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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-16

---Logopened Mon Mar 16 00:00:46 2009
---Daychanged Mon Mar 16 2009
00:00<djc>brian|lfs, you are trying to *make* a quicktime?
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00:01<djc>if you get an external usb dvd drive you can use it for lots of things
00:02<brian|lfs>no watch a quicktime
00:02<brian|lfs>that is streamed through second life I jsut found some more packages I missed earlier and am installing them right now
00:03<brian|lfs>synaptic gave me different search results then apt
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00:04<djc>do you have a uri for this stream?
00:05<tcsetattr>trouble is, "quicktime" is a brand name with shifting meanings, not really a technical description of a file format.
00:06<djc>if you have a url or some way you can give me access to it, i can look and see if I can tell what specifically it is
00:06<snogglethorpe>e.g., what's with these "quicktime" panorama files that get displayed by FF as mp4, but in fact aren't movies at all...
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00:12<brian|lfs>the way it works djc is when someone pastes a url in secondlife for youtube it plays in second life but it plays as quicktime
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00:29<el_isma>Hello. Is there any app to use DBUS in the console? (Meaning: I've got no idea what methods are available, the dbus-send interface is horrendous and I want something prettier, maybe something on ncurses?)
00:33<djc>brian|lfs, it might be h264.. thats the format youtube provides for the iphone
00:34<brian|lfs>sorry is there a package for that
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00:34<brian|lfs>I can do a search
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01:12<Newinthedebian>Boa noite
01:12<Newinthedebian>Alguém tc em portugues-br?
01:13<Supaplex>!br
01:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
01:15<Newinthedebian>opa eu estou já estou lá, mas tem poucas pessoas conectadas lá e não obtive um contato ainda.
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01:15<Newinthedebian>se for possível alguem por aki apenas informar onde posso conseguir um bom pacote de fontes para instalar atraves do apt-get eu agradeço.
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01:27<Supaplex>Newinthedebian: I only know english. also, please don't message me
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03:46<PiPe>Hola
03:47<PiPe>xD
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04:04<bigeasy>some one here with access to a hppa box?
04:04<jm_>not one running linux
04:18<tarzeau>i used to, why?
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05:05<nas>hi guys, how to do if i want to keep logs 12 days ago?
05:06<nas>my current log only keeps logs since 5 days ago
05:06<nas>how to adjust the duration of logs?
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05:07<nas>that is to make it store logs since 12 days ago
05:07<jm_>edit logrotate.conf
05:07<jm_>and /etc/logrotate.d/*
05:09<petern>and /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd
05:09<lili>what command show the information of the computer, i mean harddisk,netcard,memory,and so on? thanks.
05:11<lili>device information!yes,that what i say
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05:11<padski>lili, debtags search hardware::detection
05:12<padski>lili, I see hwinfo mentioned sometimes
05:14<lili>padski,yes,i shall take care of it on my own
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05:19<Bastard>Hi
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05:20<Bastard>Hello??
05:20<padski>!ask
05:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
05:20<agent>i fuck america to death
05:20<Bastard>me to
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05:20*petern idly wonders why his /proc/kcore is only 897MB
05:20<Guest268>^^
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05:20<Bastard>xDd
05:20<santaclaus>hi
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05:20<Guest268>all right
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05:21<Bastard>Are you a englischmen ??
05:21<santaclaus>no a german
05:21<santaclaus>man
05:21<jm_>petern: any reason it should be more?
05:21<Guest268>no german
05:21<Bastard>Me too
05:21<santaclaus>i sti next to you
05:21<Guest268>ja
05:21<Bastard>dann könn wir deutsch sorechen xDDDDDD
05:21<santaclaus>joa
05:21<Guest268>jo
05:21<Guest268>wo biste
05:21<Guest268>welches bundesland
05:21<santaclaus>its an nice day toda isnt it
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05:21<craigevil>!de
05:21<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
05:22<santaclaus>do you now a man
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05:22<Bastard>schleswig-h
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05:22<santaclaus>called franz von assisi
05:22<Bastard>und du??
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05:22<Guest268>auch
05:22<Bastard>wo bist du??
05:22<santaclaus>bitte
05:22<petern>jm_: i always remember it being the same size as memory installed... i guess that is just up to a point
05:22<Guest268>pinneberg
05:22<Bastard>welche stadt??
05:22<santaclaus>ich brauch des für scoo
05:22<Bastard>ich auch XD
05:22<santaclaus>appen stinkt
05:22<Bastard>ach
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05:22<Guest268>jo
05:22<santaclaus>was fürne musik hörste
05:22<Bastard>mehr kühe als einwohner^
05:22<jm_>petern: how much memory do you have?
05:23<Guest268>jo
05:23<santaclaus>was fürne musik hörste
05:23<Guest268>wie heiste
05:23<santaclaus>metal hip hop oda was
05:23<Bastard>auf welche schule gehst du??
05:23<Guest268>ths
05:23<santaclaus>ich bin niklas w.
05:23<Bastard>ach
05:23<Bastard>ich sitzt neben dir du penner
05:23<santaclaus>auf welche scool biste
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05:24<padski>!ops please deal with the trolls
05:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: padski complains about: please deal with the trolls
05:24<Hallo>ich sitzt neben dir du penner
05:24<santaclaus>echt
05:24<Guest268>-.-
05:24<Hallo>dofus
05:24<santaclaus>hät ich net gdacht
05:24<Guest268>yeah
05:24<santaclaus>christian du spakken wer biste
05:24<Guest268>hurensohn halts maul
05:24<Hallo>christia n du penner
05:24<Guest268>ich schlag euch aufs maul
05:24<santaclaus>christian biste guest
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05:25<padski>thanks
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05:25<ml>heh
05:25<ml>who kicked them
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05:26<padski>ml, dunno, looks like oftc support
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05:26<ml>need to remenber that command
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05:27<sander_m>Hello. I have a TI UltraSparc IIIi server running Debian Lenny sparc64. I would like to build virtual servers with it. What is the best virtualisation technology to use for this? As I understand it, many virtualization tecniques rely on x84 extensions found in modern Intel and AMD chips for proper performance.
05:27<sander_m>Any suggestions?
05:27<jm_>petern: sounds like kernel with no highmem/appropriate kernel split support
05:27<ml>there where some guys doing the same thing but they didn't get kicked
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05:29<Gathond>sander_m: virtualbox? that has been bought out by SUN recently, so I think they may have the best sparc support at this time
05:29<padski>sander_m, what do they do in solaris ?
05:30<jrodger>for any emulator support, I'd suggest QEMU, I use both QEMU and VirtualBox, I find Virtualbox still only supports intel stuff, unless I am looking in the wrong settings
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05:31<sander_m>padski: I have no idea. This server was donated by Sun to my FOSS project. I just starting to look into the possibilities of virtualisation
05:32<jrodger>I only use Virtualbox to support my M$ users
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05:36<Gathond>jrodger: I think virtualbox only supports native code yes
05:36<Gathond>jrodger: so on sparc, it would allow sparc operating systems, etc
05:37<jrodger>QEMU has the ability to support different machine codes I think......
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05:37<Gathond>it does
05:37<Gathond>however iirc at a performance penalty
05:37<Gathond>since it has to translate everything
05:38<petern>jm_: 4GB of memory (and all of it works)
05:38<jm_>petern: hmm interesting, I shall check at home what my 4G box displays
05:38<petern>jm_: using a stock lenny vserver kernel
05:38<jm_>petern: ahh vserver, now that may play a role
05:38<petern>not in a vserver though :)
05:39<Gathond>actually scratch virtualbox, it is x86 only still
05:40<sander_m>Gathond: I see. Aptitude only shows me source code packages in sparc64, no binary packages
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05:41<Gathond>sander_m: and those are probably in -all or common not actually sparc64 right?
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05:43<sander_m>Gathond: It's in misc. The description says that you need the binary packages as well, and they aren't installable, so VirtualBox is out
05:43<sander_m>It looks like QEMU without any kernel module is possible. There's no Xen kernmel so that's out, but there are vserver kernels available for installation
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05:46<jrodger>http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/ <----qemu stuff is here now, moved from bellard.org
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05:46<frankie1>E' stata richiesta una sessione di messaggi musicali. Fare clic sull'icona MM per accettare.
05:46<frankie1>E' stata richiesta una sessione di messaggi musicali. Fare clic sull'icona MM per accettare.
05:47<sander_m>Question: /proc/cpuinfo only lists a single CPU entry on this Sun machine, but it does say: CPU0, CPU1, CPU2 and CPU3 online. Do I need an sparc64 SMP kernel on this machine? Aptitude lists normal as well as SMP kernels for this machine, but the vserver enabled kernels are only available as non-SMP
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05:49<padski>!sparc
05:49<dpkg>methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC
05:49<padski>in case it helps
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05:52<sander_m>padski: I'll do some more reading and hop over to #debian-sparc, thanks :-)
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06:03<lili>I get a compile error: check for zlib headers failed!!how can i fixed it , thanks !!
06:04<jm_>install zlib devel package
06:05<lili>do you mean zlib1g-dev, i am already have it
06:06<lili>and i have zlib.h in my /usr/include
06:07<jm_>then check configure logfile
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06:08<lili>jm_ ,where is it?
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06:09<jm_>lili: uhm it tells you when it fails/finishes, config.log or so
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06:10<neo_debian>on peut parler de debian et active directory ?
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06:11<OdyX>!fr
06:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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06:13<wo0f>whats the best method to setup a kiosk mode with gnome?
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06:32<Pranky>Can any one tell me when is ubuntu 9.04 is going to release
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06:32<Pranky>As I am get news of Jaunty Jackalope Alpha-5
06:33<craigevil>!ubuntu
06:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:34<Pranky>Ubuntu new release
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06:39<snogglethorpe>man, ubuntu release names always make me cringe slightly...
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06:40<snogglethorpe>they sound so... marketing-vetted...
06:40<petern>ubuntu is all about marketing
06:40<Tengu_>right.
06:41<petern>(and then sending their users to #debian, for some reason)
06:41<Tengu_>and about unfinished stuff -.-
06:41<Tengu_>and unstable programmes
06:41<Tengu_>bad and ugly releases -.-
06:42<snogglethorpe>and shiny buttons
06:42<Tengu_>yeah...
06:43<Tengu_>can't see ubuntu without having headaches and feeling bad
06:43<Tengu_><- uses gentoo, and like debian on servers
06:43<Tengu_>:)
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07:32<fungie>hello...one of my hard drives died and since i replaced it i cannot boot to my favorite os can someone help? this is fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/m66586f52
07:34<azeem_>fungie: what's the error/problem?
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07:46<fungie>azeem, the prob is that i cannot boot to sdb
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07:49<fungie>device not found
07:50<valdyn>fungie: sdb is sda now if old sda is gone
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07:51<fungie>no
07:51<fungie>i replaced with a new one
07:51<fungie>sdb used to be sdb
07:52<valdyn>fungie: ok, now to your semantics, "cannot boot to sdb" does not make sense in a boot manager context
07:52<fungie>i tried many configurations to be honnest
07:52<fungie>and i think i messed it up
07:52<valdyn>fungie: so where exactly is that "cannot boot to sdb" happening?
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07:53<fungie>when i set bios to boot sdb i get a grub error msg device not found
07:53<valdyn>fungie: your bios doesnt know sdb
07:53<fungie>slave then
07:54<valdyn>fungie: slave on sata system?
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07:54<fungie>sata?
07:54<valdyn>fungie: is it not sata?
07:54<fungie>didn say that
07:54<fungie>nope
07:54<valdyn>fungie: debian kernels still use old hdx for parallel ata i thought
07:55<valdyn>fungie: are you not on debian or are you using a custom kernel?
07:55<fungie>im on ubuntu
07:55<b1ll>gtfo
07:55<valdyn>fungie: does your bios autodetect the disk?
07:55<fungie>yep both
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07:56<valdyn>fungie: your grub is loading from sdb and trying to load stuff from a device that its not finding
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07:56<valdyn>fungie: do you get the grub boot menu? or at least a grub prompt or an empty menu?
07:57<fungie>i get the old menu.lst
07:57<valdyn>fungie: fine, so edit the entry you boot from
07:57<valdyn>fungie: that should be pretty straightforward
07:58<fungie>so i just edit menu.lst
07:58<valdyn>fungie: thats not what i mean, but if you have ways to edit menu.lst you can do that
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07:59<fungie>what did u mean?
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07:59<valdyn>fungie: i mean that you edit the entry in grub while grub is running
08:00<valdyn>fungie: its documented on screen "hit E to edit" or somesuch
08:00<fungie>ok and then? i have no clue
08:00<valdyn>fungie: then you fix the references to hd(0,0) or sda
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08:01<fungie>ill try that thnx
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08:04<petern>lol
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08:04<petern>another ubuntu user
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08:13<azeem>petern: he might be running Ubuntu as a rescue system currently
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08:19<petern>you're too kind :)
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08:30<gonzalo>hello, i have a question... how can i know if there is a specific version of a pkg? i checked packages.debian.org and also i check with apt-cache showpkg <pkgname>
08:30<gonzalo>i only get one version, php4.4.4 and i want to install a specific version (i.e. 4.3.1)
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08:34<azeem>gonzalo: you can't
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08:34<azeem>gonzalo: why do you need 4.3.1?
