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00:13<keith>sorry kitche, closed the window. it's just after GRUB i select the kernel i want to run and then i get a black screen
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00:32<Silicium01>Turns out I have same package version of openssh on 2 servers butone uses ssh and other uses ssh2 directory in etc. the sshd config file is different in both. What determines where the sshd server will draw it's configuration or how it ill behave?
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00:58<Silicium01>I am trying to scp a file to a remote server, but scp does not do anything, just goes to next line, what am I doing wrong? scp /home/silicium/test.csv user@remote.com
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01:25<davius>how do i mount without being root?
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01:26<davius>how do i mount a volume without being root?
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01:51<Silicium01>Is it possible to automatically authenticate ssh-agent on reboot?
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02:21<twb>Silicium01: not without typing in your key.
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02:21<twb>Er, not without typing in the passphrase of your key.
02:22<twb>You can run ssh-add in your login script, though
02:22<Silicium01>twb, so how do people deal with say a situation when system reboots for say some failure like power failure
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02:23<twb>Silicium01: I don't understand the question.
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02:24<Silicium01>twb, say I want to have contant reverse tunnel from machine3 to machine2. I can do this with autossh, but if say sameone reboots the machine, It will not reconnect again
02:24<PiklesOnFire>Silicium01, could you clarify the question a bit? I don't fully understand it myself
02:24<PiklesOnFire>er, ty Silicium01
02:25<PiklesOnFire>so you want it to actually deny access after a reboot, rather than allow an auto login?
02:25<twb>PiklesOnFire: if a script is using ssh keys, then you need those keys to be passphraseless
02:25<twb>Sorry, bad completion.
02:25<PiklesOnFire>twb, no worries ;p
02:26<twb>Silicium01: you would ideally use command=foo in authorized_keys to restrict that passphraseless key to doing only one thing
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02:27<PiklesOnFire>Silicium01, twb has an excellent point, you would only want that command to re-establish your ssh tunnels, so if say, someone got access to that key, they could not totally compromise the system's security
02:27<Silicium01>twb, so I can have several keys one of which will be passwordless and I will allow only reverse sshing into remote machine?
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02:27<twb>Silicium01: precisely.
02:28<twb>Silicium01: however I recommend using openvpn instead of ssh -w in most cases.
02:28<Silicium01>twb, very interesting, had no idea I could do this
02:29<Silicium01>twb, I will look into that
02:29<Silicium01>thank you
02:30<PiklesOnFire>twb, why do you prefer vnc?
02:30<twb>PiklesOnFire: I don't know what you're talking about
02:30<PiklesOnFire>vpn**
02:30<PiklesOnFire>sorry, typo
02:31<Silicium01>PiklesOnFire, less huslte?
02:31<Silicium01>I actually tried using Hamachi, but it has issues...
02:31<twb>I recommend using a UDP-based VPN over SSH's TCP-based VPN because running TCP over the latter (i.e. TCP over TCP) results in hysterisis, because both TCP and TCP are connection-oriented.
02:32<PiklesOnFire>twb, very true, i'm just not a fan of anything udp ;p
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02:34<twb>PiklesOnFire: in such a case, UDP is a clearly superior choice to TCP, precisely because TCP is being used "furher up".
02:34<twb>*further
02:34<Silicium01>what do you mean by "further up" ?
02:35<PiklesOnFire>twb, as true as that is, udp is KNOWN to have a high packet loss, which means corrupted information etc, in that case, i see tcp as being the superior
02:35<twb>Silicium01: so for example if you used ssh over openvpn, ssh would be using TCP
02:36<twb>If you have more than one level attempting to resend packets, the same packet can arrive at the destination more than once.
02:36<twb>That is, be SUCCESSFULLY received multiple times
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02:36<Silicium01>twb, so that's bad right?
02:36<twb>Silicium01: yes
02:36<meshuggah>hello, can someone can help with repartition my hd?
02:36<Silicium01>tcp over udp would be bad?
02:36<twb>Silicium01: no, tcp over tcp is bad.
02:36<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, sure we can help :]
02:37<twb>Silicium01: tcp over udp (e.g. ssh over openvpn), or udp over tcp (e.g. syslog over ssh-vpn) is OK.
02:37<meshuggah>PiklesOnFire, ok, it show me the 100% of the boot partition space used
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02:37<Silicium01>twb, interesting
02:37<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, how large is your partition?
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02:37<twb>meshuggah: there's nothing wrong with that.
02:37<twb>Oh sorry, I thought you said 10%
02:37<meshuggah>PiklesOnFire, i tried with the live-cd of gparted, and i cant resize it
02:38<meshuggah>even if i free up 2gb
02:38<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, how large is it? and what format is it in?
02:38<meshuggah>it is 266 mb
02:38<twb>meshuggah: by "boot partition" do you mean /boot or / (root)?
02:38<meshuggah>the debian-way to make it
02:38<meshuggah>the /
02:38<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, that is more than large enough. and i'm guessing ext2 or ext3?
02:38<meshuggah>and flagged boot
02:39<meshuggah>ext3
02:39<twb>meshuggah: the root partition should not be only 256MB.
02:39<meshuggah>i choose the debian-way to make 7 partition for it
02:39<twb>Well, I don't know about that.
02:39<meshuggah>and now i only got 16kb
02:39<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, /boot should be 266mb
02:39<PiklesOnFire>not /
02:39<meshuggah>it is /
02:40<meshuggah>and i dont have a /boot partition
02:40<PiklesOnFire>if your / partition is 266 mb, then that's why it's full...
02:40<twb>PiklesOnFire: I think what he's saying is that he asked for a separate /usr and /var and such.
02:40<meshuggah>and it separate from the 6other partition
02:40<meshuggah>i choose the debian-way
02:40<twb>Which would be pretty stupid, since we have LVM now.
02:40<PiklesOnFire>twb, i figured... but no separate /boot just blows my mind - heh
02:41<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, yes, lvm would have been the way to go. and a separate /boot
02:41<meshuggah>i choosed the debian-way, i said myself that it was good since a lot of years of experiences of the guy who made debian was better than my brain
02:41<PiklesOnFire>as has been stated, 266 is simply not large enough for the main / partition
02:41<twb>meshuggah: I don't know why you think what you did was "the Debian way".
02:41<meshuggah>the option
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02:41<meshuggah>the debian 7 partitions, the debian 2 partition, and my own
02:41<PiklesOnFire>@ meshuggah, twb is 100% correct, that is not "the Debian Way"
02:41<meshuggah>i dont remember the exact name of the options
02:42*PiklesOnFire smh
02:42<meshuggah>it is
02:42<meshuggah>the debian-way
02:42<meshuggah>the damn netinst
02:42<meshuggah>i let it configure my partition for me
02:42<meshuggah>so the debian-way
02:42<twb>meshuggah: in any case, if I were in your position I would probably just blow away the system and start again
02:42<meshuggah>hmm
02:42<meshuggah>i did 4 times in 2 days
02:42<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, again, i'm with twb.
02:42<meshuggah>dammit
02:42<twb>meshuggah: it'll be less hassle than trying to resize stuff
02:43<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, this time do your own partitioning ;p
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02:43<meshuggah>arg
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02:43<meshuggah>it was 2 month ago
02:43<twb>meshuggah: and this time, choose to have a 256MiB /boot and the rest as an LVM physical volume, with / as (say) 2GiB or 4GiB logical volume, and /home a separate logical volume.
02:43<twb>Anyway, that's how I do it
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02:44<PiklesOnFire>i use a 20 g / and 120 /boot and the rest is just /home
02:44<PiklesOnFire>easy peasy
02:44<PiklesOnFire>in an encrypted lvm XD
02:44<twb>PiklesOnFire: I generally don't allocate the whole PV
02:44<twb>PiklesOnFire: because resize2fs can do online grow, but not online shrink
02:44<PiklesOnFire>well, excluding /boot, but twb i'm sure you assumed that
02:44<meshuggah>ok, i got a usr, var, tmp, home, / , swap and a strange exttended partition
02:45<meshuggah>ok i will choose only 2 partition
02:45<PiklesOnFire>twb, i use xfs ;p
02:45<twb>PiklesOnFire: can xfs shrink online?
02:45<twb>PiklesOnFire: I didn't think it could shrink at all
02:45<twb>PiklesOnFire: in which case that's an even better reason not to allocate all your space up front
02:45<PiklesOnFire>twb, doesn't matter to me, it's my laptop, i don't need resizing ;p
02:45<twb>PiklesOnFire: I guess that's because you've allocated a huge 20GiB to the root filesystem
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02:46<PiklesOnFire>and no, xfs can't shrink
02:46<twb>Even a desktop system wouldn't need 8GiB for root
02:46<PiklesOnFire>meh, i use about 10.
02:46<PiklesOnFire>mostly games and such though
02:46<twb>PiklesOnFire: do you encrypt everything, or just /home?
02:46<meshuggah>so i should reinstall this fucking crap
02:46<PiklesOnFire>everything, in case of laptop theft
02:47<twb>meshuggah: that's my view.
02:47<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, language plz...
02:47<twb>PiklesOnFire: why do you care if someone can read /etc/* ?
02:47<meshuggah>debian team should be slapped on their head
02:47<meshuggah>i even removed all trace of winshit for them
02:48<meshuggah>and they cant even partition hd in a nice way
02:48<PiklesOnFire>twb, i don't, but i do about /tmp, and other files... and i just didn't want to slice the disk into a bunch of partitions when i installed debian (i admit, i was being lazy)
02:48<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, have you filed a bug report?
02:48<meshuggah>my computer wasnt even booting in gnome
02:48<twb>PiklesOnFire: ah well, /tmp for me is stored in memory
02:48<meshuggah>and i needed to configure xorg.conf
02:49<meshuggah>and i am a damn newbie
02:49<twb>meshuggah: are you installing Debian 5.0?
02:49<PiklesOnFire>twb, i couldn't do that, i'm paranoid. the idea of freezing my ram and reading it's contents scared the pee outta meh
02:49<meshuggah>i downloaded the 4.0 netinst, and after upgraded to lenny
02:49<twb>meshuggah: I recommend just installing 5.0
02:50<twb>meshuggah: and with 5.0 you should not need an xorg.conf at all
02:50<meshuggah>why ?
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02:50<twb>meshuggah: because Xorg 7.3 autodetects just about everything
02:50<meshuggah>i needed to configure xorg.conf 4.0 and after updrading to lenny, i needed another time
02:50<meshuggah>no
02:50<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, xorg is "failsafe" it will load w. out a config file
02:50<meshuggah>not true
02:50<PiklesOnFire>well, it SHOULD
02:50<meshuggah>it is not :)
02:51<twb>meshuggah: that is because you installed oldstable
02:51<meshuggah>no
02:51<meshuggah>i download the way this channel said me
02:51<meshuggah>and dpkg
02:51<meshuggah>i downloaded
02:51<PiklesOnFire>meshuggah, go w. twb's suggestion though, just do a fresh install of lenny ;] save you A LOT of time
02:51<meshuggah>dan
02:51<meshuggah>damn
02:51<twb>meshuggah: sorry, I'm out of patience. I'm going to work on more productive stuff now.
02:51<meshuggah>lol
02:52<meshuggah>you are out of patience of me?
02:52<PiklesOnFire>twb, join me in offtopic for a moment por favor?
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02:55<meshuggah>so, can i make backup of my setting to another hd
02:55<meshuggah>like a file who will re-download everything installed?
02:56<meshuggah>and iceweasel setup
02:56<PiklesOnFire>if you use synaptic you can export the installed programs to a file and use synaptic again to re-install them
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02:56<jimmy_birer>hi dudez
02:56<PiklesOnFire>and if you just tar /home, it will save all your prefs etc
02:56<PiklesOnFire>hey jimmy_birer
02:56<jimmy_birer>i know a bug
02:57<PiklesOnFire>wrong channel
02:57<jimmy_birer>fine
02:57<jimmy_birer>i will not say it
02:57<jimmy_birer>xD
02:57<jimmy_birer>Ciara-1 2 step
02:57<meshuggah>lol
02:57<twb>PiklesOnFire: without synaptic I believe that is dpkg --show-config or something
02:57<jimmy_birer>i can`t install synaptic on etch :(
02:57<PiklesOnFire>lol, i'm open, i'm just sayin it's the wrong channel to report a bug ;p
02:58<PiklesOnFire>and twb i think it's something like that, but i'm not 100%, i've become a lil dependent on guis in linux
02:58<jimmy_birer>really we need gui`s
02:58<jimmy_birer>cuz no one likes terminal
02:59<twb>jimmy_birer: ahem. I do.
02:59<jimmy_birer>just leets
02:59<PiklesOnFire>jimmy_birer, i LOVE terminal
02:59<jimmy_birer>want gui
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02:59<jimmy_birer>me too
02:59<jimmy_birer>but newbs not
02:59<twb>Terminals are much faster, especially remotely.
02:59<jimmy_birer>yes
02:59<PiklesOnFire>Terminals also provide more control
02:59<jimmy_birer>but newbs want graphical
02:59<twb>They also offer a far more consistent interface than a raster display or a web-based desktop
02:59<jimmy_birer>i kno
03:00<PiklesOnFire>ok, so jimmy_birer because i like gui apps for certain things i'm a newb? lolz
03:00<meshuggah>will a damn grandmother will try configure her file with a termiinal?
03:00<jimmy_birer>hahahahahabhahahahaha
03:00<jimmy_birer>LOOOOOL
03:00<PiklesOnFire>my grams actually likes terminal too, she's getting comfy in it more and more every day
03:00<jimmy_birer>meshuggah, you rule
03:01<jimmy_birer>my mom hates terminal
03:01<twb>My point was merely that there are people who DON'T like GUIs, so let's have both please.
03:01<jimmy_birer>she doesn`t like terminal
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03:01<twb>I get a little unnerved when all my visually impaired (i.e. blind) friends can use GUIs more easily than I can.
03:02*twb goes back to work
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03:05<jimmy_birer>so we need pidgin but we need also purple wich was a command-line messenger
03:06<jimmy_birer>;)
03:06<twb>jimmy_birer: well indeed, there is an Emacs interface to libpurple now.
03:06<twb>Though for now I use bitlbee, which is just an IM <--> IRC gateway.
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03:08<jimmy_birer>lol
03:09<jimmy_birer>i use kopete
03:09<jimmy_birer>for webcam
03:10<meshuggah_>twb, can u explain me (like if i were 3 yr old) how to backup and partition my hd when i will reinstall, i dont want to screw up thing(i am using computer since msdos3.0, but i am a newbie compared to some people here)
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03:11<meshuggah_>please :)
03:11<twb>meshuggah_: sorry, that would not be a productive use of my time.
03:11<meshuggah_>twb, are you serious?
03:11<twb>If it takes me ten times longer to help you than someone else, that means nine people miss out.
03:12<meshuggah_>it is 300 am
03:12<meshuggah_>who are you?
03:12<twb>.vic.au
03:12<twb>2009-03-28T18:16:02+1100
03:12<jimmy_birer>really,here is help for debian,not for microshaft
03:12<meshuggah_>you are a fucking asshole, you know?
03:12<twb>meshuggah_: yes.
03:12<meshuggah_>lol
03:12<jimmy_birer>wtf>
03:12<jimmy_birer>?
03:13<meshuggah_>the #debian channel is full of nerdz
03:13<twb>jimmy_birer: did you have a question?
03:13<jimmy_birer>here is a help channel,or you swear like cockroaches?
03:13<meshuggah_>did you already had a girl friend?
03:13<jimmy_birer>who?
03:13<jimmy_birer>i have 13 years and i fucked 4 girls
03:13<jimmy_birer>by 8 years
03:13<jimmy_birer>but this doesn`t matter
03:13<twb>jimmy_birer: that is off-topic, please take it elsewhere.
03:14<meshuggah_>tkae your off-topic somewhere else asshole
03:14<jimmy_birer>yeah?then your swears are on-topic?
03:14<jimmy_birer>motherfuckers
03:14<meshuggah_>jimmy_birer, i am speaking to twb not you
03:14<jimmy_birer>fine
03:14<jimmy_birer>sorry
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03:15<PiklesOnFire>jimmy_birer, twb said it was off topic, and i agree. and meshuggah_ language like that deff won't get you greeted by friendly ppl on the support channel. i wish you the best of luck finding help elsewhere since you don't appreciate our answers :]
03:15*PiklesOnFire needs another cigg bbl
03:15<meshuggah_>PiklesOnFire, i asked in a nice way for help
03:15<meshuggah_>and twb said i waste iof tinme
03:16<meshuggah_>waste of time
03:16<PiklesOnFire>and i explained to you how to do it, go google it for more information
03:16<PiklesOnFire>tar your /home. and backup the list of installed packages. it's that simple
03:16<jimmy_birer>PiklesOnFire, go fuck yourself,i leave channel since here is a channel or assholes and n00bz like you all creamed bitches
03:16<meshuggah_>is it a help channel or a link-to-goole-channel
03:16<jimmy_birer>goobye
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03:16<meshuggah_>lol
03:16<PiklesOnFire>take initiative and go find the answers yourself instead of expecting us to do everything for you
03:16<meshuggah_>linux wont get new people this way
03:16<PiklesOnFire>awe, jimmy hurt my feelings
03:17*PiklesOnFire cries
03:17<meshuggah_>lol
03:17<twb>PiklesOnFire: please don't reciprocate.
