-mozilla which worked fine for most flash sites, but in youtube and other video players I lost the controls like play/pause and volume
19:46<avu>but perhaps the docs comming with that flash package you just installed have additional hint
19:46<adama>Aster456: actually it does, go to tools - addons, plugins, find swfdec, click disable
19:46<avu>reaad them!
19:47<krishna>Aster456: I tried other free flash-players, but none was 100%
19:47<krishna>Aster456: Now i'm using Adobe flash player 10 available to 32 and 64 bits from adobe downloads page
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19:47<Aster456>krishna, on Debian lenny?
19:48<Aster456>adama, no, it's not in my list
19:48<krishna>Aster456: on Debian Sid
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19:48<Aster456>avu nothing when I typr man flashplayer-mozilla
19:48<krishna>Aster456: but it is the same iceweasel 3
19:49<avu>Aster456, every package you install comes with a /usr/share/doc/<package>/ directory
19:49<avu>Aster456, more can sometimes be found using dpkg -L <package>
19:50<Aster456>krishna, did you download .deb package?
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19:51<krishna>Aster456: I saw there was a .deb package, but I just downloaded the .tar.gz file, uncompressed and copyed the file to the right place
19:51<avu>what hoops you all jump through to get flash is amazing :)
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19:53<Aster456>avu, no kidding
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19:53<Aster456>there aer some things about linux that get me very frustrated
19:53<burnclouds>exit
19:54<burnclouds>exit
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19:56<Aster456>krishna, that worked, thanks a lot
19:58<Aster456>now I just neeed to get the damned webcam to work
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20:14<the_champ>hi- I'm running etch (2.6.18.6-686 i think) and was trying to get my belkin F5D7050 (wireless usb adapter) working. I have the zd1211b driver installed and it is recognized as a Belkin Component now but it says wlan0: no such device. when I do an ifconfig, the only device that shows up is lo.
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20:17<the_champ>can anyone please point me in the right direction? :)
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20:19<Asteroid345>Is theer any guide out there for installing webcams?
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20:25<twb>!busybox
20:25<twb>Is there a busybox channel?
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20:27<zachary>possibly on freenode, not sure though
20:28<twb>No #busybox on freenode or oftc.
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20:28<twb>I thought it might have some less-intuitive name.
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20:28<zachary>what sort of problems are you having with busybox
20:29<twb>I wanted to know if it was possible to get some kind of basic automatic directory listing in busybox's HTTP daemon, as is done by thttpd.
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20:30<twb>Currently you just get a 404 if you try to list a directory for which index.html doesn't exist: e.g. http://ymir.twb.ath.cx/
20:31<twb>It doesn't look like it is possible, reading the comments in the source code
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20:32<zachary>man I'm getting out of shape bad
20:33<goodger_>zachary: go for a ten-mile run on mondays, wednesdays and fridays, and stop eating starch
20:33<zachary>like potatos or pasta
20:33<goodger_>*nod*
20:33<zachary>thanks for the tip
20:34<goodger_>potatoes provide absolutely nothing beside energy. foods like meat and vegetables contain energy as well as proteins, fats, vitamins and minerals
20:34<goodger_>and fibre.
20:35*twb runs away from scary meatspace talk
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20:35<goodger_>twb: you know you love meat. stop hiding from yourself :P
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20:36<twb>meatspace is where all the icky humans live
20:37<goodger>meat is an essential part of the human diet
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20:37<bailinphil>good evening, has anyone used live-initramfs?
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20:38<goodger>so are fruits, nuts and vegetables. tubers, grains, most dairy products and anything processed are artificial contaminants
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20:41<DeepDayze>any news on Lenny release?
20:41<DeepDayze>last I heard it was gonna be Feb 14th...if I got it right
20:41<dondelelcaro>!tell DeepDayze -about lenny status
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20:43<bailinphil>seriously, they're going to release on valentine's day?
20:43<bailinphil>that's... discouraging
20:44<goodger>bailinphil: why?
