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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-04

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00:09<serhat>any girl want talk!
00:09<dr|z3d>serhat: You've come to the WRONG place.
00:10<serhat>shout up
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00:14<sudobash>hey is there a way to open a terminal on the X server from my ssh session so I can use the write command?
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00:23<matheus>hi
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00:29<snogglethorpe>shout up?
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00:48<ramortegui>\list
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01:06<Lazha>does anyone know if x-chat has a way of showing current bandwidth ?
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01:20<Steven_M>hi all
01:21<Steven_M>what's the best way to get an output of all the installed packages who have "gstreamer" as part of their name?
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01:22<jm_>apt-cache/aptitude/grep-available/...
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01:24<Steven_M>jm_: but won't that include not-installed packages
01:25<jm_>Steven_M: ohh sorry missed that, in that case it's aptitude/grep-status
01:25<jm_>and dpkg :)
01:28<Steven_M>jm_: and aren't thoses dashes out of place? That looks like a directory structure
01:28<jm_>Steven_M: what dashes?
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01:29<Steven_M>jm_: sorry, these /
01:29<jm_>Steven_M: that's a slash and it's supposed to be a sign for an alternative
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01:31<Steven_M>jm_: Ohh, very sorry
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01:35<tristan>Quick Question:
01:35<insaneNproud>sorry threw the laptop
01:35<insaneNproud>can anybody help me out with unetbootin
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01:36<jm_>looks like no one can
01:36<tristan>in Lenny, Realtek 8101E onboard ethernet, I have to reinstall the driver r8101 every restart, otherwise ifconfig doesn't show eth0
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01:36<tristan>any idea why?
01:37<jm_>you mean modprobe?
01:37<Steven_M>jm_: so your suggesting I do aptitude|grep dpkg gstreamer
01:37<jm_>Steven_M: no, the command would be aptitude search '~i ~ngstreamer'
01:38<tristan>jm: I use make install
01:38<ene>guten morgen
01:39<jm_>tristan: so you're using third party driver then?
01:39<tristan>jm: yes
01:39<Steven_M>jm_: ok thanks heaps :)
01:40<tristan>jm: I just did modprobe r8101... should that fix the issue you think?
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01:40<jm_>tristan: no, why aren't you using a kernel driver for it?
01:41<jm_>tristan: what's its PCI ID? use lspci -nn to find out
01:41<gsimmons>tristan: Your device should be supported by the r8169 driver in Lenny, AFAIK.
01:42<jm_>r8169 has lots of issues and there's an out of tree source available from kernel maintainer for it - I recommend you install that if you have issues with 2.6.26 version
01:42<tristan>jm: lspci returns 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
01:42<jm_>tristan: the important part was -nn switch :)
01:42<tristan>ah
01:43<tristan>;)
01:43<jm_>but no worries I found it in pci.ids
01:43<tristan>gsimmons: r8169 didn't work for some reason
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01:43<jm_>tristan: see above about r8169 - looks like many people have problems with it
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01:43<tristan>jm: the driver r8101 works... I just have to reinstall every restart
01:44<jm_>tristan: who knows why, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out - just get the r8169 driver
01:44<tristan>jm: wierd thing is
01:45<tristan>jm: 1) I had that previously, 2) I need to rmmod r8169 every restart as well
01:46<tristan>otherwise eth0 doesn't show up on ifconfig
01:46<jm_>tristan: but does it get loaded before you manually do modprobe?
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01:47<tristan>jm: yes it (r8169) does get loaded before any modprobe
01:48<tristan>jm: I am going to restart to see if "modprobe r8101" did anything
01:48<tristan>jm: If I understand correctly, that "inserts" the driver into the kernel? (I am a neophyte)
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01:49<jm_>tristan: wait
01:49<jm_>tristan: check dmesg after first insertion, and before you manually run modprobe
01:49<jm_>tristan: here's the driver -- http://userweb.kernel.org/~romieu/r8169/
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02:06<Steven_M>I've got libgstreamer0.10-0 installed, would that make me vulnerable to the issues in this Security Advisory?: http://debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1729
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02:27<pinglin>hi. I need web test tool under debian. Are there any tools like are under windows?
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02:29<pinglin>eg autoit, wapt...
02:29<pinglin>?
02:29<Guest511>hi can anyone tell me what i can do to finish my linux flashdisk (it stops by 99%)
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02:47<Guest511>hi can anyone tell me what i can do to finish my linux flashdisk (it stops by 99%)
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02:51<u774477p>word
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02:57<ene>is später
02:57<ene>bis später
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04:03<LinuxMint-Cholo>hey ive got a (wat should be) simple question about linux mint, can anyone help that has used it before?
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04:04<jm_>!tell LinuxMint-Cholo -about mint
04:05<LinuxMint-Cholo>will the bot answer now?
04:05<LinuxMint-Cholo>...jm_?
04:05<jm_>it already told you about it
04:05<peej>what is the recommended dvd writing program for lenny? I want to make debian installation dvds
04:06<jm_>peej: I recommend growisofs
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04:11<peej>thanks jm. btw, the time problem I had yesterday was bios related
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04:12<jm_>peej: right, it just put you off thinking it's timezone issue since the difference was the same
04:12<jm_>it occured to me later
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04:13<peej>are k3b and brasero nice heavy duty gui frontends to growisofs?
04:13<jm_>yeah k3b does recommend growisofs
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04:13<jm_>(or rather dvd+rw-tools)
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04:14<CQ>hello, quick backup question, when backing up DBs, where is a 'normal' place to keep those backups, a user dir, a /usr/local/backup dir, a /var/backup dir, or where?
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04:15*peej wonders if there is a LFS recommendation for backup locations.
04:17<CQ> /var/backup seems to be used a lot
04:18<petemc>a sensible place is on another machine or at least another disk
04:19<CQ>sure, I mirror the whole thing externally anyway, I just want to know where I can ger cron to stick the mysqldump...
04:19<petemc>anywhere you like
04:20<CQ>ok, where I _should_ get cron ... :)
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04:25<Clunix>hello
04:26<Clunix>can someone be of help?? I istalled Debian Lenny and lost my usb ports
04:26<djc>Did you check in the box?
04:26<Clunix>can anyone know why?
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04:26<djc>Perhaps they roller under the bed?
04:26<djc>rolled*
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04:26<Clunix>ahahahah thats funny...
04:27<Clunix>dumb ass
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04:27<djc>Uhm, thats a great way to respond to people who might be able to help. Good luck finding your 'lost' USB ports then
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04:28<Tekno>fail
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04:29<djc>Becuase after all, anyone that makes jokes in IRC is being an ass, and everyone will spontaneously know why something has happened on *your* PC without any additional information at all
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04:42<InkBottle>virtual packages are not treated by apt-cache show <linux_image for instance>?
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04:43<test1>hello all
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04:43<test1>why we cannot do some ping when all of networking is OK ?
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04:44<buffoon_work>test1, do you have a firewall configured which blocks ping or icmp packages?
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04:55<andrea>hi
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05:12<test1>jasgdj
05:12<test1>kjashgedkqwgekjq
05:13<Tekno>anything else?
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05:18<fastidio>hi all
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05:18<fastidio>anybody knows when kde4 come in sid?
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05:19<fastidio>maybe somebody?
05:20<jm_>read the topic of #debian-kde
05:21<fastidio>gracias
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05:25<andrew_>Is there a dns expert in the house?
05:25<andrew_>I'm having a strange problem at the moment, iceweasel and traceroute cant resolve hosts but ping and konqueror can.
05:26<andrew_>this is strange
05:26<scientes>how can i list packages on one system and then install the same set on another system
05:26<jm_>does getent work?
05:26<scientes>and then transfer over configurationgs
05:26<jm_>!tell scientes -about package reselect
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05:31<Steven_M>to add lenny backports, do I just add backports to the main source line like this: deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free backports
05:32<weasel>no
05:32<noflash>!tell Steven_M -about backports
05:32<weasel>see http://www.backports.org/
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05:54<InkBottle>how do I know what video driver is used?
05:54<jm_>video driver for what?
05:54<buffoon_work>try /var/log/Xorg.0.log
05:54<buffoon_work>for X
05:55<InkBottle>buffoon_work: yes but what I look for?
05:55<jm_>grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:57<InkBottle>Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so
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05:57<InkBottle>then how do I switch between nv and nvidia. (I already installed nvidia)
05:58<jm_>specify driver nvidia in xorg.conf
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05:59<InkBottle>jm_: but currently it contains no reference at all to any driver. you know this kind of dummy xorg.conf we have now.
05:59<jm_>InkBottle: yeah, just add it yourself
06:00<InkBottle>I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it hasn't asked me any question about video and didn't wrote anything new in xorg.conf
06:00<InkBottle>jm_: Ok i do it
06:00<jm_>section device is for Driver "nvidia"
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06:19<jrodger>Evening all
06:21<sepone>i am on a machine that i just now upgraded from etch to lenny. and the kernel 2.6.26 fail to find the volumegroups. it's just stuck waiting for them when booting. i have recreted the initrd without change. i see a log line indicating dm_mod have loaded. what else is requiered for the kernel to find the lvm volumes ? or must they be upgraded somehow ?
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06:34<ojirio>hi, can anyone estimate how long it would take to fix evolution,evince,file-roller in unstable? (just say in terms of hours? days? weeks? or even months?)
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06:35<Maulkin>ojirio: not really.
06:36<Maulkin>Ask the maintainers?
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06:37<sepone>that will ofcourse make it take longer since he have to answer your mail instead of doing the work :)
06:38<ojirio>well if it was in terms of weeks it may help the cause :)
06:41<sepone>in the initram vgchange is present, but no other lvm tools
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06:42<buffoon_work>is there a possibility to open a shell inside vim? not like the :sh command... I'd like to split and then have a shell on one side and the file I'm editing at the other
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06:45<sepone>buffoon_work, how about using screen and the split command and load vim in one of them ?
06:45<buffoon_work>screen can split? cool... never knew that
06:45<buffoon_work>thx for pointing that out
06:46<sepone>http://aperiodic.net/screen/quick_reference
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06:49<Junior01>buffoon_work install vimsh: Terminal/Shell buffer for vim
06:50<jm_>buffoon_work: shell-window help in vim explains this too (screen and splitvt)
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06:56<buffoon_work>ok, thx guys... i'm saving this at some place =)
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07:11<hector>hello
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07:17<sepone>i notice that i get the message vg_system not found before the scsi devices that the volume groups are detected. why are the order backwards and now can i from the initrd retrigger a volume group scan ? and how to make the initram do it in the right order ?
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07:19<jm_>perhaps you could increase the timeout
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07:23<sepone>but if that was the issue should i not be able to vgchange -a y in the initram and find the lvm's ?
07:23<sepone>it works fine in 2.6.18
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07:24<jm_>to be honest, I have no clue about lvm - compare the outputs (new versions of initramfs can dump lots of debugging info)
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07:26<jm_>another thing to check is if it included all the right modules in the initrd (changelog suggests it does that but ...)
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07:29<sepone>jm_, i have not found modules missing tho unless they changed name from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26
07:29<jm_>sepone: how did you check?
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07:29<sepone>jm_, just comparing lsmod
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07:32<jm_>sepone: so you're seeing all the devices in /sys/block?
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07:33<Shnitzel>hello
07:33<Shnitzel>anyone online ?
07:33<Shnitzel>who could help me ?
07:33<djc>!asking
07:33<dpkg>if you have a question, don't ask "does anybody know about foo", don't ask if you can ask it... just ask it.. if somebody knows, they'll answer :) Just don't repeat your question
07:33<sepone>not looked at that. only looked at /proc/partitions and in 2.6.18 i see them all. and in the initram i only see the scsi devices sdaX and sbdX but not dm-X
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07:34<Shnitzel>ok :)
07:34<Shnitzel>i`ve just installed debian 5.0 and i can`t change my screen rezolution , those fields from screen rezolution are blank
07:34<Shnitzel>does anyone know how can i change it ?
07:34<Tekno>xrandr is a friend
07:35<djc>Shnitzel, how/where are you trying
07:35<djc>what 'fields' are blank? where?
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07:35<Shnitzel>nu-i nici un roman ?
07:35<Shnitzel>any romanian ?
07:35<Tekno>!ro
07:35<Shnitzel>i`m not that good at english ..
07:36<djc>Tekno, apparently not
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07:36<Shnitzel>Tekno esti roman ?
07:36<djc>I suspect that if anyone did, they would have spoken up already
07:36<Shnitzel>djc ok
07:37<djc>Bănuiesc că dacă cineva a făcut, l-ar fi vorbit deja sus
07:37<Shnitzel>djc i understood that :)
07:37<djc>(Folosind Google pentru a traduce din limba engleză)
07:37<craigevil>!debian-ro
07:38<Tekno>aici nu este romane, dar poate fi in alta parte.
07:38<djc>craigevil, yeah, we tried that already, apparently there isnt one
07:38<Shnitzel>tekno where ?
07:38<Shnitzel>i haw another question , i`m in console now
07:38<djc>http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23debian-ro&net=OFTC
07:38<Shnitzel>how do i get back to desktop ?
07:39<djc>oh wait.. thats here
07:39<streuner>dondelelcaro: dpkg isnt here...
07:39<djc>there apparently isnt one
07:39<jm_>how did you leave the desktop?
