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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-15

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00:00<schmichael>oh, and debian calls firefox "iceweasel" :(
00:00<schmichael>other than that, it should be very similar :)
00:00<oodug>yeah I noticed that, wtf?
00:00<schmichael>legal issues
00:00<oodug>it still has all the same functionality though?
00:00<schmichael>exactly
00:01<schmichael>only the name is changed
00:01<schmichael>because its trademarked
00:01<schmichael>but most distributions don't worry about that because mozilla really doesn't care if distributions use the name firefox
00:01<schmichael>(legally only binaries from mozilla can use the name)
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00:01<tcsetattr>Firefox said "if you use our name, you have to do security updates our way". Debian said "we have policies that conflict with your way". Firefox said "tough shit, take our name off it then"
00:02<oodug>ahh, I see.
00:02<schmichael>iceweasel is just a very unfortunate name imho
00:02<oodug>I agree...
00:02<schmichael>shitfox would have been about as friendly
00:02<oodug>haha.
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00:03<oodug>Ok another question and this one may require a specialist
00:03<schmichael>just ask :)
00:03<schmichael>and be patient
00:03<oodug>can lenny run on a ppc machine the same as on any other architecture?
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00:03<schmichael>yes, however some packages may not be available
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00:04<oodug>with these distros can I run web hosting from a desktop environment or do I need to install the "server" version or something similar
00:05<oodug>hmmm maybe that's a silly question
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00:05<oodug>I get the feeling you can do just about whatever you want in linux
00:05<tcsetattr>Debian doesn't have a server "edition" ... it's just a matter of selecting the packages you want
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00:05<tcsetattr>there's a "Task selector" which lets you choose braod categories like "Web server" and have it install everything that fits in that category
00:06<oodug>sounds handy
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00:07<kurichan>hello
00:07<oodug>I hear debian has great hardware support- will I have to fiddle around to get my internet drivers and things working or should my computer just work
00:07<kurichan>yes
00:08<kurichan>exit
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00:08<schmichael>oodug: things *should* just work, however things like hardware accelerated 3d for nvidia graphics cards may take a little poking around
00:09<schmichael>oodug: some wifi cards can take a bit of work as well, so having a wired connection handy is a good idea
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00:13<oodug>where do you think the best resources are online for further reading?
00:13<oodug>I've been poking around the debian site but I don't find it particularly transparent... probably because I haven't used linux yet
00:15<schmichael>oodug: the debian site can be a bit... obtuse
00:15<schmichael>oodug: try the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/
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00:21<oodug>what command are you using to message me? msg opens this mini channel that I don't want
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00:25<schmichael>i'm just typing your name
00:25<schmichael>actually just: oo<TAB>
00:26<schmichael>and my irc client completes your name :)
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00:27<Silicium01>I need to send mail from machine with hostname "host.domain1.com" where the DNS records are, but wantto be able to send mail from this machine for "domain2.com" as well so this is what my SPF record looks like: "v=spf1 a a:domain2.com ~all" Is this correct?
00:28<oodug>schmichael: wow it works for me too... IRC sure is swell. Well thanks again have a great night
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00:47<tazzy>noob here. i'm having trouble installing firefox. could use some help, please.
00:48<gokee2>Hello all, I am trying to get a Hauppauge PVR-150 to work on Debian Lenny. I guess it comes with the kernel because I get "dpkg: error processing /usr/src/ivtv-modules-2.6.26-1-686_1.2.0-1+2.6.26-13_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/saa717x.ko', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.26-1-686" if I try and do "m-a a-i ivtv" if I do "v4l2-ctl --all" I get "Failed to open /dev
00:48<gokee2>/video0: No such device or address" It is there as file says "/dev/video0: character special". In dmesg I have things like "[512114.063265] ivtv0: Unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 376836 bytes) [512114.063347] ivtv0: Did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?" Anyone know what should be done? A lot of documentation seems to be fore etch, it seems there was no module provided with
00:48<gokee2> the kernel?
00:49<gokee2>tazzy, Real firefox or iceweasel?
00:49<tazzy>gokee:real firefox
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00:50<gokee2>tazzy, I see, so what are you trying? Official Firefox or a deb you found somewhere? And what goes wrong?
00:51<tazzy>gokee: official firefox. i get the download but am lost from there. just recently switched from XP and i'm still learning debian environment
00:51<tazzy>gokee2:also, have extracted d/l
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00:54<gokee2>tazzy, Hmm, last time I did real firefox I did "cd /usr/opt && tar zxf firefox-2.0.0.2.tar.gz firefox && ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox"
00:55<gokee2>tazzy, If you have the tar untared you should be able to just run firefox though
00:55<tazzy>gokee2: whew! i have no idea what you just wrote
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00:56<gokee2>tazzy, Heh, if you open up the firefox folder is there something called firefox you can run?
00:56<tazzy>i already have file extracted to /firefox directory
00:56<stew>tazzy: "aptitude install iceweasel"
00:57<tazzy>yes, it runs but it keeps asking me if i want to run it or run from terminal, cancel, etc
00:57<tazzy>stew: what
00:57<tazzy>stew: what's iceweasel
00:57<gokee2>tazzy, So do "cd /firefox" (Why would you put it at the root of your filesystem?) then "./firefox" whats that give you?
00:58<stew>tazzy: debian's fork of firefox, which is the same as firefox except the artwork and name has changed
00:58<tazzy>it's not at root
00:58<gokee2>tazzy, iceweasel is the debian version of firefox
00:58<stew>tazzy: debian has firefox but debian isn't allowed to use the firefox trademark
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00:59<tazzy>./firefox gives me "bash: ./firefox: No such file or directory"
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01:01<tazzy>dir
01:02<gokee2>tazzy, Are you inside the firefox directory? Although if you don`t have a reason for wanting firefox instead of iceweasel you really should go the iceweasel route as Debian updates that so it gets updated along with your other packages and does some other Debian patching
01:02<tazzy>yes, i'm inside the firefox dir
01:03<tazzy>i know nothing of iceweasel, firefox i used on XP
01:03<tazzy>currently using epiphany webbrowser
01:03<stew>tazzy: "aptitude install iceweasel && iceweasel" it IS firefox
01:04<gokee2>tazzy, iceweasel is firefox with a different name, everything else is the same (except for a few things to make it work better in Debian)
01:04<tazzy>okay, will try using iceweasel. thanks. does it support flash, etc?
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01:06<gokee2>tazzy, Same as firefox there, you will need a plugin, gnash is the free one or you can opt for the non-free (no cost) flash
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01:08<tazzy>thanks, just checking it out now.
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01:09<Gekz>swfdec
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01:29<digifor>I have a strange thing with my mouse pointer. I looks like a square blob. How do I fix?
01:30<jesus_was_real>put some jizz on it
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02:08<k1lumin4t1> I'm getting this output when trying to create a ext3 FS using mkfs: http://pastebin.ca/1361283
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02:15<potyl>Hello. I have a fresh install of debian lenny and I'm having problems with my sound card. After each reboot I need to reconfigure alsa twice with "sudo alsaconf" and then fix the mixers manually.
02:15<potyl>This is truly annoying, how can I make alsa's configuration persistent across reboots?
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02:30<kurumin>OI
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02:47<Morty>Is there a built-in method to backout packages under Debian? I suppose there is always restoring from backup. And I suppose I could just keep packages in the apt-cache, and should I need to back something out, run dpkg -i $oldfile.deb. Neither solution seems ideal, though. Traditional OSs normally store backout information for patches; does Debian have something similar?
02:47<ds08>moin
02:48<Morty>Morning.
02:49<ds08>anyone from germany here?
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02:51<rain>hey is there a linux program... (or way) to rewrite a cd-r like BurnAgain(for Mac) can?
02:52<dondelelcaro>Morty: backout in what way? upgrades necessarily involve one way functions, so it's not possible to revert on command
02:52<dondelelcaro>Morty: that said, the previous versions are available via snapshot.debian.net or similar
02:53<Morty>dondelelcaro: on other OSs, such as Solaris and Windows, all files touched during a patch are backed up to a patch-specific directory. If you need to backout the patch, the older files are restored. I was hoping for a Debian equivalent.
02:54<dondelelcaro>Morty: you can do the same by using lvm with a checkpoint
02:55<dondelelcaro>Morty: but as far as operating system-related things go, everything that Debian distributes is in a package, and you can easily go to the previous version
02:55<Morty>dondelelcaro: indeed. But nothing within the package manager?
02:55<dondelelcaro>Morty: so the whole concept of "patches" is kind of backwards
02:55<dondelelcaro>Morty: as far as the package manager is concerned, you just install the old version
02:56<gokee2>Morty, You can remove --purge
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02:56<Morty>dondelelcaro: I'm familiar with the difference between Debian packages and other OS patches. I just want a way built into Debian to do proper patch backouts.
02:56<Morty>s/patch backouts/package backouts/ ;)
02:56<dondelelcaro>there's no way to sanely revert packages
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02:57<dondelelcaro>the most you can get is either an LVM, which is total, or installing the old, which we already give
02:57<dondelelcaro>what windows and solaris do is try to give you parts of the LVM, but only for things that are registered and use their API
02:57<Morty>Ick. That means reverting everything. Not good if a bunch of other state has changed, and I just want to backout the one package.
02:57<dondelelcaro>Morty: then you just install the old version of that one package
02:58<gsimmons>Gokee2: Yes, saa717x.ko was included in kernel 2.6.26, use of 'ivtv-source' is not necessary. You're required to provide the requested firmware from the associated Windows driver, see http;//ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
02:58<rain>hey is there a linux program... (or way) to rewrite a cd-r like BurnAgain(for Mac) can?
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02:59<dondelelcaro>rain: if you ask a specific question about what burnagain actually does, someone may have an example. That said, if you mean re-burning already burned cd-rs, I'm not aware of such a thing
02:59<dondelelcaro>rain: furthermore, given the low cost of cd-rs, you might as well just use a new one
02:59<Morty>dondelelcaro: is Debian designed to allow that? I thought packages weren't designed for downgrading?
02:59<dondelelcaro>(if you mean cd-rws, any of the cd writing packages can handle erasing them)
03:00<Morty>rain: that should be physically impossible. How does it work?
03:00<dondelelcaro>Morty: they aren't designed for downgrading, because there's no way to do that.
03:00<Morty>dondelelcaro: then how does installing an old version work?
03:00<rain>morty: not sure, but it seems apple came up with a way...
03:00<dondelelcaro>Morty: in most cases, installing an old version will just work, because there's no need to do anything special
03:00<potyl>rain: i think that what you need is to burn your CD in UDF format http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format
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03:01<Gokee2>gsimmons, Hmm, I have not seen that page thanks
03:01<dondelelcaro>Morty: however, if the new version involves a change in on-disk binary formats (say, a major version upgrade in a db), then there's no way to revert that.
03:01<Morty>rain: by any chance, are you talking about CDRs that are burned only partially, and Apple is letting you append?
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03:01<rain>Morty: nope, somehow it just enables you to write over cdrs..
03:01<dondelelcaro>(and frankly, there's pretty much no way in hell that solaris's or window's system can downgrade that sanely either, so it's not like it gains you much)
03:01<Morty>rain: if so, look for multisession support. I think k3b can do it. [mkisofs/cdrecord can do it if you are command-line person.]
03:02<rain>thank you potyl>
03:02<potyl>rain: i remember doing that in windows 8 years ago :)
03:02<rain>cool
03:02<Morty>dondelelcaro: I understand about the limitations; I've encountered them.
03:02<potyl>rain: at the end the magical trick was just a special formatting of the CD in UDF.
03:03<potyl>rain: although I never tried it in linux. I don't how to do it.
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03:03<dondelelcaro>Morty: ok; just making sure we're on the same page here.
03:03*dondelelcaro has actually designed systems to do revertable downgrades in Debian
03:03<Morty>dondelelcaro: however, especially if booting is broken on a remote system 1000s of miles away, it's nice to be able to remote access the box via remote serial terminal and do a backout.
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03:04<dondelelcaro>Morty: so you just access the machine via a remote serial terminal, and install the previous version of the package, and if necessary, clean it up manually.
03:04<potyl>Can someone help me with my sound configuration? :'(
03:04<potyl>After each reboot I need to configure alsa, otherwise I get no sound
03:04<Morty>dondelelcaro: not if it won't boot, and I can only bring it up without network. Can't download packages. :(
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03:05<dondelelcaro>Morty: uh... you'll always have the old kernel version insitalled
03:05<dondelelcaro>(unless you've specifically gotten rid of the kernel version which you're actually running, which is all kinds of stupid)
03:05<Morty>dondelelcaro: if the problem is kernel and not something else, like the netkit stuff.
03:06<dondelelcaro>Morty: if the problem is the netkit stuff, it's still possible to get network working
03:06<dondelelcaro>Morty: and worst comes to worst, you can always send stuff over the serial line
03:06<Morty>dondelelcaro: <shrug>. OK. I haven't yet had a case where I needed to do this, but I'm being paranoid, because preparing to do some upgrades.
03:06<Gokee2>potyl, What are you using to configure alsa? I thought alsaconf was gone?
03:07<potyl>alsaconf!
03:07<potyl>that's what I got told to do yesterday
03:07<dondelelcaro>Morty: this is why you have test systems which are set up exactly the same as the machines that you are going to upgrade, and you upgrade them first.
03:07<Morty>potyl: by any chance, is it because the volume isn't coming on by default?
03:07<potyl>and then I need to go to alsamix and toggle analog output
03:07<Gokee2>potyl, Really? You on etch?
03:07<potyl>lenny
03:07<potyl>fresh installed from yesterday
03:08<dondelelcaro>!tell potyl -about alsa checklist
03:08<Morty>dondelelcaro: yeah, I do that. Except when I went from sarge=>etch, I had *one* box that didn't want to come up correctly. And it was in another continent.
03:08<dondelelcaro>potyl: follow what dpkg said
03:08<potyl> Morty: at first the sound card is not detected, i need to run alsaconf and then I get no sound, which I fix by toggling the analog sound through alsamix
03:08<dondelelcaro>Morty: it happens; it's why serial consoles are a necessity
03:08<Morty>I never did figure out why.
03:09<Morty>dondelelcaro: yup.
03:09<Gokee2>potyl, Really? Where did you find alsaconf? I thought it was gone in Lenny?
03:09<potyl>dondelelcaro: that's exactly what I got told yesterday :D
03:09<Morty>potyl: see if maybe some modules get loaded after running alsaconf. If they are, add them to /etc/modules.
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03:09<potyl>Gokee2: alsaconf is there (i think) at least I have it
03:09<dondelelcaro>potyl: and you followed those instructions, and what happened?
03:10<dondelelcaro>you pretty much shouldn't have to run alsaconf at all
03:10<potyl>dondelelcaro: as I said at first nothing because I had no sound, after I played with alsamixe then it all worked.
03:11<Gokee2>Ah there it is, I was not root. I thought it was going away in Lenny? Well I am happy to see its still there.
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03:11<ubuntu>hello
03:11<ubuntu>e
03:11<potyl>the problem is that I need to do manually: "sudo alsaconf" (sometimes twice) and the "sudo alsamixer"
03:11<ubuntu>
03:11<ubuntu>hello
03:11<Morty>potyl: if the problem gets fixed after playing with alsamixer, then your problem is just that the sound is defaulting to volum 0. Can fix that with a script if you don't like it.
03:11<ubuntu>how are you?
03:11<ubuntu>what happend?
03:12<dondelelcaro>potyl: if the sound is defaulting to zero, run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop; /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start;
03:12<potyl>Morty: the problem is worse because in the beginning "asoundconf list" gives me no card
03:12<streuner_>ubuntu: please read /topic
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03:12<streuner_>hm
03:12<potyl> Morty: I added a few modules to /etc/modules but it doesn't help
03:13<Morty>potyl: did you reboot?
03:13<potyl>many times
03:14<Morty>potyl: I'm confused. In the last few minutes, you managed to run alsaconf, learn which new modules get loaded, added them to /etc/modules, and rebooted many times?
03:14<potyl>The card was working before with many versions of ubuntu (8.04 and less) so I saved the results of lsmod, did a diff and added the missing modules to /etc/modules. But after each reboot I still need to configure the sound
03:14<potyl> Morty: yes, exactly and after each reboot i need to reconfigure alsa
03:15<potyl>Morty: what's funny is that sometimes alsa doesn't find the sound card so I need to run it a second time!
03:15<Morty>potyl: you are running ubuntu rather than Debian?
03:15<potyl>Morty: No, yesterday I installed Debian.
03:16<streuner_>*bunt* doesnt use alsaconf...
