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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-23

---Logopened Mon Mar 23 00:00:33 2009
---Daychanged Mon Mar 23 2009
00:00<simonrvn>cifs is the recommended one now.
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00:53<opac3>hi
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00:54<Guest1373>i just installed debian on my eeepc and i never installed a wireless manager, is there a way I can get the source for wicd to compile it myself?
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00:56<_DEL>i am currently on a differant computer and need to transfer it to the eee
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01:03<snogglethorpe>when I start a qt4 app, it seems to be mis-reading my .fonts.conf file -- I have a "conditional" statement in .fonts.conf that turns off anti-aliasing for a specific group of named fonts, but qt4 apps seem to turn off anti-aliasing for _all_ fonts (gtk apps seem to interpret it as I intended, by only turning off anti-aliasing for the named fonts; if I delete .fonts.conf, qt4 apps render properly)
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01:17<Frootix>!dpkg
01:17<dpkg>i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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01:22<blarson>!qotd0
01:22<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, qotd89 is <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep.
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01:33<_DEL>how do I back up what I have installed? I am on a netbook that I installed from a network image that I wont be able to do again for quite some time
01:33<_DEL>is there a way to copy it to a ISO to install again the way it is?
01:36<blarson>_DEL: dpkg --get-selections will give you a list of packages you have installed. (Redirect output to a file.) That and a copy of /etc will get most of how your system is configured.
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01:54<Frootix>Hello I keep getting "Network Service Discovery Disabled" when I boot, does anyone know what causes this??
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02:27<ravenbird>Leaving. (courtesy of simonrvn).
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02:31<Diehardy>can someone direct me to a room where I can get my bawls blown on?
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02:54<dende>hace una semana estoy tratando de instalar flash para ver videos de internet y lo solucioné con repositorio y ahora ya no fusiona. he intentado varias soluciones que hay en internet y nada.¿alguien me puede ayudar?
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02:55<jm_>!es
02:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
02:56<dende>where install adobe flash in debian. help please
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02:58<jack>hellp
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03:57<Guest1382>?
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04:24<lvdz>hello
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05:41<EmleyMoor>Is there an application in lenny that will allow me to take a PDF of a scanned paper form and make it completable like a proper PDF form?
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05:45<EmleyMoor>(could openoffice do it perhaps?)
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05:46<simonrvn>hrm, maybe... check their extension site too.
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05:50<EmleyMoor>I'm hoping to make this job easier than using a graphics package to do it...
05:53<simonrvn>oh, i think ooo can do it natively... during export
05:53*simonrvn just remembered one of the options to export to pdf has some "PDF Form" thing
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06:01<EmleyMoor>simonrvn: I've scanned the form - I will see what it can do.
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06:07<EmleyMoor>Not making anything of it :-(
06:12<simonrvn>:(
06:13<EmleyMoor>Nobody seems to have thought of this :-(
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07:00<MrNaz>When aptitude asks me to press [y/n] to confirm installing packages, only the first char of what you type in is looked at. So, to make myself feel cool, I always type in "Yo!" as a response.
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07:39<richi_>hello, i want that portmap listens on 127.0.0.1 and on 192.168.0.10 and not on all interfaces, how can i do that?
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07:43<EmleyMoor>richi_: In /etc/init.d/portmap, find the line OPTIONS="" - put -i 192.168.0.10 -l in the quotes
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07:46<richi_>EmleyMoor: oh i forgot the "-l" thx :)
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07:51<StarkD_>anyone know of a graphical hierarchical todo manager? something like a graphical version of devtodo?
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07:56<EmleyMoor>If I had the money I would split this computer
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07:57<EmleyMoor>(though it would need my network altered a fair bit first)
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08:30<idebugthereforeiexist>does anyone know how to debug fusesmb? I've got this weirdness where i set it up as normal, but it mounts the directory as root and its empty but if you try to view it as root, it says permission denied
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08:57<ernesto> Hello, I wonder if anyone could tell me what channel would be appropriate to address with stuff related to init scripts
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08:58<nepbabu>i think this channels fine for inits on debian. i am a not good with linux
08:58<nepbabu>sorry
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08:58<burun0>\list
08:58<jm_>ernesto: init scripts for what?
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08:59<ernesto>network filesystems
08:59<jm_>why would you need an init script for that?
08:59<ernesto>there is an init script for that
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08:59<ernesto>but not working very well
08:59<nepbabu>lol
08:59<ernesto>and I'd like to contribute to fix it
08:59<msdn>Hello
08:59<jm_>which one?
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09:00<ernesto>though don't know where to contact people in charge of that kind of script
09:00<msdn>Hello erverone
09:00<nepbabu>hi msdn
09:00<petemc>ernesto: you could start by describing the problem here
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09:01<Cadmium01>Doe anyone use xmonad wm here?
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09:02<nepbabu>Cadmium01: i suppose there's channel for that
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09:02<ernesto>ok
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09:03<ernesto>the problem is that I had to modify the script to make it work, and I'd like to discuss those modifications
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09:03<ernesto>with some developer, in a mailing list
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09:03<Cadmium01>nepbabu, I dont think there is
09:04<Zathraz>Hi. I am trying to use incron on Debian Etch and get: cannot create watch for user root: (16) Device or resource busy
09:04<nepbabu>Cadmium01: what abt their ml?
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09:05<nepbabu>Zathraz: Device or resource busy'
09:05<nepbabu>thats the hint
09:05<nepbabu>use lsof, ps, top whatever you can
09:05<nepbabu>lsof is your friend tho
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09:06<Zathraz>nepbabu, normally it is. But incron defaults to /var/spool and /tmp so that's a bit weird
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09:11<valdyn>Zathraz: its already running?
09:12<Zathraz>now it works for some reason :-)
09:12<valdyn>Zathraz: watches dont lock
09:12<Zathraz>have not changed a thing besides ending vi editing the conf file
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09:12<Zathraz>(have not changed anything in that either)
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09:14<Cadmium01>how do I display -n th line from rep results / file?
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09:17<mohammed>hi
09:18<Cadmium01>hey
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09:21<djc>Cadmium01, what line do you want?
09:21<Cadmium01>3rd line
09:21<djc>cat <file> | head -3 | tail -1 ?
09:22<Cadmium01>djc, aah, smart :)
09:22<Cadmium01>thx
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09:22<djc>you'd be surprised how powerful shell scripts can be ;)
09:23<djc>I once wrote a shell script that did OCR
09:23<Cadmium01>djc, very powerful
09:23<Cadmium01>it's awesome
09:23<djc>alebit it was incredibly slow
09:23<djc>I had a perl-guru friend help me rewrite it in perl, and it was slightly less slow
09:23<djc>slightly
09:23<jm_>you want one line from a file: sed -ne 'Xp' where X is line number
09:24<jm_>I thought it was some special format mentioning rep results/file
09:24<Cadmium01>jm_, not really a file, but grep results
09:24<jm_>Cadmium01: same deal
09:24<djc>"a stream of line-oriented text"
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09:25<djc>and sed is good too.. ive used it a bit, but no means an expert
09:25<amjad>does anyone know if there's a command line pdf reader?
09:25<djc>awk too.. awk is a bit scary.. anytime Ive done anything with awk its been with careful attention to the manpage
09:26<djc>amjad, you mean you want to see the pdf without needing X?
09:26<jm_>amjad: what is a command line pdf reader? you can use xpdf from a command line
09:26<amjad>yes
09:26<djc>or acroread, or evince, even
09:26<djc>if the pdf is text
09:26<djc>I beleive Xpdf can extract the text
09:26<djc>as long as its actual text
09:26<amjad>can they display pdf without X?
09:26<djc>and not a 'picture' of text
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09:26<jm_>there's also pdftotext
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09:27<djc>but if the pdf is graphic in nature, there really isnt any way to display it on a text terminal
09:27<djc>you could do pdftops x.pdf | lpr
09:27<djc>to print one
09:27<djc>assuming a postscript printer
09:27<Cadmium01>I wonder if there are any text image viewers, that can display test version of imge the est way possible
09:27<amjad>great. thnks jm_ , djc
09:28<djc>I suppose it would be possible to display in svga mode on linux console
09:28<djc>but I doubt anyone has botehred
09:28<djc>or you could convert to bitmapped graphics, and use one of those 'ascii-art' thingys.. but I cant imagine it would be terribly useful
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09:29<jm_>Cadmium01: well sure
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09:32<jm_>try aview, but results should be better using caca
09:33<amjad>How can use mouse in console?
09:33<jm_>amjad: install gpm
09:33<amjad>jm_, thanks
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09:34<Swat2>anyone able to tell me how to force my outbound email from postfix to respond with my FQDN instead of its local name?
09:34<amjad>jm_ do I need mdetect too?
09:34<jm_>amjad: not with 2.6 kernel
09:35<amjad>ok
09:35<D6>Hello guys. What's wrong with packages.debian.org? If I try to open Debian changelog at "http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.26-1-686" or "http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libpng12-0" I get "The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/libp/libpng/libpng_1.2.27-2+lenny2/changelog was not found on this server."
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09:44<djc>looks like the link is out of date
09:44<djc>got to http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/
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09:44<djc>then check against your installed package(s) to see which you want
09:46<djc>"not found on this server" is pretty straightforward - the file you were looking for isnt there..
09:46<djc>now "why isnt it there" can be a deeper question
09:47<djc>in this case, the entire directory "linux-2.6_2.6.26-13lenny2" isnt there
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09:47<djc>its possible you want http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-13/
09:48<djc>looks like a commonality is that the 'lenny2' part might have been removed
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09:49<djc>which im assuming has some particular signifigance, but what it is I do not know
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09:50<Swat2>Argh this is driving me friggen nutz!
09:51<djc>what is?
09:52<Swat2>Postfix is somehow sending out using my computers name instead of my FQDN, even tho ive set the "mailorigin" correctly
09:52<djc>"sending out" where?
09:52<Swat2>emails, outbound
09:53<djc>you mean in Received headers?
09:53<Swat2>yes
09:53<djc>Ah
09:53<Swat2>ie.. "HELO cartman.localdomain"
09:53<Swat2>instead of.. "HELO FQDNHERE"
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09:53<Swat2>and naturally, cartman.localdomain isnt real, and gets blocked by spam prevention mechanisims
09:53<djc>I dunno much about postfix.. but perhaps thereis a setting somewhere to define HELO specifically
09:53<Swat2>issismsims
09:53<djc>any server blocking on HELO is broken to begin with
09:53<burun0>u have set $hostname in main.cf ?
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09:54<djc>burun0, that looks like a sendmail config
09:54<burun0>ops, $myhostmane
09:54<petern>blocking on dodgy helos is a pretty good spam block
09:54<djc>any server blocking on HELO is broken to begin with
09:54<Swat2>burun0: mailorigin is meant to override that
09:54<petern>anyone with a legitimate server can easily take 5 seconds setting it properly
09:54<Swat2>petern: ive taken 5 seconds, its not that easy.
09:55<djc>I dont dispute that.. my original statement stands
09:55<burun0>Swat2, i see
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09:55<petern>is it not "myhostname" for the HELO in postfix?
09:55<djc>any spammer can also take 5 seconds to set it properly, or at least sufficiently properly so as not to get blocked, just as easily
09:55<petemc>djc: blocking on helo is very useful, its the servers HELOing with incorrect data that are broken
09:55<petern>djc: yes, but a lot don't
09:56<Swat2>anyway, back to me
09:56<Swat2>we can banter about this later ;)
09:56<petemc>Swat2: exim will use the output of hostname -f for helo, perhaps the same applies
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09:56<Swat2>hrm
09:57<Swat2>hostname -f outputs a completely different hostname
09:57<D6>djc: it seems like site admin should correct links to changelogs
09:57<petemc>guess not, then
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09:57<Swat2>to cartman.localdomain
09:57<djc>D6, sure.. report it as a site bug
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09:57<petern>postconf | grep myhostname
09:57<D6>djc: ok, thanks
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09:57<djc>I think its not the individual links to changelogs, so much as it is the package name including (or not) 'lenny2'
09:58<petern>smtp_helo_name = $myhostname
09:58<petern>maybe smtp_helo_name? :p
09:58<Swat2>smtp_helo_name = $myhostname
09:58<Swat2>*FAIL*
09:58<Swat2>lol
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09:58<Swat2>*hacks away*
09:59<djc>Swat2, I assume its what other servers are recording in Received: lines that you are concerned about
09:59<djc>as opposed to the specific servers rejecting your smtp connection based on what you HELO with?