03:17<PiklesOnFire>he left :p
03:17<meshuggah_>you are both stupid
03:17<PiklesOnFire>sorry you feel that way meshuggah_
03:18<PiklesOnFire>ttyl :]
03:18<meshuggah_>dnot be sorry, try to make me not think it
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03:31<simonrvn>cry babies...</ot>
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04:14<EmleyMoor>If I want to build seamonkey 1.1.5 on amd64, what do I need?
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04:17<kyanha>Please excuse me, I need to verify the authenticity of all the packages on a couple of sarge and etch systems, to ensure that the versions of the binaries that have been installed are correct. (I would also like to figure out if there's a means to detect non-packaged binaries hiding in the system default locations?) Is there a way to do this?
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04:21<fxiny>!aptitude-fu
04:21<dpkg>To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true See also <aptitude why>.
04:21<fxiny>kyanha: ^^^
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04:27<prahal>I believe he wanted to check the binaries against the md5sums shipped by the packages
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04:28<fxiny>ahhh , non default locations ?
04:29<prahal>I think mostly rootkits detection
04:29<fxiny>kyanha: check /usr/local and /opt
04:29<kyanha>The problem is that I know that there were at least 3 systems using weak keys as authorized_keys as root.
04:29<fxiny>for rootikits chkrootkit and rkhunter
04:29<kyanha>Most rootkits overwrite binaries to help reduce their ability to be shown.
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04:30<fxiny>you should have an ids installed
04:30<fxiny>tripwire aide samhain , or some baseliner like ftimes (not debianized)
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04:31<prahal>I believe the only option left "afterwards" is debsums
04:32<kyanha>you are assuming, fxiny, that this is a system that I've had any prior exposure to, or administration of. I am aware of Best Practices; I'm just trying to figure out if I need to wipe the machines while building a more secure network. (The client requests that this be a last-resort option.)
04:32<prahal>though it is package by package . You may want build a loop with above aptitude fu
04:33<kyanha>prahal, I believe that this is what I need. Thank you.
04:33<prahal>and for more security you try to get the list of md5sums from upstream .
04:34<kyanha>If someone's had root, I can't trust it if it says that 2+2=4.
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04:35<prahal>kyanha: you should run the scripts from a livecd or something alike
04:35<kyanha>...because otherwise, it's entirely possible that the kernel or the packages themselves will have been corrupted to report what it thinks I want to see, but really be something different.
04:36<prahal>s/should/could/ . I bet there are a lot of ways around .
04:36<kyanha>A /dev/kmem scan (and making sure that it matches what's being reported elsewhere, such as in /proc) is a possible workaround.
04:37<fxiny>!aptitude clone
04:37<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserve information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall><things to backup>
04:37<fxiny>that will kill any hidden crap
04:37<fxiny>and install a decent ids
04:38<fxiny>back the conf up
04:39<fxiny>hard checking that box without a baseline
04:39<kyanha>I know. :(
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04:40<fxiny>because in the end if you do a mistake , overlooking something , you get the blame
04:40<kyanha>believe me, I know. I'm just trying to minimize the site's downtime while I get everything fixed.
04:42<kyanha>Thank you for your help, fxiny and prahal.
04:42<fxiny>kyanha: np
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04:43<kyanha>(I wish there was a way I could give you good karma, to show that you were very helpful. :))
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04:46<fxiny>i think ftimes should be debianized
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04:47<fxiny>in most cases can be the perfect tool
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05:29<steffan>hello, eka
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06:05<Ulrask>Hello there !
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06:15<jan>hello
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06:15<jan>i have a big problem what i must do to install firefox on lenny
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06:16<twb>!tell jan -about iceweasel
06:16<jan>i hate iceveasel
06:17<jan>this program blocking all images and flash i need a firefoX
06:17<jan>grrrrr
06:17<twb>jan: plonk.
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06:18<jan>?
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06:18<Ulrask>jan > what ? Those two are exactly the same
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06:18<^^mayday^^>ciao
06:18<Ulrask>Just disable the plugins you may have and/or install gnash/adobe flash
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06:19<jan>grrr
06:19<jan>i need only gfirefox!!!
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06:20<jan>i must unistal iceweasel and instal firefox!!!
06:20<jan>i hate this shit what named iceweasel
06:20<Ulrask>My best advice would be to install Microsoft Windows Vista then
06:20<ml>jan: iceweasel is firefox
06:20<Ulrask>you won't have any problem with firefox on this one
06:20<twb>Windows is, after all, the primary platform for Firefox.
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06:21<jan>yes but i like firefox only debian dont have a standard firefox
06:21<Ulrask>And there even is a superior piece of software called Microsoft Internet Explorer, much better if you're looking for malwares
06:21<jan>i must have firefox
06:21<ml>Ulrask: lol
06:21<Ulrask>Iceweasel IS standard firefox, only the name change
06:21<Ulrask>the name, and the icon
06:22<ml>jan: well download the source and build it then
06:22<jan>no because firefox is better for me i need firefox instal on debian and unistal a iceweasel!!!!
06:22<Ulrask>Mozilla even has a standard windows-like installer wizard for linux on their website
06:22<Ulrask>If you, like, had the curiosity to drop an eye on the official website before coming here
06:22<ml>Ulrask: they do hmmm
06:23<ml>iceweasel is just fine here :)
06:23<Ulrask>jan > just rename your "iceweasel" shortcut to "firefox" and that's it, you pretty much have firefox already
06:23<jan>ulrask the source on mozilla website is only runbnabkle( portable wersion dont have installer
06:24<petern_>runbnabkle?
06:24<jan>why debain users always says that iceweasel is super, i hate to more blcok on websites i like see all
06:24<Ulrask>it's not super it's just the same. exactly the same.
06:24<jan>no iceweasel is firefox 2
06:24<ml>ice blocks websites that news to me
06:25<jan>i like firefox 3
06:25<Ulrask>And what you mean, bullock on websites ? You're just not surfing the right ones then
06:25<jan>for all graphics i se fucking play button
06:25<bvu>jan, then uninstall gnash
06:25<Ulrask>jan > aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel and there, you have your firefox 3 already
06:25<twb>Kindly prefix comments to jan with "jan: ", so I can ignore them.
06:25<ml>jan you must have flash block
06:25<petern_>lol
06:25<bvu>nothing to do with iceweasel
06:25<petern_>that's FLASH...
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06:26<ml>lol
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06:26<jan>i need only one fucking instruction simple oly tahat what i must do to instal normal firefox what named firefox
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06:26<ml>jan: install flash
06:27<jan>i need only one fucking instruction simple oly tahat what i must do to instal normal firefox what named firefox
06:27<Ulrask>jan : there is no firefox on debian, period.
06:27<ml>even if you build firefox you will have the same problem
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06:27<jan>for console i run a normal firefox 3
06:28<Ulrask>jan : seriously, what about you try an OS like Ubuntu ? Seems like it's more the kind you need
06:28<jan>but they dont have a fucking flash
06:28<jan>the ubuntu repositories ( .deb files dont work
06:28<petern_>ubuntu certainly does have flash
06:28<ml>hehe
06:28<Ulrask>jan : Debian is not for everyone. Linux for everyone = Ubuntu, Mandriva, ect...
06:29<jan>ubuntu for 3 days have 4 errors on my computer and dont like my phenom x4
06:29<jrodger>jan: firefox.com, download from the actual site and stop whinging
06:29<ml>jan: please educate your self
06:29<markus2>Hi, iv'e managed to install debian lenny on an p3, 900mhz, also on a simialar computer i've installed etch. both computers are unable to boot, they get only to the first screen and halts on after loading initrid, i've tried some different bios settings and also bios reset. suggestions?
06:29<Lethalman>jan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/flashplugin-nonfree <- you must enable universe e multiverse in your sources.list on ubuntu
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06:29<markus2>i don't get any kind of error message or so,, it just freeze
06:30<jrodger>markus2: hvae you tried lenny with LXDE? really fast - I am running on a Centrino Duo with 2GB ram and trying to install on my netbook, runs on both
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06:30<Ulrask>markus2 : have you tried the live debian, just to check if it's due to the installation process ?
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06:31<ml>markus2: yes try lenny I hvae it ruuning on a old laptop 1200mhz p3
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06:31<markus2>Ulrask: no i have not, but i managed to run etch on it before.. with the same hardware, it's possible that i had the same problem than, but i don't remember
06:32<ml>markus2: maybe a hardware issue, did you test memory
06:32<eax>Hi there :) I'm trying to install and run an irc server on my newly installed Debian. I've tried googling it but to no avail. Do you guys know any good servers and guides to installing them? :)
06:32<Ulrask>I dunno then markus, it "should" work, it's way beyond my knowledge
06:33<Lethalman>eax: apt-cache search irc server
06:33<eax>Lethalman: apt-cache ?
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06:34<Lethalman>eax: yes should I rewrite it?
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06:34<fxiny>hever: i'm checking dump/restore for deleted files since last incremetal . yes , deleted files are not restored
06:34<eax>Lethalman: Yes please :) First time trying debian :)
06:34<markus2>ml: Maybe, but it's two computers that i've tried on, and i don't think both of them have memory problem.. the problem is more likely to be something with the kernel i think
06:34<Lethalman>eax: so you don't know what a terminal is
06:34<markus2>maybe some kernel option or something?
06:34<fxiny>hever: i have no tape device , just a dump from compressed file
06:34<eax>Lethalman: Yes I do, just first time trying debian
06:35<Lethalman>eax: apt-cache search irc server
06:35<Lethalman>eax: for explanations, man apt-cache
06:35<ml>markus2: could be try with lenny then since you are trying with etch
06:35<Ulrask>markus : then maybe you install etch and progressivly install new kernels without deleting the formers, to check at which one the bug start occuring
06:35<eax>Lethalman: Okay thanks, any good guides you know of?
06:35<Lethalman>eax: guides for that
06:35<Lethalman>*what
06:35<eax>Lethalman: Setting up the server
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06:36<markus2>ml: iv'e tried both lenny and etch. Lenny on computer 1 and etch on computer 2
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06:36<ml>markus2: is the cd fine? test it for errors
06:36<fxiny>hever: i can restore selected dirs only , thanx for remind me of dump/resatore , i think i'll use it again
06:37<markus2>ml: Yes it's fine, iv'e checked it.
06:38<ml>markus2: try what Ulrask suggested gl
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06:39<jan>what comand in console copy a files?
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06:40<markus2>This is as long as i get.. Exect that i don't get the "uncompressing linux" line http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1694/lin1eg0.jpg
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06:40<markus2>jan: "cp file target"
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06:44<xavier_>bonjour a tous
06:44<jan>cp command dont work
06:44<jan>dibnt copy a folder
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06:45<markus2>then use "cp -r"
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06:53<markus2>acpi=off does not help either
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07:04<langone> /msg MTF|CINE|003 XDCC SEND #57
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07:07<user01>is there a multiuser opensource cross platform email client for debian?
07:07<Gekz>that's a mouthful
07:07<Gekz>:D
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07:08<user01>good i didnt have to open it to type it :)
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07:08<Gekz>haha
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07:10<user01>someone in another channel told me thunderbird was, but i just spoke with a developer who told me it wasnt when i explained the problem i was having with thunderbird
07:11<petern_>multiuser? what isn't multiuser?
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07:11<user01>or seamonkey on debian :)
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07:14<user01>petern_, well for example if on my seamonkey client i create mailboxes A B C in this order, and A is my shared mail, and the other person setup D A F, in that order, if i create a template for A, the from field will show A for me, but D for the other person, because of the order the personal account was created in
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07:16<user01>petern_, when i explained this on the mozilla forum they said thunderbird is not intended for multi-user use
07:17<user01>petern_, so i am looking for a multi-user opensource cross-platform email client in debian :)
07:18<user01>. . . if it exists . . .
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07:19<user01>when i google zimbra pops up
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07:27<knoppix_>witam czy moze mi ktos pomuc z instalacja linuxa via LAN ??
07:27<petern_>...
07:27<petern_>user01, you can... choose... the from field
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07:28<petern_>thunderbird is perfectly able to be 'multi user'
07:28<Guest458>hi can anyone help me install linux via LAN ??
07:28<petern_>because, you know, settings are not global
07:28<abrotman>which version of linux?
07:28<Guest458>i have knopix live cd
07:28<Guest458>ubuntu 8.10
07:28<Guest458>any of them ;P
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07:29<Guest458>most prefered ubuntu
07:29<petern_>i suggest you try an ubuntu channel for that
07:29<Guest458>i m stuck on tftp
07:29<user01>petern_, yes, but when I choose A on my personal system, save it in the group box, it appears as D on the other in my example
07:29<Guest458>what the diference ?
07:29<Guest458>when i need to start ;)
07:30<abrotman>Guest458: then ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
07:30<user01>because it saves it as "mailbox id1" or something instead of the actual email address
07:30<Guest458>ubuntu is debian clone heh
07:30<Guest458>open sociaty ;P
07:30<Guest458>rotfl
07:30<Guest458>but tx i go ask on ubuntu
07:30<user01>i thought it was african cant install debian
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07:36<tsim>hi
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07:43<tsim>Can someone please help me with my problem: I have a debian squezze with LUKS encrypted lvm. I had 2 problems with my usb-keyboard. It did not work to enter the luks-key but afterwards in the gui it worked. Then I added usbhid and some other modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and now I can enter the luks-pw with it. But I still cannot use my usb-keyboard after suspend to ram and I have no idea how to fix it. When I go to suspend2diskit works.
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07:46<fxiny>tsim: suspend and LUKS ? see if this can help : http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/
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07:47<Kilerhageman>When I try to open an dir with cd, it says permission denied... How can I give myself permission to open that dir?
07:48<tsim>fxiny: The problem ist not that suspend is not working (it is working perfectly), but it is that my usb keyboard does not work anymore
07:49<abrotman>Kilerhageman: which directory?
07:49<tsim>fxiny: hmm, when I remove hid, usbhid, hci_usb, uhci_hcd, an ohci_hcd and reload them it works
07:49<fxiny>tsim: right , i have a LUKS system but i do not supend or use usb . that url is the only one i found looking for LUKS suspend issue
07:49<Kilerhageman>Ehm, modules dir of my IRCd
07:50<fxiny>tsim: i'm actually checking dump for backing it up against that dumbass called dd
07:50<fxiny>dd is so dumb :P
07:51<fxiny>now , if thsi 674M dump compressed backup file replace my / LUKS i'll be quite happy . same device with dd and same compression is 3.4G . checking it ...
07:52<fxiny>dump slips unallocated space like partimage but partimage cannot backup up a mounted partition . dump can
07:52<fxiny>skips*
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07:57<fxiny>tsim: are you using keys ?
07:57<tsim>no, just a password
07:57<fxiny>one pass for one lvm volume only ?
07:58<tsim>encrypted lvm with 3 partitions (home, root, swap)
07:58<tsim>-partitions+logical volumes
07:58<fxiny>yes, but you have the volume encrypted not the single partitions , right ?
07:58<tsim>yes
07:59<fxiny>tsim: i'm not using lvm . when resizing home io discovered an issue about keys
08:00<tsim>ok
08:00<tsim>why aren't you using lvm?
08:00<fxiny>tsim: it reports a frightening "bad superblock" at boot and can't mount home . edit cryptab > none . make a new key and addit back . the key is the issue , there is no "bad superblock"
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08:01<fxiny>tsim: because my LUKS is a clone
08:02<fxiny>tsim: set the layer up and clone it over . add whatever LUKS need , including a proper initram
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08:03<tsim>ok, I guess I cannot help you, because I don't know anything deeper in linux; I only installed it with the installer
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08:03<fxiny>tsim: any system can be turned into a LUKS system in minutes
08:04<fxiny>tsim: the installer is fine . is a great installer
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08:04<tsim>yes, it did everything I need, except the usb-keyboard issue
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08:05<mikeyjk>can someone help me with some C coding :3?
08:06<adb>try ##C on freenode
08:06<mikeyjk>cheers man
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08:14<lillo>ciao a tutti
08:14<lillo>!list
08:14<dpkg>lillo: VATTENE VIA
08:15<lillo>perchè
08:15<fxiny>hahahahaahahaahah
08:15<fxiny>who did it ? hahahahahaahahaha
08:15<lillo>che hai da ridere
08:15<fxiny>best of the year !
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08:16<lillo>!list
08:16<dpkg>lillo: VATTENE VIA
08:16<fxiny>lillo: you gonna get some warez-china :P
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08:16<fxiny>hahahaah
08:16<fxiny>can't nelieve it :))))))
08:16<fxiny>belive*
08:16<yusuo>can anyone help me with accessing my samba share, its becoming a nightmare
08:16<patrikf>yusuo: just tell us where you're stuck. "Don't ask to ask"
08:17<yusuo>when i try to connect through my mac, i can see the shares fine but whenever i try and connect it says connection refused
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08:17<yusuo>if i look in more detail it says no guest account
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08:19<fxiny>right , so on a / 3.5G LUKS system , backing it up wit dd i get a compressed 3.4G file . *only* 674MB with dump . the only problems are file stamps , ids don't like that :P
08:19<fxiny>dd is dumb
08:19<fxiny>dpkg rulez
08:19<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
08:20<yusuo>so no one knows huh, networking supposed to be simple
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08:22<abrotman>yusuo: so allow guests
08:23<yusuo>i've tried by adding guest ok = yes and still nothing
08:23<slush>or login with the right credentials
08:23<slush>check if permissions of the files are right
08:24<yusuo>there fine, i have complete access to them through my user its just refusing the connection
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08:26<yusuo>i have a copy of my smb.conf file on debian forums if someone would mind taking a look
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08:29<ilies>hi all:)
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08:34<paulo>olá pessoal
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08:55<jrodger>hey, what is an applet to stop services in debain lenny?
