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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-12

---Logopened Thu Mar 12 00:00:49 2009
00:01<tcsetattr>and you're saying if you ifdwon eth2, then eth3 comes to life
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00:02<duder>ugh.. layer 1 issues now...
00:02<aetheria>i'm running fsck.ext2 on an external usb drive and getting this: "HTREE directory inode 6930433 has an invalid root node. Clear HTree index<y>?" Does anyone know if that will cause any damage?
00:03<duder>guess it would have been the equivelant
00:03<duder>i commented eth2 out and left only eth3
00:03<duder>restarted networking
00:03<duder>vice versa
00:04<duder>wow... now i can't even seem to get a link up
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00:04<duder>yeah, this is just going from bad to worse here
00:05<tcsetattr>eth2 and eth3 shouldn't be affecting each other that way. you got weird stuff going on
00:05<duder>yeah, i'm at a supreme loss right now
00:05<duder>i really appreciate your help on this
00:06<duder>i gotta hit the hay though. 0430 comes too damn early
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00:06<duder>i'll fight with it some more tomorrow, see if i can get something working out of it
00:06<ppooopr>duder
00:06<duder>yeah
00:07<ppooopr>can hackers take advantage of gksudo
00:07<duder>i never really much cared for sudo in any sort tbh
00:07<ppooopr>i meant nautilus gksu
00:07<duder>and i really don't care for ubuntu's over-zealous use of it at all
00:08<ppooopr>why?
00:08<duder>in answer to your question: hell, i dunno, maybe, just as any ****heads could with any other system app you're running
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00:09<duder>dis-allow remote root logins
00:09<duder>now, they've gotta figure out 2 passwords
00:09<duder>or get a local root exploit
00:09<duder>sudo, they only need 1, or that same local root exploit
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00:10<duder>but yeah, i'm off to bed
00:11<ppooopr>thanks an oodle
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00:15<blackdragon42>Hello everyone.
00:17<blackdragon42>How is everyone?
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00:18<blackdragon42>Pretty quiet in here today...
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00:19<Supaplex>should we all answer at once?
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00:20<blackdragon42>Wouldn't want to overload the server...
00:20<blackdragon42>Ha ha ha.
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00:27<snogglethorpe>quick, someone mention ubuntu!
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00:28<lainox>:)
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00:30<blackdragon42>Oh please do!
00:31<lainox>Hello
00:31<famelix>ola
00:31<Supaplex>and then dpkg can tell us all about it.
00:31<blackdragon42>Hello.
00:31<lainox>Hola
00:31<famelix>alguem fala portugues ?
00:31<blackdragon42>Sorry, no.
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00:31<lainox>:( no sorry
00:32<famelix>mas como vcs estam entendendo ?
00:32<lainox>xD
00:32<Supaplex>!es
00:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:32<lainox>No le entiendo
00:32<famelix>www.famelix.com.br
00:32<famelix>www.brlix.com.br
00:33<famelix>quero instalar o virtualbox
00:33<famelix>alguem pode me dar uma ajda ????
00:33<Supaplex>!br
00:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:33<Supaplex>silly me :)
00:33<lainox>http://www.esdebian.org/articulos/24005/instalar-configurar-virtualbox
00:33<famelix>sim
00:34<famelix>ptbr
00:34<lainox>Hi, blackdragon42!
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00:35<lainox>Hi, scientes !
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00:36<scientes>hi
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00:36<blackdragon42>There's an idea... Write an IRC client or script that can read the system locale and help direct international users to the proper rooms.
00:36<lainox>hru ?
00:36<scientes>my X crashed cause of binary rappy drivers :(
00:36<blackdragon42>Not to offend any international users...
00:37<lainox>Wow, fatal scientes !
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00:37<scientes>blackdragon42, doesnt ahve to be instaled on their machine
00:37<scientes>you could detect the language by the words
00:38<blackdragon42>Or do both! Redundant checking.
00:38<lainox>:O
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00:39<blackdragon42>There are a lot of #debian-xx rooms for international languages.
00:39<lainox>is this script?
00:39<blackdragon42>Me?
00:39<lainox>yes
00:40<blackdragon42>No. Just brainstorming. Thought it would be a good idea.
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00:40<lainox>There is a client that language translator?
00:40<blackdragon42>Might be helpful to others.
00:40<blackdragon42>Not as far as I know, but that would be nice.
00:41<lainox>fantastic !
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00:41<scientes>but noone is talking here so does it really matter if you have to direct them?
00:41<lainox>A good idea!
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00:42<Supaplex>bleh.
00:42<blackdragon42>I'm sure some programmers could create it. That's what Debian is for, right?
00:42<lainox>A kind of bot that can translate languages
00:42<scientes>then do it
00:43<scientes>but you talking here is as much effort as it is to direct them
00:43<Supaplex>I guess it's time to upgrade my desktop to lenny. :p old kernel isn't seeing my camcorder. other laptop sees it fine, but the screen is ultra tiny. hummm ssh -X ftw. :p
00:43<scientes>argg stuck keys, how can i figure out what is stuck?
00:43<lainox>squeeze
00:43<lainox>:D
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00:44<blackdragon42>LOL
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00:45<famelix>alguem sabe falae se o Debian leny é bom ?????
00:47<lainox>blackdragon42, old years is 42?
00:47<blackdragon42>???
00:47<lainox>ehat
00:47<blackdragon42>What you say!!
00:47<lainox>How old are you?
00:48<enouf>2.5
00:48<famelix>eu ?
00:48<famelix>im ?
00:48<Supaplex>3.14159
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00:48*enouf is old as dirt
00:48<lainox>:O
00:49<enouf>yes, that's even before dinos
00:49<Supaplex>only my mass is as old as dirt.
00:49<enouf>anybody with a Debian related question?
00:49<slippyc>hi there
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00:50<slippyc>Can someone help me out with file permissions - i am looking for the command
00:50<famelix>oi
00:50<slippyc>hi , can someone help me with directory permissions - I do know how to use chmod and chown in simple manner - I already created a group in ubuntu and put user names in it. I am trying to create a directory in which all the users can access and write files to each other, so pretty much means everyone associated with group can modify each others file. But when a new user creates a new file or directory - I want the permissions to come
00:50<slippyc> automatic which are only specified to that particular directory
00:50<enouf>Supaplex: no, your mass is as old as stardus
00:50<enouf>+t
00:50<famelix_>hola alguien en espanol
00:50<slippyc>chmod g+t
00:50<Supaplex>yeah well.
00:50<slippyc>is that it?
00:50<lainox>Hola famelix que necesitas_
00:50<lainox>?
00:50<slippyc>then what is +s for?
00:51<famelix_>estoy probando la nueva distro de famelix
00:51<enouf>lainox: please try to keep it on-topic - thanks
00:51<famelix>quero saber se o Debian é bom ??
00:51<enouf>please speak english here only - thanks
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00:51<famelix>eu ?
00:51<maiky>como puedo hacer para instalar un programa en linux............
00:51<lainox>enouf, bad!
00:52<maiky>bajo el repositorio y de ahi que__
00:52<enouf>!smite me
00:52*dpkg smites enouf with a plague of characters from an unknown locale
00:52<blackdragon42>+s is to set user or group ID on execution.
00:52<blackdragon42>man chmod
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00:53<lainox>Hispanic speakers please scoot
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00:53<enouf>please /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg br
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00:53<famelix__>onde eu acho Drives sis para placa de video ???
00:54<enouf>slippyc: you might want ACLs
00:54<blackdragon42>That may be easier for you to administer.
00:54<enouf>see getfacl ; setfacl
00:54<maiky>what the meaning scoot?
00:55<enouf>slippyc: wait .. a "new user" .. it depends on how they are authenticated
00:55<maiky>hola
00:55<slippyc>i am just trying to create one directory
00:55<enouf>slippyc: see /etc/default/useradd and man pages (even adduser)
00:55<slippyc>in which certain users can modify all the files in it
00:55<slippyc>that is it
00:55<slippyc>and tied to a specific group in the system
00:56<enouf>slippyc: no LDAP?
00:56<slippyc>no LDAP - thats too much for a 3 user system
00:57<slippyc>i need the files to be in 775 created in that directory
00:57<slippyc>and I can't get automatic 775 file permissions within that directory when a file is created by the user
00:57<enouf>slippyc: might as well look at /msg dpkg groups (too)
00:57<enouf>slippyc: the Parent dir dictates perms
00:57<blackdragon42>And everyone is in the same group?
00:58<slippyc>yep
00:58<slippyc>i created a group called forexample currentgroup
00:58<slippyc>userA and userB are part of currentgroup
00:58<enouf>slippyc: which dir? is it /tmp?
00:58<enouf>slippyc: /tmp is default set to 1777
00:58<slippyc>i created a directory with permissions userA.currentgroup
00:58<slippyc>but I want userA and userB to create files - that happens file
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00:59<slippyc>but file created by userA can't be edited by userB - but userB can read it
00:59<slippyc>in that directory
00:59<slippyc>what is 1777 what is the 1 bit? added
00:59<blackdragon42>sticky bit.
01:00<Supaplex>but, is it in sticky rice? ;)
01:00<slippyc>do i do chmod g+s or g+t to that directory?
01:00<blackdragon42>No.
01:00<enouf>slippyc: i'm sorry - i'm a bit unfocused atm - and i'm not sure - but i gave some possible leads - see http://wiki.kaspersandberg.com/doku.php?id=howtos:acl
01:00<slippyc>enouf: thanks
01:00<enouf>!permissions
01:00<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232>
01:00<Supaplex>acls for fun and profit. makes troubleshooting so interesting :)
01:01<enouf>Supaplex: likely one of the best things mpoop promoted for GNU
01:01<slippyc>permissions is such a tricky thing
01:01<blackdragon42>Setting custom permissions are so much fun...
01:01<enouf>blackdragon42: and staying on top of them .. funner :-p
01:01<slippyc>haha - it drives me nuts when configuring specific permissions
01:02<blackdragon42>One reason why Wingdows (TM) users won't touch Linux...
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01:02<kop>Duh. I finally get it. Rrdtool won't report on primary data points. If you want that, you make an rrd that stores the primary data points themselves for the interval you desire.
01:02<enouf>!UAC
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01:02<blackdragon42>It might make them think and their heads explode.
01:03<enouf>heh ... blista's answer to xpoop vulns
01:03<slippyc>heh
01:03<slippyc>that is true
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01:03<slippyc>but figuring something out like this is very tiring
01:03<kop>Where would I get docs on the python-rrd package. It does not seem to come with any. (I'm still running etch.) Should I just get the source dpkg and read the code?
01:04<slippyc>i can't specific examples on google on this - that is what sucks
01:04<blackdragon42>Well, it's keeping track of directories that can be tiring.
01:04<slippyc>true
01:04<enouf>"Feature rich in popup dialogs in what you are not allowed to do -- please answer each and every one ... and accept out response without any possible redress"
01:04<enouf>s/out/our/
01:04<slippyc>blackdragon42: how does this work - i just created a directory chown groupname.groupname directory
01:05<kop>slippyc : You should read the basic guide book. (I've not watched the converstaion, but...)
01:05<blackdragon42>But it's that intelligence that keeps us ahead of others.
01:05<slippyc>how does that work -
01:05<kop>They are found at:
01:05<kop>!tell slippyc -about grounding
01:05<slippyc>haha
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01:05<aetheria>i'm running fsck.ext2 on an external usb drive and getting this: "HTREE directory inode 6930433 has an invalid root node. Clear HTree index<y>?" Does anyone know if that will cause any damage?
01:05<kop>blackdragon42 : Not true. There are now more of us, but that's also not as important as focusing on quality rather than marketing.
01:06<enouf>aetheria: it surely can
01:06<slippyc>kop: believe me I am quite good with linux but this issue is a dozy...i will get the solution for it shortly though
01:06<aetheria>enouf: eww. yikes.
01:06<enouf>aetheria: where's the journal? no ext3?
01:07<blackdragon42>I'm not saying that. Just that some systems have gone too far in automating just about everything.
01:07<aetheria>any suggestion as to how to proceed? its an ext3 that was mounted as ext2. it was cleanly unmounted.
01:07<kop>aetheria : I've never found it worth spending the time it would take to _ensure_ that nothing is lost. You need to take your lumps and move forward. That's what backups are for.
01:07<blackdragon42>You never can really learn how a system works,
01:07<kop>aetheria : There's also lost+found, but trolling through it could be painful.
01:07<blackdragon42>"The Way of the Hacker".
01:08<enouf>aetheria: you a) likely mounted it incorrectly (if it was orig ext3) and b) stop .. rethink strategy
01:08<kop>aetheria : If you're super-cautious, you dd the partition somewhere and save it so you _can_ go back and dig through what you've got now if necessary.
01:08<kop>aetheria, enouf : enouf is right. Step 1. Don't panic.
01:09<aetheria>fwiw the only real info i could find on this was http://www.linux-archive.org/ext3-users/148645-problem-htree-directory-node.html but this info is when it is not the root inode
01:09<enouf>aetheria: to mount it as ext2 properly, IINM, you must 1st use tune2fs to remove the journal .. or similar
01:09<aetheria>he states that its safe to say yes because it just rebuilds it
01:10<kop>aetheria : (See http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mung#Verb for why you should not panic.)
01:10<enouf>!undelete
01:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
01:10<slippyc>okay this what I got
01:11<aetheria>esentially there is no documentation about what this exactly means or what the implications of saying y are
01:11<slippyc>by doing chmod g+s to the directory - the files are created with username.selectedgroup
01:11<slippyc>but the permissions are still 644
01:11<enouf>aetheria: gddrescue is a debian app you must have
01:11<slippyc>I need the permissions to be 775 inside that directory
01:11<slippyc>i got the group thing down
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01:11<blackdragon42>Try reading man chmod.
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01:11<enouf>!tell slippyc -about umask
01:11<scientes>thats why im excited about CoW
01:12<scientes>get some undelete powers
01:12<slippyc>yes i wanted to ask about umask
01:12<Supaplex>let's go CoW tipping!
