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00:07<blackbyte>hi !!
00:07<blackbyte>talking spanish in this channel?
00:07<stew>!es
00:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:08<blackbyte>ajaaja thanks !!
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00:12<snogglethorpe>so effecient!
00:12<snogglethorpe>efficient
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00:14<coniptor>I'm running etch. If I run cryptsetup create and tell it to use sha256 for the hash it winds up being sha1. cryptsetup is not linked against libgcrypt. Does lenny suffer from this as well?
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00:51<spande>I am trying to figure out if my inbuilt broadcom bcm4312 wifi is pci or usb. lspci shows a broadcom network controller. lsusb shows various broadcom devices. Is it pci? Does that mean lenny netinstall can work over it?
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00:52<spande>and is b43 the module for it?
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00:59<dmoerner>spande: b43 is the module. it is pci. lenny probably cannot install over it. the usb devices are probably bluetooth devices
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01:07<spande>dmoerner : thanks
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01:13<Gun_Smoke>oh I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong here.. I'm trying to install the new knoppix to a thumb. I have 2 partitions on it, /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 sdb1 has been flagged boot. Now when I mount /dev/sdb1 to /mnt and do grub-install --root-directory=/mnt --no-floppy '(hd0)' I get grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. Check your device.map.
01:14<craigevil>!knoppix
01:14<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
01:14<Gun_Smoke>Is it me or lenny mucking this up.. thanks craigevil
01:14<Gun_Smoke>I'd happly install knoppix to a thumb from knoppix.?
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01:26<ertz>WARNING: This will destroy all data on any partitions you have removed as
01:26<ertz>well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted.
01:27<ertz>Does that mean my C data and windows
01:27<ertz>is gona be lost also
01:27<ertz>?
01:28<Gun_Smoke>if it's in the way yes
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01:29<ertz>yeah, but when i was installing it, i gave 10GB from install panel and it took it from C
01:29<ertz>why should it efect or be in the way with C partition
01:29<ertz>how can i avoid it
01:29<ertz>?
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01:31<vinicius>no matter what i do, gimp dont appear on gnome graphics menu
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01:33<Gun_Smoke>vinicius, what have you tried? right click applications and edit menus.. find GIMP there and make sure there is a check in the box..
01:34<coniptor>I'm running etch. If I run cryptsetup create and tell it to use sha256 for the hash it winds up being sha1. cryptsetup is not linked against libgcrypt. Does lenny suffer from this as well?
01:35<Gun_Smoke>If it doesn't seem to be there create a new item.. type application with the command gimp-2.4 %U and decide what you want the rest to say
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01:36<Gun_Smoke>vinicius, ^
01:37*squeegee looks around for dpkg
01:37<tcsetattr>coniptor, if you give a sample cryptsetup command I could try it out for you on lenny
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01:39<coniptor>tcsetattr: dd if=/dev/zero of=./test1 bs=256 count=1 ; losetup /dev/loop1 ./test1 ; cryptsetup --verify-passphrase --cipher aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 --hash sha256 --key-size 256 create test1 /dev/loop1 ; cryptsetup luksDump /dev/loop1
01:41<coniptor>tcsetattr: ty. looking to see what Hash spec: says whether sha1 or sha256.
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01:42<tcsetattr>Command failed: /dev/loop7 is not a LUKS partition
01:43<tcsetattr>you didn't specify any luks stuff in the create command...
01:43<tcsetattr>(I used /dev/loop7 for testing because I have some other loop devices in use already)
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01:44<coniptor>tcsetattr: how do you mean? It worked for me except that I get sha1 and not sha256 I didn't specify a passphrase but figured you would.
01:44<coniptor>tcsetattr: I figured you would use another if you were using some loop devices already.
01:45<tcsetattr>I think you are getting bogus results because you are querying a luks header that you didn't write with your cryptsetup command. (maybe there's one left over from earlier)
01:45<tcsetattr>try running "cryptsetup status test1".
01:45<coniptor>tsetattr: Maybe, I'm new to LUKS dm-crypt
01:45<coniptor>tcsetattr: ok
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01:46<coniptor>tcsetattr: only gives cipher and keysize but not hash
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01:47<tcsetattr>I've never attempted to use LUKS before, although I have used cryptsetup
01:48<tcsetattr>my hunch is that if you want luksDump to work, you should be creating with luksFormat instead of just "create".
01:48<coniptor>tcsetattr: As I understand it cryptsetup creates luks containers by default If you have a url to a site that details differences I would appreciate it.
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01:49<coniptor>tcsetattr: I did use luksFormat before create when I checked the man page for cryptsetup and saw that create takes options for hash but luksFormat apparently does not
01:50<tcsetattr>could be just a slight omission in the man page
01:52<coniptor>tcsetattr: When I used luksFormat it used sha1 for the hash It shows aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 for the cipher and sha1 for the hash. Also if you know. Which is supposed to be the default key size. I have read 128 in some places and 256 in others. I can boot my cryptroot with debian's kernel 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem from apt repo but my custom kernels all say I don't have aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 support when I do and have dm-crypt aes sha256 modules loaded.
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01:53<coniptor>tcsetattr: Might be an omission but I did run it as this before: cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -h sha256 -s 256 luksFormat /dev/loop1 and luksDump showed the hash as sha1 right after. Then I tried create to see if it was any different and it was not.
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01:54<tcsetattr>I did your command again with luksFormat instead of create, and I have some inconsistent result
01:54<syntax>anyone here speak fluent spanish? I need something translated for me... off topic
01:54<coniptor>tcsetattr: meaning it shows sha1 instead of sha256 instead?
01:54<tcsetattr>it does say Hash spec: sha1
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01:55<coniptor>tcsetattr: so I wonder is it supposed to or should it be saying sha256. I'm not sure if there is a more appropriate channel to ask that in. But at least I know that lenny does this too.
01:56<coniptor>tcsetattr: Can you run another luksFormat without specifying the cipher hash or size and tell me what it defaults to for cipher hash and size as well?
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01:57<tcsetattr>I believe you're correct, luksFormat ignores the --hash option. I'm looking at source code to see why
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01:57<coniptor>tcsetattr: ok
01:57<coniptor>ty
01:57<coniptor>I can read some source but don't program so can't follow everything.
01:57<tcsetattr>by the way, about libgcrypt: it's linked statically, because cryptsetup is on the root partition and libgcrypt.so is in /usr
01:58<coniptor>tcsetattr: even if linked statically shouldn't it show up if I do ldd /sbin/cryptsetup?
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01:58<tcsetattr>in case your /usr is crypted, you'd have a chicken/egg problem :)
01:58<tcsetattr>no, ldd only shows dynamic libs.
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01:59<coniptor>tcsetattr: is there a similar command to list statically linked libraries?
01:59<toaster>so. what's to stop someone from mounting my filesystem while i'm at church and installing a hacked bash or login script or something that will capture my passes and upload them somewhere?
02:00<coniptor>tcsetattr: my root is encrypted. I meant for it to be aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 keysize 256 but it defauted to key size 128 instead. this is on a raid1 I recently moved to from ide so I can still rsync back to ide and retry and get the luks layout I want just minus sha256 for the hash apparently
02:03<tcsetattr>well, I'm stumped, that code is too convoluted to just skim over and understand. cryptsetup luksFormat doesn't accept hash option; could be a bug
02:03<coniptor>toaster: bios password, luks or dm-crypt encrypted root, selinux. lock your system down. never any guarantees you just employ as many security measures as you can and running ossec, samhain, tripwire or anything similar to be notified if files change or their time stamps change and knowing and keeping track of your changes that will cause file time changes and knowing when something has changed that you did not do your self.
02:03<tcsetattr>toaster, the 2 things that stop someone from mounting your filesystem when you're not around are 1. physical security of your hard drive, or 2. use cryptsetup like we do :)
02:04<coniptor>tcsetattr: ok, well ty for checking. I guess I'll have to make due and join the maiing list once I figure out where it is and ask.
02:04<toaster>sorry. i got ahead of myself
02:04<toaster>forgot system files are inside the root fs
02:04<toaster>nm
02:05<toaster>so which one tells me of changes in timestamps?
02:05<coniptor>ossec and samhain do as does tripwire
02:05<toaster>if you use cryptsetup what kernel are you running?
02:06<coniptor>ossec is pretty good. samhain recomputes its file hashes after every reboot which I have not determined if there is a way to make it remember them as yet, time and lake there of.
02:06<coniptor>s/lake/lack
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02:06<tcsetattr>cryptsetup can be used with any 2.6 kernel, I think. it's not really new.
02:07<coniptor>tcsetattr: can you run another luksFormat without options and tell me what it defaults to? I'd like to know what key size and cipher lenny's cryptsetup defauts to
02:07<toaster>tcsettr
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02:07<toaster>http://paste.debian.net/29422/
02:07<toaster>this is what happened when i upgraded to 2.6.26
02:07<coniptor>You want a 2.6.10 or newer kernel though. Read /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz
02:08<tcsetattr>is "MK bits" the key size?
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02:08<coniptor>tcsetattr: I believe so, yes.
02:08<toaster>what?
02:08<toaster>oh
02:08<tcsetattr>"MK iterations" looks important too.
02:09<tcsetattr>I got this: Cipher mode: cbc-essiv:sha256 Hash spec: sha1 Payload offset: 1032 MK bits: 128 MK iterations: 10
02:09<coniptor>tcsetattr: yeah, I imagine so. I wish I could find an intermediate but not expert in depth doc on luks and dm-crypt.
02:09<toaster>when someone gets a chance, i'll be idling. i cant upgrade my kernel, because i get this error whenever i try to boot into the new kernel: http://paste.debian.net/29422/. still works with the old kernel, though.
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02:10<coniptor>toaster: is the new kernel from the debian repo or one you compiled your self?
02:10<coniptor>tcsetattr: so it didn't use aes?
02:11<toaster>coniptor: it came with an aptitude upgrade
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02:12<toaster>from the repos
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02:13<tcsetattr>oh, it said "Cipher name: aes", I just missed that part
02:13<coniptor>toaster: I would cat /proc/modules to a file with your working kernel and then boot the non working one. when it gets to waiting for root file system just wait 35 min and it shoud drop you to a (initramfs) prompt where you can cat /proc/modules for the non working kernel and verify your not missing any modules you need
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02:13<coniptor>tcsetattr: ok ty. so it defaults to 128 in lenny as well then. hrm.
02:14<toaster>is that 35 mins exact?
02:14<coniptor>tcsetattr: your running with an encrypted root?
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02:14<coniptor>toaster: no between 3 and 5 mins maybe less. I did not clock it but zoned out waiting for it my self on my own system.
02:15<toaster>oh, thought you said thirty-five
02:15<coniptor>nope, sorry =)
02:15<toaster>what's the name of the java package for debian
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02:16<coniptor>toaster: sun-java6-jre
02:16<stew>toaster: there are many, "apt-cache showpkg java2-runtime" would list some in the "Reverse Providess" section
02:16<tcsetattr>coniptor, my root isn't encrypted, just my swap and some external-storage things
02:16<Supaplex>hot-cup-of-joe-rc5
02:17<tcsetattr>cryptoroot is too much trouble, as proven by toaster here.
02:17<toaster>never yeard of it
02:17<tcsetattr>toaster, is your crypted root device actually on LVM, or did it get that wrong?
02:18<toaster>tcsetattr: set it up during fresh install
02:18<coniptor>tcsetattr: well reason I ask. I'm trying to compile my own kernel to use with LUKS but when I boot to it I'm told it can't decrypt and to check if I have aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 compiled in. I'm positive I have all the needed modules compiled in yet it does not work. Just curius if yu or anyone else has successfully compiled their own kernel that they were then able to decrypt their LUKS container with.
02:18<toaster>there is an option for using an encrypted lvm
02:20<toaster>sun-java6-jre doesn't appear in my repos
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02:20<coniptor>In researching this all I should need is dm-mod dm-crypt aes sha256 and cbc also the block cipher modujle which I have in my initram disk just no joy as yet
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02:21<coniptor>toaster: apt-cache search java
02:21<coniptor>toaster: might run apt-get update first though
02:21<toaster>that specific package doesn't show up there eithert
02:22<coniptor>toaster: that is a generic search string not a package called java
02:22<toaster>yes. i know. i've been searching for sun-java6-jre. that's what i cant seem to find
02:22<coniptor>toaster: I believe it should have returned something
02:22<toaster>yeah. alot. but not sun-java6-jre
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02:23<coniptor>toaster: maybe not sun's java but at least blackdown or what ever the oss java is
02:23<coniptor>toaster: maybe java5 or not lenny was just released stable so the packages may not have been built yet being non-free and all.
02:23<coniptor>also do you have non-free in your sources.list?
02:24<dcklqzrb>coniptor: new in lenny: openjdk-6-jre
02:24<stew>toaster: sun-java isn't in debian becuase it is non-free, openjdk-6 is the free version
02:24<toaster>is there a difference between using the two? i'd rather go open source if possible
02:25<toaster>or not
02:25<toaster>whatever
02:25<stew>toaster: yes, openjdk-6 will break more often
02:25<coniptor>dcklqzrb: ty I'll have to see if tomcat and opennms will run with it or not.
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02:25<stew>tomcat has run with free jres for years
02:26<coniptor>tcsetattr: ty your help btw
02:26<stew>(or else tomcat wouldn't be in debian)
02:26<ml>toaster add deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main to your sources.list
02:26<ml>then aptitude update
02:26<ml>search again
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02:27<toaster>why testing?
02:27<stew>why debian-multimedia?
02:27<coniptor>stew: wasn't aware I recall tomcat or opennms not working with it but didn't recall which.
02:27<stew>toaster: if you want sun's java, you can get it from debian, its in the non-free repositories
02:27<tcsetattr>coniptor, I've tried to find exactly where that essiv mode is implemented in the kernel. but I can't.
02:27<toaster>stew: i have non-free in my sources.list
02:27<ml>http://www.debian-multimedia.org
02:27<toaster>but i dont see it
02:28<toaster>nm
02:28<stew>judd: versions sun-java6-jre
02:28<judd>stew: sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 sid/non-free: 6-10-2 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-12-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-12-1
02:28<toaster>typo
02:28<ml>toaster: you on lenny?
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02:29<coniptor>tcsetattr: thanks for checking. I found it in dm-crypt.c but it was not very helpful in determining why my custom kernel can not decrypt my cryptroot.
02:30<toaster>coniptor: what kernel?
02:30<toaster>2.6.??
02:30<coniptor>toaster: 2.6.26 from ftp.us.kernel.org custom compiled with make-kpkg
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02:31<unknow>lol
02:31<toaster>and what is the problem?
02:31<unknow>o
02:31<toaster>i missed the first part
02:31<toaster>are you having the same problem i was?
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02:31<toaster>you cant boot into your system with the 2.6.26 kernel?
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02:32<coniptor>toaster: let me put it in debian's pastebin. Ill have to type it out, have it written down.
02:32<coniptor>toaster: my custom kernel boots but when cryptsetup is invoked and asks for my passphrase it can't decrypt my cryptroot
02:33<toaster>i was just saying that earlier. are you stalking me?
02:35<toaster>he is stalking me
02:37<coniptor>toaster: your asking me that?
