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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-19

---Logopened Thu Mar 19 00:00:28 2009
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00:18<idcsea>About XEN: i run #xm create -c /etc/myconfig ,get error: device vif can`t connnected,hotplug scripts not working. so i check #if -a
00:19<idcsea> get four items :eth0 ,eth1 ,peth0 ,lo
00:20<idcsea>too few ,right? it should have something like vir or xenbr0
00:20<idcsea>and i run # brctl show
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00:22<idcsea>hi ,any suggestion??
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00:38<metallicatony>Hello
00:39<Supaplex>greetage
00:40<sangeetha>hi all
00:40<sangeetha>how to add animation in splashy
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00:42<metallicatony>Im looking for some help in Debian Bug tracking system. Can anybody of some help to me?
00:42-!-bot_r0nin [~ryan@host-67-32-226-52.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
00:43<chealer>k1lumin4t1: which Debian suite do you use?
00:43<k1lumin4t1>chealer, Debian Testing
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00:44<bot_r0nin>Hey I got this oldddd compaq presariso, when I boot to install debian lenny the keyboard does not work any advice?
00:45<bot_r0nin>it works when the box is booting becase I can get into the bios but then dies once the cd is loaded
00:46<chealer>k1lumin4t1: you can downgrade it, yes. http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/2009/03/msg00018.html tells you what was the previous version.
00:47<chealer>!tell metallicatony about ask
00:47<meshuggah>hi there
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00:48<meshuggah>hello chealer, my friend :)
00:50<chealer>greetings meshuggah, king of the broad-minded
00:50<meshuggah>lol
00:50<meshuggah>you are :P
00:50<k1lumin4t1>meshuggah (the band) stinks
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00:52<meshuggah>meshuggah(the name) rules
00:52-!-ericbatista [~ericbatis@190.166.136.186] has joined #debian
00:52<meshuggah>meshuggah(the band) isnt bad
00:52<meshuggah>!dpkg tell messhugah off-topic
00:52<meshuggah>fuck
00:53<ericbatista>hi.. some body help me on ubuntu problem
00:53<meshuggah>lol
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00:53<meshuggah>ericbatista, yes we are there for that
00:53<ericbatista>thx
00:53<ericbatista>i have problem with my via integrate card
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00:54<jrabbit>Can ubuntu just be a kickword?
00:54<ericbatista>a have a motherboard p4m800 m7 a
00:54<meshuggah>lol
00:54<chealer>!tell ericbatista about ubuntu
00:54<meshuggah>Eric, seriously you should go to freenode
00:54<meshuggah>on #ubuntu
00:54<meshuggah>there are 1300 people there who can help you
00:54<meshuggah>people here are in war agaisnt ubuntu
00:55<bot_r0nin>im not...
00:55<ericbatista>ok men
00:55<ericbatista>in not use debian
00:55<ericbatista>but im use linux
00:55<ericbatista>or i try
00:55<ericbatista>thx
00:55<ericbatista>bye
00:55<meshuggah>bye
00:56<bot_r0nin>goodjob turn hem away from linux alltogather why dont you
00:56<meshuggah>this channel is there for that
00:56<meshuggah>and yes i find that stupid
00:56<meshuggah>debian and ubuntu are nearly the same fucking things
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00:58<meshuggah>only saying i asked in #ubuntu for my debian problem, got me flamed here yesterday by my good friend
00:58<ericbatista>ok debian ppl
00:58<ericbatista>chau
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00:58<bot_r0nin>anyone know why my keyboard dosen't work once lenny is about to install?
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00:59<meshuggah>is it usb or something?
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00:59<bot_r0nin>yea its usb
01:00<meshuggah>probably that
01:00<meshuggah>maybe, but i am still a newbie ..
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01:00<Supaplex>try setting the bios to leagcy usb support for input devices.
01:01<Supaplex>I thought usb worked fine...
01:01<bot_r0nin>ive got a ps/2 adapter but that didn't work
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01:01<bot_r0nin>i didn't see leagecy usb support in the bios
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01:11<meshuggah>ééé
01:11<meshuggah>fucking keyboard
01:12<chealer>meshuggah: please watch your language
01:12<meshuggah>lol
01:12<bot_r0nin>ouch my vergin ears
01:12<meshuggah>sorry for my é
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01:14<bot_r0nin>maybe dumbkbd with work
01:15<meshuggah>chealer, what are you doing?
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01:16<chealer>meshuggah: an economy test...why?
01:17<meshuggah>chealer, i am only curious
01:17<meshuggah>chealer, you are in university?
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01:18<chealer>meshuggah: yes, I'm studying at université Laval
01:18<meshuggah>in Quebec?
01:18<meshuggah>at Quebec in Quebec, i mean
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01:19<meshuggah>so you speak french
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01:20<chealer>meshuggah: yes
01:21<meshuggah>I stopped school after 1 years of informatique appliquée in UQAC(chicoutimi)
01:21<meshuggah>borred from school
01:21<meshuggah>i should have continued
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01:27<meshuggah>how can i change the mapping of my keyboard
01:28<meshuggah>i put it in US, but it is not
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01:28<meshuggah>i always have a lot of problem to change mapping
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01:31<bot_r0nin> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup?
01:32<meshuggah>i want to be able to change it often
01:32<meshuggah>some time i want it to be french , sometime i want it to be us
01:32<bot_r0nin>magic pixie dust?
01:32<meshuggah>what?
01:32<meshuggah>it is not a rpg
01:32<bot_r0nin>life is a rpg
01:32<meshuggah>yes
01:33<bot_r0nin>lol
01:33<meshuggah>i would like to be able to save
01:33<meshuggah>and load
01:34<meshuggah>imagine it, you save your life, you steal a big yellow TONKA, you go in the mainstreet destorying a few hundred of cars, and when the cops arrive you load your life
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01:36<S3v3N>Hello. How to configure oidentd that it will use idents from psybnc not user in debian as a ident? Thanks.
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01:43<meshuggah>S3v3N, no savere
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01:46<meshuggah>chealer, what will you do after your university? will you open a business?
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01:50<chealer>meshuggah: no, I'll try jobs. but that's offtopic.
01:50<chealer>meshuggah: which desktop environment do you use?
01:51<meshuggah>chealer, gnome
01:51<meshuggah>is it that the desktop environment?
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01:51<meshuggah>i am using lenny 5.0 lenny exclusevly on my computer
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01:51<chealer>meshuggah: yes (but I don't know GNOME)
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01:52<S3v3N>meshuggah what does that mean?
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01:52<meshuggah>chealer, do u need help?
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01:52<meshuggah>S3v3N, i dont know
01:52<S3v3N>Hello. How to configure oidentd that it will use idents from psybnc not user in debian as a ident? Thanks.
01:52<S3v3N>do you know maybe? ^^
01:53<meshuggah>i dont know what is oidentd nor psybnc
01:53<meshuggah>and i am not even sure what is the utility of ident
01:53<meshuggah>i know i put one when i was using mirc when i had winshit
01:53<S3v3N>oh ok :>
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01:54<meshuggah>i know i changed it when i was banned in some channel
01:55<meshuggah>to re-enter(some time) this channel
01:55<S3v3N>can you tell me how i check computer specifications when im logged as root?
01:55<meshuggah>hum
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01:55<meshuggah>wait
01:55<S3v3N>ok :>
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01:55<meshuggah>i did it some weeks ago
01:55<meshuggah>maybe it is still in the log
01:55<meshuggah>it was a command line
01:55<meshuggah>to know everything
01:55<S3v3N>ok
01:56<meshuggah>no it is too far
01:56<S3v3N>ok np
01:57<meshuggah>but it was very informative
01:57<meshuggah>i was wanting to know what kind of rambus ram i had
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01:57<meshuggah>i am newbie, i am sure you guessed it
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01:57<S3v3N>then we are 2 :D
01:57<S3v3N>im newbie too :D
01:57<S3v3N>lol i have rambus ram also
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01:58<S3v3N>thats not the normal ram right not like ddr or sdram
01:58<meshuggah>you can see some with : dmidecode
01:59<meshuggah>no and i hate them
01:59<meshuggah>i only has 256mb ram
01:59<meshuggah>and want to find some, but it is hard to do
01:59<meshuggah>dmidecode was 1 of the 2 things i used to see specs
01:59<meshuggah>but the other was more precise
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02:00<S3v3N>i have 512 ram of them 2x 256
02:00<meshuggah>it is better
02:00<S3v3N>i think kingston is the firm of ram
02:00<meshuggah>it is good
02:01<meshuggah>did dmidecode helped you?
02:01<S3v3N>im looking now
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02:03<copper>hello
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02:03<meshuggah>hello copper
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02:04<copper>it's been awhile since i've used debian, can i ask questions in here?
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02:06<meshuggah>we are there for that my friend
02:07<self_slaughter>hey, quick question... i tried to add extra resolutions into my xorg.conf so i could run my dosbox games fullscreen, but it seems to make most of my fonts go smaller... conky, menu etc... any ideas how to fix?
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02:08<copper>Alright, here goes! I have a few.
02:09<copper>1. I installed squeeze on a desktop machine today and one of the first things I noticed there is no logger running to the left of tty1 where I can look at system messages.
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02:09<meshuggah>sorry
02:09<copper>it's kind of always been there in every distro i've used, so i guess i don't really know how to get it there since it's not.
02:09<meshuggah>i will like to help you, but i am a newbie, and dont know the answer
02:09<jm_>in every distro? definitely not
02:10<copper>i said in every distry i've used.
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02:10<jm_>must have not been debian then, or redhat
02:10<copper>i don't know how to set it up because i've never had to. heh
02:10<copper>it is on my laptop, which is running lenny.
02:11<tcsetattr>I'm looking at the phrase "to the left of tty1" and I'm baffled.
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02:11<jm_>you can tell syslog to output to a tty, then there's kernel setting for printk levels and console= kernel option
02:11<copper>yes. from tty1, push alt+left
02:11<jm_>copper: try passing console=tty8 to kernel
02:11<tcsetattr>oh, alt+left will take you to the highest active tty.
02:12<tcsetattr>it's not to the left, it's wrapped around all the way to the right :)
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02:12<jm_>or rather tty6
02:12<jm_>since that's the highest active tty by default
02:12<copper>lol. yeah. well, whichever it is, that's the only way i know of getting to it.
02:12<tcsetattr>or you could just run tail -f /var/log/whatever > /dev/tty63
02:12<tcsetattr>--follow=name to keep it going in the long term
02:12<jm_>but to get all the logs you need to adjust syslog config
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02:13<tcsetattr>alt+left and alt+right just take you to the previous/next console. alt+right from tty1 gets you to tty2, then fromt here to tty3, etc. when you get to the end it wraps around.
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02:14<tcsetattr>it stops dead when you hit an X server though because X takes over the keyboard and only responds to ctrl+alt+Fn
02:14<copper>exactly.
02:14<jm_>I don't know why, but after full upgrade to lenny and restart, pysol is way faster than after my uptime was 4 months
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02:14<S3v3N>Hello. How to configure oidentd that it will use idents from psybnc not user in debian as a ident? Thanks.
02:14<copper>thanks jm_ and tcsetattr , i will try those things.
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02:18<simonrvn>jm_: i see weird things like that sometimes. odd innit. and hello :)
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02:21<self_slaughter>anyone got any ideas why when i edit my xorg.conf (which is basically empty normal) and add a modes subsection under screen with some lower resolutions added it makes all my fonts go smaller? is there something else i need to add?
02:22<jm_>simonrvn: yes heh, it's even more pronounced if you reboot seldom like me
02:22<jm_>self_slaughter: your DPI changes
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02:23<jm_>self_slaughter: ohh do you mean they get smaller even if you just mention the mode, and not make it default?
02:24<self_slaughter>yeah i'm still running the same resolution as before (1024x768) but by just mentioning a mode (which there normally isn't any) it makes the fonts shrink
02:24<self_slaughter>everything else is fine
02:24<jm_>compare DPI for both
02:24<self_slaughter>how do i work out the dpi?
02:25<jm_>xdpyinfo lists it, or it can be in your x server log
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02:27<self_slaughter>ahh ok cheers, i think im on the right track now.. thanks for the help
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02:45<tenzind>so when lenny becomes stable, etch becomes oldstable?? old-stable?? or?
02:46<jrabbit>Lenny is stable.
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02:46<tenzind>jrabbit, what do we call etch now?
02:47<jrabbit>i donno
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02:47<jm_>from Debian mirror: lrwxrwxrwx 1 admin users 4 Feb 14 23:11 oldstable -> etch
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02:50<fgh>then what is potato?
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02:50<fgh>veryoldstable ?
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02:51<jm_>wtf? do you even know when potate became oldstable?
02:51<tenzind>actually, i keep a local debian repo using http://alioth.debian.org/~fjp/debmirror/mirror-sync script. Since I want to keep "etch, lenny, squeeze, sid" i didnt know what SUITES will be .... "oldstable, stable, testing, unstable???
02:51<fgh>98 maybe
02:51<adb>2001 ?
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03:12<llutz>hi
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03:24<lemachet>hello.. i wonder if you folk can help me. I have a server that presently has both Virtual SErver 2005 and VMware server installed.I have a debian virutal guest installed on VIrtual Server 2005, but I want to move it across to VMware server. I've managed to convert the vhd image, that's no big deal
03:25<lemachet>but now when i try and boot the image, it's failing and saying cnanot mount root partition
03:25<lemachet>I suspect it is because vs05 used IDE devices, and now VMware is using scsi devices
03:25<lemachet>my kernel doesn't seem to include scsi drivers by default.
03:25<lemachet>is there any way I could get a kernel package installed to sort this out /
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03:27<jm_>does it drop you to a shell?
03:27<lemachet>nope
03:27<llutz>lemachet: try UUIDs instead of /dev/hdXY notation und fstab/grub
03:27<jm_>must be some old debian release then
03:27<lemachet>yea, it's kinda old
03:27<llutz>s/und/in/
03:27<lemachet>i thnk it's like 3.0r1 or something
03:27<jm_>yeah switch to UUID-s and let's assume it has all block drivers available
03:27<jm_>you should definitely upgrade that
03:28<lemachet>need to be able to boot the fukr to upgrade it i guess :P
03:28<llutz>lemachet: use grub-shell
03:28<jm_>just use a rescue CD to fix the booting first
03:28<joss>anyone knows if debian includes Module.symvers for it's prebuilt kernels as well?
03:28<lemachet>i've got debian 5 netinst disk
03:28<lemachet>i think it is
03:28<jm_>yeah that will work
03:28<lemachet>k hold on a minute
03:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 380] by debhelper
03:30<tcsetattr>joss: http://packages.debian.org/file:Module.symvers
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03:31<lemachet>rescue mode ?
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03:31<jm_>doesn't matter, either that or boot it and switch to tty2 and work from there
03:31<joss>tcsetattr: thanx
03:31<jm_>if rescue mode works so much better
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03:32<lemachet>loading additional components..
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03:33<lemachet>the installer tells me it cannot find partitions, but i can see them in fdisk
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03:34<jm_>just switch to tty2, mount it, chroot into it and fix stuff
03:34<lemachet>or just do a dist-upgrade maybe
03:35<jm_>you can do that from chroot - but you need to go 3 -> 4 -> 5
03:35<jm_>and read release notes for each to learn about the way to do it
03:35<lemachet>heh.. can't go straight from 3 -> 5 huh ? :P awesome :p
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03:36<jm_>well it's doable with manual intervention, but in general you're bound to run into problem
03:36<jm_>s
03:36<lemachet>hmmm
03:37<lemachet>so i need a scsi kernel package frm the 3.0r1 era
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03:38<jm_>no, the kernel you have installed is OK, just configuration etc. needs changing
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03:40<lemachet>alright.. edited grub.lst and changed root=/dev/sda1 ro and then fstab and changed /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1
03:41<jm_>also make sure your initrd includes the right drivers
03:41<lemachet>same thing.. loads the ide drivers, finds the cdrom, then /sbn/init/ 42 cannot open dev/console kernel panic attempted to kill init
03:42<lemachet>only way to do that would be a reboot, right ?
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03:42<jm_>I don't understand this last question
03:42<lemachet>as far as I was aware, my initrd was provided as a package ? idon't tihnk i did a custom build
03:43<jm_>ahh no, it's built when the kernel is installed - you can also rebuild that in chroot
03:43<lemachet>kk.. let's see what i can find.. :)
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03:44<jm_>update-initrd, update-initramfs or dpkg-reconfigure your linux/kernel image does the job
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03:44<jm_>now I don't remember for 3.0 - check initrd tool config and make sure it includes most modules
03:45<debam>hi to all,while compiling verifinger i am getting error as linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h is not file or directory
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03:50<jm_>devfs was removed in 2.6.18
03:51<lemachet>woooo.. plus one for learning something today :)
03:51<debam>jm_ but then how can be compiled this application on higher than 2.6.18 kernel
03:51<lemachet>maybe.. :)
03:51<jm_>debam: I wouldn't know, what does it do?
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03:53<lemachet>right.. now i've got the kernel booting further.. but it's still giving me the init error. I suspect this is an fstab error.. so i'll come back to it shortly
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03:55<jm_>the problem with the "can't mount rootfs" panic is you can't scroll back to figur eout which drivers were loaded, or if disks were recognized etc. - but one can use other tricks, like serial/net console, or high resolution FB modes with a tiny font
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03:57<flapper>有人聊天没?
03:57<jm_>!tell flapper -about cn
03:57<flapper>刚刚来LINUX
03:58<dli__>flapper, this is an English only channel
03:58<flapper>oh
03:58<dli__>jm_, please join #debian-cn
03:58<flapper>but i just can speak chinese
03:58<lemachet>disk was definitely recognised :)
03:58<dli__>flapper, /j #debian-cn
03:58<flapper>ok
03:58<flapper>thank u
03:59<dli__>jm_, #debian-cn is empty, that's why
04:00<jm_>dli__: any other channel to teach dpkg about?