08:35<gonzalo>azeem, mmm becouse i have a problem with a custom app
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08:36<azeem>gonzalo: that custom app mandates a specific micro-release of PHP?
08:36<azeem>get your money back then, I'd say
08:36<gonzalo>azeem, haha no, but we have some serious problems with lamp
08:36<azeem>gonzalo: you can try to look at snapshot.debian.net
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08:40<gonzalo>azeem, we have a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU, cat /proc/cpuinfo must show 4 procesors, right?
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08:41<azeem>gonzalo: why do you think I know the answer?
08:41<azeem>please ask unrelated follow-up questions to the whole channel, otherwise, people who know the answer might skip it
08:41<gonzalo>azeem, uh ok, thanks
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08:42<jm_>gonzalo: if you have the right kernel, yes
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08:53<zamolxes>hello, i have some mac minis with debian, I'm trying to set them up to automatically boot when powered, and the only reference I find refers to macos "Open the Energy Saver preference pane and check the box for RESTART AUTOMATICALLY AFTER POWER FAILURE"
08:53<zamolxes>any way to set this now, having just debian? Have no ideea if I can access the bios settings somehow
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09:02<gonzalo>im using vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem. This one supports SMP, but cpuinfo only shows one proccesor. Any idea?
09:02<Cadmium01>Is anyone familiar with gateawy ports?
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09:03<azeem>Cadmium01: what are gateawy ports?
09:03<jm_>gonzalo: get at least 2.6.24
09:04<jm_>or better yet, if you're using lenny install 2.6.26 kernel
09:04<Cadmium01>azeem, I am reverese sshing into my Middle computer from a computer that's behind a NAT/firewall, then I can ssh into my middle comp and from there ssh into localhost on different port that would ssh into the Firewlled compter
09:05<Cadmium01>azeem, but it can be done in one ssh turn, without having to later ssh into locahost
09:05<Cadmium01>It creates a gateway
09:05<Tarcas>Cadmium01: NAT/PAT with port forwarding.
09:05<Cadmium01>Tarcas, no, dont have access to roter
09:05<gsimmons>zamolxes: See http://www.mythic-beasts.com/support/macminicolo_howto.html
09:06<Cadmium01>router*
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09:08<Cadmium01>What I am trying to do is when I ssh into user@domain.com -p 555 it would ssh me into user@localhost -p 555
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09:08<jm_>you can do that via ssh config file
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09:09<Cadmium01>jm_, right, it is called GatewayPorts apparent;y and I set it to "yes" bt not sure what else needs to be done
09:09<gonzalo>jm_, mmm ok, but why? becouse i have a compiled driver fot my intel network card ( 82566DM-2 Gigabit)
09:10<zamolxes>gsimmons: thanks
09:10<jm_>Cadmium01: no, gatewayports is for something different
09:10<jm_>-for
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09:10<Cadmium01>jm_, are you sure? this is the guide I was reading: http://www.marksanborn.net/howto/bypass-firewall-and-nat-with-reverse-ssh-tunnel/
09:10<jm_>gonzalo: to be honest, I would expect that it would work even with 2.6.18 kernel, but there may be something preventing it from working - also check kernel's dmesg output at boot
09:11<zamolxes>gsimmons: uhm, that's great, do you know where I can find an indepth resource for this kind of stuff? we have a few dozens mac minis doing media-stuff , all with debian :)
09:11<jm_>Cadmium01: yes, gatewayports setting is used to to change how it listens on forwarded ports
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09:11<Cadmium01>jm_, do you know what it's called so that I can look it up?
09:12<zamolxes>the price/quality ratio was best with mac minis, considering the hw is reliable, they have DVI and spdif output etc. We had lots of trouble installing debian on them though
09:12<gonzalo>jm_, mm ok, i check the kernel's .config and it have SMP... it's weird i will check it at boot, thanks
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09:12<jm_>Cadmium01: host and hostname can be used to achieve what you described earlier, but I have my doubts if you have properly described what you need to do
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09:16<Cadmium01>jm_, I have C1, C2, C3 computersm C3 is behind NAT and no access to port forwarding. My goal is to connect and ssh into C3 from C1, so I setup reverse ssh tunnel from C3 to C2. Now I am able to ssh in to C2 from C1 and the ssh into localhost on different port that sshes me into C3, but it's a 2 step process so I cant use rsync or other one step tools. I need C2 compter to automatically ssh me into C3 if I indicate that specific port that C3 is sshable
09:16<Cadmium01> from C2 localhost
09:16<gsimmons>zamolxes: You could try acquiring the relevant Apple system documentation regarding server mode. The Debian wiki has MacMini and MacMiniIntel pages for your interest.
09:16<zamolxes>gsimmons: great. thanks a lot
09:16<gonzalo>anyone knows something about this dmesg line "BIOS bug, no explicit IRQ entries, using default mptable. (tell your hw vendor)"
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09:25<jm_>Cadmium01: you should be able to achieve that using ProxyCommand AFAIK
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09:26<Golfgeo>Hi all
09:26<roberto>Hi to you
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09:27<roberto>Question: how much is debian etch different from xubuntu ?
09:27<valdyn>roberto: we dont know
09:27<valdyn>roberto: why etch? lenny is latest stable
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09:28<valdyn>gonzalo: why care?
09:28<Golfgeo>Gota small problem, the libsane library is to old and therefor doesn't include my printer. CSV source compile and install failed to produce a running sane, so I am wondering if there are any more up to date .deb's for sane somewhere online?
09:28<Golfgeo>*printer/scanner combo...
09:29<roberto>sorry, I just switched from ubuntu to xubuntu (hardware performance) and I was thinking on the latest stable debian distribution...
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09:29<Cadmium01>jm_, thank you I'll look it up
09:29<valdyn>roberto: debian has all the packages of ubuntu and all the packages of xubuntu, pretty much
09:29<roberto>in what is different, than ?
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09:30<valdyn>roberto: the default install is different, the number of available packages in debian is alot bigger
09:30<valdyn>!why debian
09:30<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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09:31<valdyn>roberto: oh, vastly superior support on irc
09:31<Golfgeo>Oh yea, I did use the .deb from unstable...
09:31<dgodfather>hi everyone, i need some help with routing, i read about iptables routing and about route add, tried to do it , but no success here
09:31<dgodfather>please help me. i have a remote computer that does get to one of my inner network computers
09:32<roberto>ok, I'll take a look at. Thanks guys! Bye.
09:32<dgodfather>i want it to be able to ping other inner network computer, i set the net.ipv4.ip_forward sysctl to 1
09:32<dgodfather>what route must i configure? i tried a few but nothing helps.
09:32<dgodfather>i am using lenny amd64
09:32<dgodfather>and the remote connection is achieved via vpn
09:33<valdyn>dgodfather: see if this works if you just drop the vpn temporarily
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09:33<dgodfather>valdyn, but if i drop it, how do i check if routing works?
09:33<valdyn>dgodfather: same old ping
09:33<dgodfather>it's the remote computer that does not succeed in pinging?
09:34<dgodfather>he can't ping an inner computer in my network without vpn
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09:34<valdyn>dgodfather: guess i understood your setup wrong then
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09:35<dgodfather>i have a lan in which i run a vpn server. it accepts client connections to a network of 10.8.0.0 type and my LAN is 192.168.1.0
09:36<dgodfather>after the computer is connected to the vpn server it can ping it's lan address, say 192.168.1.3 but can't ping other computers on the lan
09:37<dgodfather>valdyn, any idea now?
09:40<valdyn>dgodfather: whats the output for route on the vpn client?
09:40<dgodfather>the vpn client is windows
09:40<buffoon_work>dgodfather, start -> execute -> cmd and then type "route print"
09:40<valdyn>dgodfather: then tell me the routing table on windows
09:40<dgodfather>K
09:41<dgodfather>buffoon_work, thanks
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09:46<dgodfather>valdyn, sorry it took time, i asked the user to send it to me, i am aditing it and sending
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09:48<valdyn>dgodfather: send me the routing table of a box in your lan that is not accessible too
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09:50<dgodfather>ok sec
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09:53<dgodfather>valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m636f8e26 -> client
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09:54<valdyn>dgodfather: his 192.168.0.102 is at his lan?
09:54<dgodfather>i think so
09:55<valdyn>dondelelcaro: i guess windows displays the routing table reversed
09:55<valdyn>ops
09:55<valdyn>dgodfather: i guess windows displays the routing table reversed
09:55<valdyn>dgodfather: his routing table matches 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.102 192.168.0.102 25 before it matches your vpn stuff
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09:56<valdyn>dgodfather: which means his packets are routed thru a host that has no knowledge about your vpn
09:56<dgodfather>what?
09:56<dgodfather>sec
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09:57<valdyn>dgodfather: he is routing everything thru his gateway 192.168.0.1 except 10.*
09:58<valdyn>dgodfather: you need to debug his side or his vpn client
09:58<dgodfather>why did you guess that it is displayed reversed?
09:58<valdyn>dgodfather: because the default route is on top
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09:58<valdyn>dgodfather: in linux the default route is last
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09:59<dgodfather>valdyn, so how come he gets in to the network and ping the server it self?
09:59<valdyn>dgodfather: and if the default route would be matched first, then nothing at all would work in the vpn
10:00<valdyn>dgodfather: look at the table, lower lines are matched first
10:00<valdyn>dgodfather: something from 10.* is first matched at line 8
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10:01<valdyn>dgodfather: but the whole of 192.168.* is already matched at line 11, which makes it be routed through 192.168.0.102
10:02<valdyn>dgodfather: while it would need to be routed thru your 10.whatever vpn server
10:03<dgodfather>wait let me explain my self. the remote computer is routed to 10.8.0.5 when targeting a 10.0.0.0 destination
10:04<dgodfather>the network it dries to reach is 10.0.0.0 and doesn't succeed
10:04<dgodfather>this is the lan address
10:04<dgodfather>it can ping the lan address of the vpn server meaning it can ping the 10.8.0.0 and the 10.0.0.0 network of the server
10:05<valdyn>dondelelcaro: your whole lan is 10.x?
10:05<dgodfather>it can't however ping any other 10.0.0.0 computer on the inner network. i wont to be able to
10:05<valdyn>dgodfather: uh
10:05<dgodfather>valdyn, yes
10:05<valdyn>dgodfather: whats the gateway ip then exactly?
10:05<dgodfather>for whom?
10:06<valdyn>dgodfather: for the vpn client
10:06<dgodfather>192.168.2.1
10:07<valdyn>dgodfather: that gateway is not even in the routing table at all, so it cant be
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10:08<dgodfather>valdyn, it is, it's the default gateway in the paste
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10:08<valdyn>192.168.0.1
10:08<valdyn>thats not a 2.1
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10:08<dgodfather>oh yes
10:08<dgodfather>sorry
10:09<dgodfather>i am pretty sure it's a configuration needed on the server, some forwarding to the inner network
10:09<valdyn>dgodfather:wheres the local lan client routing table?
10:10<dgodfather>what do you mean?
10:10<valdyn>dgodfather: output of route of the local to you lan client that is unreachable
10:10<dgodfather>oh well sec
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10:14<dgodfather>valdyn, -> http://pastebin.com/m21d0d8d7
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10:14<valdyn>dgodfather: 10.0.0.138 is the vpn serveR?
10:15<dgodfather>it's the lan gateway
10:15<dgodfather>this is also a linux debian
10:15<valdyn>dgodfather: hows that one reaching the vpn server?
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10:15<valdyn>dgodfather: hows the lan gateway forwarding those packets to the vpn server?
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10:16<dgodfather>it's not a vpn client it's a computer inside the network
10:16<valdyn>dgodfather: yes, sure
10:16<dgodfather>i just want to be able to connect to it
10:16<valdyn>dgodfather: yes sure
10:16<dgodfather>from outside
10:17<valdyn>dgodfather: answer my question
10:17<dgodfather>what?
10:17<valdyn>dgodfather: i "dunno" is the answer then that is probably your issue
10:17<dgodfather>i don't understannd
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10:17<dgodfather>i only need one vpn server as a gateway into the network
10:17<valdyn>dgodfather: when a local lan computer recieves a packet from 192.168.0.1, where will it send it?
10:18<valdyn>dgodfather: it will send it first to 10.0.0.138
10:18<valdyn>dgodfather: where will that one send it?
10:18<valdyn>dgodfather: is 10.0.0.138 aware of the vpn?
10:18<dgodfather>so i need to add a route the inner client computer?
10:18<valdyn>dgodfather: or just to 10.0.0.138
10:19<dgodfather>so it will send it to the vpn server
10:19<dgodfather>?
10:19<valdyn>dgodfather: yes
10:19<dgodfather>got you thanks i am trying
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10:20<valdyn>dgodfather: 2nd way is to use internal masquerading
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10:21<dgodfather>valdyn, what do you mean by that?
