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00:10<Silicium01>when I do apt-get update I get W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
00:10<Silicium01>4D270D06F42584E6
00:10<Silicium01>what's this?
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00:26<Silicium01>please help, I think I messed up big time
00:27<Silicium01>I just ran apt-get update on a system where I had not done it for a year and since then I get serious warning when I try to install anything
00:27<Silicium01>it seems massive amount of stuff will be removed if I even install somethign simple like rsync
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00:31<el_isma>Hello. I'm trying to use swapon on a file I created but it doesn't work... What could I be doing wrong?
00:32<Silicium01>what is the codename for debian 4.0 ?
00:32<Tekno>etch
00:32<Silicium01>and what should my sources lool like?
00:32<Silicium01>look*
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00:33<Tekno>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main
00:33<Tekno>et ceterea
00:34<Silicium01>Tekno, I have etch apparently and sources had not been updated for a year
00:34<Silicium01>it looks like this http://paste.debian.net/29868/
00:34<Silicium01>Tekno, can you please give me proper sources list for etch?
00:34<gsimmons>Silicium01: Note the use of "stable" in your lines.
00:34<gsimmons>!stable sources.list
00:34<dpkg>Despite the fact previous installers and countless websites will tell you to do this, do *not* use "stable" in your sources.list; use the release code name instead (e.g. "etch" or "lenny"). Upgrading between releases is no longer trivial; make sure you read the <release notes> and ask me about <etch->lenny>.
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00:36<Silicium01>gsimmons, is this right? http://paste.debian.net/29869/
00:37<gsimmons>Silicium01: I've no idea about dotdeb, but the first two are fine.
00:37<Silicium01>gsimmons, can you give me a working sources for etch?
00:37<Silicium01>I'llreplace mine
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00:39<el_isma>I'm trying to use swapon on a file I created but it doesn't work... What could I be doing wrong?
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00:41<gsimmons>Silicium01: Uh, you have them already in your last paste. Again, no idea about dotdeb.
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00:41<Silicium01>gsimmons, ok thank you
00:42<Silicium01>do I have to restart X after dpkg-reconfigure locales?
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00:46<nsa_fiend>hello
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00:47<nsa_fiend>i rearranged my hdds and now mount commands do not work any more. how do i find out the correctr
00:47<nsa_fiend>*correct location of the drives?
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00:48<Silicium01>How do I change system locale? or LANG and GDM_LANG
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00:52<Silicium01>How do I download en_US language and set it as system default?
00:52<el_isma>Silicium01: I think dpkg-reconfigure locales should do that
00:53<Silicium01>el_isma, it didnt... for some reason I dont have en_US
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00:53<el_isma>Silicium01: in the loooong list there isn't any en_US?
00:54<Silicium01>there is
00:54<Silicium01>and it is sellected
00:54<Silicium01>and it's set as default
00:54<Silicium01>But, when I login it will not select enUS as default
00:54<Silicium01>asys I dont have it
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00:55<el_isma>Silicium01: what does your shell variable LANG say?
00:55<Silicium01>how do I check that?
00:55<Silicium01>oops, I guess it worked, it says
00:55<el_isma>Silicium01: read the output of "set"
00:56<el_isma>(long output)
00:56<Silicium01>en_US.UTF-8
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00:56<Silicium01>el_isma, thanks for helping to troubleshoot
00:57<el_isma>Silicium01: np
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01:00<Silicium01>now if only I can figure out the way to install postfix and send an email with mailx...
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01:02<Silicium01>oh, wow
01:02<Silicium01>just upgraded postfix and it seems like it worked
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01:02<Silicium01>wow
01:04<Silicium01>awesome, everything just works!
01:04<Silicium01>love debian
01:04<el_isma>:)
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01:09<Silicium01>what what defines what will be used for EHLO when email is sent? it is showing a wrong host in my sent emails headers
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01:21<Silicium01>how can I clear /var/log/mail.log ?
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01:22<jason_>do u all know how i can get rid of the docking in dreamlinx and replace it with a place toolbar
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01:23<jason_>can i remove the awn manager would that work
01:24<jm_>Silicium01: cron jobs rotate it for you
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01:24<Silicium01>jm_ I want to clear it myself right now to see what is being added and when
01:25<jm_>Silicium01: ok then, look in the sysklogd cron jobs for the right procedure
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01:28<Lazha>how can I install a newer version of flash for Konqueror ?
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01:29<jm_>get it from d-m, or if that's not newest, install it manually
01:29<Lazha>d-m ?
01:29<jm_>!tell Lazha -about d-m
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01:30<Silicium01>how can I check that my postfix only sends mail from localhost?
01:31<jm_>google for mail relay test
01:31<jm_>alternatively, make it listen on 127.0.0.1 only and that will do the trick
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01:40<Silicium01>jm_, thank you will try that now
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01:41<jm_>np
01:42<Silicium01>jm_, sorry, i dont understand the results of the relay test
01:42<Silicium01>All tests performed, no relays accepted.
01:42<Silicium01>is this good?
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01:42<jm_>Silicium01: yes
01:42<Silicium01>cool
01:43<jm_>but if you don't want remote connections then you need to restrict it further
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01:45<Silicium01>jm_, gotcha
01:46<Silicium01>jm_, I have one quick question, is it OK to send email from postfix and use "from: " email different from hostname?
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01:46<Silicium01>I mean, would yahoo, gmail and such start regecting them?
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01:47<petern>yes it is fine. it is that way in almost all cases.
01:48<jm_>Silicium01: yeah that should be OK
01:48<Silicium01>ok cool, the reason why I asked is I have several sites on same host
01:49<Lazha>hey quick question. I got .tar.gz file, I made the directory doing tar xvzf pkg.tar.gz , switched into that directory and try ./configure but it says bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
01:49<Lazha>anyone knows why ?
01:50<petern>does configure exist in there?
01:50<petern>sounds like you are following instructions without knowing what they mean
01:51<Silicium01>one last question for tonight, I promise. I have set /etc/hostname to proper hostname. What do I need to do for system to take it in effect?
01:51<Lazha>I have 2 files in that directory
01:51<Lazha>flashplayer-installer
01:51<Lazha>and libflashplayer.so
01:52<petern>so why do you think running ./configure would do anything?
01:52<Tekno>Lazha: ./flashplayer-installer
01:52<jm_>just copy libflashplayer.so to a dir where konqueror will find it
01:52<Lazha>I don't know :(
01:52<Silicium01>just run the installer
01:52<jm_>no need to run that installer
01:55<Lazha>its asking me for directory of konqueror, how do I find it ?
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02:04<ziad>Hi guys/girls, does anyone know haw to set up a SmartLink internal modem on a debian distro ? I have a problem getting the slamr module for that.
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02:06<Silicium01>Debian Rocks!
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02:07<Lazha>jm_, just copy libflashplayer.so to a dir where konqueror will find it, what do you mean by that ?
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02:08<Silicium01>Lazha
02:08<Silicium01>http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/7033/where-is-the-konqueror-plugin-directory.html
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02:11<Lazha>thx
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02:16<Lazha>didn't work :(
02:16<Lazha>still says I need to install flash
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02:18<chealer>Lazha: if you don't mind, why do you try using flashplayer-installer?
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02:19<Silicium01>Lazha, http://mikearthur.co.uk/2007/12/konqueror-with-latest-adobe-flash-howto/
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02:24<enouf>flashcrappoopshit (SWF) == windows weenies ... moreso if bloated DEs and bloated browsers are involved
02:24<enouf>we should turn this into a windows forum/channel
02:26<Silicium01>flash is useful some times
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02:27<petern>flash! ahh ahh!
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02:29<nsa_fiend>hi. my refresh rate is set at 50 and thats the only option. is that normal? i'm used to seeing somewhere between 60-75
02:29<jm_>LCD?
02:30<nsa_fiend>no
02:30<nsa_fiend>but i am at 1280x1024
02:31<jm_>look in your Xorg.0.log - there will be details about monitor capabilities detected by your driver
02:32<nsa_fiend>...what does refresh rate mean in english?
02:32<nsa_fiend>just what it sounds like?
02:32<jm_>it's refresh rate
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02:32<nsa_fiend>and is larger better?
02:32<jm_>yes
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02:34<nsa_fiend>okie
02:34<nsa_fiend>thx
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02:47<ziad>actually, when I do the "module-assistant --auto-install sl-modem", it tells me that it is impossible to build
02:47<clodde>Hello. Can Lenny's ffmpeg encode to mpeg4? I'm using the program "motion" and i was planning to switch from Etch to Lenny but i've read ffmpeg mpeg4 encoding was removed for licensing reasons, is that true?
02:47<gsimmons>ziad: Did you add non-free sources?
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02:48<ziad>no, just the sl-modem-deamon and the sl-modem-source
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02:48<ziad>the ones included in the repositories
02:49<jm_>clodde: ffmpeg from d-m seems to have it
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02:50<jm_>or rather, libs from there
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02:50<jm_>yeah same for ffmpeg
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02:52<clodde><jm_: what's d-m?
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02:52<jm_>!tell clodde -about d-m
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02:54<ziad>ok, these are non-free :)
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02:54<clodde><jm_: oh, ok
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03:03<digitaloktay>hi
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03:16<sheldonh>http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt only goes back as far as jan 1 this year. how can i find older removals? (trying to motivate for dropping logsurfer from our servers)
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03:16<sheldonh>doh, nevermind
03:17<sheldonh>http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed
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03:17<jm_>you can also find that on packages.qa.debian.org for one particular package
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03:17<sheldonh>doh, of course!
03:18<sheldonh>jm_: and if not there, it was never in debian?
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03:20<jm_>sheldonh: looks like it for this one - I can only find one wnpp bug for it
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03:53<TMcTrain>whats with an empty /etc/environment is this needed for debian?
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04:07<Gloonix>anyone around??
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04:09<stuart>how do I installe/enable a 3d desktop experience on Debian 5 with nvidia 5200 card?
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04:14<stuart>anybody?
04:14<ec0861>yes
04:15<ec0861>hello
04:15<ec0861>hai stuart
04:15<stuart>hi ec
04:15<stuart>do u know how to install a 3d desktop?
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04:17<ec0861>in ubuntu or in vista
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04:17<Tekno>:D
04:17<stuart>in Debian
04:18<Tekno>apt-get install compiz ?
04:18<ec0861>eda stuarte u can enable desk top cube in ubuntu
04:18<stuart>does that give you a little blue icon that allows you to choose b/w compiz and metacity?
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04:18<stuart>ec -- I'm using Debian not Ubuntu
04:20<Tekno>I dont remember which package that comes from
04:20<stuart>ok
04:21<stuart>ok i apt-got compiz
04:21<stuart>now what?
04:21<Tekno>in terminal: compiz&
04:22<stuart>XGL not present -- but in synaptic I searched for nvidia and installed what i thought was the driver and corresponding kernel
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04:23<Tekno>www.nvidia.com has drivers for you
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04:24<stuart>i shoudl use those rather than synaptic?
04:25<Tekno>yes
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04:26<jm_>no you shouldn't
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04:26<Gloonix>does anyone know if apt does (or is going to) support a rollback feature.
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04:26<stuart>jm_ -- plse explain?
04:27<jm_>!tell stuart -about nvidia
04:27<Tekno>nvidias website has more up to date drivers
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04:28<stuart>ok
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04:31<stuart>thanks guys
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04:41<eluveitie>hi
04:42<eluveitie>i like children
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04:42<eluveitie>to fuck
04:42<eluveitie>i want to fuck you
04:42<eluveitie>i am gay
04:42<eluveitie>you to??
04:43<Tekno>yes
04:43<eluveitie>come to me
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04:44<eluveitie>for some game
04:44<eluveitie>youporn.com
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05:11<guida>!list
05:11<dpkg>one warez list being sent to guida
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05:13<Gloonix>!list
05:13<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gloonix
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05:14<ml>anybody around?
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05:17<Starbuck33>hingwah, after a clean lenny installation i can see my 2 windows-ntfs partitions in nautilus, but cant use them. nautilus tells me: cannot mount volume. could somebody help me with that?
05:17<jm_>try mounting it manually as root
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05:18<Starbuck33>is there no other way to get it done automatically? i mean, i already can see the partitons in nautilus....
05:19<jm_>that's just to test if it works - it can be mounted in fstab
05:19<Starbuck33>yes, it works, i also have isntalles the ntfs-3g drivers
05:19<jm_>so mount it in fstab
05:20<Starbuck33>ok, i'll try
05:20<Starbuck33>is it better to mount in /mnt or /media ?
05:20<dibyajyoti>how can i join xen irc channel?
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05:21<jm_>doesn't really matter, I am used to mnt
05:21<dibyajyoti>all they say on the website is IRC - Freenode:##xen
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05:21<jm_>connect to irc.freenode.net and join the channel
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05:22<ml>can someone help me with urxvt?
05:22<jm_>!ask
05:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
05:22<Starbuck33>jm_, thank you!
05:22<dibyajyoti>ok
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05:22<jm_>Starbuck33: np
05:23<ml>urxvt won't launch with set geometry
05:23<jm_>more details
05:23<ml>Urxvt*geometry: 125x83
05:23<dibyajyoti>thank you
05:23<ml>won't accept the above
05:24<jm_>you mean it starts but doesn't honour the setting?
05:24<ml>launches at defualt size
05:24<ml>yes jm_
05:24<jm_>ml: what does 'appres URxvt' say?
05:24<ml>even tried different sizes, but still will not work
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05:26<ml>jm_: it lists all settings
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05:26<jm_>ml: including geometry?
05:26<ml>yes
05:27<ml>do I need to logout and back in?
05:27<dibyajyoti>does xen hypervisor support sata hdd
05:27<ml>maybe something to do with openbox?
05:28<dibyajyoti>i have an Acer box with Intel G31 + ICH7-DH Chipset Motherboard
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05:29<jm_>hmm what does 'which urxvt' say?
05:29<ml>/usr/bin/urxvt
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05:31<jm_>maybe you have it in another file, it tries to read several files
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05:32<ml>i have it set in .Xdefualts
05:32<ml>.Xdefaults
05:32<jm_>yes, appres indicates that but urxvt seems to have its own handling too
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05:33<Ikarus>While my debian mirror works fine for existing Debian installs, for some reason the Debian installer is claiming that it is invalid and doesn't contain a Release file (which it does at /debian/dists/lenny/Release
05:33<ml>hmmm
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05:33<jm_>does urxvt -geometry work?
05:33<ml>haven't tried that yet
05:33<ml>ima try it brb
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05:36<Ikarus>what on earth, the stable bjuisness card iso is looking for the unstable Release file
05:36<jm_>heh
05:37<ml>yes it works that way, but a bit smaller than the size I gave it
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05:37<taner>hi
05:38<ml>hello
05:38<jm_>Ikarus: see bug 517231
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05:39<taner>it is an error with sound driver and dont know how to fix, alsamixer sends: function snd_ctl_open failed..
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05:40<Ikarus>Hmmmm, I love virtual machines though
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05:40<Ikarus>no more crawling around noisy server rooms to setup a new machine
05:40<jm_>taner: run 'cat /proc/asound/cards'
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05:41<taner> 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
05:41<taner> HDA NVidia at 0xf9ef8000 irq 20
05:41<jm_>so it's there
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05:42<jm_>how about 'amixer info' ?
