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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-02-26

---Logopened Thu Feb 26 00:00:06 2009
---Daychanged Thu Feb 26 2009
00:00<Ouroboros>johnfg: /etc/init.d/restart ntp; ntpq -p
00:00<adb>reinstall ssh maybe
00:00<Ouroboros>johnfg: /etc/init.d/ntp restart; ntpq -p
00:00<JayBoCC2>its setup but i get connection refused every time so i'm confused as to why its refusing connection
00:01<johnfg>Ouroboros, OK, I'll give that a try.
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00:01<adb>JayBoCC2: use a good user ?
00:01<Ouroboros>johnfg: the output should let you know what is wrong
00:01<Ouroboros>JayBoCC2: can always check the firewall: iptables -L -v
00:02<Ouroboros>JayBoCC2: maybe ssh is listening on the wrong interface for some reason?
00:02<jelloir>JayBoCC2: what does "netstat -tap |grep sshd" output
00:02<johnfg>Here's what I got: localhost: timed out, nothing received
00:02<johnfg>followed by, ***Request timed out
00:02<johnfg>Everything else is up and running fine, I don't get it.
00:03<JayBoCC2>mm sec i'll run back down there lolz
00:03<Ouroboros>johnfg: you are just trying to act like a client, right?
00:03<johnfg>Ouroboros, right.
00:03<Ouroboros>can you post your ntp.conf
00:04<johnfg>Well, something I did must have worked, the time just changed to 2204, that's Mountain time.
00:04<Ouroboros>yes, it can take a while after the restart command
00:04<Ouroboros>ntpq -p should now show that you are connected to some servers
00:05<johnfg>You're right, and thanks. What do you think was wrong?
00:05<Ouroboros>i dont know, my ntp doesnt work sometimes also, i never figured this out
00:06<Ouroboros>johnfg: any firewall up?
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00:06<johnfg>yeah, there is, but it wouldn't have worked at all if the port was being blocked, right?
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00:07<Ouroboros>its supposed to work through the firewal, yeah
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00:08<Ouroboros>hm, is & allowed in shell scripts?
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00:10<dr|z3d>Ouroboros: Sure.
00:11<Ouroboros>hm
00:12<JayBoCC2>Ourboros : i have no IPtables rules setup
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00:12<JayBoCC2>jelloir: nothing was output via that command
00:12<JayBoCC2>but according to aptitude openssh-server is installed and up to date
00:13<Ouroboros>JayBoCC2: /etc/init.d/ssh restart ?
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00:15<JayBoCC2>i will try
00:15<Ouroboros>ah, i see, my script was just exiting before the backgrounded command finished :(
00:16<jelloir>JayBoCC2: What Ouroboros said.... if sshd is not bound to an interface or listening then try restarting (or starting) ssh
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00:18<JayBoCC2>dur
00:18<JayBoCC2>i figured it out
00:18<JayBoCC2>when i restarted the service
00:18<JayBoCC2>it told me..
00:19<JayBoCC2>i accidentally capitalized "no" for allowrootlogin
00:19<JayBoCC2>lol
00:19<JayBoCC2>:X
00:19<jelloir>;)
00:19<JayBoCC2>it only errored on sshd restart
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00:20<Ouroboros>it probably errored on system boot also, except its buried on the logs somewhere
00:20<JayBoCC2>yea, it spins by too fast at boot
00:21<JayBoCC2>runnin 2.5ghz quad core xeon ;)
00:21<Ouroboros>hm, is there a shell command to sleep forever? something better than while true; do sleep 1; done
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00:23<JayBoCC2>'enh not that i know of
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00:24<Ouroboros>i guess 'read' works if you have an input stream
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00:24<brutishsaucer>hello world!
00:24<brutishsaucer>!help
00:24<chealer>Ouroboros: kill your shell?
00:25<brutishsaucer>kill myself!
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00:25<Ouroboros>chealer: not that kind of sleep :(
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00:25<chealer>Ouroboros: well, which kind of sleep?
00:25*JayBoCC2-[jay] slaps JayBoCC2 around a bit with a large trout
00:26<Ouroboros>basically, i want ssh -N -X -Y host... for some reason this does not work
00:26<Ouroboros>i.e. when i specify -N, -X stops working
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00:48<Ouroboros>night
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01:00<syd>anyone know how to work with multiple audio devices in ALSA?
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01:02<syd>my onboard sound (Intel) is fine, but the M2496 card (it's an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96) seems like it's set up correctly, but I get no sound except for a click when I change the sample rate
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01:03<ike>http://pastebin.ca/1347534 oi, i still get this ugly error in 2.6.28.7
01:03<ike>when i insert a usb stick
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01:07<naufal>hi
01:07<naufal>hi
01:07<MaaKut>hello, people... can anyone tell me, where should I specify quirks used by default when laptop is suspended to RAM (I'm using Debian 5)?
01:08<jm_>MaaKut: for suspend it's best if you try a newer kernel first
01:08<MaaKut>I expected that kind of answer :)
01:08<MaaKut>actually I'm able to suspend/resume using the following command: pm-suspend --quirk-vbe-post --quirk-vbemode-restore --quirk-vbestate-restore
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01:09<MaaKut>so I guess to fix my problem (laptop does not wake up) I just need to set proper quirks
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01:11<jm_>have you tried using s2ram/s2disk?
01:12<MaaKut>not yet, I still see some chances to make pm-suspend work
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01:13<MaaKut>as I've mentioned, manual suspending with proper quirks does work: laptop suspends and wakes up as desired.. I just need to make the system use these quirks when laptop lid is closed
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01:14<jm_>I have no idea about that, I use s2ram/s2disk only
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01:36<alexcat>hola, que nombre tiene un servidor para pegar texto plano para el irc?
01:37<jm_>!es
01:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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01:39<zzxia>大家好
01:39<zzxia>有中国的吗
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01:47<Knives>Hey, could anyone possibly help me with my external HDD not mounting properly on debian?
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01:47<jm_>I doubt just about anyone can
01:48<Knives>It gives me an Invalid mount option error when I try double clicking on the drive.
01:48<jm_>does it work if you mount it manually?
01:48<Knives>I installed ntfs-3g, and my drive is ntfs configured. Don't know what's wrong.
01:48<Knives>No, I even tried force mounting it.
01:48<duraperidol>zzxia: ni hao
01:48<jm_>how does your mount command look like?
01:48<duraperidol>ni shi zhongquo ren?
01:49<Knives>mount -f /dev/sdc1 /mnt1/media/
01:49<Knives>This is what sudo fdisk -l displays: http://pastebin.com/m8a45e11
01:50<zzxia>duraperidol nihao
01:50<zzxia>wo shi zhong guo hangzhou
01:50<penpen>Knives: try adding -t ntfs-3g to the mount command
01:50<duraperidol>** ni shi na guo ren?
01:51<Knives>Alright, let me try.
01:51<penpen>Knives: or -t ntfs to just use the default read-only NTFS driver
01:51<Knives>Should I add sudo before everything
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01:53<penpen>Knives: is your system configured to use sudo?
01:53<penpen>Knives: i would try mounting it manually from a terminal first so you can see what error messages are coming up
01:55<Knives>penpen: Yes my system is.
01:55<Knives>Here is what the output is when I type mount: http://pastebin.com/m6a424d67
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01:56<jm_>it thinks your file system was not cleanly unmounted
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01:58<Knives>jm_: how do i proprly unmoung a drive through terminal?
01:58<penpen>Knives: he means it was not cleanly unmounted by windows
01:58<jm_>Knives: you need to do that in windows
01:58<Knives>oh, so safely remove hardware option?
01:58<penpen>Knives: you would need to remount it in windows and then use the 'safely remove hardware' icon
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01:59<Knives>gotcha
01:59<Knives>let ,e try
01:59<penpen>Knives: if that doesnt fix it, try running a chkdsk on it after you connect it and then safely disconnecting it
01:59<penpen>Knives: in windows, you can do that by typing chkdsk /r X: from the command prompt where X is the drive letter of the removable drive
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02:00<pancaran>I need help
02:00<simonrvn>!ask
02:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
02:00<pancaran>can I upgrade my knoppix to debian
02:01<Knives>Wow, it works now.
02:01<jm_>probably, with lots of manual work, easier to reinstall
02:01<Knives>Thanks a bunch guys!
02:04<pancaran>No i have only one boot cd an my internet connection is GPRS
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02:06<Knives>Hey guys, this is kind of random, but my sandisk 8GB cruzer usb flash drive stopped working today
02:06<Knives>What I mean by that is that my laptop no longer recognizes it under explorer.
02:06<Knives>But my friends' laptops did recognize and installed the software.
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02:06<Knives>However, I can see it under Device Manager, it's just not showing up in explorer, so I can't access the files.
02:06<jm_>you're in wrong channel for windows help
02:06<Knives>I tried uninstalling software, and reinstalling. but no avail. This is all on my cista 64bit
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02:07<Knives>=( Any general suggestions with handling flash drives not being recognized by windows?
02:07<chealer>!tell Knives about enter
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02:07<chealer>Knives: wrong channel
02:08<Knives>Sorry.
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02:15<franki^>can anyone help me get my bcm4328 wireless card working, it was working under ubuntu, and i thought that it was covered by either the b43 or b43legacy modules, but i can't get it to work, any ideas?
02:15<franki^>(i could be doing something very stupid)
02:15<Tengu_>mmm...... did you activate non-free mirrors ?
02:15<franki^>but, i've loaded the modules and nothing shows up in ifconfig or iwconfig
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02:16<franki^>yes
02:16<Tengu_>bet you need a firmware... which is non-free
02:16<Tengu_>what does dmesg show you ?
02:16<franki^>ah, right
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02:17<franki^>[ 567.325711] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]
02:17<franki^>[ 581.864962] Broadcom 43xx-legacy driver loaded [ Features: PLRID, Firmware-ID: FW10 ]
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02:17<jm_>franki^: follow the wiki
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02:18<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi - identify your card/driver, then use the link for your particular combination and you can find the steps there
02:18<Tengu_>hmm.. isn't it "follow the white rabbit" ??