10:22<dgodfather>i don't know that
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10:23<noamscai>msg hi, everyone. got a problem, can anyone help me? made hdd raw hdd image, that was the only acceptable way, and now trying to mount partitions from it via -o loop,offset= . the problem is to get these offset values. fdisk,parted, sfdisk return approximations( the original hdd is up and running ). Can anyone suggest?
10:24<valdyn>dgodfather: thats what internet connection sharing does
10:24<dgodfather>i will read about that, thank you valdyn
10:24<valdyn>dgodfather: makes 10.x being "the internet"
10:24<xente>is there a debconf entry that tells debian what version of debian it is (stable,testing, etc)?
10:25<valdyn>dgodfather: but also imposes the same restrictions
10:25<valdyn>xente: no
10:25<xente>valdyn: thanks
10:25<dgodfather>probably a bit more complex to define
10:26<llutz>noamscai: see http://darkdust.net/writings/diskimagesminihowto
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10:26<valdyn>dgodfather: probably, but im sure youre already doing it if your lan computer have internet access
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10:26<xente>valdyn: is there another location that would specify? I think I know the most obvious ones
10:27<dgodfather>you are sure i am already doing it? you mean without knowing i guess :)
10:27<valdyn>xente: cat /etc/debian_version
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10:27<valdyn>dgodfather: yea, "if they have internet access"
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10:27<dgodfather>well no client have any access yet :)
10:27<xente>valdyn: oh right. Is that the only place?
10:28<llutz>noamscai: no pm please
10:28<valdyn>xente: yea well, yes, but that place does not "make" your debian a version
10:28<valdyn>xente: it lies for all people mixing repos
10:28<xente>valdyn: I see
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10:33<adam_>what does this mean? -- /home/czar/tmp 192.168.1.1/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)
10:33<adam_>in /etc/exports
10:33<dgodfather>valdyn, so can you tell me please to which network or host do i add a route on the client accessed?
10:33<dgodfather>i tried the vpnserver but it doesn't work, i did: route add -host vpnserverIP gw 255.255.255.0 dev eth0
10:33<dgodfather>doesn't work
10:33<valdyn>noamscai: its not aproximations if you use fdisk in expert mode
10:33<valdyn>noamscai: its 512 byte sized blocks however
10:34<adam_>especially i don't get the 1/24 part.
10:34<noamscai>ok. but is there some way to determine exact partition boundaries of a working hard. some utility...
10:34<noamscai>ie in bytes
10:34<valdyn>dgodfather: which ip on the vpn server ( the one from the 10.x network )
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10:36<valdyn>noamscai: bytes is useless
10:36<user1>ciao a tutti!
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10:36<valdyn>noamscai: its always 512 byte sized blocks, because thats how a harddisk is
10:37<valdyn>noamscai: so partitions also match that, and are written in the partition table in sizes of 512 byte sized blocks
10:37<klando>I have a debian dom0 and 3 domU none have ntp and only one domU is not sync, any idea why it is not sync with the dom0 ?
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10:38<valdyn>dgodfather: so?
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10:42<dgodfather>valdyn, i think it's ok i am trying to find out
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10:46<noamscai>ok. so, in theory, if i fdisk say's that firs partition begins @ 1,and reports block size to be 512, i can mount this first partiton from raw image via -o loop,offset=512? in theory..
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10:47<valdyn>noamscai: i dont know exactly, i believe partitions start after the first block
10:47<valdyn>noamscai: and partition tables and boot record are on the first block
10:48<noamscai>hmm..
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10:49<valdyn>noamscai: blocksize *always* is 512 blocks
10:50<valdyn>noamscai: so nothing needs to report this
10:50<valdyn>noamscai: blocksize *always* is 512 *bytes*, oops
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11:02<InkBottle> I am under a x-session (corresponding to C-Alt-f7); then I press C-Alt-f1. The monitor says no-signal, I don't have a console, and when I press C-A-f7 again, I've been de-logged. I'm wondering if it can be related to the driver 'nouveau'?
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11:11<xente>would someone know why my box (which is squeeze) puts lenny in the source files if I add download archives in System->Administration->Software Sources under "Downloadable from the Internet" label? (I know how to manually edit my sources.list but I am asking in the case I do'nt want to)
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11:12<debacle>hi all, i've a raid5 and it seems broken reading /proc/mdstat
11:12<debacle>this is the output md1 : active raid5 sdf1[1] sdh1[3] sdg1[2]
11:12<debacle> 2930183232 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [_UUU]
11:13<debacle>in my knowledge [4/3] [_UUU] mean that the fist disk is broken. is this true ?
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11:16<xente>does anyone know what I am talking about?
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11:22<noamscai>got an answer: cylinders. many thanx!!!!
11:22<kurumin>anybody here?
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11:29<adam_>I have 2 machines connect to a router, one of them a debian box, the other xp, now I want to access file on the xp machine (ntfs partition) from the debian box, what can I do?
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11:30<xente>does anyone have any idea about my q?
11:31<buffoon_work>adam_, i guess samba is an option
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11:34<adam_>buffoon_work: I thought samba is used to provide file service to windows, not the other way around.
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11:35<k17>yo
11:35<xente>hello?
11:35<k17>any 1 tere
11:35<k17>well
11:35<djc>!tell adam about samba
11:35<adam_>buffoon_work: but i'll check it out
11:35<k17>to
11:35<buffoon_work>adam_, well, that's true, but there's smbclient, cifs and so on
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11:35<k17>yo
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11:36<k17>dam u
11:36<djc>or just use scp/ftp
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11:36<buffoon_work>adam_, if you're using kde or gnome you can use your file manager (konqueror or nautilus) to browse through the shares of the windows pc
11:36<djc>depends on if you regularly want to store files between machines, or just occasionally need to copy one or two
11:37<adam_>djc: the thing is that the xp box has no dvd writer.
11:37<adam_>and I want the debian box to share the dvd writer with it.
11:38<djc>well.. you'd copy the files over, then burn the files using linux burning software
11:38<djc>theres no concept of burning over network
11:38<adam_>no, i mean i want to use the writer to burn the files on the xp machine with copying anything.
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11:39<dr|z3d>adam_: You can't.
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11:39<adam_>dr|z3d: you mean I have to copy all the files I want to burn?
11:39<buffoon_work>adam_, then you should make a share on windows, mount it with cifs and then burn it on the debian pc
11:39<djc>dr|z3d, k3b might be able to add files from a cifs share to a data session
11:39<dr|z3d>adam_: You need the files for burning directly available in the OS with the burner.
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11:40<dr|z3d>Hmm, burning over shares.. recipe for corruption. Not really advised.
11:40<djc>the main point is, you need to use cd linux cdwriting software. there is no way windows writing software is going to be able to write to the dvd burner in the linux box
11:40<djc>dr|z3d, well, if t made an iso (locally) first it'd be alright
11:40<xente> would someone know why my box (which is squeeze) puts lenny in the source files if I add download archives in System->Administration->Software Sources under "Downloadable from the Internet" label? (I know how to manually edit my sources.list but I am asking in the case I don't want to)
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11:41<djc>adam_, and you are safer if you copy the files you want to burn, from the windows machine to the linux machine beforehand, regardless of what protocol you use to do that
11:41<adam_>djc: sure, I use k3b.
11:41<dr|z3d>djc: Hmm, might be marginally better. But still, usb stick with the files on would be best. Or similar.
11:42<djc>dr|z3d, .iso generation isnt timing critical. as long as when it went to start the burn session it wasnt still reading over smb
11:42<djc>heh.. usb stick might be faster, too
11:42<adam_>so, I just share the pertinent dir, and copy the files with konqueror?
11:42<djc>adam_, that would work
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11:43<adam_>djc: my usb hub is 1.1, very very slow.
11:43<djc>but dr|z3d has a point, network copy is gonna be slower than just sticking a 4G usb..
11:43<djc>so plug the stick directly in rather than to the hub?
11:43<djc>or are the ports only 1.1 ?
11:43<djc>if yer stuck with 1.1 the network might be slightly faster ;)
11:44<buffoon_work>djc, depends on the stick you're using... i know many which are slower than the network
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11:45<djc>adam_, if you're stuck with usb 1.1, then copying the files (either using win file sharing, scp, ftp, or whatever) to the debian box then burning is the way to g
11:47<adam_>djc: sorry, I mean the ports are 1.1.
11:48<djc>ugh
11:48<djc>ive got an old imac like that.. updating my iphone takes forever ;)
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11:48<adam_>i have shared the dir. requires reboot.
11:48<djc>if you've got pcmcia or pci, you should consider adding a usb 2.0 board
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11:49<djc>adam_, windows.. you moved the mouse.. requires reboot
11:49<adam_>djc: :&
11:50<adam_>djc: I'll see if that's possible. usb 2.0 is much faster.
11:51<adam_>it's a thinkpad a30 laptop.
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11:51<dr|z3d>pcmcia card will do it.
11:51<djc>thats the windows box or the debian?
11:51<dr|z3d>If you have any use for firewire, you can get a usb2/firewire combo.
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11:52<adam_>win xp
11:52<djc>or even if you don't. they dont cost much more than usb-ony.. in fact usb-only may be harder to find
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11:53<adam_>konperor stalled.
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11:54<adam_>maybe I need to reboot the deb machine? konqueror won't even show my home dir.
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11:55<djc>use nautilus instead
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11:55<djc>or... youy using debians default menus and wm?
11:55<dr|z3d>Or thunar :)
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11:55<djc>!thunar
11:55<dpkg>thunar is probably the awesomest file manager ever
11:55<djc>never heard of it
11:55<dr|z3d>Or hell, even pcman-fm.
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11:55<dr|z3d>It's XFCE's default file manager. Very tidy.
11:56<djc>if you have debians standard menu, just go into the footprint meny whatsit, under 'places', and pick 'network'
11:56<djc>heh.. ok.. thats nautilus
11:56<adam_>djc: i use kde.
11:57<djc>you could always just install putty on the win machine and use scp/sftp to copy them from there to the debian machine
11:57<djc>maybe zip up first to save overhead
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11:58<djc>or some other windows-ssh-scp implementation
11:58<adam_>djc: ok, I'll do it.
11:58<djc>or you could install an ftpd on your debian box if you dont already have one
11:58<djc>and use an ftp client on the windows machine
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11:59<djc>or you could hook up a null modem between rs232 ports and use hyperterm (win) and minicom (deb) with zmodem
11:59<djc>but you'd probably be faster using a usb 1.1 key ;)
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12:00<adam_>djc: i've got tired of 1.1, this time i have made up my mind to do it differently.
12:00<djc>zmodem was da bomb in its day
12:01<djc>anyone here not so green as to remember zmodem?
12:01<adam_>I guess I have to reboot the deb baby now, it's not acting quite right. bye.
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12:02<djc>well im off. to do.. something
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12:07<adam_>djc: so I should install a ftp server on the xp machine and a ftp client on the deb machine, right?
12:07<adam_>and what software do you recommend?
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12:08<m_g>hey guys, got a problem.. dist-upgrade wants to upgrade various packaged (to etch) including libc. the libc upgrade asks me to first install a 2.6 kernel and when i do this it asks me to first install a new libc package. sounds like a deadlock to me, anybody an idea what to do about it?
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12:09<petern>to etch? ouch :o
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12:09<stew>m_g: you are upgrading from sarge to etch?
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12:10<m_g>hm im probably confusing the code names.. im upgrading from etch to lenny i think
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12:10<m_g>i had etchin sources.list before and now "stable"
12:10<petern>etch uses 2.6 anyway
12:10<m_g>i still have a 2.4.27 kernel
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12:11<valdyn>m_g: revert your sources.list to etch
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12:11<valdyn>m_g: revert your sources.list to sarge
12:11<stew>m_g: what version of libc6 do you have installed now?
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12:12<m_g>valdyn, let me try
12:12<valdyn>m_g: then install the 2.6 kernel from sarge, then upgrade ( but only if you didnt already upgrade libc6 and you still have a chance to make use of the upgrade release notes etc )
12:12<m_g>ste2.3.6
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12:12<valdyn>dpkg: sarge->etch
12:12<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <etch release notes>. The recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the procedure in the release notes. Also ask me about <etch security>. It's time to put those upgrade plans into action, as Sarge security support ended on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229).
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12:13<valdyn>!versions libc6
12:13<valdyn>judd: versions libc6
12:13<judd>valdyn: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.9-4 squeeze: 2.9-4
12:13<xente>valdyn: would you have an idea for my last question?
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12:13<valdyn>m_g: looks like you're already fucked
12:13<djc>adam_, no, ftpd on debian, ftp client on win
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12:14<m_g>or i probbaly have etch already?
12:14<petern>try installing 2.6 with your sources at etch
12:14<petern>sounds like you upgraded from sarge to etch previously without upgrading the kernel
12:14<m_g>yes that could be the case
12:14<petern>somehow
12:14<valdyn>xente: that tool just tries to support the latest stable i guess
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12:15<xente>valdyn: thanks again
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12:16<valdyn>xente: if i remember correctly you can also manually add whatever you want..
