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---Logopened Tue Mar 10 00:00:21 2009
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00:00<Silicium01>When i first installed Debian, it asked me to enter hostname and domain name. How can I reconfigure those two values? and where is this data stored?
00:00<enouf>!hostname
00:00<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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00:01<Silicium01>enouf, what about domain name?
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00:04<enouf>it's part of the hostname Silicium01
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00:04<enouf>Silicium01: read read read - try; ~$ apropos domainname
00:06<enouf>install hostname and manpages-dev
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00:16<rtlkjj>is there a bittorrent client that i can use that will show allow me to proxify all connections?
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00:21<k1lumin4t1>Can't play an encrypted DVD under Debian GNU/Linux using Kaffeine/VLC
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00:25<enouf>libdvdcss*
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00:26<k1lumin4t1>enouf, I installed that lib
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00:28<k1lumin4t1>enouf, this is Kaffeine's message with te lib installed: Cant's read from source Encrypted or faulty DVD
00:28<enouf>encrypted how? CSS? is it ARcoOS ?
00:28<k1lumin4t1>enouf, hmm dunno
00:28<k1lumin4t1>enouf, how could I find it out?
00:29<enouf>does it play elsewhere?
00:29<enouf>is it a Movie?
00:29<k1lumin4t1>enouf, it does play in my DVD player
00:29<k1lumin4t1>enouf, a documentary
00:29<k1lumin4t1>enouf, mixed media DVD
00:30<enouf>you mean your Standalone STB (set top box) DVD Player?
00:30<k1lumin4t1>yes, a DVD player for TVs
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00:31<Silicium01>Which is most popular utility to benchmark CPU in VPS host?
00:31<enouf>wel[, i guess then ..er dunno ;-) Mixed Media DVD sounds like it could be an issue - the way content copy protection mechanisms are, who knows what tricks they;re using
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00:31<Silicium01>I want to compare 2 vhosts
00:32<enouf>go grab a torrent or some avi or something
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00:58<Silicium01>Is it possible to rent high bandwidth Interner so that I can run my own server instead of playing with VPS?
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01:00<dondelelcaro>Silicium01: you can get dedicated machines, or you can purchase things like linode or slicehost machines
01:00<Silicium01>dondelelcaro, I was just thinking, why pay others, I have my own hardware
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01:00<Silicium01>the only problem is high speed internet
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01:02<dlt_>hello all
01:02<Warp4>Silicium01, it sounds like what you need is colocation
01:02<meshuggah>hi dlt
01:02<dlt_>Can someone help me installing debian in to a acer aspire one? I'm having problems with the network auto configuration.. Can't get the dhcp working..
01:03<meshuggah>no
01:03<Silicium01>Warp4, what do you mean?
01:03<Silicium01>Warp4, nvm, just googled
01:03<Warp4>Silicium01, i used to work for a company that specialized in that
01:03<meshuggah>i am evening to sure what idhcp
01:04<meshuggah>what is dhcp
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01:04<Silicium01>Warp4, is it worth financially?
01:04<Warp4>Silicium01, that is for you to decide
01:04<dlt_>meshuggah, dhcp protocol
01:04<sonictwin>does debian have multiverse/universe repos like ubuntu?
01:04<Warp4>meshuggah, google it.
01:04<meshuggah>yes probably a protocol, but i dnot know this one
01:04<meshuggah>i suck
01:04<Warp4>meshuggah, dynamic host configuration protocol
01:04<meshuggah>what is google?
01:05<meshuggah>lol
01:05<meshuggah>Warp4, thank
01:05<Warp4>meshuggah, if you're that stupid, go back to Windozzzze :)
01:05<Warp4>LOL
01:05<Warp4>just kidding
01:05<meshuggah>lol
01:05<Silicium01>Warp4, google tells me collocation is more expensive
01:05<meshuggah>i am trying to learn :)
01:05<Warp4>i couldnt resist
01:05<Warp4>i know, meshuggah
01:05<meshuggah>1 month 1 week
01:05<meshuggah>of linux
01:05<meshuggah>1 month without dual booting
01:05<Warp4>Silicium01, look around, dont believe EVERYTHING google says
01:05<meshuggah>winshit bugged a last time before i fired his ass
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01:06<meshuggah>ubuntu was easier, but debian is still ok but faster
01:06<Warp4>meshuggah, ubuntu has more driver support IMHO
01:07<meshuggah>people are friendlier here than in ubuntu, but ubuntu has 1K more people in his chat room
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01:07<Warp4>but, i bit the bullet and installed debian 5 on this laptop and am happy
01:07<meshuggah>i prefer friendler people
01:07<Warp4>heh friendly is good
01:07<meshuggah>i had some difficulty to upgrade to lenny
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01:07<meshuggah>but now it is ok
01:07<meshuggah>the only one thing not working is the tv out
01:07<meshuggah>i tried nvtv but without success
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01:08<meshuggah>i even screwed my xorg.conf..so i learnt to making backup in case
01:08<meshuggah>so i learn
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01:09<Txt-file>Silicium01: I have a VPS and I would not change to a colocation. the VPS costs 10€/month but every other solution is much more expensive
01:09<meshuggah>nvtv doesnt detect the encoder, it doesnt find the name of it
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01:10<gsimmons>dlt_: Have you read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne ? It mentions use of the pci=noacpi boot parameter, in the event of DHCP lease difficulty with Lenny's installer.
01:10<Silicium01>Txt-file, agree, plus all the hustle
01:10<meshuggah>if someone can help me with this one, it would be nice
01:10<k1lumin4t1>Warp4, what's collocation? Giving your gear to a organzation so some people give you a physical space/layout in which you "collocate" your box?
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01:11<Warp4>basically, you rent out space and internet connectiivty at a data center. the put your server in their rack(s) and hook you up, providing you a secure spot for your equipment
01:12<k1lumin4t1>yes, that's waht I thought
01:12<Warp4>plus any good colo company will provide you with 24x7 access to your equipment (physical and otherwise)
01:12<Warp4>some will even monitor your equipment for you for an additional cost
01:12<k1lumin4t1>hmmm
01:12<Warp4>http://www.shatterit.com
01:12<k1lumin4t1>physicall too?
01:12<Warp4>that is the one i worked for
01:12<Warp4>yes, physical
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01:13<k1lumin4t1>so they handle you a key or something of the rooms?
01:13<Warp4>if a colo provider allows physical access to the server, they usually give you a key to the faciility
01:13<Warp4>they usually give you, the client, a key
01:13<Warp4>but someone is usually either physically at the colo data center 24x7 or on cacll
01:13<Warp4>call*
01:13<k1lumin4t1>and how do they control robbery and related issues?
01:13<Silicium01>is it possible to have *.test.com CNAME to test.com?
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01:13<Warp4>as i said, you're paying for the extra security
01:14<Warp4>no one else but you and the staff that work there have access to your equipment
01:14<Warp4>forget my pay extra for security statement
01:14<k1lumin4t1>what about other clients?
01:14<Warp4>plus most data centers (at least most should be) are monitored by security cameras
01:14<k1lumin4t1>ok
01:15<Warp4>again, most data centers have someone at the data center 24x7
01:15<Warp4>if you are looking for a colo provider, be sure that is one of the things you look for.
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01:15<Warp4>but, as with other things, YMMV with different colo providers
01:15<coty>wow that was a fast reboot! I love the speed of 9.04
01:16<coty>now to see if compiz will work
01:16<coty>and it does not...
01:16<k1lumin4t1>?
01:16<coty>wow... wrong channel
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01:16<k1lumin4t1>what the?
01:16<meshuggah>lol
01:17<meshuggah>how is 9.04 faster?
01:17<coty>sorry
01:17<meshuggah>way faster than 8.10
01:17<coty>yes way
01:17<stew>wrong channel
01:17<k1lumin4t1>Warp4, what do you mean by YMMV?
01:17<meshuggah>i know
01:17<meshuggah>but i dnot worry
01:17<Warp4>kilumin, YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
01:17<meshuggah>i changed this to lenny cause it was too slow
01:17<coty>I clicked on the first channel in the list of xchat :(
01:17<meshuggah>but i will way to end of april
01:18<meshuggah>wait
01:18<meshuggah>28 i think
01:18<meshuggah>or 22
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01:18<meshuggah>nvm
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01:20<Silicium01>I'm trying to figure out why my postfix sends email with wrong host... or at least it appears so in the email headers
01:21<Silicium01>received by and received from are set to old hostname I used
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01:21<Silicium01>and although I updated hostname, it hasnt changed in headers
01:21<Warp4>Silicium01, check you /etc/hostname file
01:21<Warp4>did you reboot after changing it?
01:21<Silicium01>Warp4, I restarted /etc/init.d/hostnames.sh
01:22<Warp4>Silicium01, reboot completely
01:22<Warp4>i had the same problem
01:22<Silicium01>Warp4, let me try that
01:22<Warp4>also, check the hostname values in /etc/hosts
01:22<Warp4>make sure you update those as well
01:22<Silicium01>Warp4, tripple checked, it's looking good there
01:23<Silicium01>Warp4, I even dpkg-reconfigured postfix
01:23<Warp4>also check the hostname in the postfix cf files
01:24<Warp4>sometimes the reconfigure doesnt reconfigure everything
01:24<Silicium01>Warp4, reboot did not help, will check postfix file now
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01:27<Silicium01>Warp4, thanks it was in the main.cf of postfix
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01:31<Silicium01>When I use my hostname to create SPF record, should I use host.domain.com or just domain.com ?
01:32<Warp4>id usedomain
01:32<Warp4>btw youre welcome :)
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01:33<Warp4>ok bedtime for me
01:33<Warp4>gnte all
01:34<meshuggah>bye
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01:40<meshuggah>someone can help me with a nvtv /TV-out probleme?
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02:52<[gloom]>hi there
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02:54<[gloom]>After the last update, my kde task panel (not kicker, a external task panel) has lost transparency, and it seems not to be humanly possible to make it again transparent. Anyone has noticed it?
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03:11<kader>bonjour
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03:20<sphinx>having hda: lost interrupt issues within a virtual pc using woody doesn anyone have solution for that
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03:21<jm_>no-one will care about your problems with woody, upgrade
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03:22<sphinx>cant use newer software since the software want glibc 2.1
03:22<[gloom]>jm_: I guess that was to me:D Yeah, I know. But I don't loose anything asking it, don't you think?
03:22<jm_>[gloom]: no
03:23<jm_>paste all the hda related error messages on pastebin
03:23<[gloom]>brb
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03:23<sphinx>all i get is hda: lost interrupt
03:24<sphinx>trust me i would much rather use sarge or lenny
03:24<sphinx>but i cant
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03:33<petern>hmm
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03:35<petern>odd, i thought acpi just worked these days :o
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03:35<sphinx>its on old woody
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03:36<sphinx>tried potato same issues
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03:44<jm_>i highly doubt "lost interrupt" is shown on its own, it must be outputed together with other error messages
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03:47<sphinx>no sorry its all i get as an error
03:48<sphinx>just one after another
03:48<sphinx>then for a short time it works then 2 minutes later they come again
03:49<jm_>where are you looking?
03:49<sphinx>in console
03:49<jm_>...
03:50<sphinx>cant find much more in the log files wither
03:50<jm_>never heard of kernel ring buffer where useful messages are put? use dmesg
03:51<sphinx>only hda: lost interrupt no more info about it
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03:53<jm_>no error= status= errors?
03:53<sphinx>nop
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03:55<jm_>in that case I'd suggest to check power supply/cables
03:55<sphinx>its in a virtual pc
03:55<sphinx>and sarge lenny sid works great
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03:56<jm_>then try disablign dma in it
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03:56<sphinx>tried still problem with it
03:56<jm_>then I can't help you
03:57<sphinx>thanx alot anyway
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03:58<jm_>tried using newer kernel for woody?
03:58<sphinx>using 2.4.18 kernel
03:58<jm_>yeah I'd go for latest 2.4 kernel - self compiled
03:59<sphinx>well that might be an idea to do
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03:59<sphinx>well thats maybe what i am going to do since i cant figure out whats causing it
04:02<pinglin1>My / is full, I need more free space here: /dev/hdb3 6.5G 5.9G 209M 97% / . Can I use another volume, formst, add or something else? ( /dev/hdb1 20G 16G 3.6G 82% /mnt/win)
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04:07<sphinx>have u checked if /var/cache/apt/archives/ is empty
04:09<sphinx>u can add another volume as a folder
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04:23<tenzind>hi, I downloaded lenny first cd using jigdo from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/jigdo-cd. After installing, I found out that the synaptic package manager is not installed
04:23<Txt-file>tenzind: and now?? where is the problem ... use aptitude in terminal
04:25<zobel>~.
04:25<zobel>~
04:26<tenzind>Txt-file, yeah ... but for some users (like my neighbour, who pointed out the missing synaptic to me) who are not very happy to use the terminal, this seems to be a problem :)
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04:27<craigevil>aptitude install synaptic
04:27<Txt-file>tenzind: kk ... didn't know it ... but 'aptitude install synaptic' should work :)
04:27<buffoon_work>tenzind, then help them to hit the command "apt-get install synaptic" once...
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04:32<tenzind>yes, I helped.. :) just wanted to point out the omission of synaptic, which might have been on purpose or if not we might get it included in a lenny update
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04:33<craigevil>synaptic's Priority: optional, it is never going to be installed by default, you have to install it
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04:35<tenzind>craigevil, oh. ok ..
04:35<tcsetattr>it's Recommended by nautilus though, which gives it a good chance of being pulled in through dependencies if you install any other gnome stuff
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04:36<tenzind>tcsetattr, i installed the whole gnome-desktop-environment but synaptic didnt get installed ...
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04:36<petern>hmm, my audio devices appear to get probed in different orders during boot...
04:37<d3f3nd3r>hi
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04:37<petern>pcsp being the default audio device is... not nice :o
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04:39<jm_>if it was at least covox :)
04:39<petern>*urgh*
04:41<d3f3nd3r>i have a problem with qemu
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04:42<d3f3nd3r_>im running qemu on a 64 bit host but it emulats a 32 bit cpu?!