03:16<potyl>Morty: although before this computer had Ubuntu
03:16<potyl>streuner_: so what do you use? I don't care which sound system I use as long as I get sound.
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03:17<streuner_>well, we hadnt many problems (sound) at all
03:17<potyl>lucky you!
03:18<streuner_>specially this problem is pretty much history in Debian, IIRC
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03:18<enouf>alsactl -store
03:18<Morty>potyl: what are you using for sound?
03:18<enouf>but .. install alsa-oss pkg
03:18<potyl>Morty: you mean the player?
03:19<enouf>also /init.d/alsa replaces init.d/alsa-utils , IINM
03:19<Morty>potyl: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
03:19<enouf>!speaker-test
03:19<dpkg>it has been said that speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck>
03:19<streuner_>enouf: did you read what kind of problem he has?
03:20<enouf>no
03:20<Morty>potyl: do you have udev installed?
03:20<potyl>udev is there
03:20<enouf>pgrep udevd
03:21<potyl>it's running
03:21<streuner_>enouf: well, he cp the diffs of *bunt* to Debian and now his alsa stuff is gone after he reboot...
03:21<Morty>potyl: OK. Paste lspci -n output into URL above.
03:21<Morty>potyl: to determine what sound module *should* be working.
03:22<enouf>sounds like some gnome/kde borkage, or /etc/{modules,modprobe}/conf (that shouldn't exist), or /etc/modprobe.d/ missing module parm
03:23<enouf>streuner_: right, got that now, thanks - that's silly to do IMHO though
03:23<Morty>potyl: also, check you kernel logs (i.e. from dmesg or /var/log/kern.log) before and after getting your sound card to work.
03:24<streuner_>potyl: get the version of ALSA of *bunt* and use it just in Debian, done
03:24<enouf>i also wonder if any ~/.asound* files exist
03:24<streuner_>potyl: cat /proc/asound/version
03:24<potyl>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.16.
03:24<streuner_>thats from *bunt*?
03:25<potyl>i removed all ~/.asound* (they where making the troubleshooting more difficult)
03:25<streuner_>omg
03:25<potyl>is /etc/init.d/alsa-utils needed?
03:25<streuner_>dont bother us, just re-install Debian
03:26<potyl>I already have the proper drivers in /etc/modules, maybe this script is removing them
03:26<potyl>streuner_: this is a new debian installed yesteday
03:26<potyl>I haven't touched a single thing!
03:26<streuner_>well, you didnt make many changes yet...
03:26<streuner_>just reinstall
03:27<Morty>streuner_: um, if the problem happened once, it should happen again on reinstall.
03:27<potyl>streuner_: since I have this system it was always running linux. And the sound was working always. I don't see how reinstalling (which I did yesterday) will fix things
03:27<streuner_>but notice what kind of version *bunt* use for ALSA
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03:27<streuner_>potyl: cat /proc/asound/version - thats only important..
03:28<potyl>I did it and pasted it already
03:28<potyl>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.16.
03:28<potyl>once more
03:28<streuner_>yep, and we asked you a question about
03:28<streuner_>is that in Debian?
03:28<potyl>yes
03:28<potyl>lenny
03:29<potyl>installed from a net install
03:29<potyl>lsb_release -a Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (lenny)
03:29<fxiny>potyl: since ? how old is thaat ?
03:30<potyl>sudo apt-get upgrade: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
03:30<potyl>I installed the computer yesterday
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03:30<fxiny>you said "since I have this system it was always running linux" , how old is it ?
03:31<potyl>the machine is about 2 years old (i had various versions of ubuntu in the past, with sound)
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03:31<fxiny>my old dear opl3sa yamaha keeps on playing fine music since woody no stop
03:32<potyl>this sound card works, even in lenny. I have sound. The problem is that I need to configure it manually after each reboot.
03:32<potyl>Living the computer on is not an option :D
03:32<fxiny>never happened to me
03:33<potyl>I never did to me neither before :(
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03:34<Morty>potyl: um. Did you try (1) rebooting; (2) note current kernel logs; (3) get sound working; (4) checking for new logs?
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03:34<cahoot>install alsa-utils
03:34<streuner_>he just used alsaconf...
03:35<potyl>alsa-utils is already there
03:35<potyl>I will make a coupe of reboots. I will disconnect from IRC. Cross your fingers!
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03:36<tcsetattr>I doubt he's going to follow all those instructions.
03:36<fxiny>not using screen ? hmmm
03:36<streuner_>tcsetattr: none
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03:36<streuner_>cluebie
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03:36<tcsetattr>never got the PCI ID, did we?
03:37<streuner_>why, he told us sound working in lenny
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03:38<streuner_>so ALSA version in lenny should be ok
03:38<streuner_>or ESD :-)
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03:39<enouf>he never gave any lspci info
03:39<fxiny>enouf: !!
03:39<enouf>he was asked as well
03:39<enouf>fxiny: !!
03:39<streuner_>tcsetattr: well, besides, my PCI IDE is the same for _serveral_ chipsets...
03:40<streuner_>-E
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03:41<potyl>I have sound after a reboot! \o/
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03:41<enouf>!find init.d/alsa-utils stable
03:42<dpkg>Debian Search of 'init.d/alsa-utils' (1): (/etc/init.d/alsa-utils) in sound/alsa-utils.
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03:42<Morty>potyl: good for you!
03:42<paistis>is there way to star hdd only when it is needed
03:43<enouf>could've been something as silly as gnome system > preferences > {preferred devices, sound}
03:43<Morty>potyl: what was it?
03:43<Morty>paistis: huh?
03:44<enouf>paistis: s{h}dparm can spindown disks, but explain further
03:44<paistis>Morty: like when system is readin/writing to sdb1 hdd it start it, and when it is done it shutdown sdb1
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03:45<enouf>paistis: disks are much better off left spinning (generally)
03:45<paistis>enouf: huh, what that means?
03:45<potyl>Morty: I can't tell although I installed aumix and run alsactl store
03:46<potyl> Morty: I don't what saved me, but it works
03:46<paistis>my guess is that laptop-mode has something to do whit this
03:46<adama_>how do I enable IPX ?
03:47<streuner_>potyl: ps aux | grep -i esd
03:47<paistis>enouf: ah you mean, that it is not good for disk to shoutdown it
03:47<enouf>alsactl -store used to be needed sometimes, way back in like sarge even, but newer etch/lenny scripts handle that auto
03:47<enouf>paistis: yes
03:47<Morty>potyl: well, good for you.
03:48<potyl>thanks guys
03:48<enouf>paistis: if used more than like once every few days say - that's a tougher call then
03:48*potyl is temped to install compiz, must resist urges
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03:49<paistis>hm... anyway
03:49<paistis>coal is to do samekind system that os x have
03:50<paistis>goal*
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03:52<paistis>and os x start usb hdd only when it is writing or reading for it
03:52<megatog615>anyone know what happened to apt-zeroconf?
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04:00<rtlkjj>im trying to use wget but it keeps trying to connect through a proxy, tor specifically. how do i stop this?
04:01<potyl>wget --no-proxy
04:01<Gloonix>my update managers gui now does not show up when I double click the tray icon
04:02<Gloonix>does anyone know how to fixxx?
04:02<rtlkjj>wget: missing URL
04:02<rtlkjj>Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
04:03<potyl> rtlkjj: of course you need to put the url to download and all the other parameters
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04:04<rtlkjj>ok, do i append the "--no-proxy" to the end or the beginning?
04:04<potyl>it doesn't matter, but usually options go at the beginning
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04:23<Ascavasaion>How do I play MP3s on smb/computername/share/ on a local machine? When I queue remote MP3s via Konqueror smb://etc/etc/ it plays the first song and then stops.
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04:34<jiminy>I can't get my text consoles (ctrl-alt-F1 thru F6) to work; my monitor shows a "signal out of range" error. I get a normal boot console, X works fine, but after the display manager loads I can't access the consoles at all; this includes shutdown messages after X closes. Anyone have any ideas?
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04:35<streuner>jiminy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
04:35<fxiny>jiminy: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
04:36<fxiny>oops
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04:38<Ascavasaion>Nevermind... turns out I had to change the Windows sharename to the remote machine's IP in the /etc/fstab. It used to work, but ja... thrill.
04:40<jiminy>streuner: ii libc6 2.9-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
04:41<streuner>judd, versions libc6
04:41<judd>streuner: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.9-4 squeeze: 2.9-4
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05:27<mohkohn>I have installed lenny with xfce and I have a square blob that follows my mouse.
05:28<mohkohn>How do I fix it?
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05:40<dpkg>Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
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05:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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06:10<nikk>hi!! excuse for my enlish, i'm italian!!!
06:11<nikk>i've a problem with shares between win xp home and debian; when i try to access with nautilus to the workgroup it can't show content...why???
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06:13<pgimeno>how do I create a dummy package?
06:14<petemc>equivs
06:14<weasel>equivs
06:14<pgimeno>great, thanks both
06:15<nikk>none can help me?
06:15<Defender>post you smb.conf
06:15<nikk>ok
06:16<Defender>just the part of the share itself and the security= directive
06:16<nikk>Defender, i've a proplem to access to windows share...i haven't shares on debian machine
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06:17<nikk># "security = user" is always a good idea. This will require a Unix account
06:17<nikk># security = user
06:17<nikk># File creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you want to
06:17<nikk># Directory creation mask is set to 07
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06:19<pgimeno>I've created a hack editing the control file of libglib1.2ldbl so that it includes a line saying "Provides: libglib1.2", but the packages that need it don't recognize it. Any idea why?
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06:21<Defender>@nikk: system doesn't allow pasting, use file transfer or paste only import lines
06:21<nikk>Defender, my security directve it's commented...i've got the default settings
06:22<Defender>remove # and use security=share
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06:23<Defender>can you make an file upload of you smb.conf?
06:23<nikk>ok but Defender, it allows other users to acces to samba share...but why i cannot see the windows xp machine in nautilus?
06:23<petemc>what does smb.conf matter if the problem is shares from a windows machine?
06:24<Defender>ok, did you use the same workgroup?
06:24<nikk>petemc, nothing i think...
06:25<Defender>didn't notice that
06:25<nikk>yes Defender ..
06:25<Defender>firewall in xp turned on?
06:25<nikk>no Defender
06:26<Defender>can you directly connect to xp with (gnome) "places" > "connect to server"
06:26<nikk>i try
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06:28<nikk>yes Defender!!!..why??
06:28<Defender>so it's working this way?
06:29<wpsd>how do i see ubuntu computer in nautilus ?
06:29<nikk>yes...but i need it to see shares from nautilus...in the classic way
06:30<Defender>wpsd: places -> connect to server -> browse network
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06:30<Defender>nikk: wait a second
06:30<nikk>ok
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06:34<shnitzel>hello , can anyone help me install my video driver ?
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06:35<Defender>nikk: I'm guessing at the moment, maybe use ubuntu as wins and master browser -> [global] section of smb.conf
06:36<Defender>network view is a master browser issue
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06:37<Defender>shnitzer: which linux?
06:37<shnitzel>debian 5.0
06:37<nikk>Defender, it could be..
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06:37<Golfgeo>Hi all
06:38<Defender>shnitzel: use non-free repository and install nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel and nvidia-xconfig
06:38<Defender>if you have nvidia
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06:39<shnitzel>Defender, how do i do that ?
06:39<Defender>shnitzel: start synaptic and search for "nvidia"
06:39<Golfgeo>Is there a way to use the scanner of my Canon mp540 (printer/scanner) over the network from my windows xp client?
06:40<cahoot>I doubt xp has any notion of networked scanners
06:40<Defender>nikk: try using webmin to configure samba, if you want ubuntu leading your network
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06:42<shnitzel>Defender, and what next ?
06:42<Golfgeo>cahoot twain utils and drivers (if they exist) can work to bind the a networked scanner to a machine
06:43<Defender>shnitzel: after installation use nvidia-xconfig under root-shell
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06:45<nikk>Defender, i make a smbclient...it return NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
06:45<shnitzel>Defender, but my video is not installed , i have the drivers , but i says that i have to stop X first , the run the installation.could you tell me how do i do that ?
06:45<Defender>shnitzel: also check this (non-free section) http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
06:45<cahoot>Golfgeo: totally OT but: http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread89376.html
06:45<Defender>shnitzel: you want to install the drivers from nvidia.com?
06:45<shnitzel>yes
06:46<shnitzel>i downloaded them
06:46<Defender>shnitzel: this also works but is more complicated
06:46<shnitzel>oh , ok
06:46<Defender>shnitzel: you want it this way?
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06:47<shnitzel>Defender, in any way
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06:47<shnitzel>when i run nvidia-xconfig
06:47<shnitzel>VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
06:47<shnitzel> Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
06:47<shnitzel> line.
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06:48<shnitzel>oo :)
06:48<shnitzel>sorry
06:48<shnitzel> Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
06:48<shnitzel> line.
06:48<Defender>shnitzel: put in "nvidia"
06:49<Defender>if you get knocked out from X, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:49<pgimeno>okay, my migration to libglib1.2ldbl finally succeeded without losing the old packages (including xmms, gtop, glotski, and more). It involves a really ugly hack to edit the control file of libglib1.2ldbl to not conflict with libglib1.2 and installing a dummy libglib1.2. In case anyone has a better idea of how an update of libglib1.2ldbl won't break my obsolete packages again, I'm all ears.
06:50<Defender>shnitzel: I repeat, 1. install nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel, nvidia-xconfig, 2. run in root-shell "nvidia-xconfig", 3. restart
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06:50<shnitzel>ok
06:51<Golfgeo>cahoot: Thanks mate :-)
06:51<pgimeno>Thanks petemc and weasel for the tip on equivs :)
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06:51<Defender>shnitzel: and remember "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" - only if X doesn't start
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06:59<shnitzel>Defender, that didn`t worked
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07:00<Defender>shnitzel: what happened?
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07:01<shnitzel>an error ocurred
07:01<shnitzel>but i don`t remeber what it said
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07:01<Defender>shnitzel: when did it occur?
07:02<shnitzel>after restart , while it was loading
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07:02<Defender>shnitzel: did you run nvidia-xconfig before?
07:02<shnitzel>yes i did
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07:04<Defender>shnitzel: wait ...
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07:05<shnitzel>Defender, ok
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07:06<Defender>shnitzel: what's your card?
07:06<shnitzel>nvidia geforce 7050
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07:09<Defender>shnitzel: check, if the following is installed: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686, nvidia-kernel-2.6-686, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-xconfig
07:09<shnitzel>with synaptic ?
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07:10<Defender>shnitzel: also check if, after running nvidia-xconfig, your xorg.conf contains "load glx" and "driver nvidia"
07:10<Defender>shnitzel: yes, synaptic
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07:10<dazjorz>Hey guys
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07:11<dazjorz>Aptitude is showing me a list of packages to upgrade, and a recommended package which will not be installed
07:11<dazjorz>so I re-ran aptitude --with-recommends safe-upgrade # but it still doesn't want to install the recommended package
07:11<Defender>shnitzel: I'm off for a minute
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07:18<nikk>why in iceweasl the streams doesn't start automatically??
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07:20<Defender>nikk: youtube streams?
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07:20<nikk>also Defender
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07:21<Defender>nikk: checked that myself, youtube streams start automatically
07:22<nikk>i've got a start button to push if i want see streams...
07:22<valdyn>nikk: you dont have flash installed
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07:22<valdyn>nikk: you have something like swfplayer
07:23<shnitzel>now , nvidia-gls , nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686, nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 are missing
07:23<Defender>shnitzel: without them, it won't work
07:23<shnitzel>well , Defender , how can i install them ?
07:23<Defender>shnitzel: they don't show up in the list?
07:24<nikk>valdyn, i've got adobe flash player
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07:25<shnitzel>Defender, no
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07:25<valdyn>nikk: no you dont
07:25<Defender>shnitzel: you didn't add the non-free repository!
07:25<nikk>i see it in about:plugins
07:25<valdyn>nikk: go to "about:plugins" and see
07:25<shnitzel>Defender, but how do i do that
07:25<valdyn>nikk: its got to be swfplayer or somesuch
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07:25<nikk>libswfdecmozilla.so is the library file name valdyn
07:26<Defender>shnitzel: synaptic -> settings -> Repositories -> mark "non-DFSG (non-free)
07:26<valdyn>nikk: thats what I said
07:26<valdyn>!dmm
07:26<dpkg>somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
07:26<valdyn>nikk: install flashplayer-mozilla from ^^
07:26<Defender>nikk: flashplugin-nonfree and flashplayer-mozilla
07:27<Defender>whis works
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07:27<Defender>this works
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07:29<Defender>shnitzel: after that "Reload" and search for "nvidia"
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07:32<shnitzel>bk
07:32<shnitzel>done that , but it didn`t work :(
07:33<Defender>shnitzel: the packages are shown in the list?
