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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-22

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01:05<cuckoo>FIFO
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01:08<Jurij>Hi
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01:11<desarrollo10>heyyy .. gente ... desgraciadamente en el desarrollo web hay que tener en cuenta al IE7 .. alguien sabe como lo puedo hacer funcionar con wine???
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01:11<deniz__>how do i make openoffice.org-calc draw a graph from a table that has several points (x,y)?
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01:28<cuckoo>HI
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01:55<[_[__Luly__]_]>hola
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01:56<[_[__Luly__]_]>alguien sabe donde puedo conseguir ayuda en español?
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01:56<[_[__Luly__]_]>hola
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02:02<Pyr0S-9889>hola
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02:27<deniz__>when I type 0.085 in a cell in openoffice.org-calc, it rounds it to 0.09 and doesn't let me keep my number!!! what do I do?
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02:33<fxiny>any spreadsheet does that , is not rounding the number . format > cell
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02:34<fxiny>your number is still 0.085 , it displays two decimal
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02:35<deniz__>fxiny, o thats good, thanks
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02:35<fxiny>deniz__: np
02:36<deniz__>fxiny, would you happen to know how I can change the point's graphical plotting? it currently is big blue squares to show each plotted point
02:36<deniz__>points'*
02:37<fxiny>deniz__: i don't remember . can't boot into an oo box , atm
02:40<deniz__>fxiny, o, thanks anyways
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02:46<meletmartin>dd
02:46<meletmartin>doa
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02:49<Silicium01>how do I stop metacity and start xmonad?
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02:57<joss>wonder if someone has done patches agains mm tree's?
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02:59<Silicium01>fxiny, are you around?
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03:00<parsix>hola
03:01<parsix>estoy en post de instalar parsix que me dicen+
03:01<Silicium01>xmonad does not respond to alt + shift + enter
03:02<parsix>hello
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03:02<Silicium01>parsix, #debian-es
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03:03<parsix>hooooolaaaaaa
03:04<parsix>aburriiiiiiiiidooooo
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03:15<hirox>hello?
03:15<fxiny>Silicium01: i'm here
03:15<hirox>xD
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03:15<hirox>heheh im new here
03:16<hirox>oO?
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03:17<fxiny>Silicium01: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome/0.5
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03:25<Per>Hello everyone, I've got a question. Is it possible (from Windows) to write the contents from 2-3 of the install DVDs to get a bootable USB stick? The machine I wish to install on doesn't have a CD/DVD reader atm.
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03:25<jaakko>How can I concatenate two files without adding any line feeds? "cat file1 file2 > file3" adds a line feed between files.
03:26<fxiny>don't blame cat
03:26<Per>I would say, check the end of file1. :)
03:26<jaakko>Per: checked
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03:29<jaakko>fxiny: I'm not blaming, looking for alternative :)
03:31<Per>jaakko: I've never noticed that cat adds linefeeds. So they're probably in there somewhere, either at the end of file1 or at the beginning of file2.
03:31<jaakko>Per: I have to admit, you were right.. but still don't understand
03:32<jaakko>Per: Vim does not show any linefeed, but creating the files with echo -n I get them correctly with cat
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03:32<jaakko>Per: But it seems Vim is the "problem", not cat.. thank you. :)
03:33<Per>jaakko: Nice to see that you got it working.
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03:34<fxiny>jaakko: yes , vim adds \n . emacs doesn't ;)
03:35<fxiny>jaakko: when in doubt pipe it to a sed oneliner , or tr
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03:37<jaakko>fxiny: Good to know.. I opened the "echo -n text > file" with vim and it displays [noeol]
03:38<jaakko>fxiny: damn vim.. I have to change my religion and study emacs :D
03:39<fxiny>jaakko: but vim is fine . for example you want \n when editing a crontab , i am an emacs user but my sensible-editor is vim , i like both
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03:41<fxiny>jaakko: wanna a reason for "studying" emcas ? : org-mode is in lenny . pretty good organizer , i do everything in org-mode
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03:42<jaakko>fxiny: Ok, I haven't ever even started emacs.. started with default nano, and then changed to vim.
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03:42<fxiny>vim is a great editor
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03:47<fxiny>jakko : if that RMS-tax-man news is true (you know ? it could be a bulls*), i won't drop emacs but i will certainly say that vim > emacs :P
03:47<fxiny>just to teach him :P
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03:50<jaakko>fxiny: I know who is RMS but I don't know what news you are talking about
03:52<fxiny>jaakko: something about him and a frenchman planning to tax p2p : could be he's eating too much french fries :P
03:53<fxiny>no time to investigate further
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04:21<Nattapol_>hi all ;)
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04:21<lvdz>hi
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04:27<pawel>do you know good text mode .hex files disassembler?
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04:39<Jurij>Hi
04:39<hever>I often read folder and directory. It seems directory is the more professional, technical term, correct?
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04:40<fxiny>yes
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04:41<hever>fxiny, thanks
04:41<Jurij>What adjust network in Kubuntu 8.10:(
04:42<fxiny>hever: can't stand "folders", you are welcome :)
04:42<hever>;)
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04:44<fxiny>Jurij: *untu* is not supported here
04:45<Jurij>But where possible help to find?
04:46<cahoot>try #ubuntu on freenode.net
04:46<cahoot>irc.freenode.net
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04:47<fxiny>amphi: morning :)
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04:54<mad__>hey guys
04:55<mad__>i have a small problem extracring files using unrar as well as unrar-free
04:55<mad__>"Extracting filename failed"
04:55<mad__>Its not a problem with the permission, root cant extract neither
04:56<mad__>any idea?
04:56<fxiny>corrupted rar parts ?
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04:56<mad__>i tried several archieves
04:56<mad__>alwyas the same error
04:56<fxiny>is it rar ? type file filename.rar
04:57<fxiny>no point on trying several archives , the right one is enough
04:57<mad__>RAR archive data, v1d, os: Win32
04:57<fxiny>so could be a rar version
04:58<fxiny>last chance you have is the wrong rar version
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05:01<aardvarX>i had that problem with unrar-free, installed unrar-nonfree and it works now
05:03<mad__>which repo do i need in my sources file for the nonfree version?
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05:04<aardvarX>i went to packages.debian.org and downloaded it, because it wasnt in the repos
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05:06<aardvarX>i dont even know if there is a non-free repos anymore. its been a while, but i thought they did away with it.
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05:06<fxiny>just add ... /debian lenny main contrib non-free
05:06<aardvarX>its been a while since ive used debian, just installed it today again.
05:07<mad__>i downloaded the tar.gz from here http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm, extracting went ok, but the folders are empty
05:07<fxiny>if you are running lenny/stable
05:08<aardvarX>good to know, thanks fxiny
05:08<fxiny>amphi: np
05:08<fxiny>oops
05:09<fxiny>aardvarX: np
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05:10<kesha>hi all
05:10<kesha>!ru
05:10<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
05:10<aardvarX>i am having problems with xsane - i tried starting it up, and it says no device found - ive got an all in one hp printer, cant find my scanner when starting xsane.
05:11<kesha>Ca any one help me with Xorg ?
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05:11<kesha>**Can
05:12<aardvarX>i think i will add myself to the scanner and lp group and see if that works out.
05:12<kesha>What is says logs?
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05:14<Ascavasaion>On my Debian box at home with KDE... when I click the padlock icon bottom right to lock the session and invoke the screensaver it just freezes the screen as is and does not invoke the screensaver. It does require the password, but I would like it to start the screensaver as it used to do. Can someone give me some pointers that I can use when I get home?