05:42<taner>jm_: what is than the problem..
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05:42<jm_>taner: not sure yet, perhaps you need updated ALSA driver - which kernel version is this?
05:42<taner>Linux version 2.6.26-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-13)
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05:44<taner>debian 5
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05:44<ml>jm_: thnxs for your help
05:44<taner>i installed alsa-driver 1.0.18rc3
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06:07<peng_>hello
06:07<peng_>nice
06:07<peng_>to
06:07<peng_>meet
06:07<peng_>all
06:07<peng_>of
06:07<peng_>you
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06:08<Guest869>ok
06:08<fastidio>hi peng
06:09<Guest869>hi
06:09<fastidio>where's ping?
06:09<fastidio>and pong?
06:09<Guest869>i am a newcomer here
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06:09<Guest869>what is your meaning?
06:09<Guest869>?
06:09<Guest869>what do you mean
06:09<fastidio>it's a joke
06:09<fastidio>no matter
06:09<Guest869>haha
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06:10<Guest869>which country do you come from
06:10<fastidio>italy
06:10<fastidio>rome
06:10<weasel>!enter
06:10<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
06:10<fastidio>and what about you?
06:10<Guest869>China
06:10<fastidio>suspected
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06:11<Guest869>Italy is a very beautiful country
06:11<Guest869>why?
06:11<fastidio>for your name
06:11<fastidio>peng
06:11<Guest869>it is my family name
06:11<weasel>!offtopic
06:11<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
06:12<Guest869>I'm sorry
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06:19<ppkarppi>Hello everybody - I'm relatively new Debian user, but know some other distributions well. I was wondering where I could find information about how to compile and install a custom kernel on the latest Debian Lenny the proper way. I did a Google search, but found only instructions to earlier Debian version and when I tried the instructions it did not work with Lenny.
06:20<streuner__>!listkeys custom
06:20<dpkg>Factoid search of 'custom' by key (15 of 26): #debian custom cd ;; #debian custom d-i ;; #debian custom netinst ;; #debian customize ;; _default custom kernel ;; _default custom netinst ;; _default customer ;; build custom package ;; custom boot floppies ;; custom cd ;; custom netinst ;; custom startup script ;; customers ;; customize ;; happy customer.
06:21<petern>happy customer? hehe
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06:21<streuner__>ppkarppi: why do you need newer kernel?
06:22<ppkarppi>I need it to enable support for my Option Icon 3G modem.
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06:22<ppkarppi>Latest kernel supports it.
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06:24<ppkarppi>I'd also like to enable "desktop pre-emptive" on kernel to have a good performance for professional audio work.
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06:27<streuner__>ppkarppi: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelCustomCompilation
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06:32<streuner__>ppkar: did you check out backports.org too?
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06:43<brunner>Hi folks. I just rooted a box and I'm wondering if there would be any consequences if I edit /var/log/messages
06:44<ShoesLife>why would you do that brunner ?
06:44<ShoesLife>you're a hacker ?
06:44<brunner>ShoesLife: certainly not
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06:45<brunner>I want to remove lines like this: messages:Mar 6 04:34:00 host sshd[1487]:
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06:46<Maulkin>brunner: could you provide further details as to your rooting a box? We need to be sure that we're not engaging in illegal activity before we can help.
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06:54<brunner>more importantly, how do I prevent bash from saving the history after I log out
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06:55<brunner>Maulkin: it's just a box on my network. I'm trying to learn how hackers do their stuff.
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07:11<Woet>My servers crashes every few days and switches to read-only filesystem
07:12<Woet>I already replaced the harddisks, so I think the only problem could be the RAID controller or something else
07:12<Woet>http://pastebin.com/d65726e4a
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07:12<Woet>That's from dmesg, how can I found out what's causing the problem?
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07:13<weasel>that looks like a broken filesystem.
07:13<Woet>weasel;
07:13<Woet>the harddisks got replaced and the operating system reinstalled
07:13<weasel>fun.
07:13<weasel>have you run memtest86?
07:13<Woet>no, I shall do that right now
07:14<weasel>(not that I think it's ram, but it's a cheap thing to exclude)
07:14<Tekno>my files corrupted because of broken ram
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07:14<Woet>weasel: is 'memtest86' the command to start it up?
07:15<weasel>you have to boot into it
07:15<Woet>hmm
07:15<Tekno>its in grub menu
07:15<weasel>grub-update should add it to the grub menu
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07:15<Woet>that will be hard, it's a rackspace server 300 mile saway
07:15<Woet>miles away *
07:15<weasel>and you don't have remote console?
07:15<Woet>no.
07:15<weasel>can't help you then
07:15<Woet>besides a SSH server of course
07:15<Woet>hmm
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07:16<Woet>you can't run any memtest while the server is booted?
07:16<Sunny>Hallo zusammen
07:17<Tekno>Woet: do you think he can stop the memtest from 300 miles away ;p
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07:17<Tekno>:D
07:17<Woet>Tekno: hmm?
07:17<brunner>I just unset unset HISTFILE on that box I rooted, btw
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07:18<Sunny>Please, can anyone help me ?
07:18<Sunny>i brought an USB PCI Adapter 2.0 from D-Link
07:18<Sunny>i use the new lanny System
07:19<Tekno>lanny ;D
07:19<Sunny>but the card doesn't work :(
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07:19<Sunny>and there are nor drivers for it from d-link :(
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07:19<Torsten_W>Sunny: "doesn't work" sayes nothing!
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07:20<Torsten_W>Sunny: USB PCI Adapter 2.0 from D-Link <== no one knows, what thing that is!
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07:20<Sunny>it is an PCI card with 2 USB Ports
07:20<Tekno>lspci and dmesg output would be helpful
07:20<lione>Sunny: lspci
07:20<Sunny>brcause its an old PC with only USB 1.1
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07:21<Woet>weasel: so, I can simply do nothing but let it crash every few days?
07:21<Torsten_W>lspci brings nothing for a usb-device
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07:21<Torsten_W>lsusb could help
07:21<Sunny>can i massage it out here or in private ?
07:21<Torsten_W>use a pastebin
07:21<weasel>Woet: replace more parts. or ask the vendor to fix it. if you built it yourself you have to go replacing parts yourself
07:22<Woet>weasel: hmm, I'll just tell them to replace everything but the harddisks
07:22<weasel>for instance
07:23<TMcTrain>Sunny: first clue is, the bot up screen from the bios can you see the adapter listet there?
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07:23<Woet>weasel: any idea how to find a serial number from the RAM?
07:24<TMcTrain>Sunny: second ... the lspci can show if the card is aknowledged by the system
07:24<Woet>I doubt they actually replaced anything, but I just need some proof
07:24<weasel>lshw?
07:24<weasel>dmidecode
07:24<weasel>smartctl
07:24<Woet>ty
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07:24<Sunny>lspci don't show me the Adapter :(
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07:25<Sunny>There only the USB 1.1 Hostcontroller
07:25<TMcTrain>Sunny: its a normal Adapter Card and shouldn't need an aditional driver
07:25<Tekno>lspci then if its pci device
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07:25<TMcTrain>try lspci -v
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07:26<Gloonix>hello how can I get my scanner listed in sane as supported so that dist-upgrade does not wipe out my libsane.rules
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07:28<Sunny>with the command lspci -v my new Adapter isn't listed :(
07:28<TMcTrain>Sunny: adapter or pci-slot damaged?
07:29<TMcTrain>try different one
07:29<TMcTrain>(pci-slot) :-)
07:29<enriq>hello. In a dual boot scenario win+gnu/linux, I'd like to have a /home/me to share when booting in any of the systems. What I don't know is what is better to have, an ext3 partion to r/w from windoze or an ntfs partition to r/w from gnu/linux
07:29<Sunny>K, i will try it
07:29<Sunny>Could it also be that there isn't enough Power ?
07:30<TMcTrain>last week I fried two slots using a wrong 2LPT-Port PCI Adapter :-)
07:31<TMcTrain>the power should only be the problem while acessing the USB devices pluged in, the power is enough vor accessing the pci card
07:31<TMcTrain>* for
07:32<Sunny>i see. Thanks. Will try a different one
07:32<Sunny>see u
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07:35<Jflesch>enriq: I would say a vfat partition : as far as I know, it's only FS officially fully supported on both systems
07:35<Jflesch>+the
07:35<TMcTrain>I don't like ext3 from windows (journaling may not work)
07:35<Jflesch>enriq: but vfat has no journaling and no permission mechanism
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07:37<TMcTrain>enriq: like Jflesch suggested, I'm useing vfat for access with both systems
07:38<TMcTrain>how good are the new ntfs drivers for linux? :-)
07:39<erKURITA>new?
07:39<erKURITA>You mean the fuse ones or proper write drivers?
07:39<TMcTrain>proper write driver
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07:40<erKURITA>haven't tried them, in fear of wreakage
07:40<erKURITA>wreckage*
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07:40<enriq>Jflesch TNcTrain you basically agree that an ext3 or another gnu/linux native fs is not good for accessing from windoze
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07:44<TMcTrain>with th extfs driver for Windows I know and used its not a good idear to write to (ext2 may work but ext3 had no journaling support back then)
07:45<Jflesch>enriq: don't know, I never tried ; the only thing I know for sure is that the ext3 support in Windows is probably not official and so maybe not reliable enough
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07:47<assa>안녕하십니까
07:47<assa>궁금한게 있어서 그런데
07:47<assa>좀 알려주세요
07:47<TMcTrain>enriq: so I won't suggest to use ext for transfer
07:48<assa>ㅡㅡ;
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07:48<assa>전부 외국인이신가;;
07:49<TMcTrain>assa: what language?
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07:49<enriq>TMcTrain thanks
07:49<assa>i'm no English speaking
07:50<enriq>anyone with experience on ntfs from gnu/linux?
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07:50<Tekno>assa: what language then
07:50<dr|z3d>enriq: Sure, works, fine.
07:50<assa>sorry i'm korea
07:50<enriq>drz3d: in r/w?
07:51<enriq>reliable?
07:51<assa>한국분 안계세요
07:51<assa>;;;
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07:51<Tekno>!kr
07:51<dpkg>i heard kr is Korea (South)
07:52<dr|z3d>enriq: For me, it's worked without hitch.
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07:52<Txt-file>enriq: what's your problem?
07:52<TMcTrain>dr|z3d: are u using special drivers?
07:52<assa>bye
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07:54<enriq>Txt-file: dual boot system, I want to share /home/me, question is what is better, ext3 r/w from windows or ntfs/other from gnu/linux
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07:54<Sunny>Hello again
07:54<Sunny>No USB 2.0 works :)
07:55<TMcTrain>glückwunsch
07:55<Txt-file>I would say ntfs from linux is many ways better ... but I haven't tried the ext3 windows driver
07:55<Sunny>you are riht. Seems that the pci slot isn't working anymore :(
07:55<Sunny>:)
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07:57<dr|z3d>enriq: I'd definitely access ntfs from Linux rather than ext3 from Windows.
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07:58<enriq>dr|z3d: is there any special driver I should use? what are the good ones?
07:58<enriq>on the other hand, this is more a transition, so using ext3 is preferable to me if it were reliable...
07:59<dr|z3d>enriq: ntfs3g is what you want, probably.
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07:59<dr|z3d>enriq: If you want a gui to map ntfs drives, then ntfsconfig you might find of use, also.
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08:03<dr|z3d>enriq: That said, I haven't touched the windows ext3 driver, so I can't comment explicitly on how it works.
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08:03<enriq>dr|z3d: many thanks
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08:04<ozdeb>hi everyone, can some one help me pinpoint a problem with ldap client ? I can do ldapsearch -x user, but when I do id user, the machine says unknow id: user
08:04<ozdeb>anyhelp will be appreciated
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08:06<dr|z3d>enriq: The other thing to mention is that on a slower system, using ntfs under Linux does have a cpu overhead.. probably not an issue on faster machines.
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08:06<vanlife> mmmmmmmm
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08:06<yl>hi all
08:07<vanlife>lenny unstable((
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08:08<luckyyy>wesh les gars sa va
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08:08<vanlife>help me install lenny for text mode
08:08<yl>Hi vanlife
08:08<luckyyy>c qui vanlife
08:08<dr|z3d>!tell luckyyy about fr
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08:09<vanlife>not install for my pc
08:09<luckyyy>vous parler francais
08:09<yl>hi vanlife
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08:09<luckyyy>les gars
08:09<dr|z3d>luckyyy: Svp, rejoignez #debian-fr
08:09<enriq>salut luckyyy
08:09<luckyyy>slt
08:09<enriq>mais dr|z3d a raison :)
08:09<luckyyy>sa va
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08:10<yl>@ luckyyy /join debian-fr
08:10<luckyyy>nn je rejoin pas debian fr
08:10<enriq> /join #debian-fr
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08:11<luckyyy>non
08:11<adb>?
08:11<enriq>pq pas?
08:11<dr|z3d>!ops luckyyy spamming
08:11<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: luckyyy spamming
08:11<luckyyy>qoi
08:11*dr|z3d sourit.
08:11<yl>Please Lucky, not everyone speak french here. Lucky, tout le monde ne parle pas bécessairement français ici. May I tell it to uou in brasilian portuguese ?
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08:11<dr|z3d>luckyyy: Either speak English here, or join the french channel. Simple. :)
08:12<luckyyy>ya qqun qui parle francais
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08:12<weasel>have a nice day.
08:12-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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08:12<yl>@ vanlife, i guess the process is not very different from etch, so just don't install X on it
08:13<yl>:)
08:13<yl>In fact you may have tio install a fake X server (see mans) on it
08:14<yl>*to
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08:15<paul0>hi, which java plugin for mozilla i should use under debian adm64?
08:17<yl>I'm looking for threads specialists :) is there a chan for that ?
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08:18<valdyn>yl: the programming channel for whichever language
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08:28<ozdeb>question about LDAP: can ldap users automatically log in to a node via ssh ?
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08:30<padski>ozdeb, huh ?
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08:30<ozdeb>padski, it seems the answer to my question is yes, but some how I can query the user, but not log into from another machine
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08:30<ozdeb>padski, I know it is a wierd question, but ldap is tricking me
08:31<padski>ozdeb, you can login locally ?
08:31<padski>ozdeb, what does it log ?
08:32<ozdeb>padski, no, because this user does not exist on the machine, only as ldap user
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08:32<ozdeb>padski, currently there is only root on that machine
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08:32<padski>ozdeb, perhaps I have misunderstood "ldap user", what do you mean ?
08:33<ozdeb>padski, I have an ldap server, and ldap client
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08:33<ozdeb>i want to log in to the ldap client with users who are authenticated in the ldap server
08:33<padski>ozdeb, that is the sort of thing I thought you meant.
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08:34<ozdeb>padski, so, I should be able to log into with user mirko, if I can query mirko from the client, but that does not work
08:37<ozdeb>padski, can I comment out account required line in /etc/pam.d/common-account or it is to dangerous ?