07:39<Shnitzel>someone told me to press CTRL+ALT+F1
07:39<djc>!en
07:39<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
07:39<djc>dpkg is here
07:39<dpkg>no idea, djc
07:39<jm_>press alt-f7
07:39<streuner>hm
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07:39<djc>he just doesnt know about a debian irc channel
07:39<djc>if its supposed to be #debian-ro on irc, then there isnt one anymore
07:40<djc>I joined it and was the only/first/op user
07:40<djc>er on oftc
07:40<streuner>dondelelcaro: Tekno didnt get any respond for "!ro", but the bot is here...
07:40<Tekno>wut
07:40<djc>streuner, that means there is no "!to" stored in the bot
07:40<djc>!foo
07:40<dpkg>foo is, like, probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
07:40<djc>oh bah
07:41<djc>!wt
07:41<Tekno>!debian-ro
07:41<djc>see, no response for that either
07:41<djc>it just means the bot doesnt have any info for that
07:41<streuner>ok
07:41<sepone>jm_, same with /sys/block in the initramfs the sda and sdb is present but not dm
07:41<jm_>sepone: was it sda/sdb in 2.6.18 too?
07:42<djc>Shnitzel, anyway, if you need any further help, we'll have to muddle along as best you/we can in english
07:42<sepone>aye
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07:42<aurelian>i`m back
07:42<aurelian>thanks for that :)
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07:43<sepone>but i have noticed the gdth driver panics the kernel a few times befoore it boots. it looks like this server raid card have a regression atlest it looks that was for 2.6.24 when i google but i foind nothing about it beeing fixed in 2.6.26 or not
07:43<sepone>a inter server raid card
07:43<jm_>sepone: does vgscan find anything?
07:43<jm_>ahh well then that might be it
07:43<sepone>there is no vgscan in the initramfs only vgchange
07:43<sepone>and when i run vgchange -a y it find snothing
07:44<sepone>pretty bad regressions tho this is typical server hardware
07:45<jm_>try 2.6.28 kernel
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07:46<aurelian_>my internet connection is weak
07:46<djc>feed it spinach
07:47<aurelian_>anyone did saw what i wrote ?
07:47<djc>not other than 'i'm back'
07:47<aurelian_>ok
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07:48<jm_>there goes wiener schnitzel
07:48<aurelian_>so , i tried to change the rezolution from System -> Prefences -> Screen Rezolutions
07:48<djc>uh.. i think aurelian is/was schnitzel?
07:48<aurelian_>yes
07:48<aurelian_>:)
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07:49<ShoesLife>DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR WHAT?
07:49<djc>aurelian, try to stick with the same nick, sowe can tell who you are
07:49<aurelian_>ok
07:49<djc>aurelian, ok, and you dont have any options there?
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07:49<aurelian_>no
07:49<aurelian_>nothing
07:49<djc>you might need to recongize xorg
07:49<djc>er
07:49<djc>reconfigure
07:50<aurelian_>how ?
07:50<Sadneophyte>I got a strange bug in lenny... kde I can't get the option in windows behavior 'windows transverse desktops' to work
07:50<ShoesLife>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sorg
07:50<ShoesLife>*xorg
07:50<aurelian_>my screen shutdown every 3 min ..
07:50<Sadneophyte>any ideas or comments?
07:50<jm_>run xrandr in terminal - how many resolutions does it list?
07:50<djc>aurelian, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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07:51<djc>jm_, hey thats interesting
07:51<djc>hadnt seen that befor
07:51<djc>e
07:51<Neox>salve
07:51<djc>!it
07:51<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:52<ShoesLife>e!pt
07:52<ShoesLife>!pt
07:52<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
07:52<aurelian_>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 1600 x 1200
07:52<aurelian_>default connected
07:52<aurelian_> 1600x1200 0.0
07:52<aurelian_> 1400x1050 0.0
07:52<aurelian_> 1280x1024 0.0
07:52<aurelian_> 1024x768 0.0
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07:52<Neox>tnx
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07:52<djc>sigh
07:52<djc>!pasting
07:52<aurelian_>ah :)
07:52<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
07:52<aurelian_>i have 10 screen rezolutions ..
07:53<aurelian_>jm_
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07:53<jm_>aurelian_: ok then
07:53<aurelian_>what do i do now ?
07:53<jm_>what do you *want* to do?
07:53<animesh>any nosip intern here???
07:54<ShoesLife>am i online?
07:54<djc>ShoesLife, END OF LINE
07:54<animesh>jm_ or aurelian _ shoeslife is any one of u nosip interns??
07:55<djc>wtf is nosip
07:55<animesh>or anyone how is a nosip intern?
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07:55<hjb>hi there
07:56<djc>hjb, where?!
07:56<aurelian_>maybe my video card is not installed ..
07:56<aurelian_>how do i install it ?
07:56<hjb>djc :)
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07:56<djc>aurelian_, id suggest using one of the pastebin sites to paste your whole xraanr output
07:56<hjb>i'm searching for a tool which logs the processes on my system
07:56<djc>pastebin.com is good
07:56<djc>hjb, if you are running debian linux, look in /var/log
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07:57<djc>most everything logs to something in there.. /var/log/messages is good
07:57<djc>!google nosip
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07:57<djc>heh
07:57<hjb>like, pid X started pid Y . Y lasted for n seconds...
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07:58<djc>it comes up as some sort of novell program
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07:58<jm_>you can use strace to get such info
07:59<djc>not sure if you'd want it doing that for every pid on the system tho
07:59<jm_>indeed
07:59<djc>why do you want to log every process that runs?
07:59<hjb>djc i just want it to run for a short period of time to know how some mysterious processes running are created
07:59<djc>mysterious?!
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08:00<hjb>djc i'm starting two skripts from within my .xsessionrc
08:00<jm_>then there's process accounting
08:00<djc>you could try ps axjf to see a 'tree' of processes with parent processes
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08:00<hjb>after a hibernation or restart of my wm, there are a lot more instances running
08:00<djc>ps axjfww might be better
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08:01<djc>perhaps they don't get terminated when it stops/hibernates
08:01<djc>and when it restarts/unsleeps, they get started again
08:02<jm_>instances of what - wm?
08:02<hjb>jm_ of the skripts started during xsession startup
08:03<hjb>djc that's what i'm guessing here, too
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08:03<jm_>hjb: that makes no sense - are you saying your X server gets restarted when you suspend the machine?
08:03<hjb>djc that's why i want to log processes during hibernate to see if that's true
08:03<jm_>you can't do that - hibernation stops everything
08:04<hjb>jm_ no, it doesn't. that's why it would make no sense that the .xsessionrc is processed after hibernation
08:04<hjb>but it seems to be
08:04<hjb>or something else starts those skript
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08:04<jm_>hjb: are you using GNOME or KDE or somesuch?
08:04<hjb>jm_ awesome
08:05<jm_>hjb: does it do the same with other window managers?
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08:06<hjb>jm_ i haven't checked so far
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08:06<mivok>Hello. Do you know if Debian 5 Lenny has wvdial by default?
08:06<hjb>jm_ i know that hibernation stops everything, but if there would be process logging available, i'd be able to determine what happens directly after wakeup
08:06<hjb>jm_ do you understand?
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08:08<jm_>hjb: resume calls a few more ioctl-s
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08:10<hjb>jm_ ioctls? how should that create more instances of my skripts?
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08:11<jm_>hjb: that's why I said this makes no sense, I am trying to recall about some issues with s2disk that someone reported on lkml, but I can't :( - it was something that was corrupted, but I don't remember if it was process list
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08:13<scientes>how do i get locales to work right
08:13<scientes>i removed some local data and i want to set it to en_US
08:14<jm_>did you generate it?
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08:15<jm_>!tell scientes -about locales
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08:16<hjb>jm_ ok, so there is no process logging available on linux, right? Then i have to find some other way to investigate this further :-(
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08:16<hjb>jm_ thanks so far
08:16<jm_>hjb: like I said, there is BSD process accounting
08:17<hjb>jm_ hmm, must have missed that
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08:17<hjb>jm_ what is BSD process accounting?
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08:18<jm_>hjb: apt-cache show acct
08:19<hjb>jm_ yeah, thanks :-) found it, too
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08:20<djc>http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rnr/1058559219.html
08:20<djc>hilarious
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08:23<jm_>hjb: but I doubt this will help you - it was just what I thought about when I read your initial question/description
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08:31<scientes>its not working
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08:31<scientes>i have en_US.UTF-8 and set that as default
08:31<scientes>but perl is still cmplaining, maybe a relogin?
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08:32<jm_>is it in /etc/locale.gen?
08:32<scientes>ah that did it
08:32<scientes>relogin
08:32<jm_>probably jsut changing it to C and back to en_US would do the trick too
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08:36<stevem_>Hi, new Debian 5 install (gnome CD1 only - usual settings) for some reason all single clicks are being treated as double clicks
08:36<stevem_>any suggestions?
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08:39<djc>testing
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09:02<frenchy>is there a way to get nautilus to say how many MB/s you are copying something at?
09:02<knoppix__>hello
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09:03<Guest553>ok
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09:13<frenchy>ok does anyone know if it is possible to create split rar archives with file-roller 2.22
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09:19<djc>why on earth yo would *create* a rar?
09:19<djc>unix world - .tar.gz
09:19<djc>windows world - .zip
09:20<djc>osx world - see unix world, or use 'stuffit'
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09:20<djc>i mean, its all great to be able to unrar if for some oddball reason something you need is in one, but why perpetuate it
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09:21<frenchy>djc, theres a torrent site i use that has to have split rars
09:21<djc>bittorrent does not require rar
09:21<valdyn>what a retarded site
09:21<djc>any site that requires *rar* is insane
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09:21<valdyn>warez come as rar because they need to get across newsgroups
09:21<djc>perhaps it has a filesize limit, but I doubt it specifically requires *rar* format
09:22<frenchy>djc, i don't like doing it either but they have good stuff :p
09:22<valdyn>but creating a rar for torrent is pretty stupid
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09:22<djc>zip supports splitting files..
09:22<frenchy>djc, they dont allow zip
09:22<djc>perhaps they 'suggest' rar as a way to make a split archive to fit their filesize
09:22<djc>whats the site.. this I have to see
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09:22<valdyn>frenchy: you can use rar -v -m0
09:22<frenchy>www.ilovetorrents.com
09:23<valdyn>frenchy: mind the m0 for compressed data
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09:23<frenchy>valdyn, is that for creating split rars
09:24<valdyn>frenchy: yes, nearly
09:24<valdyn>frenchy: -v takes the chunk size as argument
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09:24<frenchy>valdyn, they have to be specific sizes
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09:26<jm_>so specify the size, read the man page
09:26<valdyn>rar is convoluted enough to take bytes as default
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09:28<djc>well I regsitered, but apparently I can't even try to upload at all, so cant find the 'rar uploads only' bit
09:28<djc>in any case, thats an asinine restriction
09:28<valdyn>djc: you dont need to register
09:29<valdyn>"All files need to be compressed into properly sized rar archives."
09:29<frenchy>djc, it should be in the FAQs on how to upload but you cant upload until you have uploaded 10gigs
09:29<djc>i didnt appear to be able to do anything without registering
09:29<djc>uh
09:29<djc>e-read what you just said
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09:29<djc>re*
09:30<frenchy>has anyone tried out ext4?
09:30<djc>thats not in the faq im looking at
09:30<valdyn>djc: its in the RULES, not the FAQ
09:30<djc>frenchy, so are you really saying that new users are not able to upload until they have uploaded 10gigs?
09:31<djc>so how does one upload 10gigs if one cannot upload at all?
09:31<valdyn>djc: upload refers to .torrent files
09:31<valdyn>djc: not to uploading in general
09:31<frenchy>djc, yes, or if you donate money i think
09:32<frenchy>djc, i mean submitting torrents
09:32<frenchy>sorry
09:32<frenchy>valdyn, the rules, good call
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09:34<djc>Well its still asinine, regardless of where it is
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09:35<frenchy>omg im reading whats new in Ubuntu Jaunty and they have disabled ctrl + alt + backspace so people don't accidentally trigger it
09:35<frenchy>valdyn, do you know any good private torrent sites that have open registration at the moment?
09:36<valdyn>frenchy: this is a debian channel
09:36<frenchy>valdyn, sorry i just thought it was funny
09:37<valdyn>frenchy: it is, but trading warez or warez sites is not
09:37<frenchy>sorry
09:37<valdyn>frenchy: thats just offtopic
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09:38<frenchy>is there something wrong with update manager, i have no problem with used the terminal but update manager always crashes and wants to partial upgrade
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09:50<jthomas>Anyone know when a newer kernel will reach Sid?
09:51<avu>newer than 2.6.28?
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09:51<avu>not before a thing like that is release by upstream I reckon :)
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09:59<Xeross>hey, im trying to install apache mod_ruid but this is a source file how can i compile a source file to work with the apache package of debian etch
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10:02<Xeross>ello ?
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10:08<SlayerXP>i'm being bitten by BTS#517231 - is anyone aware of a workaround for this?
10:08<SlayerXP>(also Hi! :)
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10:13<homerfreak>test
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10:14<VIP>hi
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10:16<malickxndoye>salut g un blem lq
10:16<malickxndoye>mon ordi est lent avec xfce
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10:18<CQ>are all variables global in shell scripts? i.e. available to functions that you call, or do you have to pass them?