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20:45<goodger>valentine's day is a christian tradition with decreasing observance, and in any case is not a valid reason to not do work
20:45<bailinphil>ok
20:45<bailinphil>that wasn't what i was saying, but never mind
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20:46<goodger>I shall be working a full day on valentine's day and then proceeding with romantical stuff in the evening
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20:47<Sark>hi
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20:48<goodger>hi sark
20:48<DeepDayze>nice release date tbh
20:49<goodger>quite. a saturday
20:49<goodger>everyone can spent saturday evening and sunday fixing their broken upgrades
20:49<goodger>*thumbup*
20:49<DeepDayze>haha
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20:50<DeepDayze>i got lenny RC on a lappy now...
20:50<goodger>DeepDayze: indeed, but there will be a slew of broken updates because, quite simply, the upgrade path is partially broken
20:50<DeepDayze>lol goodger...romance at the top of the list for Saturday :D
20:51<goodger>there was talk of backporting a tiny little bugfix to the etch version of aptitude, but afaik this was not done
20:51<DeepDayze>thought Etch->Lenny upgrade path is pretty good
20:51<DeepDayze>unless the tools are broken
20:51<goodger>and consequently aptitude must be upgraded before everything else, otherwise all hell breaks loose
20:51<goodger>IIRC
20:52<DeepDayze>guess some people forget to update aptitude and friends
20:52<billybigrigger>anyone here have expierience in getting a microsoft vx1000 webcam working? lsusb shows the device...
20:52<billybigrigger>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 045e:00f7 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-1000
20:52<DeepDayze>MS makes good hardware...but most work with Linux :)
20:53<billybigrigger>but cheese just shows static and camorama can load /dev/video0
20:53<DeepDayze>what driver gets loaded?
20:53<DeepDayze>if /dev/video0 exists then some driver loads
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20:54<zachary>too bad pidgin doesn't support webcam
20:54<DeepDayze>not yet
20:54<billybigrigger>there is no /dev/video0
20:54<DeepDayze>but that's down the road, zachary
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20:55<DeepDayze>billybigrigger: not sure what chipset the vx1000 uses
20:55<goodger>zachary: that's been in development since forever and is nearing completion AFAIK
20:55<billybigrigger>well from what i can tell its supposed to use GSPCA drivers
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20:55<nmd202>hey. anyone use squid?
20:56<DeepDayze>i see, billybigrigger
20:56<DeepDayze>perhaps a quirk
20:56<billybigrigger>and i did an apt search for gspca and it came with a bunch...so i think im going to try and install gspca-modules-2.6.26-1-686
20:56<DeepDayze>install the modules for your kernel
20:56<asc>I'm using Lenny and need the beta nvidia drivers. I installed the 180.22 nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source packages from experimental and then ran "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source" (from http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers) to make and install the driver. Upon installing a known good xorg.conf and restarting GDM, it failed with the error "NVIDIA: Could not open the device file /dev/nvidia0 (Input/output error). Whic
20:56<asc>h doesn't appear in Xorg.0.log, but that's what it said. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/1335105, xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1335584
20:57<billybigrigger>2.6.26-1-686 is what uname -r spits
20:57<DeepDayze>if they are not installed already, billybigrigger
20:57<billybigrigger>so i think im on the right track
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20:57<asc>Today's special: Slap with your first tl;dr :p
20:57<DeepDayze>ok, use that package
20:58<billybigrigger>DeepDayze, ok
20:58<billybigrigger>i have that installed
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20:58<billybigrigger>lsmod doesnt show anything new or related to gspca
20:58<billybigrigger>think modprobe gspca would do it?
20:58<enouf>billybigrigger: sn9c102
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20:59<billybigrigger>enouf, well that module is already loaded
20:59<billybigrigger>sn9c102 127780 0
20:59<billybigrigger>videodev 27520 1 sn9c102
20:59<billybigrigger>v4l1_compat 12260 1 videodev
20:59<billybigrigger>thats from lsmod
20:59<DeepDayze>ok...now open cheese
21:00<DeepDayze>make sure webcam is connected
21:00<billybigrigger>webcam is connected
21:00<billybigrigger>and green light is on
21:00<DeepDayze>ok so far so good
21:00<billybigrigger>static
21:00<billybigrigger>just like before
21:00<DeepDayze>weird
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21:00<billybigrigger>looking through dmesg now...