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07:33<shnitzel>yes
07:33<Defender>shnitzel: you installed as mentioned above?
07:34<shnitzel>yes Defender
07:34<Defender>shnitzel: X doesn't start?
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07:35<shnitzel>no
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07:35<shnitzel>let me try again
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07:35<shnitzel>maybe i did something wrong
07:36<Defender>shnitzel: I think so
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07:39<shnitzel>Defender, now it is done :) thanks a lot
07:39<nas>guys which is better LDAP+PAM or LDAP+Kerberos?
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07:39<shnitzel>it`s working
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07:41<nas>or are they suppose to work altogether? that is LDAP+PAM+Kerberos?
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07:42<azeem>nas: depends on what you are trying to do I guess
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07:42<nas>will LDAP+Kerberos work without PAM LDAP?
07:43<nas>i know LDAP+PAM is enough
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07:43<nas>but if i try to use Kerberos will i still require PAM_LDAP?
07:44<azeem>why do you want to use Kerberos?
07:46<Defender>shnitzel: nice
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07:47<nas>no i don't i just came across it and i'm confused whether it can replace PAM
07:47<nas>that is if i use LDAP+Kerberos, would i still need PAM
07:47<nas>?
07:49<Defender>nas: pam is always in place
07:49<nas>oh i see
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07:49<nas>thank you
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07:51<ludwig>hallo!
07:52<Defender>hi
07:53<ludwig>I have a problem with booting a Debian system from an IDE2CF device on a system with only one IDE channel. The system reboots when checking for devices on an unexistant ide1 ...
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07:53<ludwig>booting the same CF card from a USB cardreader works, for being an USB device, great
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07:54<Defender>ludiwg: maybe the kernel module for your adapter isn't loaded?
07:54<ludwig>Defender, actually, the hda1 device is found
07:54<Defender>ludiwg: you replaced the harddrive with an ide cf-adapter?
07:55<ludwig>Defender, this is what I wanted to do.
07:55<ludwig>This works fine on six servers, but not on that seventh one
07:56<Defender>ludiwg: whats different?
07:56<ludwig>it is a Gigabyte board and not from Asus
07:57<ludwig>and that board only has one IDE connector (maybe also only one IDE channel)
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07:58<Defender>ludwig: is the ide channel configurable?
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07:59<Defender>ludwig: and the ide2cf is the only device in the system?
07:59<ludwig>Defender, in BIOS?
07:59<Defender>tyes
07:59<ludwig>Defender, it is
08:00<Defender>ludwig: yes, in bios
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08:00<ludwig>the only thing I can select is access mode - CHS, BLA, Large, Auto
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08:02<Defender>ludwig: if you instantly replace it with an ide-harddrive, it works?
08:02<ludwig>I have to find an IDE drive ... :)
08:03<Defender>ludwig: the debian installer sees the ide2cf drive?
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08:04<ludwig>the system only has a 3Ware controller and the IDE2CF ... GRUB starts great
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08:04<Defender>ludwig: so the kernel loads but didn't find a rot fs?
08:04<Defender>root
08:05<ludwig>it actually does not complain about not finding root fs, it resets at / after loading the ide module
08:06<ludwig>when can I paste the kernel messages?
08:07<ludwig>where
08:07<Defender>ludiwg: try deactivating/uninstalling the 3ware controller or plug the adapter in 3ware
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08:07<Defender>ludwig: upload as file
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08:08<ludwig>where?
08:08<ludwig>oh, actually I already removed the 3Ware controller
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08:09<Defender>ludwig: click my name and choose "send file"
08:10<Defender>ludwig: right click my name
08:10<ludwig>http://debian.pastebin.com/m5271fdf6
08:10<ludwig>(maybe there is someone else interested)
08:11<Defender>ludwig: ah, ok
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08:11<ludwig>(I finally found it)
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08:11<ludwig>it is just the last messages regarding the IDE driver
08:13<Defender>ludwig: it works now?
08:13<jaakko>Hey.. I have a strange problem.. I can use encrypted wireless networks but not open. What could be wrong? I'm using A-link wireless USB device, driver zd1211
08:13<jaakko>I get connection with "wpa-driver wext \ wpa-psk *** \ wpa-ssid myNet"
08:14<jaakko>But without wpa.. settin "wireless-essid myNet", no connection
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08:14<ludwig>it does not
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08:15<Defender>ludwig: play around with boot parameters "acpi=off", "noapic" and "nolapic"
08:15<Defender>maybe some interrupt issue
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08:16<ludwig>I tried noacpi noapic nousb console=ttyS0 debug loglevel=7 noirqbalance nosmp
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08:17<Defender>ludwig: just insert the adapter without cf-card and try again
08:18<jaakko>what is ludwigs problem?
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08:18<Defender>jaako: can't boot from cf2ide adapter
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08:20<jaakko>ludwig: how does it fail? you get in Grub?
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08:21<ludwig>jaakko, booting from IDE2CF adapter on specific machine (server and backup-server) results in a reset at IDE initialization. Same CF on six other servers works great. Boot on specific server and with same CF from USB cardreader - works
08:21<ludwig>jaakko, yes, I get in Grub
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08:24<ludwig>this is the result when booting from USB cardreader:
08:24<ludwig>http://debian.pastebin.com/m4176854b
08:24<ludwig>while booting from IDE: http://debian.pastebin.com/m5271fdf6
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08:27<ludwig>I even tried booting with loglevel 7 and debug option, but the output was unreadable (printing of a logmessage is interrupted by a boot message)
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08:32<jaakko>ludwig: not a slave/master issue?
08:32<ludwig>it is the only device in the system
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08:33<jaakko>ok, then you should still have correct boot parameter, hda or hdb, but I think you know..
08:33<jaakko>and it would fail in "mountin root filesystem"
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08:40<padski>using catalyst in lenny an app generated by the helper script crashes in the fcgi server at load :-(
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08:44<ludwig>jaakko, it should hang with a message and not reset
08:45<ludwig>I have now booted from USB and making an update ...
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08:51<JohnDoy>how to list wich filesystems linux can mount ?
08:52<llutz>cat /proc/filesystems
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09:26<padski>JohnDoh, /proc/filesystems is just the loaded kernel modules, look under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs to see which modules you have available
09:26<schranztanz84>moinsen
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09:36<OdyX>Hi. Does anyone have experience with Xorg from experimental ?
09:37<OdyX>I have no more "sliding" and "tapping" with my synaptics touchpad
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09:50<stephan>hi, is there any trick to get acerhk work using squueze? It worked quite fine with lenny, eventhough my laptop is not supported officially. (aspire 5630)
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10:57<NSAJEFF>Is it possible to install debian from a local ftp server?
10:57<NSAJEFF>If I just drop the iso there then do a netinstall
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10:58<padski>NSAJEFF, I would be surprised.
10:59<NSAJEFF>*nod* doesn't seem straightforward, but I have a serious lack of dvds/cds(moving)
10:59<azeem>so use a usb-stick
10:59<azeem>or network-boot
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10:59<NSAJEFF>Doesn't a network boot require another system? All my other kit is packed. I'll I've got is my laptop and a little fileserver that works via ftp
11:00<NSAJEFF>All I've*
11:00<azeem>NSAJEFF: if you can get your computer to boot off a ftp server, fine, but this is not in the scope of the Debian installer
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11:01<sammy>hi, need some help
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11:01<abrotman>just ask
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11:03<sammy>been using lenny for a while, did a dist upgrade to get to squeeze but now alot of packages fail
11:03<azeem>that's kinda expected
11:03<sammy>i get this error "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
11:03<sammy>requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
11:03<sammy>distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
11:03<sammy>or been moved out of Incoming.
11:03<sammy>"
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11:03<azeem>testing is usually quite shakey right after a release
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11:04<sammy>sorry about that
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11:04<sammy>the issues seems to be big time dependency issues
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11:06<abrotman>sammy: ask in the channel, not via msg
11:06<azeem>sammy: pastebin the full output
11:06<azeem>!paste
11:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:08<abrotman>sammy: stop sending me things in /msg .. i'm not going to answer you there
11:08<abrotman>nor read it
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11:14<fxiny>anyone running a LUKS system with *keys* . i made a new larger home but at reboot i got the "bad superblock error" , "corrupetd...", "e2fsck -b 8193" suggestion . none of this works . no help from google . the solution is : edit cryptab : set none for home instead of home.key so you can boot , then make a new home.key , edit cryptab back . works like a charm :)
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11:15<fxiny>if i had a panic attack ? nahhh , i have backups :))
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11:18<fxiny>a bad superblock on sunday can be fatal :P
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11:21<g0to>hi there, all!
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11:22<NSAJEFF>Suicide is the only option.
11:22<g0to>got problems getting my wireless adapter to work and don't know how to solve
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11:25<c4__>hi
11:25<c4__>what showld i use in a sesktop PC: SLAB or SLUB allocator?
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11:28<c4__>someone alive?
11:29<g0to>since the last suicide, I don't think so
11:29<c4__>XD
11:30<NSAJEFF>Sorry, I'll stop encouraging suicide in here
11:30<g0to>NSAJEFF, cool, more users to support
11:31<NSAJEFF>g0to, good point. Cyanide for everyone!
11:32<c4__>g0to: Do you know what is best SLAB or SLUB allocator? im using a sesktop PC anda programing in java basically
11:32<abrotman>desktop ?
11:32<c4__>well, not a server
11:32<abrotman>what is a sesktop ?
11:32<g0to>NSAJEFF, can't find package Cyanide on my usual repositories. Anywhere else to find? It's available on stable?
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11:33<NSAJEFF>g0to...sec, I'll mail you a ... 'cd' with the package
11:33<c4__>how do you say when a PC is not a "one-user-PC"?
11:33<cahoot>linux
11:34<petemc>multi-user
11:34<azeem>c4__: how many users?
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11:35<azeem>c4__: don't /msg people
11:35<c4__>damn
11:36<c4__>azeem: just me
11:36<azeem>so it's a "one-user-PC", no?
11:36<c4__>why are you so "jokers" today?
11:37<azeem>well, you're problem isn't clear
11:37<azeem>unless you have dozen of users or severy performance issues, you shouldn't worry about allocators
11:37<azeem>even then, you probably shouldn't, unless you know exactly what is going on
11:38<c4__>ok, im configuring the kernel and i don't know if i shoud select SLAB or SLUB.
11:38<abrotman>why are you compiling your own kernel?
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11:38<azeem>c4__: we can't help with every kernel option
11:38<azeem>just use the default and/or the stock kernel if you don't know
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11:39<xxiao>if [ -n "$$$$$$$$modules" ]; then ----what does the 8 $ sign mean, this is the bash script, never seen this
11:39<c4__>azeem: ok, i will use SLUB cause they say is "newer"... ¿?
11:40<xxiao>$$ is process ID, echo $$$$$$ shows four IDs, weird
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11:41<azeem>c4__: use the default
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11:45<victor>hi
11:45<s4br3>Hi, I am running Debian unstable/experimental. I bought new speakers yesterday. But don't get stereo sound! Any ideas why?
11:45<victor>I pulled out cdrom drive before booting the system, and then I put it in, the machine kept beeping, and I couldn't eject the tray. Why? And how can I solve the thing?
11:46<victor>s4br3: try this in the terminal: gksu alsaconf
11:46<abrotman>sounds like a hardware issue ?
11:47<victor>abrotman: no, if I boot the system with the cdrom drive plugged in, everything will be fine.
11:47<s4br3>victor, alsaconf is dead too, since two days ago...
11:47<cahoot>s4br3: run speaker-test -t wav -c2
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11:47<victor>s4br3: then reinstall it.
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11:48<abrotman>victor: so you meant "if you pull it out, the machine keeps beeping" ?
11:48<s4br3>cahoot, that just responds from the Left speaker
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11:48<cahoot>s4br3: no attempt to use the right speaker?
11:49<victor>abrotman: the cdrom was not there when the system was started.
11:49<cahoot>s4br3: run speaker-test -c2
11:49<victor>abrotman: then I put the cdrom drive in.
11:49<s4br3>cahoot, it did work ok with some apps. like Urban Terror
11:49<victor>abrotman: and the pc kept beeping.
11:49<abrotman>victor: is it a regular PC ?
11:50<abrotman>victor: i think you want to try ##hardware on freenode .. but in general, try changing jumpers on the drive
11:50<s4br3>cahoot, that gives noise and then silence. The previous gave both , but only from the Left
11:51<victor>abrotman: it's a ibm thinkpad a30.
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11:52<s4br3>cahoot, speaker-test -c2 gives noise in Left and then silence. speaker-test -t wav -c2 gave a woman saying Left and Right but only in the Left speaker
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11:52<victor>s4br3: try report the result of this: lspci |grep audio
11:52<abrotman>victor: oh, so it's an ultrabay ?
11:53<cahoot>s4br3: but it tries to output the right speaker at least - try replugging the cables
11:53<s4br3>victor, as root it gave nothing
11:53<abrotman>s4br3: grep -i
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11:54<s4br3>abrotman, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
11:54<abrotman>but sound worked before? just got new speakers?
11:54<victor>abrotman: it's just a dvd-rom drive. I don't really know what an ultrabay is.
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11:55<s4br3>abrotman, I upgrade regularly. I had some issue with pulseaudio since a few weeks. I bought new speakers. Hmmmm.
11:55<abrotman>in some thinkpads, there's a hotswap bay for the DVD slot .. you can put other things in there
11:55<abrotman>s4br3: did you try the old speakers?
11:55<cahoot>switch the speakers?
11:56<s4br3>abrotman, My beloved threw them before I could react...
11:56<abrotman>s4br3: stupid cat!
11:56<s4br3>abrotman, I don'ty dare to say that.... :D
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11:56<victor>abrotman: i guess it's an ultrabay.
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11:57<abrotman>victor: did you ask ##hardware on freenode? it's not really a debian issue .. but it sounds like the device is busted
11:57*abrotman doesn't have an ultrabay .. so can't really comment much
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11:57<abrotman>s4br3: headphones ?
11:57<s4br3>If I listen to Youtube I only get stereo sound from the HQ films. It sounds like software issue to me.
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11:58<cahoot>s4br3: don't tell us you have pulseaudio running
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11:59<victor>cahoot: you may want to say that pulseaudio sucks.
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12:00<cahoot>might at least confuse matters
12:00*abrotman wonders if other OSes have totally f'ed sound systems ...
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12:01<victor>abrotman: finding drivers for win can be a pain in the ass.
12:01<abrotman>yeah .. but that's not f'ed .. that's just a PITA ..
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12:02<cahoot>abrotman: sound on linux is allright as longa as you stick to a 1990's SB
12:03<abrotman>cahoot: the intel stuff works decently well IME
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12:03<s4br3>cahoot, I don't know what I am supposed to have running... pulseaudio or not.
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12:05<s4br3>I lost track of the relevance of various sound servers many years ago, when I eventually got my Yamaha OP3SA-L working...
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12:06<victor>quote from #hardware: < adaptr> connecting hardware when the system is running is always at your own risk
12:06<victor>quote: don't do it.
12:07<victor>s4br3: maybe you should find out your soundcard model first.
12:09<s4br3>victor, it is an integrated card, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
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12:09<abrotman>victor: did you check the thinkwiki page?
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12:14<abrotman>victor: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:A30
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12:15<abrotman>victor: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_hotswap_Ultrabay_devices
12:17<victor>abrotman: thank you.
12:18<abrotman>victor: using lenny right ?
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12:20<victor_>Debian users: at least up the the kernel released with Lenny, Debian applies a patch in the Debian kernel sources which prevents the use of ata_piix with PATA devices (like the IDE bus for the Ultrabay). You will have to either use an upstream kernel or (re)patch the Debian kernel sources.
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12:22<victor>bye, people.
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12:31<Golfgeo>Hi all
12:31<Golfgeo>Is there a way to install MaxOS packages on my Debian machine?
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12:34<badmaster>Hi :>
12:34<badmaster>i just installed debian on my comp but xserver starts in resolutin my monitor doesnt support
12:35<badmaster>i already tryed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it doesnt show any option for changing res ...
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12:35<fxiny>badmaster: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
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12:36<badmaster>ty
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12:36<fxiny>np
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12:39<Golfgeo>Any hints on the subject?
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12:40<Golfgeo>(Tryed to compile sane and this failed so horably that I'm willing to try going this way)
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13:05<brian|lfs>does anyone know how I get rid of this setkeys erorr that keeps poping up every 5 weconds
13:05<brian|lfs>?
