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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-21

---Logopened Sat Mar 21 00:00:02 2009
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00:00<Cliffmas>hi i just downloaded the cd distribution of debian and i'm trying to create a VMWARE Virtual Machine.
00:00<stuart>Piet: so need to download/install ATI's drivers? Do they get bundled with distributions like NVidia's do?
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00:01<stuart>or is it strictly self service
00:01<Cliffmas>Debian is not listed as distribution
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00:02<stuart>Does debian include ATI
00:02<Cliffmas>i have to choose "other linux" but i can't find the version of the kernel
00:02<stuart>as it does nvidia
00:02<Cliffmas>which kernel is it ?
00:03<stew>stuart: debian provides free drivers for some ati and some nvidia cards. It doesn't provide the non-free drivers needed to get accelleration on some cards from either vendor
00:03<stuart>stew: will compiz likely play nice if I download ATi's driver?
00:04<stew>no idea
00:04<Cliffmas>2.6.26 ?
00:05<stew>!kernels
00:05<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.28.8, prepatch: 2.6.29-rc8, snapshot: 2.6.29-rc8-git5, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1
00:05<stew>no
00:05<stew>that's not what you want
00:05<stew>judd: kernels
00:05<judd>stew: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); sid: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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00:05<Cliffmas>allright thanks
00:06<Piet>Cliffmas: this is totally offtopic here, but choose ubuntu and 2.6
00:06<Cliffmas>hum
00:06<Cliffmas>i thought i'd choose other linux kernel 2.6.x ? why ubuntu ?
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00:07<Cliffmas>sorry if it is offtopic
00:07<Piet>since ubuntu is similar to debian, and there are templates for ubuntu, anbd i never had any issues with this combination on debian
00:07<Cliffmas>good
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00:08<Cliffmas>thanks
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00:08<Piet>"other linux" will be more compatible, thus less tweaked, thus more likely to be slow or cause issues
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00:09<Cliffmas>okay i'll try it
00:09<Cliffmas>thx bye
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00:42<Hurdix>Anyone??
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00:44<ml>!ask
00:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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00:49<Syirrus>I'm really digging Lenny
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00:53<simonrvn>in soviet russia, lenny digs you
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00:59<Syirrus>:P
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01:12<doom_buggy>running lenny. i want to be able to grab packages via svn
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01:13<doom_buggy>i'm after the command line tool
01:13<doom_buggy>dont see it in the repos... someone hold my hand pls... i'm just not getting this
01:14*doom_buggy grabs his blanky
01:15<tcsetattr>the svn command is in the "subversion" package
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01:16<doom_buggy>yeah. just saw that as i was installing esvn. thx anyway. i think it's nap time anyway
01:17<doom_buggy>less sleep = more noobish questions
01:17<doom_buggy>night night
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01:50<enouf>judd versions rapidsvn
01:50<judd>enouf: rapidsvn -- etch: 0.9.4-1 lenny: 0.9.6-1 sid: 0.9.6-1 squeeze: 0.9.6-1
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02:07<noidea>hi
02:08<noidea>someone help me decide between gnome or kde pls
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02:33<Piet>i'm trying to understand whether or not this bug is fixed in xen-common 3.2.0: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437127
02:33<Piet>i guess it's not, right?
02:34<Piet>xen-utils-common 3.2.0-2, not xen-common
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03:09<|moka|>howdy
03:09<|moka|>lol
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03:10<|moka|>is #debian always like this? pin drop silence =:D
03:11<tcsetattr>gets noisier in daytime
03:11<|moka|>well it is daytime here in auz
03:11<|moka|>:)
03:12<|moka|>i like that nick lol
03:12<|moka|>damn i haven't been here in oftc for a while now
03:12<|moka|>infact 2 years
03:13<|moka|>well i can't
03:13<|moka|>my nickname isn't even ghosted
03:13<jrodger>|moka|: where you from?
03:13<|moka|>some staffer could perhaps ghost it
03:13<|moka|>jrodger: australia
03:14<|moka|>wrong channel
03:14<|moka|>oops
03:14<jrodger>|moka|: which bit,
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03:15<|moka|>jrodger: whadday mean bud?
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03:17<jrodger>|moka|: where in Oz you from?
03:17<|moka|>jrodger: AU (adelaide)
03:17<|moka|>SA
03:17<|moka|>jrabbit: and you?
03:18<|moka|>jrodger: and you?
03:18<|moka|>sorry jrabbit woke you up from your hiberatnion
03:18<|moka|>lol
03:18<jrodger>Aaaaah, you from the serial killer capital.......I
03:18<jrodger>am from Sydney
03:18<|moka|>jrodger: yeah whatever
03:18<|moka|>;)
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03:19<jrodger>hahaha......gotta go there for an office relocation soon.....not a bad place like Melbourne
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03:19<|moka|>jrodger: yeah
03:19<|moka|>catch ya dude
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03:24<jrodger>ok
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03:25<nepbabu>jrodger: rodger that
03:25<nepbabu>lol
03:25<nepbabu>:) bb with irssis
03:25<nepbabu>irssi
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03:31<nepbabu>yo
03:32<vitamin4o1>hello
03:32<nepbabu>vitamin4o1: how goes mate
03:32<vitamin4o1>it is perfect :)
03:32<vitamin4o1>early in the morning i drink a beer :)
03:33<vitamin4o1>today is saturdey :)
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03:33<nepbabu>lol
03:33<nepbabu>:P
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03:34<nepbabu>vitamin4o1: drinking cola
03:34<nepbabu>:)
03:34<nepbabu>vitamin4o1: is this channel always dead like this?
03:34<vitamin4o1>i dont know, i am here from yesterday
03:35<nepbabu>pheww its been a while since i last used oftc
03:35<nepbabu>oh
03:35<nepbabu>:)
03:35<nepbabu>feels good
03:35<vitamin4o1>but i think .. that if every man here start talking .. it will be a mess :D
03:35<nepbabu>why?
03:36<nepbabu>chat channels are for chatting aren't they bud?
03:36<vitamin4o1>there are 372 users here :)
03:36<nepbabu>o yeah everyone
03:36<vitamin4o1>yes they are :D
03:36<nepbabu>missed that part
03:36<nepbabu>lol
03:36<vitamin4o1>are u a debian user for a long time?
03:36<nepbabu>alrighty i'll idle as others then.. gday to you
03:36<nepbabu>yeah been a while
03:37<nepbabu>:)
03:37<nepbabu>its not my expertise because i do programming
03:37<nepbabu>not sysadmin stuff
03:37<nepbabu>and u?
03:37<nepbabu>i gtg
03:37<vitamin4o1>i like debian from a long time ..
03:37<nepbabu>:)
03:38<vitamin4o1>and using it on my home machine and some other machines
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03:38<vitamin4o1>but i am waiting for kde 4 to come to debian testing
03:39<vitamin4o1>not only in kde4.debian.net ..
03:39<vitamin4o1>thank you Ana for this :)
03:40<vitamin4o1>nepbabu: what are you programming ?
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03:45<lvdz>hi
03:46<Dyno>hey
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03:55<ufo49>Hi all
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04:02<khirr>hello, i'd like to know if i use asterisk i could call to my server and since that placee can call to other line using rates voip?
04:02<nepbabu>vitamin4o1: last project was on medical visualisation using things like wxwidgets, dcmtk, opencv etc...
04:03<vitamin4o1>oo it sounds seriously
04:03<nepbabu>vitamin4o1: wasn't too bad
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04:04<soparin>привет всем
04:04<vitamin4o1>privet :)
04:04<soparin>ты кто?
04:04<vitamin4o1>bratu6ka :)
04:05<soparin>а чего транслитом?
04:05<vitamin4o1>?
04:05<soparin>я в первый раз
04:06<vitamin4o1>how much people here speak russian .... i am not :)
04:06<vitamin4o1>but i have very little understanding
04:06<soparin>что здесь интересного?
04:06<gsimmons>!ru
04:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
04:06<soparin>Ok, we could speak English, if you wish
04:07<soparin>where are you from?
04:08<nepbabu>??? ?? ? :)
04:08<nepbabu>lol
04:08<vitamin4o1>:)
04:08<ufo49>Are some germans here?