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09:13<paxl>I have a little question about compiz-fusion, why to all my window that open are not given the focus and raised over all other window ?
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09:30<adema>hello everyone
09:30<adema>i need some help again
09:31<chahibi>!help
09:31<adema>three weeks ago, i cp my entire debian system onto another partition, i changed the fstab, grub etc??
09:31<adema>etc..
09:31<adema>it works fine :)
09:31<makertoo>hello every body
09:32<adema> but when i upgrade my kernel, the menu.lst(from grub) is modified and when i reboot it tried to boot on the old partition (which doesn't exist anymore)
09:32<adema>i wonder which config file of initramfs or else i forgot to modify
09:32<makertoo>.
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09:36<makertoo>hmm
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09:40<pawel>is there someone making Debian?
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09:41<wferi>Hi! rsyslog debug says: invalid property name: 'fromhost-ip' when I try to use the fromhost-ip property.
09:41<wferi>Does it work for anybody?
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09:42<pawel>There is error in libgomp1 - it is depency of gcc dpkg returns error "bad package filesystem" when installing via aptitude something what uses gcc
09:43<pawel>I cant install even zip!
09:44<variable>in etch there was no problem when i inserted usb key (it mounted autometicly) but in lenny i always have to mount it manually, Where is the problem here?
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09:47<pawel>There is error in libgomp1 - it is depency of gcc: dpkg returns error "bad package filesystem" when installing via aptitude something what uses gcc
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10:08<Boter>hello :)
10:08<Boter>i have problems with upgrading on lenny
10:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 393] by debhelper
10:09<Boter>libc6 is broken
10:09<mike_hurley>does anybody know if it's possible to have apt-get upgrade to a certain date and not the latest?
10:09<Boter>with downgrade on old version i can not perform upgrade on lenny
10:09<Boter>do i really need 2.6 kernel for this?
10:09<valdyn>Boter: yes
10:09<Boter>hm
10:10<Boter>couse i have problems with 2.6 on this machine
10:10<valdyn>Boter: theres no workaround, you need 2.6
10:10<Boter>i do everything, even add in grub 2.6 but when i reboot there is only 2.4 to choose
10:10<valdyn>Boter: so fix those problems
10:10<Boter>any idea?
10:11<valdyn>Boter: so you really have a boot manager problem, not a 2.6 kernel problem
10:11<Boter>hm
10:11<Boter>probably you don't have any idea why right?
10:11<Boter>i never have had that kind of problem
10:12<Boter>maybe dependencies or upgrade problem?
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10:12<valdyn>!8-ball Boter
10:12<valdyn>!8ball Boter
10:12<dpkg>Are you smoking crack?
10:12<valdyn>Boter: i dont have any useful information to work with
10:12<abrotman>magic 8ball ?
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10:13<abrotman>bah ...
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10:13<Boter>brb goin out for lunch and than i'll play with this
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10:24<debianuser1>hi
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10:26<debianuser1>I am not able to used the ntfs-3g driver, when I do modinfo it says could not find module ntfs-3g, it is install and so it fuse and I tried to reinstall it as well but still can load the module, the kernel ntfs driver works
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10:27<valdyn>debianuser1: depmod -a
10:28<debianuser1>no output for depmod -a
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10:29<debianuser1>is that was is supposed to happen
10:30<debianuser1>also what i noticed is in "/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/fs" there is no folder for ntfs-3g
10:30<valdyn>debianuser1: yes
10:30<valdyn>debianuser1: there does not need to be a directory
10:30<valdyn>debianuser1: questions is if its there or not
10:30<valdyn>debianuser1: i guess not. Even though you claimed it was there
10:31<valdyn>debianuser1: uh, ntfs-3g is a fuse fs driver, that means it has no kernel module at all
10:31<debianuser1>I don't know if it is supposed to be there,
10:31<valdyn>debianuser1: man ntfs-3g
10:32<debianuser1>ok, dpkg -l lists ntfs-3g and libntfs-3g31
10:32<debianuser1>man ntfs-3g shows up
10:32<valdyn>debianuser1: now read it
10:34<datak>lol
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10:39<datak>sorry for interupting, two questions: a) any EXACT method to know how much memory has my computer and b) can I run two different servers (apache and, e.g., dhttpd; or better 2 different dhttpd same time ) in different ports in the same machine? sorry if it'is confusing..
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10:39<abrotman>free -m
10:39<abrotman>you can run two .. but you'll have to change some configuration details .. and/or possibly compile from source
10:40<stew>no reason to compile
10:40<datak>love you stew
10:40<datak>jokes apart, how should I do, plz?
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10:41<stew>datak: "aptitude install apache2 dhttpd" ; you can configure where apache2 listens by editing /etc/apache2/ports.conf and maybe the file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ; i have no idea how to configure dhttpd
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10:43<stew>datak: 'free' or cat /proc/meminfo will tell you about how much memory linux sees, which in some cases might be different than what is physically installed. dmidecode should tell you what is physically installed
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10:45<datak>@stew - thanks so much; I will have a look ... and yes; i have one httpd already installed (synaptized); so I was wondering how to install the second... I thought I could DL sources and install somwwhere, then modify */ports.conf adn */httpd.conf (from memory); is this right, plz?
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10:47<stew>datak: why download sources? why not just install the debian package?
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10:48<datak>yes; I'm so noobie, sorry XD
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11:00<datak>so if my cat /proc/meminfo says MemTotal: 190292 kB should I believe it or could it be 256 ??
11:01<fxiny>256-190=video card ?
11:01<javi0>HOLA
11:02<petern_>256-64=192
11:02<javi0>alguien me puede ayudar con problemita
11:02<petern_>so you've lost 64 somewhere
11:02<petern_>onboard graphics could do it i guess
11:03<javi0>#esdebian
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11:04<sun>hi im installing testing, there used to be an option where i could have lvm encryption but im not seeing it on the iso i downloaded, does anyone know how to get encrypted partition installation?
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11:05<javi0>nadie que hable español?
11:06<zumbi>!es
11:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:07<leonidas>bonjour all
11:07<zumbi>!fr
11:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
11:08<leonidas>thx :p
11:09<zumbi>!thx
11:09<dpkg>THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks"
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11:09<leonidas>thanks dpkg
11:09<zumbi>dpkg is cool
11:09<dpkg>zumbi: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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11:18<Wolf>hi
11:18<Wolf>any body there?
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11:19<Wolf> hi hi
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11:19<Wolf>hi
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11:20<noflash>Wolf, if you have a debian related question, just ask
11:20<Wolf>i have a question...
11:20<Wolf>i want python 3 for debian can u help me?
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11:21<Wolf>r u there?
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11:26<reece>am i alone
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11:27<lethias>Anyone use xen, i'm interested in trying it but am rather confused bout the hardware requirements.
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11:36<erling>does anyone know how to burn a .nrg file in linux ?
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11:37<fxiny>convert it to iso
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11:37<dr|z3d>Or use Nero for Linux.
11:38<erling>ty
11:38<fxiny>nrg2iso coverts it just fine
11:38<erling>isnt nrg2iso a windows program ?
11:38<erling>guess i was wrong
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11:40<valdyn>lethias: whats there to be confused about?
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11:43<lethias>If i need virtualization hardwired into my processor or not.
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11:44<valdyn>lethias: not
11:45<lethias>valdyn: i'm wanting to try xp on it.
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11:45<valdyn>lethias: then you need virtualisation extension in your cpu
11:46<lethias>oh, i dont' have that in my pc. :( Looks as though i'm waiting on the new system to be built to do that.
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11:49<Boter>hm i figured out that i really have problem with grub
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11:53<Boter>grub: asmstub.c:170: grub_stage2: Assertion `ret == 0' failed.
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11:58<deniz>can someone help me get my graphical controls visuals to look good again? (themes still appear in the appearance menu) instead of having my nice "glossy p" theme work with curvy blue scroll bars etc but i get gray rectangles windows 98 style ever since i did apt-get autoremove like an idiot :(
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12:02<deniz>given my /var/log/dpkg.log is there any command that can re-install everything i've removed like 2 days ago or something?
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12:05<dane1>deniz:
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12:05<dane1>awk ' $3 == "remove" && $1 == "2009-03-26" {print $4 }' /var/log/dpkg.log
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12:05<dane1>awk ' $3 == "remove" && $1 == "2009-03-26" {print $4 }' /var/log/dpkg.log | xargs apt-get -f -y install
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12:05<deniz>dane1, i do both commands?
12:05<dane1>first one to look
12:06<dane1>the other is to DO it
12:06<deniz>dane1, k, thx, ill try it out
12:06<dane1>change date to run it again for another day
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12:07<deniz>dane1, so i can do the first one and it won't affect anything right?
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12:08<javi0>#Debianitas
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12:11<bighornram>I'm missing my option "encrypt" on a right click in nautilus. How can I go about getting that back. I'm in sqeeze.
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12:18<jaku007>Hello folks
12:19<dane1>deniz: right, it will only list deleted packages on that day
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12:21<joseph>hi
12:21<jaku007>somebody, used cron with to run php script?
12:21<deniz>dane1, i never i would ever be able to do this! thanks alot! (im just waiting for it to redownload it all now)
12:21<dane1>:)
12:21<deniz>i never thought i*
12:22<deniz>dane1, thank you soooooooooo much :)
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12:22<dane1>i never thought i would write awk skript for foreigners :)
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12:22<deniz>dane1, what does awk actually do?
12:23<dane1>its selecting correct lines from the log file
12:23<dane1>and pringing the right column
12:23<dane1>printing*
12:25<dane1>deniz: xarg is giving those lines to the apt-get -f -y as parameters
12:25<dane1>-f -y means do not ask, do it
12:26<deniz>-f is fix on its own right?
12:26<dane1>heh i meant --force-yes :) but it will not harm :)
12:26<dane1>thats the -y
12:26<dane1>you are right its fix
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12:27<deniz>dane1, how long have you been a linux user for?
12:27<dane1>some 15 years?
12:27<deniz>dane1, o lol, im 17 years old
12:27<dane1>deniz: if you would learn linux instead of trying to fix windows all the time, you would be a guru now :)
12:28<dane1>you cant fix windows :))
12:28<deniz>dane1, well i just reinstalled windows each time lol
12:28<dane1>its microsofts job -- and they love to fail fixing it..
12:28<deniz>dane1, well maybe microsoft 7 will be different?
12:29<deniz>or maybe apple needs more share to threaten microsoft?
12:29<dane1>yes it will be much better
12:29<dane1>for the big brother
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12:29<dane1>deniz: rather think about freedom
12:29<dane1>market share might not be your friend
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12:30<deniz>dane1, is installing ur OS to a flash drive and using it in comp's in other locations part of that freedom?
12:30<deniz>or was there some windows way to do it?
12:30<dane1>go read 'digital imprimatur'
12:30<deniz>dane1, does that mean the thing wen it only allows u to use 1 comp?
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12:30<dane1>not if the OS is not controlled by you totally
12:31<dane1>if the os will control you, its evil one
12:31<dane1>if you control your compter, its yours
12:31<dane1>if you are controlled - you are slave
12:31<deniz>dane1, ya it is annoying that windows prevents you from doing lots of things
12:32<deniz>dane1, anyways im going to restart comp to see if the problem is fixed now :)
12:32<dane1>not only...
12:32<dane1>they manage your ability to live, think, create
12:32<dane1>and they are watching you!
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12:33<dane1>deniz why do you think there is global economic crisis? not all people do want to make world better :) its rather the other way around...
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12:34<dane1>deniz why do you think there is global economic crisis? not all people do want to make world better :) its rather the other way around...
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12:34<deniz>dane1, omg you restored my everything perfectly! and im not one of those ppl, i no its not much but i run folding@home every night
12:34<dane1>folding will not save your soul :)
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12:35<deniz>dane1, i dont need to be saved since i dont do bad stuff rely
12:35<dane1>:))
12:35<oznt>hi everyone, does anyone know a successful way to replace the default file manager from nautilus ? I've followed a couple of ideas, but clicking on the desktop icons always brings nautilus :-(
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12:35<dane1>deniz: btw congrats :)
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12:35<dane1>oznt: remove all packages which contain gnome in the name
12:35<dane1>and istall kdebase
12:35<dane1>you might like it
12:36<deniz>dane1, i already tried kde, and i have some complaints about
12:36<oznt>dane1, thanks, but no thanks. KDE dev, don't really care about simple things like changing keyboard layout
12:36<dane1>i only complain about kde4 :)
12:36<oznt>mr. siego thinks we all speak english :-(
12:36<dane1>oznt: impossible
12:36<dane1>its working well for me
12:36<dane1>are you from china?
12:36<dane1>:))
12:37<oznt>well, show me a way to change layout in kde 3.5 without kkbswitch ?
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12:37<dane1>it is working few years before it worked in gnome well
12:37<dane1>:))
12:37<oznt>no, I am from germany, but I type in many language
12:37<oznt>s
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12:38<oznt>anyway, back to my original question, how do I replace nautilus with another file manager in debian ?
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12:38<deniz>dane1, i just wanted to thank you again and im gonna leave now to study
12:38<abrotman>in gnome you mean ?
12:38<dane1>oznt: i am not using kkbswitch
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12:38<DarkSc0rp>Hello eberyone :)
12:38<DarkSc0rp>everyone*
12:38<abrotman>oznt: in gnome?
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12:38<dane1>and it all works for me - ctrl-alt-k or my shortuct alt-shift - both work well
12:39<DarkSc0rp>Hows is everybody doing today?
12:39<dane1>hmm but i am on kde4 right now :)
12:39<oznt>well, change from english to hebrew ? not from english to german or english to danish ? the reason kkbswitch was invented was because KDE devs don't listen to users
12:39<dane1>which somewhat sucks
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12:39<oznt>abrotman, yes, in gnome please
12:39<DarkSc0rp>I'm running Backtrack 4 :)
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12:39<abrotman>oznt: just don't start nautilus .. use something else
12:39<LiCeT>hi all
12:40<DarkSc0rp>Hi Licet
12:40<oznt>i've read about an hour how to do it.
12:40<abrotman>DarkSc0rp: this channel is for Debian support
12:40<oznt>abrotman, how do I prevent nautilus from starting in my gnome session ?
12:40<dane1>גהג
12:40<DarkSc0rp>Sorry Abrotman
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12:40<oznt>dane1, are you using kde4 ?
12:40<oznt>now ?
12:41<dane1>yes >:)
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12:41<dane1>but imho it worked even in kde3.5
12:41<abrotman>oznt: check your gnome session properties applet
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12:41<dane1>kde4 is still sucky, plasma is eating memory
12:41<dane1>and its sometimes very slow and evil
12:41<en3rgy>guys,does any of you played etqw on linux?
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12:42<dane1>en3rgy: what is etqw?
12:42<en3rgy>ienemy territory quake wars
12:42<en3rgy>enemy*
12:42<en3rgy>a game
12:42<oznt>dane1, it didn't. and I don't even want to bother with kde4. I have some many rants about it. Bottom line of my opinion. KDE is great for developers. Siego is GOD, and so on. But I don't go to KDE curch, and I belong to people who want a nice humble desktop
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12:43<en3rgy>i have some problems with initialisation
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12:43<en3rgy>the sdl libs are ok ia32 also... the nvidia driver ok
12:43<dane1>oznt: i would maybe use gnome if the file dialog would not suck so much
12:43<dane1>:))
12:43<en3rgy>i get a blank screen with sound
12:43<en3rgy>and that` all
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12:43<dane1>en3rgy: always read logs
12:43<oznt>dane1, well you stay were you are comfi.
12:43<en3rgy>doesn`t help too much
12:44<dane1>i am unable to navigate in gnome file dialogs
12:44<dane1>its impossible ... :)
12:44<dane1>to change 5 dirs away is nightmare
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12:45<dane1>imho gnome is good for people who use 2 applications whole day
12:45<en3rgy>UDF-fs no VRS found.. what is this?
12:46<dane1>dont know
12:46<dane1>its generally good idea to go to theirs channel first
12:46<en3rgy>that`s the reason for that the game won`t display right
12:46<dane1>if they have it
12:46<dane1>try quakenet
12:46<en3rgy>is emty here
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12:46<en3rgy>i`ll try freenode
12:46<dane1>freenode is not good for gamers
12:46<dane1>go to quakenet network
12:46<oznt>abrotman, i tried your suggestion... but it failes
12:47<en3rgy>what channel?
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12:47<abrotman>oznt: what did you do with the applet ?
12:47<dane1>i dont know, maybe search for the app name
12:47<dane1>in channels
12:47<en3rgy>ok thanks..
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12:48<oznt>abrotman, what do you mean what I did with the applet ? I typed alt+f2, and then gnome-session-properties
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12:48<abrotman>oznt: and did you remove nautilus from it ?
