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00:00<en3rgy_>ok deniz .. im gonna catch some winks.. is 6 am here
00:00<en3rgy_>didn`t slept all night
00:00<deniz>en3rgy_, k goodnight
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00:11<sun>hi i want to install xmms on testing, but i can't find it, and xmms2 doesnt have a simple gui like xmms.. is the original xmms still available?
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00:14<Perfect>hi all
00:14<Perfect>good morning
00:14<Perfect>i am planning to download via bittorrent
00:14<Perfect>but i am amazed that there are actually 5 dvds
00:15<Perfect>is it enough 4 me to download just the first dvd iso image
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00:17<Perfect>and where can find information about the contents of dvds
00:17<Perfect>please help me
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00:19<dr|z3d>Perfect: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
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00:21<sun>hi whats a lightweight audio player like xmms that can play flac on testing?
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00:25<chealer>sun: not from current Debian releases, non
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00:26<sun>chealer why did they get rid of xmms? its great, plays everything!
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00:31<Xenguy>sun: looks like there's a xmms2 in lenny?
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00:32<sun>xenguy yes but xmms2 is very different from what i can tell... there's a client and a server !?
00:33<Xenguy>sun: hrm, so I wonder what a former xmms person is supposed to use (I just upgraded to lenny myself)
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00:39<Xenguy>sun: some googling says 'audacious - small and fast audio player which supports lots of formats' might be worth a look
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00:45<Xenguy>1/b
00:45<Xenguy>nm
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00:47<Leandro_>oi
00:47<Xenguy>iao
00:48<Leandro_>to só testando essa jóssa
00:48<Leandro_>pra ver do q se trata ^^
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00:55<sun>xenguy just installed audacious, its quite nice, and seems very fast, which is important for me.. thanks!
00:58<Xenguy>sun: me too - you're welcome :-)
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01:00<sun>xenguy are you in brasil
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01:05<chuy_max>hey guys, is it theoretically possible to expand/shrink an ext3fs partition, or is there no conceivable way to make it possible using ext3fs?
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01:06<gsimmons>chuy_max: resize2fs can shrink and enlarge ext3 filesystems.
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01:08<pester>can i search for packaged with a certain string in their description instead of their name?
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01:10<pester>...with aptitude?
01:10<gsimmons>pester: Yes.
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01:17<pester>gsimmons: ...?
01:18<gsimmons>!yesno
01:18<dpkg>i guess yesno is Only ask a question that can be answered with "yes" or "no" if you really want "yes" or "no" as the answer. If you don't want "yes" or "no" as the answer, _ask a different question_. See also http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html
01:18<gsimmons>pester: aptitude search ~dfoo
01:21<pester>gsimmons: thx
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01:55<snake>Hello
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01:56<snake>I need help
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02:25<rudepeople>anyone have any idea what would cause debian to be able to be able to mount a partition below 1001GB (1TB) but not over?
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02:31<Tara>hi, i had a question... i just downloaded/installed Debian... now, the question is, is version 5 of Debian, the latest? or is there a newer one yet?
02:31<llutz>it's the last stable release
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02:32<Tara>does it have many updates?
02:32<llutz>unlikely, only security-updates
02:33<Tara>so i should get a pretty good uptime then
02:33<Tara>right?
02:33<deniz>llutz, only security updates means no updates for things like compiz?
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02:35<Tara>the site i got mine from, is
02:35<Tara>http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/download-debian-5-cd-dvd-iso.html
02:36<Tara>that's the latest, right?
02:36<llutz>why not using debian-mirrors? but yes, should be latest (lenny)
02:37<Tara>ok, it was the only way i could download it, i couldn't figure out BitTorrent
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02:38<deniz>llutz, debian stable having only security updates means no minor bug updates such as compiz?
02:38<llutz>deniz: www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable
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02:39<deniz>llutz, ok so the only way to fix compiz and other gui glitches is to file them while the release is experimental, sid or testing?
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02:40<QPrime>Tara: try to use official mirrors only or bittorrent with official .torrent files from the debian mirrors. at least check the iso integrity if you download from an unaffiliated site with the md5 hashes from the Debian site. I know that might sound a little confusing, but if you do some reading it will help to protect you.
02:40<llutz>easiest way is not to use that pointless crap :)
02:41<llutz>deniz: ^^ but yes, you'll need other repos for updates
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02:42<deniz>llutz, so i should give up on trying to get a maintainer/developper to fix minor annoying bugs?
02:42<Tara>the site that i posted, is an official site?
02:43<llutz>deniz: better ask people using compiz etc
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02:44<QPrime>Tara: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list <-- if its not on the list, its not an official mirror.
02:45<Tara>ok
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02:46<QPrime>Tara: This links on the site you posted at least appear to point to the official debian mirror... so its quite likely ok. But be careful where you download from ;)
02:46<QPrime>this=the
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02:48<Tara>ahh
02:48<Tara>thanks
02:48<Tara>i usually am pretty careful where i download from
02:49<QPrime>Tara: np - stay safe (and know exactly where those files are coming from)
02:49<Tara>yes
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02:55<compguy1011>hello room, is there a aim client for linux that looks like ichat?
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02:56<QPrime>bbiab
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03:03<Tara>when i installed Debian, i thought there would be updates and such to run, but i didn't see any i had to run.. is this because i was hooked up to my home network and installed software i may have been missing from one of Debian's mirrors?
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03:07<compguy1011>what are the packages i need to install to get some eye candy in debian?
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03:12<donald>hello?
03:12<donald>someone here?
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03:12<donald>hmmmm... seems no one is here.
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03:12<donald>is anybody out there?
03:13<donald>i got some questions to ask.
03:13<gsimmons>!ask
03:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
03:13<donald>thank you
03:13<donald>thank you very much
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03:15<donald> i have problem with mounting an ntfs partition during startup with ntfs-3g but when i try mount it after start it mount just fine. Why is it like that?
03:16<donald>im running debian lenny
03:17*simonrvn guess bad fstab entry
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03:20<donald>im sure my fstab does not have bad entries in it. i even tried disk manager to configure it but still the problem exist.
03:21<donald>although when i mount the partition as read only it mounts just fine.
03:22<simonrvn>let's see that one line in your fstab for fun
03:22<QPrime>donald: where is the mount target, and who owns it?
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03:24<donald>my ntfs partitions are on /dev/hda2 and /dev/hda5 and i mount them to /media/hda2 and /media/hd5
03:25<donald>let me post fstab. just wait for a minute
03:26<compguy1011>u know how on aim u can change ur sn from like compguy to COMPGUY, how do u do that on pidgin?
03:26<QPrime>donald: just post the relevant lines.
03:27<donald>here it is : /dev/hda2 /media/hda2 ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 and /dev/hda5 /media/hda5 ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
03:29<QPrime>simonrvn: you wanna continue with this one? I need to reboot again shortly.
03:29<donald>the problem is only on the startup but when i mount it manually via a terminal in gnome it works fine.
03:30<donald>going somewhere? ok you can go. thnx
03:30<QPrime>donald: check owner and group permissions on /media/hda2 and media/hda5
03:31<donald>ok, i will look
03:31<QPrime>donald: I'll need to reboot in about 3 mins. till then, I'm here.
03:31<donald>root owns it
03:31<donald>both of them
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03:32<simonrvn>mine's similar
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03:33<QPrime>and when you do a mount -a does it mount?
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03:33<simonrvn>mine mounts at boot fine ;)
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03:33<donald>i can see a message during startup saying ntfs-3g is an unknown filesystem. could it be that ntfs-3g was not loaded?
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03:34<simonrvn>could very well be yes
03:34<donald>it was not like this before
03:34<simonrvn>*now* you tell us
03:34<simonrvn>;)
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03:34<donald>how can fix this?
03:34<simonrvn>you loading fuse at boot?
03:34<simonrvn>got the fuse-utils stuff installed?
03:35<donald>that what i dont know
03:35<donald>i think i just installed it.
03:35<QPrime>Grrr... ;)
03:35<simonrvn>that would help ;)
03:36<QPrime>ok, gotta poke this machine... bbiab (again)
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03:36<Lance4>hi
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03:36<donald>fuse-utils is already installed a long time ago.
03:37<Lance4>my debian box is showing signs of a possible meltdown, what do I do?
03:37<donald>im gonna try restarting again if it works now.
03:38<donald>run. hehe (joke only). What do you mean by possible meltdown? Like a nuclear meltdown?
03:38<Lance4>no, my updating system is really messed up
03:39<Lance4>things are not getting updated when it should
03:39<Lance4>not showing updates that are there
03:39<donald>why? Seems i have that problem a long time ago.
03:40<donald>i reinstalled debian. When i had that kind problem. It was big bother though.
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03:41<Lance4>well a few hours ago I saw that my /etc/apt/sources.list got deleted by a unknown problem
03:41-!-donald [~donald@softbank219170170001.bbtec.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:41<Lance4>or unknown resion
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03:41<Lance4>*reson
03:41<nEtZaRiM>Shalom to all
03:41<nEtZaRiM>Is any up this late?
03:41<simonrvn>reason
03:41<simonrvn>nope
03:41<Lance4>ty
03:41<Lance4>?
03:42<Lance4>well whatever
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03:42<nEtZaRiM>I could use some help if possbile
03:42<Lance4>anyways my system is really wacky on the update end
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03:42<nEtZaRiM>Having trouble with "playing cd's" I notice that it "skips bout every 16 sec consistently?
03:43<simonrvn>one hand typing sucks - eating atm
03:43<nEtZaRiM>Boot back into windows and play perfect....makes no sense
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03:43<nEtZaRiM>I've noticed it on all distros I've tried
03:43<nEtZaRiM>Any tips?
03:44<simonrvn>odd
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03:45<nEtZaRiM>Could it be possible that it's because the "music files" need "winbloze" like a "wav or wma"?
03:45<simonrvn>no, since playing those isn't restricted to winblows
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03:47<nEtZaRiM>Really annoying
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03:47<nEtZaRiM>Wish I could find the "fix"
03:47<Lance4>which is better? screwing around with the system updaters(like apt-get, aptitude, update manager, etc.) until it works OR writing down every big thing I installed(desktop eviroments, flash and java non-free, etc.)?
03:47-!-marius is now known as Marius
03:47<Marius>hi
03:47<Lance4>and starting over?\
03:47<nEtZaRiM>Wondering if it's just toshiba laptop specific
03:48<nEtZaRiM>Well I was blessed as I just finished installing this time and man Install was "Lovely" It even grabbed "Synaptic" this time
03:48<Marius>folks, please help, the stupid question: how can i install flash plugin in Debian?
03:48<nEtZaRiM>All the time I tried before it would NOT grab it
03:49<simonrvn>nEtZaRiM: even if, that wouldn't make sense anyway. now *that's* possible, could also be some daemon, or your fs, or such. watch top while playing one and see.
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03:49<Marius>marius-laptop1:/home/marius# apt-cache search flash*plug
03:49<Marius>flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound - Adobe Flash Player platform support library for Esound and OSS
03:49<Marius>marius-laptop1:/home/marius#
03:49<Marius>is that it?
03:49<simonrvn>Lance4: fix sources.list would be simpler
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03:50<simonrvn>Marius: don't paste here, thanks
03:50<nEtZaRiM>What "Top" are you refeering too?
03:50<Marius>ok
03:50<Marius>but could you answer my question? :)
03:50<simonrvn>the top in psmisc, of course
03:50<Lance4>simonrvn: I tried fixing sources.list all ready
03:51<simonrvn>!tell Marius -about non-free
03:51<simonrvn>!tell Marius -about dmm
03:51<donald>mounting my ntfs partition during startup as read/write mode does not work but read mode only it just works just fine. What seems to be wrong?
03:51<Lance4>so now what?
03:51<Marius>thanks
03:52<donald>How can i fix this problem?
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03:52<simonrvn>donald: what debian version are you using ATM?
03:53<simonrvn>Lance4: yes i know, but did you manage to recover it?
03:53<Lance4>no
03:53<Lance4>btw how do I recover it??
03:53<compguy1011>youtube videos and all flash videos all lag and dont look good reg size or maxed out, i have nvidia drivers installed, is there a fix?
03:53<donald>what`s ATM? I`m still new to the Linux scene.
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03:54<Lance4>all I did was retyped the lines that were needed
03:54<donald>im using debian lenny stable
03:54<simonrvn>!atm
03:54<dpkg>i heard atm is (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. or 'at the moment' or someplace to pickup some cash for a $1.50.
03:55<simonrvn>the 2nd to last ;) ^^^
03:55<Marius>heh, I'm new to the Debian scene :) used Fedora for few years and now have decided to change
03:55<simonrvn>that's not debian-specific either ;)
03:55<donald>how do i know if i have ATM installed?
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03:55<simonrvn>"at the moment"
03:56<Marius>btw, how "Debian" in English must be pronounced?
03:56<simonrvn>Lance4: if you have something like reiserfs, xfs, jfs, ext3 there it's gone.
03:56<Marius>Daebian or Deebian?