01:12<slippyc>can i make umask work within the directory only
01:12<kop>aetheria : Technically, that's not true. The ext series of filesystems are old and well documented. The trick is in finding and reading what you want. Ultimately, code is king.
01:12<slippyc>i really never worked with umask
01:12<enouf>help umask
01:12<aetheria>yeah, i'm not reading source code to find out what the output of an app is.
01:13<slippyc>i mean umask does default settings
01:13<slippyc>i don't want to change my system defaults
01:13<kop>aetheria : The real trick is understanding what you read. Filesystem design is not simple, especially when it comes to things going wrong.
01:13<enouf>defaults are likely in /etc/profile .. but ~/.bash* can override
01:13<aetheria>basically i want to know what saying yes to "Clear HTree index" will do in human terms
01:13<slippyc>hmm
01:14<enouf>0777 for dirs and 0666 for files ... PRIOR to any umask'
01:14<enouf>!fhs
01:14<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
01:14<kop>aetheria : It's a speciality, to the point of having a vocabulary and diving in and figuring it out is not undertaken lightly. I would not swear that there's a book on ext internals, but I'd bet on it.
01:15<blackdragon42>Someone must have wrote it...
01:15<enouf>slippyc: learn find and grep ;-)
01:15<Ikarus>kop: there are atleast very in depth articles
01:16<kop>aetheria : Dunno what an Htree is. I'd guess it's a hashed tree and that you could lose whole directories.... But that's a guess. If you really want to know then you gotta know what an htree is and how ext* uses it.
01:16<slippyc>enouf: heh - i am doing everything chmod right now
01:16<Ikarus>kop: ext/2 is still the example of a well constructed classic filesystem
01:16<slippyc>i almost got it - i will post the solution - i have 50% working just the write access part I am figuring out
01:16<kop>Ikarus : And probably some conference presentations recorded too.
01:16<enouf>slippyc: /etc/login.defs and /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/pam.d/* can be quite influential
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01:17<slippyc>enouf: i want to see if i can avoid editing those files
01:18<enouf>slippyc: that's where find and grep come in handy
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01:19<lainox>I need help for configured my laptop Dell XPS M153, a problem of touchpad ! help me please.
01:19<enouf>slippyc: again though ... i'm not entirely focused - so forgive all my subrefs
01:19<lili>any body install Xen 3.1 on debian ??
01:19<slippyc>enouf: its all good
01:19<kop>!ask
01:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
01:20<famelix__>www.brlix.com.br
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01:20<blackdragon42>I found a book on the Ext filesystem...
01:21<kop>lainox : The place to start is probably by looking at
01:21<kop>Reformatting rrdgraph(1), please wait...
01:21<famelix__>nyw linux
01:21<kop>oops. .. at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
01:21<famelix__>www.brlix.com.br
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01:21<aetheria>well here's another thread that throws some light on it: http://www.backupcentral.com/phpBB2/two-way-mirrors-of-external-mailing-lists-3/backuppc-21/fsck-of-var-lib-backuppc-92457/ the comment "I can confirm that. It's not actually "replaced" for existing files..." seems to be relevant
01:21<blackdragon42>Never mind, it's not usable.
01:21<kop>!tell lainox -about paste
01:21<blackdragon42>Sorry.
01:22<kop>If you can't interpret anything you see there paste it somewhere and ask people here to take a look.
01:22<famelix__>http://famelix.com.br/web/ olinux
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01:22<famelix__>brasil
01:22-!-jcwu [~jcwu@220-132-178-149.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
01:22<famelix__>llinux con visual de vista http://famelix.com.br/web/
01:22<kop>!tell famelix__ -about br
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01:23<lainox>thanks, kop
01:23<famelix__>8353-1335
01:24<famelix__>alguem conhece esse linux que possa me dar uma ajuda help ???
01:24<famelix__>http://famelix.com.br/web/
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01:28<blackdragon42>.
01:29<aetheria>hmm, stat on that inode gives "Inode: 6930433 Type: directory Mode: 0770"
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01:29<aetheria>Links: 41 Blockcount: 24
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01:30<aetheria>i also get the ctime, mtime, and atime. maybe i can just mount the volume and do a find for those times to see what directory it is
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01:30<blackdragon42>I'll be right back.
01:31<bgupta>Hi guys.. I am currently running Debian 4.0, and the version of Xen is really old (3.0.3). I'm curious what version is included in Lenny?
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01:31<bgupta>nvm looks like 3.2.1
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01:33<aetheria>hmm, i can see how to find stuff with a time n days ago, but how do i find it with an exact m|c|atime which I know?
01:34<aetheria>i'm looking for a dir that is 0770 with mtime Sat Jan 17 19:11:38
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01:35<aetheria>then i can copy it somewhere, rerun fsck.ext2, say y to the question and see what happens
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01:53<blackdragon42>I'm back.
01:53<Supaplex>HIDE!
01:53<Supaplex>oops. did that come out loud? ;)
01:54<blackdragon42>:(
01:54<Supaplex>I'm just trying to be funny because there's nothing else to do
01:54<blackdragon42>I know.
01:55<blackdragon42>I just had a long day, that's all.
01:56<Supaplex>wow. longer than 1440 minutes?
01:56<Supaplex>dpkg: 24*60
01:56<dpkg>1440
01:56<blackdragon42>LOL
01:57<blackdragon42>86,401 seconds...
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01:57<Supaplex>dpkg: 1440*60
01:57<dpkg>86400
01:58<Supaplex>just a leap second eh? :)
01:58<blackdragon42>Nope, just a regular second over.
01:58<Supaplex>I know what you mean tho. I hope I sleep well.
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01:59<blackdragon42>I have insomnia most of the time, so I'm usually hacking away at my computer all night.
02:00<blackdragon42>At least I attempt to get something productive done.
02:01<blackdragon42>Maybe I'll look at the kernel tonight...
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02:02<blackdragon42>Just for something to do.
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02:09<blackdragon42>Quiet...
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02:12<blackdragon42>Hello.
02:12<jwillis>hello, i haven't been able to log into kubuntu can someone help?
02:13<blackdragon42>What's the problem?
02:14<jwillis>When I try to log in to KDE 4.1 it displays most of the splash screen but then takes me back to the login window
02:15<jm_>!tell jwillis -about ubuntu
02:15<jwillis>You know when its loading and the different icons come into focus?
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02:15<blackdragon42>Yes.
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02:17<blackdragon42>Have you tried logging in as root and as a user?
02:17<jwillis>I don't know how
02:18<blackdragon42>Live CD?
02:19<jwillis>No, I installed Ubuntu and then installed Kubuntu through synaptic
02:20<blackdragon42>Are there any error messages on the second console?
02:21<jwillis>No, no error message, but I'm not sure what you mean by the second console
02:22<blackdragon42>When running X, during startup, press Ctrl+Alt+F2 to see the second console.
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02:23<jwillis>Okay I'll try that. Thank you very much for your help!
02:23<blackdragon42>Or open /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see any messages.
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02:24<jwillis>Okay
02:24<blackdragon42>That should help find your problem.
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02:25<jwillis>Okay Thanks!
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02:25<Supaplex>jwillis: there are subtle differences between ubuntu and debian. please see what dpkg said about ubuntu. We don't want to provide inaccurate help, if something might cause a bigger problem etc.
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02:26<blackdragon42>Check to be sure, but a logfile should tell what's going on.
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02:34<revertTS>the partitioner defaulted to a 255mb boot partition, which seems excessive since I usually use a 64mb one; I'm installing with Luks/dmcrypt/LVM though, would this necessitate that much extra space?
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03:23<twb>I have an SSH VPN called "tun0" that runs on top of the eth0 interface.
03:23<twb>Is it a reasonable approach to have "pre-down ifdown tun0" and "post-up ifup tun0" in my eth0 definition?
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03:23<twb>Just putting "auto eth0 tun0" doesn't work because sometimes tun0 tries to start before eth0 is ready for it
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03:28<lainox>8342 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1665.051 FPS with glxgears, nvidia 8600 GT is normal ?
03:29<twb>!glxgears
03:29<dpkg>from memory, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package.
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03:40<lainox>:) 28187 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5637.396 FPS
03:41<scientes_>wat glxgears?
03:41<lainox>yes
03:42<scientes_>im a good guesser
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03:44<lainox>before 1665.051 FPS nvidia 8600GT , after 5637.396 FPS , the problem was my xorg configuration
03:47<twb>!tell lainox -about glxgears
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04:57<Kemikals>hi
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04:58<Kemikals>im trying to build an ircd with openssl support, used apt-get to install openssl package but the ircd can't find the openssl libraries and neither can i
04:58<jm_>you need openssl devel packages
04:58<Kemikals>ok
04:58<Kemikals>openssldevel?
04:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 381] by debhelper
04:59<jm_>where did you find such a package?
04:59<Kemikals>guessing ;p just coming from freebsd
04:59<Kemikals>used to make search name="openssl"
04:59<Kemikals>have no clue where to look lol
04:59<jm_>no, apt-cache search openssl devel
04:59<Kemikals>thanks :)
04:59<jm_>it should be obvious which one to install
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05:00<jm_>but why are you not using IRC servers packaged by Debian?
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05:01<dondelelcaro>(why are you running an IRC server at all? ;-))
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05:02<Kemikals>thanks ;p
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05:03<student>hi all....I included unstable debian sources in apt source list ...now when i do a apt-get autoremove it unistalls complete gnome ...desktop ....Also there are many dependency issues now....Is there a possible way for me to revert to stable or testing version ....thanks
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05:06<phorce1>student: yes, it is possible --- reformat and reinstall
05:08<student>Is it possible without a cd rom ...off the internet ?please advise
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05:08<petern>did you actually upgrade or just include unstable sources in apt's source list?
05:08<jm_>you can always downgrade it all manually, but it's not trivial
05:08<student>i actually upgraded ......
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05:10<phorce1>student: I have never done a pure net install. I have no idea how.
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05:12<student>thanks for all inputs....will come back soon :-)
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05:27<ml>does anybody here use ssl to connect here?
05:27<weasel>many.
05:27<ml>is it worth it?
05:29<tiaz>that depends.
05:29<weasel>moo.
05:29<ml>on
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05:29<cahoot>if you really really want your convos with dpkg be safe - yes
05:32<ml>cahoot: what do you mean?
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05:35<tiaz>ml: ssl encrypts the conversation between you and the server
05:35<tiaz>therefore, it protects you from people between you and the server listening in
05:35<tiaz>if that's important to you, it is worth it
05:37<ml>tiaz: that would be good on private msgs and only if both prties have it correct
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05:37<ml>parties
05:37<tiaz>then you are protected from people listening in between your friend and the server
05:38<ml>i mean everybody here can see what you say in here
05:38<tiaz>yes
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05:38<tiaz>I don't know if information passed between nodes in an irc network like efnet is encrypted
05:40<ml>i think i'm going to set it up, it can't hurt :)
05:40<tiaz>true
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05:45<dave113>!which repo
05:45<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory
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05:47<alumno>hi
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05:48<alumno>miky????
05:48<alumno>tio, me aburro
05:48<alumno_>eres mazo de gay
05:48<ml>lol
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05:49<alumno>ola rei
05:49<alumno_>gays
05:49<alumno__>ijos d puta
05:49<alumno_>gays
05:49<alumno_>julays
05:49<alumno>tu padre
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05:50<alfa>hi, i need a little help, could u help me install a proper torrent client pls, i've used so far the "gnome bittorent" but it's useless
05:50<alumno>amos primoooooooooo
05:50-!-Moky [~alumno@39.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
05:50<Moky>gays
05:50<jm_>install rtorrent
05:50<Moky>homosexuales
05:50-!-rocco [~alumno@39.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
05:50<rocco>hola?
05:50<ml>alfa rtorrent :)
05:50<alfa>rtnx .. i'll try
05:50-!-alumno [~alumno@39.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
05:50<Moky>gentuza
05:50<Moky>pene flacido
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05:50-!-vale [~alumno@39.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
05:50<Gay_anonimo>k gays
05:50-!-goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
05:50<rocco>pero k dices
05:50-!-Roca [~alumno@39.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
05:50<vale>warros
05:50<Moky>mooooza
05:50<Gay_anonimo>zaca zaca
05:50<Roca>gilipoyaaaaas
05:51<Moky>pata liebreeeeeeeee
05:51<Roca>jajajajajja
05:51<rocco>hola soy roocco sifredi
05:51<Gay_anonimo>uyuyuyuyuy
05:51<Roca>qien es eseeeE??
05:51<Moky>cigüeña toooooooonta
05:51<vale>el roca wele a pene d gato
05:51<jm_>wasn't it nice when rima retards were banned?
05:51<rocco>el actor porno
05:51<Gay_anonimo>kien va a ser
05:51<rocco>24 cm
05:51<Roca>A MIIII NO ME TRAJOP LA CIGUEÑAAA!!
05:51<Moky>fabio=gay
05:51<Gay_anonimo>exacto
05:51<vale>moky=gay
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05:51<Moky>el mono y la mono
05:51<ml>!es
05:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:51<Moky>el mono y la mona
05:51<Moky>producen monitos
05:51<Moky>!!!
05:51<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
05:51<vale>chupadme todos la pollaaaaaa!!!
05:51<rocco>me voi a kagar astra en vuestra puta madre
05:51<Moky>sampayo
05:51<Moky>gay
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05:51<Moky>penjes flacidos
05:52<Fabio>k no os vea luis
05:52<Roca>me cago en tu boca abierta vale!!!
05:52<Fabio>caxo de gays
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05:52<rocco>maricas
05:52<ml>umm wtf
05:52<craigevil>jesus enough with the "gay" already
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05:52<rocco>tumare
05:52<Fabio>kien lo a esccrito??
05:52<rocco>kien es ese??
05:52<rocco>maricas
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05:52<rocco>homosexuales
05:52<Fabio>soys todos unos gays
05:52<alumno>me la xpas¿
05:52<rocco>javiii
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05:53<rocco>k pasa homosexualll
05:53<Fabio>tu, alumno cambiate el nick
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05:53<lapiedra>mmmm
05:53<lapiedra>pekeños
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05:53<lapiedra>kereis disfrutar
05:53<lapiedra>?