04:08<vitamin4o1>soparin: i am from bulgaria
04:08<nepbabu>vitamin4o1: laterz bud
04:08*nepbabu beam me up scooty!
04:08<vitamin4o1>yeah
04:08<soparin>good
04:09<soparin>can I find some interesting here?
04:09<vitamin4o1>i dont know :)
04:09<vitamin4o1>what are you seeking?
04:09<vitamin4o1>maybe there are very interesting things ...
04:09<vitamin4o1>i am new in this channel
04:09<soparin>better... :)
04:10<soparin>I'm the same, first time to come
04:11<vitamin4o1>every "old dogs" keep silense maybe :)
04:11<soparin>I'm interesting in new programms for linux
04:11<vitamin4o1>today is saturday and i am happy .. i drink beer now :)
04:11<vitamin4o1>cheers
04:11<soparin>O!
04:11<vitamin4o1>this is debian channel :)
04:12<soparin>where? At home?
04:12<vitamin4o1>yes, i am in home
04:12<vitamin4o1>relaxing in the early morning (chuckle)
04:12<soparin>I see
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04:13<vitamin4o1>what new program for linux you are intersted ?
04:13<vitamin4o1>if i can help with something ..
04:13<fxiny>soparin: which desktop env are you using ?
04:13<soparin>but I can't do the same because I'm gjing to drive soon
04:13<soparin>going
04:13<soparin>jabber
04:13<vitamin4o1>maybe later you will :)
04:14<vitamin4o1>i am using kde
04:14<vitamin4o1>kopete have support for jabber ..
04:14<soparin>I'm using Ubuntu with Xcfe desktop
04:14<vitamin4o1>linus torvalds also use kde, i know this from his blog :)
04:15<fxiny>ubuntu is not supported here
04:15<soparin>I see
04:15<vitamin4o1>you must install debian
04:15<soparin>but I like pidgin
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04:15<soparin>but there is a problem with it
04:15<vitamin4o1>pidgin is gnome-based
04:15<fxiny>iirc linus uses gnome
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04:16<fxiny>that's why i have kde installed . kde needs support
04:16<vitamin4o1>i read an interview .. where linux said, that he is using kde
04:16<soparin>Ok, I'll try another chat, thanks
04:16<fxiny>but i don't use kde ,i just keep an eye to it
04:16<vitamin4o1>soparin: dont forget the beer later :) cheers
04:17<soparin>of course!
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04:17<soparin>I can't use KDE desktop, because of EEE PC nettop
04:18<fxiny>as a user i should not leave the sinking ship . so my best wish to kde developpers
04:19<soparin>sorry, EEE PC netbook
04:19<soparin>buy
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04:25<debam>hi to all,what is driver for linear tape open tape?
04:25<debam>LTO5??
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04:34<Supaplex>debam: something scsi usually. and/or fibrechannel... how's it connected to the system? scsi will be /dev/st*. check dmesg for details, or lshw, hwinfo etc for clues
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04:36<debam>Supaplex, thanks..i am going to buy HP DL 380 Quad Core Xeon E5430 based servers with SAS 300 GB disks,for NAS implementation HP DL 380 G5 and LTO Tape Drive (800 GB capacity)
04:36<debam>Supaplex, will it work on debian lenny?
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04:57<Supaplex>debam: I'm not sure. There's a pretty good chance, but I don't know.
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05:00<debam>Supaplex, by googling in kernel documentation i got cciss is driver but in supported devices E5430, DL 380 G5 is not mentioned.
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05:25<ottoshmidt>somethings wrong with www.backports?.org
05:25<ottoshmidt>backports.org
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05:26<ottoshmidt>?
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05:32<liuchihneng>njkn
05:32<liuchihneng>nnn,
05:32<liuchihneng>,m,nhjffh
05:33<liuchihneng>no body
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05:35<ml>ottoshmidt: it's not coming up for me either
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05:36<marko>hi
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05:37<chahibi>Hello
05:38<chahibi>How can I list the packages that come from a certain repository (say backports)?
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05:40<ml>!backports
05:40<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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05:42<chahibi>What is dpkg to command to signal abuse of "!..." messages
05:42<chahibi>It is annoying at some point, when the remark is irrelevant
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06:23<patrikf>how can I get a list of installed files and their supposed access mode from dpkg?
06:24<patrikf>after my hoster restored from their backups, my vserver doesn't have a single setuid bit set
06:24<chahibi>patrikf, supposed access mode?
06:24<patrikf>yeah, i.e. with what mode it was installed from the package
06:26<pawel>I have old computer, AVR ATmega32 evaluation board and STK200 programmer (LPT). I tried to program this board with UISP and AVRDUDE (with device /dev/parport0 and auto device which is trying to program via /dev/parport0), but I always get the same error "Cannot open device /dev/parport0: No such file or directory". I executed "modprobe parport && modprobe parport_pc" but the same error appears. There is /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0 directory
06:26<pawel>but no device node. Photos and output of "ls /dev/ > ls_dev_with_parport.txt" are at http://pkkm.oxyhost.com/tosh/. Can someone help me?
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06:34<llutz>pawel: modprobe lp ppdev
06:35<pawel>does someone know how to create device node for parallel port?
06:35<pawel>thanks
06:35<pawel>I'll try
06:35<llutz>pawel: sry "modprobe -a lp ppdev"
06:35<valdyn>pawel: which distro are you running that this is not automatic?
06:36<pawel>text mode debian installed from newest newinstall bout 3 weeks ago only text mode
06:36<pawel>computer pentium 2 3gb hdd 64m ram
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06:37<Diels-Alder>salve
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06:38<valdyn>pawel: so probably a plain isa no hotplug parpart
06:38<valdyn>pawel: still weird
06:39<pawel>thank you very much!
06:39<pawel>parport works!
06:39<llutz>pawel: add those modules to /etc/modules, which will load them at boottime in future
06:40<llutz>(which already should have happened)
06:41<valdyn>!repository
06:41<dpkg>from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>.
06:41<valdyn>!listkeys repository
06:41<dpkg>Factoid search of 'repository' by key (9): repository ;; _default repository ;; _default repository howto ;; #debian repository ;; repository howto ;; start a repository war ;; debian repository ;; #debian debian repository ;; _default debian repository.
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06:43<valdyn>patrikf: tried debsums?
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06:48<patrikf>valdyn: I will, thanks
06:48<patrikf>(as soon as my hoster sets "sudo" setuid again ;-))
06:50<valdyn>!reinstall
06:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
06:51<valdyn>patrikf: if debsums doesnt yield broken files.. ^^
06:51<patrikf>yeah, that's what I see myself do already. :D
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06:58<noidea>hi guys, is the flashplugin-nonfree included in another package or obsolete?
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07:02<debam>hi to all,is there any nice gui for rfid reader?
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07:07<jrodger>how do you "clean up" the aptitude cache?
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07:11<valdyn>jrodger: whats dirty with your aptitude cache?
07:14<valdyn>noidea: its only in sid or as flashplayer-mozilla in dmm
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07:18<niccolo>hi to all...
07:19<niccolo>i neet do have a share that is writable by windows vista...in my smb.conf i have a share security setting and in the share settings i have public = yes and writable = yes...but it isn't writable by vista home basic...why??
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07:21<eanda>morning all. can anyone help me out configuring audacious? I can't make it read my audio cdrom. I have the audio cd plugin install, i think i just cant figure out what my cd device is actually call
07:22<cahoot>check dmesg
07:24<eanda>ok i'll look
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07:27<maxb>jrodger: Do you mean the apt cache of downloaded packages?
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07:32<eanda>cahoot ok I found what debian is calling my dvd players. they are /dev/hda and /dev/hdc. When I go to audacious though and tell it to load a playlist from either of the devices it still doesn't work
07:32<variable>does anybody had try google chrome on debian?
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07:34<cahoot>eanda: trying /dev/cdrom0 or /dev/dvd is no better?
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07:36<eanda>cahoot: yeah I have tried both of those before
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07:41<jrodger>maxb: yes mate, my /var partition says it is full when I am trying to reconfigure cups
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07:43<maxb>Right, you have two options - delete all the packages, or delete only the ones which are no longer referenced by any Packages files.