09:59-!-il_santo [~il_santo@131-164.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #debian
09:59<Swat2>djc: sending out an email to a _particular_ person
09:59<Swat2>gets blocked instantly
09:59<Swat2>due to HELO being wrong
09:59<djc>smtp connection rejected?
09:59<djc>or mail bounced?
10:00<Swat2>550
10:00<djc>if you dont mind, what server is that
10:00<djc>or domain/mx
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10:00<Swat2>550-sent us a bad HELO string of "cartman.localdomain". Please ask your system 550 administrator to set it to use a fully qualified domain name. (in reply to RCPT TO command)
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10:00<djc>what server is giving you that
10:01<Swat2>their server? smx2.mail.adnap.net.au
10:01<petemc>have you grepped for cartman.localdomain in /etc ?
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10:02<Swat2>petemc: we found it ;)
10:02<Swat2> smtp_helo_name =
10:02<Swat2>for future reference :)
10:02<petemc>oh, good shit
10:02<Swat2>indeed!
10:02<Swat2>its funny though, all the postfix doco says to use "mailorigin"
10:03<djc>perhaps in a default config, smtp_helo_name = $mailorigin
10:03<Swat2>i didnt have smtp_helo_name specified untill a moment ago and it was set to $myhostname
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10:03<Swat2>*shrug*
10:03<Swat2>fixed now.. thats all i care about heh
10:04<Swat2>I love you guys, always have the answers
10:04<burun0>oh good
10:05<Swat2>djc: did you have fun w/ their server?
10:05<Swat2>;)
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10:06<djc>sward, Was just poking at it to see what criteria it was applying
10:06<djc>sward, ?
10:06<Swat2>aahhh
10:06<djc>GRRR
10:06<Swat2>-rd +t2
10:06<djc>i wonder if there is a fix for xchat tap completion
10:07<djc>to behave more like bash
10:07<Swat2>google?
10:07<djc>and prompt on multiple matches
10:07<djc>indeed
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10:07<Swat2>im sure there would be others frustrated by it also
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10:07<Swat2>oop! gotta jet, wife calling to bed ;)
10:08<petern>mrs palm?
10:08<Swat2>cheers Ladies n Gentlemen, take care
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10:08<Swat2>petern: havent seen her for atleast 4 years
10:08<petern>:D
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10:10<djc>aha
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10:10<djc>/set completion_amount 0
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10:11<djc>now how do I save that
10:11<petemc> .xchatrc ?
10:11<petemc>i dont use xchat, so thats a guess
10:11<djc>close
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10:11<djc>.xchat2/xchat.conf
10:11<djc>:P
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10:16<djc>I need to find a CLI/scriptable musicbrainz lookup tool
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10:21<lightyagamixryuk1>hello
10:21<lightyagamixryuk1>XD
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10:21<lightyagamixryuk1>hey!
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10:22<lightyagamixryuk1>does anyone know how to play youtbe on DSL?
10:22<lightyagamixryuk1>youtube*
10:22<lightyagamixryuk1>lol there are 379 people on here XD
10:22<lightyagamixryuk1>FOAW!!!
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10:23<djc>why should it matter wether you have DSL or not as to wether you can use youtube?
10:23<petemc>dsl = damn small linux
10:23<djc>You could do it over dialup, it'd just be damn slow
10:23<djc>Ah
10:23<djc>!debian
10:23<dpkg>methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
10:23<petemc>he left..
10:23<djc>#debian = Debian Linux
10:24<djc>ah
10:24<amphi>Debian GNU/Linux ;)
10:24<djc>righ
10:24<djc>t
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10:25<djc>I love it when people distribute binaries for linux, that link to libraries I dont have
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10:26<djc>maybe theres a compat
10:26<djc>ah good
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10:38<jaspa>hey
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10:43<jaspa>Bearman que me dice?
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10:43<jaspa>jpablo tomela con leche
10:43<koollman>!es
10:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:43<jpablo>:s
10:44<koollman>(Yes, I realize the futility)
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10:46<zamolxes>hello. I get zillions of these in my syslog: Mar 13 00:48:58 mini1 acpid: can't accept client: Too many open files
10:46<zamolxes>any clues?
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10:48<djc>if the beginning of an xml file starts with : <metadata xmlns="http://musicbrainz.org/ns/mmd-1.0#">
10:49<djc>am I wrong in thinking there should be something that that url?
10:50<adb>zamolxes: salut , dar nu știu
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10:50<djc>!ch
10:50<dpkg>from memory, ch is Switzerland, or #linux.ch and Confoederatio Helvetica
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10:51<djc>no idea
10:51<djc>!en
10:51<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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11:01<Nic0p0L>Âñåì ïðèâåò!
11:01<stew>!ru
11:01<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
11:01<petern>and use utf-8, damnit
11:01<zamolxes>adb: :)
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11:02<Nic0p0L>Thanks for the help =)
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11:11<Cadmium01>how do I check fo rall possible updates on my server?
11:12<Zathraz>valdyn, are you experienced in using incrontab?
11:12<seanius>Cadmium01: apt-get update && apt-get -s upgrade
11:13<Zathraz>for some reason: /tmp/bla/ IN_CREATE echo "$$ $@ $# $% $&" && /root/notify_incron.sh $@ $# $% $& translates in CMD( ..... )
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11:13<Fabio>hola
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11:13<Fabio>hello
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11:13<Fabio>alguien habla espa?ol?
11:14<Zathraz>and therefor the ) is appended to the call of the script which goes horribly wrong for that reason
11:14<noflash>!es
11:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:17<Cadmium01>seanius, thanks
11:17<Cadmium01>I'm reading man apt-get and it does not mention if upgrade will touch conf files
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11:17<Zathraz> CMD (echo "$ /tmp/moi/ blaaa IN_ACCESS 1" && /root/notify_incron.sh /tmp/moi/ blaaa IN_ACCESS 1)
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11:18<Zathraz>the ) is killing but no idea how to force it not being send
11:18<kop>Cadmium01 : You want to read the debian policy manual, I think.
11:19<Cadmium01>kop, thanks, will look it up
11:19<valdyn>Cadmium01: aptitude or apt-get arent responsible for this, dpkg is
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11:20<valdyn>Cadmium01: but it might not be documented there either, i dont know
11:20<Cadmium01>valdyn, so it is not safe to do apt-get upgrade?
11:20<Cadmium01>possibly it causing problems with existing configration ?
11:20<valdyn>Cadmium01: did i imply that?
11:20<stew>Cadmium01: upgrade can touch conf files. if you've made changes to the conf files since they were installed, the conffiles shouldn't be touched without confirmation from you first
11:20<valdyn>Cadmium01: depends, its safe in stable
11:21<valdyn>Cadmium01: it can obviously not be safe in general
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11:24<kurumin># ceara
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11:35<R_Dragon>how would I mount a drive that has debian installed on it into the current filesytem? I need the /home partition in particular.
11:37<R_Dragon>I have set up a directory as /media/users as the mount point.
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11:37<petemc>mount /dev/sdNN /media/users
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11:40<levb>hi, i'm configuring a mailserver with postfix and ldap
11:41<levb>but i have some troubles wiht this
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11:44<levb>can somebody helpme?
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11:47<Gun_Smoke>petemc, with -t right? mount -t ext* /dev/sdNN /media/users?
11:49<petemc>shouldnt need that
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11:51<R_Dragon>'/dev/sda9 does not exist.
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11:53<R_Dragon>I'm still trying to get the drive to mount
11:53<petemc>fdisk -l /dev/sda
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11:55<R_Dragon>the boot partition mounts just fine. I need the other partitions mounted.
11:56<Gun_Smoke>R_Dragon, is it listed in fdisk -l /dev/sda ? if not it doesn't exist.
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11:56<Gun_Smoke>or... try fdisk -l /dev/sdb
11:57<Gun_Smoke>should be sda however
11:57<Joran>hi guys... quick question - does the current installer allow for serial installs?
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11:57<R_Dragon>sdb is the drive that I am using for the current install, I'm trying to mount sda.
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11:59<petemc>R_Dragon: you dont seem to pick up on what people say very well - does sda9 appear in the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda ?
11:59<R_Dragon>no it doesn't
11:59<petemc>so sda9 isnt what you want
11:59<petemc>pick one of the partitions that does appear, mount that
12:00<petemc>rinse and repeat as necessary
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12:04<R_Dragon>now it is saying "mount: unknown filesystem type 'lvm2pv'"
12:04<Dandre>hello,
12:04<Dandre> am trying to install an embedded system with debootstrap on a foreign host.
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12:05<Dandre>when I run the second stage on the target I get an error 'PATH not set'
12:05<Dandre>what can I do?
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12:05<Dandre>PATH is set
12:05<Gun_Smoke>R_Dragon, well keep on going through them.. one of them will be your old /home
12:06<R_Dragon>tanks
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12:06<Gun_Smoke>Dandre, look at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/320188
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12:07<slush>How can I let dbconfig-common forget previous given input, while installing a package?
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12:08<Dandre>ok thanks Gun_Smoke
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12:09<daniel>.de
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12:18<tapiro>irc://irc.tuttiamici.net
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12:21<stella>allo
12:22<stella>!music
12:22<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, music is at http://www.napster.com, ftp://ftp.scene.org/music/, ftp://Grep.is.org/cool, http://freenetproject.org/
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12:30<djc>napster sucks
12:30<djc>seeqpod.com
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12:30<seilor_mun>hi
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12:42<mikeyjk>installing debian on mah ps3 :3
12:43<djc>oh yeah? Im installing slackware on my microwave oven
12:43<mikeyjk>ahha outdone sir
12:43<djc>heh
12:43<mikeyjk>nah I am very new to linux
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12:43<ChristofferC>installing netbsd on my toaster
12:43<mikeyjk>found the partioning confusing
12:43<djc>actually im scraping 4 gigs of mp3s from seeqpod.com
12:43<mikeyjk>how do you install linux on a toaster by the way :/
12:43<mikeyjk>do you have to write your own drivers/
12:43<djc>get a very advanced toaster
12:44<mikeyjk>advanced toaster eh
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12:44<koollman>mikeyjk: the last 'netbsd toaster' I heard of was done as a way to show how to use an embedded card, and how to write drivers for it (and for the PR/marketing, of course)
12:45<djc>ugh. I should go to the store
12:46<koollman>mikeyjk: http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php
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12:46<djc>pick a reasonable well known musical artist
12:47<koollman>djc: there's not reasonable artist. it's an oxymoron ;)
12:47<djc>reasonably well-known i meant
12:47<djc>eg pick an artist, but not some niche-only-ever-heard-of-in-some-odd-corner-of-the-world
12:48<djc>music artist
12:48<djc>group/band/singer, etc
12:48<djc>anyone
12:49<djc>no one here listens to music?
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12:49<koollman>no
12:49<djc>fine then
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12:49<mikeyjk>I do
12:49<mikeyjk>: D
12:49<djc>ok, name a reasonbly well-known artist
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12:49<djc>your favorite, perhaps
12:49<mikeyjk>Hmm
12:49<mikeyjk>Wont name a favourite
12:49<mikeyjk>Well ill name
12:49<mikeyjk>2
12:49<mikeyjk>Thomas Erak
12:49<djc>ok fine, just pick one
12:50<koollman>but, fine ... madonna, elvis presley, michael jackson . (all are reasonnably well known)
12:50<mikeyjk>Matt Bellamy?
12:50<djc>pick *one*
12:50<mikeyjk>Matt Bellamy is well known in England
12:50<mikeyjk>also I managed to forget my user name/pass for my debian login. Am I screwed?
12:50<djc>hrm.. i can't find either of the two you gave, mikeyjk
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12:51<djc>this is somewhat us-centric
12:51<mikeyjk>um kk
12:51<mikeyjk>Well John Mayer then?
12:51<djc>do they release music under their own name?
12:51<mikeyjk>Whoever I dont understand why you are doing this anyway :P
12:51<mikeyjk>yah
12:51<djc>or as part of a band/group?