05:15<mad__>ok, unrar non-free works just fine, thanks a lot :)
05:15<aardvarX>np
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05:16<aardvarX>unrar-free is a piece of steaming crap afaik
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05:17<mad__>from my experience, i can agree :)
05:18<cahoot>testimony from two true oss users
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05:20<kesha>Can any one help me with Xorg ?
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05:20<kesha>I resieve this
05:20<kesha>http://pastebin.com/d208e3403
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05:20<aardvarX>kesha wtf do you want :P lay it on us please!
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05:22<kesha>I want help
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05:23<Ascavasaion>kesha: what they want is a more to the point question.
05:23<aardvarX>wow, that doesn't really give too much feedback. it's just failing with no clue isn't it :P
05:24<aardvarX>kesha, is that a fresh install?
05:24<kesha>Yes
05:25<aardvarX>what is your video card?
05:25<kesha>I just change video cards: from sis 1Mb to S3Virge 8Mb
05:26<aardvarX>did you change the video card in xorg?
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05:26<freddy>channels
05:27<kesha>Where are only: Section "Device"
05:27<aardvarX>i dont know exactly what you would change it to, probably s3
05:27<kesha>Section "Device"
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05:27<kesha> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
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05:27<kesha>EndSection
05:28<aardvarX>i dont know if lenny still uses dpkg-reconfigure xorg, or you could change your xorg.conf
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05:29<douma>hi
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05:30<aardvarX>i forget the command to take it back to new, there is a switch you can put on dpkg-reconfigure --something to take it back to new. so that hal will detect the card.
05:30<douma>what i need to install to watch you tube videos ?
05:32<aardvarX>i would update your sources to debian-multimedia.org and download flashplugin-nonfree
05:33<douma>thnx
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05:34<kesha>thanks
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05:36<aardvarX>kesha, dont thank me yet, it has been awhile since ive used debian, so i dont remember stuff. did you try dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
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05:37<rajeev09>hello
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05:38<aardvarX>thats it! try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and see if that helps
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05:46<kesha> /say aardvarX no. it is not help
05:46<pawel>do you know good text mode .hex files disassembler?
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06:02<giordano>ddd
06:02<giordano>prova
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06:04<pawel>do you know good text mode .hex files disassembler?
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06:05<cahoot>http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/01/22/console-hex-viewereditor-with-disassembler-biew/
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06:17<pawel>thanks
06:18<pawel>bye
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06:30<niccolo>good morning to all...i have a XGA 15'' TFT LCD Monitor; how can i set up correctly my xorg.conf?
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06:31<fxiny>is it detected ?
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06:32<fxiny>niccolo: ^^^
06:32<niccolo>fxiny, yes but it has an uncorrect value of dpi
06:32<fxiny>niccolo: try this : http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
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06:33<niccolo>fxiny, i see it yesterday, my correct value is 85
06:33<niccolo>but i cannot setup it..
06:34<cahoot>niccolo: defined DisplaySize?
06:34<cahoot>in xorg.conf
06:34<niccolo>yes...
06:34<niccolo>cahoot, with this values: DisplaySize 306 229
06:37<cahoot>niccolo: and what size dose xrandr -q reposrt?
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06:38<niccolo>cahoot, there is no DPI information in the report of the command..
06:39<cahoot>niccolo: no but xrandra tells what displaysize is
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06:39<niccolo>cahoot, this is the line?: default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
06:40<cahoot>like: LVDS connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 331mm x 207mm
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06:40<niccolo>ok i print my result a line before..
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06:41<niccolo>so cahoot, i hope my report is uncorrect
06:41<cahoot>seems your set DisplaySize isn't considered - Xorg.0.log doesn't say why?
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06:43<niccolo>cahoot, no info in the log about displaysize
06:43<domi>hi
06:45<cahoot>niccolo: grep -i size /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:45<niccolo>ok cahoot some reults..
06:46<niccolo>how can i show it to you without been bannedà
06:46<niccolo>?
06:46<cahoot>!paste
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06:48<niccolo>cahoot, http://paste.debian.net/31154
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06:52<cahoot>niccolo: looks ok to me: Image Size: 304 x 228 mm seems to correspond to your DisplaySize
06:52<niccolo>cahoot, could be gdm the problem?
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06:53<EmleyMoor>Anyone managed to get the Facebook games working on Debian?
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06:59<anto>grazie
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07:07<tanne>help
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07:15<valdyn>EmleyMoor: why would they not work?
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07:16<Per>Another try for this question. Is it possible (from Windows) to write the contents from 2-3 of the install DVDs to get a bootable USB stick? The machine I wish to install on doesn't have a CD/DVD reader atm.
07:18<joakim>hmm. what's the new thing for build-essentials?
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07:18<joakim>thing being alias package
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07:19<valdyn>Per: instructions how to install from usb are in the install guide
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07:19<Per>Yes, but they assume that I'm running linux already... Which I'm not.
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07:21<valdyn>joakim: nothing new
07:21<valdyn>Per: you need to do what it does on windows, obviously
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07:22<joakim>so uh, what do I use then?
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07:22<valdyn>Per: that is writing the boot image to usb and add the netinstall iso file
07:22<joakim>I mean, it keeps saying the package doesn't exist
07:22<valdyn>Per: i dont know how to write raw data to usb storage on windows
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07:23<valdyn>!b-e joakim
07:23<dpkg>joakim: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
07:23<valdyn>joakim: its not plural
07:23<Per>Me neither sadly. I've got a little hunch which might work, I'll just have to try it.
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07:24<cahoot>Per: this might be of help: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
07:24<joakim>i tried both.. hm, i'll try again
07:25<Per>cahoot: That might work, I'll have to try it unless I get it working this time.
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07:32<valdyn>Per: Haiku os recommend flashnul
07:32<valdyn>Per: s how to install from usb are in the install guide
07:32<valdyn>gah
07:32<valdyn>Per: http://haiku-gazette.blogspot.com/2008/06/haiku-auf-usb-stick-installieren.html
07:33<valdyn>Per: flashnull home kyrillic so im linking haikus docs instead
07:33<valdyn>Per: flashnull home is kyrillic so im linking haikus docs instead
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07:50<Per>valdyn: Thanks, but it's in german so that will take me a while to decipher. :)
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07:52<s4br3>Hi, something is very wrong with my Sid setup... When I try to configure my sound and type "alsaconf" I get: "alsaconf: command not found". I have a newly rebuilt alsa, but no luck. Please, what can be wrong?!
07:53<cahoot>shouldn't need alsaconf anyway
07:53<s4br3>cahoot, No?! Since?
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07:54<valdyn>s4br3: since forever
07:54<cahoot>since lenny was testing IIRC
07:56<joakim>worked. but now the kernel is compiled with a different compiler than is the dewfault compiler in lenny
07:57<s4br3>valdyn, ok. cahoot, ok. Still, I cannot get stereo sound since a week or so... I thought alsaconf might help.
07:57<cahoot>s4br3: still using pulseaudio?
07:58<s4br3>cahoot, I purged it last week and removed the stutterings I had. But no stereo
07:59<cahoot>s4br3: speaker-test -t wav -c2 reports sound is sent to both channels?
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07:59<s4br3>cahoot, maybe. But I only get the lady voice in the "front left"
08:00<cahoot>maybe?
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08:00<cahoot>no written output for front right?
08:01<s4br3>cahoot, something magic has happened. Now it works!!! Yesterday evening, six hours ago it didn't.
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08:01<cahoot>a good nights sleep can do wonders
08:01<s4br3>cahoot, For a computer?! LOL. I didn't touch it.
08:01<fxiny>could be a lag in the equinox :P
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08:02<cahoot>why not for a computer? they're human too
08:03<s4br3>cahoot, At least they're moody, like all my beloved
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08:04<s4br3>So, my next question. What is then now the best way to test the headset mic?