07:43<maxb>apt-get clean for the first, apt-get autoclean for the second
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07:44<jrodger>maxb: will give them a go
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07:45<jrodger>get an error about mmap and no space left on the device
07:46<maxb>Trying clean, or autoclean?
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07:48<jrodger>autoclean
07:48<donza>im pretty sure there is a bug in debian installer
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07:48<donza>it keeps telling me boot partition is not on the first primary partition
07:49<jrodger>The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
07:49<donza>http://img.skitch.com/20090321-xcu4m7bub2wwudrynbasmdruar.jpg
07:49<donza>http://img.skitch.com/20090321-jyu77pjr1jfn9q9biyjdxfp4j1.jpg
07:49<donza>im doing software raid-1
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07:51<jrodger>maxb: is okay, ran an apt-get clean and the problem disappeared
07:51<LiCeT>hi all
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07:55<client>i am having a problem with my wireless connection. everytime i loose connectivity i have to disable and enable my wireless to get the signal back
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07:55<client>it seems like its reconnecting by itself
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07:57<jesperj>since it seems that lame mp3 encoder is not available in Debian, I need an alternative to it that encodes mp3 files from stdout
07:58<jesperj>suggestions?
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08:01<gsimmons>jesperj: lame is available from dmm.
08:02<jesperj>dmm?
08:02<gsimmons>!tell jesperj -about dmm
08:03<jesperj>thank you
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08:05<jesperj>gsimmons: I wish you a good day. thank you for your help.
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08:13<ottoshmidt>how do I know whether I have a stable version of debian installed
08:13<ottoshmidt>?
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08:14<Maulkin>ottoshmidt: cat /etc/debian_version
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08:14<ottoshmidt>5.0
08:15<Maulkin>Then yes, you do
08:15<ottoshmidt>and, can I allow it to update to unstable?
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08:50<ottoshmidt>I am experiencing probs with backports.org site and could anyone provide me with backports index for Lenny, please
08:51<fxiny>lenny backports already avaiable ?
08:52<fxiny>wt4x !
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08:53<fxiny>ottoshmidt: what lenny backports do you want ? which packages ?
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08:54<ottoshmidt>deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
08:54<ottoshmidt>the page loaded :)
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08:56<fxiny>can't load it here , but *you* , which packages are you looking for ?
08:56<fxiny>i'm curious , lenny has been release like yesterday
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08:57<noidea>hi, where can i d/l flashplugin-nonfree?
08:58<fxiny>flash ? i use dmm flashplayer-mozilla , sometimes ...
08:59<ottoshmidt>fxiny, ooo 3.0
08:59<noidea>fxiny, can i get those through apt-get?
08:59<abrotman>noidea: /msg dpkg dmm
08:59<fxiny>noidea: yes : /msg dpkg dmm
08:59<fxiny>oops
08:59<noidea>ok thanks alot guys
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09:00<fxiny>ottoshmidt: can't load bpo , but if you managed to load bpo sources just search for it
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09:02<ottoshmidt>fxiny, http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/Release.gpg: Connection failed
09:02<ottoshmidt>do u mean this by can't load?
09:02<fxiny>ottoshmidt: ad i said i can't connect to bpo , no idea why
09:03<ottoshmidt>bpo site?
09:03<fxiny>yes
09:03<ottoshmidt>it has been working extremely sluggishly for me since this morning
09:04<fxiny>is not working at all now . here
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09:04<fxiny>it answers to pings , just that
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09:06<ottoshmidt>kind of the same here
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09:13<gsimmons>ottoshmidt: Use a mirror; http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/backports.org/README.mirrors.html
09:14<ottoshmidt>thanks
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09:14<jo_>hallo zusammen
09:15<jo_>hallllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
09:15<jo_>testes
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09:16<jo_>hallo zusamen
09:16<llutz>!de
09:16<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
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09:26<gnewb>Is X-Chat the recommended or preferred IRC doo-hicky , I saw three or four on the Debian site?
09:27<patrikf>i don't think any IRC client is recommended, use whatever you like best
09:27<gnewb>Thank you.
09:27<fxiny>irssi
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09:28<blzub>hi all
09:28<gnewb>I am getting too old to use text based or terminal utilities nowadays.
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09:28<llutz>gnewb: the older i get, the more i prefer them :)
09:28<fxiny>heheh
09:28<LiCeT>:D
09:29<patrikf>gnewb: then Linux might not be what you want ;)
09:29<gnewb>I am learning, a day without learning is a day wasted.
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09:31<fxiny>lazyness is my favourite muse : i'm so lazy i let xmonad automagically opening mutt in a term for me , and closing it :P
09:31<fxiny>a must for a any mutt lover :P
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09:32<morph>hi!
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09:33<gnewb>I could not get into the inetd thing to alter the output of the box, I am still playing with that stuff.Is not that I wish to spoof, is that I have an awareness about security, just have yet to learn how to properly implement it on this kernel. (yet)
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09:34<mepk>where can find kernel 2.6.28.8 64 bit?
09:35<gnewb>Distro Watch. I think
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09:36<gnewb>Look at Debian first to make certain that it works or is stable on (x) system.
09:36<mepk> where can find kernel 2.6.28.8 for 64 bit?
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09:37<gnewb>mepk: Intel?
09:37<mepk>yes
09:38<gnewb>http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ <<look there
09:38<mepk>ia can work well?
09:38<gnewb>Says Debian Woody supports it.
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09:39<gnewb>Also says something about HP firmware
09:39<gnewb>and more in the manual!
09:39<llutz>ia64 = Itanium, not general intel 64bit
09:41<gnewb>Ok, thank you
09:42<mepk>thanks to you two
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09:42<gnewb>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/release-notes/ <<that one
09:42<gnewb>maybe
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09:54<newworld>xwd
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09:55<gnewb>Is it is acceptable to move or copy some of this into a gNewSence distro?
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09:59<gnewb>Nevermind. I just found that it is.
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10:02<gnewb>I need to resize this HDD so I can put gnewsense on it also.
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10:31<Hirschkuh>hoi
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10:32<comdas>hi hi
10:32<Hirschkuh>ive got a problem: my partition table is kinda messed up, programs like fdisk, cfdisk nad gparted show me an error about overlapping logical partition, but all partitions exist as device and i can mount them normally, i just cant change the partition table....how can i fix it? is there a tool?
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10:37<dr|z3d>Hirschkuh: fsck might help.
10:37<llutz>nope
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10:38<Hirschkuh>i though fsck is only for the filesystem
10:38<llutz>it is
10:39<Jurij>привет
10:39<Hirschkuh>but i got probs with the partition table
10:39<avu>!ru
10:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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10:41<djupp>hey guys
10:41<djupp>(and girls)
10:41<djupp>as on every reinstall, I got issues with my broadcom4328. anybody know something about that?
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10:43<gsimmons>djupp: What specific issues?
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10:45<valex66>Ciao
10:45<valex66>!list
10:45<dpkg>one warez list being sent to valex66
10:46<djupp>gsimmons, I can't even get my status light to be activated. I compiled a kernel module 'wl' which, when inserted throws a kernel tainted error. Just don't know how to proceed
10:46<snogglethorpe>!list
10:46<dpkg>one warez list being sent to snogglethorpe
10:46<djupp>e.g. specific issue would be 'not working at all'
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10:50<gsimmons>djupp: Disregard the kernel tainted error for the moment. Was an interface created for your device after loading wl? (ifconfig -a)
10:51<djupp>nope
10:51<djupp>the only way I can see the broadcom even after loading the wl module is in lspci
10:52<djupp>lspci: 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 01)
10:52<llutz>djupp: are other broadcom-modules loaded?
10:52<djupp>yop, b44 for ethernet, and I'm not sure whether smb is one, seems to be related though
10:52<djupp>sorry, ssb
10:53<gsimmons>djupp: You'll need to remove the b43 and ssb modules (if loaded), prior to loading wl.
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10:53<djupp>I did write a little bashscript that should do that on reboot
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10:53<djupp>modprobe -r b43 b44 ssb wl
10:53<llutz>djupp: there's a readme on broadcoms site, which explains what modules are to be blacklisted
10:53<djupp>then modprobe wl, modprobe b44
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10:54<djupp>I saw that, it seems that I need ssb though, so I still have to load it after loading wl?