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04:00<flapper_>could i sperk chinese ?
04:01<flapper_>speak chinese ?
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04:02<davetaylor>is there a clever, aptitudinal way in lenny to remove packages that depended on something that you've uninstalled and therefore no longer need? i'm keen to keep my install simple.
04:02<dli__>jm_, I have no idea:(
04:02<lemachet>dude
04:02<lemachet>you're a champ
04:02<davetaylor>sorry, i said that wrong
04:02<davetaylor>what i meant to say is this
04:03<k1lumin4t1>libfmodex in debian
04:03<k1lumin4t1>?
04:03<davetaylor>is there a clever, aptititudinal way in lenny to remove packages that *were dependencies* of something that you've uninstalled and therefore no longer need?
04:03<jm_>davetaylor: aptitude/apt-get do that themselves when you remove the package and if nothing else depends on them
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04:04<lemachet>now to remember what I did.. boot off a rescue disk. mount the drive. chroot. mount proc. dkpg-reconfigure linux-kernel-2.6.8-3-386. edit fstab. edit grub and ensure root is sda1. boot. done.
04:04<lemachet>Awesome.
04:04<davetaylor>jm, don't think so. i added mailman, it required exim4, but i didn't see it remove exim4 after i removed mailman.
04:04<k1lumin4t1>davetaylor, maybe some other things require exim4
04:04<jm_>davetaylor: how did you remove mailman?
04:05<davetaylor>jm, using aptitude
04:05<jm_>davetaylor: and verify that nothing else depends on it
04:05<davetaylor>i didn't install anything after mailman?
04:05<davetaylor>therefore nothing else should depend on it?
04:05<jm_>let's not assume things
04:05<dli__>davetaylor, I also used deborphan to check more
04:06<davetaylor>woo, i like that sound of that dli
04:06<davetaylor>ty
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04:07<jm_>or maybe it doesn't remove it because something else recommends it - I have that disabled and removing stuff properly gets rid of packages marked auto
04:07<llutz>davetaylor: "apt-cache rdepends <package>" to check what might depend on <package>
04:08<davetaylor>oh dear. i think i see the issue.
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04:09<jm_>or maybe it removed it but it'sjust in state rc
04:09<davetaylor>mailman depended on exim4, and now exim4 has apparently displaced whatever the default mail proggy was, and everything depends on email
04:09<jm_>mail-transport-agent yes
04:09<jm_>so they don't clash
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04:09<jm_>actually mailman is OK with that
04:09<jm_>it depends on exim4 or that
04:10<davetaylor>mailman is removed
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04:11<davetaylor>this is already sounding like more work than my tiny little brain is capable of. i'll just stumble forward until exim gets in my way then replace it w/ what i need.
04:11<jm_>so if you had it installed before it wouldn't install exim4, or if you had, it didn't properly specify 'provides'
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04:12<davetaylor>we're getting into "greek to me" territory fast.
04:12<davetaylor>but i appreciate the feedback
04:12<davetaylor>i think i kinda pseudo grok your point
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04:12<jm_>ok, doesn't really matter - I am just saying I never noticed aptitude failing in this department
04:12<jm_>(which doesn't mean it can't obviously)
04:13<davetaylor>well, fwiw, i don't know debian from a hole in the ground, just clueful enuf to be dangerous, but i am a clueful coder in general, and it doesn't strike me as proper behavior to leave something in there that a package depended on if you've removed that package and you hadn't installed anything afterwards that depended on it. just my $0.02
04:14<jm_>yeah, not sure, could be recommends - 'aptitude why exim4' will tell you why it's installed
04:15<davetaylor>"cron recommends exim4"
04:16<davetaylor>"corn recommends exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent"
04:16<davetaylor>cron i mean
04:16<jm_>heh I wasn't even off with the recommends idea then
04:16<davetaylor>so i could remove it an a mail transport agent would remain?
04:17<jm_>yes (if with "it" you mean mailman)
04:17<davetaylor>it=exim4
04:17<davetaylor>s/an/and
04:17<jm_>ahh no, you can remove exim4 but then you won't have anything that provides m-t-a
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04:17<davetaylor>gotcha
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04:18<davetaylor>ty, i feel properly schooled
04:18<jm_>no worries
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04:19<davetaylor>i'm a game industry guy, indie producer/designer, know everybody. if you need anything, ask.
04:19<davetaylor>ddt@davetaylor.name
04:19<jm_>haha funny, I just read a blog post from an indie developer an hour ago, about how much they made with some game
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04:22<davetaylor>god i like aptitude so much better than dselect
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04:23<jm_>I never liked its UI, I just use it from command line, although I have used it to play minsweeper a few times
04:24<davetaylor>beats the dselect ui, just feels a lot less fragile and mysterious
04:24<petern>abuse :D
04:24<jm_>sure, no question about that
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04:24*davetaylor bows
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04:31<davetaylor>sry for my repeated retardedness, but is there a dpkg cmd to list what packages a package depends on?
04:31<davetaylor>wait that doesn't matter, can look it up in aptitude
04:31<davetaylor>sry
04:31<jm_>you can use tools like grep-status or dpkg-awk
04:31<tcsetattr>... dpkg -s package | grep '^Depends:'
04:31<jm_>or aptitude search patterns
04:32<tcsetattr>or `apt-cache show package' if it's not installed yet
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04:33<davetaylor>i hate to be the putz who states the obvious, but i don't suppose it has occurred to someone that some consistency in interface style might make debian more approachable?
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04:34<llutz>apt-cache depends >package<
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04:34<bzhtux>hi all
04:34<davetaylor>ty guys
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04:38<davetaylor>so if i decide to be clever and grab source for something i have installed, muck with it, and then install that, is there some blessed debianish way to do this without confusing all of its dependency trees and things?
04:38<davetaylor>do i have to become a debian bad-ass to do this?
04:39<jm_>yes, get debian source, mess with it, build the debian package from it, install that
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04:39<jm_>!tell davetaylor about ssb
04:39<jm_>ignore the sid part if you're not after a newer version
04:40<davetaylor>!tell davetaylor about backports
04:40<jm_>!tell davetaylor -about selftell
04:41<davetaylor>ty *blush*
04:41<jm_>:)
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04:44<lemachet>!tell lemachet -about selftell
04:45<lemachet>heh :P nothing about me i guess
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04:53<davetaylor>damnit, this dpkg bot just explained to me everything i need to know. now what am i going to ask?
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04:58<davetaylor>jm_, should i go desperately retarded again, could i ping you via email?
04:59<jm_>davetaylor: naah, just ask here - there are always people who can help you
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05:19<convidado>Francisco de Sousa
05:19<convidado>convidado
05:19<convidado>bemvindo
05:19<convidado>ls
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05:21<Piet>hi
05:21<Piet>could someone help me with my grub2 setup?
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05:23<Piet>grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `md0p2cryptvg0-lv_slash'
05:23<Piet>Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed.
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05:26<lemachet>i learnt something about uuids before.. might need to regenerate your uuids ?
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05:27<Piet>lemachet: talking to me? how ywould i do that?
05:27<lemachet>uhm, hold on
05:27<lemachet>i think it's vol_id
05:27<Piet>and i don't know how this would help anyway, since i'm not referencing things via uuids
05:28<lemachet>i didn't say i'd be right.. :P
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05:28<Piet>md0p2cryptvg0-lv_slash is a logival volume containing an ext3 fs which is supposed to be /
05:29<lemachet>mass disk on a san volume ?
05:29<Piet>that lv is part of a vg which is formed of a pv that is formed of a crypto layered raid1
05:30<Piet>not exactly a simpe setup, but should be possible and not sooo uncommon
05:30<Piet>the disks are standard sda and sdb
05:31<lemachet>logical volume,, volume group,, what's a pv ?
05:31<lemachet>physical volume ?
05:31<Piet>physical volume
05:31<Piet>right
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05:31<Piet>lvm physical volume
05:31<lemachet>so you've got 2(or more) disks in a raid 1 array with some sort of crypto on it
05:31<Piet>so it's not really a physical volume such as a hdd you could touch
05:31<Piet>yes
05:32<lemachet>that youve then got a volume group
05:32<lemachet>and a logical volume
05:32<lemachet>is it san based ?
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05:32<Piet>sda and sdb form md0, which contains md0p1 which is /boot, and md0p2 which is all the other stuff and the crypto +lvm
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05:32<Piet>no san
05:33<lemachet>ok.. well.. i sort of understand what youre doing now.. even if I can'thelp you..
05:33<Piet>hehe
05:33<Piet>thats a pity
05:33<lemachet>sorry dude ;(
05:33<lemachet>but it defintely sounds cool
05:33<Piet>anyone else can?
05:33<lemachet>and it's hardware raid i guess ?
05:34<Piet>no, mdadm
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05:34<lemachet>which is a linux version of software raid i guess ? like i could do in windows disk management by converting disks to dynamic ?
05:35<Piet>i set that up before but on etch and i don't rcall having run into that error
05:36<davetaylor>er, is there a general consensus on which ident daemon one should install?
05:36<jm_>you created partitions inside md device?
05:36<davetaylor>there seem to be a billion options
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05:38<lemachet>gota go.. thanks so much for your help earlier jm
05:38<lemachet>sorry i coulnd't help you piet
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05:38<Piet>jm_: yes, is that problematic?
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05:38<Piet>from what i read, that is supposed to be possible with lenny?
05:39<jm_>Piet: it's unusual
05:39<Piet>jm_: would it be better to create two md's then?
05:39<koollman>davetaylor: I would say 'none'. isn't ident dead now ?
05:39<jm_>Piet: i would expect that to work yes
05:40<Piet>i guess that means... reinstall. doh
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05:41<Piet>but actually i'm not sure whether that's really the problem, though it can be
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05:41<davetaylor>koollman, i guess. fumbling around like a tard trying to create a user for postgresql, but when i do a "sudo createuser <username>", it complains that it can't connect: "createuser: could not connect to database postgres: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "root"
05:41<davetaylor>"
05:41<koollman>davetaylor: that's quite different
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05:41<davetaylor>koollman, any thots on the cure?
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05:42<koollman>davetaylor: su - postgres
05:42<koollman>then try again
05:42<koollman>by default root has no right to connect to postgresql
05:42<koollman>only the 'postgres' user can
05:42<koollman>then, read some documentation about pg_hba.conf ;)
05:42<jm_>and you can specify alternate auth options in the config file
05:43<davetaylor>ah, so i could just connect as postgres
05:43<koollman>the 'createuser' tool tries to connect to postgresql (by default with the username of the user, since you use sudo, the user is root)
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05:44<davetaylor>that fixed it
05:44<davetaylor>ty
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05:44<koollman>also, try to remember the 'xy problem' ... you had a postgresql auth problem. asking for an ident deamon hides that :)
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05:45<davetaylor>i have no problems anymore. i'm a problem free dude.
05:45<davetaylor>ty
05:46<petern>i commend your choice of sql server :)
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05:49<davetaylor>ty but i'm just trying to move a hairy server over to a new machine and am trying to copy everything i see there.
05:49<davetaylor>(to minimize headache)
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06:13<marcot>Hello, I'm having a strange problem with iptables. I have a server machine where I have connection to the internet via eth0, and I run: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE. I have two clients which connect to it, and can ping any address but can't download anything but very small files.
06:13<marcot>So, in the client, I can download http://marcot.iaaeee.org/index.html but I can't download http://marcot.iaaeee.org/marcot/index.html
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06:13<Demonicpagan>anyone by chance able to point me in the direction of a web site that can show me how to compile a debian 2.6.28 kernel via a live cd since i can't do it w/o one due to a botched debian etch to lenny from having an outdated kernel (2.6.8-3)
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06:17<themill>Demonicpagan: why not just install the 2.6.26 that's in lenny?
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06:17<jm_>marcot: check MTU settings
06:17<Demonicpagan>?
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06:19<davetaylor>i take it a v8.3 postgres can't restore from a v7.4 postgres dump?
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06:19<marcot>jm_: The MTU for eth0 is 576, and the one for wlan0 is 1500..
06:20<davetaylor>ah ha, nm
06:20<Demonicpagan>how would i go about doing that?
06:20<jm_>marcot: how do clients connect?
06:20<marcot>jm_: they connect to wlan0.
06:20<marcot>jm_: with mannual ip and route add default gw etc..
06:20<jm_>marcot: then drop it on wlan
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06:21<marcot>jm_: setting wlan0 mtu to 576 worked. thanks.
06:21<marcot>jm_: I've been on this for days. =)
06:21<jm_>marcot: no worries
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06:23<pixelpapst>marcot: the problem is that you probably use PPP-over-Ethernet with your DSL provider
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06:23<marcot>pixelpapst: Yes, I think I do.
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06:24<pixelpapst>so the MTU for IP packets on that path is smaller (1500 - pppoe header)
06:24<marcot>pixelpapst: I'm not sure cause the modem uses dhcp to connect with me, so I don't know what it uses to connect to the ISP.
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06:24<pixelpapst>usually the MTU should be auto-discovered on connection setup
06:24<themill>Demonicpagan: What's the current state of the box? I take it you're able to boot from the livecd but not from its own hard drive, right?
06:25<pixelpapst>but maybe you configured a firewall that's too restrictive
06:25<marcot>pixelpapst: yes, but I'm doing the connection by hand..
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06:25<pixelpapst>with connection setup i mean TCP connections
06:25<Demonicpagan>themill: yes kernel panic from own hdd from being to old of a kernel
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06:26<Demonicpagan>have finnix disc as live cd atm
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06:26<pixelpapst>whenever an app starts a TCP connection, TCP will try to generate the largest possible IP packets (1500 bytes) and send them out
06:27<pixelpapst>this gets too large when you add a PPPOE header, so your router sends an error packet back, and TCP knows to go smaller
06:28<herm>I have an issue with the update-notifier. When double clicking on the icon it I have a bunch of errors after the authentication procedure. I am in debian testing 2.6.26-1-686. thanks for our support
06:28<pixelpapst>but the firewall on your host discards this packet
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06:28<Demonicpagan>system is reading lenny installed, just don't have an updated kernel to boot system
06:28<themill>Demonicpagan: so there's a couple of options, if the rest of your lenny-ish system is happy just not the kernel, then the install cd's rescue mode may be all you need (/msg dpkg rescue mode). Alternatively, boot off the livecd, mount the hard drive read-write (say on /mnt/target) then chroot into that environment (chroot /mnt/target) and then hopefully your aptitude will be working and you'll be able to install a lenny kernel in the normal fashion.
06:28<pixelpapst>so the real fix is not to cap _all_ packets going over your wlan0 interface, but to fix the firewall
06:29<pixelpapst>also, if you reduce the MTU, just 20 bytes or so should be enough
06:29<pixelpapst>no need to cut the packets in thirds :)
06:29<Demonicpagan>using the rescue mode, will that reformat my hdd?
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06:30<Demonicpagan>i do have that disc, just was unsure that if i proceeded i'd lose what was on my drive
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06:30<themill>Demonicpagan: no. It's designed for rescuing systems not destroying them. BTW you may also need to fix up grub -- I have no idea what state your kernel is in, so you may want to follow "/msg dpkg grubchroot" too.
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06:31<themill>Demonicpagan: just make sure you read the instructions on how to use rescue mode -- you don't want to do anything that looks like the "partitioning" step of the installer.
06:31<Demonicpagan>numayeah: that's where i always backed out
06:31<Demonicpagan><nick complete> :\
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06:37<herm>Thanks for your help, I finally found my issue in a bug report. It has been corrected in unstable.
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06:40<igor>Can I am wriite on russian?
06:40<jm_>!tell igor -about ru
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06:42<baru>hello.... i have a question
06:42<baru>what is the best server mail?
06:42<petemc>there is no best
06:42<baru>postfix?
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06:42<petemc>postfix and exim are popular mtas
06:43<petemc>they both have their strengths
06:43<petemc>and weaknesses..
06:43<baru>for a newbie?
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06:43<petemc>postfix can have the appearance of being easier
06:44<baru>thanks a lot... i'll try it
06:44<baru>bye bye...
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06:45<Demonicpagan>can't get anything off apt because my interface isn't getting a net connection
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06:45<Guest736>hello
06:45<Demonicpagan>only way i get a net connection is by not being chrooted
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06:46<Guest736>I'm running debian live
06:46<Guest736>How can I mount my ext3 partition?
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06:46<petemc>mount /dev/foo /mnt/foo
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06:47<ubd>how can i add unstable repos to debian
06:47<ubd>to synaptic
06:48<Guest736>petemc: how can I get to know which device I want mounted?
06:48<petemc>Guest736: dmesg|grep sd
06:49<jm_>also cat /proc/partitions
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06:49<petemc>assuming dmesg isnt overwritten
06:49<petemc>or that, or hwinfo
06:50<Guest736>petemc: it's sda2 ;)
06:50<petemc>fantastic then
06:50*jm_ grins
06:51<Guest736>mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ -t ext3 worked ok
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06:51<Guest736>rw permisions
06:51<marcot>pixelpapst: but how can I tell the firewall not to discard these packages?
06:52<igor>I have ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 7500 (M7 LW)" and debian 5 uncompatable?
06:52<pixelpapst>marcot, how did you set up your host firewall ? iptables scripts ? a GUI tool ?
06:53<jm_>marcot: tcpmss target, --clamp-mss-to-pmtu
06:53<marcot>pixelpapst: I've just done iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
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06:54<jm_>igor: man radeon says it's supported
06:54<lvdz_>hu
06:54<lvdz_>hi
06:54<marcot>jm_: what package provide tcpmss?
06:54<jm_>marcot: it's iptables target, so iptables does
06:55<pixelpapst>hmmm... should work, in general
06:55<jm_>(and kernel)
06:55<pixelpapst>that's on the router or the host tha has problems ?
06:55<marcot>jm_: I thought it was a command...
06:55<marcot>pixelpapst: I don't know, I think it can be on the router.
06:55<jm_>marcot: naah, read iptables tutorial/man page
06:56<marcot>pixelpapst: with MTU 1480 I got the same problem.