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02:39<coniptor>Here are two separate copies of my error from two separate kernels I have compiled both 2.6.26 one with luks modules as modules the other with them compiled into the kernel:
02:39<coniptor>http://paste.debian.net/29424/
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02:40<hanthana>i have translated 'debian-installer_packages_po_sublevel1.po'
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02:40<hanthana>how t submit it?
02:40<hanthana>s/t/to
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02:41<Supaplex>Hertes: ask in #debian-boot
02:42<Hertes>Hello world!
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02:44<dcklqzrb>coniptor: cryptsetup partitions needs a minimal size (see your own log:133sectors). could this be the problem?
02:47<dcklqzrb>coniptor: sorry ... but then you would have been informed during creation of partition ...
02:47<coniptor>dcklqzrb: no. Seagate 750Gig sata drive raid1 pair 1gig /boot as md0 8gig swap as md1 and the whole rest of the drive as md2 root
02:47<coniptor>dcklqzrb: right
02:48<coniptor>debian's 2.6.186-686-bigmem and 2.6.26-bpo.1-amd both boot and decrypt it fine.
02:49<coniptor>I would use the config from the 2.6.26 that debian's repo provides (and have) but when I do make-kpkg stops mid way through and prompts me with make config questions even though I have answered everything previously with a make menuconfig.
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02:51<coniptor>need to try the 2.6.26-bpo.1-amd config again but busy trying to get my custom kernel to work.
02:51<toaster>coniptor: bibmem works for you?
02:51<toaster>what are your system specs?
02:52<Supaplex>1.21 jigawatts!
02:53<coniptor>toaster: yes
02:53<coniptor>toaster: however I am not using lvm
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02:53<toaster>wait. 186?
02:53<toaster>what?
02:54<coniptor>toaster: ? 186 what?
02:54<toaster>coniptor> debian's 2.6.186-686-bigmem and 2.6.26-bpo.1-amd
02:55<coniptor>toaster: sorry 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem typo and cheap belkin keyboard.
02:55<coniptor>o l and - have to be hit *Just* right.
02:55<coniptor>sigh
02:55<coniptor>in addition to other keys
02:56<toaster>so the 2.6.26 from backports boots your system, but from what 'current'? does not?
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02:57<coniptor>toaster: my own custom 2.6.26 does not. It boots but I get the error listed at: http://paste.debian.net/29424/
02:57<toaster>what do you mean custom?
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02:57<toaster>what did you change? you are compiling your self?
02:57<dcklqzrb>coniptor: cryptsetup needs modules sha256_* aes_* dm_* ...
02:57<coniptor>one is a device-mapper error 253:2 the other a mdp error 254:8 going by cat /proc/devices
02:58<coniptor>toaster: yes. wget -c ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.26.tar.bz2;cd /usr/src;tar jxvvvf /path/to/...bz2;cd linux-2.6.26;make menuconfig
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02:59<coniptor>then
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02:59<coniptor>make-kpkg clean;make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.`date +%m%d%Y` --revision=1.0 buildpackage
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03:00<coniptor>dcklqzrb: I have them all. on top of that I modified my initramfs/scripts/local-top/cryptroot to ensure they are loaded
03:02<coniptor>I also ran the dpkg-reconfigure command on each linux image I have installed via dpkg
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03:02<toaster>i'm getting an error about my gcc version and it's preventing me from installing my video drivers. http://paste.debian.net/29425/
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03:06<wnd>toaster, if possible, install gcc 4.1 and use that instead
03:06<coniptor>toaster: do you have more than one gcc version installed or did you perform an upgrade after having compiled your kernel source
03:06<dcklqzrb>coniptor: what is in /etc/crypttab? (failed to read from key storage)
03:08<coniptor>dcklqzrb: for cryptroot the options line did just have luks but I have changed it.
03:08<coniptor>#<target name> <source device> <key file> <options>
03:08<coniptor>cryptroot /dev/md2 none luks,cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256,size=128,hash=sha256
03:08<coniptor>cryptswap /dev/md1 cryptroot luks,keyscript=/lib/cryptsetup/scripts/decrypt_derived
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03:08<toaster>stalker
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03:08<coniptor>sorry
03:08<toaster>np
03:08<coniptor>didn't think that woud trip a flood ban
03:08<coniptor>kick rather
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03:09<coniptor>dcklqzrb: I did have size as 256 but noted that luksDump for the device shows 128 not 256. Have yet to test it tonight though
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03:09<coniptor>toaster: stalker? you keep typing that, why?
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03:12<christoz>greetings, i have an old toshiba satelite sa40-231 with intel 852GME integrated graphic card, i was wondering if this small card , can have 3d accelaration on my debian lenny, any ideas?
03:12<coniptor>dcklqzrb: I had 256 because the docs I had read said 256 was the default and not 128.
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03:18<coniptor>I also have added size= in addition to source= to my cryptopts line in grub's menu.lst which I'm going to test to see if that gets my custom kernel to decrypt properly
03:18<DarkSotM>hello?
03:19<DarkSotM>testing123?
03:20<coniptor>hello
03:20<DarkSotM>coniptor: You can hear me?
03:20<coniptor>yes
03:20<coniptor>well
03:20<coniptor>read your comments =)
03:20<coniptor>silent net split?
03:21<coniptor>not sure
03:21<DarkSotM>coniptor: sorry looks like net split to me
03:21<coniptor>yeah
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03:21<coniptor>My client must have filtered the split error messages
03:22<DarkSotM>don't know what causedmine
03:22<coniptor>I'm not sure either
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03:34<dcklqzrb>coniptor: try crypttab options timeout=1 and maybe loud. in grub use rootdelay=10. this may be needed in case of slow load of modules and for decrypt-script at boot time.
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03:38<dcklqzrb>coniptor: sorry, do NOT use timeout=1, i needed it for my decrypt script
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03:38<antec>can someone help me out with setting up lirc? for some reason i dont have an lirc* in /dev/
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03:39<dcklqzrb>coniptor: try rootdelay=10 in grub, it helps me very much.
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03:54<figurate>greetings, how safe is it to run unstable?
03:54<figurate>and what is the difference between experimental and unstable?
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03:55<toaster>quick question
03:56<valdyn>!experimental
03:56<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
03:56<valdyn>!unstable
03:56<dpkg>it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>.
03:57<Obsi>Thanks Valdyn. I was googling for it!
03:57<toaster>if i'm using the command 'update-initramfs -u -k' what do i want to plug into the version field? is it just 2.6.?? or initrd.img-2.6.??
03:57<Obsi>But better to ask the almighty dpkg :)
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04:19<figurate>thanks valdyn
04:19<figurate>!
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04:19<figurate>!experimental
04:19<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
04:19<figurate>!netinst
04:19<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
04:20<figurate>can I do netinst via dvd
04:21<toaster>yes
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04:24<s4br3>Hi, I am trying to add a 2nd hard drive, to my Debian Sid with GRUB2. Could someone please provide a link to a relevant web page? Google just finds pages which are too old or don't work for me. Thanks in advance!
04:24<Supaplex>you're replacing the boot drive?
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04:25<s4br3>Supaplex: no, it will be a /home/user1/hdb
04:26<bahuvrihi>toaster: use -k `uname -r`
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04:26<toaster>what?
04:26<bahuvrihi>update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`
04:27<toaster>is the latest stable kernel in the debian repos?
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04:29<Supaplex>s4br3: what's grub got to do with it? did you run into a problem yet?
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04:30<s4br3>Supaplex: It doesn't find the SATA drive when attach the cable, so I guess I need to edit something
04:30*Supaplex tosses some bread into toaster
04:30<toaster>:/
04:31<toaster>so i booted into ubuntu and i noticed that pdf files had thumbnails. this isn't so in debian/kde. anyone know of a package that would have pdf files show a thumb of the first page?
04:31<toaster>like a video or picture?
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04:33<Supaplex>s4br3: does it prevent the system from booting?
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04:33<s4br3>Supaplex: No, the system works fine. I just need more hd space.
04:33<Supaplex>s4br3: then it's not grub. see /etc/fstab
04:34<s4br3>Supaplex: Thanks, I'll look into it!
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04:39<green>hi
04:39<green>how can i install gimp 2.6 in lenny?
04:40<dirk_>hey. I would like to strip all strange characters(åäö) from a directory -- is there a easy way of doing this? I'm having problems when I move these directorys to my portable mp3 player...
04:40<dirk_>green, apt-get install gimp ?
04:40<green>it is 2.4
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04:41<dirk_>just download and compile it yourself then
04:41<bahuvrihi>add a sid repository into /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get install -t sid gimp
04:41<dirk_>or upgrade to the testing version
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04:41<green>should i take it from testing or sid?
04:42<bahuvrihi>the same
04:43<bahuvrihi>you might need to install gimp's dependancies from squeeze/sid as well -- http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning
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04:45<dirk_>no pointers for my question?
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04:46<green>ok...
04:46<green>but what is this with the priority with 900, 800 -10 ... i don't get this
04:47<bahuvrihi>dirk_ http://wiki.debian.org/ShellTricks#head-c760ff304b2852a5c76515ec3b39294e02eb06c8
04:47<dirk_>bahuvrihi, thanks, thanks
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04:47<bahuvrihi>green: 900 is higher priority that 800, just that
04:48<green>so i could just use 40 and 20?
04:48<bahuvrihi>yes
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04:48<green>so there is no reason why they choose 900?
04:49<Supaplex>green: a hand crafted backport might be more suitable in the long run. possibly less issues next time you upgrade.
04:50<green>but will gimp 2.6 be in lenny backports?
04:50<green>there was no new gimp version in etch backports too
04:50<Supaplex>"hand crafted"
04:51<Supaplex>compile from sid like you normally would, but use uupdate
04:51<Supaplex>!uupdate
04:51<dpkg>uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or eg. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz
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04:51<bahuvrihi>green: apt uses default priorities in hundreds, like 100, 500, etc
04:51<green>ah
04:51<green>i'll take a look
04:52<Supaplex>good luck. some times it's tricky, but you never know until you try it.
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04:55<internat1>out of interest, does anyone know if many applications such as proftpd, postfix, dovecot etc, break if their config files in /etc/ are actually symlinked to another location?
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05:00<petern>generally not
05:00<oliva>hi there ... I have a system running remotely and a disk drive completely empty in it. Is there a way to install debian on the second drive while the system is running and then reboot debian?
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05:03<Supaplex>oliva: yes, check the install guide, it's in one of the last sections
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05:04<elhobab>Hi valdyn how are you?? do you remember me?? :)
05:04<oliva>Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System
05:04<oliva>super Supaplex
05:05<elhobab>don't panic :) i resolved the problem it's ok now
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05:08<figurate>!volatile
05:08<dpkg>it has been said that volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free
05:08<figurate>!experimental
05:08<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
05:08<figurate>!unstable
05:08<dpkg>methinks unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>.
05:09<figurate>!testing
05:09<dpkg>rumour has it, testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and given that lenny has only just been released, users of squeeze are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. <lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target>.
05:09<figurate>!sid
05:09<dpkg>somebody said sid was the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
05:13<Supaplex>!msg
05:13<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
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05:13<Supaplex>thanks. :)
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05:13<dcklqzrb>!lenny
05:13<dpkg>it has been said that lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
05:14<dcklqzrb>!debian
05:14<dpkg>hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
05:14<toaster>aptitude install libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-oss
05:14<dcklqzrb>!dmoo
05:14<dcklqzrb>!moo
05:14<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
05:14<dcklqzrb>!htp
05:14<dpkg>Hack the Plannet!!!, or an HTML pre-processor. It is designed to be a flexible authoring tool that can easily be integrated into the HTML design process. Take a look at http://maths.newcastle.edu.au/~rking/htp/
05:15<dcklqzrb>!hacker
05:15<dpkg>hmm... hacker is someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity.
05:15<dcklqzrb>!hackers
05:15<dpkg>somebody said hackers was the crapiest movie ever made. Please refer to War Games for a better movie.
05:15<dcklqzrb>!cracker
05:15<dpkg>[cracker] defined at http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/cracker.html
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05:16<dcklqzrb>!warez
05:16<dpkg>methinks warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/
05:16<Supaplex>!tell dcklqzrb -about msg
05:16<Supaplex>dcklqzrb: try /query dpkg
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05:16<dcklqzrb>ty
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05:16<brunner>what program can I use to dial out on a modem for purposes other than internet access? it's already set up as a device in /dev.
05:16<Supaplex>brunner: minicom, screen
05:17<dcklqzrb>and sorry
05:17<brunner>Supaplex: thanks!
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05:21<brunner>Supaplex: how would I use minicom to attach to /dev/ttyIAX?
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05:22<figurate>!debian
05:22<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
05:24<cahoot>brunner: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-set-up-a-serial-console-client perhaps?
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05:35<petern>ttyIAX? hmm, last time i checked that could only handle fax modems
05:36<petern>erm
05:36<petern>s/fax modems/fax/
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05:41<Supaplex>how you would use it is up to you. I would go to bed, because I'm far too tired for this ttyIAX stuffs. :D
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05:43<s4br3>Supaplex, Hi, I got my sata disk mounted and readable, despited being NTFS! Thanks. However, I wish to reformat it into ext3, until ext4 comes into Sid. Which tool would you recommend? There are sda1 and sda2 now.
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05:47<figurate>hello when is kernel 2.6.28 gonna make it into unstable -> testing
05:47<s4br3>figurate, As I understand it it might even be 2.6.29, skipping both 27 and 28
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05:48<figurate>is it already in there??
05:48<s4br3>No
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05:49<figurate>me searching packages in unstable only shows 2.6.26 at the moment
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05:51<s4br3>figurate, Yes, that is where it is at.
05:51<figurate>thanks s4br3
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05:51<figurate>I look forward to kernel 2.6.29
05:51<s4br3>figurate, Why?
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05:52<wnd>umm, unless I'm missing something 2.6.28 /is/ in unstable -- or that's what apt-cache keeps telling me
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05:53<sp>s4br3: if you want to reformat a partition or change the partition layout I would suggest using gparted
05:53<figurate>bleeding edge
05:53<figurate>can I use ext4 with 2.6.26
05:53<s4br3>wnd, You are correct! 2.6.28 is here.
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05:54<wnd>figurate, 2.6.26 has ext4dev
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05:54<wnd>(at your own peril)
05:55<figurate>what about lenny's installer, does it support ext4 already?
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05:56<s4br3>2.6.28 has been out for 10 days!
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05:57<amphi_>s4br3: longer than that - .28.2 has been out for at least 27 days
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05:57<s4br3>sp, thanks!
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06:05<jrodger>hello? anyone can help on LXDE? my wireless isn't recognised
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06:09<amphi>what card is it?
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06:09<jrodger>Intel 3945 (iwl3945
06:09<jrodger>I had better let you know I am a recent convert so Debian is still a little strange to me
06:10<amphi>!3945
06:10<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch> <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net
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06:15<figurate>!flash
06:15<dpkg>i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
06:15<figurate>!adobe flash
06:15<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and cannot be in a stable debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easist way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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06:16<cahoot>figurate: you know you kan /msg the bot?
06:16<cahoot>s/kan/can/
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06:17<figurate>help msg
06:17<figurate>help
06:17<figurate>!help msg
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06:19<figurate>MSG figurate flash
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06:20<cahoot>figurate: try /msg dpkg flash
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06:28<jrodger>daft question....where do I add <non-free sources> to package manager?