12:51<mikeyjk>band/group
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12:51<mikeyjk>Matt Bellamy = frontman of Muse
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12:51<djc>ok muse is good
12:51<djc>name a track by them
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12:52<mikeyjk>Hoodoo
12:52<mikeyjk>Plug In Baby
12:52<mikeyjk>Hysteria
12:52<mikeyjk>all 3 of which I can play on guitar...
12:52<djc>http://youtube.seeqpod.com/m/10.Hoodoo.mp3?t=41ef38007342bab56a72b58be8d433054e5c6bd009b8262c88ba209b2356b0ac2235a483bb0bd39e&h=dff5804f4d9bd79891db49e650550275b41e23cd
12:52<djc>grab it, play it
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12:52<shams>guys can tell me sm of the best app for ubuntu
12:52<shams>am new one to ubu
12:52<mikeyjk>haha!
12:52<mikeyjk>that's pretty cool
12:52<shams>oh common dnt be funny
12:53<djc>1. This is #debian, not #ubuntu.. however, 'linux apps' are mostly the same
12:53<djc>what type of app?
12:53<shams>any interesting like music network tools
12:53<djc>Im not entirely sure what a 'music network' tool would be
12:53<shams>sorry music or any network tool
12:53<mikeyjk>Like streams media?
12:54<djc>if you mean 'illegal music copying software'.. then look into bittorrent
12:54<shams>nope
12:54<djc>which isnt linux-specific
12:54<klaz168>what are you trying to find?
12:54<Supaplex>a clue. HAH
12:54<djc>you need to be more specific what you want to do
12:54<shams>any applications guys
12:54<djc>application for what?
12:54<shams>any application which u know
12:54<djc>to do what?
12:54<klaz168>name something then go to google.com/linux and look for urself!
12:54<Supaplex>!tell shams -about search
12:55<shams>kk cool
12:55<djc>you dont start with 'what can I do with this OS'..
12:55<djc>you start with 'what do I want to do', then you find a tool to do it
12:55<mikeyjk>lolol true
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12:55<klaz168>or read a book
12:55<djc>and if you don't, you crack out a compiler and start writing one
12:55<djc>:P
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12:57<mikeyjk>Lolz
12:57<djc>mikeyjk, anyway, www.seeqpod.com
12:57<mikeyjk>Yeah I basically want to try out linux because I saw my lecturer using KDbg
12:57<mikeyjk>which was pretty gnarly
12:57<djc>of course, its all flash based and doesnt give you anyway to directly download the mp3
12:58<mikeyjk>unless djc is in lobby ;P
12:58<djc>lobby?
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12:58<djc>what do you mean?
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13:00<mikeyjk>like
13:00<mikeyjk>this chat
13:00<mikeyjk>room
13:00<mikeyjk>prob should have just said #debian
13:00<djc>'irc channel'
13:00<mikeyjk>shhh
13:00<seilor_mun>:o
13:01<mikeyjk>so yeah. KDbg looks pretty cool for debugging. Shows outputs and how it runs through each line.
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13:01<mikeyjk>i'm a first year :3
13:01<djc>well I must go to the store.. i think
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13:01<mikeyjk>Haha
13:02<mikeyjk>the certainty
13:02<mikeyjk>was overwhelming
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13:24<amjad>how can I turn off the beep in bash?
13:24<stew>amjad: /msg dpkg bell
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13:25<amjad>stew, thanks, let me check
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13:30<amjad>stew, Is it a package I need to install
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13:31<stew>dpkg: tell amjad about bell
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13:31<amjad>I did not find something like that
13:31<ottoshmidt>is adding "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get update enough to see backports packages listed in Synaptic?
13:32<stew>amjad: the bot named dpkg should have sent you a message
13:32<amjad>when I do a search using aptitude or apt-get
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13:32<stew>amjad: did you see the message from the bot named dpkg ?
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13:35<Cadmium01>Can someone direct me to as decent howto/readme for debian syslog?
13:35<GinoMan>ues
13:35<GinoMan>yes*
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13:36<GinoMan>backport packages will be downloaded over non-backport packages
13:36<GinoMan>unfortunately I have an issue of my own, my boot process isn't working
13:36<GinoMan>I had to really fanangle the thing just to get to xfce under root booting into single user mode
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13:37<amjad>stew, I got it, thanks a lot
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13:39<GinoMan>still haven't figured out what is going wrong in the boot process
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13:45<Cadmium01>Can someone direct me to as decent howto/readme for debian syslog?
13:46<valdyn>Cadmium01: man syslog.conf
13:46<Cadmium01>valdyn, thanks
13:46<Cadmium01>no manual entry for it :)
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13:50<Supaplex>Cadmium01: apropos syslog. it might be rsyslog now.
13:50<Supaplex>eg, stable.
13:51<Cadmium01>Supaplex, cool, fond it thanks
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13:54<Cadmium01>is it safe to remove *.gz in /var/log ?
13:54<dan457>now if I could just stop X from reseting every time I hold a key down for 2 sec....
13:54<Supaplex>Cadmium01: log rotate does that
13:54<dan457>The joys of running alpha versions....
13:54<Supaplex>Cadmium01: you can delete .gz files if you want... are you out of room?
13:55<Cadmium01>Supaplex, no, plentyof room :)
13:55*Supaplex reaches over to dan457's keyboard and holds down the shift key for 3 seconds
13:55<dan457>lol
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13:56<dan457>Well, only does it on this box. dunno if it's the nvidia driver or twin monitor setup i'm using. Hoping it works it's way out by the time 9.04 goes gold.
13:56<Cadmium01>in ls -l <- is the date the last modified date or the date file was created?
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13:57<Supaplex>Cadmium01: ls has dozens of command line options. I'm sure it's in the man page. I don't recall, but to hazard a guess, last modified.
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13:59<adama>Cadmium01: it would be simple to test and find out
13:59<Cadmium01>Supaplex, how do I search man page? when I type man ls for examle it opens it in `more`
13:59<dan457>It's the last modified
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14:00<dan457>ls -u shows last accessed instead of last modified
14:01<Cadmium01>any awy to tell when file was created?
14:01<dan457>Hmm, not sure there...
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14:01<Supaplex>the stat command can tell
14:01<Supaplex>I don't recall what ls switch. :)
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14:02<Cadmium01>Supaplex, cool
14:02<dan457>Yes, stat filename or stat directoryname will tell you a bunch of info, including that.
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14:02<LiCeT>hi all
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14:03<Cadmium01>awesome, thanks guys
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14:05<fxiny>a cat in every socks ?
14:06<Supaplex>good guess
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14:06<fxiny>i mean : are the socks rolling around ? :P
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14:06<Supaplex>only when the cat is near
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14:14<themill>!ctime
14:14<dpkg>UNIX does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. At all. Ever. You can't get it. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc.
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14:15<fxiny>!atime
14:15<fxiny>:P
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14:20<demedura>Hi all
14:20<adama>hello
14:22<demedura>Does anyone know why on *one* server, my only choice is lilo ? I installed it in etch, I was surprised to see it was runnin lilo when I wanted to reinstall it (I had to reboot once to see if there was nothing important on it before I install lenny)
14:23<adama>because you installed lilo when setting it up?
14:23<demedura>Now, I installed lenny with the netinstall CD on LVM over a software RAID. But I'm sure I used a full LVM, a netinstall CD and a full software RAID before and always used grub.
14:23<demedura>Actually the debian installer doesn't let me choose grub.
14:24<adama>I don't know. Someone else probably would, checked google?
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14:25<demedura>I think it's weird, and I don't feel comfortable installing lilo. If everything goes wrong, nobody in my team would be able to be as performant as we are when debugging with grub.
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14:25<demedura>adama: I tried already, but i'll try again harder.
14:26<adama>*shrug* not saying you shouldn't ask here, I just don't know and though google might
14:26<adama>someone else here probably does know but they're not paying attention :P
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14:29<fredoslack>test
14:29<fredoslack>test
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14:32<fredoslack>test
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14:33<LiCeT>lol
14:33<noflash>!lol
14:33<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
14:33<noflash>;)
14:34<adama>!pal LiCeT
14:34*dpkg points at LiCeT and laughs hysterically
14:34<demedura>adema: yes I understood what you meant, no worries
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14:35<Cyorxamp>Hey, I've an etch box running bind9 just nicely... I have a lenny box that I want to replicate it... can someone show me how to do that?
14:35<Cyorxamp>the only resources I've found are for sarge
14:36<adama>Cyorxamp: upgrade your etch box to lenny?
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14:36<Cyorxamp>adama, how does that help?
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14:36<francesco>hi all
14:36<francesco>i have a problem with k3b
14:36<francesco>anyone can give me a hit ?
14:36<francesco>hint
14:36<Cyorxamp>adama, I want to replicate the zones in bind
14:36<Cyorxamp>adama, make a secondary DNS server
14:37<demedura>Cyorxamp: do you mean make your lenny be a slave of the etch box ?
14:37<adama>ahhh
14:37<Cyorxamp>:) sorry
14:37<adama>francesco: ask your question
14:37<francesco>ok
14:37<francesco>sometime k3b work well some time stop cd burn at 96%
14:37<francesco>saying
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14:38<francesco>"Cdrecord has no permission to open the device"
14:38<demedura>Cyorxamp: the way zone transfert works didn't really change from etch to lenny (bind 8-9)
14:38<Cyorxamp>demedura, good.. so where do I start?
14:39<francesco>the log say "
14:39<francesco>Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, Segment 0
14:39<francesco>Sense Code: 0x0C Qual 0x00 (write error) Fru 0x0
14:39<francesco>Sense flags: Blk 341092 (not valid)
14:39<francesco>/usr/bin/wodim: A write error occured.
14:39<francesco>/usr/bin/wodim: Please properly read the error message above.
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14:39<francesco>sorry for the many line
14:39<Cyorxamp>demedura, or do you mean it didn't change between sarge, etch, and lenny?
14:40<demedura>Cyorxamp: well, I did this like 3 years ago, so I can't tell you out of my mind, but baically iirc : define your authorised slaves on the master, tell the slaves to point on the master and don't forget to update the serial every time
14:40<francesco>the strange thing is that sometime it work well
14:40<demedura>did I miss something ?
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14:41<francesco>any idea ?
14:41<demedura>Cyorxamp: I guess it didn't change a lot. I don't remember exactly. Sarge was a long time ago. But When I updated, as far as I remember, I didn't have any trouble updating.
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14:41<adama>francesco: perhaps the amount of data you are writing is slightly too much for the blank CD? Or your drive doesn't support it somehow...
14:41<Mkman>hello e nedd help please
14:41<Cyorxamp>demedura, http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_bind9_master_slave_system
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14:42<Cyorxamp>demedura, been trying to follow the bit at the end about the slave - look about right?
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14:42<francesco>no is not that the case
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14:42<francesco>cd are 700 mb
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14:42<Cyorxamp>demedura, only thing that confuses me is it specifies which zone to copy... I just simply want them all copied
14:42<francesco>and file is 688 mb
14:42<roma>podskazhite rus kanal
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14:43<demedura>Cyorxamp: yes, it seems ok to me. Just drop the compilation stage.
14:43<roma>podskazhite rus kanal
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14:43<francesco>i'm on a fresh debian install ... maybe i miss doing something ?ù
14:43<Cyorxamp>demedura, oh the master dns has been installed for years.. just and apt-get install bind9
14:43<Cyorxamp>*an
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14:44<roma>Than to mount video? To insert pictures, and between them video? help my!
14:45<Supaplex>!ru
14:45<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
14:46<roma>!ru
14:46<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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14:46<Mkman>HELLO e have a problem with my network
14:46<roma>i ban
14:46<Supaplex>!don't work
14:46<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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14:47<Supaplex>Mkman: details ...
14:47<Mkman>my english is not very goog but i go try
14:47<Mkman>*good
14:48<adema>i don't really know where to ask, so i try here.
14:48<adema>when i play music with audacious, if my computer goes to sleep(ie : screen become black) the music stop
14:48<adema>it's very annoying :o
14:48<adema>this happens even if i kill xscreensaver (or gnome-screensaver, i tried both)
14:48<gnewb>adema: Laptop or desktop?