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10:23<peej>I want to save a disk image from an MSwindows system to debian (and be able to restore it). Efficiently. That means a plain dd is out because the image is 160GB that way. Since the MSwin system is actually only 10GB full, is there a recommended debian solution for imaging intelligently (that will not waste space etc)?
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10:24<koollman>peej: what's the FS ?
10:24<koollman>ntfs ?
10:24<peej>koollman: ntfs on xp
10:25<koollman>hmm. I'm not sure about the restoration part, really
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10:25<koollman>but, it can be read with ntfs-3g, and you can use some tool to save all the data/metadata from that. (like tar)
10:25<koollman>restoration is a bit more complex if you don't have a running windows
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10:26<koollman>I have no idea how to recreate the windows bootloader, or how it works if it's handled the 'hard' way
10:26<peej>it's a desktop, so I can torture it in all sorts of ways that require presence.
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10:26*peej looks up ntfs-3g
10:27<CQ>what's the little command line calculator tool? Thought it was mc, but thats midnight commander
10:27*peej looks up g4l
10:27<peej>cq: bc, dc
10:27<CQ>thanks
10:27<gsimmons>peej: You might be interested in ntfsclone.
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10:27<peej>cq: scale=10 or something like that is useful in bc :-)
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10:28<raytus>hola
10:28<raytus>hola
10:28<raytus>hola
10:28<santiago_>hola
10:28<raytus>hola
10:28<raytus>hola
10:28<raytus>hola
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10:28<santiago_>hola raytus
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10:38<scientes>how to i file bugs against the installer?
10:38<scientes>what package?
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10:41<avu>scientes, debian-installer
10:41<scientes>ahh jus said it wasnt installed and i that confused me
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10:46<jthomas>avu is 2.6.28 in Sid? I missed that....
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10:47<Manni>hi :D
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10:47<santiago_>hi
10:47<avu>jthomas, yes it is
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10:50<Cadmium01>is it possible to select and copy a command without mouse in gnome terminal
10:51<Cadmium01>often times I forget to do su, so then I have to retype the command I was issuing
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10:51<tjfontaine>press up and home
10:52<tjfontaine>or up and ctrl-a
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10:52<tjfontaine>hmm not a I guess I fail
10:52<tjfontaine>oh it is ctrl-a screen is just in the way
10:53<Cadmium01>what?
10:53<tjfontaine>ctrl-a is move to start of line
10:53<Cadmium01>up and home pressed togather?
10:53<tjfontaine>no, up then home
10:53<mikegrb>or sudo !!
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10:54<tjfontaine>yes well we're just teaching him about bash history for now :)
10:54<mikegrb> that is bash history!
10:54<tjfontaine>:)
10:54<Cadmium01>tjfontaine, no, up brings prevous command typed, home moves cursor to beginning
10:54<Cadmium01>it does not cpy the line
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10:55<tjfontaine>Cadmium01: you just wanted to rerun a command you forgot to use with su, so just put sudo infront of it
10:55<tjfontaine>or su -c
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10:55<Cadmium01>tj, I understand
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10:56<Cadmium01>how do I copy the line thoght?
10:56<Cadmium01>I know how to use sudo, that's not the point
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11:03<Cadmium01>Why do I have to add myself to sdoers file?
11:03<Cadmium01>sudoers
11:03<blockowitsch>how should sudo know that you are allowed to use it?
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11:05<bigeasy>some could implement the six sense into sudo
11:06<koollman>that would be a bad idea
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11:06<koollman>soon, it would become almost sentient
11:06<koollman>and smack you in the face when you type sudo rm
11:07<themill>If we're supposed to have esp-over-tcp/ip to be able to help people on irc, then we should be able to make sudo sentient in that way.
11:07<blockowitsch>yeah, isn't the sixth sense the one for dead people? dead people can't use super user rights, that would be useless
11:08<santiago_>:|
11:08<Cadmium01>well
11:08<blockowitsch>Cadmium01: sudo is much to powerful and dangerous to do that automaticly
11:09<Cadmium01>I remember that before you used to issue sudo command and the enter root password
11:09<blockowitsch>nope you don't have to enter the root password
11:09<koollman>Cadmium01: that was su, not sudo
11:09<koollman>(it's still su)
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11:09<blockowitsch>you have to enter your sudo password, which is normally the same as your normal user password
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11:09<Cadmium01>so sudo never used root pass?
11:09<SlayerXP>i'm being bitten by BTS#517231 - is anyone aware of a workaround for this?
11:09<rfj>(I personally set sudo to force me to enter the root password when I use it, but that's just me)
11:10<koollman>Cadmium01: if it's set to ask it
11:10<Cadmium01>isnt using user pass as sdo pass dangeros?
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11:11<Cadmium01>how can I set it to force me use root pass?
11:12<rfj>Cadmium01: it mentions it in the man pages, I remember that's how I found out, but I forget exactly how
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11:12<Cadmium01>ok cool
11:12<Cadmium01>thanks
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11:17<blockowitsch>Cadmium01: it's not dangerous if you trust the people in the sudoers file
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11:18<blockowitsch>e.g. if you have only yourself as sudoer, it's not much more dangerous (at least I can't imagine why it should be)
11:18<Cadmium01>I do trust myself, I just thought it wold compromise my user(me) by other programs somehow sudo ing
11:18<Cadmium01>say if I run some app localy and it sudos on it's own
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11:18<gigi_>raga xke non mi accede su amule???
11:18<blockowitsch>the program that wants to use sudo needs the user password in that case
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11:19<Cadmium01>blockowitsch, ok
11:19<Cadmium01>thanks guys
11:19<blockowitsch>and if you worry about that...the password cache (or how is it called in sudo) is much more dangerous in that case ;)
11:19<blockowitsch>sudo remembers when you entered the pw the last time
11:19<blockowitsch>and if you reuse sudo in a minute or so, it will not ask again
11:19<Cadmium01>I see
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11:19<blockowitsch>so after the first sudo call, any program could use sudo without a password
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11:20<rfj>the default on my computer was to not ask again in 15 minutes... I changed it to 3 minutes
11:20<Cadmium01>how can I force it to clear cache?
11:20<rfj>I'm pretty sure you can change it to not remember at all
11:20<Cadmium01>jfj how did you do that?
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11:21<rfj>I don't remember the details, but man sudoers should explain that too
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11:21<Cadmium01>cool
11:21<Cadmium01>thx
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11:27<rfj>I'm also having a problem... I can't log in via the GUI on this computer, when I try to (it starts up, eventually starts gdm, and gives me a login screen) after I log in, it logs back out, tells me "your session lasted less than 10 seconds, try a failsafe session or review the error log" - the error log said "/usr/bin/seahorse-agent: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libbonobo2.so.0: undefined symbol: g_dgettext"
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11:28<rfj>pretty much the last thing I did before shutting down my computer last night was installing updates via update manager, which I'd assume is the cause here
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11:30<blockowitsch>rfj: try do remove seahorse if possible. but somehow i don't think that a single process like this one makes it fails to start up
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11:31<blockowitsch>i friend of mine had a similar problem and the cause was a completely full filesystem
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11:31<blockowitsch>try to create a new user and login with him to find out if it's a system wide problem
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11:32<petern>tried a console login, heh
11:32<petern>?
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11:33<rfj>blockowitsch: also should tell you that when I try logging in with failsafe gnome, it gives me a similar error, except with gconf sanity check (and the library is gconf sanity check too), but the same g_dgettext is the undefined symbol
11:33<blockowitsch>petern if he can read the logs i expect he succeeded witha console login ;)
11:33<rfj>petern: not sure what you mean
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11:34<rfj>blockowitsch: I read the logs because the GUI login has an error message which shows me the logs
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11:34<blockowitsch>ah ok
11:35<rfj>although, I'm chatting here on the same computer, having logged in on... not quite sure on the terminology, the GUI is running on tty7, I'm chatting on tty3 which is a console, I guess...
11:35<blockowitsch>use ctrl+alt+f1 to switch to the text console and try to find out if your disk is full
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11:35<rfj>ah - I was able to log in on tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1), as well as tty2 and tty3 (I'm currently on tty3)
11:35<blockowitsch>ok that's what petern meant as i think
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11:36<rfj>OK - often I won't know what a given term means, even if it means the thing I just did :P
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11:37<petern>so try another update from there
11:37<rfj>petern: OK, how do I do that?
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11:38<blockowitsch>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrad
11:38<blockowitsch>or wait
11:38<blockowitsch>not sure if dist-upgrade is what you want
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11:39<petern>i think we're told to use aptitude update/safe-upgrade now
11:40<blockowitsch>yepp, aptitude sounds good
11:41<blockowitsch>rfj: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
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11:42<rfj>ok thanks, I'll do that and get back to you
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11:45<rfj>sometimes I wish, when using apt-get/aptitude, that when it told you the packages you were about to install, in addition to "install/don't install" you could choose "install these and the recommended packages"
11:45<enouf>it does it automatically
11:46<rfj>pretty sure that's the required packages... it said, "the following packages are recommended but will NOT be installed" just now
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11:47<rfj>when it asked me to confirm the installation, and mentioned recommended packages - I kinda wish it would give me the option to install the recommended packages too
11:47<enouf>no, if your (priority) required pkgs weren't there, you'd be in busybox
11:48<enouf>it does it automatically already
11:48<enouf>unless you did what i did
11:48<rfj>probably used the wrong term... I said "required packages", but meant "packages that are dependencies of the ones you are trying to install"
11:49<enouf>cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends
11:49<enouf>APT::Install-Recommends "false";
11:49<enouf>change that to "true" for apt - aptitude has a -R option
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11:51<enouf>file:///usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz more info
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11:53<rfj>enouf: thanks, that'll be useful
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11:56<enouf>np
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12:00<Dark>terve ihmiset
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12:00<Dark>kukka puhu suomea sisalla?
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12:01<antgel>!en
12:01<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
12:01<antgel>damn
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12:08<ce_imutz>hai
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12:12<rfj>tried an upgrade... still didn't fix the problem I had earlier - it seems the upgrade itself failed
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12:22<Lazha>anyone good with proftpd ?
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12:26<fxiny>amphi: gorgeous-- xmonad++^32
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12:26<SyNaPtIc>hi can i receive help from debian?
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12:27<gsimmons>SyNaPtIc: Just go ahead and ask your question.
12:27<gsimmons>!ask
12:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:27<fxiny>amphi: and you know why ? because gorgeous is too easy ;)
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12:32<rfj>I'm having a problem where, when I try to log in in the GUI, it immediately logs me out because seahorse-agent can't resolve the symbol, g_dgettext in libbonobo-2.so.0 - and when I try gnome failsafe mode, it gives me the same problem except with gconf sanity check and a different library (but the same symbol)
12:33<rfj>logging in on a console works, I tried to use aptitude safe-upgrade but it failed, and I saw the same error message (unresolved symbol g_dgettext) in the midst of the upgrade
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12:35<Woet>How to hide iptabled packets from tcpdump?
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12:40<fxiny>Woet: avoiding promiscuous mode ?
12:40<fxiny>just a track to sniff on
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12:47<Lazha>how can I change folder permissions ?
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12:48<fxiny>you mean dir permissions ? man chmod
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12:55<Cadmium01>how can I add a script to system startup?
12:56<petemc>!startup
12:56<dpkg>rumour has it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>
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12:57<Cadmium01>petemc, thanks
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12:58<Cadmium01>petemc, so I can place any script in init.d
12:58<Cadmium01>?
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12:58<dinamizador>hola esto es una prueba
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13:01<petemc>Cadmium01: thats not the easiest way
13:02<Cadmium01>what is?
13:02<Cadmium01>I have a script that accepts start and stop and I've already placed it in the init.d dir...
13:03<petemc>in that case you can use init.d
13:03<Cadmium01>petemc, and it will be automatically run at startup?
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13:04<petemc>Cadmium01: did you run the update-rc.d command?
13:04<Cadmium01>no, will do now
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13:05<amphi>fxiny: xmonad is great
13:05<amphi>fxiny: I am very much enjoying ;)
13:05<fxiny>amphi: it is . seen the magicfocus ?
13:05<Cadmium01>Inknown id: update-rc.d
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13:06<amphi>fxiny: aye
13:06<fxiny>amphi: i've been playing with 8 layouts today
13:06<amphi>fxiny: file:///usr/share/doc/ghc6-doc/libraries/xmonad-contrib/index.html is full of delicious things
13:07<fxiny>amphi: yes !
13:07<amphi>fxiny: it's the most fun wm I've seen yet
13:07<fxiny>amphi: i found out why it freezes : was a wrong xmobar config
13:07<amphi>gorgeous is too inflexible - and anyway, its config file is not compiled ;)
13:08<fxiny>amphi: couple of missing StdinReader lines
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13:09<Cadmium01>I dont have /etc/rcrunlevel.d/
13:09<amphi>uhuh - I have no bar ATM - I have gkrellm lurking about somewhere
13:09<fxiny>amphi: grab xmobar , it rocks
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13:10<amphi>I'll have a look
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13:12<fxiny>amphi: today i had to learn darcs patching trying to add loadaverage plugin to xmobar . i did patch it but then i could nit let xmobar loading the conf
13:13<fxiny>this lenny is going to be a great box
13:13<debianNooB21>hey guys, i installed openssh-server yesterday. What is the command to stop sshd?