12:48<dane1>btw hello abrotman, i admire your long time commitment.... to help debian users :)
12:48<abrotman>hi! thanks
12:48<oznt>then I removed nautilus, not before I removed the restart option. but it's still opens nautilus when I click on a folder
12:49<oznt>abrotman, I clicked on nautilus and then clicked remove
12:50<abrotman>on a folder?
12:50<oznt>abrotman, I don't mind having nautilus as the desktop manager. I just want to be able to click on a folder on the desktop and have thunar opened instead of nautilus
12:50<abrotman>oh ... i'm not sure you can do that .. the desktop manager is nautilus
12:51<abrotman>maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org ..
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12:52<oznt>abrotman, this is really annoying :-( I can't even change it via 'open with' it's locked
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12:53<oznt>abrotman, thanks anyway, I got to go afk.
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12:58<LiCeT>is there any way to get "video/x-ms" on lenny?
12:58<en3rgy>what`s this ? Mar 28 17:45:59 En3rgY kernel: [ 2267.269034] etqw.x86[5060]: segfault at 44 ip f7e2d4c0 sp ffc2008c error 4 in libpthread-2.7.so[f7e26000+13000]
12:58<Geek`N`Proud>LiCeT: WMV files?
12:58<LiCeT>mozilla plugins
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12:59<LiCeT>webradio
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12:59<Geek`N`Proud>LiCeT: for playing WMV files there's codecs in the debian-multimedia.org repos
13:01<Geek`N`Proud>LiCeT: on my system kaffeine starter plugin handles it when I have w32codecs installed
13:01<Geek`N`Proud>but mplayer's mozilla plugin should also handle it
13:02<LiCeT>hmmm...i'll have to look...absolutely new to this :D
13:02<LiCeT>mplayer?
13:02<LiCeT>k thx
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13:04<valdyn>mplayer from dmm should play wmv out of the box
13:05<LiCeT>dmm?
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13:05<valdyn>en3rgy: something like quakeworld or whatever etqw is crashing
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13:06<valdyn>!dmm
13:06<dpkg>from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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13:06<valdyn>and certainly this should work without w32codecs, i cant even use those
13:07<LiCeT>cool thx...i'll try
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13:08<valdyn>i wonder what those codecs are still needed for, maybe some realmedia crap
13:08<LiCeT>webradio valdyn
13:08<en3rgy>valdyn, the app is initialise ok.. i`ve played before on win.. but i can`t get image.. it`s all white..
13:08<valdyn>LiCeT: which one?
13:08<en3rgy>can i be wrong about sdl?
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13:08<valdyn>en3rgy: it crashed, that is all i can see from that line
13:08<en3rgy>maybe isn`t installed properly
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13:09<en3rgy>i`ll put a paste..
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13:09<valdyn>LiCeT: which webradio?
13:09<LiCeT>german planet/ffh
13:11<valdyn>LiCeT: gives me a white box that looks like a plugin output belongs there
13:11<valdyn>strange , flash should work
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13:12<LiCeT>get an error message "unknown plugin (video/x-ms-asf)"
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13:13<valdyn>LiCeT: that is not yet a codec issue
13:13<valdyn>LiCeT: just you not having a media player plugin installed that deals with that extension
13:14<LiCeT>what kind of media player do i need?
13:14<valdyn>mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin für Mozilla
13:14<en3rgy>http://paste.debian.net/31792/
13:15<LiCeT>"will not be installed because it does not provide secure updates" .... lol
13:16<grummund>umm, i just tried to open OpenOffice for the first time since upgrading to lenny... it just shows "starting OpenOffice.org" in the task bar for a while, then nothing.
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13:17<grummund>where can i look for errors to see why OO.o won't open?
13:17<cahoot>try from a terminal
13:17<en3rgy>grummund, you may need to upgrade some libs depending on that version of OpenOffice..
13:17<cahoot>to catch any error msg
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13:18<grummund>ah...
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13:18<grummund>/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice: line 352: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/pagein: No such file or directory
13:18<grummund>/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice: line 384: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: No such file or directory
13:19<en3rgy>i once had the same problem with some apps.. ate aptitude wont just install the dependencies.. i think is about the dependencies versions..
13:19<en3rgy>well..it seems that is missing a binary
13:19<abrotman>grummund: how did you install OO ?
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13:20<en3rgy>if you runned an upgrade..?
13:20<en3rgy>are you using gnome?
13:20<grummund>i installed it with apt-get while using etch, since upgraded to lenny
13:20<en3rgy>right
13:20<grummund>gnome. yes
13:20<en3rgy>dependencies..
13:21<en3rgy>from etch to lenny.. the aptitude can`t manage all the dependencies.. or maybe you didn`t upgraded all the libs
13:21<grummund>it's not a custom build or anothing.. just a stock debian install
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13:22<en3rgy>i agree.. but dispite the aptitude manager.. i have seen some lacks about apt-get manager
13:22<grummund>perhaps if i purge then re-install OO maybe that will fix it ?
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13:23<en3rgy>don`t know.. you may give it a try..
13:23<fxiny>aptitude upgrades to lenny fine . just follow the procedure
13:24<en3rgy>i did upgraded last night the OO suite.. along with the gnome dm and other stuff worked just fine
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13:24<en3rgy>but the network manager was ded
13:24<en3rgy>i re-installed debian again
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13:24<fxiny>gnome network manager ?
13:24<en3rgy>yep
13:24<fxiny>so blame gnome
13:24<en3rgy>it refuses to connect to nay kind of devices
13:24<en3rgy>nope
13:25<en3rgy>works fine
13:25<en3rgy>i did something wrong during the upgrade process...
13:25<en3rgy>i think
13:25<en3rgy>better yet.. gnome is much more stable then kde
13:26<fxiny>kde needs users support
13:26<fxiny>the ship is not sinking
13:26<en3rgy>fxiny, i agree.but that doesn`t change the facts..
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13:27<en3rgy>i,one im expecting the 3.0 version.. to see what are capable of..
13:27<fxiny>en3rgy: i'm not saying you , but i don't like when someone complains while someone else works hard to fix things
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13:27<fxiny>and i use xmonad
13:28<en3rgy>fxiny, you`re right..
13:28<fxiny>but being a user i want to be fair with foss developpers
13:28<en3rgy>was just my oppinion..
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13:28<en3rgy>grummund, apt-get install --fix-missing?
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13:29<fxiny>en3rgy: that's fine :)
13:29<en3rgy>:)
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13:33<bertodsera>Hi! anyone has an idea of whether there is something like a "compressed directory" for debian? I have a number of large repositories for a CVS-like system. Performance is not a goal, but I'd rather avoid wasting Gbytes of disk space. Yet, all files must remain useable as if they were uncompressed, otherwise the versioning system won't work. Any idea?
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13:34<en3rgy>bertodsera, the only way i know to "compress" a folder is to make an archive..
13:34<en3rgy>i can`t help you.. sorry
13:35<bertodsera>that's what I thought, in fact. I was wondering whether old things like pgp-disks had eveolved into something usable for Debian... but obviously they did not.
13:36<en3rgy>cannot say for sure.. maybe there is something..
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13:40<datak><bertodsera> Do you need to compress data or binaries, too?
13:41<fxiny>bertodsera: sounds like a back it up compressed , and restore problem
13:41<datak>in that case zlibc maybe suits your needs.. of course you have squashfs, too...for sure you know..
13:41<bertodsera>datak: It's mercurial repositories. They only have files into them, some are already compressed (the changesets). A daeomon is constantly working on the set, so backup-restore is not a practical mindset
13:42<bertodsera>it has a couple of operations per minute
13:42<datak>aha.. sorry then, Iḿ not at all an expert
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13:44<bertodsera>datak: Me neither (expert) :) The only thing I can think of is something totally transparent. Something that would actually be "compressed" but that I would see as a normal directory. Pretty much like windows compressed volumes used to be (ages since I used Win, so not sure they still exist)
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13:44<datak>squashfs
13:44<Geek`N`Proud>bertodsera: Compressed Folders in Windows are ZIP files
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13:45<Geek`N`Proud>bertodsera: and you need a filesystem that is compressible to be transparent.. you should make a flat file and format it with a compressible filesystem
13:45<bertodsera>datak" that's read-only
13:46<Geek`N`Proud>bertodsera: I think Reiser4 has a compression plugin
13:46<Geek`N`Proud>>.>
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13:47<omg_onoez>hi, i'm trying to install kwebget and i get "Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found"
13:47<omg_onoez>when ./configure
13:47<omg_onoez>sry 4 my english btw
13:48<bertodsera>Geek`N`Proud: I cannot modify file formats. It's a thing we are going to distribute... so I cannot ask users to install a disk and/or format it just to try the soft... But I can suggest it as a solution for exceedingly big volumes. This will do, methinks.
13:48<bertodsera>tnks everybody:)
13:48<geekie>:p
13:49<omg_onoez>i was searching for solution, but no luck \=
13:49<Geek`N`Proud>omg_onoez: you need qt3-dev or the like
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13:50<omg_onoez>yep, i have it installed
13:51<omg_onoez>libqt3-headers, libqt3-mt-dev
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13:51<Geek`N`Proud>hmm weird :|
13:51<omg_onoez>kdelibs4-dev
13:51<omg_onoez>but i still get "Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found" \=
13:51<datak>bertodsera : XD oops..
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13:52<omg_onoez>and i tried ./configure --with-qt-prefix=/usr/lib/qt
13:52<en3rgy>it seems like the kwebget doesn`t agree with the path..
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13:53<en3rgy>omg_onoez, you did try to install from the repo? the kwebget?
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13:53<omg_onoez>i don't have it
13:53<omg_onoez>in repos
13:54<en3rgy>then? from where?
13:54<omg_onoez>(sry for my english ^_^)
13:54<omg_onoez>from src
13:54<en3rgy>aha..
13:54<en3rgy>gcc g++ build-essential? installed ?
13:54<omg_onoez>yep
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13:55<en3rgy>linux-headers?
13:55<omg_onoez>no
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13:55<omg_onoez>)
13:55<omg_onoez>oh
13:55<omg_onoez>wait...
13:55<omg_onoez>thx
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13:57<abrotman>judd: versions kwget
13:57<judd>abrotman: kwget --
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13:58<IcoNyx>hello... voice?
13:58<IcoNyx>do I have voice?
13:58<en3rgy>don`t think so.. :)
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13:59<IcoNyx>well YOU read me... so I guess I do!
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13:59<en3rgy>by the way.. is someone interested in making icon themes? i have something.. some nice icons..
13:59<Geek`N`Proud>this channel isn't +m methinks
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14:01<omg_onoez>en3rgy, still "Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found."
14:01<omg_onoez>=(
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14:01<en3rgy>hmm..
14:02<en3rgy>maybe you need to specify the d-path..
14:02<en3rgy>after ./configure?
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14:02<IcoNyx>anyone hear of an automount problem with > 1TB external drives?
14:02<yusuo>is there a repo for openoffice 3 as i dont want to install manually
14:02<en3rgy>i never try to install something from the source
14:03<en3rgy>if you are running gnome.. i just installed last night.. the OO 3.0
14:03<en3rgy>but carefull with the upgrades..
14:03<en3rgy>the network manager was ded..
14:03<en3rgy>:D
14:03<yusuo>i am running gnome but its not in the repos,
14:03<omg_onoez>i'm running kde3
14:04<en3rgy>yusuo, depend of the repos.. add new ones
14:04<en3rgy>search google
14:04<yusuo>do you know what repo you grabbed it from im using http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile
14:04<en3rgy>omg_onoez, i cannot tell you what is the problem.. see /var/log/messages
14:04<yusuo>already searched google no luck
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14:05<en3rgy>yusuo, try the source tarr ball
14:05<en3rgy>install it manually
14:05<yusuo>thats what i want to avoid, i want OO3 to update automatically everytime theres a new update, i can do it manually through the debs but thats not the issue
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14:05<IcoNyx>@yusuo: did you check apt-get.org? they keep a list of available debian repos.
14:05-!-atoz-chevara [~atoz-chev@202.123.228.53] has joined #debian
14:06<yusuo>never heard of apt-get.org
14:06<IcoNyx>point your browser to it... trust me.
14:06<abrotman>mostly out of date stuff these days
14:07<yusuo>also wat the hell is isl8336, i think its called when i installed debian it asked me to load it from a usb stick but wat is it
14:07<en3rgy>OOo_3.0.1_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz - - search for this on google
14:07<abrotman>!tell yusuo about bpo
14:07<IcoNyx>the only time they are teh suk is when the local ISP refuses to allow traffic from their domain... not sure how this happens but here in Jackpot, NV (USA) we cant get to it.
14:07<abrotman>en3rgy: why? it's already at backports.org
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14:08<en3rgy>didn`t check
14:08<en3rgy>srry
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14:08<abrotman>judd: versions openoffice.org
14:08<judd>abrotman: openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 squeeze: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 lenny-backports: 1:3.0.1-7~bpo50+1 sid: 1:3.0.1-8 experimental: 1:3.1.0~ooo310m6-1
14:08<abrotman>see
14:08-!-faust [~Johann@dslb-088-070-216-106.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
14:08<IcoNyx>@everyone else recommending source install to yusou: Really? the man does not want to mess with source! I know his position, and believe me he doesn't have to. there ARE packages.
14:08<abrotman>IcoNyx: why woudl you recommend apt-get.org when the packages are in backports.org ?
14:09<yusuo>i can easily do it through a source package but that means i have to update manually everytime and thats a hassle
14:09<abrotman>!tell yusuo about bpo
14:09<faust>Hi there! I just installed kernel 2.6.29 (debian packages) and am curious to try intel kernel mode setting, but it has been disabled to automatically be enabled. What do I have to pass the kernel via grub to enable it
14:09<IcoNyx>abrotman: really? I wasn't aware of backports... but the outcome is the same. thanks!
14:09<abrotman>it's the same? how do you know that?
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14:10<zumbi>ls
14:10*zumbi wrong window
14:10<omg_onoez>lol
14:10-!-_Hunger is now known as Hunger
14:10<omg_onoez>just did
14:10<omg_onoez>./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3
14:10<omg_onoez>))
14:10<abrotman>apt-get.org doesn't even have openoffice in its search results
14:10<omg_onoez>thx, en3rgy
14:11<en3rgy>http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US
14:11<en3rgy>i founded this
14:12<en3rgy>depends of your arch..
14:12<yusuo>thanx en3rgy but thats the option im trying to avoid
14:12<en3rgy>ok.. if it isn`t in the repos and you need it..
14:12<en3rgy>what can i say?
14:12<en3rgy>they are .deb packages for debian there
14:12<en3rgy>have you open the link?
14:12<abrotman>!tell en3rgy about bpo
14:13<abrotman>!tell en3rgy about enter
14:13<IcoNyx>nice...
14:13<stew>en3rgy: how do you know they are for debian? what version of debian are they for?
14:13<en3rgy>so
14:13<en3rgy>:)
14:13<en3rgy>unofficial..
14:13<yusuo>nah its appreciated but im i dont want to install manually i want it to be done automatically through update manager
14:14<en3rgy>yusuo, i agree.. but do you really need OO to be upgraded?
14:14<en3rgy>i mean.. how much do you use it?
14:14<IcoNyx>@yusuo: go here: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
14:14<yusuo>its not a need its more of a want, keep the newest software installed
14:14<IcoNyx>I just checked, OOo 3 is in there.
14:15*abrotman said that 10 minutes ago ..
14:15<IcoNyx>now if only we could get blueman...
14:15<en3rgy>yusuo, having the latest version,doesn`t mean is the much stable one.. but that is your choice.. i use 2.4 v and it works just fine
14:16<yusuo>i've added the bpo repo and nothing
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14:16<abrotman>yusuo: you have to aptitude update after adding the source
14:16<en3rgy>update
14:16<IcoNyx>ok... did you add the gpg key?
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14:16<IcoNyx>it is disabled by default unless you import the key
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14:16<IcoNyx>apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
14:17<IcoNyx>@abrotman: I know... I'm repeating.
14:17<abrotman>@ is annoying ...
14:17<IcoNyx>@@/?
14:17<IcoNyx>hehe
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14:17<yusuo>ive added the keyring and done an update still nothing
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14:18<IcoNyx>ok, where are you looking?
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14:18<IcoNyx>abrotman: sometime play GTA4... your dislike of '@' will change
14:18<yusuo>im running update manager after updating the sources
14:18<IcoNyx>well, there's your problem!
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14:18<abrotman>i doubt it
14:18<IcoNyx>the package is not an update
14:19<abrotman>yusuo: aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org
14:19<yusuo>ahhh ok, lol so i wanna run an aptitude for openoffice
14:19<yusuo>job done
14:20<yusuo>and it should auto update from bpo
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14:22<yusuo>oh by the way thanks guys
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14:23<en3rgy>i state my question again: does any of you guys play etqw on linux?
14:23<yusuo>wats etqw
14:23<en3rgy>i have some problems with the initialisation..
14:23<en3rgy>enemy territoy quake wars.. a game
14:23<LiCeT>can someone tell how to get my old scanner to work?
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14:24<yusuo>yay openoffice 3 works
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14:24<en3rgy>all the requests are solved.. the sdl libs ia320libs drivers for nvidia..
14:24-!-Lantay77 [~Lantay77@adsl-146-3-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
14:24<IcoNyx>en3rgy: sorry man, I dont really do FPS on PC... I stick to Regnum...