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04:42<d3f3nd3r_>but i need to emulate a 64 bit cpu
04:42<d3f3nd3r_>any ideas?
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04:46<d3f3nd3r_>exit
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06:18<Guest342>salam
06:18<Guest342>be dahanetan
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06:19<sheldonh>where can i read up on the correct process for lobbying for a package to be included on disc 1
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06:19<jm_>isn't that decided based on popcon?
06:19<jm_>yes dpkg says so
06:20<sheldonh>jm_: hopefully some intelligence is applied to the popcon results. for example, without the vlan package, i can't connect these boxes to the network without more CDs or some other physical medium :(
06:21<jm_>sheldonh: hmm no idea, but perhaps you could make your own CD-s with custom list?
06:25<sheldonh>jm_: ja, no problem sorting myself out. was just thinking, if their is a lobby process, i might as well do the next guy a favour
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06:36<CQ>[ 14.460688] udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
06:36<CQ>I don't see anything more in dmesg, it probes, finds eth0, and then decides to rename it
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06:36<CQ>any ideas why it would do this?
06:36<jm_>udev rules
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06:37<CQ>jm_: when do they get written? on installation?
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06:38<jm_>CQ: on modprobe, ls /etc/udev/rules.d/*net*
06:38<CQ>yeah, I foudn that... ok, then i need to kill the old rule for an old interface, I understand the logic now.
06:39<jm_>yeah, that shit should simply be disabled for one nic systems
06:39<CQ>can I change that on a running system or do I need to reboot?
06:40<jm_>edit the file, rmmod/modprobe it and it should be OK
06:42<CQ>what do I need to rmmod? I would have thought e1000 but that's not lsited as used...
06:42<jm_>ls -l /sys/class/net/*/device/driver
06:43<jm_>(don't rely on Used by column)
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06:52<debam>how to check using command line processor is 32 bit or 64 bit?
06:52<Torsten_W>debam: what? the cpu? des system?
06:53<Torsten_W>s/des/the
06:53<koollman>debam: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo | grep lm
06:54<Torsten_W>grep lm /proc/cpuinfo would be enought
06:55<debam>Torsten_W, koollman ..using this command it is not showing 32 /64 bit..
06:55<debam>i got output as flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl tm2 cid cx16 xtpr
06:55<Torsten_W>debam: your cpu is 64bit
06:56<debam>Torsten_W, how?
06:56<Torsten_W>debam: lm
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06:56<Torsten_W>but it say nothing about your installed system is 64bit
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06:58<debam>Torsten_W, koollman eventhough my system is 64 bit,while running 64bit ISO using qemu it throws ..it seems that processor is not X86_64.
06:59<debam>and hangs
06:59<debam>is it qemu problem? or my running kernel problem?
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07:00<Torsten_W>debam: and you have a 64bit linux installed?
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07:00<debam>Torsten_W, no..it is 32bit.
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07:00<Torsten_W>debam: i don't know if quemu can start a 64bit system on an 32bit host
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07:01<debam>Torsten_W, if i burn same ISO in CD..it works...but it should work using qemu.
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07:08<debam>Torsten_W, koollman ,i have compiled kernel with SMP support but even though #grep 'physical id' /proc/cpuinfo | sort | uniq | wc -l gives output as 1
07:08<debam>i am having AMD 64 athlon2
07:09<jm_>dual core CPU-s will have the same physical ID
07:09<jm_>but core id will differ
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07:09<debam>jm_ means dual core and virtual processors are same?
07:10<jm_>debam: what are virtual processors?
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07:11<debam>jm_ grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l shows count as 2
07:12<jm_>debam: yes, that's normal - core id, processor number etc. will be different, but physical ID is the same since it's the same socket - it would differ with a real SMP system with several CPU sockets
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07:14<debam>jm_ is there any plan for debian specific version of MID devices?
07:14<debam>to realease?
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07:15<Kassel>hello
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07:15<jm_>debam: well there is embedded debian already, and the eeepc effort, and it also runs on android
07:15<Kassel>i need help finding sources.list for "sarge" distro
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07:16<jm_>!tell Kassel -about debian archive
07:17<Kassel>yey, thanks :)
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07:19<Kassel>jm_: how can i force reinstalling a package using dpkg ?
07:19<Kassel>(like apt-get install --reinstall)
07:19<jm_>Kassel: why do you think you need to force it?
07:20<Kassel>jm_: viruses. lots of them. remote machine
07:20<jm_>Kassel: no, I mean which force option do you think you need? dpkg will hapilly reinstall the same version, no need to force anything (there are some files that don't get replaced, so hence the question)
07:21<Kassel>ah, didn't knew :">
07:21<Kassel>thought it's like on red hat
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07:25<Kassel>jm_: how can i get the installed version of a package?
07:26<Torsten_W>dpkg -l package?
07:26<dpkg>ii package 1.4-12.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
07:26<Kassel>thanks :)
07:26<jm_>Kassel: you mean version of an installed package? well too late
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07:35<sbuff>hi
07:35<sbuff>to everyone
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07:39<Kassel>dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: Text file busy
07:39<dpkg>You are moron #1, Kassel
07:39<Kassel>do u happen to know what's that busy file? :|
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07:40<Kassel>i mean where are those "new pre-installation scripts"
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07:41<jm_>Kassel: try using -D2 when installing it
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07:42<Kassel>lol
07:42<Kassel>now it worked.
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07:50<Kassel>seems i have no chance to get it clean :| i'll ask for a format. thanks for helping, dude
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07:50<jm_>you shiuld install recent stable release if doing that
07:51<Kassel>yeah, i know
07:51<Yannick[NS]>hi all
07:51<Kassel>the OS was installed a long time ago
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07:52<Kassel>some sort of cracker broke into it and run few infected files :|
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07:53<Kassel>well, c ya
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08:11<Silicium01>Should reverse DNS record be set to domain.com or test.domain.com?
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08:12<petemc>Silicium01: doesnt really matter, but if you're sending mail, its best that it matches what you helo with
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08:13<dave12>A package depending on an unavailable package is a serious bug, right?
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08:13<petemc>dave12: in stable?
08:13<dave12>petemc: No, unstable.
08:14<Silicium01>petemc, I am sending mail. How do I check what I say helo with?
08:14<petemc>Silicium01: which mta?
08:14<Silicium01>postfix
08:14<petemc>no idea
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08:14<dave12>petemc: Basically, Unstable's fretsonfire's 2009/03/02 update starting depending on fretsonfire-songs-muldjord, which isn't a package. :\
08:14<jm_>you could simply check the traffic - it will be visible there
08:15<petemc>dave12: you should expect that type of thing from time to time
08:15<oliva>hi there ... I'm experiencing a strange problem with X. the mouse pointer can go out of the window on the left side and also pop-up messages exceed that margin
08:15<dave12>petemc: But it's still bug report worthy, right? In the case that it is, is it serious?
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08:18<dave12>serious if "is a severe violation of Debian policy (that is, the problem is a violation of a 'must' or 'required' directive). I've not read policy, so I don't know if it's true. I guess important is maybe more suitable then.
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08:26<chealer>dave12: yes. bugs that make packages unusable are even grave.
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08:49<leetsweden>Hej :)
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09:03<zxd>how do i list all packages i have installed that are under base section
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09:03<jm_>use aptitude
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09:08<Cadmium02>how do I check if postfix says helo with full hostname or just domain name?
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09:09<Maulkin>Look at mail headers
09:09<Maulkin>?
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09:10<Cadmium02>Maulkin, they dont show
09:10<Maulkin>Received: from fusion.oftc.net ([72.3.249.93] ident=postfix) by
09:10<Maulkin>Seems to show here
09:10<jm_>you'll also see it in wireshark or if you strace it
09:10*Maulkin nods
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09:11<Athunye>Hello. I have a doubt about installing kde from the cdrom. I already have a base system in installed. The page only does not mention if I have to mount the cd or whatever. Any help would be appreciated.
09:12<petern>did you try it?
09:12<gsimmons>Cadmium02: Also, postconf | grep smtp_helo_name
09:12<jm_>Athunye: apt will mount it itself
09:13<Athunye>jm_: OK. Thanks.
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09:13<hua>hello!
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09:14<Cadmium02>gsimmons, it showed =$myhostname
09:15<Cadmium02>My question is I guess: Does my RDNS have to be set to hostname or jst domain is ok?
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09:15<Cadmium02>hostname is test.domain.com and looks like that's what's sed for ehlo, but reverse dns is set for domain.com
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09:16<petern>rdns is generally set to hostnames, but the hostname could be just "domain.com" anyway
09:16<Cadmium01>any ideas?
09:17<Cadmium01>petern, my hostname is set to test.domain.com but rdns is set to domain.com
09:17<petern>yes, you just said that
09:17<Cadmium01>Should I be concerned?
09:17<petern>if domain.com resolves to the correct IP then not really
09:17<Cadmium01>petemc, ok
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09:18<Cadmium01>petern, ok thanks
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09:18<Cadmium01>Is there any SPF testingutility out there?
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09:19<petern>testing which part?
09:19<koollman>Cadmium01: spfqtool , spfquery, probably some others.
09:19<Cadmium01>koollman, thanks
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09:19<zxd>what's the aptitude syntax for searching packages tagged as essential and in base
09:19<fr_>ciao
09:20<Cadmium01>petern, I created the TX record and wanted to see if it's right when I send mail
09:20<fr_>ce qualche italiano
09:20<koollman>!it
09:20<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:21<fr_>grazie
09:21<jm_>zxd: aptitude's readme explains search patterns
09:21<zem_>anyone else has problem with pidgin icq?
09:22<petern>entering "spf test" into google might give you some results...
09:22<petern>zem_, yeah, it doesn't work
09:23<jm_>~E to match essential packages
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09:25<zxd>thanks
09:26<petern>zem_: there are bugs #518988 and #519011 which have no responses... maybe there's another which does
09:27<petern>from what i can tell the main problem is it's a moving target which doesn't work well with a stable OS
09:27<petern>"switch to xmpp" ;)
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09:27<jheysson>oi
09:27<jheysson>q fala portugues ai
09:28<OdyX>!pt
09:28<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
09:28<jheysson>filhos da putas
09:28<OdyX>eh.... que...
09:28<koollman>hehe. I understand that one
09:28<OdyX>Don't insult us !
09:28<jheysson>ai aguen falapurtuga
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09:29<OdyX>jheysson: This is an english-speaking channel.
09:29<cahoot>don't enlighten him
09:29<jheysson>kill the alarm
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09:29<amphi>!kill the alarm
09:29*dpkg rips the alarm open with his teeth
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09:29<jheysson>enlighten he o escanbou
09:30<zxd>jm_, do you have url with the readme
09:30<jm_>zxd: vi /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
09:30<jm_>or rather pager
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09:31<jheysson>ferdaaaaaaaaaa
09:31<jheysson>I'm from Brazil, I have a band and
09:31<jheysson>Qro learn spoken English, and I taught you speak Portuguese well
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09:33<jheysson>filhos da putas respoden
09:33<jheysson>essa porra
09:33<jheysson>do caralho
09:34<jheysson>eu vou cumer seus cuzinho de merda
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09:34<jheysson>se vc s ñ responderem
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09:35<jheysson>shashasahshas
09:35<jheysson>kokoroto sotto
09:35<jheysson>myusturero
09:35<jheysson>yemi
09:35<OdyX>Stop that !
09:36<jheysson>para pra q
09:36-!-mode/#debian [+sn] by mikegrb
09:36<Athunye> jheysson is insulting all of you. I cannot traduce, to English.
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09:36<OdyX>jheysson: don't insult people or you'll get banned.
09:36-!-mode/#debian [+q jheysson!*@*] by mikegrb
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09:37<OdyX>… done.
09:37<Athunye>jheysson: I'm ashamed to say that I'm Brazilian to...
09:37<Athunye>:(
09:37<Athunye>Well done.
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09:42<And1>Anyone know, how I edit an existing gpg uid (I want to add a comment)?
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09:42<cat>nope
09:43<jm_>read the man page, section How to manage your keys
09:43<petern>--edit-key ?
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09:44<And1>petern: Yeah, but I don't find a command there.
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09:58<ml> /aname
09:58<ml>heh
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09:59<amphi>ml: stop that
09:59<amphi>;)
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10:01<Cadmium01>Is this the right SPF record if I want to set it for host.domain1.com example.com? v=spf1 a a:example.com ~all
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10:06<ml>amphi: :)
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10:09<amphi>ml: how goes it?
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10:11<ml>amphi: take a look :) http://picpaste.com/2009-03-10-100817_1920x1200_scrot.png
10:13<amphi>årrghh, the curse of komodo!
10:13<ml>lmao
10:13<amphi>you've got a thing about 0x0000ff eh?
10:14<amphi>er, 0x00ff00 I mean
10:14<ml>seems like it
10:14<ml>nevermind that :p
10:14<amphi>that's a grid layout?
10:15<ml>I made it up
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10:15<amphi>uhuh
10:15<amphi>my panel is too low-res for such extravagances
10:15<ml>lol
10:16<amphi>tabbed dragPane full and accordion I find handy so far
10:16<ml>well im'going to use this on an old laptop
10:16<amphi>did you see that gimp layout? nice on a large monitor
10:16<ml>yes
10:16<amphi>on mine I just float all gimpery
10:17<ml>I set it upto float
10:17<amphi>likewise jackery
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10:17<ml>jackery?
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10:17<ml>ima look into draPane
10:18<ml>accardion?
10:18<amphi>aqualung qjackctl jack-rack jackEQ
10:18<ml>oh you like aqualung
10:18<ml>I prefer moc :)
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10:18<amphi>it's ok - it talks to jack, that's the main thing
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10:19<amphi>I've used moc before - I might have another look at it
10:19<ml>hehe communication is the key :)
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10:19<amphi>quodlibet is quite nice, but doesn't talk to jack - at least, I don't think gstreamer does
10:19<ml>I use plain alsa
10:20<ml>use to used alsa with pulseaudio
10:20<amphi>going through jack is fun, as you can add filters
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10:20<petern>gstreamer can talk to jack
10:20<amphi>petern: it can? thanks, I'll look into it
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10:22<kula>part
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10:23<Zathraz>Hi. I have two servers (ancient config, not my idea, not willing to change it) that have shared /home through NFS. User/group /etc files are identical. So now I have a package I want to install which checks if a certain user/group (already) exists and then refuses further install/config. How can I force further install/config through dpkg (packages are downloaded and not available through apt) please?