21:00<billybigrigger>hold on
21:01<DeepDayze>gspca cams are a pita to get working right
21:01<billybigrigger>[ 8.080030] Linux video capture interface: v2.00
21:01<billybigrigger>[ 8.096035] sn9c102: V4L2 driver for SN9C1xx PC Camera Controllers v1:1.47pre49
21:01<billybigrigger>[ 8.096035] usb 1-1: SN9C105 PC Camera Controller detected (vid:pid 0x045E:0x00F7)
21:01<DeepDayze>i have an old Creative Notebook Cam that is gspca
21:01<DeepDayze>and I get snow too
21:01<billybigrigger>[ 8.584025] usbcore: registered new interface driver sn9c102
21:01<billybigrigger>k
21:02<billybigrigger>well its detected fine
21:02<DeepDayze>right
21:02<billybigrigger>just the module isnt loading correctly, or at all
21:02<DeepDayze>why is sn9c102 loading?
21:02<DeepDayze>thought it was gspca
21:03<enouf>device/vendorID match DeepDayze
21:03<enouf>vid:pid == VendorID:ProductID
21:03<DeepDayze>ahh
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21:04<DeepDayze>weird billybigrigger is getting static
21:04<DeepDayze>wonder if anyone else has that same webcam
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21:11<Katleta>hey guys, what client is most popular for downloading torrents in linux?
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21:12<nmd202>so. how hard would it be for someone with physical access to a *nix computer to install a keylogger to the system?
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21:13<nmd202>i'm asking this from a security standpoint. i am not asking 'how to hack'.
21:13<Katleta>nmd202, I would assume that would require root access so they most likely will not ale to spy on you
21:14<Katleta>will not be able to*
21:14<nmd202>but
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21:14<nmd202>really just a matter of how long it would take them to crack the pass file
21:15<nmd202>nm. guess i just answered my own question
21:15<Katleta>I dont think linux will allow you to brute force the login
21:15<asc>About as hard as plugging the keyboard into the keylogger and plugging the keylogger into the computer
21:16<Katleta>nmd202, it's as secure as any other OS or even more secure
21:16<Katleta>asc there are hardware keyloggers?
21:16<nmd202>all they really need is a livecd
21:16<nmd202>then crack your passwd file
21:16<Katleta>I guess why not, if there are hardware penies a.k.a vibrtors
21:16<asc>http://www.keyghost.com/USB-Keylogger.htm
21:16<blarson>With physical access, it depends on hardware how hard it is to either get it to boot something else or put the hard drive on an untrusted system.
21:17<nmd202>forgot i could disable cd booting...
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21:17<nmd202>nm
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21:17<Katleta>what's the most popular trrent client for inux?
21:18<Katleta>something like Utorrent would be nice
21:18<jrabbit>lol
21:18<jrabbit>No
21:18<asc>I found 'transmission' to be pretty decent. There are so many it would be hard to say which is most popular.
21:19<jrabbit>No it would not
21:19<Westies>deluge is pretty nice and somewhat similar
21:19<jrabbit>Do you even understand debian?
21:19<jrabbit>Deluge is a good client
21:19<jrabbit>mainly for GNOME
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21:20<billybigrigger>well i got that pos webcam working
21:21<billybigrigger>picture is horrible though haha
21:21<billybigrigger>waste of time
21:21<jrabbit>:)
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21:21<jrabbit>It worked though
21:21<billybigrigger>it works
21:22<billybigrigger>cheese has a horrible red/black look
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21:22<billybigrigger>and camorama has a wierd blue color to it
21:22<billybigrigger>junk all around
21:22<Katleta>Is there any way to see the command issue by gnome?
21:22<Deiz>With two monitors (And TwinView), fullscreen applications take both. Is there a way around this?
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21:34<unkazs>hi
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21:40<Katleta>Where should I put a folder with binaries that I only will be executing?
21:40-!-unkazs [~hector@201.144.235.165] has left #debian [Saliendo]
21:40<Katleta>in other words, what is the programs files folder in linux?
21:42<nmd202>anyone use squid?