02:18*Tengu_ runs away
02:19<franki^>jm_: i've been following the macbook wiki, http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#head-09fc2624bdcc2aff5ef8addde71b56fda3e1274c but i remembered that the wifi got native support
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02:20<jm_>franki^: check the above link -- it has several broadcom related pages
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02:20<franki^>jm_: i am now, thanks :)
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02:30<franki^>it says "Examine the kernel ring buffer (dmesg) to verify the required firmware files are being loaded by the driver" -- [ 567.325711] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]
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02:30<franki^>i'm examining, but it's not getting very far :)
02:31<franki^>other than that, it seems to suggest i've fone everything fine, but iwconfig shows nothing
02:31<franki^>s/fone/done/
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02:35<jm_>so you're sure you need bcm43xx driver?
02:36<franki^>yes, bcm4328
02:36<jm_>which kernel are you using?
02:36<franki^>2.6.26
02:37<jm_>then you need *b43* driver
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02:38<jm_>perhaps you already have this loaded - verify with lsmod
02:38<franki^>like this:
02:38<franki^># lsmod | grep b43
02:38<franki^>b43 126376 0
02:38<jm_>did you install b43-fwcutter package?
02:38<franki^>yes
02:38<franki^>and it ran without error
02:39<franki^>and i tried: dpkg-reconfigure -plow b43-fwcutter too
02:39<jm_>did it download firmware?
02:39<franki^>umm, well, i guess
02:39<franki^>it asked me if i wanted it to, i said ye, no error
02:39<jm_>ok, did you run iwconfig?
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02:40<franki^>yeah, and it just shows my wired eth0 and lo
02:41<jm_>is there anything else in dmesg output?
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02:42<franki^>well, if i just dmesg, there's a lot of output :)
02:42<franki^>but, i'm not sure if there's anything else useful, i don't have much experience with it
02:42<jm_>what's its PCI ID? run lspci -nn
02:43<franki^>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4328] (rev 03)
02:43<franki^>which bit's the PCI ID?
02:43<jm_>14e4:4328
02:43<franki^>okay
02:44<jm_>that's not in the supported list apparently
02:44<franki^>hmm, well it worked on ubuntu without ndiswrapper
02:44<franki^>but, you think that i should just use ndiswrapper?
02:46<jm_>which kernel did ubuntu have? 2.6.28?
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02:47<franki^>ah, i can't exactly remember, but possibly .27 or .28
02:47<franki^>i hadn't thought of tht
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02:47<jm_>yeah that one has support
02:48<jm_>so try with a newer kernel
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02:49<franki^>well, thanks for your help, i have to go to uni in a minute, but i'll get on that later
02:49<jm_>np
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02:54<blast_hardcheese>So I've got a laptop with a Transmeta chip in it,
02:54<blast_hardcheese>What does it do for me?
02:54<blast_hardcheese>Is there any real advantage to having this under Linux?
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02:55<todd>hi there ,how to know the graphics driver's version?ps:intel 945 GM
02:56<jm_>check package version/X logfile
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02:57<todd>jm_, could you make it more clear?I don't quite understand
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03:00<radwanex>ciao
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03:01<radwanex>ki fai!!!
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03:10<Ouroboros>why does this happen: [ -n $foo ] && [ -z $foo ] && echo "huh?"
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03:15<jm_>todd: which part?
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03:16<todd>I want to know the commands,for I don't quite know waht's the content's meaning of the logfile,I am not english speaking
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03:17<jm_>todd: dpkg -s xserver-xorg-video-intel
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03:21<todd>jm_, thanks very much
03:21<jm_>todd: note that debian applies some patches to the driver
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03:22<todd>jm_, yes,there's some problems with debin 4.0 on my laptop hp520
03:22<todd>sorry,debian 4.0
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03:26<jm_>todd: why not upgrade to debian 5.0? it has newer kernel/driver
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03:27<todd>jm_, I've upgraded my debian from 4.0 to 5.0 with dist-upgrade
03:28<jm_>todd: ok, so you should have version that supports it
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03:28<todd>jm_, yes you are right,but the effects is not well!
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03:30<todd>I 've compiled the intel graphics driver (2.6.0) but the dpkg -s xserver-xorg-video-intel showed the version is (version:2:2.3.2-2+lenny6)
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03:33<todd>jm_, I'm going to reboot,see you later
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03:34<jm_>todd: don't do that, upgrades will overwrite manually installed drivers
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03:40<jrabbit>heh
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03:45<qimo>hello
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03:45<Maulkin>Quite
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03:49<todd>how to enable 3d accelerator on inter 945 GM
03:50<jm_>you need to load drm modules and enable dri in X
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04:18<tuxcrafter>what could be the reseaon that mktemp freezes with 100 cpu load: jelle 2467 88.1 0.0 1776 348 pts/3 R+ 10:05 9:58 mktemp -p /home/jelle/scanscript/ .scanbusy.txt
04:18<tuxcrafter>there is 1 gb free mem and disk
04:20<Steven_M>hi all
04:20<Steven_M>one of my key bindings didn't work, here's the output: http://paste.debian.net/29181/ Any ideas?
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04:24<jm_>are you sure that's how keybinding is created?
04:25<jm_>documentation doesn't agree with you
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04:26<Steven_M>jm_: can you give me an example?
04:26<jm_>Steven_M: http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/doc/Key-Maps.html#Key Maps
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04:26<ubuntu>hi
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04:27<ubuntu>change name_
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04:29<Steven_M>jm_: thanks
04:30<Steven_M>jm_: are you a ratpoision user?
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04:35<jm_>Steven_M: nope
04:36<Steven_M>jm_: ok
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04:39<coniptor>I'm still on etch and running into some trouble. I've recently migrated to a LUKS/dm-crypt encrypted raid1 disk which I can successfully decrypt with the 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem kernel. However I'm trying to compile my own and when I get to the LUKS passphrase: prompt It fails each time saying to check for support for aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher in the kernel. Is there an additional patch the debian kernel devs apply?
04:40<duraperidol>http://osdir.com/ml/linux.kernel.device-mapper.dm-crypt/2007-03/msg00033.html
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04:43<coniptor>duraperidol: Thank you, however I came across this searching on this issue on google already and my most recent kernel I compiled dm-mod right into the kernel instead of as a module in addition to the cbc sha256 aes loopback loopback-crypt and other related drivers right into the kernel. Also After three passphrase entry attempts I don't get a initrams prompt where I can cat /proc/crypto or check the modules it's loading. I'm at a loss.
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04:45<duraperidol>ok
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04:46<duraperidol>coniptor: so we don't clog up this #, switching to pm.
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04:46<coniptor>duraperido: ok, ty
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04:47<naghtan>hello
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04:47<naghtan>Im jsut finish install DEbian 5.0 and it reset each time any program try goes internet, what could i do?
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04:55<Athunye>Hello. iptables -A INPUT -p udp -j DROP is blocking aptitude. Any idea ?
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04:56<blarson>Athunye: If you block all udp, you are blocking dns.
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04:57<Athunye>blarson: OK. Thanks.
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05:01<petemc>why would anyone want to block all incoming udp?
05:02<Athunye>petemc: Some guys who are learning :D
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05:13<zmonroe>need help configuring my Xorg.conf
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05:13<zmonroe>is there like an example I can use?
05:14<Athunye>zmonroe: First you should run Xorg -configure as root
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05:14<zmonroe>I have..
05:14<jm_>perhaps it would help if you explain your actual problem
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05:15<Athunye>:q
05:15<zmonroe>My screen resolution is way two low and I have a agp winfast video card
05:15<Athunye>Oops.
05:15<Athunye>In Section "Screen"
05:16<Athunye>Modes "1280x1024" or whatever suits you.
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05:16<zmonroe>ok... that sounds right
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05:18<naghtan>hello
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05:18<r00t>hello naghtan
05:19<jm_>verify what drivers finds out in x logfile/xrandr will also list supported resolutions
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05:19<pablum>he's dead, jm
05:19<jm_>pablum: yes, but I said it before he "died"
05:20<pablum>had to say it anyway
05:20<pablum>maybe i'm the only one laughing
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05:29<FoxBG>Who is on recommendation on installing a dvd 1 or a mb netinstall 150?
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05:30<koollman>I would go with netinstall image, unless I'm quite sure I will have troubles with network setup during installation
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05:31<FoxBG>netinst have pppoe support from a cd ?
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05:50<omg_onoez>i have a pretty wired question
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05:51<omg_onoez>i wanna play some single opensource rpg
05:51<omg_onoez>8)
05:51<Tekno>doom
05:51<omg_onoez>never interested in gaming, so could someone give me an advice
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05:51<Tekno>rpg hmm
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05:52<omg_onoez>i'm bored of playing with configs :D
05:52<Supaplex>!mmorpg omg_onoez
05:52*dpkg fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at omg_onoez for a total of 939 damage!
05:52<omg_onoez>lol
05:52<Supaplex>ouch. :P dpkg pwned you omg_onoez :)
05:52<Supaplex>!tell omg_onoez -about search
05:52<petemc>omg_onoez: apt-cache search rpg
05:53<omg_onoez>okok
05:53<omg_onoez>i just was ineteresting if someone played in some interesting one
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05:53<omg_onoez>sorry for my english btw
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05:59<Athunye>nfs common utilities (statd) and samba daemons are taking about 4 minutes to initialize, so they hang the boot process. Any known issue ?
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06:00<disv>maybe they're waiting for your interfaces to come online?
06:02<Athunye>Hmm. They hang after the message "Configuring network interfaces... Done".
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06:36<pcesar>bom dia
06:37<padski>!pt
06:37<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
06:37<padski>morning!
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06:39<Athunye>pcesar: Hello. :)
06:39<pcesar>hello
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06:39<pcesar>i'm brazil
06:39<Athunye>pcesar: Me too. (Brazilian)
06:40<pcesar>yes
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06:40<pcesar>spiking portugues off corse
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06:48<blockowitsch>hello. is there any place for some kind of master plan for big future changes in sid and testing?
06:49<blockowitsch>for example to find out when kde4 is added to sid
06:49<Tekno>How can I make gif animation from avi video
06:50<jm_>blockowitsch: try #debian-kde or check debian-kde eam's web page
06:50<jm_>KDE 4.29 has been released and is available in experimental10. Enjoy!