05:53<FabioGay>sip
05:53<FabioGay>ahora
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05:53<lapiedra>paso de tu roollo
05:53<Fabio>miky gay de mierda
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05:53<tu>me kago en tos vosotros
05:53<rocco>el alex kiere rollo
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05:53<alfa>i installed rtorrent, how do i get to open the torrent files from websites with it
05:53<rocco>cn un hombre
05:53<tu>tu puta madre
05:53<alfa>?
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05:53<rocco>callate luis
05:54<jm_>man rtorrent lists the keys etc.
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05:54<alfa>i can use it only in console ? or what ?
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05:54<ml>alfa: here is a good guide:
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05:55<jm_>no, it requires a tty
05:55<ml>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/howto-use-rtorrent-like-a-pro/
05:55<anonimo>xarly s gay
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05:55<rocco>y el alex tambien
05:55<craigevil>alfa: you might try deluge or ktorrent if you dont mind using kde apps
05:55<anonimo>sip
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05:55<Moky_Gay>k gays os a pillado
05:55<anonimo>jajajajaj
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05:55<alfa>tnx guys
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05:55<rocco>k cansinooo
05:55<Moky_Gay>k xabalers
05:55<alumno_>k
05:55<pata_liebreeeee>mooooza
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05:56<anonimo>panda de omosexualeees
05:56<ml>alfa: http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentUserGuide
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05:56<anonimo>no hableis en alto q nos cazaa
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05:56<pata_liebreeeee>moza
05:56<Moky_Gay>k feos sois
05:56<rocco>me piro
05:56<pata_liebreeeee>puto fabio
05:56<pata_liebreeeee>kambiate el nick
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05:56<Moky_Gay>jajaj
05:56<Moky_Gay>donde las dan las toman
05:56<pata_liebreeeee>te rompo el cubo
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05:56<pata_liebreeeee>hay las toma
05:57<anonimo>fabio la tiene pekeña
05:57<pata_liebreeeee>xd
05:57<pata_liebreeeee>muy pekeña
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05:57<Moky_Gay>calla roka
05:57-!-anonimox [~alumno@39.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
05:57<anonimo>valla
05:57<anonimox>ola?
05:57<Moky_Gay>kien eresx??
05:57<anonimo>ola primo
05:57<pata_liebreeeee>teng el pene como el morro de una limusinaaaaaaaa
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05:57<anonimox>el pene de moky
05:57<anonimo>es muuyyyyy pekeño
05:57<pata_liebreeeee>javier chamorro =
05:57<pata_liebreeeee>having tomorrow
05:57<Moky_Gay> k marikas soy
05:57<Moky_Gay>ss
05:57<Moky_Gay>soys
05:57<pata_liebreeeee>hablo
05:57<anonimo>moky es un maricon de mierda
05:57<anonimox>oye moky xq eres tan warro?¿
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05:57<Moky_Gay>jajaja
05:57<anonimo>analfabeto
05:58<anonimo>pata chula
05:58<Moky_Gay>me piro a poner windoes
05:58<craigevil>english please :)
05:58<pata_liebreeeee>el fabio se pone gay en el nick a ver si liga
05:58<Moky_Gay>ese sistema de mierda
05:58<craigevil>!debian-es
05:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:58<pata_liebreeeee>english?
05:58<Moky_Gay>zaca zaca
05:58<Moky_Gay>soy moky
05:58<pata_liebreeeee>gilipoyas
05:58<Moky_Gay> y necesito
05:58<pata_liebreeeee>tu english de mierda
05:58<Moky_Gay>cañña
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05:58<pata_liebreeeee>payaso
05:58<Moky_Gay>o si jesus
05:58<Moky_Gay>jajajaj
05:58<Moky_Gay>me pones mazo
05:58<pata_liebreeeee>tronk0o fabio eres mazo tontop
05:58<Moky_Gay>ja-ja
05:58<zektor>todos vayance a la verga y me chupan el pito
05:58<Moky_Gay>y tu gay
05:58<ml>!es
05:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:58<craigevil>!ops pata_liebreeeee Moky_Gay
05:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: pata_liebreeeee Moky_Gay
05:59<pata_liebreeeee>loko
05:59<pata_liebreeeee>pene flacido
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05:59<pata_liebreeeee>fabio homosexual
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05:59<Moky_Gay>cuidado
05:59<Moky_Gay>moky tes ta viendo luis
05:59<Moky_Gay>k priungao
05:59<Moky_Gay>ta pillao
05:59<pata_liebreeeee>fabio ke hacias ayer penetrando a un peluche
05:59<pata_liebreeeee>¿?
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05:59<Moky_Gay>tu madre no es un peluxe
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06:03<idefix>lo everybody
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06:03<idefix>i got a little problem with a remote desktop box and a wifi-authentication
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06:04<iobound>hi, does anyone know why arm hasn't got the curl security fix yet?
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06:05<idefix>i got the wifi-connection work and all seems to be pretty but i want this pc as remote box in intranet but the network-manager wont connect till the password for keyring was entered!
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06:05<idefix>how can i disable the keyring password?
06:05<idefix>so that after boot of pc the wifi connects automaticly
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06:07<ml>idefix: have you tried removing it
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06:07<idefix442>ml: how?
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06:08<cahoot>idefix442: skipping n-m totally isn't an option?
06:09<idefix442>what ist skipping n-m
06:09<cahoot>get rid of networkmanager isn't an option?
06:10<idefix442>cahoot, id never used wifi without n-m!
06:10<idefix442>with wpa encryption
06:11<cahoot>ok
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06:12<ml>idefix442: defual.keyring rename it or move it just to be safe then if it works delete it
06:12<ml>*default.keyring
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06:13<idefix442>where it is located?
06:13<ml>~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring
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06:14<idefix442>there is only a login.keyring
06:15<ml>logout and back in then try it, but might need a reboot
06:15<ml>idefix442: then I don't know
06:15<ml>you should have default
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06:17<ml>idefix442: try it with that one, but i'm sure what would happen, I don't use them anymore
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06:21<prem>hi.,
06:22<prem>is there any nautilus plugin that will display the document info., when i hover my mouse over the document..?
06:22<prem>its available in kde by default..what about gnome nautilus..?
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07:08<hjb>Hi. Shouldn't removing or purging a package stop the contained service?
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07:09<hjb>I yesterday removed the bind package from my server and found a running named this morning
07:09<jm_>typically it does
07:10<hjb>jm_ that's my experience, too. I can't remember any other package where this happend
07:12<jm_>hjb: check the path to running process, find out which paxkage it's in
07:15<hjb>jm_ the path is /usr/sbin/named which is in package bind9
07:16<jm_>hjb: and that's the one you uninstalled?
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07:16<hjb>jm_ yes
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07:17<hjb>jm_ hmm i'll try to install/uninstall again. maybe there's some warning message i've missed
07:17<jm_>hjb: interesting, it has no pre-rm script
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07:20<hjb>jm_ and it even fails to remove it's state directory because the running named process created it's pid file in there :-|
07:20<hjb>(when removing)
07:20<themill>!dbugs 497959
07:20<jm_>hjb: yeah, trying to check BTS but can't reach it now
07:20<dpkg>#497959:I[bind9] bind9: does not purge cleanly (); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:21:02 UTC []
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07:20<jm_>themill wins ;)
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07:20<hjb>themill :-)
07:20<hjb>nice
07:21<jm_>wow so old and so simple to fix, but left alone
07:22<hjb>and no answer of maintainer yet
07:23<hjb>I guess people using bind9 are expected to know what they are doing and ready to fix the situation by themself ;)
07:23<petern>it's bind, people expect bugs :D
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07:25<Guest740>hello
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07:27<themill>I guess bind isn't the sort of package you ever remove too.
07:27<jm_>heh
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07:32<alfa>what is the command for deleting ?
07:33<jm_>deleting what?
07:33<alfa>a dir
07:33<ffws>rm -r
07:33<alfa>i made it in su mode
07:33<alfa>k
07:33<alfa>tnx
07:33<jm_>rmdir, rm - read some newbie docs (/msg dpkg grounding)
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07:34<FoxBG>anybody can tell me how version of nvidia driver i must install ?
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07:34<jm_>no not anybody can
07:34<FoxBG>ftom official site or any mirror of debian
07:34<FoxBG>?
07:34<jm_>!tell FoxBG -about nvidia
07:34<jm_>go to the wiki page and do it that way
07:34<alfa>tnx done it
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07:35<FoxBG>thanks
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07:39<jrodger>is there a way to assign one of the X windows to console?
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07:41<cahoot>jrodger: what do you mean?
07:41<edsonmarquezani>hello... can somebody help me with a nvidia module patch applying ?
07:41<jrodger>I have four virtual windows and I would like to assign one to a terminal window for command line stuff
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07:43<jrodger>sorry, I meant virtual desktops
07:44<cahoot>jrodger: if you use gnome you could save the setup as a session that will be restored
07:44<jrodger>I am using lxde....
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07:44<cahoot>probably doable there too - I've no clue how to though
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07:52<edsonmarquezani>hello... can somebody help me with a nvidia module patch applying ?
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08:15<Imdsm>hi guys, i'm having a bit of trouble with ACPI on my laptop, if i dont disable it at boot i get "Marking TSC unstable due to: TSC halts in idle." and then the system halts indefinitely, but disabling it means i can't use my wireless which defeats the object of having a laptop, anyone know a work-around? (more info http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=36946)
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08:25<peterpalmeira>oi
08:25<peterpalmeira>eu tenho um servidor com 16gb de memoria mais o lenny para 32bits nao reconhece
08:25<peterpalmeira>só 2.5gb
08:26<cahoot>!pt
08:26<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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08:27<cahoot>Imdsm: upgrading bios isn't an option?
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08:51<Imdsm>cahoot: dont think so, the laptop is a rebranded highstreet version, an Advent 9115, i dont want to flash the bios with its 'based upon' chipset incase it's infact no based on that, and theres no exact bios upgrades that i can find
08:52<jm_>Imdsm: alternatively try a more recent kernel
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08:53<Imdsm>i only netinstalled this last night, 2.6.26-1-686, are there newer versions than this?
08:54<jm_>sure, 2.6.28 and you could also try 2.6.29-rcX
08:56<Imdsm>ahh nice, thanks man
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08:57<Imdsm>not dabbled in linux for a while, im rusty
08:57<jm_>!tell Imdsm -about trunk kernel
08:57<jm_>you can find 2.6.28 there
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08:59<Imdsm>is there a 2.6.28 for lenny as well?
08:59<jm_>i think that kernel works with lenny
09:00<themill>judd kernels
09:00<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); sid: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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09:02<hjb>Why does dpkg doesn't know what "trunk" means?
09:03<cahoot>lack of education
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09:05<hjb>so trunk -eq expremental ?
09:05<themill>no
09:05<themill>trunk == developer's playground.
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09:06<hjb>themill ok
09:08<themill>dpkg: trunk is a term from version control systems such as <cvs> <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground and the stability (or otherwise) of the code there varies from project to project. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software)
09:08<dpkg>themill: okay
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09:10<hjb>ahh, *that* trunk
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09:13<themill>yeah, not the trumpeting elephant kind.
09:13<jm_>that will stomp all over your hardware
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09:14<hjb>jm_ depending of quality of code in the trunk maybe something similar may happen :-D
09:14<mib_cjilmx>anyone knows what is the pcsx2 graphic plugin for Debian
09:15<mib_cjilmx>?
09:16<mib_cjilmx>(for linux)
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09:17<maks>hello
09:17<amphi>mib_cjilmx: I give up - what is it?
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09:17<maks>is there an "updated" pidgin for lenny somewhere around?
09:18<gsimmons>maks: Yes.
09:18<mib_cjilmx>pcsx2 is a Playstation 2 Emulator
09:18<gsimmons>!tell maks -about pidgin
09:18<maks>thanks gsimmons
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09:18<petern>just don't use icq ;)
09:18<gsimmons>That too.
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09:18<maks>well not that i would fall into that trap
09:19<maks>but some of our users like..
09:19<mib_cjilmx>amphi, i asked if anyone knows what is the linux graphic plugin for pcsx2 (Playstation2 Emulator)
09:19<petern>i set up xmpp once upon a time but nobody (i know) seems to use it :/
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09:20<hjb>mib_cjilmx *what* it is?!
09:20<amphi>mib_cjilmx: ah - I have no idea about such things, I'm afraid
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09:28<sushui>ls可以顯示目錄下的資料夾的大小嗎?
09:28<jm_>!cn
09:28<dpkg>it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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09:47<eryue>a ?
09:47<eryue>你们好!
09:48<azeem>!cn
09:48<dpkg>hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
09:48<eryue>啥子意思?
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09:53<orjan>I want to mount a cifs share. Is it smbfs that provides that or is it some other package?
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09:55<jm_>orjan: mount.cifs
09:56<llutz>which is part of smbfs
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09:59<orjan>jm_: ahhh, ok thanks... I'm a bit tired
09:59<orjan>llutz: thanks
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10:34<mibman>‘å’ˈ¤ <- is the text displaying properly for anyone? It's supposed to read 大塚愛. I'm apparently havign unicode problems.
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10:35<themill>one looks like 6 boxes and the other looks like 3... suspect that doesn't help you though
10:35<hexmode>mibman: I see the second, not the first
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10:37<mibman>The second one is in UTF-8 I think. I can't figure out the encoding of the first one. Debian is displaying 'em funny. Oh well. Guess I'll just have to make do.
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11:19<tech13>restoring a system from backup. It isn't able to install grub. error: "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." google has been less then fruitful.
11:19<tech13>running from a lenny live cd, restoring an etchnhalf.
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11:21<djc>seems like a PIA. better to set the backup safely aside, do a fresh install on a new drive/machine, then mount the backup tape/disk/etc and reinstall the apps, copy the settings, then the user data
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11:22<cahoot>tech13: exactly what isn't able to install grub?