10:24<Zathraz>user/group exists as package is already installed on the other server
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10:25<ml>amphi: here is my xmonad.hs if wanna see it...
10:25<ml>amphi: http://paste.debian.net/plain/30229
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10:28<ml>amphi: and xmobarrc... http://paste.debian.net/plain/30231
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10:29<amphi>ml: thanks - hang on, I'm wrestling with the controls
10:30<ml>ok
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10:30<ml>I use some of your config, fxiny's, jhon's and my own :)
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10:33<marga>Hi! I've already asked about this like a month ago, but still got no solution, so I'm asking again...
10:33<marga>I'm having troubles with NFS. The problem appears each time there's a power outage. My NFS server is on an UPS, and thus does not go out. But the NFS clients all get powered off.
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10:36<marga>In that situation, the files that were locked when everything was fine, stay locked and there's no way to unlock them.
10:37<marga>Anyone knows how to force NFS to unlock a file ? (apart from the dirty cp/mv/cp trick that I'm using)
10:37<jthomas>remove the UPS? ;)
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10:38<ml>heh
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10:41<clockfort>Anyone want to help me with a problem I'm having installing a chroot? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=36848
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10:42<Zathraz>marga, how about letting servers go down smoothly and thus let them be able to unlock?
10:44<marga>Zathraz: I'm not sure I follow you...
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10:45<Zathraz>normally you can have an UPS for 2 reasons: on very short spikes you want to let a server (or servers) keep working or you just give server(s) time to go down smoothly and thus keeping everything tidy without dataloss
10:46<azeem>clockfort: does your kernel support executing ia32 binaries?
10:46<Zathraz>so if you have client/server based UPS software like NUT you can plan which server goes down at what time/sequence
10:46<clockfort>@azeem I'm using the default debian mckinley kernel right now
10:46<Zathraz>does that not help resolving the NFS issue or have you already configured such a setup?
10:46<azeem>mckinley?
10:46<azeem>clockfort: so ia64?
10:47<clockfort>Err, it's the build for my processor architecture, yes.
10:47<azeem>Zathraz: the point is that servers shouldn't go down if not necessary, no?
10:47<Zathraz>yes
10:47<Zathraz>true
10:47<clockfort>Azeem: Yeah, Itanium.
10:47<azeem>so the short spike scenario
10:47<Zathraz>but batterypower is always limited
10:47<azeem>clockfort: I'm not sure ia32 chroots on ia64 are supported
10:48<azeem>or rather, I guess they are not
10:48<clockfort>azeem: I found a guide online on how to do it with sid, so it was at least working then
10:48<marga>Zathraz: ah, ok, but today, for example, the power went out only for 1 second. Other times it has been a minute or two. Powering off and on the NFS server might take 20 minutes or so. Not good.
10:48<Zathraz>and you want to prepare for a second powerfailure right after the previous one.
10:48<azeem>clockfort: from what date
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10:48<Cadmium01>is there a way to terminate tuncfg ?
10:49<Cadmium01>top shows it's cpu on tuncfg at 97%
10:49<clockfort>azeem: Not sure, i think it was from when sid was unstable though.
10:49<clockfort>azeem: Can't seem to find the article at the moment
10:49<azeem>clockfort: sid is still unstable
10:49<azeem>so it could've been anytime since 1996
10:49<clockfort>azeem: Oh :-)
10:49<Zathraz>marga, so you have a NFS server on UPS and the other servers (nfs clients) are not on UPS?
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10:50<azeem>Zathraz: right
10:50<marga>Zathraz: the others aren't servers.
10:50<marga>Zathraz: they are workstations.
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10:50<adb>well such final clients ...
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10:51<yusuo>hi i need some help with a network setup
10:51<adb>!ifup
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10:52<azeem>marga: did you try restarting the nfs-utils initscript?
10:52<azeem>well, nfs-common
10:52<yusuo>im trying to give guest access through a smb netowrk, i can see the network on another machine but cant access
10:52<marga>azeem: I didn't... But wouldn't that kill all the live connections?
10:53<azeem>hrm
10:53<azeem>marga: well wasn't aware there were still live connections
10:53<azeem>but it wouldn't restart the nfs server, just the auxiliary demons like statd, lockd etc.
10:53<azeem>AIUI
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10:54<marga>azeem: yeah, well, there are other servers (thin client servers) that are also on UPS and those connections survive. Only the workstations don't.
10:54<azeem>tricky
10:54<petern>more UPS :D
10:55<azeem>apparently there's a clear_locks command on Solaris
10:55<Alief>any female
10:55<azeem>Alief: do you have a Debian question?
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10:55<marga>azeem: that would be neat :)
10:56<Alief>what the question?
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10:56<azeem>Alief: this is a Debian support channel. Do you have a Debian question?
10:56<yusuo>im in need of some help
10:56<azeem>if not, please either stay quiet or leave
10:56<amphi>ml: what version of xmobar do you have there? Cpu doesn't work like that here
10:56<Alief>ok
10:56<amphi>ml: no per cpu stats
10:57<yusuo>could someone help me with network sharing
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10:57<ml>amphi: the new one 0.9.1
10:57<ml>;)
10:57<ml>I saw your config and gave me the idea
10:57<Alief>if any hot female, please add me.
10:57<ml>thanks :)
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10:58<ml>heh
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10:58<ml>Alief: wrong channel :P
10:58*amphi adds Alief to the throng in the oubliette
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10:59<ml>amphi: you like it the cpu setup?
10:59<stew>marga: there is lots of stuff about locking in nfs(5) (which i don't know, but might be worth reading)
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10:59<azeem>marga: maybe sm-notify(8) is what you need
10:59<marga>stew: I think I've already read them, but I'll re-read them just in case. The "clear_locks" command for Solaris sounds just like what I want... I wonder why it's not in Linux.
10:59<marga>azeem: will check, thanks.
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11:00<azeem>" File locking over NFS requires a facility to notify peers in case of a reboot..."
11:00<stew>marga: could you, perhaps, get away with nolock?
11:00<azeem>but maybe that's server->client
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11:02<marga>azeem: it sounds exactly like what I need, now I just need to find in which package this thing is shipped
11:02<azeem>nfs-common
11:02<azeem>AFAICT
11:03<ml>amphi: if you are going to use 0.9.1 you need to add...
11:03<marga>Uhm, not in Etch.
11:03<azeem>btw, does anybody have experience with NFSv4 and Kerberos? Is it reasonably easy to setup for a small-scale network, or just way overkill for that
11:03<azeem>marga: oh, could be
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11:03<azeem>marga: it's in lenny though
11:03<marga>Yeah, damn, sm-notify is not present in etch.
11:03<ml>amphi: , lowerOnStart = True
11:04<ml>amphi: to your xmobarrc
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11:05<azeem>marga: looks like there's no backport either :-/
11:05<clockfort>azeem: Yeah, I'm a sysadmin for a network that uses NFSv3/NFSv4 with Kerberos auth
11:05<Alief>any
11:05<marga>azeem: yes, ok. Well, we will upgrade to Lenny, eventually.
11:05<Alief>female
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11:06<clockfort>azeem: It's pretty good for small-scale applications, not hard to set up really, so yeah, probably reasonable enough.
11:07<azeem>ok, thanks
11:07<azeem>I'll look into it
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11:07<azeem>sounds like a better alternative to AFS anyway
11:07<clockfort>azeem: Yeah, it'd be easier than AFS
11:07<bighornram>I've read where as an option to avoid the fsck after X bootups, ie when time constraints are present, one could hibernate instead of shutting down the laptop. Downfall stated that fsck wouldn't ever run then. How is fsck ing handled on machines that don't ever reboot?
11:07<clockfort>azeem: You'll definitely want to set up a ntp server as well on your network, because kerberos flips out when the machine's times are off, as the default kticket length is not so long
11:07<stew>every few years i try to get afs running decide its still not worth it
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11:08<stew>just like every few years I hope that coda is in better shape, and it never is
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11:08<Alief>wow
11:08<marga>clockfort: how "small scale" ?
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11:10<azeem>bighornram: it's not
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11:11<Lelush>hi is anybody home?
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11:11<azeem>bighornram: like if you server is online for a year without interruption, it's not getting fsck'd
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11:11<adb>bighornram: fsck ing is defaulted to about 24 bootups OR 150 days
11:12<clockfort>marga: I run a ~100 machine linux/unix network
11:12<yusuo>hi i need some help setting up a smb network with guest access
11:12<marga>clockfort: and there's no apparente performance problem due to the kerberos layer, right?
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11:13<clockfort>marga: Nope, kerberos authentication (we're using MIT Kerberos 5) is pretty fast. We did have problems with NFS perormance, but they were solved by creating a secondary network just for storage across the fewer big servers that pull a lot of NFS traffic.
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11:15<bighornram>adb: so if you hibernate a laptop instead of shutdown, fsck would run after 150 days?
11:15<marga>clockfort: a secondary network for just 100 machines?
11:16<Lenhix>Anyone here knows a frontend for xmms2?
11:16<marga>bighornram: yeah, any time you reboot it, after 150 days have passed. If you don't reboot it _ever_, then never.
11:16<Lenhix>For kde...
11:16<marga>bighornram: but you'll probably want to change the kernel at some point.
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11:16<clockfort>marga: The Storage Network just goes between a few of the larger servers that everyone is logged in to and that were pulling a LOT of network traffic just to do NFS stuff to the master disk array server.
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11:16<adb>bighornram: i dunno
11:17<marga>clockfort: ok, thanks for the info.
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11:17<clockfort>marga: Sure, no problem
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11:18<bighornram>I'm thinking it would be good practice to hibernate a laptop <usually> with a periodic shutdown/reboot?
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11:22<duckn3t>is this chan for support?
11:22<petemc>yes
11:22<yusuo>so can anyone help with my network setup
11:22<petemc>debian support
11:22<petemc>yusuo: you need to specify what the problem is
11:23<duckn3t>good got an issue with debian 5.0 after install finish im getting the gnu grub screen grub>
11:23<duckn3t>and cursor blinking...
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11:23<yusuo>petemc basically whenever i try and access my debian share through my mac it says connection failed, so i try to log in as a guest and then it says no guest access even though ive set it up so there should be
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11:25<petemc>yusuo: you have a share configured with guest ok = yes ?
11:25<yusuo>i do indeed
11:25<petemc>check the logs
11:25<Pitxyoki>yusuo, you're configuring that using samba shares?
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11:26<duckn3t>petemc: got any clue for my problem ?
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11:26<yusuo>i am, sorry im kinda noob, just moved from ubuntu, how do i check the logs, i checked parametres using testparm and it checks out ok
11:26<Pitxyoki>duckn3t, what happens if you hit the ESC key?
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11:27<Odinux>How many real "Cgi-Bin" folder can I make active in a apache2 configuration?
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11:28<duckn3t>pitxyoki: basicaly nothing... seems to me its like and editor for grub thats it booting...
11:28<Pitxyoki>That's weird.
11:28<duckn3t>yes indead....
11:28<Pitxyoki>You can try reinstalling grub.
11:28<petemc>!rescue mode
11:28<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto
11:28<Pitxyoki>I think the bot has some instructions about that somewhere.
11:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 408] by debhelper
11:29<duckn3t>i ve been using older version of debian before everything seems to be fine...
11:29<duckn3t>ill give a shout right away
11:29<petemc>yusuo: look in /var/log/samba
11:29<petemc> /var/log/samba/
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11:31<ml>duckn3t: make sure you shout loud at it may respond ;)
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11:32<yusuo>nothing looks outta place, i could create a smb user, howq would i go about doing that
11:32<duckn3t>ml: hahahaha
11:32<petemc>yusuo: smbpasswd
11:33<duckn3t>pitxyoki: same issue....
11:33<duckn3t>i dont understand
11:33<ml>:)
11:33<duckn3t>maybe new kernel in debian 5.0 causing me problem...
11:33<yusuo>Could not connect to machine 127.0.0.1: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
11:33<yusuo>Failed to change password for yusuo
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11:34<ml>duckn3t: did you shout loud enouf
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11:35<duckn3t>so loud!!! that other people in office came to see me if i was ok...
11:35<ml>duckn3t: hehehe :)
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11:36<duckn3t>i wonder if i reinstall debian 4 and make a distribution upgrade with apt...
11:36<duckn3t>what you guys think ?
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11:40<marga>duckn3t: sounds like a lot of wasted effort.
11:40<duckn3t>marga: ive got no where to go right now....
11:40<Pitxyoki>I think debian 5 should have never done that.
11:40<duckn3t>no one seems to have solution
11:41<zumbi>how do i use wikipediafs with debian wiki pages? mkdir: cannot create directory `wiki.debian.org': Permission denied
11:42<@Ganneff>debian wiki isnt using mediawiki, that could be a problem for something based on wikipedia.
11:42<duckn3t>im trying to reinstall debian 5.0 and i just realise something funny... im suppoe to have hardware raid and it doesnt seems to see it i see my two harddrive in the installer...
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11:42<zumbi>Ganneff: is there a way to edit debian wiki pages from command line ?
11:43<marga>duckn3t: ah, that might be the problem then.
11:43<duckn3t>i just realize that this time,..
11:43<marga>duckn3t: did it detect the hardware raid the first time?
11:43<duckn3t>no clue...
11:43<duckn3t>i dont remember...
11:43<duckn3t>i assume not since it didnt seems to see it now...
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11:46<marga>duckn3t: uhm...
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11:47<marga>duckn3t: I don't know much about hardware raid, but I think that it might be that grub is not finding the info because it's on only one disk... In any case I'd try the rescue mode.
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11:50<gsimmons>zumbi: You could try editmoin (http://labix.org/editmoin), which was tested against MoinMoin 1.5.3. It's also packaged in Lenny.
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11:53<roman>help my!!!pidgin no update
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11:54<marga>roman: what problem do you have?