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06:59<pixelpapst>how about 1450 ?
06:59<pixelpapst>or 1472 ?
06:59<pixelpapst>don't quite remember sizeof(pppoe_header)
07:01<marcot>pixelpapst: I think I'll just use 576. I tried some here, and none is working.
07:02<davetaylor>my god. all this authorization crap in db's is a nightmare.
07:02<pixelpapst>ok, but then don't complain about bad performance :)
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07:02<igor>on default, after installation, system don`t loading, after whan I written device "vesa" system booting. Can help me?
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07:03<Demonicpagan>using debian rescue mode, how would i go about editing files, every time i type nano /etc/network/interfaces it returns: Error opening terminal: bterm.
07:03<jm_>igor: you need to check your x logfile when driver is set to ati -- /var/log/Xorg.0.log
07:03<davetaylor>was hoping i could just dump my db with -O and then restore it under a new user or "role" or w/e the hell they want to call it, but no, it can't use "language c".
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07:04<jm_>davetaylor: it's complaining about locales?
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07:04<davetaylor>about all kinds of crap
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07:04<davetaylor>"permission denied for language c"
07:04<jm_>wt
07:04<davetaylor>permission denied to set sesson authorization
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07:05<davetaylor>no privileges could be revoked for public
07:05<Guest736>How to install *.deb along with missing dependencies?
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07:05<jm_>Guest310: download it all and run dpkg -i *.deb
07:05<davetaylor>function tsvector_in(cstring) does not exist
07:06<davetaylor>how do peeps migrate db's from one linux box to another if they don't own all the db's, so they can't do a dumpall?
07:07<themill>Guest736: we have things like aptitude for that...
07:07<jm_>i use pg_dump -c -d DB
07:07<Guest736>jm_ so there's on an automated way*
07:07<Guest736>no*
07:07<jm_>Guest736: no, see what themill told you
07:07<Guest736>themill, ok I'll try.
07:07<davetaylor>what does that -c/clean option do?
07:08<themill>Guest736: you can use gdebi, but the chances are, if you don't know how to solve this problem already, you shouldn't be trying to install a .deb using dpkg.
07:08<jm_>output commands to clean the DB first
07:08<davetaylor>and then you use psql db < dump to reload it elsewhere?
07:08<jm_>indeed
07:08<Guest736>themill: I'm on ubuntu for 1,5yr now, I'll sort it out.
07:09<davetaylor>so cleaning it doesn't fuck w/ its normal operating state?
07:09<davetaylor>like it'll continue to function and be happy?
07:09<igor>if I writte to "ati", I can't to load X org. Only single mode.
07:10<themill>Guest736: generally people ask these sorts of questions when they're trying to install packages that aren't designed for their system, such as trying to install an ubuntu package on their debian box. That's doomed to failure and not recommended.
07:10<jm_>yeah that's meant - it prints commands to clean the db, and then print commands to create db and populate it - as in, clean it on the system where you are restoring, not where you are backing it up
07:10<davetaylor>ah
07:10<davetaylor>so taht won't solve these probs
07:10<jm_>igor: computer crashes or what? please prefix messages for me with jm_
07:10<jm_>why not?
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07:11<davetaylor>because the db i'm restoring it to is brand spanking new, and these issues are to do with other nonsense
07:11<petern>i have a vserver which, when i shut it down, attempts to shut down the host machine too... what've i done wrong :/
07:11<petern>it was installed as an etch vserver under etch, and both have since been upgraded to lenny
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07:12<davetaylor>i think there's just goofy, stupid shit in the db to do w/ permissions and whatnot
07:12<kabith>hey all
07:12<davetaylor>because someone was feeling clever
07:12<kabith>how do I add chat on msn?
07:12<igor>jm_: computer crashes!
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07:13<jm_>igor: well that's not trivial to debug -- are keyboard leds blinking?
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07:14<student544354323>s
07:14<student544354323>sd
07:14<student544354323>s
07:14<student544354323>hi
07:14<student544354323>d
07:15<student544354323>ds
07:15<student544354323>d
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07:16*petern ponders just reinstalling the vserver... another one installed since the upgrade works flawlessly
07:16<igor>jm_: keyboard leds no blinking, only mouse move slow, and CPU on full power
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07:16<petern>ls -l
07:16<petern>er
07:16<petern>:o
07:16<jm_>igor: hmm doesn't sound like a crash then
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07:17<igor>jm_: on vesa driver all ok!
07:17<jm_>igor: yes, vesa is much simpler, no acceleration etc.
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07:18<igor>jm_:on debian 4 working ok
07:18<jm_>igor: with the same hardware and ati driver?
07:19<igor>jm_:Yes
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07:19<jm_>igor: well what can I say, check if there's anything in BTS, otherwise wait for new driver/x version and test with that
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07:22<igor>jm_: What is it BTS? Big my pardon.
07:22<jm_>!tell igor -about bts
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07:23<igor>!tell igor -about bts
07:23<jm_>it already told you
07:23<igor>where writte this string?
07:24<jm_>check if it opened a new window or tab and look there
07:24<jm_>1.6ghz - atom?
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07:25<igor>jm_: cant find this window
07:25<adb>!bts
07:25<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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07:39<igor>!bts
07:39<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
07:40<igor>jm_: thanks
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07:41<StarkD>nothing happens when I plug-in a projector and restart X. Do I have to modify xorg.conf?
07:43<dr|z3d>StarkD: Try grandr.
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07:45<StarkD>dr|z3d: I'm trying to use it right now, how does it work? :)
07:46<siji>hi all
07:46<siji>while am trying to install install micriwnidow on the top of debian base
07:46<siji>it's givng the error like zlib.h not found
07:47<siji>how can i resolve it
07:47<jm_>install zlib devel package
07:47<siji>ok
07:47<dr|z3d>StarkD: That should allow you to set up multiple monitors/outputs. Fairly straightforward.
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07:50<StarkD>dr|z3d: hm ok, what should I do when there is only a single default monitor to work with?
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07:55<dr|z3d>StarkD: Have a look at this article, see if it helps: http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/
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07:57<dr|z3d>StarkD: Also see: http://blog.rot13.org/2008/08/easy_dual_monitor_setup_with_xrandr.html
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07:58<StarkD>dr|z3d: thanks
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08:09<siji>jm_,while am trying to install zlib-dev
08:09<siji>it's giving lot of dependencies
08:09<siji>am wrking with debian base
08:09<siji>so is there is any common package name for installing it together
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08:12<bambix>hi all
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08:13<bambix>I have a question and was hoping to find an answer here
08:13<bambix>debian box with sftpd, made an nfs mount through fstab to my nas
08:13<bambix>but when i ftp to the debian box the nfs mount isn visible
08:14<bambix>any tips/ideas?
08:14<jm_>siji: the package is called zlib1g-dev
08:14<bambix>?
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08:15<siji>hey jm_, thanks
08:15<siji>i solved
08:15<siji>by apt-get -f install
08:15<siji>it installed all the dependencies :)
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08:17<bambix>anybody?
08:18<jm_>perhaps you need to explain your problem better
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08:23<bambix>jm_ ok vsftpd server in the home dir of the ftp user is a folder wich has a nfs folder on another server mounted to it
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08:24<bambix>when i connect through vsftp i don see that specific folder
08:24<bambix>is that better?
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08:24<jm_>bambix: ftp as in anonymous ftp user?
08:24<bambix>nope
08:24<bambix>local
08:25<bambix>in ftp the folder is invisible
08:25<jm_>and it's actually mounted in their home dir, not symlinked?
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08:25<bambix>yet when i log in on the box as the user i can see it
08:25<bambix>i used fstab to mount
08:25<bambix>so should be an actual mount
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08:26<jm_>what's the mount point?
08:26<bambix>home/(user)/ftp
08:26<jm_>let m e try that
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08:27<bambix>the thing is when i log into the box and browse to the folder itś listed and i can open/use it, but when i log into ftp the ftp folder isn visible
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08:28<bambix>one thing though when I go to home(user)/ and do an ls, it has blue characters and a green back
08:28<bambix>not sure what that means
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08:28<jm_>ahh that indicates +t mode IIRC
08:29<bambix>ok
08:29<bambix>Iĺl admit Iḿ no expert, what does +t mode mean?
08:29<jm_>but can you cd into the dir when logged in as that user?
08:29<bambix>yes
08:30<bambix>ok thatś weird just tried again and now it works?
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08:30<bambix>well given horse and all that =)
08:30<bambix>thanks
08:30<bambix>it decided to work all of a sudden
08:30<jm_>hmm
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08:31<bambix>thnx again jm_
08:33<jm_>I didn't do anything useful
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08:34<bambix>but you were willing to, wich is cool in my book
08:35<bambix>386 people here and you were the only one trying to help me out
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08:37<bambix>now Iḿ here mind helping me out a bit with the next obstacle?
08:37<jm_>just ask and if someone knows ...
08:37<jm_>don't ask to ask
08:37<bambix>I want to chroot the local users, but they have shell acess, how do i create a user for ftp purposes only?
08:38<jm_>give them a shell like /bin/false or so
08:38<bambix>how do i do that?
08:38<jm_>well you can specify the shell when creating a new user
08:38<jm_>or modify it later too
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08:38<bambix>ok
08:39<jm_>usermod, chsh
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08:39<bambix>=) thnx, just saved me a bunch of time looking up the right command
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08:44<siji>jm_,now getting new error " error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory"
08:45<jm_>!tell siji -about search
08:45<siji>:(
08:45<siji>am searching here too
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08:51<StarkD>dr|z3d: it was the glx module in xorg.conf was the problem. disabling allowed fixed the problem and all I just rebooted and found the monitor. Is it possible to use Nvidia hardware acceleration and external monitors?
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08:52<bambix>jm_ when i change shell to /bin/false i can login through vsftp?
08:52<bambix>sorry can (typo)
08:52<bambix>can't
08:52<bambix>not a typo but language settings (:
08:53<koollman>bambix: add '/bin/false' to the /etc/shells file
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08:53<bambix>=) thnx
08:53<c4__>hi
08:53<koollman>or remove the check from vsftpd. I think there's an option for that
08:53<c4__>how to pass parameter -j3 to make-kpkg ?
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08:54<jm_>StarkD: check if their readme file explains limitations
08:55<a>hi guys I have proplem
08:55<a>with netcut
08:55<a>can any body help me out
08:55<c4__>how to pass parameter -j3 to make through make-kpkg ?
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08:56<jm_>c4__: you can specify it in make-kpkg config file
08:57<c4__>jm_ do you know the location of that file?
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08:59<jm_>c4__: you can put it in home dir, README should explain more
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09:01<bambix>ok next one :) when i set the chroot_local_user=yes option in vsftpd the user getś chrooted to the system root and cannot change dirs, instead of being jailed to it's home dir
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09:03<jm_>bambix: vsftpd chroots local users in their home dir
09:04<c4__>jm_ I found it! I have to use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 and export it
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09:04<jm_>c4__: ahh didn't know it also honours env. vars
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09:07<bambix>jm_ yeah thatś what i was expecting but when i enable the option and restart the service the user gets redirected to the system root
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09:07<jm_>bambix: are you sure these are local users and not virtual users? is their home dir set properly?
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09:09<bambix>home dir is set to the ftp folder in the users original home folder, not sure how to check if itś a virtual user, i created the account with useradd
09:09<jm_>then it doesn't sound like a virtual user
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09:09<jm_>where did you set home dir then?
09:09<c4__>jm_ is: #~> set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL = 3 ; export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL the correct way of setting that variable?
09:10<valdyn>c4__: not in bash
09:10<jm_>c4__: you don't use set in bash, and no spaces
09:10<c4__>valdyn: how is it?
09:10<jm_>you can do it in one line: export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3
09:10<c4__>ok
09:11<valdyn>c4__: why export it at all?
09:11<valdyn>c4__: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 make-kpkg blah
09:11<c4__>i don't know
09:11<bambix>with moduser -d /home/(user)/ftp (username)
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09:11<bambix>wich is the mounted folder i told about earlier
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09:15<bret>hi
09:16<jm_>hmm then I can only suspect vsftpd is cd-ing to a wrong dir or chdir fails
09:17<jm_>or you have passwd_chroot_enable enabled
09:18<bambix>ok thnx Iĺl have a look
09:19<jm_>strace-ing vsftpd would reveal what is going on
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09:24<kesha>hi all
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09:25<kesha>Can any one help me with Xorg ?
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09:26<kesha>I have installed Lenny with xfce4, but the grafics is not started
09:27<jm_>does startx work?
09:27<kesha>Where are not any thing at logs
09:27<bambix>jm_ found it I had secure shroot enabled to a non existing folder
09:27<kesha>Yes
09:27<bambix>it works now =)
09:27<bambix>thnx again
09:28<kesha> /say jm_ Yes
09:28<jm_>kesha: did you install a display manager?
09:28<kesha>Yes. it is gdm
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09:29<jm_>is it started at boot?
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09:29<kesha>the card S3Trio 64V2/DX
09:29<kesha>Yes, I write at /etc/inittab
09:30<sniffer>¯ñõÿÿÿÿÿÿ¯ñõéô/wi
09:30<jm_>debian doesn't use that to decide whether to start DM or not, are you using debian at all?
09:30<sniffer>Oops
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09:31<kesha>It is my first system with debian
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09:32<kesha>lena@lena:~$ ps xa|grep X11
09:32<kesha> /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
09:32<sniffer>my first system with deb was back in 1996 with infomagic.com CD SET
09:33<sniffer>anyone used that distributor? 28800 modem was unreliable to download it ;)
09:33<jm_>looks like gdm started that
09:33<kesha>At all I used RH
09:33<jm_>heh my first CD-s were infomagic 1994
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09:33<jm_>(borrowed)
09:33<sniffer>Ie ordered with fathers CC lol
09:33<sniffer>I was just a kid
09:34<sniffer>let me look for the infomagic box, still have it
09:34<kesha>I think some thing wrong with my video-card
09:34<sniffer>found April 1997 Edition
09:34<jm_>if startx gives you working X then gdm should work too
09:35<jm_>otherwise you can also try wdm for example
09:35<kesha>no errors logs at system
09:35<jm_>and gdm has a logfile too
09:35<kesha>and visualy all work fine, but no picture (
09:36<kesha>only black screen
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09:36<jm_>so there's black screen both with gdm and startx?
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09:36<kesha>sorry, where are log
09:36<kesha>invalid frequency 20.000 Mhz [freq >= 21.250 Mhz]
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09:37<kesha>What is need for fix it ?
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09:38<kesha>I did run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
09:38<kesha>but result is same
09:39<jm_>I still have no clue what your actual problem is, or what works and what doesn't
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09:39<sniffer>jm_: :take a look
09:39<jm_>log is in /var/log/gdm
09:40<sniffer>imeout: 480 seconds)
09:40<sniffer>::: (join/#debian) SiCuTDeUx_ (~workstati@190.203.215.91)
09:40<sniffer><jm_> (borrowed)
09:40<sniffer>> Ie ordered with fathers CC lol
09:40<sniffer>> I was just a kid
09:40<sniffer>> let me look for the infomagic box, still have it
09:40<sniffer><kesha> I think some thing wrong with my video-card
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09:40<sniffer>jesus..
09:41<sniffer>very sorry
09:41<kesha>will change it?
09:41<SiCuTDeUx_>uh?
09:41<petern>mispaste :D
09:41<sniffer>jm_: http://www.sniffer.net/infomagic/
09:42<sniffer>petern: went wrong..
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09:42<jm_>sniffer: can't right now
09:43<sniffer>jm_: np, just infomagic box pics I just took
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09:43<sniffer>memorablia
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09:58<kesha> /say jm_ Thanks, I change card to SiS, and It works
09:58<debam>hi to all,is there any list which shows supported touchscreen LCD monitor
09:59<jm_>kesha: no need to thank me, you figured it out
10:00<kesha>but no work mouse ((
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10:00<jm_>kesha: is it listed in /proc/bus/input/devices?
10:00<jm_>doh
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10:01<jm_>kesha: is it listed in /proc/bus/input/devices?
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10:02<kesha>No, where are not it
10:03<jm_>what kind of mouse is it?
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10:03<kesha>Old Com-mouse
10:03<jm_>serial port?
10:04<kesha>Yes
10:04<jm_>do you have sermouse module loaded?
10:05<kesha>no I did know it. I will try
10:06<kesha>How is it name?
10:07<jm_>sermouse
10:07<kesha>I loaded it, but it no at /proc/bus/input/devices
10:08<jm_>did it say anything in dmesg output?
10:08<k0pp>...root@TzU:/etc]# hostname -f | hostname: Unknown host
10:08<igor>!ru
10:09<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
10:09<k0pp>i've edited /etc/hosts to include: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.domain.local localhost
10:09<k0pp>still failing.
10:09<k0pp>any ideas?
10:09<kesha> /say jm_ no, it is clean about mouse
10:10<jm_>kesha: are you sure it's a serial mouse? not ps/2 perhaps?
10:10<jm_>kesha: how does the connector look like?
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10:10<iandeb>hi
10:10<adb>k0pp: cat /etc/hostname
10:11<k0pp>adb, that works
10:11<k0pp>the 'hostname' command works, but when the -f flag is used it doesnt.
10:11<iandeb>I have a problem: if I want to install synaptic on sid I have the following message: synaptic: Depends: libapt-inst-libc6.7-6-1.1
10:11<iandeb> Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6
10:11<kesha> /say jm_ Yes, I am sure. It is very old mouse with big connector
10:11<iandeb>Is there a way to solve it?
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10:13<adb>install those packages too
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10:14<jm_>kesha: hmm I'd have to try it here to see how it works, haven't used serial mice for years -- and you do see ttyS in /proc/devices?
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10:28<bobo>help
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10:32<serraemeira>What's up bobo?
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10:33<adb>he 's gone already
10:34<flukxo>howdy, i'm looking for a differential backup solution for Lenny, do you have any suggestions?