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13:10<eljefe>Does the package 'live-helper' create a liveCD of my install, or just a generic livecd that I have to customize with that app?
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13:19<Dynami>If i where to mount my other hard drive, would that stay mounted on next reboot ?
13:20<Supaplex>no
13:20<Supaplex>not unless you put it in fstab
13:21<Dynami>Is there any tutorials available for that ?
13:21<panthera>man fstab
13:21<Supaplex>!fstab
13:21<dpkg>fstab is, like, a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
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13:23<hakin>BUONA SERA
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13:40<Dynami>Any reason why i can't open epiphany ? I click the button on the bar .. loads and doesn't open ... can't find it in ps -A either .. confused
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13:41<NakedApe>dynami: open a terminal and type ephiphany
13:41<NakedApe>you'll probably get an error msg that tells you where to start looking
13:41<Dynami>Segmentation fault
13:41<Dynami>=[
13:42<Dynami>What does that mean ?
13:42<NakedApe>that means it tried to do something it wasn't allowed
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13:42<Dynami>Is there any way i can shut it down ?
13:42<Dynami>Seen as though i can't find it via ps -A
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13:43<Clear>what does: You have new mail in var/mail/allard mean?
13:43<NakedApe>well, it isn't running if it doesn't show up in ps
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13:44<Dynami>I presume there is a way around that
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13:44<Supaplex>Clear: just as it says. do you want to read it?
13:44<Clear>yeh
13:44<NakedApe>dynami: what debian flavor are you running?
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13:45<Dynami>5.0
13:45<Dynami>lenny i believe
13:45<Supaplex>Clear: run "mail" from a terminal (it may, or may not be installed)
13:45<NakedApe>haev you recently update or changed anything
13:45<Dynami>Havnt touched it, was using the browser .. then it dissapeared and i couldn't get it back open
13:45<Supaplex>Dynami: if it segfaulted, it usually quits at that time.
13:46<NakedApe>it's possible to troubleshoot with strace & co but easiest is probably to reinstall epiphany
13:46<NakedApe>and see if that fixes it
13:46<NakedApe>yeah, sorry if I was unclear on that: segmentation fault terminates the process
13:47<Supaplex>NakedApe: usually. programs can install a handler to clean up or print some debugging information (program state is unpredictible after that)
13:47<Dynami>Iceweasel is doing the same though
13:47<Dynami>:S
13:47<Dynami>same error
13:47<Supaplex>Dynami: your hardware may have problems.
13:47<Supaplex>!memtest
13:47<dpkg>it has been said that memtest is http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn>
13:48<NakedApe>or it is a problem with a shared library
13:48<NakedApe>are you using epiphany with eebkit or gecko?
13:48<NakedApe>*webkit
13:48<Dynami>I just opened epiphany lol ... the same as it was when it was installed
13:48<Clear>How do I join my documents directory in debian?
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13:49<Dynami>I'll give memtest a go
13:49<Clear>where files can be stored
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13:50<Supaplex>!tell Clear -about grounding
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13:53<ringo999>what is the best way of moving large files between clients in linux network? nfs, ftp, samba? I'm new to linux networks...
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13:53<brian|lfs>hello
13:54<brian|lfs>does anyone know how to get setkeycodes to stop complaining
13:54<Supaplex>reneger: I prefer rsync.
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13:58<s3a>i need help with installing from usb flash drive (not installing TO usb flash drive), what I did so far makes a 256mb format partition of my 4gb flash drive that wants a debian net-inst iso but i have enough space for a whole cd1 so I just want to know how to make it format above 256mb, I did the following: zcat /home/deniz/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda
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14:01<s3a>please help me
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14:03<petemc>!usb install
14:03<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian)
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14:04<Clear>Hi, i untarred something on my debian machine, and now i wanna join it's directory, but it doesn't find the dir
14:05<Clear>and when i try ./config it doesnt work
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14:05<dustpylex2>how can i get the java jre installed on amd64 debian? I've read some stuff about java-package and whatnot but jpkg errors when I try it
14:07<paistis>ATI Radeon HD 4670 has anyone try this on debian?
14:07<paistis>whit ati open source driver or the proprietary driver?
14:08<Clear>Hi, i just tried to install something on the ROOT, and i get permission denied?
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14:10<djc>Clear, it sounds like you need someone to introduce you to debian, and *nix in general.
14:10<s3a>what do i have to apt-get install for partition editor to be able to format drives with the FAT filesystem
14:11<djc>s3a, you dont need any partitions. write the image to the whole device (eg /dev/sda, like you say you did)
14:11<djc>at least not for botting and installing
14:11<djc>booting
14:11<djc>Or have you installed, and now you want to use the usb drive for storing stuff?
14:12<djc>'format' is roughly equivalnt to 'mkfs'
14:12<djc>you might have mkfs.vfat
14:12<djc>already
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14:14<s3a>djc, o wait sorry, i used the method that limits my partition to 256mb but the other method: sudo mkdosfs /dev/sda1 returns "command not found"
14:16<djc>ok, wait, earlier you were trying to boot from it to install, are you still trying to do that?
14:16<djc>or are you now done with that and want to store files on it?
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14:16<djc>booting uses no partitions, you dont even need to mess with them, just write the bootable image to the physical device
14:17<s3a>djc, to install
14:17<djc>you have a working *nix system you are using to prepare this?
14:17<s3a>djc, http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en --------> im trying the "flexible way"
14:17<djc>ok let me look at that
14:17<s3a>djc, yes im on a lenny computer
14:18<djc>and you want to prepare a way to use this usb key to boot and install on another machine, right?
14:18<djc>is there some particular reason you dont want to use "4.3.1. Copying the files — the easy way"
14:18<s3a>djc, it says i need fat16 before doing the command
14:19<djc>hang on
14:19<djc>is there some particular reason you dont want to use "4.3.1. Copying the files — the easy way"
14:19<s3a>djc, well thatd mean net-inst at 50kb/s
14:19<djc>ok, i gather you have no usb cdrom drive or anything
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14:20<s3a>no i need to install from flash drive
14:21<djc>im not sure there is a way to do that
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14:21<djc>hang on, let me look over that again
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14:21<djc>ok, it can.. let me read that
14:23<s3a>djc, i have the boot.img.gz for amd64 and i have thge lenny amd64 iso
14:23<djc>the machine is 64 bit?
14:24<djc>seems unusual that a 64 bit machine would not have an optical drive
14:24<djc>what are you installing on?
14:24<djc>and how big is the flash drive?
14:24<Clear>How do I delete all files out of my folder?
14:24<Clear>want to clear it
14:24<djc>what folder?
14:24<djc>which folder?
14:25<Clear>eh, home folder i believe
14:25<Clear>first folder where u come at login
14:25<djc>Clear, from your questions it sounds like you dont entirely have a grasp on how unix works, I would strongly suggest you find a local user group and find someone that can help you personally
14:25<abrotman>!grounding
14:25<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
14:25<djc>s3a, ?
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14:27<djc>s3a, do you still need help? I can try to help but you gotta stick here and talk to me
14:27<s3a>djc, wait 2 seconds
14:27<s3a>djc, 4gb and ya EMT64 so amd64
14:28<djc>Ok. what are you using to partition?
14:28<abrotman>em64t is amd64
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14:28<djc>go back into that, and make the entire stick one parition
14:28<djc>partition
14:28<s3a>djc, what filesystem?
14:28<s3a>djc, atm i have it unallocated
14:29<djc>dos/fat16
14:29<s3a>djc, what do i apt-get install to make gparted be able to format FAT16?
14:29<djc>you dont need the paritition editor to mkfs.. just make the partition
14:29<djc>maybe use fdisk instead
14:30<fxiny>dosfstools
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14:31<djc>using cli tools to install packages but a gui tool to partition... ok
14:31<s3a>djc, wait pastebinning
14:31<djc>shrug
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14:31<djc>alright
14:32<s3a>djc, http://pastebin.com/m30e6c0e8
14:32<djc>looking
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14:32<djc>ok, yeah.
14:32<djc>install dosfstools, like fxiny said
14:32<djc>weird i didnt install that special but its there on mine by default
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14:33<s3a>djc, i upgraded etch a while ago maybe thats why
14:34<djc>ah
14:34<djc>ok, looks like fat16 can only go up to 2 gig
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14:34<djc>so maybe make that partition a bit smaller
14:34<craigevil>or just make it fat32
14:34<djc>that should still be enough room for an .iso
14:34<djc>craigevil, will syslinux boot fat32?
14:34<djc>the docs say to use 16, i considered the possibility that it couldnt
14:35<tp>Hi! I need to know which color depth my xorg is working now. Is there a way to do it?
14:35<cahoot>xdpyinfo
14:36<s3a>djc, ok now sudo mkdosfs /dev/sda1 worked
14:36<s3a>djc, i had to format it as fat16
14:36<djc>according to one bit of info i found syslinux doesnt support fat32
14:36<djc>its from 07, so it may or may not be still the case
14:36<djc>but 16 allows up to 2g which should be plenty
14:37<djc>s3a, did you make the partition smaller?
14:37<tp>cahoot, cool! Now I know it's working at 24bit color depth. Is there a way to force xorg to use 16bit?
14:37<s3a>djc, i made the partition 4gb and now i do sudo syslinux /dev/sda1?
14:37<djc>uh... you were able to make a fat16 part on a 4g drive?
14:38<s3a>djc, ya vfat or wtv its calleds
14:38<s3a>djc, oops
14:38<s3a>djc, it says fat32
14:38<djc>hrm.. if you didnt specifically say fat16 it might have made it fat32
14:39<djc>yeah, make it smaller than @g
14:39<djc>er
14:39<djc>2G
14:39<djc>then re mkfs it fat16
14:39<fxiny>no fat16 > 2G
14:39<fxiny>pathetic fs :P
14:39<fxiny>!vfat
14:39<dpkg>[vfat] a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it.
14:39<s3a>djc, so i format it as like 1.5 gb fat 16/
14:39<s3a>?
14:39<Clear>I'm tring to compile something and it says; configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
14:39<Clear>Help?
14:39<djc>s3a, yeah, something like that..
14:40<djc>Clear, install a compiler
14:40<Clear>where download it
14:40<djc>or better yet, read the info that dpkg gave you
14:40<path>Clear, apt-get install build-essential
14:40<djc>!tell clear about grounding
14:40<s3a>djc, ok so now i have a 1.5 gb partition fat16 and the rest is unallocated
14:40<djc>unless you know what you are doing (which it doesnt appear you do, no offense intended) you are better not installing stuff from source
14:41<djc>Clear, install from aptitude or synaptic
14:41<djc>s3a, ok, you should be able to follow that guide from there
14:41<fxiny>Clear: debian provides thousand of packages , what are you trying to install ?
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14:42<Clear>k
14:42<s3a>djc, im having problems with syslinux
14:42<Clear>i'm trying to install unrealircd
14:42<djc>s3a, error message?
14:42<Clear>and it says it need C compiler
14:42<djc>ohboy
14:42<s3a>djc, command not found
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14:43<djc>did you install the packages for it?
14:43<djc>s3a, did you install the packages for it?
14:43<s3a>djc, http://pastebin.com/m5569751d
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14:43<s3a>djc, what are the packages?
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14:43<djc>Clear, an ircd is probably not the first than a linux newbie should be trying to run
14:43<fxiny>Clear: while you are reading basic docs type : apt-cache search <the-app-you-are-compiling>
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14:43<djc>s3a, ok, now those are given in the guide :P
14:43<s3a>djc, o syslinux and mtools?
14:43<Clear>i know, but i jusr wanna try
14:43<djc>s3a, there you go
14:44<valdyn>!b-r Clear
14:44<valdyn>!b-e Clear
14:44<craigevil>s3a: is syslinux really needed, im looking at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller and doesnt mention it
14:44<dpkg>Clear: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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14:44<djc>Clear, what you are trying to do is roughly equivalent to racing in the America's Cup sailing race before you've even learned how to sail a dinghy
14:45<djc>and without a crew
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14:45<DrOwl>hellowl all
14:45<Clear>yeah, i think i'm gonna read docs
14:46<fxiny>or drinking warm water outside a pub in august :P
14:46<djc>or like trying to rebuild a transmission on a semi before you've learned how to change the oil on a pickup truck
14:46<djc>fxiny, er... uh?
14:46<fxiny>djc: i prefere beer ;)
14:47<djc>fxiny, ok
14:47<DrOwl>any one want to help me with a iceweasle problem
14:47<fxiny>djc: just to make it Clear ;)
14:47<djc>Clear, what you wanna do, is learn a whole lot more about *nix in general , and debian specifically
14:48<s3a>djc, after sudo syslinux /dev/sda1 i just copy paste the .iso?
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14:48<s3a>djc, i mean after sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
14:48<djc>s3a, do what the guide you were following says
14:48<djc>dont skip any steps
14:48<DrOwl>i have installed extensions, but it keeps saying restart to install them, i have restarted iceweasle quite a few times now but still no luck, i have also had a loot at permissions and can see no problem
14:48<djc>sounds like you are at "4.3.2.2. Adding the installer image"
14:49<craigevil>DrOwl: sounds like something in your profile is set to read only, i would create a new iceweasel profile, start it from a terminal with iceweasel -p
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14:50<s3a>djc, i dont get the part where it says "Next you should create a syslinux.cfg configuration fille....initrd=initrd.gz
14:50<s3a>" i just dont do anything there and copy the iso?
14:50<djc>s3a, no, you *do* do exactly what it says there
14:50<djc>did you copy the files it told you?
14:50<DrOwl>craigevil: oki i can try that, i did chmod u+w .mozilla/firefox/
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14:51<s3a>djc, im completely stuck at "Mount the partition (mount /dev/sdX1 /mnt) and copy the following installer image files to the stick: "
14:51<DrOwl>oh and with a -r
14:51<djc>s3a, did you mount it?
14:51<djc>"mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
14:51<djc>?
14:52<s3a>djc, ya i did
14:52<djc>ok, then somehere up at the top it gave a url for stuff to download
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14:52<djc>download the stuff from hd-media
14:52<djc>vmlinuz
14:52<djc>and initrd.gz
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14:52<djc>and put them on there
14:52<djc>at /mnt
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14:53<djc>then open up an editor (nano if you dont have another preference) and put the lines it says in, and save that as syslinux.cfg (on the usb drive, which is at /mnt)
14:54<djc>if you want to use the 'graphical installer' add the other lines it mentions as well.
14:54<djc>er not another line
14:54<s3a>djc, my flash drive is /media/disk
14:54<djc>ok, thats fine, do it there then
14:54<s3a>djc, ok but what stuff from hd-media i have no idea where to get that stuff :'(
14:54<djc>i assume it automounted
14:55<s3a>djc, yes it did
14:55<djc>up at the top of the page that guide is on
14:55<djc>click "Section 4.2.1, “Where to Find Installation Images”"
14:55<djc>then follow that
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14:55<djc>to find the files
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14:55<djc>im looking at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/
14:55<djc>er
14:56<djc>yeah
14:56<djc>there are other missors
14:56<djc>mirrors
14:56<djc>damn cold fingers
14:56<s3a>djc, http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s02.html.en#where-files ?
14:56<djc>did you go there?
14:56<s3a>djc, i am there now yes
14:56<djc>keep clicking
14:57<djc>find it?
14:57<s3a>djc, on what? list of debian mirrors?
14:57<DrOwl>craigevil: OMG, that worked dont know why i didnt think of that my self, thank you muchly
14:57<s3a>djc, it's in the repositories?
14:57<djc>what?
14:58<djc>at the page you said you just went to
14:58<djc>theres a link
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14:58<djc>under 4.2.1
14:58<djc>it goes directly there
14:58<s3a>djc, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ ?
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14:58<djc>and do you see hd-media there?
14:58<s3a>http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ since im using amd64
14:59<djc>oh.. ok, right
14:59<s3a>djcok i found hd-media
14:59<s3a>djc, so now what do i do?
14:59<s3a>djc, o wait
14:59<djc>do you want the gui installer?
14:59<djc>or the text?
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15:00<s3a>djc, it doesn't matter
15:00<djc>well you need to pick
15:00<djc>wether it matters or not
15:00<s3a>djc, text
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15:00<djc>ok.. then get the initrd.gz and boot.img.gz files from there
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15:00<djc>and put them on your flash drive
15:01<djc>if you wanted the gui, you'd get the ones under the gtk directory
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15:02<s3a>djc, ok but i dont so i just put those two on my flash drive along with the iso and then boot from it?