08:38<padski>ozdeb, http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM
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08:44<ozdeb>padski, thanks, my file looks a little bit different I followed this tutorial http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/585#ldap-test1
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08:45<ozdeb>and yet it does not work ! I can do ldapsearch -x user on the machine, but I can't ssh with that user...
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08:47<padski>ozdeb, that's a pity, cos I understand this one, I was struggling with the other.
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08:47<padski>ozdeb, so you have pam_unix as sufficient and then pam_ldap as required ?
08:48<batistet>hello
08:49<padski>ozdeb, anyway, what does it log when the login fails ?
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08:49<ozdeb>padski, where is the log ?
08:49<padski>ozdeb, in /var/log/auth probably
08:49<valdyn>ozdeb: /var/log/auth.log.2.gz
08:49<valdyn>ozdeb: /var/log/auth.log
08:50<padski>yeah :-)
08:50<ozdeb>my common-account says: pam_ldap.so sufficient, and pam_unix required
08:50<ozdeb>padski, shall i try and switch ? I look in the log now
08:50<padski>ozdeb, the tutorial has that the other way around, which makes sense to me
08:51<batistet>which package should i install if i want to see flash videos with the web browser?
08:51<batistet>please
08:51<padski>!flash
08:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
08:51<ozdeb>which tutorial ? the one I linked or the debian wiki ?
08:51<padski>ozdeb, the one you linked to
08:52<ozdeb>padski, well I could have typed it error.
08:52<ozdeb>will check again
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08:53<batistet>do i need to add repositories?
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08:53<batistet>is it possible to download the package with synaptic?
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08:54<dr|z3d>batistet: flashplugin-nonfree
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08:54<dr|z3d>batistet: Either synaptic or aptitude/apt-get
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08:54<dr|z3d>batistet: You may need to add repositories, yes.
08:54<padski>batistet, if I recall correctly, gnash is in main, adobe is on backports, you may need to add a repo for backports, and yes synaptic should work.
08:54<batistet>that's what i thought
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08:54<batistet>the repositories...
08:54<dr|z3d>batistet: That will install the adobe plugin.. there's also swfdec or gnash..
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08:55<padski>gnash has been working well for me lately
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08:56<batistet>ok
08:57<batistet>my question was due to a package i found with ubuntu
08:57<batistet>contained all or almost all plugins
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08:57<buffoon_work>batistet, just add "contrib non-free" to your line in the /etc/apt/sources.list
08:57<batistet>i'm sorry i don't know if i can mention ubuntu in here
08:58<dr|z3d>batistet: flashplugin-nonfree for the adobe plugin.. or gnash or swfdec.. let us know how you get on :)
08:58<buffoon_work>it should read like: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
08:58*dr|z3d waits for batistet to get on installing.
08:58<batistet>yes i did see that repository in synaptic
08:58<ozdeb>padski, I changed everything to be exactly as the tutorial.
08:58<buffoon_work>then apt-get update; apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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08:59<ozdeb>I still have not managed to login via ssh
08:59<batistet>but my question now is if there is a package like the on i mentioned above
08:59<padski>ozdeb, find anything in the logs ?
08:59<padski>batistet, not that I'm aware of. what is it called in ubuntu ?
08:59<batistet>restricted extras or something like that if i recall
08:59<ozdeb>the log file says: Failed password for mirko from 192.168.1.1 ....
09:00<batistet>it contains 24 packages
09:00<padski>ozdeb, and did it say that before you changed common-account ?
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09:00<batistet>with codecs and all that
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09:00<ozdeb>yes
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09:01<batistet>padski ubuntu restricted extras
09:01<batistet>or something like that
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09:01<batistet>and there is one for xubuntu and another one for kubuntu
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09:03<batistet>do i have to install every codec separately?
09:03<padski>!dmm
09:03<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
09:03<ozdeb>padski, maybe I need to restart the system to make the changes ?
09:04<padski>batistet, dmm (see dpkg factoid above) may be what you are looking for.
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09:04<padski>!reboot
09:04<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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09:07<batistet>i will try the one you mentioned
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09:07<batistet>flashplugin
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09:08<ozdeb>padski, now I can't even log in with root to this machine ! I get ssh node001: Connection closed by 192.168.1.201
09:09<And1>I'm using lenny's apache; anyone knows, why there are icons of different sizes? http://img3.abload.de/img/apachenj2l.png
09:09<padski>ozdeb, ouch!
09:09<ozdeb>I think the pam.d files now are gone crazy!
09:09<ozdeb>darn !
09:09<padski>ozdeb, you have physical access ?
09:09<ozdeb>yes, I will boot with a live cd and fix it. but IT IS really annoying I've been messing arround with this LDAP for months now
09:10<ozdeb>and I can't get it comply
09:10<ozdeb>anyways, I have to go
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09:10<ozdeb>Sorry, and thanks for your help
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09:11<Cadmium01>Any gtk developers here? I was wondering i f php gtk is just as powerful as python tk?
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09:17<sardaukar>hello
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09:17<sardaukar>can anyone lend a hand to a n00b trying to build a DEB package?
09:17<Hydroxide>sardaukar: you should ask in #debian-mentors
09:17<sardaukar>ok, thanks!
09:17<Hydroxide>sardaukar: good luck
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09:33<zem>hi, i added debian-multimedia mirror to my sources and installed something from it, now my vlc doesn't show mkv files any more. Is there a log where i can see what packages i have installed so i can try to remove them? or a way to make vlc play mkv files again?
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09:33<panthera>such as /var/log/dpkg.log ?
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09:35<zem>yup, that one will do, thank you
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09:36<urbinek>hi
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09:36<urbinek>sup :D?
09:36<lemonzes1>set activity_hide_level parts joins quits
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09:37<lemonzes1>oops forgot a / there, sorry
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09:41<klando>Hi,I have an issue with my knetwork-manager and a VPNC which usually work fine, and don't work today... How canI debug knetworkmanager in order to find the problem ? (I only get some spare message which do not help)
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09:43<klando>I am using sid but due torecent bugreport I stick at 1:0.2.2-2
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09:45<klando>and the network-manager-vpnc : 0.7.0.97-1
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09:48<adb>no sid support
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09:52<klando>adb, I don't call for support ! I just ask 'how to debug things with networkmanager'
09:54<themill>klando: with great difficulty. There is normally quite some chatter in /var/log/daemon.log, however.
09:54<klando>hum, yes, I didn't think to go in this one butsyslog, tks themill
09:54<themill>np
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10:22<johnfg>hi folks
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10:23<johnfg>Where does debian 'typically' keep its web files? /var/www/html? I note, in this new installation, that index.html is in /var/www.
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10:24<Hydroxide>johnfg: it's been /var/www as long as I can remember
10:24<Hydroxide>johnfg: though there are also valid arguments for putting it under /srv - it's really up to how you want to arrange it as the system administrator, but Debian defaults to /var/www
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10:29<petern>who uses /srv ? heh
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10:34<Cadmium01>how do I determine which shell I am using by dfefault?
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10:34<amphi>it's in /etc/passwd
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10:35<amphi>echo $SHELL will tell you what shell you're currently running
10:35<Cadmium01>amphi, thanks, bash it is :)
10:35<Cadmium01>is there a way to cinfigure bash to display host and user differently or in color?
10:36<amphi>search for PS1 in man bash
10:36<amphi>PS1 is the normal shell prompt
10:37<amphi>actually, 'PROMPTING' is what you want to search for
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10:37<Cadmium01>cool thanks amphi
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10:39<amphi>man console_codes has info on setting colours
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10:47<Cadmium01>where is bash settings stored on debian?
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10:49<Mastro>hello all!
10:50<Mastro>which chat server you recommend to me?
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10:51<Cadmium01>Mastro, for what?
10:51<Mastro>private and secure chat
10:52<Cadmium01>server to join or to install?
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10:53<Mastro>i've a debian server
10:54<Cadmium01>Mastro, look up irc servers
10:54<Cadmium01>apt-cache search irc
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10:54<Mastro>Cadmium01: no jabber?
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10:55<Cadmium01>Mastro, anything you like
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10:56<Mastro>Cadmium01: sorry i don't know which software use
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10:57<Cadmium01>Mastro, what do you u want to achieve, describe what you want
10:57<redondos><mutt-patched> diverts <mutt>'s /usr/bin/mutt to /usr/bin/mutt.org -- I'd like to change this so that <mutt-patched>'s binary is /usr/bin/mutt-patched and <mutt>'s is /usr/bin/mutt. dpkg doesn't allow me to either remove the diversion nor to create a new, conflicting one. what's the right way of doing this?
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10:58<Mastro>Cadmium01: i want a private chat server for security chatting, because msn is an unsecure channel
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10:59<Cadmium01>Mastro, will there be many chat users or you and one more person?
11:00<johnfg>Hydroxide, Thanks, I'll go ahead and transfer the site files to /var/www then.
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11:00<Mastro>Cadmium01: more users but irc or jabber support them
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11:01<Mastro>Cadmium01: i don't know which i have to use
11:01<Cadmium01>Mastro, either setup provate jabber server pr private irc server I gess
11:01<Cadmium01>Mastro, whichever you want
11:01<mans9k>i need some help with audio on my laptop running amd64
11:01<Cadmium01>it's up to you
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11:01<Cadmium01>mans9k, do you have alsa?
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11:02<mans9k>Cadmium01: i have an aspire as7530g lap, havin amd tux 2 rm70, nvidia alc7888s sound adapter,
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11:03<Cadmium01>try> sudo apt-get install alsa
11:03<mans9k>audio drivers are loaded , when i play a movie or audio file, i cannot hear anything from the speaker, audio volume is at max and unmutted
11:03<Cadmium01>then > sudo alsaconf
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11:04<cahoot>sound is best tested using speaker'test -t wav -c2 in a terminal
11:04<mans9k>alsa is installed, if i connect head fones to audio output jack i can hear very low sound
11:04<cahoot>err speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal
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11:06<mans9k>speaker test run, no sound
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11:06<cahoot>mans9k: I suppose the device uses snd-hda-intel - it might need some moduleoption - look for a file called ALSA-Configuration.txt
11:07<mans9k>where is the file
11:07<maxb>redondos: I've pretty much come to the conclusion it's impossible without evil manual hackery of dpkg's datafiles
11:07<redondos>maxb: I'm reaching the same conclusion
11:08<redondos>anyway, thanks for looking into it.
11:09<Cadmium01>What do I do after updateing /etc/bash.bashrc to have it work? I changed PS1 but when I start gnome terminal it's the same
11:09<mans9k>found da fle....
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11:12<mans9k>Cadmium01: i am new to debian, where can i change module options
11:12<Cadmium01>mans9k, not sure, I'm a noob too :)
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11:14<mans9k>what is the syntax for writing module options in /etc/module, HELP!!
11:15<cahoot>mans9k: IIRC you could just create a file in /etc/modprobe.d with the line: options snd-hda-intel =<option>
11:15<cahoot>(and don't yell)
11:15<gsimmons>mans9k: Try "options snd-hda-intel model=acer".
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11:16<mans9k>there are lots of lines in /etc/alsa/modprobe.d , one of em is install snd-hda-intel /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-hda-intel $CMDLINE_OPTS && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-hda-intel
11:17<mans9k>do i need to change anything in this
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11:18<cahoot>don't mess with the defaults
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11:18<gsimmons>mans9k: No, create a new file with the module option(s), as advised by cahoot.
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11:19<mans9k>what after creating the fiile, do i need to restart?
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11:21<cahoot>just (as root) alsa force-reload
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11:22<cahoot>(*should* suffice)
11:23<mans9k>i got .. WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-new.options line 1: ignoring bad line starting with '"options'
11:24<cahoot>paste the line
11:24<gsimmons>mans9k: Remove the surrounding quotes from my example. They weren't to be included.
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11:26<mans9k>no improvement
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11:28<cahoot>run speaker-test -t wav -c2 in one terminal and alsamixer in another and try different mixer adjustments
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11:30<gsimmons>mans9k: What does "cat /proc/asound/version" return?
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11:30<mans9k>1.0.16
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11:31<mans9k>changed alsa module options > options snd-hda-intel model=3stack-6ch-dig power_save=0
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11:32<mans9k>no change yet, :(
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11:34<cahoot>mans9k: you said the card was alc788s?
11:35<mans9k>alc7888s
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11:36<cahoot>google turns up a blank for that
11:36<cahoot>got a pciid?
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11:37<mans9k>how do i get the pci id?
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11:38<cahoot>try lspci -kn
11:38<mans9k>00:07.0 0403: 10de:0774 (rev a1)
11:38<mans9k> Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
11:38<mans9k> Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
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11:40<gsimmons>cahoot: ALC888(S), AFAICT.
11:40<cahoot>mans9k: you probably would stand a better chance with a newre alsaversion - like 1.0.18
11:40<gsimmons>mans9k: You can try ALSA 1.0.17: aptitude update && aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa && alsa force-reload
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11:41<mans9k>sound worked good in alsa 1.0.19 in bluewhite64
11:41<ramoonas>hi all. Can anyone help me with grub. It fails to do anything, just shows a black screen with white font saying "GRUB"
11:41<ramoonas>and that is all
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11:43<mans9k>i will be back in some time...
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11:46<Cadmium01>who's going to be the man and tell me what file to edit to set SH1 and have it set permanently?
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11:49<leontina>I want to uninstall (remove) ekiga - but it tries to remove gnome and other programs - how can I remove uniinstall only ekiga - I know there is a command but I forgot
11:49<Cadmium01>leontina, dpkg --help
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12:00<themill>leontina: etch? lenny?
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12:06<person>Um
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12:06<person>Where did Emerald go?
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12:08<person>And uh, dekorator's window decorations aren't showing up :-(
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12:16<racerx>i can't seem to connect through vpn to my workplace. can anyone help?
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12:31<pawel>will system prompt me for language each login if I don't select default locale?
12:32<pawel>Is Debian from britain or US ?
12:32<gravity>Um... both and then some?
12:33<gravity>It's a worldwide project. There are Debian developers on every continent except Antarctica
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12:35<pawel>what country fluxbox is made in?
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12:35<gravity>I don't know if you understand how Free Software works...
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12:36<azeem>pawel: please keep it on topic
12:36<gravity>It's all volunteers who can live anywhere. We collaborate via the internet to build software.
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12:36<gravity>So the software isn't made in any one place
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12:37<vald0r>I have to reinstall MySQL, But i'm wondering before hand if I use apt-get to reinistall it if it will destroy my MySQL database's?
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12:38<goodtime>anybody feel like helpin me with some debion based questions
12:38<goodtime>debian*
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12:39<pawel>if I try to install fluxbox when console is in my language, there's a translation error. will it work when I set British English or American English?
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12:39<goodtime>i want to install it on this eeepc note book i have because this xandros has to go
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12:40<goodtime>i have a 2 gig flash drive scandisk flash drive and is that enoughf to download a good debian install
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12:41<goodtime>and i prob have to go into the bios and set the drive to boot first ofcourse
12:42<cahoot>goodtime: if no help here maybe try #debian-eeepc
12:42<goodtime>format it mount it get permissins etc first and formost thoe right?