03:56<Lance4>how do I know?
03:57<simonrvn>it's a mushing together of two names, Debra/Debbie, and Ian.
03:57<donald>It`s They beyond.
03:57<simonrvn>so, Deb-ian
03:57<nEtZaRiM>I think it's Deb-ian
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03:57<donald>No, its They-Beyond.
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03:57<simonrvn>short e
03:57<simonrvn>donald: what?
03:58<Marius>ok, just interesting because english isn't my first language and i didn't have anough practice for a long time
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03:58<donald>Its pronounced as They-beyond.
03:58<simonrvn>compguy1011: installed doesn't necessarily mean configured, too.
03:58<simonrvn>donald: whatever
03:59<nEtZaRiM>I truly believe "Debian is KING" of the distro's
03:59<nEtZaRiM>;)
03:59<donald>What`s whit this ATM thingy? Is it the source of my problem?
03:59<simonrvn>compguy1011: glxinfo | grep -i direct
03:59<Marius>so it must be pronounced debeean or debaian?
03:59<donald>All hail Debian!
03:59<simonrvn>deb-eein
03:59<Lance4>simonrvn: \question how would I know and why would I have: reiserfs, xfs, jfs, ext3?
03:59<donald>All hail They-beyond!
03:59<gsimmons>Marius: See section 1.7 of the Debian FAQ.
03:59<Marius>ok
04:00<Marius>rtfm :)
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04:00<donald>What does ATM do?
04:00<simonrvn>Lance4: `mount`
04:00<nEtZaRiM>I chose ext3 but it seems like supposively that reiserfs is the best
04:00<simonrvn>donald: you can quit the trolling dude.
04:00<Lance4>ok
04:00<simonrvn>it is not, if you value your data.
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04:00<nEtZaRiM>Choose ext3
04:00<Lance4>can't find
04:00<Lance4>ext3
04:00<nEtZaRiM>If you don't now though it's set to that as "default"
04:01<donald>can i see it the add/remove applications feature in gnome?
04:01<simonrvn>*plonk*
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04:02<donald>is there a solution to my problem on ntfs-3g read/write mode not loading?
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04:03<Lance4>ok I tried mounting reiserfs, xfs, jfs, and ext3 and the terminal says it can't find them in /etc/fstab OR /etc/mtab
04:03<compguy1011>simonrvn, direct rendering: Yes
04:04<Lance4>what now??
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04:05<simonrvn>compguy1011: ok, so it's probably a badly sync video. flash uses a lot of cpu resources. you can't get it like an avi or mov or wmv.
04:05<simonrvn>Lance4: what are you doing?
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04:05<Lance4>what do you mean??
04:06<simonrvn>why are you trying to mount it?
04:06<Lance4>??
04:06<donald>an ntfs partition
04:06<Lance4><simonrvn> Lance4: `mount`
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04:06<compguy1011>simonrvn, just youtube, any youtube video does it
04:06<nEtZaRiM>Well everyone after a successful install of Debian 5.0 Lenny Stable.....I believe I'm going to have to crash now.....Just sucks I have to boot back into the "Winbloze" partition to listen to this cd while sleeping ;(
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04:07<compguy1011>or any online video that is flash
04:07<nEtZaRiM>Any tips before I go......If not it looks like I got a lot of "Configuring to learn and troubleshooting".
04:07<nEtZaRiM>?
04:08<donald>im mounting my ntfs partition in read/write mode via ntfs-3g at startup but it says that ntfs-3g is an unknown file system.
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04:08<donald>what the hell is wrong with it?
04:09<nx_>msg nEtZaRim go to debian-multimedia.org
04:09<nEtZaRiM>Appreciate it nx
04:10<Marius>f*ck, who made the translation of Debian manual in russian? i could make it much better
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04:14<Marius>can i join the debian project as a translator?
04:14<nEtZaRiM>Yeah
04:14<nEtZaRiM>I'm sure they would love you to
04:14<Marius>how?
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05:00<pipitone>hello
05:00<pipitone>!list
05:00<dpkg>pipitone: VATTENE VIA
05:00<fxiny>HAHAAHAHAHA
05:00<pipitone>come funzione?
05:01<fxiny>pipitone: grab the warez-cchina (bleach) somewhere else :P
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05:08<petern_>bah
05:08<petern_>my boss has a knack for buying usb flash keys that ... don't work in linux :/
05:09<fxiny>made in china ?
05:09<petern_>i have no idea
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05:13<edu>ciao
05:13<edu>!list
05:13<dpkg>edu: VATTENE VIA
05:13<fxiny>hahaahahah
05:13<fxiny>!banana smite edu
05:13<fxiny>heheheeh
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05:25<mark_>any one there for chat
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05:27<poney>lu
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05:28<poney>salut
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05:46<freddie> /msg OvF|A|Avalokitesvara XDCC SEND #24
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05:48<simonrvn>!ops freddie router exploit
05:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: freddie router exploit
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05:49<zobel>i am still to slow for things like that...
05:50<simonrvn>thank you
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05:51<stuckey>Hello. Has anyone here loaded an entire OS onto an uncompressed ramdisk(to system ram)? I was reading about this on fourms.debian.net and thought I might try it.
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06:01<fxiny>same "list" people ?
06:01<fxiny>simonrvn: ^^
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06:02<simonrvn>fxiny: sorta
06:03<fxiny>one is still here
06:03<fxiny>banana secret service :P
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06:04<weasel>fxiny: that worked well
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06:04<fxiny>weasel: :)
06:04<simonrvn>hello weasel, what's up
06:05<weasel>a quark?
06:05<simonrvn>hehe, my usual is "the sky"
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06:13<deqc>wath spider solitaire = linux?
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06:24<eric>hey does anyone here know of a host for kpackage i the us? I should have wrote them down when i installed debain but I didnt and i can vagily remember a ftp://us.debian.org package host. anyone have a clue?
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06:38<zumbi>eric: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
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06:43<stuckey>How can I tell what's on a CDROM---I mean, if it's blank or if there's stuff on it?
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06:55<fran>olle
06:56<fran>hellooo
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06:56<fran>viva españa
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06:56<fran>e
06:56<fran>eeeeeee
06:56<fran>eee
06:57<fran>gnewb
06:57<fran>¿?
06:57<gnewb>Hello
06:57<fran>ello
06:58<fran> you use ubuntu¿?
06:58<gnewb>I am very new to Linux, I use to do UNIX, then something bad happened and I forgot everything that I once knew.
06:59<gnewb>I use to use Ubuntu. I still find it interesting,
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06:59<guancc686>hello
06:59<gnewb>I prefer gNewSense to Ubuntu now
06:59<guancc686>really
07:00<guancc686>where are you from
07:00<guancc686>please
07:00<gnewb>I really like Lenny, I am from Florida
07:00<guancc686>speaking
07:00<fran>mi from i spain
07:01<guancc686>nice to meet you
07:01<gnewb>Hola!
07:01<fran>ola
07:01<fran>saves españñol
07:01<gnewb>mi comprende MUI paquitoe
07:01<guancc686>I come from China
07:02<fran>wow
07:02<gnewb>I have been to Spain, I have been very near China
07:02<guancc686>Oh
07:02<guancc686>nice to meet you
07:03<guancc686>Are you student
07:03<guancc686>Spain is very nice
07:04<fran>yes
07:04<gnewb>I was on an island called Diego Garcia, it is in the Indian Ocean, those people listened to radio stations in China.
07:04<guancc686>Thanks
07:04<gnewb>I am disable retired, but I still sail.
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07:05<fran> save as anyone can repair the wifi in ubuntu
07:05<gnewb>dpkg quit! oh my
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07:05<gnewb>Oh, ok
07:06<gsimmons>!tell fran -about ubuntu
07:06<gnewb>fran: What version Ubuntu?
07:06<fran>kubuntu
07:06<gnewb>6,7,8,9?
07:06<weasel>#debian-offtopic might be a better place for your discussion.
07:06<guancc686>kubuntu
07:06<weasel>#debian probably is not.
07:07<gnewb>True,
07:07<guancc686>8
07:07<guancc686>why some soft is not use
07:08<gnewb>My apologies, I figured debian help is debian help. guancc686, please /join #debian-offtopic
07:08<guancc686>ok
07:08<guancc686>thanks
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07:11<christoph>which exact Kernel config do I need to set for iotop?
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07:13<fran> Where can I download drivers for kubuntu?
07:14<jrodger>evening all.....techie q:---> what is the debian equiv of iptables in RH?
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07:15<weasel>!ubuntu
07:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:16<weasel>jrodger: iptables.
07:16<jrodger>weasel: where is it? I have looked in /etc/init.d????
07:17<weasel>in /sbin. where else would iptables be?
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07:17<jrodger>sorry - doing my LPI and they are teaching RH and I use Debian as a preference.
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07:18<bastiaan>hi
07:18<gnewb>http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/ref-guide/ch-iptables.html <<there
07:19<bastiaan>some people here using linux-vserver with ipv6 ?
07:19<gnewb>They also call them chains
07:19<bastiaan>(on lenny)
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07:19<fran>someone here knows Spanish PEAKING
07:19<fran>¿?
07:20<weasel>gnewb: ipchains is not the same as iptables.
07:21<gnewb>weasel: Ok, thank you, that is what that site said about RH 8
07:21<weasel>no it did not.
07:21<jrodger>gnewb: I have the book here but in the RH server iptables is in /etc/init.d
07:21<fran>viva españa
07:22<fran>viva españa
07:22<fran>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:22<EmleyMoor>!es
07:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:22<gnewb>no si habla
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07:23<fran>anyone heard of lliurex PEAKING
07:24<fran>¿?
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07:24<fran>eric
07:24<eric>yup
07:25<fran>¡?
07:25<eric>j
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07:25<fran>viva españa
07:25<fran>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
07:25<dpkg>1
07:25<weasel>fran: start writing proper sentences. the enter key is not a substitution for punctuation. similarly, punctuation on a line by itself is usually not useful. try to keep the noise down if you don't have anything useful to say.
07:25<fran>oleoleole
07:25<eric>if j=o; j<266; ++j but how do I print every possible combiation of color
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07:26<eric>no
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07:26<weasel>fran: and, last not least, go to a spanish speaking channel if it's a language problem.
07:26<eric>woops
07:26<eric>:P
07:26<eric>wait a minute
07:26<eric>k?
07:26<eric>l.
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07:27*eric smiles politly
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07:27*weasel smiles too.
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07:27<datak>mornong.. I am making a new fresh lenny install; Apache-PHP-Mysql-PHPMyadmin (synaptic); but I am not able to login to phpmyadmin (nor Mysql)..
07:27<fran>soy español asta la muerta
07:27<fran>yupi
07:28-!-mode/#debian [+q fran!*@*] by weasel
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07:28<datak>ERROR:"server not responding or socket is not configured properly"
07:29-!-mode/#debian [-q eric!*@*] by weasel
07:29<datak>arriba españa con goma2
07:29<datak>:(
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07:32<frank>datak: is the socket file available?
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07:33<djc>Did you install mysql-server? is it running?
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07:34<francis>ola
07:34<francis>helo
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07:35<francis>arriba españa
07:35<djc>!es
07:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:35<francis>mikest
07:35<francis>Mikest
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07:36<krugozor>hi all
07:36-!-mode/#debian [-q fran!*@*] by weasel
07:36<krugozor>русские есть ?
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07:36<djc>!ru
07:36<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
07:36<krugozor>senx
07:37<djc>Русскоязычные, пожалуйста, используйте #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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07:37<sunshine>hello
07:38<sunshine>anyone here?
07:38<djc>nope
07:38<sunshine>haha
07:38<krugozor>ye
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07:38<sunshine>guys
07:38<sunshine>got some issue
07:38<sunshine>with Amule........
07:38<sunshine>anyone uses it?
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07:39<krugozor>тщ
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07:40<gsimmons>sunshine: Just go ahead and describe your issue.
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07:41-!-mode/#debian [-qqqq soulier-jean-patrick_!*@* cinzia!*@* leo!*@* *?weasel!*@*] by weasel
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07:41<sunshine>installed all the peckage--
07:41-!-mode/#debian [+n] by ChanServ, debhelper
07:41<@weasel>*sigh*
07:41<fxiny>wt4x ?
07:41<sunshine>then, added some servers: 5 from NL
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07:41<sunshine>1from SE and 1 from FR
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07:42<fxiny>turks spammageddon ?
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07:42<sunshine>then, tryied to connect; but does not get in any
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07:42<djc>Have you read http://www.amule.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Started
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07:42<sunshine>read some documents
07:43<djc>have you read *that* document
07:43<sunshine>not this one
07:43<sunshine>ok
07:43<sunshine>tnx
07:43<sunshine>appreciate
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07:43<djc>linked from http://www.amule.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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07:43<djc>wtf
07:43<sunshine>tnx
07:43<djc>is up with chanserv?
07:43<fxiny>f* bananas
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07:43*weasel cleaning up.