11:22<tech13>ls /boot/crub/stage1 shows a readable file, grub-install says it can't find it.
11:22<tech13>chroot /mnt /bin/bash ; grub-install /sda
11:23<tech13>did a mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev ; mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc before the chroot.
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11:23<djc>perhaps its a different version of grub?
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11:24<tech13>grub-install from inside the chroot should be the same version as the stage1 instide the chroot. I've used this backup as a master for 6 other machines so far.
11:24<Nopread>fala
11:24<djc>My original comment stands. trying to restore the 'system' part of any system is more trouble than its worth. far better to keep all settings (system and app) and user data, reinstall a fresh system then copy the settings and data back in
11:24<Doaxan>Çäðàñòâóéòå! Åñòü ëè òóò ëþäè ðàçãîâàðèâàþùèå íà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå? Ìíå íóæíà ïîìîùü.
11:24<djc>!en
11:24<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
11:25<themill>!ru
11:25<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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11:25<djc>the-dude, yeah, I was just looking at the network info and saw .ru ;)
11:25<djc>er
11:25<djc>wtf is up with my tab completion
11:25<themill>hehe
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11:25<djc>i type 'the' and hit tab, it and jumps riught to the-dude
11:26<djc>apparently its not as smart as bash
11:26<djc>which prompts when there is more than one match
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11:27<djc>i suppose it wouldnt be worth it to program a bot to attempt to recognize non-english text, and deduce (either based on the users host or the text itself) what language it was and automatically issue the appropriate message
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11:29<themill>djc: bots randomly responding to things that aren't directly addressed to them isn't such a good idea though...
11:30<djc>probably
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11:31<stew>our swarm intelligence seems to get them quickly enough anyway, i don't really feel like were lacking here
11:32<djc>whats the most reliable/safest way to:
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11:33<djc>on a running lenny system, upon which was left some free space at the beginning of the drive, safely install wincrap in that free space, and then be able to get the grub mbr back
11:33<themill>!dual boot guide
11:33<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ for an ISO image to help fix up grub problems.
11:33<djc>so asd to be able to boot lenny again (and add the wincrap part)
11:33<djc>I know the 'best' way is to install wincrap first, but.. too late for that
11:33<djc>i'll take a look
11:33<djc>tks
11:34<djc>grub is still damn voodoo to me ;)
11:34<themill>It's a deeply annoying website it has to be said... at least they seem to have stopped moving that page every few weeks now though
11:35<djc>ideally i want to avoid having to manually 'fix grub' afterward.. id really like something I could run beforehand, while still in debian, that would 'save' the right grub config to flash disk or something (or hell even burn a CD).
11:35<djc>that I could then boot and it would just put it back right
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11:39<djc>id feel a lot safer with something debian-specific
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11:40<Lemonzest>is there a way to make gnome-termial remember a set size, i want to have it set to 160x50 chars, not the default 80x24
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11:42<djc>and the apcmag site is annoying as hell. its like they didnt think people would be able to scroll. I hate it when site break a simple article/document into lots of multiple pieces, that you have to wait for each one to load
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11:44<alfa>hi, what should i use for rar volume arhive?
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11:44<alfa>unrar package is not to be fond anywhere
11:44<alfa>?
11:45<themill>!unrar
11:45<dpkg>unrar is, like, a <non-free> package and utility to extract <RAR> 3.0 archives. For earlier archive versions, ask me about <unrar-free>.
11:45<djc>im seeing both in synaptic
11:45<Doaxan>Hello! Where can I get support for Russian speaking users?
11:45<djc>!ru
11:45<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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11:46<alfa>ok.. so how do i install it?
11:46<djc>use synaptic?
11:46<alfa>i tryed apt-get install unrar
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11:46<themill>dpkg: tell alfa about non-free sources
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11:46<djc>do you have non-free enabled?
11:46<alfa>never used it before
11:47<alfa>i've used some .. but i'm a newbie
11:47<djc>Для получения справки на русском языке см. # debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
11:47<alfa>i think yes
11:47<djc>themill, dpkg doesnt have the right character set for russian
11:47<alfa>i wrote in sources.list some mirror with non-free
11:47<djc>and it wont accept one either
11:48<themill>djc: dpkg doesn't like non-ascii characters.
11:48<djc>yeah, thats what I meant
11:49<themill>djc: yeah, I can't recall if it's a known bug or if it's the way dpkg is configured. encoding on irc is a sufficiently large mess that it's hardly worth enabling it anyway... give it a few years until people actually start using utf-8 and have decent glyph coverage in their fonts...
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11:51<mib_nwqrdn>Anyone here Knows pcsx2?
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11:51<azeem>doesn't dpkg show some chinese symbols in the cn factoid?
11:52<azeem>not that *I* can see them with my crappy locale setup, but I assumed it did
11:52<djc>!pcsx2
11:53<djc>mib_nwqrdn, what is it?
11:53<mib_nwqrdn>iv tried it
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11:53<mib_nwqrdn>its a playstation2 Emulator
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11:54<mib_nwqrdn>it needs a graphic plugin, that i dont found for linux
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11:54<themill>azeem: it shows something in some unknown encoding... (it's certainly not utf-8). There are a few places where such symbols are in the db already but we can't stick more in. Either they were put in manually or when the bot was more permissive about what was shoved into the db.
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11:54<mib_nwqrdn>but it (pcsx2) haves a linux version, so i think it haves a graphic plugin
11:54<azeem>themill: ugh, I had the hope chinese people who can't read english would be able to read those
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11:55<hjb>mib_nwqrdn did you try the linux version from their download page? What happens?
11:55<themill>azeem: it might be in some common zh encoding.... nfc (and in general, there's no way of finding out... such is the joy of encoding)
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11:56<mib_nwqrdn>i have downloaded it, but it dont comes with graphic plugin
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11:57<hjb>mib_nwqrdn sounds strange. what should one do with a ps2 emu without graphics ? :-|
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11:57<mib_nwqrdn>it tolds that i need configure plugins
11:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 406] by debhelper
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12:00<mib_nwqrdn>im online?
12:01<mib_nwqrdn>yes
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12:01<djc>sigh
12:01<hjb>Can't open libZeroGSoglr.so.0.96.2: libCg.so
12:02<hjb>mib_nwqrdn now i know what you're talking about :)
12:02<djc>as nifty as all that information is, its still a manual process. Theres got to be something somewhere, that I can run beforehand on a running debian system, which will make a bootable flashdrive or cd, saving the current grub mbr and setup, which then after windows install has borked on the HD, I can boot from which will just put it back thr way it was
12:03<hjb>mib_nwqrdn but i have no idea where to find that. Try searching google for "libZeroGSoglr pcsx2"
12:03<mib_nwqrdn>hjb, what can i do to resolve it?
12:03<mib_nwqrdn>ty
12:04<hjb>np, hth
12:04<hjb>htg, bye
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12:08<djc>!upgrade grub
12:09<djc>!grub2
12:09<djc>hrm
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12:09<djc>it appears that lenny is using 'grub 1' rather than 'grub 2'
12:10<djc>wonder if there is some reason and/or a safe way to upgrade
12:10<djc>!grub
12:11<dpkg>grub is, like, the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
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12:14<djc>well, i'll try installing grub-pc via synaptic.. it wants to remove the old version.. hopefully its smart enough to handle it correctly
12:14<anon>is there a nice, easy to use, filemanager, that doesn't use gtk or qt?
12:15<bafnwzjs>anon: nogui: mc
12:16<djc>i honestly dont see the point of a 'filemanager' ls, cp, rm, cd all work fine for me
12:16<cahoot>filerunner
12:16<cahoot>djc: good for you
12:16<djc>i dont need a 'picture' of my files to 'manage' them
12:16<anon>arrgh
12:17<mib_nwqrdn>i have the plugin on my plugin folder. but it isnt found by program
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12:22<shreaker>hi there
12:22<webmind_org>hi
12:23<shreaker>i am interested in sending short messages to my mobile phone with my debian
12:23<shreaker>that means with a normal adsl connection
12:23<shreaker>is that possible ?
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12:29<adama>shreaker: create your phone an MSN account and send it messages with pidgin or kopete
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12:30<shreaker>musn't my phone go online for that?
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12:31<adama>no.. I'm no expert (I don't have a mobile phone) but I think you can set your MSN account to make it send a text message to your phone if someone messages you and you are not online
12:32<shreaker>yes that could be possible
12:32<shreaker>but
12:33<shreaker>i am looking for program that can send sms with a text that you type in
12:34<shreaker>from your computer
12:34<shreaker>with your normal internet connection
12:34<cahoot>shreaker: already discarded wammu?
12:34<adama>apt-cache show smsclient
12:34<adama>looks like what you are describing
12:35<edsonmarquezani>hello... can somebody help me with nvidia + xen on debian ?
12:35<shreaker>thanks
12:35<shreaker>i will give that a try
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12:36<edsonmarquezani>anybody? =D
12:36<geek04>hi
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12:39<edsonmarquezani>im trying to compile nvidia propietary module with xen kernel ... many tries... and no success
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12:40<edsonmarquezani>now i'm trying with the official nvidia-kernel-source from testing repositorie
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12:41<edsonmarquezani>when i try to compile with module-assistant it fails
12:42<edsonmarquezani>and i can't found a patch for it
12:42<chealer>!tell edsonmarquezani about enter
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12:45<tczern>how can I install "gnome-language-selector"? I cannot find this package
12:45<edsonmarquezani>does anybody know a way to solve it ?
12:45<amphi>tczern: apt-file knows of nothing by that name
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12:46<tczern>amphi: language-selector then? I was told so, I want to be abe to change the system language, thanks!
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12:51<chealer>edsonmarquezani: did you check the BTS?
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12:56<zer0divide>Is KVM even possible on itaium 1?
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12:56<azeem>zer0divide: do you have a itanium
12:57<zer0divide>yes
12:57<azeem>I don't know, but I'd say probably it does not
12:57<zer0divide>sgi 750, dual itanium 733, 4g ram
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13:23<deadrabbit>hi every one
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13:40<zxd>is there a command that reads package dependencies from a .deb file and then installs these ?
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13:46<themill>gdebi can do that, but you're better off using a proper apt repository
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13:47<tczern>hi, what's the comand to make a file executable?
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13:48<christoph>I just noticed today that X on my notebook is no longer able to detect external monitors adn can't change the resolution of the internal display anymore via randr. Probably caused by the update from Xserver 1.5 -> 1.6 any idea what might be tha cause?
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13:49<adama>tczern: chmod
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13:50<themill>christoph: what version of debian are you running?
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13:52<christoph>themill, mostly squeeze
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13:52<Cadmium02>How do you view all the files owned by package?
13:52<azeem>Cadmium02: dpkg -L <package>
13:52<themill>christoph: except for all the bits of xorg that aren't in squeeze... or sid...
13:52<azeem>that's excluding config files
13:53<Cadmium02>azeem, dpkg -L wine does not show me where the executables or configuration is at
13:53<azeem>which executables?
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13:53<christoph>themill, jep xorg and kde are taken from experimental
13:53<Cadmium02>azeem, wine for example
13:53<Cadmium02>azeem, and how would I view configuration?
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13:54<christoph>kde because it's for testing only and xorg because you can't get accelerated 3d on free drivers for ati r500 chips without
13:54<azeem>Cadmium02: it's in wine-bin apparently
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13:54<Cadmium02>azeem, I see, thanks
13:54<Cadmium02>azeem, what about configuration>?
13:54<adama>Cadmium02: wine is a meta-package, try wine-bin
13:54<azeem>dpkg -L only displays the configuration files which are shipped in the .deb
13:55<dpkg>No packages found matching only displays the configuration files which are shipped in the .deb
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13:55<adama>Cadmium02: apt-file is a good tool as well
13:55<azeem>for the rest, you'll have to search through the postinst or something
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13:55<Cadmium02>azeem, what's postinst?
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13:56<azeem>Cadmium02: the script which gets run during package install
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13:56<azeem> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst
13:57<Cadmium02>cool thanks
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13:59<adama>Cadmium02: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file show wine|less
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14:08<t3rra>hi guys
14:09<y__>hi
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14:11<y__>where are you from?
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14:14<Guest774>lllll?
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14:23<sylarr>I changed mobo
14:24<sylarr>and I cant up eth0
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14:24<sylarr>I get "no such device"
14:24<djc>assuming your nic is built in, it probably has a different network ship/card
14:24<djc>so the right module isnt loading
14:24<djc>try going into System/Administration/Network
14:25<llutz>sylarr: maybe it got a different devicename due to MAC-change, "ifconfig -a"
14:25<djc>see if it can see the new card
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14:25<djc>unless its the exact same brand/revision of mainboard,
14:25<djc>it probably isnt even the same type of hardware
14:25<djc>try going into System/Administration/Network
14:25<sylarr>I see the card in lspci
14:25<themill>sylarr: what's the pci-id of this card? (lspci -nn)
14:25<sylarr>and the module for it is atl1e and it is load afaik
14:25<Cadmium01>Any idea on how I would be able to install fonts in wine or ies4linux ?
14:25<themill>ahh... we've been here before, haven't we...
14:26<Cadmium01>I need to add othe rlanguage utf fonts
14:26<djc>you still want to go into system/admin/network
14:26<djc>maybe just remove then re-add the card
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14:27<sylarr>themill, [1969:1026] ?
14:27<themill>judd pciid 1969:1026
14:27<judd>themill: [1969:1026] is 'L1e Gigabit Ethernet Adapter' from 'Attansic Technology Corp.' with kernel module 'atl1e' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi?check=1&lspci=1969:1026
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14:27<freedore>I often have cernel oops with Lenny. What should I do?
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14:27<llutz>/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
14:27<llutz>sylarr: chaeck ^^ for ethX
14:28<llutz>check
14:28<freedore>I meant kernel. Could anyone give me a hand?
14:29<adama>freedore: ask your real question
14:30<sylarr>llutz, I see it there as eth2
14:30<sylarr>llutz, but I tried to ifup it and it didn't come up
14:30<llutz>sylarr: change it to eth0, delete former eth0-line
14:31<djc>is there an eth0 there with a different id?