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06:29<amphi>jrodger: /etc/apt/sources.list
06:30<figurate>cahoot thnks had much fun with the bot
06:30<figurate>exit
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06:30<amphi>jrodger: you'll need to be root to edit that file
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06:33<jrodger>I'm in the file as root, but what do I add?
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06:37<cahoot>something like: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib
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06:39<amphi>jrodger: you should already have such a line, so you should only need to append 'non-free contrib' to it
06:41<dcklqzrb>how can i add a searchengine to searchbar (NOT by menu/download)?
06:41<dcklqzrb>iceweasel*
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06:44<brunner>has anyone here been able to get iaxmodem to handshake over the internet?
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06:45<amphi>jrodger: you make progress? ;)
06:46<jrodger>still going......I am just changing distros and windows managers at the same time so I'm tripping up quite a bit
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06:46<amphi>heh
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06:50<jrodger>I tried appending the line now i am getting errors about not being able to find the source
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06:53<figurate>is there any plans to include firefox in unstable non-free
06:53<tjanda>yeah
06:53<tjanda>unstable non-free? whats that?
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06:55<amphi>jrodger: pastebin you sources.list perhaps
06:55<amphi>*your
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06:56<jrodger>pastebin.com?
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06:57<figurate>is kde 4.2 in unstable?
06:57<amphi>jrodger: I generally use pastebin.ca
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07:01<jrodger>amphi: http://pastebin.ca/1349451
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07:06<amphi>jrodger: just append 'non-free contrib' to lines 5 & 8
07:07<amphi>I'mnot sure what the 'volatile' stuff is about
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07:07<dr|z3d>Just think of volatile as unstable ++
07:07<jrodger>I will give that a go...thanks
07:08<amphi>dr|z3d: thanks, I just asked dpkg ;)
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07:15<jrodger>still getting the errors....
07:15<jrodger>http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/non-free/contrib/source/Sources: 404 Not Found [IP: 150.203.164.37 80]
07:15<jrodger>http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/non-free/contrib/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found [IP: 150.203.164.37 80]
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07:19<amphi>pastebin your sources.list again
07:20<themill>jrodger: the .au mirror is a little annoying like that... it's a bit of a yoyo
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07:20<jrodger>so remove "au"?
07:21<figurate>whats the default installer /root directory permissions on lenny
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07:21<jrodger>figurate: how do I find that out?
07:21<themill>jrodger: no, pick another Australian mirror from the list. /msg dpkg mirrors
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07:22<figurate>jrodger ls -l /root
07:23<figurate>sorry mean ls -ld /root
07:23<jrodger>http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/non-free/contrib/source/Sources: 404 Not Found [IP: 150.203.164.37 80]
07:23<jrodger>http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/non-free/contrib/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found [IP: 150.203.164.37 80]
07:23<jrodger>sorry
07:24<jrodger>drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096......
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07:27<juan>hello
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07:30<elmex_>i have just made myself an installer usb stick, i started it and it works fine. but i wonder how to enter the rescue mode with it
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07:31<elmex_>(i used the flexible method and used a debian i386 netinstall iso image)
07:31<elmex_>also the installation manual didn't reveal any clues
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07:37<adri>Can it tell me who is installation for preferring a cd 1 or a dvd 1
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07:41<dr|z3d>adri: If you have access to the net, ideally on a fast connection, CD is fine. Otherwise, you might consider the DVD.
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07:42<nadie>Hi! I'm in unstable/experimental and having trouble updating package libkrb5-dev with aptitude. Anyone else?
07:42<dirk_>hiya. I've got a bunch of mp3-files(an audiobook) that I try to copy to my mp3 portable. they all end up in the wrong order. ive tried fatsort, but it doesnt work for some reason. what could I do? is it possible to: "cat audiobook???.mp3 > chunkfile.mp3"?
07:42<dirk_>(or something else..)
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07:43<dr|z3d>dirk_: If they're in the "wrong order", they're probably being sorted by metatags. Try sorting by filename, perhaps.
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07:43<themill>some devices use disk order, unfortunately
07:43<dirk_>dr|z3d, no... in fact they're all sorted by file name...
07:44<dirk_>one solution would be to mass-tag them as 1 to 200 in track names.. but I don't know how to do that in a easy way
07:45<dr|z3d>Your player, dirk_.. does it offer any options to sort based on anything other than filename?
07:46<dirk_>dr|z3d, no. I dont think so.
07:46<dirk_>if fatsort would work, everything would be fine... but it doesn't
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07:47<themill>dirk_: so what does your device sort by? disk order? filename?
07:47<adri>my network conection is pppoe
07:47<adri>and netinst not supported this conection
07:47<dirk_>themill: filename.
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07:47<dirk_>or, sorry, disk order.
07:47<dirk_>thats the thing
07:48<dirk_>thats why im trying to use fatsort
07:49<dr|z3d>adri: Please chat to me, and others here. More help available. No pms please :)
07:50<dirk_>im trying to get it to sort it by filename -- or the other solution would as I wrote above be to mass name the tracks in proper order -- but thats not an easy task, at least for me.
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07:53<dr|z3d>dirk_: You should be able to find a tool to sequentially name files I imagine.
07:53<adri>ok
07:54<dr|z3d>As a batch job.
07:54<adri>The internet is my relationship Pppoe netinst did not keep pppoe for that which I don't ask which facility is a minimal and recommended cd 1 or a dvd 1?
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07:54<dr|z3d>adri: The CD is obviously more minimal than the DVD.. either works.. obviously the CD will do better installing to devices that don't have an attached DVD drive :)
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07:56<dr|z3d>adri: Really does depend on your predicted usage. There's no right answer.
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07:57<dr|z3d>adri: If you're inclined to take the disc around to friends and install, possibly where bandwidth is scarce, then the DVD is a fine choice. But even there, the CD will give you a good basic set of app.
07:57<adri>thanks
07:58<Rockon>can somebody tell me what i should do to remove gnome and install xfce ???
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07:59<dr|z3d>Rockon: You don't need to uninstall gnome, and in fact it's better to leave it installed with Xfce.
07:59<dr|z3d>Rockon: Since Xfce also uses GTK, there are lots of shared components between gnome and Xfce.
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08:00<Rockon>k,how do it switch then?
08:00<dr|z3d>Are you using GDM to login?
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08:01<Rockon>sorry,lost u there,i am a newbie
08:01<dr|z3d>Ok, when you login, do you get a name/password screen with a "session" button/option visible?
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08:02<adema>hey got a question
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08:02<Rockon>yeah
08:02<adema>i'd like to customize a lenny-live iso
08:02<adema>do i have to rebuild everything
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08:03<dr|z3d>Rockon: Or, try this from a terminal: ps -e |grep gdm
08:03<adema>or can i just download the "officiel" iso and mount it under qemu
08:03<adema>and do every change i want
08:03<adema>what is best ?
08:03<dr|z3d>Rockon: You should see gdm and possibly gdmgreeter listed if you're running GDM.
08:04<Rockon>i am just gettin two numbers with 00:00:00: gdm
08:04<dr|z3d>Great. You're running GDM as your "greeter" or login manager.
08:04<dr|z3d>So, once you've installed Xfce, when you login, you'd hit the option marked "session" and select Xfce..
08:05<Rockon>k
08:05<Rockon>will try it out now,thanks man
08:05<dr|z3d>The session option should list all installed environments.
08:05<dr|z3d>You can opt to have a session saved as default, or only for that session.. gdm will ask.
08:06<dr|z3d>As for installing xfce, from a terminal: apt-cache search xfce
08:06<Rockon>k,and all my normal stuff unrelated to the environment wont be affected,if choose somethin else right?
08:06<dr|z3d>That should list all available packages that can be installed related to Xfce.
08:07<dr|z3d>Nope, that should be fine.
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08:07<Rockon>thanks,will try it now
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08:35<Rockon>hey,can someone help me make my desktop look like mac?
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08:37<reneger>Rockon: apt-cache search baghira
08:37<reneger>kwin-baghira - KDE theme for Apple junkies :)
08:38<Rockon>for gnome?
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08:46<Rockon>can i get the dock from mac?
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08:47<Tekno>avant-window-navigator
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08:52<Rockon>help with opera??it looks dumb,as compared to the original windows thin
08:54<goodxandros>http://eeedownload.asus.com/search.seam?conversationId=10634
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08:54<goodxandros>try that one
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08:55<goodxandros>that opera looks great Rockon
08:55<goodxandros>if it just sends you to the site use the searhc for opera
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08:56<goodxandros>serch*
08:56<goodxandros>lol
08:56<goodxandros>search*
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09:09<midas>is there a proper howto to compile a kernel for debian?
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09:10<midas>debian lenny that is
09:10<panthera>see wiki
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09:18<giacchetta>hi guys, is there any specific channel to help about debian installer?
09:18<abrotman>depeneds what kind of help you need
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09:19<giacchetta>just about debian installer and translation support
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09:21<giacchetta>abrotman: let's say general d-i support
09:22<abrotman>you'd start here probably
09:22<giacchetta>ok
09:22*midas hopes that this will fix my raid card problems \o/
09:22<abrotman>or at least ask .. if it's too technical, we may send you to #debian-boot
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09:23<giacchetta>i'm just tryng to get it up and running in my own live debian distro. The problem is it seems to accept all options from preseed.cfg files, but the language used by the installer doesn't match that I choosed
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09:25<giacchetta>here's what I'm using http://pastebin.com/m7bdc0fc5
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09:26<abrotman>Giada ? really?
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09:26<giacchetta>yep abrotman Giada mean Giacomo-Loredana
09:26<abrotman>giacchetta: oh .. not the foodtv lady :)
09:27<Rockon>i want a dock in ubuntu gnome but i dont have a graphics card and stuff,any hop for me?
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09:27<abrotman>Rockon: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
09:27<giacchetta>mmmhhh you kidding.. but I'm really lost :/
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09:28<abrotman>giacchetta: http://www.foodnetwork.com/everyday-italian/index.html
09:28<abrotman>anyways ...
09:28<giacchetta>looking..
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09:30<abrotman>giacchetta: see .. Giada on foodtv :)
09:30<giacchetta>abrotman: wow, nice girl! But really.. Giada mean just GIAcomo-LoreDAna and would be a Debian pure distro running Backuppc for administrators!
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09:30<abrotman>giacchetta: tried just "it" as your language selection ?
09:31<giacchetta>already tried :( Anityme it take about 1 hour to rebuild image
09:31<abrotman>i asssume you mean line 4 is the one not working
09:31<giacchetta>yes
09:31<abrotman>are you trying to change the language during the installer, or for the system?
09:32<giacchetta>The installer doesnt show any option for that at runtime
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09:32<abrotman>actually .. it's a loading option, not a preseed option .. but you can
09:32<giacchetta>it just skip anything and go on
09:32<abrotman>To specify the locale as a boot parameter, use locale=en_US.
09:32<abrotman>from the manual
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09:32<abrotman>(at least, i assume that changes the language of the installer)
09:32<giacchetta>I tried it_IT
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09:33<giacchetta>Let me do some other try..
09:33<giacchetta>abrotman: Thank you
09:34<abrotman>giacchetta: you could also try the mailing lists
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09:34<giacchetta>Yeah
09:34<abrotman>there is one that is in italian, and someone there may know
09:35<giacchetta>thx
09:35<abrotman>oh .. there's not one in italian .. weird ..
09:35<giacchetta>heh
09:35<abrotman>there's one in polish!
09:35<giacchetta>I'll find one :P
09:36<highvoltage>iuiui
09:36<highvoltage>`.
09:37<highvoltage>(sorry)
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09:41<dr|z3d>Rockon: OS X style dock, you say? Try either gbar, cairo dock or gnome-do (>=v.0.8).
09:41<dr|z3d>gbar should be wbar, my mistake.
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09:42<abrotman>dr|z3d: WRONG CHANNEL
09:42<abrotman>whoops
09:42*abrotman takes away his caps lock
09:42<dr|z3d>No need to shout, abrotman *chuckle*
09:43<Tekno>avant-window-navigator is good osx like dock
09:45<Torsten_W>cairo-dock is an better-than-OSX-dock ;)
09:45<Tekno>but awn is even better
09:45<Rockon>will those work without a great graphics card??
09:45<Torsten_W>Tekno: what is better on awn?
09:46<Torsten_W>Tekno: cairo-dock has more features as awn
09:46<dr|z3d>Rockon: wbar works well over vnc, other solutions may demand more cpu grunt.
09:47<dr|z3d>gnome-do, for example, needs at least a composting engine enabled.
09:47<dr|z3d>*compositing
09:47<Rockon>i installed wbar,but cant seem to find it
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09:48<dr|z3d>from terminal: wbar --above-desktop or similar. You'll want wbarconf as well, probably.
09:48<abrotman>Rockon: go to #ubuntu on freenode for support
09:48*dr|z3d never noticed Rockon was using #ubuntu
09:48<dr|z3d>*Ubuntu
09:48<dr|z3d>Regardless, dock apps are distribution non-specific :)
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09:49<abrotman>this channel is
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09:50<hjb>Hi. I'm running lenny and trying to build the examples from libglademm-2.4-doc package. That fails, see http://paste.debian.net/29436
09:50<dr|z3d>abrotman: If one would offer the same advice, regardless of distro, and the apps run fine in Debian, what harm in a few generic pointers? :)
09:50<hjb>I wonder if this is a bug in the debian package
09:50<abrotman>dr|z3d: then go help in ##linux, not here
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09:52<abrotman>hjb: where did you get that make command ?>
09:52*dr|z3d suspects he won't be seeing eye to eye on the issue with abrotman any time soon :)
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09:52<abrotman>dr|z3d: it's not up for debate, EoD
09:52<hjb>abrotman do you mean *where* i executed it or *why*?
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09:53<dr|z3d>We already had this discussion, a while back. The consensus seemed to be, "If you can help a little, do so. Others may choose not to"
09:53<abrotman>hjb: oh jeez .. misread the paste .. i thought you had typed in that huge sh command
09:53<abrotman>dr|z3d: it'll get you banned
09:53<hjb>abrotman oh no :-)
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09:54<hjb>abrotman i only copied the /usr/share/doc/libglademm-2.4/example dir into my home and found a Makefile in there
09:54<abrotman>hjb: i'm installing to try .. moment
09:54<hjb>abrotman ok, thanks
09:54<dr|z3d>Rockon: For the record, if you're running Ubuntu, you might find the support offered in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net more nuanced towards your needs. :)
09:57<abrotman>hjb: i wonder if you had to load it with glade .. and not just run make
09:57<Rockon>"dr|z3d: Thanks for the suggestion but they are not respondin :("
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09:58<giacchetta>uhu lot of people talking about ubuntu. Nobody wants to learn Debian anymore? I'm as old as I feel ? :P
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09:59<dr|z3d>Rockon: You're welcome to pm me if you're in need of specific assistance.
10:00<hjb>abrotman why should i? the build cc sources are supposed to read the .glade files at runtime
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10:00<abrotman>hjb: i haven't messed with glade in years (gazpacho seems way easier) ..
10:00<hjb>abrotman so i thought that the Makefile is there for building executables from the .cc files in the example
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10:02<hjb>abrotman gazpacho? that cold spanish vegetables soup?