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06:51<blockowitsch>jm_: sure i could ask, but then everyone who wants to know that would have to ask ;)
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06:52<jm_>blockowitsch: yes, you can tell them to add it to the news section on their web page, or set topic in #debian-kde or whatever
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06:53<yahoo>how to format drive in ubuntu
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06:54<jm_>!tell yahoo -about ubuntu
06:54<yahoo>how to format drive in ubuntu
06:55<yahoo>how to format drive in ubuntu
06:55<yahoo>r u there
06:56<themill>yahoo: please take it to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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06:58<jm_>Tekno: mplayer/mencoder can dump each frame as image, and there are several tools to create animated gifs from there
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07:00<yahoo>ok
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07:00<yahoo>ok
07:00<yahoo>ok
07:00<yahoo>ok
07:00<jm_>ahh mencoder can do gif89a directly
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07:17<gord>oops, sorry, elbow on kbd :(
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07:44<pinglin>how to manage daemons on lenny? is there any manager or something like this?
07:45<jm_>init scripts
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07:48<inglor1>I'm trying to set up a jabber server on debian lenny, should you reccoment jabberd or ejabberd? I want support for icq,msn also
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08:15<ranix>good morning, internet
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08:15<Gekz>hai
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08:46<enouf>hi ... somewhat possible silly request ; i had (actually still have) a standard ps/2 keyboard connected to my desktop system - i spillled something on it weeks ago, so i plugged in a separate USB keyboard into my usb 1.1 port and it works fine -- how can i disconnect the ps/2 one (that actually now works, after drying out) without ruining all my open windows/system/work/ etc
08:46<Jflesch>enouf: just ... unplug it ? oO
08:46<enouf>(unfortuantely, i have basically kdm, kde loaded, though i only use a few select apps) -- should i modprobe -r <somemodule> , then disconnect it? I know i ccan do it with mice,
08:47<enouf>Jflesch: i can, sure .. just unaware of possible _system_freakout_
08:47<Jflesch>if your motherboard is not totally crappy, you can just unplug it and it should be fine
08:48<Jflesch>and I don't think there is any kernel module for ps/2 keyboards (at least not on debian default kernels)
08:48<enouf>Jflesch: it's ani ntel mobo - p2 system with a 440bx set ~1999 era :-P
08:48<enouf>s/an intel
08:48<Jflesch>hm, anyway, then it's a hardware matter, not software
08:48<enouf>Jflesch: i think it's built in - cat /proc/bus/input/devices
08:49<Jflesch>software should be fine, but if your hardware freaks out, there is nothing that drivers can do
08:49<enouf>well.. i'm only worried about the software that's running freaking out - the hardware? i have many various sized sledgehammers for that ;-)
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08:51<lili>hey guy
08:51<enouf>FWIW - i've lost my ps/2 mouse at times, and managed to close out X, then modprobe -r mousedev, then psmouse (or vice-versa), then unplug, then reconnect and reload those modules - worked
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08:52<enouf>Jflesch: anyways - here goes nothing ;-)
08:52<lili>how can i get string"2345" from the string"2345 tty1 00:00:00 xmms"???? thanks for suggestion
08:52<jm_>lili: awk, sed, cut, perl - pick one
08:53<themill>bash!
08:53<lili>with regular expression??
08:53<themill>You probably just want to use pgrep instead though
08:54<enouf>Jflesch: well, the world didn't blow up - and i haven't seen any diff in that cat output, and this keyboard still seems to work .. so - i'll let you know .. over time ;-)
08:54<stew>lili: echo "2345 tty1 00:00:00 xmms" | cut -d\ -f1
08:55<ike> what can cause a compile setup to just loop? after configure i run make, and now its stuck creating the makefiles over and over again
08:55<ike>some projects go trough the whole configure again
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08:56<lili>thanks
08:56<themill>lili: or just "pgrep xmms" ...
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08:56<stew>oh, yeah, if this is somehting coming from ps, then yes, pgrep is probably a much better tool
08:57<stew>or pidof xmms
08:58<stew>or perhaps 'aptitude remove xmms ; aptitude install audacious" :)
08:58<lili>i need to own the single value "2345" as a parameter
08:58<ike>audacious is horribly broken here for some reason
08:58<ike>xmms cant do double size
08:58<dr|z3d>ike: Tried exaile?
08:58<ike>nope
08:58<ike>but i will now ;)
08:59*dr|z3d recommends it.
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09:02<lili>stew pidof is just fine hehe
09:02<less>heh
09:02<lili>find a lazy way
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09:05<ike>looks nice, thanks dr|z3d
09:05<dr|z3d>ike: Ah, good stuff :)
09:05<ike>like that little popup thingie
09:05<dr|z3d>Oh, the OSD? :)
09:05<ike>yep
09:05<dr|z3d>That's tweakable, obviously.
09:06<ike>noticed that
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09:06<dr|z3d>You can also have it pull down coverart I *think* Quite handy.
09:06<ike>oo, a nice eq too
09:06<ike>it is
09:07<jm_>can it be controlled from command line?
09:07<dr|z3d>jm_: Never explored that.. not sure offhand.
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09:07<jm_>dr|z3d: web page is pretty poor, no mention of features there
09:08<ike>Allows you to browse the Shoutcast Streaming Radio network
09:08<dr|z3d>jm_: I imagine they'll bring that up to speed in time.. well, one hopes they do. They've got a killer app there.
09:08<ike>shame theres not a shoutcast video plugin
09:08<ike>Provides a Python console that can be used to manipulate Exaile.
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09:09<ike>a bloody ipod device driver plugin even, not that i have one by nice to know
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09:11<lili>is xchat has any text based version for this chat room????
09:11<jm_>there are many text based IRC clients in debian, apt will find them for you
09:11<lili>such as ???
09:11<jm_>uhm apt-cache search irc client
09:12<dr|z3d>lili: Not to put too fine a point on it, but IRC is text-based. What are you looking for, exactly?
09:12<dr|z3d>lili: A console based client, or?
09:12<padski>debtags search 'interface::text-mode && protocol::irc'
09:12<ike>darn,
09:12<ike>shoutcast radio plugin seems to have died
09:13<Jflesch>enouf: ack
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09:13<lili>right ! a console based client
09:13<franki^>lili: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irssi you might like this :)
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09:15<lili>yeah ..thanks i have no concept about IRC..
09:15<ike>bitchx is good
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09:17<tetrimino>can someone tell my why i can't compile a nvidia kernel?
09:17<tetrimino>damn nvidia drivers :(
09:17<ike>what drivers, what kernel?
09:17<jm_>follow the wiki
09:18<ike>got the latest drivers from the nvidia site? and the kernel headers?
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09:18<dr|z3d>ike: You might also want to take a look at Songbird; not sure if it's in the debian repositories.
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09:18<jm_>!tell tetrimino -about nvidia
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09:19<ike>im sticking to xchat
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09:19<dr|z3d>ike: I meant as a media player, not an irc client :)
09:19<ike>aha
09:19<ike>irc client, media player, same shit
09:19<dr|z3d>http://getsongbird.com
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09:20*dr|z3d laughs.
09:20<ike>not in the repo no
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09:20<ike>that looks very nice
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09:21<ike>maybe a little to maccy tho, hope thats scinnable
09:21<ike>skin*
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09:21<dr|z3d>That has support for iPod, shoutcast, video.. lots of addons available.. think Firefox for music.. and yeah, it's skinnable :)
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09:22<ike>if its open source it cant be to damned hard modifying it to work with shoutcast video either
09:22<ike>half the job should be done with the radio
09:22<dr|z3d>Indeed not, if there's not an addon already available for shoutcast vids.
09:23<ike>very weird
09:23<ike>its been around of uhm, a decade?
09:23<ike>the shoutcast video thingie
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09:26<ike>i need a unix guru
09:26<padski>!guru
09:26<dpkg>[guru] (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for (old) Macs"
09:27<ddfire>ike: here you will find debian gurus
09:27<ike>!guru meditation
09:27<ddfire>ike: debian is linux not unix
09:27<ike>behaves in the same way
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09:28<ike>if i stomped something on debian as i stomped something on this amiga bsd library gnu thingie setup i'd get the same result
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09:28<dr|z3d>ike: If you'd said *nix you'd have got away with that statement :)
09:29<Tekno>lunix ?
09:29<ike>well yes
09:29<ike>its loonix
09:30<ike>in Chinese english anyway
09:30<dr|z3d>Tekno: No one said there was any logic to that appelation :)
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09:33<ddfire>hi
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09:33<ddfire>i have many errors when i do apt-get install .... i made apt-get install and pastebin it any one can help me? http://pastebin.com/d41fb809d
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09:34<ddfire>i have 1 not fully installed or removed. but i dont know how to remove it
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09:35<d00c4>you only have to change locale settings, as it says...
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09:36<ddfire>d00c4: how?
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09:38<ike>hm Can't call method "baudrate" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/winkeydaemon line 94.
09:39<Nemoder>I'm not sure fixing locales will solve that, but you can try dpkg-reconfigure locales
09:39<lili_> i just install irssi ,and start it with $irssi --connect=irc.debian.org.....seems i have connected to this room.but i can`t get any message??what else i need to do
09:39<ike>ddfire, whats winkeydeamon?
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09:40<lili_>yeah .thanks ,
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09:44<ddfire>ike: i dont know
09:44<ddfire>Nemoder: i al ready did it
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09:47<ddfire>hehe i fix it!!!!
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09:48<ddfire>i edited the file /etc/init.d/winkeydeamon so it always return "0" as if it go ok and apt-get removed it!!!!
09:49<Bleupomme>Just a question. What possibilities are there for a remote desktop? VNC?
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09:49<Tekno>I use tsclient to connect to my Windows 7
09:49<Tekno>it uses RDP instead of VNC
09:50<ddfire>Bleupomme: to put vnc in your linux or to connecto to one? any way you can do it
09:50<Bleupomme>ddfire: A VNC equivalent on linux
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09:50<Tekno>FreeNX is pretty good
09:50<Tekno>even better than VNC
09:50<Bleupomme>ddfire: VNC or a better solution? I remember long time ago having seen Xterms
09:51<Bleupomme>Tekno: Ok thx will try that
09:51<ddfire>Bleupomme: vino - VNC server for GNOME
09:51<ddfire>apt-cache search vnc
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09:53<Bleupomme>ddfire: Ok thank you guys. The problem is that at the moment I'm using x forwarding in ssh but I am unable to see the desktop. I would like a secure VNC like server
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09:53<Tekno>why not ssh -X ?
09:53<Tekno>then you can launch apps
09:54<Tekno>or do you want just see whole desktop
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09:54<Bleupomme>Tekno: Yes that's what I do at the moment. But I would like to see the whole desktop
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09:54<dr|z3d>Bleupomme: If you want to view and existing X session, use x11vnc.