14:48<[gloom]>with my last sid update, kde has become a little crazy. I use an external TFT with my laptop in twinview mode. Now, when a window is maximized, it goes the size of both screens, instead the normal behaviour (it should maximize the window to the size of the monitor it was). any idea hot to solve it?
14:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 408] by debhelper
14:49<Mkman>Supaplex, i have a wireless but e dont now why i go configurer
14:49<adama>adema: disable sleep in power management
14:49<adema>laptop
14:49<adema>debian/squeeze, running xfce as wm
14:49<adema>adama, where is the "power management" ?
14:49<gnewb>adema: Yes, what adama said is correct.
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14:50<adema>i'll take a look :p
14:50<adama>I don't know.. i use gnome
14:50<adema>:o
14:50<adama>/usr/bin/gnome-power-manager :P
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14:51<Mkman>Supaplex, you are there
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14:51<adema>gnome-power-manager is not launched
14:51<gnewb>Graphically it is system>preferences>power managment
14:51<Mkman>any PT in where?
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14:51<Mkman>hier?
14:51<adema>i'm using xfce gnewb, i never launched gnome-power-manager :o
14:52<gnewb>Oh, ok, let me look at the manual on that.
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14:52<adema>ho!, i just lauched it, my screen is "whiter" than before, it's nice !
14:53<Supaplex>!tell Mkman -about wifi
14:53<phreck>im having isssues gettig my bc412 chipset running, any tips?
14:54<phreck>BCM4312
14:54<fxiny>adema: switch the stroblight off :P
14:54<adema>what? :p
14:54<fxiny>strobe*
14:55<adema>well, i told gnome-power-manager to desactivate "sleeping", when i closed my screen laptop, the music didn't stop, but when i opened it, it stopped
14:55<adema>xD
14:55<adama>:\
14:56<Mkman>3945-1.ucode
14:57<adema>well, i told gnome-power-manager not to turn off my screen, i now it works!
14:57<Cyorxamp>demedura, do you understand why a zone was specified on the slave?
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14:57<adama>!tell Mkman -about iwl3945
14:58<Mkman>i can have network manager like ubuntu?
14:58<adama>Mkman: yes, sure
14:58<adema>oh, i have one last question
14:58<Mkman>why?
14:58<demedura>Cyorxamp: well, you have to specify the zones you want to "mirror".
14:58<adama>why not?
14:59<adema>why dpes the linux-headers-2.6.28-1-686 is broken :o ?
14:59<Cyorxamp>demedura, can I not just say -all- the auth zones on master mirror on slave?
14:59<Mkman>i have the firmware
14:59<adema>'cause i'd like to try the 2.6.28kernel, but if i don't have the headers, i can't have wifi, nvidia driver etc... xD
14:59<Mkman>i dont now why i go configurer my wireless connection
15:00<phreck>im having the same issue with wifi
15:00<demedura>Cyorxamp: I have no idea if you can do this. I doubt it, but I'm not a bind expert
15:00<phreck>ran the bcm fw cutter, had it extract firmware, dont know what to do after hat
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15:01<adama>Mkman: nm-applet
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15:03<Mkman>ok thank you and sury for my english errors
15:03<adema>in fact the linux-kbuild-2.6.28 package doesn't seems to exist
15:03<adema>it's sad
15:03<Cyorxamp>demedura, would I do just as well making a script to copy my zones files over using SCP and just do it that way? lmao
15:04<Mkman>adema, i see very error in my shell because the nm-applet
15:04<gnewb>adema: Did you look at this page> http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/
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15:05<demedura>Cyorxamp: why would you do this ? If I'd have an advice to give you, stick to the clean way. Dirty way always break someday
15:06<adema>no, why gnewb ?
15:06<Cyorxamp>demedura, but the clean way doesn't work... i'd have to keep telling the secondary what to mirror - it's daft
15:07<gnewb>adema: That one is a Debian page, it also has a link to known bugs and issues and how to resolve them.
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15:08<adema>k thx
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15:10<[gloom]>mmm which debian mailing list should one join to submit a bug report?
15:10<stew>[gloom]: you don't submit them to a mailing list, use the reportbug tool to report a bug
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15:12<[gloom]>stew: yeah, the thing is that the bug is already open for one package, and I would like to report It is still present in another version of the package... Should I do this too with the reportbug tool? In the web interface of the BTS, there's a link that says "reply to this bug"... That's why I guessed that a mailing list is required...
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15:14<stew>[gloom]: send an email to control@bugs.debian.org with "found bugnumber version" in the body
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15:15<[gloom]>stew: and that's it? no more info? Just for example "foung XXXXXXX 1.2"?
15:15<[gloom]>:D found
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15:16<stew>[gloom]: yes. if you want to include more information about the bug you can send email to "bugnumber@bugs.debian.org"
15:17<[gloom]>stew: aha. Thank you. There I can include a little more info.
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15:21<LiCeT>i have a boot time of 2:41 (bootchart) ...nearly 130s "init"
15:21<LiCeT>someone an idea how to improve?
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15:22<simonrvn>one of my boxen has one of 7, and you're complaining about 2:41 ?
15:23<adama>LiCeT: don't reboot
15:23<LiCeT>:D
15:23<LiCeT>thats an idea
15:23<adama>that's what I do!
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15:24<LiCeT>simon...i'm not complaining...
15:24<simonrvn>said box doesn't reoot often either ;)
15:24<simonrvn>reb*
15:24<[gloom]>stew: Could you please take a minute and check this? OS this an appropiate format, or should I include anything else? http://debian.pastebin.com/m6fc2ce99
15:24<LiCeT>just want to know if its "normal"
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15:24<LiCeT>new to all this
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15:25<simonrvn>well depends what you're running, and if it's fully functional and working normally :).
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15:25<LiCeT>yeah...all working normally
15:25<zem>how do you check boottime anyway? ^^
15:25<simonrvn>so nothing is stalling during boot?
15:25<LiCeT>i just wondered about most of time is "init"
15:25<LiCeT>thats all
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15:26<simonrvn>zem: stopwatch :P
15:26<adama>yeh a clock
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15:26<simonrvn>well i guess then it's ok if everything's working like it should.
15:26<zem>i'd had to reboot for that :D
15:27<zem>*have
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15:28<adama>zem: you may be able to figure it out by reading dmesg if it hasn't been truncated
15:28<adama>methinks
15:28<simonrvn>the debian kernels have timestamps, just read those off
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15:28<LiCeT>well...if its ok...its good for me
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15:30<adama>zem: you can guess by the difference between the timestamps of PID 1 (init) and something like gdm that starts at the end of booting, perhaps
15:30<zem>hmm... /var/log/dmesg stops at 17 sec
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15:31<simonrvn>enable bootlogd i guess, or check syslog
15:32-!-hyksos [~hyksos@p54AE117E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
15:32<djc>was just looking at my dmesg (not trunctated)
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15:32<djc>and I can't quite tell where it runs 'init'
15:32<djc>it isnt specifically mentioned anywhere
15:32<aetheria>what's the difference between the debian live "standard" vs. gnome or other versions=
15:32<hyksos>hi, someone knows why in the emdebian repository for lenny the binutils package 2.18cvs... is not available anymore?
15:33<djc>hyksos, perhaps theres a newer one?
15:33<hyksos>djc: no theres none
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15:33<djc>my binutils is 2.18.1
15:33<hyksos>in the unstable repo it was available, in lenny not
15:33<djc>wait.. whats the 'emdebian' repo
15:34<hyksos>djc: its for cross compiling powerpc
15:34<djc>oh
15:34<djc>nevermind then. no idea
15:34<datak>hi you all, anybody knows where does synaptic installs wordpress by default?
15:34<djc>datak if you've installed it, click 'properties' for it, and look at 'installed files'
15:34<zem>27sec, that seems more reasonable
15:34<aetheria>datak: dpkg -L wordpress will list it for you
15:34<simonrvn>embedian is for embedded devices
15:34<Supaplex>datak: apt-file show wordpress if you don't have the package installed.
15:35<djc>web/php apps are about the only things I would *not* install via apt
15:35<datak>sure,thanks, im sostupid xD
15:35<hyksos>sime: emdebian
15:35<datak>@djc: why?
15:35<simonrvn>yeh, that :P
15:35<hyksos>sime: sorry was for simonrvn
15:35<djc>becuase where/how your webserver is setup is entirely local
15:35<djc>or, at the very least, if you want the apt version, install it, but dont 'run' from that set of files
15:35<djc>copy the entire tree into the desired webroot
15:36<djc>this comes from running lots of virtual webhosts on one machine
15:36<datak>I am installing a local replica of all my sites;one is in wordpres...just for editing basically templates and graphs, and later upload to server..
15:36<djc>copy the entire tree into the desired webroot (or subdirectory)
15:36<djc>ugh.. well.. thats one way to do it
15:37<djc>ssh server; cp file.ext file.ext.bak; $EDITOR file.ext is another
15:37<djc>or even $EDITOR file.ext.bak
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15:37<djc>and then swap the bak and the original
15:38<djc>editing a website in one place and ftping the files to the server is something that ive always considered just plain silly
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15:38<datak>incaseanybody is courious, is in /usr/share/wordpress/wp-includes/j
15:39<datak>yes,me too
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15:39<datak>thanks so much for the info, guys/girls
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15:43<mirkux> /dns splitgames.fr
15:43<djc>mirkux, ?
15:44<roberto>hi all
15:44<roberto>can somebody hel me please?
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15:44<djc>Heh.. seeqpod.com will let you send tracks 'to your mobile' by SMS
15:44<djc>it sends a link, of course
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15:44<djc>but it just so happens that link is to an html page with direct links to the mp3
15:45<simonrvn>!tell roberto -about ask
15:45<roberto>hi
15:45<djc>they probably figure if they send them SMS people can only get them on their cell, and at a limited rate
15:45<roberto>i have a problem with 3d acceleration
15:45<djc>but I was able to send them to my google voice (fka grandcentral) number
15:45<roberto>i've installe the latest debiam distribution
15:45<roberto>but 3d acceleration is inactive
15:46<djc>what symptom are you seeing?
15:46<djc>or are you just seeing a message that its 'inactive' ?
15:46<djc>is there something you want to run that you arent able to?
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15:47<slimjim>can anyone tell me howto change the file system on a ext USB drive. when i unmount it gparted can no longer see it
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15:47<slimjim>it is currently NFTS but i want to make it strickly EX3 it is a wd 1tb element usb drive
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15:47<seilor_mun>hi :o
15:48<djc>you'd need to reformate it.. be aware that will erase/remove everything currently stored on it
15:48<slimjim>no i know tha tmuch
15:48<slimjim>but what can i use to do that
15:48<adama>slimjim: cfdisk
15:48<djc>also note that (ext3) is not going to be readable in windows
15:48<slimjim>if i unmount it then gparted will not allow me to see it
15:48<slimjim>thank adama
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15:49<adama>hmm, wonder if he'll be back :P
15:49<djc>probably
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15:49<djc>what does cfdisk do that regular fdisk doesnt?
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15:49*djc notes that he doesnt even have it installed
15:49<adama>nothing, just looks nicer , ncurses sort of thing
15:49<djc>ah
15:50<slimjim>when i do cfdisk do i need to point it at the drive
15:50<adama>I actually use fdisk usually because it's always available
15:50<adama>yes, cfdisk /dev/sdb for example
15:50<djc>oddly, it doesnt even come up in a searh in synaptic
15:50<adama>hmm
15:50<djc>all I get is 'gpart' which mentioned it in the descr
15:50<slimjim>ok i am in linux i did not think linux had fdisk i thougt that was winwow$
15:51<djc>note that fdisk will only create/remove paritions not 'format' them
15:51<djc>you could use fdisk to remove the ntfs parition, and then if you are more comfortable with gparted use it to make a new partition in th 'free space'
15:51<djc>'format' = 'mkfs'
15:52<djc>*nix fdisk has a slightly different UI than MS fdisk
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15:52<slimjim>neither one will open the volume
15:52<djc>what command are you giving?
15:53<djc>what device is the drive you want to work on?
15:53<slimjim>(fdisk /dev/sdb
15:53<slimjim>it is a usb
15:53<slimjim>let me check the dev folder
15:53<djc>are you sure its sdb?