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11:57<marga>roman: do not send private messages.
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11:58<roman>How pidgin to version 2.5.5 update?
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12:00<marga>roman: are you using Lenny?
12:01<roman>yes
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12:01<Stolen>What's the easiest way to get a VNC running on my headless debian?
12:03<marga>roman: apparently it's not possible from Lenny (because it hasn't been backported).
12:03<roman>How it to make?
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12:04<marga>Version 2.5.4 is in squeeze. You might try installing that.
12:05<marga>Stolen: I use x11vnc
12:05<roman>i russian! It any more does not work, demands to 2.5.5 to update
12:05<marga>Stolen: but you'd need to first connect to gdm, login, and then re-run x11vnc, because it closes in the middle.
12:06<Cadmium01>strtotime("2000-05-03") which month will te return 5 or 3?
12:07<roman> It any more does not work, demands to 2.5.5 to update
12:07<marga>roman: I'm sorry, can't help.
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12:08<Watsoon>roman, go to debian-russian maybe someone will help you)
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12:10<D6>Hi. I'm trying to rebuild kernel, and do as it witten at http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage: "fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen setup_i386_none_k7"
12:10<D6>but it days that "make: *** No rule to make target `setup_i386_none_k7'. Stop."
12:10<D6>why?
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12:10<roman>Prompt alternative ?Whether me ban on debian-russian is simple how to remove ban?
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12:11<Geek`N`Proud>D6: try getting the -source package to the kernel you're after and use make-kpkg
12:11<roman>Prompt alternative ?Whether me ban on debian-russian is simple how to remove ban?
12:11<Geek`N`Proud>if you're after a custom kernel that works wonders
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12:15<gsimmons>D6: k7 kernel images were dropped (/msg dpkg k7 dropped). You would want to build a 686 processor image instead.
12:16<D6>gsimmons: hmm but what about kernel optimizations for K7?
12:16<gsimmons>What about them?
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12:17<D6>gsimmons: the kernel will be optimized for the generic 686, not for K7?
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12:18<Geek`N`Proud>D6: use make menuconfig and choose the K7 optimisations then make-kpkg to make one for it
12:19<D6>Geek`N`Proud: I know about make-kpkg but I'm trying to follow wiki
12:19<Geek`N`Proud>then edit the kernel config file for the 686 version
12:20<D6>ok, I'll try it
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12:21<zumbi>gsimmons: i tried 'editmoin http://<user>:<pass>@wiki.debian.org/Test' -> You are not allowed to edit this page.
12:21<zumbi>error: body information not found
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12:26*JordiGH discovers /usr/bin/clit
12:26<JordiGH>Isn't there any sort of rule about the binary and the packagename being the same unless there's good reason not to?
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12:30<fgh>hm, when im booting my debian lenny/sid machine with 2.6.26 all sounds are outputed from pc-speaker. but if i boot an older kernel all works just fine. i cant remember that i have done anything that should mess up the kernel.
12:30<gsimmons>zumbi: You need to set your moin ID via ~/.moin_ids; man editmoin
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12:39<linkslice>I've got an Etch system with 3 drives in an md raid 1. Only the first drive is bootable but when I try to follow various walkthroughs on setting up the bootloader on the other disks I just get the error: Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x5
12:40<linkslice>seems to work for a lot of other people though :-(
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12:42<zumbi>gsimmons: sorry it is not clear to me how to set my user/passwd on man page
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12:42<panagos>i have noticed that the entropy pool of my system dropped from around 3400 bits to around 160 bits about 9 days ago! any ideas why this happened? thanks :)
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12:45<zumbi>gsimmons: where do i get all those numbers (MOIN_ID) from?
12:46<Cadmium01>Is there a site or service, os utility, whre I can enter a hostname and see if mail sent from it will have propet seting/ spf/ rdns etc?
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12:47<Mateusz>witam!
12:47<Mateusz>witam!
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12:47<Mateusz>mam problem z debianem z xfce
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12:48<Mateusz>czy ktos moze mnie pomuc?
12:48<gsimmons>zumbi: You don't, you set the moin ID. Log into the Debian Wiki. Assuming "Remember login information" is set in user preferences, acquire your moin ID. Within Iceweasel 3: View Page Info > Security > View Cookies > select "wiki.debian.org", note the Content of MOIN_ID. Then include in ~/.moin_ids .
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12:49<zumbi>gsimmons: i just found it using a search engine, but thanks
12:50<zumbi>gsimmons: it is working :)
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12:53<LL00>can someone help me about iptables?
12:53<LL00>iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -m string --to 70 --algo bm --string 'GET /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.' -j REJECT
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12:53<LL00>I can use -j DROP but I got invalid argument with -j REJECT
12:54<zumbi>dpkg: editmoin is a tool that let you edit wiki pages from command line interface. To configure such tool you need to edit ~/.moin_ids (man editmoin). You can find your MOIN_ID following this way: Log into the Debian Wiki. Assuming "Remember login information" is set in user preferences, acquire your moin ID. Within Iceweasel 3: View Page Info > Security > View Cookies > select "wiki.debian.org", note the Content of MOIN_ID. Then include in ~/.moin_ids. Tha
12:54<dpkg>okay, zumbi
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12:58<LL00>someone suggest me to use INPUT chain, but I PREROUTING DNAT the port 80
12:59<LL00>so INPUT can't help, that's why I use mangle chain
12:59<LL00>oh I forget there is a chan for iptables
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13:09<Marcio>olá
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13:09<kop>LL00: I forget the details but you have to load another module (with -m?) to get REJECT support. I find it easier to work with something higher level like shorewall than directly with iptables. (And I don't believe that you lose any functionality with shorewall either.) Usually I like working directly with the underlying tool, but this is an exception.\
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13:10<Marcinho>=P
13:10<kop>!tell Marcio -about br
13:11<LL00>this rule 'iptables -A INPUT -j REJECT' works
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13:11<Marcinho>What would you like to know?
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13:11<LL00>Marcinho, who?
13:11<LL00>me?
13:12<Marcinho>no
13:12<Marcinho>from where you are?
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13:20<wrossy>Hi everyone.
13:20<adama>hello
13:20<wrossy>You guys know how to check, if my usb-device is even connected :/
13:21<adama>dmesg|tail should say something
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13:21<andrea_>lsusb
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13:23<wrossy>Have anyone used gnokii before?
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13:35<peterius>why would my update manager not work anymore?
13:36<peterius>Its says there are updates, but then I click, enter password and nothing happens
13:36<peterius>I have to do apt-get list upgrade from console
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13:37<fxiny>list upgrade ? you mean aptitude safe-ugrade
13:37<fxiny>upgrade*
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13:37<Pitxyoki>Or apt-get dist-upgrade
13:37<peterius>just "upgrade"
13:37<Pitxyoki>peterius, that's a bug in gksu.
13:37<peterius>nevermind about that
13:37<peterius>I'm tired
13:37<Pitxyoki>Can you open a root terminal from the menu?
13:37<fxiny>aptitude does safe or full
13:37<peterius>I can deal with it, its just annoying
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13:37<peterius>it is a bug?
13:37<fxiny>gnome ?
13:38<Pitxyoki>I had that two days ago and I saw that reported as a bug.
13:38<peterius>that seems like... well update manager seems like its should be super stable by now
13:38<Pitxyoki>After upgrading gksu, it went away.
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13:38<peterius>oh, okay, I'll give that a try, thx
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13:39<Iarla>olá gente!!
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13:39<Iarla>eiii
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13:41<fxiny>hmmm
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13:41<amphi>petern: thanks for the tip about gstreamer and jack - working nicely
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13:41*amphi curses gconf
13:42<fxiny>i removed it
13:42<fxiny>new life in lenny :P
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14:00<petern>so far i do not have gnome installed in my fresh lenny install
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14:05<m_vrik>I'm using Debian Testing and about 3 or 4 updates ago started to get an error message when switching to the root terminal stating error in saving configuration setting for gnome-terminal. Also, the root terminal window now has a much larger font and when I right click on the terminal window it won't let me change the font size. Is this just a bug with the new testing that hasn't yet been fixed?
14:06<avu>m_vrik, check the BTS
14:06<avu>mentor, if it isn't there yet, maybe test if it happens with a new user too and then report the bug yourself
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14:08<Pitxyoki>m_vrik, update gksu to the version at the experimental repositories.
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14:10<Pitxyoki>I mean unstable. Not experimental.
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14:11<m_vrik>I'll check for any bug reports.
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14:12<Pitxyoki>There are two that I've been watching and that may be related: #395462 and #514110
14:12<m_vrik>How do I update gksu to unstable. I know how to change the sources.list file.
14:13<Pitxyoki>You may not have to.
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14:13<Pitxyoki>Just download the .deb from packages.debian.org
14:13<Pitxyoki>From there -> http://packages.debian.org/sid/gksu
14:13<krazy>m
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14:14<Pitxyoki>If it starts telling you it needs too many dependencies you don't have, you can temporarily change the sources.list to unstable, install gksu and then revert the sources to whatever you had.
14:14<m_vrik>OK Pitxyoki, I'll give it a try
14:15<cahoot>m_vrik: rather see if you can do a simple sid backport
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14:16<kulk>funciono mi tarjeta
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14:20<m_vrik>How would I do the sid backport?
14:20<cahoot>m_vrik: try /msg dpkg ssb
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14:22<m_vrik>"/msg dpkg ssb" is that the command to use in the root terminal?
14:22<cahoot>in you irc client
14:23<cahoot>!ssb
14:23<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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14:24<famelix>Pessoal, alguém usa o Brlix?
14:24-!-famelix is now known as KaBuLoSo
14:24<Pitxyoki>KaBuLoSo, this is an english-only channel.
14:24<Pitxyoki>Try #debian-br
14:25<m_vrik>#debian-br produced command not found
14:26<Pitxyoki>m_vrik, that is an IRC channel.
14:26<Pitxyoki>I was telling KaBuLoSo to join that channel if he wants to speak in Portuguese.
14:26<m_vrik>OH!!
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14:28<m_vrik>Think that I'll add the :deb-src . . . " repository for Sid and see If I can work that angle. Thanks. I'll be back later.
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14:28*petern ponders giving in
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14:29<KaBuLoSo>Pessoal, alguém usa o Brlix?
14:29<stew>!br
14:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:29<KaBuLoSo>ok
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14:33<CrazedLunatic>is there anyone in here that can assist me for a moment?
14:33<adama>probably, just ask
14:33<avu>CrazedLunatic, you won't get a personal supporter assigned. just ask the channel as a whole, if anyone can help, they'll do so
14:34<CrazedLunatic>I just now managed to get my internet back on (evdo data card) and just got back into chat, but my browsers are not working
14:34<CrazedLunatic>I am usung ubuntu 8.10
14:34<avu>fail :)
14:34<avu>CrazedLunatic, you're wrong here
14:34<fxiny>heheh
14:34<avu>CrazedLunatic, go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
14:34<CrazedLunatic>its the only room I could get into and I hate to press my luck
14:35<adama>CrazedLunatic: Install debian, then ask?
14:35<avu>CrazedLunatic, you're still wrong here.
14:35<goodtime>aww they will tell ya its what irc is
14:35<goodtime>take that away and you got nada
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14:36<goodtime>i run xandros for now but i hang here to learn about debia it is the topic so i try to stick top it
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14:36<goodtime>debian*
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14:39<xno>hey, I'd like to tunnel traffic between two hosts over udp
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14:39<hypnotic>hi there
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14:40<xno>maybe openvpn can do this
14:42<goodtime>server irc.phazenet.net
14:42<goodtime>hrhr
14:42<xno>openvpn + a socks proxy at the server side to make sure that applications use the tunnel
14:42<xno>that could work, right?
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14:42<avu>xno, no need for the socks proxy, just set up the routes to use the tunnel
14:43<hypnotic>i am using 3 debian squeeze roots and sharing the kernel and initrd at my boot partition, did not think about it that each debian root has its own specific initrd, anybody know how I can seperate these 3 initrds?
14:43<goodtime>oops
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14:43<goodtime>forgot the /
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14:44<xno>avu: and the openvpn server needs ip_forwarding enabled then?
14:44<pegasus>ciao a tutti
14:44<avu>xno, if you want other machines on the network to use the tunnel through the server, yes
14:44<avu>!it
14:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:46<xno>avu: hmm no I don't need that, I just want all the traffic that targets the "internet" to be tunneled over openvpn
14:46<xno>avu: from this machine
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14:49<avu>xno, well then no forwarding needed..
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14:49<avu>xno, openvpn has pretty decent documentation and what you want to do is just about the simplest use-case for it :)
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14:55<petern>hmm, jackd appears not to be reporting overruns properly :o
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14:56<And1>Hey folks. I want to read my mails, e.g. those mdadm sends, with mutt. Which mailbox do I need to specify?
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14:56<And1>Is it /var/mail? Can I use this box as normal user?
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14:57<pmitros>I'm looking for a proxy that will cut bandwidth usage. The proxy would be on a high-speed link, with a low-speed link to my machine. The ideal proxy would do something like lynx -dump of any web page I went to, and returned it rendered in plain text, but with working links.
14:57<pmitros>Anyone heard of such a thing?
14:57<avu>And1, it's probably /var/mail/<user>
14:58<And1>avu: /var/mail is empty atm.
14:58<avu>And1, well then, there was no mail delivered there. what MTA do you use?
14:58<avu>And1, it may be delivering to $HOME/Maildir/ for example
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14:59<fxiny>lynx can't dump all pages or connect to many sites
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14:59<fxiny>try with google
14:59<And1>avu: Mh, what is a MTA? :-o
14:59<avu>!mta
14:59<dpkg>mta is, like, Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>.
15:00<avu>!which mta
15:00<dpkg>To see which MTA you have installed: dpkg -S /usr/lib/sendmail , or ask about <mta comparison>.
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15:00<pmitros>All I really need access to is programming documentation, very simple webmail, and a few other things. Lynx handles all of those fine.
15:00<ihernandez>hello. i used to install gnome-printing on debian etch. on debian lenny which package takes care of the printing configuration under gnome?
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15:00<amjad>I have problem starting x in 5.0. The vga card is G4 from intel
15:01<pmitros>The point is to have some web access over an ~11kbps connection, rather than good web access.