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12:16<valdyn>xente: in that same tool
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12:18<xente>valdyn: true. I was just wondering about the other case
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12:36<vladislaw>hi
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12:39<vladislaw>i need some help. Im from spain, I tried to find debian-es here in this IRC server, but I cant find it. Anyone can say me what is the spanish channel?
12:39<valdyn>!es
12:39<azeem>!es
12:39<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:39<vladislaw>thanks
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12:41<Gattou>coucou
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12:41<Gattou>coucou les jen =)))
12:41<azeem>!fr
12:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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12:43<Quasi-modo>Hello everyone! Can anybody answer a few questions about debian packaging system?
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12:43<dr|z3d>Quasi-modo: Just ask your question..
12:44<dr|z3d>!tell Quasi-modo about ask
12:44<Quasi-modo>Ok. I'm trying to rebuild the postgresql package in lenny with a custom patch.
12:44<Quasi-modo>The patch adds some files to contrib package
12:45<Quasi-modo>the patch seems to apply well, but after that, no new files are added to contrib package!
12:45<Quasi-modo>where should i look?
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12:53<Quasi-modo>why i should use dpatch util when making debian packages?
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12:55<stew>Quasi-modo: using a patch system is recommended if you have to modify the upstream source. it doesn't have to be dpatch. quilt is also popular
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12:56<stew>looks like quilt is now more poplar than dpatch, thankfully
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12:58<gravity>\o/
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12:58<deed02392>does anyone know a global linux command to know what distribution of linux you're running - trying to help a friend find out what he's got
12:58<gravity>I don't know how that happened, but I hope it's at least a little bit my fault :-)
12:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 408] by debhelper
12:59<stew>gravity: i believe i can blame at least my initial switching to quilt on you :)
12:59<cahoot>deed02392: could try lsb_release -a
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12:59<gravity>stew: Yeah, I remember that :-)
12:59<deed02392>command not found on debian 4 etch cahoot
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12:59<gravity>I also talked it up at debconf quite a bit. Somehow during my crappy but well attended git bof people became more interested in quilt than git
13:00<stew>well its not like people are failing to get interested in git :)
13:01<gravity>stew: Yeah, that's true as well, although I don't claim any credit for that one
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13:03<henke>hi Im really new to debian with desktop..... trying to install theme in latest release... but all themes are rejected... Im doing something wrong, but what
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13:07<zem>ahoy, i'm a bit bored with lenny, how do i upgrade to squeeze? setting testing in sources and "apt-get dist-upgrade" is enough?
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13:07<azeem>zem: squeeze ist pretty unstable ATM
13:08<azeem>I wouldn't recommend upgrading right now
13:08<zem>oh...
13:09<zem>well, you can still answer my question, for future adventures :)
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13:11<zem>and one more, how likely is it that pidgin will be updated in lenny, since icq doesn't work anymore in lennys version?
13:11<themill>!pidgin icq
13:11<dpkg>ICQ changed their protocol. Again. Blame them. New versions of pidgin to fix this problem are on the way and will be available through volatile or backports.org. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518988#71 or ask me about <volatile-proposed> or <backports.org>.
13:11<stew>zem: pidgin was updated in lenny yesterday
13:11<weasel>stew: there was a point release?
13:11<stew>weasel: no
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13:11<stew>weasel: if there was, you'd know about it
13:12<weasel>you never know these days :)
13:12<themill>stew: #518988 basically says "it's not going into lenny except at a point release perhaps"
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13:13<stew>oh, i thought I saw an upload to stable for it
13:13<zem>oh, need to install it from backports
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13:13<stew>http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pidgin/news/20090315T195406Z.html
13:13<themill>p.d.o knows nothing about it yet... it was uploaded to volatile-proposed
13:13<marcos>quit
13:13<stew>http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pidgin/news/20090312T230642Z.html is the upload to volatile'
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13:20<zem>blah, it's not in backports because it's not yet in testing
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13:37<chealer>zem: it will be updated
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13:40<kop>Is there a posix way to produce non-printable characters in shell, like the $'\t' bash-ism?
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13:49<schmichael>i have a laptop coming that i'm planning on using debian on but also keeping a tiny windows partition on it for IE browser testing, what kind of disk/partition encryption should i use to protect my debian partition(s)?
13:49<schmichael>i don't care about encrypting windows since i won't be doing anything worth protecting on it
13:50<koollman>the installer's default encryption system is nice
13:51<koollman>I was surprised, last week, decided to install debian on my laptop, and encryption is supported by default now
13:51<schmichael>koollman: good to know! i'll try that first. any "gotchas" i should be aware of?
13:51<schmichael>i'm a long time debian user, but i've never played with disk/partition encryption before
13:51<koollman>don't remove all partitions if you want to keep that windows partition around
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13:52<koollman>or the usual 'make backups, also this action can destroy all your data and eat you'
13:52<dgodfather>valdyn, hi again
13:52<dgodfather>valdyn, can you help me? i want to tell you what i succeeded and what not
13:52<dgodfather>maybe you can further help from where i am at
13:52<schmichael>koollman: my plan was to wipe the entire disk, partition it, reinstall windows to some tiny corner, and then install debian. does that sound right?
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13:52<valdyn>dgodfather: ok, as time permits
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13:53<dgodfather>valdyn, thanks. so the ping does get to the inner computer with the vpn source address and it's address as destination and it swithces it so it replies to the vpn address
13:53<akash>xm
13:53<Elessar_>hello
13:54<dgodfather>the reply doesn't return to the sender, i guess because the inner computer isn't configured with the appropriate route
13:54<themill>schmichael: if all you want is IE for browser testing then look at wine for that, or consider setting up a virtual machine.
13:54<dgodfather>but when adding a route, first, i can't see the reply in the sniffer, and second still it doesn't return to the sender
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13:54<schmichael>themill: wine is insufficient (tried it, not 100% accurate rendering), use a virtual machine on my desktop for xp, but my laptop has a pretty under-powered CPU (no VT extensions)
13:55<valdyn>dgodfather: add the route on the 10.0.0.138
13:55<Elessar_>when i run "xinit -- :1" from a tty, i can open a new session. but if i run it from a terminal emulator on an existing x session, i get this error:
13:55<Elessar_>X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
13:55<valdyn>dgodfather: not all those computers
13:55<koollman>schmichael: I would just resize the windows partition if possible
13:55<Elessar_>is that a common error?
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13:55<dgodfather>but 10.0.0.138 is a router
13:55<dgodfather>not a pc
13:55<dgodfather>it's the gateway
13:55<dr|z3d>Elessar_: ssh?
13:55<valdyn>dgodfather: you cant edit its routing table?
13:55<schmichael>koollman: ugh, really? i hate all the default crap OEMs install, but i guess if i don't use windows much, it doesn't really matter right?
13:55<valdyn>dgodfather: even some cheap routers permit this
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13:55<Elessar_>dr|z3d: no, all in local
13:55<valdyn>dgodfather: my netgear trash does.
13:55<dgodfather>i can, but it's not the vpn server
13:56<valdyn>dgodfather: thats ok
13:56<dgodfather>what do you mean?
13:56<dr|z3d>Elessar_: Sounds like a permissions issue, then.
13:56<themill>schmichael: fair enough. vmware or kqemu do a pretty good job even without VT extensions IME though. Last time I used wine for IE it worked fine without mis-renders, but that was using a fair amount of native dlls which will now have been replaced by internal wine ones, I guess....
13:56<koollman>schmichael: right. also, 'reinstalling windows' is often hard with the restoration cd you receive nowadays (that have one mode : wipe all, install windows with crap oem soft)
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13:56<valdyn>dgodfather: route 192.168.0.0 with the netmask 255.255.255.0 TO the vpn server
13:56<dgodfather>my vpn server can't be the gateway for allowed users?
13:56<dgodfather>OK
13:56<valdyn>dgodfather: yea, that makes you have to maintain more routers on more computers
13:56<Elessar_>dr|z3d: well, the fun thing is that i have no problem if i run xinit from a tty, while my already open x session runs on tty7
13:57<valdyn>dgodfather: you can do that
13:57<schmichael>koollman: good call. any idea if vista home premium minds getting resized?
13:57<dgodfather>valdyn, it's fine by me
13:57<dgodfather>i only need to make it work
13:57<valdyn>dgodfather: yea, that makes you have to maintain more *routes* on more computers
13:57<valdyn>dgodfather: both works
13:57<dgodfather>valdyn, but can you help me configure the route correctly?
13:57<dgodfather>it doesn't work for me
13:57<dr|z3d>Elessar_: What if you try and initialise your desktop environment directly. eg startxfce4
13:57<koollman>schmichael: never tried it myself
13:58<valdyn>dgodfather: route add 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw <ip_of_vpnserver>
13:58<dr|z3d>Elessar_: Even startx, perhaps..
13:58<Elessar_>dr|z3d: same problem from startx :)
13:58<Cadmium01>I have nome-terminal open and have created a tunnel by sshing into a system. How can I close this terminal window and still retain the connection? In other words how do I send a process to bachground?
13:58<valdyn>dgodfather: wehre <that ip_of_vpnserver> is that 10.* ip
13:58<dgodfather>valdyn, you mean doing this route add line on the router?
13:58<Elessar_>dr|z3d: and, starting a session from gdm works perfectly, as starting with startx/xinit from a tty…
13:58<schmichael>themill: virtualbox works amazingly well on my desktop. i just use windows so rarely that i'd prefer to just completely segment it off from my debian system. also if an app wants windows + directx, natively running windows is still the safest route
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13:59<themill>*nod*
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13:59<schmichael>thanks for your input :)
13:59<Elessar_>dr|z3d: i guess this is due to some environmen variable that xinit or startx uses, i shall look in the output of 'set'
14:00<schmichael>anybody know if resizing a vista home partition and installing debian is going to cause any hiccups for either OS?
14:00*schmichael shudders at the thought of using vista
14:00<themill>!dual boot guide
14:00<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ for an ISO image to help fix up grub problems.
14:00<dgodfather>valdyn, sorry for not fully understanding i am kind of new to this, where do i do the route add?
14:00<dgodfather>on which machine
14:00<Elessar_>how can i unset an environment variable?
14:00<dgodfather>?
14:00<themill>schmichael: ^^ there may be useful info there.
14:00<schmichael>ah, supergrubdisk :) thats saved my life before
14:01<fxiny>schmichael: same as resizing/shrinking ntfs , i suppose , so defrag the pig first
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14:02<schmichael>thanks
14:02<fxiny>schmichael: i have no vista
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14:03<fxiny>schmichael: and , i use LUKS for encryption
14:03<schmichael>fxiny: is LUKS what the installer can do for you?
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14:05<fxiny>schmichael: my way was setting up the layer and then cloning a normal system on it , obviuously the installer is fine
14:05<schmichael>k, thanks :)
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14:05<fxiny>schmichael: if you are an experienced user you can do it ;)
14:06<schmichael>i'm experienced but i have plenty of things i'd rather be learning than disk ecryption
14:06<schmichael>so i'm eager to get something that Just Works(tm)
14:06<schmichael>even if its not NSA proof
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14:07<schmichael>i just need to slow down any laptop thiefs long enough to reset passwords and revoke keys :)
14:07<schmichael>thieves*
14:07<fxiny>schmichael: there are nice LUKS tutorials at debian-administration.org
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14:07<schmichael><3 debian-administration
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14:13<zumbi>how do you make icedove default mail reader with update-alternatives --config <word_missing> ?
14:13<zumbi>!update-alternatives
14:13<dpkg>from memory, update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line. or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system
14:14<azeem>zumbi: I don't think that works via alternatives
14:15<azeem>zumbi: GNOME (and KDE?) have a (per-user) setting that sets the preferred MUA
14:15<azeem>for GNOME you ca probably set the default system-wide via gconf
14:15<zumbi>azeem: so how do i make iceweasel to open icedove when clicking an email link?
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14:16<azeem>zumbi: maybe it's in the iceweasel settings
14:16<azeem>or maybe it's delegated via mime, not sure
14:17<zumbi>it opens evolution right now, i should check iceweasel options
14:18<azeem>zumbi: well. maybe check what epiphany does, if you're running GNOME
14:18<azeem>though I guess the GNOME default is pretty clearly evo
14:18<zumbi>yeah, i have gnome installed, but i do not use it
14:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 415] by debhelper
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14:19<zumbi>i'll just remove evolution
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14:20<fxiny>zumbi: is icedove listed in /etc/alternatives ?
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14:22<zumbi>fxiny: no
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14:22<zumbi>azeem: now, iceweasel does nothing when clicking an email
14:22<azeem>heh, oops
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14:23<zumbi>fxiny: i have no iceweasel, but i have {x,gnome}-www-browser but no mail client
14:24<azeem>zumbi: what does "gnome-open mailto:foo@bar.com" do?