14:31<sylarr>llutz, ok
14:31<llutz>sylarr: that happened because MAC changed, udev-thingy
14:31<djc>i was going to suggest move the pci-id of the nic to the old eth0 line
14:31<djc>but same effect
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14:32<freedore>I installed Lenny two weeks ago. From time to time I have kerneloops client appeard on my taskbar. I allow it to sent information, but I want tot know if I can do more to identify the problem.
14:32<llutz>udev uses MAC-adr, not pci-ids by default
14:32<djc>er, right
14:34<sylarr>it still doesn't ifup
14:34<sylarr>should I reboot?
14:34<sylarr>or something
14:34<llutz>sylarr: restart udev at least
14:34<sylarr>ok
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14:35<sylarr>still same no such device
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14:36<llutz>sylarr: then reboot might be usefull
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14:36<sylarr>k
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14:39<sylarr>ok
14:39<sylarr>it works
14:40<sylarr>thanks llutz , djc
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14:41<anon>Why can't why can't why can't you just get physical like a human
14:41<cliffbreaker>hi everyone. I'm running debian lenny stable and got problems with pidgin - it won't connect saying that I'm using old version. Is there a workaround of this?
14:41<sylarr>Now I have a cron script that I need to stop, where I put my cron scripts I forgot
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14:41<llutz>sylarr: /etc/cron.* or crontab -l
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14:42<llutz>cliffbreaker: icq-issue
14:42<cliffbreaker>llutz: what do you mean?
14:43<sylarr>crontab -l found it , thanks llutz
14:43<llutz>icq changed something in their proprietary cracp and now you are out. blame ice or use different messenger
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14:43<llutz>icq
14:44<cliffbreaker>llutz: could you please advise me another manager supporting icq protocol?
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14:44<djc>icq is proprietary.. probably only the icq client you download from them will work
14:44<fxiny>i think bitlbee works
14:45<llutz>cliffbreaker: not really, because i don't use icq.
14:45<llutz>try using xmpp with icq-transports
14:45<djc>there are several dozen different 'instant message' fiefdems in use, all non-interoperable and not-compatible
14:46<djc>everyone has email, and it all interoperates (well, so long as you send plain text email and not proprietary attachments)
14:46<cliffbreaker>djc: pidgin of newer versions runs perfectly
14:47<djc>the point is someone from icq cant talk to someone on yim, and someone on yim cant talk to someone on aim, and someone on aim cant talk to someone on msn
14:47<djc>etc
14:47<djc>etc
14:47<djc>ad nauseum
14:47<djc>email is universal
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14:47<llutz>email != instant-messaging
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14:47<djc>and almost as 'instant'
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14:48<djc>i type a line of text, indicate a handle/name/address I want to send it to, and there it is
14:48<djc>it accomplishes the same thing
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14:49<djc>without all the worrying about wether anyone is on the same client/network
14:49<djc>amd if you need more instant than that, theres (gasp!) irc
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14:50<sylarr>llutz, now my new nvidia card doesn't let it go into graphical mode. I had ati previously
14:50<djc>which predates all the weenie 'IM' nonsense, and uses open documented protocols, no worrying that $irc_provider is gonna change their proprietary protocol
14:51<llutz>xmpp is quite well documented, open and free
14:51<sylarr>I don't need 3d
14:51<cliffbreaker>found a client named licq - it's working
14:51<sylarr>just the gui env
14:51<llutz>sylarr: change your xorg.conf to use Driver "nv"
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14:52<djc>llutz, i didnt say there werent any open 'im' protocols.. but theres too many im fiefdoms, all incompatible with each other, and isolated from each other
14:53<phrosty>heheh
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14:53<phrosty>irc is quite an evil protocol, though
14:54<llutz>djc: true, but instead of using other media (irc, email...), i try forcing people to use xmpp for im. and one day in far future.... </dreaming>
14:54<djc>riiight
14:55<djc>i see no benefit that 'im' offers over email and/or irc
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14:55<Cadmium01>what exactly is the .bundle file?
14:55<djc>'people can see wether you are online'. FUCK them, its none of their damn business. if they have something to tell me type it and i'll see it when I see it
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14:55<petern>llutz: how do you 'force' people to use xmpp?
14:56<avu>djc, the main benefit is that many people use it and react quickly when contacted via those protocols :)
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14:57<djc>I have no desire to 'react quickly' to anyone any more than im likely to do in response to an email
14:57<Mikael23>Bonsoir ?
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14:57<avu>djc, there may be no actual technical benefits, there might even be quite a few downsides. it all doesn't matter when it is what your girlfriend or your business partners use
14:57<djc>!ch
14:57<dpkg>methinks ch is Switzerland, or #linux.ch and Confoederatio Helvetica
14:57<llutz>petern: talk to them, show them icq-terms, show them alternatives etc.pp. at least: ignore them if they donÄt use xmpp ;)
14:57<Cadmium01>petemc, best way to force is not to force, but attract by cool featres
14:57<Mikael23>Quelqu'un parle- il FRENCH ???
14:57<Cadmium01>just like linux, was not forced I was attracted
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14:57<djc>!fr
14:57<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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14:58<Mikael23>irc.oftc.net
14:58<Cadmium01>what do I do with a .bundle file? anyone?
14:58<sylarr>llutz, I have an nv somewhere in my xorg.conf
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14:58<llutz>sylarr: then check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
14:58<djc>follow the instructions that were whereever you got it from?
14:59<anabelgarmar>olaaaaaaaaaa
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14:59<petern>actually nobody i know uses icq any more
14:59<fxiny>why firing up another client when irssi can connect to bitltbee , which supports icq msn gtalk yahoo jabber ?
14:59<petern>they're all perfectly happy with msn messenger
14:59<rasher>Anyone have pointers to information about configuring keyboard layout with evdev. It doesn't seem to be picking up the .fdi file I added in /etc/hal/fdi/policy
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14:59<djc>!sp
14:59<dpkg>[sp] troubled: you stats pimp!
14:59<djc>!es
14:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:00<petern>which is a shame, as i have a 6 digit icq uin ;)
15:00<avu>petern, how is that any better though? both are broken closed protocols that change often at the owner's whim
15:00<avu>making using free clients quite a pain at times
15:00<llutz>petern: msn, icq ... all the same crap
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15:01<petern>i didn't say it was better :)
15:01<djc>which about sums up my entire philosphy on the subject of IM in the first place
15:01<petern>i find it hard to teach people who don't see the need because it's already there... the same people who use IE...
15:01<TariQ>join #egylinux
15:02<TariQ>join #linux
15:02<avu>djc, which still is no reason not to use them if you have regular/important contacts to the non-geek world out there :)
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15:02<peterius>what command tells you what depends on a package?
15:02<fxiny>i dont care about IM but i do not even think to use some crappy gui client
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15:02<djc>avu, I do not. and if I form any, I will make sure they know how to use email
15:02<avu>petern, apt-cache rdepends
15:03<avu>djc, well then I pitty you :)
15:03<djc>Its the same thing with facebook. I just laugh when I here some radio station or some other business say 'we're on facebook, search for (whatever)'.
15:03<djc>like, dont you have a website?
15:03<peterius>thanks avu
15:03<djc>why do you need a 'facebook'.. just use your website
15:04<sylarr>llutz, (WW) NV: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found
15:04<sylarr>(EE) No devices detected.
15:04<llutz>djc: because it's l337 :(
15:04<djc>i mean for some individual person who wants to post pictures of themselves drunk that will bite them in the ass later, sure, facebook it is. but it just seems moronic for a business
15:04<djc>especially one that probably already *does* have a website
15:05<pidus>i just moved to debian lenny from kubuntu 8.10 and a java swing program using sun-java6-jdk that worked perfectly fine on kubuntu now doesn't respond to mouse clicks. Is it a known problem, or am i the only one suffering from it?..or am i doing something incorrectly..if somebody knows a fix to it, i'll be delighted.
15:05<djc>no, its not, its the exact opposite. as are people who spell thing with numbers like that
15:05<djc>its 'wannabe'
15:06<djc>its drivel spoonfed to cattle by marketers
15:06<djc>to make the cattle think they are smart or special
15:06<fxiny>i prefere livejournal people to faceburps
15:07<fxiny>in the banana republic i live in all politicians are on faceburps
15:07<djc>you always hear about potential employers googling candidates and coming up with all sorts of crap
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15:07<peterius>I have a package libkrb53 that is being "held back" in testing, and a ton of stuff depends on it
15:07<djc>i rest comfortably knowing that there is pretty much nothing that will come up on my name
15:07<peterius>what should I do?
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15:07<djc>despite having been "on the net" since around 96
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15:08<pidus>Is this the wrong place to be asking the sort of question that I did ask?
15:08<fxiny>but today i am more p* off by that nasty ~/.macromedia dir full of tracking crap
15:08<llutz>djc: _that_ makes you suspicious nowadays
15:08<peterius>pidus: are there other java programs that are broken?
15:09<djc>llutz, they are only looking for negative points
15:09<pidus>peterius, i didn't get you! do you want me to check if any java programs are working or not?
15:09<djc>i doubt the 'lack of blog' is gonna count as a missing positive
15:09<djc>with the *possible* exception of someone looking to hire a blogger/jouranlist
15:09<djc>journalist
15:09<peterius>pidus: well it might be a start, I don't know
15:10<djc>and I have *no* expectation of ever even considering a career even remotely related
15:11<djc>ok, enough ot. i'll let the channel get back to debian
15:11<peterius>apt-get dist-upgrade... okay, you know is there some debian admin cheat file somewhere? like an FAQ of apt-get commands and the like?
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15:12<djc>man apt-get ?
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15:12<djc>or use aptitude ? or synaptic?
15:12<peterius>yeah, but like, I see "packages held back" from apt-get
15:12<peterius>and the update manager is bugged
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15:12<fxiny>aptitude full-upgrade , you living in the last century :P
15:12<peterius>so I don't know what that means, I do find a decent site that suggests that that is what dist-upgrade is for
15:13<peterius>actually I am, my knowledge of debian is from ten years ago
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15:13<fxiny>i am a modern guy like in the song , i use aptitude :P
15:13<peterius>but I thought "dist-upgrade" was something to run to get from a whole thing, like etch to lenny
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15:14<peterius>but apparently it also will install new packages, replacing obsoletes where upgrade won't... where is that conveniently listed?
15:14<fxiny>etch to lenny ? read the topic
15:14<peterius>I mean I don't care, I know it now, but... for future generations
15:14<goodger>peterius: aptitude --help lists most of its functions
15:15<peterius>no fxiny, you missed my point, I'm not talking about etch to lenny specifically, I'm saying the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade should be like on some net FAQ on debian.org, maybe it is
15:15<themill>peterius: it is. It's on the wiki, in the apt-howto and in man apt-get and man aptitude.... it's hardly undocumented.
15:16<fxiny>peterious : i'm talking easy life : i did apt-get upgrade but then someone here told me i was wrong . i started again with aptitude and yes i was wrong
15:16<djc>ok, thats weird. i seem to recall when hovering over links in FF/IW that the URL would show at the bottom.. but that bar seems to have gone missing
15:16<avu>peterius, also, aptitude in lenny renamed upgrade to safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to make it more clear from the names
15:16<goodger>djc: view - > status bar
15:16<peterius>avu oh really? well what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
15:17<avu>!tell peterius about why aptitude
15:17<llutz>sylarr: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to generate a new, hopefully working xorg.conf
15:17<peterius>so aptitude is a kind of shell for apt-get
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15:17<djc>goodger, hey.. thank you.. now how did that get unchcked
15:17<avu>peterius, no
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15:17<djc>hrm
15:17<goodger>djc: god knows :P
15:17<goodger>peterius: aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get
15:18<avu>peterius, it's another tool that uses the same libraries but implements advanced functionality
15:18<goodger>more or less...
15:18<petern>there should be deprecated warning for apt-get
15:18<goodger>unfortunately, it lacks super cow powers
15:18<peterius>avu/goodger: so then aptitude is an apt-get replacement... ?
15:18<petern>at least, the way some people here treat it
15:18<avu>goodger, no it doesn't ;)
15:18<avu>goodger, it just pretends it does
15:18<pidus>peterius: yes, a simple non text java program did work
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15:19<goodger>peterius: yes
15:19<peterius>pidus: what is a "swing"?
15:19<avu>peterius, it's a GUI toolkit for java
15:19<peterius>goodger: well, see then that's confusing, I mean like I said, I know now, but some other joker is going to come in this channel and say "what's apt-get" and you're going to use the dpkg bot to tell him what aptitude is and he's going to be confused
15:19<pidus>peterius: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_(Java)
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15:20<peterius>pidus: well do other swing apps work without the mouse thing?
15:20<goodger>peterius: it's perfectly simple. aptitude replaces apt-get
15:20<goodger>and a number of other apt tools
15:20<peterius>goodger: it is perfectly simple but... its not perfectly clear
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15:20<goodger>it's completely clear, we've been saying it for some time
15:20<peterius>you, yes, but I'm saying debian
15:20<pidus>peterius: the frame - and other gui stuff does show up but events don't work.
15:21<peterius>pidus: for all swing applications?
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15:21<goodger>peterius: it's also documented repeatedly online
15:21<peterius>debian should have some really visible FAQ for some of this stuff, non wordy, etc..
15:21<peterius>goodger: it is, but you got to look around and specific use-cases are not so apparent
15:21<pidus>peterius: yes for a couple of them which i tried did work...but then mouse event didn't work
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15:23<pidus>peterius: there's something called setDefaultCloseOperation() for frames which defines the default action on a window close attempt..it worked sporadically when i tried it in kde
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15:23<pidus>now when i try it, it never works and the window hangs
15:23<fxiny>why the world today is telnetting me ? windoze zombified borked clients ? i have hundreds of DPT 23
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15:24<peterius>pidus: you tried googling it?