10:34<serraemeira>Thanks adb
10:35<adb>np
10:35<serraemeira>Have you tried rsync?
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10:36<serraemeira>Have you tried rsync, flukxo?
10:36<flukxo>not yet
10:36<kesha> /say jm_ Yes, I see ttyS in /proc/devices
10:36<flukxo>can rsync do backups to a NAS?
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10:38<kesha>the mouse is working, it is work at live-cd
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10:39<TheKing>How do you find out what program is using what port?
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10:41<Ganneff>netstat -tulpen
10:41<TheKing>thanks
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10:52<sysop2>hi
10:53<serraemeira>hi
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10:54<sysop2>is there a mailing list software that works with a external email account?
10:54<sysop2>I looked at mail man and it seems to only work if the mail server is on the machine running it.
10:55<petemc>and what would this software do?
10:56<sysop2>pull down email messages from a external pop3 account and look for mailing list commands, add me to the list, give me digest, etc.
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10:56<sysop2>I dont see any reason why you would have to do that only a local server. it should be able to pull down the messages remotely and process them.
10:57<petemc>a mlm receives mail and then forwards it to a group
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10:57<sysop2>mlm. cool thanks I will check it out. but can it do more than that?
10:57<petemc>mlm == mail list manager , mailman, sympa etc
10:58<sysop2>oh ok
10:58<sysop2>misunderstood
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10:58<petemc>im explaining to you how it works, as i cant understand how you think it would work with an "external account"
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10:58<sysop2>I dont understand how you can think it wouldnt
10:58<petemc>then we're at an impasse
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10:59<sysop2>why cant it pull down the messages and process them , then send them out again via smtp.
10:59<petemc>what does process mean in that context?
10:59<sysop2>look for mailing list commands.
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10:59<petemc>such as?
11:00<sysop2>a command to add a address to a list, a command to send the sender a copy of the lists latest digest, etc.
11:00<petemc>and how does the list work?
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11:01<sysop2>I understand your tatic. keep asking me to explain myself untill I give up, but here goes I will explain to you how every mailing list I have ever been on works.
11:01<petemc>dont bother
11:01<sysop2>I dont you point.
11:02<petemc>my "tactic" was to make you see how it couldnt work
11:02<petemc>but have fun anyway
11:02<sysop2>cant you just tell me why it wouldnt work.
11:02<petemc>apparently not
11:03<sysop2>since a mailing list works off of just one email address I dont see why I would have to setup a email server to handle one address.
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11:03<sysop2>there are plenty of external email servers that can do that for me.
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11:06<sysop2>for instance why cant I run a mailing list out of my gmail account?
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11:06<DTE>hi all
11:07<djc>you could
11:07<DTE>i have some problem trying to configure freeradius2
11:07<DTE>i get this error
11:07<djc>use fetchmail to grab the mail, and then feed it into a local MTA
11:07<DTE>http://www.nopaste.com/p/akfbr7lYq
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11:07<djc>which would deliver it to the script/engine that would then deliver to the mls scripts
11:08<sysop2>ok cool. that makes sense. but I dont understand why there isnt a maillist software that works with a pop3/smtp account already without having to run a mail server locally.
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11:08<djc>but most list software expects to be run with an MTA
11:09<djc>it would be trivial to install an MTA and list software
11:09<djc>and just have fetchmail 'receive' inbound mail
11:09<djc>if you knew what you were doing well enough, you could probably hack at the bits and bypass the need for a local mta
11:09<xlotlu>sysop2: because a ML takes advantage of how the MTA works without killing it
11:09<djc>but I doubt if there is any 'premade' software to do that
11:10<djc>heck you could write a set of perl scripts to do it all (including pop retrieval too) yourself
11:10<xlotlu>sysop2: i.e., it sends *one* email, with a list of recipients, and the MTA takes care of delivering one copy of the message to all of them
11:10<sysop2>oh, ok.
11:10<sysop2>so its a resource issue.
11:10<djc>xlotlu, theres no reason one couldnt use a sendmail stub for that, to relay through an upstream smtp srv
11:10<xlotlu>sysop2: if you'd want to do that via a smtp account, you'd either have to send one message per recipient, or CC/BCC all of them
11:11<djc>now, possibly, you might violate said upstream ISP's TOS
11:11<djc>and get your account shut down
11:11<sysop2>one message per recipient is fine.
11:11<djc>xlotlu, smtp can accept more than one recipient per message
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11:12<djc>but either way, you stand a good chance of catching the attention of your ISP's abuse@ person if you start to get any signifigant traffic
11:12<sysop2>true, but this is a small list I am talking about.
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11:13<djc>either way, you need to know what you are doing, and will probably need to either write some glue scripts if not the entire thing, yourself
11:13<djc>but I doubt if there is any 'premade' software to do that
11:13<sysop2>well thanks you guys have pointed me in the right direction.
11:14<djc>most modern software providers a web interface as well
11:14<djc>difficult to do if you dont have a public webserver on the same machine running the list
11:14<xlotlu>djc: so you can with pure (e)smtp send a single message with multiple recipients, and they'd each get their own set of headers (i.e. they won't see everybody else's addresses in To/Cc)?
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11:15<djc>xlotlu, smtp doesnt require anything in particular in a To: header
11:15<djc>the concept is the distinction of the envelope of a message from the headers
11:15<xlotlu>djc: but spam filters along the way do
11:16<djc>Perhaps.. but most existing listserv software uses To: listname@listdomain.etc
11:16<djc>which you could also do
11:17<djc>wether you are using custom scripts or an existing ml doesnt change that you can't give each recipient their own to: header unless you send individual messages per recipient
11:17<xlotlu>ok then, you could certainly set up a "ML" with Bcc
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11:17<djc>Which is, basically, sending one message, with all the recipeints in RCTP TO:, but without putting them in To: header
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11:18<k0pp>how can i connect to an X session.. I get this error when i 'startx': Server is already active for display 0
11:18<djc>Bcc, To, Cc have nothing to do with the envelope of a message
11:18<djc>k0pp, ctrl-alt-F7, if you are on debian
11:18<djc>its on its own virtual console
11:18<djc>1, - 6 have gettys, so X gets 7, usually
11:18<k0pp>djc, that wont work over SSH i'd imagine, correct?
11:19<djc>k0pp, er... what?
11:19<djc>An X server is something you run locally
11:19<k0pp>i'm connected to my machine via ssh. i'm trying to startx and get a display manager wroking
11:19<k0pp>ah
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11:19<k0pp>i figured it would fail
11:19<djc>clients can be remote
11:19<djc>although there is vnc
11:19<k0pp>how can i connect to it?
11:19<k0pp>vnc is aids
11:19<djc>but you'd have to set that up already
11:20<djc>er ahead of time
11:20<k0pp>how can i just.. connect to the X server?
11:20<djc>im not sure what you mean
11:20<djc>you want to remote control the screen?
11:20<k0pp>yes sir
11:20<djc>vnc
11:20<k0pp>without vnc
11:20<djc>then you cant
11:20<k0pp>;/
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11:20<djc>X client/server is backwards conceptually from what one might normally think
11:21<djc>the 'screen' is the server and something like xterm is a client
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11:21<djc>So if you are sitting at an X-terminal, it is an X server
11:21<k0pp>i see
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11:21<djc>you can ssh to some remote machine and run that machines xterm, firefox, or whatever, and have it display on *your* screen
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11:21<djc>those programs are clients, your screen is the server
11:22<k0pp>via ssh -X
11:22<djc>(screen, b, mouse)
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11:22<djc>well.. some people setup their ssh to forward X by default
11:22<Edd>Hello
11:22<k0pp>indeed
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11:22<djc>the only way to 'remote' a screen is with something like vnc
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11:23<djc>ive also heard 'remote desktop'..
11:23<djc>but that either might just be a different name for vnc, or it might just be a similar protocol
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11:23<k0pp>yeah, that's the RDP protocol
11:23<k0pp>i may look into that
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11:23<djc>its basically the same conceptually as vnc
11:24<djc>doing the same thing
11:24<djc>there are x servers that run headless
11:24<djc>and only start a session when someone connects remotely (vnc, rdp, etc)
11:25<k0pp>yeah but RDP is harder to exploit
11:25<djc>in addition to being able to setup to remote to one running on an existing screen/kb
11:25<djc>k0pp, if you say so
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11:26<k0pp>i dont know of any exploit for rdp running on linux, at least the newer versions, on the other hand i have an auth-bypass sploit for vnc4.0 so..
11:26<k0pp>i'd say so
11:26<djc>I see.. although it looks like RDP was a MS-originated protocol..
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11:27<djc>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software
11:28<djc>i suppose it depends on the implementation
11:28<djc>there seem to be a variety of both
11:28<k0pp>rdf is the linux equivilant of rdp i just found out
11:28<k0pp>anyways
11:28<k0pp>thanks for setting me straight on my fail with X.
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11:28<djc>np
11:29<djc>have fun
11:29<djc>btw
11:29<k0pp>yep
11:29<djc>if you are sitting an an X screen,
11:29<djc>and you want your remote machine to manage it
11:29<k0pp>what exactly do you mean X screen
11:29<djc>you should be able to ssh -X and then start up a window manager
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11:29<k0pp>ah yeah
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11:29<k0pp>thats what i'm doing
11:29<djc>but you need to not have a wm already running
11:29<k0pp>but 'kdm' and 'gdm' dont do anything ;/
11:30<k0pp>oh i see
11:30<djc>most linux setups have 'failsafe' where all you get is an unmanaged xterm
11:30<djc>actually
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11:30<djc>rdmcp
11:30<djc>i think
11:30<djc>xdm/gdm can 'look' for a machine willing to provide window management
11:31<djc>basically an automation of starting a local X server with just xterm, and then sshing over and starting remote wm
11:31<djc>let me see if thats the right term
11:31<k0pp>sounds like exactly what i want to do
11:31<djc>!xdmcp
11:31<dpkg>i guess xdmcp is if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world"
11:31<djc>aha
11:31<djc>there it is
11:31<djc>xdmcp
11:31<djc>of course
11:31<djc>unless you have a quite fast connection
11:31<djc>it will suck
11:32<djc>if both ends are debian, under system/administration/login window
11:32<djc>on both, is where you would enable that..
11:32<k0pp>KDE heh
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11:33<djc>well kdm then
11:33<ranix>I use GDM to manage xdmcp via /etc/gdm.conf
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11:33<ranix>and what the heck is a system/administration/login window
11:33<DTE>uhm....
11:33<DTE>i line kie this one
11:33<DTE>freeradius[31653]: segfault at 1d ip b7d817e2 sp bfae0200 error 4 in libc-2.7.so[b7d11000+155000]
11:33<djc>ive got gnome up
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11:34<DTE>is not very nice, isn'n it?
11:34<djc>and its default setting has a menubar with 'apps, places, and system'
11:34<djc>but if he's on kde, then i suppose its different
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11:34<djc>if its debian lenny, if sure the equivalent config is available somwhere
11:34<k0pp>sure
11:34<djc>on gnome its under system -> administration -> login window
11:34<k0pp>it's /etc/gdm/gdm.conf btw
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11:35<k0pp>pingfreq fail?
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11:40<kenshi>hi :)
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11:41<k0pp>i've got one other deb issue...
11:41<k0pp>my box cant ping or connect to anything ouside of 127.0.0.1
11:41<k0pp>not this one obviously.
11:41<k0pp>i have no idea where to start debugging this issue
11:42<enouf>file:///etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess
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11:42<ruoge>debian
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11:44<djc>k0pp, how is it networked?
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11:44<ustel>name is yagiz
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11:44<k0pp>djc, what do you mean by that
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11:44<ustel> salakhttp://img2.blogcu.com/images/n/e/v/nevayin/2-4_jhd._nach_christus.jpg
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11:44<djc>k0pp, i mean, if you expect it to be able to access other things on a network, how is it connected? does it have an ethernet nic? wifi? smoke signals?
11:45<djc>are you on a home network with a router? at work?
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11:45<k0pp>djc, ethernet, direct line to the modem
11:45<k0pp>not behind any sort of router
11:45<djc>the machine you are on now, or the other machine?
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11:46<djc>or both?
11:46<k0pp>the same machine iwas asking about X stuff
11:46<k0pp>the other machine is what i'm talking about
11:46<djc>are they both connected to the same modem, is what im asking
11:46<k0pp>oh, no.
11:46<k0pp>i can connect to it, run my site, IRCd.. etc.
11:46<djc>what type of modem? cable? dsl?
11:46<djc>er.. what?
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11:46<k0pp>but it cant make any connections to outside l0
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11:46<k0pp>djc honestly i dont know
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11:46<djc>have you trying anything other than ping?
11:46<k0pp>i would assume cable
11:47<k0pp>djc, yes
11:47<djc>ok, so its not the same place where you are
11:47<djc>you can ssh *to* it, but then cant ssh out?
11:47<k0pp>i can ssh outside of it, scp. but not ping, or connect via irc, or anything like that.
11:47<djc>ok, you can ssh into it, and can ssh out of it..
11:47<k0pp>yes sir
11:47<djc>can you ping it
11:47<djc>from outside
11:47<k0pp>there are no iptables rules blocking anything
11:47<k0pp>yes i can
11:47<k0pp>ping it.
11:48<djc>but from it you cant ping outside
11:48<djc>?
11:48<djc>can you ping its default route?
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11:48<k0pp>i can ping the machine, and i can ping sites/hosts from the machine
11:48<djc>so you can ping it, and from it, you can ping outside machines
11:48<k0pp>yes.
11:48<djc>im getting lost now.. what is it you cant do?
11:48<k0pp>its only some protocols that wont work for some reason
11:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
11:49<k0pp>i.e. IRC, telnet, and mysql
11:49<djc>then perhaps whatever/whoever is providing it internet access has some iptables or equivalent
11:50<k0pp>ah gar.
11:50<djc>possibly.. without actually getting in and seeing i couldnt say for sure
11:50<djc>this machine is a colo somewhere?
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11:51<k0pp>'colo'
11:51<k0pp>?
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11:51<djc>you built a machine, and shipped it to someone (possibly paying them) and they've put it on their network
11:51<djc>or possibly they built it for you
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11:52<djc>with the intention of it being a 'server'
11:52<k0pp>oh no. its a box i rooted way back when, just now getting to fixing it up nice
11:52<k0pp>heh
11:52<djc>you
11:52<djc>what
11:52<k0pp>this issue has baffled me for quite some time
11:52<djc>so its someone else machine you've broken into and taken over?
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11:53<k0pp>well
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11:53<k0pp>no one has logged in for 7months +
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11:53<k0pp>according to lastlog
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11:53<k0pp>so really its like a broken down car on the highway that's been there for years
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11:53<djc>riiight
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12:04<achraf>Hi
12:04-!-mofo [micks@badass.mofo.nl] has joined #debian
12:04<achraf>I've a question about SDL
12:04<achraf>How to iconize a game like with CTRL-Echap on windows
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12:05<petern>ctrl-echap?
12:05<achraf>don't work...
12:05<gravity>esc I think
12:05<achraf>no...
12:05<achraf>esc is to quit games
12:05<achraf>In windows, it's very useful
12:05<petern>what's echap then?
12:05<achraf>to iconize game
12:05<achraf>only
12:05<achraf>not quit
12:05<gravity>achraf: We've never heard of this key
12:05<djc>wtf is 'echap'
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12:05<achraf>djc: no djc
12:06<achraf>i tried Echap with Tremulous
12:06<achraf>for example
12:06<djc>wtf is 'echap'
12:06<achraf>and Tremulous shows
12:06<achraf>MENU
12:06<achraf>no djc
12:06<gravity>achraf: Your desktop environment should be able to do it. If you're running gnome with defaults, you can try alt-F9
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12:06<djc>achraf, no what?
12:06<achraf>djc: echap is not like ctrl-echap in windows
12:07<djc>what the HELL is "ECHAP" ?
12:07<petern>achraf: WHAT key is 'echap'? what IS it?
12:07<achraf>gravity: yes, alt-f9 works for Windows, but not for FULL SCREEN Games
12:07<achraf>petern: echap is escape in french keyboards
12:07<achraf>:(
12:07<petern>you said earlier it was not escape...
12:07<gravity>... so I was right that it is esc?
12:07*gravity sighs
12:07<djc>then just say escape
12:07<achraf>gravity: no, it's not escape
12:07<djc>!en
12:07<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
12:08*gravity gives up
12:08<achraf>I'm not good in english
12:08<djc>!fr
12:08<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
12:08<achraf>what's the good google request
12:08<achraf>i'll do
12:08<achraf>to find what i want
12:08<achraf>"linux iconize key sdl game" ?
12:09<djc>icons are entirely a function of which window manager you are running
12:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 413] by debhelper
12:09<kenshi>hi there
12:09<achraf>djc: XFCE
12:09<djc>and there are many.. there is no universal one
12:09<achraf>djc: but i would like to do that with FULLSREEN gamee
12:09<petern>http://www.olf.gouv.qc.ca/images/ti/clavier.gif
12:09<achraf>djc: and fullscreen games have all keyb privileges
12:09<petern>echappement == ecsape
12:09<petern>escape, even
12:10<achraf>petern: yes...
12:10<djc>to do what?
12:10<gravity>If the SDL app is grabbing the alt-f9 key, then it might have to be an app-specific command
12:10<achraf>petern: and.. ?
12:10<petern>16:07 < achraf> gravity: no, it's not escape
12:10<achraf>petern: And chat's escape ?
12:10<gravity>It doesn't matter. He wants a key command to minimize a full screen SDL game.
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12:10<kenshi>i'm asking for help about a problem with mounting ntfs partitions in lenny with kde
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12:10<gravity>What he calls "escape" doesn't matter
12:10<petern>hehe
12:10<petern>well
12:10<petern>you can't
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12:10<gravity>Are you sure?
12:10<petern>cos sdl captures them all
12:10<achraf>gravier: yes
12:10<achraf>gravity: you understand
12:10<petern>you can't alt-tab either
12:10<achraf>petern: cos sdl ?