09:54<dr|z3d>*an
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09:55<lili>hello
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09:55<Bleupomme>Thank you a lot all of you
09:56<lili>perfect i am login under irrsi
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09:58<yoh>is there a way to raise verbosity of apt-get or aptitude? they both get stuck on 94% [Packages bzip2 0] but I don't know which source
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10:12<blockowitsch>how to show the io usage of each process?
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10:17<yoh>blockowitsch, iotop?
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10:21<lili>nobody talk
10:21<able>哈喽啊!
10:22<lili>able where are you stay??
10:23<able>me ? i'm in china...
10:23<lili>city of ??
10:23<able>beijing, where ary you?
10:23<petemc>this channel is focused on debian support, there are other channels for general chit chat
10:24<kevc>able: #debian-zh
10:24<able>Sorry!吼吼。。。。
10:25<Lenhix>It's cool to see weird chars in the console, although I can't understand any of them
10:26<kevc>Lenhix: www.nciku.com
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10:31<able>0_0 ,Code problem,can not display Chinese in your system.
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10:33<paul0>why user_xattr isn't enabled by default?
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10:57<thyago>telnet 114.80.67.98 9517
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11:00<tetrimino>could somebody guide me through nvidia-drivers without just copy/pasting some link
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11:03<tetrimino>please
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11:05<padski>tetrimino, what problem are you having ?
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11:06<tetrimino>well it's hard to explain for someone like me.. but i could copy/paste my nvidia-installer log if you like?
11:06<petern>i have a very noob-sounding question :( ... i've got a system which says 718MB is in use, excluding buffers and cache. adding up all the VSZ values for all processes totals 200MB. where else should i be looking?
11:07<padski>!pastebin
11:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:07<tetrimino>padski, http://pastebin.com/md17d9db
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11:11<padski>petern, I am no expert, but VSZ is not what you want, I would think. rss would be closer, but I think you have to take into account shared pages and maybe kernel memory.
11:11<petern>RSS would be an even smaller value
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11:12<E0x>tetrimino: "Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it"
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11:12<petern>35MB :D
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11:12<tetrimino>E0x, you want to execute the command in konsole?
11:13<E0x>tetrimino: if you read the nvidia-installer.log
11:13<E0x>that is you problem
11:13<tetrimino>E0x, make: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'. Stop.
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11:13<E0x>#
11:13<E0x>Kernel configuration is invalid."; \
11:13<E0x>#
11:13<E0x> echo " include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are mis
11:13<E0x>#
11:14<E0x> sing."; \
11:14<E0x>#
11:14<E0x> echo " Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it
11:14<E0x>tetrimino: you need do that where you have the linux kernel source
11:14<tetrimino>i don't know how to do that E0x
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11:18<tetrimino>E0x, do you know where that could be?
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11:19<nubcake>has anyone seen this before. I have a laptop drive usb to a debian box. cfdisk gives error of partition 3 has issues. typically a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1024 count=1 will wipe out mbr and let me reparittion disk, well each time i run dd it says complete, but still fdisk reports same partion scheme, even in fdisk if i delete all partitions, create a new one and write it, when it resynchs it goes to its original state.
11:19<padski>petern, on the system in front of me the sum of rss is larger than the figure for used less buffers and cache given by free (by about double)
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11:21<E0x>tetrimino: http://linuxinside.blogspot.com/2008/03/debian-nvidia-drivers.html
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11:24<U-M>hallo
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11:26<naghtan>hello
11:26<U-M>was ist los
11:26<djc>parse error
11:28<U-M>erzähle mir was
11:28<djc>!nl
11:28<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
11:28<cahoot>!de
11:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
11:28<naghtan>why when I try launch aptitude install nvidia-glx it say No candidate version found for nvidia-glx ?¿?¿
11:29<djc>naghtan, non-free enabled in sources?
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11:29<petern>padski: yes, that's what i'd expect
11:29<chaser>naghtan, why not use the installer from nvidia itself
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11:29<themill>chaser: because it doesn't play nicely with apt/dpkg.
11:29<djc>chaser, ive heard it borks up debian, and that m-a was the way to go
11:29<djc>!m-a
11:29<dpkg>module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare
11:29<naghtan>chaser already try... but it make my sistem freeze...
11:30<naghtan>djc how i fix it?
11:30<U-M>keiner versteht mich schööööö
11:30<nubcake>yea im at a complete lost. never seen a drive not allow me to wipe out its partition table. dd wont work, cfdisk -z wont actually write changes, fdisk doesnt write the changes. they all say it does, but after resynch still same original parittions err.
11:30<chaser>it fixed all my video problems
11:30<chaser>:/
11:30<padski>petern, but it is not so on the system in front of you, and that is why you ask ?
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11:31<djc>!de
11:31<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
11:31<themill>chaser: it will work ok for a while.... but expect trouble the next time you have an xorg update.
11:31<IP>Wow! a 421 users channel controlled by one operator. What a hack!
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11:33<petern>padski: correct. 733MB used vs 35MB rss is quite a lot
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11:35<padski>petern, google is telling about ipcs and pmap. I've always meant to get around to this :-)
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11:39<petern>hmm, ipcs is empty and pmap shows nothing odd
11:39<petern>(shows vsize)
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11:41<padski>petern, slabtop is cool :-) (but probably not relevant)
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11:43<padski>petern, anything helpful in /proc/meminfo ?
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11:44<padski>petern, I have a sense of deja vu ... did we do this before ?
11:45<beer>can someone install linux-headers-2.6.28-1-amd64 from debian unstable on amd64? I cannot. Maybe I am duringsometing wrong or is broken
11:45<djc>beer, what happens when you try?
11:47<beer>it tells me that it cannot be installed becouse linux-kbuild-2.6.28 cannot be installed
11:47<stew>beer: yes, linux-kbuild-2.6.28 is not yet in debian
11:47<stew>last I looked, it was awaiting NEW processing
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11:48<beer>how long does it take before it is in sid?
11:48<stew>beer: no way to predict
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11:49<romannnnnnnn>привет всем
11:49<stew>NEW processing is a tedious manual processs that ftp team has to do
11:49<romannnnnnnn>тут русские есть/
11:49<romannnnnnnn>?
11:49<beer>I either need that or nvidia-glx that is build agains 2.6.28 before I can use the new kernel
11:49<stew>!russian
11:49<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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11:50<smthn>X just crashed and I can't get it to start again. Using Debian 5.0 64-bit. I'm in terminal and using irssi so I'm not really sure how to show you the log message. Could anyone help me out?
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11:50<beer>and since nvidia-glx is closed source it often takes a bid longer
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11:51<stew>ahh, it looks like linux-kbuild-2.6.28 is no longer in NEW even
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11:52<petern>padski: nope... i did have a different problem with 4GB on a different system causing slowdowns
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11:52<petern>yeah, slabtop is nice, and shows me precisely what's in the cached part ;)
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11:54<petern>mostly 500MB of ext3 inode cache, heh
11:54<beer>SO I just have to find a mirror that has been updated
11:54<padski>petern, and (silly question) you are looking at all the processes ?
11:54<petern>yes, as far as i know
11:54<petern>unless there's something... malicious :o
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11:56<padski>petern, half a gig of malicious ?
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11:59<smthn>Has anyone here used Finch? I'm stuck when trying to add an account, I tried F10 and ctrl+o but I can't get the menu to appear so I can choose something other than AIM
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12:03<themill>stew: how come 2.6.26 disappeared from sid rather than just being replaced my 2.6.28 when it had passed through NEW, buildds etc. Doesn't removing binary packages need the manual intervention of ftp-master? (the package tracking system has no explanation for the removal)
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12:04<padski>petern, could you pastebin your /proc/meminfo ?
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12:05<forgotten-command>what is the command like "time" that reports on disk activity - think it was introduced with 2.6.20 kernels. /usr/bin/time doesn't hack it quite.
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12:07<stew>themill: hmm, let me see if i can find the removal
12:08<stew>themill: oh well wait, no that wouldn't need the manual intervention of ftp-master
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12:09<GhostlyDeath>The caps lock indicator is incorrect
12:09<stew>themill: when the source package was upgraded the obsolete binaries would automatically be removed
12:09<GhostlyDeath>when the caps lock light is on, I type in lowercase, when it is off, I type in caps
12:09<GhostlyDeath>this recently just happened out of nowhere
12:10<petern>padski, http://pastebin.com/m7becf84b
12:10<themill>stew: doesn't that only happen once the binaries have been generated from the source though? what if it ftbfs? The old package would be gone and the new package wouldn't be there either. ftbfs doesn't normally result in the binary being missing, just in the binary being "out of date on $arch".
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12:13<padski>petern, that is all you have running ? kernel leak maybe ?
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12:15<stew>themill: there will always be the binary that came with the source upload
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12:19<themill>stew: yes. But for all other archs there aren't. You frequently find packages in the archive that are out of date (not missing) on some arches due to a ftbfs. See rosegarden for example. After your upload the other day, packages for all archs are still available just some are out of date. The source upload didn't delete all binaries; the successful build of the new source does.
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12:20<petern>yeah it is
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12:23*petern ponders a quick reboot
12:23<stew>themill: hmm, ok, right
12:23<stew>themill: ask me again later
12:23<themill>stew: hehe. no stress. Just curious and puzzled!
12:25<petern>77MB used after a boot up, that's certainly normal now
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12:27<padski>petern, got any interesting cron jobs ?
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12:29<fxiny>hmmm , any f* damned "overflow" ?
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12:29<fxiny>i hate it
12:30<fxiny>not really hate
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12:42<Astero1D>Does anyone know any PDF software that saves forms?
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12:49<Astero1D>How do I update a certain application, like Evince?
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12:49<stew>Astero1D: "aptitude update ; aptitude install evince" ?
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12:50<Astero1D>stew, it says it already installed but it's 2.2 version when I need 2.4
12:50<stew>judd: versions evince
12:50<judd>stew: evince -- etch: 0.4.0-5 lenny: 2.22.2-4~lenny1 sid: 2.22.2-4 squeeze: 2.22.2-4 experimental: 2.24.1-1
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12:51<stew>Astero1D: you could try backporting it from expeirmental
12:51<Astero1D>How do I do that?
12:51<stew>keeping in mind that experimental packages might be harmful
12:51<stew>Astero1D: "/msg dpkg ssb" but use experimental instead of sid
12:52<Brazilian_guy>HI!