15:02<djc>wait
15:02<djc>one step at a time
15:02<djc>put those two files on
15:02<djc>then do the rest of "4.3.2.2. Adding the installer image"
15:02<s3a>djc, its because i have to go see my tutor like super soon and its gonna take 10 min to download
15:03<djc>s3a, ok, let them download.. when you have them *do what the guide says*
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15:03<djc>dont skip parts
15:03<s3a>djc, thanks alot for your help so far but if i still need help, do you go on debian forums?
15:04<djc>no
15:04<djc>if when you get back to it you still need help you can come back here.. i may or may not be here, but someone shoud be
15:04<s3a>djc, do you think you'll be here in ~4 hours?
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15:04<djc>btw im neither an 'official debian helper' (im not even sure there is a such a thing), nor even a terribly expert debian user
15:05<djc>i only switched to debian a couple weeks ago from fedora
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15:05<s3a>djc, ya but u helped me more than anyone ever did and then im gonna make a super newb guide when im done with this hopefulyl i am
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15:05<djc>but i have been a *nix user for like a decade and a half
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15:06<xorAxAx>umm
15:06<s3a>djc, ok well i really need to go now and thanks again for your help ill come back in 4 hours to c if ur here
15:06<xorAxAx>can anybody explain who rooted me via http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1719?
15:06<s3a>djc, bye
15:06<xorAxAx>seems like aviation/cars vs. debians users?
15:06<fxiny>rooted you ?
15:06<fxiny>via DSA ? wt4x !
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15:07<fxiny>and that's old
15:07<abrotman>xorAxAx: uh what?
15:07<xorAxAx>debian is b0rked
15:07<chealer>!tell djc about enter
15:07<xorAxAx>please find the +3 patchset
15:08<xorAxAx>and run
15:08<xorAxAx>and duck and cover
15:08<abrotman>xorAxAx: stop trolling
15:08<xorAxAx>then get me gnutls13_1.4.4-3+etch3.diff.gz
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15:08<djc>!tell chealer about thpthpthpth
15:08<fxiny>no waiters avaiable
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15:13<neoXite>hello, i'm running lenny with luks encrypted root, and the passphrase prompt seems to break the 'quiet' boot option - after entering the passphrase, my kernel writes verbose messages to the console
15:13<neoXite>is there a way to turn that off again?
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15:14<fxiny> what message ?
15:14<fxiny>i'm fresh of fixing my luks
15:14<neoXite>well normally adding the 'quiet' option to the kernel parameters in grub supresses most kernel messages on the console
15:14<xorAxAx>whats the nick of florian weimer?
15:15<neoXite>works fine on a non-root-luks'ed system
15:15<fxiny>ahh just that ? eveything is fine then , no borkage
15:15<neoXite>but if root is luks encrypted, the system pauses during initrd, to prompt for the passphrase
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15:16<neoXite>and once the passphrase was entered, verbose kernel messages get written to the console again, like 'quiet' was never specified
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15:16<fxiny>any pass not just root unless you are using keys
15:16<neoXite>that always worked fine in etch
15:16<fxiny>with keys one pass is enough
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15:17<neoXite>i'm aware of that. i'm asking why the initrd unlock mechanism is breaking the quiet option now
15:17<xorAxAx>can anybody explain the current netsplit?
15:17<neoXite>and if there's a way to turn off kernel messages again via commandline
15:17<fxiny>no idea about "quiet" , i just let all mesages scrolling
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15:18<fxiny>but i discovered something today about enlarging home and booting again with keys
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15:19<abrotman>!de
15:19<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
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15:19<fxiny>in the end looks easy but not when you get messages like "bad superblock"
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15:22<fxiny>neoXite: so , because we are speaking now , if you enlarge your LUKS-home and use keys , just ignore all warnings about bad superblock and make a new key
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15:23<neoXite>fxiny: well, not going to happen since I luks an LVM PV
15:23<fxiny>i believe this will do even enlarging any luks partitions
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15:24<fxiny>the f* warning is about bad superblock and useless e2fsck , one can panick easy
15:25<iatn>How do I use a .dsc and a .tar.gz to compile a debian package?
15:25<fxiny>neoXite: are you using keys or just pass ?
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15:27<djc>fxiny, i dont think he is complaining about error messages from luks, he's complainging that after he types in ia luks passphrase, ordinary kernel booting messages are shown, that should be suppressed by the 'quiet' option
15:27<fxiny>djc: yes , i understand it , could be his initrd
15:27<fxiny>just guessing
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15:28<fxiny>but i have no experience about suppressing kernel mesages
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15:28<djc>oh
15:28<djc>i was just about to paste a url for iatn
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15:30<baye>slt
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15:31<fxiny>so . i think luks builds the key thinking about a specific partition , cylinders ? sectors ? something like that ? could be
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15:32<fxiny>if this is true (not sure) i can only say is a nice feature
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15:33<baye>slt
15:33<baye>cocucou
15:33<abrotman>baye: do you need help?
15:33<fxiny>but i can disable keys and load whit a pass
15:33<Athunye>Hello. What could be a reason why, after reconfiguring /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/init.d/networking restart does not work. Olny rebooting the pc really "reconfig" the network configuration ?
15:33<baye>yes
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15:34<abrotman>Athunye: what did you change?
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15:35<Athunye>abrotman: address, gateway and netmask.
15:35<fxiny>but what if i change root partition dimensions ? that could be pretty dangerous becasue i suppose i can't boot into root to disable keys
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15:35<Clear>How do I add someone to the sudoers file, and where is that file?
15:35<abrotman>Athunye: that's all you changed?
15:35<Athunye>abrotman: Yes.
15:35<abrotman>!tell Clear about grounding
15:36<abrotman>Athunye: can you show us the file ? paste.debian.net
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15:36<e7th04sh>hi
15:36<tfubard>!tell tfubard about grounding
15:36<abrotman>!tell tfubard about selftell
15:36<baye>what iz this logiciel?
15:37<e7th04sh>i've been here a few days ago, and remeber somebody told me how to get flash content working... cause riught now it plain sucks
15:37<baye>help me!
15:37<abrotman>baye: what language do you speak?
15:37<abrotman>!br
15:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:37<abrotman>ermm
15:37<abrotman>!fr
15:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
15:37<e7th04sh>but i didn't do that - had other things to do... and didn't log irc or write down the solution
15:37<abrotman>e7th04sh: which version of debian?
15:37<e7th04sh>lenny
15:37<e7th04sh>5.0.0
15:38<abrotman>!tell e7th04sh about dmm
15:38<abrotman>is that what they told you to do?
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15:38<e7th04sh>not sure, but whatever solves my problem, is okay :]
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15:38<Athunye>abrotman: I'm sorry I can't right now, because the files were in 10 pcs at a school, last week. The thing is that the network was connecting ok, then I had to edit the file, and restart the network. After restarting the network, I wouldn't get connected anymore. Then I rebooted the machines, and they started to connect again. Basically that.
15:38<abrotman>did you already install flash ?
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15:39<mimiloon>hi everybody, i'm new to linux and I have a problem with my sound card working in vmware; it works fine in debian 5.0 but it won't get detected in vmware and i get this message: msg.noAutodetectBackingQuestion:Cannot connect virtual device sound. No corresponding device is available on the host. Would you like an attempt to be made to connect this virtual device every time you power on the virtual machine? ..... any way i can sol
15:39<baye>#debian-fr
15:39<abrotman>baye: /join #debian-fr
15:39<e7th04sh>abrotman, i have fresh instal;l with netinst cd, 5.0.0 and i believe i have this gnash here
15:39<baye>thank you
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15:40<fxiny>look at that ! the bug chaser :P
15:40<baye>#debian-fr
15:40<fxiny>eicar , wt4x !
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15:41<Athunye>abrotman: The Debian boxes are working ok. But I got frustrated and did not understand why the hell I had to restart the entire system to get the network connecting again.
15:42<fxiny>restart the network next
15:42<baye>excuz me you're in which countries?
15:42<abrotman>Athunye: i would have had to have seen the changes ..
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15:42<abrotman>baye: /join #debian-fr
15:42<Athunye>abrotman: Weel, they are the same I use at home.
15:43<abrotman>but they're at school ...
15:44<Athunye>abrotman: Hmm. Wait. I guess I have a backup of the files of the school in my pendrive.
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15:44<mimiloon>can anybody help me please?
15:44<Athunye>mimiloon: Ask, please ask...
15:44<baye>yes i have joined #debian-fr
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15:45<mimiloon>I have a problem with my sound card working in vmware; it works fine in debian 5.0 as a host but it won't get detected in vmware and i get this message: msg.noAutodetectBackingQuestion:Cannot connect virtual device sound. No corresponding device is available on the host. Would you like an attempt to be made to connect this virtual device every time you power on the virtual machine? ..... any way i can solve this problem?
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15:46<e7th04sh>they say i have to "dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring"
15:46<e7th04sh>but fiurst i need to dl the package - where shopuld i put it?
15:47<craigevil>e7th04sh: just use aptitude aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring
15:47<e7th04sh>thx
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15:48<e7th04sh>strange
15:48<e7th04sh>i get this prompt "Continue? [T/n/?]
15:48<e7th04sh>and when i try T (or t) it says that it's incorrect command
15:48<flokidoki>hi, i need a tool for scheduled back-up of directories to an external hard-drive. could you suggest one? a graphical and light-weight (i'm using lxde on debian lenny) tool would be better.
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15:49<Athunye>abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m2bcc964b
15:49<abrotman>flokidoki: you could just make a cron rsync job ?
15:49<e7th04sh>it's serious... i can;t continue with apt
15:50<e7th04sh>in english it would be Y/n
15:50<e7th04sh>yes - no, in polish it's Tak/nie
15:50<abrotman>Athunye: did you try an ifdown/ifup .. or just restarting networking ?
15:50-!-rjent__ [~rjent@dpc6935161201.direcpc.com] has joined #debian
15:50<Athunye>abrotman: Just tried restarting it.
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15:50<amphi>e7th04sh: did you try 'y' ?
15:51<e7th04sh>yes, just before you wrote this...
15:51<e7th04sh>it worked, but that's weird, isn;t it?
15:51<abrotman>Athunye: oh .. the script does an ifup/ifdown
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15:51<abrotman>Athunye: but on restart it doesn't restart lo ..
15:52<Athunye>abrotman: So, I should use stop/start ?
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15:52<abrotman>Athunye: no, i would have had to see the error message to really help i think. what you're saying doesn't really make sense, and it should have worked
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15:53<Athunye>abrotman: There was no error message. Just I was not able to connect anymore until I restarted the system...
15:54<Athunye>abrotman: And the ping timed out.
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15:54<flokidoki>abrotman: thanks, rsync looks good. i will try.
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15:54<amphi>e7th04sh: seems a bit naughty - a buglet perhaps?
15:55<abrotman>Athunye: and you didn't check your route or to see if the IP was actually there?
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15:55<e7th04sh>if buglet means small bug, then perhaps yes :] anyways, i have swfdec installed... is gnash working better?
15:55<Athunye>abrotman: I could ping the gateway ok.
15:57<abrotman>Athunye: that doesn't mean your route was okay
15:57<amphi>e7th04sh: yeah, 'small bug' - '-let' is a dimiutive
15:57<amphi>*diminutive
15:57<e7th04sh>like in piglet :]
15:57<Athunye>abrotman: So, why after restarting the whole system, it just connected ?
15:57<amphi>e7th04sh: right
15:57<abrotman>because it altered your route
15:57<e7th04sh>that's funny, we have a word kot for cat, but kotlet is not small cat... it's a meat meal
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15:58<amphi>but 'kotlet' is probably imported
15:58<Athunye>abrotman: OK. Tanks for your tips. Tomorrow I'll have to go there, and I'll inspect this a little more. :)
15:59<fxiny>amphi: he's talking about the "cotoletta" = kotlet :P
15:59<e7th04sh>imported?
15:59<amphi>fxiny: yes - 'culet' auf englisch
15:59<chealer>e7th04sh: swfdec and gnash are both little more than piles of bugs (at least the last time I tried them)
15:59<amphi>fxiny: er, cutlet
15:59<fxiny>amphi: hehehe
16:00<e7th04sh>funny, in polish wikipedia they say that it's our national meal
16:00<amphi>e7th04sh: borrowed from another language
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16:01<amphi>e7th04sh: anything about the etymology?
16:01<e7th04sh>nop
16:01<fxiny>amphi: in english sounds more logic : "small cut"
16:01<amphi>e7th04sh: it's .fr originally, as far as I know - cotelette or some such
16:02<e7th04sh>perhaps - still, it's most popular dinner here
16:02<fxiny>amphi: but here is from little "costola" = rib , so "let" works in the same way :)
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16:03<e7th04sh>żeberka
16:03<e7th04sh>well, "riblets" :P
16:03<amphi>fxiny: ditto in .fr - in english it just means 'small cut', which is fairly dumb ;)
16:03<e7th04sh>languages are funny
16:03<amphi>e7th04sh: yeah, always interesting
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16:18<Arrow>is it possible to install Berly in 5.0 ? pretty new to debian with desktop....
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16:18<abrotman>beryl is long dead
16:18<Arrow>ok
16:19<Arrow>is there any other way to get a nice desktop ?
16:19<abrotman>!compiz
16:19<dpkg>from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net.
16:19<Arrow>ok
16:20<Arrow>thank you, now Im gonna check it out :-)
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16:23<oem>Hey!
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16:23<oem>I am a newbie! Can somebody help me with a kind of easy thing?
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16:24<abrotman>oem: just ask
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16:24<oem>The "TEST" button in System/ screens and graphics is grey and i can't click it to test resolution. How do i make it usable?
16:26<abrotman>in kde?
16:26<oem>in ubuntu
16:26<abrotman>you want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
16:26<oem>7.10 (gutsy)
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16:27<oem>oh! sorry
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16:35<e7th04sh>how can i check which flkash player my iceweasel is using?
16:35<petern>about:plugins
16:36<abrotman>if you right click on flash and it says "About Adobe Flash" ...
16:36<e7th04sh>it says nothing -.-
16:36<e7th04sh>and works very bad
16:36<e7th04sh>altough i installed macromedia flash player from dmm
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16:37<e7th04sh>damn :/
16:38<e7th04sh>petern, i did not get that
16:38<simonrvn>
16:38<abrotman>e7th04sh: did you restart all your browsers?
16:38<e7th04sh>yep
16:38<abrotman>where did you put the libflashplayer.so ?
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16:38<e7th04sh>i have shockwave flash listed
16:39<djc>is there something in the Ubuntu docs that suggests people come here?
16:39<e7th04sh>i did not put anything anywhere, i just used synaptic
16:39<abrotman>djc: they just don't know any better
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16:39<e7th04sh>exactly, i could spend a whole day searching web with google :(
16:39<abrotman>e7th04sh: updatedb && locate libflashplayer.so
16:40<e7th04sh>/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
16:42<abrotman>update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so 10
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16:43<e7th04sh>and now checking if things work, right?
16:43<abrotman>e7th04sh: run that, then `update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so` and make sure you choose the libflashpalyer.so .. and then restart all your browsers
16:44<djc>abrotman, yeah, but its not like you 'accidentally' come here.. i wonder if someone searches help 'ubuntu irc help' if this channel is referenced
16:44<e7th04sh>thank you, everything is working perfect
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16:45<e7th04sh>well i came here because this is default irc server named Debian
16:45<abrotman>djc: one of the clients defaults here .. fixed in the not yet released versoin
16:45<djc>in what?
16:45<djc>AH
16:45<neoXite>hello, i need to enable ip networking in my lenny initrd and have gotten as far as IP-Config leasing an ip address from the DHCP server. on an initrd shell the command 'ipconfig eth0' works fine, but i can't figure out the syntax to just manually specify an ip confiuration
16:45<e7th04sh>xchat
16:45<djc>ok
16:45<djc>that explains it
16:45<e7th04sh>:D
16:45<abrotman>e7th04sh: but you're using lenny .. he's not talking about you
16:45<e7th04sh>sorry for the trouble and thanks for all the help
16:45<djc>i migrated my prior xchat config over before I ran it, so I must have missed that
16:46<neoXite>'ipconfig eth0 192.168.1.1' does not work
16:46<djc>I actually sought this channel out ;)
16:46<e7th04sh>:D
16:46<abrotman>!interfaces
16:46<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>.
16:46<djc>neoXite, why not just use the network admin gui?
16:47<abrotman>why not learn how it's really done?
16:47<djc>presumably you want it to set itself each time you boot, as opposed to having to manuall set it
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16:48<neoXite>djc, well, i've never heard of that before. i simply couldn't find any decent documentation on the 'ipconfig' tool
16:48<djc>man ipconfig?