12:11<djc>consult the documentation for the game
12:11<djc>consult the documentation for your window manager
12:11<achraf>petern: alt-tab doesn't work
12:11<djc>what game are you taking about, anyway
12:11<achraf>petern: try with tremulous for example
12:11<petern>yes, that's what i said
12:11<achraf>djc: tremulous, neverball, urban terror and more
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12:11<kenshi>i've got the device names on pmount.allow
12:11<petern>all hotkeys are disabled when in fullscreen sdl
12:11<djc>kenshi, what is the problem
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12:12<kenshi>i can mount the partitions with pmount (/dev/hdaX)
12:12<achraf>petern: yes... :(
12:12<achraf>djc: the problem is
12:12<djc>achraf, not you
12:12<djc>kenshi, what is the problem
12:12<achraf>djc:ok... :)
12:13<djc>achraf, you make no sense, so im going to help kenshi
12:13<kenshi>but when i try to mount with kde media manager, it fails, with a permission denied error
12:13<achraf>djc: no sense ? Why ?
12:13<achraf>djc: This thing it's very useful...
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12:13<kenshi>and is working with removable devices
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12:13<djc>kenshi, i suspect kde doesnt use pmount
12:14<kenshi>hal, maybe?
12:14<djc>kenshi, you are trying to mount removable devices? or something else?
12:14<djc>the removable ones can mount, but not others?
12:14<kenshi>i'm trying to mount fixed devices
12:15<kenshi>that means that i'm forced to use fstab?
12:15<djc>is there some reason you dont want to use fstab?
12:15<djc>or su to root?
12:15<kenshi>i want to be able to mount devices as an user
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12:16<djc>generally fixed devices mount at boot and stay mounted
12:16<djc>but
12:16<djc>you could add the 'user' option in fstab
12:16<djc>to permit mounting by nonroot users
12:16<djc>its described in the mount manpage
12:16<djc>but why not just mount on boot and stay mounted?
12:16<djc>oh wait.. you said this was an ntfs partition
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12:16<kenshi>hm, that means that if i add another hard drive
12:17<djc>presumably you are dualboot?
12:17<kenshi>i have to modify fstab every time?
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12:17<djc>if you are adding it internally/permanently, yes
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12:17<djc>if you want to be able to mount it as a user
12:17<djc>without suing
12:17<kenshi>hmm...
12:18<kenshi>how iflexible
12:18<djc>how often do you add a drive?
12:18<kenshi>inflexible
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12:18<djc>a nonremovable drive
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12:18<djc>well the concept is that 'root' is the sysadmin and is the user involved with adding hardware to the machine
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12:19<class>Hey, I need some help. I just tried installing debian on my computer - It all went well until I go to the login page, the system doesnt reckon my password, nor the root password I set.
12:19<djc>how often do you add nonremovable drivers?
12:19<Supaplex>!pmount
12:19<dpkg>somebody said pmount was "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount).
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12:19<kenshi>i'am in plugdev
12:19<djc>Supaplex, hes not talking about removable stuff
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12:19<kenshi>but i can mount nonremovable with pmount
12:19<class>I am now trying to reinstall the system by using the instal CD, but I dont know how to boot from the disk - It just jumps to the main screen.
12:20<Supaplex>!tell class -about rescue
12:20<djc>kenshi, i just thought you said you couldnt?
12:20<djc>class, you need to get into your machines bios
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12:20<djc>class, often you hit an F-key or 'del' when it displays the POST screen
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12:21<djc>class, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s06.html.en#boot-dev-select
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12:22<class>Thanks
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12:22<kenshi>djc: with pmount there's no problem
12:22<kenshi>but with kio_mounthelper
12:23<djc>kenshi, ok, are you trying to mount removable drives with kde, or internally installed ones?
12:23<kenshi>internally
12:23<djc>ok, add it to fstab, and add the 'user' option
12:24<djc>how often are you adding/changing internal drives that you consider that too much hassle?
12:24<class>Ah, thanks, I got it now :D
12:24<class>later
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12:25<kenshi>i'm using a railrack
12:25<djc>a.. what?
12:25<djc>oh
12:25<djc>hrm
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12:26<djc>its nt hotswappable, i assume
12:26<djc>if its hotswappable, it should work like a removable
12:26<djc>how is it interfaced? scsi? ide?
12:26<S3v3N>I have installed pure-ftpd using this command "apt-get install pure-ftpd", and my ftp doesn't work. I tried to connect ip:21 (21 is port) and does not respond. Any suggestions maybe?
12:26<kenshi>ide
12:26<djc>S3v3N, after installing it you need to start it
12:27<S3v3N>i did
12:27<S3v3N>as root : /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start
12:27<S3v3N>right?
12:27<djc>S3v3N, can you 'ftp localhost' ?
12:27<djc>kenshi, is it hotswap or do you have to shutdown?
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12:27<S3v3N>ftp: connect: Connection refused
12:27<kenshi>i've to shutdown
12:28<djc>kenshi, ah ok.. so its no removal.. but.. does whatever drive you put there always come up as the same device (hdb, or whatever) ?
12:28<jthomas>S3v3N you may need to edit /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/____ something
12:28<djc>S3v3N, ps ax | grep ftp
12:28<djc>see if an ftpd is running
12:29<S3v3N>5258 pts/0 S<+ 0:00 grep ftp
12:29<djc>S3v3N, ok, looks like its not running.. check /var/log/messages
12:29<djc>perhaps it starts and says why it stops
12:30<kenshi>hm, i'm getting the point
12:30<S3v3N>Mar 19 17:24:51 debian kernel: [39136.170559] warning: `pure-ftpd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
12:30<djc>kenshi, ?
12:30<djc>kenshi, well, I was saying, if it always comes up as the same device, you could add an fstab entry with 'user' for that device (or parititons)
12:31<S3v3N>what could the problem be, lol i have never had problems with that...
12:31<axelote>Hello! Anyone knows what is the problem with one bug about forcedeth(nvidia lan driver) that is very old but not fixed, even there is an RFC describing how to fix this but
12:31<djc>and any device you put there will user-mount
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12:31<djc>S3v3N, you need to look for more than that
12:31<axelote>sorry about my bad english
12:31<S3v3N>ok sek
12:31<djc>S3v3N, there should be something saying why it cant run..
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12:32<djc>S3v3N, look for everything from pure-ftpd.. read it, dont just blindly paste it here.
12:32<djc>S3v3N, if you arent sure what it means, pastebin it
12:32<djc>!paste
12:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:32<djc>!forcedeth
12:32<dpkg>rumour has it, forcedeth is the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher, or ask me about <forcedeth mac>
12:32<S3v3N>hm ok its nothing other in messages, i used ctrl+w to find words like ftp or pure or pure-ftpd or pure-ftp and it found nothing...
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12:33<djc>S3v3N, uh... tail -500 /var/log/messages | grep ftpd
12:33<djc>S3v3N, one sec
12:33<axelote>I assume dpkg is a robot, isn't it?
12:33<S3v3N>djc: it give me same error like i pasted it before 32-bit bla bla...
12:33<djc>axelote, yes
12:33<koollman>axelote: don't tell him that. he could send robot killers in the past to unmake you
12:34<axelote>lol
12:34<Supaplex>!bot
12:34<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
12:34<djc>lol
12:34<djc>S3v3N, hang o
12:34<djc>n
12:35<S3v3N>ok no problem take your time ;)
12:35<axelote>lol! again, I asked that, is great!
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12:36<axelote>but anyway, I know how to fix the problem but, why is it there already
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12:36<jthomas>kenshi you can get a unique device ID for any drive with (as root) blkid /dev/sda1' or whatever; then use that blockid in /etc/fstab to always define that drive
12:36<djc>its a bug in nvidia's hardware
12:37<djc>ask nvidia
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12:37<axelote>but, what about a workarround for udev asking inverse mac
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12:37<djc>S3v3N, ok, fyi, i just installed pure-ftpd, and im noticing the same thing
12:37<class>That was very odd indeed. I'm certain my passwords were correct - What could've caused the system to fail to recon them?
12:37<djc>i start it and it isnt there, and i cant quite see why
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12:38<djc>so.. give me a moment while I try to find out
12:38<S3v3N>yes man thats strange ;) ok thank you
12:38<axelote>AWK
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12:38<axelote>AFK
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12:39<djc>aha
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12:39<djc>it looks like by default it runs in inetd mode.. and inetd isnt running by default
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12:40<S3v3N>so what does that mean?
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12:40<S3v3N>that i have to configure inetd?
12:40<djc>S3v3N, it means hang on a moment while I find the clean way to change it
12:41<S3v3N>aha ok sorry :>
12:41<djc>well, either you need to run inetd, or to change pure to run standalone
12:41<djc>do you expect to support a lot of ftp traffic?
12:41<djc>or just the occasional personal up/download?
12:41<S3v3N>personal
12:41<djc>you could probably run inetd then
12:41<S3v3N>i need only for something to put with ftp on server thats it nobody else will use ftp
12:42<S3v3N>ok so how i do that /etc/init.d/inetd start ? :>
12:42<djc>apparently not
12:42<djc>if this is only for occasional transfer, you might find scp a better alternative
12:43<djc>runs over ssh
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12:43<djc>actually im not sure of my original answer
12:43<djc>let me look some more
12:43<S3v3N>ok
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12:45<gnewb>Hello, I made it in, I went on freenode first. so, is this the Debian /channel?
12:45<koollman>yes, it is
12:46<gnewb>Thank you, I goofed up and went on freenode, I think that was incorrect?
12:46<djc>aha
12:46<djc>i think
12:46<djc>lemme try first
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12:46<koollman>gnewb: yes. the official debian channel moved to oftc network some time ago
12:46<gnewb>Thank you
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12:47<gnewb>I installed Firestarter, is that overkill or is there a better way to do things?
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12:51<djc>S3v3N, ok, looks like the simplest way to get it going is to edit
12:51<djc>/etc/default/pure-ftpd-common
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12:52<S3v3N>ok sek lemme check
12:52<djc>and change STANDALONE_OR_INETD=inetd
12:52<djc>STANDALONE_OR_INETD=standalone
12:52<djc>then do /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart
12:52<S3v3N>ok sek
12:52<djc>but what I said earlier applies
12:52<djc>if this is only for occasional transfer, you might find scp a better alternative
12:52<djc>which runs over ssh
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12:53<djc>especially for transfers between *nix machines, but even with windows (there are several windows ssh/scp clients, putty one of the more common ones)
12:53<S3v3N>can i paste one line here pls or i go pastebin?
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12:53<djc>one line is fine
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12:54<gnewb>Can I get and put a GPG key on a USB?
12:54<S3v3N>Restarting ftp server: Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -l pam -u 1000 -E -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -B <------ that line pasted me after i restarted the ftp
12:54<djc>thats fine then
12:54<S3v3N>ok PERFECT
12:54<S3v3N>it works, i love ya djc ;)
12:54<S3v3N>:*
12:54<angasule>alsa broke :(
12:55<djc>gnewb, uhm... why couldnt you?
12:55<djc>angasule, so go to the alsa store and buy a new one
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12:56<gnewb>dlc: Thank you, I had one sent while on Ubuntu, I want a fresh one that is not tainted, I did not know if that worked or not.
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12:56<djc>sent?
12:56<angasule>djc: do they accept transylvanian crowns? :/
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12:56<djc>gnewb, sent by who?
12:56<djc>gnewb, generally one generates gpg keys using gpg itself
12:56<angasule>[ 11.220837] EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:01:07.0 failed with error -5 <-- meh, ALSA, shows in lspci
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12:57<djc>angasule, no, only gold-pressed latinum
12:57<angasule>trekkies, bah
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12:57<djc>thpthp
12:57<djc>I had to think fast for some other kind of currency
12:57<djc>thats all that popped into my head
12:57<gnewb>djc: recieved, sorry, I am an older man now and much slower, it is strange going back to UNIX like after 20 years of GUI.
12:58<angasule>it was a recent update in squeeze that did it, I guess
12:58<djc>actually i thought of harry potter and wizarding money, but I couldnt remember what its called
12:58<djc>gnewb, received from who?.. im not sure what you mean
12:58<gnewb>djc: MIT
12:58<angasule>djc: I don't like HP either :P
12:59<djc>gnewb, Oh.... I dont know anything about that then
12:59<angasule>no /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer
12:59<gnewb>Thank you, I get that one or another one sent.
12:59<djc>but if you have a gpg key, you can store it anywhere you want.. i wouldnt recommend storing it somewhere random folk can get it though, probably a good idea to keep it secure, somehow
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12:59<vincenzo>ciao
13:00<angasule>I'll try messing with the bIOS
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13:00<djc>angasule, fine then. They only accept freshly killed chickens
13:00<vincenzo>!list
13:00<dpkg>one warez list being sent to vincenzo
13:00<vincenzo>!addon
13:00<vincenzo>help
13:00<stew>vincenzo: what are you trying to do?
13:00<djc>vincenzo, yes?
13:01<vincenzo>no speaking english
13:01<vincenzo>i'm italian
13:01<djc>!it
13:01<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:01<gnewb>djc: I use to keep on a floppy, password protected, now I will use a USB , it stays on my belt or in my safe.
13:01<vincenzo>#debian - it
13:01<djc>gnewb, sounds like basically the same concept
13:01<stew>man, i'd love to know why italians type '!list'
13:01<djc>obviously you'll neet to tell gpg where to find it
13:01<djc>to use it
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13:02<stew>nobody even people in #debian-it are able to give me a satisfying answer
13:02<gnewb>djc: Yes, thank you.
13:02<stew>there must be a site somewhere that says in italian "for all the best warez, go to #debian and type list"
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13:03<djc>i think channels where illegal porn/software copied in violation of copyright/stolen credit card numbers, have bots that give some output in response to that
13:03<stew>but why would so many italians think that this is such a channel?
13:03-!-bart_ [~bart@f053194213.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:03<stew>and only italians
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13:04<gnewb>All this is like new to me now, is fun to re-learn this stuff.
13:04<djc>hard to google for, since google ignores non-alnum characters
13:04<djc>maybe 'debian' means 'porn' in italian
13:04<djc>:P
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13:04<gnewb>Ever use scroogle?
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13:05<djc>hrm.. nope.. google translate doesnt know what it means
13:05<djc>gnewb, nope
13:05<djc>looking at it now
13:05<djc>hrm
13:05<djc>403'd
13:06<gnewb>http://scroogle.org/<<I also like DMOZ
13:06<djc>oh .org
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13:07<gnewb>djc: Once there use the scraper
13:07<djc>uh
13:07<djc>oh
13:07<djc>still ignores the "!"
13:07<djc>and searchs on 'list'
13:07<gnewb>arrgh
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13:13<gnewb>stew: What are you looking for?
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13:14<djc>we were just curious why people (perhaps italians) can in here and typed "!list"
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13:14<djc>its not a big deal
13:14<djc>came*
13:14<stew>gnewb: why do italians join here and type "!list" so often. but only italians, and never any that know enough english to be able to tell us why
13:14<djc>I suspect its a standard command for some irc bots
13:14<djc>but its hard to google, since it ignored punctuation
13:15<djc>and 'list' is a common term
13:15<djc>try googling for "http"
13:15<S3v3N>djc: can you tell me what command is to check computer specifications please? (Proc., RAM, Hard Disk etc...)
13:15<djc>wow.. actually that gave useful results
13:15<djc>cat /proc/cpuinfo will give some
13:15<stew>S3v3N: /msg dpkg whats my hardware
13:16<djc>browser through dmesg for some more
13:16<djc>lspci for some more
13:16<djc>free and/or top to see ram
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13:16<djc>usbview to see usb
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13:17<djc>just found a tool called 'dconf' in apt that appears to collect information from multiple sources and display it
13:17<S3v3N>ok thanks dude
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13:18<djc>hrm.
13:18<djc>i dont think dconf is what you want
13:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 416] by debhelper
13:19<djc>way too much info
13:19<Azhrarn>I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of a 2.6.18 kernel (preferably 686), as I'm hitting a catch 22 with libc6 upgrading from a .11 kernel ( http://paste.debian.net/31009/ )
13:19<S3v3N>yes i think that too when i was looking now i want only to check processor and ram thats it :D
13:19<S3v3N>ram i did now with msg dpkg myram now im gonna check also processor
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13:20<djc>aha
13:20<djc>hardinfo
13:20<S3v3N>command not found
13:20<stew>Azhrarn: what version of libc6 is installed now?
13:20<petern>install 2.6 from etch before upgrading to lenny
13:20<djc>you might have to install it
13:20<S3v3N>apt-get install hardinfo maybe?
13:20<djc>it appears analagous to windows 'system -> properties'
13:20<djc>or look for it in synaptic or aptitude
13:20<stew>or installit from sarge before upgrading to sarge before upgrading to etch before upgrading to lenny before upgrading to squeeze, it seems
13:20<Azhrarn>stew: 2.7-16
13:21<petern>if (sarge) might_be_better_off_installing_from_scratch()
13:21<Azhrarn>I had an old custom compiled .11 kernel, and went to do an overdue dist-upgrade to find that libc6 is hard locked on newer kernels :(
13:21<koollman>actually, update from sarge work
13:21<djc>S3v3N, if you just wanna quick get cpu you want to cat /proc/cpuinfo
13:21<koollman>I did recently a 'sarge->etch->lenny' upgrade
13:21<koollman>on a rather old box
13:22<S3v3N>djc: Yes i already did, thank you :)
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13:23<djc>and you might want to look at hardinfo
13:23<S3v3N>yes im looking now its very very specific
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13:23<djc>looks like it collects a lot of system info up and gives a nice gui to browse it
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13:23<S3v3N>yes it takes some time also :D
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13:24<djc>didnt take that long
13:24<gnewb>as I thought, list is enco , I am half Italian and had to call my uncle.
13:24<djc>very "detailed" is what you mean, i think
13:24<djc>enco?