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13:13<fxiny>/etc/init.d/ssh stop
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13:15<Woet>How to force PHP CLI to use a specific network interface? (aka another IP to bind to?)
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13:15<amphi>fxiny: heh
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13:16<debianNooB21>fxiny: i get ssh: stop: Name or service not know
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13:17<yoga-fire>Hello guys, i need help. When i try to start my firestarter it tolds that an error occoured when i tried to load or save firestarter configurations
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13:18<fxiny>amphi: i had some freeze with xmobar but i fixed it . is on the faq but here is better explained : scroll to "When using hPutStrLn in your logHook" at http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Config_archive/John_Goerzen's_Configuration
13:18<ranix> wow, I just found a bug in the Intel e1000 driver for the 2.6.17 kernel
13:18<ranix>guess it's time to upgrade
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13:18<ranix>been a long time since that happened
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13:20<fxiny>debianNooB21: do you have a /etc/init.d/ssh script ?
13:20<flokireal>hi, how can i use qemu as an assembly interpreter.
13:20<Cadmium01>I have a script called hamachictl tht has start and stop (inside) which I placed in init.d. then I did: update-rc hamachictl defaults
13:20<Cadmium01>but it seems hamachi is still not running
13:20<Cadmium01>any ideas?
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13:22<fxiny>Cadmium01: of course : a startup script starts at start up :)
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13:22<debianNooB21>fxiny: yes i do. I just saw my error. I was in /ect/init.d/ then ran ssh stop. i see that ssh is the command for ssh client that I need to run ./ssh stop
13:22<Cadmium01>fxiny, I restarted
13:22<yoga-fire>Hello guys, i need help. When i try to start my firestarter it tolds that an error occoured when i tried to load or save firestarter configurations
13:22<yoga-fire>it dont loads
13:22<yoga-fire>what can i do to solve it?
13:23<fxiny>debianNooB21: again : /etc/init.d/ssh stop , you can read that script
13:23<yoga-fire>please help
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13:24<fxiny>Cadmium01: are permissions ok ? is it executable ?
13:24<simonrvn>yoga-fire: more info. /msg dpkg ask
13:24<flokireal>how to use qemu as windbg. what i want to do is running asm codes directly and debug.
13:25<yoga-fire>Hello guys, i need help. When i try to start my firestarter it tolds that an error occoured when i tried to load or save firestarter configurations. Im using Squeeze. Firestarter worked yesterday.
13:26<Cadmium01>yes it's executable and belongs to root:root
13:26<Cadmium01>fxiny,
13:26<yoga-fire>it isnot working (loading), and i need it. How to solve it?
13:27<adb>reinstall it ?
13:27<Cadmium01>why are there so many rc*.d folders?
13:27<debianNooB21>uses question? I am using 'netstat -ln' to find open ports. is there a better command?
13:27<Cadmium01>they all seem to have same stuff in it
13:29<debianNooB21>Cadmium01: the rc*.d belong to each runleve
13:29<debianNooB21>runlevel.
13:30<Cadmium01>wikipediing it ;)
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13:31<debianNooB21>Cadmium01: I have notice the debian don't not change much between runlevels 2 to 5, the distro like RedHat have the different scripts runlevels
13:31<Cadmium01>debianNooB21, I see
13:31<Cadmium01>interesting
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13:32<yoga-fire>noone can help
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13:34<Cadmium01>what user are the init scripts run as?
13:35<blarson>Cadmium01: root
13:35<Cadmium01>blarson, well it seems it does not work when Ir eboot
13:36<wellnow>system is crashing regularly. it basically just freezes and becomes unresponsive. a fresh install did not help. on reboot, the bios sometimes is 'spotty'. some letters are not seen, it's incomplete... same with disk selection screen at boot. sometimes it just freezes. removed the drive with debian on it and the problem persists, so now i'm not sure it's a hdd problem. not sure where to start though... anyone?
13:36<wellnow>ram?
13:36<Cadmium01>wellnow, how many watt power supply?
13:36<blarson>debianNooB21: In debian, runlevels are available for user customization.
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13:37<Cadmium01>wellnow, test ram
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13:37<Cadmium01>and then try upping powerspply or check video card
13:38<wellnow>480 i think
13:38<wellnow>same PS i've always had. nothing has changed. how do i check the GPU?
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13:40<wellnow>on a side note, i've had to stop running certain win32 apps under wine because i keep getting an error message about the cpu running abouve threshhold
13:40<wellnow>like a temperature thing. could it be overheating?
13:40<wellnow>it could, huh...
13:42<fxiny>add some sugar ,lemon skin , and "cannella" to that "wine brule'" :P
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13:48<peej>dpkg, hardware problem?
13:48<dpkg>methinks hardware problem is tackled by considering memtest86, overheating (from thermal paste, fan failure (cpu, main, smps, GPU ), voltage levels (external power, SMPS power), badly seated boards binary blobs, sysrq, disconnecting MS windows related stuff, watching application usage, RAM + swap, using top/htop, ps, pstree, vmstat, free, dmesg, logs, debug levels, stop using one app (never let it load) for a while then stress system (compile a ...
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13:56<wellnow>if i want to move an installation of debian to another box for testing something, how would i go about doing that. i've heard something about frying a monitor if X isn't disabled or removed beforehand. can anyone shed some light on this?
13:56<wellnow>just the hdd
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13:57<dkr>wellnow: that advice sounds about 15 years old. ;)
13:57<fxiny>make sure you have not a custom but a default (almost empty) xorg conf
13:58<dkr>wellnow: custom modelines might have been able to cause harm on ancient monitors that long ago. not likely at all nowadays
13:58<wellnow>is there a xorg.conf.old or something on there
13:59<wellnow>ok. i don't know if i have a default xorg.conf lying around
13:59<dkr>wellnow: just look at your current xorg.conf, most stuff is autoprobed by xorg now. so you likely don't have anything like custom modelines in it
13:59<wellnow>my monitor is flashing black
14:00<wellnow>it's not the connection
14:00<wellnow>...
14:00<dkr>uhm, did you just leap to a whole different topic of discussion?
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14:00<wellnow>no. it's happening right now
14:01<dkr>your question was about something you are planning to do in the future. what did you actually do?
14:01<phorce1>ctrl-alt-f1
14:01<wellnow>yeah. at first i thought it was the hdd. but i booted into another os on a different drive and the problem is persisting
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14:01<wellnow>:(
14:02<phorce1>oh, nevermind if you booted to a completely different os
14:02<wellnow>yeah
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14:02<phorce1>dead monitor or dead video card
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14:02<dkr>oh, sorry, I didn't see you were discussing a different problem before your question about moving to another system to test
14:02<wellnow>yeah. i had to reboot
14:03<phorce1>move the monitor to a different (working) system to determine which it is
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14:03<wellnow>how can i test the gpu?
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14:03<wellnow>speedfan is showing fires
14:03<phorce1>plug a known working monitor into the system
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14:04<phorce1>if that fails instal a new gpu and test again
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14:04<wellnow>i'm on the same system right now.
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14:04<hacker>hols
14:04<phorce1>i thought it was "flashing black"
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14:05<wellnow>one minute i'm seeing the desktop. then it flashes black and hangs for a second. then i'm back at the desktop
14:05<wellnow>sry i wasn't clear
14:05<phorce1>hardware troubleshooting is 99% parts swapping to figure out which part is dead
14:05<wellnow>gpu shows 54 degrees
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14:05<wellnow>celcius
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14:06<rfj>sorry, got disconnected before I saw any answer to my question - is there a way to undo an upgrade, because the upgrade broke stuff?
14:07<wellnow>upgrade to what from what?
14:07<wellnow>etch>lenny?
14:08<rfj>no, just, Update Manager told me that there were updates, and I installed them, but they broke
14:08<fxiny>did you follow the correct procedure ? /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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14:09<fxiny>rfj: read that and let aptitude fix it
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14:09<rfj>fxiny: I didn't upgrade from etch to lenny, something different (I might have misused a term)
14:09<wellnow>exactly what upgraded
14:09<wellnow>*was upgraded
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14:10<rfj>the Update Manager - program, within the GUI interface, that detects updated packages and notifies you - installed some number of updates, 50 give or take 20 (I don't remember)
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14:11<fxiny>50 ? are you running squeeze/testing ?
14:12<wellnow>how can i test if my gpu is crapping out?
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14:12<Uncle_Sam>moin
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14:13<rfj>a while ago - months or more - I changed sources.list to take packages from testing (as well as stable) - hasn't messed anything up until now
14:13<rfj>would it be better to just upgrade to lenny (i. e. follow the instructions)?
14:13<Cadmium01>which packaeg do I need to install to be able to ssh into my own machine?
14:14<Cadmium01>openssh-server ?
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14:14<fxiny>yes
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14:14<Cadmium01>fxiny, is that the most common?
14:14<rfj>fxiny: are you talking to me, or Cadmium?
14:14<fxiny>rfj: to Cadmium01
14:14<rfj>ok
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14:16<fxiny>rfj: i don't know what you've done , i'd set sources to lenny or squeze m it's up to you , and run a simulation : aptitude -s safe-upgrade or -s full-upgrade
14:17<fxiny>maybe aptitude can fix it
14:17<fxiny>rfj: let aptitude -s giving you more detailed info
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14:19<rfj>fxiny: what I've done is, for a while I've had both lines in my sources.list for both stable and testing
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14:20<action09>hi
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14:20<fxiny>rfj: i see , you have a mixed or a borked squeeze system now . lenny is stable and squeeze is testing
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14:21<rfj>fxiny: that would explain it I think, what should I do to fix it?
14:21<Cadmium01>I have a virtual network interface ham0 (hamachi) that is not being initialized properly on startp for some reason, can smone help m e trouleshoot?
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14:21<rfj>also, as I'm under the impression that lenny, now that it's stable, will not get updated versions of basically anything, while squeeze will, so to keep up to date I'd rather still get things from testing (the reason I added it in the first place)
14:22<Cadmium01>I need to run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart to have it work after I login
14:22<Cadmium01>ut I'd like that on startup
14:22<fxiny>rfj: downgrading sometimes can be done but is always a pita , run aptitude -s safe-upgrade -s is just a simulation so you have more clues
14:23<fxiny>rfj: updated packages ? lenny has thousand of packages to play with
14:23<rfj>68 packages upgraded, 22 newly installed, 51 to remove and 5 not upgraded, it says
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14:24<fxiny>rfj: aptitude said that ? nothing else ? you are lucky then
14:24<rfj>also, what I meant by updated packages is, the latest release of, for example, Gnome was 2.22 or so, while the latest release on stable was in the 2.teens
14:24<rfj>fxiny: it also listed what the packages were
14:25<fxiny>rfj: gnome ? do you know how many windows managers i have installed now ? 5
14:25<rfj>also, more info: I did an aptitude safe-upgrade earlier, it failed to fix it and it seemed like the update itself failed
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14:25<fxiny>rfj: don't forget to run aptitude update first
14:26<rfj>fxiny: I had done that before I did the safe-upgrade
14:26<fxiny>rfj: running testing close to a stable release can be a gamble
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14:27<fxiny>borkage is vulturing high
14:27<fxiny>i have my ass under the lenny shield :P
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14:28<rfj>fxiny: I see... I wasn't following the releases, so didn't know lenny was being released
14:28<fxiny>rfj: your falut is in your sources lists : you should have used lenny or squeeze instead of testing
14:28<fxiny>fault*
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14:30<rfj>fxiny: if I change sources.list, replacing "stable" with "lenny" and "testing" with "squeeze", then go through the aptitude updates/upgrades, do you think that would fix it? or should I just comment out the testing lines, change "stable" to "lenny", and use testing again later when it's less of a new release?
14:30<rfj>or is there something else I have to do?
14:31<fxiny>rfj: lenny or squeze , "and" is not an option
14:32<fxiny>rfj: edit sources and read aptitude -s output
14:32<fxiny>squeeze*
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14:34<rfj>specifically, (after sources is edited) first aptitude update, then see what aptitude -s safe-upgrade says?
14:34<fxiny>yes
14:34<fxiny>rfj: and full-upgrade
14:35<rfj>as in, after I find out what safe-upgrade says, try aptitude -s full-upgrade?
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14:37<fxiny>rfj: full-upgrade is the old dist-upgrade
14:37<rfj>fxiny: safe-upgrade says 34 updated, 16 newly installed, 50 to remove and 0 not upgraded
14:38<fxiny>it seems good , is it for squeeze ?
14:38<rfj>full-upgrade says the same numbers
14:38<fxiny>so is lenny
14:38<rfj>fxiny: no, it's for lenny
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14:38<rfj>(I commented out the testing line and replaced all "etch"s and "stable"s with "lenny"s)
14:38<fxiny>rfj: right , try to get a sane lenny system first
14:39<fxiny>it looks like you are getting it right
14:39<Pitxyoki>Good evening!
14:39<fxiny>rfj: aptitude has improved so much
14:39<rfj>Good afternoon Pitxyoki
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14:39<rfj>fxiny: told it to actually do the full-upgrade, so it's doing that
14:40<rfj>so I'll hope it works...