15:01<amjad>any suggestions?
15:01<And1>avu: /usr/lib/sendmail not found
15:01<amjad>I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:01<fxiny>why don't you use use perl LWP::Simple; ?
15:01<amjad>did not work
15:01<avu>And1, then you probably don't have any MTA installed at all, which means no mail gets delivered anywhere by anything
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15:02<And1>avu: that's not so great. =)
15:02<tiaz>does anyone know of a decent way to determine which process is using bandwidth?
15:02<avu>And1, then you better install an MTA :)
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15:04<fxiny>pmitros: whats worng with squid ?
15:04<pmitros>fxiny: How would I make it clean up web pages?
15:05<pmitros>fxiny: The whole point is to convert typical web pages (~150k) to something that can go over a limited connection
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15:05<kop>tiaz : lsof to tell what process has what open & tcpdump/wireshark. Although how you make the connections between the two fast enough is a problem.
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15:08<fxiny>pmitros: i sometimes use squid with adzapper , never looked into squid filters
15:08<fxiny>but i believe something can be done
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15:09<kop>pmitros : squid does seem to be the big gun of web proxys, which means that if it can be done that's probably the tool you want to use to do it.
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15:10<And1>!mta comparison
15:10<dpkg>from memory, mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
15:10<And1>!why an mta
15:10<dpkg>An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of mysql). The mta does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>.
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15:11<Geek`N`Proud>ooh
15:11<kop>And1: I prefer postfix, but ymmv.
15:11<Geek`N`Proud>1st thing I normally do is purge any MTAs
15:11<Geek`N`Proud>!nullmailer
15:11<dpkg>nullmailer is, like, a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/, or now a Debian package. See also <ssmtp>
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15:13<And1>avu, kop: Hmm, on the server where my mutt and irssi et al. run, there's exim4-light. Think I'll install this one. -- Geek`N`Proud: What means "smart relays"?
15:14<And1>I also purged exim some time ago, iirc. :-o
15:14<kop>Geek`N`Proud : Removing the MTA is silly. See also smartmontools. If you want your system to talk to you you need an MTA.
15:14<avu>And1, a 'smart relay' is an upstream SMTP server (mostly provided by your ISP) where you can just dump all your outgoing mail
15:14<avu>And1, it weill then take care of delivering it wherever it needs to go (whus the 'smart')
15:15<Geek`N`Proud>kop: yeah I forgot about that
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15:15<abli>Hi! how can I query the dns TTL of a domain name? I tried whois, dig and host but neither appear to print this. I would like to know how fast a dns switch would propagate
15:15<And1>Hmm. Think I'll just install exim. It's in the debian standart-installation, isn't it? =)
15:16<kop>abli : dig shows the ttl. There is no ttl "for a domain", just for individual records.
15:16<abli>kop, is the second column the ttl? in seconds?
15:17<kop>abli : Yes.
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15:17<abli>ok, thanks
15:18<nsa_fiend>i'm running lenny. i'd like to reinstall 2.6.18 for some testing but i dont see it in my repos.
15:18<stew>nsa_fiend: it would be in etch aka oldstable
15:18<kop>nsa_fiend : You may need to get it from kernel.org and do a make-kpkg.
15:19<ArthurLiu>abli, note that it is the remaining TTL on the server you're querying, not the actual TTL of the original DNS record
15:19<ArthurLiu>for that, you'll have to query the authoritative server
15:19<abli>ok. the remaining time is what I am actually interested in, so that is fine.
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15:20<kop>ArthurLiu : Good point. I didn't know that.
15:20<And1>Think I have to choose "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" in exim4, to get local mails from e.g. mdadm and send also mails in my network and out in the interweb?
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15:22<nsa_fiend>kop: bash: make-kpkg: command not found
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15:22<MrBrandon>can someone give me some advice installing debian on a powerpc?
15:22<kop>And1: That sounds plausable. Check debian.org install manual to be sure. I'm unclear on whether the default install is required to limit itself to receiving only from local mail sources, but I think so.
15:23<kop>nsa_fiend : You'll have to install it then.
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15:23<kop>!make-kpkg
15:23<dpkg>make-kpkg is probably the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
15:23<MrBrandon>i installed debian, and when I boot up, it loads the kernal (all the text before it goes to a splash screen or the desktop) and the screen goes blank as if the computer went to sleep. The power button goes from green to orange
15:23<nsa_fiend>kop: it doesnt appear in my repos
15:24<And1>kop: Ok, I'll check it there, thanks. :)
15:24<MrBrandon>any had that problem?
15:24<MrBrandon>I'm thinking there may not be enough ram...not sure though
15:25<kop>nsa_fiend : It's called kernel-package. See also apt-file.
15:25<MrBrandon>I can't seem to find any really small distros like DSL for the powerpc
15:26<fxiny>MrBrandon: is yourr monitor detetced ? var/log/xorg.0.log can tell
15:26<kop>MrBrandon : Perhaps your X is just borked? probably not, but try switching to an alternate console with ctrl-alt-Fn. Or maybe it's power management and you can turn it off with a kernel command line.
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15:26<MrBrandon>fxiny, it shows all the booting up on the screen. wouldnt that mean the monitor is detected?
15:27<fxiny>nope
15:27<MrBrandon>hmm
15:27<MrBrandon>ok
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15:27<fxiny>check your log and http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
15:28<nsa_fiend>kop: is using make-kpkg as simple as invoking 'make-kpkg' in the top-level dir or will i need to study the man?
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15:31<nsa_fiend>oh... nm
15:31<MrBrandon>fxiny, when would I type in var/log/xorg.0.log
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15:31<fxiny>just read it : less var/log/xorg.0.log
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15:32<kop>nsa_fiend : I always forget the initrd option the first time and have to do it again.
15:33<MrBrandon>fxiny, i would type it in at a prompt?
15:33<kop>nsa_fiend : I use /usr/share/doc/kernel-package
15:33<nsa_fiend>kop: well, i'm answering what seem to be config questions right now after running make-kpkg
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15:34<fxiny>MrBrandon: an xterm will do , that is your Xserver log : /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:34<axz>Hi there guys....
15:34<MrBrandon>sorry fxiny, excuse me for my ignorance
15:34<MrBrandon>what's an xterm
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15:34<fxiny>MrBrandon: no porbs
15:34<axz>i would like to install my Nvidia Geforce drivers
15:35<kop>nsa_fiend : You might want to get the .config file out of the etch kernel source package. Or ask the channel (stew) what issues would come up if you just installed an etch kernel on lenny.
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15:35<kop>!tell MrBrandon -about grounding
15:35<kop>MrBrandon : ^ fyi.
15:35<stew>nsa_fiend: wait, why are you building a kernel?
15:35<stew>nsa_fiend: you should be able to install a etch kernel on lenny
15:35<nsa_fiend>i want to install 2.6.18 for some testing
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15:36<kop>MrBrandon : an xterm is a program that runs in X, the windowing system, that lets you type commands.
15:36<nsa_fiend>it remained after the upgrade, but i got rid of it just to clear space
15:36<stew>nsa_fiend: install it from etch
15:36<nsa_fiend>stew: but i'm running lenny
15:36<stew>nsa_fiend: i know
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15:36<nsa_fiend>sorry. i dont understand
15:37<stew>nsa_fiend: add etch to sources.list and aptitude install it
15:37<kop>nsa_fiend : You can ftp to the repos and download the dpkg directly. That's one way.
15:37<stew>nsa_fiend: or youcan donwload the deb from http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.18
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15:38<linkslice>I've got a 3 disk raid 1 and only the first disk has the bootloader on it when I try to write the bootloader using grubinstall /dev/sdb I get the error: Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub \n The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
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15:39<nsa_fiend>didn't know i could ftp to them. what's the address?
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15:39<nsa_fiend>kop: ^^ stew: this one? linux-image-2.6.18-5-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch6_i386.deb
15:39<kop>nsa_fiend : There's a list of mirrors at debian.org. Somewhere.
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15:39<fxiny>MrBrandon: lenny has the ability to detect most monitors at runtime . you can find instructions to manually edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf at the wiki
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15:40<kop>fxiny : Sadly, MrBrandon has left. I told him about grounding that that may have put him off. If he's really a Mr then he may have an overblown respect for authority. Oh well.
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15:41<stew>nsa_fiend: in /etc/apt/sources.list, you have lines that start with "deb" and have the word "lenny" in them, right?
15:41<fxiny>kop: heheh
15:41<nsa_fiend>yeah, i know
15:41<nsa_fiend>didn't know it was safe to just switch them around at will though
15:41<nsa_fiend>thought it might cause problems
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15:42<kop>nsa_fiend, stew: Maybe it only causes problems if there's a package that's removed from lenny but in etch? Otherwise apt will be smart and put in the lenny (newer) version if you don't ask for something specific?
15:43<fxiny>it leaves the old kernel
15:43<stew>nsa_fiend: you shouldn't be switching anything. you should be adding a new line to /etc/apt/sources.list
15:43<fxiny>but i wonder if lenny can run a 2.6.18
15:44<stew>it can
15:44<nsa_fiend>oh
15:44<kop>stew: But add the line at the bottom, not the top, right?
15:44<nsa_fiend>it can
15:44<stew>kop: doesn't matter
15:44<fxiny>yes ? so lenny upgrade is a masterpiece
15:45<fxiny>almost unbreakable
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15:45<kop>fxiny : (I do notice kernel dependencies in shorewall. It broke with the etchnhalf kernel.)
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15:47<fxiny>kop: i'm on shorewall-perl , three upgrades from 2.6.18 . mixed bpo ,volatile ,dmm systems . everyything fine
15:47<nsa_fiend>should i have any references to sid in my lenny sources.list?
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15:47<fxiny>and fonts are good
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15:47<_seek>hey all
15:47<fxiny>i was expecting some fonts problem , at least :)
15:47<_seek>when i'm root, how to change a users password?
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15:48<fxiny>kop: then i upgraded my vservers , guess what ? just a minor conf editing
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15:49<tcsetattr>run "passwd username"
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15:50<nsa_fiend>ok. testing
15:50<nsa_fiend>brb
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15:53<xno>hmm I managed to set up openvpn but still don't understand how to tunnel all the traffic :/
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15:55<xno>ahh found it in the howto
15:55<dkr>xno: set your gateway to the endpoint of the openvpn tunnel?
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15:57<xno>dkr: the howto says that I need push "redirect gatway def1" and masquerading enabled, changing gateways would not even work imho
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15:58<And1>avu, kop: What should be hostname for sending emails, $HOSTNAME or $HOSTNAME.local (or another "top level domain")?
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16:03<xno>dkr, avu: I think a socks proxy is the best solution
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16:06<EmleyMoor>Something has gone wrong with the polling on my /dev/dvdrw. When I do hal-disable-polling --device /dev/dvdrw, I get Following symlink from /dev/dvdrw to /dev/hda. Polling is already disabled on the given drive. When I do hal-disable-polling --enable-polling --device /dev/dvdrw, I get Following symlink from /dev/dvdrw to /dev/hda. Cannot find fdi file /etc/hal/fdi/information/media-check-disable-storage_model_DVDRW_IDE_H16X.fdi. Perhaps polling w
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16:09<jaimesilva>good afternoon!
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16:10<milky>hello
16:10<th>hello
16:10<jaimesilva>Does someone around here has experience installing Debian in a Dell Vostro 200? The last daily build of debian-installer can't detect the intel 82801 SATA IDE driver, even if I put it in RAID mode
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16:12<xno>why is danted not in stable?
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16:14<jaimesilva>I have info. that the 82801 (ICH9) sata controller works fine in Ubuntu but I can't find which driver or options are used, I don't want to use Ubuntu! does anyone knows how to make it work in Debian?
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16:15<xno>dante-server is in oldstable only Oo
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16:15<mase>jaimesilva normaly a kernel update does the job
16:15<mase>jaimesilva i think i tried 2.6.29 and ich9 worked fine
16:15<EmleyMoor>jaimesilva: Last time I tried a daily build it couldn't even see the disk on a kvm
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16:16<pallino>Hi guys! I have installed the new debian on old hw.. the only problem I had to eradicate the sound card as it freezed at boot.. I dunno which model of sndcard is, how can I do?
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16:17<mase>pallino do you have another working installation?
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16:17<mase>pallino then you could use "alsaconf" of corse
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16:17<pallino>no, because it doesn't start!
16:17<pallino>It freezes at boot
16:17<jaimesilva>mase, the current linux-installer uses 2.6.26
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16:18<jaimesilva>EmleyMoor, should I try with the stable installer?
16:18<mase>jaimesilva yes, i had to build my own kernel
16:18<EmleyMoor>jaimesilva: At least as a test, maybe
16:18<ml>amphi: did you get it working?
16:18<jaimesilva>mase, but how do I make debian-installer run a new kernel?
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16:18<pallino>I don't recall the exact message, but it was about alsa... and showed something like a progress bar, like this: ========
16:18<EmleyMoor>xno: See bug 480845
16:19<edp>hy everybody!
16:19<mase>jaimesilva oh, because you can't even install? well, that could be a problem...
16:19<jaimesilva>here is the deal there is a driver loaded but the installer says it doesn't detect any hd
16:19<ml>hi
16:19<jaimesilva>but I can see /dev/sda /dev/sda[1|2|3]
16:19<mase>jaimesilva can you manually mount one of these on the console?
16:20<edp>i've a little question! how can i create a wifi ad-hoc connection on my debian?
16:20<jaimesilva>well those are windows vista factory default partitions, I tried to use fstab in /dev/sda but it is not available
16:21<tiaz>does anyone know a wireless card whose driver supports 'mode master'?
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16:21<mase>jaimesilva oh, but you can delete these partitions with debian-installer?
16:21<pallino>no idea? at least I would like to disable the probe for the sndcard and then try to do something with the system on.. I already tried "noprobe" and "failsafe" at boot with no success! :(
16:21<xno>EmleyMoor: very funny, the suggested alternative hpsockd doesn't even have manpages or non html docs..
16:21<jaimesilva>no mase, debian-installer says it can't find any hard disk
16:22<mase>jaimesilva what sata mode have you set in bios?