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08:12<pingus>Hi. Will iceweasel be avilable through volatile repository or the standard repository? does anyone know?
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08:14<s4br3>cahoot, thanks for your help. gotta leave
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08:15<lemath>hola
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08:17<ml>fxiny: sup
08:17<fxiny>ml: hi
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08:17<pingus>i use amd64, mozilla does not provide 64-bit brower, does some of you guys know a good somewhere that does? www.mozilla-x86-64.com is only for windows...
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08:18<ml>messing around witherc
08:18<fxiny>heheh
08:18<ml>irssi is much better
08:18<fxiny>ml: of course
08:18<fxiny>ml: using screen ?
08:18<Gekz>pingus: iceweasel.
08:18<Gekz>install it
08:18<ml>erc good stanby
08:18<Gekz>it's firefox relabled for debian
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08:19<fxiny>Gekz: no more proud ?
08:19<Gekz>what?
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08:20<fxiny>oh you are not the N`PROUD geek ?
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08:20<geekie>:D
08:20<Gekz>wtf are you talking about
08:20<geekie>huh
08:20<fxiny>someone else then
08:20<geekie>oh right talking about other geek
08:20<pingus>thanks for tip of iceweasel and i use that, but that will probably not be upgraded in lenny to the next release of firefox so i would like to use the normal firefox and not the debian
08:20<Gekz>>_>
08:20<ml>heh
08:21<fxiny>how many geeks ? wt4x !
08:21<geekie>xD
08:21<Gekz>pingus: I'm pretty sure it will keep being updated
08:21<mepk>he
08:21<Gekz>as any updates are security fixes
08:21<Gekz>otherwise, someone will backport it from sid
08:21<Gekz>relax :D
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08:21<Golfgeo>Hi all
08:22<fxiny>ml: running xmms with a keyboard only , no term ;)
08:22<pingus>good, relaxed we are
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08:22<fxiny>ml: and summoning mutt same way :)
08:22<ml>nice
08:23<ml>I got mutt working just need iron a few things
08:23<fxiny>ml: wait a sec then
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08:24<valdyn>judd: versions iceweasel
08:24<judd>valdyn: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.17-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.7-1 squeeze: 3.0.7-1
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08:24<Golfgeo>Are there any types of repositories availible other than: stable <-> experimental and backports?
08:24<valdyn>pingus: whats wrong with lennies iceweasel?
08:24<ml>iceweasel is up to date
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08:24<Gaeel>g
08:25<valdyn>pingus: firefox minor versions are nearly just security fixes, debian does get those fixes
08:25<fxiny>ml: import XMonad.Actions.WindowGo and XMonad.Util.Run , then add : , ((modMask x .|. shiftMask, xK_m), raiseMaybe (runInTerm "-title mutt" "mutt") (title =? "mutt"))
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08:25<fxiny>taken from the tubes
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08:25<pingus>its nothing wrong with todays icew but i would like to get the improvement of next firefox when that releases
08:25<valdyn>learning haskell to drive a wm?
08:26<fxiny>ml: so mod shift will bring your default term up with mutt on it ready :)
08:26<ml>fxiny: will give that a try
08:26<fxiny>ml: quitting mutt closes the term : for lazy ppl only :P
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08:27<fxiny>valdyn: haskell is nice , and yes xmonad is a fast car ;)
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08:27<pingus>opera does not work well with the plugins for mozilla
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08:28<fxiny>the mutt "runInTerm" is an esquisite recipe
08:28<Gekz>!tell pingus about sid backport
08:28<fxiny>as i said , not mine
08:28<valdyn>there isnt even a new ff for a while yet so uh
08:28<Gekz>!tell pingus about simple sid backport
08:28<valdyn>i dont know how you want to prepare for that
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08:28<valdyn>or why
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08:31<pingus>thanks
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08:34<fxiny>Golfgeo: volatile
08:34<ml>fxiny: it's nice but I'm not that lazy ;)
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08:35<fxiny>ml: why ? do you set the fetchmail macro up ?
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08:36<ml>no, i'm using mutt's
08:36<Golfgeo>fxiny: Sounds like a nice solution for my problem :-)
08:36<fxiny>ml: macro index F "!fetchmail\n" "Invoke fetchmail" , in your ~/.muttrc
08:36<fxiny>Golfgeo: oh yes , volatile is ok
08:37<Golfgeo>fxiny: :-) Now to apt it :-)
08:37<fxiny>Golfgeo: apt ? aptitude ! ;)
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08:41<Golfgeo>fxiny Me is oldschool... :-P
08:42<Golfgeo>Yet libsane doesn't seem to be in volatile
08:42<fxiny>Golfgeo: me too , but aptitude won no question : is a fine tool
08:43<fxiny>Golfgeo: second only to dselect :D
08:43<Golfgeo>lol
08:43<ml>I used to use apt-get but switched to aptitude
08:43<pingus>thanks for help, bye
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08:48<fxiny>ml: does the macro work ?
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08:48<ml>fxiny: I don't have fetchmail run
08:48<ml>*runing
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08:48<ml>lol
08:48<fxiny>ml: how do you collect your mail ?
08:49<ml>with mutt fetchmail is not needed
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08:49<ml>atleast for use with gmail
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08:50<fxiny>ahhh , i have more then one address : fetchmail , procmail , bogofilter , mutt . and mailfitler preconnect
08:50<fxiny>mailfilter*
08:51<ml>mine is just gmail simple
08:51<fxiny>that's ok
08:51<ml>I need to look at few more things with mutt
08:51<ml>I'm loving emacs atm
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08:52<ml>:)
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08:52<ml>making a few notes on emacs
08:53<fxiny>oh yes , org-mode rocks
08:53<ml>heh
08:53<ml>I'm reading up on that soon
08:54<fxiny>ml: check out urlview for mutt
08:54<ml>I have, but really don't needed with urxvt ;)
08:54<fxiny>hehehe
08:54<fxiny>good one :)
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08:55<ml>urxvt rocks
08:55<ml>:)
08:56<ml>and screen
08:56<fxiny>urxvt perl
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08:56<fxiny>but i prefere mrxvt , buggy but more familiar
08:56<ml>cool
08:56<ml>btw what's the difference I forget
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08:57<fxiny>utf8
08:57<ml>oh
08:57<fxiny>mrxvt don't support it
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08:58<ml>ok
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08:58<ml>atm learning about killing etc
08:58<ml>lol
08:58<ml>*killring
08:59<Pitxyoki>8|
08:59<ml>emacs C-h t is nice
08:59<ml>need to finish that :)
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09:01<fxiny>ml: Silicium01 is playing with xmonad ;)
09:02<ml>hehe :) gj
09:02<ml>xmonad is the best
09:02<ml>glad you mention it to me :)
09:03<fxiny>ml: he ain't burning bridges yet : he runs xmonad *in* gnome :P
09:03<ml>hehe
09:03<ml>fxiny: someday
09:03<ml>he will
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09:04<fxiny>ml: i'm starting reading haskell seriuosly this coming weeek . i said reading ...
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09:05<ml>fxiny: you know the funny thing, is when you mentioned xmonad to me I was looking to the same thing in openbox, but could not be done
09:05<fxiny>ml: gravity told me about "Real World Haskell" , guess what ? Goerzen is one of the authors
09:05<ml>fxiny: hehe start
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09:06<ml>fxiny: I have tha bookmarked
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09:06<fxiny>ml: i have it downloaded already ;)
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09:07<fxiny>and sed all url to make all links locals
09:07<ml>fxiny: I'm going to read it from the site might download it also, but did not notice a download link
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09:09<fxiny>ml: it looks like a work in progress kinda of "more coming"
09:09<ml>yes
09:10<ml>I read a bit but, it does state that you should know some programing to read
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09:14<fxiny>ml: there is something wrong : they put python *before* perl :P
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09:14<fxiny>is definetely a work in progress :P
09:16<fxiny>ml: some prior programming knowledge ? no porbs : it seems c can be learned in 24 hours . hahahah i knew 21 days but .... just look around ;)
09:17<ml>heh
09:17<fxiny>readers digest watsh-watchers culture :P
09:17<ml>lol
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09:18<fxiny>i remember someone saying "after 20 years on perl i'm still learning" ...