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10:02<hjb>abrotman ;)
10:02<abrotman>!info gazpacho lenny
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10:02<dpkg>gazpacho: (GTK+ User Interface Designer), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.7.2-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 510 kB, Installed size: 2056 kB
10:03<hjb>abrotman ok, sounds nice. But: "It is compatible with libglade, writing XML files that specify the interface to be created in run-time."
10:04<abrotman>hjb: but anyways, i don't see a bug on the package, that's why i'm thinking we're not trying to build it right
10:05<hjb>abrotman that was my thought, too. Problem is that it's not documented, or i'm haven't found the right peace of doc
10:05<giacchetta>abrotman: how many years are you're around here ??
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10:05<abrotman>giacchetta: not sure
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10:06<abrotman>hjb: if you go into one of the projects .. and try to open it with glade?
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10:06<giacchetta>latest time I seen you wan in the 1948 and you already was in #debian! You really rocks :D
10:06<abrotman>hehe
10:06<giacchetta>was*
10:06<giacchetta>great
10:07<giacchetta>really strong
10:07<hjb>abrotman that works fine, i've tested it with the basic example. But this only allows me to play with the pre-defined ui in basic.glade
10:08<abrotman>isn't that kind of the point ?
10:08<hjb>abrotman i can't see how to build the binary from within glade
10:08<abrotman>hjb: are you going to make me install glade?
10:08<hjb>abrotman not really
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10:08<abrotman>hjb: give me a moment
10:08<hjb>abrotman :-) if you like, but as the xml files are compatible, you should also be able to open it using gazpacho
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10:09<abrotman>i'm not sure i even have that installed anymore
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10:10<hjb>abrotman oh, now i found another, obvious bug in that package
10:10<abrotman>in the -doc package ?
10:10<hjb>abrotman yes
10:10<abrotman>which is?
10:10<hjb>abrotman the reference manual in docs/reference/html is filled with a lot of broken links
10:11<hjb>there must have happend something bad while building it using docbook
10:11<abrotman>hjb: did you copy the directory?
10:11<abrotman>where do the links point?
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10:12<hjb>abrotman to file:///usr/share/gtkmm-2.4/docs/
10:12<hjb>abrotman bot only the "header" (main page, book ....) is broken
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10:13<hjb>abrotman the reference itself seems fine. so just a small bug
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10:13<hjb>abrotman oh, no i haven't copied the folder
10:13<hjb>abrotman anyway, it doesn't say anything about how to build the examples
10:14<abrotman>hjb: do you have the gtkmm-docs package installed ?
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10:14<abrotman>they've changed glade a lot since last i used it
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10:15<hjb>abrotman yes, i have that installed
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10:15<abrotman>hjb: you can certainly file bugs on the packages ..
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10:15<hjb>it installs into /usr/share/doc/libgtkmm-2.4-doc
10:16<abrotman>that doesn't seem very helpful
10:16<hjb>no, not in this case
10:16<hjb>i'll file a bug for this
10:16<hjb>but i'm not sure about the Makefile problem
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10:17<abrotman>you could email the maintainer to check
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10:19<hjb>abrotman How would you read that situation? I mean, if you step into the examples dir and find that Makefile there? I interpret this, as there's nothing else, that i'm supposed to run make and will get the examples builded
10:20<abrotman>built .
10:20<hjb>uh oh :-|
10:20<abrotman>hjb: that's why i said to contact the maintainer .. he may know what you're doing wrong
10:20<hjb>abrotman hmm, ok. I'll do
10:21<abrotman>hjb: and also mention to him the other bit about the broken links
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10:24<hjb>abrotman oh, i see that there's a newer version of the package in unstable
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10:24<hjb>abrotman which version have you installed?
10:24<abrotman>hjb: i'm sure there is .. but the lenny version is what you have, and it's not clear how to build the samples
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10:26<hjb>abrotman oh, right. lenny is stable know, so newer version will not make it into it, right?
10:27<hjb>s/know/now
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10:27<Lockpicking_Tux>hey there
10:28<abrotman>hjb: not like the one in sid .. it's possible that a version that fixes that might make it in .. but one never knows
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10:30<hjb>abrotman heh, i'm totally exited
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10:30<Lockpicking_Tux>does anyone knows something about the security bug in ubuntu ssh?
10:31<petern>in #debian?
10:31<dr|z3d>Lockpicking_Tux: Two things. 1. Google. 2. #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net :)
10:31<hjb>abrotman one last question: this package has two maintainers. Am i right that i should mail to both of them (one in cc)?
10:31<Lockpicking_Tux>ubuntu xD
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10:31<Lockpicking_Tux>oki doki
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10:33<abrotman>hjb: apt-cache show <foo> who does it show ?
10:34<innov>algum brasileiro?
10:34<hjb>abrotman Deng Xiyue <manphiz-guest@users.alioth.debian.org>
10:34<abrotman>sounds good
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10:34<hjb>abrotman then i'm ready to go! yeah, thanks for your help
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10:38<midas>jeez. i hoped compiling a new kernel on my new dual xeon would be faster :p
10:38<cahoot> - j3?
10:38<midas>?
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10:40<cahoot>i e CONCURRENCY_LEVEL if you use make-kpkg
10:40<midas>the export=concurrency_level=3 you mean?
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10:43<cahoot>yes - but I suppose it should be caps
10:43<midas>yeah, was too lazy to press capslock :p
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10:48<lili>QY\
10:48<lili>ls
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11:05<christoph>Hi all! I have read a lot now about the aoss/32bit software thing but could not make up an clean solution. Is anyone aware of such a thing?
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11:06<christoph>(clean is meant as not downloading some binary package from some random place in the web)
11:06<christoph>that is compiled against an old ubuntu version while the target desktop runns lenny
11:06<dr|z3d>christoph: Not sure what you're asking.. can you rephrase please?
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11:07<christoph>aoss seems to not work with 32bit binarys on an amd64 system
11:08<christoph>more or less http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500289
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11:09<christoph>or debbug #407069 or https://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=94011 ;)
11:10<panfist>hi, i am trying to install debian on my system for the first time, and the debian5 amd64 DVD is causing my system to reboot everytime almost immediately after i select any option to boot: rescue mode, graphical install, expert install, etc
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11:12<panfist>ok, nevermind, bad media, ... sorry to bother
11:12<stroyan>panfist: Have you run other linux distros on that hardware?
11:13<stroyan>OK
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11:14<EmleyMoor>I am trying to install squeeze on a kvm from the business card image but it keeps saying that setting up the network failed. What do I do to fix it?
11:16<panfist>well...since i'm here...i might as well ask...is there any recent documentation covering linux raid on debain? can anyone recommend any books covering adminstration of raid on debian or linux in general? thanks
11:19<enouf>EmleyMoor: try BOOT_DEBUG=3, check netcfg options within installer - see alt-f4
11:19<EmleyMoor>panfist: I don't know of anything new and specific to Debian...
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11:27<EmleyMoor>enouf: BOOT_DEBUG=3 crashed X on the host... stuck as to the others
11:27<enouf>great
11:27<enouf>wtf is X anywhere involved?
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11:28<Semitry>is there a way to pipe out to 2 commands?
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11:28<tuxcrafter>hi all i want to check if all files from package initscripts are correct how do i do this and how to i fix files that are not correct or removed for example, I remove /etc/init.d/rc.local from the package initscripts
11:29<EmleyMoor>enouf: The guest's display...
11:29<tuxcrafter>how do i detect the file is missing and how do i resintall it without remove reinistall
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11:30<dmoerner>tuxcrafter, /msg dpkg confmiss
11:30<enouf>tuxwarrior: rc.local contains hardly anything
11:30<enouf>i can pastebin it
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11:30<enouf>tuxcrafter: i meant you, not tuxwarrior
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11:30<EmleyMoor>Error is 139
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11:31<tuxcrafter>enouf: ack
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11:31<tuxcrafter>enouf: i use sudo dpkg-query --status initscripts
11:31<tuxcrafter>to list the files it contains
11:31<tuxcrafter>but how do i list them showint what is config file and what is not
11:32<enouf>i love it when /dev/hdc5 reiserfs 15G 12G 3.5G 77% /mnt/p5 becomes /dev/hdc5 reiserfs 15G 1.9G 13G 13% /mnt/p5 after i wipe all the shit off of it
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11:33<enouf>tuxcrafter: naybe congifure-debian pkg can help
11:33<enouf>tuxcrafter: er maybe configure-debian pkg can help - and debsums, and debconf
11:33<tuxcrafter>enouf: i am not trying to do something i just need some info :-0
11:34<abrotman>tuxcrafter: you want to know what conf files a package has ?
11:34<enouf>and stop messing with /etc/init.d/ scripts - that's what the various other runlevels are for
11:34<abrotman>oh
11:34<tuxcrafter>how can i list all files in a package dpkg-query --listfiles and show what files are config files and what not
11:34<tuxcrafter>enouf: i just use /etc/init.d/ scripts as example :-D
11:35<enouf>tuxcrafter: the .postinst pkgs create/use/offer many of them - so .. happy hunting
11:35<enouf>bad example
11:35*tuxcrafter has not found one answer on his questions :-(
11:35<enouf>sorry - then i misunderstand - try someone else
11:36<tuxcrafter>ok i remove a file from a package that is listed in the sudo dpkg-query --status initscripts
11:36<tuxcrafter>ok i remove a file from a package that is listed in the dpkg-query --status packagename
11:36<tuxcrafter>question 1: how can i check my that there is a file missing that was intalled with a package
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11:37<tuxcrafter>question 2: how can i find if this is a config file or normal file
11:37<tuxcrafter>question 3: how can i reinstall/fix the altered or missing file
11:38<dr|z3d>tuxcrafter: aptitude reinstall <packagename>
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11:40<EmleyMoor>Is the new installer supposed to work with kvm? I can't get any network
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11:41<tuxcrafter>enouf: something wrong with the questions?
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11:42<Joe>hello
11:42<Joe>Is anybody there?
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11:42<midas>just me being stupid, i have 2 patches for the sata_mv.c in the kernel, how do i apply them?
11:42<Guest1075>ok?
11:42<EmleyMoor>Of corse there's someone here
11:43<Guest1075>Sorry
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11:43<dr|z3d>!tell Guest1075 about ask
11:43<midas>i have build a kernel, 2.6.28 etc
11:43<Guest1075>Did Java change their licence for all Linux?
11:44-!-Guest1075 is now known as Joseph
11:44<EmleyMoor>Joseph: Do you mean Sun?
11:44<Joseph>yes
11:44<tuxcrafter>dr|z3d: i tried your command in a work case i did: rm /etc/init.d/rc.local; dpkg --search /etc/init.d/rc.local; aptitude reinstal initscripts; dpkg-reconfigure iniscripts; ls -hal /etc/init.d/rc.local
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11:45<Joseph>Sorry i for got thei company name
11:45<tuxcrafter>but the file is not there
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11:45<EmleyMoor>Joseph: As far as I know it's still not DFSG free - haven't heard about a recent change
11:45<tuxcrafter>somebody know an answer to question 1 and 2?
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11:46<karine>lll
11:46<Joseph>There was a video on Youtube saying Sun has changed Java Licence so its not that hard to put java on Linux
11:47<dr|z3d>tuxcrafter: You might want to look at fam.
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11:47<EmleyMoor>It never was
11:47<Joseph>oh
11:47<enouf>tuxcrafter: try irc.freenode.net #debian maybe
11:47<Joseph>Sorry about that then
11:47<EmleyMoor>I know nothing recent about it
11:48<Joseph>its kinda old
11:48<Joseph>happed ages ago
11:48<EmleyMoor>They relaxed it a bit - it can be distributed as binary now
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11:48<Joseph>that`s what he means then
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11:49*EmleyMoor tries something in kvm...
11:49<Joseph>Im glad my new graphics card work for Xubuntu
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11:50<EmleyMoor>Is my installler problem due in any way to the kvm user-mode network not being able to ping the Internet?
11:51<tuxcrafter>enouf: am i not on irc.freenode.net #debian :-(
11:51<EmleyMoor>If so, how do I circumvent?
11:51<Joseph>Is there any rules for Xchat?
11:51<tuxcrafter>enouf: ow i am on the offical debian irc now right?
11:51<tuxcrafter>its not freenode i know
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11:54<EmleyMoor>Joseph: Xchat is just an IRC client
11:54<Joseph>What dose Xubuntu support as Exacting formats?
11:54<EmleyMoor>See www.irchelp.org to find out about IRC
11:54<Joseph>I was trying for ages to get Java sun on Xubuntu
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11:55<Joseph>What are the colour codes for is Red Admin and blue Mod?
11:56<Joseph>it is my first time using ICR chat...
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11:56<EmleyMoor>Joseph: Wouldn't know - don't use Xchat
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11:57<Joseph>what are you using?
11:57<EmleyMoor>irssi
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11:57<Joseph>is it already on Linux or you have to download it?
11:57<midas>irssi ftw :)
11:58<dr|z3d>Joseph: XChat has no rules as such, IRC does, though. And specifically, channels generally enforce their own rules. Quite often those rules revolve around being "on topic".. ie not talking about stuff not related to the channel.
11:58<duraperidol>Joseph: aptitute install irssi
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11:58<EmleyMoor>It's ready packaged for Debian
11:58<duraperidol>Joseph: aptitude install irssi
11:58<dr|z3d>Joseph: So you might consider this channel having rules, of sorts. One of which is, Ubuntu isn't supported here. :)
11:58<erminho>#maceio
11:58<midas>!ubuntu
11:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:59<goodxandros>sweet i got a nice box for freeeeee
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11:59<goodxandros>asus a7266-e
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11:59<EmleyMoor>Is there any way I can install from the latest installer image on a kvm? Network fails because a kvm user-mode network can't ping the Internet
12:00<goodxandros>i need 80 pin cables lol
12:00<duraperidol>kvm = keyboard visual, mouse, ?
12:00<duraperidol>is that the kvm that you mean?
12:00<midas>EmleyMoor: do you have a proper route to the internet?
12:00<midas>keyboard video mouse
12:00<themill>EmleyMoor: use the netinst instead of the business card perhaps.
12:01<Joseph>Dose linux need any Anti Vs?
12:01<duraperidol>Joseph: no it does not. What windows users call "virii" not only do not RUN or work on linux, but the unix security model would
12:01<dr|z3d>Joseph: Generally not, but AV can be useful if you're dual booting with Windows.
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12:01<steffan>!tell Joseph about antivirus
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12:02<duraperidol>make any attempted infection localized to the user that the said "virus" (actually a worm more likely) to the account that it is executed under.
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12:02<cahoot>dr|z3d: how would dualboot mattter?
12:02<duraperidol>and yes, you can run a linux av, which will search for windows worms from linux.
12:02<EmleyMoor>midas: Yes
12:02<EmleyMoor>themill: Just tried - no difference
12:02<dr|z3d>cahoot: If you're dual booting into Windows, then it's handy to have a virus scanner available within Linux..
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12:02<midas>can you ping the gateway?
12:02<Joseph>I have 2 Wndows and 1 Linux OS but both windows have Anti Viruses
12:03<themill>EmleyMoor: the netinst doesn't need a network connection to install though
12:03<duraperidol>Joseph: while windows is not booted into, the av won't do jack squat.
12:03<EmleyMoor>themill: What do I proceed to?
12:03<Joseph>Yep i know..