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22:05<Asteroid345>How do I switch locales in Debian Lenny?
22:05<Asteroid345> have 2 locales installed
22:06<enouf>Asteroid345: in X? setxkbmap
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22:07<Txt-file>!locales
22:07<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
22:07<nmd202>anyone got a second to help me get /usb/sbin added to my path.
22:07<enouf>Asteroid345: not X? loadkeys (for one time) .. and er /msg dpkg keymap (the console-{setup,tools) pkgs might have a tool
22:07-!-Efex [~jkjkjkj@c-68-59-173-108.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #debian
22:08<Efex>Hey everyone, I have a few questions on Debian if anyones up for it.
22:08<Asteroid345>enouf, not the keyboard, but the OS language
22:08<Txt-file>!tell Asteroid345 about locales
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22:09<Asteroid345>Txt-file, so i set the language when I login?
22:09<Asteroid345>I lready have the right locales installed
22:09-!-arthurfurlan [~arthurfur@189.34.89.65] has joined #debian
22:09<Asteroid345>I just need to know ow to switch between them
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22:09<Efex>I'm trying to boot Debian from USB so I can use it pretty much where ever I go. I don't know which version to download, though. I don't fully understand what the options of "aplha, armel, ia64, etc" mean. I'm guessing those are processors, right?
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22:10<Asteroid345>Efex, thsoe are diffeernt machines/cpus FAIK
22:10<Leenucks>searching forums and couldn't find settings for php.ini... does anyone have info about forums? I just can't make mail() to send email..
22:10<Efex>I see. How do I decide which one I need?
22:10<Asteroid345>Efex, for intel machines you need i386
22:10<Txt-file>Asteroid345: you must run dpkg-re... one time and the system should keep it
22:10<simonrvn>yes they're arches
22:10<enouf>Efex: see debian.org/ports
22:10<Asteroid345>Txt-file, set default by dpkg-recnf ?
22:11<Asteroid345>is there no other wa of runtime switching?
22:11<Efex>I see. If I'm running this off a USB, does it still matter?
22:11<Txt-file>Efex: i386 is compatible to the most pc's
22:11<enouf>through a DE perhaps Asteroid345 - or your DM if any
22:11<Asteroid345>Efex, yo are going to run it on a regular pc right? so i386 should do
22:11<Txt-file>Asteroid345: yeah .. dpkg-reconf will set the default locale
22:11<simonrvn>Efex: of course the box you connect to has to be the same arch
22:11<Efex>Alright. Thank you!
22:11<Asteroid345>enouf, I have no idea what DE or DM is
22:11<Efex>simonrvn, what does arch mean?
22:12<Asteroid345>Efex, architecture
22:12<Efex>oh
22:12<enouf>neither do i, but they can do what you want - depending
22:12<simonrvn>(most are fyi, unfortunately)
22:12<Efex>Ahh...I get it. Does i386 cover the new intel macs as well as the new intel i7 processor?
22:13<simonrvn>yes, but they boot differently
22:13<simonrvn>i7 dunno
22:13<nmd202>what's the file i need to edit to make permanent changes to my bash environment?
22:13<simonrvn>!info elilo lenny
22:14<dpkg>elilo: (Bootloader for systems using EFI-based firmware), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.8-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 132 kB, Installed size: 448 kB
22:14<simonrvn>those ~/.bash* files (not _history)
22:14<Efex>If I'm running off an 8 gig flash drive, would it be best for me to use the business card version of debian?
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22:14<simonrvn>won't matter much
22:15<enouf>!info grub-efi lenny
22:15<dpkg>grub-efi: (GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI version)), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.96+20080724-16 (lenny), Packaged size: 1181 kB, Installed size: 3312 kB
22:15<Efex>Hmm...I'm seeing the regular version is like...five DVD's worth. Does that mean the actual OS is about 15-20 gigs in size?
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22:16<enouf>there;s wiki.debian.org/Macbook
22:16<enouf>no
22:16<simonrvn>Efex: no
22:16<enouf>a typical DE install is ~2G
22:16<simonrvn>that's just the entire repo
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22:17<goodtime>i think it might meen that theres alot of data to customize debion
22:17<enouf>non-slimmed down ... and using desktop task
22:17<enouf>but one always wants free room
22:17<blarson>There are a lot of optional packages.