09:18<ml>wow
09:18<fxiny>that was when i first read a perl tutorial
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09:19<fxiny>not me . but perl monks are special
09:19<ml>heheh
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09:19<R3S3T>hi
09:20<R3S3T>can somebody help me out?
09:20<R3S3T>i cant get my soundcard to work
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09:21<fxiny>start again : i cant get my XXX soundcard to work
09:22<fxiny>all crystall balls are off on sunday :P
09:22<R3S3T>i cant get my Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) soundcard to work
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09:22<R3S3T>lol
09:22<ml>fxiny: lol
09:23<ml>mine works 24/7 but skiped that minute :P
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09:24<R3S3T>any help?
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09:25<ml>R3S3T: I have no idea, but be patient someone might respond
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09:29<adb>!alsaconf
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09:29<adb>!alsa
09:29<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>. #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
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09:32<plsd>Hi, I'm using Debian 5.0 AMD64 and it's happened 3 times that X just crashes for no apparent reason. The screen turns black and after a while I get this message: "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?"
09:32<plsd>and then "The X server is now disabled. Restart GDM when it is configured correctly." You can read my /var/log/Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/d45d48eab
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09:41<adb>plsd: you messed i915_dri.so
09:41<adb> apt-file search i915_dri
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09:42<dbz>#cusol
09:42<adb>stop dbz
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09:42<dbz>mmmm how can i change the chatroom... sorry newbie
09:42<LiCeT>hi al :)
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09:43<adb>dbz: use > /j #cusol
09:43<dbz>thx !
09:43<adb>np
09:43<plsd>adb, apt-file search i915_dri bash: apt-file: command not found
09:43<adb>install it
09:44<adb>!search
09:44<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help>
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09:46<plsd>adb, Ok, that gave me this http://pastebin.com/d283410d3 but now what?
09:46<adb>install those too
09:47<adb>well not -dbg
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09:48<plsd>adb, I already had ia32-libs so it only installed libgl1-mesa-dri. So that was it? It's fixed now?
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09:49<adb>i dunno , so test it
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09:50<plsd>adb, well I don't know how to test it. It's only crashed 3 times for me and 1 time (afaik) for a friend. Guess I'll just wait and see then.
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09:51<adb>restart X , i guess
09:52<plsd>restarting X was never a problem though. it just crashed for no apparent reason.
09:53<adb> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:54<plsd>adb, http://pastebin.com/d7ab1f285
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09:58<adb>well , i don't know why it crash, and why /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so is not there
10:01<valdyn>plsd: reinstall the package where /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so is from
10:02<plsd>AFAIK I've only tried to install compiz, wasn't satisfied and uninstalled it. I *think* I reverted all changes. I don't know if my friend who seems to have had the same crash tried installing and uninstalling compiz. Do you think I should file a bug report? Or just keep asking some more? I don't want to file a bug report and waste their time if it's something that's more likely done by me.
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10:03<valdyn>plsd: this is however not in direct relation to your crash
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10:03<plsd>valdyn, that file is apparently owned by libgl1-mesa-dri which I just installed.
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10:05<valdyn>plsd: you must have tried to run compiz without hardware acceleration btw
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10:05<plsd>valdyn, that's very possible. the reason I uninstalled it was that it was so slow compared to what I had experienced in Ubuntu.
10:06<valdyn>plsd: have you done a paste where your actual error is visible?
10:06<valdyn>plsd: that EE is not a huge error, just disabled h/w accel
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10:07<adb>plsd: i have done the same , install/uninstall compiz , so i "needs" to add a new user , remove old use and all his configs, re_add old name user to have a correct X environment
10:08<plsd>valdyn, beats me :) This is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/d45d48eab but I don't understand any of it.
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10:09<valdyn>plsd: that is your current X log, no crash there
10:09<valdyn>plsd: or the last X start before you added libgl1-mesa-dri
10:10<plsd>valdyn, oh, I guess I should have done something to save the logfile separately before rebooting then huh?
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10:10<valdyn>plsd: yes
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10:10<valdyn>plsd: why is your randr disabled? did you put something like that in xorg.conf?
10:11<valdyn>plsd: nevermind
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10:11<valdyn>plsd: i figured that one, randr is ok
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10:11<valdyn>plsd: next time you restart X, dri should be on, thats h/w acceleration
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10:12<plsd>valdyn, well I guess there isn't much to do about it until it crashes again and I save the logfile? Unless I try what adb said but that seems like a PITA so I'll try to avoid it :)
10:13<valdyn>plsd: thats a catchevething way, you dont need to do that
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10:13<valdyn>plsd: = huge overkill
10:14<plsd>valdyn, at least it was better than my idea to reinstall the whole system :)
10:14<adb>plsd: just test it : add a new user, enter/change X as new user and wait craches X ...
10:15<adb>if
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10:15<plsd>adb, problem is that it crashes so rarely. I installed Lenny almost when it was released and it's only crashed 3 times.
10:16<adb>so it crashed also before installed compiz ?
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10:17<plsd>adb, nope, only after. but then it didn't crash right away after. I tried the compiz thing pretty much in the beginning and the first crash happened long after. It's not when I'm doing anything in particular either. Last time I was reading something in Iceweasel and it crashed without me even touching the mouse of keyboard.
10:18<TMcTrain>hello
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10:19<TMcTrain>how do i get the name of a package a specific program was in?
10:19<TMcTrain>i have i2cdetect from lm_sensors but don't know the exact name of the package
10:20<gsimmons>!tell TMcTrain -about search
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10:21<adb>plsd: sure not that was a short electrical power down , or so
10:21<TMcTrain>can you give me a example not only a hint pleas?
10:21<adb> apt-file search namepack
10:22<TMcTrain>don't have apt-file
10:22<adb>plsd: well cut-off
10:22<plsd>adb, pretty sure, only x crashes, I always get to log in in terminal and do 'screen -r' and shut down rtorrent and whatever else is in screen properly before restarting to get x back.
10:22<fxiny>dpkg -S i2cdetect
10:22<dpkg>Package: i2cdetect: Status: install ok installed
10:22<adb>15:19:55] <gsimmons> !tell TMcTrain -about search
10:22<fxiny>hahah
10:23<fxiny>dpkg -S banana
10:23<dpkg>You Fool! banana is installed!
10:23<fxiny>hahahaahh best bot ever !
10:23<TMcTrain>thanks
10:23<themill>TMcTrain: either install apt-file or use packages.debian.org
10:23<zxd>what's the difference between aptitude update and apt-get update
10:23<TMcTrain>it seemed to be in i2c-tools
10:24<themill>zxd: aptitude update will tell you how many new and upgradable packages there are
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10:24<plsd>zxd, aptitude is recommended in debian. afaik it's because it handles dependencies better.
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10:24<zxd>themill, they both update the same database? read the same database file?