14:24<azeem>ah, gotta go, laters
14:24<zumbi>Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
14:24<zumbi>bye
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14:24<fxiny>zumbi: i believe there is an about:config settings in iceweasel for mailto
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14:25<zumbi>let me check
14:25<fxiny>but i am a mutt user , so i do not care much :)
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14:26<zumbi>mailcap could be?
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14:29<zumbi>fxiny: i am trying to send a webinterface RMA, when i click send it opens evolution, this is kind of frustrating
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14:30<dgodfather>can anyone please help me configure the final phase of my routing?
14:31<dgodfather>i have a vpn server in my LAN
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14:31<dr|z3d>zumbi: http://support.mozilla.com/kb/Changing+the+e-mail+program+used+by+Firefox
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14:31<dgodfather>and i want remote clients to connect to it and thus have access to another computer inside my lan
14:32<fxiny>zumbi: are you using iceweasel ?
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14:32<fxiny>you said "iceweasel does nothing"
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14:32<dgodfather>i got to the state where i have a ping to the inner computer and it replies, only it replies with the ip address of the vpn network (the source address of the request)
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14:33<dgodfather>and it doesn't return to the vpn server that passed on the request to the inner computer. i need to finish configuration so the ping reply will return to it's sender, the client connecting through vpn
14:33<valdyn>dgodfather: that rule was for each lan computer or just for your lan gateway
14:33<dgodfather>what rule?
14:33<valdyn>dgodfather: route add 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw <ip_of_vpnserver>
14:33<dgodfather>valdyn, what rule?
14:33<zumbi>fxiny: i am using iceweasel, iceweasel does nothing when i click a mailto: because i have removed evolution
14:33<dgodfather>i asked you where should i put it?
14:33<dgodfather>on which machine?
14:33<fxiny>zumbi: about:config ---> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=16187
14:33<Geek`N`Proud>dgodfather: client
14:34<valdyn>dgodfather: on every computer in your lan or just the 10.0.0.138 gateway
14:34<dgodfather>but where does 192.168.0.0 come from?
14:34<zumbi>fxiny: i found the email (mailto:...) in the html sources
14:34<valdyn>dgodfather: uh?
14:34<valdyn>dgodfather: it "comes" from the vpn
14:34<dgodfather>in wireshark i see (as expected) the internet address of the client
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14:35<dgodfather>nope vpn is 10.8.0.0
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14:35<valdyn>dgodfather: i cant teach how "this is how tcp/ip works in all details" in this irc channel
14:35<dgodfather>valdyn, I didn't ask how. i said, vpn network is 10.8.0.0
14:36<valdyn>dgodfather: no, short time ago your vpn was 192.168.0.0
14:36<fxiny>valdyn : that would be epic ;)
14:36<fxiny>how tcp works ...
14:36<valdyn>dgodfather: and your internet router gateway was 10.0.0.138
14:36<dgodfather>valdyn, no it never was, sorry if you were misled by my saying
14:36<dgodfather>valdyn, that is correct
14:36<valdyn>dgodfather: and your vpn gateway from the vpn client side was 192.168.0.1
14:37<zumbi>fxiny: fyi, i did not have network.protocol-handler.app.mailto in my iceweasel about:config
14:37<dgodfather>no let me fix it for you. my vpn gateway from client side is 10.8.0.0 network address while 192.168.0.1 is the lan gateway of the remote client, ie. it's reouter
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14:37<fxiny>zumbi : lemme check mine
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14:37<valdyn>dgodfather: this is fucked up you changing the info i get to work with all the time
14:37<dgodfather>my vpn server network is of the 10.8.0.0 and all it's clients are given these addresses
14:38<dgodfather>i don't change a thing, i guess i didn't understand what you asked when i gave you the info
14:38<dgodfather>but you saw some of the configuration but what i said now is and always was the state
14:38<valdyn>dgodfather: if you have a gateway having the ip address 10.8.0.0, thats fucked up
14:39<valdyn>dgodfather: ip hosts should not have a zero at the end
14:39<dgodfather>no it's not the gateway address
14:39<dgodfather>it's the network, the gateway is for instance 10.8.0.1
14:39<dgodfather>though i have two addresses one is for peer to peer it sais
14:39<valdyn>dgodfather: ok, you can ask me for help again once you got this painted down nicely, for me to look at
14:39<dgodfather>which i don't fully understand
14:40<fxiny>zumbi: f* mine is set to "yahoo! mail" dunno why , some crappy extensions ?
14:40<dgodfather>valdyn, i will make it even clearer. one vpn server with lan address of 10.0.0.xxx
14:40<fxiny>zumbi: plenty os mailto , adding all to my todo list
14:41<fxiny>of*
14:41<dgodfather>it's tun nic has address 10.8.0.1
14:41<dgodfather>and a p-2-p of 10.8.0.2
14:41<dgodfather>standard openvpn structure
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14:42<dgodfather>a remote client from behind it's own network of 192.168.0.0 is connecting the vpn getting address 10.8.0.x
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14:42<dgodfather>he pings to inner LAN computer of address 10.0.0.x
14:42<dgodfather>which is not the vpn server
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14:43<dgodfather>valdyn, ping get's to 10.0.0.x and 10.0.0.x replies to 10.8.0.x address which was the source address in the request
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14:43<dgodfather>it stays there, it doesn't get sent back to the vpn server that passed it
14:44<dgodfather>i need this packet to return to vpn server and from there to the client
14:44<dgodfather>valdyn, painted good enough?
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14:44<dgodfather>need more details ? something i forgot?
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14:44<zumbi>fxiny: do you package iceweasel?
14:45<dgodfather>valdyn, did you see my postings?
14:45<fxiny>zumbi: nope
14:45<zumbi>ok
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14:46<valdyn>dgodfather: route add -net 10.8.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw <ip_of_vpnserver>
14:46<dgodfather>which ip? lan ip of the vpn server?
14:46<dgodfather>10.0.0.x?
14:46<valdyn>dgodfather: yea
14:46<dgodfather>did that it doesn't work
14:46<valdyn>dgodfather: it works fine
14:46<fxiny>zumbi: no mailto ? try adding network.protocol-handler.app.mailto and see what happens
14:47<valdyn>dgodfather: meaning: this route is required, i dont know what else you are doing wrong
14:47<zxd>what's the command to recreate a deb source package after modifying rules file
14:47<dgodfather>valdyn, but i can't do something wrong if i get replies for my pings in the side of the LAN host i ping
14:47<fxiny>zumbi: i have some google mailto as weell , a mess . i believe extensions are to blame for this
14:47<valdyn>dgodfather: like switching ip_forward on on vpnserver etc
14:48<dgodfather>i did that, ip_forward = 1
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14:48<dgodfather>when i do the route exactly as you mentioned i get no replies (which might be ok since it's forwarded) but i can't capture the reply on the vpn server as well
14:49<dgodfather>this is where it's forwarded to
14:49<zumbi>fxiny: that's what i did, but it does not call icedove. I also have Yahoo and Gmail stuff in some variables
14:49<valdyn>dgodfather: use something like traceroute or mtr on both sides
14:49<valdyn>dgodfather: both sides = vpn client and lan computer
14:49<dgodfather>valdyn, explain yourself
14:49<dgodfather>traceroute to one another?
14:49<valdyn>dgodfather: yes
14:49<zumbi>fxiny: i solved my issue by reading email from HTML sources, so I guess that's the best i can do to send mail by using iceweasel
14:49<dgodfather>OK, will paste the output
14:50<fxiny>zumbi: debian forums says : "network.protocol-handler.app.mailto" and "as 'string' and put '/usr/bin/icedove' as 'value'"
14:51<dgodfather>valdyn, can't traceroute to the computer i can't ping
14:51<dgodfather>it fails with time out
14:51<valdyn>dondelelcaro: you can
14:51<valdyn>gah
14:51<valdyn>dgodfather: you can run it, any output is useful
14:51<valdyn>dgodfather: sure it wont reach the destination if ping does not, but I'm well aware of that
14:51<dgodfather>OK sec
14:51<zumbi>fxiny: i added that with no result, i'm rebooting iceweasel
14:52<zumbi>fxiny: yes - it does nothing to me
14:52<fxiny>zumbi: i don't have icedove to double check it
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14:53<zumbi>fxiny: can you start mutt ?
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14:53<fxiny>zumbi: mutt works in a term
14:54<fxiny>ho can i start mutt from iceweasel ?
14:54<zumbi>but can you call a term with mutt from iceweasel?
14:54<valdyn>fxiny: it should use gnomes default in gnome
14:54<zumbi>fxiny: you do it by calling 'xterm mutt'
14:54<fxiny>zumbi: you have the dove to do it :)
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14:55<fxiny>valdyn: gnome runs mutt from iceweasel ? nice
14:55<zumbi>no it runs evolution
14:55<valdyn>zumbi: so set gnome to use mutt
14:55<zumbi>that's the whole problem
14:55<fxiny>i will never ever use it
14:56<zumbi>valdyn: how?
14:56<valdyn>zumbi: gnome-default-applications-properties
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14:56<fxiny>zumbi: so lemme see what happens if i add mutt
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14:56*zumbi installs back gnome-desktop
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14:57<valdyn>zumbi: i dont know the precise interaction or if iceweasel-gnome-support enables this
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14:58<zumbi>valdyn: it works ! that's the bit we were missing !
14:58<s4br3>cahoot, Thanks for your help with sound a few days ago.
14:59<dgodfather>valdyn, how do i send to the vpn client? to which address of his? the vpn address?
14:59<valdyn>dgodfather: yes
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15:00<zumbi>fxiny: very fancy stuff.. i need to write this command somewhere, i always forget
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15:01<s4br3>Hi, I run unstable/exerimental. Unfortunately, the tulip package never starts. It shows for a fraction of second and dies. There were no error messages during installation. Any guesses?
15:01<valdyn>zumbi: its in the gnome menu too
15:01<zumbi>dpkg iceweasel is also You want to change settings in gnome (as changing your mail reader) call gnome-default-applications-properties
15:01<dpkg>okay, zumbi
15:01<stew>s4br3: hav eyou checked the bts?
15:01<s4br3>stew, what is bts?
15:01<zumbi>valdyn: i have no gnome menu on dwm window manager
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15:01<valdyn>zumbi: but iceweasel-gnome-support installed or somesuch
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15:02<stew>s4br3: /msg dpkg bts
15:02<fxiny>zumbi: damn can't find a mailto link
15:02<zumbi>valdyn: i have gnome installed, but not running
15:02<zumbi>fxiny: http://beagleboard.org/support/rma click submit
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15:03<valdyn>zumbi: this is a corner case where debian has to look very ugly
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15:03<valdyn>zumbi: apps using gconf ( gnome configuration ) while you dont have access to the obvious gui
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15:04<zumbi>valdyn: yeap
15:04<dgodfather>valdyn, -> http://pastebin.com/m42c24622 where 10.0.0.XXX is the LAN computer and the 10.8.0.x is the vpn client address
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15:04<fxiny>valdyn: like gparted/gksu ?
15:04<s4br3>stew, bts = bug tracking system?
15:04<valdyn>dgodfather: do you think its wise to X out info i might actually need?
15:04<stew>s4br3: yes
15:05<valdyn>dgodfather: you arent exposing yourself when you dont X out this
15:05<Supaplex>is there a sed like util for pcap files? I need to sanitize some packet captures for submission as part of a public bug report.
15:05<valdyn>dgodfather: 10.8.0.1 is your vpn server i hope
15:05<dgodfather>valdyn, i am kind of worried but OK, i hope everything will be fine
15:05<s4br3>stew, I looked at the package maintainer page and there had been no update since spring 2008. Maybe that is an indication in itself.
15:05<dgodfather>valdyn, well yes, 10.8.0.1 is my server
15:06<dgodfather>vpn server
15:06<valdyn>dgodfather: these addresses are not publically routable
15:06<dgodfather>yes that i know, but still it's kind of exposing my inner network structure,
15:06<dgodfather>anyway i will live with that
15:06<zumbi>do you think if i make a partition, run debootstrap and tell grub to use that parttion to boot, would work?
15:06<dgodfather>10x
15:06<valdyn>dgodfather: this means that a) your vpn server is not forwarding or b) windows vpn client is not replying to ping
15:06<valdyn>dgodfather: b) is the default in windows xp with firewall on
15:07<dgodfather>well b is out of the question since it does reply to other pings
15:07<fxiny>zumbi: no , it don't work . replacing ~/.mozilla backups , i stay in my term with mutt
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15:07<dgodfather>even inside my network, say the lan address of the vpn server or it's vpn addresss
15:07<dgodfather>bye the way not sure i answered correctly
15:07<zumbi>fxiny: it might not work to you because you might not have gnome?
15:07<fxiny>zumbi: it brings up google and yahoo mail
15:07<stew>s4br3: i wouldn't necessarily take that as in indication of a problem, did you check the bts for the package?
15:07<dgodfather>valdyn, 10.8.0.1 is my vpn server address
15:08<fxiny>zumbi: could be , i am proudly running xmonad
15:08<dgodfather>oh that is what i said, OK
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15:08<valdyn>dgodfather: theres only those 2 possibilities
15:08<zumbi>fxiny: i dunno xmonad
15:08<s4br3>stew, I am looking right now. There are several. I am not sure yet if mine is there among the others.