22:17<goodtime>its a small shell
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22:18<Efex>alright...that sounds reasonable
22:18<Efex>Well, I'm in between on switching completely over to debian linux from Windows Vista (because we all know it sucks)
22:18<simonrvn>!netinst
22:18<dpkg>netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
22:19<Efex>If I move permanently to Debian Linux, will there be any drawbacks? Or am I able to do EVERYTHING on linux that I can on windows?
22:19<goodtime>have fun installing debion
22:19<Efex>haha I'll try
22:19<enouf>GNU/Linux is not windows
22:19<simonrvn>debian
22:19<goodtime>have fun removing vista
22:20<Efex>I will...i hate it.
22:20<goodtime>good luck
22:20<Efex>=/ hard to do?
22:20<simonrvn>Efex: drawbacks?
22:20*simonrvn can't think of any
22:20<Efex>I write music and want to make sure my music programs will be able to run on linux
22:21<goodtime>well my battery is low bbl
22:21<Efex>ltaer
22:21<Efex>later*
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22:21<simonrvn>if you can't find an equivalent in linux, then you can always run wine
22:21<Efex>can wine run basically anything that runs on windows xp/vista?
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22:21<simonrvn>i've heard of various music notation stuff, if that's what you mean
22:21<goodger>Efex: it depends on the individual programs
22:22<simonrvn>indeed
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22:23<Efex>Hmm...that's the only thing holding me back, really. I'm always worried I'll have to give up something when going from windows (and my MacBook) to linux
22:23<Efex>hence trying to make a bootable version on my usb
22:23<simonrvn>i'd do some reearch first then
22:24<simonrvn>research
22:24<Efex>goodger: from your earlier comments, I'd assume removing vista is a pain?
22:24<jrabbit>less of a pain then isntalling it
22:24<Efex>simonrvn: alright...i'll look into the programs I regularly use and see if they're all compatible...
22:24<jrabbit>installing vista = nuked MBR
22:24<goodger>Efex: it can be a pain
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22:25<Efex>bah...and I still don't even know if I could find all the drivers in debian for my computer
22:25<Efex>i may just fk it and use vmware
22:26<Efex>until i learn enough to do a permanent switch
22:26<simonrvn>Efex: that i wouldn't worry about
22:27-!-Sparc [~Sparc911@24-197-198-125.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #debian
22:27<Sparc>?
22:27<Efex>what do you mean?
22:27<simonrvn>the drivers
22:28<Sparc>anyone alive?
22:28<Efex>Sparc: I am
22:28<simonrvn>Sparc: nope
22:28<Efex>simonrvn: Do you think debian would still work despite the hardware in my computer? (assuming I grab the right version for my processor?)
22:28<Sparc>just finished loading xubuntu on my computer
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22:29<simonrvn>for that macbook, you just need i386 or amd64, and install elilo for the efi support
22:29<Sparc>i'm not all that impressed.
22:29<simonrvn>Sparc: yeh, and it's the wrong channel for support ;)
22:29<Sparc>I don't need any
22:30<Sparc>mental support but thats it
22:30<Efex>I support you if you decide to not use it...
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22:30<Efex>what's the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu?
22:31<Efex>simonrvn: elilo? is that an emulator of some sort?
22:31<Sparc>x is smaller and runs on lowere speed machines
22:31<simonrvn>ubuntu uses gnome, xubuntu uses xfce
22:31<stew>Efex: ask #ubuntu or #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
22:31<Sparc>yep
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22:31<simonrvn>Efex: no, a bootloader for efi machines like that macbook
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22:31<c4_>i wanna die!
22:32<Efex>ahh...alright.
22:32<Sparc>c4 wait long enough and it will happen
22:32<c4_>i run gparted and deleted all partitions
22:32<enouf>you started when you were born
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22:32<Sparc>ouch
22:32<c4_>do i have a chance to restore them?
22:32<trevor>c4_:yikes
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22:33<enouf>c4_: /msg dpkg gpart
22:33<trevor>don't write anything!