15:53<djc>dmesg
15:53<adama>/dev/sdb must be the drive in question - check dmesg|tail
15:53<djc>use dmesg right after you remove then replug it in
15:53<slimjim>(sda1)
15:53<adama>slimjim: ls -l /dev/sd* will probably help
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15:54<amjad>can't ownership of a symlink be changed?
15:54<djc>sda is more likely to me your main drive
15:54<djc>me/be
15:54<djc>use dmesg right after you remove then replug the usb in
15:54<amjad>I am trying to change symlink a folder and it still remains as root
15:54<adama>slimjim: does mount say that sda1 is mounted ?
15:54<slimjim>i just did that is the drive WD 10EACS Ext
15:54<adama>or is your / drive an hda
15:54<djc>amjad, why do you need to? the permissions of the pointed file control access, not of the link
15:55<adama>amjad, yeah read man ln
15:55<slimjim>my / is a hda
15:55<adama>ok
15:55<adama>cfdisk /dev/sda then
15:55<slimjim>ok
15:55<amjad>djc, apache complains about that
15:55<djc>amjad, remove the link then create it again?
15:55<slimjim>fatal error and it just unmounted it again
15:55<djc>note that if the directory its in is owned by root, only root can create it
15:55<amjad>ok, let me redo that
15:56<djc>slimjim, perhaps delete the ntfs fs from in gparted?
15:56<adama>amjad: apache must be configured to follow links as well
15:56<djc>you dont want it mounted while you are fiddling with it
15:56<slimjim>i have tried i can not edit in in gparted
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15:56<slimjim>it is mounted (locked)
15:56<adama>slimjim: what does fdisk -l /dev/sda say?
15:56<amjad>adama, it works for others so I guess it already has that directive
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15:56<adama>ok
15:57<slimjim>let me try have to unplug and plug it back it is not visable anymore
15:57<djc>ok, if you are *certain* that there is *no* valuable data on that drive at all of any kind, and you are certain that it is sda, then do:
15:57<dr|z3d>slimjim: Unmount it in gparted.
15:57<djc>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10
15:57<djc>then remove it, then reinsert
15:57<slimjim>i have then it disapears
15:57<slimjim>gparted no longer see it as a drive
15:57<djc>that will completely blow away its partition table
15:57<adama>slimjim: it should still be available to fdisk
15:57<slimjim>fdisk does not see it
15:57<djc>then either with fdisk or something you should be able to make a new partition
15:58<adama>no /dev/sd* ??
15:58<djc>dmesg
15:58<slimjim>ok i got it up
15:58<slimjim>dmesg
15:58<zem>i thinkyou have to unmount it first for fdisk
15:58<slimjim>sorry wrong window
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15:59<djc>if you have gnome/kde running it tries to automount removable media
15:59<slimjim>i have xfce
15:59<djc>that can get in the way when trying to modify partitions
15:59<djc>well it sounds like something is automounting it
15:59<slimjim>is there a way around that
15:59<djc>you dont want it mounted
15:59<djc>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10
15:59<slimjim>well how can i see it now
15:59<djc>that will completely blow away its partition table
15:59<djc>then remove it, then reinsert
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16:00<slimjim>ok type that were in terminal
16:00<djc>where else?
16:00<slimjim>or with fdisk or cfdisk
16:00<adama>forget gparted, don't use dd, just unmount it, don't unplug, and fdisk
16:00<djc>make sure you *have* an /dev/sda
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16:00<djc>it sounds like he doesnt have it mounted, and cant mount it, at the moment
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16:01<djc>so first remove it, then replug, to make sure it comes back as a device.. then if its mounted, he can force unmount it, but the desktop might try to remount it again
16:01<slimjim>ok did the dd
16:01<amjad>adama, apache has this directive +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
16:01<slimjim>i am reincerting it now
16:01<djc>slimjim, ok, remove, wait, then reinsert it
16:01<djc>ok
16:01<djc>then check dmesg
16:02<djc>if it still mounted it, unmount it from command line
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16:02<clancy>hi
16:02<roberto>HEY
16:02<clancy>i just see that iceweasel 3.0.6 is in lenny
16:02<roberto>I have a problem with 3d acceleration
16:02<roberto>can somebody help me?
16:02<clancy>aren't security issues fixed normally in stable?
16:02<djc>roberto, read back a few lines after where you asked that last time
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16:03<djc>other that it 'not being enabled' did you have some specific problem? is there something you want to run that isnt working right?
16:04<clancy>is pidgin updated when there are change in the msn protocol for example that the current version won't no longer work?
16:04<roberto>djc. you didn't answer me...
16:05<roberto>if i write down glxinfo ! grep rendering the answer is no!!
16:05*adama goes away
16:05<djc><djc> what symptom are you seeing?
16:05<djc><djc> or are you just seeing a message that its 'inactive' ?
16:05<djc><djc> is there something you want to run that you arent able to?
16:05<roberto>how can I activate the rendering?
16:05<roberto>those are questions...not answers...
16:06<roberto>now Im telling you my symptoms
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16:06<djc>and what difficulty is that causing you?
16:06<djc>what application isnt working as expected?
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16:06<roberto>I would like to install compiz and ut 2004
16:07<roberto>and if there's no active rendering I can't
16:07<djc>did it say that when you tried to install them?
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16:07<roberto>the don't work
16:07<Lok>Hmm
16:07<roberto>they don't work
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16:08<djc>what video card do you have?
16:10<roberto>geforce 8600gts
16:11<roberto>512 mb
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16:11<djc>have you tried googling 'geforce 8600gts debian direct rendering opengl' ?
16:11<roberto>I'm a noob on linux
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16:12<slimjim>sorry djc had to tend to the kids
16:12<roberto>i don't udenstand the howto
16:12<slimjim>give me a min to read and follow instructions
16:12<djc>note that this isnt paid debian support, its a random collection of people who use debian (or are thinking about it) that might be able to help each other
16:12<zem>how did you install the driver?
16:12<Supaplex>time's up
16:12<djc>no one here is *obligated* to give you instant answers
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16:13<djc>witht he possible execption of dpkg
16:13<djc>dpkg bark like a dog
16:13<dpkg>djc: i don't know
16:13<djc>dpkg google it then
16:13<slimjim>djc the cmd for unmount is just that in command line plus the dev locatoon correct
16:13<roberto>I didn't install any driver
16:13<djc>no 'n'
16:13<djc>'umount'
16:13<roberto>they came up with the cd
16:13<djc>'they' ?
16:14<zem>now that explains it
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16:14*djc looks around for the mysterious 'they'
16:14<roberto>the drivers came up with the cd
16:14<slimjim>says it is not mounted according to mtab
16:14<zem>you need to install propertiary nvidia drivers for 3d accel
16:14<djc>s/drivers/Xorg server
16:14<roberto>how?
16:14<zem>i use m-a, don't know if there is a better way
16:14<djc>roberto, does dmesg show your kernel as at least recognizing the device as /dev/sda ?
16:15<djc>zem, thats probably the best way
16:15<roberto>yes it shows my hdd as /dev/sda
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16:15<slimjim>ok got it unmounted then should it best to cfdisk or gparted
16:15<roberto>it's a serial ata maxtor
16:15<djc>roberto, ok, now use.. yes
16:15<djc>roberto, er, sorry, got nick's mixed up
16:15<djc>that sda bit was for slimjim
16:15<roberto>ok
16:15<roberto>:D
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16:16<slimjim>yes the dev is showing as /dev/sda1
16:16<roberto>zem. can I contact you in pvt?=
16:16<djc>you need to install the properietary nvidia code
16:16<djc>!nvidia
16:16<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
16:16<zem>roberto uname -r
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16:17<roberto>what??
16:17<djc>roberto, go to that url, follow the instructions there
16:17<roberto>uname -r what is tthat?
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16:17<zem>login into a console and run the command
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16:17<simonrvn>type it in on console
16:17<djc>he left
16:18<zem>oh well
16:18<simonrvn>got disconned
16:18<zem>scared of console?
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16:18<slimjim>djc still having same issue
16:18<simonrvn>type it in on console
16:18<djc>slimjim, what does it do now?
16:18<simonrvn>roberto: ^^^
16:18<djc>slimjim, if you fdisk /dev/sda what does it say?
16:18<slimjim>fatal eroor and gparted will not see it
16:18<slimjim>is says nothing
16:18<roberto>I'm here
16:18<slimjim>just goes back to cmd prompt
16:18<djc>it just exists back to prompt?
16:19<zem>roberto: open a console and type uname -r"
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16:19<zem>uname -r
16:19<djc>ok.. 1. unplug your usb device. 2. plug the usb device in. 3. wait 30 seconds or so. then 4. do dmesg | tail -50 and paste the result to pastebin
16:19<slimjim>for /dev/sda it says unable to open
16:19<roberto>typing uname -r this is the output: 2.6.26-1-686
16:19<slimjim>for /dev/sda1 it goes back to command line
16:19<djc>no just /dev/sda
16:19<slimjim>ok
16:19<djc>you cant partition a partition
16:19<slimjim>give me a min to do all that
16:19<zem>ok
16:20<djc>(at least I dont think so.. that would be weird)
16:20<slimjim>this particule drive has a power plug too so i have to power it down that way and unplug the usb cord
16:20<slimjim>let me pull up paste bik
16:20<djc>hrm.. id almost suggest leave the drive power connected
16:20<djc>just remove the usb, wait, then reinsert the usb
16:21<djc>you dont so much need to reset the drive, as you need the kernel/hotplug/hal to re-recognize it
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16:21<roberto>zem. What shoul I do now?
16:21<djc>!tell reobert about nvidia
16:21<djc>!tell roberto about nvidia
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16:21<slimjim>ok when i pluged it back in gove invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume in the GUI window
16:21<djc>it tried to mount it automatically?
16:22<djc>or you told it to try to mount it?
16:22<zem>roberto: you need to add contrib and non-free to your repositories
16:22<slimjim>auto
16:22<slimjim>stupid Xfce gui
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16:22<djc>ugh. well.. thats fine.. pastebin dmesg | tail -50
16:22<djc>we dont want/need it mounted anyway
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16:23<djc>also maybe inslude /etc/fstab
16:23<djc>*c
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16:23<slimjim>http://pastebin.com/m6be28afd
16:23<djc>ok looking
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16:23<slimjim>ok let me get the fstab for you
16:23<djc>wait
16:23<djc>just make sure it doesnt have any sda*
16:23<slimjim>ok
16:24<djc>if it does, paste t
16:24<djc>it
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16:24<slimjim>for fstab you mean
16:24<djc>if it doesnt, ignore it
16:24<djc>yeah fstab
16:24<slimjim>ok
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16:24<slimjim>ah crap i have forgoten how to geto fstab i have been out of it for a while and just now starting to get my feet wet again
16:24<slimjim>=)
16:25<stuckey>Anyone here use Ekiga?
16:25<roberto>there is an error during the instyallation
16:25<djc>cat /etc/fstab ?
16:25<djc>also cat /etc/mtab | grep sda
16:25<djc>if either one has sda mentioned at all, pastebin
16:25<slimjim>i do not see any sda at all just my first drive and then the second hard drive
16:25<slimjim>no the ext
16:26<djc>no sda in mtab either?
16:26<slimjim>came back with nothing on the second one
16:26<djc>if not, then: fdisk /dev/sda
16:26<slimjim>ok
16:26<djc>first command 'p'
16:26<djc>to see what is there
16:26<slimjim>ok it came up with the first page for fdisk
16:27<slimjim>going to bring up the command for it with help
16:27<djc>you know how to use linux fdisk? or what help?
16:27<djc>you'll need d to delete the ntfs part
16:27<djc>n to make a new one
16:27<djc>then enter size/etc
16:27<djc>then use t to set its 'type'
16:27<djc>then mkfs.ext3 to format it..
16:27<djc>mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
16:28<simonrvn>roberto: you need to communicate with us more. saying "there is an error during the instyallation" is not very helpful.