14:40<fxiny>rfj: stick to aptitude
14:41<fxiny>next
14:41<adama>Pitxyoki: good morning
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14:43<Cadmium01>How can I view the log of oot text?
14:43<Cadmium01>boot*
14:43<fxiny>!bootlog
14:43<dpkg>bootlogd is, like, disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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14:45<rfj>fxiny: I've done the full-upgrade, but it didn't solve the problem - also, when I type, again, aptitude -s safe-upgrade it gives me the same 34, 16, 50, 0 numbers
14:45<Cadmium01>fxiny, thx
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14:46<fxiny>rfj: -s is a simulation , you want -y or just aptitude safe-upgrade now
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14:46<fxiny>Cadmium01: np
14:46<fxiny>rfj: -s is for your information only
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14:48<rfj>fxiny: I know, I did the full-upgrade without -s, it tried to install (and seems to have failed - error code 255), but it still gives me the same numbers
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14:49<rfj>fxiny: more detail on failing, it downloaded the packaged it needed, tried to install, the last I saw it had failed installing slime, it exited with code 255
14:50<fxiny>slime ?
14:50<rfj>Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs
14:50<fxiny>yes
14:51<rfj>every time I've tried to upgrade, it failed to install that
14:51<fxiny>try removing it first . aptitude -s purge slime
14:51<fxiny>you acn reinstall emacs later
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14:52<rfj>... in the process of removing, it tried removing other things, including gnome-keyring-manager (marked for removal previously), and on gnome-keyring-manager, it failed, code 127, giving me the same unknown symbol g_dgettext that's the problem in everything else
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14:53<josefy>hi
14:53<josefy>!list
14:53<dpkg>one warez list being sent to josefy
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14:54<fxiny>again
14:54<fxiny>same place
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14:54<fxiny>rfj: i have to go now , i'm sure someone else will help you
14:55<rfj>fxiny: OK, thanks
14:55<fxiny>rfj: good luck :)
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14:55<RealMurphy>Hi all, I've a very weird problem with thunderbird^Wicedove. Something happened (presuably triggered by me) that the main window won't appear anymore
14:56<RealMurphy>icedove -options open sthe options screen, e.g. -compose will not open the compose window
14:57<RealMurphy>it does not appear in the window list, aptitude reinstall icedove does not help, the add-ons all start without problems (as far as i can see)
14:57<RealMurphy>Also, other users (even ones newly created) expereince the same problem :(
14:57<RealMurphy>Any idea what could have triggered this?
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14:58<rfj>RealMurphy: while googling for a similar problem I had, I read something about mozilla programs running into problems with unknown symbol: g_dgettext
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15:00<RealMurphy>rfj: any idea in which library to find this symbol? I've tred stracing and ldd'ing the binaries but so far to no avail
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15:01<rfj>RealMurphy: I'm having the same problem with different programs (in my case, the GUI login...) and don't know what's going on, but the closest I can guess is that it's some kind of typo and supposed to be g_dpgettext
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15:01<rfj>because when googling for symbol lookup error g_dgettext, it asked "did you mean "g_dpgettext""
15:02<rfj>but I'm nowhere near sure enough on that to try anything with it, because I don't really know anything about this
15:02<RealMurphy>could be, just browsing /var/log/dpkg.log, I recently upgraded emacs23 snapshot from a third repo to my lenny laptop... I'll try to get this trown out
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15:03<Cadmium01>how can I configure certain init.d script to run last on boot ?
15:03<Cadmium01>it's running to early... while networking is not up
15:03<RealMurphy>Cadmium01: look which runlevel is affected and put another number in front of it
15:04<RealMurphy>Cadmium01: standard runlevel is 2, thus /etc/rc2.d is the directory to look into
15:04<Cadmium01>RealMurphy, how do I d that?
15:04<RealMurphy>Cadmium01: if it starts with S19 and you want to have it last you could change it to S99,...
15:04<Cadmium01>the scripts repeat in all rc*.d folders
15:04<RealMurphy>Cadmium01: .. but behold, that you might have broken dependencies with other daemons
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15:05<RealMurphy>Cadmium01: that's ok, which on is it?
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15:06<Cadmium01>RealMurphy, before I go frther, a quick question. I added this startup via command dont rememmber exactly something like init-rd.d mysctript defalts
15:06<RealMurphy>update-rc.d ?
15:06<Cadmium01>right that's it
15:06<Cadmium01>so if I modify it manually now, is that OK?
15:06<RealMurphy>yeah, defaults will put it to S20
15:06<RealMurphy>sure, but you could use update-rc.d again :)
15:06<RealMurphy>First delete it and then do it again
15:07<RealMurphy>this time with the correct number
15:07<Cadmium01>what wpuld the example be?
15:07<RealMurphy>err, I need the man page for that, moment
15:07<RealMurphy>update-rc.d NAME remove (maybe you need -f as well)
15:08<RealMurphy>update-rc.d NAME defaults 99 (if it should go last)
15:08<RealMurphy>if you want it even later, you could start it from /etc/rc.local but that might not be what you want
15:08<Cadmium01>RealMurphy, that might be what I want actally
15:09<Cadmium01>is it run on login? or before login?
15:09<Cadmium01>the rc.local
15:09<RealMurphy>rc.local is run after the final runlevel was reached, it has nothing to do with login itself
15:09<RealMurphy>gdm for example is S99gdm IIRC
15:10<RealMurphy>rc.local is a file started by the system not by a user loging in
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15:11<RealMurphy>(anyone please correct me if I
15:11<Cadmium01>RealMurphy, I will try and reboot now, see if it works
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15:11<RealMurphy> ... am wrong)
15:11<Cadmium01>thanks for all the help
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15:13<maredebianum>I am justs curious, where the information when to start (S20 is default) is stored. If I use something like rcconf, the start numbers are correct, and in the skeleton example there are Default-Start and -End defined, but not in all scripts.
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15:14<valdyn>maredebianum: and those fall back to the default
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15:15<valdyn>maredebianum: postinstall scripts can do it.
15:16<maredebianum>OK, maybe I should try that with my script again, for now I used update-rc.d to assign the correct number. Ah, I don't have a postinstall for my tiny script ;-)
15:16<valdyn>maredebianum: rcconf will not use the correct value once the correct value is "lost"
15:16<valdyn>maredebianum: script for what?
15:17<valdyn>maredebianum: iirc the update-rc.d manpage explains how to deactivate a service without loosing the number
15:17<maredebianum>printing does not work because of cups problems, have to set some rights wrong.
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15:18<E0x>nautilus is broke in sid right ?
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15:22<RealMurphy>sh... at least emacs-snapshot was not the problem :(
15:22<valdyn>RealMurphy: rc.local in debian is run just like any other init script
15:23<valdyn>RealMurphy: not "after the final runlevel was reached" or whatever
15:23<RealMurphy>valdyn: Sorry, I was not exact enough: "This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel."
15:24<valdyn>RealMurphy: no
15:24<valdyn>RealMurphy: its run at S99, thats late, but not at the end
15:24<RealMurphy>valdyn: Well that was a quote from /etc/rc.local on my lenny system, so "yes" ;)
15:24<RealMurphy>valdyn: but yes, you are right as well
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15:25<RealMurphy>valdyn: since other services can be started in parallel, let's settle on: Usually it's one of the lsat things started ;)
15:26<valdyn>RealMurphy: that comment would mislead me into thinking that rc.local was somehow special, but its true
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15:28<valdyn>and using insserv its S01, thats fucked up
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15:31<steffan>what's a small FTP server for debian?
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15:32<zanaga>is there a guide somewhere for a successful etch -> lenny upgrade on a Xen dom0?
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15:32<zanaga>I haven't had real luck with previous upgrades
15:32<steffan>!etch->lenny
15:33<zanaga>steffan: release notes didn't mention anything special about Xen, that's why i'm asking.. not mentioning anything doesn't mean that there isn't anything
15:33<RealMurphy>steffan: is vsftpd small enough?
15:33<steffan>RealMurphy: i'll give it a shot.
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15:34<steffan>!vsftpd
15:34<dpkg>well, vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ...
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15:39<stratis>hallo ?
15:39<Sph3re->ok, i seriously need some help :/
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15:46<RealMurphy>Sph3re-: Then just ask the question...
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15:47<Cadmium01>I am trying to do this: sudo route add -net 5.0.0.0 gw 5.155.105.190 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev ham0
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15:47<Cadmium01>and get error: SIOCADDRT: No such process, any ideas why?
15:48<lucca>bash 3.2-5 breaks command history for me; reverting to 3.2-4 fixes... anyone else seeing this?
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15:48<tenemag>Hi, Can anyone help me in setting up iSCSI?
15:49<Sph3re->my etch box is really foobare'd from trying to upgrade to lenny
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15:49<Sph3re->i followed the guide
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15:49<Sph3re->but it never got past the safe-upgrade part
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15:49<tenemag>I have two machines on a lan connected to the same switch, I want to use iSCSI on one of them (horus) initiated by the other (osiris)
15:49<Sph3re->throwing errors on unresolved dependencies
15:50<Sph3re->and linbxml2 and gzopen64 errors
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15:52<tenemag>can anyone point me in the right direction of setting up openfiler on the target?
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15:53<tenemag>Anyone?
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15:55<unnilhexium>cool
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15:57<tenemag>is anyone even here right now?
15:57<Sph3re->i am
15:57<RealMurphy>Sph3re-: pew, hard question, no idea, sorry
15:57<unnilhexium>i am
15:58<mase>me too
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15:58<dr|z3d>!ask
15:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
15:58<tenemag>Heh, at least a few people are... i was gonna say it's really quiet, usually more busy
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15:58<Sph3re->why can't an update ever go smooth
15:58<tenemag>i'm trying to set up iSCSI for my class that i'm taking but i dont know how lol
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16:02<Cadmium01>When does internet become available for hamachi?
16:02<Cadmium01>scratch that
16:03<Cadmium01>when does intenet become available for boot scripts?
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16:03<dkr>when the boot scripts start it, :)
16:03<Cadmium01>dkr, well it seems hamachi is unable to do it's loogin on boot
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16:07<lucca>well, opened 518219
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16:22<Cadmium01>I have a script that I run in rc.local
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16:23<Tekno>okay.
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16:23<Cadmium01>it seems that hamachi logs in hen I log into computer and run command myself, but it fails if I try to execute same line in rc.local
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16:24<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Try ghamachi, you'll save yourself a lot of hassle.
16:24<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: You'll want to copy ghamachi to /usr/bin and launch with gksudo.
16:25<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, I need to run hamachi on startup though, does ghamachi offer that?
16:25<xno>hello, does anyone know how to change the google.com/firefox "start" page that opens if I press ctrl-k?
16:25<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: 0.81 is the version you want to locate, on the penguinbytes forum (or elsewhere).
16:26<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Sure, you can launch it within your sesson with gksudo
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16:26<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, well, actually I want it to run even if noone is logged in
16:27<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, so basically if compter is restarted but noone logs in, I still need the hamachi running and connected
16:27<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Hmm.. that gets a bit more tricky. You definitely need root to run hamachi, at least I find that the case there.. it is a bit hmm.. tricky sometimes, less than compliant.
16:28<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, I have it all set up and working
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16:28<Cadmium01>the only problem is same command that works when I'm logged in does not work from rc.local
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16:29<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Sounds like a startup script might be an idea.. you'd have to google for the specifics.
16:29<dr|z3d>And when you *are* logged in, ghamachi is very useful.
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16:30<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, is PenguinByte down?
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16:34<dr|z3d>Nfi, Cadmium01
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16:34<Cadmium01>what's Nfi?
16:34<dr|z3d>Try via http://anonymouse.org for a second opinion. perhaps..
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16:34<dr|z3d>No funkin' idea. :)
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16:36<Cadmium01>lol
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17:06<berthold>hallo everybody. I have a strange problem. I do not have /dev/video and can not intall my Logitech webcam.
17:07<berthold>who knows what I can do? I am new to Debian (tired of Suse), but I do not know how to handle this problem
17:08<lupine>berthold, first step is generally to pray that there's a linux driver for the webcam. some have one, some don'tg
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17:08<lupine>if it's usb, then do lsusb and find the usb:id (format xxxx:xxxx) - you can use that to discover which driver to use
17:08<berthold>indeed, I never had a problem with suse, ujntil recently (new kernel, new KDE)
17:08<lupine>then you typically have to install the driver (module-assistant style)
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17:10<berthold>ok, I have got the info 046d:08d9
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17:11<berthold>how do I use the logitech webcam related 046d:08d9 to find out the correct driver?
17:11<mostafadn>hey guys
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17:11<mostafadn>I've made my own changes in localechooser (udeb source package) and also ran make
17:12<mostafadn>I don't know how to make a .udeb of what I've done
17:12<mostafadn>.udeb of the localechooser package
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17:15<mostafadn>easy, how to make a .udeb?
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17:20<kleinemaus38486>hi
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17:21<ShoesLife>hi
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17:21<ShoesLife>which browser do you guys use? firefox is so slow
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17:22<Chrono>Hello guys, after some updates-upgrades on Squeeze, some of my programs stopped working. like firestarter, gedit(some errors, but works). I have read that its for adaptation for a new gnome.