10:24<plsd>guess that doesn't make any difference when doing update though
10:25<themill>zxd: yes and yes
10:25<adb>!whyaptitude
10:26<plsd>valdyn, adb, thanks for the help. If it happens again I'll make sure to save the logfile and come back
10:26<adb>you are welcome
10:26<TMcTrain>now another dumb question how do i get the source for a package? For example i2c-tools ? :-)
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10:28<themill>TMcTrain: you may want to read man apt-get
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10:30<TMcTrain>i have some troubble with my i2caccess under perl! the sensordetect script uses some calls over ioctl. I used this routines for scanning for chips, but in some cases this routine kills my whole i2c-bus.
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10:31<leonardo>Hi, anyone knows ant little program to start and stop mysql?
10:32<leonardo>like a tray icon
10:32<TMcTrain>so i tried the same with the i2cdetect program and it worked fine over a long period of time, but I have trouble handling the formated output, so I figured if I have the source of i2cdetect I can change the output into something, simpler to handle within a script!
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10:33<mepk>how to install the xf86-video-intel?
10:33<leonardo>TMcTrain: is answer for my question?
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10:36<TMcTrain>leonardo: no!
10:36<leonardo>ok
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10:42<streuner>mepk: ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
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10:42<s4br3>cahoot, I rebooted. The stereo sound is lost...
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11:13<byllo>hello
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11:18<darrob>hi. on kubuntu i can navigate man pages with vim like commands. on debian (lenny) only a few work. i cannot scroll up e.g. Is this a configuration issue? what can i do about that? thanks
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11:22<djc>sounds like a terminal/keyboard settings issue
11:22<djc>or perhaps
11:22<djc>echo $PAGER
11:22<djc>what do you get
11:23<djc>does 'less' work properly? if you 'less <some text file>' can you scroll up ?
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11:27<darrob>djc: less isn't even installed. should i install it?
11:28<djc>'less' is the alternative to 'more' that lets you scroll bidirectionally
11:28<djc>seems odd that it wouldnt be installed
11:29<djc>!less
11:29<dpkg>i guess less is a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to more, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. The command-syntax is: less [options] <fi
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11:29<darrob>i have lenny on 2 computers without less being installed by default.
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11:30<darrob>great! djc, installing less was the solution. thank you.
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11:57<bl4ckc00k1e>no me kito gdm
11:57<bl4ckc00k1e>xD
11:58<bl4ckc00k1e>me kito solo la screem
11:58<ml>!es
11:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:59<bl4ckc00k1e>sorry was amistake
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12:06<barkel>hi there
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12:06<barkel>anyone who can help a noob with his network configurations? (-> ger)
12:07<ComradeHaz>"Don't ask, just ask."
12:07<ComradeHaz>* "Don't ask to ask, just ask."
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12:08<ml>!ask
12:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:08<barkel>Its more than a question,....i only used windows until now, and i want to establish a wreless lan connection to my router , but i really dont know what's to do!
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12:11<ml>barkel: I don't use wireless, but take a look at this... http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
12:12<barkel>ok
12:12<barkel>thx
12:12<ml>np
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12:20<rigabobus>Very interesting
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12:28<anomic>hey guys. there used to be some neat files in either /proc or /sys (can't quite recall) that said whether or not wlan was online. those are gone now. what's the current way of checking this, for shellscripts etc?
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12:30<tux>hello, im measuring the performance of a reading process of a nas -> pc regarding throughput/"parallelism", does anybody know why the second test have a shorter time ? http://rafb.net/p/Cxeaao76.html
12:31<Carry>help: t61p hibernate/resume works suspend/resume no resume..
12:31<petern>cache?
12:33<Carry>petern: ?
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12:34<tux>i disabled the drive-cache with mount -o remount,sync /" and the kernel-cache with "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"
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12:45<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to get the Flash games on Facebook working in lenny?
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12:51<gravity>EmleyMoor: flashplugin-nonfree is the usual method for getting flash working consistently. There's also some Free flash implementations (gnash and swfdec) that don't always work.
12:51<gravity>EmleyMoor: If there's no flashplugin-nonfree for lenny you can just grab the one for unstable on packages.debian.org.
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13:17<Silicium01>does anyone here know how to start xmonad?
13:17<Silicium01>pressing alt + shift + enter does not start terminal when I "killall metacity; xmonad &" so I am unable to use it
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13:20<plsd>How do I change locale to the following: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_DK.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_DK.UTF-8"
13:20<plsd>Right now everything is en_US.UTF-8
13:21<plsd>I tried pasting that in /etc/environment but when doing locale I'm still getting the full list in en_US.UTF-8
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13:23<laca87>hi
13:24<laca87>van itt olyan magyar nyelvû aki tudna válaszolni a debiannal kapcsoaltban pár kérdésemre?
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13:33<c36pop>hi i would like to nstall svn 1.6.0 ona lenny stable serveur . What should i do ? wait until it comes in testing and make some package pinning or compiling it ?
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13:34<lucas_>Hi all
13:34<lucas_>I have a question
13:35<EmleyMoor>gravity: amd64 so using flashplayer-mozilla. All the games on facebook just don't run.
13:35<lucas_>I'm new to debian, i've installed de 4.0 (etch) some month ago.
13:35<lucas_>did i need to reinstall the 5.0 tu be up to date?
13:35<lucas_>how can i see the version installed on my computer?
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13:35<jackyf>lucas_: follow release notes how to upgrade
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13:36<lucas_>where is this release note?
13:36<jackyf>lucas_: cat /etc/debian_version
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13:37<jackyf>lucas_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/
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13:38<lucas_>many thanks! I'll check asap
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13:39<s4br3>Hi, i have had issues with my sound for a week. Now I notice that "modprobe snd" results in a series of warnings, e.g. "WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat, it will be ignored in a future release.". Could this be an indication? Which .conf file could the warning relate to? I run Debian Sid amd64.
13:39<anto> 5457
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13:40<gravity>EmleyMoor: Sorry, I don't really know anything about the amd64 stuff :-\
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13:41<s4br3>Aaah. BUG Bug#517954
13:41<s4br3>Aaah. BUG Bug#517954. Exactly the same!
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13:48<EmleyMoor>Besides I have the same problem in i386
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13:53<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i386 flash ? using dmm flashplayer-mozilla ?
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13:53<laca87>hi! debian van read ntfs part?
13:54<laca87>*can
13:54<fxiny>yes
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13:54<stuckey>My iceweasl is crashing
13:55<stuckey>Here is some output from the terminal: http://paste.debian.net/31196/ --- I'm using Lenny, and iceweasl doesn't do this when I've not installed gnash.
13:55<fxiny>laca87: apt-cache show ntfs-3g
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13:56<laca87>thank!
13:56<fxiny>np
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13:58<mrakk>my iceweasel and firefox doesn't work at all by default, konqueror and kopete works ok
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13:59<mrakk>connection breaks by timeout
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14:01<mrakk>help please with my iceweasel, i'm beginner in linux :-)
14:01<fxiny>laca87: no messages please . ask the channel
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14:03<LiCeT>hi all
14:03<JokersWild>yo
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14:04<LiCeT>hi Joker :)
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14:05<LiCeT>i get an error message on boot "unable to enumerate usb device on port 1"
14:05<LiCeT>anyone an idea?
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14:07<Dragnoer>enter the noob
14:07<LiCeT>?
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14:17<LiCeT>restart :)
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14:26<mrakk>hi all
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14:28<mrakk>my iceweasel 3.0.6 doesn't work in lenny in KDE
14:28<mrakk>anybody know something about it?
14:29<mrakk>konqueror work ok...
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14:30<mastroquet>mrakk: what error message do you have, if any?
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14:32<mrakk>mastroquet: writung "opening page...", and breaking by timeout
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14:33<fxiny>does it crash ?
14:33<fxiny>or you just are keeping it offline ?
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14:34*fxiny opens BOFH chapter 1
14:34<mrakk>no, just connection timeout expired
14:35<fxiny>can iceweasel load a local html file ?