07:44<djc>I see.. seems.. redundant to remove the same ban 30 times
07:44<@weasel>that's probably a bug somewhere in services
07:44<@weasel>it didn't remove all the bans either
07:44<djc>ah
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07:45<fxiny>yeahhh
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08:18<nero>hey
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08:23<omg_onoez>how can i check fragmentation degree on my ntfs partition
08:23<omg_onoez>?
08:24<omg_onoez>and if it is high, can i defragment it somehow?
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08:25<lothar>Hi all!
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08:26<lothar>Does anyone know something about Hydrogen (a drum sequencer) ?
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08:30<newbie>hi! I'm having problems with a intel GMA 500. I need xserver-xorg-driver-psb but it isn't in debian, I try to install the ubuntu package but didn't work. Any way to install drivers for the intel?
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08:37<djc>omg_onoez, I assume you have a dualboot/windows system if you have an ntfs partition. I'd let windows take care of it.
08:38<djc>If you dont have windows, there is no good reason to use ntfs
08:38<djc>!tell lothar about asking
08:38<datak>sunny mornings; question: if I set http_proxy to tor (or anon-proxy:4001 or whatever), then ALL console programs go through it ? ( nmap, telnet, ftp...too??)
08:38<djc>newbie, what did you come up with on a google search?
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08:39<omg_onoez>djc, it's not my hdd
08:39<omg_onoez>i just thoght
08:39<omg_onoez>is there some way to do it
08:39<djc>omg_onoez, all the more reason not to mess with it. whover owns it, let *them* mantain it
08:39<omg_onoez>sry for my english btw
08:39<djc>datak, anything that reocgnize that setting, sure
08:40<newbie>djc, I've searching in google, but find a lot of doc to ubuntu with private drivers System -> Administration -> hardware but nothing to debian
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08:40<omg_onoez>let's say u just never thought on how to do it and u don't want to
08:40<djc>note that it isnt 'drivers' you are looking for, but an x-server
08:40<omg_onoez>)))
08:40<djc>omg_onoez, lets just say that maintaining a microsoft priprietary fs from linux is a bad idea, especially if its on a drive you dont own
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08:41<datak>djc: not depending on protocol (TCP/UDP) or port it uses ?? so i can nmap my server at work with no manacing phone calls from some directive...;)
08:41<omg_onoez>i just ineterested if i can do it or not
08:41<omg_onoez>nothing more and nothing less
08:42<djc>datak, i would say only http calls would go through it
08:42<omg_onoez>and u are starting to talk about your points of view on microsoft
08:42<omg_onoez>lol
08:42<christoph>which exact Kernel config do I need to set for iotop? I tried to figure it out but iotop still complains about not having accounting support ...
08:42<djc>from software that understood that setting that was making http requests
08:43<djc>omg_onoez, my position on microsoft is irrelevant. the point is, the best means of doing maintenance on an MS-designed filesystem is using MS-provided tools on an MS OS
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08:43<datak>djc: I supposed so for the name of the app ;) .... anyway I can tunnel it , right?
08:44<djc>you'd need to set up an IP tunnel.. pptp or something similar
08:44<newbie>djc, I've searched for the xserver-xorg-driver-psb it isn't?
08:44<omg_onoez>i don't care of your position on microsoft... just asked if i can do it on my pc
08:44<djc>newbie, hang on
08:44<djc>omg_onoez, dunno, try google. I wouldnt recommend it
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08:45<newbie>djc, sorry, I can't understand the expression "hang on"
08:45<djc>you can rephrase your question and/or criticize my response all you want, it isnt going to change my response
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08:45<djc>newbie, i meant wait a moment, i'm looking for information
08:45<newbie>ok djc thanks ;)
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08:47<djc>newbie, gma 500 or gma 4500?
08:49<newbie>djc, gma500 it's a dell mini 12, the problem of the intel gma500 is that it isn't a intel graphics card, it's sell by intel, but make but another (I don't remember the name). The people say that I need del Poulsbo driver
08:49<newbie>s/del/the
08:50<djc>so far it looks like that isnt really maintained.. is this a laptop/onboard or a replaceable card?
08:50<djc>but if it existed, it would be xorg-video-psb.. not 'driver'
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08:52<djc>but regardless, you may have a hard time finding a board-specific driver for it.. if you just need basic video, the vesa or svga servers should work
08:52<newbie>at the moment, it isn't maintained, since the kernel 2.6.24
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08:52<newbie>djc, I don't like acceleration or something similar, but i need a good resolution 1280x800 and I can't get it
08:52<djc>X servers arent connected to the kernel
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08:53<djc>it isnt a 'driver'.. its an X server
08:53<djc>you might be out of luck, unless you can install a different video card
08:54<newbie>the dell mini 12 is sellign with ubuntu, but I like to install debian
08:54<newbie>so... the gma500 must work
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08:55<djc>you might be out of luck, unless you can install a different video card
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08:55<djc>or want to try finding the psb xorg server source and cudgeling it together yourself
08:56<djc>im still trying various searches on google., but finding less and less
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08:59<djc>its even showing as 'deprecated' in xf86..
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09:00<kierah>anyone know what package contains opengl headers and lib?
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09:00<fran>HELLO
09:01<fran>abli
09:01<fran>adama
09:01<superjet_busy>kierah: apt-cache search opengl dev
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09:01<djc>!en
09:01<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
09:02<kierah>superjet: sweet, ty
09:02<djc>superjet_busy, looks like that finds packages the depend on those too, i get like 40 items listed with that
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09:03<djc>weasel, oh heh.. my late
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09:04<superjet_busy>djc: what's your want to install?
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09:06<djc>superjet_busy, it was kierah asking
09:06<djc>i was trying to answer my searching in synaptic
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09:07<djc>saw your answer, tested it
09:07<djc>*my/by
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09:08<superjet_busy>djc: maybe he just need install nvidia-glx-dev similiar things
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09:13<superjet_busy>kierah: have you installed freeglut3-dev?
09:13<pelons>hi all, I'm looking for the kernel image with openvz for 486 ... but I can't find it. Can anyone help me please?
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09:23<ravenbird>ROOOOOOOT has landed!
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10:09<lothar>Hi, I have a problem with kernel timer resolution. Some docs state that I have to compile the kernel with different settings. Is that true nowadays (Debian Lenny on PPC Mac mini)?
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10:14<djc>docs for what say that?
10:14<djc>what are you trying to run?
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10:15<yuehankang>有人在吗
10:15<djc>!en
10:15<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
10:16<yuehankang>怎么没有人用汉语啊
10:16<djc>!en
10:16<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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10:17<stew>!zh
10:17<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
10:17<andy>hi
10:17<dr|z3d>Too late, he left already.
10:18<andy>can you speak chinese?
10:18<dr|z3d>-> #debian-zh
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10:20<nas>guys how do i limit the password retry to say 3?
10:21<nas>coz my pamldap implementation prompts for password 9 times
10:21<nas>wrong password retry*
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10:21<djc>prompts where? console login? ssh login? pop3?
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10:22<nas>ssh
10:22<nas>ssh login
10:22<djc>thats something you'd configure in sshd
10:22<fxiny>nas: edit common-password in /etc/pam.d
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10:23<fxiny>ssh ?
10:24<nas>yup ssh
10:24<nas>so in common-password yeah
10:24<nas>?
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10:26<serre>h
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10:26<msdn>hello everyone
10:26<udo>hi there
10:27<msdn>i'am is new linux user
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10:27<msdn>hiweed linux is very good
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10:28<djc>and is apparently a variation of ubuntu
10:28<msdn>大家好阿
10:28<msdn>这边有中国人吗
10:28<djc>not much help for either ubuntu or its variants here, this is #debian
10:29<azeem>!cn
10:29<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
10:29<fxiny>free tibet
10:29<fxiny>;)
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10:30<djc>fxiny, ooh mean
10:30<djc>Maybe that should be in the /topi
10:30<djc>/topic
10:30<azeem>fxiny: please keep it on topic
10:30<fxiny>azeem: ok
10:31<djc>the question is, did he quit himself, or did the great firewall of china see that string and RSET his connection
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10:34<fxiny>djc: dunno , but i could not resist :)
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10:39<_Wesley>good afternoon
10:39<_Wesley>I'm having some resolve issue's (I think) things seem to be loading slow. using our own nameserver; tcpdump reveals the following: [bad udp cksum 9636!] 28393+ A?
10:39<_Wesley>what are these bad idp cksums?
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10:40<en3rgy>udp = user datagram protocol
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10:41<_Wesley>Hehe, I know what UDP is
10:41<_Wesley>I'm just wondering why this server is getting BAD udp cksum's
10:41<en3rgy>is something about ACK
10:41<_Wesley>where my other servers are not
10:41<_Wesley>it can't have anything to do with ipv6 ?
10:42<en3rgy>if the connection between client -> server is based on udp
10:42<en3rgy>the server needs to receive ACK
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10:42<en3rgy>from client and then transmite another one to the client
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10:43<en3rgy>either the server or client doesn`t give ack
10:43<djc>that doesnt make any sense.. lack of an ack wouldnt cause a checksum error
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10:44<djc>sounds like someone is quoting from a recently taking ip networking course, where they teach you lots of theory but nothing about the real world
10:45<_Wesley>It's a fresh installed lenny server, but resolving is slow. so I went checking the dns requests
10:45<Il>exit
10:45<djc>what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf
10:45<_Wesley>normal in debian I would disable ipv6, but does anyone know if in lenny ipv6 is disabled by default?
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10:45<_Wesley>I have our own DNS server there
10:45<djc>pastebin what you have there
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10:46<_Wesley>nameserver <ip>
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10:47<cahoot>k
10:49<_Wesley>better question then; how do I disable ipv6 in lenny?
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10:50<BlackJackNick>gnome-keyring libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libcurl3 libgail-common libgail18 libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common
10:50<BlackJackNick> libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libkrb53 libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds2.0-cil
10:50<BlackJackNick> libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil
10:50<BlackJackNick> libmono-system-web1.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libnotify1
10:50<BlackJackNick> libpam-modules libpq5 libsmbclient libwnck22 libx11-6 libxcb-render0 libxcb1 mono-common mono-gac mono-gmcs mono-jit
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10:50<BlackJackNick>help please
10:50<djc>!tell BlackJackNick about asking
10:51<dr|z3d>BlackJackNick: Just spamming the channel like that isn't any sort of question.
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10:51<prahal>BlackJackNick: use #flood or pastebin for the details though ask a question first
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11:02<sunoano>copy/paste with pinentry seems not to work ... What do I do in case I have a very long GnuPG passphrase which I would preferable copy/paste from a file into pinentry? Can I feed this passphrase to gpg-agent in any other way than using pinentry?
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11:03<djc>If your passphrase is so long as to make typing it inconvenient, it defeats the point of a passphrase
11:03<djc>The point of a passphrase is that it is *not* recorded in a file anywhere, but only in your head
11:04<djc>you might as well have no passphrase, and protect the private key file in the same manner that you are protecting the file that the passphrase is in
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11:05<sunoano>the file containing the passphrase is encrypted using gpg --symmetric
11:05<djc>and that is protected with what?
11:05<djc>er
11:06<djc>encrypted with what key?
11:06<Gathond>so essentially protect the password with a password?
11:06<djc>presumably not the same key that it is the passphrase for?
11:06<sunoano>this file contains tons of passwords and user account date etc.
11:06<sunoano>it is then protected by a passphrase
11:07<djc>sounds like you've got too many levels
11:07<djc>the poing of a private key passphrase is that its not something you need to store in a file - its something you can remember and type in from memory
11:07<sunoano>well, the pw protecting this file is short and I do remember it ... those pw's in the file are very long and I don't remember them
11:08<djc>If you are saving it in a file protected by something else that you trust, then you might as well have something short
11:08<djc>then you might as well just use the short password in the first place
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11:08<sunoano>well, ok, back to my initial question, there is no way to copy/paste something to pinentry?
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11:08<sunoano>or maybe directly to gpg-agent?
11:09<djc>having a high security lock with a complex secure key, and then storing that key in a $5 sheet metal safe with a cheap lock is kinda pointless
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11:09<djc>or storing it in a safe with a combination of '1'2'3
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11:09<djc>weakest link and all that
11:09<sunoano>yes, it's a customer setup so ...
11:09<sunoano>I didn't come up with this stuff
11:10<djc>if its your gpg key then you decide what the passphrase on it is
11:11<djc>if its not your gpg key then why are you using it? shared gpg keys are bad - each person that should have access generates their own key, and sumits the public key to be added to the access control
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11:12<sunoano>I am doing a migration which I am paid for; again, I didn't come up with all that stuff ... I just have to deal with it now
11:12<djc>from what i found on google about pinentry, its whole point is to enforce secure entry of passphrases/pins.. eg, no copy paste
11:12<sunoano>my questoin was about pinentry and copy/paste
11:12<bad>hello, woh can i get my modem sony ericsson md 300 work in debian 5
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11:13<djc>bad, modem? or cellphone?
11:13<djc>or cellmodem?