12:42<goodtime>ok
12:42<goodtime>ty
12:43<cahoot>or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC
12:43<craigevil>goodtime: i have debian sid with lxde on my 701 4g my install is around 1.4gb
12:43<goodtime>sweet
12:44<goodtime>i have a 900a with only a 4 gig hdd lol
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12:44<goodtime>but i have a 250 gig external hdd up and running
12:45<goodtime>thanks for the info fellas
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12:53<teste1>jogarsinuca
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12:55<Washi>hello everyone; using debian lenny, kde 3.5.10 and the corresponding version of konqueror
12:55<Washi>I had recently had problems with a lot of web pages
12:55<Washi>but I changed the browser identification
12:55<Washi>so that the browser is seen as firefox
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12:56<Washi>now the sites display properly and load faster
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12:56<Washi>is there a way to set konq identification to another browser by default ?
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12:58<maxb>I'm dabbling with attempting to set up a buildd for a personal repository, and wonder if anyone knows the true story of wanna-build. There appear to be at least three forks? One as part of sbuild, one in a git repo at buildd.d.o, and one in a svn repo at cyberhqz.com ?
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13:00<jthomas>The Lenny-net-install.iso works in VirtualBox but the daily Testing and Sid both do not work; they say that they cannot find the hard drive (but its there and Lenny finds it fine). Where would I report this bug?
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13:11<vader897>bugs are coool, with out bugs we wouldnt have realistic software
13:11<mans9k>how do i install packages from source in debian
13:12<vader897>read the readme file
13:12<vader897>or install file
13:12<valdyn>mans9k: (as root ) apt-get build-dep <package> && ( not as root )apt-get -b source <package>
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13:12<mans9k>is it same as: ./configure, make make install?
13:12<mans9k>i would like to install alsa 1.0.19
13:13<valdyn>mans9k: you dont need that
13:13<valdyn>mans9k: *maybe* you need the latest alsa drivers though
13:13<s4br3>Hi, I am trying to find the old lib libXxf86dga.so.1 but cannot find it in my unstable/experimental repositories. Where should I look? Thanks!
13:13<mans9k>valdyn: how do i get latest alsa drivers
13:14<valdyn>mans9k: alsa-project.org
13:14<mans9k>for debian, valdyn
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13:14<fxiny>s4br3: http://archive.debian.org/ ?
13:14<valdyn>!versions alsa-source
13:15<valdyn>judd: versions alsa-source
13:15<judd>valdyn: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 squeeze: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1
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13:15<s4br3>fxiny, should I use that as a repository in sources.list?
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13:15<appaji>I am using the latest netinst testing image to install Debian on an X40 and the installer is not able to detect the hard disk. However, I can go to the console (Alt+F2) and see that the disk has been discovered successfully there.
13:16<mans9k>i added experimental to repository in synaptic, alsa 1.0.17 shows in list but it does not install
13:16<appaji>How do I get around this? There are a bunch of disk drivers that the installer shows and asks me to select from, but none of those work.
13:16<ml>hello, urxvt won't launch at my set geometry [125x83] set in .Xdefualts, but does when $ urxvt -geometry 125x83 and still the wrong size [a bit smaller like 125x82]
13:16<valdyn>mans9k: and we are supposed to guess the error?
13:17<mans9k>wait i will check valdyn
13:18<valdyn>!xdefaults
13:18<dpkg>hmm... xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically
13:18<mans9k>no wait, i have installed alsa-base 1.0.18
13:19<fxiny>s4br3: that's an archive
13:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 427] by debhelper
13:19<ml>dpkg: gdm? I don't have gdm installed
13:19<dpkg>no idea, ml
13:19<ml>ok
13:19<valdyn>ml: try what it sais
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13:21<mans9k>valkyn is it not possible to untar a source and install like i would do in say slackware
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13:21<valdyn>appaji: use the lenny installer
13:21<valdyn>mans9k: its possible, its also stupid in debian, since debian provides better mechanisms
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13:22<valdyn>mans9k: slackware does not provide better mechanisms
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13:22<mans9k>valdyn, i am not comparing either, just that debian does not have alsa 1.0.19
13:22<valdyn>mans9k: we know
13:23<valdyn>mans9k: i cant help you as you are not providing the error i asked for nor the issue you actually need to solve
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13:24<valdyn>mans9k: your "slackware method" will likely not work on debian nor slackware.
13:24<appaji>valdyn: isn't it the same kernel?
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13:24<valdyn>appaji: how do you know that the kernel is the error source?
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13:25<appaji>valdyn: you have a point.
13:25<mans9k>valkyn: all audio drivers are loaded, hardware is alc888 sound adapter, i hear no sound from speakers, machine is a laptop running debian lennny amd64, alsamixer shows all channels unmuted
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13:25<valdyn>mans9k: how are you playing sound?
13:25<mans9k>speaker-test
13:26<mans9k>and xine
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13:26<mans9k>if i plug headfones to headfone jack, i hear very low volume sound
13:26<ml>valdyn: i did $ xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults ... still the same
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13:28<valdyn>ml: run "urxvt" from a terminal and see if it complains about the option
13:28<ml>ok
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13:28<criadafi>HOLA
13:28<ml>nope just starts at default size 80x24
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13:29<ml>I get the same problem with xterm
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13:30<valdyn>mans9k: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=26835, you might have to move the old drivers away, those are at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound
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13:31<valdyn>ml: you are editing that file wrongly
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13:31<zem>mans9k: this seems like something that might help you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217789
13:31<ml>URxvt*geometry: 125x83 <--- that's how is set
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13:32<Dilane>hi all plz help me with mounting my external HDD
13:33<fxiny>ml: try without space --> URxvt*geometry:125x83
13:33<Dilane>something wrong with acces writes
13:33<ml>hi fxiny i will try
13:34<fxiny>ml: hi . i'm not 100% sure
13:34<ml>nope still the same
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13:34<valdyn>ml: this works fine with *geometry
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13:34<valdyn>ml: i dont know about URxvt or urxvt or whatever
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13:35<ml>try with just *geometry?
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13:36<valdyn>ml: i did that
13:36<fxiny>or URxvt.geometry: 154x36
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13:37<fxiny>i have an old URxvt .Xdefaults , but no geometry in it
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13:37<ml>ok I tried it both ways still the same
13:38<valdyn>ml: i think you are not merging the file
13:38<valdyn>ml: xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults
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13:38<ml>I need to merge after every edit?
13:38<valdyn>ml: sure
13:38<ml>doh
13:38<ml>let try again
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13:41<ml>ok but still the same...
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13:41<valdyn>ml: show us that file
13:41<ml>I get an error anything that is commented out
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13:42<valdyn>ml: you cant comment out like that
13:42<ml>.Xdefaults:1:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive #xterm
13:42<ml>.Xdefaults:14:3: error: invalid preprocessing directive #urxvt
13:42<ml>.Xdefaults:30:2: error: invalid preprocessing directive #URxvt
13:42<valdyn>ml: so what
13:42<valdyn>ml: # is not a comment sign in most languages
13:43<mans9k>valdyn: i guess i would go in for a kernel upgrade, but i am trying to compile and install alsa from source now
13:43<ml>I know i though it would accept it, I read the man page didn't notice anything special
13:44<ml>valdyn: how do I comment out then?
13:44<epitaph>use !
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13:44<ranix>lol ml
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13:45<ranix>The exclamation mark (!) or /*...*/ is used to comment a line in the .Xdefaults file
13:46*fxiny likes haskell --
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13:46<ml>thanks ranix epitaph
13:46<ranix>I don't mean to be a jerk, (actually I kind of do) but that answer appears *in the header text* for the first result on Google for "xdefaults comments"
13:46<ml>ok no errors same result
13:46<fxiny>- is one key press only .
13:47<eJones>I'm debugging my fairly complex late_command in a preseed install - is there a way to echo progress back to the curses screen? Its frustrating when I've accidentally put something that hangs in there, and the only way to find the problem is to [comment out a line, re-install, repeat]
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13:49<d3co>someone knows about nagios?
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13:49<stew>d3co: its a host monitoring tool
13:50<d3co>I know but I've problem with configuration
13:50<ml>thanks for the help guys
13:51<d3co># Definitions for monitoring a Windows machine
13:51<d3co>cfg_file=/etc/nagios3/objects/windows.cfg
13:51<d3co>I had created this cfg
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13:53<d3co>... nagios3 restart
13:53<d3co>Error: Template 'generic−host' specified in host definition could not be not found (config file '/etc/nagios3/objects/windows.cfg', starting on line 1)
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13:53<d3co>in windows.cfg i have...
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13:54<d3co>define host{
13:54<d3co> use generic−host
13:54<d3co> host_name pc1
13:54<d3co> alias pcwilson
13:54<d3co> address 192.168.1.21
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14:01<fiasko>d3co: you use a template (use generic-host) - but forgot to define it before, didn't you?
14:01<d3co>ok with --> max_check_attempts 5
14:01<epitaph>given it's in windows.cfg, I wonder if use windows-server is right? Otherwise it should be in hosts.cfg I think
14:02<epitaph>which is where generic-host is defined
14:02<d3co>and delete : use generic−host
14:02<k1lumin4t1>how's Debian support for SATA DVD Burners lately?
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14:03<d3co>its working now!! :)
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14:06<d3co>my first host has PENDING status! :(
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14:07<fiasko>d3co: just wait a moment
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14:11<Cadmium01>I think Imight be being hacked
14:12<lemonzes1>k1lumin4t1: i have a SATA DVD burner myself, works fine
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14:12<lemonzes1>its a Samsung S223F
14:12<Rioting_Pacifist>how can i move an partition end first using dd?
14:12<Cadmium01>localhost [127.0.0.1] 3306 (mysql) open
14:12<Cadmium01>?
14:12<Cadmium01>5.0.67-0.dotdeb.1�fYJF^(L$n,!Saly@p4Qx.u
14:12<Cadmium01>this is after I type nc -V localhost 3306
14:13<Cadmium01>what is the third line?
14:14<epitaph>it's what the server replies to you
14:14<Cadmium01>oh
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14:15<Cadmium01>epitaph, so it's ok?
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14:15<epitaph>yeah, that's just mysql open to local connections
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14:15<Cadmium01>is dotdeb a trusted source?
14:15<epitaph>netstat -tln # will show if it's open everywhere else
14:15<Cadmium01>I have it in sources.list
14:16<epitaph>it's not something connected, it's just some version information from the one installed on your machine
14:16<epitaph>I dunno exactly what it means, not a mysql expert ;)
14:16<Cadmium01>epitaph, thanks for explaining
14:16<epitaph>np
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14:29<nsa_fiend>i tried to launch firestarter (firewall) from a root shell and i got the message guarddog
14:29<nsa_fiend>No protocol specified
14:29<nsa_fiend>guarddog: cannot connect to X server :0
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14:31<fiasko>nsa_friend: seems you tried to start a X11 program when only having a terminal opened
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14:33<nsa_fiend>fiasko: i'm in kde
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14:34<fiasko>nsa_friend: how did you got root?
14:34<epitaph>nsa_fiend, do you have permission to connect to your display as root?
14:34<nsa_fiend>dunno. default config. i haven't changed anything
14:34<valdyn>nsa_fiend: you cannot do this if you used su to become root
14:34<nsa_fiend>do you think this is a kde thing?
14:35<epitaph>nsa_fiend, no, try: xhost + localhost # from a terminal where you're "you" and not root
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14:36<nsa_fiend>epitaph: it's a firewall app. it requires root privileges
14:36<fiasko>nsa_friend: use su w/o "-" or don't use sudo with reset_env should work, too
14:37<nsa_fiend>the root shell i'm in was launched with 'su' (no -)
14:37<valdyn>nsa_fiend: i told you su doesnt work
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14:37<epitaph>yeah, but if you logged into your kde as "you", root has no permission to use the terminal belonging to you
14:37<valdyn>nsa_fiend: use sudo or sux
14:37<nsa_fiend>oh...
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14:37<nsa_fiend>i dont have sudo installed
14:37<valdyn>nsa_fiend: sux does not need configuration
14:37<nsa_fiend>could sudo be a security risk?
14:37<valdyn>nsa_fiend: but sudo is better in the long term
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14:38<valdyn>nsa_fiend: anything can if you use it wrongly
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14:38<Cadmium01>When I ssh into systems and create tunnels It will keep the connection if I close gnome terminal, but if I exit it exits the connection too
14:38<valdyn>Cadmium01: right
14:38<Cadmium01>What do I need to do to list all tunels I have open? and how do I close them?
14:38<epitaph>well, it's a small security risk, but only if the people you give sudo rights to are idiots
14:38<valdyn>Cadmium01: netstat -plunt | grep sshd
14:39<valdyn>Cadmium01: probably ssh, not sshd
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14:39<fiasko>doing xhost +localhost is a bigger security risk on multi user systems ;)
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14:39<valdyn>Cadmium01: kill the process to close the tunnel
14:39<epitaph>fiasko, true
14:39<epitaph>you can copy over your X authority file
14:39<adama>gnome-appearance-properties is failing to change my background for some reason. Is there another way?
14:40<valdyn>adama: xsetroot
14:40<nsa_fiend>valdyn: did this change somewhere recently? i used to do this all the time
14:40<Cadmium01>valdyn, how wold I know which process to kill?
14:40<valdyn>nsa_fiend: no
14:40<valdyn>Cadmium01: netstat lists the port
14:40<nsa_fiend>wierd
14:40<fiasko>epitaph: I wonder that the XAUTHORITY environment variable is not set (any more), was it changed from Etch -> Lenny?
14:41<Cadmium01>18546/ssh is the nmber the process id?
14:41<Cadmium01>valdyn,
14:41<valdyn>Cadmium01: yes
14:42<Cadmium01>valdyn, awesome, thank you
14:42<epitaph>fiasko, hmm, dunno, don't have any etch system with X on it to poke about on..
14:42<adama>valdyn: man xsetroot does not say anything about setting a jpeg
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14:46<dirkmany>Ciao
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14:48<adama>nothing I change in gconf-editor has any effect
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14:49<Cadmium01>gnome does not save the size of windows after I close them. Is there a way to change this?
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14:51<adama>what the crap, I want to change my background
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14:56<epitaph>adama, get xli. then xli -onroot -quiet something.jpeg
14:56<fiasko>adama: is gnome enabled to manage your background?
14:57<epitaph>you'll need to put it in some kind of script so it does it at login though, not sure how to do that in gnome
14:57<adama>fiasko: there is a box for that in gconf-editor but makes no difference
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14:59<adama>epitaph: not too worried about that, I try to log in as little as possible ;)
14:59<adama>uptime 84 days currently
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14:59<epitaph>me too ;)
15:00<adama>my system is so screwy I have to run several commands on login just to get my xinerama working and gnome-panels in the right place etc
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15:01<adama>xli did not do anything
15:01<epitaph>right. Gnome may have something like .xsession you can put stuff in, but I dunno, never used it ;)
15:01<epitaph>hmm
15:01<adama>I've tried but got pissed off and said screw it
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15:02<fiasko>maybe you have some other app which draws your xroot? how does it look? or the gnome stuff is just crashed ;)
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15:02<epitaph>oh, wait, I have an odd memory gnome sticks an extra window layer in there; if you do xsetroot -solid rgb:0/0/0 # does it go black
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15:02<adama>everything is working great except the background is stuck
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15:02<epitaph>(or if it's black already try 255/255/255 for white)
15:03<adama>epitaph: that didn't do anything either
15:03<epitaph>yeah, I've a feeling it sticks another window sized the fill size of the screen in the way
15:03<linkslice>is it possible to make an entire group a a meber of another group?