14:24<chealer>en3rgy: just ask your question
14:25<LiCeT>its a "canoscan n640p" :p
14:25<en3rgy>IcoNyx, thnx
14:25<en3rgy>chealer,
14:25<en3rgy>i did already.. is installed proprely and i get a white screen with sound
14:25<IcoNyx>but nvidia I do... did you install the nvidia driver the "debian way"?
14:25<en3rgy>yep
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14:25<IcoNyx>there's your problem.
14:25<en3rgy>the nvidia-settings sais so
14:26<en3rgy>be more specific
14:26<IcoNyx>sorry, I know this will irk someone... the debian way of install nvidia drivers does NOT WORK.
14:26<LiCeT>hmmm...interesting...thats next for me :)
14:26<en3rgy>it does with compiz
14:26<IcoNyx>you need to do it the nvidia way.
14:26<en3rgy>with the .sh script?
14:26<valdyn>IcoNyx: what the fuck
14:26<IcoNyx>yeah... but sdl breaks in the process! :P
14:27<IcoNyx>it's actually simple.
14:27<en3rgy>continue..that`s my problem :D
14:27<abrotman>IcoNyx: you're wrong, and please don't tell people to use the ones from nvidia.com
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14:27<LiCeT>how the right way?
14:27<en3rgy>abrotman, the one from nvidia.com worked fine for me.. on etch
14:27<IcoNyx>step 1> download the latest NVIDIA_package_installer.run for your platform.
14:27<abrotman>IcoNyx: STOP
14:27<en3rgy>go on..
14:28<omg_onoez>)))
14:28<IcoNyx>step 2> install gcc-4.1 and linux-headers matching your installed kernel.
14:28<abrotman>en3rgy: please ignore IcoNyx .. he has no idea what he's talking about
14:28<en3rgy>abrotman, if i remember well,the script from the nvidia site just creates kernel modules for the graphic card..?
14:28<abrotman>he's going to break your system if you follow his instructions
14:28<IcoNyx>step 3> goto /usr/bin/ and delete the gcc shortcut.
14:29<abrotman>IcoNyx: stop doing that .. stop breaking his system
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14:29<valdyn>en3rgy: the thing is that the nvidia method does indeed work fine in the short term, but it also breaks your debian system
14:29<IcoNyx>step 4> create a new dynamic link to gcc-4.1, call it gcc
14:29<valdyn>en3rgy: which is much harder to fix later on
14:29-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
14:29-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@208.98.172.42] by abrotman
14:29<en3rgy>hmm..
14:29-!-Bersgrichu [~Bersgrich@93.10.253.222] has joined #debian
14:29-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
14:29<abrotman>IcoNyx: stop giving destructive instructions
14:30<en3rgy>why is it that every day i read new stuff about linux?
14:30<en3rgy>im tired in a way
14:30<fxiny> or instructives destruction :P
14:30<LiCeT>no easier way? :(
14:30<en3rgy>:))
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14:31<en3rgy>so..therefore i should stick with the driver provided by the repos?
14:31<en3rgy>wich is already installed and works well..
14:31<en3rgy>almost..
14:31<LiCeT>to difficult for me right now :p
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14:32<chealer>en3rgy: yes. repeat your question
14:33-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
14:33-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@208.98.172.42] by abrotman
14:33-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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14:33<en3rgy>chealer, i run lenny on amd64.. drivers for nvidia installed processor athlon 64x 5000+ 4bg ram
14:33<en3rgy>SDL libs installed ia32-libs also
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14:34<en3rgy>i installed the etqw client
14:34<en3rgy>a game
14:34<valdyn>en3rgy: demo or full version?
14:34<en3rgy>having all the dependencies from the readme file meet
14:34<en3rgy>demo
14:34<valdyn>en3rgy: where can I get it?
14:35<adasf>Hello. Does 2.6.29 supports softmac wirelesss stack .. because i wan't to use binary broadcom sta driver ?
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14:35<en3rgy>nvidia.com
14:35<en3rgy>comunnity --> click
14:36<en3rgy>srry for my english
14:36<adasf>i run make oldconfig CONFIG_IEEE80211=m or CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_TKIP=m in 2.6.29
14:36<adasf>and don't see
14:36<LiCeT>i get an error when starting gedit as root like "configuration server could not be connected TCP/IP ... ORBit" and so on
14:36<LiCeT>?
14:36<valdyn>en3rgy: i dont see a linux version there
14:37<IcoNyx>HELLO?!?
14:37<en3rgy>wait a second ..
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14:37<IcoNyx>ok, that was not nice abrotman
14:37<abrotman>you were giving destructive instructions
14:37<IcoNyx>no. I was telling him how I have been doing it for FIVE FRIKING YEARS ASSHOLE!!!
14:37-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
14:37-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@208.98.172.42] by stew
14:37-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
14:38<stew>IcoNyx: take a 10 minute break
14:38<en3rgy>back in a few seconds..
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14:41<LiCeT>thats the excact message "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken"
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14:42<valdyn>LiCeT: so dont start it as root
14:42<valdyn>LiCeT: or ignore the error, or use sudo to start it as root
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14:43<valdyn>LiCeT: usually X applications will not start at all this way
14:43<valdyn>LiCeT: not sure what gedit is doing to fix itself ( or some gnome component even )
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14:44<valdyn>LiCeT: sudo does it properly, su does not, sux does not, for gedit
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14:45<LiCeT>well...it's annoing when making some changes in "sources.list" i.e.
14:45-!-gianni [~gianni@151.53.0.116] has joined #debian
14:45<valdyn>LiCeT: as it should be, you shouldnt start this program as root
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14:46<LiCeT>ok :p
14:47<LiCeT>sudo gedit does not work for me or i dont know how to make it work :(
14:47<valdyn>LiCeT: thats because sudo needs to be installed and configured
14:48*Christmas HAI ROMANIA!!!
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14:48<LiCeT>ah ok ... is it in repo?
14:48-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
14:48-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@208.98.172.42] by stew
14:48<valdyn>LiCeT: which debian release are you on?
14:48-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
14:48<LiCeT>lenny
14:48<valdyn>LiCeT: sure it is
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14:48<LiCeT>sorry for such n00bish questions :p
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14:51<en3rgy>right.. so,as a lesson for all of you.. just doing what IcoNyx said.. well i end up using the VESA driver for my graph card :)) nothing personal IcoNyx ..
14:51<valdyn>en3rgy: hope you know how to revert this, i dont
14:51<en3rgy>yep
14:51<en3rgy>i did a backup
14:52<en3rgy>so im ko
14:52<en3rgy>ok
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14:53<valdyn>en3rgy: i cant help you before i got that demo
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14:53<en3rgy>/home/en3rgy/Desktop/ETQW-demo2-client-full.r1.x86.run.torrent
14:53<en3rgy>there you go..
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14:54<valdyn>en3rgy: already got it, the torrent
14:54<en3rgy>get the torrent just :D
14:54<en3rgy>srry about that
14:54<en3rgy>ETQW-demo2-client-full.r1.x86.run.torrent
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14:54<en3rgy>download it
14:54<en3rgy>try to install it..
14:54<en3rgy>and see what`s hapens
14:54<IcoNyx>well now that we all have become such nazi's here, I hope you all catch some venerial desease and die. friken wankers.
14:54<valdyn>en3rgy: you have it running on a different box?
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14:55<en3rgy>valdyn,like?
14:55<en3rgy>i use only debian
14:55<valdyn>en3rgy: on a different computer
14:55<en3rgy>no..
14:56<simonrvn>wow, such a pleasant fellow...
14:56<simonrvn>with bad spelling
14:57<enouf>simonrvn: yeah! pox on you and your venerables! :-P
14:57<simonrvn>heh
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14:59<en3rgy>valdyn, any luck?
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14:59<valdyn>en3rgy: not quite downloaded yet
14:59<en3rgy>ok..srry
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15:02<fxiny>come on , ask for a list :P
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15:03<jonny_---43958>irc://irc.abjects.net/liberty
15:03<simonrvn>fxiny: hehe
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15:03<fxiny>simonrvn: i'm still laughing ;)
15:03<simonrvn>worse, some ass spamming a link for a chan
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15:07<fastidio>hi folks, do you know why installing proprietary nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.29 setup tell me "missing header"?
15:08*Christmas nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
15:08<en3rgy>fastidio, did you tryied to install the driver from source?
15:08<abrotman>wtf
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15:09<fastidio>have tryed to install the nvidia file
15:09<fastidio>the run file
15:09<en3rgy>the .sh script?
15:09<en3rgy>right
15:09<en3rgy>so you need to install the kernel headers first
15:10<fastidio>i've installed it
15:10<en3rgy>as well as gcc build-essential
15:10<en3rgy>and mesa-utils
15:10<en3rgy>yep..on etch
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15:10<en3rgy>for lenny i use the nvidia-kernel from the repo
15:10<fastidio>on sid
15:11<fastidio>nvidia-glx won't install
15:11<en3rgy>yes..anyway if you are installing it from the sh script install first the kernel headers
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15:12<fastidio>'ve still installed it
15:13<valdyn>en3rgy: how are you starting etqw?
15:13<en3rgy>by running the shell script//
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15:13<en3rgy>from /usr/local/games/etqw.demo
15:13<deniz>how do i make gnash be the flash player in lenny for iceweasel?
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15:13<valdyn>en3rgy: theres no executable of that name, i want to know the executables name
15:14<fastidio>ok
15:14<en3rgy>1 sec.
15:14<fastidio>try to reboot
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15:15<en3rgy>etqw.x86
15:15<en3rgy>is the execuable
15:15<valdyn>en3rgy: have you tried etqw ?
15:15*rudepeople must apologize for IcoNyx... he is overzealous sometimes. So to the room, I'm sorry for any and all prior negative comments.
15:15<en3rgy>valdyn, before,yes..on windows..is my fist attempt on linux
15:16<en3rgy>oh,srry
15:16<en3rgy>you mean the sh script?
15:16<en3rgy>yes
15:16<valdyn>en3rgy: yea
15:16<valdyn>en3rgy: have you tried both of them?
15:16<en3rgy>nope
15:16<en3rgy>just the .sh script
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15:17<valdyn>en3rgy: run etqw.x86 directly
15:17-!-en3rgy [en3rgy@host130-73-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:17<valdyn>en3rgy: debian has all the things available, we dont need no LD_PRELOAD hack
15:17-!-en3rgy [en3rgy@host130-73-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
15:18<en3rgy>right... the exec file does the same thinhg as the .sh script
15:18<en3rgy>same white screen with sound
15:18<en3rgy>maybe i dont have the SDL libs updated?
15:19<en3rgy>but,then again they are >1.2
15:19<valdyn>en3rgy: we now tried both debians sdl libraries and the ones shipping with eqtw
15:19<en3rgy>we* ?
15:20<valdyn>en3rgy: you
15:20<en3rgy>right..ok
15:20<en3rgy>the nvidia drivers on my machine works just fine
15:20<en3rgy>the processor is 5000+
15:20<en3rgy>ia32-libs installed
15:21<en3rgy>so..where is the problem?>
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15:27<valdyn>en3rgy: run: "strace -eopen ./etqw.x86 2>&1 | tee logfile" and send me the logfile
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15:29<valdyn>en3rgy: you there?
15:29<rudepeople>so I knwo I have asked this before but I guess I'll have to ask again... has anyone any idea why my 1.5TB external drive is not automounting?
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15:30<rudepeople>technical assistance needed...
15:31<rudepeople>I see, unless it's to flame me or to ban me, you ignore me.
15:31<valdyn>rudepeople: you need to pay more
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15:32<dr|z3d>rudepeople: If you're looking for assistance, it helps to ask a support question _first_.
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15:32<rudepeople>I did
15:32<rudepeople>has anyone any idea why my 1.5TB external drive is not automounting?
15:32<rudepeople>has anyone any idea why my 1.5TB external drive is not automounting?
15:32<rudepeople>has anyone any idea why my 1.5TB external drive is not automounting?
15:32<rudepeople>has anyone any idea why my 1.5TB external drive is not automounting?
15:32<simonrvn>as much as you'd like us to, we don't read minds.
15:32<valdyn>!tell rudepeople -about ask
15:32<valdyn>!tell rudepeople -about smart questions
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15:33<rudepeople>I have a problem with automount; I'm running Debian version lenny. when I try to do plugin my USB 1.5TB hard drive I get the following output NOTHING. I expected it to do MOUNT.
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15:34<valdyn>rudepeople: youre runing gnome or kde? you have which partitions and filesystem on that disk?
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15:35<valdyn>rudepeople: read what dmesg sais about your disk
15:35<en3rgy>valdyn, did i missed something?
15:35<valdyn>en3rgy: no, not really
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15:35<en3rgy>any luck?
15:36<valdyn>en3rgy: mine works fine
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15:36<rudepeople>Gnome, drive has 1 partition (ext2), drive mounts fine under OpenSuSE and winXP (ext2ifs driver)
15:36<valdyn>en3rgy: do you have that log file?
15:36<en3rgy>just a sec..i`ll paste
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15:36<valdyn>en3rgy: omg no
15:36<en3rgy>not here
15:36<valdyn>en3rgy: well, omg no, not here
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15:36<en3rgy>:)
15:36<rudepeople>canalso manually mount the drive as root. I knwo the kerrnel has large partition support
15:36<valdyn>en3rgy: alright
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15:38<valdyn>rudepeople: run gnome-volume-properties, check if "Mount removable drives when hot-plugged" is selected
15:39<valdyn>en3rgy: is nvidia-glx-ia32 installed?
15:39<en3rgy>oh...no
15:39<en3rgy>just the one for 64 bit
15:40<valdyn>en3rgy: ok, that was easy
15:40<en3rgy>thanks alot mate..
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15:40<valdyn>i had to break my installation to see that this program is stupid enough to segfaul when a file is missing
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15:41<valdyn>rudepeople: that did anything?
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15:42<en3rgy>:)
15:42<en3rgy>for me it did..
15:43<valdyn>nice
15:43<valdyn>so IcoNyx had a point in that the driver was not set up properly =
15:43<rudepeople>ok, I guess some more info would help... I have two drives, one 100GB one 1500GB.... both formated the same (prety much) the larger does _not_ mount while the smaller _does_
15:43<en3rgy>by the way,now i need to upgrade my nvidia driver to 180.x
15:44<en3rgy>valdyn, not really
15:44<rudepeople>don't talk to me about nvidia.
15:44<en3rgy>the one from nvidia works fine
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15:44<rudepeople>I KNOW1
15:44<en3rgy>but that gcc line he said..
15:44<en3rgy>that was the problem
15:44<rudepeople>but I got banned for suggesting it
15:44<rudepeople>yeah... whatever.
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15:44<valdyn>rudepeople: did you do what I suggested?
15:44<rudepeople>yes. it is.
15:45<rudepeople>valdyn: mount removable blablabla... is checked
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15:45<valdyn>rudepeople: get some attitude, no one talked to you about nvidia
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15:46<valdyn>en3rgy: 180.29 is in sid, you could grab that manually or do a quick sid/lenny mix ( adding sid sources for the sole purpose of installing nvidia-glx etc )
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15:46<simonrvn>he has attitude already, he doesn't need more ;).
15:47<mpou> /server chania.irc.gr
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15:47<patrikf>rudepeople: paste the output of $ gnome-mount -v -d /dev/[1500G-partition]
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15:47<patrikf>(on a pastebin)
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15:47<rudepeople>please people, I am frusterated enough, I don't need people teasing me as well... especially when the issue they claim I "break" has been resolved all of my PCs for YEARS
15:48<rudepeople>Patrikf: one moment
15:48<valdyn>rudepeople: wed be better off if you didnt use debian
15:48<rudepeople>nice
15:48*weasel hands valdyn a set of ' signs.
15:48<patrikf>rudepeople: you're not the only one wanting help, and you get support for free, so even if your name suggests, don't be rude.
15:48<valdyn>!beer weasel
15:48*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for weasel
15:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 404] by debhelper
15:49<weasel>silly units
15:49<patrikf>"a litre" sounds even worse though
15:50<Pwnaple>r
15:50*goodger pours 400ml of beer for weasel
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15:51<rudepeople>you call me rude... my nick implies the rudeness reflected by others into me. for instance, I try to be helpful to someone and I get banned. just like I'm probably about to get banned now because some mod reads emotion into my text that is not there.
15:51<weasel>rudepeople: whatever the issue, this sort of meta discussion is not on-topic here.
15:51-!-arthurfurlan [~arthurfur@189.34.89.65] has joined #debian
15:51<rudepeople>agree'd
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15:52<valdyn>rudepeople: the fix for the problem you proposed breaking debian was "aptitude install nvidia-glx-ia32", just fyi
15:52<rudepeople>so point me to the moderator whom I can take this up with?
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15:54<rudepeople>@valdyn: I am aware of the "debian way" and I am also aware that for it to work gcc must be altered. there is a whole long process just to get prepaired to use that command. Detailed here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers I can reproduce the same outcome is FAR less steps within moments of login
15:54<rudepeople>also the "break" implied does not exist.
15:54<abrotman>rudepeople: stop messing up people's machines
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15:55<rudepeople>abroman: prove to me it "mess[es] up people's machines"
15:55<rudepeople>documentation.
15:55<abrotman>it's easy ..
15:55<rudepeople>bug report?