11:13<bad>actually i m connected with under ubuntu 8.10
11:14<azeem>that's not the answer to the question
11:14<djc>1. this is #debian, not #ubuntu. 2. google finds: http://fixunix.com/debian/551675-md300-usb-wireless-modem.html
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11:15<bad>ok , i'll see
11:15<djc>oh.. wait.. you are trying to switch from ubuntu to debian?
11:15<djc>yeah.. either way go check that out
11:16<djc>if that doesnt help, google some more
11:16<bad>i will install debian
11:16<djc>sunoano, you are either being bad too much or not enough
11:16<djc>er
11:16<djc>paid
11:17<bad>i xilll explain how i can get working my modem in ubuntu and i ask for other way
11:18<bad>i had to add a rules in /etc/udev/rules and configure wvdial
11:18<bad>but if there are an other solution to do
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11:25<euz100>I'm getting checksum mistach with packages linux-image.2.6.29-1-amd64
11:26<euz100>and linux-sources.2.6.29-1
11:26<djc>im not showing any 2.6.29 in my repos
11:26<djc>lenny
11:26<euz100>it's sid
11:27<euz100>debian-5.0.0 to sid
11:27<djc>ah
11:27<euz100>other sid packages I installed work fine
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11:27<Maulkin>Try a different mirror
11:27<euz100>I tried different mirrors already
11:28<djc>then maybe the package is borked..
11:28<euz100>both source and binary?
11:28<djc>maybe it was updated and the cksum wasnt
11:28<euz100>aw
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11:29<euz100>and debian-5.0.0 DVD1 won't detect my ATI SB600 IDE adapater(chipset)
11:29<euz100>so I installed to a pendrive, in hopes of getting new kernel
11:29<euz100>none of the 2.6.26 kernels work with the SB600 IDE
11:29<euz100>SATA works fine though
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11:32<euz100>it was working with really aged x86 install, don't remember kernel though
11:33<euz100>oh, it was 2.6.26-1, the only one with ATI catalyst compiled modules
11:33<euz100>yet it doesn't with neither 2.6.26-1 nor 2.6.26-2 AMD64
11:35<sunoano>djc: http://sunoano.pastebin.com/d7236640b did the trick i.e. now I can copy/paste into the ncurses interface ... works even from within Emacs with kill/yank of the passphrase
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11:36<euz100>is it worth using amd64 binaries nowadays?
11:36<euz100>way back when I tried, it was horrible...
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11:56<cahoot>and when was way back?
11:57<euz100>5-6 years :)
11:58<cahoot>if you have huge ram and don't lust for flash why not?
11:58<euz100>only 2gb - 128 for gfx, I think
11:59<euz100>why, it doesn't work well with ssds?
11:59<cahoot>in that case I doubt you'll see any benefit
12:00<euz100>or you mean adobe?
12:00<cahoot>think youtube
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12:00<euz100>aw
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12:01<euz100>I rarely youtube
12:01<euz100>sometimes I use need flash though...
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12:07<d5-ro>Hi all o\ 
12:07<euz100>no way to get flash working with wine or something?
12:08<abrotman>flash works on linux mostly
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12:09<euz100>I mean on AMD64
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12:14<Arcalyth>Hi #debian, I'm having issues with my wireless and NetworkManager. I can manually connect to wireless networks but NetworkManager fails when it tries to use DHCP saying NetworkManager: <info> Old device 'wlan0' activating, won't change. ifup also gives me and error that says Can't allocate interface wllease { interface . What should I do?
12:15<azeem>Arcalyth: what do you mean with manually connect?
12:15<euz100>perhaps it's a permission problem arcalyth
12:16<Arcalyth>azeem: using iwconfig and iwlist
12:16<euz100>you're sudoing something, and afterwards it fails at the user level
12:16<Arcalyth>euz100: I haven't changed anything though... it just randomly stopped working. What files should I be looking at permissions for though?
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12:17<euz100>uhh, is what I described what's happening?
12:18<Arcalyth>euz100: I'm sudoing NetworkManager and ifup
12:18<euz100>does the NetworkManager ask for root's pass?
12:18<Arcalyth>nope
12:19<azeem>Arcalyth: does running dhclient manually work?
12:19<Arcalyth>NetworkManager usually starts at boot, and I can use eth0 with it just fine.
12:19<Arcalyth>azeem: Yes.
12:19<azeem>Arcalyth: so pastebin the full output of ifup
12:19<Arcalyth>ok
12:19<euz100>have your tried different gui managers?
12:20<euz100>you^^
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12:20<Arcalyth>azeem: http://arcalyth.pastebin.com/d1911f07b
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12:20<Arcalyth>euz100: I used to use wifi-radar way back when, but NetworkManager was a lot more convenient, so I switched to it.
12:21<Arcalyth>Just a few days ago, it just stopped working, and I'm not sure of anything I changed that would do that. I don't even recall changing anything.
12:21<azeem>Arcalyth: also pastebin the content of /etc/network/interfaces
12:21<euz100>I'll let azeem help you, he knows what he's talking about :)
12:22<euz100>sometimes the driver just plain sucks, there's nothing you can do about it...
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12:22<Arcalyth>azeem: http://arcalyth.pastebin.com/d35497131
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12:23<euz100>I had some decent wifi connectivity experiences way back when
12:23<euz100>it think it was all configured though console
12:23<azeem>Arcalyth: and the output of dhclient wlanß0?
12:23<azeem>wlan0*
12:23<euz100>link was stable though, roof antenna
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12:25<Arcalyth>azeem: http://arcalyth.pastebin.com/d4cfaf617
12:25<Arcalyth>azeem: I'm on the computer that has the issues right now, so I can't connect to the wireless to let you see that it will get an IP address when I do that.
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12:26<euz100>I would recommend static ip btw
12:26<euz100>and a openwrt router :)
12:26<Arcalyth>euz100: I could do that. I have "static DHCP" on my router, lol. but not an actual static IP configured.
12:27<euz100>using openwrt router as client
12:27<azeem>Arcalyth: /W 31
12:27<azeem>oops
12:27<Arcalyth>euz100: I want a new router, my D-Link DI-524 is crap. Plus I want to take advantage of my fancy 802.11n card :D
12:27<azeem>nevermind
12:27<euz100>I personally hate wifi cards
12:28<euz100>recepy for headache
12:28<Arcalyth>Prefer usb?
12:28<euz100>no, I prefer using router as client
12:28<Arcalyth>no idea what you're talking about =)
12:28<euz100>heh
12:28<euz100>openwrt is a opensource firmware
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12:29<euz100>so it connect to the other router for you, and you plug into the router using ethernet
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12:29<euz100>of course I never had a decent wifi card
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12:29<euz100>like orinoco, avaya
12:29<Arcalyth>euz100 but how can you use wireless without a wifi card/usb wifi adapter? I like being able to move around my house :P
12:30<Arcalyth>azeem: I tried googling the wllease { error, but it didn't turn up anything...
12:30<euz100>long ethernet cable hanging from the ceiling :)
12:30<azeem>Arcalyth: can you reproduce it?
12:30<Arcalyth>azeem: every time I do ifup wlan0, it does that
12:31<euz100>heh, arcalyth, it is possible to get it working well enough
12:31<euz100>just telling you sometimes the wifi card just blows, and then it's a constant headache
12:31<euz100>or driver blows, or both...
12:31<Arcalyth>euz100 dunno, works on windows =/ and the driver only just now is giving me issues after 2 months =/
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12:32<euz100>it worked on linux for 2 months without issue?
12:32<Arcalyth>euz100: yeah. never broke on windows.
12:32<Arcalyth>but I rarely use windows.
12:32<euz100>I'm talking about linux
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12:32<euz100>different driver, you know?
12:32<Arcalyth>yeah. just now broke on linux =(
12:32<Arcalyth>using iwlagn for the driver.
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12:38<euz100>download a liveCD
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12:38<euz100>and see if problems persist
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12:39<Arcalyth>can't. iwlagn requires microcode to be installed or it's completely unusable
12:40<euz100>liveCDs don't come with microcode?
12:40<Arcalyth>dunno
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12:42<euz100>perhaps you can run XEN or minixp with vmware
12:42<euz100>and network that way :)
12:42<euz100>anyways, good luck
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12:43<Arcalyth>azeem: any other suggestions?
12:44<azeem>not much
12:44<Arcalyth>blarg.
12:44<azeem>ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 doesn't help either?
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12:44<Arcalyth>ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured
12:44<azeem>it's unclear what the issue is if dhclient manually work, but via ifupdown doesn't
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12:48<davius>hi! what is the command to create an ascii file without entering any text into it?
12:48<cahoot>isn't it also surprising that network-manager 'works' although wlan0 is listed in interfaces?
12:48<enouf>ls /sys/class/net
12:48<llutz>davius: touch foo.bar
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12:48<enouf>also try ifconfig <iface> up
12:49<davius>thnx llutz
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12:50<davius>how do i create a non-empty directory from shell?
12:51<davius>i'm sorry. i wanted to delete it.
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12:51<patrikf>rm -r, but be sure you don't accidentally delete something
12:51<azeem>davius: eh?
12:51<azeem>create?
12:51<azeem>oh
12:51<davius>azeem: lol!!
12:51<davius>azeep: thnx anyway.
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12:52<davius>azeem: thnx anyway.
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12:53<thehardman>hi. how can I tell what kernel module a device uses?
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12:54<euz100>lsmod
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12:54<thehardman>thats not very helpful
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12:55<euz100>I usually just guess which one, check the switches :)
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12:55<azeem>thehardman: find the device under /sys, there is usually (I think) a file with the module name in it
12:55<thehardman>ok thanks.
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12:56<euz100>sometimes you can see module name in dmesg too
12:57<thehardman>USB ACM device is it is.
12:57<thehardman>is what I see in dmesg
12:57<thehardman>but whats wierd is its a pcmcia device
12:58<euz100>did you check lsmod switches?
12:58<euz100>perhaps you can get device id
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12:58<euz100>or perhaps lspci/lsusb switches
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13:00<thehardman>lsmod doest have switches
13:00<thehardman>ok will try those .
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13:01<euz100>interesting...
13:01<euz100>check /sys like the other guy said
13:01<thehardman>I got a device id.
13:01<euz100>module+device id?
13:02<euz100>or just device id?
13:02<thehardman>nope just device id. can I use the device id to find it under /sys
13:02<euz100>no idea :)
13:02<thehardman>lsusb showed it to me
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13:02<euz100>there is the written device ID and number device ID
13:02<euz100>the number is usually more important
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13:03<euz100>very good for google searches btw
13:04<euz100>windows uses the same number in drivers too, a little different though
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13:04<davius>how do i initialise a variable in shell script?
13:05<Arcalyth><cahoot> isn't it also surprising that network-manager 'works' although wlan0 is listed in interfaces?
13:05<Arcalyth>err?
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13:06<chahibi>Anyone successfully using fop in a non graphical system?
13:06<cahoot>Arcalyth: yes - at least earlier it was said you had to comment out every interface but 'lo' if you wnated to use n-m
13:06<chahibi>Is there some way to install X without actually having a graphics card?
13:06<chahibi>a virtual server
13:06<Arcalyth>cahoot: interesting.. I'll try that, although eth0 works just fine.
13:06<euz100>chahibi, is there a null drivers?
13:07<davius>how do i initialise a variable in shell script?
13:07<euz100>checks the drivers, perhaps...
13:07<chahibi>euz100, no, there isn't
13:08<chahibi>euz100, fop generates pdfs from xml/fo files
13:08<chahibi>euz100, but it requires a graphical system
13:08<chahibi>at least in the debian "free" version
13:08<cahoot>davius: looks like you want the bash script howto
13:08<euz100>chahibi, I never succesfully got X to work over SSH
13:09<thehardman>found it.
13:09<thehardman>its in sys in the uevent file. thanks guys
13:09<euz100>but I don't think you need X running on the machine in guestion
13:09<chahibi>euz100, you need -Y or -X option
13:09<chahibi>euz100, and that the server enables X tunelling
13:09<euz100>it passed commands to X on the remote machine
13:10<enouf>you need an xclient on one atleast
13:10<euz100>well, chahibi
13:10<euz100>what about vmware?
13:11<chahibi>all that to generate a basic pdf
13:11<chahibi>: [
13:11<euz100>a single pdf, or many pdfs/
13:11<euz100>?
13:11<chahibi>a single one
13:12<chahibi>I will just build somewhere else
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13:12<euz100>heh
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13:12<euz100>X tunelling won't help?
13:12<azeem>Arcalyth: what does "dpkg -l network-manager | tail -1" say?