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11:00<djupp>well I guess if that don't work I'll just go back to ubuntu then until this issue is fixed (don't think it's a bug, it might just be the older kernel)
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11:25<fxiny>ls
11:25<fxiny>:)
11:25<scientes>(:
11:25<fxiny>wrong tab
11:26<scientes>:)
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11:45<client>i am having an issue with my wireless and i don't know whats causing the problem.... very often the connection dies and does not reconnect until i disable and enable wan0 from my network-admin. this never use to happen.... what could be causing this?
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11:50<dato>hello
11:51*gravity waves to dato
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11:51<dato>hey gravity
11:51<dato>I was hoping somebody could give me quick indications about how to reproduce a DVD dump in a way that menus are shown, etc.
11:51<dato>I have a directory with *.{BUP,IFO,VOB} files
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11:53<ottoshmidt>dato, where are you from?
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11:54<dato>well I'm from Spain, though I'm not sure how's that relevant. just in case, the .VOB files are playable on their own, i.e. are not encrypted.
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11:55<ottoshmidt>dato, is a common name in Georgia, that;s why I asked :) never mind
11:55<dato>ottoshmidt: oh
11:55<dato>ottoshmidt: ok
11:55<dato>ottoshmidt: what is common, "Adeodato"?
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11:56<ottoshmidt>no, Dato (David)
11:56*nepbabu is smashed
11:56*fxiny talks to the parrot
11:56<nepbabu>had too much to drink
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11:56<nepbabu>whatttt upppppppppppppp!!!!!
11:57<nepbabu>:D
11:57*nepbabu is typoing smashingly
11:57<dato>ottoshmidt: ah, interesting. had no idea about that. my "Dato", as you can see, comes from something else.
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11:57<ottoshmidt>I see
11:59<fxiny>adeodato ? sounds familiar in debianland
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11:59<fxiny>lemme see
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11:59<nepbabu>fxiny: get a life
11:59<nepbabu>fucking parrot
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12:00<fxiny>nepbabu: there is no parrots here :P
12:00<nepbabu>i am smasssheeeeddd guys
12:00<fxiny>are*
12:00<nepbabu>oh
12:00<nepbabu>~30 bears, couple of wine and vodkha
12:01<nepbabu>smassshhhhheeed
12:01<nepbabu>wyahhhh
12:01<gravity>nepbabu: We don't care. Please, for your sake and ours, stop.
12:01*nepbabu is about to puke
12:01<nepbabu>gravity: sure i am off to bed
12:01<nepbabu>:D
12:01<nepbabu>nite
12:02<nepbabu>you all are invited next time
12:02<nepbabu>adelaide, South Australia
12:02<nepbabu>50000
12:02<nepbabu>5000
12:03<fxiny>ahhhhh "Supongo que podría decirse que el principal propósito" , heheeh
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12:04<nepbabu>tero bau
12:07<fxiny>nepbabu: adelaide ? lemme take my oilskin out :P
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12:07<gcs>Hi, anyone familiar with cdbs here?
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12:07<familia>iales
12:08<familia>#triviales
12:08<familia>canales
12:08<familia>ola
12:08<familia>aaaaaaaaaa
12:08<familia>aaaaaaaaa
12:08<familia>a
12:08<familia>a
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12:08<fxiny>no mercy :P
12:09<nepbabu>fxiny: yeah the autumns apppproaching though :)
12:10<nepbabu>still nice weather down under
12:11<fxiny>nepbabu: equinoxial talks :)
12:11<nepbabu>fxiny: damn my heads spinning need sleep
12:12<nepbabu>nite nite
12:12<nepbabu>gday to you fxiny
12:12<fxiny>nite . take care
12:12<nepbabu>too much alcohol in the system
12:12<nepbabu>suprisingly i can type weall
12:12<nepbabu>:)
12:13<nepbabu>laterz
12:13<fxiny>nepbabu: you typing weall like me :P
12:13<nepbabu>:)
12:15<Geek`N`Proud>exim4 on a default desktop Debian installation can submit emails when using reportbug right?
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12:21<path>yes it can Geek`N`Proud
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12:27<Gun_Smoke>I am planning on moving about 40G over the network to a remote location. I cannot guarantee the destination will stay up for the ~5 days this is going to take. Any recommendations on protocol to use? scp sftp rsync ?
12:27<llutz>rsync
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12:29<Gun_Smoke>alright.. won't matter if the destination reboots every other day or so? And should I break it up in say 1G pieces or non of it will matter?
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12:43<langone>http://k_crew.xdccing.com/GET?bot=CiAk|CoSaNoStRa&pack=17&packname=Documentari+Top+Secret+Il+Codice+Da+Vinci+I+Templa
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12:44<zxd__>is there a command I can use to auto pass from a package the depends list to aptitude ?
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12:45<SeLEct>hello ppl
12:45<SeLEct>"'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'" This is for mysql
12:45<SeLEct>how can i fix this?
12:45<Gun_Smoke>zxd__, I don't really understand that.. You want to redirect the list of dependencies?
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12:46<zxd__>Gun_Smoke: package has dependencies ? I want to extract that list and have it aptitude install them
12:47<zxd__>install of getting an error when doing dpkg -i package.deb
12:47<llutz>zxd__:" aptitude -f install " after dpkg -i package
12:47<Gun_Smoke>that should do it
12:47<llutz>_if_ dependencies are solvable
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12:48<zxd__>i tried with apt-get and it didnt work well
12:48<zxd__>I will give aptitude another try
12:49<Gun_Smoke>right.. meaning you should make sure that you have all the needed repos enabled.
12:49<seanius>Manoj: SeLEct did you uninstall and reinstall mysql to get this problem?
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12:49<SeLEct>seanius kinda, i upgraded it
12:49<SeLEct>apt-get upgrade
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12:50<haxi>hello, I just bought a new mic, but I can't get it working, whatever input source in alsamixer, I have nothing.. any idea?
12:51<seanius>SeLEct: from what to what? in the worst case you could reset the password for that user, but it's a bit messy and i wonder why you're having that problem in the first place
12:51<SeLEct>seanius what password doues it use?
12:51<seanius>SeLEct: it should be in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
12:51<munga>how can I ask dpkg or apt-get for the complete url of a package in a remote repository ?
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12:54<SeLEct>seanius thank you, and im using version 2.1 but the 3.x is out. when i try apt-get upgrade phpmyadmin there is noting to upgrade
12:54<SeLEct>why?
12:55<SeLEct>phpmyadmin that is
12:55<SeLEct>ive tried apt-get update
12:56<SeLEct>maybe i missed some stuff in sources.list?
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12:57<themill>munga: --print-uris (man apt-get)
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12:58<themill>SeLEct: what version of debian is this?
12:59<SeLEct>themill don't laugh now hahaa, was a while since i used this machine
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12:59<SeLEct>how to check that? :P
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12:59<themill>SeLEct: cat /etc/debian_version
12:59<SeLEct>5.0
12:59<themill>!stable
12:59<dpkg>hmm... stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
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13:00<themill>SeLEct: phpmyadmin version 3 will never be part of debian 5.0
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13:01<SeLEct>ahh its not stable is that cuzz of that?
13:01<SeLEct>ahh
13:01<SeLEct>so i have to manually install it if i want it?
13:01<SeLEct>ok
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13:22<niccolo>hi to all...i have a question: i see the windows and the fonts of the Gnome GUI too big on my LCD screen; can i modify the resolution to reduce the size of all?? :)
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13:24<dr|z3d>niccolo: Sure, change the DPI.
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13:24<comdas>why eclipse 3.2 is so slow in debian? :/
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13:28<zem>comdas: probably wrong java
13:28<comdas>zem, i have already changed to sun-java6
13:28<themill>did you "update-java-alternatives" too?
13:28<zem>then i don't have an idea
13:29<dr|z3d>niccolo: You might find http://blog.feradz.com/tag/font-dpi/ or use, although it's not specific to Debian.