15:56<rudepeople>please. let's not forget, I'm running on a machine that has the nvidia driver installed via the nvidia shell script... and I have duplicated this on this laptop, a desktop, a server, and several virtual machines.
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15:57<chealer>rudepeople: "ASSHOLE" is rarely used without emotions
15:57<abrotman>just get help with your broken bits, and please do not break other people's machines
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15:57<chealer>rudepeople: NVIDIA doesn't have an issue tracking system
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15:57<java>l
15:57<rudepeople>chealer: agree'd but then IcoNyx does tend to be somewhat crude at times.
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15:58<rudepeople>I don't want an NVIDIA bug, I want info from debian that discredits their own words.
15:58<en3rgy>oh--oh-- enough.. let`s not forget that in *UNIX worl there are more ways in solving a problem.. and GNU/Linux is derivated from *UNIX world.. so installing a program from it`s source or shell script is allowed..
15:58<rudepeople>thank you.
15:59<rudepeople>it finally has been said.
15:59<chealer>rudepeople: right... being "crude" can be worst than being wrong
15:59<abrotman>and you're still wrong, do not give out those instructions again
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15:59<rudepeople>now why is it that some people insist that there is only one way... the "debian way"
15:59<abrotman>rudepeople: what happens when you upgrade your kernel?
15:59<en3rgy>rudepeople, is not the debian way..
15:59<en3rgy>for me at least
16:00<rudepeople>even when debian themselves have stated that there are several, and that each has listed "benifitts"
16:00<en3rgy>is use 4 distros
16:00<Pitxyoki>rudepeople, if you want help from the Debian people, you will have to do it the "Debian way".
16:00<en3rgy>and free bsd
16:00<en3rgy>and trust me,the debian way is off..
16:00<chealer>rudepeople: there is more than one way. but the NVIDIA way shouldn't be suggested here without warning
16:00<Pitxyoki>If you want to do it the *NIX way, you might have to look for help elsewhere.
16:00<rudepeople>I don't want to help "debian people" because as far as I can see from this encounter, the "debian people" are unkind. why would I want to help them?
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16:01<Pitxyoki>That's the deal: you want help from debian, you do it the debian way. You do it your way, you may not have the help you want
16:01<Pitxyoki>.
16:01<en3rgy>everyone,,hold on.. im sure that rudepeople was trying to be helpfull..now how about some windows users pos-in to this channel and see all this mess?
16:01<en3rgy>they gonna laugh..
16:01<en3rgy>im sure
16:01<abrotman>he was not being helpful .. his instructions were going to break your system
16:01<Pitxyoki>hey
16:01<rudepeople>I mean, I STILL haven't had any kind of useful assistance attempts... I came here for help, I got... laughed at. teased... banned even...
16:01<en3rgy>and they did
16:01<devnullmax>I just clicked some things and I'm here. What's debian?
16:02<en3rgy>but up to a point where i did wrongh
16:02<rudepeople>no... this community is not for me... I'll stick with LQ thank you.
16:02<chealer>rudepeople: that question is offtopic
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16:04<en3rgy>come on you guys,is supposed that the linux community is friendly...
16:04<rudepeople>you know, perhapse if someone were manning the help channel I could just leave all the rudepeople alone.
16:04<en3rgy>every one of us has the right to his oppinion..
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16:05<abrotman>rudepeople: you do have the option to leave ...
16:05<en3rgy>rudepeople, just for knowing.. the directions that you gaved me are correct until a certain point..
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16:05<rudepeople>also, is there an ignore option in irc?
16:05<en3rgy>the .sh script works fine
16:05<en3rgy>but the thing about the gcc
16:05<en3rgy>doesn`t
16:06<en3rgy>depends on your irc client
16:06<avu>there is server side ignore on some networks, but mostly it's a client-feature
16:06*goodger_ observes that rudepeople loses all credibility by not answering the simplest of questions about his unsubstantiated ramblings
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16:07*Maulkin suggests people stay on topic if possible. Thanks!
16:07<avu>take it to #debian-offtopic where I can ridicule you without being off-topic too
16:07<en3rgy>right.. rudepeople did you or not had the intention of messing up my machine?
16:07<rudepeople>en3rgy, yes, yes, I know... but for the gcc issue... the problem is I don't know how to set env variables in the nv installer, the problem is the nv script doesn't know how to look for the proper gcc version and just points to /usr/bin/gcc... which is wrong. this is a comon issue when installing modules like this, I have this issue with several other devices I have inclusing my wifi and Bluetooth dongles.
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16:08<en3rgy>rudepeople, as a matter of fact..it does get along with gcc
16:08<abrotman>en3rgy: please ignore rudepeople ..
16:08-!-goodger_ is now known as goodger
16:08<rudepeople>and, no, It was NOT my intention to break your machine... and as far as I know the gcc alteration doesn't "break" anything but may cause errors if not changed back.
16:08<en3rgy>this is not the point.. im convinced that rudepeople was trying to help
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16:08<en3rgy>therefore i have nothing against him
16:08<abrotman>rudepeople: drop it, please move on
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16:09*rudepeople is ignoring abrotman as he clearly just wants to set him off.
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16:10<en3rgy>and then again...you`re right.. you can break the system only if you are running as root..
16:10<abrotman>just move on already
16:11<Maulkin>rudepeople / en3rgy / abrotman : please set relevent /IGNOREs, thanks.
16:11<goodger>en3rgy: you can't do what you're trying to do without running as root for a lot of the time :(
16:11<atoz-chevara>hi all, how to add The Debian Indionesian Language Packaging Team on Debian?
16:11<en3rgy>goodger, i know.. but real damage to the system is doing something as root..
16:12<en3rgy>atoz-chevara, check the debian.org site
16:12<deniz>can someone tell me how i can make gnash the flash player for iceweasel in lenny please?
16:12<abrotman>deniz: did you install gnash already? update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
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16:13<deniz>abrotman, i did sudo apt-get install gnash mozilla-plugin-gnash but in the addons in iceweasel it had shockwave flash player by default and i disabled it and that doesn't help but i don't know how to remove it and i don't know if that would help
16:13<en3rgy>deniz, what`s wrong with the shockwave flash player?
16:14<chealer>atoz-chevara: what do you mean by "adding a team on debian"?
16:14<abrotman>deniz: you may have to uninstall it
16:14<atoz-chevara>en3rgy, thanks...but we have not yet understood :)
16:14<deniz>en3rgy, there's a lot of things that don't work with it
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16:15<en3rgy>deniz, for me works fine.. some minor problems..but the browser had opened all sites visited until now..
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16:16<en3rgy>atoz-chevara, you would like to add some language doc. onto debian?
16:16<en3rgy>or?
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16:16<deniz>en3rgy, well id like to try gnash otherwise the proprietary adobe version because i need perfect youtube support so that i can watch math class videos to help me with my homework
16:16<atoz-chevara>chealer, thanks chealer...I will read it carefully
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16:17<en3rgy>deniz, for me the youtube site works fine by default..
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16:17<en3rgy>i didn`t need to install anything
16:17<en3rgy>either with epiphany or iceweasel
16:17<deniz>en3rgy, but can i just please know how to remove that addon of iceweasel so i can use gnash or adobe's flash like in ubuntu 8.10?
16:18<en3rgy>did you tried via apt command line?
16:18<rudepeople>ok someone asked me for something pertinent to my little < 1TB hdd issue... what and who was it?
16:19<atoz-chevara>en3rgy, yes...we want to add indonesian language onto debian :)
16:19<deniz>en3rgy, if i tried to remove iceweasel's plugin by using terminal? no i didn't and i wouldn't know how
16:19<en3rgy>atoz-chevara, check(sorry for repeating myself) the debian.org site
16:20<en3rgy>as root apt-get remove [the exact name of the plugin]
16:20<en3rgy>that is if it was installed via aptitude
16:21<en3rgy>if you downloaded it from you web browser as an add-on..
16:21<rudepeople>switched clients... do I have voice?
16:21<atoz-chevara>en3rgy, okey en3rgy, I will read it
16:21<en3rgy>well..i have no ideea
16:21<en3rgy>atoz-chevara, good luck
16:21<goodger>atoz-chevara: dpkg-reconfigure locales as root; enable "id_utf"
16:21<atoz-chevara>en3rgy, :)
16:22<goodger>en3rgy: you do indeed have no idea; languages are distributed as packages in ubuntu, but not in debian
16:22<goodger>to a large extent, at least
16:22<atoz-chevara>goodger, thanks goodger :)
16:22<en3rgy>sorry..is he trying to install that package on his system or to subscribe the lang package onto debian lists?
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16:23<goodger>en3rgy: I _think_ he's trying to install the language in his debian system. it's difficult to tell :(
16:23<en3rgy>oh..
16:23<en3rgy>my mistake then
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16:24<en3rgy>i tought he had created a new lang pack
16:24<goodger>granted, ubuntu's way makes marginally more sense
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16:24<en3rgy>yes and no..
16:25<en3rgy>on some parts it does..
16:25<en3rgy>on the other hand..
16:25<en3rgy>it deosn`t
16:25<en3rgy>doesn`t
16:25<en3rgy>it`s more organized i would say..
16:25<en3rgy>refering to the perositories..
16:26<en3rgy>repos*
16:26<en3rgy>sryy
16:26<en3rgy>im almost drunk
16:26<goodger>well, it allows for a lower package size for application packages
16:26<goodger>it is also more exposed
16:26<en3rgy>it tryes to be desktop frindly...for many users
16:26*Maulkin breaks en3rgy's enter key
16:26<en3rgy>coming from windows environments
16:26<en3rgy>i think
16:27<goodger>you'll never get it that way, Maulkin, you have to use a screwdriver
16:27<en3rgy>Maulkin, im sorry..
16:27<atoz-chevara>i'm from indonesian debian community, and want to contribute in the debian project
16:27<en3rgy>:)
16:28<en3rgy>atoz-chevara, be more explicit please..are you trying to submit a lang package to debian distro or just install one lang package to your system?
16:28<deniz>en3rgy, http://imagebin.org/43478 i dont no the exact name
16:29<en3rgy>i see it.. but i think you gonna need to install it manually..?
16:29<en3rgy>seems that is installed
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16:30<en3rgy>so should work.. and if it doesn`t maybe the version is old?
16:30<deniz>en3rgy, the addon there works but i want to remove it for something else but can you help me remove it (im not saying that what I showed in the pic is what i want - because it does work , just not well)
16:30<abrotman>atoz-chevara: by doing what? programming? bug fixing? translating ?
16:30<en3rgy>regarding to the flash version used by several web sites
16:30<en3rgy>just a sec deniz
16:31<deniz>en3rgy, k
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16:32<atoz-chevara>abrotman, for the initial stage we want to translate first
16:32<en3rgy>deniz, isn't there a fix-broken option in aptitude?
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16:32<abrotman>atoz-chevara: hasn't it already been translated for you ?
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16:33<en3rgy>either way,try sudo dpkg --force-uninstall-reinstreq flashplugin-nonfree
16:33<abrotman>http://i18n.debian.net/wiki/
16:33<abrotman>en3rgy: uh .. why?
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16:34<en3rgy>abrotman, i tought he wants to ger rid of mozilla flash player?!?
16:34<abrotman>he shouldn't have to force it
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16:34<simonrvn>abrotman: this is why: 16:26 < en3rgy> im almost drunk
16:34<deniz>en3rgy, http://pastebin.com/m2abcea27
16:34<en3rgy>lol
16:34<atoz-chevara>abrotman, thanks abrotman :)
16:34<abrotman>atoz-chevara: you're welcome atoz-chevara
16:34<simonrvn>heh
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16:35<en3rgy>deniz, sorry you`re not on ubuntu?
16:35<en3rgy>on debian
16:35<en3rgy>sorry
16:35<en3rgy>my bad..
16:35<abrotman>en3rgy: less enter key ..
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16:36<atoz-chevara>abrotman, thanks...we address this in http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups/Debian-id
16:36*simonrvn wonders why people get drunk and go on irc, it's like drinking and driving
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16:36<abrotman>simonrvn: except more people get hurt on irc
16:36<en3rgy>deniz, try dpkg -l |grep -i flash |awk '{print $2}'
16:37*goodger has the decency to restrict himself to his impending university's anime society channel when drunk
16:37<simonrvn>abrotman: and more people die on the road
16:37<abrotman>simonrvn: i was kidding
16:37<simonrvn>abrotman: you were not
16:37*simonrvn is also kidding
16:37<abrotman>i was!
16:38<simonrvn>abrotman and i like to tease each other, it's fun
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16:38<en3rgy>I would try removing any packaged version of flash (flashplugin-nonfree), and install the per-user version from Adobe (ie. install as a regular user), and see if that works.
16:38<abrotman>you're hurting my feelings!
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16:38<deniz>en3rgy, http://pastebin.com/m246c6474
16:38<en3rgy>0.6-90
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16:39<en3rgy>old version
16:39<abrotman>deniz: updatedb && locate libflashplayer.so
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16:41<deniz>abrotman, deniz@debian:~$ sudo updatedb && locate libflashplayer.so
16:41<deniz>deniz@debian:~$
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16:41<abrotman>deniz: and gnash still doesn't work ?
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16:42<en3rgy>It looks like flashplugin-nonfree (which is from the main debian archive,flashplayer-mozilla is from debian-multimedia) is only in sid so,i would remove both swfdec packages, and then purge and reinstall flashplayer-mozilla, and check that the correct symlinks are created in e.g. [iceape dir]/plugins
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16:42<abrotman>he said he wanted to use gnash
16:43<en3rgy>well i dont know how to to this..im jus offering another solution to his problem by using still the adobe flash player
16:43<deniz>en3rgy, abrotman, well my problem is to remove the addon so that i can try gnash and if that still doesn't suit me i could easily use adobe's proprietary version
16:44<en3rgy>deniz, i dont know ,to be honest,how you can do that..im not an expert.. im sorry..
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16:44<deniz>en3rgy, its ok thanks anyways
16:44<abrotman>deniz: aptitude install gnash .. and then use the command i gave you awhile ago
16:44<goodger>en3rgy: may I suggest you drink some water and go to bed?
16:45<abrotman>deniz: aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash
16:45<en3rgy>goodger, yes,you may :)
16:45<en3rgy>and again,i`m sorry for the trouble i`ve created
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16:47<deniz>abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m2f1bae83 and http://pastebin.com/m5f2fde26
16:47<abrotman>deniz: and if you `update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so` and choose gnash? what happens ?
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16:49<rudepeople>is there a config file somewhere I can edit to modify my gnome menu? the editor is being flacky... I cant add a folder to a submenu.
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16:51<deniz>abrotman, http://pastebin.com/mf82fdcb still has the default flash player addon being the flash player
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16:51<rudepeople>hello?
16:51<abrotman>deniz: did you close all your browsers after doing that ?
16:52<deniz>abrotman, i went on system monitor --> end process firefox (=iceweasel) then i restarted iceweasel and i thot it worked but it was the other flash player (which works for some flash things)
16:52<deniz>so i redisabled it
16:52<dr|z3d>rudepeople: Try gnome-panel --replace
16:52<abrotman>deniz: but did you figure out if it was gnash or not ?
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16:53<dr|z3d>rudepeople: Sometimes it seems the panel needs to restart to reflect changes to the menus, at least in my experience.
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16:53<deniz>abrotman, as soon as i disabled it, it didnt work so it wasnt gnash
16:53<PiklesOnFire>rudepeople, check out /home/USER/.config/menus
16:53<deniz>abrotman, it being the addon
16:53<abrotman>which addon?
16:53<deniz>abrotman, shockwave flash
16:53<abrotman>deniz: you already checked, it's not on your system
16:54<rudepeople>thank you all.
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16:54<PiklesOnFire>rudepeople, yw
16:54<deniz>it is ----------> http://imagebin.org/43478
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16:56<abrotman>deniz: which version of debian is this?
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16:56<deniz>abrotman, lenny
16:57<deniz>abrotman, amd64 if it matters
16:57<abrotman>deniz: about:plugins .. can you paste that ?
16:58<omg_onoez>how can i unrar all the files in the dir, rar archives are with passwords
16:58<omg_onoez>just learning
16:58<omg_onoez>sry for my english
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16:59<petemc>unrar e foo.rar
16:59<deniz>abrotman, it's not plain text and it's too much for a graphical screenshot, how do i send it to u? (i could print it as a pdf but i dont c how i could send that)
16:59<abrotman>nevermind
16:59<abrotman>oh wait ..
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16:59<abrotman>deniz: just copy all the text and put it in paste.debian.net
17:00<deniz>abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/31804/
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17:05<compguy1011>hello all i have a question, kinda off topic but someone may know :)
17:05<Maulkin>!ask
17:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
17:05<compguy1011>anyone know where to find a history of att phones? im trying to find a old one i use to have
17:05<PiklesOnFire>google ;p
17:05<compguy1011>tried, going in circles
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17:06<PiklesOnFire>compguy1011, true, send me a pm and i'll see what i can find for you
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17:08<kunal>hi
17:08<PiklesOnFire>welcom kunal
17:09<kunal>thanks. this is the OFTC server?
17:09<Xenguy>yes
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17:09<kunal>ok. expains why i have myself still online on the other system- its on freenode.
17:10<kunal>btw. how do i check to see if i am using a stable ver. or testing ver?
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17:14<deniz>kunal, lsb_release -a
17:14<kunal>thanks
17:15<deniz>np
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17:15<kunal>deniz: the command isnt working
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17:16<deniz>kunal, what's the output?