15:24<pidus>yeah i did, but without any success :-(
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15:26<peterius>pidus: well, I honestly don't know what it means to convert kubuntu to debian, but you might want to try uninstalling and reinstalling, I know that's kind of a lame suggestion but
15:26<pidus>somebody in here, using lenny and having sun-java6-jdk will surely be able to help me
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15:27<pidus>peterius: :-)
15:27<Cadmium01>what is 1-686 vs 386?
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15:28<peterius>cadmium01- versions of the x86 processor? are you choosing an install version?
15:28<goodger>Cadmium01: 686 is compiled for pentium II and compatibles, which theoretically runs faster than the generic 386 but does not run on anything older than a PII
15:28<valdyn>Cadmium01context!
15:29<valdyn>Cadmium01: context!
15:29<Cadmium01>petemc, goodger I am installing vmware and it's asking me for kernel headers 2.6.26-1.686
15:29<Cadmium01>I assume linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 is the right package?
15:29<peterius>the -1 is a version number, 686 means its a recent x86 processor
15:30<peterius>probably
15:30<goodger>Cadmium01: yes
15:30<valdyn>Cadmium01: linux-headers-$(uname -r) is the right package
15:30<peterius>ciao
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15:30<Cadmium01>goodger, valdyn thank
15:30<Cadmium01>thanks
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15:35<gregor_>witam
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15:36<yfk>what's the name of that application that catches keystrokes?
15:36<Cadmium01>is this the right path for kernel headers? /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
15:36<Cadmium01>or do I need any of the subdirs?
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15:36<Cadmium01>vmwre installer does not accept this path, I suspect I need some other folder within this location
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15:40<Cadmium01>anyone?
15:41<fxiny>Cadmium01: symlink it ln -s linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 linux
15:41<Cadmium01>fxiny, can you give me mroe detail pleasE?
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15:41<Cadmium01>fxiny, I just need to specify correct path
15:41<fxiny>Cadmium01: cd /usr/src/ then run : ln -s linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 linux
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15:43<ml>hello
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15:43<fxiny>ml: hello
15:43<nsa_fiend>this might sound silly, but could a ooo macro cause damage to hardware?
15:44<ml>fxiny: hey
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15:44<Cadmium01>still didnt find it fxiny
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15:45<fxiny>Cadmium01: are you sure you symlinked it ?
15:45<Cadmium01>yes
15:45<Cadmium01>fxiny, which sbfolder ahs the linux header files?
15:45<Cadmium01>the installer asks for directory
15:46<ml>fxiny: dmenu is awesome better than gmrun
15:46<fxiny>ml: is nice , yes
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15:47<fxiny>Cadmium01: where's the symlink ? :)
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15:47<Cadmium01>in /usr/src
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15:48<Cadmium01>/usr/src/linux
15:48<githogori>Just curious - anybody know whether bug# 519022 will be fixed soon - I finally was forced to install KDE since Gnome will no longer install in ¨unstable¨
15:48<fxiny>cyan or red ?
15:48<Cadmium01>cyan
15:49<fxiny>so wmvarez changed something , i'm not using it since ages . lemme check my old etch
15:49<fxiny>Cadmium01: but remember , vmwarez is not supported here
15:50<Cadmium01>fxiny, I know...
15:50<fxiny>ml: still having fun ?
15:50<Cadmium01>fxiny, I just specify the path but it wont take it, I remember before I did it by one of the sub folders, dont know which
15:50<ml>fxiny: yes, but I'm leavein it like this for now
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15:51<fxiny>Cadmium01: forget the path , try again
15:52<ml>fxiny: i removed magicfocus and dragpane
15:53<fxiny>Cadmium01: you have three dirs there right ? symlinks takes to *-6-686
15:53<nsa_fiend>anyone heard of macros damaging hardware?
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15:53<fxiny>ml: i have some 20-25 *.hs in my ~/.xmonad
15:53<ml>I prefer the manual way, but looking at your xmonad.hs helped me fix mine abit
15:53<ml>fxiny: wow
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15:54<Cadmium01>fixny there are 3 folder and on lymblink in it
15:54<fxiny>ml: mine is basic , browse to the contrib docs and follow specific layouts instructions
15:55<Cadmium01>fxiny, and symlinc works as when I click on it in gnome it takes me to that dir
15:55<fxiny>ml: be prepared for some X freeze , it will be your fault :)
15:55<ml>fxiny: why, hehe
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15:55<fxiny>Cadmium01: click it ? run file /path/*/linux next
15:56<fxiny>Cadmium01: use the shell
15:57<Cadmium01>fxiny, bash: /usr/src/linux: is a directory
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15:57<fxiny>Cadmium01: file /usr/src/linux says that ?
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15:57<fxiny>can't be
15:57<Cadmium01>fxiny, yep
15:57<Cadmium01>that's what it sys
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15:58<fxiny>Cadmium01: it should say : "... symbolic link to ..."
15:58<Cadmium01>fxiny, doing ls -al : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 26 2009-03-12 15:43 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.26-1-68
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15:59<ml>fxiny: xmonad is ten times better than openbox :) thanks
15:59<fxiny>Cadmium01: file /usr/src/linux is not a dir but a symlink
15:59<fxiny>Cadmium01: ln -s dir linux
16:00<Cadmium01>fxiny, ok, so it's a symlink
16:00<Cadmium01>now what?
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16:00<fxiny>ml: heheh , more relaxed , more productive , less stressed up :)
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16:00<petern>hmm, my alt-gr key is behaving like the menu key, instead of the usual composey-type-thing
16:01<ml>:)
16:01<fxiny>Cadmium01: i can help you just with the symlink problem . vmwarez is not supported here
16:01<fxiny>Cadmium01: and i don't have any wmware installed
16:01<Cadmium01>why am I creating a symlink in first place?
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16:02<fxiny>because in etch vmware wants it
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16:02<fxiny>this is what i remember
16:02<Cadmium01>I'm running Lenny, this one want it too
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16:03<Cadmium01>the thing is, I need to know which subdir has the kernel headers
16:03<Cadmium01>inside linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/
16:03<fxiny>Cadmium01: can you tell me again the output of : file /usr/src/linux ? the exact output
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16:04<Cadmium01>fxiny, /usr/src/linux: symbolic link to `linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686'
16:04<fxiny>you mean "include" ?
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16:04<Cadmium01>maybe it's include, ut headers dont match anyway
16:04<linkslice>I've got a system with 3ware raid card and I'm using the tw_cli command to manage and view status etc... Everything is fine, except now I'm setting up and identical system and don't remember where I found the tw_cli program, anyone know?
16:04<fxiny>could it be the vmware version ?
16:05<fxiny>not supporting a 2.6.26 ? no idea
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16:05<ml>fxiny: here is my current xmonad... http://pastebin.ca/1359250
16:06<petern>`
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16:07<fxiny>ml: no need for ~/.xmobarrc full path
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16:08<fxiny>ml: it defaults to ~/.xmobarrc
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16:08<ml>fxiny: really, just following the wiki :)
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16:09<fxiny>ml: just : xmproc <- spawnPipe "/usr/local/bin/xmobar" , unless you are using a different rc file
16:10<amphi>if you have ~/.xmobarrc there's no need to specify it at all
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16:10<ml>amphi: hey
16:10<fxiny>amphi: hey , what about enouf ?
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16:10<ml>ok
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16:10<amphi>fxiny: still ailing somewhat, I believe
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16:13<fxiny>amphi ml : time to go
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16:19<CQ_>anyone in teh mood for a quick subversion question?
16:19<CQ_>I have the repository set up with www-data.www-data, and I'm in the www-data group, but it says I don't have privs to create the lockfile in db ... the dir is set rwxr-sr-x ...
16:20<CQ_>does that need to be rws?
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16:33<pidus>is there anybody in here who is on Lenny and use sun-java5/6-jdk?
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16:38<themill>pidus: assume yes and ask your real question
16:38<sylarr>thanks llutz_ now I have my gui too :)
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16:38<enouf>hi fxiny
16:40<pidus>themill: i just moved from kubuntu to lenny and a simple swing program that worked on sun-jdk-6 hangs at mouseevent on sun-jdk-5/6 -lLenny.
16:40<pidus>*Lenny
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16:40<petern>and messages from a console?
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16:41<faressoft>hello
16:41<pidus>themill: i wanted to know if sun-jdk required some further configuration? I tried to google the problem but no pointers
16:41<themill>pidus: make sure it's actually using sun java using update-java-alternatives
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16:41<pidus>petern: none. the window hangs instantaneously and says Not Responding
16:42<pidus>themill: ok i'll try that
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16:46<pidus>themill: update-java-alternatives -l gave 3 instances java-1.5.0-sun, java-6-sun, java-gcj ......that does show a problem, isn't it?
16:47<themill>pidus: it means that you've got gcj also installed and it will probably be the default. Tell it to use java-6-sun and then try your app again
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16:48<pidus>themill: it works perfectly :-) thanks a lot. I did learn something today :-)
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16:49<themill>:)
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16:52<valdyn>CQ_: the group has no write permissions
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16:53<CQ_>valdyn: I guess it's or to give it to it then? and some of the subdirs need it as well
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16:53<valdyn>CQ_: your www server shouldnt have write permissions
16:54<CQ_>how do I set up webdav then?
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16:59<revertTS>is defoma pretty much dead at this point?
16:59<revertTS>I was trying to install a font by hand and ran into a 4 year old defoma-hints bug...
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17:01<sylarr>where did debian live got these nice flashblock?
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17:03<dkr>sylarr: the addon for firefox/iceweasel?
17:03<sylarr>yes but that is easy, they have it for epiphany too
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17:08<kurumin>Oiie
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17:11<sylarr>does debian live hang out in some channel here?
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17:11<sylarr>or there?
17:12<azeem>sylarr: debian live questions are on-topic here as well
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17:13<sylarr>azeem, ok
17:14<sylarr>azeem, I like their flashblcok for epiphany
17:14<sylarr>I want to put it on my main system too
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17:15<azeem>so do it
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17:17<chinatwist>exit
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17:22<pidus>http://lists.debian.org/debian-bugs-dist/recent is not working! is it something that ought to be reported or is it some transitional state?
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17:44<circuit>Hey guys, about circuit schematics, what you know about? (what programs are good)
17:44<Shoot>hello
17:44<azeem>circuit: what does that have to do with Debian?
17:44<Shoot>the french channel is #debian-fr ?
17:44<circuit>i need a circuit schematic simulator to debian
17:44<Shoot>because i'm french :)
17:45<circuit>!fr
17:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
17:45<Shoot>merci
17:46<llutz_>circuit: try eagle from non-free
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17:56<circuit>eagle is not good. i have tried and for schematic it is worse than oregano
17:57<circuit>eagle appear good for pbcs. i need for shematics
17:57<Shoot>okay
17:57<circuit>but thanks anyway
17:58<Shoot>oui
17:58<Shoot>eu ... yes
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18:00<Shoot>circuit is good
18:00<circuit>llutz_, you have one idea of another
18:01<Shoot>schematics circuits is a good idea
18:02<Shoot>you know ?
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18:02<Shoot>I live in Paris
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18:03<circuit>Shoot, im not understanding you
18:04<Shoot>arf
18:04<Shoot>schematics is a good idea
18:04<Shoot>you know ?
18:04<Supaplex>you should do it right meow.
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18:05<Shoot>sorry supaplex but ...
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18:05<Shoot>i go in my bec
18:05<Shoot>bed*
18:05<Shoot>with my computer portable
18:06<Shoot>run with debian lenny :)
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18:16<ml>is any difference between su -l username and exit from root term?
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18:16<ml>or just different way of doing the same thing?
18:16<goodger>ml: yes, su -l username creates another su inside the original su
18:17<ml>goodger: so that user can has root permissions?
18:17<sylarr>did something in the place of the fonts changed in debian 5?
18:18<sylarr>because I have upgraded, and the fonts seem different and smaller now
18:18<sylarr>?
18:18<goodger>ml: no, the terminal in question will be operating as user root, but you will have created another su process for the kernel to handle, as opposed to closing the original one
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18:19<ml>ok got it, better to exit then?
18:19<goodger>yep
18:19<ml>goodger: thank you
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18:19<ml>:)
18:20<Shoot>owiiiiii
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18:33<Comet>!ciao
18:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter.
18:33<Comet>!lista
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18:56<dkr>!it
18:56<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:09<sylarr>why is evolution triggers the keyring everytime I send a mail in the new lenny upgrade?
19:10<themill>dpkg: tell sylarr about multiple ask
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19:19<captain>wow lots of people in here!
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19:19<goodger>quite
19:19<captain>is this a proper place to ask for help with hardware under debian testing?
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19:20<goodger>captain: it's probably the best place, not sure about proper
19:20<captain>hehe
19:20<captain>great
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19:22<ed__>Hello
19:22<ed__>Is there a way in which I can recover files I lost because X crashed?
19:22<goodger>ed__: probably depends upon the application. in what manner were the files lost?
19:22<ed__>Well
19:22-!-gxenusmil [~celes@79.109.178.50.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
19:22<ed__>Not exactly crashed
19:22<ed__>It's just the screen lockedduring a game of sauerbraten and now I can't unlock it :-(
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19:23<ed__>And the files are in gedit
19:23<captain>ok here goes...
19:23<goodger>ed__: if you hit ctrl-sysrq-K you can save your kernel but you will lose all gedit changes, except if it has some sort of auto-save backup feature, which AFAIK it does not
19:24<captain>my sound goes from working to "working" intermittently...
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19:24<captain>i think i'm using alsa
19:24<ed__>goodger, I assume gedit is still running
19:24<ed__>Aye, it is
19:24<goodger>captain: define "working"?
19:24<captain>but on some bootups everything works... on others... the following doesn't work:
19:24<captain>goodger: gettin there ;)
19:25<goodger>ed__: unfortunately, if X is frozen, it's probably not going to be possible to recover your gedit session
19:25<ed__>Well it's not exactly frozen
19:25<ed__>I assume it's just locked
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19:25<meshuggah>hello
19:25<ed__>Does that change anything?