13:25<djc>what is enco?
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13:25<Cadmium01>I'm sshing into a machine with squid3 running on it, but it seems like I cant connect to squid any more via firefox (using ssh tunnel) How can I troubleshoot this?
13:25<gnewb>enco = the word list
13:25-!-rumith [~rumith@ppp85-141-143-152.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #debian
13:25<djc>which means what?
13:25<Cadmium01>For example, how can I check that squid is accepting connections on localhost?
13:25<gnewb>list
13:25<djc>Cadmium01, telnet localhost <squidport> ?
13:26<djc>and that explains why someone would connect to this channel and type it how?
13:26<djc>Cadmium01, /etc/init.d/squid restart? (or something like that)
13:26<Cadmium01>djc, Already restarted.=, didnt help, will try telneting now
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13:27<gnewb>!enco
13:27<djc>they dont type "!enco" they type "!list"
13:27<gnewb>Ok, it works on an Italian server.
13:27<gnewb>!list
13:27<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gnewb
13:28<djc>Cadmium01, check in squid logs for messages that explain why its not running?
13:28<djc>gnewb, it works to do what?
13:28<gnewb>djc: get a warez package
13:28<djc>in here dpkg responds to it with that silly message, why I dunno
13:28<Cadmium01>djc, telnet did nto connect, here's how I create tnnel
13:28<Cadmium01>ssh -C -L 3218:localhost:3128 user@domain.com
13:28<fxiny>Cadmium01: squidclient ?
13:29<djc>which... jives with what I said in the first place over a half hour ago:
13:29<djc><djc> i think channels where illegal porn/software copied in violation of copyright/stolen credit card numbers, have bots that give some output in response to that
13:29<gnewb>djc: to get a warez list
13:29<djc>!list
13:29<dpkg>one warez list being sent to djc
13:29<djc>in this channel, it doesnt actually send any list to anyone
13:29<djc>its just being humorous
13:30<S3v3N>djc: how do i check temperature of pcu, you know maybe?
13:30<cahoot>why is this subject still beaten - isn't dead alreadY
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13:30<djc>and it still doesnt explain why italian users think this channel might have such a list
13:30<Cadmium01>fxiny, djc how doI get out of telnet?
13:30<gnewb>Yes, I think you are correct, I would have to run a file check to see any changes
13:30<djc>S3v3N, hrm... look for 'sensors' in synaptic
13:30<Cadmium01>it seems it connected on the host remote machine, bt cant connect from local
13:30<djc>Cadmium01, control-c if it isnt connected
13:30<Cadmium01>mst be tuneling issue?
13:30<djc>or control-[ if it is
13:31<Cadmium01>djc, it's connected
13:31<Cadmium01>cantn get ot
13:31<djc>er sorry
13:31<djc>control - ]
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13:31<djc>then type 'close'
13:31<djc>or if its a proxy
13:31<djc>just type random stuff and keep hiten enter
13:31<djc>it will error out and drop you eventually
13:31<djc>or hit enter on blank lines
13:31<Cadmium01>djc, lol, wont let me out
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13:32<Cadmium01>ok got ot with ] lol
13:32<djc>notice when it connected it said:
13:32<djc>Escape character is '^]'.
13:33<Cadmium01>djc, yeah I was litterally typing it and it didnt work, then ] worked :)
13:33<djc>S3v3N, looks like hardinfo has sensors too
13:33<djc>its control ]
13:33<Cadmium01>so I can connect to it on remote machine, but not via tunnel
13:33<djc>you hold control and type ]
13:33<djc>ok, then check your tunnel
13:33<Cadmium01>djc, how can I check tunnel>?
13:33<djc>i mean, look at the command you are using to create it, make sure its right
13:33<djc>what port is squid on?
13:34<djc>and ssh arguments are you using?
13:34<djc>to forward a port?
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13:34<Cadmium01>it's correct
13:34<Cadmium01>ssh -C -L 3218:localhost:3128 user@domain.com
13:34<Cadmium01>used to work yesterday
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13:35<petern>so, er, have you actually checked the logs? :o
13:35<djc>and squid on domain.com is on 3128?
13:35<djc>so fire up that ssh, and then on local, do telnet localhost 3218
13:35<Cadmium01>djc, it is on 3128
13:35<djc>er
13:35<djc>wait
13:35<djc>3218 or 3128 ?
13:35<djc>perhaps you just have a typo in port number?
13:36<Cadmium01>no, 3128 for suure
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13:36<djc>yes, but when you pasted in your ssh command
13:36<djc>you had 3218 as local and 3128 as remote
13:37<djc>which port are you forwarding from local?
13:37<Cadmium01>djc, damn it, that mst be it. I'll check now.
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13:37<djc>I stick with things like 9009 for temp forwarded ports..
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13:37<djc>harder to typo ;)
13:37<fxiny>squid listen on 3128
13:37<djc>well.. maybe not, but easier to spot
13:37<djc>fxiny, by default
13:37<Cadmium01>djc, it was a typo, sorry I bothered you for this. Thanks :)
13:38<djc>doesnt mean you cant change it
13:38<fxiny>djc: yes
13:38<djc>it also doesnt mean eve i its a 3128 on a host, that you cant forward some other local port to 3128 on remote
13:38<fxiny>why changing it ?
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13:38<djc>i dont run squid at all
13:38<djc>i didnt say anyone had to change it
13:38<fxiny>nahhh keep it 3128 and open your firewall
13:39<djc>but that doesnt mean one cant
13:39<Cadmium01>:)
13:39<djc>perhaps he doesnt want open proxy
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13:39<fxiny>just for an ip
13:39<djc>not sure if squid supports auth
13:39<djc>I know privoxy doesnt
13:39<fxiny>who wants openproxies ?
13:39<Cadmium01>I prefer sshing in, secure that way
13:39<djc>it also means he can go to any random pc and get in
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13:40<djc>without needing to change iptables
13:40<fxiny>Cadmium01: btw have you checked adzapper ?
13:40<djc>assuming he even runs iptables
13:40<Cadmium01>adzapper
13:40<Cadmium01>what's that?
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13:40<fxiny>zaps ads :P
13:40<Cadmium01>lol
13:40<fxiny>it works fine with squid
13:41<gnewb>Self explanatory
13:41<Cadmium01>fxiny, I just use firefox addon that blocks adds
13:41<fxiny>Cadmium01: i use dnsmasq
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13:41<amphi>me too!!11
13:41<gnewb>What is dnsmasq?
13:41<Cadmium01>what's that?
13:41<djc>nat
13:41<amphi>a caching dns forwarder
13:42<djc>er
13:42<djc>right
13:42<fxiny>dns , you add the ads sever to dnsmasq banner_add_hosts
13:42<djc>shrug
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13:42<Cadmium01>I am too newb for that, not even sure what's that for
13:42<djc>1. my server neither has nor needs a 'firewall'.
13:42<fxiny>Cadmium01: i kill any detected webbug this way
13:42<djc>any ports it listens to the world on enforce authentication
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13:42<amphi>Cadmium01: it acts as a local nameserver, and when it doesn't know, it asks upstairs
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13:43<gnewb>Does it take alot of configuration?
13:43<Cadmium01>amphi, what is the advntage of that?
13:43<djc>2. my debian workstation is behind a home nat/router, not so much becuase it needs a firewall, but becuase there are other machines sharing the net.. so its more for the nat
13:43<Cadmium01>speed?
13:43<amphi>Cadmium01: it's faster
13:44<amphi>Cadmium01: I used to use it on dial up, and never lost the habit of only having 127.0.0.1 in my resolv.conf
13:44<djc>one could always just run bind on your workstation in resolver only mode
13:44<fxiny>Cadmium01: and you can block ads servers and webbugs
13:44<Cadmium01>amphi, wow, that's cool
13:44<djc>most nat/router/firewalls do dns caching too
13:44<fxiny>but adzapper+squid is fine
13:45<fxiny>or you can use apache
13:45<gnewb>Is Squid3 now, correct?
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13:45<Cadmium01>fxiny, interesting
13:45<Cadmium01>gnewb, yep
13:45<djc>switching between 'dns cache/resolver' and 'web proxy' topics
13:45<djc>not that the same hardhard couldnt run both
13:45<djc>hardware*
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13:46<fxiny>Cadmium01: don't forget your ~/.macromedia dir , and the fine site which offers optout cookies
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13:46<Cadmium01>fxiny, what's ./macromedia for? some flash stuff?
13:47<amphi>fxiny: ~/.macromedia ? what you say?
13:47<crs>Hey all. Testing new Crunch Bang.
13:47<gnewb>I remember Opt-Out from like 5 years ago or so.
13:47<fxiny>an evil pit : look into it
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13:47<fxiny>amphi: look into that and you'll see
13:47<amphi>lo! I have it not
13:47<fxiny>tracking stuff
13:47<soul_reaper>6on6 med- hs
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13:48<fxiny>http://www.dubfire.net/opt-out/
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13:49<gnewb>Is the shadow passwords enabled by default, or do I need to set that up? and if so, how?
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13:49<fxiny>amphi: heheh no flash ? ;)
13:50<soul_reaper>6on6 med- hs
13:50<fxiny>hs ?
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13:51<crs>Can anyone point me to a good tutorial on editing Xorg for a larger screen resolution?
13:51<fxiny>amphi: i've been on some xmonad layouts today : tetris addiction :P
13:51<soul_reaper>have server
13:51<amphi>fxiny: of course not
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13:52<amphi>fxiny: I haven't got round to trying, but can you use layout combinators to do tiling within a single pane?
13:53<amphi>fxiny: I'm thinking of that gimp layout, but with the ability to tab image windows in the central pane
13:53<amphi>I meant 'tabbing' not 'tiling' above
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13:54<ml>hello
13:54<fxiny>amphi: layout combinator is about *||* *//* *|* */* or **/* and so on
13:54<amphi>buena sera ml
13:54<fxiny>ml: hey
13:54<gnewb>crs: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg <<maybe that will help
13:54<amphi>fxiny: oh, is that all
13:54<fxiny>amphi: yes
13:55<gravity>crs: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
13:55<amphi>fxiny: I guess nested layouts are 'for the next version' ;)
13:55<fxiny>amphi: ( dragPane Vertical 0.1 0.5 **||* Full ||| dragPane Horizontal 0.1 0.5 ***//** Full ||| Full)
13:56*ml is learning emacs :)
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13:56<amphi>fxiny: heh, I shall have to spend some more time with TFM - I haven't had time recently
13:57<crs>Thanks gnewb and gravity so much reading to do. Got t get bckground under my feet.
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13:58<fxiny>amphi: checked the prompt ? XMonad.Prompt XMonad.Prompt.Shell ?
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13:59<amphi>fxiny: nope - a small prompt appears like dmenu?
13:59<fxiny>amphi: yes and you can run with arguments
13:59<amphi>yeah, that would be the useful difference ;)
14:00<amphi>did you try dzen?
14:00<fxiny>amphi: yes i have it
14:00<fxiny>but i do not use it
14:00<amphi>I didn't, xmobar seems quite adequate
14:00<fxiny>much better
14:01<crs>God, going diving, wish me luck. Thanks all. Bye.
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14:02<fxiny>amphi: and window navigation but i still use magicFocus : Mirror Tall and Tall for emacs speedbar
14:03<fxiny>amphi: i use only xmonad . nothing else , yesterday i was flying with emacs mrxvt and iceweasel
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14:06<ml>hmm I set caps lock to be another control key, now alt doesn't work!
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14:06<fxiny>this module : XMonad.Layout.WindowNavigation lets you swap windows with the arrows keys if you don't like magicfocus
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14:10<fxiny>amphi: but layoutcombinator splits your screen so you can run indipendents layout in each parts
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14:10<fxiny>i think is great with widescreens
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14:11<Cadmium01>When I receive mail on my system I read it with mail command, but then it's moved to ~/mbox. how do I read the mbox file?
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14:12<fxiny>it's moved in just one mbox ? you want procmail
14:12<fxiny>and mutt :))
14:12<gnewb>let me backup now, while it is stable,
14:13<Lazha>I installed gadmin-proftpd but don't know how to start it, can someone tell me please ?
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14:15<Cadmium01>fxiny, procmail and mutt or one of them?
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14:15<ml>why would $ setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps disable the alt key? I'm trying to map caps lock as a control
14:15<Cadmium01>the one i'm using now is mailx package htat has mail command in it
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14:18<fxiny>Cadmium01: i don't know what you are setting up
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14:20<Cadmium01>fxiny, not setting up anything really, just need to read incomming mail in ssh
14:20<amphi>fxiny: hmm, I'll look into it; that was what I was hoping
14:21<fxiny>amphi: the only trick is this : import XMonad.Layout.LayoutCombinators hiding ( (|||) )
14:21<fxiny>amphi: the full line
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14:22<ottoshmidt>why does archive manager open my deb packages, in ubuntu they were self-installing
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14:22<fxiny>then you write a layout line as usual **|* means a 2 to 1 ratio
14:22<gravity>ottoshmidt: Install gdebi and associate it with debs
14:23<ottoshmidt>gravity, ok thanks
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14:30<ottoshmidt>gravity, are gdebi and gdeb different?
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14:30<gravity>ottoshmidt: Presumably, since they're different packages
14:31<Azhrarn>stew: Are you still around?
14:31<stew>Azhrarn: show us your sources.list. you should be upgrading to an etch kernel before you continue upgrading to lenny
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14:32<stew>Azhrarn: or whatever it is you are upgrading to. you never finished upgrading to etch, and now you seem to be upgrading beyond lenny. so you need to upgrade to etch then lenny
14:32<Azhrarn>sure, it's sid currently (which normally isn't an issue, but this is the first time I've been hit by libc6 like this)
14:32<Azhrarn>one sec
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14:33<Azhrarn>deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ sid main contrib non-free (and a similiar deb-src line)
14:34<Azhrarn>I'm thinking I may have to grab 2.18 kernel sources and compile that to bootstrap the new libc6, and then go from there at this point
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14:34<adri>hi all
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14:35<adri>i have a resolve problem and example bopm not connected with server name only with IP adress
14:35<adri>anbody can tell me where is problem
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14:37<Azhrarn>stew: Ahh, forgot that oldstable was available these days, trying http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.deb
14:37<zem>adri: what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf
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14:39<adri>oh i cant see
14:39<adri>second
14:39<zem>cat /etc/resolv.conf
14:39<adri>only nameservers
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14:43<Azhrarn>stew: Thanks for the response, setting my sources to etch worked (didn't realize etch would still work) enbough to let me upgrade the kernel to .18
14:43<Azhrarn>*enough
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14:52<freedomrun>hi
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14:56<ottoshmidt>how do I set iceweasel a default browser
14:56<ottoshmidt>?
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14:58<abe>kde or gnome?
14:58<ottoshmidt>gnome
14:59<abe>System -> Preferences -> Preferred applications
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15:04<amphi>fxiny: right
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15:06<fxiny>amphi: is it ok ?
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15:06<k0pp>anyone have any experience with dual monitors with 2 different video cards
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15:06<dondelelcaro>k0pp: lots of people do
15:06<k0pp>can anyone help me out with my fail xorg.conf?
15:06<k0pp>i can paste it if you need
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15:07<fxiny>amphi: can't set the theme switch , i see the prompt and the themes names but nothing changes . i want terminus fonts in a custom theme
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15:15<orbit>Hello, a beginers question. Is there a simpel way to tell on witch partition my system is on, (in console) i run debian. 4.0 etch
15:15<k0pp>df
15:15<k0pp>command
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15:16<k0pp>let me rephrase that, orbit: i think the command youre looking for is: df
15:16<k0pp>heh, sorry.
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15:17<orbit>oh, thx. And is it the /var thet keep the system fils?
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15:18<djc>typical *nix systems will use multiple filesystems on multiple partitions
15:18<djc>if one of them fills up, then anything that needs to store information on the filesystem will not work properly
15:19<djc>ideally, you want at least *some* free space on all partitions,
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15:20<k0pp>djc, you know anything about multiple monitors
15:20<themill>But all hard drives are always 95% full. The mess always expands to fill the available volume.
15:21<djc>k0pp, like what, in particular?
15:21<djc>themill, heh
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15:21<k0pp>i have an onboard video adapter, and a Matrox Millennium PCI card. whenever the Matrox is plugged in, the machine boots up, but X fails when its about to start kdm
15:21<orbit>ok, thanks, i need to reinstall Debian becas of some trubble. and i like to save the /homes dir. and its a own partion but im nor realy sure how to manage the partions on a new install
15:21<k0pp>i can only get X going if i unplug the Matrox card
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15:22<k0pp>Thus... i cannot dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with the Matrox card
15:22<djc>presumably your X is configured for the onboard card
15:22<k0pp>yes sir
15:22<djc>you'll have to do it from the cli
15:22<k0pp>dont know what that means
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15:23<djc>that means boot up with the matrox card in, and when X fails to load, log in on text console
15:23<k0pp>i cant
15:23<djc>?
15:23<djc>why not
15:23<k0pp>its almost like it freezes up
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15:23<k0pp>it doesnt dump me into a prompt
15:23<k0pp>it just locks up
15:23<djc>then disable gdm
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15:23<djc>before putting the matrox card in
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15:23<k0pp>how might i go about that again?
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15:23<djc>well, the fastest way to temp disable is probably
15:23<djc>chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
15:23<djc>doublecheck that path
15:24<k0pp>ah ok.
15:24<k0pp>one sec
15:24<djc>yep, its right
15:24<k0pp>ok.
15:24<k0pp>djc, i'll hop back on here via irssi if i have any issues
15:25<goodger>good evening; can anyone tell me offhand the option to pass to tar to not overwrite things, i.e. resume? saves me filtering through miles of --help and man
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15:25<k0pp>um
15:25<k0pp>goodger, --no-overwrite-dir
15:26<k0pp>thats what i grepped from tar --help
15:26<k0pp>:/
15:26<k0pp>brb djc.