13:29<comdas>themill, yes
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13:30<markimus>How would I go about getting a Broadcom 4312 wireless card to work in Lenny?
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13:31<markimus>I've tried the b43-fwcutter package, no dice.
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13:35<shel>checking in
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13:42<cahoot>markimus: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#supported
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13:51<urban>hallo
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14:02<sickie88>hello. And oh wow, that's a big channel (lots of visitors) :)
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14:05<niccolo>how can i discover the correct DPI setting for my monitor?
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14:07<niccolo>no one?
14:07<llutz>nikola77: members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
14:07<Torsten_W>niccolo: look here: http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
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14:09<niccolo>Torsten_W, i discover that Display size: 12" × 9" (30.48cm × 22.86cm) = 85.33 PPI, 0.2977mm dot pitch
14:09<niccolo>how can i put it on my xorg.conf
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14:11<deniz>does empathy support voice and webcam on MSN in squeeze?
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14:28<deniz>skype only offers .debs for etch i386?
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14:28<deniz>i have lenny amd64 and i tried to install it with --force-architecture and it's not working]
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14:30<Torsten_W>deniz: u have used tha static version?
14:30<Torsten_W>s/tha/the
14:30<deniz>Torsten_W, what's a static version
14:31<Torsten_W>deniz: there are 2 packages, shared and static
14:31<deniz>Torsten_W, and apt-get remove --purge doesn't even recognize skype is installed although i see it graphically in me menu
14:32<deniz>Torsten_W, http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ i choose debian etch's only available .deb file
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14:36<deniz>what's the difference between "Linux (x86) and BSD *combined uniprocessor and SMP client* (64-bit build)" and "Linux (x86) and BSD *combined uniprocessor and SMP client* (32-bit build; 64-bit OS required for SMP)" in folding@home?
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14:36<niccolo>how can i set DPI? i follow some tutorials, but when i test with xdpyinfo the results is 86x84 , and not 85x85
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14:39<petern>heh, mine comes up as 90x88
14:39<patrikf>niccolo: man xorg.conf, search for DisplaySize
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14:40<niccolo>patrikf, i have done...
14:41<llutz>niccolo: if you use kdm/gdm you'll have to change their configs, they override xorg.conf settings
14:41<niccolo>thanls llutz ...in effects i use gdm...
14:41<ozdeb>hi, can someone help me figure out how I can run debian's hibernate from the gnome-power-manager ?
14:42<ozdeb>gnome's page of FAQ is not really clear
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14:43<patrikf>ozdeb: g-p-m will use "pm-hibernate"
14:43<ozdeb>patrikf, can you please explain more ? my system fails with gnome power manager script. But hibernate works ok
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14:44<patrikf>ozdeb: try to get pm-hibernate to work. I think it can use various backends, read the manpage (man pm-hibernate) for more details
14:44<patrikf>ozdeb: the config is in /etc/pm
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14:45<ozdeb>ok, I can look at it. But would it be just easier to use hibernate as is ? i just want to customize the gnome button
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14:47<lvdz>in which file can i add some tty ?
14:48<lvdz>and do i need to reboot to make it effective ?
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14:50<ozdeb>patrikf, the man page says the config files are in /etc/pm/config.d but this directory is empty on my debian
14:51<llutz>lvdz: /etc/inittab
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14:51<patrikf>ozdeb: yeah, you can create a file and put your settings there
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14:51<lvdz>ah yeah thank you
14:51<patrikf>ozdeb: the pm-hibernate man page has all the details, see FILES and CONFIGURATION VARIABLES sections
14:52<lvdz>thanks guys
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14:53<binarymutant>if I do aptitude -s --visual-preview install sbcl why doesn't it simulate?
14:53<ozdeb>patrikf, sorry, I don't understand the terminology in the man page. If I need to create a file, then what is the name ? the man page is not clear.
14:54<patrikf>ozdeb: anything, call it "local" or "ozdeb" or whatever.
14:55<patrikf>ozdeb: many things in /etc are organized this way, mostly called directory*.d*/
14:55<ozdeb>patrikf, so I create a file called conf and in the I put the variable HIBERNATE= ?
14:55<patrikf>exactly
14:55<ozdeb>so I can link to the hibernate script ?
14:55<patrikf>oh, I don't know about HIBERNATE=
14:56<patrikf>I'm on my desktop, so I can't check what I did =)
14:56<patrikf>anyways, the .d configuration directories mean that all files there are used – that's useful if package XY wants to modify settings, and package ABC wants to modify settings too, both can just drop a file in there
14:56<patrikf>(instead of potentially overwriting each other's settings)
14:56<ozdeb>sorry it's HIBERNATE_MODE in the man page. Should I write the full path of hibernate ?
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14:59<patrikf>ozdeb: HIBERNATE_MODE is something different
14:59<patrikf>ozdeb: try SLEEP_MODULE=tuxonice
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15:00<patrikf>and then try hibernating with "sudo pm-hibernate", see if that does the trick
15:00<ozdeb>patrikf, I just came back from hibernate it works perfectly now
15:00<patrikf>:)
15:00<patrikf>should also work from GNOME then
15:00<ozdeb>I created a conf file and with it just one line - HIBERNATE_MODE=/usr/sbin/hibernate-disk
15:01<ozdeb>that does the trick, it is working from the g-p-m button
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15:03<ozdeb>sleep (s2ram) was working fine before, the only problem was s2disk (hibernate). I mostly use sleep but it is good to have hibernate to !
15:03<ozdeb>patrikf, I think the man page needs to be more clear about it. do you think it's worth opening a bug on it with sugestions to improve ?
15:04<EmleyMoor>I have greylisting in my exim config. Is there an easy way to make Facebook mail exempt?
15:04<patrikf>ozdeb: are you *sure* it was HIBERNATE_MODE= that fixed it? I really doubt that, can you try commenting the line (put a # in front of it) and try whether it still works?
15:05<ozdeb>I m not sure but I can check.
15:05<ozdeb>I know that before that, hibernate always refused to work
15:05<petemc>EmleyMoor: CONFDIR/local_sender_whitelist
15:06<ozdeb>patrikf, I chcek now. I might be gone for long if it fails
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15:06<EmleyMoor>petemc: What exactly do I put?
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15:10<deniz>When I insert an image in openoffice.org-writer I can't right on the right side of the image but only on the left side! What do I have to do in order to be able to write on the right side of the (tiny) image?
15:10<deniz>..i can't write on the right*..
15:10<EmleyMoor>I know where to put, I just can't see what to put
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15:13<ozdeb>patrikf, well, I am glad to tell you it is also working with out that line I put.
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15:14<patrikf>ozdeb: great... that really puzzled me, would be like some black magic involved ;-)
15:14<ozdeb>patrikf, so maybe upgrading to squeeze revived my hibernate abilities. Don't know... So now I have both suspend and hibrenate working via g-p-m let's hope it stays like this for long.
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15:15<ozdeb>patrikf, back in the days I used ubuntu it used to work with 6.06 then broke with 6.10 and then came back to 7.04, but I was already using debian etch... and then it didn't work, also with lenny
15:15<ozdeb>g-p-m is a weired beast
15:16<EmleyMoor>Am I going to have a long wait for a facebook mail or can I somehow mark it "greylist exempt"? I know where to whitelist it, just not what to put in there...
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15:17<patrikf>EmleyMoor, *@facebook.com, maybe?
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15:17<patrikf>EmleyMoor: what would the file be where you think you can whitelist it?
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15:18<EmleyMoor>host_local_deny_exceptions or local_sender_whitelist should work
15:18<EmleyMoor>Do things added there become live immediately or do I need to reload exim?
15:19<LiCeT>hi all
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15:36<LiCeT>may somebody tell me how to mount a second intern hdd?
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15:36<alexei009>привет
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15:37<chealer>LiCeT: just ask your question. one doesn't mount an hdd though, one mounts a filesystem
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15:38<LiCeT>sorry...absoute n00b here
15:38<Carry>t61p users in #debian?
15:39<EmleyMoor>t61p?
15:40<LiCeT>GParted tell me "/dev/hdb1" is not mounted
15:40<LiCeT>and i cant access the hdd
15:40*EmleyMoor tries to think of a 63-letter word beginning with t and ending with p
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15:40<EmleyMoor>LiCeT: What kind of filesystem is on it?