12:03<duraperidol>EmleyMoor: it will instal a *very basic* debian install with a netinst w/o internet connection,b ear in mind
12:03<dr|z3d>cahoot: Knowing that you're starting from a point of non-infection by scanning Windows partitions from Linux does help.
12:04<duraperidol>ie, no graphical user interface.. pure black screen :-)
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12:04<duraperidol>if you are comfortable with that.
12:04<Joseph>But can Linux get any Tracking cokies or Spy-wear etc...
12:04<cahoot>dr|z3d: ok
12:04<themill>EmleyMoor: you can just tell the installer that you don't have a network connection and manually configure your souces.list later.
12:05<duraperidol>Joseph: tracking cookies? most websites use cookies.. it all depends on how you configure the systems. Don't expect linux or Debian in particular to save you. that all depends on your knowledge, and competence to be honest.
12:05<duraperidol>Same thing in Windows, they just pretend otherwise.
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12:05<Joseph>i will just get AVG or AV just to be on the safe side
12:06<duraperidol>Cookies are normal, and they are how you save information.. Like how google knows that you are you, after you have signed in, from site to site.
12:06<dr|z3d>Joseph: Perhaps investigate moblock and mobloquer.
12:06<Joseph>ye its saves your password and username etc..
12:06<duraperidol>Joseph: an AV is not neccessary. only the root user messing up (or intentionally) doing something wrong could infect the system.
12:07<duraperidol>which is why in unix/linux you *never* run things as root..
12:07<EmleyMoor>Now it can't detect a disk
12:07<Joseph>ah yes thank you... that what messed it up last time
12:07<duraperidol>Joseph: In other words, you do not log into the system as root.
12:07<Joseph>ye
12:07<duraperidol>to say, load up gnome, or kde, and start ffirefox.
12:07<Joseph>What if i forget password?
12:07<duraperidol>that is stupidity on your part, to be honest,
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12:08<panfist>does anyone know what english locale i should choose in my installation if i want it to be most compatible in a generally windows network environment?
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12:08<dr|z3d>On the other hand, you'll need root/admin privs to run synaptic or aptitude, for example. So sometimes you *do* need to run tasks as root.
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12:09<dr|z3d>Note that running an app as root is not the same as logging in as root.
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12:09<Joseph>I need to reboot i have just updated it
12:09<EmleyMoor>Joseph: Updated what?
12:09<Joseph>Xubunu
12:10<abrotman>Joseph: go to #xubuntu on freenode for support
12:10<Joseph>I have just reinstalled it as i need to re-passionate my hard drive
12:10<cahoot>cute
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12:11<Joseph>were could i load up freenode?
12:12<abrotman>Joseph: /server irc.freenode.net
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12:14<Pingo>Hello guys, i have some problems with Debian.. would this be the right place to ask?
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12:14<duraperidol>Pingo: what is going on?
12:14<EmleyMoor>Pingo: As long as it is Debian...
12:14<Pingo>great :)
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12:15<Joseph>Later guys and ladies :-)
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12:16<Pingo>The problem is in two parts.. A few days ago, the update manager told me there was new updates available.. I then downloaded them and started to install.. but it just removed Gnome, and i had to manually fetch the packages again.. Im back up and running, but the interface doesn't work anymore. When i doubleclick the update icon, the updater doesnt run, and i have to do it via console or synaptic manager
12:16<Pingo>Thats the first problem :)
12:17<Pingo>The second problem is, that now, when i look at the new updates, it wants to remove gnome(and gnome-related packages as well) again
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12:17<qcharrex>Bonjour, j'aurais un problème avec l'installation de Envy. Après avoir lancé l'installation du logiciel, il me demande le root alors que je n'arrive pas à le lancer en root.
12:17<qcharrex>Un avis ?
12:17<Tarcas>!fr
12:17<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
12:18<qcharrex>Ok.
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12:18<Pingo>some guy told me that it was just "pointing packages", that is, "gnome" package points to essential gnome packages,.. but if i remove them, i guess all the packages it points to will be removed, like it did the last time
12:19<Pingo>What do i do? :)
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12:19<simonrvn>no, they won't. "gnome" is just a meta-package.
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12:19<Pingo>but how come it wants to remove it?
12:19<Tarcas>use apt-get instead of aptitude. That doesn't auto-remove things.
12:19<dr|z3d>Pingo: Once you've installed a metapackage, you can remove it. It'll leave all the actual packages intact, usually.
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12:19<Pingo>i checked versions, my "gnome" package is the same as on the server.. 1:2.22.2~5
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12:20<Pingo>it wants to remove "Gnome", "gnome-accessibility", "gnome-core", "gnome-desktop-environment", "gnome-office", "nautilus" and "nautilus-cd-burner"
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12:21<Pingo>So, what should i do? Just apply the updates and see what happens?
12:21<Pingo>Also, how do i fix the update manager ?
12:21<Astero1D>Where is Java installed on Debian? (I installed OpenJDK Java 6 Runtime and webstart) from Aadd/Remove in Gnome, now I need to create a link to icedove plugin
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12:21<qcharrex>You tell me?
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12:21<daniel>hola wenas
12:22<Joseph>Back
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12:22<abrotman>Joseph: go to #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net for support
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12:22<abrotman>Astero1D: did you install the plugin? or just the JRE?
12:22<Joseph>is freenode a website or is it just another chat room?
12:23<Astero1D>abrotman, not sure, I installed those 2 packages from Add remove
12:23<Joseph>I kunderstand its a chat room
12:23<qcharrex>Sorry, channels or is the debian-fr?
12:23<Astero1D>abrotman, I think Jre
12:23<abrotman>Joseph: in your irc client type `/server irc.freenode.net` .. after it connects, type '/join #xubuntu'
12:23<Astero1D>Joseph, it's a Server with it's own chatrooms
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12:24<abrotman>well .. he made it there ..
12:24<debianforlife>finally...
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12:26<Pingo>hm, no answers?
12:27<dr|z3d>Pingo: Personally I'd go with aptitude update
12:27<dr|z3d>Pingo: That will ask you how to resolve conflicts.
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12:27<Astero1D>Which package do I need to install Java plugin?
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12:27<Pingo>yeah, but thats just a way around the problem, and not a solution, dr|z3d :)
12:27<Astero1D>I need to make a symbolic link to it from iceweasel
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12:27<dr|z3d>Pingo: If Gnome is your default environment, you'll want to try and avoid removing core components :)
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12:28<abrotman>Astero1D: apt-cache search java plugin
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12:29<Pingo>yeah dr|z3d , it also removed gnome the last time
12:29<Pingo>but i'll try to go back to the last official kernel and update that
12:29<Pingo>and see what happens
12:29<Pingo>see you later (i hope)
12:29<dr|z3d>Good luck!
12:29<Pingo>do i need it? :D
12:30<Astero1D>abrotman, apt-cache search java | grep iceweasel nothing
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12:30<abrotman>that's not what i said
12:30<Astero1D>I have Open JRE installed, there should be plugins in it but not sure where it's located
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12:31<Astero1D>abrotman, I did what you said too could not find it, I will try again
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12:31<abrotman>Astero1D: which version of debian?
12:31-!-JanKunder [~JanKunder@92.52.18.102] has joined #debian
12:31<Astero1D>Lenny
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12:32<abrotman>i386? amd64?
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12:35<Astero1D>abrotman, i386
12:35<JanKunder>dasdas
12:36<abrotman>Astero1D: you should have icedtea-gcjwebplugin and sun-java6-plugin
12:36<Astero1D>icedtea works for iceweasel?
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12:37<JanKunder>ergo
12:37<JanKunder>ergo
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12:38<fxiny>cogito ergo sum fxiny :P
12:38<Joseph>grrr
12:38<Joseph>what was the #xubuntu channel called?
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12:39<Astero1D>yeah, icedtea java web plugin works but looks crappy
12:39<dr|z3d>Joseph: #xubuntu (and #ubuntu) or server: irc.freenode.net
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12:39<dr|z3d>*on server..
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12:41<megabloc>hola a todos
12:41<Joseph>hmm
12:42<rettub>Joseph: http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?chat=xubuntu
12:42<megabloc>alguien que hable español?
12:42<dr|z3d>!es
12:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:43<megabloc>dpkg:gracias
12:43<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gracias is thank you
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12:43<rettub>Joseph: sry better for you: http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/index.php.en?chat=xubuntu
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12:44<Joseph>nothing is working :(
12:45<abrotman>Joseph: in your irc client type `/server irc.freenode.net` .. after it connects, type '/join #xubuntu'
12:45<dr|z3d>Joseph: Type the following in xchat: /server irc.freenode.net
12:45<dr|z3d>Joseph: Then /join #ubuntu
12:45<abrotman>Astero1D: looks crappy ?
12:45<Joseph>server irc.freenode.net
12:45<Joseph>ops
12:45<Astero1D>abrotman, could be fonts issue
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12:45<dr|z3d>Note the forward slash, Joseph..
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12:45<abrotman>Astero1D: apparently i'm using hte sun-java6-plugin
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12:46<Astero1D>I just got the runtime from sun, will link to plugin manually
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12:47<clo>olá
12:48<abrotman>Astero1D: the sun java is already in debian
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12:49<Astero1D>Are you using Lenny?
12:49<Astero1D>I cant find sun-java6-plugin in apt-ache
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12:50<abrotman>judd: info sun-java6-plugin --release lenny
12:50<judd>abrotman: sun-java6-plugin (non-free/web): is optional; Version: 6-12-1; Size: 1.9k; Installed: 100k -- The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
12:50<Vdub>Hello.
12:50<simonrvn>well, not *in* debian, but in non-free/contrib
12:50<abrotman>it's in non-free
12:51<fxiny>ktorrent is vuln
12:51<Vdub>I have a question about Avant...Anyone willing to help? It's (IMO) a dumb question, and hopefully I'm just overlooking something stupid.
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13:13<duraperidol>!se
13:13<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
13:14<duraperidol>interesting.
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13:48<alex__>Hello everyone...I am at work and trying to install mysql-server-5.0 on a Kubuntu server (Hardy -- about a year old). When I run apt-get install mysql-server I get an error:
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13:49<alex__>Unable to fetch some archives maybe try apt-get update or run with --fix-missing
13:49<alex__>I have tried all of that and still no dice
13:49<alex__>I have also tried running apt-get update + apt-get upgrade and the same error occured on package 71.
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13:49<alex__>I just need mysql working any ideas?
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13:51<EmleyMoor>How can I make my default network interface a bridge?
13:51<abrotman>EmleyMoor: plenty of docs online
13:51<abrotman>alex__: you want #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net
13:52<alex__>ok thank you
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13:56<EmleyMoor>Am I still here?
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13:58<abrotman>no
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14:01<goodxandros>heh
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14:02<fxiny>EmleyMoor: try lifting pennies on your eyes :P
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14:03<panfist>having a little trouble with a fresh install of lenny amd64, i have tried two USB mice from a cold boot and i can't get mouse support. if i try to ctrl-alt-f1 my monitor doesn't support the resolution. is there a shortcut key to open the gnome terminal? or gnome menus? why aren't my mice working
14:04<goodxandros>cat /proc/devices
14:04<panfist>i have no terminal access
14:04<EmleyMoor>fxiny: Well, so far so good - but when I try to go further with this: warning: could not open /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation
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14:05<panfist>i am sitting at the gui, logged in, with no mouse support, and if i try to go to another terminal like ctrl-alt-f1, i cant do anything because my monitor doesn't support the low resolution
14:05<fxiny>EmleyMoor: you doing wmvare ?
14:05<EmleyMoor>fxiny: kvm
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14:06<JanKunder> Hello. Can you help me? I cannot boot after upgrading from Etch to Lenny. My "server" is Celeron400MHz+320GB_PATA_HDD_IBM. I was 2.6.18+udev_105 - for about 8 months with no problems. If I boot old custom_2.6.18 = boot OK;; if I boot new=2.6.26.686=kernel panic cannot mount .... (so special RAID card, only 1 HDD, hda not sda). I'm using LILO, not GRUB.
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14:08<vook>panfist: if you can ssh into the box or get to a terminal somehow, you can change your runlevel in /etc/inittab (id:*:initdefault) (or boot to single user and troubleshoot).
14:08<fxiny>!bridge
14:08<dpkg>Bridges link two or more network segments that use the same network technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same, i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reduce network traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), and also to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same network protocol. <bridge setup>.
14:08<goodxandros>sounds like all the stuff your not useing might be the prob
14:08<panfist>vook: is ssh enabled by default in a fresh install?
14:09<vook>I think so
14:09<fxiny>nothing new
14:09<fxiny>double check .
14:09<fxiny>iirc not the servers
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14:10<panfist>vook: connection refused
14:11<goodxandros>JanKunder: sounds like all the stuff your not useing might be the prob
14:11<goodxandros>not for nothing
14:11<vook>I'm wondering - just curious, what does it take for line three of 'dmesg | head' to display "Debian 5.0". I'm using squeeze now actually, but this system was originally installed using an etch netinst.
14:11<fxiny>hmmm , emacs22 don't remove emacs21
14:12<vook>panfist: hmm I though it was, maybe not. did you try to login as root or a user ?
14:13<\amethyst>vook: what does it currently say?
14:13<vook>currently says 4.1.2-24
14:13<\amethyst>vook: that's the compiler version
14:13<goodxandros>you may need to manually load a usbnet or cdc_ether driver
14:13<\amethyst>vook: used to compile the kernel
14:13<vook>ah, hehe, nevermind
14:13<panfist>vook i couldnt even get that far
14:14<goodxandros>JanKunder: thats was for you
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14:15<JanKunder>goodger_, ty
14:15<JanKunder>goodxandros, ty :)
14:15<goodger_>¬.¬
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14:16<JanKunder>goodxandros, any idea how to check/find out the problem (module or whatever)?
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14:16<JanKunder>no reason to use CUSTOM kernel more
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14:16<JanKunder>for me, for that HW
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14:17<vook>panfist: probably best to reboot into single user mode and troubleshoot from there. Your terminals are still there btw, just messed up. You could kill gdm (/etc/init.d/gdm stop from within X), then login blind at the terminal, get in as root (blind), then type X -configure, wait a few seconds, then type X -config /root/xorg.conf.new. Hehe, probably easier just to boot into single user.
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14:23<unknow>oi?
14:23<unknow>hi
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14:24<panfist>thanks vook
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14:25<geekie>I'm becomming a debiangeek, anyone that can recommend a nice forum for it? :-)
14:25<dr|z3d>geekie: True geeks don't touch forums; they use mailing lists :)
14:26<midas>and tamtams
14:26*dr|z3d chuckles.
14:26<geekie>dr|z3d: know any cool mailing lists then? =)
14:26-!-mojoman [mojoman@c-83-233-236-128.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #debian
14:26<geekie>I'm not a true geek yet tho, I'm trying! =P
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14:27<midas>lets see if debian made my raid happy again
14:27<dr|z3d>geekie: True geeks have no need of pointers to google; they know their own way there. PS. http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe
14:29<geekie>dr|z3d: Oh I'm a lazy one :-)
14:29<geekie>and I prefer asking in case you know better ones than I find on google
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14:29<midas>frag.
14:29<midas>it isnt happy yet
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14:30<midas>maybe i should just buy a 12 ports 3ware controller and be done with it
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14:30<dr|z3d>geekie: You might also find http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/400 useful.