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14:36<mrakk>yes, local files iceweasel opens
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14:36<fxiny>check file menu for a tick on "work offline"
14:36<fxiny>i bet is offline
14:37<arslan>oi peeps can anyone tell me how to get msn on ubuntu8.10
14:37<Stepan>Hello. I am using Ubuntu 8.10 and Windows XP. I need help with SAMBA and CUPS to share my printer. The two computers are not on the same network. Any help appreciated.
14:37<arslan>i know fuck off
14:37<fxiny>arslan: ask freenode.net #ubuntu
14:37<mrakk>"work ofline" is unchecked
14:37<arslan>thanks fxiny
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14:38<fxiny>mrakk: so shut iceweasel down and run : mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_old . restart iceweasel and try again
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14:39<fxiny>Stepan: jump on the same bus with arslan :P
14:39<tiago>Pessoal preciso de ajuda
14:40<tiago>tenho problemas aqui com o meu Debian
14:40<fxiny>tiago: en or
14:40<fxiny>!es
14:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:40<Stepan>fxiny: I tried. Nobody there seems to know how to do it if its not on the same network.\
14:40<tiago>sorry i think this is de IRC DEBIAN PT
14:40<fxiny>Stepan: switch network : /connect irc.freenode.net
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14:41<fxiny>tiago: pt ? right , stay here if you can type something in english , if you want , just ask in english
14:42<fxiny>gone :P
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14:43<fxiny>mrakk: ok now ?
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14:44<mrakk>fxiny: no
14:44<mrakk>dont't work
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14:48<mrakk>fxiny: I have no idea :(
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14:49<tom335>adema:
14:49<tom335>adama:
14:49<adema>?
14:49<tom335>nothing sorry iahaiuhai
14:49<adema>...
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14:50<tom335>--
14:50<fxiny>mrakk: if you moved ~/.mozilla as i told you , any damned wrong setting ,like proxy and so on , should be reset , so i have no idea myself
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14:53<mrakk>fxiny: yes, iceweasel create a new folder with settings ~/.mozilla after restart... but nothing... ok, thanks
14:53<fxiny>mrakk: it behaves like on offline mode
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14:56<mrakk>yes, i think so, but it is wrong :) anyway, iceweasel don't work with "work ofline" checked and unchecked
14:56<fxiny>mrakk: so , you can brose the net with konqueror but not with iceweasel ?
14:56<fxiny>browse*
14:57<mrakk>fxiny: yes
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14:57<mastroquet>mrakk: have you tried to disable ipv6 support in firefox (in "about:config") ?
14:58<fxiny>mrakk: checked > preferences > advanced > network > connection settings ?
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14:58<fxiny>oh f* ipv6 ?
14:58<fxiny>is it on by default ?
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14:59<mastroquet>fxiny: yes, as far as I know
14:59<fxiny>mastroquet: i see
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15:01<mrakk>fxiny: oh, thank!!! it works!
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15:02<fxiny>mrakk: sorry . i forgot ipv6
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15:03*fxiny eats BOFH chapter 1 , page 2
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15:04<mrakk>fxiny: i set network.dns,disableIPv6 = true, iceweasel work
15:04<mrakk>fxiny: thanks
15:04<fxiny>mrakk: masrtoquet was right then
15:04<fxiny>mastroquet ^^^
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15:06<mrakk>mastroquet: thanks for help!
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15:14<joesainz>on these tools: http://theshed.hezmatt.org/dns323-firmware-tools/ could anyone tell me if there is a special way to run them?
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15:15<ecoasian>hello, looking for help with USB HDD. What channel/
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15:16<ottoshmidt>I have added lenny backport to source.list and got this after apt-get update: W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/contrib/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.238.52 80]
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15:18<ecoasian>oh, I am running Ibex...and the problem I am having is renaming the drive after a format. Come up disk instead of former name.
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15:20<barkel>Still having problems to set up a wlan connection. Step-to-Step explaination needed for an absolute beginner
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15:21<ecoasian>exit
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15:27<GnomeAfterAll>yo guys =)
15:28<GnomeAfterAll>Can any1 assist me with my Wacom UltraPad? I've ran into trouble
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15:36<HellTiger>GnomeAfterAll, better ask your question
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15:45<GnomeAfterAll>i've followed the tutorial on linuxwacom.com but can't get my device to work, any1 have any ideas about what i should do?
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15:46<pipitone>hello
15:46<pipitone>!list
15:46<dpkg>one warez list being sent to pipitone
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15:47<GnomeAfterAll>!list
15:47<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gnomeafterall
15:47<GnomeAfterAll>:O
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15:50<HellTiger>!tellme about list
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15:53<lvdz>is the first cd of debian 5 enough to install the system ?
15:53<jrabbit>lol.
15:53<lvdz>indeed
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16:00<blarson>lvdz: Yes, but you may not get all the applications you want.
16:00<GnomeAfterAll>I've followed the tutorial on linuxwacom.com but can't get my device to work, any1 have any ideas about what I should do?
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16:03<lvdz>blarson : ok thanks, i guess ill be able to get them via internet afterwards
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16:19<debacle>hi all, i'm on lenny. How can i remove a package with all its configuration files? (with apt-get i did apt-get remove -purge <packagename>). How can i do this with aptitude ?
16:19<cahoot>aptitude purge?
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16:20<ml>cahoot: aptitude purge app
16:20<ope1>LIST
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16:20<cahoot>ml: that's appendektomy
16:21<ml>leave out the app part
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16:21<debacle>cahoot: easier than apt ! sorry for stupid question. I 've also readed man page ... excuse again !
16:22<ml>or if you use in ncurses shift+-
16:23<debacle>ml: i hate ncurses ! it's an incredible caos !
16:23<simonrvn>...
16:23<simonrvn>says the newbie
16:23<ml>debacle: to each it's own, I find helpful
16:23<ml>when istalling and purging
16:24<ml>but do upgrades the old fashion way ;)
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16:25<debacle>ml: i've tryed times and times ... the old way is the fastes for me !
16:25<ml>ok :)
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16:28<tiago>hello i nedd help
16:28<tiago>e have problem with root
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16:34<doom_buggy>hey. is it possible to rename a file that is being downloaded so that it is saved with a different name than the file on the server?
16:34<doom_buggy>or how would i do that?
16:34<GnomeAfterAll>doom_buggy: save as?
16:35<doom_buggy>yeah
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16:35<doom_buggy>what?
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16:35<doom_buggy>sorry. WITH wget
16:35<GnomeAfterAll>oh, sry, can't help :(
16:36<ml>doom_buggy: wait till it finnishes dling and then rename
16:36<burnclouds>I have a comp with a 4G hdd. I have a need to a print server but cups needs an additional 170Mb. Can you recommend another?
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16:37<doom_buggy>ml: i want to know if it is possible to do this while it is being downloaded. kinda like a 'save as' for wget
16:37<lynko>doom_buggy: wget http://example.com/some_file -O downloaded_file
16:37<doom_buggy>that's it
16:38<doom_buggy>that is a uppercase O right? and not a zero
16:38<lynko>doom_buggy: uppercase 0
16:38<burnclouds>Can you recommend a print server other than cups?
16:38<doom_buggy>ok
16:38<lynko>doom_buggy: uppercase O not a zero (0)
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16:39<doom_buggy>yeah
16:39<doom_buggy>burnclouds: considered using a livecd like knoppix and having a persistent image to retain your modifications?
16:39<doom_buggy>or using a smaller distro
16:39<doom_buggy>dont know of any other printservers myself
16:40<burnclouds>ok thanks. I have an eeePC w/ 4G hdd
16:40<burnclouds>and no cd drive
16:40<GnomeAfterAll>burnclouds: turboprint, it costs, but works with printers that cups don't support, such as my Cannon i320
16:40<burnclouds>i'll look into that.