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13:13<Arcalyth>azeem: ii network-manager 0.6.6-3 network management framework daemon
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13:14<azeem>hrm
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13:18<chahibi>euz100, ava.awt.headless=true
13:18<chahibi>euz100, http://solutionbeacon.blogspot.com/2007/07/verifying-virtual-x-server-xvfb-setup.html
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13:30<petern_>just noticed my clock's wrong :/
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13:30<luca_>ciao
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13:42<slom>hello, is anyone her using sid? I noticed that alsa-conf seems to be missing from the latest alsa-utils
13:42<llutz>it's gone
13:43<enouf>you mean alsaconf
13:43<slom>enouf: yes
13:43<slom>enouf: its not in /usr/sbin anymore
13:44<cahoot>slom: you shouldn't need it
13:44<enouf>oh my - when are peoplegoing to stop braking shit!?
13:44<enouf>fuck
13:44<enouf>breaking even
13:44<llutz>slom: udev should do that job
13:44<slom>well my sound is not working ... I thought it might help :)
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13:44<enouf>great - nore z25 files .. wonderful
13:44<slom>llutz: how so?
13:45<llutz>slom: ask the alsa-maintainer, it's just what i was told
13:45<enouf>what is there now? some /*-persistent-sound.rules ?
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13:46<djc>breaking? I thought that was the whole point of the 'development' version
13:46<djc>you dont want stuff to break, stick with lenny
13:46<enouf>well - if it was done as a response to more "in kernel" alsa functionality - i guess i could adapt for that reason
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13:47<djc>ww this dvdrom sounds like a fricken jet engine
13:47<enouf>djc: breaking was the wrong term - how about "badly misconfiguring and making horrible choices which results in stupid breakage for no reason"
13:48<djc>how about 'its the devel version, stuff is gonna change, get over it'
13:48<enouf>devs can also suck ass - just like most users already do
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13:48<enouf>how about they suck ass
13:48<djc>and 'if you dont want stuff to change, stick with stable (lenny)'
13:49<enouf>i'll build my own if i need to - i don't stick with anything - especially people who ask others to stay in your box
13:49<djc>then build you own and quick whining about what someone else does
13:49<djc>or ask for a refund
13:49<djc>oh wait
13:49<enouf>whining? you
13:50<djc>me what?
13:50<enouf>whining? you're a fool - i'm here to help - and when i mention to someone "run alsaconf" and they respond "it doesn't exist" i say you're not running Debian
13:50<enouf>ok?
13:50<enouf>get it fool?
13:51<djc>if they are running a dev version they should have the knowledge to not need help
13:51<djc>if they dont, they should run lenny
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13:51<enouf>that .. i can concur with - however, it doesn't address the scenario i mentioned
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13:51<djc>i dont see the point of complaining about things breaking in a dev version of an OS
13:52<enouf>you seem to be hte only one complaining
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14:05<cahoot><enouf> oh my - when are peoplegoing to stop braking shit!?
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14:06<th_>Hi everyone...! Guys debian have a text translate?!!!
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14:07<cahoot>seems to need one
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14:18<snackiz>hi
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14:21<snackiz>I'm trying to install Lenny on a HP 2230S notebook, but the installation program tells me that no CD drive could be found after I've booted from the disc and I've chosen a language.
14:21<snackiz>anyone have any tips?
14:22<slom>well insert the CD with the drivers for CD drive :P
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14:23<elena>Ciao!Ho una stampante epson stylus sx 100, l' ho collegata, il computer la vede, la imposta come predefinita, quando dò il comando di stampa mi dice elaborazione in corso e poi svanisce tutto come se avesse stampato, ma in realtà nn è uscito niente! qualcuno mi può aiutare?
14:23<snackiz>slom: to be able to do that I need to have my CD drivers loaded ;)
14:24<dr|z3d>!it
14:24<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:24<chealer>snackiz: which Linux version introduced support for your ODD controller?
14:25<elena>ok grazie!
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14:28<paultjuh>hi, i got a question: some application is listening at port 6667, can I detect which executable that is?
14:28<paultjuh>as far as i know i didn't install an irc server
14:29<latitude>paultjuh: you can use lsof to know that
14:29<tuxcrafter>hi all i want to set the boot id string in grub to "Debian GNU/Linux" and have it set with update-grub
14:29<paultjuh>ok ill try
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14:32<paultjuh>latitude, do you know by head what options i have to specify?
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14:32<llutz>lsof -i
14:32<tuxcrafter>any ideas how to do this and still be able to update kernels but have the id string remain the same
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14:34<Name1ess>paultjuh - if I recall correctly, 6667 is the commoon port for IRC to use. My CLIENT listens on that port (both mIRC in Winxp, and xchat in Debian) so ..
14:36<fxiny>lsof -i:6667
14:36<paultjuh>it works, it's /usr/sbin/inetd
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14:37<latitude>paultjuh: so you go check you inetd.conf
14:37<paultjuh>okey
14:37<latitude>*your
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14:40<deniz>i installed lenny from another comp to an external hard drive and i have it installed on the internal hard drive of this laptop but i want to boot from the external drive and everytime i choose to boot my external from bios, it loads the external for 2 seconds then goes to grub so i think it's the external being read but then when booting, it's booting the one from the internal hard drive...i tried pressing e on the lines to change stuff but i di
14:40<deniz>dn't know what to change and if it would do anything, can anyone suggest something please?
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14:40<deniz>my laptop is HP G50
14:40<paultjuh>i got it. it was bitlbee, i uninstalled it, but 6667 was still mentioned in inetd.conf
14:40<paultjuh>thank you all guys
14:41<fxiny>bitlbee++
14:41<fxiny>i have in on 6668
14:41<fxiny>in a vserver :P
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14:42<paultjuh>and do i have to restart inetd now?
14:42<llutz>"killall -HUP inetd" should do
14:43<paultjuh>works, thanks!
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14:53<snackiz>chealer: how do I see what odd controller I have?
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14:55<chealer>snackiz: on GNU/Linux, lspci should list it (though among other devices)
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15:16<ottoshmidt>my spellchecker underlines all the words I type, and I think it's probably it can't recognize english
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15:18<gnewb>ottoshmidt: Which program?
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15:19<Arcalyth|apollo>azeem: Installed wicd instead. Everything works.
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15:19<ottoshmidt>gnewb, for instance
15:19<ottoshmidt>gedit
15:20<ottoshmidt>and this once, xchat as well
15:20<ottoshmidt>gnewb, in Gedit Tools spellchecking options I found out that only Turkish is available in the lisbox, how can I add/restore english us??
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15:21<gnewb>ottoshmidt: I think mine is the same, I have to download all the en packages, I guess.
15:21<gnewb>ottoshmidt: Look for the en packages
15:21<ottoshmidt>gnewb, I downloaded extension for openoffice manuall
15:21<ottoshmidt>y
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15:21<ottoshmidt>gnewb, where?
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15:22<gnewb>ottoshmidt:en is English, I use Synaptic package manager
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15:22<ottoshmidt>ok
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15:23<gnewb>ottoshmidt: Use Synaptic Package Manager or whatever, and search for docs , English
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15:24<ottoshmidt>gnewb, but docs is documentation, like help etc, isnt it?
15:25<thehardman>damn blackjacknick it must suck to have to use mirc to get into #debian
15:25<gnewb>ottoshmidt: Docs are help and also spelling stuff. I think
15:25<ottoshmidt>oks
15:26<djc>install aspell-en
15:26<gnewb>ottoshmidt: I just know in Synaptic that if I use docs and (language) I get results easy,
15:26<djc>look for what dict packages you have installed
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15:27<gnewb>Yes, what djc is very correct
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15:27<djc>search for 'dict'.. then look for all the packages 'turkish' are installed, and add the corrosponding english ones
15:28<djc>there are various spelling libraries.. cant saw which ones which apps use
15:28<djc>but whatever you have installed, make sure the "en" ones are installed
15:28<djc>anything else which suggests is an english spelling dictionary
15:28<gnewb>My apologies, is dict, not doc, but doc also helps when switching or going international.
15:29<djc>there are various spell-checking libraries.. 'aspell', 'ispell', and others. each can use wordlists from different disctionaries
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15:33<gnewb>I 'sliced' this into two partitions, now can I erase one to use it for a backup/data disk or do I have to assign the boot and stuff?
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15:35<djc>you seem to have started in the middle.. 'sliced' what?
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15:36<gnewb>I made two partitions on one HDD, they are both Debian5 installs, I wish to remove one and use that space as a data/backup part.
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15:37<djc>you installed debian twice?
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15:37<gnewb>djc: yes
15:37<djc>and it worked, cleanly? that would require some careful parition mapping
15:38<djc>also generally, one doesnt install a system as one huge / parition.. normally one breaks out seperate space for /, /boot, maybe /usr or /home
15:38<gnewb>I like to play around, but yes, they both are working.
15:38<djc>one can always reserve 'storage' space as well
15:38<djc>although generally 'data' is stored at /home
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15:39<djc>and 'backup' is something one would generally want on an entirely different device/location
15:39<djc>if the drive crashes, having the backup on a seperate partition on the same drive isnt going to be of much use
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15:41<djc>my advice is to back up important user data and system configuration to external media.. and your debian dvd, couple with the debian software repo's are your 'software' backup
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15:41<gnewb>True, I will go back and resize it to full.
15:41<gnewb>It was kinda fun.
15:41<djc>wouldnt hurt to make a list of installed packages maybe
15:41<djc>generally you dont want one huge /
15:42<djc>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs01.html.en
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15:43<euz100>your mom's computer is a great place to store backups :)
15:44<djc>unless your 'mom' is running a *nix on her system, its a terrible place
15:44<djc>dvd-r's are cheap these days
15:44<az>you can store backups with important data on my pc
15:44<euz100>encrypted backup
15:44<euz100>of course
15:44<Name1ess>brb fixin windaids ...
15:44<az>=]
15:44<Name1ess>oops, wrong channel
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15:45<djc>euz100, encryption doesnt save you from corruption or deleteion
15:45-!-Alek [~alek@24.84-49-193.nextgentel.com] has joined #debian
15:45<djc>wtf is a windaid
15:45<Name1ess>windows + aids
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15:45<djc>sounds like a piece of duct tape you put on a windows computer to keep it from bleeding
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15:45<gnewb>Is a funny game, I would think
15:45<euz100>of course the best backup method is compressing, encryting, renaming to really.hot.underaged.copulation.avi and putting it on piratebay :)
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15:46<gnewb>Some Canadians got arrested for backing up that stuff.
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15:47<euz100>uhh, it's just a name, not the content
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15:48<djc>gnewb, here's some discussion on the matter- http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=137663
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15:48<djc>one good reason for /home seperate is that if it fills up, your system will still be functional
15:48<euz100>I never lost any data
15:48<djc>very little should be on /, imnsho
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15:49<euz100>I'm prolly very overdue to a crimpling one
15:49<petern_>on a desktop system just / and /home should be fine
15:49<djc>any path that is going to have any appreciable amount of stuff on it should have its own partition
15:49<djc>seperate /usr is good
15:49<euz100>I home have separate /home
15:49<euz100>only^^
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15:50<euz100>how much data do you want to backup?
15:50<djc>here is my setup:
15:50<djc>http://pastebin.com/m6585fa50
15:51<djc>sizes are approximate
15:51<euz100>if only personal stuff, I would prolly get a sdhc
15:51<gnewb>All of my sailing charts and journals, about 5g and growing.
15:51<euz100>format, write, throw switch to read-only
15:51<djc>burn it to a dvd or two
15:51<djc>then make a second set
15:52<euz100>a 8gb will cost you 15 dollars
15:52-!-MaKaVeLi [~OnLy@93-44-101-111.ip96.fastwebnet.it] has joined #debian
15:52<djc>so use two $1 4.7GB's
15:52<djc>where the hell you paying $15 for dual layers, anyway?
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15:52<rleigh>Hi folks. Is anyone using an accelerated framebuffer console with a modern ATI Radeon HD graphics card?
15:53<euz100>I was rleigh
15:53<djc>the local place here has spindles of them now.. i dont remember what the price was, but I can assure you it was *not* anywhere near 15 per disk
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15:53<euz100>x1200 I think
15:53<rleigh>I'm trying to get it working from the console by modprobing radeonfb module, but I can't get a switch to fbcon.
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15:53<euz100>do you want to play games and stuff?
15:53<rleigh>There's some magic required, but I don't know what.
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15:54<rleigh>euz100: No, I just want a full resolution display like I have on my powerpc system.
15:54<gnewb>Xorg?
15:54<euz100>interesting
15:55<euz100>X won't load?
15:55<rleigh>No, X is working fine.
15:55<euz100>do you have 32bit colors?
15:55<rleigh>The powerpc autodetects all the hardware and Just Works, but PC hardware isn't as accommodating.
15:56<euz100>:)
15:56<euz100>the ATI proprietary driver is called glrx
15:56<euz100>now if you want to use the X.org driver, it might be worthwhile setting the monitor modes manually
15:56<rleigh>euz100: Yes. I have a radeon HD 4850 with a 1680x1050 display.
15:57<rleigh>euz100: I have X configured to use Xorg just fine, without any proprietary drivers. What I want to do is get fbcon working with radeonfb.