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14:30<midas>then again, 599 euro
14:30<midas>'s
14:30<midas>it's alot of money.
14:31<geekie>dr|z3d: thanks =)
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14:33<mojoman>Hi guys. I'm trying to install artwiz fonts on my Debian Squeeze. I got the fonts download as .tar.bz2 and I tried to extract it in /usr/share/fonts and do a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig but that doesn't work. Anybody knows the best way to add fonts? I just find *really* old info on this.
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14:36<forestmars>Anyone know offhand the solution to the php5-pgsql bug (#421929) in Lenny...?
14:37<dr|z3d>mojoman: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TT-Debian-3.html#ss3.4
14:37<petern>if you want the easy way, just install them into ~/.fonts :D
14:38<dr|z3d>mojoman: Background reading: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/
14:38<abrotman>forestmars: it was fixed long ago
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14:39<forestmars>Anyone know offhand the solution to the php5-pgsql bug (#421929) in Lenny...?
14:39<dr|z3d>mojoman: See also: http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO-4.html
14:39<forestmars>oops sorry
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14:39<dr|z3d>mojoman: You really do need to polish up your google skills. :)
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14:39<forestmars>abrotman: es I see that now, but I am still getting a broken dependency for that package
14:39<abrotman>forestmars: we need more info to help you .. pastebin the error
14:40<TwisterSleep>hey all, when i do an install is there a way to save the selections out to a file?
14:40<forestmars>no need to pastebin, it's just one line:
14:40<forestmars> php5-pgsql: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2) but 5.2.8-0.dotdeb.1 is to be installed
14:40<TwisterSleep>on etch
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14:40<mojoman>@drjz3d and petern. Thanks. I want it systemwide. I looked at the tldp article but it didn't do it.
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14:40<debianforlife>TwisterSleep, you mean when you install things with apt?
14:40<forestmars>I have my sources set to 'stable' (not 'lenny') thought that shouldn't make a difference, right?
14:40<TwisterSleep>no
14:40<abrotman>forestmars: do you have your security lines ?
14:41<TwisterSleep>when i do an install from scratch
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14:41<abrotman>erm .. line
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14:41<forestmars>abrotman: sad to say, not sure what you mean by that
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14:41<forestmars>oh i see
14:41<abrotman>forestmars: put your sources.list in a pastebin
14:41<forestmars>lemme check
14:41<Twister>basically what im trying to do is create a preseeded debian install
14:41<Twister>but im having a problem finding all the answers
14:41<dr|z3d>mojoman: Check those other articles I linked to.. I'd be hugely surprised if you don't find the answers you seek therein.
14:42<abrotman>Twister: you mean .. like hte preseed section in the install manual?
14:42<ranpha1>Hi Guys, small question. If i set a the locales on lenny does this do any impact on the system ?
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14:42<christoph>can anyone help me figure out the commandline to get the openssl fingerprint from an private key file?
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14:43<Twister>abrotman: yea but that really dont tell me alot, i have looked at the files in /var/log/install but that lists everything but dont seem to give me the answers im looking for
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14:43<abrotman>!preseed
14:43<dpkg>from memory, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running.
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14:43<abrotman>eh .. should probably point at the
14:43<abrotman>!ig
14:43<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r7) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual. <installer firmware>
14:44<forestmars>abrotman here's my sources.list: http://rafb.net/p/puMHGv42.html
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14:44<abrotman>forestmars: try `aptitude update` and then try to install whatever you're trying to install
14:45<forestmars>actually I'm just using apt-- don't have aptitude installed
14:45<abrotman>whichever
14:45<mojoman>drjz3d: I'll try the XFS option and see where that gets me. Thanks.
14:45<forestmars>also my dotdeb sources are commented out, so I am not sure why I am getting that error
14:45<forestmars>just uptdated apt & tried the install again-- same error
14:46<forestmars> php5-pgsql: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2) but 5.2.8-0.dotdeb.1 is to be installed
14:46<abrotman>forestmars: ah .. i missed that .. don't use dotdeb
14:46<forestmars>I have it commented out
14:46<midas>forestmars: do apt-get install -f
14:46<seanius>the dotdeb one is showing up as "newer", so apt doesn't want to downgrade it
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14:46<forestmars>midas & abrotman -- that is safe to do?
14:46<abrotman>forestmars: use aptitude .. choose the version you want .. don't use dotdeb
14:47<forestmars>AH, thanks seanius
14:47<midas>then, apt-get remove --purge the dotdeb
14:47<forestmars>now we're talking
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14:47<dr|z3d>forestmars: apt-get install -f is often essential if you find packages not fully installed. The -f switch is "fix".
14:48<forestmars>hmm, I always thought the -f switch in apt was to 'force'
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14:49<dr|z3d>forestmars: "-f Attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place"
14:49<dr|z3d>Aka "fix".
14:49<forestmars>thanks, I need to put my reading glasses on more methinks
14:50<kjs>Hi guys, my mobile number has been cached on lists.debian.org who can i speak to regarding this?
14:50<panthera>ask your telefon company to give you a new number.
14:50<midas>lol
14:51<kjs>Not possible :)
14:51<kjs>well i have with my mobile
14:51<kjs>just can't with the work number :s
14:52<panthera>neither is the removal of the leaked information.
14:52<kjs>getting spammed to death with auttomated machines.
14:52<kjs>who runs the mailing list
14:52<abrotman>it's too late, it's already out there
14:53<forestmars>abrotman midas et al: here's what aptitude is telling me when I go to install php5-pgsql:
14:53<forestmars>http://rafb.net/p/2wkjgq35.html
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14:53<abrotman>forestmars: and?
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14:53<kjs>abrotman: I still need it removing
14:53<forestmars>I don't mind the downgrades, but I don't get the removal of mysql?
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14:54<stew>kjs: they won't take the message down as a matter of policy. be more careful in the future. note that even if they would take it down, there are dozens of other places that have public archives of the lists
14:54<forestmars>also, I must be missing something, it looks like it says it's removing php5?
14:54<abrotman>forestmars: it's probably removing that php5-mysql because it came from dotdeb and depends on hte php5-common from dotdeb
14:54<forestmars>ah thanks again abrotman , I think that is it too
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14:54<kjs>stew, I know there are other sites, they seem to be helping
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14:55<abrotman>kjs: it's already been scraped ... there's really nohting you can do
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14:55<daphne>gui attach
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14:55<kjs>god dammit
14:55<forestmars>midas (or anyone) can you tell me how to completely purge the dotdeb repositories from apt ?
14:56<midas>apt-get update after commenting them
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14:56<seanius>but you will also need to remove the installed dotdeb packages
14:56<midas>or removing the lines
14:56<dr|z3d>forestmars: Remove the repositories and then dselect/aptitude/apt-get update
14:56<daphne>GUI ATTACH
14:56<abrotman>daphne: wrong window ?
14:56<panfist>i'm having trouble with remote access...i can get ssh access to a terminal, but if i try to get XDMCP working, after i enter my login information in the login GUI, I just see a blank background indefinitely
14:56<seanius>forestmars: if this isn't a production server it will probably be easier to upgrade in two steps, the first being removing the dotdeb packages manually
14:57<forestmars>yes
14:57<forestmars>deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
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14:58<forestmars>seanius: this is not production, but I already used aptitude to pull the dotdeb's
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14:59<seanius>you sure there aren't a few still laying around installed on the system?
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14:59<seanius>apt-get install apt-show-versions && apt-show-versions | grep dotdeb
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15:03<forestmars>thanks everyone for the suggestions, I have update everything and it's working now
15:03<midas>great :)
15:03<forestmars>Will have a toast later tonight at the NYC party to celebrate Deb Conf coming here next year !
15:03*midas goes back to having a fight with his raid controllers
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15:08<debianforlife>RAID controllers are the cause of a lot of my swearing...
15:09<midas>debianforlife: same here
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15:10<midas>i have 2 controllers, 1 adaptec, 1 highpoint, 12 1TB drives attached to it, there is a bug known with the highpoint making it unstable, applied the fix, still breaks
15:10<midas>all drives are 100% okay
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15:10<debianforlife>sounds like fun :P
15:10<midas>sounds like a proper headache
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15:11<midas>lol
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15:16<romannnnnnnn>ïðèâåò
15:16<romannnnnnnn>hi all
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15:20<romannnnnnnn_>à äàâàéòå î áàãàõ ïîãîâîðèì
15:20<simonrvn>try english, or at least UTF-8
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15:32<eternal3>Hello to all
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15:32<goodxandros>hi
15:32<eternal3>Does someone know of a channel where I can get advice on ending my life? I'm trying to find methods that will be painless and work well, but keep hitting prevention sites.
15:32<eternal3>I realize this is off topic for this channel but I'm trying to find a place to seek advice
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15:33<goodxandros>just make a fertalizer bomb and blow your self to peices
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15:34<goodxandros>shouldnt hurt much
15:34<eternal3>that'd be painful if it didn't work
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15:34<goodxandros>use enoughf stuff thats all
15:34<dr|z3d>eternal3: You need counselling, not directions, I feel.
15:34<eternal3>js
15:34<debianforlife>please don't do that, go talk in a prevention chanel and get some help
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15:34<goodxandros>lol yeah dont end it man
15:34<dr|z3d>eternal3: However bad it might be, know that it will improve over time, if only you give yourself a chance.
15:34<eternal3>No, I want to end it, I've thought it over
15:35<debianforlife>so have I, trust me, it is better to live
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15:35<goodxandros>ive been there its very selfish thing to do
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15:35<goodxandros>life owes me nata
15:35<goodxandros>but i owe me
15:36<goodxandros>you can handle that man
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15:37<debianforlife>I don't care about me, it is my family and friends, they are my only reason to live. I couldn't hurt them. eternal3, get a counceler, they will really help you
15:37<eternal3>I wonder whatw ill happen to my data and equipment after I die
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15:38<eternal3>debianforlife: friends and family are almost nonexistent so nothing to worry about there
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15:39<goodxandros>far greater is it to have great victories,to have wonderous triumphs thoe checherd with failure,than to take rank with thoes poorch nor enjoy much because they no not victory or defeat.... spirits who hang in the grey twilight,who neither suffer mu
15:39<goodxandros>oops
15:39<dr|z3d>eternal3: Ever smoked marijuana?
15:39<goodxandros>let me rephrase that
15:39<eternal3>dr|z3d: nope
15:40<simonrvn>!ot
15:40<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
15:40<dr|z3d>eternal3: Try some, you might find it enhances your life and changes your outlook for the better. :)
15:41<eternal3>I read enough sci-fi to know that the universes existing in those books/tv shows must exist, but I need to end my life here to access them
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15:42<goodxandros>far greater is it to have great victories to have great triumphs thoe checkerd with failure than to take rank with thoes poor spirits who hang in the grey twilight who neither enjoy much nor suffer much because they no not victory or defeat
15:42<goodxandros>*
15:42<eternal3>People here might be sad for a bit, but they'll heal in a few days and get on with their lives
15:42<debianforlife>eternal3, the "fi" in sci-fi stands for FICTION, it is not REAL
15:42<eternal3>and they'll know that I've passed on to a better one
15:43<goodxandros>because they have proof?
15:43<eternal3>debianforlife: How do we know that? How do we know that the ideas the authors received for the books were not glimpses into an alternate reality?
15:44<eternal3>I'm willing to take the risk and say that they are, but ending my life seems more difficult than I think it should be
15:44<goodxandros>what is rock solid is killing my self makes me very selfish
15:44<debianforlife>read a science text book or something, read stephen hawking, read about how the universe really works
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15:47<eternal3>His books are boring as hell
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15:48<debianforlife>i rather like them
15:49<dr|z3d>eternal3: Terry Pratchet's better, perhaps, but don't think he's actually visited DiscWorld. It's fiction! :)
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15:49<eternal3>No, he hasn't visited it in this universe, that's the whole point
15:50<eternal3>but he's got a glimps into the real discworld that exists in an alternate universe
15:50<simonrvn>!ot
15:50<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
15:51<eternal3>oh
15:54<dr|z3d>eternal3: Life ain't that bad, but sadly we can't really help you here, we're more geared to helping with Debian. Please, seek counselling, not tips on how to die. What you think now will not be what you think a year from now. Life is precious, enjoy the gift!
15:54<midas>magic dvd players
15:54<midas>they disappear
15:55<eternal3>I'll go ponder this a bit while I continue my search, maybe something will pop up
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16:05<Vanished>how to change de mouse sensitivity please with KDE ???????????,
16:07<dr|z3d>One question mark is sufficient, don't you think, Vanished?
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16:09<steffan>Vanished: use xset.
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16:11<Vanished>thank you for you answers
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16:11<Vanished>bug how to use xset steffan please ??
16:12<panfist>man xset
16:12<steffan>man xset, or I heard Google was quite good, Vanished.
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16:12<independent>hi
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16:13<independent>hi
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16:13<Vanished>lol, i just too sluggard to use man
16:13<Vanished>i'm just too*
16:13<pmitros>I'm trying to set up ssh X forwarding between two machines manually (for convoluted reasons, no ssh -X). I'm wondering if anyone knows of a document that explains exactly what ssh -X does when it sets up port forwarding, or at least that talks more about the magic of how the whole X protocols work (magic cookies, xauth, etc.)
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16:14<dr|z3d>Vanished: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/mouse-sensitivity-9780/
16:15<dr|z3d>Linked from that page, follow the third comment here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/mouse-sensitivity-102163/
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16:17<Vanished>thank you very much
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16:22<pmitros>Oh well. I'll try a couple other places...
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16:27<jackfgr>alguna mujer por este rumbo= ?
16:27<dr|z3d>!tell jackfgr about es
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16:28<debianforlife>!es
16:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:28<maxi>hey
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16:30<maxi>mates i got a problem, if i apt-get sendmail (because i need the php mailer function) i get the errors *** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER()
16:30<maxi>*** MAILER(`local') must appear after FEATURE(`always_add_domain')*** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER()
16:30<maxi> but it sais daemon started. Now google only told me to include it into the php5.ini ,thats no problem, but what do i need to do more, and how should i get it working? btw using debian lenny
16:30<petemc>you replaced exim with sendmail?
16:30<maxi>no idea
16:31<maxi>i just installed it via apt-get
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16:31<maxi>because the mail function didnt work
16:31<maxi>wait
16:31<maxi>i look if exim4 is running
16:31<petemc>you should probably install postfix or exim
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16:31<maxi>okay now in postfix
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16:32<maxi>i get a dialog, wether to chose no conf, internset site, internet site with smarthost or local
16:32<maxi>sall i chose internet site?
16:32<maxi>i already tried installing it but i dont understand the options :S
16:32<maxi>im a bit new to the whole server stuff
16:33<dr|z3d>local is good for now.#
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16:33<maxi>okay
16:33<maxi>will it work with php mailer? because that is the only thing i need it for
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16:37<maxi>dr|z3d ?
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16:38<paveq>when I do "cp" or echo "something" > file, are those writes safe or not?
16:38<paveq>do they use fsync()?
16:39<maxi>@ dr|zed: will local work with php mailer? because that is the only thing i need it for
16:39<paveq>why does "cp" exist instantly when copying to vfat, but otherwise normally not?
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16:40<paveq>one would assume it would only exist when data has been written to the disk
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16:43<paveq>I have been under impression that most writes are safe, ie. when I do "touch file" and it exits, I can be sure if data being written to disk
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16:44<petern>exist -> exit?