19:25<ed__>And thanks
19:25<goodger>ed__: symptoms? :S
19:25<goodger>meshuggah: hello
19:25<meshuggah>how can i change permission in a directory with chmod to give all permission to all user?
19:26<ed__>Aaaah holy crap that scared me
19:26<ed__>I just saw a load of mashed up imagery like when vym displayed all my porn I had been browsing in konqueror inside its preview window
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19:26<dean>hello
19:26<ed__>Hello, sir
19:26<meshuggah>dean, hi
19:26<ed__>We're just in the middle of a civilised conversation
19:26<goodger>ed__: thank you for the analogy
19:26<captain>these things don't work sometimes: sound from flash, testing playback in gnome sound preferences when ALSA is selected, esound...
19:27<goodger>*cough*
19:27<ed__>:P
19:27<meshuggah>!chmod
19:27<dpkg>If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <Permissions>
19:27<ed__>But yeah, the panel's there, though a bit mashed
19:27<goodger>I see
19:27<ed__>Got loads of images mashed everywhere... apart from that, I can't describe it much
19:27<captain>but these things do work: if SiS SI7012 is selected, playing music with just about any app, testing the sound through gnome sound preferences ...
19:27<goodger>so this is a full-screen game that's misbehaving? running under wine by any chance?
19:27<ed__>Kinda regular right-angled chaos
19:28<joshua2138>meshuggah: chmod a=rwx file1 :)
19:28<lainox>I need help! how can I hide the source of the Debian boot?
19:28<ed__>goodger, nay, native
19:28<captain>i grabbed dmesg, a find of /dev, and lsmod in both cases
19:28<goodger>ed__: humm.
19:28<captain>if it will help anyone, i can send it
19:28<goodger>hit ctrl-alt-f1 and log in as yourself, then run ps aux to find the name of the process in question, and then run "killall $process"
19:29<ed__>I was just doing that
19:29<ed__>Says no process killed
19:29<goodger>unpleasant
19:29<captain>ed__: but the process is listed in the ps listing?
19:29<ed__>Try -9?
19:29<ed__>Yes
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19:30<captain>hmm
19:30<captain>try the pid and using kill
19:30<captain>i've never seen it give that message unless you spelled the proc name wrong
19:30<captain>if it doesn't die, it just gives you a blank line usually
19:30<ed__>Aha
19:30<ed__>Got the name wrong
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19:30<captain>;)
19:31<ed__>Aha - I have won!
19:31<ed__>I killed sauerbraten and replaced compiz
19:31<captain>k now help me fix my sound and we'll call it even ;)
19:31<goodger>aha, compiz
19:31<captain>i guess you owe goodger too hehe
19:31<yfk>how can I check if some software I downloaded has viruses and bad stuff?
19:32<goodger>yfk: using a virus scanner
19:32<meshuggah>joshua2138, thank :)
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19:32<yfk>goodger: will using something for win32 be good in this case?
19:32<azeem>yfk: how is this related to Debian?
19:32<ed__>yfk: For the sake of keeping Linux safe, you probably don't need a virus scanner.
19:33<goodger>yfk: a virus scanner written for win32 is likely not to run very very well in wine; there are linux-based virus scanners that check for windows-based viruses, however
19:33<ed__>Viruses are virtually non-existent for Linux
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19:33<goodger>unfortunately I can't remember the name of any of them
19:33<azeem>amavis
19:33<captain>yfk: are you downloading open source software?
19:33<captain>and is it binaries?
19:33<captain>and is it built for linux?
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19:34<azeem>clamav
19:34<yfk>captain:It's precompiled and not open at all
19:34<captain>right but built for running under linux?
19:34<captain>personally as a rule of thumb i stay away from anything i can't apt-get anyway
19:35<jolteon>Is anyone there that could possibly help me?
19:35<goodger>jolteon: only if you ask us a question :)
19:35<yfk>captain: It's not a mail client ;)
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19:36<jolteon>Alrighty, well.. I have an Acer Extensa 4420 Laptop, I'm trying to do a net install off a stable version of Lenny, I just upgraded the BIOS, like other people have suggested but I keep on getting the same error message.
19:36<captain>yfk: then what is it?
19:36<yfk>and It's compiled for running under Linux, sure
19:36<yfk>captain: some game
19:36<jolteon>Wow? Hold on it actually worked.
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19:37<goodger>O.O
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19:37<captain>yfk: get it from whomever sells the game's website ... if you get a virus sue em
19:37-!-tuxcrafter [~jelle@84-245-3-195.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #debian
19:37<captain>oh i think i get it...
19:37<yfk>captain: It's not a commercial product
19:38<captain>and they won't give you the source?
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19:38<jolteon>Sorry I was using Mibbit.
19:38<jolteon>And it crapped out on me, cannot allocate resource 7 and 8 and it was hanging.
19:38<goodger>yfk: what is it? :S
19:39<jolteon>cannot allocate resource 7 and 8.
19:39<jolteon>It was hanging for quite a bit during the installation, but It took forever for it to actually "work."
19:39<yfk>how much damage can some code do if I run it as a non admin user?
19:39<yfk>goodger: It's a game
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19:40<yfk>amavis is old
19:40<goodger>yfk: it can erase everything in your home directory
19:40<goodger>or it can install itself as an item to be run when you log in, and then do naughty trojaning things
19:40<yfk>goodger: so if I run it with some absent user it can't do anything?
19:40<goodger>to some extent
19:41<captain>unless it exploits a hole in something
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19:41<captain>but that would take foresight
19:41<captain>hmm...
19:42<captain>goodger: can you suggest a channel more pertaining to my sound weirdism? e.g. a #alsa somewhere, etc?
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19:42<goodger>captain: I'm afraid not...
19:43<captain>:(
19:43<captain>it's been a long time since i've been on IRC... back when i was a college kid
19:43<captain>2002'ish
19:43<captain>there was always a "best place" for something... alas... everything's changed
19:44<goodger>yes, everything's a bit fragmented now
19:44<captain>irc.nixhelp.org was pretty awesome... i was a slackware'er back then
19:45<yfk>oh, another thing. I've got this cheap keyboard(wireless for that matter) and it has all these stupid buttons all around. how can I catch them so that I could assign them to something usefull?
19:45<captain>ya things have gotten complicated these days too with udev... alsa... stuff i hadn't really touched
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19:46<captain>i'm not sure if this is a kernel module issue... a /dev issue... or what
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19:46<gsimmons>!tell yfk -about multimedia keys
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19:49<yfk>gsimmons: kewl, lots of code :), thanks
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19:51<adb>oops
19:52<SSolutions>Hello.. I have 1x 120GB IDE HD and 3x 320GB SATA HDs.. I want to partition it.. RAID is not an option.. could someone please help me partitioning it?? It'll mainly operate as a Home Server/HTTP/DNS etc..
19:52<jae>Wow, first time I installed a *dpkg* version from experimental :P
19:56<jae>And it didn't even fix git-core
19:56*jae notes to self: read the error message *carefully*
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19:57<azeem>jae: it's *very* unlikely that upgrading dpkg fixes package errors
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19:57<sylarr>anyone knows how to read temps from quad core?
19:58<ml>my monitor goes blank after some period of time, I have no screensaver installed powermanagement, will editing /etc/console-tools/config line POWERDOWN_TIME=30 to 0 prevent the monitor from blanking?
19:58<jae>azeem: If the bug is in the package (like in this case) then yes
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19:58<jae>But there's 102144, ancient, and it's (finally) fixed in 1.15
19:58<ubuntu>hi
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19:59<ubuntu>using kubuntu live cd so i could get in here
19:59<ubuntu>did netinstall
20:00<ubuntu>don't know how to configure x server for net install of debian
20:00<ubuntu>using ppc version
20:00<ubuntu>can anyone help me
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20:02<ubuntu>have it installed just when reboot i get x server not starting and then the stuff comes up about the bc driver not being stalled
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20:03<yfk_>!tell yfk_ -about multimedia keys
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20:04<joshua2138>ubuntu, did you change the conf on /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
20:04<ubuntu>don't know how to do
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20:05<yfk_>is this some kinda parody on ubuntu users?!
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20:05<ubuntu>no is this is the way konversation gave id
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20:05<yfk_>oh
20:06<ubuntu>i was using fedora 10
20:06<Athunye>ubuntu: Xorg -configure && cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf should do the basic for you.
20:07<ubuntu>so i just need to type that in when i reboot the system n kubuntu cd ejects out
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20:07<Athunye>ubuntu: Basically that.
20:07<revertTS>why is gdb-doc, which is under the GFDL license, considered nonfree?
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20:08<themill>revertTS: the gfdl isn't necessarily a free licence though
20:08<ubuntu>thx i was talking to steam the person who is part of the ppc site and he told me about debian and how it supports ppc better
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20:08<themill>dpkg: tell revertTS about gfdl
20:08<Athunye>ubuntu: He is right. :D
20:09<revertTS>themill: thanks
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20:10<ubuntu>k wrote that all down now rebooting hope i get it working now so i don't have come back using live cd
20:10<themill>revertTS: no worries. It basically comes down to the fact that some gfdl documents can place onerous restrictions on reuse, such as requiring an anthology of Stallmans writings be reproduced on an emacs cheat-sheet if it were derived from the emacs documentation.
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20:15<yfk_>!tell yfk_ -about xmodmap
20:16<captain>!help repeat
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20:17<captain>hmm... what's a reasonable question repeat interval here?
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20:18<adama>I have some very strage problem, all of a sudden I can't browse to any pages, or log into any remote server with ssh. However all my existing ssh sessions are fine, and this irssi is fine, I'm online on Pidgin, can see people signing in and out but can't receive or send messages. ...????
20:18<adama>ping works fine
20:18<adama>ssh and web browsing sits and does nothing forever
20:19<captain>adama: does it matter whether you use the ip or the dns?
20:19<adama>no. some of the sites I use are in /etc/hosts and they don't work either
20:19<adama>ping google.com resolves and pings, all fine.
20:19<adama>AND
20:19<captain>wow
20:20<adama>I have another computer hanging off of eth1 (this one is the GW) and it works fine for everything
20:20<captain>i had something like this happen
20:20<captain>it was my wifi device kernel module
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20:20<adama>no wireless here
20:20<adama>I tried /etc/networking restart
20:20<adama>err. with init.d in there
20:20<captain>right and i would doubt you have my same exact exotic hardware anyway
20:21<captain>are you doing any iptables/ipchains on that box?
20:21<joshua2138>adama did you try tcpdump -i ethX and take the time to verify if packets are going in & out?
20:21<captain>good idea...
20:22<joshua2138>thxs :P
20:22<joshua2138>jeje
20:22<adama>captain: just one rule for the gateway functionality for my private subnet
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20:23<captain>adama: joshua2138's suggestion is a good place to start
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20:23<adama>like this is my workstation, but is also a gateway for testing boxen etc. so it has dhcp3-server running and stuff. And like I said, boxes behind this gateway traverse the www no problem, all traffic going through this one
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20:23<adama>I will tcpdump and see if I see anything unusual
20:24<jae>Hmm, is there any document that describes which partition/volume schemes are allowed?
20:24<Steven_M>hi all
20:24<captain>jae: are you trying to preserve the data on there?
20:25<jae>I'm just wondering if a failed hard link between /usr/bin and /usr/lib can be considered a bug, or if that's "user's fault"
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20:25<jae>Because I'm current deinstalling sid's git-core, as it shows that failure
20:26<dkr>any idea how to make my system stop making a console beep each time I delete a file from desktop or via nautilus? it started happening after etch->lenny upgrade. maybe it's a nautilus setting I am just not seeing in gconf?
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20:27<joshua2138>dkr, alsamixer I think it's the one that says pcm
20:27<joshua2138>try lower that one
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20:28<captain>jae: ? what do you mean a failed hardlink between /usr/bin and /usr/lib...
20:28<Steven_M>iceweasel is displaying pictures with blocky edges, any idea how to fix it?
20:28<captain>i thought that hardlinking directories is bad practice... and anyway, those two should not be linked anyway
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20:28<dkr>joshua2138: I appreciate that effort, but that is not a useful solution. :) pcm is not for the console beep
20:28<captain>i'm probably misunderstanding you
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20:29<jae>captain: I mean this:
20:29<jae>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/git-core_1%3a1.6.2-1_i386.deb (--unpack): error creating hard link `./usr/bin/git': Invalid cross-device link
20:29<dpkg>jae: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
20:29<captain>lol
20:30<jae>Yeah, I was wondering myself why dpkg claimed it wasn't an error (and then remembered dpkg being a bot :D)
20:30<captain>he/she thought you were addressing him/her
20:30<k1lumin4t1>I just added a new harddrive to my PC. I haven't even built a FS on top of it. I have a LVM setup with one volume group and two logical volumes over one physical volume. One of the LV is for home which is now full. If I add this new drive to tle home logical volume would I still be able to discern wether I have my data on muy previous HD or in this new one?
20:30<captain>i prefer to think of her as a her...
20:31<captain>i think i get what you're saying now jae... you've put /usr/bin and /usr/lib on separate filesystems
20:31<jae>Yup
20:31<captain>and now some package is nagging cause it can't make a hardlink across them
20:31<jae>git-core 1.6.2-1 has ./usr/bin/git link to ./usr/lib/git-core/git-diff-tree
20:32<jae>Nagging is an understatement... it gets to an "apt-get -f" state :P
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20:32<fenix>oi
20:32<captain>hmm... i seem to remember a page somewhere with "best practices" on this stuff
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20:34<jae>The weird thing is, this was introduced in -1 only, I checked the 1.6.2~rc* debs, and they didn't have the /usr/bin/git hard link
20:35<jae>Though some had /usr/bin<->/usr/lib hard links (I didn't try to install them)
20:35<joshua2138>dkr, "xset b off"
20:35<jae>captain: best practices on what? Using hard links in debs? Or on partitioning?