15:08<dgodfather>valdyn, so how do i check and fix the first one? a
15:09<valdyn>dgodfather: you check if forwarding is on
15:09<valdyn>dgodfather: heck no
15:09<fxiny>zumbi: xmonad is great . mutt was one of the first app i set up when i first run linux
15:09<dgodfather>sec
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15:09<valdyn>dgodfather: i forgot about the routing table on the vpn client
15:09<valdyn>dgodfather: which has no entry properly matching 10.0.0.0 iirc
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15:09<zumbi>fxiny: i use dwm, which by cache show info look very much the same
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15:11<fxiny>zumbi: wmmi --> dwm --> awesome/xmonad , but coded in haskell
15:11<s4br3>stew, Sadly, the http://freshmeat.net/projects/tulip links to debian.org but there is nothing there at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/tulip.html
15:11<zumbi>fxiny: :)
15:13<stew>s4br3: it shouldn't have .html on the end
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15:13<fxiny>zumbi: i read something yesterday on reddit kinda of "by by list , going to haskell" , i have a book but no time to read it yet
15:13<fxiny>s/list/lisp/
15:13<gravity>prepare for your head to hurt. Bad.
15:13<valdyn>dgodfather: i dont do windows support, someone else alread told you how to see the routing table: "route show"
15:13<s4br3>ok, I'll inform the freshmeaters
15:13<zumbi>fxiny: i am not familiar with haskell :-/ i should read about it
15:14<fxiny>zumbi: i never learned python (yeahhh my bad) so i have some free space left :P
15:14<valdyn>dgodfather: this *should* be configurable in the vpn client
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15:14<dgodfather>the vpn client route is pushed by the server
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15:15<dgodfather>this is openvpn server
15:15<emil>hi
15:15<emil>algum brasileiro aqui?
15:15<valdyn>!br
15:15<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:15<fxiny>zumbi: is called "haskell - the craft of functional programming"
15:16<s4br3>stew, LOL. Found this http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=tulip
15:16<fxiny>and it looks indeed like craft-magic :P
15:16<gravity>fxiny: Look at Real World Haskell. It's probably the best general Haskell book around right now, and you can read it free on the web if you don't want to buy a copy
15:16<miso>hi , its possible to use two 3G modems (HUAWEI) as one link for transmit stream data ? (i need to transfer through biger link, one modem is not enough) ... any advice ?
15:17<valdyn>!bonding
15:17<dpkg>well, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 for some general info (beware, it's older, note the Date)
15:17<fxiny>gravity: yes ? i certainly will ,tx :)
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15:17<zumbi>fxiny: i'll take a glance whenever i have some time... but today i run from one problem to another since i burn a chip on a new device i got :-/
15:18<miso>valdyn> thanks, have sombody trying it ?
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15:19<fxiny>zumbi: one thing is sure : lenny xmonad is great fun
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15:19<dgodfather>valdyn, thank you very much you helped me a lot it is working
15:19<zumbi>fxiny: does it have same keybindings as their fathers?
15:19<dgodfather>sorry for being a pain in the neck a bit, but i am learning
15:19<valdyn>dgodfather: nice, finally
15:20<dgodfather>hee yes finally
15:20<fxiny>zumbi: yes , but there is a huge contrib documentations , all debianized
15:20<dgodfather>good night
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15:23<fxiny>zumbi: i dived quickly into some 20-25 different layouts , i like it so much i decided to stop "guessing" haskell lines and to learn a bit of it , before going back to the start
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15:25<ml>hello
15:26<fxiny>ml: here you are :)
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15:26<ml>:)
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15:27<ml>fxiny: is mutt intuitive?
15:27<ml>fxiny: can it do imap?
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15:28<dondelelcaro>ml: yes
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15:28<ml>dondelelcaro: to both ?
15:29<dondelelcaro>ml: it's intuitive in my opinion, but..
15:29<debian_Eric>Does anyone know of a way to change the email address associated with your irc account?
15:30<dkr> /msg nickserv help set
15:30<dkr>debian_Eric: ^^^
15:30<debian_Eric>Thanks
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15:31<fxiny>ml: yes yes ;)
15:32<ml>fxiny: will take alook at mutt, I just use gmail now
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15:34<fxiny>ml: grab this flyer : send2-hook '~f <YOU>@gmail.com' 'set sendmail="/usr/bin/msmtp -a gmail"'
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15:34<fxiny>ml: no more sending via gmail with a browser ;)
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15:35<fxiny>ml: that's a mutt hook using msmtp
15:36<ml>fxiny: ok will save that thanks :)
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15:38<fxiny>ml: what hapopens is : you type your mail in mutt as usual , mutt reads the ml@gmail.com and sends not via your isp mailserver but via gmail server , you'll find a copy in your sent gmail box
15:39<ml>fxiny: like the mailto in iceweasel :)
15:39<ml>but in mutt
15:39<ml>correct?
15:40<fxiny>ml: is a hook triggered by the address , any ml@your.isp follows the usual route
15:40<ml>I need to do some reading before I start using mutt I see
15:41<petemc>fxiny: surely the mta needs to be configured for that, rather than mutt
15:41<fxiny>petemc: yes , i forgot to tell ml about this :)
15:42<fxiny>ml: read :)
15:42<ml>fxiny: heh
15:42<petemc>hmm, recent versions of mutt do smtp
15:42<petemc>judd: info mutt
15:42<judd>petemc: mutt (mail): is standard; Version: 1.5.18-6; Size: 1885.3k; Installed: 4848k -- text-based mailreader supporting MIME, GPG, PGP and threading
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15:44<fxiny>and *scores* ...
15:44<fxiny>how can you read 2000 mail without scores ?
15:44<fxiny>i can't
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15:45<ml>fxiny: yes you can :)
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15:45<petern>mmm, mutt
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15:55<dondelelcaro>fxiny: I personally don't use scores; procmail deals with it for me
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15:56<fxiny>dondelelcaro: i use procmail too , to sort mail in mboxes
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16:01<petemc>i just tested mutt sending directly with gmail, works perfectly
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16:02<fxiny>petemc: and a copy is in gmail sent box :)
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16:02<k0pp>whats the name of this server?
16:02<ml>fxiny: scores is seperate from mutt?
16:02<k0pp>i mean the url, irc.....org etc
16:03<ml>k0pp: irc.debian.org
16:03<k0pp>ah neat. yeah i was hunting down botnets, this servers IP was in my honeypot logs @_@
16:03<k0pp>neat i'll autojoin, i never thought to join here. heh
16:04<fxiny>ml: is a feature , is the "[570]" displayed above
16:04*ml reading about mutt
16:05<ml>fxiny: btw not a komoto any more :)
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16:05<k0pp>i havnt looked into just plain ole debian in a while.. i've been using kubuntu for ages.. what's the newest debian release? last one i used was etch
16:05<fxiny>ml: komodo giant lizard ?
16:05<petemc>fxiny: sure is
16:05<ml>k0pp: lenny 5.0
16:06<ml>fxiny: my term colors remember :p
16:06<k0pp>oh i see. i'll go investigate. may be worth the switch eh?
16:06<fxiny>ml: yes , the green ones :P
16:07<ml>fxiny: cyan: white now much better on the eyes ;P
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16:19<Noble>Hi, during startup setting static IP fails, which results in dhcp3 not starting. Suggestions?
16:19<azeem>Noble: why does that result?
16:19<azeem>do you mean dhcpd?
16:19<Noble>yes
16:20<Noble>well
16:20<Noble>uhm :P
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16:20<Noble>Im trying to set up my old computer as a NAT router
16:20<Noble>with iptables
16:20<Noble>everything is working
16:20<Noble>but I must start dhcpd manually
16:20<Noble>which is kinda annoying
16:20<azeem>how did you setup static IP?
16:20<Noble>2 sec
16:21<Noble>auto eth1
16:21<Noble>iface eth1 inet static
16:21<Noble> adress 10.0.0.1
16:21<Noble> netmask 255.255.255.0
16:21<Noble> network 10.0.0.0
16:21<Noble> broadcast 10.0.0.0
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16:21<azeem>Noble it's address, not adress.
16:21<ml>fxiny: mutt was already installed, don't remember installing it :)
16:21<Noble>ok back
16:21<ml>Noble: use pastebin
16:21<ml>!paste
16:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
16:22<Noble>http://paste.debian.net/30714/
16:22<Noble>does that help?
16:22<azeem>21:19 < azeem> Noble it's address, not adress.
16:22<azeem>21:19 < azeem> Noble it's address, not adress.
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16:22<azeem>oops, lag
16:22<Noble>ah
16:22<Noble>2 sec :D
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16:23<Noble>typo ftw ^^
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16:29*action09 hi
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17:01<deadcat>whats up with linux-kbuild-2.6.28 in sid?
17:02<stew>deadcat: it doesn't exist
17:02<amjad>Is there a way to find all sym links in a dir and below/
17:02<stew>amjad: find /dir -type l
17:02<amjad>let me try that
17:03<deadcat>stew: i know. i want to install the linux-headers package but its preventing me.
17:03<amjad>Thanks, stew ,I was trying -lname
17:04<stew>deadcat: use 2.6.26
17:04<deadcat>stew: ya..
17:05<amjad>Can I see in an easy way what they point to
17:05<stew>amjad: readlink /paht/to/symlink
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17:05<amjad>I have to pipe find out to readlink?
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17:06<amjad>I have to pipe find output to readlink?
17:06<Tengu_>nope....
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17:06<Tengu_>find <path> -type l -exec ls -dl '{}' \;
17:06<k0pp>what's the best tool to burn a torrented dvd in .avi format to a blank dvd-r?
17:06<Tengu_>man find will be your friend.
17:07<amjad>ohh yeah, Tengu_
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17:07<tcsetattr>find -exec ls is silly... try find -ls
17:07<Tengu_>k0pp: growiso + cdrecord/wodim for CLI
17:08<Tengu_>k0pp: or k3b
17:08<k0pp>hrm
17:08<k0pp>i'll be able to watch it on my TV correct?
17:08<k0pp>well.. via my dvd player of course.
17:08<Tengu_>if your player supports avi format.
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17:09<titof>hi all, i have a very stupid question, i have 8go or RAM but the soft that would like to install advise me to prepare two times more big swap than my ram ... does it have a sense ? 'cause i'll have to explain why i didn't follow the requisite ...
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17:09<Tengu_>tcsetattr: tcsetattr with -ls, you can't give nice arguments
17:09<amjad>thanks all
17:09<Tengu_>but true, it can be used.
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17:10<Gizmo>i need to reset my shell env variables...
17:10<Tengu_>maybe "reset"... ?
17:10<Gizmo>Im using somesoft which cause my shell not to echo once i exit it...
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17:10<Gizmo>jesus
17:10<Gizmo>sorry
17:10<alemao>Hello!
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17:11<Gizmo>hee hee Thanks
17:11<Tengu_>np.
17:11<alemao>HI!
17:11<ml>titof: what software? with 8gb you should set it to a max 2gb, and you get away with now swap
17:11<alemao>Hola!
17:11<ml>*no
17:12<Tengu_>isn't it some oracle system, titof ?
17:12<Tengu_>or... a java software -.-
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17:13<resmo>hi
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17:14<titof>Tengu : yes Oracle
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17:15<resmo>I like to set up a mirror of stable and wanted to know how much space this would take, i found http://www.debian.org/mirror/size but this seems to be outdated, any hints?
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17:17<titof>ml : i totaly agree but it's difficult to break the old rules
17:17<Tengu_>titof: I knew it :D. well, you can do as ml said : 2G of swao max, even NO swap at all. oracle will go fine-
17:17<Tengu_>the rule "have twice the size of ram in swap" is for ald system with less than 2G.
17:17<Tengu_>*old
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17:18<simonrvn>i would put a little bit of swap since linux vm works better with it
17:18<Tengu_>even redhat has now some other rules when you install their system in "automatic mode". but I don't remember...
17:18<ml>titof: to be on the save side make it 2gb
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17:18<deniz>my letters are all small the way i like it but on this program that I use (mnemosyne), the letters are huge for some reason, how do i change this so the size is normal like the rest of the letters?
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17:18<Tengu_>something like : ->2G of ram ->> 2xRAM for swap, more than 2G -> 2G of ram
17:18<titof>Tengu ml : do you know some kernel code or else where i can read it ? ... i must push a proove about
17:18<mauro2000>ciao
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17:19<Tengu_>titof: don't have any link here... it's just "good sens" -.-'
17:20<Tengu_>titof: but maybe read redhat installation.
17:20<ml>titof: I don't remember where I read it, but read the same advice from deifferent sources
17:20<Tengu_>titof: there's the "rule" I mentionned.
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17:23<titof>Tengu_ ml : thanks guys .
17:24<titof>bas baille
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17:26<oc80z>sup hackers
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17:27<tom>Hey. When an application starts, how does it choose which network connection to use?
17:27<Tengu_>chcking the routes ?