15:04<epitaph>ISTR discovering this on my bosses machine one time
15:04<fiasko>linkslice: nope
15:04<epitaph>linkslice, nope
15:04<epitaph>heh
15:04<linkslice>didn't think so, thanks
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15:04<adama>it's currently an amazing gigantic image of a starfield: http://overdrive.polarcom.com/rosette_dustlanes.jpg
15:04<adama>but I'm sick of it :P
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15:06<adama>this is spanning 2 monitors btw
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15:07<epitaph>adama, dunno if you've tried this, but I've found someone who says this works: gconftool -t str -s /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename something.jpeg
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15:07<adama>oh yeah that will just set that value in gconf-editor, whcih I already tried
15:08<epitaph>right
15:08<adama>I'll give it a go anyways
15:08<epitaph>sorry, mate, out of ideas; you could maybe find a gnome forum?
15:08<adama>I have, and asked but no response yet :)
15:08<adama>thanks
15:08<epitaph>np
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15:10<bill_>hola
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15:12<marcel>I upgraded to lenny yesterday and now can't switch from my X console to a virtual terminal like I used to with ctl-alt-F1. Instead of the VT, I get "out of range". Any ideas what components might be responsible?
15:12<marcel>I tried reconfiguring X using Xorg -configure and running nvidia-xconfig on my old config file. Neither helped.
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15:13<Pitxyoki>When you boot your computer, do you see the terminal messages before you get to X?
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15:14<marcel>Yes.
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15:14<Pitxyoki>:|
15:15<Pitxyoki>Then I can't help you more.
15:15<valdyn>marcel: have you tried chvt ?
15:15<marcel>thanks Pitxyoki.
15:15<Pitxyoki>Do you have any vga=XXX parameter on the boot line at /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
15:15<marcel>no, just ctl-alt-F1
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15:16<valdyn>marcel: so try chvt
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15:16<marcel>I can try chvt shortly, but might not be able to get back to my IRC client. (:
15:16<valdyn>marcel: you want to use "screen irssi"
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15:17<marcel>Pitxyoki, I'm guessing the "boot line" is this?
15:17<marcel>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-openvz-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro
15:17<marcel>so no.
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15:17<valdyn>that vga line has nothign to do with this
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15:18<Pitxyoki>I was just checking.
15:18*marcel tries chvt
15:19<valdyn>he gfx was broken on consoles he could still switch to a black screen via ctrl-alt-f1
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15:19<marcel>chvt worked same as ctl-alt-F1: "out of range" on the screen
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15:19<marcel>(and ctl-alt-F7 brought me back)
15:19<valdyn>marcel: it brought you back?
15:20<valdyn>marcel: so ctrl-alt-f1 actually does something?
15:20<marcel>to X
15:20<valdyn>marcel: you said it didnt work at all, so there would be nothing to get back to
15:20<Pitxyoki>I was just thinking that if he had a resolution incompatible with his screen on the terminals, he could revert that at the boot options.
15:20<marcel>yes, it does...
15:20<valdyn>marcel: so it actually works fine
15:20<marcel>but I don't get a login prompt.
15:20<Pitxyoki>But once he sees the terminal while booting, I have no idea what's going on.
15:20<valdyn>marcel: and you just dont get a login prompt
15:20<marcel>Just "out of range" from my monitor.
15:21<valdyn>hehe, Pitxyoki was completely on the right track
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15:21<valdyn>marcel: you can add vga=ask to your kernel options
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15:21<valdyn>marcel: or some 0x value as documented
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15:22<marcel>found this searching about vga=__: http://wiki.antlinux.com/pmwiki.php?n=HowTos.VgaModes
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15:22<marcel>what does "ask" do?
15:22<Pitxyoki>...but he sees the terminal while booting!
15:22<valdyn>marcel: it asks you to specify values
15:23<marcel>oh. At boot?
15:23<valdyn>marcel: for some reason your system seems incapable of reverting to the correct gfx mode
15:23<Pitxyoki><Pitxyoki> When you boot your computer, do you see the terminal messages before you get to X?
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15:23<Pitxyoki><marcel> Yes.
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15:23<marcel>I guess that would be useful for trying some different settings.
15:23<valdyn>Pitxyoki: yea
15:24<marcel>Any guess whether the vga=foo would stick after X starts?
15:24<valdyn>marcel: no way i can know this
15:24<Pitxyoki>No.
15:24<Pitxyoki>vga=stuff only applies to the TTYs.
15:24<valdyn>marcel: its already doing something that should not possibly happen
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15:24<valdyn>marcel: which gfx chip and gfx driver?
15:25<valdyn>marcel: radeon?
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15:25<marcel>nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] / nvidia-glx driver
15:25<valdyn>marcel: my thinkpad has your bug, kind of
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15:25<valdyn>marcel: but the same fix cant be used with nvidia
15:25<scottis>hello
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15:25<marcel>valdyn, o you have a fix for your thinkpad?
15:26<valdyn>marcel: i would try that vga=ask thing and then vesafb
15:26<valdyn>marcel: yes, i need to use radeonfb
15:26<linkslice>where do I find the UUID of the 2 new drives I just put in a server?
15:26<valdyn>marcel: but nvidiafb cant be used with nvidia-glx
15:26<valdyn>marcel: while the radeonfb and the radeon x driver work nicely together
15:27<cahoot>linkslice: try blkid
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15:27<marcel>oh. Maybe I'll try the vga/vesafb stuff after lunch then. Thanks valdyn.
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15:30<k1lumin4t1>is there anyway to recover a Debian GRUB after installing Windows XP using the Debian Installer itself?
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15:33<cahoot>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/325
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15:39<linkslice>i've got etch installed on an md raid and now want to switch it from a stripe into a raid 5, the disk in place, how do I go about this without destroying the data and having to re-install
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15:40<epitaph>linkslice, when you say stripe you mean RAID0?
15:40<linkslice>epitaph, correct
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15:41<epitaph>linkslice. so you have two discs now, and another ready to go?
15:42<linkslice>epitaph, correct
15:43<epitaph>OK. degrade the array by taking one disc out. Then build a second degraded array in RAID5 with the one you pulled out, and the new one. Move the data. mount up the new array and check it all works. Stop the old array, and add the last disc from the old array to the new one
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15:43<epitaph>...and back your data up first ;)
15:44<azeem>eh, if you pull one disk out of a Raid0, will you still be able to "move the data"?
15:45<epitaph>ah flip, no
15:45<epitaph>sorry, brane thought RAID1
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15:45<epitaph>linkslice, OK, azeem is dead right, basically you can't
15:46*epitaph makes a note to read and think clearly in future
15:46<stew>azeem: are you confuxing RAID0 and RAID1 ?
15:46<stew>confusing*
15:46<epitaph>stew, no, I am
15:46<linkslice>well let me explain more clearly
15:46<azeem>stew: well, linkslice was talking about striping
15:47<stew>pulling one disk out of a raid0 means destroying the array
15:47<epitaph>I did ask if he meant RAID0 and then proceeded to give him the wrong answer
15:47<azeem>right
15:47<epitaph>mea culpa
15:47<azeem>stew: it was sort of like a rhetorical question
15:47<stew>azeem: yeah, i see now
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15:48<linkslice>I've got a etch system with several raid partitions, / /usr /var are RAID1, /home is a raid0 and /data is a raid0. I don't care about losing data in /home and /data (as a matter of fact it's already lost due to a dead disk) I've replaced the dead disk and inserted a third and want to switch them all to raid 5
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15:49<epitaph>you can move from RAID1 to RAID5 like I say
15:49<azeem>linkslice: maybe start with the verbose description next time
15:49<linkslice>azeem, yeah will do ;-)
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15:50<epitaph>you can't have / on RAID5 though
15:50<stew>yes you can
15:50<epitaph>really?
15:50<stew>yes
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15:50<epitaph>cool, couldn't last I checked
15:50<azeem>epitaph: maybe you mean /boot?
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15:51<stew>epitaph: its been possible for a long time
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15:51<epitaph>OK, but he didn't mention a separate /boot
15:51<jurg>ls
15:51<jurg>Gah
15:51<azeem>linkslice: if /home is dead anyway, why not just backup /etc and your package list, and reinstall?
15:51<azeem>sounds like less trouble to me
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15:52<epitaph>linkslice, unless you have a lot in /usr/local or something, he's right. Good opportunity to upgrade maybe?
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15:54<adama>ok I am using dual-head with Xinerama and I'm trying to get a screenshot but it will only do the left half
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15:56<adama>the right half is transparent (png)
15:56<balleyne>I'm getting an odd error when opening PDFs in nautilus: the filename $filename.pdf indicates that this file is of type "pdf document." The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "PDF document"... If I change the extension from .pdf to .PDF the error goes away. Happens with all .pdf files. Seems like a settings issue with capital / lower case file types... anyone know how to fix this?
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15:57<linkslice>stat
15:57<linkslice>wrong chan sorry
15:57<piero>ciao
15:57<piero>!lisst
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15:58<nicolas>Hi
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15:59<nicolas>I am not english. Do you know a help chan in frensh please ?
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15:59<nicolas>french*
15:59<adama>!fr
15:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
15:59<nicolas>Thanks !
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16:03<kop>Poo. $'\n' is a bash-ism. How would I assign IFS to space followed by newline in a portable (POSIX?) fashion?
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16:04<epitaph>kop, put it in explicitly: IFS='<space><newline' # where the stuff between <..> means hit that key, not type that as such
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16:05<epitaph>so you get
16:05<epitaph>IFS='
16:05<epitaph>'
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16:05<kop>epitaph : I thought I tried that. But maybe I've goofed.
16:05<kop>epitaph : Thanks.
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16:06<epitaph>kop, it's worked for me, I guess YMMV
16:06<kasia>hey, is any tool similar to chroot for non-root user ?
16:06<simonrvn>innit usually <space><newline><tab> ?
16:06<simonrvn>or space tab newline ... something like that
16:06<epitaph>kasia, nope, but user mode linux may be your friend
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16:07<epitaph>simonrvn, yep, I assume he wants to exclude tab
16:07<simonrvn>ah 'k
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16:23<john_>hello?
16:23<goodtime>hi
16:23<john_>i'm really new to this so if i ask a dumb question please forgive me
16:23<goodtime>me too lol
16:24<goodtime>whats the matta
16:24<john_>i've just installed elive and i want to know if and how to install compiz too
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16:24<goodtime>sure someone in here knows
16:24<goodtime>hang in there
16:25<john_>i really like this elive it looks fantastic, i can't believe i had windows for all this time
16:26<john_>i really don't even know how to add anything to this elive can anyone help?
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16:30<adama>john_: what is elive?
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16:30<adama>doh
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16:39<adama>hey I got my background to change! anyone who was in here earlier when I was whining about it. I just restarted nautilus
16:39<adama>and changing it through the appearance tool works :)
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16:42<enoch>hi
16:42<enoch>i have a stupid question
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16:42<enoch>how can i improve my fonts rendering?
16:43<enoch>i'm trying a lot of things but in iceweasel i see realy bad fonts
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16:43<enoch>and in gnome too
16:43<amphi_>!blame nautilus
16:43*dpkg blames upsy and nautilus for all the evil in the world
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16:44<enoch>what can i do?
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16:48<k1lumin4t1_>hi there
16:49<k1lumin4t1_>how could i restablish all grub2 to grub legacy?
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16:54<asdfaew>hi there
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16:55<asdfaew>is there any cheat code in counter strike?
16:55<simonrvn>wrong network. go away.
16:56<asdfaew>which one is right then?
16:56<simonrvn>*plonk*
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16:56<k1lumin4t1_>hey
16:56<k1lumin4t1_>could anybody possible help me a bit here?
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16:57<k1lumin4t1_>I cant get GRUB to load after installing WinXP
16:57<weasel>reinstall grub.
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16:57<k1lumin4t1_>weasel, I did man
16:57<k1lumin4t1_>weasel, I chrooted into the debian partition
16:58<k1lumin4t1_>weasel, then did a purge to grub-pc and installed grub (legacy)
16:58<k1lumin4t1_>weasel, but It wont make the stages nor the menu.lst
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16:58<weasel>just installing the grub package doesn't install it as your bootloader
16:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 413] by debhelper
16:59<k1lumin4t1_>weasel, so how do I make it the bootloader?
16:59<k1lumin4t1_>weasel, and even so, shouldnt it install the menu.lst file and the stages?
16:59<weasel>no
16:59<weasel>the grub documentation, the internet, or maybe even somebody here might be able to help
16:59<k1lumin4t1_>weasel, thanks
16:59<weasel>I don't have the time for handholding right now, sorry
17:00<patrikf>!tell k1lumin4t1 about fixmbr
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17:01<enoch>please help meeeeeee
17:01<enoch>i need to fix my fonts...
17:01<enoch>is not a dpi problem
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17:01<k1lumin4t1_>patrikf, it-s k1lumin4t1_
17:01<k1lumin4t1_>!tell k1lumin4t1_ about fixmbr
17:01<rr0d>ello
17:01<path>what kind of problem is it enoch
17:01<patrikf>k1lumin4t1_: so sorry. you could also have done /msg dpkg fixmbr
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17:01<azeem>k1lumin4t1_: please /msg the bot
17:02<patrikf>k1lumin4t1_: actually, you should use update-grub before grub-install if you don't have a menu.lst
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17:03<rr0d>apt stops with error code 1 while upgrading from libgnome2-common 2.20.1.1-1 to libgnome2-common_2.20.1.1-2
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17:04<azeem>rr0d: pastebin the whole output
17:04<azeem>!pastebin
17:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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17:05<k1lumin4t1_><dpkg> are you smoking crack?, k1lumin4t1_
17:05<k1lumin4t1_>hahaha
17:05<k1lumin4t1_>hey
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17:05<rr0d>azeem: http://paste.debian.net/29922/
17:06<k1lumin4t1_>how could I possibly obtain a copy of dpkg code to use it in our local lug irc channel?
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17:07<patrikf>k1lumin4t1_: http://www.infobot.org/
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17:07<enoch>path i see my fonts not good
17:07<enoch>expecially in iceweasel
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17:08<path>edit yor .fonts then
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17:08<enoch>i have 1680x1050 96dpi
17:08<enoch>how?
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17:09<enoch>where is my .fonts?
17:09<path>you know google ?
17:09<path>its useful sometimes
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17:09<enoch>i'm googling since two hours
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17:10<path>what desktop environment are you using
17:10<azeem>rr0d: #
17:10<azeem>gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/2/libgconfbackend-xml.so: undefined symbol: g_dgettext
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17:10<azeem>that's the problem
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17:10<azeem>rr0d: which version of Debian are you using?
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17:10<enoch>i'm using gnome
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17:11<enoch>debian lenny
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17:11<rr0d>azeem: squeeze
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17:11<azeem>rr0d: could be it's broken currently
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17:11<rr0d>i did an upgrade from lenny
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17:11<path>enoch, could you upload some screenshot to see your 'not so good fonts' ?