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12:53<sysop_>i have 2 interfaces wlan0(internet),eth0(LAN) and I want to forward traffic from eth0 to wlan0, I have dnsmasq installed and it is providing dhcp requests properly and resolving urls but no data is being passed through, i tried using iptables using a script I found googling but it doesn't seem to be working (this is the script http://pastebin.ca/1347966 ) can someone take a look at it?
12:54<sysop_>or give me another page to look at :)
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12:54<kapil>sysop_: did you enable ip_forward using /etc/sysctl.conf?
12:55<sysop_>echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward <<<<< is part of the script
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12:55<sysop_>is that good enough?
12:56<kapil>yes.
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12:56<sysop_>if I ping $anyurl from the client machines it will resove to a ip but time out for each ping
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12:57<sysop_>im using iptables is that the most current / best path to take?
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13:03<kapil>sysop_: your problem is that line 22 does not do what you want it to do. since your 192.168.200.x addresses are masqueraded, the packets arriving at ${WAN} do not have the destination address 192.168.200.x
13:04<sysop_>kapil; thanks, can the script be fixed or should I look around for a different method?
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13:05<kapil>sysop_: you need a line like iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
13:05<kapil>preferably _before_ line 21.
13:05<sysop_>should I delete the line you mentioned?
13:06<kapil>this will allow packets that are related to connections established from ${LAN} to ${WAN} to be forwarded when they come in the other direction.
13:06<sysop_>is 'state' the literal value or should I sub in tcp/udp..?
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13:07<kapil>yes. you can drop line 22. in fact no packet coming in to ${WAN} should have the destination 192.168.x.x since the latter is a private IP class C
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13:08<kapil>"state" is a module for iptables
13:08<kapil>see "man iptables" for more info.
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13:08<sysop_>kapil; thanks again!
13:08<kapil>you're welcome.
13:09<sysop_>perfect it works!
13:09<kapil>great.
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13:10<sysop_>its pretty quiet in here today eh?
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13:12<yuijin>hi
13:12<kapil>most people lurk quite a bit (like i was) until they find they have something to say
13:13<yuijin>i dont installation debian because it dostn show sata hdd
13:13<yuijin>why
13:13<yuijin>?
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13:15<sysop_>yuijin; what version of debian? Lenny?
13:16<yuijin>lenny
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13:17<sysop_>how do you know the drive isn't detected/
13:17<sysop_>?
13:17<sysop_>can you 'ls /dev/sd*' and get something?
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13:18<sysop_>yuijin; or try 'fdisk -l' and see what you get
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13:20<yuijin>i dont installation linux on my computer
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13:22<sysop_>what happens when you try?
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13:23<sysop_>brb
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13:24<yuijin>it doesnt show sata hdd but no problem windows
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13:25<sysop_>yuijin; you mean the installer doesnt show you have a hard drive?
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13:26<sezuan>Is it possible to set the regdom with ndiswrapper?
13:27<yuijin>yes
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13:29<sezuan>that's good. Any hints where I should look?
13:29<sysop_>yuijin; if you goto a console 'CTRL + F2' and type 'fdisk -l' what does it show?
13:29<Aaron_>GA everyone
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13:30<Aaron_>I am having a problem installing debian 5..i am a first time user is there anyone that can help me?
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13:30<sysop_>Aaron_, what the problem?
13:30<sysop_>what's
13:31<Aaron_>I Dl the dvd iso burnt it put it in the drive to boot but all it does is sit at a blinking curser
13:31<Aaron_>This happens on three different pcs
13:31<yuijin>sysop;thx , i will trying
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13:32<sysop_>Aaron_; what program did you use to burn the iso?
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13:32<Aaron_>IMGburn
13:32<Aaron_>windows sees files on the disk
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13:32<sysop_>its likely the files are there but the boot sector didn't get writent properly
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13:33<sysop_>is it right when it should boot it just sits there?
13:33<Aaron_>Sysop; is there a way to check to see if that is so?
13:33<Aaron_>Sysop; I have tried burning it at slow speeds too
13:33<sysop_>or is it after the boot screen ?
13:34<saintk>Hi, i have a pretty simple question, but for some reason i can't seem to find the awnser in the man pages or on google. I want to add a secondary ip address to my eth0 interface using ifconfig. Does anyone know the propper command to this ?
13:34<Aaron_>Sysop; it tries to boot from dvd..cause i can hear the disk spin up then it just goes to clinking cursor
13:35<sezuan>saintk: ifconfig eth0:somename 1.2.3.4
13:35<sysop_>saintk; look @ 'man interfaces'
13:35<Aaron_>*blinking
13:35<saintk>sysop_: cheers
13:36<sysop_>Aaron_; from windows I use InfraRecorder, it works every time for me
13:36<sysop_>is also free/open source
13:37<Aaron_>sysop; ok i will try burning with that
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13:37<Aaron_>sysop is there a certain speed i shoudl try burning at?
13:37<sysop_>Aaron_; i know what your going through :) i have the beer coasters to prove it ;)
13:38<Aaron_>sysop; LOL ive been wanting to try linux for years can never seem to get it to work
13:38<sysop_>Aaron_; it doesn't normally make a difference for me but 4x is usually ok
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13:39<sysop_>Aaron_; debian is an awesome distro but its a bit more advanced then lets say Ubuntu which is basicaly screw-up-proof you might want to start there
13:39<sysop_>its also debian based
13:40<Aaron_>sysop; do you have a link to where i may try that?
13:40<sysop_>http://www.ubuntu.org
13:40<amphi>Aaron_: debian is easy enough to get on with - you might need to read documentation from time to time...
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13:40<saintk>sysop_: Got it working, thanks for your help
13:40<sysop_>saintk; np good luck
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13:41<Aaron_>amphi; im pretty good with PCs i think i could do ok just a whole new way to do things is all
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13:42<amphi>Aaron_: sure; if you choose 'desktop' in the debian installer, you should finish up with a nice easy to use gnome desktop
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13:42<amphi>Aaron_: the install guide might be worth looking at ;)
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13:43<Aaron_>amphi; I will as soon as i can even get it to boot from the dvd lol
13:43<sysop_>Aaron_; its also likely a debian install will be more tuned then an ubuntu install
13:43<amphi>and if you have problems, you can wail in here
13:43<sysop_>:)
13:43<amphi>!comfort Aaron_
13:43<dpkg>There, there, Aaron_. It's OK. I'm here for you.
13:43<sysop_>lol
13:44<amphi>Aaron_: when all else fails, the bot is there ;)
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13:44<Aaron_>LOL
13:44<fxiny>dpkg rulez
13:44<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
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13:44<amphi>fxiny: !!!11
13:45<fxiny>amphi: all day on awesome/xmonad/wmii !!!
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13:45<amphi>a day of indecision? ;)
13:46<fxiny>amphi: an ugly ugly hack to get a clock on awesome . xmonad paraphernalia filled my hd up , only a 2.5G / :P
13:46<fxiny>amphi: and then , i've seen awesome at 55% cpu usage :P
13:46<amphi>haha
13:46<fxiny>wt4x !
13:46<fxiny>lua lua-ism :P
13:47<amphi>what processor? deschutes? ;)
13:47<fxiny>amphi: yes :)
13:47<amphi>hurrah!
13:47-!-jackyf [~jackyf@92-49-195-194.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #debian
13:47<amphi>the acme of trailing edge style
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13:47<fxiny>amphi: it could be my settings pushing it so high ,. but i want it like that or dead
13:48<alexxoid>hi all! after debian lenny was released, my apt-get update is downloading full package files (2-5Mb) instead of retrieving only diffs. Who knows about this stuff?
13:48<fxiny>amphi: but i prefere xmonad
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13:48<fxiny>with a clock !
13:48<fxiny>no clock no party :P
13:48<amphi>fxiny: I've not tried it - I quite liked wmii
13:49<fxiny>amphi: i'm on wmii right now
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13:49<fxiny>amphi: the only problem with xmonad is the 250/300MB of packages for rebuild a new conf
13:49<amphi>heh
13:50<fxiny>amphi: yesterday i filled / up . then it appered a funny df fs called "overflow"
13:50<fxiny>amphi: 1MB /tm mounted on it
13:51<fxiny>amphi: so all my scripts dumping in /tmp aborted
13:51<Aaron_>sysop; i cant get infrarecorder to work
13:51<amphi>fxiny: why aren't you in #d-o ?
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13:51<sysop_>Aaron_; whats happening? it gives an error?
13:52<fxiny>amphi: should i ? i'm planning to redo all steps on saturday or sunday in offtopic wity yoy and enouf
13:52<Aaron_>sysop; i go to burn image it comes up with options but ok is greyed out like it isnt seeing the disc in the drive
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13:52<ncfi1013>can anybody tell me of the simplest way possible to install a graphics driver for an nvidia geforce 6100 gpi graphics card that doesn't screw anything up like having to go into recovery mode to stop using the driver and getting a b.s.o.d.?
13:53<sysop_>Aaron_; did you select the image?
13:53<amphi>Aaron_: why are you burning a dvd image, rather than using the netinstall?
13:53<Aaron_>yes..then it comes up with the menu for eject and all that
13:53<Aaron_>amphi: not sure how to do the net install never did it
13:54<sysop_>Aaron_; amphi could be right, the net install gets booted off a cd and is much smaller, and it should give you a more tuned install
13:54<amphi>Aaron_: how do you connect to the internet?
13:54<Aaron_>sysop: ok does that work off wifi?
13:54<sysop_>it did for me
13:54<sysop_>:)
13:54<Aaron_>amphi: broadband 2mbs
13:55<sysop_>Aaron_; what type of wifi card do you have/
13:55<sysop_>?
13:55<amphi>Aaron_: you'd want to connect to your router with an ethernet cable for the install, most likely
13:55<Aaron_>sysop; intel links 5100 N speed
13:55<Aaron_>amphi; i can do that
13:55<amphi>Aaron_: cool; then I'd go with the netinstall
13:55<sysop_>Aaron_; if you can connect via cable do that but I think you might be ok with an intel adapter
13:55<Aaron_>amphi; can you put files on a thumb drive to do net install
13:56<amphi>Aaron_: yes; see the install guide
13:56<amphi>!ig
13:56<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware>
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13:57<substance>hello
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14:00<chealer>!tell ncfi1013 about ngd
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14:01<Aaron_>ampi; i dont see anything about netwrok installing exept tftp wich i cant do
14:02<amphi>Aaron_: you boot the cd/usb stick, and it'll configure the interface by dhcp, if you want, and proceed
14:03<Aaron_>amphi; ok i found the iso but how do you do iso to usb?