17:22<lupine>Firefox
17:23<Chrono>(Iceweasel xD)
17:23<dr|z3d>ShoesLife: Try Midori, perhaps.
17:23<Chrono>Must be true? There is anything i can do?
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17:25<Chrono>Hello guys, after some updates-upgrades on Squeeze, some of my programs stopped working. like firestarter, gedit(some errors, but works). I have read that its for adaptation for a new gnome. Must be true? There is anything i can do?
17:26<lucca>heh
17:26<lucca>Chrono: troubleshoot and file bug reports perhaps?
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17:27<lucca>or go chase after marle...
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17:27<Chrono>I must wait for new updates so?
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17:28<lucca>no; you can troubleshoot and identify the problems and submit patches even
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17:28<Chrono>hmm thannks
17:28<lucca>if you aren't comfortable doing that
17:29<lucca>you probably shouldn't be running squeeze?
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17:31<do>?
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17:32<amphi>don't
17:32<berthold>Thanks for all tips regarding my webcam, it is working1
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17:37<tisker>Hi, All!
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17:38<adama>hi tisker
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17:38<adama>how's life
17:38<tisker>Say me please how to setup russian ability for keyboard in Lenny?
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17:39<tisker>I install Lenny without russian, only english. Now I want to type in russian chars in brouser
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17:39<tisker>And I can't
17:39<tisker>help
17:40<amphi>!ru
17:40<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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17:40<amphi>tisker: perhaps they will know, if no one here does
17:40<mase>tisker install the russian localisation packages for gnome?
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17:41<pasquale>hi all
17:41<tisker>What name of package to install russian localization?
17:41<mase>tisker i dont know. do you use gnome or kde?
17:42<tisker>Openbox pure. But already have installed gnome-terminal and gedit - gnome )
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17:42<mase>tisker oh, i don't know openbox. there is a quite "built in" keyboard layot changer for kde but that wont help you i think
17:43<pasquale>ive a problem with debian, after i installed it, i cannot enter to the desktop, after i boot it says "setting console screen modes and fonts",but it never gets to the desktop
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17:44<pasquale>im really going crazy, i re-installed like 5 times today
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17:44<mase>pasquale you installed the x-server, desktop-manager and everything?
17:44<pasquale>yes
17:45<pasquale>i used the graphic installation, i selected "desktop environment" and "basic system", so i guess i did install it
17:45<mase>pasquale you should track your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why the x-server is not starting
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17:45<azeem>pasquale: do you get a "Login: " prompt?
17:45<pasquale>nop
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17:46<pasquale>i dont even get that
17:46<pasquale>its just stuck at "setting console screen modes and fonts"
17:46<azeem>then it's not your X
17:46<azeem>pasquale: what kind of box is that?
17:46<mase>pasquale oh, not even able to login in text-mode?
17:46<pasquale>nop
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17:47<pasquale>azeemhow its lenny 5.0
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17:47<azeem>pasquale: hardware, I mean
17:47<pasquale>oh
17:47<pasquale>intel core
17:47<mase>:D
17:47<pasquale>duo i guess
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17:48<pasquale>intelcore 2duo, asus
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17:49<pasquale>1 gb of ram / 250gb of hd
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17:49<azeem>pasquale: how do you reinstall X when it doesn't boot properly?
17:50<pasquale>azeem i dont reinstall it, i dont know how yet, i just tried to reinstall the whole os
17:50<azeem>oh
17:51<pasquale>sometimes while i was downloading the packages with the netinst it also got stuck, i had to do all over again
17:51<azeem>pasquale: I suggest you file a installtion-reports bug then
17:51<azeem>pasquale: could be a hardware issue
17:51<azeem>does it always hang at the same spot?
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17:51<pasquale>yes
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17:51<pasquale>always at "setting console screen modes and fonts"
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17:53<pasquale>i tried to check with google, i didnt find so much
17:54<azeem>23:49 < azeem> pasquale: I suggest you file a installtion-reports bug then
17:54<pasquale>i see
17:54<azeem>or maybe try to install 4.0 and see whether that works
17:55<pasquale>azeem time ago i did have already 4.0 and it worked fine
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17:55<azeem>on the same machine?
17:55<pasquale>yes
17:55<azeem>hrm
17:55<pasquale>i even installed compiz lol
17:56<pasquale>it worked normally =/
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17:58<pasquale>azeem its like totally frozen, it doesnt let me do anything
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17:58<azeem>pasquale: what graphics card do you have?
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17:59<pasquale>azeem nvidia geforze 8600 gt
17:59<pasquale>512 mb
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18:00<pasquale>geforce*
18:00<Docinho>Meu deusu
18:00<Docinho>onde q eu cai q rede é essa
18:00<Slurb>thats what causes the freeze i bet
18:00<azeem>!br
18:00<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:00<Slurb>mine was freezy on install
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18:01<pasquale>azeem whys that
18:02<azeem>why is what?
18:02<pasquale>why would it cause the freeze?
18:02<azeem>I don't know
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18:02<azeem>pasquale: if know how, edit the grub command line and add "init=/bin/sh"
18:02<azeem>and see whether that drops you into a shell
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18:03<pasquale>ok
18:05<pasquale>azeem which one, kernel/root/initrd?
18:05<azeem>kernel
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18:08<pasquale>azeem nothing, still the same
18:10<pasquale>ive to reboot manually cause its frozen
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18:15<enouf>pasquale: intel core what?
18:16<pasquale>2duo
18:16<azeem>pasquale: looks like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516630
18:16<enouf>32bit? using amd64 arch? reseat your system RAM, go over BIOS settings - don't know why you think it's the video card
18:17<azeem>*I* wondered about that
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18:18<schiros>so, I grabbed the latest updates to squeeze, and now libgtk is broken. has anyone else experienced this?
18:18<azeem>pasquale: what are you running right now?
18:18<azeem>schiros: could well be, squeeze is pretty unstable right now
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18:18<schiros>sadface
18:18<pasquale>azeem yes it is the same as me.. even when i tried with the textual installation didnt work either, the screen became black and that was it..
18:19<pasquale>azeem now im still stuck at "etting console screen modes and fonts"
18:19<pasquale>setting*
18:19<azeem>pasquale: 00:16 < azeem> pasquale: what are you running right now?
18:20<pasquale>how u mean?
18:20<azeem>is that computer on or are you chatting from a different box?
18:20<pasquale>no no
18:20<pasquale>this is a laptop
18:20<azeem>that doesn't answer my question
18:20<pasquale>i use windows here, it's my sister's laptop
18:20<azeem>ok
18:21<pasquale>sorry if i seem retarded but my english is not so good
18:21<azeem>no problem
18:21<azeem>you found a serious bug
18:21<azeem>pasquale: can you maybe try the Debian Live CD?
18:21<azeem>live.debian.net
18:21<pasquale>azeem alright
18:22<azeem>pasquale: wait
18:22<enouf>pasquale: here's a piece of my boot log http://rafb.net/p/EXfxEs67.html
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18:22<pasquale>ok
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18:22<azeem>pasquale: what CD did you install? i386 or amd64?
18:22<pasquale>i386
18:22<azeem>pasquale: can you try with amd64?
18:22<pasquale>sure
18:22<azeem>that'd be useful
18:22<enouf>i have no idea why those console control chars are there like that
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18:22<azeem>enouf: because it changes the console fonts I guess
18:23<pasquale>azeem ok i will do that, going to download it right now. always netinst?
18:23<azeem>and does a redraw or whatever
18:23<azeem>pasquale: yeah, that's fine
18:23<pasquale>alright
18:24<enouf>pasquale: try to blacklist nvidiafb, rivafb or anything like that - or try vga=791 or something .. i'm guessing though
18:24<azeem>enouf: eh
18:24<azeem>enouf: his box doesn't boot
18:25<pasquale>enouf how do i do that? i've no control over it, it doesn't boot
18:25<azeem>vga=791 migth work though
18:25<azeem>pasquale: try to add that instead of init=/bin/sh at the end of the kernel line
18:25<enouf>you can blacklist on the kernel line
18:25<azeem>enouf: ok, sorry then
18:25<pasquale>oh ok
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18:26<azeem>nvidiafb is more likely
18:26<enouf>http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s02.html
18:26<enouf>i just can't be bothered walking through the entire initrd right now, looking for items
18:27<pasquale>sorry, what should i add to it
18:27<enouf>pasquale: show us what you have
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18:29<pasquale>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root= /dev/sda1 ro quiet
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18:30<Trollinator>I use sid and i can't install linux-headers-2.6.28-1-686 because it depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.28, which isn't available.
18:30<Trollinator>does anybody else have this problem too?
18:30<azeem>Trollinator: probably
18:31<azeem>Trollinator: typical sid problem
18:31<Trollinator>i don't understand. Why do they put the headers package into the repository if one can't possibly install it anyway?
18:31<azeem>Trollinator: it's unstable
18:31<enouf>pasquale: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro nvidiafb.blacklist=yes rivafb.blacklist=yes vga=791
18:32<Trollinator>that's not a reason.
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18:32<azeem>Trollinator: the headers are from the same package as the kernel image
18:32<azeem>Trollinator: unstable users want the new kernel image
18:32<azeem>the headers are just collateral damage
18:32<pasquale>azeem "ro" without "quiet"?
18:32<azeem>don't worry about quiet
18:32<enouf>yes
18:32<Trollinator>I'm an unstable user and i need the headers.
18:32<enouf>'quiet' sucks
18:32<azeem>Trollinator: tough luck
18:33<Trollinator>i guess :(
18:33<enouf>Trollinator: solution is simple
18:33<azeem>Trollinator: there's a kernel-team snapshot build server somewhere
18:33<pasquale>ok going to add it then
18:33<enouf>build the linux-kbuild-... yourself
18:33<azeem>pasquale: make sure you don't typo
18:33<eljefe>can anyone help me to build the Fglrx driver on Testing?
18:33<eljefe>well maybe more Sid
18:34<Trollinator>azeem: i wouldn't mind going on with .26. But the .26 headers aren't available anymore in the repository.
18:34<Trollinator>enouf: great, where can i find it?
18:34<azeem>Trollinator: snapshot.debian.net
18:34<enouf>Trollinator: /msg dpkg trunk kernel
18:34<Trollinator> /msg dpkg trunk kernel
18:34<stew>judd: versions linu-headers-2.6.26-1-686
18:34<judd>stew: linu-headers-2.6.26-1-686 --
18:34<azeem>Trollinator: maybe consider running testing instead if you can't manage
18:34<Trollinator>thanks.
18:34<eljefe>i ran m-a a-i fgrlx-kernel-src and then modprobed it but it won't start X after a reboot
18:34<stew>judd: versions linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
18:34<judd>stew: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26-13 squeeze: 2.6.26-13
18:35<stew>Trollinator: that package is still available ^^
18:36<Trollinator>judd: when i do "aptitude search linux-headers", it won't find the .26 ones.
18:36<judd>Trollinator: Error: "when" is not a valid command.
18:36<Trollinator>err, stew, i meant.
18:36<azeem>Trollinator: if you're dependent on APT, you have even less business running untable
18:36<azeem>and/or aptitude
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18:36<ToLgA>hi
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18:36<pasquale>azeem, enouf, it works
18:37<azeem>pasquale: wow, great
18:37<azeem>pasquale: can you do me a favour?
18:37<pasquale>azeem sure
18:37<Trollinator>what else am i supposed to do?
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18:37<azeem>it's very important to know which option exactly fixed it
18:37<azeem>pasquale: so please remove the vga=971, only add the nvidiafb.blacklist=yes
18:37<enouf>Trollinator: follow the url, that dpkg told you
18:37<azeem>and see whether that works as well
18:37<pasquale>alright
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18:38<enouf>s/971/791 ;-)
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18:38<enouf>(but i think he got the point)
18:38<pasquale>azeem do i also remove rivafb.blacklist=yes? or only vga=971
18:38<azeem>pasquale: remove both
18:38<pasquale>ok
18:38<azeem>only add nvidiafb.blacklist=yes
18:38<azeem>if that doesn't work, try the next one, and so on
18:38<azeem>pasquale: thanks a lot!
18:38<pasquale>ah ok
18:39<pasquale>azeem no no, thanks to you!
18:39<azeem>well, thanks to enouf
18:39<enouf>pasquale: yes, thanks for testing, so we can hopefully fix it
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18:39<enouf>azeem: ;-)
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18:40<ToLgA>türkçe bilen yokmu burda :D
18:41<Trollinator>enouf: that repository also doesn't contain the needed linux-kbuild-2.6.28 package.
18:41<azeem>ToLgA: don't /msg people
18:41<azeem>!tr
18:41<dpkg>tr is, like, türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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18:41<ToLgA>azeem ! filan yapma sikerim belaný :)
18:41<azeem>!tr
18:41<dpkg>somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
18:41<azeem>ToLgA: I don't speak turkish
18:41<ToLgA>:(
18:42<pasquale>guys it only seems to work when we add vga=791
18:42<azeem>ok
18:42<enouf>Trollinator: you're not following the directions .. unless .. migration has occured .. let me see
18:42<azeem>pasquale: only adding vga=791 works?
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18:42<stew>Trollinator: if you don't see a linu-headers-2.6.26-1-686 package available, then you must not have lenny or squeeze sources.