16:40<GnomeAfterAll>Canon*
16:40<GnomeAfterAll>do so =)
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17:33<chase>Hello
17:33<chase>#ubuntu
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17:36<valdyn>GnomeAfterAll: cups is not a printer driver, it does not support any printer
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17:36<valdyn>GnomeAfterAll: you're looking for the driver
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17:36<valdyn>GnomeAfterAll: turbeprint might ship one however
17:37<GnomeAfterAll>what?
17:37<GnomeAfterAll>ah, never mind
17:37<GnomeAfterAll>can anyone help me with my wacom UltraPad?
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17:38<valdyn>burnclouds: cups should not need that much, but you are free to use lpd
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17:38<valdyn>burnclouds: which should defenitely be smaller anyway
17:39<valdyn>burnclouds: either its the docs or all the drivers that take that much space
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17:40<valdyn>burnclouds: you can also print with no real print server at all
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18:19<|Source|>can i spoof a mac address in a vserver session ?
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18:24<lucas_>hi all
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18:24<lucas_>i've updated my debian 4.0 to 5.0 but when typing but i have the following:
18:24<lucas_>lucas@DELL:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
18:24<lucas_>4.0
18:24<lucas_>i dont understant why
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18:25<lucas_>can someone help me?
18:25<Gun_Smoke>I have one laptop configured to use wpa.. can I just copy the conf files for wpasupplicant over to the laptop without the clickity clickity gui? they both have the same wireless cards..
18:26<k0pp>Gun_Smoke, have you tried it?
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18:26<k0pp>lucas_, afraid not :/
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18:27<lucas_>aptitude seems to be broken too :-s i thougth the update was easier, without hundreds of operations...
18:27<k0pp>apt-get fails?
18:27<lucas_>yes
18:27<k0pp>can you paste the error messages?
18:27<Gun_Smoke>k0pp, no, in the planning stages.. time today is some what limited..
18:28<k0pp>Gun_Smoke, oh i see :P well, ive never done it, but it seems feasible
18:28<Gun_Smoke>k0pp, I sure hope so.. reading wpa from the shell only seems labor intensive..
18:30<k0pp>heh, i know what you mean
18:30<lucas_>@kopp:
18:30<lucas_>DELL:/home/lucas# apt-get update
18:30<lucas_>Atteint http://ftp.fr.debian.org stable Release.gpg
18:30<lucas_>Atteint http://ftp.fr.debian.org stable/main Translation-fr
18:30<lucas_>Ign http://ftp.fr.debian.org stable/contrib Translation-fr
18:30<lucas_>Ign http://ftp.fr.debian.org stable/non-free Translation-fr
18:30-!-lucas_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
18:30<k0pp>heh
18:31<Gun_Smoke>pft.. that was short lived.. lol..
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18:32<k0pp>i dont know why people always think i mean /literally/ paste
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18:32<k0pp>into the channel, that is
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18:34<Gun_Smoke>the package pastebinit it pretty helpful..
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18:35<Gun_Smoke>I usually so something like.. cat foo > foo.txt && pastebinit foo.txt
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18:42<k0pp>no one knows of like a uh... Perl XChat scripting tutorial do they?
18:42<k0pp>by chance?
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18:43<lucas_>hi all
18:43<lucas_>i'm back with my update from 4.0 to 5.0
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18:43<lucas_>the file debian_version is still on 4.0
18:44<lucas_>and apt-get update tells me the following:
18:44<lucas_>W: Aucune clé publique n'est disponible pour la/les clé(s) suivante(s) :
18:44<lucas_>4D270D06F42584E6
18:44<lucas_>(ie : No public key available for the following key...)
18:44<lucas_>how can i correct this?
18:45<k0pp>lucas_, i meant pastebin your errors
18:45<k0pp>not paste directly here, lol.
18:45<k0pp>the _full_ error
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18:46<lucas_>i dont have any other error, just that key : 4D270D06F42584E6
18:46<themill>dpkg: tell lucas_ about etch->lenny key
18:46<lucas_>I'm lost :-(
18:46<themill>lucas_: it's a warning only and not a bad one. ignore it and keep going
18:47<lucas_>ok but why does i still have the following:
18:47<lucas_>lucas@DELL:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
18:47<lucas_>4.0
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18:48<themill>lucas_: because you haven't finished the upgrade yet.
18:48<oldhwy66>hi
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18:48<themill>lucas_: In fact, if you've got that error, you've probably not upgraded anything.
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18:49<lucas_>themill: ok but after "aptitude distro-uprgrade" what should i do next?
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18:49<themill>lucas_: it's not distro-upgrade. Have you been reading the release notes?
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18:50<lucas_>yes... i dont have it on the screen now but it was something like "aptitude distr-upgrade" ... not?
18:51<adb>rigolo , non ?
18:51<themill>lucas_: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.fr.html#upgradingpackages
18:52<themill>lucas_: perhaps you can pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; dpkg -l libc6 dpkg aptitude base-files" for us.
18:52<themill>!pastebin
18:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:53<lucas_>ok, i'll do that as soon as aptitude will finish downloading 1078 new paquets
18:53<lucas_>thanks for your help and your patience!
18:54*adb ... bistro-upgrade
18:54<themill>lucas_: if aptitude is downloading 1078 new packages then that's the actual upgrade that's going on... at the end of *that* you will have lenny. Check debian_version after that's done and you'll be fine.
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18:55<wat>nope :/
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18:55<wat>wrong channel
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18:57<lucas_>ok! i thought that lenny was updated after the aptitude manipulation "distr-upgrade"... So I'll check once all the packages installed. Thanks!
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19:04<Gun_Smoke>k0pp, fyi.. copying wpa_supplicant files over worked like a charm.. I only needed to add the appropriate stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces ...
19:04<k0pp>ah good!
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19:05<Gun_Smoke>see we're only wireless here.. not by choice.. and I have an extra laptop I want to start a server on.. but for the longest time that wpa conf was keeping me away..
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19:06<k0pp>;/
19:07<k0pp>i wonder if left 4 dead would work under WINE. i know starcraft does :/
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19:36<lucas_>i've updated from 4.0 to 5.0. Now, i've started aptitude and the application is frozen using 80% cpu ressources
19:36<lucas_>Can someone tell me why?
19:36<doom_buggy>not really debian specific but when it comes to streaming a media file is any record/COPY of said file retained on the system?
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19:43<lucas_>i can i see that?
19:43<lucas_>how*
19:47<binarymutant>can someone guesstimate the time it takes to cache a package on package.debian.org and on the qa.debian.org?
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20:11<oipunx>hello
20:11<oipunx>how do i see the blocksize and cluster size for an ntfs partition?
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20:13<adb>ask #windows
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20:13<oipunx>im not using windows...
20:14<oipunx>nvm got it
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20:36<zem>if i want to install windows xp under linux, what vm software should i use?
20:36<goodger>zem: qemu's rather good
20:40<plsd>zem, I like VirtualBox, but then it's all I've tried.
20:40<Gun_Smoke>+1 for VirtualBox..
20:41<valdyn>zem: kvm is completely supported by debian, as are a few more solutions, qemu only "unaccelerated"
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20:41<themill>kqemu is in debian too
20:42<parsix>hi , I'm trying to install parsix on a lvm partition is that possible ?
20:42<zem>i'll go with virtualbox, looks solid
20:42<goodger>'tis
20:42<valdyn>hmm, nevermind, kqemu-source is now in main too
20:42<goodger>parsix: we only support debian here, please refer to parsix documentation
20:43<themill>valdyn: yeah, it got GPLd a couple of years ago.