17:12<enoch>yes
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17:14<enoch>http://redteammedia.com/screenshot.png
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17:15<path>I see them perfectly fine :-)
17:15<enoch>:(
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17:16<enoch>on leopard i see this page a lot better
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17:16<path>OH LEOPARD !
17:16<enoch>stop
17:16<path>you see.. this is linux.
17:16<enoch>i love debian
17:16<enoch>but...
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17:17<enoch>for example
17:17<enoch>what can i do with fontconfig-config ?
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17:18<enoch>i tryed a lot of changes
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17:18<enoch>but everytime an something looks bad
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17:24<tapion>hi
17:25<tapion>i need help please
17:25<dr|z3d>!ask
17:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
17:26<tapion>why the command "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" quit after some questions about keyboard and it doesn't let me configure screen/vga/all the rest?
17:26<azeem>tapion: it's auto-configured now i think
17:26<tapion>i'm using debian lenny
17:26<tapion>hm
17:26<azeem>tapion: try dpkg-reconfigure -plowd xserver-xorg
17:26<azeem>eh, -plow*
17:26<azeem>or mabye -pmedium first
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17:27<tapion>it's the same!
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17:28<tapion>and xorg.conf is empty :O
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17:29<tapion>i mean
17:29<tapion>like this
17:29<tapion>Section "Device"
17:29<tapion> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
17:29<tapion>EndSection
17:29<tapion>
17:29<tapion>Section "Monitor"
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17:29<tapion>hm
17:29<tapion>it's ok?
17:29<tapion>i don't think so
17:29*gravity is amazed that people still haven't figured out that xorg.conf being empty has not only been the norm for a while now, but is generally a good thing
17:30<tapion>:S
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17:31<maxb>You still need a minimal Device/Monitor/Screen don't you?
17:31<maxb>Or don't you even need that now?
17:32<gravity>I honestly don't remember that detail. If the dpkg-reconfigure script doesn't create it then you don't need it
17:32<gravity>It's been like a year and a half since I last looked at it
17:33<tapion>my problem now is that when i browse some pages with i get some "vibrations or oscillations" on my desktops :S so i thought the problem was the file xorg.conf
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17:33<tapion>*with firefox
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17:33<nsa_fiend>i'm kinda worried. there is alot of rust on the back of my case where the slots are. the visible part of my sound card is brown and my video card is the same. on the inside of the case there is blue crap where where the rectangles are for the pci card ports to be plugged into
17:33<gravity>That's odd
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17:34<nsa_fiend>...and i think my gpu might be dead
17:34<nsa_fiend>maybe what is happening killed it
17:34<gravity>tapion: What do you mean "vibrations and oscillations"?
17:34<nsa_fiend>:(
17:34<tapion>hmm
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17:34<gravity>It does sound like an X issue, although not really a xorg.conf thing.
17:34<tapion>the panel of programs moves
17:34<nsa_fiend>i'm in a completely dry environment. no moisture of any kind back there
17:35<azeem>tapion: are you running gnome or kde?
17:35<azeem>nsa_fiend: what does this have to do with debian?
17:35<nsa_fiend>have you checked the physical connection?
17:35<tapion>or the firefox page scrolls rapidly
17:35<tapion>i'm using kde
17:35<nsa_fiend>right
17:35<tapion>but i get the same problem with gome
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17:35<pioruns>Hello. I'm looking for program, which save to mp3/ogg file stream from internet radio (audio). You guys know some apps?
17:36<tapion>*gnome
17:36<adama>pioruns: streamripper
17:36<tapion>what could be the problem?
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17:37<gravity>I don't really understand the symptom to be honest
17:37<tapion>sorry my english is bad because i'm italian
17:37<tapion>hmm
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17:37<tapion>what you doesn't understand?
17:37<gravity>That's Ok. I'm sorry I don't speak any Italian
17:37<enouf>degaussing?
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17:38<gravity>tapion: What version of Debian are you running?
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17:38<tapion>5.0
17:38<gravity>It sounds more like an input issue than a graphics one
17:38<enouf>move your cell phone away from the monitor :-p
17:39<tapion>no it's not the problem
17:39<gravity>But it's hard to tell, I don't fully understand what's going on.
17:39<azeem>rr0d: still got the problem?
17:40<tapion>is there a program that capture a video from desktop?
17:40<azeem>rr0d: if so, pastebin the output of "ldd /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/2/libgconfbackend-xml.so"
17:40<tapion>i could record a video
17:40<azeem>tapion: e.g. istanbul
17:40<tapion>k
17:42<shad>will the live-cd for Debian 5.0 install to HDD...should i choose to keep it. thanks
17:42<azeem>shad: I don't think that is officially supported
17:42<shad>arg...:( k
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17:44<azeem>shad: you can use the live-cd to boot the installer though
17:44<azeem>I think
17:45<shad>now that would be ok
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17:46<shad>just did not want to waste time downloading if it would not install to hdd
17:47<azeem>shad: see http://live.debian.net/manual/html/debian-installer.html
17:48<azeem>though I am not sure it actually works on the official 5.0 CDs
17:48<azeem>shad: maybe ask in #debian-live about it
17:48<rr0d>azeem: i still have the problem so here the output http://paste.debian.net/29924
17:48<azeem>rr0d: #
17:48<azeem>libgthread-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 (0xb7f55000)
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17:48<azeem>rr0d: you got a locally installed glib which messes things up
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17:49<shad>cool thanks azeem!
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17:51<tapion>omg
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17:51<tapion>gravity, i'll come back in few minutes
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17:52<rr0d>azeem: i see
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17:52<rr0d>azeem: i installed it a long time ago
17:52<azeem>yeah, but /usr/local/lib trumps /usr/lib
17:53<azeem>no matter how outdated
17:53<rr0d>i will remove it
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17:53<azeem>run ldconfig as root afterwards and inspect ldd output again to make sure all the /usr/local pointers are gone
17:53<rr0d>k
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17:58<jpinx>after using a usb memory as a boot device, do I have to re-make the vfat filesystem to get it back into "normal" use?
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18:00<Pitxyoki>jpinx, when you do fdisk -l , what does the usb memory entry show?
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18:03<jpinx>Pitxyoki: I repartitioned it to vfat - so that's what fdisk shows
18:03<jpinx>Pitxyoki: but it refuses to mount
18:03<adama>I have eth1 and eth0, both go to the Internet through different routers, but only one (eth0) is the default route of course. Is there a way to force one single command (scp) to use eth1 instead of eth0?
18:04<liword>anyone know howto setup pptpd in debian 4?
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18:04<liword>anyone know howto setup pptpd on debian 4?
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18:05<linkslice>trying to initialize a raid 5 with mke2fs /dev/md5, but I'm getting an error: mke2fs: Device size reported to be zero. ... how can I force this? I have rebooted since running fdisk
18:05<adama>liword: google. if you are having a certain problem we need details
18:06<Pitxyoki>jpinx, what does it say when you try to mount it?
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18:07<jpinx>Pitxyoki: it's the usual error of "wrong fs type, or mount point, or bad block, etc ..>"
18:07<Pitxyoki>Well, I don't know.
18:07<Pitxyoki>Try to repartition/reformat it.
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18:09<liword>anyone know howto why i always got "inet addr:192.168.0.1 P-t-P:192.168.1.1" after connected
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18:10<jpinx>Pitxyoki: fixed it thanks - mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
18:10<Pitxyoki>:)
18:11<jpinx>worth remembering next time I dd a bootable system onto a usb stick;)
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18:11<liword>anyone know why localip and remoteip always not work when i setup pptpd on debian 4?
18:11<linkslice>cat /proc/mdstat reveals: md5 : inactive sda11[0] sdb11[2](S) sdc11[3](S)
18:12<liword>is there anyone successed set up pptpd on debian 4?
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18:17<liword>anyone experience in pptpd?
18:17<craigevil>!anyone
18:17<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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18:18<chahibi>wrong dpkg answer, honestly
18:19<Pitxyoki>!ask-to-ask
18:20<dpkg>somebody said ask-to-ask was Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol
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18:21<liword>anyone know howto specify which ip address client will get after connect in pptpd?
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18:22<craigevil>liword: take a look at http://poptop.sourceforge.net/dox/debian-howto.phtml
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18:23<liword>anyone kow why whatever localip and remoteip i setup in pptpd.conf,after connect i always got inet addr:192.168.0.1 P-t-P:192.168.1.1?
18:23<acu>I was wondering if there is Debian GNU/Linux Certified Systems Engineer - or Certified Professional Program
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18:24<liword>i try to google it for about 2 hours,like most problem i meet with debian,there is always no answer.
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18:24<acu>I was thinking that abrotman is Debian GNU/Linux Certified Engineer and dondelcaro Debian GNU/Linux Certified Professional :)
18:24<jlj>does anyone know how to reset onboard intel hd audio from 1 stereo out + 2 line ins to 3xstereo out (5.1) ?
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18:25<liword>anyone kow why whatever localip and remoteip i setup in pptpd.conf,after connect i always got inet addr:192.168.0.1 P-t-P:192.168.1.1?
18:25<delcides>hi - is there any setting for ssh that throttles the speed ?
18:28<liword>!popcon
18:28<dpkg>somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
18:28<goodtime>im not sure but i think the speed depends on the servers bandwith modem your hitting in a sucure shell inviroment there delcides
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18:28<liword>anyone kow why whatever localip and remoteip i setup in pptpd.conf,after connect i always got inet addr:192.168.0.1 P-t-P:192.168.1.1?
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18:30<jlj>nvm, I think I got it
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18:31<delcides>goodtime: I have 2 machines connected directly. rsync from A to B is faster than B to A. *Much* faster.
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18:31<liword>anyoneknow howto setup localip and remoteip in pptpd?
18:32<goodtime>so that is a lan party way which ofcourse is fast
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18:32<goodtime>because its direct
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18:33<goodtime>prob throgh a hub
18:34<goodtime>yeah cant realy top that kinda speed
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18:42<marius>hey guys I am trying to install a guickcam e2500 in lenny - if I do a lsusb I see it there but I cannot start it - I tried to use ekiga any suggestions
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18:42<marius>aha
18:42<Pitxyoki>aha?
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18:43<liword>anyone kow why whatever localip and remoteip i setup in pptpd.conf,after connect i always got inet addr:192.168.0.1 P-t-P:192.168.1.1?
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18:44<liword>anyone know why i got pppd is unable to open the /dev/ppp device.#012You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by#012executing the following command as root:#012#011mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0" in debian 4
18:44<liword>anyone know why i got pppd is unable to open the /dev/ppp device.#012You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by#012executing the following command as root:#012#011mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0" in debian 5
18:45<liword>anyone know howto setup pptpd in debian 5?
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18:45<liword>anyone know why i got "pppd is unable to open the /dev/ppp device.#012You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by#012executing the following command as root:#012#011mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0" when i try to setup pptpd in debian 5
18:46<craigevil>stop repeating the same damn question
18:46<liword>anyone kow why whatever localip and remoteip i setup in pptpd.conf,after connect i always got inet addr:192.168.0.1 P-t-P:192.168.1.1 in debian 4?
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18:46<craigevil>did you even bother to READ http://poptop.sourceforge.net/dox/debian-howto.phtml
18:47<liword>they are complete different problem in debian 4 and debian 5.
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18:47<liword>i already ready it about 3 or 4 hours ago before i try to setup pptpd.
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18:47<craigevil>repeating the question is just going to make people ignore you
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18:52<marius>ai schimbat calitatea
18:52<marius>te sun
18:53<marius>o sorry
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18:53<gsimmons>marius: See http://forums.quickcamteam.net/showthread.php?tid=310 You'll need to use a recent GSPCA driver version or patch an earlier version's sources (alternatively, use a kernel 2.6.29 RC); /msg dpkg gspca
18:54<rr0d>azeem: everthing works fine now :)
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18:54<XDman>When i tried to start Firestarter with Debian-Squeeze its happened: "A proper configuration for Firestarter was not found. ...".
18:54<XDman>I found it on bugs.Debian : This quite possibly the cause of this bug - as soon as the gnome transition gets further along and firestarter can be built in pure unstable, I will be able to test this and upload a fixed version as appropriate.
18:55<XDman>it means that firestarter is not working for this version of Gnome on Debian?
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18:56<XDman>anyoned can help?
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18:56<adb>marius: nu mă suna . ;)
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18:57<adb>XDman: files a bug report ?
18:58<XDman>this is the bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517424
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18:58<liword>anyone know why i got "pppd is unable to open the /dev/ppp device.#012You need to create the /dev/ppp device node by#012executing the following command as root:#012#011mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0" when i try to setup pptpd in debian 5
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18:59<XDman>obs: im using Squeeze
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18:59<adb> obs: no support for it
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19:00<adb>liword: files a bug report ?
19:00<XDman>what do you suggest? download last version of firestarter?
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19:00<XDman>by website?
19:00<adb>i use lenny
19:00<XDman>ohh, ok
19:02<XDman>anyone tha uses squeeze know how to fix it?
19:02<XDman>or use sid?
19:02<XDman>or simply know how to use?
19:03<XDman>(hot to fix)
19:03<XDman>*(how to fix)
19:03<acu>abd: Grigorash te pricepi la Lenny - vreau sa fac o camera quickam sa mearga
19:03<adb>judd: versions firestarter
19:03<judd>adb: firestarter -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3 lenny: 1.0.3-6 sid: 1.0.3-7 squeeze: 1.0.3-7
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19:04<marius>adb sal
19:04<adb>sal
19:04<marius>ce faci
19:04<adb>trece-ți pe #debian-ro
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19:07<XDman>guys, im having problems with gedit too. the two problems appear together.. on gconf it tolds about gconf
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19:10<adb>acu: trece-ți pe #debian-ro ?
19:10<acu>ok abd
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19:12<XDman>Failed to contact the server configuration, some of the possible causes are: the need to enable TCP / IP network or the existence of Orbit lock files left behind on NFS due to an error in any system. For more information see: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/. (Details - 1: Failed to connect to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the
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19:12<XDman>What is this?
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19:13<XDman>http://www.mibbit.com/pb/ivSrzz
19:13<XDman>This pastebin have the gedit error
19:15<marius>are there any backports for lenny ?
19:15<avu>marius, yes
19:15<avu>marius, see backports.org
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19:15<XDman>anyone knows about this bug? http://www.mibbit.com/pb/ivSrzz
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19:17<marius>avu thanks - there is acu nick too - I thought you are taunting him :)
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19:29<Silicium01>Hey guys, I just signed up for a VPS and it appears there is no apt-get command in it, how can I install apt on debian 4.0?
19:29<down>hello, i want downgrade of squeeze to lenny. how to do that?
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19:30<stew>Silicium01: are you sure it is debian?
19:30<Silicium01>stew, yes, I selected Debian 4.0
19:30<Silicium01>how do I check?
19:31<stew>Silicium01: apt is a required package. no debian install should ever be without it. if it is really debian and doesn't have apt, tell your hosting company that your install is broken
19:31<stew>Silicium01: what does "dpkg -l libc6" report?
19:31<stew>Silicium01: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" report?