15:57<euz100>install glrx is pretty easy
15:57<gnewb>Hrmm,,I remember doinga fglrx on something,
15:57<euz100>you might have to use a older kernel though
15:58<euz100>yes rleigh, the issue you're having is it isn't detecting the monitor modes correctly
15:58<jack>i don't know if it still works this way, but you used to have to pass in a modeline as a kernel parameter to get the framebuffer to initialize
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15:58<euz100>ah, I see
15:58<euz100>oopss :)
15:59<euz100>yes, you set that in grub
15:59<euz100>but I doubt you will get it to do 1680x1050
15:59<jack>well, if you're loading the right module at startup it should be possible
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16:00<euz100>once that setting gave me so much headache, I just left it be afterwards
16:00<rleigh>euz100: It actually works fine at that resolution on powerpc using radeonfb. You can configure it to use any resolution and bit depth.
16:01<djc>euz100, just for the record, they have a 50pk of 8.5G DL DVD-R for $39
16:01<euz100>that's insteresting rleigh, where do you set it?
16:01<djc>you dont need to setup fb for X. unless X doesnt have a server for your card
16:02<jason>I can't seem to get the QT libraries to install properly....
16:02<jason>for the Flash 4 Linux installation
16:02<rleigh>auz100: On the kernel command line, video=radeonfb:1680x1050-32@60, but nowadays it's autodetected via EDID.
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16:02<djc>ah ok
16:02<fran>olaaa
16:02<djc>http://www.noxneo.net/~ga/blog/?x=entry:entry081108-143319%3Bcomments:1
16:02<fran>ello
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16:03<djc>howto for lenny and Radeon HD4850
16:03<djc>i see fran is still at it
16:04<jason>I get "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext"
16:04<jason>and I can't find the proper package to install
16:04<jason>or I believe it to be properly installed, and not functioning
16:04<euz100>I love framebuffer, I used it a lot when I used slackware
16:04<euz100>but I couldn't set a widescreen mode
16:04<jason>anyone?
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16:05<djc>jason, you are trying to install _what_ ?
16:05<jason>qt libraries and Flash 4 Linux
16:05<djc>from where, using what?
16:05<jason>Debian Lenny, I downloaded the qt library package from their website
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16:06<jason>I extracted it, and did a successful ./configure
16:06<djc>use synaptic or aptitude instead
16:06<djc>install from the debian repo
16:06<jason>what is the correct package then?
16:06<jack>jason: sudo apt-get install libxext6
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16:06<jason>libxext6 is already the newest version.
16:06<jack>that's the library it's looking for and not finding
16:06<jason>and I still get that error
16:06<jack>sudo /sbin/ldconfig
16:06<djc>jason, unless you have some *very* good reason to not use the stock packages, don't install stuff like that from source
16:06<euz100>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions
16:06<jack>see if that works
16:07<djc>jason, if you are in X, run synaptic, or if console, use aptitude
16:07<euz100>dunno rleigh, but if you find anything concrete, plz msg me :)
16:07<jack>maybe the linker screwed up when you install it
16:07<djc>search for what you want, insteall it
16:07<jason>did nothing
16:07<jason>and still same error on 'make'
16:07<djc>jason, why are you trying to compile them instead of installing from th debian lenny repo?
16:08<jason>because I don't know the proper package
16:08<Gathond>jason: libxext6-dev perhaps
16:08<jason>no such package
16:08<jack>you need the dev packages when including fails, if linking fails it means the library isn't there
16:08<djc>if some packages needs the library, synaptic will fill in the dependencies
16:08<jack>libxext-dev
16:08<jack>no 6
16:08<djc>what are you trying to use that needs the qt library?
16:08<jason>Flash 4 Linux
16:08<tarzeau>!popcon
16:08<dpkg>methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
16:08<djc>ok, go into synaptic, and seach for 'flash'
16:09<djc>and it will automaticaly pull in the right package, and its dependencies
16:09<gnewb>SWF, Gnash , and those are good
16:09<gnewb>I like Gnash
16:09<jason>Gnash better than F4L?
16:10<gnewb>It is non-propietary
16:10<djc>oh.. wait.. you want a flash player, or something to *build* flash ?
16:10<jason>is it just a flash player
16:10<gnewb>I think it is at 6 now
16:10<jason>im doing flash developement
16:10<jason>not wanting to watch flash movies
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16:10<gnewb>oh, ok
16:10<djc>then try to find a .deb for f4l
16:10<euz100>perhaps powerpc doesn't use the VESA standards
16:11<euz100>that's why you can set any resolution you wish
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16:11<euz100>now it seems you can set SOME odd ball resolutions DEPENDING on the card
16:12<euz100>but 1680x1050 doesn't seem to be 1 of them
16:13<euz100>some guy wrote "You should just be able to give the kernel the boot option vga=865 or vga=0x361 for 1680x1050x246."
16:14<euz100>that's interesting, vga=865 is used in lilo, and vga=0x361 grub, right?
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16:15<djc>F4L appears to have not been maintained for 4 years
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16:15<rleigh>euz100: That's for vgacon/vesafb only, where you have to use valid VESA modes. 1680x1050 is the native resolution of my flat panel, and it works fine. The problem I'm having is working out how to force the kernel to switch to fbcon after modprobing radeonfb.
16:15<euz100>but I think it depends on t he card you have
16:15<djc>you might have some difficulty either finding a lenny version or making it work from source with the libraries in lenny
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16:16<euz100>you see, eventually the VESA standard gets updated, but I guess some card manufacturers don't bother to keep up
16:16<euz100>dunno, I think it's worth a try
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16:17<euz100>sudo hwinfo --framebuffer | grep 1680
16:17<euz100>try that
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16:18<djc>jason, install 'kdevelop'
16:18<jason>I did
16:18<jason>thats what needs the qt libraries
16:18<jason>:-\
16:18<djc>it should have pulled them in on dependency
16:18<jason>it was asking me to point it to where i have the qt.h file
16:18<jason>it didnt
16:18<djc>well hang on.. im installit it myself at the moment
16:18<jason>and i used apt-get install kdevelop
16:18<djc>installING
16:18<djc>and I'll see if it works for me
16:18<jason>k
16:19<jack>i'm using kubuntu not ubuntu so all the qt stuff's already loaded
16:19<djc>it is possible that it (F4L) uses an obsolete version of qt
16:19<jack>but if it's looking for qt.h, maybe you didn't install qt-dev
16:19<djc>but i'll see
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16:19<jack>you shouldn't have to compile from source
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16:20<jason> Couldn't find package qt-dev
16:20<jack>is it looking for 3 or 4?
16:20<jason>my problem is i have no fucking clue
16:20<jason>3
16:20<jason>what package to install
16:20<jason>so i downloaded the source
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16:20<djc>im still downloading for kdevelop
16:20<djc>once its installed i'll load F4L into it and see what it does
16:20<jason>it will ask for qt libraries
16:20<jason>have you installed qt?
16:20<djc>not yet
16:21<djc>or.. maybe
16:21<djc>i might have something else that pulled them in
16:21<dr|z3d>jason: qt4-dev
16:21<djc>but I'll see if I can make it work, and if I do, I'll let you know
16:21<jack>qt3-apps-dev libqt3-headers libqt3-mt
16:21<jack>if it's looking for 3, qt4 isn't compatible with that
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16:21<jack>apt-get install qt3-apps-dev libqt3-headers libqt3-mt
16:21<jason>i did sudo apt-get install libqt4-dev
16:21<jack>try that
16:21<djc>damn kdevelop pulls in a lot of crap
16:22<jack>qt4 and qt3 aren't compatible, iirc
16:22<jack>you can have both, but apps that target one don't compile for the other
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16:22<jason>ok
16:22<jason>well im doing the same for 3 then
16:22<jason>;)
16:22<djc>oh neat I had some upgrades marked and it grabbed them too
16:22<djc>kernel
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16:25<jason>how do i find where the qt header files are
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16:26<djc>libqt4-qt3support might be of help
16:26<djc>im looking into it now
16:26<djc>i would think kdevelop wound know where to find it automagically, but apparently not
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16:26<jack>they're most likely in /usr/include somewhere
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16:27<jack>/usr/include/qt3 maybe?
16:27<jack>yeah that's where mine are
16:27<jason>hrm
16:27<jason>did it ask you ?
16:27<djc>libqt3-compat-headers
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16:28<djc>install that
16:28<djc>it will pull in a lot of other -dev dependencies
16:28<djc>let it
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16:28<jason>already got it
16:28<jason>but when i open the f4l.kdevelop
16:28<jason>it isn't asking for the directory anymore
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16:28<jason>but i get a lot of errors on build
16:29<djc>ok let me catch up with you here
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16:32<squelos>hello
16:32<squelos>is anyone here ?
16:32<jack>hello squelos what's up?
16:32<squelos>hi
16:33<squelos>im just testing pidgin.
16:33<squelos>Im new to linux
16:33<squelos>im starting off with a debian sid on my E6600.
16:33<jack>well, welcome, i'm glad you decided to give it a try
16:33<squelos>Well i already gave it a try a few years ago with ubuntu
16:33<squelos>but i was a bit too young
16:33<squelos>im 18 now btw :p
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16:34<jack>oh thanks make me feel all old
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16:34<squelos>Yeah :D
16:34<squelos>But im french, and im really concerned about my security
16:35<squelos>when you read all the laws and all ....
16:35<jack>ah oui, c'est vrai
16:35<squelos>Its fucking worse than hitler
16:35<squelos>ah
16:35<squelos>c'est un server francais ?
16:35<jack>non
16:35<djc>!fr
16:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
16:35<djc>jason, im still looking at that, btw
16:35<squelos>oh ok
16:35<jack>i just like to practice mine
16:36<squelos>ill stay here then , coz im billingual :p
16:36<squelos>i just had some questions, what is the git fonction ?
16:36<jack>git is sort of like cvs
16:36<squelos>and what is cvs ? :D
16:36<jack>it downloads source code from a repository so you can compile it, hack on it
16:36<djc>jason, i think im making some progress
16:36<jack>and then handles sending it back
16:36<jason>bleh
16:36<dr|z3d>squelos: You're using Debian/Linux. Security has been mostly taken care of for you.
16:37<jason>i cant compile it lol
16:37<dr|z3d>!fr
16:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
16:37<squelos>Yeah i know.
16:37<djc>jason let me finish, and if it works, i'll tell you what I did
16:37<chealer>squelos: please watch your language
16:37<squelos>but im going to get firestarter configured
16:38<squelos>and someone told me to download some programs, Tor, and proxy something
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16:38<jack>ah yes, tor is nice for anonymous browsing
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16:38<jack>in windows it comes packaged with a proxy server but i forget what it's called
16:38<squelos>Yeah, thats what im looking for.
16:38<squelos>Yeah wait ill have a look
16:38<squelos>im just after installing it
16:38<squelos>are you american ?
16:38<jack>i haven't used it in linux yet because i'm not really paranoid enough to worry about it, let me do a quick search on that
16:38<kop>squelos : The canonical proxy server is squid.
16:39<jack>yeah
16:39<squelos>thats it.
16:39<dr|zed>Proxy server? There's Privoxy, Polipo, and indeed Squid available for Windows.
16:39<squelos>privoxt
16:39<dr|zed>(amongst others)
16:39<squelos>privoxy i mean :)
16:40<squelos>btw, im just after installing compiz. It really is nice O.O
16:40<djc>jason i beleive I have a solution for you.. im going to switch to private to give you instr
16:40<djc>if thats ok
16:40<jason>kewl
16:40<squelos>I remember the aero style theme in suze linux a few years ago, before it came out on vista
16:40<jack>yeah compiz is pretty nice
16:41<jack>i'm waiting for xcompmgr to get better, because i'm too much of a fluxbox fan to give it all up
16:41<gnewb>desklets is fun one also
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16:41<jack>but on the occasions i've played with compiz i've been impressed
16:41<squelos>Yeah, its kinda fun. But its mostly a gadget.
16:42<squelos>I really love the 4 desktops
16:42<gnewb>I have 8
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16:42<jack>i just like the composite effects, i'm big into graphics so it's fun for me
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16:43<gnewb>Back to 4 now
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16:44<squelos>IRC seems really underground. Its been a while since i last came on a chan
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16:45<jamuraa>it's still the best place to get support for some highly-technical subjects
16:45<jack>sometimes the only one
16:46<jack>when even google doesn't know...
16:46<gnewb>Oh yes, I wish to thank you for that Debian site that explained Parts
16:47<gnewb>Makes much better sense now.
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16:52<ahmed>where am i>>?????????
16:52<ahmed>where am i>>?????????
16:52<ahmed>where am i>>?????????
16:52<ahmed>where am i>>?????????
16:52<ahmed>where am i>>?????????
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16:53<squelos>can someone explain how to install a "skydome" ?
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16:54<simonrvn>squelos: ask the architects for the toronto skydome
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16:54<djc>i was gonna say, i think you need an architech and/or a builder
16:54<djc>arcitech
16:54<djc>BAH
16:54<djc>what simonrvn said
16:54<djc>I suspect he's having a translation problem though
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16:55<simonrvn>hell, could very well be, sometimes i don't get american english...