22:33<c4_>i didn´t
22:33<c4_>im in another disk now
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22:34<c4_>i will try gpart
22:35<c4_>thanks
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22:39<goodtime>Efex: you should try partitioning your hd and leave windows on the c drive aand set up debion on the other and runn wine in linux so you can do you music thing till you figure out linux more so
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22:39<Efex>hmm...partitioning wouldn't take to much effort.
22:40<Efex>I heard somewhere that partitioning an HDD makes it run a bit slower, though...is that truE?
22:40<goodger>nope.
22:40<jrabbit>lol.
22:40<goodtime>wine is a windows emulator
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22:40<goodger>just, "nope"
22:40<goodger>goodtime: no, it is a windows implementation
22:40<goodtime>same thing i guess
22:41<Efex>alright. after i partition, I could basically just install as normal via the dvds?
22:41<trevor>W.ine I.s N.ot (an) E.mulator
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22:41<goodtime>true it isnt
22:42<goodtime>i meen after you install grub you can at least boot either windows or debion
22:43<goodtime>wine just runs windows apps i guess
22:43<goodtime>not windows itself
22:43<trevor>basically
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22:44<knoppix_>hi guys
22:44<trevor>eh
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22:44<Guest1135>gpart can see the deleted partitions, im scared of doing something wrong
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22:45<c4_>can you tell me what should i do_
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22:47<goodtime>how much space is the deleted partition
22:47<c4_>there are 4
22:47<goodtime>heh
22:47<c4_>30521mb
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22:48<c4_>4094mb swap
22:48<c4_>300599mb
22:48<c4_>and 275262mb
22:48<goodtime>that sucks
22:48<c4_>is all that 640 gb hd
22:48<c4_>yes it does
22:49<goodtime>you running linux
22:49<c4_>and it says that are ext2, but there are ext3
22:49<Supaplex>and a 20 gijawatt power supply!
22:49<c4_>yes, im on knoppix6
22:50<Supaplex>ahh the red headed step child in the debian wannabe family.
22:50<goodtime>oic i think theres a few commands i can rustle up brb
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22:51<Jengajam2>Anything important on that partition? Because if Gparted did what you say it did, it's basically toast.
22:51<goodtime>well im updating
22:51<goodtime>hmm
22:51<goodtime>hang on
22:51<Dargor>what what did you do, i think i've recoverd partitions before
22:52<goodtime>my bw is being used ill brb
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22:53<goodtime>might know someone who knows
22:53<goodtime>diff channel
22:53<c4_>ah... things since 1995 are important?
22:54<Supaplex>only when it's important.
22:54<Dargor>parted can rescue partitions.
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22:55<Supaplex>and testdisk
22:55<Jengajam2>c4_:http://www.sysresccd.org/
22:55<c4_>yes, i only want to cry, but files wont get back with that
22:55<c4_>why the hek i press that "do it" buton!
22:56<Dargor>lol, you'll learn from this.
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22:56<c4_>Jengajam2> you mean: gpart /dev/sdx and thats all?
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22:58<Jengajam2>no, but the system rescue cd is the best thing i'd recommend
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23:00<goodtime>no answers in there
23:00<goodtime>must be asleep
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23:01<c4_>ouch
23:02<c4_>all the aches are again
23:02<c4_>in shoulders, back, nek
23:02<c4_>hehe
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23:03<c4_>"you will have to reboot to..."
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23:05<goodtime>maan im getting pinged
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23:07<heffay>i installed cpufreqd and no matter what governor i chose the min and max cpu speed are the same as reported by cpufreq-info
23:07<heffay>how do i edit the min freq?
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23:08<heffay>i have the correct cpu driver loaded and it displays all the speeds the cpu is capable of correctly
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23:09<c4_>hi
23:09<c4_>my soul came back to my body
23:10<c4_>i need a drink...
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23:24<craigevil>heffay: http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html
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23:52<Gun_Smoke>bit OT... know of a way to create a .nzb from the command line?
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23:54<heffay>that link didnt tell me how to set the min and max speeds
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23:55<heffay>there are files called scaling_min and _max_freq but changing their values had no effect, even after a restart
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