17:16<kunal>command not found.
17:17<deniz>ok well try su then gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and check if it says stable or lenny or testing or squeeze or unstable etc
17:17<kunal>ok
17:18<kunal>oh mine is lenny
17:18<kunal>so thats stable rite?
17:18<deniz>kunal, YA
17:18<deniz>ya*
17:18<kunal>thanks. :)
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17:18<deniz>np
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17:21<omg_onoez>hmm how can i unrar all the rar archives in the directory, they all have the same password
17:21<omg_onoez>just learning
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17:24<PiklesOnFire>omg_onoez, that was answered earlier unrar -e file.rar
17:25<omg_onoez>there are several archives
17:25<jrojas>hi.. someone can tell me what command is this? 4. Cargamos el módulo:
17:25<jrojas># ll /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/misc/quickcam.ko
17:25<omg_onoez>i want to do it with one cmd line
17:25<omg_onoez>\=
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17:32<simonrvn>so read up on for or while loops
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17:33<PiklesOnFire>omg_onoez, for i in *.rar ; do unrar -e $i; done
17:34<PiklesOnFire>should do it fer ya, but yes, invest in reading up on for and while loops and get familiar w. bash ;p
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17:36<omg_onoez>PiklesOnFire, for i in *.rar ; do unrar e -ad $i; done not worx
17:36<omg_onoez>:D
17:37<omg_onoez>ERROR: Unknown option:
17:37<omg_onoez>why so
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17:37<omg_onoez>unrar options syntax is correct
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17:39<petemc>-ad
17:39<petemc>thats nto valid
17:39<omg_onoez>it is
17:39<PiklesOnFire>sry, i didn't check the syntax, i just used what the last user posted in a for loop ;p
17:39<omg_onoez>it is switch
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17:39<petemc>not in the unrar i have
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17:39<omg_onoez>mine is 3.80
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17:40<omg_onoez>ad Append archive name to destination path
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17:40<PiklesOnFire>petemc, it is correct syntax, so idk why unrar is throwing up a hissy
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17:40<petemc>hmm, its not in the manpage, but listed when unrar prints its help
17:40<PiklesOnFire>omg_onoez, just try for i in *.rar ; do unrar -ad $i
17:41<omg_onoez>so is unrar by itself is unable to unrar all the archives that situated in same dir with one password, they all have
17:41<omg_onoez>PiklesOnFire, i need e cmd
17:41<omg_onoez>anyway
17:41<omg_onoez>by the syntax
17:41<omg_onoez>i need unrar e -ad
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17:42<omg_onoez>unrar <command> -<switch 1> -<switch N> <archive>
17:42<PiklesOnFire>you're correct the e switch has to be used, try it w.out a -e and just use e?
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17:42<omg_onoez>just a e
17:42<omg_onoez>i checked
17:42<omg_onoez>but -ad
17:42<omg_onoez>cuz e is command
17:42<PiklesOnFire>er, idk then
17:42<omg_onoez>and ad is a switch
17:42<PiklesOnFire>are that .rar files?
17:43<omg_onoez>yes
17:43<omg_onoez>absolutely
17:43<omg_onoez>))
17:43<omg_onoez>lowercase
17:43<omg_onoez>.rar
17:43<omg_onoez>so, no doubt
17:43<PiklesOnFire>hang on...
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17:44<omg_onoez>find ./ -name "*.rar" | while read line; do unrar e -ad $line; done
17:44<omg_onoez>for example
17:44<omg_onoez>says ERROR: Unknown option:
17:44<omg_onoez>too
17:45<PiklesOnFire>what option is it saying is unknown?
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17:45<omg_onoez>PiklesOnFire, it doesn't say what one
17:45<omg_onoez>)))
17:45<omg_onoez>ERROR: Unknown option:
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17:45<omg_onoez>thats all
17:45<omg_onoez>few lines
17:45<omg_onoez>with that string
17:46<valdyn>omg_onoez: unrar e -ad
17:46<omg_onoez>\=
17:46<omg_onoez>so what?
17:46<omg_onoez>i know the syntax
17:47<PiklesOnFire>h.o. a sec, i'm trying to install rar and unrar so i can debug it on my end ;p
17:47<valdyn>omg_onoez: this pipe is ugly, we cant debug it without seeing the files
17:47<valdyn>omg_onoez: like files with spaces
17:48<omg_onoez>yep, they have spaces in their names
17:48<PiklesOnFire>alkdsdfja issue, right there
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17:48<omg_onoez>but
17:48<omg_onoez>we say *.rar
17:48<valdyn>omg_onoez: so that breaks the unrar
17:48<omg_onoez>wtf
17:48<omg_onoez>:D
17:48<omg_onoez>lol
17:48<PiklesOnFire>omes, doesn't matter, you should first rename all the files to _ instead of spaces
17:48<omg_onoez>loool
17:49<valdyn>omg_onoez: put " around $line
17:49<omg_onoez>i will
17:49<omg_onoez>but
17:49<omg_onoez>it is strange
17:49<PiklesOnFire>http://crazytoon.com/2008/08/25/quick-tip-how-do-you-rename-all-files-so-spaces-are-converted-to-underscores/http://crazytoon.com/2008/08/25/quick-tip-how-do-you-rename-all-files-so-spaces-are-converted-to-underscores/
17:49<PiklesOnFire>simple script to do it fer ya
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17:49<PiklesOnFire>well, if you make it do it. lolz
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17:50<omg_onoez>guys, wait
17:50<omg_onoez>but why then...
17:50<omg_onoez>i can unrar single archive
17:50<omg_onoez>with spaces in its name
17:50*PiklesOnFire is away: i need a cigg ;p
17:51<omg_onoez>?
17:51<valdyn>omg_onoez: if you use "
17:51<omg_onoez>if spaces in name brake unrar, as u say
17:51<valdyn>omg_onoez: they dont
17:51<valdyn>omg_onoez: you not escaping the space or using " does
17:51<omg_onoez>oh!
17:51<patrikf>PiklesOnFire: jesus. much simpler: $ rename 'tr/A-Z /a-z_/' *
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17:52<omg_onoez>thank u, guys
17:53<omg_onoez>and sorry for my english and for my weird and kinda stupid question
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18:08<^topo^>ciao
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18:08<^topo^>!list
18:08<dpkg>^topo^: VATTENE VIA
18:09<^topo^>?
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18:09<^topo^>co fatto?
18:10<weasel>!it
18:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:10<^topo^>cè nessuno
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18:15<spc>hey guys.. i have a really really really basic question... i've never had to deal with this before.. how do i change to a directory with a space in terminal (Virtual Machines)
18:16<b1ll>" "
18:16<petemc>tab completing the name will escape the spaces for you
18:17<spc>thanks..
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19:07<EmleyMoor>I hope my laptop is set for "local time" in CMOS - but how do I check?
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19:22<gnewb>whoops
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19:28<Ronaldo38741>Why does Distrowatch say sid has the .29 kernel, when searching for linux-image-686 on sid appears to show only .26?
19:30<weasel>distrowatch is right, whatever you use to search is wrong.
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19:31<weasel>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.29
19:32<Ronaldo38741>I searched for 'linux-image-686', which gives '2.6.26+17'
19:32<ArthurLiu>oh! kbuild is out too!
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19:32<Ronaldo38741>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-686&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all§ion=all
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19:48<linux01>can anyone tell me if netgear ma11 wifi card supports packet injection....? i tried googling it but i cant seem to find anything....
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19:48<linux01>*ma311
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19:51<valdyn>EmleyMoor: cmos knows nothing about local time
19:52*Supaplex tries installing debian to a dell powervault 705n
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19:54<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Sorry about my ambiguity there... I mean "Debian assumes CMOS contains local time"
19:55<weasel>um. what?
19:55<EmleyMoor>(I know it would be normal to use UTC on pure Debian but the laptop dual boots WinXP)
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19:57<EmleyMoor>I would like to check that Debian is set up to assume CMOS contains local time rather that UTC, but am not sure how to tell
19:59<EmleyMoor>than, even
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19:59<EmleyMoor>(most annoying Dvorak typo)
20:00<EmleyMoor>I think I answered "No" to "Does CMOS contain UTC?"
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20:05<PiklesOnFire>haha, sorry about the away notifier thingy, i didn't know it was doin that.
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20:12<Name1ess>Hello all
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20:12<PiklesOnFire>hola Name1ess
20:13<Name1ess>I has a question : I am a (relative) noob to Linux in general, and a complete noob to Xfce. I am trying to make symlinks on my desktop, but an having troubles.
20:13<Name1ess>the symlinks show up in ~/Desktop , but are not displayed on my desktop.
20:14<Name1ess>I did:
20:15<Name1ess>1. console as user
20:15<Name1ess>2. ln -s /usr/bin/xchat ~/Desktop
20:15<Name1ess>the link is there, but I has no icon for it on my workspace.
20:16<petemc> does xfce support desktop icons?
20:16<fmg>this replaced ~/Desktop with the symlink
20:16<Name1ess>should - there are 3 on there now
20:17<petemc>where did you get the idea to create the icons that way?
20:17<Name1ess>trash, home, and file system were there since install
20:17<Name1ess>from another 'nix user on another server
20:17<Name1ess>i tried doing it the Windaids way, but that don't work either
20:18<Name1ess>(right-click, New > Shortcut)
20:18<petemc>does the right click menu mentoin launchers?
20:19<Name1ess>nope, but right-clicking the 'taskbar' does - so I created one there, and it works - but I wanted it on desktop
20:19<PiklesOnFire>what if you drag that icon from the taskbar to the desktop?
20:20<PiklesOnFire>(works in gnome) ;p
20:20<Name1ess>cant
20:20<fmg>is ~/Desktop actually a symlink or a directory?
20:20<PiklesOnFire>fmg, it's a directory, that much i can vouch for :]
20:21<Name1ess>confirmed
20:21<Name1ess>the link I created is THERE, if you use file browser to look
20:21<fmg>ok, try to edit a file inside, as template:
20:21<fmg>$editor ~/Desktop/example.dektop
20:21<Name1ess>wait
20:22<Name1ess>i just dragged the link from file browser to desktop
20:22<Name1ess>it's called "copy of..."
20:22<Name1ess>wtf
20:22<PiklesOnFire>because it's already there (at least in the filesystem)
20:22<PiklesOnFire>just remove the orig, and change the name of that one?
20:23<Name1ess>but the copy displays
20:23<fmg>[Desktop Entry]
20:23<fmg>Comment=Example Xchat
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20:23<fmg>Exec=/usr/bin/xchat
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20:24<fmg>Icon=/path/to/nice-icon.png
20:24<fmg>Name=foo
20:24<fmg>Type=Application
20:25<fmg>that's it so far
20:25<PiklesOnFire>fmg, since you used xchat as the exec maybe a nice name like Xchat would be appropriate ;p (jus teasin)
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20:25<mib_4r127trn>my new car http://www.meine-nackte-ex.net/?uid=89015
20:26<PiklesOnFire>mib_4r127trn, offtopic, and not appropriate for the chat
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20:27<linux01>can anyone tell me if netgear ma311 wifi card supports packet injection....? i tried googling it but i cant seem to find anything....
20:28<fmg>I've got a question, too: postfix lenny with TLS writes ESMTPS into the Received-line, etch does ESMTP only even if logfile confirms TLS to be used. Is this new? Due to strange (selfsigned) certificates?
20:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 392] by debhelper
20:29<PiklesOnFire>fmg, i wish i could answer that, and linux01 no, it does not.
20:29<lore17>Hello, I'm having a problem with my wired network connection. It works immediately after boot but then loses the connection 30-60 seconds from booting. It cant seem to find the router when i run dhclient afterward
20:30<PiklesOnFire>lore17, do you know if the problem persists on other boxes as well? (ie: using same plug, same cord, just different computer)
20:30<Name1ess>fmg - the file foo shows up in filebrowser, but not on my desktop.
20:30<PiklesOnFire>Name1ess, what if you hit F5 on the desktop, does it then show up?
20:30<PiklesOnFire>lore17, and what version of Debian are you using?
20:30<lore17>it doesnt, and i had networking working on the same box the other day with an earlier install
20:30<Name1ess>Pickles FTW
20:30<lore17>lenny
20:31<fmg>I wondered if my etch setup is wrong but same ESMTP is written by FreeBSD. The extra S seems to be happening in lenny only (and should not because smtps ist port 465 AFAIK)
20:31<Name1ess>F5 lol
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20:31<PiklesOnFire>Name1ess, install gamin ;p
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20:31<Name1ess>gamin
20:31<PiklesOnFire>Name1ess, si, it monitors file changes and such and will auto update your desktop (well, it SHOULD)
20:32<Name1ess>Que bueno!
20:32<lore17>PiklesOnFire, when I boot up there is a message saying eth0: using full duplex i think that wasnt there before
20:32<fmg>Name1ess: did you restart X? Or at least new GUI login?
20:32<Name1ess>fmg - F5 showed the symlinks.
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20:32<Name1ess>I never thought of it, since mu Former OS auto-updates the desktop
20:32<PiklesOnFire>lore17, i seem to remember having a problem similar to that in lenny, but i can't recall how i fixed it, and I am now using squeeze, sorry i can't be of more assistance, i'm sure someone here should be able to help you :]
20:33<PiklesOnFire>Name1ess, xfce should too, but i noticed some glitches with fam, replacing with gamin solved it for my Gnome box, might for your xfce :]]
20:33<lore17>PiklesOnFire, hehe, thanks anyway
20:33<PiklesOnFire>lore17, sure thing dewd ;p
20:33<Name1ess>getting gamin ...
20:34<PiklesOnFire>l8r all :]]
20:35<Name1ess>eh . another snag
20:36<Name1ess>starting synaptic, it tells me I need to be root
20:36<Name1ess>but won't ask for p/w
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20:40<Supaplex>Name1ess: if you run id, what's it say? perhaps you intended to login as root, use su, or use sudo
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20:42<Name1ess>Dunno, Supaplex. I only want to run as $, and when I want to do something that needs root, (like install packages) I want to be asked for root password. Barring that, is there a way to unclude su or sudo in the symlink?
20:43<pa>#
20:45<blast_hardcheese>This is really frustrating. I'm trying to install the deluge torrent client under Lenny. 0.5 (apparently) has some serious flaws, 1.x was a complete rewrite, turning the torrenting portion into a daemon and allowing Gui clients to connect to that, which sounds awesome.
20:45<yadddha>hi, im desperate to find a way in standard lenny to shutdown by powerbutton (no additional ENTER or anything (init 0 ,"shutdown -hP now" didnt work)):so pressing powerbutton ->complete shutdown.pleaaase help .
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20:45<blast_hardcheese>apt-show-version -a deluge lists 1.1.5 available in sid,
20:46<blast_hardcheese>aptitude -t sid install deluge reports nothing, aptitude -t unstable install deluge does nothing, aptitude -t unstable install deluge-torrent installs 0.5, which is available in standard lenny.
20:46<blast_hardcheese>I do have unstable in my sources.list
20:47<Supaplex>Name1ess: alias synaptic="sudo synaptic"
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20:58<Name1ess>Supaplex - that would work to launch from terminal, but not for desktop icon. However, I did accidentaly solve it. When clicking on a desktop icon, there is a choice "Desktop>". In this is a menuitem called "Create Launcher" , and as I started typing synaptic, I was offered several choices for the command, one of which is "su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic". This one does just what I need -
20:58<Name1ess>I get prompted for root p/w
21:00<blast_hardcheese>Name1ess: Look into adding a custom allow into /etc/sudoers and set that to NOPASSWD, then create the desktop shortcut with sudo synaptic
21:01<Name1ess>Blast, I would rather have prompt for password each time - I can do enough damage without having someone else able to enter godmode too
21:02<blast_hardcheese>Name1ess: Oh, I apologize. I thought you were trying to get around having to use a password.
21:02<Name1ess>nope - was trying to GET the prompt lol
21:02<Supaplex>blast_hardcheese: now Name1ess gets it. ;)
21:03<Name1ess>indeed
21:03<blast_hardcheese>fair enough
21:03<blast_hardcheese>Supaplex: Any idea on my problem?
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21:04<Supaplex>blast_hardcheese: I'm still running old stable on most of my machines. :P and this networked only nas is kicking my $@*$(
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21:05<blast_hardcheese>It's _VERY_ frustrating that Etch was 0.5.2, now Lenny has been released and deluge is.... still 0.5.2
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21:05<blast_hardcheese>I'm just going to build this from source, I'm tired on waiting on this package maintainer.
21:05<Supaplex>blast_hardcheese: did you try backports?
21:05<blast_hardcheese>Supaplex: yep.
21:06<Supaplex>with uupdate you can usually upgrade from upstream
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21:07<blast_hardcheese>Supaplex: Yeah, but with -t you can usually specify the repo you want to install from.
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21:10<marc_>Hello, Ive been using debian for some time now and the system always been working well but I did an update today and now my sound is not working anymore. Is it an upgrade issue or ive done something wrong?
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21:11<Supaplex>marc_: what release are you on?
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21:12<marc_>5.0 lenny
21:12<marc_>stable
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21:15<marc_>when i'am doing alsaconf if find hda-intel
21:16<marc_>wich is probably my sound card ( i have a dell laptop )
21:16<marc_>and legacy
21:16<Supaplex>so what exactly got updated? kernel? what packages?