15:40<blarson>EmleyMoor: Sounds like a thinkpad model.
15:40<EmleyMoor>Ah, yes, could be
15:41<LiCeT>ext3
15:41<blarson>(I'm on a thinkpad z61m)
15:41<EmleyMoor>LiCeT: Where do you want it to appear on your system?
15:41<Carry>EmleyMoor: blarson yes, thinkpad
15:42<Carry>blarson: nvidia problem, suspend works but resume not
15:42<Carry>screen black..
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15:42<Carry>does reboot, screen remains black..
15:42<LiCeT>if possible in "My Computer"?!?
15:42<LiCeT>it appears...but cant be accessed
15:43<blarson>Carry: Did you try control-alt-f2 then alt-f7 after reboot?
15:43<EmleyMoor>LiCeT: You ned to mount that filesystem in a directory somewhere
15:43<EmleyMoor>need
15:43<blarson>(In other words, switch to console and back to X.)
15:43<LiCeT>:o
15:43<Carry>blarson: check it..
15:43<EmleyMoor>/disc2 maybe if you really don't know
15:44<s4br3>Hi, I lost my stereo sound a week ago. Surround is ok, at times. It was when I was updating the system, and bought new speakers during the same weekend. So, I thought it was the speakers. Apparently it is due to some pulseaudio/alsa conflict. It is reported for other distros too, but I have Debian Sid/Experimental. Anyone good with sound? I'm not... (
15:44<LiCeT>can u tell me how or show me some page where to read about it?
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15:45<s4br3>LiCeT, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1055236
15:45<EmleyMoor>LiCeT: If (a) that directory exists (b) that's where you want the filesystem, mount /dev/hdb1 /disc2
15:45<EmleyMoor>(mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /disc2)
15:46<LiCeT>so where the dir "disc2" have to be?
15:46<EmleyMoor>/disc2 is perfectly explicit - off /
15:47<EmleyMoor>Anyone any more advice on how I can whitelist facebook in exim?
15:48<Carry>blarson: hmm, no supend :(
15:48<Carry>shuts down...
15:48<LiCeT>give me 2 min...i'll try directly :)
15:48<Carry>again..
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15:52<LiCeT>is this something i have to make after each reboot?
15:52<s4br3>For example, speaker-test -t wav -c2 just gives sound in the "front left".
15:52<EmleyMoor>LiCeT: Yes, but there is a way to make it automatic
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15:52<Carry>hibernate works
15:52<EmleyMoor>Add this line to /etc/fstab:
15:53<EmleyMoor>/dev/hdb1 /disc2 ext3 defaults 0 2 (you may prefer tabs to spaces)
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15:55<comdas>apt-get upgrade tells me to download jdk-6u12-doc manually.. but i am not able to find this file!?
15:55<LiCeT>thank you very much :)
15:56<LiCeT>any idea how i can get my external hdd work :D ?
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15:58<lvdz>how many hds have you got :D ?
15:58<LiCeT>well...some :D
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15:59<LiCeT>it tells me "invalid mount option when attempting to mount ..."
16:00<LiCeT>seems unmounted too :o
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16:00<LiCeT>i'll try to mount
16:00<LiCeT>is there a way to get the symbols from mounted devices away from desktop?
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16:01<lvdz>what's the proc file system for ?
16:02<LiCeT>ntfs
16:02<lvdz>in my fstab proc doesnt have any path specified
16:02<lvdz>is it trouble ?
16:04<LiCeT>workin now ....
16:04<Defender>lvdz:It's a virtual folder showing hardware devices
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16:05<lvdz>oh yeah ok
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16:05<LiCeT>no access right to read
16:05<LiCeT>lol
16:06<lvdz>is it ok if i just have 'proc' under file system instead of /dev/sthg ?
16:06<lvdz>in fstab
16:06<Defender>leave things as thay are
16:07<Defender>don't mess up your system
16:07<LiCeT>hmmm...thats not good :(
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16:07<lvdz>hell no i won't mess up
16:07<lvdz>anyway ill upgrade to 5.0 soon so it's ok if things get a bit messy
16:07<lvdz>:)
16:08<EmleyMoor>LiCeT: You will need to set ownerships/permissions as you would with any filesystem
16:08<LiCeT>yeah...have to look how :)
16:08<LiCeT>recursive
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16:10<LiCeT>how do i get the icon from mounted devices away from desktop?
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16:10<EmleyMoor>How do you mean "get it away"?
16:10<LiCeT>hmmm...dont like to see them on desktop
16:10<patrikf>LiCeT: KDE, GNOME, ...?
16:10<LiCeT>i love clean desktops :D
16:10<LiCeT>gnome
16:11<Carry>blarson: looking at nvidia site...
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16:12<gcs>Hi, please give me an irc channel to discuss autoconf related things.
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16:12<patrikf>LiCeT: I don't find it in the GUI. with gconf-editor: /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible
16:13<LiCeT>lol..just without GUI ? :D
16:13<LiCeT>thx a lot
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16:14<patrikf>LiCeT: actually, there are quite some settings that you can't set in the GUI, because GNOME folks think they would just clutter the settings dialogs (with which they are certainly right to some extent)
16:14<Pitxyoki>LiCeT, Look at /apps/nautilus/desktop on gconf-editor.
16:15<LiCeT>ok...thx again...i'll try
16:15<LiCeT>absolute new to all this :p
16:15<Pitxyoki>Er...
16:15<Pitxyoki>I count gconf-editor as a GUI.
16:15<Pitxyoki>:|
16:15<Pitxyoki>I don't have to type any command to get there.
16:16<patrikf>well, yes, of course
16:16<patrikf>but you know what I mean, I think
16:16<patrikf>if you have suggestions on how to express that this isn't the normal way of setting options in GNOME, let me know ;-)
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16:16<Pitxyoki>It's not the most intuitive way of doing things. But you don't have to use the scary keyboard.
16:16<patrikf>woo-hoo.
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16:16<patrikf>nicely put :D
16:17<patrikf>somehow I get the picture of some girl from a high-school in a movie
16:17<Pitxyoki>lol
16:17<patrikf>"But... I don't want to use the scary keyboard!"
16:17<Pitxyoki>I was thinking of my sister, when I tell her "just type this in a terminal".
16:18<patrikf>heh
16:18<Pitxyoki>And she goes... "But can't I click somewhere?"
16:18<EmleyMoor>My keyboard is scary to the uninitiated
16:18<Pitxyoki>Well, my keyboard eats children for breakfast.
16:18<Pitxyoki>Aside from that, I don't think it's scary at all..
16:18<Pitxyoki>:x
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16:18<EmleyMoor>Most of the keys on mine have two letters on
16:19<patrikf>Pitxyoki: try some on-screen keyboard, I'd say.
16:19<Pitxyoki>LOL
16:19<EmleyMoor>(or symbols... or a letter and symbols)
16:19<patrikf>next time she asks that: "Yeah, well, [clickety click] you can also *click* the letters instead of typing them."
16:19<Pitxyoki>"Use an on-screen keyboard" would be an excellent answer for when she doesn't want to type things.
16:20<Pitxyoki>rotflol
16:20<EmleyMoor>My mother is fine with keyboards... but ask her to click something and she often stares at it!
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16:22<EmleyMoor>I usually ask "How do you propose to click something that's on the keyboard?"
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16:31<LiCeT>ok...thx again all
16:31<LiCeT>bye
16:31<LiCeT>see u soon :)
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16:40<CeZ>can anyone help me install debian on my laptop?
16:40<dr|z3d>CeZ: Have you checked google? Plenty of documentation..
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16:43<CeZ>i cant find much for installing it on my laptop model. it keeps bringing up info on installing xp
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16:58<antonio>como posso fazer upgrade para versão do debian 5 lenny sem precisar desinstalar a versão que tenho
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16:59<Ganneff>!br
16:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:59<antonio>como faço isso. obrigado
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17:00<Ganneff>antonio: either try in english or follow what dpkg said please. thanks.
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17:02<diskless104>freenode.irc.org
17:02<k1lumin4t1>any good DNS providers I could use on resolvconf?