16:55<djc>i think he tried to translate from his language and got the wrong word.. tech terms often don't translate well
16:55<squelos>is the skydome just a wallpaper ?
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16:56<simonrvn>squelos: oh you mean for compiz, right?
16:56<squelos>yeah
16:56<simonrvn>squelos: next time, be more explicit, don't assume we can read your mind.
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16:56<djc>ROFL!
16:56<simonrvn>it's just an image
16:57<squelos>because my cube is really close up when i turn in round. I dont know how to put it a bit more further away
16:57<squelos>i turn it
16:57<djc>squelos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Centre
16:57<simonrvn>you can tweak that in the compiz config manager
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16:58<djc>cube?
16:58<simonrvn>yeh
16:58<simonrvn>instead of "wall"
16:58<squelos>cube in compiz
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16:59<djc>wall?!?
16:59<simonrvn>wall is their term for the usual desktop set up if you have more than one.
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16:59<squelos>well you know the thing that turns around, with the different desktops on them.
16:59<simonrvn>cube just lays them out into a 3d object
17:00<squelos>oh wall then.
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17:00<djc>oh some silly eye candy
17:00<djc>lord
17:00<simonrvn>yup
17:00<simonrvn>some people like it. oh sure it's cool and pretty, but such a hog.
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17:00<djc>For reference, I use Windowmaker, with 10 virtual screens, which I access with Alt-F1 thru Alt-F10
17:00<dr|z3d>It's silly, and also functional.
17:01<djc>and most of them have full-screen gnome-terminals running, most of the time
17:01<dr|z3d>Which is to say, one man's eye candy is another man's useful feature. :)
17:02<simonrvn>indeed
17:02<djc>and for anyone who never use linux in the pre-X days, thats setup to roughly approximate the text linux console's vty's
17:02<djc>and in fact I set it up way back when I first switched from text linux to X
17:03<simonrvn>nothing precludes you from setting it up like that today ;).
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17:03<djc>on redhat.. or maybe slackware
17:03<djc>this was back in like... 95
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17:03<djc>or maybe 96
17:03<squelos>I killed my X once ... and im such a noob, i had to reinstall the whole thing ....
17:03<djc>when the need of a graphic web browser motivated me to use X
17:04<djc>at the time I was using SVGATextMode to get 100x40 text terminal
17:04<djc>80x25 was just to damn small
17:04<simonrvn>too
17:05<djc>right
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17:05<petern_>svgatextmode is nice
17:05<djc>anyway, then i followed redhat up through fedora
17:05<simonrvn>it is, though i prefer fb
17:05<djc>and just recently decided to switch to debian, concurrent with an HD upgrade/replace
17:05<petern_>fb's slower
17:06<djc>and my X screen still looks basically the same as it did before
17:06<euz100>fb is really easy on the eyes
17:06<simonrvn>on ppc h/w that's all you get ;).
17:06<gnewb>I still have my TRS-80.in its' original nylon /geek bag
17:06<djc>im not a fan of multiple small windows.. I like to flip between multiple full-screen windows
17:06<simonrvn>i got used to that, so i stick with it.
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17:07<djc>If I had a huge display I might consider having two per screen
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17:07<djc>damn its 5pm
17:07<gnewb>somewhere
17:07<djc>here
17:07<djc>where I am
17:08<djc>well 5:06
17:08<simonrvn>same TZ
17:08<gnewb>That is an old bartender joke
17:08<djc>ive heard it, yes
17:08<djc>but it really is 5
17:08<djc>simonrvn, covers a lot of ground.. where?
17:09<djc>michigan here
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17:10<gnewb>I have been to Michigan
17:10<gnewb>It was , well, it was Michigan, it was fun
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17:11<djc>simonrvn, nvm.. I engaged the NSA tracking tool and found you
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17:11<euz100>does that mean you're a windows user? :)
17:11<simonrvn>heh
17:11<djc>eh?
17:11<Ubuntubear>Hey all
17:12<simonrvn>djc: so tell me where i am ;)
17:12<djc>!ubuntu
17:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:12-!-squelos [~squelos@164.58.201-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #debian
17:12<djc>in or near Montreal
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17:12<simonrvn>very good. geoip is useful, innit ;)
17:12<djc>no geoip
17:13<djc>although ive heard of that
17:13<euz100>what about me, djc
17:13<djc>euz100, hang on, waiting for the satellite to switch over
17:14<jack>lol
17:14<euz100>I doubt you can find out the state I'm in
17:14<jack>you're in the state of denial
17:14<gnewb>That is Egypt?
17:14<jack>that was an easy one
17:14<euz100>have you been reading my shrink's notes?
17:14<jack>no denial is not a river in egypt
17:15<jack>nah i'm just good at reading people
17:15<djc>Brazil, at least
17:15<euz100>elaborate, jack
17:15<squelos>Hey guys, im going to bed
17:15<squelos>good night :)
17:16<euz100>Brazil is bigger than continental USA :)
17:16<djc>still attempting more details
17:17<gnewb>Oceana is bigger than Brazil
17:17<euz100>Oceania?
17:17<gnewb>yes.
17:18<euz100>Oceania includes part of idonesia, right?
17:18<euz100>indonesia
17:18<gnewb>Yes
17:18-!-kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.150.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:18<gnewb>Pretty much the South Pacific
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17:19<euz100>indonesia is a pretty big country, I think
17:19<euz100>in land mass
17:19<misterto>1.2 billion people
17:20<djc>Ok I can't get any further details than that
17:20<djc>Brazil
17:20<gnewb>They have a neato flag
17:21<euz100>2004 estimate says 231,328,092 people in indonesia
17:21<euz100>what's 1.2 billion, the whole of oceania?
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17:22<djc>Unless...
17:22<djc>Betim
17:22<gnewb>July 2008 est. estimate 237,512,352
17:23<djc>euz100, that anywhere near you?
17:23<euz100>heh Bjc, I'm quite far from Betim
17:23<euz100>at least 500 km
17:23<djc>perhaps using a proxy server there... or other server
17:24<euz100>but your guess is a city in my state
17:24<euz100>I didn't think you would get that far
17:24<djc>your state is more than 500km across.. damn
17:25<djc>Find me.. I've already told you Michigan.. can you narrow it further?
17:25<euz100>it's a big state
17:26<euz100>Grand Rapids?
17:26<djc>Heh.. pretty close
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17:27<gnewb>djc: You are a sailor?
17:27<djc>gnewb, er... what?
17:27-!-akirujai [~akirujai@adsl-75-28-131-162.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
17:27<euz100>oh djc, ever heard of gspace?
17:27<djc>im really curious what you based that on
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17:27<euz100>you're the one who wanted help on backups, right?
17:28<djc>me?
17:28<djc>no im not needing any help today
17:28<gnewb>I had a buddy from Grand Rapids that use to sail
17:28<djc>My father has a sailboat
17:28<gnewb>Bear?
17:28<euz100>heh, guy looking for help here earlier wanted to keep some sailing charts save
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17:28<euz100>sorry...
17:29<gnewb>That was me
17:29<djc>Damn wind is blowing my packets away
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17:29<djc>Of course you don't see that since Ive got dircproxy running
17:29<djc>I keep losing connection
17:29<gnewb>I keep charts from NOAA on my sailboat, they are HUGE.
17:29<djc>electronic or paper?
17:30<gnewb>Both
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17:30<euz100>jpg?
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17:31<djc>gnewb, Georgia
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17:31<djc>wait.. no
17:31<gnewb>They are Raster maps, mostly
17:31<Supaplex>plastic chicken? no thanks.
17:32<djc>Florida
17:32<djc>That would explain the sailing
17:33<eric>hey is it possible to do just as good of job with the c language as with assembly language?
17:34<euz100>nope :)
17:34<djc>1. as good of a job doing what. 2. thats a higly subjective question
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17:34<eric>wow
17:34<eric>I just leared something
17:34<jack>well, if you really suck at asm but aren't terrible at c, your compiler could do a better job than you at asm
17:35<euz100>1 is inteligent optimization, and the other automatic optimization
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17:35<eric>how does the computer understand this stuff?
17:35<jack>if you can do better than the compiler's optimizer, then you're a really good assembly programmer
17:35<gnewb>010101010101010100
17:35<djc>uh.. what?
17:35<eric>wow
17:35<euz100>of course this implies maximiun effort put into both
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17:36<euz100>I doubt that jack
17:36<djc>the first compiler was written in assembly.. the first assembler, of course, was written in machine code
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17:36<djc>and the first CPU was not designed on a computer ;)
17:36<jack>unless your compiler has a really crappy optimizer, you'd probably be better off just using that unless you have "teh mzd skillz" with assembly language
17:37<eric>hahaha what was the first assembler?
17:37<euz100>asm programing is very rare though
17:37<djc>google it
17:37<djc>damn im hungry
17:37<eric>no way
17:37<euz100>video encoding, emulation core
17:37<gnewb>Turning Machine
17:38<simonrvn>turing
17:38<gnewb>my bad
17:38<djc>turning machines are cool as well though.. no assembly involved
17:38<djc>well.. they could come not put together and require assembly
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17:38<gnewb>Still way ahead of everything else
17:38<eric>phew
17:38<euz100>you could use the intel compiler btw
17:38<djc>what is?
17:39<eric>intel compiler?
17:39<euz100>it is said to be a bit better than other compilers
17:39<False_chicken>Realy?
17:39<jack>yeah it optimizes REALLY well for intel procs
17:39<eric>ok cool. thanks.
17:39<djc>turning machine = a machine that turns a material (wood, metal, etc) on which you can apply cutting tools to make shapes
17:39<euz100>yes, there's even a project trying to make the linux kernel compatible
17:39<djc>if anyone doesnt know what a tuRing machine is, google it
17:39<jack>ah you mean a lathe
17:39<euz100>intel owns x86
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17:40<djc>jack, yes, thats another word for it
17:40<False_chicken>yeah. Im a amd fan myself
17:40<euz100>so I think they should know something about it
17:40<jack>i've never heard it called a turning machine before, but i guess it applies
17:40<euz100>yeah, I use AMD too
17:40<eric>what does debian 5.0.0 use?
17:40<euz100>have used it and only it for almost a decade now
17:40<jack>yeah if you designed the cpu of course you can optimize things well for it
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17:41<euz100>but intel owns the x86 patents
17:41<eric>or I should say what should I use if Im using debain 5.0.0
17:41<False_chicken>thats impressive. Im going on five years
17:41<euz100>they they're even trying to kick AMD out
17:41<djc>jack also Florida?
17:41<djc>False_chicken, DC
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17:41<jack>florida? no never been
17:41<djc>or are we done with that game?
17:42<djc>Oh.. duh..
17:42<djc>Kansas
17:42<djc>looked at the wrong data item
17:42<eric>hey anyone know how to use the gcc compiler that comes with debian 5.0.0
17:42<jack>yeah unfortunately lol
17:42<jack>same way you use any other gcc compiler
17:42<djc>eric uhm.. write some c code?
17:42<jack>but you probably want to use a Makefile
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17:42<djc>then gc code.c ?
17:42<djc>er
17:42<djc>gcc
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17:42<euz100>http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linuxdna-supercharges-linux-intel-cc-compiler
17:42<jack>gcc code.c -o executable_name
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17:43<djc>well yeah the -o is optional
17:43<eric>gcc isnt a recognized command
17:43<jack>i don't like running a.out
17:43<euz100>Earlier work at compiling the Linux kernel with ICC found that ICC provided up to a 40% boost in performance. Ingo A. Kubblin, a German developer that worked on the original ICC porting project in 2004, gave the following quote: "... boost up to 40% for certain kernel parts and an average boost of 8-9% possible"
17:43<djc>then perhaps you dont have it installed?
17:43<euz100>rename a.out :)
17:43<jack>or just type the -o lol
17:43<eric>I mean it doesnt istall with debian but there is a compiler installed
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17:43<jack>i have my makefile do it for me
17:43<djc>gcc would be what is installed
17:43<djc>if you dont have it, you dont have it installed
17:44<euz100>install something like the linux kernel source
17:44<euz100>it should install most compiling dependencies
17:44<eric>is debian compatable withe the linux kernal source?
17:45<djc>or something like apt-build
17:45<djc>debian is linux?
17:45<euz100>there's are automated commands for making packages, eric
17:45<eric>kind of
17:45<djc>install the linux kernel debian source package
17:45<djc>i didnt mean that to be a question
17:45<djc>debian is linux
17:45<euz100>there are debian patches too
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17:46<euz100>I don't think you will have problems, it will such screw up the apt system
17:46<djc>aot-get install linux-source-2.6.26
17:46<eric>hmm I just relized I can program for this computer with my laptop
17:46<eric>who
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17:46<eric>woops
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17:46<djc>i wouldnt suggest installing such a kernel tho
17:47<djc>not until you know a lot more about what you are doing
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17:47<euz100>what are you trying to code in asm anyways?