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16:45<petern>and no, probably not. syncing straight after every write is quite a time sync.
16:45<paveq>ok
16:45<blackbyte>hi !
16:46*orochi arghs, c/c++ make my head hurt but it seems like people don't tend to use Java desktop apps unless they have to ;>
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16:47<Woet>I'm using iptables to filter out a small DDoS to some software, and '-A INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 8600 -j DROP' is working fine (but blocks all connections)
16:47<Woet>but if I use '-A INPUT -p udp -m udp -m length --dport 8600 -j DROP --length 15', to only block the DDoS, everything goes through
16:48<Woet>22:47:49.967131 IP 190.225.141.224.12298 > 85.17.6.58.8600: UDP, length 15
16:48<Woet>22:47:49.967135 IP 190.51.111.116.1580 > 85.17.6.58.8600: UDP, length 15
16:48<Woet>these are the actual tcpdump lines, so it seems to me both iptable rules should block it
16:48<Woet>but only the first one does
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16:50<maxi>i am running the exim4-config now
16:50<maxi>it asks me for so many stuff
16:50<maxi>does this all need to be right
16:50<maxi>that i am able to use php mail()?
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16:50<slush>Woet: try adding '--match length'
16:51<slush>oh wait
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16:51<slush>you have that
16:51<Woet>I don't?
16:51<Woet>-m is module iirc
16:51<Woet>those iptables I just mentioned are working fine on Centos btw
16:51<Woet>just not on Debian
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16:54<hazard2>Does anyone know how (if possible) to setup rsyslog to log UDP log data from a remote host without it also getting logged to local system logfiles?
16:55<hazard2>I've looked at the manual, and am now completely stumped.
16:55<maxi>does anyone know how i can get php mail() working?!
16:56<slush>Woet: modules matches the traffic, -m and --match are the same
16:56<Woet>i see
16:56<Woet>so any idea how it fails?
16:56<Woet>maxi: apt-get install sendmail
16:56<Woet>and configure /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
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17:00<slush>Woet: i'm not sure, but i believe that the iptables on debian is a bit more strict about it's syntax .. try '-m length --length 15'
17:00<Woet>isn't that what I got
17:00<Woet>or you mean the order?
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17:01<slush>yeah
17:01<slush>the latter :)
17:01<Woet>i see
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17:02<Woet>did not work.
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17:04<slush>and leaving '-m udp' out?
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17:06<Woet>slush: probably a weird question, how to reload iptables?
17:06<Woet>as in, I edited the file, how to make it active?
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17:07<Woet>nvm
17:08<Woet>slush: does not fix it either
17:08<slush>hmm
17:08<Woet>actually, slush
17:08<Woet>please answer the question I did ask
17:08<Woet>[23:06:43] <Woet> slush: probably a weird question, how to reload iptables?
17:08<Woet>[23:06:48] <Woet> as in, I edited the file, how to make it active?
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17:11<s3a>would this (http://oemexpress.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=NETTPL-WN321G&eq=) work out of the box in lenny?
17:11<Woet>slush: okay, I have no idea how I can get this to work
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17:13<maxi>Woet,, i use lighttpd :P
17:13<maxi>got it running now
17:13<Woet>k
17:13<maxi>not using the mail function but some other mailer
17:13<maxi>one of you guys ever tried lighttpd?
17:13<slush>Woet: I use my own self-written script for iptables .. So I don't know what file you edited
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17:14<Woet>slush: well, I'm failing somehow
17:14<Woet>let me ask my actual question
17:14<Woet>how to block/drop these packets:
17:14<Woet>23:13:44.206644 IP 190.46.114.57.1308 > 85.17.6.58.8600: UDP, length 15
17:14<Woet>23:13:44.206649 IP 190.49.20.128.1441 > 85.17.6.58.8600: UDP, length 15
17:14<slush>hazard2: probably in the config, removing all entries to local files?
17:14<Woet>they're all UDP and all length 15
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17:18<slush>Woet: I would made something like 'iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p udp --dport 8600 -m length --length 15 -j DROP'
17:19<slush>-I would place the rule on top
17:19<slush>so you can be sure that's the first thing that is looked up
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17:24<hazard2>slush, well, that'd keep it from logging local stuff too, but I'm just trying to keep local stuff going to local files, and remote stuff going to its own remote file(s)
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17:26<slush>eh
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17:27<knoppix_>hola
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17:28<Guest1108>tengo un problema con mandriva
17:28<midas>!mandriva
17:28<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mandriva is the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and Conectiva Linux companies. or a stupid name, or a way of giving untested and pre-released software to newbies, or http://www.mandriva.com, or #mandriva @ irc.freenode.net
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17:29<Guest1108>no puedo conecterme a internet
17:29<midas>!english
17:29<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
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17:40<mahaa>hi
17:41<mahaa>hi all
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17:44<brunner>is there an application I can use to detect a certain frequency or a modem carrier in a wave file?
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17:44<mahaa>whois mahoo
17:46<valdyn>brunner: thats what sl-modem-daemon does
17:46<valdyn>brunner: or any winmodem driver
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17:46<valdyn>brunner: no idea if you can easily twist that modem driver to do what you want precisely
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17:47<brunner>valdyn: okay, thanks
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17:53<coniptor>Has anyone here successfully compiled their own kernel and then booted into a cryptroot with it?
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17:57<toaster>hey. what exactly does build dep do?
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17:57<toaster>does it install all dependencies for a particular package?
17:57<webflex>Hi peopel
17:57<webflex>*people
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17:59<debianforlife>toaster, it gets the dependencies to build a package
18:00<toaster>is there a opengl package for linux?
18:01<debianforlife>install mesa-utils
18:01<valdyn>toaster: not exactly
18:03<toaster>...
18:03<toaster>i'm compiling wine from source
18:03<blackbyte>:)
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18:05<toaster>i tried to use aptitude but... it's saying i need a bunch of packages i don't want. 'avahi-daemon, avahi-utils, samba-common, smbclient, libavahi-core5{a},
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18:07<webflex>what is the best program to whatch a DVD?
18:08<goodxandros>that depends on how your all setup man
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18:13<amphi>webflex: I like mplayer, but you may not ;)
18:13<webflex>havent tried yet
18:14<webflex>I dont like totem..
18:14<toaster>i used to use vlc. but everything i wanted to do with vlc i can do with mplayer without the security holes that were in vlc at the time.
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18:14<goodxandros>i wanna burn with it but i need to buy one yet but yeah mplayer is cool
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18:21<webflex>amphi how do I put in a bigger screen
18:21<amphi>eh?
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18:21<webflex>like full screen in mplayer
18:21<amphi>hit f to toggle fullscreen in mplayer
18:22<maxi>any1 knows how to get sendmail runnning on debian
18:22<maxi>or exim4
18:22<maxi>with a wrapper?
18:22<maxi>i just want to send mail, no need for receive
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18:22<webflex>tks
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18:23<maxi>couldnt find any tutorial with google
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18:33<maxi>well i started my mailer
18:33<maxi>and in the exim4 logs
18:33<maxi>i get for every email adress
18:33<maxi>2009-02-28 12:12:13 1LdN77-0008Gu-CE ** kiwi-banane@gmx.net R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported
18:33<maxi>that the domain isnt local
18:33<maxi>what do i need to change in the exim4 config, and which file exactly?
18:33<maxi>getting desperate with this mailer
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18:35<maxi>anyone?
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18:40<slush>maxi: first, patience is a good thing. Second, while installing exim, did you receive any questions about its configuration?
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18:41<maxi>slush, no
18:41<maxi>i ran the exim4-config
18:42<maxi>package
18:42<maxi>but i didnt really understand the options, it asked me for weird stuff
18:42<valdyn>maxi: use your mua to send mail
18:42<valdyn>maxi: and set exim4 to only handle locale mail
18:42<maxi>mua?
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18:43<valdyn>!mua
18:43<dpkg>somebody said mua was a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program.
18:43<maxi>well
18:43<maxi>it runs on my webserver, the developers of the used php scripts say i need sendmail installed (or atleasta sendmail wrapper) to get the email announcement to work
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18:44<maxi>will a mua also work?
18:44<avtobiff>maxi, no
18:44<maxi>so i need to get exim or postfix to work ?
18:44<franki^>does anyone have an idea what i can do about this http://pastebin.com/m21afc246 ?
18:44<valdyn>maxi: i dont know your php scripts, do they send mail to remote?
18:44<maxi>what you mean with remote
18:44<maxi>they dont use remote mailserver
18:44<maxi>they use the local server as mailserver
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18:44<themill>maxi: you're using the php mail() function are you?
18:44<valdyn>maxi: mail to a non-local destination
18:45<maxi>yes
18:45<maxi>to both
18:45<themill>yuck
18:45<themill>maxi: either exim or postfix will do that for you, but you need to configure them appropriately to do so.
18:46<valdyn>maxi: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, set to send and recieve mail, not satelite system, not local only
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18:46<maxi>valdyn, okay
18:46<maxi>with smarthost?
18:46-!-azeem_ [~mbanck@pD9E1EB86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:46<valdyn>maxi: not with smarthost
18:46<maxi>so the first option
18:46<maxi>over external smtp
18:46<maxi>?
18:47<valdyn>maxi: literally?
18:47<maxi>Internet-Server: Emails get directly send and received over smtp
18:47<maxi>traduced, its not english tho
18:47<valdyn>maxi: yea, that one
18:47<maxi>now he wants
18:47<maxi>Emailname of the system:
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18:47<maxi>shall i put my domain
18:47<maxi>?
18:48<valdyn>maxi: yes, and make it match /etc/mailname if that exists
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18:48<maxi>ok so i put my domain and when the config dialog ends
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18:49<maxi>i need to edit /etc/mailname to the same value
18:49<valdyn>maxi: yea
18:49<maxi>now he wants ips to listen to incoming emails
18:49<maxi>it sais empty list makes all listen
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18:49<maxi>so shall i let empty?
18:49<valdyn>maxi: local only
18:49<valdyn>maxi: i dont know what empty will do
18:49<maxi>127.0.0.1 only?
18:49<valdyn>maxi: yes
18:49<elhobab>hi, please i wana know if there is any good book or tutoriel to learn debian perfectely
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18:50<valdyn>!debian book
18:50<dpkg>For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs/, or Martin Krafft's _The Debian System_. http://debiansystem.info/ or ask me about<learningdebian>
18:50<maxi>valdyn: now he asks for a list of recipicient domains
18:50<elhobab>thanks dpkg
18:50<valdyn>maxi: same as mailname
18:50<valdyn>maxi: and additionally whatever else matches your local host
18:51<maxi>valdyn: done, now he wants an ip list for smarthost feature, he sais i can leave it empty then it won't forward mails
18:52<valdyn>maxi: i dont know that one, but you can leave it empty i think
18:52<maxi>Now he asks if he shall minimize incoming dns quieries
18:52<maxi>"Dial on demand"
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18:52<valdyn>maxi: no
18:53<maxi>valdyn: now he asks for format, Mbox in /var/mail or Maildir format in /home
18:53<maxi>dont got much space left on /var tho
18:53<valdyn>maxi: mbox
18:53<maxi>ok
18:53<valdyn>maxi: then get space
18:53<maxi>^_^
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18:54<maxi>valdyn: now he asks if i want one big config or severa small ones
18:54<valdyn>maxi: you can use Maildir format too if you want, but thats not default in most apps so can possibly add more work for you
18:54<maxi>valdyn: I chose mbox :)
18:54<valdyn>maxi: one big
18:54<maxi>valdyn: now he asks for recipicient of emails for root and postmaster
18:55<valdyn>maxi: which account reads root and postmaster mail
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18:55<maxi>i wont read mail
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18:55<valdyn>maxi: you are on a debian system, you need to read mail
18:55<themill>...
18:55<maxi>valdyn: I got an external mailserver that has the mx records for this domain and all works
18:56<maxi>valdyn: Whatfor? What will happen if i dont read mail? :-o
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18:56<valdyn>maxi: mail is used locally for error messages
18:56<maxi>okay
18:56<valdyn>maxi: for instance by cron
18:56<maxi>im logged in as root
18:56<maxi>over ssh
18:56<maxi>so i guess root?
18:56<valdyn>maxi: and you should not log in as root
18:56<maxi>why not?
18:56<maxi>make an extra user with root priviledges?
18:57<valdyn>maxi: you will know after you fucked your system as root by mistake
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18:57<valdyn>maxi: no
18:57<maxi>okay
18:57<maxi>but its my webserver
18:57<maxi>i mostly need root priviledges
18:57<maxi>but i will make me a new user
18:57<maxi>when that mailstuff works
18:57<valdyn>maxi: make a user, and use root only for specific commands where you really need it
18:57<maxi>thanks for the tip
18:57<valdyn>maxi: you can do alot of admin work as common user
18:57<maxi>okay i will sudo su then
18:57<valdyn>maxi: like reading logs
18:57<maxi>true
18:58<maxi>so what i put there?
18:58<valdyn>maxi: and theres the adm group for reading some logs
18:58<valdyn>maxi: some user you will use in the future instead of root
18:58<maxi>valdyn: there is so much i need to learn about it :S
18:58<maxi>valdyn: i will use Max
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18:58<maxi>valdyn: or is this already used by debian, perhaps for some service?
18:59<valdyn>maxi: nope
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19:00<maxi>valdyn: ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken failed!
19:00<maxi>i post log now
19:00<themill>!paste
19:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:00<maxi>i know, same for coding stuff what i normally do :)
19:00<maxi>2009-02-28 22:47:28 socket bind() to port 25 for address 127.0.0.1 failed: Address already in use: daemon abandoned
19:00<maxi>its just one line
19:01<valdyn>maxi: remove that log file, then restart exim4
19:01<maxi>valdyn: no error now
19:01<maxi>valdyn: WIll it work now?
19:02<valdyn>maxi: read the new paniclog now
19:02<maxi>valdyn: I already undefined sendmail path from php.ini
19:02<maxi>no paniclog
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19:02<maxi>anymore
19:02<valdyn>maxi: good then, the log is just an old error and exim4 only warned because it wasnt empty
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19:02<maxi>okay
19:03<valdyn>maxi: i dont know about that php thing, whyd you undefine it?
19:03<hikenboot>hello all how do i identify which snapshot of a volume is the active one ?
19:03<maxi>because sendmail_path was commented
19:03<maxi>i mean uncommented
19:03<valdyn>maxi: ok
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19:04<maxi>hm
19:04<themill>php shouldn't need to be told where sendmail is
19:04<valdyn>maxi: is it right that you are sending mail only to a specific domain?
19:04<maxi>no
19:04<maxi>i send to many of my users, all got other email domains
19:04<valdyn>maxi: thats probably not going to work nicely
19:04<maxi>valdyn: why?
19:04<valdyn>maxi: is there an mx record?
19:05<maxi>valdyn: yes, but points to a different server
19:05<maxi>valdyn: all works
19:05<valdyn>maxi: you look like a spammer now, thats why
19:05<maxi>valdyn: can send and receive via pop3/smtp over that server
19:05<maxi>i know :(
19:05<valdyn>maxi: you should use that mx record server as smarthost if you can
19:06<valdyn>maxi: i cant know if its setup to allow that
19:06<maxi>valdyn: Obtain an SPF Sender ID for your domain. You must be able to modify your DNS record , theytold me that to prevent my mails getting into the spam trash
19:06<maxi>valdyn: also it doesnt work now, i used a php script that sends a mail, get no mail + no mail send attempt shown in the mainlog file
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19:07<maxi>valdyn: Any idea why?