15:26<goodger>tah
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15:27<cris>\cmd.exe
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15:30<goodger>ok, I've learned an important lesson: never attempt to switch to tty1 while qemu is running >.<
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15:30<Supaplex>but why?
15:30<patrikf>yeah, why?
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15:32<goodger>because when switching back to tty7, it segfaults X
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15:33<c4_>hi
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15:33<fxiny>wtqemu :P
15:33<amphi>fxiny: what?
15:33<c4_>i have made some changes to a kernel source, now how can i make a patch file? I have the altered tree and the original one.
15:34<fxiny>amphi: qemu , it segfaults eggs :P
15:34<amphi>heh
15:34<goodger>*tut*
15:34<amphi>what are you doing to the poor thing?
15:34<Supaplex>goodger: you broke it! *gasp* I'm telling ;)
15:34<goodger>I didn't think trying to install gentoo in a qemu would be so difficult
15:35<goodger>it took me half a bloody hour to get it to recognise the disk drives, and then it crashed while downloading a file with links
15:35<goodger>and of course it broke X >.<
15:35<amphi>goodger: qemu never did that here; OTOH, I never abused it with gentoo...
15:35<koollman>goodger: that's really something I wouldn't try.
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15:36<fxiny>gentoo ? hahahaha everyone knows that gentoo is for frigging eggs : i have super psychic powers :P
15:36<koollman>cpu and i/o intensive tasks in qemu ...
15:36<c4_>do i have to make a diff to the .tar kernel files?
15:36<amphi>fxiny: haha
15:36<Supaplex>c4_: no, unified diff of the sources
15:37<goodger>koollman: I was downloading a 130M file D:
15:37<Supaplex>c4_: I bet this is an FAQ for kenrel.org or the kernel mailing list
15:37<c4_>Supaplex: diff -u dir1 dir2 > patch? ¿?
15:37<amphi>IIRC, it's in the kernel source readme
15:37<koollman>goodger: then you have another stability problem (and, network is rather slow. it is i/o :) )
15:38<koollman>goodger: why do you want to install it inside qemu anyway ?
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15:38<goodger>koollman: probably didn't help that the image is on an NFS share
15:38<c4_>let me see
15:38<amphi>goodger: heh, you really ask for it
15:38<goodger>and I wanted to install it inside qemu to avoid the inconvenience of raping my PC by installing it directly
15:38<goodger>which looks like it was a sensible precaution.
15:38<Supaplex>c4_: I'm unsure. possibly diff -urN old/ new/ > new.patch
15:39<c4_>ok
15:39<Cadmium01>I get "Can't locate CPAN.pm in @INC (".... when tying to install perl module, does this mean I dont have perl installed>
15:39<Cadmium01>?
15:39<valdyn>!cpan
15:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cpan is the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network at http://www.perl.com/CPAN/, or perl -MCPAN -eshell, or it's probably better to use dh-make-perl --cpan
15:40<koollman>goodger: you could just install it in a chroot. unless you have very specific needs
15:40<vladislaw>Hola, buenas noches a todos
15:40<Supaplex>!es
15:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:40<fxiny>Cadmium01: which module are you after ?
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15:40<valdyn>!tell Cadmium01 -about search
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15:41<Cadmium01>fxiny, just following this howto: http://www.howtoforge.com/postfix_dkfilter_domain_keys_implementation
15:41<Supaplex>Cadmium01: apt-file search CPAN.pm or what valdyn+dpkg said. :P
15:41<goodger>koollman: that's a very good idea, but I wanted it to run X in a window too; not sure if I can get a chrooted install to do that, and frankly can't be bothered to find out :P
15:41<k0pp>djc, it woudlnt even dump me into the console when i disabled my display managers
15:41<k0pp>;/
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15:41<c4_>Supaplex: Man i think that have worked out! Can you believe it?
15:42<gnewb>That was fun.
15:42<Supaplex>Cadmium01: install the debian packages first where available. then you can use dh-make-perl for stuff not in the repos. /msg dpkg sources.list
15:42<koollman>goodger: well, you can, with a software like Xnest or other similar 'xserver/xclient' programs
15:42<koollman>and it would probably be faster, too
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15:42<fxiny>Cadmium01: again postfix ? not this evening :P
15:42<gravity>Or xephyr
15:42<Cadmium01>fxiny, lol
15:42<goodger>hmm
15:42<goodger>I'll look into it. thanks
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15:43<k0pp>djc?
15:43<fava_molla>sera
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15:43<fava_molla>!list
15:43<dpkg>one warez list being sent to fava_molla
15:43<Cadmium01>fxiny, I got SnederID, DKIM, SPF ready and rolling, just need to get Domainkeys working :)
15:43<prosis>Hello, I have Debian ports that open and close by themselves. Can anyone help&?
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15:44<k0pp>prosis, they dont open and close by themselves, something listens on them
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15:44<fxiny>Cadmium01: Sn ? DKim ? spf ? all rolling ? sounds like a video game
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15:44<gnewb>I goofed up, user error! I made this install with HDD slave unplugged, now it will not recognize it on boot, it is gNewSence OS, so is maybe a dual grub error?
15:45<Cadmium01>fxiny, I enjoy setting p my mailserver mroe than playing games :)
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15:45<prosis>Sorry I was deconnected for some reason
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15:46<prosis>Anyhow, I check if ports are opened or closed through a website and sometimes they're opened sometimes they're closed
15:46<fxiny>Cadmium01: yeahh much better then gaming . you like this kind of things ? join the xmonad local fan club then :)
15:46<prosis>At least that's the result it gives me
15:46<c4_>Supaplex: Yes, indid worked, but, how can it be SO FAST!?
15:46*Cadmium01 is googling for xmonad
15:47<prosis>When port 80 is closed, I can't access my websites
15:47<fxiny>Cadmium01: you can play hours whith configs , no jokes
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15:47<fxiny>Cadmium01: the most addictive wm ever
15:47<Cadmium01>fxiny, you mean it's really fun? or is it horrible to configre?
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15:48<amphi>fxiny: preach it!
15:48<amphi>;)
15:48<fxiny>Cadmium01: absolutely
15:48<fxiny>amphi: hehehe
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15:48<c4_>Supaplex: hehe, it was so so so fast, because i have all the files cached in memory
15:48<fxiny>Cadmium01: and you'll be much more productive and less stressed up
15:48<c4_>bye
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15:49<amphi>'mouse follows focus' gives a good insight into its character
15:49<prosis>Nobody knows what could cause this?
15:49<fxiny>amphi: Cadmium01 gonna be the fourth musqueteer . we get the oscar nomination :P
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15:49<k0pp>prosis, 'port 80 is closed' <-- you mean by a firewall?
15:49<Cadmium01>fxiny, I was just checking out the screenshots, how exactly wold I be more productive?
15:49<amphi>heh
15:49<k0pp>nevermind i guess ;p
15:50<gnewb>prosis: I was thinking Firewall or some proxy thing.
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15:50<fxiny>Cadmium01: because a tiling wm is dammed logic
15:50<lvdz>What's TCP ECN ?
15:51<gnewb>prosis: Firewall or some proxy thing running?
15:51<Cadmium01>fxiny, can you explain please, I dont understand
15:51<Cadmium01>fxiny, yet am very interested :)
15:51<dondelelcaro>lvdz: explicit congestion notification; see google for details
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15:52<lvdz>hmmm sounds good so far
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15:52<fxiny>Cadmium01: browse to xmonad home , check out some screenshots and layouts . debian provides a huge contrib collections and docs . just sit and play .
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15:53<prosis>Firewall
15:53<prosis>ufw
15:53<prosis>I opened 4 ports including 80
15:53<prosis>But it did the same thing back when I was using Firestarter
15:53<angasule>anyone else lost the ability to use an SB Live? :/
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15:54<gnewb>dang
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15:55<k0pp>prosis, iptables is for the l33t
15:55<k0pp>iptables wont be gay like that, at least it never has for me
15:55<orbit>Hi, i going to reinstall debian (4.0) how do i keep my (hda9) /home partion and mount it at instalation? someone who know a simple way to do this in the installation,
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15:57<k0pp>orbit, i would just tar cvzf home.tar.gz /home/
15:57<k0pp>and then: scp home.tar.gz user@somewhere.else
15:57<k0pp>then get it later and tar xvzf it ;/
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15:57*fxiny uses unp
15:58<fxiny>nice perl script
15:58<gnewb>prosis: as always, two of the same apps will usually conflict or cancel something out. Like two AVs is bad, Fire starter is basically a GUI for i[tables. But misconfiguration directly applies to i[tables.
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15:58<k0pp>fxiny, what is it exactly?
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15:59<fxiny>k0pp: unp any_compressed.ext automagically
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16:01<gnewb>How do I look at sources list?
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16:01<orbit>Ok, Thanks for the help kOpp
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16:02<eno>hello
16:02<Cadmium01>what is a cc command? and how do i install it?
16:03<stew>Cadmium01: "aptitude install build-essential" would install gcc the gnu c compiler
16:03<k0pp>Cadmium01, yes.
16:03<amphi>gnewb: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:04<Cadmium01>stew, thanks!
16:04<gnewb>amphi: Thank you
16:04<k0pp>Cadmium01, cc is just a shortcut to gcc
16:04<Cadmium01>k0pp, I see, cool
16:04<k0pp>im going to literally rape myself if i cant get this stupid multiple video card issue resolved within the next 15 mi nutes
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16:05<gnewb>Cadnium01: http://www.computerhope.com/unix/ucc.htm <<is a bit about that
16:05<amphi>!qotd49
16:05<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
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16:06<Cadmium01>I get MAKE not OK whenI try to configure cpan... anyone familiar with this?
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16:08<gravity>Cadmium01: Configure cpan how?
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16:08<Cadmium01>gravity, dont know, I just run perl -MCPAN -e'CPAN::Shell->install("Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA")' and it askes me to reconfigure it
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16:10<tcsetattr>!b-e Cadmium01
16:10<dpkg>Cadmium01: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
16:10<Cadmium01>dpkg, I did already
16:10<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Cadmium01
16:11<gnewb>That is the help bot?
16:11<dns>this error ?>
16:11<dns>Setting up system-tools-backends (2.6.0-1ubuntu1.1) ...
16:11<dns> * Starting System Tools Backends system-tools-backends invoke-rc.d: initscript system-tools-backends, action "start" failed.
16:11<dns>dpkg: error processing system-tools-backends (--configure):
16:11<dns> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
16:11-!-dns was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
16:11<dpkg>dns: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
16:11<gravity>Cadmium01: I think you should try using the span script itself. It'll configure CPAN for you, aiui
16:11<gravity>Cadmium01: Er, cpan script, not span
16:11<Cadmium01>which one is that?
16:11<gravity>cpan
16:13*gravity is a cpan newbie though, so could have this very wrong
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16:13<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: basically, you shouldn't run cpan by itself.
16:14<tcsetattr>perl -MCPAN with an "install" command needs to be root so it can install in the default directories. but that implies you're doing the whole process, including compiling, as root.
16:14<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: in this case, just aptitude install libcrypt-openssl-rsa-perl;
16:14<Cadmium01>gravity, ran cpan and it configured itself, cool lets see if it alows me to install modles
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16:14<tcsetattr>heh. you didn't check for libcrypt-openssl-rsa-perl already being a part of Debian first?
16:15<gravity>dondelelcaro++
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16:15<gravity>I assumed he knew about that. Bad assumption I guess.
16:15<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: in Debian, you pretty much shouldn't ever run cpan by itself. if you need something that isn't packaged for Debian, you should first ask yourself why it isn't packaged (we have a few thousand perl modules, and so if one isn't packaged, it usually means that no one uses it)
16:15<gravity>I've just been using cpan through dh-make-perl, so I'm shielded from a lot of it
16:16<Cadmium01>http://www.howtoforge.com/postfix_dkfilter_domain_keys_implementation
16:16<Cadmium01>these are the modules I need
16:16<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: then, if you decide that you still need it, you want to run dh-make-perl --build --cpan Foo::Bar;
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16:16<Cadmium01>dondelelcaro, thanks for advice, sometimes it's hard to search for right stuff for me
16:17<angasule>I can't get any sound even though I have an SB Live and alsaconf sees it... http://pastebin.ca/1365383 <-- line 575
16:17<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: any reason why you don't just use the dk-filter or dkim-filter packages?
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16:17<Cadmium01>dkim-filter is for DKIM, not DomainKeys
16:17<Cadmium01>DOmainKeys is Yahoo only thing
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16:18<Cadmium01>dkfilter is what I need I gess, but tutorial sais I need tro install dependencies
16:19<tcsetattr>it would be nice if there was a policy that the name of a perl module, including the double colons in the correct places, must be in the package description. "apt-cache search Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA" doesn't find the right package.
16:19<goneaway>angasule: mixer muted?
16:19<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: uh... DKIM is DomainKeys Indentified Mail. Same difference.
16:19<angasule>goneaway: no, there is no /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer
16:20<Cadmium01>dondelelcaro, so I dont need domainkeys if I have dkim? or you mean they are the same?
16:20<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: I mean it's the same thing
16:20<Cadmium01>dondelelcaro, not really, I setup dkim and yahoo passes dkim, but is neutral to domainkeys
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16:22*gravity agrees with tcsetattr
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16:23<tcsetattr>the transformation from perl name to deb name is pretty simple, but it's just another piece of trivia that a user must learn to find things
16:23<Cadmium01>looks like dk-filter is the same as dkim-filter
16:24<ml>angasule: did you set the levels with alsamixer
16:24<Cadmium01>Which package would have DomainKeys for yahoo? dondelelcaro
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16:24<angasule>alsamixer won't even run
16:25<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: there's no difference between DKIM and DomainKeys. DKIM was promulgated by people at yahoo, and is now becoming an IETF RFC
16:25<gravity>Cadmium01: apt-cache search DomainKeys
16:25<dondelelcaro>(or is one, I don't follow it very carefully)
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16:25<Cadmium01>dondelelcaro, ok, bt how is it that in yahoo headers I can see that my dkim passed and domainkeys didnt?
16:26<Cadmium01>gravity, did that, have dkim installed and configured, but now I need yahoo specific domain keys
16:27<gravity>no idea
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16:28<dondelelcaro>well, actually, I'm wrong. There is a difference, but it's because DomainKeys is the name of the old standard
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16:28<dondelelcaro>regardless, DKIM is what you actually want, as DomainKeys is only of historical interest
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16:29<Cadmium01>dondelelcaro, I do agree with what you say, I just wanted to setup DomainKeys too, just wanted to see Yahoo pass it
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16:29<Cadmium01>dondelelcaro, I take it, since dkim passes there is probably some small change I need to make do send DomainKeys header
16:30<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: if DKIM passes, then there's no point at even looking at DomainKeys
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16:31<dondelelcaro>but in any event, if you still want to expend your time on it, you can find most of the perl modules you need already packaged for debian
16:31<dondelelcaro>the module Foo::Bar will be in the package libfoo-bar-perl
16:31<dondelelcaro>(for the most part)
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16:31<Cadmium01>dondelelcaro, cool, thanks
16:32<gravity>And if not, dh-make-perl is your very good friend
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16:46<amjad>Is there any reason why I can't see timestamp on apache error logs?
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17:03<embrik>hmm where is #cinelerra
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17:16<`greywolf>anyone here familiar with ndiswrapper?
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17:24<ajavid_>is that for amd64 flash?
17:24<ajavid_>or windows drivers wireless
17:24<ajavid_>man I always confuse the two, ok nspluginwrapper is for plugins
17:24<ajavid_>and ndiswrapper for driver
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17:36<wea0>Is it "safe" to upgrade from lenny to testing? How to do it? Just change to testing in sources.list and select all updated packages in KPackage? Or do I have to do something special to upgrade to testing?
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17:40<patrikf>!lenny->sid
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17:41<patrikf>!lenny->squeeze
17:41<patrikf>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
17:41<dpkg>At present, it should be no more difficult than s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny.
17:41<chomwitt_>hi. in lenny debian seahorse depends on libgnome-keyring0 package and not on gnome-keyring(which includes a gnome-keyring-daemon). Does this mean that seahorse implements itw own ssh key agent and i could remove gnome-keyring?
17:42<Chekov>Hi. I am looking for help with xfce4 windowlist panel-plugin
17:42<wea0>nice
17:42<dr|z3d>Chekov: #xfce on freenode is the best place.
17:43<Chekov>Thank u, i will look there!
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17:58<djc>what id really like to find, is something that, to a web page, *looks* like 'adobe acrobat reader plugin' in ff 3.x, but instead prompts me for what to do with the pdf
17:59<djc>i hate the entire concept of a web page looking for specific brands of software on my computer and deciding not to let me access something based on that. just give me the damn pdf, andf *I'll* decide wtf I want to do with it
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18:01<k0pp>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04) <-- that's from `lspci`. for my xorg.conf, the BusID of that card would be 00:02:00 right?
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18:19<class>Hey, I need some extreme help... For someone who's using Linux for the first time in his life today - How do I install things?
18:19<class>I tried installing Open Office, but I have no idea how to do it
18:19<class>I have to compile it? How?
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18:20<class>(I am on my windows machine right now since I couldnt get Konversation nor IRSSI to work)
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18:21<urbinek>hi, how can i check motherboard name /
18:22<urbinek>?*
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18:23<client>once i upgraded to lenny my kde network settings stopped working.... (it will tell me to make changes manually) so i started using the gnome network admin and that does fine... how do i set that to handle my network? right now i have to run network admin as root everytime my wireless disconnects
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18:24<client>urbinek... there should be something in your bios setting about your mobo... either that or open the box and look at it.