16:28<djc>if you make it the 'first' partition
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16:28<slimjim>since this is stand alone drive it will be primary correct
16:28<simonrvn>be more explicit
16:28<djc>slimjim, thats fine
16:28<djc>primary/'extended' only matters on drives you are going to run systems from, not on ones just for storage of 'stuff'
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16:29<djc>btw, you did catch that an ext3 fs will not be usable on windows
16:30<djc>if you need something portable between windows and linux, then vfat is what you want
16:30<slimjim>ok it is writing right now
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16:30<slimjim>with that last command you gave me
16:30<slimjim>looks like it will take a few min
16:30<slimjim>since it is a tb =)
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16:30<djc>i assume this is a platter not flash
16:30<slimjim>yea this is strickly linux system
16:30<slimjim>yea not flash
16:30<slimjim>actual drive in ext case
16:30<djc>havent heard of TB flash yet
16:30<slimjim>i wish
16:31<slimjim>that would be the best ever
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16:31<slimjim>ok i am going afk for a few to feed the kids
16:31<slimjim>let you know when it is finished
16:31<djc>anyway, once thats done.. and the drive has finished working
16:31<djc>you should be able to just remove it
16:31<djc>then reinsert
16:31<slimjim>ok
16:31<slimjim>gotcha
16:31<djc>and your automount thingy should catch it
16:32<djc>mp3s?
16:32<djc>:P
16:32<serraemeira>Hi guys! I really need your help. When I start video editor (kdenlive, cinelerra, avidemux etc) the monitor's image becomes strange: distortions, And this only happens with my user. These problems dont happen with others user of my system. What should I do?
16:33<slimjim>mp3s and movies
16:33<slimjim>dvd i am going to rip and take with my to the middle east (kuwait and qatar) no english tv over there
16:34<djc>serraemeira, the whole screen or just the application window?
16:34<slimjim>so i will be there for 9months and need something to watch
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16:34<djc>slimjim, will have Internet there?
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16:35<serraemeira>djc, the whole screen, actually is only a half
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16:35<djc>slimjim, military?
16:35<serraemeira>djc, thanks for answer
16:35<kristianpaul>what are the debian bots?
16:35<djc>serraemeira, other apps work fine? for instance, can you play video ok?
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16:35<serraemeira>Yeah, all video players work fine...
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16:36<djc>im actually insalling the apps you mentioned, to see if they work for me
16:36<djc>will take a moment
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16:37<serraemeira>Thanks, I am using Lenny + KDE + vesa in xorg
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16:38<djc>it works for other logins, but not yours?
16:38<djc>differen screen resolutions?
16:38<serraemeira>djc, The strange is this happen only with my user
16:38<djc>did it use to work, and then stop?
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16:38<slimjim>will have inet and I will be DoD contractor
16:38<slimjim>Force Protection officer
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16:39<serraemeira>Doesnt work in all logins, djc
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16:39<serraemeira>The screen resolutions are the same
16:39<djc>wait, what? it works for other users or not?
16:40<serraemeira>I installed my system 3 weaks ago...so I think this never worked
16:40<djc>slimjim, there are some shows you can catch online
16:40<djc>serraemeira, you said it worked for other users
16:40<djc>serraemeira, then you said 'doesnt work in all logins'
16:40<serraemeira>It works for other user
16:40<djc>im confusers
16:40<serraemeira>users
16:40<slimjim>djc if you want you can pm and i can give you my email and you can tell me more
16:41<djc>other users on the same computer?
16:41<djc>slimjim, i mean on network website
16:41<serraemeira>Yes, djc
16:41<djc>slimjim, like cbs has tons of their shows online
16:41-!-cheal is now known as chealer
16:41<djc>flash, and you have to watch some ads, but less than on live tv
16:41<djc>serraemeira, on the same computer?
16:42<slimjim>oh ok..yea but there are fliters on the internet over there. i will be living in the economy so i am stuck with local internet not military
16:42<djc>slimjim, oh ugh
16:42<djc>slimjim, sounds like you wanna setup a machine 'at home' with sshd on multiple alternate ports
16:42<slimjim>like it has to conform to islamic laws
16:42<djc>ssh tunnel proxy
16:42<slimjim>hehe i mght have to
16:43<djc>id do that *before* you left.. just in case ssh port 22 isnt open
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16:43<[gloom]>hi again
16:43<djc>110, 143, 8080, others..
16:43<serraemeira>djc, It doesn't work in all logins I do....but other users have sucessefull
16:43<serraemeira>djc, in the same computer
16:43<djc>serraemeira, ok, so for 'your' login id it doesnt work, but for 'other' people's login id's it works
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16:43<djc>login = userid
16:44<serraemeira>djc, yes
16:44<djc>serraemeira, ok.. well, something is different between your session and the others
16:44<djc>find that, and you find the cause
16:44<djc>something with the display settings possibly,
16:44<kernel>hi.how can control,what upgrade of testing and which software has been released yesterday,today,etc...
16:44<djc>or perhaps the settings/preferences for those apps
16:44<[gloom]>I'm on sid, and found a bug in kdebase. Package mantainer has told me this bug is not going to be fixed in the sid version, so either I downgrade kdebase to lenny, or I upgrade to kde4. My questio: How can I downgrade the kdebase package to the one in sid, without breaking the rest of the sid packages?
16:46<adb>!downgrade
16:46<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
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16:46<serraemeira>djc, It couldn't be the preferences for those apps because I've already purged and reinstalles them and this didn't work...
16:46<serraemeira>djc, Right?
16:47<[gloom]>adb: so, most probably I'll break something.... isn't it?
16:48<adb>yes
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16:49<Javier>ola
16:49<Javier>ai alguien
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16:50<adb>[gloom]: while are in sid , why not profit to file a bug report against kdebase?
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16:51<chealer>[gloom]: if you want to downgrade to sid, what are you using?
16:51<djc>!es
16:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:51<[gloom]>adb: I did. I filed the bug, and the mantainter told me it's not going to be fixed.
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16:52<djc>serraemeira, check for . files in your homedir
16:52<adb>ah , ok
16:52<[gloom]>chealer: sorry for the confusion. I want to downgrade kdebase FROM SID to the one on LENNY
16:52<djc>serraemeira, also, see what happens if you make a new login
16:52<adb>judd: versions kdebase
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16:52<judd>adb: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 squeeze: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 experimental: 4:4.2.1-1
16:52<Cadmium01>Is it possible that root on Machine B reverse sshed into machine A if user is sshed into machine b from machine a?
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16:53<Cadmium01>in other words: is sshing into a machine where someone else has a root access secrity threat for you?
16:53<djc>not usually, no
16:53<Cadmium01>can the root of the remote machine somehow use my connecion to break into my machine?
16:54<Cadmium01>djc, are you sure?
16:54<djc>thats not to say it wouldnt be possible for 'you' to create a scenario where it might be
16:54<djc>for instance, if you copy your root private key to the remote machine
16:54<Cadmium01>djc, no, would not do that :)
16:55<Supaplex>!tell [gloom] -about downgrade
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16:55<djc>while im not an ssh dev and can certainly not make any guarantees, i would feel reasonable confident that using ssh in its normal manner to connect to a remove machine isnt going to give the remote machine any special access to your machine
16:55<[gloom]>adb: ok, so is there any way to downgrade kdebase from the one currently in sid, not to the one in lenny, but to the one that was in sid like 3 weeks ago? Right now, sid has 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.. Maybe it's less messy to downgrade to 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1, than the one in lenny that should be older...
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16:56<serraemeira>djc, thanks! I'm from Brazil and I've really apreciated your help!
16:56<djc>serraemeira, sorry I couldnt be of more help
16:56<panagos>Cadmium01: the server end can't hijack your connection :)
16:56<adb>[gloom]: i dunno
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16:56<djc>and even if something was horribly wrong with ssh where it could, it would only get *your* access, not root
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16:57<djc>assuming you are sshing as a normal user and not root
16:58<Cadmium01>panagos, good :)
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17:04<dondelelcaro>though if you ever become root from such an account, the attacker can become root too
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17:06<[gloom]>anyone tried that to downgrade a package? http://snapshot.debian.net/
17:06<[gloom]>sounds risky to me:D
17:06<chealer>[gloom]: what are the problematic dependencies, or what happens if you try a trivial downgrade?
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17:08<[gloom]>chealer: don't know. I'm scared:D I didn't try it yet. But being kdebase the package I want to downgrade, I think that "problematic" is exactly the word...
17:08<[gloom]>:D
17:09<slimjim>djc it is still formating...=)....only at 1177 / 7453
17:09<chealer>[gloom]: well, if you don't know what the problem is, we can't tell you the solution
17:11<[gloom]>chealer: the question was if anyone knew a safe way to downgrading kdebase to an earlier version, that ensures me not to break the rest of the sid packages...... kdebase has lots of dependencies...
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17:23<chealer>[gloom]: do a trivial downgrade, and if anything breaks, upgrade it back
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17:34<jason_>How do I restart the apache service?
17:35<dr|z3d>jason: /etc/init.d/apache restart ?
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17:36<chealer>jason_: which apache version do you use?
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18:14<Steven_M>hi all
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18:15<Steven_M>Did this security upgrade go without a hitch? http://paste.debian.net/31315/
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18:19<Steven_M>anyone?
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18:23<jay_>list
18:23<jay_>\help allchan
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18:24<Steven_M>Did this security upgrade go without a hitch? http://paste.debian.net/31315/
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18:32<adb>http://paste.debian.net/31321/
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18:45<InkBottle>On VMS you can't actually modify a file, instead you will have a file my_file.txt;35 created. Would there be such a filesystem for linux. In addition, if it could automatically, put to a single file, all files having the same check sum.
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18:47<uman>why is bitchx not in debian?
18:48<avu>because it has security problems and is unmaintained by its upstream
18:48<avu>!bitchx
18:48<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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18:50<uman>thanks
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19:06<no68>Hi guys, getting increasingly fed up with the lenny installer... lvm - how do I "start" an "inactive" lv ?
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19:07<dkr>map it to a device and thence to amount point?
19:08<valdyn>no68: vgchange -ay
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19:09<gadi_>hello!
19:09<no68>right, that fixed it... but I'd consider it a bug to have to use the lvm tools from initrd on a fresh install :(
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19:11<no68>and definitely as it's an every boot initrd vgscan and vgchange -ay...
19:11<no68>how can this have got through testing?
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19:13<no68>clean install and lenny boots with "Volume group "<hostname>" not found"
19:13<valdyn>no68: device driver not yet loaded?
19:14<valdyn>no68: which devices are members of that volume group?
19:14<no68>valdyn: well, it drops to initrd and lvm vgscan ; vgchange -ay ; exit boots fine, but how can a clean install have to do that?
19:14<no68>adaptec scsi device sda
19:15<valdyn>no68: only partitions are scanned by default?
19:15<gadi_>anybody from brazil ?
19:16<valdyn>no68: where did you set up lvm?
19:16<no68>valdyn: in the installer! chose the separate /home option and lvm.
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19:18<no68>:. there's only one lvm partition (/home on sda2) and one ext3 (/ on sda1)
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19:20<no68>how the fsck do I get the initrd to do it in the right order if it's doing it in the wrong order?
19:21<no68>this just shouldn't happen fresh from install, but how can I fix it.
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19:22<valdyn>stop mixing up terminology please, thats confusing
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19:22<fortunachris>hi
19:22<valdyn>volume group, logical volume, physical volume
19:23<valdyn>no68: #debian-boot maybe, btw
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19:24<valdyn>no68: /boot on what btw?
19:24<no68>valdyn: excuse me, but I don't actually know a great deal about lvm - I simply selected the sensible option in the kernel and expected the installer to install a working system. If I'm using the wrong terminology, please do excuse me but I didn't expect to have to dig this deep on a fresh install.
19:24<valdyn>no68: yea well, you need on site support if you want to avoid learning a bit
19:25<no68>valdyn: I'm not an idiot, I simply expect a distro installer to install a working system without me having to learn about the internals of lvm.
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19:25<valdyn>no68: calm down, it broken.
19:26<valdyn>no68: calm down, it broke.
19:26<no68>valdyn: 3rd attempt to install now, first two the md raid wasn't set up right - I gave up on md raid and thought I'd try lvm, I'm a little frustrated is all
19:27<dr|z3d>no68: If you're not prepared to get you hands dirty, or would rather not, there's always Ubuntu :)
19:27<valdyn>no68: i dont think the installer will "hold your hand" when doing this, its fragile
19:27<valdyn>the ubuntu installer probaby doesnt support lvm
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19:28<valdyn>no68: you didnt tell me where /boot is
19:28<valdyn>no68: it cant be on lvm.