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20:43<parsix>o sorry, wrong channel
20:43<valdyn>wow, years already..
20:43<parsix>was wondering why there is so much people here :)
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20:45<mepk>I get the err :checking for GL... configure: error: Package requirements (glproto >= 1.4.9 gl >= 7.1.0) were not met:
20:46<mepk>how can I get the package "glproto", "gl"?
20:47<valdyn>!tell mepk -about search
20:47<adb>search
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20:48<az>oh
20:48<az>there is debian for eee or kernel for eee ?
20:48<gsimmons>!tell az -about eee
20:48<valdyn>mepk: im sure you can find glproto trivially, but the other package could be libgl1-mesa-dev
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20:49<stavros>help
20:49<valdyn>and that configure script is broken, because theres no gl 7.x.x, just mesa 7.x.x
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20:50<stavros>anyone know how to install active sync or any other name brands that work on linux that sync's pocket pc
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20:51<mepk>Thanks for you all.
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20:52<valdyn>synce-sync-engine - Synchronization engine for Windows Mobile devices
20:52<stavros>yes
20:52<valdyn>or opensync-plugin-synce - SynCE plugin for OpenSync
20:52<mepk>I will learn and try. I am a newbie
20:52<stavros>does the package manager get that for you???
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20:55<luis>helo
20:55<valdyn>stavros: syncing is nothing without your calendar app?
20:56<valdyn>stavros: we dont know which app you want to sync
20:56<valdyn>stavros: i think kdepim will sync with anything
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20:56<stavros>thanks
20:56<stavros>i'll try that
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20:58<stavros>the thing is to install programs and games thad etc.. no need)t's all (Calender an
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21:02<plsd>Hi I'm using Debian 5.0 AMD64 and I wrote earlier about X crashing for no apparent reason, I was told to save the logfile before rebooting and now it crashed again so here's the log: http://pastebin.com/d18f54d08
21:04<abrotman>plsd: which version of debian ?
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21:05<plsd>abrotman, 5.0 aka Lenny
21:05<mark999>Hi
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21:05<abrotman>plsd: i used to have that issue .. it went away a long time ago
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21:06<abrotman>plsd: i used to get it when a GL screensaver would start
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21:07<brian17>hello, when debian loads up the music is very skippy. The same deal when I play youtube videos. I am using debian 64 bit. Any suggestions?
21:07<plsd>abrotman, I've never had this before installing Lenny. So far it's only happened 4-5 times. But I don't think it has anything to do with screensaver, I was in the middle of using the computer at all times and my screensaver is set to go on after 1 hour.
21:08<abrotman>plsd: bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
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21:11<plsd>abrotman, it looks like the first one is my problem, thanks!
21:11<valdyn>judd: versions libgl1-mesa-dri
21:11<judd>valdyn: libgl1-mesa-dri -- etch: 6.5.1-0.6 lenny: 7.0.3-7 sid: 7.0.3-7 squeeze: 7.0.3-7 experimental: 7.3-1
21:11<valdyn>plsd: experimental might have your fix
21:11<valdyn>plsd: reading debians bts...
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21:12<Steven_M>is there any way to let apt know about a program that has to be built from source?
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21:12<valdyn>plsd: mesa packages from experimental, to be exact
21:12<brian17>how do i change my sound to be 16 bit?
21:13<valdyn>brian17: it is by default
21:13<plsd>valdyn, that's not something that will eventually end up in lenny is it?
21:13<plsd>since it's not security related
21:13<brian17>why am i getting bad music playback then?
21:13<valdyn>plsd: right, it wont, maybe backports some day
21:13<valdyn>brian17: how would I know?
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21:14<valdyn>and i doubt you would hear the difference between 8 and 16 bit that easily anyway
21:14<valdyn>( depending on your sound gear obviously )
21:14<mepk>I try to install intel g driver to my notebook.
21:15<valdyn>mepk: and for that you are trying to compile something? why?
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21:15<brian17>does anyone have any ideas why my sound is skipping?
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21:15<mepk>I poor in English.
21:16<valdyn>ok, that confirms that its not 8 bit anyway
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21:16<abrotman>Steven_M: which program ?
21:16<abrotman>Steven_M: and know about it how ?
21:17<mepk>valdyn , yes, I try, thanks for your help.
21:17<bighornram>when I open a file with gedit from commanline as root I am getting an error message => Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application
21:17<bighornram>did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.) What does this mean and how can I correct it?
21:17<valdyn>mepk: why would you compile something?
21:17<valdyn>mepk: and *if* you even needed to compile something youd be doing it the wrong way
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21:18<valdyn>bighornram: use sux or sudo , not su
21:18<mepk>o
21:18<plsd>valdyn, So how do I get the update? I tried clicking the link "patch; Found in version xserver-xorg-video-intel/2:2.3.2-2+lenny6; Filed 7 days ago;" but that only takes me to a .png Do I need to get it from experimental? And will that affect all X or just the specific package xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
21:18<mepk>what should I do?
21:18<valdyn>hmm
21:18<valdyn>plsd: thats not the mesa package i was talking about
21:19<valdyn>plsd: i cant walk you thru this, no time, you have several options, all of wich are at least a little dangerous
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21:20<mepk>valdyn,http://intellinuxgraphics.org/
21:20<plsd>valdyn, ok no worries, I'm not really in that much of a hurry to fix it. It's just a bit annoying when it happens (rarely). Thanks for the help, abrotman too.
21:21<brian17>how can i find out what my soundcard is
21:21<abrotman>!whats my hardware
21:21<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>.
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21:25<oipunx>hello
21:25<oipunx>im trying to recover data from a hdd
21:25<oipunx>when i plug in the hdd, it wouldnt get listed in dev
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21:25<Steven_M>abrotman: I want to install xmobar (a utillity for xmonad) and once I install it from source, I want included in apts' database of installed software.
21:26<abrotman>Steven_M: so you want to make a package out of it ?
21:26<zem>oipunx: fdisk -l
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21:27<oipunx>it didnt show up there either
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21:27<oipunx>http://pastebin.ca/1368642
21:27<oipunx>there;s the dmesg
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21:30<oipunx>anyway i can recover data?
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21:31<Steven_M>abrotman: yeah, is that easy to do? I wouldn't want maintain it on a repo, just have it on my hard disk for my own use.
21:31<abrotman>!mg
21:31<dpkg>A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
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21:33<Steven_M>abrotman: thanks
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21:43<oipunx> anyone know
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21:51<Cody>Whats the advantages of a Linux mail server over exchange
21:51<Cody>Other than common viruses
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21:52<Cody>no one?
21:52<Cody>Really?
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21:52<abrotman>stability ?
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21:53<cdlu>security?
21:53<adb>freedom ?
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21:53<Cody>Do you still have the option of Shared calendars and such?
21:53<Cody>or is it just for mail transport?
21:53<abrotman>you can do that
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22:31<mepk>in
22:32<abrotman>out
22:32<mepk>test if in or out
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23:35<Steven_M>abrotman: I think I'll just use checkinstall with it.
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23:50<Gun_Smoke>what else is worthless to backup other than /proc /media /tmp ?
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23:50<simonrvn>/sys
23:51<MyWifeIs19>\/var
23:51<MyWifeIs19>"/var"
23:51<simonrvn>uh
23:52<MyWifeIs19>"/prOn"
23:52<Gun_Smoke>heh.
23:53<MyWifeIs19>is there problem with smbfs and 2.6.26 kernel?
23:54<simonrvn>!bts
23:54<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
23:56<MyWifeIs19>Actually, I know they dropped smbfs for 2.6.26..... so no bug filed against it....
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