14:03<amphi>the ethernet interface, eth0 usually
14:03<amphi>!tell Aaron_ -about ig
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14:04<substance>can anyone help me with a bug on sb600 chpset plz?
14:04<amphi>Aaron_: I've not done an install by usb stick, so I don't know the details
14:04<sysop_>Aaron_; how old is your system?
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14:05<amphi>Aaron_: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en
14:05<Aaron_>sysop_; brand new laptop just got it today
14:05<amphi>Aaron_: heh, what is it?
14:05<amphi>Aaron_: once you've installed, perhaps you can write a guide for linux-laptop.net
14:06<Aaron_>amphi: gateway fx edition gaming laptop
14:06<amphi>it's huge? ;)
14:08<fxiny>gaming laptop ? you'll be shocked by lenny performances , fasten your seat belt :P
14:09*amphi smells nvidia
14:09<amphi>the stench of blobbery
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14:09<Aaron_>amphi; intel dual core 4gig ddr3 320 HD hdmi
14:09<fxiny>Aaron: nail the lap to the desk . get some superglue
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14:14<Aaron_>well i have 2 main computers but figured id mess around with the laptop first
14:14<rio>ddh
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14:15<rio>tdh
14:15<rio>twt
14:15<rio>tttttttt
14:15<rio>e5y
14:15<slush>rio: try /quit
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14:15<fxiny>silent like a cobra :P
14:16<slush>:)
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14:20<freedomrun>hi
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14:28<erino72>zdravim :)
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14:31<john_>#Xubunut
14:32<erino72>Hovori tu niekto slovensky?
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14:34<erino72>Je tu niekto?
14:34<Tekno>wrong language
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14:34<erino72>aha sry :-D
14:35<erino72>I am from Slovak
14:35<dkr>!sk
14:35<dpkg>rumour has it, sk is Slovakia.
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14:35<Tekno>:/
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14:36<erino72>How to install kernel 2.6.28 without compile?
14:36<pingouin_>running something else thant debian ;)
14:37<Tekno>http://ruohoranta.fi/files/linux-image-2.6.28.7-eee900-001.deb
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14:37<Tekno>thats for eeepc 700/900 though
14:37<pingouin_>obviously....
14:37<erino72>this is stable version?
14:38<pingouin_>erino72: build your own, if you can't have a kernel build by debian or backports debian, you can't trust or at your own risks
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14:40<erino72>i want newest kernel because i have intel wifi link 5100, it is not supported :( and i want ext4 file system :)
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14:41<pingouin_>erino72: maybe you can build only the wifi driver in module, for the ext4 i dont know
14:42<pingouin_>erino72: but,as i said, learn how to build you own, or wait for 'safe' source like debian offer one, other way, i'll not trust
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14:44<M27>hi
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14:44<erino72>You can how to build the wifi driver in module?
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14:57<Skyforger>good night everyone ..
14:57<agnitio>Hi there, I just installed lenny and I'm having some issues with my wireless (iwl3945)
14:57<agnitio>dmesg says the RF kill switch is active
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14:58<agnitio>but I don't have a proper HW kill switch, only an ACPI (or something) one..
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15:01<erino72>bye
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15:01<agnitio>is there a way to disable the kill switch through software?
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15:05<plsd>Hi, I'm using Debian 5.0 and Intel G33 graphics chipset. X crashed a few hours ago and I had to restart the computer to get it working again, startx didn't do it. My friend had the exact same thing happen to him 10-15 minutes later, he also uses Debian 5.0 and Intel G33. Should I perhaps file a bug report or something, anyone else experienced this just now? Seems like a weird coincidence.
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15:08<Astero1D>Can I install packages without debian repositories (example Evince Document Viewer)
15:10<@Ganneff>dpkg -i file.deb
15:10<dpkg>package file.deb is already installed
15:14<Astero1D>ok, dpkg isnt very clear to me regarding backports and installing one
15:14<Astero1D>What exactly do I do to get never version of a cerain application? example: Evince document viewer
15:14<cahoot>agnitio: what happens if you unload/reload iwl3945?
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15:16<Astero1D>How do I check if package has been backported?
15:17<agnitio>cahoot: not much I'm afraid.. still says the hw kill switch is active
15:17<dr|z3d>Astero1D: Open synaptic and select the repostiry to constrain results to. There's probably a command line option also.
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15:18<cahoot>agnitio: no key combo like Fn-F2 to toggle killswitch?
15:18<Astero1D>dr|z3d, in synaptic there only is Evince 2.22 and I need 2.24
15:18<agnitio>cahoot: yes, that should do it, but unfortunately nothing happens
15:19<Astero1D>dr|z3d, 2.24 saves filled forms in PDFs...
15:20<agnitio>another strange thing is that "ifconfig wlan0" displays info, but "ifconfig wlan0 up" says that the device does not exist
15:20<dr|z3d>Try locating the .deb elsewhere, perhaps.
15:21<Astero1D>dr|z3d, it's in experimental, ho do I install packages from experimental?
15:21<cahoot>agnitio: grep -i kill /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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15:22<dr|z3d>Astero1D: Add the experimental repository to your sources. You can do that from Synaptic.
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15:22<Astero1D>I ususally use apt-get and etc/sourses
15:22<Astero1D>can I just add a line like "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian experimental main"
15:22<Astero1D>will it not conflict with other sourses?
15:24<agnitio>cahoot: that displays a few kernel options related to the rfkill-subsystem, what do I want it to look like?
15:24<cahoot>agnitio: marked as enabled?
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15:25<cahoot>like CONFIG_IWL3945_RFKILL=m?
15:26<agnitio>CONFIG_IWL3945_RFKILL=y
15:26<agnitio>but CONFIG_RFKILL=m
15:26<agnitio>no sorry, that's CONFIG_IWLWIFI_RFKILL=y
15:26<agnitio>nothing about 3945
15:26<Astero1D>I added experimental sources to my sourses list but Evince still will not update to never version
15:27<cahoot>agnitio: not possible to unload then
15:27<agnitio>well no rfkill module was loaded before at all, i tried loading them but the acpi switch still won't work
15:27<Astero1D>how else can I upgrade an application>
15:28<cahoot>agnitio: my t61 uses iwl3945 and I've never had these problems - but I use homecooked kernels
15:28<agnitio>I never had issues on my previous distro either, it's strange
15:28<Astero1D>dr|z3d, I added experimental source to my sources list, apt-update and apt-get install evince, but it still telll me I have latest version
15:28<cahoot>(with iwl*rfkill disabled
15:28<agnitio>would be a shame if this is simple issue is a showstopper for debian..
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15:30<leanne>agnito, have you checked to see if the firmware is installed for your wireless card?
15:31<agnitio>leanne: yes, it was not at first, but I installed the firmware-iwlwifi (i think that's what it was called) package
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15:31<leanne>ah ok, that's usually the problem I have with mine
15:31<agnitio>well, thank you for the suggestion! I appreciate all help
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15:36<plsd>I reported a bug and now someone wants a backtrace, I installed rhythmbox-dbg but don't know what to do now, could someone guide me through this?
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15:37<Stephim>Bonsoir.. !! Je n'arrive pas à déplacer un répertoire en passant par la ligne de commande.. j'utilise la commande "mv" mais je ne trouve pas d'options permettant de déplacer un repertoire.. si vous aviez une astuce ?
15:38<dr|z3d>!fr
15:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
15:38<themill>judd, kconfig 3945
15:38<judd>themill: Searching for '3945' in lenny kernel config gives IWL3945=m IWL3945_SPECTRUM_MEASUREMENT=y IWL3945_LEDS=y IWL3945_DEBUG=n.
15:38<Stephim>Opps sorry wrong channel
15:38<themill>agnitio, cahoot: ^^ perhaps of use to see what's already there.
15:39<themill>agnitio, cahoot: "/msg judd help kconfig" for information
15:39<cahoot>nice
15:39<Stephim>Hi all.. how to move a folder using the "mv" command ? I didn't find any options with the "mv" command to move a folder
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15:41<cahoot>themill: seems it missed CONFIG_IWL3945_RFKILL=y in kconfig though (according to agnitios grep on config)
15:41<Astero1D>great, now I have a broken package
15:41<Astero1D>which Ic ant remove cos it removes gnome with it
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15:42<themill>cahoot: that's not an option in 2.6.26.
15:42<themill>judd, kconfig 3945 --release trunk
15:42<judd>themill: Searching for '3945' in trunk kernel config gives IWL3945=m IWL3945_RFKILL=y IWL3945_SPECTRUM_MEASUREMENT=y IWL3945_LEDS=y IWL3945_DEBUG=n.
15:43<themill>judd kernels
15:43<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
15:43<themill>cahoot: "--release trunk" uses the kernel team's latest baby
15:43<cahoot>themill: right - my mistake
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15:43<agnitio>judd, kconfig 3945 --release lenny
15:43<judd>agnitio: Searching for '3945' in lenny kernel config gives IWL3945=m IWL3945_SPECTRUM_MEASUREMENT=y IWL3945_LEDS=y IWL3945_DEBUG=n.
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15:44<cahoot>agnitio: so the showstopper was never present in lenny
15:44<Astero1D>Can someone help me resolve this please
15:44<agnitio>cahoot: but I'm running lenny
15:45<agnitio>I just installed it
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15:45<darsie>Hi! I can't find chatzilla, the IRC plugin for mozilla.
15:45<Astero1D>I have a broken package that I need removed, but it gives me errors
15:45<cahoot>agnitio: what does uname -r report?
15:45<themill>Astero1D: gnome is only a metapackage. removing it is not necessarily a problem
15:45<Sheepa_>can you somehow start to listen to an additional ip on an interface without interruptions?
15:45<agnitio>cahoot: 2.6.26-1-686
15:45<agnitio>judd, kconfig rfkill --release lenny
15:45<judd>agnitio: Searching for 'rfkill' in lenny kernel config gives no results.