16:48<abrotman>neoXite: man 5 interfaces
16:48<tcsetattr>it's called ifconfig, it configures interfaces not interpaces
16:48<neoXite>all manpages i've looked up deal with ifconfig instead of ipconfig
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16:49<neoXite>ipconfig is in package 'net-tools'
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16:49<abrotman>no, that's plipconfig
16:49<neoXite>and lenny by default includes it in the initrd
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16:50<neoXite>hold on, i'll double check
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16:50<GnomeAfterAll>hello :)
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16:50<neoXite>sorry, need to correct myself: 'ipconfig' is in package klibc-utils
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16:51<perlsyntax>d can you install that on the hard drive?
16:51<abrotman>neoXite: you don't want to use that ..
16:52<abrotman>neoXite: what are you really trying to do ?
16:52<perlsyntax>the live deb cdd
16:52<perlsyntax>i just want to make sure i download the right one
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16:53<LuftWoffle>back, sorry
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16:54<abrotman>neoXite: what are you really trying to do ?
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16:54<tcsetattr>so there is an ipconfig... there's a README in the klibc source that lists the options.
16:54<GnomeAfterAll>abrotman, i guess he is trying to be AFK
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16:55<Axan>Lu
16:55<neoXite>i'm trying to use a new feature in package dropbear (0.52-1), it's supposed to enable you to remotely unlock encrypted root partitions while the system is still in initrd
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16:56<abrotman>and you have to reconfigure your network for that?
16:56<neoXite>the docs told me to make sure i've set up an ip stack via boot line.
16:56<Golfgeo>anyone got a new version of sane running?
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16:56<neoXite>well, if possible i want to assign a static ip for that setup
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16:57<abrotman>neoXite: so why won't you `man 5 interfaces` already ?
16:58<neoXite>i want to use this feature on root servers that are not connected to dhcp servers
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16:58<neoXite>abrotman: either i'm blind, or it's not covered there
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16:58<neoXite>i see ifconfig getting covered there
16:58<abrotman>stop thinking about ipconfig .. jeez
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16:59<neoXite>okay then let me repose the question
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17:00<neoXite>how do i up a NIC with a statically assigned ip address from the GRUB boot line?
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17:01<neoXite>i only came up with ipconfig because i witnessed that tool getting triggered when trying to use the ip=192.168.x.x argument
17:02<djeky>hey all
17:02<eljefe>ipconfig isn't a command on linux
17:02<djeky>ipconfig (win/os) = ifconfig (unix/os)
17:02<abrotman>neoXite: what does grub have to do with it?
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17:03<djeky>i need help about port knocking
17:03<tcsetattr>people coming in late to the conversation, we've established that there is indeed an ipconfig. read your scrollback before you blurt out things.
17:03<neoXite>well grub being the bootloader, and me wanting to tell the kernel 'use that ip adress for eth0' prior to any interaction with the shell..
17:04<tcsetattr>read all about it: apt-get source klibc;less klibc*/usr/kinit/ipconfig/README
17:04<neoXite>dropbear comes with initramfs hooks that allow it to run from within initrd
17:04<tcsetattr>also, see Documentation/filesystems/nfsroot.txt for the explanation of that ip= kernel parameter.
17:04<neoXite>tcsetattr, thanks, i'll do that
17:05<neoXite>was actually half way there downloading the source package to look for hidden docs =D
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17:06<tcsetattr>it looks fairly difficult to use. I'd try to find a way to get ifconfig working on the initrd instead
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17:08<abrotman>that sounds ridiculously more complicated than just configuring it after the server is up
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17:09<tcsetattr>his idea is that he doesn't want the server to have access to its root filesystem (where /etc/ would be) until it gets a key from some remote person. sounds weird but SHOULD take us away from the "just use /etc/network/interfaces" kneejerk response.
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17:10<neoXite>tcsetattr, i might do that. i had another setup that did use ifconfig, however lenny somehow broke it. it worked fine on etch, and in lenny it gives me 'can't access tty; job control turned off' instead
17:10<tcsetattr>nevertheless, in #debian, knees jerk wildly as people don't think they need to read anything but the last line sent before they jump in with bad answers.
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17:11<neoXite>well, no hard feelings, i guess everyone here has had somewhat experimental ideas about his debian setup at some point
17:11<abrotman>it wasn't really a bad answer .. but it's not a very common desire to do something that goofy :)
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17:12<tcsetattr>I wonder if there's any reasonable scenario in which remotely injecting a key to the root filesystem actually helps security
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17:13<neoXite>well the idea is to get an SSHd to run, then enter a passphrase through that encrypted terminal
17:15<neoXite>first you authenticate using a private RSA key, then submit the passphrase like this: 'echo -n "my_secret_passphrase" > /lib/cryptsetup/passfifo'
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17:19<e7th04sh>what tool do i use to record sounds from mic?
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17:20<Defender>sound recorder?
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17:20<ed__>yo
17:21<amphi>e7th04sh: audacity?
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17:21<ringo999>after "adduser --disabled-login" how to i enable login again. I need to set the password, but how?
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17:22<Guest210>I lost my profile in /etc/profile, someone could send me a backup plz?
17:22<e7th04sh>ok, let me rephrase it - i want to check if my microphone will work
17:23<e7th04sh>how do i do it, in such a way, to know exactly what failed, if anything
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17:24<hobophobe>My HD has /dev/sda1 as windows and flag boot. If I format this to ext3 (removing windows) so I can use it for linux will that cause problems with booting or is the boot sector stored separately from the rest of the fs?
17:24<e7th04sh>:] invasion of "help me"
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17:25<amphi>e7th04sh: I don't use a mic here, but I imagine audicty's level meters would be a handy enough indicator
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17:25<e7th04sh>amphi, i'll try it then, thank you
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17:25<valdyn>hobophobe: boot sector is seperate
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17:26<zem>valdyn: formating doesn't remove boot sector?
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17:26<valdyn>hobophobe: bootable flag is not used by linux
17:26<valdyn>zem: right
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17:26<miksuh>e7th04sh: do you use gnome?
17:27<miksuh>if you do use gnome then:
17:27<e7th04sh>yep
17:27<hobophobe>Okay, great. I will give it a go then :) For resizing, you can't resize the first partition on disk, but I can resize the /dev/sda2 (my /) to eat up that space?
17:27<miksuh>1) go to volume control, make sure that mic is not muted and volume is not 0
17:27<djc>ringo999, usermod
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17:27<miksuh>e7th04sh: then just go to System->preferences->sound
17:28<miksuh>go to devices tab
17:28<miksuh>there is audio conferences section
17:28<djc>just type that by itself to get some help, or 'man usermod' for more detailed info
17:28<e7th04sh>i am there
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17:28<miksuh>click test button on left side of "Sound capture"
17:29<e7th04sh>have double "via 8235"
17:29<miksuh>then say something to mic
17:29<e7th04sh>alsa, and oss
17:29<miksuh>if it works you should hear something :)
17:29<e7th04sh>alsa?
17:29<miksuh>it depends on what audio system you use
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17:29<miksuh>alsa, pulseaudio what ever
17:29<miksuh>i use pulseaudio
17:30<ringo999>djc: ok
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17:30<e7th04sh>i have options via8235 (why 2?), alsa and OSS... what do i actually choose there?
17:30<miksuh>alsa
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17:30<miksuh>select that
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17:30<e7th04sh>but what is that i am choosing?
17:30<miksuh>select alsa
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17:30<e7th04sh>ok, i do :P
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17:31<e7th04sh>it seems somethig is wrong with my hardware
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17:31<e7th04sh>i have a working mic, that works oin the other pc, make that two mics
17:31<e7th04sh>and they only provide me with white noise here
17:31<e7th04sh>i formatted windows, and the problem did not stop
17:31<e7th04sh>on debian it is the same
17:31<e7th04sh>:/
17:32<djc>sounds like it
17:32<djc>sure you got the mic plug?
17:32<e7th04sh>the mic is plugged into the correct socket
17:33<e7th04sh>it's all marked correctly
17:33<e7th04sh>i'd suppose that something is corrupted in hardware
17:33<djc>then unless that input is somehow 'turned off' in software/driver, something is probably wrong with the soundcard.. esp if you have the same problem in another OS as well
17:34<djc>or sound 'chipset' if its integrated into your mainboard
17:34<e7th04sh>hm, 2be honest, this hardware set is so messed up, that it's hard to tell what's wrong :
17:34<e7th04sh>:P
17:35<e7th04sh>if you saw my soundset, you'd rage :P
17:36<djc>I'd do what?
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17:36<hobophobe>Thanks for the help valdyn
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17:37<e7th04sh>umm
17:37<e7th04sh>you'd be *very* surprised that it casn be working?
17:37<amphi>heh
17:37<e7th04sh>unless you are like me when it comes to hardware :P
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17:38<e7th04sh>(no need to fix or throw out, when i simply need t gently/.... put... that plug here... or rather here... oh - exactly here. See? It works... oh, wait a sec, let's put it back here, it should work now. ) stuff
17:41<action09>hi all
17:42<action09>On http://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd?highlight=(cd)|(burn) can i use mkisofs and wodim to make and burn an iso on a DVD9 ?
17:42<action09>please
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17:44<zem>e7th04sh: check in volume control if you have mic boost enabled, it might help
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17:45<e7th04sh>i see no mic boost button here, in gnome ;/
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17:46<e7th04sh>oh, i got it
17:46<djc>action09, do you just want to store some data on a dvd, or do yu want to make a DVD Video you can play on a consumer dvd player?
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17:46<e7th04sh>oh, it helps... to determine i have something faulty :(
17:46<djc>action09, personally, I like k3b
17:46<e7th04sh>i got +20 dB of noise
17:46<djc>for burning CD and DVD
17:47<djc>if you want to make a dvd you can play on a dvd player, you need to create the structure correctly, and you need a dvd authoring tool
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17:47<djc>er, the authoring tool with create the structure.. you also need to make sure the video files are in the correct format/codecs/etc
17:48<djc>09? were you previously ring099 ?
17:48<djc>if so, it helps if you stick with on nick on irc rather than choosing a new one each time
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17:51<action09>djc only store data on a DVD, i'm asking myself if these commands in the wiki are compatible with a DVD9 ?
17:52<djc>action09, as long as your writer is
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17:53<Immolo>Hello, I'm having an issue setting up samba in lenny is this a known problem as some website seem to say or is it just my config?
17:54<dondelelcaro>Immolo: if it's a known issue, there should be a bug filed.
17:54<abrotman>or tell us more about your issue
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17:55<SeLEct>Hello, i wanna get rid of X completely, to make my sys only CLI. could anyone help with the best way of doing that?
17:56<djc>/etc/inid.d/gdm stop
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17:57<Immolo>well I'm basically trying to get a share up but I can't get nautlis can sometimes see it but won't connect and mount.cifs gives me mount error 6 = No such device or address
17:57<SeLEct>whats gdm?
17:57<djc>!gdm
17:57<dpkg>hmm... gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console)
17:57<djc>!xdm
17:57<dpkg>rumour has it, xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*)
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17:57<diop>ciao
17:58<djc>gdm replaces xdm in recent debian
17:58<tcsetattr>this should rid of most of it: apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-core libx11-6
17:58<djc>note thats if you want to *permanently* remove X
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17:58<SeLEct>djc with that get rid if X completely?
17:58<djc>as opposed to just shutting it off for the current session
17:59<SeLEct>djc i want to remove it perm
17:59<djc>tcsetattr, x clients might rely in some of those libraries
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17:59<abrotman>SeLEct: you want X unisntalled or stopped ?
17:59<SeLEct>uninstalled
17:59<SeLEct>fully
17:59<djc>and do you just want the X server removed, or everything that might ever make use of X (including remotely)
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17:59<SeLEct>djc yes
17:59<SeLEct>anything that has to do with X
18:00<djc>then what tcsetattr said
18:00<djc><tcsetattr> this should rid of most of it: apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-core libx11-6
18:00<SeLEct>djc it wants to remove perl?
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18:01<djc>maybe you dont want that
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18:01<SeLEct>or w8 i saw wrong gonna check the hole list just to be sure anyway
18:01<djc>do you absolutely need it uninstalled, or mainly just dont want it to run?
18:02<SeLEct>djc will x return next time i apt-get upgrade ?
18:02<action09>djc ok thanks ! :)
18:02<djc>upgrade only upgrades what you already have installed
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18:02<SeLEct>djc it seems right, it just wants to delete everything that has to do with x
18:02<djc>if you mainly just dont want it to run, and arent worried about it being there, just remove gdm
18:02<djc>or disable gsm
18:03<ml>SeLEct: why don't you do it with aptitude and select fromthe list what you want to get rid off and not
18:03<digitaloktay>!ping
18:03<dpkg>pong
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18:03<djc>ml, if one wanted to leave it all installed and just stop gdm from running on boot, how would one do that
18:03<djc>eg, whats the equivalent of fedora's chkconfig
18:04<djc>if you know
18:04<djc>or the cli equivalent of services-admin
18:04<djc>!services
18:04<dpkg>services is, like, to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
18:04<djc>!rcconf
18:04<dpkg>hmm... rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done
18:05<ml>djc: purgeing gdm
18:05<djc>ml I'm sure theres a way to just tell gdm not to start while leaving it installed
18:06<ml>djc: oh that's what you want, don't remenber right now
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18:06<SeLEct>ml may i pm u?
18:06<djc>well, no, I dont want that.. was just asking theoretically
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18:07<ml>SeLEct: sure
18:07<amphi>djc: you can remove the sylink in /etc/rc2.d
18:07<amphi>djc: or you can chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
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18:07<ml>hey amphi
18:07<amphi>'nabend ml
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18:09<djc>amphi, is that what services-admin does?
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18:10<amphi>djc: I don't know about 'services-admin' - you can use update-rc.d to remove the symlinks from /etc/rc?.d
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18:14<amphi>!qotd0
18:14<dpkg><Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid
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18:15<valdyn>!nodm
18:15<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
18:15<valdyn>djc: ^^
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18:35<T-8oo>whooohooo
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18:35<T-8oo>hello folks
18:35<T-8oo>i now it is late, but i wanna say: I love Debian OS :)
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18:37<T-8oo>ok, i have to go to sleep
18:37<T-8oo>it is 11:37pm
18:37<T-8oo>good night, cya
18:37<amphi>n8
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18:38<ml>!tell SeLEct -about aptitude
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18:54<mimiloon>hi everybody, i have a problem installing OSS (open sound system) in debian 5.0 so sound can work in vmware server 2.0; can anybody help me resolve this issue please?
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18:55<ludwig>hallo!
18:56<mimiloon>hi
18:56<ludwig>I still have trouble with booting from an IDE2CF device ... booting the same system (CF-card) from an USB cardreader works fine.
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18:57<ludwig>Boot process resets at initialization of the ATIIXP driver, when it has to read the partition table of the CF
18:57<djc>mimiloon, you should need to do that
18:57<djc>ludwig, are you sure the machine supports booting directyl from that device?
18:58<djc>mimiloon, er, shouldNT
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18:59<djc>mimiloon, try starting vmware as 'ossdsp vmware...'
18:59<ludwig>djc, well, it is a normal IDE device
18:59<djc>mimiloon, either that or try VirtualBox instead of vmware
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18:59<ludwig>djc, Grub starts, kernel starts and works fine - until ATIIXP loading
18:59<djc>ludwig, ah ok... can you access that device normally after its been booted?
18:59<djc>er, after the system is booted
19:00<djc>from elsewhere?
19:00<mimiloon>djc: thanks for the info, but i'm completely lost because i'm new to linux and vmware
19:00<djc>mimiloon, what are you trying to accomplish?
19:00<ludwig>djc, with the same card and device I can boot properly another host
19:00<djc>eg, why do you need vmware
19:00<djc>ludwig, does it give an error ?
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19:01<ludwig>djc, no. It either resets the host or hangs with a black screen
19:01<djc>hrm
19:01<ludwig>djc, s. http://debian.pastebin.com/m6d5da4b4
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19:02<ludwig>djc, it's just the last few lines
19:03<djc>is there an initrd on that card?
19:03<mimiloon>djc: here's the settings of my system: my host OS is Debian 5.0, and i want to be able to run windows xp pro as a guest OS. i need the sound to be able to work in xp pro but it gives me an error that no sound card is detected in vmware
19:04<ludwig>yes, there is
19:04<ludwig>djc, there is
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19:04<djc>mimiloon, try starting vmware with "ossdsp vmware...."
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19:04<ludwig>djc, there is a complete Debian host on that CF
19:04<djc>ludwig, perhaps you need different modules in the initrd for this hardware?