18:42<pasquale>azeem yes
18:42<azeem>pasquale: do you have a graphical login now?
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18:43<pasquale>not now, because i was trying without vga this time, and it didnt work
18:43<pasquale>earlier i did have it after we added vga=791
18:43<azeem>pasquale: please let me know, we need some more hardware information
18:43<Trollinator>stew: What is this then:
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18:43<Trollinator>deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib
18:43<Trollinator>(from my sources.list).
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18:44<azeem>stew: he's on unstable
18:44<pasquale>azeem you want me to try again adding vga?
18:44<azeem>yeah
18:44<pasquale>alright
18:44<eljefe>Trollinator its not Lenny nor Squeeze, its Sid
18:44<pasquale>adding everything like earlier? ro nvidiafb.blacklist=yes rivafb.blacklist=yes vga=791 or only vga?
18:44<stew>Trollinator: 2.6.26 was removed from sid, it still exists in testing
18:44<eljefe>which is prone to occasionally breaking
18:44<azeem>pasquale: only vga
18:44<pasquale>oh ok, so ro vga=791
18:45<azeem>eljefe: right, but Trollinator doesn't accept that
18:45<eljefe>Sid's kernel isn't 2.6.26 Trollinator
18:45<enouf>Trollinator: "How to build linux-kbuild-2.6 yourself" http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
18:45<Trollinator>stew: oh sorry, i didn't read properly.
18:45<eljefe>why is my reboot haning at Setting System Clock ??
18:45<Trollinator>so i actually have to build my own kernel package?
18:45<Trollinator>what a PITA:
18:46<stew>Trollinator: perhaps you should run testing, not unstable
18:46<azeem>Trollinator: welcome to unstable world
18:46<stew>Trollinator: why do you need 2.6.28?
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18:46<pasquale>azeem it works when we add only vga
18:46<Trollinator>i don't, i just need the kernel headers in order to install the nvidia drivers.
18:46<azeem>pasquale: good
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18:46<eljefe>no. in /et/apt/sources.list change the word 'sid' to 'testing' . Then aptitude update, terminator
18:46<eljefe>Trollinator: ^^
18:46<azeem>pasquale: do you have network on that notebook now?
18:46<pasquale>azeem though now i have to change it everytime or is there a script to save it that way
18:46<Trollinator>you're right, i could use the squeeze repository.
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18:46<stew>Trollinator: then you don't need to build your own kernel, you should be able to use 2.6.26
18:47<pasquale>azeem this one im using now is a notebook
18:47<pasquale>and yea i do have net here
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18:47<azeem>pasquale: pastebin the content of /var/log/installer/hardware-summary of the notebook which did not boot earlier
18:47<Trollinator>yeah... still i don't understand why people upload packages that you can't possibly install.
18:47<azeem>if possible
18:47<pasquale>alright
18:47<MikePer>Hello. I got a problem using serial line to connect to another box, it works from a terminal though. It's a handshaking problem I think. Is there a more appropriate channel or can a kind soul here help me?
18:47<eljefe>Trollinator stop trolling. they can be installed.
18:48<azeem>pasquale: or if that easier; run apt-get install pastebinit; cat /var/log/installer/hardware-summary | pastebini
18:48<azeem>t
18:48<pasquale>azeem give me a while then i've to install xchat
18:48<Trollinator>eljefe: the .28 headers?
18:48<Trollinator>how so?
18:48<enouf>pasquale: see "/msg dpkg fbcon resolution" for a summary of how to keep those kernel options for all newly installed ones too
18:48<azeem>pasquale: just install pastebinit
18:48<eljefe>install the .28 kernel
18:48<Trollinator>kernel-image? done.
18:48<enouf>pasquale: take your time ... it's ok
18:49<Trollinator>can i use packages from experimental in testing?
18:49<azeem>Trollinator: you can, but you shouldn't
18:49<stew>eljefe: he's correct, the linux-headers-2.6.28-* packages are not installable in sid
18:49<azeem>Trollinator: this channel supports neither unstable nor experimental
18:50<Trollinator>then i can't switch to testing, since i want to run KDE 4.
18:50<azeem>Trollinator: just wait till KDE4 hits testing, like everybody else
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18:50<eljefe>Trollinator i apologize.
18:50<stew>is kde4 in unstable?
18:51<Trollinator>stew: no, in experimental.
18:51<azeem>no
18:51<Trollinator>azeem: It hasn't done that for more than i year, why should it do so in the near future?
18:51<azeem>Trollinator: cause lenny released
18:51<Trollinator>perhaps i should add that i want KDE 4.2 *now*.
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18:51<azeem>Trollinator: try Kubuntu
18:51<stew>Trollinator: becuase testing is no longer frozen
18:51<Trollinator>Lenny was released something like two weeks ago.
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18:51<Trollinator>still no KDE 4.
18:51<stew>right
18:51<azeem>Trollinator: please keep it on topic
18:52<stew>Trollinator: if you want to pitch in and help the kde team, they could probably use help
18:52<enouf>pasquale: for example, this is my line -> # kopt=root=/dev/hdd1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic <==yours will be customized to your needs - edit it, so it is, do not remove the one leading '#' though
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18:53<stew>Trollinator: but if you would expect testing to have kde after only existing for 2 weeks, then yes, debian is probably not for you, you might want to try kubuntu
18:53<Trollinator>stew: i don't mean to sound offending, but i certainly won't waste my time packaging software for debian. I'd rather switch to another distro that provides the software i want.
18:53<azeem>Trollinator: that's fine
18:53<azeem>Trollinator: just don't waste our support time either, pelase
18:54<azeem>please*
18:54<pasquale>azeem something strange happened, while i was going to install xchat everything freeze
18:54<enouf>azeem: do i understand correctly that blacklisting nvidiafb/rivafb on the kernel line was of no help, but only adding 'vga=791' (well, we also removed 'quiet' .. weird)?
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18:55<Trollinator>OK, thank you for your help and goodbye.
18:55<azeem>enouf: yeah I think so
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18:55<pasquale>azeem why do i've to add everytime vga=791 ?
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18:55<enouf>ok, thanks
18:56<azeem>pasquale: because it apparently makes your system boot
18:56<enouf>heh
18:56<azeem>pasquale: can you please install pastebinit?
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18:56<azeem>don't worry about xchat for now
18:57<pasquale>ok
18:57<azeem>pasquale: now run "pastebinit -i /var/log/installer/hardware-summary"
18:57<azeem>and tell us the output
18:57<enouf>stew: earlier today, i saw on #debian on freenode, someone just today managed to install sid from the lenny businesscard.iso, using expert naturally .. kernel and all -- IINM
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18:58<enouf>oh ... but still the -headers were/are the issue? my bad then
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19:00<eljefe>Can anyone assist me with installing fglrx?
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19:01<pasquale2>azeem, i did it
19:01<pasquale2>installed both
19:01<azeem>00:56 < azeem> pasquale: now run "pastebinit -i /var/log/installer/hardware-summary"
19:01<pasquale2>ok, sorry the laptop is a bit far away from this one
19:02<azeem>no worry
19:02<pasquale2>azeem, http://pastebin.com/f27c99246
19:02<azeem>perfect
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19:02<azeem>thanks
19:03<pasquale2>no problem
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19:03<azeem>pasquale2: now edit /boot/grub/menu.lst as root
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19:03<azeem>and add vga=791 to the line starting with "# kopt..."
19:04<pasquale2>azeem, how do I edit it? i dont remember anymore, i gotta study the commands
19:05<azeem>pasquale2: with nano, e.g.
19:06<Steven_M>does the version number of this package http://paste.interface.org.nz/9333 match the version that contains the fixes for Lenny mentioned in this Security Advisory http://debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1729
19:06<azeem>or try "gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
19:07<pasquale2>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
19:08<pasquale2>add vga=791 to this one?
19:08<azeem>no
19:08<azeem>the the line starting with "# kopt"
19:08<azeem>Steven_M: look, why do you even case?
19:09<azeem>care*
19:09<azeem>Steven_M: are you running a Porn business with Gstreamer Fluendo streaming?
19:09<pasquale2>i guess # kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro
19:09<azeem>that one, yes
19:11<pasquale2>azeem, done
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19:12<azeem>pasquale2: now run "update-grub"
19:12<pasquale2>done
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19:12<pasquale2>azeem, i guess now i don't have to add vga=791 all the time?
19:13<azeem>pasquale2: ok, check /boot/grub/menu.lst again and make sure the "kernel..." line now has the vga=791 at the end
19:13<pasquale2>ok
19:13<pasquale2>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=791 quiet
19:14<azeem>good
19:14<azeem>that should be enough
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19:15<enouf>pasquale2: can you please pastebin the output of files in /etc/moprobe.d/ ? especially ones that start with 'blacklist' (if some are huge, just tell me their names - use "ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/")
19:15<azeem>pasquale2: if you want, mail "516630-subscribe@bugs.debian.org" to get mails to that kernel bug and see when it gets fixed or a better work-around gets announced
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19:15<azeem>enouf: the pastebin has the module list
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19:15<enouf>pasquale2: follow azeem first - worry about me later
19:15<azeem>http://pastebin.com/f27c99246
19:15<azeem>it's vesafb, built into the kernel apparently
19:15<azeem>but ok, maybe others are blacklisted, right
19:16<pasquale2>azeem, alright
19:16<pasquale2>enouf, sure
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19:16<enouf>azeem: well .. right, i'm looking for possible others that were blacklisted, and remain as such, but we are not aware of them ...
19:17<azeem>would be the standard set
19:17<pasquale2>uhm
19:18<pasquale2>/etc/moprobe.d/ ?
19:18<pasquale2>it says impossible to read
19:18<pasquale2>nvm
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19:19<pasquale2>enouf, http://pastebin.com/m4a850e43
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19:21<pasquale2>azeem, i wish i came here earlier, i lost the entire afternoon/evening trying to make it work by reinstalling
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19:22<azeem>pasquale2: if the same thing happens 2 times, it's likely that it's not you which is the problem
19:22<pasquale2>azeem, i see, may i ask how come when i was selecting the packages to install it got stuck while downloading?
19:22<azeem>giaco: what does "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" say?
19:22<azeem>eh, EWIN
19:23<azeem>pasquale2: I don't know :-/
19:23<azeem>pasquale2: let's hope your system is more stable now
19:23<enouf>pasquale2: ok, thanks - just one more; "pastebinit -i /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist"
19:23<pasquale2>enouf, ok
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19:23<pasquale2>enouf, http://pastebin.com/f5a5d838a
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19:24<enouf>azeem: noticed this? /etc/modprobe.d/display_class i have that file too - not sure what it might be doing
19:24<enouf>pasquale2: thanks
19:25<Steven_M>azeem: no, but I thought if a bad website plays a mov file, I might be at risk.
19:25<pasquale2>enouf, you're welcome
19:25<azeem>enouf: yeah, but vesafb seems to be built-in
19:25<pasquale2>so i guess "everything" should work normally now?
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19:27<azeem>hopefully
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19:27<pasquale2>i see, thanks for everything :D
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19:30<pasquale2>azeem, shall i install amsn or mercury?
19:30<azeem>pasquale2: please ask the whole channel
19:30<azeem>I have absolutely no opinion on this question
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19:30<pasquale2>ok xd
19:30<pasquale2>shall i install amsn or mercury?
19:30<azeem>try both and keep what you like more
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19:31<pasquale2>ok
19:31<Knorrie>or use bitlbee, or start an IM-war
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19:32<pasquale2>i didnt know about bitlbee, it seems cool
19:32<Knorrie>it is
19:33<Steven_M>pasquale2: what wm do you use?
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19:34<pasquale2>gnome
19:34<pasquale2>Steven_M, gnome
19:35<Steven_M>pasquale2: then I recommend gaim, I think it does MSN
19:35<Knorrie>s/gaim/pidgin/
19:35<azeem>ITYM pidgin
19:35<pasquale2>Steven_M, i see
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19:38<pasquale2>Steven_M, pidgin 2.0
19:38<pasquale2>i see that it changed name
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19:39<Steven_M>pasquale2: oh ok, sorry for giving you the wrong name
19:41<enouf>azeem: yes, but i have older debian kernels here too - and going back all the way to 2.6.8 is where i see =m .. here's .16 /boot/config-2.6.16-2-686:CONFIG_FB_VESA=y (but as you and i know, there are all the other 'FB|CONSOLE|FRAME' config options that might be varied)
19:42<pasquale2>azeem, my system seems slow
19:42<azeem>pasquale2: don't ask individuals
19:42<pasquale2>i don't know if im just being paranoid or it's normal
19:42<pasquale2>ok sorry
19:43<pasquale2>it acts weird when i switch to different windows
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19:44<enouf>pasquale2: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log <--pastebin
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19:48<pasquale2>enouf, http://pastebin.com/m1ded6b87
19:48<Steven_M>is there a free alternative to flashplugin-nonfree
19:48<Tekno>swfdec, gnash...