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16:23<jaimesilva>but I think the problem is in the installer: when I run partmap it says it can't find libselinux.so.1, so I guess the installer is broken
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16:23<jaimesilva>I'll try with the stable installer
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16:24<pallino>I want to listen to music! Even if it is legacy hardware!
16:24<jaimesilva>same thing happened with parted_devices, only if I have seen that 3 hours ago!
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16:25<jaimesilva>mase, I've tried with IDE and RAID with no success, but it seems like the installer is broken
16:25<mase>jaimesilva strange...
16:26<mase>pallino have you tried to boot in single-user mode?
16:26<jaimesilva>it is loading the right (i guess) driver in both modes, in IDE mode loads ata_piix and in RAID mode loads other one (I don't remember)
16:26<pallino>yes, but it freezed the same.. I must say that was after the graphical install
16:27<pallino>now I did the text one... always the freeze but didn't try single user
16:27<jaimesilva>mase, there seems to be a library missing in today's daily-build debian-installer
16:27*jaimesilva is waiting for the stable debian-installer to download
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16:29<edp>so does anyone know something in ad hoc wifi?
16:29<pallino>but i guess it's the same.. it seemed to try to poll the PCI?? maybe..?
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16:30<pallino>Damn Small Linux had no problems with it, it simply didn't work!
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16:41<jaimesilva>When will hw manufacturers begin do design all their devices for Linux, everything must be "Designed for GNU/Linux" and other OSs users must hit the brick wall when trying to use them
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16:42<jaimesilva>At least now we have ARM based netbooks designed for GNU/Linux
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16:44<jaimesilva>the drives mount! it has to be a debian-installer bug!
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17:08*jaimesilva stable installer dl, burning...
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17:16<dpkg><deb_noob> how do i open syslog? | <deb_noob> with kwrite?
17:16<jaimesilva>Worked! the stable installer works fine, I wasted 4 hours because a bug in the daily-build debian-installer!
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17:17<stew>jaimesilva: has the bug been reported?
17:17<jaimesilva>stew, nop
17:17<jaimesilva>I'm going to watch for it right now
17:17<stew>jaimesilva: can you report it against the debian-installer pseudo-package?
17:19<jaimesilva>the libselinux.so.1 library is missing => partition tools doesn't work => installer thinks hd is not detected
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17:22<jaimesilva>stew, I guess I can, I'm on a different system how do I specify the version?
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17:22<dsfefew3232dfvg>i have a little question is it enogh to download the 1st cd to get debian work or i have to download all cd's ?
17:22<jaimesilva>dsfefew3232dfvg, the first one will do
17:23<dsfefew3232dfvg>ok thank you
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17:30<AbsintheSyringe>any clue if gnome 2.24 will move to testing/unstable soon?
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17:32<markrian>AbsintheSyringe: see experimental
17:32<AbsintheSyringe>markrian, I'm gonna pull it from experimental if it's gonna move to testing/unstable soon enough
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17:33<cidwel>hallo all
17:33<cidwel>i have a question. I'm using wine to play s4 League, the game runs almost perfect but there is only a problem. I only can run the game by doubleclicking the exe icon in nautilus, i cannot create a symlink. When i try to make a shortcut or ln, the link only works if it's located inside the games folder, not when i put inside the Desktop folder. Does this have any sense?
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17:34<Txt-file>cidwel: use command wine 'location of the exe' ... worked for me alltime
17:35<cidwel>i tried
17:35<cidwel>and only works if i do before cd to the games folder
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17:36<markrian>cidwel: look inside the .desktop file that wine should have created in ~/.local/share/applications/wine for the game
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17:37<markrian>cidwel: it'll tell you what is eexceuted to run it
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17:38<pippo>ciao
17:38<cidwel>.... markrian, the problem is that, the .desktop file fails to load
17:38<cidwel>i can only execute if i do by doubleclicking in the games folder
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17:43<valdyn>cidwel: how are you exactly trying to run it?
17:45<cidwel>first, i tried to use the wine shortcut, it doesnt worked, then i tried to create ln and shortcuts without any changes, and then, i tried to use terminal and type: wine /home/blablabla/games/mygame.exe and doesn't worked
17:45<cidwel>then...
17:45<cidwel>tried to first cd /home/blablabla/games
17:45<cidwel>wine mygame.exe
17:45<cidwel>et volia
17:45<cidwel>same as doubleclicking in nautilus the exe file
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17:48<cidwel>... i think a .sh should do the trick
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17:52<xxiao>when i login to debian, it says "You must change your password now and login again", where to disable this? i did it once but forget
17:54<cidwel>yep valdyn , a .sh did the trick
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17:58<AbsintheSyringe>markrian, how come I can't pull it out from experimental? aptitude -t experimental install gnome ... doesnt find anything o_O
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18:00<preston>i just installed Lenny and everything is working OK im getting one anomaly though my package managers working icon stays on for a minute or two after i've updated or checked for them, any ideas
18:01<djc>for the record, 'extensions' (eg ".sh") are only relevant in the windows world. shell scripts do not have to have ".sh" at the end.
18:01<preston>weird 1st half of text is gone
18:01<djc>in fact veteran *nix users see adding ".sh" at the end is kinda silly
18:01<preston>i just installed Lenny and everything is working OK im getting one anomaly though my package managers working icon stays on for a minute or two after i've updated or checked for them, any ideas
18:01<preston>there we go
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18:04<jaimesilva>stew, Bug reported, info added to Bug #501804
18:04<stew>jaimesilva: great. thanks
18:04<famelix>Boa noite
18:05<famelix>preciso de ajuda quanto a senha do famelix
18:05<famelix>hoje instalei
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18:05<famelix>para sair do xp, mas o Famelix esta pedindo senha do super root e eu nao tenho como faço
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18:06<Txt-file>preston: where is the problem?? just one icon more for twi minutes
18:07<famelix>Sou iniciante no linux nao tenho conhecimento avançado
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18:08<preston>Txt-file, sorry if it seemed like i was complaining, I was more or less just curious as to whether this was normal or a bit of a hangup somewhere
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18:10<Txt-file>preston: eventual is the program for the icon only checking the state of the package manager once a minute ... I don't know
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18:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:33<Steven_M>!donate
18:33<dpkg>If you like Debian are able to donate hardware, services or money, please do so. See http://www.debian.org/donations and http://www.spi-inc.org/donations.
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18:35<pallino>hi! I'm going crazy to use an old video card intel i740... I found the driver but I can't insmode it because it ends with .so
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18:36<pallino>I tried #insmod /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/kernel/drivers/video/intelfb/intelfb.ko
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18:37<pallino>ok.. but # modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/kernel/drivers/video/intelfb/intelfb.ko
18:37<pallino>FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.26_1_486/kernel/drivers/video/intelfb/intelfb.ko not found
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18:37<pallino>I'm stuck in 800 x 600, which I find very ennoying
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18:38<tcsetattr>pallino, the kernel fb driver is not related to the X driver... which one are you really concerned about?
18:38<pallino>th X driver
18:38<pallino>it should be there with xorg but..?
18:39<tcsetattr>then you should just install xserver-xorg-video-i740 and select it in the xorg.conf
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18:39<pallino>I only found one ending in .so
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18:39<pallino>already installed
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18:39<pallino>i put in xorg.conf
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18:39<pallino>"driver" "i740"... no way
18:39<tcsetattr>ok then, what does your Xorg.0.log say about it?
18:40<pallino>wait...
18:40<themill>pallino: you don't modprobe with a filename, you modprobe with a module name
18:41<pallino># modprobe i740
18:41<pallino>FATAL: Module i740 not found.
18:41<pallino>bsd:/home/robi#
18:41<tcsetattr>quit trying to modprobe and insmod things. that's not going to help.
18:42<themill>xorg driver name != kernel module name.
18:43<tcsetattr>send your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere we can see it.
18:43<pallino>where?
18:44<pallino>i created #trashbin but i'll be kicked if i flood it?
18:44<tcsetattr>!paste
18:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:45<tcsetattr>there's a couple of ideas
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18:46<pallino>ok but please understand i'm on very poor hardware and the serial ball mouse is killing me..! :O
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18:48<pallino>ok, done on èaste.debian
18:48<pallino>ok, done on paste.debian.de
18:49<pallino>http://paste.debian.net/30297/
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18:50<tcsetattr>looks like the i740 module is being loaded just fine.
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18:51<stuckey>!msg dpkg 945GSE
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18:52<dave193>Why are there packages dated 10-Mar-2009 14:47 in Incoming? Shouldn't dinstall have caused them to be removed at 19:52?
18:52<pallino>no, if you read further no modes fulfill the vert syncs and it reverts to fb
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18:52<tcsetattr>pallino, you can't get high resolutions because the monitor isn't being recognized.
18:52<stuckey>Does anyone know the state of support of the Intel 945GSE graphics processor?
18:53<pallino>ah.. so? what do I do?
18:53<tcsetattr>put in the monitor horizontal/vertical specs nd it'll start working I bet.
18:53<tcsetattr>look for "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" in xorg.conf
18:53<dave193>pallino: I haven't seen your problem but it sounds like one I had (after I tried ubuntu's alpha 5 CD).
18:53<pallino>and how do I find the ones for the monitor?
18:53<dave193>Yea, setting those two solves it. They aren't in the default xorg.conf.
18:53<dave193>pallino: Manufacturers specs.
18:54<dave193>pallino: On their website, for example. Sometimes ebuyer and such also say the rates too.
18:54<pallino>mmm.. in my usual pc knoppix detects a different producer..!!
18:54<pallino>I can't remember thye specs, can I find them somehow?
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18:55<dave193>pallino: I mean, if you know the manufacturer and model of your monitor, then you might be able to find the specs by searching for your model on the manufacturer's website.
18:55<pallino>I mean... generally gdm scans for the available modes (at least in my usual pc)
18:56<pallino>IIRC there's a sw that talks with the monitor..
18:56<pallino>at boot
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18:58<tcsetattr>pallino, ideally for monitors that don't autodetect the numbers should be in the printed manual that came with the monitor. when idealism fails, you can just start guessing. take the defaults and increase the maximum gradually until it works
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18:58<tcsetattr>if it starts buzzing and smoking, you went too far
18:58<pallino>ok, i'm googling for my obscure producer
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19:00<pallino>yeah.. for your info... an easy way to find out hsync and vsync is..
19:01<pallino>..to press the settings button in front of the monitor, then a popup appears..!
19:01<tcsetattr>that tells you the current settings, or the minimum and maximum?
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19:01<pallino>current, I guess, but is already something
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19:02<pallino>so I put them in the monitor section, right?
19:02<tcsetattr>the point of the xorg.conf setting is to set the limits beyond which the monitor will stop working.
19:02<tcsetattr>the whole reason you're doing this is that your current settings are not what you want, right? what good is that
19:03<pallino>taht i just want another resolution, even with low freq
19:03<tcsetattr>it said "(II) I740(0): Configured Monitor: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz"
19:04<pallino>then why didn't it work?
19:04<tcsetattr>that means "since I can't tell what kind of monitor this is, I'm assuming it's a 20-year-old monstrosity"
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19:05<tcsetattr>what you need to do is go put HorizSync 31-50 or something like that. give the X server permission to go higher than 37.90 kHz.
19:06<pallino>how?
19:06<nosklo>that can blow up some older monitors
19:06<tcsetattr>50 is probably good... it'll get you 1024x768 at least. but if you go to high, the monitor will be unhappy.
19:06<tcsetattr>s/to/too/
19:06<pallino>it's only six or seven years old
19:06<tcsetattr>my monitor is about 15 years old, it can do 50kHz :)
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19:07<pallino>I think it should even support 1394 x ... or something.. but very ugly
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19:07<tcsetattr>when you put HorizSync 31-50 in your xorg.conf, you're saying to the X server "I promise the monitor won't explode when it gets a 50kHz signal".
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19:26<ringo999>hi, i have an external harddrive I would like to mount, but I dont know what filesystem it is, how to find out?
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19:27<Txt-file>ringo999: you could use GParted
19:27<maxb>plug it in and run "blkid" (as root)
19:28<tiaz>ls /dev/sd* and ls /dev/hd* will probably give you a good idea
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19:28<tiaz>or maxb's idea and run 'mount' to compare against the list
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19:30<ringo999>maxb: thanks a lot that helped!
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19:39<Circuit>Hey guys, anyone knows a Eletrical circuit CAD for linux:
19:40<Circuit>(interrogation)
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19:41<themill>Circuit: geda and qucs are the two I've come across. Look at the science-electronics package for other ideas.
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19:42<bighornram>would anyone have any idea why my psi icon on the gnome panel gets a black background after screensaver sets, this happened after enabling compositing in metacity.
19:42<Circuit>ok, i have it, but they are text-line. I Need a gui that i use to create my circuits by images
19:43<HellTiger>http://www.youngtibet.com/kunsel/music/Om.mp3
19:43<Circuit>like, i pick a resistor, put here, pick another capacitor, put here
19:43<themill>Circuit: both geda and qucs do that.
19:43<craigevil>electric - electrical CAD system, or do apt-cache search circuit or apt-cache search cad
19:43<dardarou>how can i find and reinstall packages with manualy deleted folder, /etc/gconf for example? apt-get does not have reinstall option, so remove-install cycle is may be really large and, most likely, nothing reinstalable
19:44<Circuit>it have a sircuit simulator inside:: like i create a circuit and test it::
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19:45<bighornram>dardarou: if you know the package aptitude reinstall option works
19:45<Circuit>( : == interrogation)
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19:46<Circuit>ok, ill try
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19:48<nsa_fiend>is there an chan for virtual ose?
19:49<themill>!vbox
19:49<dpkg>virtualbox is probably a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/ VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch. Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>. #vbox on irc.freenode.net.
19:49<nsa_fiend>right. virtualbox
19:49<nsa_fiend>thx themill
19:50<dardarou>bighornram, it is same is remove-install cycle - nothing really reinstalls
19:50<themill>dpkg: tell dardarou about confmiss
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19:50<dardarou>thanks
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19:52<dlf29>I'm having difficulty figuring out why Lenny stable with 2.6.26-1 kernel (xen and non-xen) is using almost 600MB (out of 1GB total memory) in unreclaimable slabs after 4 days running samba 3.2.5. Any ideas?