19:28<no68>valdyn: I did.
19:28<no68>it just got lagged out for some bizarre reason
19:29<no68>oh, sorry
19:29<no68>. /boot is part of / which is /sda1 which the installer set up simply as ext3 not lvm
19:29<no68>it /'d out! my bad
19:29<dr|z3d>no68: Possibly of interest: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm
19:29<no68>dr|z3d: your helpful comments regarding distro are noted.
19:30<valdyn>no68: somehow you deactivated lvm i think, or the installer did that
19:30<valdyn>no68: it should be booting completely without lvm... is it?
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19:31<no68>valdyn: I simply clicked continue a lot in the installer, I don't think it's possible to deactivate lvm by doing so.
19:31<valdyn>no68: you set up your system, created lvm /home, but somehow lvm got deactivated again, and /home is probably not even in /etc/fstab
19:31<no68>I made a small error there, upon closer inspection. I assumed about the installer...
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19:32<no68>. /boot is on sda1, not /
19:32<dr|z3d>no68: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-over-lvm-filesystem & http://www.ubuntux.org/a-beginners-guide-to-lvm also possibly of interest.
19:32<valdyn>no68: please verify and paste the line for /home from /etc/fstab
19:32<valdyn>no68: so / is on lvm too now?
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19:33<netzwurm>what's the recommended way to deal with all those .conf warnings module-init-tools spits at me at boot? can I without harm rename all files to $bla.conf or does that break upgrades?
19:33<no68>we have auto-set up by the installer /dev/mapper/beast-root:/ /dev/mapper/beast-home:/home and /dev/sda1:/boot
19:33<valdyn>no68: ignore for debian provided files, rename your custom files to .conf
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19:34<netzwurm>valdyn: hm. how do i tell the difference now...
19:34<no68>also /dev/mapper/beast-swap_1 but that's a little irelavent
19:34<netzwurm>valdyn: so i will be spammed at boot as long as it takes for maintainers to fix their packages? very annoying.
19:34<valdyn>netzwurm: dpkg -S /path/to/file
19:34<Wilduck>Does anyone here have experience with the mit-scheme compiler/interpreter? Or know where I can find help with it?
19:34<no68>valdyn: ignore what?
19:34<valdyn>no68: that wasnt for you
19:35<valdyn>no68: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r), reboot, see if it works
19:36<no68>testing
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19:37<valdyn>netzwurm: whats the problem with depreciation warnings? they're very common
19:37<no68>I note that it fails to shut down 2 lvm groups on shutdown - I'm afraid I may not have the terminology right again there... it flashes off screen too fast.
19:37<valdyn>no68: thats fail is ok
19:37<valdyn>no68: it needs to fail
19:38<no68>well that actually worked.
19:38<valdyn>no68: its not nice, but userspace cant shut / down, so you get the fail, the kernel itself shuts it down later
19:38<netzwurm>valdyn: well, they are and they are useful. but in the case of modprobe, they completely obscure my boot process and make other information less visible. that is very anoying, don't you think?
19:39<valdyn>netzwurm: renaming has worse side effects
19:39<valdyn>netzwurm: if theres a clean way to shut those messages down, i dont know it
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19:41<NuryFV>hi, i want to know what yours think about the KDE4 in Debian Lenny
19:41<valdyn>no68: you have only 1 volume group, "beast". Shutting down that vg and unmounting / should have failed or somesuch
19:42<no68>valdyn: yep. I'm now on a bootable system, thankyou - obviously there's a bug with the installer not creating the ramdisk correctly for lvm :(
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19:44<enouf>netzwurm: you could look at maybe trying /etc/sysctl.conf settings - see the line; # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console (not sure if apropos for you)
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19:47<netzwurm>enouf: well. i want low-level messages.
19:47<enouf>valdyn: just to clarify; s/depreciation/deprecation/ (hopefully constructive)
19:47<netzwurm>enouf: it's fine though.
19:47<netzwurm>i'll just wait.
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19:47<valdyn>enouf: sure, thanks
19:48<no68_>sorry, didn't mean to hit and run, my laptop froze...
19:48<enouf>netzwurm: change it back after boot :-P or enable bootlogd and also use 'quiet' as a kernel param :-P
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19:48<enouf>valdyn: my pleasure mate
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19:49<netzwurm>enouf: cheers.
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19:57<Supermule_>Hi. I have installed Lenny, and want to upgrade my Evolution mailbox, calendar, ... from Etch. What do I do?
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19:59<slimjim>ok everyone i am having a brain cramp how do i get to the file that houses my depos so i can make sure i have the debian mulitmeda ones. so that way i can dl acip rip or dvd::rip
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20:05<adb>Supermule_: take a look at Import assistant : File > Import ...
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20:06<Supermule_>adb: Yes, I saw something similar in the setup wizard. But I could not find any way to export the old files on my Etch box.
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20:07<twb>What's the default block size of ext3?
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20:11<blarson>twb: 4k
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20:13<twb>Thanks.
20:14<twb>find -size 1b works on 512-byte blocks. Can I make it use 4k blocks?
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20:14<twb>Rather, I want to ask it "what proportion of files in this directory tree consume more than one filesystem block?"
20:15<twb>Also, are newer filesystems like btrfs block-oriented?
20:16<adb>Supermule_: not needed to export old evolution, just copy old evolution cached directory in an new dir , and import file by file form new to lenny evolution
20:17<adb> file from*
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20:20<jason_>I'm bored
20:20<twb>jason_: fix some bugs, then
20:20<goodger>I also am bored
20:20<twb>jason_: run wnpp-alert and find a package to adopt
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20:20<jason_>ok
20:20<goodger>regrettably, this is not due to lack of activity
20:20<twb>goodger: hehe
20:21<goodger>rather, the activity is mind-consumingly and soul-crushingly tedious
20:21<simonrvn>:(
20:21<themill>goodger: should try #debian on a Sunday evening, then.
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20:21<goodger>quite. still, university follows /o/
20:22<goodger>er, I believe I was here on a sunday evening
20:22<goodger>last sunday evening, indeed
20:22<goodger>so far, this is the most worthwhile thing I have done wrt this coursework: http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/733/logoaltu.png
20:23<twb>goodger: ah, universities
20:23<simonrvn>goodger: hehe
20:23<twb>goodger: engendered to crush the spirit of all intelligent beings and turn them into administrative automata
20:25<goodger>well, maybe my loneliness-frazzled brain is just equating university with friendships that don't involve a keyboard
20:25<goodger>but I'm pretty desperate to get there
20:26<goodger>plus, academic growth /o/
20:26*simonrvn wonders if he should screw around with lighttpd 1.5 again....
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20:27<goodger>no, no you should not
20:27<goodger>you should help me with my computing coursework :P
20:27<simonrvn>hehe
20:28<simonrvn>i doubt i'd be of any use ;)
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20:28<goodger>well, you could tell me how to begin :S
20:28<goodger>meh...
20:29<simonrvn>scan your books inyo a scanner and make e-books out of them? :P
20:29<goodger>well, I have a sub-heading, "1.1 Background to and identification of problem"
20:30<goodger>can't think of anything to put :/
20:31<simonrvn>what's the course, what's your goal for it and the project in question?
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20:31<goodger>the course is A-level computing, the goal is to make what is described as a solution to an open-ended problem
20:33<simonrvn>and what's the problem?
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20:37<simonrvn>is that what you're trying to determine?
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20:45<leandro_>hola
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20:47<goodger>whoops
20:47<goodger>simonrvn: (much later) I have decided to write a stock analysis program that generates pronouncements on the long-term viability of individual stocks and shares by comparing companies' financial data
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20:49<simonrvn>goodger: that one's easy. mark it all as bogus data that's unworkable and defunct. ;)
20:49<goodger>yes indeed
20:49<lkwjlkwj>what package is the 'locate' utility a part of?
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20:53<dkr>lkwjlkwj: findutils or slocate or mlocate
20:53<dkr>mlocate probably the best to use nowadays, :)
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20:54<lkwjlkwj>dkr: thx
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20:55<hardcore_>Hai. Can I ask a question pl0x?
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20:57<simonrvn>hai, just ask, mkay?
20:57<hardcore_>I R noob. :( I'm trying to create a new directory on a USB drive attached to this PC. How do I do this?
20:58<simonrvn>mkdir
20:58<hardcore_>I think I could sudo mkdir it
20:58<hardcore_>But I'm not sure how to get to the USB drive to do it
20:58<hardcore_>chgdir?
20:58<jrabbit>lol
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20:59<simonrvn>the drive wouldn't do it...
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20:59<hardcore_>This is what I get for using a Windows mentality eh?
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21:02<hardcore_>It's not getting the drive to do it.
21:02<hardcore_>It's getting TO the drive in terminal.
21:03<goodger>hardcore_: I suspect /media
21:03<goodger>is a good place to start
21:04<hardcore_>ty
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21:05<ycs>how might I get ntfs-3g on etch, please?
21:05<goodger>assuming it's actually been mounted...
21:05<simonrvn>!tell ycs -about search
21:06<ycs>there's nothing about ntfs-3g in "apt-cache search ntfs"
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21:07<simonrvn>maybe your sources.list is FUBAR...
21:07<hardcore_>ok, /media comes back with "/media is a directory."
21:07<hardcore_>wait
21:08<hardcore_>i think i got it lol
21:08<hardcore_>yay! cd /media!
21:08<simonrvn>of course it is ;)
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21:09<hardcore_>but when clicking the drive on the desktop, it tells me it can't display all the contents
21:10<adb>ee
21:10<simonrvn>permissions/ownership i bet (eduguessing)
21:11<hardcore_>ok
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21:11<hardcore_>ok owner is root :(
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21:12<simonrvn>you need user_allow_other in /etc/fuse.conf
21:12<hardcore_>ok
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21:12<simonrvn>what's that factoid that has all this shit in it?
21:12<simonrvn>!ntfs-3g
21:12<dpkg>hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
21:12<simonrvn>user accessible ntfs
21:12<simonrvn>!user accessible ntfs
21:12<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field
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21:15<ycs>I put backports in sources.list and updated but still no package ntfs-3g found :(
21:16<hardcore_>I don't have a /etc/fuse.conf
21:17<simonrvn>you don't have the fuse stuff installed then
21:17<hardcore_>apt-get install fuse?
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21:18<simonrvn>!tell hardcore_ -about search
21:18<twb>If he doen't have fuse.conf, then he sure doesn't have ntfs-3g.
21:18<simonrvn>indeed
21:18<twb>However instead of editing fuse.conf I advocate adding the appropriate users to the "fuse" group
21:18<twb>Since e.g. the "nobody" user ought not to be able to mount things
21:19<ycs>aha, I needed etch-backports, not lenny-backports
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21:20<simonrvn>twb: good point
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21:21<simonrvn>ycs: it's in lenny already, unless you have etch there still, then ignore this
21:21<ycs>yes, etch.
21:21<twb>simonrvn: obviously upgrading to Debian Stable is a good idea, btw.
21:22<twb>Oops, bad completion.
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21:22<twb>ycs: obviously upgrading to Debian Stable is a good idea, btw.
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21:22<ycs>yes I plan to, this is a server I maintain at a non-profit office, /home is full... need to back up to an external ntfs drive... need ntfs-3g
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21:23<ycs>it's all good now
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21:23<ycs>now ...I wait
21:23<twb>ycs: did you smear honey all over the computer as bait?
21:24<ycs>of course
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21:26<m8t>hi, can someone let me know in which package I can find /usr/share/aclocal/pkg.m4?
21:27<twb>m8t: apt-file
21:27<m8t>can someone run dpkg -S /usr/share/aclocal/pkg.m4 for me? I don't want to install apt-file, update the cache, etc, pkg.m4 is very probably installed, tho I have a very basic vm here
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21:29<no0tic>m8t, look for it in packages.debian.org
21:30<m8t>:)
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21:30<m8t>"search in content", nice, ok thanks
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21:31<m8t>bye
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21:33<taken>there is some apt-get.org site like ? is apt-get.org outdated/
21:33<taken>?
21:34<lkwjlkwj>the wiki is saying that adobe flash isn't available for stable except via backports
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21:36<deniz__>what do i need to add to my sources.list file in order to be able to apt-get install kdenlive?