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17:10<CeZ>anyone know of a faq or somthing on installing debian on a hp dv6500?
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17:11<transmit>Всем привет
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17:12<transmit>speak russia ?
17:13<blarson>!ru
17:13<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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17:14<deniz>is there anybody here that DOESN'T have a problem running compiz with GNOME in lenny?
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17:16<client>my wireless constantly needs to be reset (unclick then reclick it in network settings) in order to work... what could be causing this?
17:16<blarson>deniz: Sure, I don't use compiz or gnome, and mostly run sid.
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17:17<deniz>blarson, in lenny i have A LOT of problems with compiz on two different installations
17:17<deniz>blarson, well bugs which ive filed a long long time ago and nothing is fixed
17:18<deniz>blarson, i was just wondering if im the only one experiencing things still
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17:31<enouf>CeZ: /msg dpkg laptop (follow URLs, find make/model)
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17:32<enouf>CeZ: i doubt you entered Debian in your search and came up with nothing but XPoop results
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17:37<deniz>is there a program that can make a backup copy of my flash's drive's contents every week into a folder and delete the contents that that folder had the last week so that I can have my data backed up without even worrying about it?
17:37<patrikf>deniz: make a script and drop it in /etc/cron.weekly
17:38<deniz>patrikf, is it hard to make a script?
17:38<themill>deniz: sounds like you should look at rsnapshot
17:38<themill>!rsnapshot
17:38<dpkg>i guess rsnapshot is a filesystem snapshot utility, which creates incremental backups of local and remote filesystems, using hard links to save disk space. See also /usr/share/doc/rsnapshot/html/rsnapshot-howto.html and http://www.rsnapshot.org/faq.html, or ask me about <rdiff-backup>
17:39<patrikf>deniz: no. it's just what you'd type into the terminal, just in a file (plus some other stuff)
17:39<patrikf>deniz: theoretically, rm -R /backup; cp /flashdrive /backup; would do what you want
17:39<patrikf>deniz: rsync might be a bit faster, because it won't remove and copy everything
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17:40<deniz>patrikf, i want it to remove then copy everything but i want it to ask me permission and not just do it randomly and i want a second window or whatever asking me if im sure just in case i click ya by accident but didn't want to
17:40<deniz>patrikf, and is rm -R the same as rm -rf?
17:40<deniz>themill, ill check that out
17:41<patrikf>deniz: rm -R is the same as rm -r
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17:41<deniz>patrikf, those commands remove directories AND files, right? because that's what rm -rf does
17:42<patrikf>yeah. -f just suppresses asking when read-only files are encountered
17:44<deniz>patrikf, o thanks but is there a way to make the script ask me twice if i want it to do what it does?
17:45<patrikf>deniz: look into zenity, but you'd need some experience with shell scripting
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17:46<patrikf>deniz: or wait, that won't be possible, you'd need some additional trickery to get it to display a dialog (DISPLAY= and the like)
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17:49<deniz>themill, rsnapshot is a terminal application? no GUI?
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17:50<themill>deniz: not even that, really. It's designed to run from cron (i.e. automatically at a fixed time each day)
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17:55<deniz>themill, how do I use it though? like configure it maybe? debian wiki doesn't seem to have anything
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17:56<themill>deniz: there's one config file /etc/rsnapshot.conf. See the website that dpkg mentioned earlier for details.
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18:20<themill>!qotd0
18:20<dpkg><hotdog> how do i join the debian channel?
18:20*dr|z3d laughs.
18:21<themill>Probably had an ubuntu question to ask...
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18:22<themill>!qotd234
18:22<dpkg><zhangsha> is there System for analysis of financial markets with debian? <petemc> anything that can plot a graph at a downward angle should work
18:22<themill>(personal favourite atm)
18:22<hmn>lol
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18:32<snogglethorpe>anybody recognize a bug with 2.6.28 where you start getting process hangs after using `taskset' to set a process's cpu affinity (to a single core)? Not the _same_ process hanging either...
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18:33<snogglethorpe>(and using taskset again to set affinity to "all cores" un-hangs the hung process [which again is not the one being frobbed with taskset...])
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18:42<hmn>snogglethorpe, i've never used taskset (I have only one [single-core] CPU), but its manpage says Linux will try to maintain a "natural" affinity anyway. may i ask why you want to force a particular affinity?
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18:43<snogglethorpe>hmn: because of _another_ bug in 2.6.28, where the ondemand frequency governor fails to heed the "ignore niced processes" setting
18:44<snogglethorpe>hmn: so i wanted to just force my non-niced cpu eater onto a particular core, then I can set that core's frequency differently
18:44<snogglethorpe>but sadly I start getting random hangs after i do that...
18:44<hmn>okay.. i hope someone can help, but i don't know enough :(
18:45<snogglethorpe>hmmm there must be a linux-kernel specific channel...
18:45<hmn>did you try on freenode?
18:46<snogglethorpe>yeah there's ##linux there
18:46<snogglethorpe>(also #linux on this machine, but very few people there)
18:46<hmn>and they didn't know the answer?
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18:50<hmn>(sorry, stupid question... if they did know you wouldn't still be asking...)
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18:57<hmn>snogglethorpe, one thought: taskset may (or may not, i don't know) be viewing your multiple cores as a single logical CPU. setting an affinity may not work on that level.
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18:57<snogglethorpe>hmn: no, it certainly knows about cores
18:58<hmn>ok, then i have no clue, sorry
18:58<snogglethorpe>i think in general "cores" are treated like standalone cpus
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19:00<snogglethorpe>hmm, now to repost my question to ##linux
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19:24<deniz>in pidgin, how do u make a conversation with multiple people at the same time?
19:24<dr|z3d>deniz: Use IRC :)
19:26<deniz>dr|z3d, i use xchat for IRC stuff but on pidgin when using msn protocol, how do I do that
19:26<dr|z3d>No idea at all, if it's possible.
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19:27<dr|z3d>Google around the following keywords: pidgin msn conference chat
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20:23<shze|laptop>if I have a deb pkg, but want to update it to a newer version tarball to test bugs, what's the best way to do that?
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20:25<BlueG>I seem to have found a bug in some recent upgrade. I am not sure what is responsible, but all videos now have intermittent frames with a fuzzy pattern that is primarily green, resulting in a flashing effect.
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20:26<BlueG>It is the same in totem-gstreamer, totem-xine, vlc, and mplayer. win32 vlc in wine is not affected.
20:26<BlueG>Does anyone know if this is a known bug that is being worked on, or if there is a fix, or what package may be responsible so I can go about filing a bug report?
20:27<patrikf>BlueG: most likely your X.org video driver
20:27<patrikf>BlueG: try mplayer -vo x11 or mplayer -vo opengl
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20:31<BlueG>patrikf: well, mplayer -vo x11 seems to work fine. What can I do to fix it, or properly report the bug?
20:32<patrikf>BlueG: what video driver are you using?
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20:32<BlueG>patrikf: what is the best way to check that?
20:33<patrikf>that's a very good question
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20:33<patrikf>BlueG: try "grep modules/drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
20:33<leonardo>Hi, is there any program to start and stop mysql and apache?
20:34<patrikf>leonardo: if you have configured them to start at boot time, sudo /etc/init.d/{mysql,apache} restart
20:34<enouf>grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:35<leonardo>Yes its configuted to start on boot, but I would like a program to stop and start this
20:35<leonardo>gui
20:35<leonardo>not terminal
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20:35<leonardo>Because I use mysql to just 1 program
20:35<BlueG>patrikf: intel_drv.so, sil164.so, sh7xxx.so, ivch.so, tfp410.so, ch7017.so
20:35<patrikf>... it's a one-liner ...
20:35<patrikf>now that's quite a bunch
20:36<leonardo>patrokf:which
20:36<BlueG>enouf: yours got intl_drv.so, plus mouse and kbd
20:36<leonardo>patrickf:which
20:36<patrikf>leonardo: /etc/init.d/mysql restart; /etc/init.d/apache restart
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20:37<leonardo>patrikf: don't you know a systray program that does this
20:37<patrikf>leonardo: no, and I doubt there is one
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20:37<BlueG>I think I reconfigured my xserver a few days ago, I may have selected a different option than previously when it asked about using the kernel framebuffer...