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19:04<djc>mimiloon, you might want to use 'VirtualBox' to run windows, instead of vmware
19:05<djc>mimiloon, its more debian-friendly
19:05<ludwig>djc, You mean it could be there is another IDE module for that chipset?
19:06<djc>mimiloon, if its not the same ide controller that the box that it boots up ok in, perhaps
19:06<djc>er
19:06<djc>ludwig,
19:06<djc>:P
19:06<mimiloon>djc: i'm completely lost.
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19:06<djc>dammit
19:07<djc>mimiloon, when you start vmware, add 'ossdsp ' at the beginning of the command
19:07<djc>but, instead of using vmware, you might want to use a different program, called 'VirtualBox' to run windows
19:07<mimiloon>djc: i'll try VirtualBox later on
19:08<mimiloon>maybe sometime tonight
19:08<djc>you can install that from debian's aptitude or synaptic package manager
19:09<mimiloon>thanx for the info, i'll try all the suggestions you've given me
19:09<ludwig>djc, I will have a look on what controller the host has.
19:09<djc>I wish I could change xchat to use unix keybindings instead of windows
19:09<djc>Control-W is *NOT* 'close tab/window'
19:09<djc>it should be 'delete last word on line'
19:09<ludwig>djc, me too
19:09<SeLEct>is there no way to just "upgrade" 1 app/package
19:09<abrotman>which package
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19:10<SeLEct>lets say postfix
19:10<djc>SeLEct, sure there is.. but if it depends on other packages, it may need to upgrade those too
19:10<ludwig>djc, at least Ctrl+A, Ctrl+K and Ctrl+E should jump to the beginning of the line, delete to the end of the line and jump to the end of the line respectively
19:10<abrotman>let's say the actual package you want
19:10<djc>ludwig, EXACTLY!
19:10<SeLEct>postfix
19:10<abrotman>!ssb
19:10<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
19:10<ludwig>djc, even if I prefer using VIM than Emacs, but this is one other story ... ;)
19:11<djc>abrotman, i dont think that info is relevant
19:11<djc>SeLEct, you can just use apt-get (or aptitude, or synaptic) to tell that packatge to update.. but if it depends on other packlages, those may need to be updated too
19:11<abrotman>djc: yes it is
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19:12<djc>abrotman, why does he need to compile anything from source to update?
19:12<abrotman>if aptitude install postfix doesn't get him what he wants, he'll have to create his own package
19:12<abrotman>SeLEct: what's wrong with the veresion of postfix you already have?
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19:12<djc>SeLEct, what is it you want?
19:12<SeLEct>djc postfix dosnt really need x11-common but when i try apt-get update postfix it wants to install that to
19:12<SeLEct>abrotman noting really but if there is a newer one why not upgrade?
19:12<abrotman>x11-common is not X
19:13<abrotman>SeLEct: because then you're responsible for all aspects of that software .. including security
19:13<SeLEct>what about gnome-desktop-data? im sure postfix dosnt need that one
19:13<abrotman>if the newer software doesn't get you a feature you need, why upgrade
19:13<abrotman>SeLEct: something else is going on .. paste all the output in a pastebin
19:13<djc>SeLEct, ther eis probably some utility that it includes that has a GUI..let it install it, that doesnt mean you have to use X
19:13<abrotman>SeLEct: and the output of `apt-cache policy`
19:14<djc>unless you have some *specific* need, stick with the latest version in debian
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19:15<djc>ludwig, i'd like to find where "^w" as 'close window' is defined and at least undefine it
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19:15<djc>from years and years of typing at a bash prompt where it just wiped out the last word typed, i hit it so often by habit
19:16<djc>then linux wm's and apps started using 'windows-like' keyboard shortcuts to make it easier for windows noobs to use.. sigh
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19:17<abrotman>guess he didn't care that much after all
19:17<djc>anything that did that should have included a global setting 'dont use stupid windows keyboard commands'
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19:18<djc>xchat allows you to set/change a few of the shortcuts.. but ^w close window isnt one of them
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19:18<Swat2>i cant seem to kill: root 23494 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Ds 2008 160:22 [vmware-serverd] using kill -9 23494, any ideas?
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19:19<abrotman>kill the parent ?
19:19<djc>sward, its parent process prob....
19:19<Swat2>cant seem to find its parent
19:20<valdyn>Swat2: that is a kernel thread, you cant kill it
19:20<abrotman>try ps -ef
19:20<abrotman>oh see .. valdyn gets all smart on us :)
19:20<valdyn>Swat2: mind the [] <- kernel thread
19:20<djc>abrotman, maybe /etc/init.d/vmware stop
19:20<Swat2>ahh
19:20<Swat2>so its dead, and cant be killed further until reboot?
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19:20<Swat2>;)
19:21<s3a>whats the difference between business card and net-inst?
19:21<djc>if you stop vmware, i think it rmmods its modules, and that will make that go away
19:21<Swat2>ok
19:21<Swat2>i try rmmod
19:21<djc>no
19:21<djc>"if you stop vmware", i think it rmmods its modules, and that will make that go away
19:21<Swat2>i cant stop it
19:21<djc>use the init script that vmware installed to 'stop' vmware
19:21<Swat2>it just sits there for everywhere /etc/init.d/vmware stop
19:21<djc>if it wont stop, are you sure you shutdown all vms?
19:22<blarson>s3a: net-inst has base system, business card doesn't.
19:22<Swat2>djc: it froze up
19:22<Swat2>i dun care about the VM :P
19:22<djc>s3a, i thought you wanted to put a whole cd image
19:22<s3a>blarson, business downloads base from internet?
19:22<djc>sward, maybe you just need to reboot then?
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19:22<djc>vmware can be a pain in the ass
19:22<blarson>s3a: yes
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19:22<Swat2>:( 411 day uptime down the tube
19:22<s3a>djc, im going to try this because the other method is really not working
19:23<djc>s3a, did you get hung up again?
19:23<djc>s3a, did you continue with that guide from where you left off?
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19:23<ludwig>djc, I use xchat so rarely I am too lazy to figure out how to setup the keybindings :)
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19:24<djc>ludwig, you use something else more? or you dont use irc that much?
19:24<themill>Swat2: you may want to patch your vulnerable kernel while you're at it then.
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19:25<ludwig>djc, I do not use IRC that muc
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19:26<Swat2>yer 2.6.23.14 is pretty old now
19:26<Swat2>but its been very stable and good to me
19:26<Swat2>:)
19:27<themill>Old is less important than the known vulnerabilities in it.
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19:28<Swat2>is there a few root exploits for it?
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19:29<s3a>djc, im gonna do the easy way, use business iso, install only base then use base to install gdm
19:29<themill>Swat2: Given that 2.6.23.15 was released over a year ago with various fixes marked "security", I would assume so.
19:30<s3a>djc, business card should still be able to detect my ethernet right?
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19:30<themill>Swat2: and 2.6.23.16 shortly after that with a CVE number attached... (you get the picture, right?)
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19:33<Swat2>yer
19:33<Swat2>it'll have to be a weekend job
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19:33<Swat2>cheers for the help ladies n gents
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19:34<meoblast001>hi..... i'm looking to install Debian on my laptop...... i haven't installed debian in a long time... which version could fit on one CD but contains Gnome?
19:34<meoblast001>or do none?
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19:35<djc>If you get the first disc you should be fine
19:35<djc>it can get any less common packages from the net
19:36<djc>wait.. you want the whole of debian on one disc?
19:36<FoxM>Hi. I can't umount my /dev/sbd usb stick. How do I know what process is using it?
19:36<djc>FoxM, man lsof
19:36<meoblast001>djc: sort of like how Ubuntu puts just what you need on the disk
19:36<FoxM>djc: thanks...
19:36<meoblast001>djc: i want something like that, but Debian
19:37<djc>meoblast001, well, if you get the first disc of lenny it should have the most common packages
19:37<meoblast001>ok thanks
19:37<djc>to get a system up and running, with gui
19:37<djc>dvd 1 will obviously have more than cd 1
19:37<meoblast001>djc: another question.... if i want to make a mirror with just the basics.... what would i want to do?
19:38<djc>!mirroring
19:38<djc>bah
19:38<djc>Not sure
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19:38<meoblast001>djc: would i just use debian mirroring tools to get them or should is trip them from the disk?
19:38<meoblast001>djc: i've played around with mirroring before but i don't know the best method
19:38<djc>you want this for yourself? or you want to offer it to public?
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19:38<djc>if just for yourself, just download all the disc sets
19:38<meoblast001>djc: well... for myself for now.... this summer a few others and i are considering making a distro to suit our needs
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19:39<djc>to be honest, I have only CD1, and rely on the net for anything else
19:39<meoblast001>djc: but we need just the basics to start out
19:39<djc>unless you have a really flaky net connection
19:39<meoblast001>djc: my internet connection isn't the greatest but it works :P
19:39<djc>you should be find with either just CD1 or DVD1
19:39<meoblast001>oops.. i just remembered
19:39<djc>obviously you'll have to download that initially ;)
19:39<meoblast001>this thing has a broken CD drive
19:39<meoblast001>looks like i'm going USB :/
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19:40<djc>was just helping someone here trying to do that.. had the url to a guide on how to make a usb flash key up
19:40<e7th04sh>how do i restart apache?
19:40<djc>but if you can get one, i'd suggest trying to find a usb cdrom drive ;)
19:41<themill>e7th04sh: invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
19:41<djc>e7th04sh, /etc/init.d/apache restart?
19:41<e7th04sh>themill worked thx, djc thx
19:41<meoblast001>djc: i could use Ubuntu's method.. since this laptop has ran Ubuntu for the past year and a half and i know where the guide is :P
19:42<meoblast001>djc: should be similar for Debian
19:42<djc>I use apachectl on fbsc box
19:42<djc>er
19:42<meoblast001>djc: i haven't ran plain Debian in years :P
19:42<djc>fbsd
19:42<djc>meoblast001, well have fun
19:42<meoblast001>thanks
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19:45<e7th04sh>thanks for all help today :]
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19:47<meoblast001>djc: need debian now... computer too slow... ha
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20:00<rass>lolllll
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20:05<doom_buggy>is there an alternate package in the repos besides sun-java6?
20:05<doom_buggy>a java package
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20:05<doom_buggy>sun keeps crashing on my system
20:05<surfdue>hello i am installing a web control panel on my debian 4, and i have postfix asking me about what type of config, what should i put
20:06<surfdue>local only, internet, no config, or satelite
20:06<doom_buggy>internet
20:06<themill>doom_buggy: there are also openjdf-6-* packages
20:06<doom_buggy>if you will be accessing it over the INTERNET
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20:07<themill>doom_buggy: s/jdf/jdk/
20:07<surfdue>doom_buggy: ya its a hosting control panel
20:07<surfdue>hosting server
20:07<surfdue>so doom_buggy i need internet
20:07<doom_buggy>dunno. makes sense though. doesn't it?
20:08<surfdue>doom_buggy: not necisarily, i think it shouldbe local
20:08<djc>surfdue, if you are installing cpanel then everything you set in debian is irrelevant.. cpanel will take over your entire system
20:08<doom_buggy>themill: care to lend your opinion? i dont do web apps
20:08<surfdue>djc im installing open panel
20:09<djc>ah
20:09<djc>never heard of it
20:09<djc>got a url?
20:09<djc>nvm
20:09<surfdue>openpanel.com
20:09<surfdue>:]
20:09<djc>no demo
20:10<djc>i'd like to see it in operation
20:10<surfdue>its amazing
20:10<surfdue>to the extreme, look at s/s it looks like a mac app but its not
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20:11<djc>is it supposed to be similar to cpanel? eg to allow a hosting provider to let users manage their sites/etc?
20:11<djc>the ss are too small to see
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20:14<surfdue>yes
20:14<surfdue>it is
20:14<surfdue>postconf: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf for reading: No such file or directory poop
20:14<surfdue>what to do?
20:14<djc>does it force specific system deamons? eg does it have to use postfix? or can one modify it to usesomething else?
20:15<djc>eg, are the 'back end' bits of what its doing hookable?
20:15<surfdue>i dont know actually
20:15<surfdue>im really rusty on my system admin
20:15<surfdue>stuff
20:15<djc>i might setup a debian on virtualbox and play with it
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20:16<surfdue>there is a vmware image
20:16<djc>it also says its compat with debian 4
20:16<djc>not 5
20:16<surfdue>yes plus deb 5 just came out.
20:16<surfdue>didnt it?
20:16<djc>i think a month or so now
20:16<djc>sok
20:18<surfdue>djc: want to see a preview
20:18<surfdue>i just installed it
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20:22<djc>surfdue, oh, sure
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20:23<surfdue>djc: pm
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20:45<djc>ok, is there any magic I need to do to use a usb scanner with debian?
20:45<djc>ive got sane installed
20:46<djc>the scanner shows up in dmesg when i plug it in
20:46<djc>its an HP scanner, one that worked fine in fedora
20:46<djc>when xsane says it cant find any scanners
20:46<djc>s/when/yet/
20:46<djc>as does gscan2pdf
20:47<djc>the usb id matches one in /etc/sane.d/hp.conf
20:48<djc>sane-find-scanner is able to see it
20:49<djc>oddly, it also claims my usb NIC is a scanner :P
20:51<jrabbit>lol
20:51<jrabbit>insane.d
20:51<jrabbit>:)
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20:51<djc>heh
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20:53<ludwig>bye
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20:53<meoblast>jrabbit: what are you doing in here?
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20:57<jrabbit>meoblast: ?
20:58<meoblast>jrabbit: you're in #gnu as well
20:58<jrabbit>Yes.
20:58<jrabbit>and #ams-sucks
20:58<jrabbit>:>
20:58<djc>We're standing there pounding a dead parrot on the counter, and the management response is to frantically swap in new counters to see if that fixes the problem. -- Peter Gutmann in the Monastery
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21:07<forest>you're going to need a MUCH softer counter
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21:13<Pitxyoki>Hi!
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21:15<surfdue>ur excited.
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21:17<djc>ok.. wtf
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21:17<djc>if I plug it into the hub, it shows up in lsusb, but xsane doesnt find it
21:17<djc>if I plug it in directly, it works
21:17<djc>wtf
21:17<djc>it shows up is lsusb with the same device id either way
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21:19<djc>the scanner has its own ac power cord, so its not a power issue
21:20<djc>and the hub is powered anyway
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21:20<djc>with its own power supply
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21:20<djc>everything else on the hub works, which includes mouse, and NIC
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21:21<djc>the whole point of usb was that it was supposed to 'just work'..
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21:21<djc>why the heck would something work when connected direcyly to the usb port and not when connected via a hub
21:22<djc>even hough the device *does show* in lsusb either way
21:22<abrotman>it needs to draw power through the usb bus and the hub doesn't do that ?
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21:25<djc>1. the hub is a powered hub, with its own power support. 2. the scanner has its own ac power cord
21:25<djc>support/supply
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21:27<abrotman>just a thought .. don't shoot me!
21:29<djc>i wasnt
21:29<djc>:P
21:29<djc>this is with my laptop, and I *really* would like everything to connect via one usb port so if/when I need to take it out I dont have a pile of crap to unplug
21:30<djc>just the usb and power
21:30<djc>one usb
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21:31<ghee>hi guys, i'm using sid and messed with my /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh file to get usb working in vbox. Could anyone tell me what the default setting is for the "domount usbdevfs/usbfs..." line?
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21:31<djc>ghee, you dont need to do that
21:31<djc>that was prior to.. uhmm.. what obsolted that
21:31<djc>something
21:32<djc>procbususb
21:32<tcsetattr>"obsoleted" by udev if you consider udev a good thing. otherwise, not obsoleted at all.
21:32<djc>its automatic
21:32<djc>oh duh i misread the question anyway
21:33<tcsetattr>mine says: if [ -d /proc/bus/usb ]; then domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid; fi
21:33<ghee>don't know, usb wasn't working in a doze guest in vbox, and i found instructions for setting usb
21:33<ghee>tell tcsetattr thanks
21:33<djc>im on lenny
21:33<djc>i have
21:33<djc> domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid
21:33<tcsetattr>but I also have it in my fstab. so I don't know if it really works that way.
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21:34<tcsetattr>fstab seems to me like the right place for it. it's a filesystem, you want it moutned on boot, that's what fstab is for.
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21:37<ghee>tell tcsetattr funny i don't see a line for it in my fstab file but usb always worked fine until i messed with this .sh file
21:37<simonrvn>he's right there..
21:38<ghee>tell tcsetattr actually could i bother you for that line in your fstab? maybe that'll help...