17:28<Tengu_>*checking
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17:28<jmw>tom: the kernel does it for you
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17:29<tom>jmw: Hmm. I have a wired connection (to my LAN, where I'm hoping to connect to our DC++ server) and a wireless connection which has the Internet. Is there a way to tell the kernel which you want? :\
17:29<jmw>tom: with the kernel's routing table
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17:29<jmw>tom: ip route add|del <parameters>
17:29<tom>jmw: Okay thanks, I'll look it up. :)
17:30<jmw>tom: for a default gateway, ip route add default <device>
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17:35<mauro2000>ciao
17:35<jmw>!it
17:35<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:35<mauro2000>ok
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18:01<action09>hi all, i've installed Debian Lenny in LVM loop aes, i suppose i have to backup my aes key to later decrypt the FS if needed , how to do that ? no configuration in wiki
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18:04<jrabbit>17:03 CTCP AVATAR reply from Krasnodar_OCA in channel #debian:
18:04<jrabbit>what
18:04<jrabbit>XD
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18:06<dustpylex2>Why won't GParted let me format my 4GB flash drive to FAT32? It's unmounted and I can format to ext2 ext3 and swap but nothing else...
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18:07<weasel>Krasnodar_OCA: don't. do. that. ever. again.
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18:07<llutz>dustpylex2: dosfstools installed?
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18:08<Krasnodar_OCA>weasel: sorry $)
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18:09<dr|z3d>Yeah, what was that CTCP/AVATAR nonsense?
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18:09<dustpylex2>llutz, no, that was the problem lol. Thanks
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18:21<mimiloon>i have a quick question about 'VirtualBox' and that is how do i reassign the 'host key'
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18:23<dkr>mimiloon: file...preferences...input
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18:24<mimiloon>dkr: thanks, i'm new to virtualbox
18:25<dkr>mimiloon: well, looking at the preferences menu option to change preferences is kind of a global thing with most gui software nowadays. :)
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18:27<mimiloon>dkr: i should've looked into that; i tried changing it in the guest OS window in the bottom right, lol
18:27<dr|z3d>Subtext: Don't be lazy, check your app's features.
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18:35<client>since i upgraded to lenny my wireless network connection has been acting up. it works fine until the signal is dropped and then i can't do anything to get it back.
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18:36<client>i use to get a message when i went into network seeting of the control pannel about which version of debian i had
18:36<client>and once i selected lenny and said to stop asking i can't get it working
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18:38<edistar>hi.. is there a tool to delete users based in the uid?
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18:40*Pitxyoki *pofs*!
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18:41<steven>hello. how can i add a key to ubuntu if it is not in a file?
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18:41<steven>for example: OpenOffice - http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x60D11217247D1CFF
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18:41<azeem>steven: please ask #ubuntu
18:41<steven>woops, sorry azeem
18:41<dr|z3d>steven: You copy and paste the key to a txt doc, save that, and then import. And what azeem said.
18:41<steven>will do.
18:42<steven>thansk dr|z3d
18:42<tom112>Hey. I have two connections: wired (eth0) and wireless (wlan0). I've set up my routing table as http://pastebin.com/mb424038 (100.0.0.0/8 being my wired LAN). i.e. I only use wired for connections going to 100.0.0.0/8 However, I cannot get my peer's filelist on DC++ (who are 100.100.100.100) and yet I can connect to the hub (who is 100.100.100.69). Does anybody have any ideas?
18:43<tom112>I'm running debian unstable, and the DC++ client I'm using is linuxdcpp. When I request a peer's filelist, the connection times out.
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18:44<yfk>I get Side mismatch upon apt-get update, how can I fix this?
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18:44<yfk>*size
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18:45<simonrvn>change mirror
18:46<minerale>how do I setup a static dns server? -- just add it to /etc/resolv.conf file ?
18:46<yfk>simonrvn: so It's a server issue?
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18:49<gokee2>Anyone know where hotplug firmware should go? On Debian Lenny (For a Hauppauge PVR-150). I looked in /lib/udev/firmware.agent but did not see anything called FIRMWARE_DIR as http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware said I would
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18:50<amphi>/lib/firmware I would think
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18:52<gokee2>amphi, Hmm, I tried sticking it there but it did not find it
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18:52<gokee2>(yesterday)
18:52<amphi>gokee2: then I have no idea
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19:11<shze>since some recent update, I can't suspend anymore, my laptop hangs with Suspending console(s). How do I use no_console_suspend to debug where it actually hangs?
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19:12<enouf>gokee2: maybe a clue ; $ rgrep -i firmware /etc/udev
19:13<enouf>gokee2: /msg dpkg udev rules
19:13<gokee2>enouf, I think I found it at "/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware"
19:13<enouf>hm
19:14<tp>Is there a ftp server that doesn't need a real user of my computer? Something very simple? No auth is needed..
19:14<enouf>seems reasonable, i guess
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19:14<dr|z3d>tp: Most ftp servers should support creating arbitrary users.
19:15<dr|z3d>tp: proftpd and the gadmin front end you might find helpful.
19:15<tp>cool! thanks!
19:15<shze>found it. no_console_suspend is a kernel parameter...
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19:16<themill>gokee2: most stuff in debian uses /lib/firmware (the firmware for a network card could be needed in order to be able to nfs mount /usr). That's not to say that other path isn't also searched, however.
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19:17<githogori>How come this "apt-get lib64stdc++6" works on a 32-bit machine and fails on a 64-bit machine - it can find it. sources.list are identical on both servers
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19:18<jmw>githogori: see http://packages.debian.org/sid/lib64stdc++6, it isn't available for amd64
19:18<gokee2>themill, Hmm, when I put in in /lib/firmware (as I had seen somewhere to do) unloaded and reloaded the modules nothing happened. When I put it in the "/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware" unloaded and reloaded the modules it started showing static when I mplayer /dev/video0 and dmesg said good things
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19:19<themill>gokee2: fair enough
19:19<enouf>!yay dmesg
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19:20<gokee2>This is really strange... I can`t ping (ping gets no results) yet I am on the internet
19:21<lvdz>hi
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19:21<githogori>jmw: thanks - my machine is a xeon, how do I get it to get that lib?
19:23<minerale>I moved a debian xen image from one server to another... now I get error: eth0: link is not ready -- how is 'eth0' mapped to the driver ?
19:23<enouf>!z25
19:23<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
19:23<jmw>githogori: are you not using libstdc++6 for some reason?
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19:26<minerale>enouf: I dont have /etc/udev ...
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19:32<githogori>jmw: I do have libstdc++6 installed - was under the impression I needed the 64bit explicitly.
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19:34<jmw>githogori: you may do, I don't know. But normally, apt-get install libstdc++6 will install the version appropriate for your arch, which for xeons is ia-64 i think
19:34<enouf>jmw: no
19:34<jmw>there is something special about lib64stdc++6, but I don't know what
19:34<enouf>!ia64
19:34<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
19:34<jmw>ah, amd64, sorry
19:34<githogori>jmw: i tried this explicit 64-bit path when I ran into problems building R on my 64 bit server, but not on my 32-bit server.
19:34<enouf>no worries
19:35<themill>githogori: you know that R is already in debian, don't you?
19:36<githogori>themill: yeah, but there is some stuff that I need to build myself.
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19:37<jmw>githogori: I suggest you install the Build-Dependencies from the R source package page
19:37<githogori>I wasn aware xeon´s were like Itanium?
19:37<themill>githogori: apt-get build-dep r-base may be a good start
19:38<githogori>jwm: I´ll try that next, I guess.
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19:38<githogori>I din have this kind of problem building in on my 32-bit servers.
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19:40<jmw>xeons aren't like itanium, that was my mistake
19:40<jmw>they confuse me :(
19:40<abrotman>why? it's not xeons are something new
19:41<enouf>english please!
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19:42<abrotman>eh?
19:42<abrotman>whoops .. that was canadian
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19:42<enouf>+like?
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19:47<vermelhua>hi there
19:48<vermelhua>needing some help about dependencies stuff, am I in the right place???
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19:49<jmw>vermelhua: yes
19:50<vermelhua>ok, think it's simple... I've installed lenny and moved to SID... and now I'm trying to install cinelerra on it...
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19:51<themill>libavcodec51 is borken in sid. Welcome to sid.
19:51<vermelhua>but cinelerra ask me for liblame0 and I have libmp3lame, how to tell it to look after libmp3lame
19:51<vermelhua>uh
19:51<vermelhua>i wasn't there yet
19:52<themill>Do you know that cinelerra is packaged for debian on debian-multimedia.org?
19:53<abrotman>so is lame
19:54<vermelhua>I've the debian-multimedia at my source list but i have giss.tv too that is from where i was hopping to get it
19:55<vermelhua>ok
19:55<themill>btw you can only expect limited support from #debian for 3rd party repos at the best of times and even less support for sid...
19:55<vermelhua>removed giss
19:55<vermelhua>and it's installing from apt
19:56<minerale>if I take out my nic (eth0) and put another one in... will it default to eth0 as well ?
19:56<abrotman>minerale: no
19:57<vermelhua>thanks
19:57<minerale>abrotman: is there a guide to changing nic cards?
19:57<abrotman>!z25
19:57<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
19:57<minerale>abrotman: I don't have udev
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19:58<meshuggah>hit here
19:58<meshuggah>hi there
19:58<meshuggah>any acid-music like program for lenny?
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19:59<meshuggah>oops
19:59<meshuggah>wrong button
19:59<valdyn>minerale: if udev is not installed it should be eth0
19:59<abrotman>minerale: yes you do
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20:00<abrotman>minerale: unless you've done some extra work to keep it out of your system, you have it
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20:02<minerale>abrotman: this was a debian image originally configured to run under xen by linode.com people
20:02<abrotman>and?
20:03<minerale>I've moved it to another xen host, but it now has a different mac address
20:03-!-enzo [~enzo@200-54-153-115.static.tie.cl] has joined #debian
20:03<minerale>even if it's the same 'xen nic' in spirit
20:03<enzo>hola a todos
20:03<abrotman>minerale: and you're certain you don't have udev at all ?
20:03<abrotman>!es
20:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:03<meshuggah>salut enzo
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20:04<Guest359>de donde eres
20:04<abrotman>Guest359: english here
20:04<azeem>!es
20:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:04<zumbi>!es
20:04<Guest359>not
20:04<minerale>abrotman: # ls -al /etc/udev; ls: /etc/udev: No such file or directory
20:04<Guest359>only spanish
20:04<abrotman>Guest359: go to #debian-es please
20:04<abrotman>minerale: then it should still be eth0 .. why are you asking ?
20:05<Guest359>bye
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20:05<meshuggah>hola
20:05<minerale>oh god...
20:05<minerale>sorry
20:05<azeem>meshuggah: please write in english here
20:05<abrotman>did you poke god in the eye?
20:05<meshuggah>azeem, sorry :)
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20:05<abrotman>minerale: why are you sorry?
20:06<minerale>abrotman: I thought I had to replace udev with 'eth0' and I was making a silly mistake, but I don't have either /etc/eth0 or /etc/udev
20:06<abrotman>heh
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20:13<christian>urru
20:13<christian>\o/
20:14<freetux>fifth generation language programing expert?
20:14<abrotman>real question?
20:14<christian>hello
20:14<freetux>yea that's right
20:15<freetux>you are one christian?
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20:15<freetux>need some help with a shool home work come on help me
20:16<christian>this is my name
20:16<freetux>oops my mistake
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20:16<freetux>you know the fingers got
20:17<freetux>twisted and everything sorry
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20:17<freetux>so can help?
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20:18<themill>!homework
20:18<dpkg>[homework] something you should do yourself
20:18<christian>yes
20:18<freetux>yeah
20:18<freetux>but you know
20:19<freetux>some topics
20:19<christian>I'm from brazil
20:19<freetux>are confusse
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20:19<freetux>i'm from mx
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20:20<christian>some
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20:20<christian>latin america
20:20<christian>\o/
20:20<christian>\o/
20:20<adama>!enter
20:20<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
20:20<freetux>yeah by example who invented 5 generation language programing
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20:21<christian>\o/
20:21<abrotman>christian: stop already
20:22<freetux>ok sorry i'm new on this
20:22<zumbi>!br
20:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:22<christian>urru brasil
20:23<christian>for me to stop what?
20:23<Henry_Bean>Hi, is anybody experiencing problems with canvas refreshing under gnome in sid?
20:24<christian>i no
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20:26<christian>De habla hispana
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20:30<christian>someone likes evanescence
20:30<christian>?
20:31<adama>christian: this channel is for debian support only.
20:33<christian>that boredom
20:34-!-Txt-file1 [~txt@89.246.171.216] has joined #debian
20:34<christian>I do not like the bloody same linux
20:35<jmw>christian: so why are you here?
20:35<christian>you better buy the windows
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20:35<jmw>christian: linux gives you the whole house :)
20:36<abrotman>christian: do you have a Debian question?
20:38<christian>no
20:38<christian>ta all in English thought it was a chat-room
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20:40<christian>like to install games on linux?