19:31<Silicium01>dpkg command not found
19:31<dpkg>Have you tried running the command as root? If it still is not found, try apt-get install <commandname>. Solves some problems. see 'hdii'
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19:33<Silicium01>stew, oh crap, controll panel shows centos
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19:33<amphi>heh
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19:35<stew>Silicium01: also note that 4.0 is now "oldstable" and 5.0 was release as 'stable'. Unless you have very good reason, you should be using 5.0 aka lenny for a new install
19:35<Silicium01>stew they did not have 5.0 in vps list
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19:37<Silicium01>yey, they have a 5.0, found it in rebuild section
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19:43<tapion>hi
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19:43<tapion>gravity, you there?
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19:44<tapion>is there anyone who could help me to solve a problem of X on debian?
19:45<acu>tapion: just ask your question
19:45<acu>state your problem
19:45<Jpdota>I'm trying to run virtualbox-ose on my squeeze install, but i keep getting an error about the virtualbox kernel modules i have installed. my packages are up to date, and i've looked into the bug reports but i was unable to see a solution, does anyone know how to resolve this issue?
19:46<gsimmons>Jpdota: What is the error?
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19:46<Jpdota>gsimmons: http://pastebin.com/m51277ee5
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19:47<Jpdota>gsimmons: the two suggestions given do not work
19:48<tapion>when i browse some web pages with firefox or konqueror, i see some problems on the screen, it's difficult to explain what is it, i see a flashing line on the screen and the menu bar of kde moving/flashing too
19:48<tapion>what could be the problem? :S
19:48<Jpdota>gsimmons: one of them made the machine unbootable, forcing my to chroot in from another install and update (which puts me on the non-working, but bootable version)
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19:50<tapion>it happens both with kde and with gnome
19:50<tapion>and just sometimes
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19:50<acu>tapion are there specific web pages you could repeat the problem ? (you can tell us as long as they are not XXX :) --- but you should be able to see whether is the web browser (some plugins) or the X or something else - maybe the resolution or refresh rate of your screen
19:52<tapion>my resolution is 1280x1024 and refresh rate is 60 hz
19:52<tapion>and a page that cause the problem is for example:
19:53<tapion>http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/chiuso-lo-short-a-14-263-di-indice-spmib-vt39118-21.html
19:53<tapion>when i go on the chart
19:53<tapion>at post #208
19:53<tapion>:S
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19:54<tapion>there is nothing of strange on that page
19:55<tapion>that page cause the problem both with firefox and with konqueror
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19:55<tapion>but there are also a lot of more pages that cause the problem... i don't remember all of them
19:56<tapion>any ideas, acu?
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19:57<acu>not yet
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19:58<acu>tapion: I tried your websites - works fine with me - I run lenny
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19:58<tapion>could be a problem of vga?
19:58<acu>it maybe that some of your plugins are not right - specially if you can reproduce the errors
19:59<Guest942>hi some one work whit moodle i can not
19:59<tapion>not all the times that i open that page it happens!
19:59<Guest942>hola no puedo ingresar a moodle
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20:00<Jpdota>!es
20:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:01<tapion>hardware problem or software problem?
20:01<Guest942>ok
20:01<acu>tapion: sometimes your vga connector is not properly fit - or vga card not siting properly in the slot - or the fan doesnot cool your vga card - they are preety simple to check
20:02<tapion>my vga is integrated
20:02<oxmoz>Hi, I have a little question, I am reading the developers-reference documentation, the packages here: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested are packet that NEED a maintainer, or packages that been requested by an user so he will BECOME maintainer for it? I think the first assertion is right, but on the documenration I read "when you want to become maintainer, send a bug request with package name and description" and this is what it
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20:02<tapion>in motherboard
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20:02<tapion>VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10)
20:03<acu>I do not think is hardware - since it does not behave when using other programs (OpenOffice or GIMP or whatever else you use) - is that so ?
20:03<tapion>yes
20:04<Jpdota>oxmoz: you would be better off asking in #debian-mentors or #debian-devel, but i believe those are packages that need someone to package and maintain it
20:04<oxmoz>thanks
20:04<acu>i would reinstall the plugins tapion - acrobad flash player etc
20:05<tapion>i reinstalled everything yesterday
20:05<tapion>stable
20:05<tapion>then i see the problem
20:05<tapion>i upgraded to sid
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20:05<tapion>and the problem is the same
20:05<tapion>:S
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20:07<acu>there are usually two avenues of trial - one - change the resolution (make it lesser) and see if the behavior is the same - or try to see if the manufacturer has vga driver for your card
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20:08<acu>but I have a feeling that your plugins are not right - and I am not good with them - just lucky that I do not need to play with them often
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20:09<tapion>how can i see my current driver? my xorg.conf is empty at that section
20:09<tom760>Can anyone give advice on how to go about taking a kernel patch file (updates numerous source files) for 2.6.24 and updating it to work with the current 2.6.26 debian kernel?
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20:09<acu>and since the new x11 came in I am bad with changing settings for it - I knew to configure xorg.conf - but now the configuration is split in more files - and I am behind
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20:10<acu>there is RANDR or something like this which allows you to play with settings - but I do not know details
20:11<acu>! randr
20:11<dpkg>from memory, 3r is Rotate and Resize (and Reflect) extensions for XFree86, that allow the xserver to inform the x-clients of desktop size (etc) changes, so they can update themselves. http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/randr/
20:11<Jpdota>acu: you mean xrandr?
20:11<Jpdota>!xrandr
20:11<dpkg>methinks xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection;
20:12<acu>tapion: here you are Jpdota might get you closer :)
20:12<Jpdota>acu: don't get his hopes up :P i've got no clue, i've just run xrandr
20:12<tapion>:S :S
20:13<Jpdota>i mean tapion does the problem occur in other browsers?
20:13<tapion>hmmm
20:13<tapion>let me try
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20:15<tom760>Do X and gnome allow you to expand your desktop size at runtime by extending to a 2nd networked X server?
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20:17<tapion>bah epiphany doesn't work
20:17<tapion>anyway it happens with firefox/konqueror
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20:19<tapion>hm
20:19<tapion>i'll try to reinstall everything again...
20:20<goodger>good luck with that
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20:21<acu>tapion
20:21<tapion>acu
20:21<acu>I think you should look at your plugins
20:21<tapion>which plugins?
20:21<Jpdota>tapion: i'd say flash would be a good one to start with
20:21<acu>go in synaptic package manager and install flash plugins etc
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20:22<acu>if you get no other missbehavior using other programs it is very likely that is not your X11
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20:22<Jpdota>acu: he has problems in konquerer too, but not epiphany
20:22<tapion>flashplayer-mozilla is installed
20:22<acu>tapion: of course - if you are OK and have nothing secret I could look at your computer right now
20:22<Jpdota>acu: so imo you're probably right
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20:23<acu>there is a program x11vnc
20:23<acu>it will allow me to see and take your computer over (x11)
20:23<tapion>you cant because i have a router/nat
20:23<acu>is it your router
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20:24<tapion>yes
20:24<acu>you can redirect port 5900 towards your internal IP address of your workstation
20:24<tapion>ah maybe
20:24<tapion>but i never did it
20:25<tapion>hmm
20:25<acu>well, there is always a first - first kiss, first love first birth first death :)
20:25<tapion>:O
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20:25<amphi_>acu: heh
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20:25<john_>hello?
20:26<john_>anyone there?
20:26<acu>tapion: but is OK - anyhow it is cool to know
20:26<acu>john_ yes there are 6.4 billion people out here
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20:26<acu>just state your problem
20:27<john_>i'm really new to this but i've just installed this but i dont know how to "use" it
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20:27<john_>elive compiz that is
20:27<tapion>no acu i try to reinstall again before
20:28<acu>john_ you have to have a purpose - do you want to browse porn websites or see 3D structure of proteins or do bioninformatics or build a server or do image processing
20:28<tapion>really there is also another problem... also nspluginviewer crashes sometimes
20:28<acu>tapion: great - good luck
20:28<tapion>there are many things that doesn't work
20:28<john_>sorry, i should have been more specific. i just want to explore the settings
20:28<acu>tapion: what CPU do you have - what version of debian are you installing
20:28<acu>how do you do it
20:28<tapion>5.0
20:28<john_>basically play with the functions, use the 3d cube thing etc
20:29<tapion>cpu is intel core2 duo 7300
20:29<acu>john_ my man - just say I use debian lenny KDE and I want to see the setings
20:29<acu>tapion: what lenny are you installing
20:29<amphi>john_: you want to [install and] run ccsm (compizconfig settings manager)
20:29<amphi>acu: I think he wants to tweak compiz
20:30<tapion>lenny
20:30<tapion>stable
20:30<tapion>:S
20:30<john_>i have a gateway athalon 64 dual core 2.5 gig of ram and am running this with , dare i say it, windows also as a back up until i'm comfortable enough to uninstall windows
20:30<tapion>netinstall
20:30<acu>john_ if you use KDE is very easy - first go to KMENU ---- CONTROL CENTER - it has almost everything there
20:30<acu>john_ you might want to install kde-guidance to have the hard disks seen there thoo
20:30<tapion>acu, do you know why does nspluginviewer crash?
20:31<acu>tapion: do you use amd64 or i386
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20:31<acu>also, there are sometimes settings in BIOS which are set for Microsoft - but that is specific for everuyting
20:31<john_>i'm sorry to be so stupid but im so windowized that i dont even know how to "run kde" etc
20:31<tapion>i386
20:31<acu>tapion: use AMD64
20:32<amphi>john_: do you currently have a 'desktop' with panels and menus and so on?
20:32<tapion>why? my cpu is intel
20:32<acu>tapion: intel 2 core duo ?
20:32<tapion>yes
20:32<john_>well yes, i guess, i have the desktop and the menu thing at the bottom where i got to this chat
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20:33<acu>tapion: AMD came first with a 64 bit CPU so they set the standard - Intel copied it - so AMD64 kernel is for bot AMD 64 and Intel 64 bit cpu
20:33<tapion>ah
20:34<tapion>do you think that could solve some problems?
20:34<acu>tapion: with one exception Itanium 64 _ which was a failure Intel tried to impose their standard but failed - so Debian I64 is only good for Itanium - if you have a Intel 2 core duo is 64 bit and the AMD64 debian will work for that
20:34<john_>oook that means ????? I'm sorry if im such an amatuer it's annoying but i love this thing and want to use it
20:35<acu>tapion: it may - and why you wouldnot use a 64 bit Operating System
20:35<tapion>ok
20:35<amphi>john_: somewhere in that menu should be some settings thing - is it kontrol center in kde? dunno, look around
20:35<amphi>john_: ccsm is compiz's own configuration tool - it's moderately complex
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20:36<acu>john_ that blue icon with a K is Kmenu - press on that and see one of the choices CONTROL CENTER
20:36<john_>if i click anywhere on the screen i get a menu with applications run command windows etc, is that where it should be?
20:36<acu>to install and uninstall programs there is a nice graphic interface call Synaptic Package Manager
20:37<goodger>does anyone on squeeze find that gnome-terminal stops being able to find its settings when used in gksudo?
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20:38<acu>OK guys - if you have more simple questions ask now - I have to leave - otherwise you are in the hands of true gurus lurking here :)
20:39<acu>john_ or tapion
20:39<john_>i can get to the control panel, i think but it asks for a "root password" and when i put in the password i started with it says it's invalid so i can't access anything? is there a way to reset this password?
20:39<tapion>i'm checking firefox extensions
20:40<tapion>but anyway i'm going to reinstall
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20:40<john_>i don't see a blue K anywhere on the screen. This is the elive thing?
20:40<acu>tapion: anyhow I will suggest to use amd64 version
20:40<tapion>yes yes
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20:40<tapion>thanks for your help
20:41<acu>john_ you need your root password
20:41<acu>tapion: welcome :)
20:41<adb>john_: use elive?
20:41<acu>is too easy if you know it
20:41<acu>imposible if you dont
20:41<acu>:)
20:41<acu>That's debian slogan for beginners :)
20:43<adb>john_: use a rescue/live-cd to reset root passwd in /etc/shadow
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20:44<john_>ok i'll try and reinstall it or something, thanks for your help, you may be hearing from me again lol. again thanks
20:44<adb>use google for a doc
20:44<acu>john: you need to write down your root password - if not make it the same as your user - you can change it later
20:45<john_>ok thanks all
20:45<acu>john_ be strong :)
20:45<acu>debian is not for those with weak hearts :)
20:46<acu>See you all around bye all
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20:46<acu>wait
20:46<adb>gn acu
20:47<acu>I have two questions too - I used to know the answers for them ---- I want to make a computer boot to KDE automatically with no password at all - look for IP and start x11vnc - how can I do that?
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20:52<adb>acu: diskless boot tftp + nfs image ?
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20:53<acu>abd: no, a workstation with hard disk and everything normal
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20:53<enouf>themill: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/msg/3eb1bd97425c1aea?dmode=source (concerning /etc/apt/preferences) - 2005 bug, still not fixed
20:53<adb>acu: so why x11vnc ?
20:54<acu>abd: because I want to take over the computer and have a gui
20:54<adb>for a exported KDE
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20:54<acu>krfb sucks - and it does not work in dual core cpus -
20:55<acu>x11vnc is preety sleak
20:55<adb>i see
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20:56<acu>to run some scripts at boot I understand that I have to add it somewhere at init.d but I have to look how exactly I can do it -
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21:02<dyess002>hello
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21:05<FloridaGuy>i cant find firefox in the repo
21:05<amphi>iceweasel
21:05<adb>try iceweasel , heh
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21:07<FloridaGuy>adb, that gnome's version of firefox
21:07<abrotman>no it's not
21:07<abrotman>use iceweasel
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21:07<amphi>!why iceweasel
21:07<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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21:08<Caldavien>hello every one, Im having some trouble installing my nvidia gforce2 mx400 vid card on a fresh install of lenny, Im very new to linux (only using it for a few months)and brand new to debian.
21:08<FloridaGuy>iceweassel looks almost like firefox
21:08<Caldavien>Ive tried several walkthoughs and pulling it direct from repositories
21:09<amphi>FloridaGuy: it's just a coincidence
21:09<Caldavien>Im kind of at a loss for ideas and im wondering if some knows of an absolute noob guide to this or has any suggestions
21:09<FloridaGuy>does debian have newer version of gnome like 2.24
21:09<acu>Caldavien
21:10<acu>you can go to Nvidia.com
21:10<acu>they have ready made drivers for it
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21:10<abrotman>FloridaGuy: no
21:10<acu>you have to download it and get out of X install them then come back
21:10<Caldavien>its a firly ld card, i didnt see it on the list, Ill check again
21:10<FloridaGuy>i installed nvidia..then booted ubuntu live cd and copyed and pasted xorg.conf
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21:11<abrotman>Caldavien: if i had to guess, i'd say that's a legacy card
21:12<acu>caldavien: listen to abrotman, he knows everything :)
21:12<FloridaGuy>gforce2..that is legecy
21:12<acu>see you guys :)
21:12<adb>noapte nună acu
21:13<adb>bună*
21:13<acu>noapte bune, bonne nuit, good night to all - Purity, Peace and Power - Debian !