19:52<bighornram>I abused the * the other night and lost a x11 file, only could get command prompt and was able to reinstall the packaged containing the lost file with aptitude reinstall and package name
19:53<Txt-file>dlf29: it does not need more??
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19:54<dlf29>I'm sure it would continue growing if I xm mem-set to more. I've not had this problem on other kernels, and other vm's are only using 10M in SUnreclaimable.
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19:55<enouf>dlf29: perhaps a tool such as 'meminfo' might help you track down the issue
19:56<enouf>dlf29: http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ ..maybe vmstat et al
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19:57<dlf29>I'm using slabtop, /proc/meminfo, /proc/slabinfo, /proc/zoneinfo. Most of it doesn't make much sense (but I'm no kernel hacker yet)
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19:59<enouf>dlf29: heh, neither am i, (though the guy who wrote that tool could be)
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19:59<circuit>there isnt a electrical CAD with circuit simulator integrated? i was using oregano but its not so good. if have one like it but better
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19:59<circuit>can u tell me?
19:59<dlf29>Yes, and vmstat as well, though vmstat doesn't seem to report memory allocated in slabs... unless I'm reading it all wrong.
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20:01<enouf>dlf29: just a note; channels maybe like #kernelnewbies (?) here on oftc.net, and even ##kernel on freenode.net might also be somewhere to look for some guidance
20:01<themill>circuit: qucs can draw and simulate your circuits but doesn't do pcbs. geda and kicad can draw pcbs but I'm not sure about simulation. You'll have to try.
20:02<circuit>pbcs?
20:03<themill>printed circuit board...
20:03<dlf29>Sounds like a good idea, thanks enouf.
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20:03<circuit>i dont need it.. it is for educational pourpose
20:04<circuit>its for my classes of Circuits Lab
20:04<circuit>i have kicad installed, if i neef print circuit boards i export to it, right?
20:04<themill>sounds like qucs is the package for you then
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20:08<circuit>ty, ill test it. bye
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20:25<themill>!qotd0
20:25<dpkg>somebody said qotd100 was < xpurple> Now I'm getting a message that says "Sending IP address to NSA"
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20:32<damaso>hi
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20:38<netzwurm>hi.
20:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 386] by debhelper
20:39<netzwurm>so i am in a coffee shop with wireless. ping can resolve hostnames (google.com) but telnet or mozilla or w3m cannot.
20:39<netzwurm>any idea what's wrong?
20:39<netzwurm>i just upgraded sid so it might not have anything to do with the coffeeshop net after all.
20:40<netzwurm>so my question is, how does ping does it's dns lookups as opposed to telnet etc.?
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20:50<jack>Hi there...When I used "apt-get update"...said me that "NO_PUBKEY 60D11217247D1CFF"
20:51<abrotman>for which repository?
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20:53<Silicium01>I cant decide what method/software to use for backing up my server
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20:54<Silicium01>I need to backup home direcotry, svn repositories and mysql databases.
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20:54<binarymutant>tarballs?
20:54<Silicium01>binarymutant, are you replying to me?
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20:55<binarymutant>Silicium01, ya, its a suggestion
20:55<Silicium01>binarymutant, no, I need a better / automated way
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20:56<binarymutant>you can make cron tarball it :P
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21:01<int>hi
21:01<AbsintheSyringe>I'm trying to package something, how do I compare two dirs and all the files and lines within those dirs and files. I'm trying to do this with diff, but whatever I try I'm not successful, that is it doesn't look as it originally looks
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21:03<binarymutant>AbsintheSyringe, did you use the -r switch?
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21:04<AbsintheSyringe>binarymutant, yea, that's not it, I'm trying with -Nur, but again that's not it
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21:05<AbsintheSyringe>ah
21:05<AbsintheSyringe>ur
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21:07<AbsintheSyringe>nope, that's not it, I'll just ask the dev I'm trying to adopt the package from
21:07<jason>Can anyone tell me how I can install my Intel Chipset drivers on debian?
21:07<jason>I need one for my video
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21:08<abrotman>what's wrong with the video drivers that come with debian ?
21:09<goodger>abrotman: I think he may be referring to hardware mpeg decoding acceleration
21:09<jason>I don't know it seems really choppy
21:09<jason>Intel GMA 4500 is my video chipset
21:10<jason>The video is extremely choppy
21:10<amphi>jason: you could try using XAA instead of EXA, perhaps
21:10<jason>I know its not my CPU / Memory but transitions during opening of new windows takes a second
21:10<amphi>jason: you use xv?
21:10<jason>I don't know?
21:11<goodger>define "transitions during of opening of new windows"?
21:11<Silicium01>what are hard links?
21:11<amphi>jason: try mplayer -vo xv whatever & see if the choppiness is still there (if video playback is what you speak of)
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21:11<Silicium01>"rsnapshot makes extensive use of hard links, so disk space is only used when absolutely necessary. " what does hard links mean here
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21:11<amphi>jason: if you mean generally, see if using XAA in your xorg.conf helps
21:11<jason>Well, its not video playback exactly, its everything
21:12<jason>even viewing pictures
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21:12<amphi>jason: EXA is a bit slow on intel until a more recent version of X and the intel driver than is in lenny, I think
21:13<goodger>Silicium01: hard linking means including library code in the binary, I believe; as opposed to dynamic linking which brings it in from other places
21:13<jason>ok
21:13<amphi>jason: a hard link is just another directory reference
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21:13<amphi>er, Silicium01 ^^^
21:13<amphi>jason: sorry
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21:14<jason>and goodger, what I mean by transition, is for instance, when I 'switch' windows, it shows the frame with a blank white window and after a second it loads the rest of the window
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21:14<amphi>Silicium01: IIRC, the wikipedia article explains hardlinks quite well
21:14<amphi>jason: right - see if XAA improves things; if not, it may just be that card is not so well supported yet perhaps
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21:15<jason>how can i refresh, do I have to reboot?
21:15<amphi>'refresh'?
21:15<amphi>xrefresh will repaint the screen, if that's what you mean
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21:15<jason>Well, theres no 'XAA' in my config
21:16<amphi>if you mean after editing xorg.conf, you'll need to restart X - no need to reboot
21:16<amphi>jason: Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" if I recall correctly - check man xorg.conf
21:16<Silicium01>amphi, ok just read about it, makes sense. I ahvea question though: if I have dir1, dir2, dir3, dir4 and all of them have hard links but dir1 has the original data, what would happen if I deleted dir1?
21:16<amphi>jason: in the device section of the card
21:16<jason>Section "Device"
21:16<jason> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
21:16<jason> Option "UseFBDev" "false"
21:16<jason> Driver "intel"
21:16<jason>EndSection
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21:16<jason>sorry
21:17<amphi>Silicium01: the data would still 'be in' the other dires
21:17<amphi>*dirs
21:17<jason>http://pastebin.com/d10a081af
21:17<Silicium01>amphi, no possibility of loosing something?
21:17<amphi>Silicium01: there's no difference between a hardlink and a 'normal' directory entry, as far as I know
21:17<Silicium01>amphi, (gue to deleting old snapshots) want to use rsnapshot
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21:18<Silicium01>amphi, but it does not use multiple space right?
21:18<amphi>Silicium01: they're all pointers to a particular inode, which is only unlinked when there are no more references to it
21:18<jason>amphi, did you view my post on pastebin.com?
21:18<Silicium01>amphi, cool,
21:18<amphi>Silicium01: only the space for a directory entry
21:18<Silicium01>amphi, would you recommend rsnapshots backup utility or anything else?
21:18<amphi>Silicium01: note that you cannot hard link across filesystem boundaries
21:19<amphi>Silicium01: I've not used it
21:19<Silicium01>amphi, what have you used?
21:19<amphi>jason: not yet - what is it?
21:19<jason>http://pastebin.com/d10a081af
21:19<jason>the driver is set to 'intel'
21:19<jason>should I still change it to XAA?
21:19<amphi>no
21:19<amphi>see man xorg.conf
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21:20<amphi>it's another directive, I think what I wrote above, but you should check
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21:20<amphi>jason: Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" if I recall correctly
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21:21<jason>do I need Option "Accel" "on"
21:22<jason>?
21:22<amphi>that should be the default - the man page says what the defaults are
21:22<amphi>but for some time EXA has been the default accel method on intel
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21:23<jason>I see an Option "Accel" under Screen
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21:23<jason>And also, it states that Option "Accel" 'enables XAA (X Acceleration Architecture), ...'
21:23<LostPlanet>i am wondering if there is any disadvantage to installing the "amd64" version of debian compared ot i386?
21:23<LostPlanet>i have a amd athlon 64 x2
21:23<LostPlanet>5000
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21:24<LostPlanet>like will it limit packages ?
21:24<abrotman>binary-only software can be a pain
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21:24<LostPlanet>because if the binary is for i386 it wotn work right ?
21:25<LostPlanet>but most packages i use are in the standard distribution so i'm guessing they are no binary only. binary only would be stuff in non-free possibly right ?
21:25<jason>some sources require 32-bit libraries though
21:26<jason>anyways, amphi, I'm not finding anything related to "AccelMethod" or anything similar
21:26<jason>I only see the option to enable "Accel" and it is XAA only
21:26<jason>or rather the other
21:26<abrotman>LostPlanet: some can still work
21:27<LostPlanet>is there an example of a main program that wouldn't work for me. like i can still use iceweasel and standard stuff rigght ?
21:27<NSAJEFF>Silly question, where do I place new/additional python modules on a debian sytem?
21:27<jason>Most standard apps do come with the OS even if it is 64-bit yeah
21:28<valdyn>!tell jason -about intel slow scrolling
21:29<LostPlanet>just out of curiosity what are you takling about with this XAA stuff and scrolling ?
21:29<LostPlanet>video card related issue ?
21:29<valdyn>!xaa
21:29<valdyn>!exa
21:29<dpkg>rumour has it, peta is a really big metric prefix, or 10^15, or the people for the ethical treatment of animals... not to be confused with the animal liberation front...
21:29<valdyn>ehe
21:29<LostPlanet>what ?
21:29<LostPlanet>why dpkg say that
21:30<amphi>jason: hang on
21:30<valdyn>LostPlanet: both are acceleration architectures for 2D graphics
21:30<LostPlanet>ah
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21:30<amphi>jason: sorry, I misled you, it's in man intel
21:30<valdyn>LostPlanet: exa is new, xaa is old, yet xaa is still the better choice in some cases
21:30<amphi>jason: my bad
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21:35<jason>oh
21:35<nsa_fiend>i dont seem to have a swap partition on my system. this is a default debian install. could this be effecting my system performance?
21:35<jason>I was told by dpkg from valdyn to go to https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa
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21:36<nsa_fiend>i'm' not saying that my system performance is below standard... but aren't swap partitions kinda normal to have on any linux system?
21:37<valdyn>nsa_fiend: debian makes one if you use guided partitioning
21:37<NSAJEFF>nsa_fiend, will you be my friend?
21:37<NSAJEFF>Together, we can take over the world..
21:37<valdyn>nsa_fiend: you did manual partitioning and just made no swap partition
21:38<nsa_fiend>no. encrypted lvm. guided
21:38<valdyn>nsa_fiend: does not affect performance if ram is sufficient
21:38<amphi>nsa_fiend: you can always make a swap file if you want
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21:38<nsa_fiend>my boot is 250 megs. only 40 is being used.
21:38<markrian>nsa_fiend: I understand that recent (all?) 2.6 kernels suffer no performance penalty by using a swap file
21:38<markrian>(as opposed to swap partition)
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21:39<nsa_fiend>has anyone ever installed another distro with an encrypted lvm for root?
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21:42<jason>valdyn, Once I have applied that into xorg.conf, I shouldn't have any more choppiness?
21:42<jason>:-p
21:42<jason>Also, should I just log out? Does that restart X?
21:43<amphi>jason: who knows? ;)
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21:43<amphi>log out and do alt-ctrl-backspace at the login screen
21:43<amphi>oops
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21:45<abrotman>this wouldn't happen if the world used mpeg2! ... maybe
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21:49<NSAJEFF>Silly question, where do I place new/additional python modules on a debian ssytem?
21:49<jason>Ok, so after adding completing that, I still have choppy video
21:50<jason>didn't mean to say 'adding completing' pick one ;)
21:51<amphi>jason: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to make sure it is using XAA now
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21:53<jason>valdyn wants you to know: Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like https://valdyn.org/xorg-intel-use-xaa in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
21:53<jason>Was I supposed to do that?
21:55<abrotman>but did you check your xorg log to see if it was enabled ?
21:55<jason>yes, but I don't know where to look in the log
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21:56<jason>and should I remove my previous device?
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22:05<jason>Ok, the window switching choppiness is gone
22:05<jason>but now when I view videos in my web browser, its kind of laggy :-\
22:05<amphi>don't do that then ;)
22:05<jason>video stops for a few seconds
22:06<jason>Well what if I want to watch someothing on youtube?
22:06<jason>or google video
22:06<amphi>!youtube script
22:06<dpkg>it has been said that youtube script is see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternate is the 'youtube-dl' pkg
22:07<amphi>jason: it gets the real url and passes it to mplayer, it works well; args after the url a passed through to mplayer, so you can scale, fix aspect, dumpstream, etc.
22:07<jason>so you can browse through videos using mplayer too?
22:07<jason>google videos don't seem to be having a problem
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22:08<amphi>jason: you invoke the script with the youtube url, 'youtube.sh http://youtube.com/blah [optional mplayer args]'
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22:11<jason>well, try viewing that website... http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script
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22:11<amphi>heh
22:12<enouf>amphi: oh crap O_0
22:12<ajavid>amphi, yo
22:12<ajavid>enouf, sup
22:12<ajavid>what ya'll doin here on oftc
22:12<enouf>stoney?
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22:13<amphi>jason: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1357884
22:13<amphi>jason: that's my version, at least ;)
22:13<enouf>amphi: gracias
22:13<ajavid>youtube script alternative is youtube-dl
22:13<ajavid>hm
22:13<ajavid>I knew about youtube-dl before
22:13<amphi>pön?