21:38<tcsetattr>echo none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0
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21:38<tcsetattr>oops. echo none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 >>/etc/fstab
21:39<ghee>tell tcsetattr thanks
21:40<tcsetattr>probably will conflict with what udev wants to do if you don't make sure to be rid of udev
21:40<djc>http://pastebin.com/d49bfc45b - scanner connected via hub
21:40<djc>http://pastebin.com/d41deee6b - connected directly
21:40<djc>note the sane-find-scanner output line in both.. in the one where its connected directly, it adds the vendor/product. in the other, even though its the exact same device, it doesnt
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21:41<djc>Grrr
21:41<djc>this is making me angry
21:41<ghee>tell tcsetattr thanks again
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21:42<djc>for giggles and grins im gonna try a different hub
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21:43<djc>ok.. it works with a different hub
21:43*djc boggle
21:43<tcsetattr>interesting how lsusb says the same thing in both cases but the scanner thing doesn't.
21:44<djc>I suspect its getting that info from the scanner
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21:44<djc>and for whatever reason when it was plugged into the first hub it just wasnt talking
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21:53<jon_>hi all
21:54<djc>tcsetattr, feh. it found it, but it bombed when i tried to use it
21:54<djc>i guess its gonna be direct
21:54<djc>stupid usb
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21:58<djc>ok its being dodgy even direct
21:58<djc>wtf
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22:00<devries>The HP Pavilion dv2000 that I am working on doesn't have sound; I found a HowTo for Ubuntu but I am getting Make errors, can anyone look at this for me? http://pastebin.com/m7a0d82b1
22:00<djc>devries, are you using ubuntu or debian?
22:00<devries>debian
22:00<devries>sid
22:00<djc>and you are trying to compile ubuntu kernel modules?
22:00<djc>?!
22:00<devries>no, alsa modules
22:00<devries>and drivers etc
22:01<djc>fwiu sid is 'bleeding edge'. try lenny
22:01-!-sceuss [~sceuss@adsl190-28-167-100.epm.net.co] has joined #debian
22:01<devries>i did. same issue.
22:01<djc>what type of sound adapter do you have
22:02<djc>(lspci)
22:02<devries>per alsaconf: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
22:02<sceuss>lspci -v
22:02<devries>oh lspci, gimme a few
22:02<sceuss>for have you information
22:03<djc>wow.. thats the exact same chip my laptop has
22:03<djc>acer aspire
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22:03<jumping>Hi,I got a problem : when run the commadn# tar -jxvf fvwm.bz2 ,it errors:tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or Directory,Error is not recoverable, child returned status 2;;;;file is definitely present!!So why this happen??Thanks..
22:03<sceuss>what laptop have you?
22:03<devries>same info, plus Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2; Kernel driver in use: i801_smbus
22:03<djc>jumping, apt-get install bzip2
22:03<devries>this is an hp pavilion dv2000
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22:04<djc>sceuss, i have an acer aspire.. my sound just worked without my thinking about it
22:04<sceuss>lsmod and install the module of you hadware of sound
22:04<djc>snd_hda_intel
22:04<sceuss>lsmod <module>
22:04<djc>is the module for mine
22:04<djc>to better modprobe
22:05<sceuss>a ok
22:05<jumping>djc,thanks ,it works! :)
22:05<djc>but first lsmod | grep snd
22:05<djc>see what is installed
22:05<sceuss>modprobe snd_hda_intel
22:05<djc>juanfer, btw
22:05<djc>jumping, btw
22:05<djc>if you want to install fvwm
22:05<djc>you might want to try
22:05<djc>apt-get install fvwm
22:05<djc>or
22:06<djc>apt-get install fvwm2
22:06<djc>instead
22:06<djc>instead of installing from source
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22:06<djc>the first
22:06<djc>apt-get install fvwm
22:06<djc>there is no 2
22:06<sceuss>ok bye good luck
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22:06<djc>jumping, you might also consider,
22:06<abrotman>less enter key!
22:07<djc>if you are installing any software,looking for it from apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic first
22:07<djc>abrotman, sorry. im used to doing irc support for a webhost, and users tended to discnnect before you could finish typing
22:08<djc>so I had a habit of wanting to at least get the first part out there so they knew I wasnt done telling them things ;)
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22:12<jon_>djc: hi
22:12<itachi>hi
22:12<itachi>i need help, can you help me please
22:13<jon_>itachi: me?
22:13<itachi>yes
22:13<jon_>itachi: what's wrong?
22:14<itachi>well i can't up my interface wifi in debian
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22:14<jon_>itachi: you sure?
22:15<itachi>yes, i install madwifi-source madwifi-tools and build-essential
22:15<jon_>itachi: Which country are you
22:15<itachi>mexico
22:16<itachi>i have compiled all these files and nothing
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22:16<itachi>this is the message of error
22:16<itachi>wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
22:17<jon_>itachi: did You heard ARCH?
22:17<jon_>arch linux.
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22:17<itachi>no
22:17<jon_>If you try to use it, you will love it
22:18<itachi>well i want to learn use debian, but i think is very dificult
22:18<bighornram>While doing upgrade I'm asked a question that I'm unsure how to answer. Can someone explain what this is asking? One or more of the files /etc/pam.d/common-{auth,account,password,session} have been modified. Please indicate whether these local changes should be overwridden using the system-provided configuration. If you decline this option, you will need to manage your system's authentication configuration by hand. Override local changes to /etc/pa
22:18<bighornram>m.d/common-*? yes or no.
22:20<itachi>any idea to resolve my problem
22:20<gsimmons>jon_: Arch Linux is off-topic here.
22:20<itachi>gsimmons great nick
22:20<gsimmons>itachi: What specific wireless LAN device do you have? (brand/model, revision/version if known)
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22:21<itachi>atheros R242
22:21<itachi>my laptop is acer aspire
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22:22<itachi>i'm desperated
22:23<jon_>Why DEBIAN can have so many users?
22:23<Zylvain1>bighornram: backup /etc/pam-d/ and answer yes
22:23<bighornram>Zylvain1: thanks
22:23<Zylvain1>then you can report your previous modifications onto the new pam files
22:23<gsimmons>itachi: Provide the output of "lspci -nn | grep Ath" at a paste site.
22:23<Zylvain1>if you need them
22:23<gsimmons>!paste
22:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:24<itachi>i can't paste nothing in this moment because i'm in windows
22:25<gsimmons>itachi: What is the model of your Acer Aspire?
22:25<itachi>5315-2370
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22:27<itachi>debian is really dificult to use
22:27<itachi>??? :?
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22:29<itachi>my wifi device is AtherosR5007EG
22:31<itachi>well i found something
22:32<itachi>i'll come back
22:32<gsimmons>itachi: The AR242x (168C:001C) is supported by both the kernel-supplied ath5k driver and non-free Madwifi driver. If you've installed Madwifi using the Debian packages, your interface is ath0, not wlan0, due to the blacklisting of the ath5k driver.
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22:32<itachi>how i do this
22:33<gsimmons>Do what, exactly?
22:33<itachi>sorry i'll come back
22:33<itachi>thank you
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22:39<djc>I blame Microsoft
22:39<djc>For enocuraging people to thing of computers as appliances and toys rather than tools
22:39<djc>thinK
22:40<djc>people dont want to have to even try to understand
22:40*abrotman understands the enter key
22:40<djc>You
22:40<djc>Know
22:40<djc>I
22:40<djc>Could
22:40<djc>Do
22:40<djc>It
22:40<djc>More
22:40<djc>Often
22:40<djc>:P
22:40<abrotman>go ahead .. keep it up
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22:42<djc>/join daves-debian-channel (no more than two words per line, press enter more often please!)
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22:46<devries>The HP Pavilion dv2000 that I am working on doesn't have sound; I found a HowTo for Ubuntu but I am getting Make errors when trying to compile Alsa-drivers, can anyone look at this for me? http://pastebin.com/m7a0d82b1
22:46<devries>I am on Sid, mostly
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22:48<djc>you dont want to go installing alsa drivers from source
22:49<devries>drivers show up with lspci |grep snd but 'mplayer path/to/afile.mp3' is silent, with some errors
22:49<djc>pastebin an lsmod | grep snd
22:49<djc>lspci doesnt show drivers
22:49<devries>k one moment
22:49<abrotman>devries: what are the errors?
22:49<djc>it only shows what hardware is on your pci bus
22:49<devries>true :) sorry lsmod shows the drivers; I'll put that in the pastebin also
22:50<djc>and given your machine has the same exact sound hardware as my laptop on which sound just worked without my having to do anything after installing lenny has my head scratching
22:50<djc>dumb question - did you check the mixer/volume controls?
22:50<abrotman>do other sounds work?
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22:52<devries>no sounds work. kmix won't start but alsamixer is turned up. here is lspci, lsmod, and mplayer output http://pastebin.com/m34a1e567
22:53<djc>permission errors
22:53<djc>try that mplayer command as root
22:53<devries>but that shouln't be needed normally, would it be?
22:53<djc>i wouldnt think.. but do that to test for now
22:54<devries>:) that does give some sound
22:54<djc>if it works as root, then we knows your drivers are working, and just need to sort out permissions
22:54<abrotman>are you in the audio group
22:54<djc>'some' sound?
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22:54<devries>yeah then its a permission thing, wth
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22:54<devries>some = what i want
22:54<devries>yes, sound works as root. llemme see the groups
22:54<itachi>hi gsimmons are you here
22:55<devries>in audio group, still not working as a normal user
22:55<djc>does the output of
22:55<djc>'groups' show 'audio' among them?
22:55<itachi>well i have one good new and one bad new
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22:56<djc>if you are sure you've got the audio group, look at ls -l /dev/ | grep audio
22:56<devries>no it doesn't but I suppose I'd have to log out and in again huh
22:56<djc>yeah
22:56<itachi>gsimmons
22:56<djc>if you added is since you last logged in
22:56<djc>itachi
22:57<itachi>i need help
22:57<djc>from what he said earlier, your card should work with the driver in the kernel.. skip all the madwifi stuff
22:57<gsimmons>itachi: This we've established. What is your good/bad news?
22:57<devries>ok i am in there per /etc/group so lemme try to log out and in again... actually going to do a full reboot so I'll be back in a few mionutes. thank you both for helping me to sort this out
22:57<djc>gsimmons, ok, i'll let you help im
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22:58<djc>"Your daughter come to my house today and she kicked my dog"
22:59<itachi>the good news, is: i can pickup my wifi device y put iwconfig ath0 and this is the result:
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23:00<djc>!paste
23:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:00<itachi>iwconfig
23:00<itachi>sorry
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23:01<itachi>iwconfig ath0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"" Nickname:"" Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated Bit Rate:1 Mb/s Tx-Power:16 dBm Sensitivity=1/1
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23:02<n3cro>question: how do i point apt to new proxy?
23:02<djc>how did you point it to the current proxy?
23:03<itachi>after, i put iwlist ath0 and ath0 detect all signals around me
23:03<n3cro>well im not the one who created the server, but then the former proxy died and needs to be replaced and when i did that,everytime i try to run apt-get update it always shows ip of former proxy and says no route to host error
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23:04<djc>why would you put a unix server behind a proxy anyway
23:05<djc>shows it where?
23:05<djc>pastebin
23:05<n3cro>hmm layman's term pls? not that good in terms
23:05<devries>better... now it works :) thanks a lot guys, the group was the only thing I didn't think of. maybe.
23:06<djc>take the output that you get from apt-get and pastebin it so we can see it
23:06<djc>!paste
23:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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23:08<itachi>how i can connect to some network without wifiradar
23:08<n3cro>Err http://ftp.debian.org etch Release.gpg
23:08<n3cro> Could not connect to 203.87.237.11:3128 (203.87.237.11). - connect (113 No route to host)
23:09<n3cro>there djc
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23:09<gsimmons>itachi: You can use Network Manager or configure /etc/network/interfaces as appropriate. See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
23:09<djc>n3cro, try: set | grep -i proxy
23:10<djc>see if any env vars are set
23:10<djc>im not finding any specific proxy info about apt
23:10<itachi>thanks gene, an other question for you
23:12<itachi>your nick gsimmons is for the band KISSS
23:12<itachi>sorry KISS
23:13<n3cro>/etc/apt# set |grep -i proxy
23:13<n3cro>ftp_proxy=http://203.87.237.11:3128/
23:13<n3cro>http_proxy=http://203.87.237.11:3128/
23:13<n3cro>that showed... hmm wehere can i edit that?
23:13<n3cro>djc?
23:14<djc>well, you can set them right away, for the current session
23:14<djc>by export ftp_proxy=whatever you need to change it to
23:14<djc>ditto http
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23:14<djc>as far as how to get them set on boot
23:14<djc>I would go into /etc
23:14<djc>and grep -r proxy *
23:14<djc>see if you can find where they are set.. then edit that file
23:15<itachi>please answer me gsimmons?
23:16<djc>itachi, I dont see where you asked a question
23:17<itachi>your nick gsimmons is for the band KISS?
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23:17<n3cro>djc i saw the line http_proxy=http://203.87.237.11:3128/ in bash.bashrc.what should i do next?
23:18<djc>edit that file?
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23:18<djc>then logout and back in?
23:18<itachi>don't worry, i need go to debian and probe some commands i hope resolve my problem, thank you so much
23:18<n3cro>djc ok if i just comment them in or delete the lines?
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23:19<djc>either is good..
23:19<djc>comment with #
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23:25<n3cro>thanks djc, instead of commenting the lines i just edited them and redirected to our new proxy's ip. thanks a lot
23:25<n3cro>this site and all people are cool
23:25<n3cro>channel i mena
23:25<n3cro>mean
23:26<djc>np
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23:37<meoblast>i broke apt
23:37<meoblast>E: The package smc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
23:37<meoblast>how do i fix that?
23:40<tcsetattr>there's an smc in unstable
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23:43<brian|lfs>does anyone know how to get quicktiem to play in Linux
23:43<brian|lfs>?
23:44<brian|lfs>I installed a bunch of libs and stuff but it don't seem to help much
23:44<chealer>meoblast: did you try removing smc?
23:45<meoblast>chealer: yup
23:45<meoblast>chealer: that's the error i get
23:45<meoblast>chealer: i'm just trying to get the tools i need to remove Ubuntu and install Debian
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23:48<djc>chealer, that would be an iso image and a cd burner
23:48<chealer>brian|lfs: define "quicktime"...
23:49<djc>!quicktime
23:49<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, quicktime is apple's multimedia file format, at http://www.quicktime.apple.com/ or Quicktime for Linux (Low level Quicktime library for *NIX), section Development/Libraries, is LGPL. Stable: 1.1.2, Development: none. http://apps.freshmeat.net/homepage/919133076/
23:49<meoblast>djc: rive icio USB
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23:50<djc>meoblast, ?
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23:50<djc>brian|lfs, look in aptitude or synaptic for quicktime
23:50<djc>i see several libraries and apps
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23:51<djc>some idiot on CL is selling clothesline "polls"
23:51<djc>and they even quoted it, like they realized it was wrong
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23:52<djc>I email them the websters definition of both 'poll' and 'pole'.
23:52<numero_5>hola
23:52<djc>Im sure if they respond it will be with sarcasm or obscenities
23:52<djc>!sp
23:52<dpkg>[sp] troubled: you stats pimp!
23:52<djc>!es
23:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:52<djc>:P
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23:54<brian|lfs>I installed all those libs and apps lol
23:54<brian|lfs>still don't seem to work
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23:54<brian|lfs>I use second life which uses quicktiem to stream video and I still yet find what I"m missing that ubuntu had to make the quicktime stream
23:55<meoblast001>djc: sorry my system is very unstable
23:55<meoblast001>djc: it locked up while i was typing
23:55<meoblast001>djc: and that's what we got
23:55<meoblast001>djc: i tried saying my CD drive is broken and all i can use is USB
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23:55<brian|lfs>buy a new cd drive lol
23:55<meoblast001>ha
23:55<meoblast001>i wouldn't invest that much money into this pile of crap
23:55<brian|lfs>you can get a whole dvd burner for 30 bucks these days
23:56<meoblast001>this Laptop sucks
23:56<meoblast001>i'd rather save up to buy a new one
23:56<brian|lfs>oh lol
23:56<brian|lfs>laptop different story nevermind
23:56<meoblast001>i'm just waiting till my RMA'd ram comes back
23:56<brian|lfs>djc chealer sorry for not replying earleir
23:56<brian|lfs>doing multiple thing at once
23:57<brian|lfs>half forgot a posted a question on irc
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23:57<brian|lfs>is there a special gstremaer package I need to watch streaming quicktime
23:57<brian|lfs>I installed all the libs I saw when I did a search for quicktime
23:58<chealer>brian|lfs: if you're talking about a particular stream or file, it depends on that particular resource
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