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21:16<apatheticsheep>hi all
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21:20<apatheticsheep>i have a problem. I used dd to create an image of my linux installation like so (dd if=/dev/sda conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > /mnt/smb/img.gz) I then tried to restore said image to another disk on another system with: (gunzip -c img.gz | dd of=/dev/sda conv=sync,noerror bs=64K)
21:20<apatheticsheep>I now get grub error 17 when I try to boot the target disk. any sugestions?
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21:22<enouf>!grub errors
21:22<dpkg>hmm... grub.errors is grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means
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21:22<enouf>reinstall grub
21:22<goodger>grub cannot determine the filesystem present on the drive
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21:23<apatheticsheep>I also cannot mount the partition in knopppix .... bad super-block. did i miss something in the restore?
21:23<apatheticsheep>if it can;t determine the fs how do i get it to?
21:23<adb>use knopppix ?
21:24<apatheticsheep>for live cd since system won't boot
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21:25<FloridaGuy>? sence ubuntu is debian based and you can use debian packages on ubuntu...would it be possible to use ubuntu's gnome 2.24 on debian
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21:25<abrotman>no
21:25<stew>FloridaGuy: we would certainly not recommend that.
21:26<adb>apatheticsheep: /dev/sda has no partitions ?
21:26<FloridaGuy>ok was just woundering
21:26<apatheticsheep>adb I created same size partition in cfdisk and marked bootable and ext before writing the dd img to the target disk
21:27<apatheticsheep>maybe my image is goofed up?
21:27<adb>so i'll use if=/dev/sda1
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21:28<apatheticsheep>huh?
21:28<adb>sda1*
21:28<apatheticsheep>i guess I am stuck building new system and copying data from old.
21:29<apatheticsheep>cfdisk shows a "linux" partition on the disk but I cannot mount it
21:30<apatheticsheep>anything else anyone might suggest?
21:30<apatheticsheep>the disks are slightly different ... would that cause my grief?
21:31<apatheticsheep>exit
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21:34<pako>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
21:34<pako>hello
21:35<pako>what happen ?
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21:36<TheKing>question
21:36<TheKing>how can you let 2 people on the same account attach to the same screen session
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21:48<coded_>why the apt-get not works??
21:48<coded_>he cant find any package
21:48<coded_>Couldn't find package gcc
21:49<coded_>someone?
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21:49<abrotman>coded_: we need the actual error, and your sources.list
21:49<abrotman>!paste
21:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:56<QPrime>well wife is calling... must... obey... now... :) bbl thanks for the chat, best I've had since I started channel lurking a few days ago.
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21:58<QPrime>errr... well, wrong channel... but same applies here in debian... just without the 'chat' part ;)
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21:59<k1lumin4t1>has anybody gotten a nvidia riva tnt/tnt2 pro working under debian?
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22:00<abrotman>use the nv driver ?
22:00<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, using the nvidia legacy one
22:00<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, using the nv driver it's a hit. works out of the box on a common debian installation
22:01<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, but I would like to see if it's possible to set glx
22:01<abrotman>i doubt even the nvidia legacy supports those .. aren't the tnt cards from like 1997 ?
22:01<k1lumin4t1>abrotman, hmm kind of
22:02<goodger>abrotman: the PC I got for passing the grammar school entrance exam had a TNT2 in it, and that was in early 2001
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22:04<TheKing>whats the default path to openssl in debian?
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22:05<abrotman>goodger: tnt1 was from 97ish IIRC
22:05<goodger>very good
22:05<goodger>I can't say I remember that particular year
22:06<abrotman>goodger: if it makes you feel young .. i was in college then :)
22:06<kapil>win 2
22:06<goodger>no, not particularly
22:06<goodger>knowing my use of the internet postdates the ubiquity of V.90 makes me feel young
22:07<abrotman>that's the best you've got?
22:07<goodger>hm
22:07<kapil>TheKing: /usr/bin/openssl?
22:07<coded_>apt-get doesnt work
22:07<TheKing>OH TY
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22:08<goodger>the first computer I ever used had a P75
22:08<abrotman>coded_: i asked you for a paste .. did you do it ?
22:08<goodger>how's that?
22:08<abrotman>goodger: HAHA ..
22:08<coded_>Couldn't find package gcc
22:08<abrotman>i have an older PC here .. and it was mine
22:08<goodger>hrrm
22:08<goodger>my parents paid eleven hundred quid for that sodding computer
22:08<coded_>apt-get cant find any package
22:08<abrotman>coded_: we need the actual error, and your sources.list
22:08<abrotman>!paste
22:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:08<goodger>they paid even more to have windows 95 loaded on it ^_^
22:09<coded_>sources.list doesnt exist
22:09<abrotman>coded_: /etc/apt/sources.list ?
22:09<coded_>no exist
22:09<coded_>this file
22:09<abrotman>not debian?
22:09<abrotman>coded_: what does uname -a return ?
22:09<coded_>is a debian
22:09<abrotman>sorry .. `uname -a`
22:09<abrotman>i want to see it
22:09<coded_>Linux mundigames 2.6.18-028stab060.2-ent #1 SMP Tue Jan 13 10:49:02 MSK 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
22:09<abrotman>that's not a debian kernel
22:10<coded_>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
22:10<abrotman>is this a vserver ?
22:10<coded_>/etc/issue
22:10<coded_>vps
22:10<abrotman>then you ahve a sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ .. which is it?
22:10<coded_>i have /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
22:11<coded_>but no file in this directory
22:11<abrotman>coded_: time to read `man 5 sources.list` ..
22:11<coded_>i think i need this sources.list, where i can download it
22:11<abrotman>you could ask your hosting company
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22:36<Silicium01>How do i determine what is the ip of my dns server?
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22:40<RIVE>Silicium01, dig
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22:40<nsa_fiend>hey. ext2 or ext3?
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22:41<Tekno>ext3
22:41<nsa_fiend>why?
22:42<nsa_fiend>did ext3 come after ext2?
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22:42<abrotman>odd how the increment those numbers
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22:42<Silicium01>something as ridiculous as this: ping 8.15.7.107wefwefwef
22:43<nsa_fiend>yeah. i see that all the time and i'm like, 'what'd they do that for'?
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22:43<Silicium01>is showing me an ip address of one of my websites...
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22:43<FloridaGuy>how do i trun on the 3D desktop..start xgl..for compiz
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22:44<amphi_>why do you think you need xgl?
22:45<FloridaGuy>amphi_, i want what ever fires up the 3D
22:46*abrotman cuts off amphi_'s tail with a spork
22:46<FloridaGuy>or compiz...so i can start avant and awn
22:46<abrotman>compiz and xgl aren't the same thing
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22:48<Txt-file1>what package do I need for i386 libs under amd64?
22:48-!-amphi_ is now known as amphi
22:48<abrotman>amphi: took a while to saw through that .. darn spork
22:48<amphi>abrotman: thanks ;)
22:49<amphi>heh
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22:52<Silicium01>I am going to go crazy
22:52<abrotman>do it over there!
22:52<Silicium01>http://paste.debian.net/29932/
22:52<Silicium01>how is this possible
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22:52<immatRrecord>Bonjour tout le monde !
22:53<abrotman>Silicium01: because it's a real name
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22:53<immatRrecord>yep abrotman
22:53<abrotman>$ host asfefsarfsaerfaer.levank.com
22:53<abrotman>asfefsarfsaerfaer.levank.com is an alias for levank.com.
22:53<abrotman>levank.com has address 67.223.233.163
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22:53<Silicium01>abrotman, yes
22:53<Silicium01>it's my site, but why does every invalid address point to it?
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22:54<abrotman>oh .. google does wildcard names i'd guess
22:54<immatRrecord>nobody said why my fan turn always ...
22:55<Silicium01>abrotman, what is the real name?
22:56<abrotman>real name of what ?
22:56<Silicium01>abrotman, it pings anything like afarfaerfasergfsrdef
22:56<abrotman>and what?
22:56<abrotman>google is doing wild card dns
22:56<Silicium01>google?
22:56<Silicium01>what does google have to do with it?
22:56<abrotman>levank.com mail is handled by 0 ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com.
22:57<abrotman>nope .. nevermind
22:57<Silicium01>but...
22:57<Silicium01>I'm very confused
22:57<abrotman>maybe ..
22:57<immatRrecord>what is your prob Silicium01 ?
22:58<abrotman>Silicium01: ask your host provider/dns provider if they're doing wild card dns
22:58<Silicium01>immatRrecord, no matter what I ping even ridiculous stuff like "asdefeawfaewfaerf" it resolves to my vps IP
22:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 381] by debhelper
22:59<abrotman>!fr
22:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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22:59<immatRrecord>oh thanks abrotman !
23:00<immatRrecord>but they are nobody on #debian-fr :(
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23:02<abrotman>there are people there .. be patient
23:02<immatRrecord>i waiting ...
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23:03<Silicium01>now it's showing a different ip, I changed my /etc/hostname to simply debian
23:03<Silicium01>ping asdasdas
23:03<Silicium01>PING asdasdas (8.15.7.107) 56(84) bytes of data.
23:03<Silicium01>64 bytes from 8.15.7.107: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=75.9 ms
23:03<Silicium01>ridiculous... is this evena real ip?
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23:07<Silicium01>hmm after googleing the ip, turns out my isp is a total piece of crap
23:07<Silicium01>how do i set my dns server to be opendns
23:07<immatRrecord>and your host ?
23:07<immatRrecord>empty is ?
23:08<Silicium01>now I set it to "debian"
23:09<immatRrecord>and which DNS in your interface ?
23:09<Silicium01>what is the best dns I can use? not my ISP...
23:09<Silicium01>immatRrecord, no idea, how do I check?
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23:11<jimmy>:s
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23:12<jimmy>Sorry Silicium
23:12<jimmy>lost my connection
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23:15<Silicium01>jimmy, np
23:15<Silicium01>turns out it's my ISP the evil Rogers doing crap
23:15<Silicium01>I just need adecent public dns
23:15<jimmy>try nslookup hhfhhfhf
23:16<Silicium01>jimmy, http://paste.debian.net/29933/
23:17<Silicium01>jimmy, I googled for 8.15.7.107 and turns out it's my ISP's bullshlt
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23:17<jimmy>it's on your localhost ?
23:18<Silicium01>jimmy, what is on my localhost?
23:18<jimmy>nslookup
23:19<Silicium01>Server: 64.71.255.198
23:19<Silicium01>Address: 64.71.255.198#53
23:19<Silicium01>** server can't find localhost: NXDOMAIN
23:19<Silicium01>that was nslookup localhost
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23:19<Silicium01>yes, I ran nslookup on my localhost
23:20<jimmy>Sorry Silicium01 i ask many questions because i'm french and i speak in bad english :s
23:20<Silicium01>jimmy, no problem
23:20<Silicium01>thank you for help
23:20<jimmy>np
23:20<Silicium01>merci :)
23:20<jimmy>^^
23:21<jimmy>De rien :)
23:21<Silicium01>jimmy, how do I change the dns that my computer uses?
23:21<Silicium01>want to change it to openDNS
23:21<jimmy>in /etc/network/interface
23:21<jimmy>and restart it with /etc/init.d/network restart
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23:23<Silicium01>what do i put in /etc/network/interfaces ?
23:24<jimmy>in your shell
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23:24<jimmy>with edit, nano /etc/network/interface
23:24<jimmy>or gedit
23:24<k1lumin4t1>hey
23:25<k1lumin4t1>I messed up with my X server a bit
23:25<Silicium01>jimmy, what do I write there?
23:25<k1lumin4t1>I had it working fine using the nv driver for a Nvidia Riva TNT/TNT2 pro card
23:25<jimmy>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.fr.html
23:25<k1lumin4t1>but then I tried using the nvidia legacy driver from nvidia.com through its bin installer
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23:26<jimmy>Silicium01, chapter 10.6.1
23:26<k1lumin4t1>thing is that I want to go back to NV driver but it won't start now
23:27<jimmy>k1lumin4t1, try envy
23:27<k1lumin4t1>jimmy, what's that?
23:27<acu>hey guys I need some guidance - I want to run /sbin/ifconfig when the computer starts (I know how to do that in gnome) but I want to have this displayed so I can see the IP address
23:27<jimmy>wait
23:28<jimmy>k1lumin4t1, http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
23:28<Silicium01>jimmy, what would be the line or content of /etc/network/interfaces ? I mean when I open that file, what do I put inside?
23:29<jimmy>are you read the chapter ?!
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23:29<jimmy> iface eth0 inet static
23:29<jimmy> address 192.168.0.123
23:29<jimmy> netmask 255.255.255.0
23:29<jimmy> gateway 192.168.0.1
23:29<jimmy> dns-search nicedomain.org
23:29-!-jimmy was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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23:31<jimmy>Silicium01, for example http://paste.debian.net/29934/
23:32<Silicium01>jimmy, I use wireless
23:32<jimmy>what's name 's interface ?
23:32<jimmy>wlan0 ?
23:33<jimmy>replace 'eth0' by 'wlan0'
23:33<Silicium01>http://paste.debian.net/29935/
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23:34<jimmy>they are an eth port on computer ?
23:34<jimmy>Silicium01, paste your 'ifconfig'
23:35<Silicium01>http://paste.debian.net/29938/
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23:36<jimmy>are you on a virtual OS ?
23:37<Silicium01>no, but I have also vmware installed
23:37<jimmy>ok ok
23:37<jimmy>wait i paste your config for /etc/network/interfaces
23:37<Silicium01>ok
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23:39<jimmy>what's your DNS ?
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23:40<Silicium01>jimmy, i want to use opendns: 208.67.222.222
23:40<Silicium01>208.67.220.220
23:40<jimmy>ok and your gateway, on 1 or 254 ?
23:41<Silicium01>I dont know
23:41<Silicium01>how do I check?
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23:41<jimmy>ifconfig wlan0
23:42<Silicium01>jimmy, http://paste.debian.net/29939/
23:44<jimmy>hum ... ping 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.254
23:44<jimmy>and say me that respond
23:44<Silicium01>192.168.1.1 works
23:45<jimmy>ok thx
23:46<jimmy>http://paste.debian.net/29940/
23:46<jimmy>put this in your /etc/network/interfaces at the end
23:47<jimmy>and run /etc/init.d/network restart for restart your interface
23:49<Silicium01>it still does not use opends
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23:50<jimmy>paste your ifconfig
23:51<Silicium01>Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists
23:51<Silicium01>Failed to bring up wlan0.
23:51<jimmy>run ifconfig wlan0 down an ifconfig wlan0 up
23:51<Silicium01>http://paste.debian.net/29941/
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23:54<acu>any guru here ? I have an debian linux computer which gets a dynamic IP (so anytime is restarted gets a new IP) is there any tool where detects the IP and forward it to some web or mail ?
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23:56<jimmy>acu, your host ip or your atm ip ?
23:57<acu>what is atm (I think is my host IP - my own computer)
23:57<jimmy>atm is your public IP
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23:57<acu>in that case they are the same
23:57<jimmy>it's not possible
23:58<acu>what do you mean ?
23:58<jimmy>your public IP is attribute by provider's and your host ip is on local host
23:58<acu>is not a internal lan (like 192.168.0 whatever) it is a real IP address so that would be it - host IP
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