19:49<Steven_M>Tekno: thanks :)
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19:50<enouf>pasquale2: and when you mean slow, you mean within X, yes? the 'nv_drv.so' is the X nvidia free 2d driver, and for newer nvidia cards, i suppose the proprietary one ("nvidia") might work better, even for 2d, but definitely needed for 3D
19:51<Tekno>where do I put keyboard binds for compiz
19:51<pasquale2>enouf, yes i meant that
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19:52<enouf>pasquale2: make sure top, or install htop, use 'ps aux' to see what's eating up RAM and/or CPU .. etc .. but as far as the 3D binary blob (nVidia proprietary driver) i really can't help, execpt to say ; /msg dpkg nvidia
19:52<enouf>s/make sure/make use of/
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19:53<pasquale2>enouf, ok
19:53<enouf>pasquale2: also learn about 'xrandr' and 'man nv' (for the manpage)
19:53<enouf>pasquale2: you might be able to tweak it with certain options in xorg.conf
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19:54<enouf>pasquale2: man xorg.conf as well
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19:55<enouf>!+tell pasquale2 -about dual monitors
19:55<dpkg>told pasquale2 about dual monitors.
19:55<enouf>pasquale2: i on;y did that to pass you some URLs that have some info - also /msg dpkg laptop
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19:56<pasquale2>enkrypt, thanks
19:56<pasquale2>i meant enouf
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19:57<enouf>;-)
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19:57<Replica9000>Hi
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19:58<Replica9000>I have a question about Sid, can I ask that here or do I have to go to #debian-offtopic?
19:58<dondelelcaro>Replica9000: you can ask here
19:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 389] by debhelper
19:59<Replica9000>ok. My debian-amd64-netinst.iso no longer seems to work. Did the mirrors change? I noticed all the new netinst CDs are much bigger now
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20:02<`666_mason>this for ubuntu rite
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20:03<dr|z3d>!ubuntu
20:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:07<Replica9000>When I try to download the installer, it only gets to 22% and fails.
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20:09<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
20:10<adama>I have a file on a usb pen drive (NTFS) that I cannot delete - it gives me an I/O error. How might I remove this?
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20:10<enouf>ntfs-3g+fuse? or .. is the drive locked?
20:11<Ethaniel>adama: Is formatting the drive an option?
20:11<enouf>adama: look at dmesg | tail perhaps
20:11<enouf>adama: is it a u3 device?
20:11<adama>/dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=512)
20:12<adama>no trouble reading/writing except this one file
20:12<adama>I don't want to format it
20:12<adama>what is u3?
20:12<Replica9000>do the older netinst CDs expire after some time?
20:12<enouf>2048 blocksize
20:12<adama>I don't know
20:12<enouf>atleast the ISO part of it
20:13<adama>mount says 512 there
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20:13<enouf>adama: /msg dpkg u3
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20:13<enouf>which file?
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20:13<adama>/media/disk/.Trash-1000/files/Look\ Around\ You/Series\ 2/Look\ Around\ You\ Series\ 2x06\ live.avi
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20:13<adama>ok no it is not u3
20:14<enouf>adama: you can rw, and delete all other files, just not that one?
20:14<adama>correct
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20:14<adama>nothing in dmesg
20:14<adama>unlink: cannot unlink `/media/disk/.Trash-1000/files/Look Around You/Series 2/Look Around You Series 2x06 live.avi': Input/output error
20:14<enouf>I/O error ? hrm .. i it in use?
20:14<enouf>oh
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20:15<enouf>adama: that's a symlink it seems
20:15<adama>no that file has been there un-deletable for a long time
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20:15<enouf>adama: tried quoting it? try mv it elsewhere? to another dir/ ? maybe you need a fsck
20:15<adama>no I just used the unlink command
20:16<enouf>no, not unlink - use rm
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20:16<adama>ls: cannot access /media/disk/.Trash-1000/files/Look Around You/Series 2/Look Around You Series 2x06 live.avi: Input/output error
20:16<adama>total 0
20:16<adama>-????????? ? ? ? ? ? Look Around You Series 2x06 live.avi
20:16<Tekno>are you using ext4 ?
20:16<enouf>there you go
20:16<adama>rm: cannot remove `/media/disk/.Trash-1000/files/Look Around You/Series 2/Look Around You Series 2x06 live.avi': Input/output error
20:16<enouf>see those ?????????? ?
20:16<adama>Tekno: it's NTFS
20:17<adama>enouf: yes
20:17<Tekno>okay
20:17<enouf>your mount options need ssome codepage= or iocharset= options
20:17<webflex>Hello people, I have one question: what file should I edit to configure the language of the keyboard when the system starts up, in this case on the login panel?
20:17<enouf>adama: can you chown , or chmod the file?
20:17<adama>enouf: what does those options mean?
20:18<adama>chmod: cannot access `/media/disk/.Trash-1000/files/Look Around You/Series 2/Look Around You Series 2x06 live.avi': Input/output error
20:18<enouf>adama: well, it's more smbmount related - but maybe you need f,d,umask options .. no idea with XPoop
20:18<Tekno>that same happened me with ext4
20:19<Tekno>I just did formatting and reinstall :<
20:19<enouf>it appears, some weirdo perm issue incompatibility between unix perms and whatever xpoop uses
20:19<adama>enouf: I dunno about all that, like I said every other file is manipulate-able normally
20:19<enouf>adama: but none others show -???????? for perms
20:19<adama>what is xpoop? I'm just using cli
20:19<enouf>adama: stat the file
20:20<adama>stat: cannot stat `/media/disk/.Trash-1000/files/Look Around You/Series 2/Look Around You Series 2x06 live.avi': Input/output error
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20:20<enouf>adama: dude, sorry man, i have no experience with NTFS/XPoop/Redmond on linux
20:20<Ethaniel>I have a "Creative Dxr2" decoder board here, and I'm wondering if I can use this hardware under Debian for DVD playback. Any ideas?
20:20<adama>hmmm
20:20<enouf>i tried
20:21<enouf>adama: but i bet this-> is the issue -> <adama> -????????? ? ? ? ? ? Look Around You Series 2x06 live.avi
20:21<webflex>enouf Hi, can you help me?
20:21<adama>thanks :) oh well I'll just leave it, maybe do some fsck or try removing it from windows
20:21<adama>enouf: yes I have seen that before on drives that have an error and get remounted ro
20:21<enouf>webflex: i might be able to try
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20:22<webflex>did you see the answer?
20:22<enouf>adama: look into some unicode issues perhaps too
20:22<adama>ok thanks
20:23<twb>I want to forward syslog messages from nodes to a central log server, on an untrusted network. Where is a good reference on encrypted syslogging?
20:23<adama>webflex: what was your question?
20:23<enouf>adama: i also thought, at one time, i learned, you might get those ??????? from chmod -rxw=a filename or something - see, afaik, ntfs, doesn't have chattr, lsattr, , etc
20:23<webflex>Hello people, I have one question: what file should I edit to configure the language of the keyboard when the system starts up, in this case on the login panel?
20:23<enouf>webflex: gdm?
20:23<webflex>yes
20:24<adama>enouf: other files on the drive say drwxrwxrwx 1 root root
20:24<twb>webflex: to begin with, run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to change the system-wide language.
20:24<Replica9000>webflix: you might want /etc/X11/xorg.conf - not totally sure
20:24<enouf>adama: looks normal ;-)
20:24<webflex>:)
20:24<webflex>just going to try
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20:25<adama>yeah, oh well I'll mess with it some but it's not a big deal, it is affecting how I have to trash/delete files on the drive
20:26<webflex>going to reboot to try it
20:26<webflex>brb
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20:29<webflex>back
20:29<webflex>in gdm its ok
20:29<webflex>but on the panel login it inst
20:29<webflex>isnt
20:30<webflex>I'm going to try the configuration on xorg
20:32<webflex>this changed when I installed the driver of nvidia
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20:33<webflex>twb, in xorg I don't have anything
20:33<webflex>for the language of the keyboard
20:33<twb>webflex: I didn't say anything about xorg.
20:34<webflex>sorry
20:34<webflex>it was Replica9000
20:34<webflex>:P
20:35<webflex>twb, I configured locales ;) with my language
20:35<webflex>where can I find the nvidia-xconfig?
20:35<Replica9000>I was thinking he might be able to change the keyboard options under the InputDevice section of Xorg. I never tried it that way though
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20:36<webflex>Replica9000, only have this:
20:36<webflex>Section "InputDevice"
20:36<webflex> # generated from default
20:36<webflex> Identifier "Keyboard0"
20:36<webflex> Driver "kbd"
20:36<webflex>EndSection
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20:37<webflex>ups
20:37<enouf>webflex: all that does is add "nvidia" into Driver in xorg.conf
20:38<webflex>hm ok
20:38<enouf>now, nvidia-settings does more
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20:38<webflex>ok
20:38<enouf>you need nvidia-glx of some sirt for the userspace GL libs
20:38<webflex>I'm new at Linux and I'm loving it
20:38<enouf>s/sort*
20:39<enouf>webflex: the wiki talks all about all this
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20:39<webflex>ok enouf
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20:41<enouf>webflex: in xorg.conf; try Option "XkbLayout" "us,de"
20:41<enouf>for US and DE
20:41<webflex>Yes
20:41<webflex>that is what I'm doing
20:41<webflex>going to try now
20:41<enouf>and switch using Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
20:41<webflex>ok
20:42<webflex>brb
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20:42<enouf>webflex: you can also do it on the fly, using; "setxkbmap us" for X
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20:44<webflex>Hi
20:44<webflex>I'm back
20:44<webflex>and the problem is resolved
20:45<webflex>tks enouf and Replica9000
20:45<webflex>now I'm going to test the wireless
20:45<webflex>xD
20:46<webflex>tks for the help
20:46<webflex>bbl
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20:46<gsimmons>Ethaniel: Now that's an old device. There used to be a project maintaining the GPL drivers released by Creative in 1999 (http://dxr2.sf.net/), but this hasn't been active since late 2006. AFAIK, there's no kernel 2.6 support.
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21:01<heatmzzr>anyone know how to change text color in terminal screen, i mean the ctrl-alt-f1 terminal screen????
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21:14<Ethaniel>So, no support out of the box then. I'll just dump that board. Thanks anyway.
21:14<Ethaniel>A P3 600 should handle DVD decoding without it, I think.
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21:22<Ethaniel>The DXR3 looks more supported, too bad I don't have one of those...
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21:39<Pasquale>is that true that using dpkg command can "screw my comp up"?
21:40<twb>Pasquale: yes.
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21:40<twb>Pasquale: just about any command can.
21:40<Pasquale>twb, i see
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21:40<Pasquale>twb, i just wanted to install limewire, but i'm still a newbie, i was wondering how to install it then
21:41<twb>I recommend you use rtorrent or azureus instead.
21:41<twb>These packages are in Debian and you can use the normal package management tools.
21:42<twb>The problem with using "dpkg -i" yourself isn't so much that it's dpkg, but that you're installing packages that do not meet Debian's quality or legal standards.
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21:42<twb>For example, the unofficial webmin package has some three HUNDRED packaging bugs.
21:43<pasquale>twb, sorry but something weird happened and everything got stuck, this is the 2nd time already
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21:43<pasquale>i wonder why really, it's annoying
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21:51<bilo>olá
21:51<bilo>alguem fala portugues ai ?
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21:52<dr|z3d>!pt
21:52<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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21:53<bilo>#debian-br
21:54<dr|z3d>bilo: /join #debian-pt
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22:24<twb>How do I find out the (default) value of APT:: config variables that are *NOT* set in apt.conf?
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22:27<twb>apt-config dump
22:27<twb>Thanks, RTFS!
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22:31<enouf>twb: maybe some more help? file:///usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
22:31<Guest667>no se ni q hago aqui xd
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22:32<twb>enouf: no, I was specifically wanting to know about APT::Periodic, because /etc/cron.daily/apt is misleading -- it suggests the first value defaults to =1 not =0.
22:32<enouf>twb: i chmod -x /etc/cron.daily/*
22:33<twb>enouf: that's nice.
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22:34<enouf>well, that's what happens when you're unclear about your question
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22:35<twb>enouf: plonk
22:36<enouf>ok, welcome to the bozo box - enjoy your stay
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22:47<Gun_Smoke>what is the term I'm looking for.. I want to break the lines in mutt using vim down to 72 or something..
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22:49<amphi>Gun_Smoke: tw
22:50<Gun_Smoke>tw?
22:50<amphi>set te=72
22:50<amphi>er, set tw=72
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22:50<Gun_Smoke>amphi, ah.. thanks!.. .muttrc or .vimrc ?
22:50<amphi>.vimrc
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23:14<kel02>ada yang dari bali
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23:17<Supaplex>!confuse kel02
23:17<dpkg>Yes, what was your ferret today, kel02? wellies of the republic of swaziland with extra anchovies
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23:23<kel08>he
23:23<kel08>hohohoho
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23:26<kel08>heh
23:26<kel08>ghgsh
23:27<kop>I notice that grub's menu.lst says "if you are using dm raid then" do not specifiy "default saved". dm raid is what you get with mdadm, right? This only matters if your boot partition is raid, right? I'm running etch, does anything change with lenny?
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23:33<anarcat>hello
23:33<Supaplex>meow
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23:34<anarcat>does anyone know how i can find where on my keyboard i can find special character "°" (without having to type every possible combination...)?
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23:37<chealer>anarcat: what keyboard do you have?
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23:43<lewis2>command to reload virtusertable?
23:44<Siniestro>f*ck java
23:44<twb>kop: things that change in etch->lenny should be covered in the release notes.
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