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21:39<abrotman>!dmm
21:39<dpkg>i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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21:41<deniz__>abrotman, so any video editing kind of software will never be on the offline DVD repositories?
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21:42<abrotman>uhm .. i'm sure there's one ..
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21:48<deniz__>abrotman, is it in the official .isos?
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21:48<abrotman>if you name me some .. i'll tell you :)
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21:49<deniz__>abrotman, kdenlive and what is the command i need to do for this key thing for GPG error
21:50<abrotman>!apt-key foo
21:50<dpkg>gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys foo ; gpg --export foo | sudo apt-key add -
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22:06<daniel>you think 2mb upstream is decent enouph to run a server with?
22:07<abrotman>depends what you're serving and how much of it
22:07<daniel>it will be a joomla site
22:07<abrotman>for your friends to read ?
22:07<daniel>lol
22:08<daniel>no
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22:08<abrotman>2MB is plenty .. you'd be surprised what you can serve with that
22:09<daniel>just signed up for a 15mb/2mb plan business account, just making sure it was enough
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22:24<daniel>anyone have any experience with road runner business class?
22:25<abrotman>this is a debian support channel
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22:27<daniel>i know, thats why I asked in a debian support channel room "anyone have any experience with rr business class with a debian server?"
22:28<abrotman>but that's not what you asked
22:28<daniel>figured that would go without saying, my bad
22:30<abrotman>then ask your real question
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22:39<GinoMan>I have a real question... my boot process is screwed up... and the only reason I'm in here is because I persuaded it to load XFCE under root in single user mode
22:40<GinoMan>I'm on testing AMD64
22:40<GinoMan>I've got a AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (2.2Ghz) processor
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22:42<daniel>this is a debian support channel
22:42<daniel>hehe j/k
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22:45<GinoMan>the components are that of an HP Pavilion a1210n except I replaced the graphics card with a ATI Radeon HD 4550 and the sound card with a Creative Sound Blaster
22:46<GinoMan>Daniel_Duesentrieb: actually it's a gentoo system... I know that this is the debian channel, and that there's a valid Gentoo channel, I just decided to ask a question that has nothing to do with debian here... that makes soooo much sense
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22:46<GinoMan>cmon... gimme some credit
22:48<abrotman>GinoMan: he was kidding
22:48<daniel>well now your question is more invalid than mine
22:48<daniel>lol
22:48<abrotman>he's also joking
22:49<abrotman>!sdnwotn
22:49<dpkg>somebody said sdnwotn was Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net
22:49<daniel>ive used gentoo, FreeBSD, ubuntu, fedora, questions are questions to me :)
22:49<GinoMan>:)
22:49<GinoMan>lol
22:50<daniel>but I dont know the answer to ur question anyway
22:50<daniel>hehe
22:50<GinoMan>but no, seriously... I don't even know where to begin...
22:50<GinoMan>NetworkManager isn't running... but I'm on the internet
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22:50<daniel>i dont use Networkmanager
22:50<daniel>AT ALL
22:51<GinoMan>let me guess.... u use the terminal
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22:51<daniel>no, umm I just configure the interfaces via the interfaces file lol
22:52<daniel>if ur not good at a terminal, you shouldnt be on gentoo my freind lol
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22:53<abrotman>uh
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22:55<daniel>and make sure you memory register machine variable is set to the proper mhz according to the cpu and clock of the ram speed, mmmmk
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22:56<snogglethorpe>isn't "mmmmk" banned by international treaty?
22:56<daniel>probably
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22:56<daniel>UN shite
22:56<aardvarX>is there a nice light music player for lxde? like the old xmms?
22:57<abrotman>there really aren't any light GUI players anymore
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22:57<snogglethorpe>the silly thing is that even all the heavy ones still look like crap
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22:58<aardvarX>i am trying to use abraca, but the thing wont let me open a file even, probably because i dont understand xmms2
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23:01<abrotman>aardvarX: there is audacious .. same interface as xmms .. but not nearly as 'light'
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23:02<twb>abrotman: xmms2 plus some "light" frontend?
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23:03<abrotman>but xmms2 is client/server ..
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23:03<aardvarX>yes - abraca is supposed to be a frontend - but everything is grayed out, and wont let me use it.
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23:05<twb>abrotman: IMO that's a good thing
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23:06<abrotman>twb: he didn't even say if he has a server .. so he'd be running the client and the server on one box
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23:06<twb>abrotman: people do that for X, why would xmms be any different?
23:07<abrotman>a little different ..
23:07<twb>abrotman: I don't see why
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23:07<abrotman>twb: so you run all your applicatoins in server/client fashion ?
23:07<twb>abrotman: yes,.
23:07<abrotman>your webbrowser?
23:07<simonrvn>yeh right
23:07<abrotman>editors?
23:07<twb>abrotman: even OpenOffice is often operated in that mode "quick launch".
23:07<twb>emacs --server, certainly.
23:07<abrotman>that's not remotely the same
23:07<twb>emacs-w3m runs inside Emacs.
23:07<abrotman>obviously gone towards trolling now .. have fun
23:08*twb shrugs
23:08<aardvarX>i guess i'll just use mplayer :P i want my xmms back!
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23:08<manphiz>aardvarX: maybe you should manually start the xmms2 server by "xmms2-launcher"
23:09<manphiz>aardvarX: I suggest you use xmms2tray as agent, which will starts the local server by startup and then launch other frontend that are detected.
23:09<twb>If nothing else, not forcing all users to have a single one-size-fits-all front-end is a good reason to prefer xmms2 to an implementation that has both "client" and "server" parts in a single process.
23:10<aardvarX>i guess i need to rtfm to use a music player? arrrggh
23:10<abrotman>aardvarX: try audacious .. if you don't like it uninstall it
23:10<twb>If you just want to play music, you can use mplayer.
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23:10<twb>What you call "music players" are actually playlist editors.
23:11<simonrvn>twb: thing is all the GUI frontends suck
23:11<twb>simonrvn: that's because they're GUIs
23:11*abrotman wonders where they hide the music players
23:11<simonrvn>haha, not true
23:11<simonrvn>lack of design sense
23:11<aardvarX>audacous and potamus want to load a bunch of qt4 stuff, i wanted to see if i could get away with a gtk2 player of some kind
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23:12<abrotman>!depends audacious lenny
23:12<goodger>aardvarX: rhythmbox is rather good...
23:12<manphiz>next version of xmms2 features a more powerful CLI interface
23:12<dpkg>audacious: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libaudclient1 (= 1.5.1-4), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libmcs1, libmowgli1 (>= 0.5.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), libsamplerate0, libsm6, libx11-6, audacious-plugins (>= 1.5.1), audacious-plugins (<< 2.0~), dbus, libaudid3tag1 (= 1.5.1-4), gtk2-engines-pixbuf
23:12<manphiz>goodger: which lacks cuesheet support
23:12<goodger>I don't like banshee myself, it's mono, and hence slow
23:13*abrotman doesn't see qt4 ...
23:14<snogglethorpe>goodger: also mono, and thus pants
23:14<daniel> goodger: .net really isnt that slow, comparable to java it's fast, it is just the initial compiling that is slow
23:14<aardvarX>audacious it is. i thought it was a kde music player. i was wrong (again)
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23:15<twb>daniel: that's like saying "compared to an elephant, a rhinocerous is quite small"
23:15<goodger>daniel: it's slow enough on my system for its GUI to be unresponsive to mouse rollons for brief periods
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23:16<daniel>twb, I have used mono/.net, you would gladly use a program in perl, and perl is slower than .net, or php, which is also slower
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23:16<goodger>additionally, miguel de icaza is the most annoying microsoft employee I have ever heard of
23:16<simonrvn>fucking ff is acting fucking brain damaged again
23:16<simonrvn>php slower than mono? hahah
23:16<daniel>it is
23:16<daniel>its a scripting lang
23:17<daniel>there is NO doubt that it is slower, there is no way it could be faster, not logical
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23:17<goodger>daniel: php is compiled into bytecode when the file is loaded
23:17<twb>daniel: I don't know why you would compare mono to languages for which no compiler exists.
23:17<goodger>mono is compiled into bytecode beforehand
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23:18<twb>daniel: you would do better to compare it to Common Lisp and Haskell.
23:18<daniel>ahhh , see I didnt know that
23:18<simonrvn>twb: bcompiler
23:18<goodger>it's pretty much the same execution speed, except php doesn't actually appear to crash
23:18<goodger>continually
23:18<daniel>didnt know php was compiled into bytecode
23:18<simonrvn>perl is, ruby is, python ....
23:18<goodger>well, actually, I say that with a lot of confidence without knowing it to be a fact
23:19<snogglethorpe>daniel: there seem very few languages these days which _don't_ do that at a minimum...
23:19<goodger>but I assume php does, because python does
23:19<simonrvn>php does too yes
23:19<goodger>goodo
23:19<snogglethorpe>of course there are fast bytecode vms and slow bytecode vms...
23:19<simonrvn>exactly
23:19<goodger>and there are patented bytecode VMs and non-patented ones
23:20<simonrvn>omg ff unblocked finally....
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23:21<daniel>mono has it's purpose, just like c, php, java, perl ect, it fits in there somewhere, and can be usefull
23:21<simonrvn>s/ll/l/
23:22*daniel always argues for the underdog
23:24<daniel>yes improper use of a suffix, thank you. :0
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23:28<snogglethorpe>(argh, i'm out of cheese too!)
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23:32<GinoMan>Daniel_Duesentrieb: I am ok with the terminal
23:32<GinoMan>daniel:
23:32<GinoMan>wtf
23:32<GinoMan>Daniel_Duesentrieb: I am ok with the terminal, but I'm still learning new stuff every day, but I have the basic commands
23:32<GinoMan>right now, I'm trying to learn sed and awk, as well as vim
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23:35<GinoMan>GAAAAAAAAAA stupid irc client
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23:35<teen_quiet>Giroman: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/
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23:36<twb>daniel: if you were really arguing for the underdog, you would promote stuff like factor and slate.
23:36<twb>Mono has at least partial support from Microsoft; it's hardly an underdog.
23:36<snogglethorpe>hmm, has Tom Christiansen been killed yet?
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23:37<self_slaughter>greets... just a quick question, i'm about to try install linux to a usb external hdd (7200rpm) and just wondering whether to put swap space on the external or the internal (5400rpm) i'm thinking the internal but just wanted to see what you guys/gals think
23:37<manphiz>twb: at least it's not available for my MIPSEL loongson laptop :(
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23:37*teen_quiet le l'apin
23:37<twb>manphiz: I'm holding out to see if I can get an armel one
23:38<kravlin>anyone know about how to change what audio device hotkeys manage?
23:38<aardvarX>self_slaughter, i support your decision for internal
23:38<twb>manphiz: is it a netbook?
23:39<self_slaughter>aardvarX: thats good enough for me then ;-) thanks... let the fun begin
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23:39<manphiz>twb: yep
23:39<twb>manphiz: what kind of battery life do you get?
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23:40<manphiz>not more that one and a half hour unfortunately, it just has 900mAh ..
23:41<twb>Ouch!
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23:41<GinoMan>self_slaughter: I would put it on the local, unless you wanna get a firewire or e-sata drive... otherwise if you run out of memory, your computer will run slow as ass
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23:42<twb>manphiz: I get nearly double that on my Eee PC 701
23:42<twb>It says 5200000 for charge_full_design...
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23:42<manphiz>twb: the CPU should be rather battery saving, but then nothing for the other parts...
23:43<manphiz>hope things will change in following generations ...
23:43<twb>I get the impression that MIPS is a dying architecture.
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23:45<manphiz>perhaps, but at least it's no more patented IIRC
23:45<twb>Nod.
23:46<twb>It looks like I have about six times the amount of battery to get double the runtime
23:46<twb>Which IIUC means that your MIPSEL has thrice the power efficiency of a 600MHz Celeron.
23:47<twb>Given that the Atom has better efficiency than the Celeron, I'd guess you're only getting about double the efficiency of a current Eee PC
23:47<manphiz>hmm ... Let me recheck my battery capacity...
23:47<twb>manphiz: cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full_design
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23:49<kravlin>i can't seem to get my mixer to change so that my hotkeys affect my sound card. can someone help?
23:49<manphiz>hmm, it's not monitored by standard ACPI...
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