20:37<zlap>sup..
20:37<leonardo>Ok, thanks
20:37<BlueG>so perhaps it isn't an upgrade, but my configuration that broke
20:37<enouf>BlueG: that's expecteed - mplayer defaults to -vo xv are you sure it's using xv when it doesn't work?
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20:38<BlueG>enouf: yes, it does it when I specify -vo xv, but not with -vo x11
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20:39<zlap>for some reason when i try to copy a iso to a cd/dvd i get you do not have the permissions for that
20:39<zlap>im new to linux, much better then vista
20:40<Nemoder>zlap: I recommend gnomebaker for burning discs
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20:46<BlueG>so, why is the problem only occuring with xv? is that where the bug lies?
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20:50<panagos>hi, i have a question, how can i list all installed packages sorted by last update?
20:51<panagos>that is, by last time a version of the package was installed
20:51<panagos>i want to find whether i have any "forgotten" packages still installed on my system :)
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20:53<adb>apt-get autoremove
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20:54<panagos>adb: that will only take care of automatically installed packages though...
20:55<adb>ah ..
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20:56<adb> dpkg -l | grep etch
20:56<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep etch
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20:58<panagos>adb: so i take dpkg -l and join it with the release dates of each version?...
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21:01<adb>it works with only some etch packages
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21:06<panagos>what was the link for that new database that stores all packages with their versions, bugs etc? is there an sql dump for us mere mortals without database access? :)
21:06<panagos>something like odb.debian.org or so
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21:07<adb>!p.d.o
21:07<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help>
21:09<adb>!bts
21:09<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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21:11<capitaozap>qual é o forum brasileiro..?
21:11<capitaozap>debian-br?
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21:11<adb>!br
21:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:15<Silicium01>shouldnt killall processname kill all processes with that name?
21:16<panagos>Silicium01: yes :)
21:16<Silicium01>panagos, I'm trying to kill off transmissioncli processes but they dont dies
21:17<panagos>Silicium01: sure that is the name of the process? sometimes it may change, e.g. take the name of the interpreter, i don't know why :|
21:17<panagos>Silicium01: or it's ignoring your signal?
21:17<Silicium01>panagos, I am using the right name
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21:20<panagos>Silicium01: maybe your shell has a killall builtin, or an alias?
21:20<Silicium01>panagos, what do you mean?
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21:22<panagos>Silicium01: i assume you are using bash? try the command "type killall", it will tell whether the command is overridden
21:22<Silicium01>panagos, /usr/bin/killall
21:22<Silicium01>yes, using bash
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21:23<panagos>Silicium01: so what does killall do instead of killing your processes? :)
21:24<Silicium01>panagos, nothing, I just issue, and when I check with top command it still lists the clients I tried to kill
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21:25<panagos>Silicium01: no error message? what is its exit code?
21:26<Silicium01>not sure hot to check exit code, but no error is shown, just gos to next line
21:26<panagos>Silicium01: and check the names with ps too :)
21:26<panagos>Silicium01: killall whatever; echo $? will print the exit code
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21:28<alchemist>#digikam
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21:29<panagos>Silicium01: i can't help you more than that :|
21:30<axis>if i have a text file, test.txt and it contains a list of 100 words. 1 word on each line. 100 lines total.. how can i using bash, split this file up into 25 lines a piece? or make it so that it dumps 25 lines into test1.txt and then the next 25 lines into test2.txt and then the next 25 lines into test3.txt and so forth? I'm looking to take a file with 100 lines and slice it into 25 lines each.. The best i can think of is like, cat test.txt
21:31-!-axis [~axis@bas1-windsor12-1128691428.dsl.bell.ca] has quit []
21:31<panagos>axis: take a look at head and tail :)
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21:31<axis>sorry
21:31<axis>i got disconneted
21:31<bzed>02:31:30 < panagos> axis: take a look at head and tail :)
21:32<bzed>.oO(or just use python)Oo.
21:32<panagos>bzed: are you a bot? :P
21:32<axis>if i did cat test.txt|tail -n 25 thats the last 25 lines..... i want to basically take a file with 100 lines and slice it into 25 lines as many times as possible
21:32<axis>or are you saying use both tail and head
21:32<bzed>both
21:32<panagos>axis: you can do something like cat ...|head -n50|tail -n25 and you get lines 26-50
21:33<snogglethorpe>axis: there's a standard program called "split", which should do exactly what you want
21:34<axis>I tried earlier cat test.txt| split -l 25
21:34<axis>unless it was suppose to be used differentl
21:34<axis>y
21:34<snogglethorpe>axis: what did it do that you don't like?
21:34<axis>oh shit
21:34<axis>ur right it works
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21:34<axis>i had to dump it in a file first
21:34<axis>split -l 25
21:35<axis>tx guys, snogglethorpe
21:35<axis>thx*
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21:37<Silicium01>panagos, thank you. (sorry I was away for a sec)
21:37<panagos>Silicium01: no problem :)
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22:23<harcesz>hiya
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22:24<harcesz>i just switched from ubuntu and i'm trying to figure out how to get network manager to work more or less the same way
22:24<harcesz>(as it does on ubuntu)
22:24<norton>Is there some program that can show me what process that is using so much harddrive IO?
22:24<norton>like top, but for io
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22:31<avu>norton, iotop .. :)
22:31<mepk>Hi,everyone, my cup is 64bits interl , I want to use 64bit kernerl of version 2.6.28.* 。 Where can get it?
22:31<avu>mepk, 2.6.28 is in the archives
22:31<avu>mepk, if you're using lenny though, only 2.6.26 is available at this point I think
22:32<avu>at least I haven't seen a backport for .28 yet
22:32<mepk>thanks
22:33<norton>avu: hehe, thank you! :)
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22:33<adb> 2.6.28 works on lenny , is no special needs for modules
22:33<avu>norton, you do need a recent kernel for that to work though. If you're using lenny or etchnhalf you're fine, plain etch won't do
22:34<avu>adb, of course it does, why wouldn't it? there just aren't any ready made packages yet
22:34<adb>if* no
22:34<avu>and compiling your own kernel without a good reason to do so is just silly
22:34<norton>avu: ok, no prob
22:35<mepk>G driver need
22:35<mepk>cant use 1280X800
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22:38<mepk>If images of the "testing" distribution content kernel 2.6.28?
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22:39<adb>as said use lenny with .28
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22:40<mepk>give me a url
22:40<mepk>adb
22:40<adb>for ?
22:40<adb>.28 is repos
22:40<adb>is in
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22:41<adb>http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6
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22:43<mepk>adb Thanks
22:43<adb>i386 ?
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22:46<mepk>adb linux-image-2.6.28-1-amd64_2.6.28-1_amd64.deb ?
22:46<adb>wget it , and dpkg -i IT.deb
22:46<adb>wget http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.28-1-amd64_2.6.28-1_amd64.deb
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22:52<adb>same for .29 > wget http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.29-rc8-amd64_2.6.29~rc8-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13185_amd64.deb
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23:01<mepk>adb I down and install it,thanks for you.
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23:24<victor>pc is not connected to internet before startup, now the wire is plugged in, what should be done to connect it to internet?
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23:28<binarymutant>victor, sudo dhclient
23:29<victor>binarymutant: thanks, i'll try this.
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23:35<victor>how can I review the texts posted on the screen in the process of startup?
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23:36<adb>!bootlog
23:36<dpkg>methinks bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
23:36<Pyr0S-9889>dmesg
23:37<logam>list
23:37-!-knoppix_ [~knoppix@c-24-6-103-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #debian
23:37<knoppix_>hi
23:38<logam>hi
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23:38<Guest1218>h r u
23:38<adb>!u
23:38<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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23:39<Pyr0S-9889>dpkg, jajajaja that's right
23:39<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Pyr0S-9889
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23:43<victor>!debian
23:43<dpkg>from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
23:44<victor>!dhcp
23:44<dpkg>rumour has it, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about <dhcp client>.
23:44<victor>!dhcp client
23:44<dpkg>To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". See <kernel options for dhcp>.
23:45<victor>!dhcpd
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