20:40<jmw>!tell christian about debian
20:40*simonrvn suggests an /ignore on christian
20:41*jmw is too amused at this time of night
20:41<christian>blz
20:41<simonrvn>hehe
20:41<christian>rsrsrsrs[
20:42<azeem>christian: please keep it on topic
20:42<abrotman>christian: this is a Debian support channel, not a social channel, try #debian-offtopic
20:44<christian>okay
20:44<christian>but its install games on linux?
20:46<abrotman>which vresion of linux?
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20:48<pidus>I am using debian Lenny on KDE 4.1 but I don't see any hibernate options in Lenny though there is one that works perfectly in Kubuntu. Can anyone tell me how can i fix it or it isn't implemented in Lenny or is it a bug?
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20:51<christian>I use linux insigne
20:52<mimiloon>hi everybody, can anybody help me please? i have a problem with my sound card; i can hear the sound from the speakers and the headphone but when i'm using the headphones, the sound is still coming from the big speakers. i'm using debian 5.0.
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20:53<kevc>mimiloon: what laptop?
20:54<mimiloon>kevc: it's a LifeBook T4210 Tablet PC
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21:16<Goober>get yo punk ass out my sushi bar!
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21:16<diamondice>has anyone been able to get the xen pkg to work on lenny?
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21:17<diamondice>it doesn't booot, doesn't output, screen's black after grub, i'm dead in the water
21:17<petemc>what did you install?
21:18<diamondice>xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-i386 libc6-xen linux0image-xen-686 bridge-utils libsysfs2
21:18<petemc>the xen-linux-system package works for me
21:18<diamondice>it boots?
21:18<diamondice>it outputs?
21:18<diamondice>i can't get jack to work
21:18<diamondice>as soon i select it from grub
21:19<diamondice>grub outputs the kernel
21:19<diamondice>the two modules
21:19<diamondice>the screen refreshes
21:19<diamondice>and deth
21:19<mimiloon>hi everybody, can anybody help me please? i have a problem with my sound card; i can hear the sound from the speakers and the headphone but when i'm using the headphones, the sound is still coming from the big speakers. i'm using debian 5.0
21:20<petemc>diamondice: try installing that metapackage, ive heard of others having problems using individual packages, grub is configured but you dont have everything you need
21:20<diamondice>petemc: what metapackage?
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21:20<petemc>diamondice: assuming you can still boot into your old, working kernel
21:20<diamondice>petemc: yes the old kernel is fine
21:20<petemc>diamondice: xen-linux-system-something
21:21<diamondice>petemc: should i remove what i alraedy installed?
21:21<petemc>shouldnt need to
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21:21<diamondice>petemc: got it, xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686
21:22<petemc>thats the one
21:22<diamondice>rebooting
21:22<diamondice>deth
21:22<diamondice>the curser even freezes
21:23<petemc>boot into the old kernel again, check grub against what you have in boot
21:23<diamondice>http://dpaste.com/15406/
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21:24<diamondice>is there a pastebin tool for debian
21:24<diamondice>in gentoo i have wgetpaste
21:24<diamondice>and its magnificant
21:25<stew>!pastebin pipe
21:25<dpkg>Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234".
21:25<avu>diamondice, pastebinit for example
21:25<avu>ah. too slow I am, young padawan
21:25<diamondice>lol
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21:26<diamondice>xen is really pissing me off
21:27<petemc>that package worked fine for me on a few machines
21:27<diamondice>and my neighbors dog, i'm contemplating walking up there with a pitchfork and asking for the dog
21:27<diamondice>do u think xen doesn't like vbox?
21:28<petemc>i cant see how vbox would affect xen
21:28<avu>you're trying to run the xen hypervisor inside another virtualization solution? :)
21:28<diamondice>its running in a vbox
21:28<petemc>oh
21:28<diamondice>lol yeah
21:28<avu>I know that at least with vmware, that doesn't work
21:28<diamondice>i'm jst trying to do a test env
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21:28<diamondice>sounds like i need to put it on an actual box
21:28<petemc>i thought you were rather quick rebooting
21:29<diamondice>haha
21:29<diamondice>does xen work on ppc by any chance?
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21:29*diamondice has an old mac g4 cube
21:29<avu>no
21:29<diamondice>nothing wants to work for me
21:29*diamondice slashes wrists
21:29<avu>well, or better 'not really' :)
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21:30<avu>meaning it does work on ppc but not on any build/sold by apple
21:31<diamondice>was planning on putting lenny on the g4 and then xen
21:31<avu>again: no xen on any apple-built ppc
21:32<diamondice>*sigh*
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21:32<diamondice>cause i dont really want to put it on the machine i was planning to put it on
21:32<diamondice>until after i figure out i can really get it working
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21:33<petemc>you can rest assured it works
21:33<diamondice>do you guys use dom0 for anything at all?
21:33<avu>which reminds me. I have to upgrade my xen boxen to lenny in the near future :(
21:33<diamondice>or would a domU be your gui env?
21:33<mimiloon>hi everybody, can anybody help me please? i have a problem with my sound card; i can hear the sound from the speakers and the headphone but when i'm using the headphones, the sound is still coming from the big speakers. i'm using debian 5.0.
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21:33<avu>I'd never use xen on a desktop machine..
21:33<petemc>nor i
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21:34<diamondice>ya i wasn't going to either...jst wondered if i could
21:34<avu>mimiloon, with some soundcards, you have to manually {dis,en}able certain outputs. check alsamixer
21:34<diamondice>http://lwn.net/images/xen/xen_screenshot2.jpg
21:35<mimiloon>avu: it's website???
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21:35<avu>mimiloon, no, it's a tool
21:35<avu>mimiloon, a mixer. for alsa. :-)
21:36<mimiloon>avu
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21:36<mimiloon>avu: i've tried enabling and disabling some features but still no luck
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21:37<diamondice>so how slow does xen run on a machine without VT?
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21:37<avu>mimiloon, so alsamixer doesn't have switches for your outputs?
21:37<petemc>diamondice: in some cases, paravirt is faster than native
21:37<diamondice>i'm doin this on a pretty ridiculous budget machine, cellery 2.6ghz 2gb ram
21:38<mimiloon>avu: i'm not sure because i'm new to linux
21:38<avu>mimiloon, well, start alsamixer and look..
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21:39<mimiloon>avu: i've tried all the tools by enabling and disabling them and no luck
21:39<mimiloon>in alsamixer
21:40<avu>mimiloon, is this by any chance a snd-intel-hda variant?
21:40<avu>mimiloon, if so, maybe the driver didn't detect the right model for your machine, I've seen that several times
21:40<diamondice>petemc: yeah i presume the paravirt is fast, but what about cpu's that are rather old...cpu's that do not support the virtualization instruction sets
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21:41<mimiloon>avu: it's HDA Intel
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21:41<avu>mimiloon, well then look around for specific models to use. (the module takes a module argument)
21:42<avu>erm
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21:42<avu>mimiloon, the module takes a module argument :-)
21:42<avu>ok, I should go to bed
21:42<avu>model!
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21:42<mimiloon>avu: thanks for the info
21:43<mimiloon>avu: i'll see what i can do
21:43<mimiloon>:(
21:43<avu>mimiloon, start by searching for people asking for help or blogging about the same laptop model you have
21:44<mimiloon>avu: i'll do that
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22:11<LS>IDENTIFY
22:11<abrotman>ABROTMAN
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22:11<knucklehead>Hello Room Full of People... Synaptic package manager has been unable to resolve a miss-installed "Netatalk" package. I dont recall choosing to install it yet I have selected all other options including forcing the version to lennny 1, forcing the version as it is so it can finish all other upgrades and installs , complete removal...etc an so on...it is not broken...it just isnt really there.. error msg.."E: /var/cache/apt/ar
22:11<knucklehead>chives/netatalk_2.0.3-11+lenny1_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1"
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22:12<abrotman>knucklehead: are your sources pointing at stable?
22:12<knucklehead>can someone walk me through the mannual fix
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22:13<knucklehead>it was installed as testig andrepositories are most likely testing
22:13<abrotman>knucklehead: if you do `apt-cache policy netatalk` .. what are the Candidate and Installed lines ?
22:13<abrotman>knucklehead: then put your source.slist in a pastebin
22:13<abrotman>sources.list
22:14<knucklehead>Pastebin?
22:14<abrotman>paste.debian.net
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22:17<knucklehead> 2.0.3-11+lenny1
22:17<knucklehead> Version table:
22:17<knucklehead> 2.0.3-11+lenny1 0
22:17<knucklehead> 500 ftp://http.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages
22:17<knucklehead> 500 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages
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22:21<johnfg>hi folks
22:22<johnfg>what's the command to force the update of the date/time through ntp?
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22:28<knucklehead>wow I got the boot for cutting and pasting... excuse me
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22:29<abrotman>i said paste.debian.net
22:29<ml>!paste
22:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:30<dr|z3d>knucklehead: It's almost invariably considered bad manners to paste more than a couple of lines into a channel. For future reference.
22:30<dr|z3d>Your nickname is no excuse :)
22:31<knucklehead>I hope i didnt miss any pertinent input... I'll just type it in from now on
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22:33<knucklehead>SO! paste.debian.net... Means exactly what and where ,how
22:33<abrotman>it's a website
22:33<dr|z3d>Browse to that site, paste your content *there* and then paste the resulting url *here*.
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22:34<knucklehead>Well Doc you should have to put up with me in person
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22:36<abrotman>oh .. an invitation
22:36<knucklehead>lol
22:37<dr|z3d>I think I'll pass, thanks all the same, knucklehead :)
22:37<ml>I can't get mutt to login to gmail
22:37<ml>here is my muttrc ... http://paste.debian.net/plain/30743
22:37<abrotman>ml: you also have to tell gmail to get you in that way
22:38<ml>I do huh?
22:38<ml>a seeting in my account
22:38<abrotman>pretty sure you have to turn on the IMAP access
22:38<ml>ok thanks looking into it
22:38<dr|z3d>Yup, IMAP access is off by default.
22:39<abrotman>ml: Settings->POP/IMAP
22:39<ml>heh I knew I had it set
22:40<ml>it's not that
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22:40<ml>I can't figure it out change my pasword, maybe a setting in muttrc
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22:41<ml>but have look it over for while maybe someone can find my error
22:41<ml>*I
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22:43<ml>all I get is login failed
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22:54<knucklehead>Oh... OK , ah. Do I need "netatalk" ? did it become a standard pkg
22:54<knucklehead>http://paste.debian.net/30744
22:55<n3cro>i have a web server with 3 virtual hosts in it. i have configured the sites-enabled and sites-available and i can view the page locally but i can't view them on public web.
22:55<knucklehead>How do I manualy fix this pkg
22:55<dr|z3d>n3cro: Have you port forwarded on the router to the webserver?
22:56<n3cro>dr|z3d: the other pages hosted on the web server can be viewed from web but the last webpage i posted can't be viewed
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22:57<n3cro>i followed all tutorials but still i can't view them
22:57<n3cro>:(
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22:57<dr|z3d>n3cro: Sounds like a question for #apache on freenode.
22:58<kapil>n3cro: did you ask apache to reload its config files?
22:58<n3cro>yes
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22:58<n3cro>i did that already
22:59<n3cro>not unless restarting apache will not reload new config file
22:59<n3cro>?
22:59<kapil>did you check the logs (/var/log/apache2/*log) for errors?
23:01<dr|z3d>Restarting apache does indeed reload the config.
23:01<kapil>another thing to do is to enable various server-info server-stats urls in apache2 (with allow only for localhost) to see if the configuration that apache is running matches what you meant it to run.
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23:04<n3cro>tried tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
23:05<n3cro>[Tue Mar 17 11:36:18 2009] [error] [client 65.55.231.92] File does not exist: /var/www/lingap/robots.txt
23:05<n3cro>this is what it shows me
23:05<n3cro>any idea?
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23:11<knucklehead>abrotman, heres that source.list you asked for an hour ago.. http://paste.debian.net/30745
23:15<johnfg>I've got flash installed, but epiphany doesn't think so. Do I have to get a special plugin for it?
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23:48<cwhuang>Is there a bug in grep
23:49<knucklehead>three women were talking. the 1st "my hsband is a florist.healways brings me flowers before we make love....2nd "my hsband is a jeweler . he brings me trinkets to bed....3rd "well my hsband works for microsoft he just sits on the foot board telling me how good its going to be when i finally get it.
23:49<cwhuang>a bug in grep of lenny version?
23:49<cwhuang>1 5 bin svn
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23:51<ml>cwhuang: paste
23:51<ml>!paste
23:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:53<cwhuang>$ ls
23:53<cwhuang>1 5 bin svn
23:53<cwhuang>$ ls|grep [0123456789]
23:53<cwhuang>$ echo $?
23:53<cwhuang>1
23:53<cwhuang>ls |grep [[:digit:]]
23:54<cwhuang>$ echo $?
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23:54<cwhuang>1
23:54<cwhuang>what's wrong?
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23:58<ml>dpkg: tell cwhuang -about paste
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