15:46<Astero1D>themill, basically i installed evince 2.24 by a downlaoded deb package and not it's a broken package
15:46<themill>kconfig RFKILL --release lenny
15:46<themill>judd kconfig RFKILL --release lenny
15:46<judd>themill: Searching for 'RFKILL' in lenny kernel config gives RFKILL=m RFKILL_INPUT=m RFKILL_LEDS=y IWLWIFI_RFKILL=y B43_RFKILL=y B43LEGACY_RFKILL=y RT2X00_LIB_RFKILL=y RT2400PCI_RFKILL=y RT2500PCI_RFKILL=y RT61PCI_RFKILL=y.
15:46<Astero1D>themill, and I dont want to remove gnome desktop environment
15:46*themill contemplates making that a case-insensitive match
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15:46<Astero1D>synaptic suggests it will be removed
15:46<Astero1D>if I remove evince
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15:47<agnitio>themill: so what can I do about it? do I need to compile my own kernel?
15:47<themill>Astero1D: try forcing it to install a particular version. aptitude install evince=version
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15:48<themill>agnitio: shouldn't be necessary... iwl3945 works very nicely in lenny. I'm using it now.
15:48<paixao>Hi all!
15:48<paixao>I'm using debian distro on EEEPC900 and I cannot use Internet (neither atl0 neither wifi)
15:48<paixao>Can someone help me editing /etc/apt/source.list ?
15:48<agnitio>do you have a physical hardware rf kill switch?
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15:48<themill>agnitio: no, Fn+F2.
15:49<agnitio>strange, must be some implementation difference
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15:49<themill>agnitio: have you tried "modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945" and combinations of toggle the rfkill before during and after that?
15:50<Astero1D>themill, it's removing gnome and everything
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15:50<Astero1D>shlt...
15:50<Astero1D>I ctrl + C ed
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15:51<ranix>^C?!
15:52<Astero1D>themill, please can you have a look at http://paste.debian.net/29326/
15:52<ranix>!dri
15:52<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok
15:52<Astero1D>I think I removeda bunch of stuff
15:53<themill>Astero1D: what release are you supposed tobe running?
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15:53<Astero1D>I have lenny
15:53<Astero1D>and I installed experimental 2.24 evince package, but it was broken
15:53<themill>Astero1D: try "aptitude install gnome evince=2.22.2-4~lenny1"
15:53<Astero1D>so i tried to remove it but now I got into this mess
15:53<themill>dpkg: tell Astero1D about experimental
15:54<Astero1D>themill, it's removing stuff again
15:54<agnitio>themill: unfortunately no reaction at all
15:55<themill>agnitio: what's the pci-id of this beast? (lspci -nn)
15:55<Astero1D>it's removing stuff as i speak, even gnome appletts, everything
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15:56<agnitio>themill: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02)
15:56<jpinx>Astero1D: you'll find aptitude better at looking after your packages and their dependencies
15:56<themill>judd pciid 8086:4222
15:56<judd>themill: [8086:4222] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwl3945' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=8086:4222
15:57<Astero1D>evince
15:57<themill>agnitio: yeah, that shouldn't be a problem.
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15:57<Astero1D>themill, so now I have no more apps and no gnome?
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15:57<agnitio>themill: actual circumstanses begs to differ ;)
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15:58<Astero1D>themill, all the gnome stuff is gone
15:58<themill>Astero1D: sorry.... I really don't have the time and energy to pick through problems with a lenny/expt mix at the moment. Perhaps others will.
15:58<Astero1D>themill, ok, but the command you gave me deletedall of gnome stuff
15:58<Astero1D>how do i get it back?
15:58<betzer>HI I DID`NT USE XBUNT
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15:59<themill>agnitio: quite. I've very occasionally had a confused rfkill switch but that's always been fixed by a module reload. NFC then.
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15:59<themill>Astero1D: shouldn't have unless there are other things you haven't told us about how you added experimental and installed evince
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16:00<Astero1D>themill, I dont have anything to hide... here's what happened: http://paste.debian.net/29327/
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16:01<themill>that output is quite useless
16:01<themill>remove experimental from your sources.list and aptitude install gnome should get you back
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16:02<Astero1D>themill, experimental is commented out in sources
16:03<Astero1D>themill, it gave me this when I aptitude install gnome
16:03<Astero1D>http://paste.debian.net/29328/
16:03<plsd>Hi, I'm using Debian 5.0 and Intel G33 graphics chipset. X crashed a few hours ago and I had to restart the computer to get it working again, startx didn't do it. My friend had the exact same thing happen to him 10-15 minutes later, he also uses Debian 5.0 and Intel G33. Should I perhaps file a bug report or something, anyone else experienced this just now? Seems like a weird coincidence.
16:03<Aaron_>I finally got debian installed on my pc..can someone help me get my Wifi card to work
16:04<agnitio>I'll try some rebooting and stuff, thanks for your help everyone!
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16:08<leanne>what wireless card have you got aaron?
16:08<Aaron_>Intel wifi link 5100
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16:10<paixao>Hey, please.
16:10<paixao>I install debian distro in my EEEPC900 and cannot make the ethernet neither wiki works
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16:10<paixao>Can someone help me to configure it?
16:10<blarson>!tell Aaron_ about iwl5100
16:10<amphi>Aaron_: cool, well done ;)
16:11<Aaron_>amphi; TY found a very easy program that installs thru windows then reboots and does it thru internet lol
16:11<amphi>goodbye-microsoft.com ?
16:11<Aaron_>amphi...yup
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16:12<amphi>heh
16:12<Aaron_>is that bad?
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16:14<amphi>Aaron_: not in the least
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16:15<Aaron_>amphi; cool..now i just gotta learn how to install stuff LOL
16:15<amphi>Aaron_: you're the first person I've been aware of to use it
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16:15<amphi>aptitude install whatever
16:15<amphi>'aptitude search something' to look for available packages related to 'something'
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16:16<Aaron_>lol i have no idea what that is..like i said earlier im totatlly new to linux
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16:17<ansi_dot>i'm trying to remaster a live cd and i need to be able to create an iso out of the contents of a directory
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16:17<ml>Aaron_: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html
16:18<tcsetattr>ansi_dot, that's what genisoimage (formerly mkisofs) does
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16:19<ansi_dot>tcsetattr: thx
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16:20<ml>and http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude?
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16:23<Aaron_>ml; ty i understand that now..however i DL firefox but can seem to find it...using aptitude and / to search it didnt find it
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16:25<ml>iceweasel = firefox
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16:26<Aaron_>ahh ok
16:26<ml>http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel?
16:27<ml>the debian wiki has lots of info
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16:27<ml>good resource of info
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16:27<Aaron_>Ty kindly i will read it over
16:28<ml>np and the debian forums
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16:28<Aaron_>i have a ton to learn..seems like getting my wifi to work will be hard
16:28<ml>http://forums.debian.net/index.php
16:28<ml>I don't use wifi or I would help
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16:29<ml>take a look at the wiki and forums
16:29<ml>you can also ask here... someone might able to help you
16:30<Aaron_>i did...he sent me to the wiki on my card
16:30<Aaron_>hence alot of work ol
16:30<Aaron_>lol
16:30<ml>heh
16:30<ml>good that way you learn your new OS
16:30<ml>i think anyways
16:30<Aaron_>yup
16:31<ml>gl any other questions?
16:31<ml>i might be able to help
16:31<Aaron_>oh im sure ill have tons..but trying to update video drivers
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16:32<ml>videocard?
16:32<Aaron_>nvidia 9800m gts
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16:32<Aaron_>i got the driver from nvidia but aptitude cant find it
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16:33<Aaron_>do packages have to be in a certain folder?
16:33<ml>install the ones in aptitude
16:34<ml>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
16:34<ml>read and follow those instructions
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16:37<ml>try the free drivers and if you see slow video performance, ude the non-free drivers
16:37<ml>*use
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16:39<Aaron_>lol im already lost i got alot of learning to do
16:40<ml>yes read till u understand... but it's not that hard gl
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16:43<yrc>On etchnhalf 2.6.24 where do I find usbmon? modprobe usbmon yields 'not found'.
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16:47<tcsetattr>perhaps Debian kernels just don't have usbmon
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16:48<yrc>Really... Hmm, is there another way to debug usb interface on Debian?
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16:50<tcsetattr>compile a kernel.
16:50<adama>dmesg?
16:50<tcsetattr>this does qualify as a kernel-hacking type of tool, right?
16:51<tcsetattr>although, the doc says it's analogous to tcpdump. if that's true it's not too kernel-hackerish
16:52<yrc>Perhaps hacking-ish. Not sure. This would have been my first time using it. As for dmesg it's not detailed enough, I need to see the messages. You are probably right about recompiling kernel, unfortunately. I'll dig through google a little more first. Thanks.
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16:53<tcsetattr>I see Bug#510447 is a request for usbmon to be added to Debian
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16:54<tcsetattr>that bug is referring to the userspace component, not the kernel module, but you can assume when one is added the other will come along shortly
16:55<sandra># unplug
16:57<yrc>Thanks. That was informative. I guess I shouldn't have skipped past those bug track entries! :)
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16:58<Sheepa__>what is better; ip addr add OR eth0:1 ?
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17:00<tcsetattr>yrc, also #506628 says that usbmon.ko is not present on amd64 because it's built into the main kernel image.
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17:03<yrc>tcsetattr: I just saw the same post and returned to mention it... And indeed it looks like I'm indeed using an amd64 build. Argh.
17:04<tcsetattr>so all you need is to forget the modprobe and just start usbmon'ing already
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17:06<ma_x_158>Someone want to answer to a little question
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17:06<yrc>tcsetattr: I feel really slow on the uptake here. I read too fast and didn't catch "built in". Wild mood swing: happy. Thanks for spelling it out.
17:06<InkBottle>can I boot netint from a hard disk?
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17:09<blarson>InkBottle: if you mean netinst, it should work
17:13<InkBottle>blarson: I don't find how
17:13<InkBottle>"This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk."
17:15<InkBottle>maybe I found
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17:16<InkBottle>This section explains how to add to or even replace an existing linux installation using either LILO or GRUB.
17:16<InkBottle>but it's almost empty
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17:19<InkBottle>I found. If I could have advices before jumping...
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17:22<ma_x_158>How to know which video driver is load?