22:13<ajavid>pon indeed
22:13<Silicium01>If I have shell script where each line takes few minutes to execute, will second line wait for first line to finish?
22:13<ajavid>amphi, I have yet to acquire a moron.
22:13<amphi>egad - you're incognito
22:14<ajavid>amphi, on the contrary
22:14<amphi>ajavid: not hard to come by ;)
22:14<jason>is there no addons that utilize a similar script for iceweasel?
22:14<goodger>Silicium01: yes, unless you put them on a single line with & between them
22:14<ajavid>amphi, for the first time ever using my real name :)
22:14<amphi>cool
22:14<Silicium01>goodger, thanks
22:14<ajavid>amphi, my goal is to setup ruby on rails on my apache server
22:15<ajavid>amphi, I want to get into ruby and use the rails framework
22:15<amphi>ror seems popular, I don't have any experience of it
22:15<ajavid>I think I'm 90% done so far, I also got asp.net/mod_mono2 setup on there as well, still etch
22:15<ajavid>just my personal development server (I hate developing on localhost
22:16<Silicium01>send mail usinf shell script
22:16<Silicium01>oops
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22:16<ajavid>amphi, are you a programmer?
22:16<ajavid>or networking guy?
22:16<ajavid>primarily I mean... I'm sure you're jack of a lot of trades, just curious
22:17<amphi>a little of both but not much of either ;)
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22:17<ajavid>heh
22:17<amphi>I try to learn something of Haskell ATM, thanks to xmonad
22:17<amphi>;)
22:17<ajavid>I see, and how is functional design working for you so far?
22:18<amphi>*snort* I'm still figuring out the syntax of the config file ;)
22:18<ajavid>heh
22:18<ajavid>have you looked into Lisp at all?
22:18<amphi>never mind the blody paradigms
22:18<amphi>*bloody
22:19<ajavid>what, no. Do mind them.
22:19*goodger also has no idea how functional programming is meant to work
22:19<amphi>ajavid: of course, in the fullness of time
22:19<ajavid>goodger, basically each component is broken out into individual functions which return some value, used by other functions
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22:19<enouf>ajavid: he makes a mean chile
22:19<amphi>ajavid: I messed about a little with scheme a while back
22:19<goodger>ajavid: that's procedural programming >.<
22:19<ajavid>goodger, seemingly
22:20<ajavid>goodger, hit wikipedia or something
22:20<enouf>and a lot of 'drill! baby drill!' (excuse my inexcusable subreferences please)
22:20<amphi>death to side effects!
22:20<ajavid>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_programming
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22:22<amphi>building webkit is going to melt my poor laptop
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22:22<goodger>ajavid: that gave me no idea of it, except that it implements something called the lambda calculus, which is not adequately explained; the only actual difference between haskell and python I have detected from code samples is a tendency for haskell's syntax to make my brain melt
22:22<ajavid>why are you building it
22:22<enouf>"functional programming" sounds very much like "feature rich new MS Windows"
22:22<amphi>goodger: heh
22:22<ajavid>goodger, then click the lambda calculus link...!
22:23<amphi>there used to be some LISP gang called the 'Knights of the Lambda Calculus' if I recall correctly
22:23<goodger>I clicked it, and I didn't understand it at all
22:23<ajavid>sounds like a personal problem to me ;)
22:23<goodger>I got the impression it meant "programming", but unfortunately I gave up studying mathematics last year
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22:25<ajavid>try making functional structures in visual basic !
22:25<ajavid>;)
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22:25<goodger>ugh
22:25<ajavid>that might help kill a few hours
22:25<goodger>VB :S
22:25<ajavid>and brain cells...
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22:30<ajavid>amphi, dpkg describes ruby as a messy unclean python
22:30<ajavid>heh
22:30<amphi>heh
22:30<amphi>no significant whitespace though, I think
22:30<amphi>perhaps that's what makes it 'messy' ;)
22:30<ajavid>maybe
22:31<ajavid>python is clean, though I don't mind/dislike {} blocks
22:31<jason>is there a better way to fix the choppiness of videos over the browser? lol
22:31<ajavid>jason, could be many reasons
22:31<ajavid>jason, are you swapping a lot? low memory, low cpu?
22:31<ajavid>jason, or is your internet connection really slow and you buffer a lot?
22:31<jason>no swapping, good memory, great cpu
22:32<jason>not buffering
22:32<amphi>ajavid: it's a recent intel card
22:32<ajavid>video play choppy on vesa
22:32<jason>the video stops audio continues
22:32<ajavid>hm
22:32<jason>I got 6GB of ram
22:32<amphi>4500 or whatever it's called
22:32<jason>nothing running on an Intel Core 2 Duo
22:32<jason>yeah
22:32<jason>the GMA X4500
22:32<amphi>too much ram probably, poor cpu can't find the data
22:32<jason>its an onboard chipset
22:32<ajavid>amd64 or x86
22:32<ajavid>?
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22:32<jason>x86
22:33<jason>i actually took out 2GB methinks
22:33<ajavid>jason, only in flash/browser or elsewhere as well?
22:33<jason>they are sitting here on my desk
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22:33<jason>haven't tested anywhere else just on youtube / google video
22:33<amphi>jason: did you fiddle with any of the other intel options?
22:33<jason>it does freeze really bad when i swap windows
22:33<jason>no I haven't
22:33<jason>any suggestions?
22:33<amphi>jason: poring over /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be informative
22:33<ajavid>jason, check .xsession-errors for any clues as well as the xorg. log file
22:33<jason>the window swapping is working nicely now though, and shit loads quicker
22:34<amphi>jason: so XAA helped somewhat?
22:34<jason>yes, with the window swapping choppiness
22:34<jason>also slightly improved the video quality
22:34<amphi>so it's just flash?
22:34<jason>perhaps? I haven't tested any local video
22:34<amphi>!blame adobe
22:34*dpkg blames suiside and adobe for all the evil in the world
22:34<ajavid>use youtube-dl, download the flash video, use mplayer
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22:35<amphi>ajavid: we've been through this ;)
22:35<ajavid>download a sample video from a porn site and play in mplayer
22:35<ajavid>ok
22:35*ajavid steppin off
22:35<jason>I'd rather have the video work well through my browser :-\
22:35<ajavid>amphi, hm, actually no you might have misundrestood me, I'm not telling him to use this as an alternative
22:35<ajavid>merely to test
22:36<ajavid>if it is flashplayer, or browser or system or what
22:36<amphi>ajavid: sure - he might already have something to test with ;)
22:36<ajavid>find out first if only browser video is bad or all video
22:36<abrotman>like the original choppy video ?
22:36<ajavid>lol
22:36<ajavid>well yeah if the original video is choppy then ...
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22:39<jason>how does the script work?
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22:46<Twister>Hey all, where can i find a list of packages per cd for lenny, i am trying to find what cd postfix is on
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22:50<abrotman>!tell Twister about cd contents
22:51<duraperidol>hello folks
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22:55<Athunye>Hello. I downloaded a kde iso cd, but I am not able to make aptitude use the cd as a source. Any idea ?
22:55<abrotman>use apt-cdrom
22:56<Athunye>OK Thanks.
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23:01<nsa_fiend>i started with etch and upgraded to lenny. afterwards, things like NVIDIA drivers and such balked about the current kernel not being compiled with the installed version of gcc. i'm assuning that if i upgraded to sid, then there would be a similar problem. is there a way to upgrade to the latest kernel without breaking compatibility based on gcc versions or will i always have to export gcc versions at runtime and keep the older version install
23:01<nsa_fiend>ed?
23:02<jason>no problems using the youtube script
23:02<jason>how can I fix the problems I'm having viewing SWF files through the browser?
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23:06<amphi>jason: phone adobe? ;)
23:06<amphi>evil blobbery
23:07<nsa_fiend>and after adding sid to my repos, i only notice 2.6.28-1-686. where would 2.6.28-7 be?
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23:08<nsa_fiend>or will i have to compile that from source?
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23:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 380] by debhelper
23:09<nsa_fiend>...
23:09<amphi>yes
23:09<nsa_fiend>yes from source?
23:10<amphi>yes
23:10<nsa_fiend>and did my first question make sense?
23:10<amphi>well, I don't know what miniscule version is in sid, to be honest
23:10<nsa_fiend>it made sense in my head...
23:10<amphi>28.2 works fine here
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23:11<nsa_fiend>so what happens with each increment? minor changes and revisions to improve the kernel?
23:11<amphi>I'm not sure - I roll my own kernels here
23:12<amphi>but I would presume so
23:12<gsimmons>tiaz: Drivers capable of AP (master mode) operation are listed at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers . Not mentioned is Madwifi, which is also capable.
23:12<Pitxyoki>nsa_fiend, normally the gcc version that was used to compile the kernel is available at the sources.
23:12<Pitxyoki>What you have to do is to export some environment variable (which I can't remember now which one it is) before compiling the module.
23:13<nsa_fiend>i was just remembering reading that phrase somewhere. what exactly do you mean?
23:13<nsa_fiend>CC=gcc<version>
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23:14<Pitxyoki>Yep.
23:14<Pitxyoki>That's it.
23:14<nsa_fiend>but the kernel is being compiled on my own machine so wouldn't it be the version that i have installed?
23:14<Pitxyoki>huh
23:14<vonsp>strange thing: after last upgrade on squeeze gnome no more starts with gnome-session, it is hangs up after changing xrootwin image
23:14<Pitxyoki>Did you compile your kernel?
23:15<vonsp>but with gdm it still works
23:15<nsa_fiend>what do you mean?
23:15<nsa_fiend>do you mean grab the tarball and do it manually?
23:15<Pitxyoki>...
23:15<Pitxyoki>No.
23:15<Pitxyoki>I mean: apt-cache search gcc
23:16<Pitxyoki>Then dpkg -l gcc
23:16<Pitxyoki>Then see which version of gcc you have installed.
23:16<nsa_fiend>then i don't know what that means
23:16<Pitxyoki>Then install the other version(s) available at the repositories.
23:16<Pitxyoki>then I'm sleepy.
23:16<Pitxyoki>:|
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23:16<nsa_fiend>i have 4.1 and 4.3 installed
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23:17<Pitxyoki>ah
23:17<Pitxyoki>That's better.
23:17<Pitxyoki>What does gcc --version say?
23:17<nsa_fiend>4.3.2
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23:18<nsa_fiend>but what do you mean compile my kernel?
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23:18<Pitxyoki>I didn't tell you to compile your kernel.
23:19<nsa_fiend>no
23:19<nsa_fiend>i'm asking you to define that term
23:19<nsa_fiend>if you don't mind
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23:20<tiaz>gsimmons: thanks.
23:20<Pitxyoki>What?
23:20<Pitxyoki>8|
23:20<Pitxyoki>Well...
23:20<Pitxyoki>To compile is to convert a program from it's source-code to machine-code.
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23:21<Pitxyoki>...to convert it from the text that the programmer(s) wrote to the code that a machine can understand and execute.
23:21<nsa_fiend>...yeah. i know that
23:21<Pitxyoki>...given that the kernel is the core of an operating system...
23:21<eleckttruss>who know a program like Chesse but made on QT liberys for kde
23:22<eleckttruss>?
23:22<Pitxyoki>If you compile your kernel with gcc version 4.1, you will have to compile all external modules that you may want to add to it later with the same version of gcc.
23:22<nsa_fiend>but specifically, does that involve grabbing the tarball and running menuconfig and such?
23:22<tiaz>it doesn't have to be menuconfig, but yes.
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23:23<rafael>legal
23:23<eleckttruss>how can i edit the grub2 ? i want to add vga=791
23:23<gsimmons>tiaz: The hostap and zd1201 drivers are also capable, but these are for older 802.11b devices.
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23:24<Pitxyoki>No.
23:24<Pitxyoki>To compile the nvidia module, you just have to do module-assistant auto-install nvidia-glx or something like that.
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23:25<Warp4>theres a wiki page on how to go about doing that
23:25<nsa_fiend>things like what?
23:26<Warp4>using newer nvidia drivers
23:26<tiaz>it says rt61pci supports AP mode but I can't seem to set that mode on this machine.
23:26<Pitxyoki>What are we talking about?
23:26<nsa_fiend>do you have old ones installed?
23:26<tiaz>shouldn't I be able to "iwconfig wlan0 mode master"?
23:26<gsimmons>tiaz: That's right. Which kernel are you using?
23:26<tiaz>if I try with wmaster0 I get 'operation not supported'.
23:26<tiaz>2.6.24-23 generic
23:26<Pitxyoki>I have the current nvidia module installed on a lenny machine and on another, squeeze machine.
23:26<tiaz>32-bit
23:26<nsa_fiend>Warp4: if you go over to irc.freenode.net there is an #nvidia channel
23:27<tiaz>strangely rt61pci and rt2x00pci are loaded
23:27<Warp4>nsa_fiend, yeah i know, ive got the drivers installed. was assuming someone else was having problems.
23:27<tiaz>I don't see rt2x00 on that list though
23:27<tiaz>the card is an RT2561/RT61
23:27<gsimmons>tiaz: You'll need to use the rt2x00 drivers from GIT. Not sure if master mode operation has made it into mainline yet.
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23:27<eljefe_>How can I fix my Kaffeine, I have an error "Can't init Video Driver 'xv' - trying 'auto'..."
23:27<tiaz>damn. okay, thank you.
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23:28<nsa_fiend>eljefe_: change which driver is being used
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23:45<eljefe_>nsa_fiend obviously that is an option. I would prefer to use xv however, as it sounds like it has low overhead
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23:52<tcsetattr>run "xvinfo" to see if XV is present
23:54<enouf>mplayer -vo xv ....
23:54<enouf>kaffy can suck my taffy
23:54<nsa_fiend>is it just this video you are watching or every one?
23:55<nsa_fiend>real men use mplayer
23:55<nsa_fiend>and vi
23:55*enouf waves the selinux manual and some TPMs around while nsa_fiend is present
23:56<enouf>;-)
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23:58<enouf>learning how gnome or kde works underneath is more akin to learning Redmond OS concepts than white is to rice
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