19:07<valdyn>maxi: send a test mail like "echo "text" | mail -s subject target@foo.bar"
19:07<valdyn>maxi: i can hardly know wtf your php thing does
19:08<maxi>executed
19:08<maxi>waiting a moment then checking mails
19:08<valdyn>maxi: you can already read /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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19:09<maxi>2009-03-01 01:08:30 1LdZEM-0003XR-7E <= root@musikervz.cc U=root P=local S=352
19:09<maxi>2009-03-01 01:08:30 1LdZEM-0003XR-7E => kiwi-banane@gmx.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mx0.gmx.de [213.165.64.100]
19:09<maxi>2009-03-01 01:08:30 1LdZEM-0003XR-7E Completed
19:09<maxi>WEEE
19:09-!-maxi was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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19:09<maxi>lol sry
19:10<maxi>its not even in the spam folder
19:10<maxi>:-)
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19:10<valdyn>maxi: you can try registering at sixxs.net for instance, they wont accept
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19:10<valdyn>maxi: they're rather strict about email
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19:11<maxi>ye
19:11<maxi>http://pastebin.com/dec62ebf
19:11<maxi>i got mostly german users tho
19:11<maxi>see that snippet? that function gets used
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19:12<maxi>valdyn: I think php got a problem, sending emails via phpmailer doesnt give me logs
19:13<valdyn>maxi: exim4 should give you a log
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19:16<maxi>valdyn: sendmail pat hwas wrong
19:16<maxi>valdyn: gives me log now
19:16<maxi>valdyn: altho it only shows 3 addresses and the phpscript keeps working, are about 300 users
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19:18<maxi>http://pastebin.com/m1a203686
19:18<maxi>valdyn: the hotmial thing is clear, wrong domain
19:18<maxi>valdyn: but no idea why it stops
19:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 403] by debhelper
19:19<maxi>valdyn: or is the logfile just for the first emails that are sent?
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19:19<teratoma>what's the program that lets me control another computer's screen from my own ( not vlc )
19:19-!-happyfragga [~happyfrag@77-20-113-66-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #debian
19:19<maxi>vnc
19:19<toaster>vnc
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19:20<toaster>i win
19:20*toaster dances
19:20<maxi>i did
19:20<teratoma>you will never have sex again
19:20<maxi><maxi> vnc
19:20<maxi> <toaster> vnc
19:20<toaster>no... i did
19:20<maxi>?.?
19:20<maxi>i think our ping decided
19:20<toaster>:/
19:20<maxi>lets ask the users
19:20<toaster>got lag?
19:20<maxi>which one was first
19:20<maxi>normally not
19:20*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
19:20<toaster><toaster> vnc
19:20<toaster><maxi> vnc
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19:20<toaster>indeed
19:21<maxi>^_^
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19:22<toaster>lame
19:23<teratoma>it's like the special olympics in here
19:23<maxi>valdyn: any idea how i could check it?
19:23<goodxandros>lol teratoma
19:23<toaster>so i'm installing wine and aptitude is telling me that i have to install all these other packages that look like they have nothing to do with wine. here is the paste. http://paste.debian.net/29469/
19:23<toaster>it's more a aptitude question than a wine question. besides, the people in winehq weren't any help
19:23<toaster>maxi: check what?
19:23<teratoma>synergy is what i was looking for
19:23<toaster>maxi: nm
19:23<maxi>toaster: why ma mails dont get sent
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19:24<toaster>i dont use mail
19:24<toaster>sry
19:24<toaster>are you connecting the right smtp server?
19:24<toaster>all your credentials accurate?
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19:24<toaster>stalker~
19:24<valdyn>maxi: the eror should be at the php mailer
19:24*toaster hides
19:24<valdyn>maxi: not exim
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19:25<maxi>hmm okay
19:25<coniptor>Anyone here very familiar with LUKS dm-crypt?
19:25<teratoma>just ask your question
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19:26<coniptor>I can mount my cryptroot with 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem and 2.6.26-bpo.1-amd64 but not my custom compiled kernel. I get an error that seems to indicate a block size mismatch.
19:26<coniptor>The question is
19:26<toaster>coniptor: go away
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19:27<teratoma>coniptor: do you have dm_crypt compiled into your kernel ?
19:27<coniptor>if I run cryptsetup status cryptroot. cryptroot being /dev/md2 and blockdev --getsize /dev/md2 shouldn't the size reported by both match exactly?
19:27<teratoma>oh nevermind, wrong problem
19:28<coniptor>teratoma: I've tried it compiled as a module and compiled directly in. It's the same error either way.
19:28<toaster>coniptor: didn't you have a different problem yesterday?
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19:28<toaster>coniptor: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506634
19:28<coniptor>toaster: no, same
19:28<toaster>read that linky
19:28<toaster>worked for me
19:29<coniptor>toaster: I am not using lvm
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19:29<coniptor>luks on top of a raid1 pair
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19:29<toaster>where does your system fail for you? at what point?
19:30<coniptor>again if anyone can confirm: if I run cryptsetup status cryptroot. cryptroot being /dev/md2 and blockdev --getsize /dev/md2 shouldn't the size reported by both match exactly?
19:30<goodxandros>my linux is fried lol
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19:30<steffan>what's a small FTP package that I can install on a server to FTP to it?
19:31<coniptor>toaster: during the initramfs right after my three mirror disks md0 md1 and md2 are successfully brought up and I have entered the passphrase to the passphrase prompt
19:32<maxi>http://pastebin.com/d4f15d0e
19:32<maxi>anyone sees an error here?
19:32<coniptor>can luksOpen fail if the modues are not loaded in a particular order even if they are all loaded?
19:32<maxi>a php coder?
19:32<coniptor>I would not think so.
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19:32<goodxandros>i have my external hdd mounted as media and formatted to linux and i set the permissions with chmod -R 777 /media/D: but still no real permissions seem to work well enoughf
19:33<goodxandros>and my file manager seems to close out on me when i go to ue it sometimes
19:34<goodxandros>use*
19:34<themill>toaster: try installing without recommends (-R)
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19:34<toaster>coniptor: can you paste the output
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19:34<goodxandros>this is a shitty distro thoe
19:34<toaster>themill: same
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19:35<goodtime>that my real nick
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19:35<themill>toaster: can you pastebin that?
19:36<coniptor>toaster: no, paste the output of what particularly?
19:36<toaster>themill: http://paste.debian.net/29470/
19:36<coniptor>toaster: I have it written down and can type it up but that is abut it.
19:36<coniptor>s/abut/about
19:36<toaster>coniptor: what you are seeing right after you enter your passphrase
19:36<themill>toaster: you fail at cases. -R != -r
19:37<toaster>...
19:37<toaster>heh
19:37<toaster>themill for the win
19:37<toaster>thx
19:37<themill>toaster: no worries.
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19:39<coniptor>toaster: The error varies between kernel builds. I have three different errors I have recorded all slightly similar
19:40<toaster>did you try googling the output?
19:40<toaster>have you typed either up?
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19:42<coniptor>toaster: I have searched google for each error
19:42<coniptor>toaster: I'm typing it up now.
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19:44<toaster>themill: http://paste.debian.net/29471/
19:44<toaster>sry. disregard that
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19:46<toaster>themill: wait yeah. http://paste.debian.net/29471/ dont see why i need cups
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19:50<fenix_>oi
19:50<toaster>coniptor: when did this start? after an upgrade to lenny?
19:50<toaster>it tastes like burning
19:50<fenix_>oi
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19:50<coniptor>toaster: no, I'm still on etch. About to update to lenny with etch backed up to my previous ide root
19:51<toaster>lenny uses 2.6.26
19:52<coniptor>toaster: can rsync back to etch if need be and if lenny upgrade is clean I can rsync lenny over the etch backup and continue working this issue if I still have it in lenny with custom compiled kernels. I can boot to cryptroot with debian's kernels just not my custom compiled kernels. The weird thing is I cannot just pull source from ftp.us.kernel.org and use one of debian's .config files from the working kernels linux-headers package.
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19:53<toaster>you can boot to cryptroot with the backport kernel. not with stable
19:53<coniptor>toaster: Near as I can tell some of the errors were from missing modules but when I have all the needed modules I still have an error that seems to point to a size mismatch between the tfm and block cipher.
19:53<toaster>right?
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19:54<coniptor>toaster: I can boot from debian's kernels 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem and 2.6.26-bpo.1-amd64
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19:54<toaster>what about 2.6.26-1-686
19:55<toaster>or 2.6.26-1-686-amd64 if that's your case
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19:56<midas>if i ever have to do this again, remind me not to.
20:00<coniptor>toaster: I have not tried either of those
20:00<coniptor>toaster: http://paste.debian.net/29472/
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20:03<coniptor>toaster: however if I add of the offset sectors they match up.
20:04<coniptor>toaster: also
20:04<coniptor>toaster: dmsetup ls shows:
20:04<midas>my first lenny setup, it's like popping my cherry all over again
20:04<coniptor>toaster: cryptroot (253, 0)
20:04<coniptor>toaster: so all my errors are regarding essiv and the Sequence Number IV Generator it seems
20:05<coniptor>each time due to a mismatch in size of the block cipher.
20:05<coniptor>I find all these errors in dm-crypt.c in drivers/md of the source
20:07<toaster>midas: ur a chick?
20:07<midas>nope
20:11<toaster>coniptor: have you tried these solutions? http://readthefuckingmanual.net/error/491/
20:11<coniptor>toaster: yes
20:12<coniptor>toaster: Going to try them all again though as I did each of them of different days and can't say 100% for sure that I did not miss something
20:12<toaster>hmm. yeah. i was just googling. dont really know that much about encrypted volumes
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20:13<simonrvn>toaster: why would that matter anyway?
20:13<coniptor>toaster: In all cases however I had those modules compiled in to the kernel or as modules in the initramfs I also tried recompiling cryptsetup like suggested at the bottom thinking it could be some kind of symbol mismatch in a library or something
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20:15<toaster>simonrvn: why would what matter?
20:16<simonrvn>whether or not midas was female
20:16<toaster><midas> my first lenny setup, it's like popping my cherry all over again
20:16<toaster>just seemed like the logical follow-up question
20:16<toaster>*shrug*
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20:18<simonrvn>oh, didn't see that, my bad.
20:20<midas>hehe
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20:31<midas>woah, sleep deprivation is bad.
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20:31<midas>'after this blahblah 29.4GB of space will be sued.'
20:31<midas>used
20:31<pmitros>I have a question. I just set up a multiscreen setup with xdmx that has a total of 4880 pixels wide. I noticed several problems with this -- one is that, practically, I need to pick up and move the mouse 8 times to go from the far left to the far right, which makes it almost useless. I was wondering if there's some window manager or extension or something that would let me jump the mouse quickly (e.g. I hold down ctrl for super-accelera
20:32<pmitros>center of screen to center of screen)
20:32<Tekno>:-D
20:32<Tekno>nice
20:32<dondelelcaro>pmitros: I'd personally suggest a window manager that does warping
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20:32<midas>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/21
20:32<dondelelcaro>pmitros: and you may want to increase your acceleration factor slightly
20:33<midas>you can do that with xset m 2 2
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20:35<pmitros>Apparently, I didn't set it up very well... it just crashed.
20:36*pmitros googles mouse warping
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20:39<midas>good night chan :)
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20:45<toaster>can a deb for ubuntu be installed on debian?
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20:46<dondelelcaro>toaster: yes, but you shouldn't.
20:46<dondelelcaro>toaster: recompile it against Debian if you must, but ideally, just use Debian packages
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20:48<toaster>i dont see a debian package for flashplayer
20:48<dmoerner>toaster, /msg dpkg adobe flash
20:48<dondelelcaro>toaster: you want flashplugin-nonfree, swfdec-mozilla, or mozilla-plugin-gnash, or similar
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20:58<toaster>sound is coming through my usb headset in stead of my speakers
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20:59<dondelelcaro>toaster: that's because the usb headset is the default alsa output device
21:00<toaster>alsaconfig?
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21:01<toaster>dondelelcaro?
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21:02<toaster>nm
21:03<dondelelcaro>toaster: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026
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21:10<jp>#Ubuntu
21:11<Tekno>#debian
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21:21<goodtime>paul harvey died today
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22:09<marcos>dfdfd
22:10<abrotman>erere
22:10<marcos>mmmm
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22:11<zmonroe>Ok, so I have a Dual Boot System with Vista/Debian, If i reformat my Vista partition and go back to XP, thats gonna effect my boot loader right?
22:12<goodger>zmonroe: yes, you will be obliged to reinstall grub to the affected disk
22:12<goodger>this will not be painful or difficult, but it will require the use of a livecd of some kind that is the same arch as your debian install
22:12<zmonroe>ok, thats what I thought... And I would be able to do that from the live CD that I installed from right
22:13<zmonroe>thank god I have several systems.
22:13<abrotman>or teach XP how to boot debian
22:14<zmonroe>I'm good... I just am slowly making the the swap, my Mac runs debian, my Second box is running debian, my main box dual boots.. my laptop is gonna be the last refuge of windows in my house...
22:15<goodger>zmonroe: you could just burn the livecd prior
22:15<zmonroe>I have a live cd...
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22:16<kop>What's a quick shell script that takes a text file as input and outputs each word on a separate line?
22:16<abrotman>kop: ask #bash
22:16<abrotman>erm .. #bash on freenode
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22:17<kop>abrotman : Thanks.
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22:33<kop>abrotman : I came up with : cat foo | tr ' ' $'\n' and then did further stuff like sort -u.
22:33<abrotman>seems reasonable
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22:47<Aleric>What is wrong in this /etc/sudoers line?
22:47<Aleric>firewalladmin ALL = NOPASSWD: /etc/firewall/tmp/ansset.fw
22:47<Aleric>If I run 'sudo /etc/firewall/tmp/ansset.fw' as user firewalladmin it still asks me for a password! :/
22:50<panfist>does anyone know what (s) means next to a device in mdstat?
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22:52<panfist>from http://linux-raid.osdl.org/index.php/Mdstat:
22:52<panfist>"[n/m] means that ideally the array would have m devices however, currently, n devices are in use. Obviously when n == m then things are good. " My mdstat is showing [6/5], so ideally my array would have 5 devices but 6 are in use? that doesnt make any sense
22:54<blarson>panfist: sounds like you have a hot spare
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22:54<panfist>that's definitely not what i intended when i created the array just now
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22:55<panfist>i created the array with: "mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=6 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 --spare-devices=0
22:56<panfist>i created the array earlier today and it synced, but when it was done it said one of the drives had failed...but i checked them out with SMART and they all passed....so i re-created the array, and now I get this weird [6/5] thing going on
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23:47<zmonroe>how do I mount a NTFS drive?
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23:49<blarson>!tell zmonroe about ntfs
23:50<goodtime>in debian zmonroe
23:51<goodtime>i would reformat it to linux first
23:51<goodtime>then mount it as media
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23:53<goodtime>then chmod -R 777 /media/whatever thhe drive is ...for permissions on it
23:55<goodtime>you can cat /proc/fstab to format and also mount it
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