20:36<jae>As to the latter... yes, a "best practices" would be nice. Especially in the context of LVM (and heavy use thereof)
20:36<jae>I'll write a bugreport tonight I think (just have to fix up my mail system to reach the outside world :D)
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20:37<jae>Too long since the last PR for/from me :D
20:37<captain>in partitioning
20:37<dkr>joshua2138: I don't want to trun off the bell. it is quite useful when there is some console output on another virtual desktop to let me know about it. I just don't want the bell ringing when I delete a file. :)
20:37<captain>i thought it was somewhere in the FHS
20:37<captain>i'm looking there now, though, and can't find it :/
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20:38<joshua2138>dkr, it seems that i don't have any luck with you :D
20:38<jae>I think it's a "unwritten best practice". Like split, but it's never said "don't split too much". At least I've never seen it (in my decade-plus use of Debian)
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20:54<pcroque>Hi. When I mount luks encrypted sd cards/usb keys using pmount, I'd like them to be automatically and cleanly unmounted at shutdown (fs gets corrupted currently). Is this possible or must I unmount each manually using pumount? Thanks.
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21:01<valdyn>pcroque: have you tried? this works fine by default
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21:04<pcroque>I tested it several times (pmount sdb1; shutdown -h now; restart; pmount sdb1; fs won't mount due to fs errors). If I pumount sdb1 first, it seems to work fine.
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21:05<pcroque>The shutdown messages on screen seem to indicate that crypted disks are being unmounted.
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21:20<userspace>fresh install is halting. cant boot into system. lenny
21:20<userspace>is anyone around?
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21:23<adb> is halting , yes ...but where ? more details about hardware/installing too
21:24<userspace>had etch installed. did clean install of lenny. encrypted lvm. halting right after i enter passphrase. well, fsck runs a check and the last text on the page is 'done'. then nothing.
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21:25<adb>check caps lock taste before passphrase
21:26<userspace>no. passphrase is accpted. lvm is unlocked. then fsck is run...
21:27<adb>so maybe do a reboot to fix fscked files
21:27<userspace>no. the system just halts. i have to reboot manually. it wont go past the fsck check.
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21:28<userspace>and fsck returns a 'done' with no errors
21:29<adb>after reboot manually , a new fsck check is done ?
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21:30<userspace>it's not a full fsck check. it just says fsck check then prints out some info about the drive, then says 'done'
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21:30<userspace>it doesn't go through the whole progress bar, taking a long time, check
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21:31<adb>its a large hard drive ?
21:31<userspace>not really
21:31<userspace>no
21:32<userspace>enouf you around?
21:32<adb>not tonight
21:33<userspace>gsimmons
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21:34<userspace>santa?
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22:25<captain>i think it's safe to ask again... :P
22:25<captain> hey all... i've got a sound issue on random bootups - sometimes, flash player doesn't play sounds, esound doesn't work, and selecting "ALSA" from the list in the gnome sound preferences makes no applications play sounds... other bootups everything is fine... anyone wanna try to tackle that one?
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22:36<yownanymous>soooo
22:36<yownanymous>how is everyone?
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22:39<goodger>yownanymous: I'm bloody tired. how are you? :S
22:40<yownanymous>I'm sort of tired, it's 20 to 3 in the morning in the UK, but I can't sleep
22:40<yownanymous>on top of that, I have two music exams tomorrow
22:42<yownanymous>on the plus side, I'm listening to Pink Floyd like there'll be no more progressive rock tomorrow :P
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22:44<goodger>I also am in the UK; I have to be awake at 8 for college, and for various reasons I am forced to stay up all night
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22:45<yownanymous>lol
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22:45<yownanymous>I should really go to bed, soon
22:45<yownanymous>I'll go when dark side of the moon is finished
22:46<goodger>\o/
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22:47<yownanymous>P||\||< |=|_()Y|) :D
22:48<yownanymous>dunno why I'm even here, I don't use debian, although I do like i
22:48<yownanymous>like it*
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22:48<dust>maybe youre here to answer my question!
22:48<yownanymous>about what?
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22:48<dust>Im having issues with xrandr
22:49<yownanymous>nah, that's not what I'm here for...
22:49<dust>ah well.
22:49<dust>thanks anyway.
22:49<dust>anyone else know much about xrandr?
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22:50<yownanymous>maybe something fateful will happen
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22:50<dust>with all these people it's bound to sooner or later
22:51<yownanymous>maybe my life will vastly improve or (I wish) I will somehow go backwards in time and correct a few things
22:51<yownanymous>that I shouldn't have done
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22:52<dust>it's never too late to change
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22:52<yownanymous>if you were in my position I'm not sure you'd say that all too readily
22:53<dust>ah, well if you were in my positon you might agree with me (about you)
22:54<goodger>:S
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22:54<goodger>dust: I'm afraid I know nothing about xrandr, before you ask
22:54<dust>lol
22:55<dust>how about xorg resolutions?
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22:55<goodger>yownanymous: it is rarely too late to correct something you did previously; my father recently graduated from university at the age of 53
22:55<goodger>dust: anything in particular about them?
22:55<yownanymous>yes, but how about doing something that other people can't forgive you for?
22:56<dust>I just dist-upgraded to lenny from etch, and it's jammed my max resolution down to 800x600 (ignoring my xorg.conf)
22:56<dust>for some reason xrandr thinks 800 is the max
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22:57<dust>yownanymous: if you truely regret doing something, and you act accordingly, another person failing to forgive you is a failing in them, not you
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23:01<goodger>dust: can't help you there, sorry
23:01<dust>thanks anyway
23:02<yownanymous>I think lenny is pretty unstable tbh
23:02<yownanymous>from what I've seen on it
23:03<goodger>I couldn't disagree more
23:03<dust>well, my upgrade has been flawless aside from this, and the graphics still works, just a a lower res than I had
23:03<yownanymous>I mean in comparison to etch
23:04<goodger>lenny has been perfectly stable within my use case for nearly a year
23:04<goodger>it has been better than etch at handling many things, too
23:04<goodger>especially the new aptitude
23:04<dust>I think Im just hit by a change of systems for controlling xorg
23:04<yownanymous>I use ubuntu mainly, so I haven't used it that much...
23:04<dust>lol
23:05<yownanymous>but ubuntu is debian-based so...
23:05<dust>indeed.
23:05<adb>dust: add this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/30474/
23:05<goodger>dust: this will seem controversial, but try renaming xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bak and seeing what happens --- the modern xorg is remarkably good at autodetection
23:05<goodger>in the event that adb's thing doesn't work
23:05<yownanymous>just wish that debian had a wubi-type thing that didn't involve partitioning, then I'd use it :(
23:05<chitchat>Can someone please help me? I'm trying to work out the right way to do this in Debian. I am installing a package from sources that needs the ffmpeg source installed (it's looking for header files). Problem is, ffmpeg is installed in binary form from debian-multimedia. I couldn't find an ffmpeg-dev or equivalent. Any suggestions on how I should proceed?
23:05<goodger>yownanymous: ubuntu can no longer be said to derive many of its qualities from debian...
23:06<goodger>what is wubi?
23:06<yownanymous>*collapses*
23:06<yownanymous>:P
23:06<goodger>chitchat: you can get a deb-src line for d-m somewhere AFAIK, but d-m is not technically supported here
23:07<yownanymous>wubi creates a virtual disk within your windows filesystem, installs ubuntu on it and then modifies the bootloader
23:07<dust>adb: Im still using my etch xorg.conf, and the xserver sais it is reading it in when I start X, but the settings seem to be overridden by xrandr
23:07<dust>(which is messing up its autodetection)
23:07<dust>but I shall give your lines a go... thanks
23:07<adb>or paste your conf
23:08<adb>restart x with my modif first
23:09<dust>adb: (part of) my current xorg.conf at:
23:09<dust>http://paste.debian.net/30475/
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23:10<adb>and this conf get only 800x ?
23:11<yownanymous>this is taking a while...
23:11<yownanymous>aren't you going in circles a little bit? :|
23:11<dust>yeah, 800x600. shall paste my xrandr output to show you what Im stuck with...
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23:12<adb>put than >> HorizSync 28-75
23:12<dust>http://paste.debian.net/30476/
23:12<Silicium01>When you ssh into a remote machine, is password sent in plain text or is it encripted?
23:13<adb>dust: ok , try my last modif
23:13<dust>so where (in xorg.conf) should the HorizSync line go?
23:14<adb>Section "Device"
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23:14<dust>ah... ok. will have to restart x. brb
23:14<adb>line 11 in http://paste.debian.net/30475/
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23:15<skimp>can someone help me real quick, trying to hop in bed hah, bringing this eee on the plane tommorrow 5 hr ride, trying to get a video player working
23:15<dmoerner>is this failure to upgrade bzr on sid reproducible? http://paste.debian.net/30477/
23:15<skimp>ive got 3 movies on here, all avii's
23:15<skimp>im trying to get mplayer installed... big noob here
23:15<GhostlyDeath>when I use SSH with -C with -L and/or -R, does the forwarded data get compressed or not?
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23:15<skimp>ive done aptitude install mplayer, i cant find in on the computer tho
23:15<Silicium01>GhostlyDeath, afaik -C is compresion
23:16<GhostlyDeath>yes
23:16<chitchat>goodger: Thanks for that. I had a look on the d-m web site and they have a pretty good listing of files and I managed to find that the headers I need are actually in libavcodec-dev. Is there a way to query generally 'which package in my repository list provides file X'?
23:16<GhostlyDeath>normal ssh stuff is compressed, I was just wondering if forwarded stuff is compressed also
23:16<goodger>chitchat: as it happens, yes; see apt-file :)
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23:17<chitchat>goodger: sorry again for the stupid question, but what is apt-file? Is it a program (in which case I don't have it).
23:17<adb>install it
23:17<dust>adb: I gave the higher HorizSync a try, but get the same effect
23:18<adb>+ >> comment Option "UseFBDev" "true"
23:18<dust>kk
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23:18<adb>line 5 in http://paste.debian.net/30475/
23:18<chitchat>adb: Gotcha. I assumed that it came as standard with apt-get. Thanks.
23:18<skimp>i cant get any movie players installed... whats a nice one that will play most formats
23:18<adb>np
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23:19<goodger>chitchat: it's available as a package in the repositories; once it's installed, apt-file update, then apt-file search filename
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23:19<skimp>whats the eee channel
23:20<craigevil>skimp: #debian-eeepc
23:20<skimp>ahh craig, long time no see
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23:20<goodger>evening craigevil
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23:21<dust>adb: still the same...
23:22<adb> so , change Driver from "ati" to "radeon" | line 3 in ...
23:22<dust>are there other sections of xorg.conf that might be relevant? I could paste the whole thing...
23:22<adb>no , its ok
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23:23<dust>eh: Ive got dri in the module loading section
23:23<dust>is that ok?
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23:23<adb>not important
23:24<dust>right... trying again
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23:25<dust>still no love...
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23:25<adb>i see
23:25<dust>btw, I'm accumulating these changes to xorg.conf, right?
23:25<dust>/ it all of them at once
23:26<adb>? i'm not sure what you said
23:27<dust>oh, sorry... so now my xorg.conf has the new HorizSync, the new Driver and no more FBdev lines at the same time.
23:27<adb>ah , ok
23:27<dust>or should I have bee reverting each one when it didnt work?
23:28<blackdragon42>Hello.
23:28<adb>not it must be ok like that -with all news modifs
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23:29<skimp>did aptitude install vlc
23:29<skimp>seemed like it went
23:29<skimp>cant find vlc unnder my applications tho
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23:30<skimp>lemme goto available apps when i try and open it and dload from there
23:30<dust>adb: when I type 'xresprobe ati' the detected resolution is right (1024x768) so I dont know where xrandr is getting its info from
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23:33<Silicium01>How do I know if I'm using ssh1 or ssh2? be it the client or server
23:34<adb> ssh -v
23:34<Silicium01>adb, it shows openssh version but not ssh1 or 2
23:35<Silicium01>or is p1 protocol 1?
23:35<adb>debian use only openssh
23:36<Silicium01>adb, I know but is it protocol 1 or 2?
23:36<adb>i dunno
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23:37<adb>ssh - OpenSSH SSH client
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23:38<adb>man ssh
23:38<dust>silicum01: the package info just says 'OpenSSH, a free implementation of the
23:38<dust>Secure Shell protocol as specified by the IETF secsh working group'...
23:38<dust>but the lobssh2-1 package is a SSH2 client-side library, so Id say it uses that
23:39<dust>... er, libssh, not lobssh
23:40<adb>ssh secure shell client and server (metapackage)
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23:41<adb>dust: a simple dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does what ?
23:41<dust>ah I tried that but there's no dpkg-reconfigure on my system... did the upgrade remove it?
23:41<adb>same 800x640 or so ?
23:42<Silicium01>man ssh shows that there is a way to enforce prtocol to be used with ssh, so I guess it's both
23:42<adb>normally no
23:42<Supaplex>dust: as root?
23:42<dust>lol... thanks!
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23:42<dust>I thought that was a bit fishy
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23:44<Supaplex>dust: either that, or you were on something non debian. :P
23:45<dust>no, pure debian, etch to lenny dist-upgrade
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23:48<dust>adb: hey! that was it!
23:48<dust>adb: thanks so much for your help
23:48<adb>?
23:49<adb>np
23:49<dust>having run dpkg-reconfigure it's come up in the right mode now
23:49<dust>sorry to be such a noob
23:49<adb>sweet home lenny
23:49<dust>^_^
23:50<dust>have a good night!
23:50<Supaplex>we'll send you our bill.
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23:50<dust>rofl
23:50<Supaplex>;)
23:50<dust>will pay with pleasure
23:50<dust>cheers
23:50<adb>a vacancy in AU
23:50<adb>heh
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23:54<wpgmb>ok... OldMonk; jpinx logged in from Knoppix disc... problem trying to solve is still the same
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23:55<wpgmb>where's the pastebin
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23:56<Supaplex>!paste
23:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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23:58<Supaplex>now where did I leave disc 2... humm
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23:59<wpgmb>pastebin 30478 This is my current layout. Yet - I can't seem to properly install a basic Debian system, install MBR and get up and running.... I keep getting Grub error
23:59<wpgmb>oops.. http://paste.debian.net/30478/
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