21:17<marc_>i don't remember... i havent upgraded for a while
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21:17<marc_>and i got 42mb of upgrade today
21:17*simonrvn would guess alsa-related packages, and they wiped his/her conf or something dumb, by accident
21:17<simonrvn>marc_: /var/log/aptitude /var/log/dpkg.log
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21:19<marc_>i can't find anything related to alsa
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21:20<marc_>gs-common
21:20<marc_>isn't that the volume controler?
21:20<marc_>gstreamer?
21:21<Supaplex>ghostscript I would think
21:21<Supaplex>!info gs-common stable
21:21<dpkg>gs-common: (Common files for different Ghostscript releases), section text, is optional. Version: 0.3.11 (etch), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 400 kB
21:21<marc_>duh
21:22<simonrvn>gs-common has to di with ghostscript
21:22<simonrvn>do*
21:22<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: !info assumes stable is etch (bot).
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21:23<Lance4>hi
21:24<Lance4>I need help
21:24<Supaplex>!tell Lance4 -about ask
21:24<Lance4>-.-
21:24<simonrvn>oh my, should prolly fix that asap...
21:24<Lance4>I WAS typing it
21:24<marc_>while in the gstreamer-properties if i press test i have a "beep"
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21:25<Lance4>anyways every time I type "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" into terminal I get a blank "new file" why
21:26<Lance4>?
21:26<Lance4>and yes I'm using root
21:26<Supaplex>what's ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list show?
21:26<simonrvn>ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
21:26<Supaplex>it shows simonrvn is tEh slow. :) hehe
21:26<simonrvn>hehe
21:27<Lance4>it shows:
21:27<Lance4>debian:/home/lance# ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
21:27<Lance4>ls: cannot access /etc/apt/sources.list: No such file or directory
21:27<marc_>remove the /sources.list
21:27<Lance4>I'm scared now
21:27<marc_>it's a file.. not a directory
21:28<Lance4>ok
21:28<marc_>but nano /etc/apt/sources.list should definately exist..
21:28<Lance4>whats that pasting sites again?
21:28<Lance4>*he
21:28<Supaplex>!paste
21:28<Lance4>*the
21:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:29<marc_>nice feature
21:29<marc_>but it isn't giving my sound back
21:29<Lance4>http://paste.debian.net/31810/
21:29<Lance4>everythings there
21:31<Lance4>oh and I haven't been able to update or check for updates for about an hour now
21:31<Supaplex>looks like it got deleted. /msg dpkg about <sources.list> and <mirrors>. (each, w/o the <> parts)
21:31<Lance4>O.O
21:32<marc_>he could use the sources.list~
21:32<marc_>no?
21:32<Lance4>I had some other lines that I added in
21:32<Supaplex>marc_: it's 0 bytes
21:32<Lance4>that I DO NOT remember
21:32<marc_>duh
21:32<Supaplex>Lance4: well, start with what dpkg suggests and go from there.
21:33-!-marc_ is now known as MarcA
21:33<Lance4>all I know is one was from playonlinux, one had sid in it, and one was from wine
21:33<MarcA>anyone got an idea for my sound problem?
21:34<Lance4>the others where the default lines but with "main contrib non-free" at the ends
21:34<Lance4>I belive
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21:35<sunshine>hi
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21:36<sunshine>what'x that?
21:36<sunshine>anybody herE?
21:36<Supaplex>no, not even you sunshine
21:36<Lance4>dose anyone know what the sid line could have been?
21:36<MarcA>"No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found" when trying to open the GStreamer volume control.. but when using the gstreamer-properties i can acutally hear the test sound
21:36<sunshine>right
21:36<Lance4>I know by looking
21:36<sunshine>guys
21:36<Lance4>*seeing the line
21:36<sunshine>can I ask u guys a question?
21:37<MarcA>sure
21:37<sunshine>got some issues with Amule
21:37<sunshine>anybody can help me out?
21:37<MarcA>not using..
21:37<simonrvn>MarcA: the test is probably going to your pc speaker... what does dmesg say about your audio device? how about syslog?
21:37<Supaplex>simonrvn: can you be more specific?
21:37<Supaplex>simonrvn: nm that.
21:37<sunshine>guys, what exactly is this chat?
21:38<Supaplex>sunshine: can you be more specific?
21:38<sunshine>ok
21:38<simonrvn>Supaplex: it's called irc, and you're in a support channel.
21:38<Supaplex>debian support via irc is what this chat is.
21:38<simonrvn>Supaplex: woops :)
21:38<sunshine>installed all the package
21:38<Supaplex>simonrvn: tit for tat. hehe
21:38<simonrvn>sunshine: ^^^
21:38<simonrvn>heeheehee
21:38<sunshine>then trying to connect to servers
21:38<sunshine>but doesnt get any
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21:39<sunshine>what cn i do?
21:39<MarcA>I can't find anything related to "audio, alsa, sound" and I don't see anything revelant in the dmesg list
21:39<simonrvn>how 'bout /var/log/dmesg ?
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21:41<MarcA>nothing in /log/dmesg or /log/syslog
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21:41<MarcA>looking for the words "audio,alsa,sound"
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21:42<Lance4>I think I can fix the sources.list but... what are the CD ROM lines again?
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21:43<Lance4>the lines that tell linux what are the install disks
21:43<sunshine>GUYS
21:43<sunshine>anybody can help me out?
21:43<sunshine>plz
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21:45<deniz>does anyone here use compiz on lenny?
21:45*Lance4 thinks he should back-up the sources.list file to a sd card or something
21:46<sunshine>anyone use AMULE peer-to-peer?
21:47<sunshine>PLEASE GUYSSSSSSS
21:47<MarcA>have you looked at the amule website?
21:47<MarcA>maybe there's something...
21:48<sunshine>yes I did
21:48<sunshine>couldnt find anything
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21:50<Supaplex>when people act like a 5 year old I give up
21:50<MarcA>lol
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21:52<Lance4>MarcA what do I copy?
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21:54<InkBottle>when compiling ocropus on amd64 I get: /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `./../ext/lua/liblua.a(lapi.o)' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output
21:55<InkBottle>any idea about how to solve that?
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21:55<MarcA>!info libgs8
21:55<MarcA>!info libgs8 stable
21:55<dpkg>libgs8: (The Ghostscript PostScript/PDF interpreter Library), section libs, is optional. Version: 8.64~dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2236 kB, Installed size: 6696 kB
21:56<MarcA>!info libglib2.0-0 stable
21:56<dpkg>libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.12.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 492 kB, Installed size: 1084 kB
21:57<Lance4>MarcA: I pm you somemore questions
21:57<Lance4>*pmed
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21:57<Lance4>what ever
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22:04<MarcA>no one have an idea about my sound problem?
22:04<MarcA>only happened since the last upgrade
22:04<Supaplex>MarcA: ask dpkg about asla and follow the breadcrumbs.
22:04<MarcA>?
22:05<MarcA>how?
22:05<Supaplex> /msg dpkg alsa
22:06<MarcA>"/msg" ??
22:06<Supaplex>it's an irc command
22:06<Supaplex>!alsa
22:06<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>. #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
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22:07<MarcA>..
22:07<MarcA>suh
22:07<MarcA>duh
22:08<Lance4>anyways g2g
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22:09<MarcA>i can see my sound card with lspci !!
22:10<MarcA>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
22:10<MarcA>!!!
22:10<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
22:10<nx>/about/linux
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22:30<vignesh>Hi gues
22:30<vignesh>guys*
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22:31<vignesh>is there an easy way to add shortcuts to the xfce panel, instead of manually creating a shortcut and typing in the command name, icon etc..
22:31<vignesh>just drag and drop from the xfce menu ?
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22:32<jstein>hi, how can i merge two dir with similar structure to one dir?
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22:58<kierah>evening all
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22:59<kierah>whats the name of the package that contains g++?
22:59<En3rgY>try installing build-essential
22:59<En3rgY>it should install also gcc and g++ as dep.
23:00<kierah>thanks!
23:00<deniz>is compiz buggy or is there a way i can use lenny's compiz to add effects to my computer without having my configured theme change?
23:02<En3rgY>what do you mean?
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23:04<deniz>En3rgY, in lenny wen i go on terminal and type "compiz" i get either a) no effects b) effects but it changes my theme from h20ridium to the default lenny installation theme)
23:05<En3rgY>did you installed the compizfusion-settings-manager?
23:05<En3rgY>and plugins main extra and unsupported?
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23:06<En3rgY>better yet.. add this line to sources: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
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23:07<deniz>En3rgY, compizconfig-settings-manager?
23:07<En3rgY>yes
23:07<En3rgY>add the line i just wroted
23:07<deniz>En3rgY, im installing it now
23:07<En3rgY>and then wget http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/A42A6CF5.gpg -O- | apt-key add -
23:07<deniz>En3rgY, y cant i use things in normal repositories?
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23:08<En3rgY>because i dont think you will find so many modules like in the repo i just gave you..
23:08<deniz>En3rgY, wat command do i use to enable compiz effects?
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23:08<En3rgY>and to be honest with you,i think compiz is buggy. did change the theme for me also
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23:09<En3rgY>and you dont use commands
23:09<En3rgY>just install the compizfusion-settings-manager
23:09<deniz>En3rgY, i installed compizconfig-settings-manager compizfusion-settings-manager doesn't exist
23:09<En3rgY>the run the cf-settings-manager
23:09<En3rgY>and change /select your options there
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23:10<En3rgY>that`s the one,i appologise..my mistake
23:10<deniz>En3rgY, what command do i use to tell apt to apt-get install everything apt-cache search finds?
23:10<deniz>like apt-get install apt-cache search compiz fusion doesn't work
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23:12<En3rgY>deniz, what is it you`re trying to get done more exactly?
23:13<deniz>En3rgY, i want to get compiz running from lenny's repositories
23:13<En3rgY>aptitude search compiz
23:13<En3rgY>see the results and install whatever you like
23:14<En3rgY>that is if you added the lenny repos of course
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23:19<En3rgY>deniz, http://paste.debian.net/31813/ those are the packages available..
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23:19<DesertFox>hello guys, I have a question
23:19<DesertFox>if anyone is here to help :)
23:20<En3rgY>go ahead DesertFox
23:20<DesertFox>ok thanks, here's the situation
23:20<deniz>En3rgY, so which of those do i need?
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23:20<deniz>En3rgY, u can tell me the pastebin numbers only
23:20<En3rgY>depends.. if you are running kde or gnome
23:20<DesertFox>I have Lenny up as a gui server
23:20<deniz>En3rgY, gnome
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23:21<En3rgY>try apt-get install compiz it will install the basic packages followed by their dependencies
23:21<DesertFox>and I install squirrelmail, works on domain.com/webmail
23:21<DesertFox>but on webmail.domain.com i get horde mail instead, which i never installed
23:22<En3rgY>after that remains to your chice for extra
23:22<DesertFox>is this prepackaged?
23:22<En3rgY>DesertFox, the horde mail?
23:22<DesertFox>yes
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23:22<En3rgY>well,i guess the best way to find that is via aptitude
23:23<DesertFox>I have bad experiences with removing things via apt under ubuntu servers, it tends to delete the system file/gdm if it's attached to that someway
23:23<En3rgY>i see horde-sam ,horde3 and pear-horde-channel
23:23<En3rgY>3 packages
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23:24<DesertFox>ok
23:24<DesertFox>ill try deleting that
23:24<En3rgY>Horde Framework
23:25<DesertFox>hmm...it's not coming up to be removed
23:25<DesertFox>i tried "apt-get autoremove horde3" under root, nada
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23:25<deniz>En3rgY, i already did apt-get install compiz a long time ago
23:26<En3rgY>apt-get remove horde
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23:27<En3rgY>deniz aptitude search compiz.. do that and after paste the result and post the link
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23:27<DesertFox>it's not installed it says
23:28<En3rgY>it means that horde* is not installed on your system
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23:28<DesertFox>how can that be when it clearly comes up on my server?
23:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 378] by debhelper
23:29<En3rgY>just 1 sec..
23:29<deniz>En3rgY, http://pastebin.com/m2432806e
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23:34<jeffrey>help
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23:35<DesertFox>what's your problem?
23:36<jeffrey>Sorry, I'm getting used to irssi.
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23:37<en3rgy_>deniz, run in terminal as root aptitude search compiz
23:37-!-En3rgY [en3rgy@host1-68-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:37<en3rgy_>then paste
23:37<deniz>en3rgy_, why root?
23:38<jeffrey>no need to be root
23:38<jeffrey>And you can use "aptitude show compiz"
23:38<en3rgy_>ok..no need but run that command
23:38<deniz>en3rgy_, i already posted the result for that
23:38<en3rgy_>no
23:38<en3rgy_>you did apt-chace
23:39<en3rgy_>cache*
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23:39<en3rgy_>DesertFox, yes..i get an login page on that adress
23:40<en3rgy_>and it is horde
23:40<Xenguy>Hi - I just upgraded from etch to lenny and all went fairly smoothly. My resolution stayed the same, but the refresh rate went down to 50Hz or so. I tried a few tweaks, but nothing seemed to work, and then I tried switching the video driver from 'nvidia' to 'nv', and strangely, my refresh rate was now back to 85Hz, which is around what it was with the nvidia driver in Etch. I guess I'm just wondering why the 'nividia' driver downgraded the refresh
23:40<deniz>jeffrey, http://pastebin.com/m54c673d1
23:40<deniz>en3rgy_, http://pastebin.com/m7ab7050d
23:41<en3rgy_>deniz, install 5,6,7,8,13
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23:41<DesertFox>en3rgy, that was irony, i was giving an example not my real domain, but here is mine
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23:42<DesertFox>http://webmail.donotwant.co.nr and the squirrelmail one is http://www.donotwant.co.nr/webmail
23:42<DesertFox>i have no idea why horde is there but it is
23:43<deniz>en3rgy_, and then i do sudo compiz?
23:43<en3rgy_>deniz, did you install the packages>?
23:43<deniz>en3rgy_, am now
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23:44<en3rgy_>install those packages,then go to system -> Preferences ->CompizConfig settings manager.. choose your options then run compiz
23:45<DesertFox>en3rgy_, in your best opinion, should I stay with horde or squirrelmail at this point? I have no need for both
23:45<en3rgy_>DesertFox, you have two different domains there
23:45<DesertFox>right, but it's the same box
23:45<en3rgy_>to be honest,i dont know.. i never used either of them
23:46<en3rgy_>choose one that you like and know better
23:46<DesertFox>I clean installed lenny, installed squirrelmail soon after
23:46<DesertFox>and found the horde crept in there, I just want to know how to remove it
23:46<DesertFox>Since I can't do it apt style
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23:47<DesertFox>or Synaptic style either, I checked the machine and nothing was checked off
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23:47<en3rgy_>DesertFox, aptitude search horde -> after that paste the result and give link
23:47<DesertFox>ok
23:47<DesertFox>p horde-sam - spam module for Horde Framework
23:47<DesertFox>p horde3 - horde web application framework
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23:48<en3rgy_>there you go,it isn`t installed.. though i was reffering to paste it somewhere else.. :)
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23:50<DesertFox>well I know it's not installed, I'm just confused as to why it shows up on my server since it was never installed
23:51<en3rgy_>you posted two domains earlier
23:51<DesertFox>ok let me start over :)
23:51<en3rgy_>the first one is hosting horde.. you own that domain?
23:52<DesertFox>that was a mistake, just I meant something like webmail.exampledomain.com
23:52<DesertFox>here is my actual domain
23:52<DesertFox>webmail.donotwant.co.nr
23:52<DesertFox>and the second is donotwant.co.nr/webmail
23:52<DesertFox>the first shows horde
23:53<DesertFox>which isn't installed but comes up anyways
23:53<en3rgy_>correct
23:53<DesertFox>the second is squirrelmail
23:53<DesertFox>which I installed
23:53<DesertFox>I'm trying to remove horde, but like I showed you, it says it's not installed
23:53<en3rgy_>i think that you should talk with the admin of that domain
23:54<DesertFox>I am the admin
23:54<DesertFox>it's a test server, my own project
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23:55<en3rgy_>DesertFox, did you bought that domain?
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23:55<DesertFox>yes, it's a free domain
23:55<en3rgy_>hosted by?
23:55<DesertFox>freedomain.co.nr
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23:55<en3rgy_>talk with the admin of freedomain.co.nr
23:56<en3rgy_>on theirs servers is installed the horde
23:56<DesertFox>is it possible that it's conflicted?
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23:56<en3rgy_>could be
23:56<DesertFox>OH I see now
23:56<DesertFox>I didn't think that was possible though...
23:57<en3rgy_>deniz, any luck yet?
23:57<DesertFox>so in actuality, the webmail.donotwant.co.nr is another domain?
23:58<en3rgy_>no..is the same domain..maybe is just redirecting to another one
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23:58<en3rgy_>it uses php?
23:58<DesertFox>i see, ok thank you very much for clearing that up for me
23:58<DesertFox>my server?
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23:59<DesertFox>my server does use php
23:59-!-deniz [~deniz@209-161-210-55.dsl.look.ca] has joined #debian
23:59<en3rgy_>check for index.php
23:59<deniz>en3rgy_, no luck anyways i need to study ill deal with this later
23:59<en3rgy_>on the horde domain
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