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17:24<adama>ma_x_158: should say in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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17:25<tcsetattr>here's another idea: fuser /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/*
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17:26<ma_x_158>thanks, but I have another question
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17:28<ma_x_158>/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i810_drv.so: 3198m
17:28<ma_x_158>/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so: 3198m, this is my driver, but i'am not able to play with cedega, I know it's not better card to play
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17:46<valdyn>ma_x_158: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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18:26<leanne>does anyone know how to mount an mp3 player in lenny? I have a Sony NWZ-A729 and although it shows up in konsole when I type lsusb, I can't mount it
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18:28<amphi>leanne: does syslog mention anything about a block device when you plug it in? being sony, I rather doubt it
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18:28<leanne>no
18:28<leanne>nothing shows up when I plug it in
18:29<amphi>I have no idea - I only consider players that manifest as usb block devices
18:29<boris_>amphi: don't say that, i have a sonu walkman that acts like an usb mass storage device
18:29<boris_>*sony
18:29<amphi>rejoice! but sony are quite notorious for proprietary crap, I believe
18:29<leanne>no, the only normal thing it does is recharge when I plug it in
18:30<boris_>leanne: plug it in and give as the output of dmesg | tail
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18:32<leanne>[ 502.727880] usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
18:32<leanne>[ 502.862511] usb 5-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
18:32<leanne>[ 502.865971] usb 5-7: New USB device found, idVendor=054c, idProduct=035c
18:32<leanne>[ 502.865980] usb 5-7: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
18:32<leanne>[ 502.865986] usb 5-7: Product: WALKMAN
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18:32<boris_>oh, come on
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18:33<amphi>!tell leanne -about paste
18:33<gkahla>i've got my bluetooth dongle installed and recognized, but the bluetooth-applet has no available services - any ideas on a good how-to add them?
18:34<gkahla>freshly installed lenny 500
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19:07<umberto>hi
19:07<umberto>somebody there?
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19:07<umberto>hi
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19:24<Alcap>hey there
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19:24<Alcap>can anyone tell me the current version of kde in squeeze?
19:24<Alcap>and X.org btw
19:24<Alcap>I've been to packages.debian.org and couldn't find anything...
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19:25<Alcap>I found the packages but not their versions
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19:25<Sheepa__>what does contrib in apt/sources mean?
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19:26<bator>hey can anyone give me exact response to this command in console: ping -q -c 4 -n www.google.com
19:27<bator>i dont have any linux machine nearby and have to write it for homework :\
19:27<Sheepa__>PING www.l.google.com (209.85.135.147) 56(84) bytes of data.
19:27<Sheepa__>--- www.l.google.com ping statistics ---
19:27<Sheepa__>4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3009ms
19:27<Sheepa__>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 36.958/37.461/38.747/0.758 ms
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19:28<amphi>heh
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19:28<bator>lol
19:28<bator>thanks for help Sheepa__
19:28<amphi>that'll larn ye to do other people's homework
19:28<Sheepa__>hah
19:28<bator>:))
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19:43<sergio>boa noite a todos
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19:47<Gun_Smoke>Do I under stand rdiff-backup correctly.. If I have file foo and it is pulled in as a backup, then a week later I delete foo because it's no longer needed. So a month later when I do --remove-older-than 2W will all presents of foo be gone for good?
19:47<bouer> hello, When using vim and others app I get this message Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key - i use debian lenny help, for this problem!
19:47<Gun_Smoke>Boy that was horribly worded.. haha..
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19:49<person>Hello
19:50<person>Why is dekorator not showing any window border?
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19:57<sergio_>ola...algum brasileiro?
19:57<sergio_>hi...any body from Brasil?
19:57<Tekno>!br
19:57<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:57<sergio_>thanks
19:58<BlueG>where do the kopete configuration files go on Debian? Shouldn't I be able to copy the config directory (~kde/share/apps/kopete) from another distro to restore my contacts, logs, etc?
19:59<BlueG>I would guess ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete, but that doesn't seem to work
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20:03<person>dekorator isn't showing a window border. What can I do?
20:03<amphi>is a decorator running?
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20:05<themill>BlueG: ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc
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20:06<BlueG>themill: wouldn't that apply to all users? I am thinking of the personal settings, like your accounts, contacts, and logs
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20:07<themill>BlueG: accounts are set in that file while logs and contacts are in the directory you have already identified
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20:07<BlueG>themill: ohhh, that explains it...
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20:10<person>amphi: I can;t see it with ps
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20:17<Astero1D>what is the utility in gnome to erase rewritable cd, or write iso to cd?
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20:20<blarson>Astero1D: wodim is the command line tool.
20:21<Astero1D>blarson, how do I check what is the name of my cdrom device?
20:21<Astero1D>is it /dev/cdrom?
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20:22<blarson>Astero1D: wodim --scanbus
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20:23<Astero1D>blarson, wodim: No such file or directory.
20:23<Astero1D>Cannot open SCSI driver!
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20:24<Astero1D>there are no gui tools?
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20:26<thehardman>ne1 good with jre problems?
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20:26<thehardman>or jvm problems
20:26<person>Whoa, where did emerald go?
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20:30<Astero1D>I need to get netinstall small cd, is debian-500-i386-netinst.iso the right image for lenny>
20:30<Astero1D>?
20:30<chealer>Astero1D: GnomeBaker
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20:33<Astero1D>chealer, am I grabing the right image though>
20:33<Astero1D>is it lenny?
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20:34<chealer>Astero1D: yes, assuming you're on x86
20:34<Astero1D>chealer, ok thanks.
20:35<Astero1D>I have one question. I installed Lenny while it was still testing. Do I need to run upgrade now? or any other types of updating?
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20:42<foxes>how to change the /var name with mv?
20:42<foxes>i try: mv var var.back , but it said that the device is busy
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20:44<blarson>foxes: Is it a mounted partition?
20:45<foxes>/dev/sda6 2.8G 1.5G 1.3G 54% /var
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20:46<blarson>foxes: For a system partion like /var, you could edit /etc/fstab then reboot.
20:47<foxes>blarson, ok, i try it.
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20:48<chealer>Astero1D: you constantly need to update, in particular while you're running testing
20:48<chealer>Astero1D: oh. with apt-get, dist-upgrade is what you should do
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20:49<simonrvn>foxes: do it as single user, less headaches
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20:49<Astero1D>chealer, even though I have lenny I need to still do dist-upgrade?
20:49<foxes>simonrvn, i am going to reboot.
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20:50<simonrvn>why?
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20:53<Astero1D>I need to install evince 2.24 which is in experimental, but when i download the .deb package and run dpkg -i packagename.deb, it installs but becomes a broken package. How can I install this package properly? I basically need evince 2.24
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20:59<wb>All was sleep?ha
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21:00<wb>if i want be a hack not creaker what i would learn?
21:00<kabarsedge>Astero1D: is evince not in the repository?
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21:02<flokidoki>is there a tool that is similar to ms-dos' debug command on linux? does gdb do the same job? if it does how?
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21:03<Astero1D>kabarsedge, it is but it's version 2.22
21:03<Astero1D>I need 2.24
21:04<Astero1D>How do I unrar a movie file that's split into multiple rar files?
21:04<wb>Linux is too beautiful i love it,ha.
21:04<kabarsedge>you realize that you are going to have all types of issues unless you build from source
21:05<Astero1D>kabarsedge, ok, I will try to build from source
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21:06<Astero1D>does anyone know how to unrar multiple rar files? (split files)
21:06<rickbot>2.24.1-1 0 is in experimental
21:06<colin_>hello, i just installed Debian (2.6.18-6-686) on a Dell Poweredge 2550 server, but it looks like I nor the system can control the fan speeds of the machine, does anyone have any solutions for this?
21:09<colin_>i already installed 'Dell OpenManage Server Administrator' but this only displays the system health and does not control it
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21:11<Artanis>I dont suppose anyones not busy and wants to give me a hand with DNS issues? :P
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21:19<enouf>not without details, no
21:19<Artanis>better to ask first than spam dns entries ;P
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21:29<saki>evening chaps
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21:29<Artanis>oh hai ;)
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22:16<foxes>I am back
22:17<foxes>how to increase my spaces in / ?
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22:20<kriebel>I would like to use a USB flash drive for /boot to let me devote all of my hard disks to LVM
22:20<kriebel>can someone link me to more helpful instructions; I'm running into nothing but Puppy HOWTOs
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22:22<foxes>kriebel, google it first?
22:23<kriebel>yes, with limited success
22:23<kriebel>I thought my second statement made that clear
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22:24<ansi_dot>hey. where is the danger in running macros? as in openoffice macros. just how much damage could a malicious party cause with one?
22:25<kriebel>http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian is kinda what I want
22:25<foxes>keywords with "how to install debian with lvm " in google? kriebel
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22:27<kriebel>ansi_dot: I'm pretty sure OOo isn't as stupid as MS office which used to let a document install macros in the default template
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22:28<ansi_dot>no. it's a macro i found online and ran in ooo.
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22:29<kriebel>foxes: thanks. #1 problem in Linux hacking: being able to take a step back and attack the correct problem
22:29<kriebel>instead of working on pre-concieved notions
22:29<kriebel>ansi_dot: it seems your terrible macro virus has the ability to bounce you off IRC :-p
22:29<foxes>:)
22:30<kriebel>unfortunately, simplest way to say that is: what you want is wrong
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22:38<damentz>hello everyone
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22:39<rickbot>hi damentz
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23:05<lili>Any buddy working on emmbeded System???y
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23:26<Astero1D>Does anyone know how to move files in transmission torrent and have it coninue downlaod to new directory?
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23:30<Lance4>hi
23:30<Lance4>what do I install for wii remote support
23:30<Lance4>?
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23:32<Lance4>I want to try to use one my wii remotes as a mouse
23:32<Lance4>I heard you can do that
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23:33<Lance4>as long you got a sensor bar or something simmular to it, witch I have
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23:34<Gun_Smoke>Lance4, http://tinyurl.com/cf7t2r http://tinyurl.com/askpoh
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23:41<Lance4>ok good
23:41<Lance4>bye
23:41<ansi_dot>is a macro a big thing for me to worry about as far as security and malicious code? a macro for openoffice.
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23:42<ansi_dot>lance vance dance
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23:43<Xenguy>ansi_dot: I don't see why they should be necessary personally - where's the gain?
23:43<ansi_dot>the gain in what?
23:43<Xenguy>ansi_dot: why use a macro at all?
23:44<ansi_dot>a macro i found online to DRAW (ooo) something that i could not
23:45<Xenguy>ansi_dot: I see - can't advise about that -- I just avoid macros, and then I don't have to worry about security on that front ;-)
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