18:25<djc>Clear, if you are using debian lenny, I'd suggest using SYnaptic package manager
18:25<djc>er
18:25<djc>class, if you are using debian lenny, I'd suggest using SYnaptic package manager
18:25<djc>!tell class about grounding
18:25<djc>also read that inf
18:26<urbinek>client: i need a whole expedition, ropes, wepons, slaves etc to reach my box ;p and i'm too lazy to reboot
18:26<djc>there is also lots of documentation at debian.org
18:26<djc>http://www.debian.org/doc/
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18:27<djc>urbinek, motherboard 'name' is pretty much only something printed on it.. not something that is accesible from a running system
18:27<djc>its a marketing thing
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18:27<djc>you *can* look at various information *about* your system
18:27<djc>using various hooks in /proc
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18:28<djc>theres an app called 'hardinfo' that tells you quite a bit about what you have
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18:28<djc>you might be able to determine what model you have by taking some of the key bits of lspci and/or dmesg and googling
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18:29<urbinek>djc, k
18:29<djc>class I would suggest that you go to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ and read the entire thing top to bottom
18:30<Silicium01>I get " WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" after I reinstalled VPS on my remote machine
18:30<djc>what is vps?
18:30<djc>!vps
18:30<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, vps is Virtual Private Server
18:30<Silicium01>virtual private server
18:30<djc>well im not surprised.. presumable it generated a new ssh key..
18:30<djc>I assume you are sshing?
18:30<Silicium01>The problem is, I dont know which key to remove from my known hosts, as none of them ahve name, but bunch of gibberish in it
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18:31<Silicium01>djc, correct
18:31<djc>the first field in each row is the hostname or IP
18:31<djc>look at it with less -S
18:31<djc>less -S .ssh/known_hosts
18:31<djc>er
18:31<djc>wait..
18:32<djc>hrm
18:32<djc>well. it used to be
18:32<djc>call me out of date
18:32<Silicium01>mine does not show ips, or hostnames
18:32<djc>wtf
18:32<tcsetattr>that's the HashKnownHosts option
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18:32<Silicium01>it has bunch of weird characters
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18:32<tcsetattr>it replaces the hostname with a hash of the hostname, so someone who steals your (unencrypted) known_hosts file can't tell where you've been connecting to.
18:33<Silicium01>tcsetattr, so how do I know which host to relete in order to update it?
18:33<tcsetattr>if you didn't care who knows what hosts you've been connecting to, this is a major annoyance for little gain
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18:33<client>urbinek.... try dmidecode in terminal as root
18:33<djc>perhaps add -v when connecting, maybe it will display the hash
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18:34<tcsetattr>it seems that ssh-keygen -R is the correct way to do it.
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18:34<djc>tcsetattr, ah, good find
18:35<Silicium01>nice
18:35<tcsetattr>if you've got known_hosts entries corresponding to old hosts that you've forgotten about, I guess you're stuck with them forever :)
18:35<djc>client, dang thats handy
18:36<client>yeah... i just found it online... trying to answer the question
18:36<djc>well, one could always make a test connection to each host one does connect to, verify it hasnt changed
18:36<djc>then wipe the entire file
18:36<djc>then reconnect again to each of those and resave the key
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18:37<yusuo>how can i play encrypted dvds in lenny, can anyone help
18:37<djc>granted, that does leave a short window whereby someone could change the host between then you verify it and when you connect again
18:37<client>yusuo.... VLC
18:37<djc>you need non-free
18:37<djc>and decss
18:37<yusuo>vlc says it cant read
18:37<amphi>yusuo: you need libdvdcss2
18:37<client>yeah djc is right... you need the dcss
18:38<djc>thats the one
18:38<yusuo>when i try and apt-get libdvdcss2, it says package no longer available but is refered to by different name
18:38<amphi>it's not in non-free
18:38<djc>its not?
18:38<djc>hrm
18:38<djc>ok
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18:38<amphi>!dmm
18:38<dpkg>rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
18:38<djc>ah ok
18:39<amphi>yusuo: ^^^ that's what you want
18:39<djc>technically it might be illegal, mainly
18:39<djc>DMCA violation and all
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18:39<yusuo>that just says i need a gpg key which i cant find
18:39<djc>but the DMCA is an ass
18:39<djc>anyway, i am off
18:39<djc>good day
18:39<amphi>n8
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18:40<adama>DMCA is a good reason not to live in USA :)
18:40<client>yusuo. do a search for dcss at the debian website... it will tell you what to add to your sources.list
18:40<yusuo>ok
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18:40<yusuo>No documents match your query
18:40<yusuo>lol so much just to play dvds
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18:42<wea0>Upgrade to squeeze seems to have gone fine, ... mostly. Some icons in iceweasel don't work anymore: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4637/37972076.png
18:42<wea0>I already ran "apt-get install --reinstall iceweasel", still the same.
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18:44<adb>wea0: tried iceape ?
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18:48<wea0>adb: Got no iceape. Will install icedove and see what happens.
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18:51<wea0>All toolbar icons are working in icedove.
18:51<ml>yusuo: you need to install ... libdvdcss2, libdvdread3, libdvdnav4
18:51<yusuo>thx
18:51<ml>np
18:52<ml>that might be in http://debian-multimedia.org/
18:52<yusuo>there already installed apparently but vlc image is all distored if I open a vob from the disk itself, if i try and open disk in its entirely the program just closes
18:53<ml>have tried with mplay?
18:53<ml>*mplayer
18:53<yusuo>just did that closes as well after freezing for about 10 secs
18:54<yusuo>im going to restart see if that makes any difference
18:54<ml>hmm, thats all I have installed
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18:56<yusuo>hey
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18:58<yusuo>ml restarting seems to of done the job, thx for your help
18:59<adb>in vlc ?
18:59<yusuo>yeah in vlc, but still doesnt work in mplayer
19:00<yusuo>mplayer still freezes than closes, but atleast it works in vlc that the only media player i use
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19:03<yusuo>im off to watch final fantasy vii now thanks for your help everyone
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19:14<jobran>hola
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19:14<jobran>hola
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19:15<[Raymond]>Well Hello
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19:15<[Raymond]>Is anyone available?
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19:15<jobran>do you speak spanish¿?
19:15<[Raymond]>No, sorry.
19:15<maxb>[Raymond]: Just ask your question
19:16<maxb>!es
19:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:16<dr|z3d>!es
19:16<[Raymond]>I'm looking for a tutorial on setting up a BNC server through Debian. If anyone could point me the right way, I'd appreciate it.
19:16<jobran>well thank you my name is jobran only i will want to see
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19:30<themill>!qotd0
19:30<dpkg><Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong!
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19:43<Silicium01>Local address of running daemon is "localhost:9999" in netstat -l , but postfix can not connect to it using: warning: connect to Milter service inet:localhost:9999: Connection timed out
19:43<Silicium01>any ideas why?
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19:44<[Raymond]>Do you have an iptables or firewall and if so have you set it so that loopbacking works?
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19:46<[Raymond]>example: iptables -I INPUT 1 -i lo -j ACCEPT
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19:46<[Raymond]>Also
19:46<[Raymond]>You may want to try 127.0.0.1:9999 instead of localhost:9999
19:47<[Raymond]>It does make a difference to some applications as with localhost sometimes it screws up.
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19:47<Silicium01>[Raymond], how would I check firewall? I have not installed it
19:47<Silicium01>I will try 127.0.0.1 now
19:47<[Raymond]>Okay
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19:48<canros>hi
19:49<[Raymond]>Hi
19:49<Silicium01>[Raymond], I use 127.0.0.1 in configs and restarted service (dk-filter) but in netstat it shows localhost:9999 again
19:50<[Raymond]>Hmm
19:50<maxb>Does anything but MySQL confuse the meaning of localhost?
19:50<[Raymond]>apache
19:51<maxb>Silicium01: netstat -n (n for numbers)
19:53<Silicium01>-l -n shows 127.0.0.1
19:53<Silicium01>still postfix is unable to connect to it
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19:54<[Raymond]>This is because Postfix is run in a chroot environment, and if you specify localhost Postfix will try to connct to the MySQL deamon using a unix socket in the directory /var/run/mysql, to which it will not have access. Using 127.0.0.1 forces Postfix to connect using a TCP/IP socket, which will work in the chroot environment.
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19:55<hatdn>gf
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19:57<Silicium01>[Raymond], no, it shows in log it tries to connect to localhost:9999 but is timing out
19:58<Silicium01>now I tried different apprih, moving dk-filter socket to postfix chroot, but socket file is lost
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20:00<Silicium01>how do I move a socket file without loosing it?
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20:53<hector>Hi?
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20:53<hector>Who can help me ?
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21:22<k0pp>can anyone spot anything wrong with this xorg.conf? http://nopaste.org/p/ar4pD9iET <-- 1 onboard card, 1 Matrox Millennium PCI
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21:23<yusuo>i need some help with vlc, i cant see anything when i play an avi file, i can only hear audio but if i play a video file from a dvd i get video as well
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21:26<k0pp>yusuo, if you were still here instead of giving up after no one answered in 2 minutes, i'd suggest some codecs for you to download :P
21:27<[Raymond]>lol
21:27<k0pp>some people are just so impatient
21:27<[Raymond]>Yep
21:28<[Raymond]>I've been waiting a few hours, but I'll wait days I don't mind. I have the time.
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21:40<k0pp>[Raymond], whats your problem? i can always try to help
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22:20<geoffrey>lenny is great
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22:44<enouf>i guess he 'BouNCed' ... lmao
22:44<goodger>er, what?
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22:49<Silicium01>how can I reconfigure /etc/hosts
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22:54<enouf>!hostname
22:54<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname', or see /etc/mailname
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22:56<Silicium01>ping localhost gets stuck and times out
22:56<Silicium01>what can cause this?
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22:59<GinoMan>hey, I accidentally installed debian edu on my debian testing machine, and it's completely messed with grub and I have no idea where menu.list is or any of the associated grub files so that I can upgrade my kernel, how do I remove it from my machine and restore things back to normal?
22:59<phreck>remove grub?
22:59-!-TariQ [~tariq@41.233.149.53] has quit []
22:59<phreck>or ubuntu
22:59<GinoMan>....
22:59<GinoMan>I'm not on ubuntu
22:59<GinoMan>and grub is missing as is
23:00<GinoMan>yet somehow still boots up
23:00<GinoMan>but it has the crazy debian-edu graphics etc
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23:01<Silicium01>I cant ping localhost, is this normal?
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23:01<Silicium01>GinoMan, maybe install grub again?
23:02<Silicium01>perhaps reconfigure it
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23:03<adb>Silicium01: ifconfig "has" lo interface ?
23:04<Silicium01>adb, how do I check?
23:05<Jpdota>hey, when i try to execute certain programs, i get "Bus Error", some examples are the update gui, compiz settings manager, and even a a pygtk "hello world" example. does anyone know what's wrong?
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23:06<GinoMan>if I "aptitude purge __" a package that changed stuff when it installed, will it be smart enough to undo those changes
23:06<GinoMan>?
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23:07<dli__>where is a straight forward Chinese(Big5) howto? fonts, locale, input methods
23:08<GinoMan>Jpdota: I remember that error.... That's a pain in the as eerror......
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23:08<Jpdota>GinoMan: do you remember how you solved it?
23:08<Jpdota>GinoMan: i think it has something to do with DBus, but i could be wrong
23:09<GinoMan>like royal pain in the ass error
23:10<GinoMan>it's a general error from what I understand, to solve it, you need to identify the actual confilict
23:10<GinoMan>I remember that stopped me from running a bunch of programs
23:11<Jpdota>it just says "Bus Error"
23:11<Jpdota>lol
23:11<GinoMan>basically it's them getting fucked up so bad that you have to reinstall them
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23:13<aleron6>whats happing in here
23:13<Jpdota>GinoMan: well, i reinstalled DBus, so perhaps that fixed it
23:13<aleron6>is debian good
23:13<Jpdota>GinoMan: nope, no such luck :(
23:13<Jpdota>aleron6: good for what?
23:13<GinoMan>it's never that eassy
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23:14<aleron6>to use
23:14<Jpdota>GinoMan: Yeah, of course not :(
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23:15<adb>Jpdota: libdbus-1-dev installed ?
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23:16<GinoMan>please try to avoid using my name, because I'm on a nice AMD 64 3500+ with a 200 Gig hard drive, a ATI Radeon HD 4550X.... and 512 MB's of Ram :(
23:16<Jpdota>adb: not according to dpkg
23:16<adb>install it , than
23:17<GinoMan>and every time you use my name... it makes a neat sound through my sound card... that takes the kernel forever to deal with because I have so little ram
23:17<GinoMan>and I'm already spilling over into swap space
23:17<Jpdota>:o, 512MB and you're out of RAM? yikes
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23:18<Jpdota>adb: installed
23:18<Jpdota>same error
23:18<Jpdota>"Bus Error"
23:18<dli__>!tw
23:18<dpkg>tw is probably an abbreviation of Taiwan
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23:20<adb>Jpdota: apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
23:20<Jpdota>adb: already installed
23:20<GinoMan>what does the broken programs your trying to run have in common
23:20<Jpdota>adb: however, when i tail /var/log/messages and try to open a broken program (ie: update-manager
23:20<Jpdota>nothing, that i know of
23:20<Jpdota>all are gtk, i guess
23:21<GinoMan>common library, common programming language
23:21<GinoMan>common library
23:21<GinoMan>gtk
23:21<GinoMan>gtk is the likely source of the bus error
23:21<Jpdota>and all apparently use a bus :P
23:21<GinoMan>try reinstalling or downgrading your gtk library
23:21<GinoMan>see if that repairs the problem
23:21<adb>the proprietary driver is instaled ? and X is adapted/restart ?
23:22<adb>restarted*
23:22<Jpdota>adb: yep, running the nvidia proprietary drivers, and i've had them installed for a while
23:22<GinoMan>now if only nvidia would open source their drivers
23:22<Jpdota>they've been fine for me, so i don't think they're the problem
23:22<Jpdota>yeah...
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23:22<GinoMan>then we could make a Linux game library
23:23<GinoMan>ok... I'm still without a familiar grub environment
23:23<Jpdota>adb: i get a couple errors in /var/log/messages when i run a broken program
23:23<adb>Jpdota: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep "nvidia"
23:24<adb>get what ?
23:24<Jpdota>Driver "nvidia"
23:25<adb>and in terminal do "compiz"
23:25<Jpdota>pastebin pm'd to you
23:26<adb>i just installed compiz and it worked for me on nvidia tot
23:26<adb>too*
23:26<Jpdota>adb: yeah, compiz works fine, i do get an error about glx, but could it be related to that pastebin i sent you?
23:26<Jpdota>some sort of hard drive error?
23:27<adb>glxgears works ?
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23:28<Jpdota>yes
23:28<adb>i don't have glx , but compis run ok , have cube and all
23:28<Jpdota>yeah same
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23:28<adb>so i thought it is a nvidia glx problem
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23:29<Jpdota>adb: well no, compiz runs and everything, it just complains abouit glx
23:30<adb>same here
23:30<Jpdota>hmm
23:30<kenshi>Section "Module" \ Load "glx" \ Endsection
23:30<adb>ah
23:30<kenshi>on xorg.conf
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23:33<GinoMan>what is syslinux
23:34<GinoMan>could that be the reason my grub is weird
23:34<GinoMan>?
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23:37<adb>kenshi , ah gone . thx
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23:37<adb>tks*
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23:38<Jpdota>hmm
23:38<Jpdota>well it seems the problem is limited to my debian install....
23:38<Jpdota>i just booted into fedora (where i am now)
23:38<Jpdota>and there are no such problems
23:39<Jpdota>so i guess that's good, because i thought my hard drive was failing :P
23:39<adb>well here worked
23:39<Jpdota>what worked?
23:39<GinoMan>it just removed discover... is that bad?
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23:40<Jpdota>adding the "glx" line?
23:40<adb>glxinfo
23:40<adb>yes
23:40<Jpdota>alright, adb im going to reboot into debian
23:40<Jpdota>when i get there mind telling me what i need to do?
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23:40<Jpdota>(brb)
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23:41<Shaddy>is anyone else having trouble contacting http://cdimage.debian.org/
23:41<Shaddy>?
23:41<Shaddy>i can'
23:41<Shaddy>t get through, and was told by email that it should be up and available
23:42<adb>here is ok
23:43<GinoMan>jp: it's a program bug
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23:44<Shaddy>cheers adb
23:44<adb>heh
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23:45<Jpdota>ok adb, what was it i need to change?
23:46<adb>add Section "Module" \ Load "glx" \ Endsection
23:46<Shaddy>sorry adb, were you saying 'here is ok' as in you can contact http://cdimage.debian.org/?
23:46<adb>at the end of xorg.conf
23:47<adb>Shaddy: yes
23:47<Jpdota>adb alright, i'll be back after i restart X :)
23:47<adb>htp://www.debian.org/CD/?
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23:47<Shaddy>thanks again. i wonder what my ISP is doing then :S
23:47<adb>np
23:48<Shaddy>http://www.debian.org/CD/ is ok for me
23:48<Shaddy>just can't get to cdimage.debian.org
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23:48<adb> cdimage.debian.org redirect to htp://www.debian.org/CD/
23:48<Shaddy>oops. it's working again now
23:49<Shaddy>i mean going through http://cdimage.debian.org/
23:49<Shaddy>cool
23:49<Shaddy>thanks for the help
23:49<GinoMan>ok... I still have a bunchh of random .mod files in my /boot/grub/ dir and no "menu.lst"
23:49<adb>welcome
23:49<GinoMan>but there's a couple other ".lst" files in there
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23:52<GinoMan>my system is gonna be unbootable I bet when I restart
23:52<GinoMan>:(
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23:54<Jpdota>adb: no such luck, didn't solve the problem :(
23:55<adb>Jpdota: http://paste.debian.net/31038/
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23:55<Jpdota>adb: yeah i did thata
23:55<adb>hmm
23:55<Jpdota>adb: strangely enough though, i can now click links again :P
23:56<Jpdota>adb: how did you make compiz your default window manager?
23:57<Jpdota>perhaps i did that wrong
23:57<adb>i do only "compiz" in a terminal after i enter in gnome
23:58<Jpdota>hmm
23:59<adb>this is for the fist time, a restart of X boot direct in gnome+ compiz
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