17:47<eric>thaks
17:47<djc>s/aot/apt
17:48<eric>I just wanted the computer to be able if i ever did. not that its that big of a deal. I got this awesome version of opensuse 11.1 on my laptop.
17:48<eric>still buggy though
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17:48<eric>:)
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17:49<euz100>I think the kernel has asm bits
17:49<euz100>it should be no problem
17:49<djc>if you were going to recompile your debian kernel, id suggest getting the debian kernel source package and using the debian build tools to do so to make a new debian kernel package, and install that
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17:49<euz100>djc, I only suggest the kernel in order to get most of the compiling dependencies
17:49<euz100>suggested
17:49<djc>its the same 'linux', but then it will both have any debian specific mods, as well as be packaged properly
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17:50<djc>euz100, i know
17:50<djc>i was following up to his comments
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17:50<djc>euz100, less time downloading, install apt-build instead
17:51<eric_justin_allan>hes pretty respectable
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17:51<djc>ok ive gotta go eat
17:51<eric_justin_allan>actually more helpful then milcious
17:51<euz100>well, I prefer to have EXTRA libraries :)
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17:52<euz100>slackware is awesome for compiling
17:52<eric_justin_allan>I gotta say i really like gcc now that I kow how to use it.
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17:52<eric_justin_allan>the man files arent that helpful though.
17:53<euz100>heh
17:53<eric_justin_allan>usage is hardly specified for any of the commads that i seem to need or want to use.
17:53<euz100>find a tutorial on the web
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17:53<eric_justin_allan>usage should be a requirement
17:53<eric_justin_allan>:P
17:54<euz100>are you a windows programmer?
17:54<eric_justin_allan>o
17:54<eric_justin_allan>no
17:54<eric_justin_allan>im 24 and I havent eve started school yet.
17:54<euz100>someone learning to program?
17:54<eric_justin_allan>yea kind of
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17:54<euz100>heh, so you will start school?
17:55<eric_justin_allan>I'm hoping so. If I dont go to spc then Ill probably have to got to CFCC
17:55<euz100>if programming is your major, prepare to have windows rammed down your throat
17:55<eric_justin_allan>which is better cause they have linux classes there.
17:57<eric_justin_allan>Im gonna try to avoid most of the windows lextures. heh
17:57<euz100>it's impossible to even mention unix to a windows programmer
17:57<eric_justin_allan>Hah.
17:57<euz100>they go instantly beserk
17:57<eric_justin_allan>I used to think of unix as alot less my self to.
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17:58<euz100>unix, linux, bsd
17:58<eric_justin_allan>I gotta say i dont wanna even connect my debain box to the internet its so nice.
17:58<eric_justin_allan>haha
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17:59<euz100>the best thing about *nix is it prevents(at least a bit) programers from making crap
17:59<euz100>like vb apps
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18:00<euz100>the other day I saw a discussion on slashdot about montana's state IT status
18:01<euz100>real nightmare, won't even work on firefox
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18:01*eric_justin_allan laughs
18:02<euz100>btw, I'm not a programmer :)
18:02<euz100>laters
18:02<eric_justin_allan>anyone know of any Commander type interfaces for debian other than midight commander?
18:02<dli_>how do I clean up fonts I don't need, like, ttf-arabeyes ttf-lao, etc
18:02<djc>eric_justin_allan, your shorter nic made less noise
18:03<djc>nick
18:03<eric_justin_allan>my shorter nick is owned by someone else.
18:03<euz100>what's wrong with mc?
18:03<djc>well maybe be ericja then
18:03<djc>or eja
18:03<eric_justin_allan>something.
18:03*euz100 doesn't use mc
18:03*djc finds 'ls', 'cp', 'mv', etc sufficient
18:03<eric_justin_allan>nah I like this one
18:04<euz100>yeah, specially on framebuffer
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18:04<eric_justin_allan>nano is pretty cool
18:04<euz100>call it therapeutic :)
18:04<djc>that would be a text editor
18:04<euz100>you want vi :)
18:04<eric_justin_allan>say no you want vi.
18:04<djc>sed
18:05<eric_justin_allan>I just found a bug i vi the other day with debian.
18:05<euz100>haha
18:05<eric_justin_allan>:P
18:05<eric_justin_allan>Or was that suse
18:05<djc>edlin via freedos
18:05<eric_justin_allan>prolly suse nevermind
18:05<eric_justin_allan>woops
18:05<deadcat>hey i am trying to compile the nvidia-kernel-source for the linux-image-2.6.29-1-686-bigmem kernel but it just fails. anyone else having same issue? i did m-a build -t nvidia-kernel-source
18:05<euz100>nano is very restricted
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18:06<djc>actually i use sed all the time in scripts
18:06<euz100>after you learn to replace with vi, I don't see a reason to use nano anymore
18:06<djc>!nvidia
18:06<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
18:06<djc>oh.. m-a
18:06<djc>i think 2.6.29 just came out
18:06<eric_justin_allan>whys everyone like vi so much?
18:06<djc>i dont use vi
18:07<euz100>sometimes I screw around with sed, but you need to look at manual
18:07<euz100>for making scripts
18:07<deadcat>djc: ya. no nvidia prebuild, i tried building the source but no luck.
18:07<djc>you mean you do. I don't
18:07<euz100>eric, because vi is like an abyss, you stare at it, and it stares back at you
18:07<djc>deadcat, did you install debian-kernel-source for 2.6.29 ?
18:07<djc>and/or headers?
18:07<euz100>impossible to learn all the features :)
18:07<djc>if not, that might be what it needs
18:08<djc>euz100, i didnt say I knew *everything* about it..
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18:08<djc>but I know enough for my scripting needs
18:08<deadcat>djc: debian-kernel-source?
18:08<djc>er
18:08<euz100>sometimes I get into my head to format some text to put it in my sony reader
18:09<djc>deadcat, wrong package.. hang on
18:09<deadcat>djc: yes. everything i need is installed. apt-get build-dep nvidia-kernel-source
18:09<euz100>I run some really wild scripts
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18:09<djc>just linux-source
18:09<djc>but possible also linux-headers
18:09<euz100>not very elegant though
18:10<deadcat>djc: ya. have all those for the 2.6.29 kernel.
18:10<euz100>what do you mean 2.6.29 is out?
18:10<deadcat>euz100: yes. sid
18:10<eric_justin_allan>anyoe wana tell me how to download a full directorie from linux hq?
18:10<djc>deadcat, well what happens when m-a tries to build
18:10<djc>pastebin the output
18:10*eric_justin_allan sighs loudly
18:10<euz100>was it just released, or your just noticed it was released?
18:10<deadcat>djc: let me give another go (currently on 2.6.26
18:11<eric_justin_allan>29th of this month
18:11<djc>deadcat, you want to be running the same kernel you are building for, i think
18:11<deadcat>djc: ya i did that. it failed.
18:12<deadcat>djc: i am looking at m-a man page for options
18:12<euz100>I tried download 2.6.29 some many times, today and yesterday
18:12<euz100>I get checksum mismatch
18:12<euz100>2.6.26 isn't working with my IDE chipset
18:12<djc>hrm.. itd be handy if synaptic had an 'advanced' search
18:13<djc>i can click 'installed' to see all installed packages
18:13<djc>or I can search for text and find *all* packages that match
18:13<djc>i might want to search for all *installed* packages that match a text search
18:13<djc>cant seem to find a way to do that
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18:13<euz100>you could always grep the package database :)
18:13<euz100>egrep
18:14<deadcat>dpkg --get-selections
18:14<dpkg>deadcat: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
18:14<euz100>so you can't install 2.6.29 either?
18:15<djc>yeah, I know I culd do that.. that doesnt change that it would be if synaptic had a way to do that
18:15<djc>*handy
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18:15<chealer>deadcat: did you look at the BTS?
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18:16<djc>or even just 'search within currently displayed packages'
18:16<deadcat>chealer: no.
18:17<euz100>beggars can't be choosers :)
18:17<deadcat>djc: pastebin.ca/1376233
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18:18<chealer>djc: use a filter (not completely practical, granted)
18:18<chealer>!btssmite deadcat
18:18*dpkg beats deadcat around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if deadcat is running testing or unstable
18:18<djc>chealer, a filter where? in synaptic?
18:19<chealer>djc: yes
18:19<djc>how does one do that
18:19<djc>i dont see any menu option 'create filter'.. or anything about filters
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18:20<djc>oh!
18:20<djc>there it is
18:20<chealer>djc: file:///usr/share/synaptic/html/ar01s05.html (quite probable outdated)
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18:20<djc>cant seem to see where to create one tho
18:21<djc>hrm.. i dont have preferences -> filters
18:21<deadcat>no luck with the m-a build
18:22<djc>oh.. its a seperate item now
18:22<djc>neat
18:22<djc>i'll have to play with that
18:23<dli_>what's the new way for "dpkg-reconfigure locales"?
18:23<weasel>apt-get install locales-all
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18:24<djc>hrm.. i cant quite seem to figure out how to combine a text search with a status filter
18:24<weasel>unless you're very short on disk space
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18:26<deadcat>chealer: this must be the issue i am having: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520706 oh well, staying in 2.6.26-1 for now. but its choppy on my dual monitor setup. maybe i have setup config wrong or its not performing at its best.
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18:27<deadcat>maybe nvidia pci card just sucks
18:27<Supaplex>those poor dead green presidents died for that purchase? hah.
18:27<streuner>dli_: sid?
18:28<dli_>streuner, lenny
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19:10<RaPtoR>hello
19:11<djc>AND YOU WILL KNOW MY NAME IS THE LORD WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE
19:11<djc>hello
19:11<b1ll>what?
19:11<djc>Ezekiel 25:17
19:12<b1ll>coldblooded sh!t
19:12<djc>yup
19:13<djc>actually, it isnt really in the bible
19:13<djc>not that it matters
19:14<simonrvn>had enough of stupidity
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19:15<dr|z3d>djc/b1ll -> #moocows you may enjoy.
19:15<RaPtoR>türkçe bilen yokmu :S
19:15<dr|z3d>!tr
19:15<dpkg>it has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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19:18<djc>!uberstab
19:18<djc>hrm
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19:43<Xenguy>Hi, I wonder if anyone has any insight into this sound problem...
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19:44<Xenguy>sound *was* working after I upgraded to lenny, but now is not for some reason. I did notice this...
19:44<Xenguy>that there is no /dev/dsp, but there is both /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2...
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19:46<Xenguy>I can do 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp2' successfully, but setting up a symlink from /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp2 did not help as a workaround
19:46<Xenguy>Does this mean anything to anyone, that there is no /dev/dsp ?
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19:47<chealer>!tell Xenguy about doesn't work
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19:48<djc>i would suggest try reconfigure sound from scratch
19:48<djc>http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Debian_Sound
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19:50<Xenguy>djc: thanks for the tip
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19:51<Xenguy>chealer: there is no sound - is that specific enough for you? :P
19:52<chealer>Xenguy: more or less. at least mention what makes you think there should be sound.
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19:52<simonrvn>check the bts, this isn't the first time i've seen this
19:54<djc>he did say his sound *was* woring previously
19:54<djc>I would try to reconfigure from the start
19:54<djc>Xenguy, you did check the dumb/obvious things like speakers plugged in, turned on, etc?
19:54<djc>:P
19:55<Xenguy>djc: yep, I always check 'cabling' first as it has bitten me before
19:55*Xenguy looks at djc's web site/pointer
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20:05<Xenguy>when I do 'lspci |grep Audio' as suggested by the article, 3 entries show up, which seems like rather a lot :-/
20:06*Xenguy tries that on a couple of other PCs, just to see...
20:07<Xenguy>(lspci |grep -i audio is better)
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20:15<user01>hey what would be the driver for 3d for geforce2 gts ?
20:16<drinianet>can anyone help me about Suse linux
20:16<zulu9>user01: I think those are supported by nvidia legacy drivers
20:16<zulu9>!sgfxi
20:17<zulu9>ups. wrong chan ;)
20:17<abrotman>drinianet: #suse on irc.freenode.net
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20:18<user01>zulu9: not seeing it . . . see other geforce2s though
20:18<irocksu>hi
20:18<chealer>user01: the nvidia drivers (old versions)
20:19<chealer>!tell user01 about ngd
20:19<irocksu>i have a nslu2 and did a dist-upgrade. when i had to accept the generation of new ssh key pairs my network went down.
20:20<irocksu>now i cannot reach my nslu2. is there a way to restore the connection?
20:20<djc>wtf is an nslu2 ?
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20:20<djc>and why does your network depend on ssh keypairs?
20:20<irocksu>djc: basically a network attached storage. but you can install debian on it.
20:20<djc>I see
20:21<abrotman>!slug
20:21<dpkg>methinks slug is the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at UTS (University of Technology). See http://www.slug.org.au/ for further details, #slug on irc.freenode.net. A slang term for the Linksys <NSLU2>, an ARM device with 2 USB 2.0 ports and a 10/100 ethernet port.
20:21<irocksu>no i had to genereate new ones because there was this vulnerability some months ago.
20:21<djc>so by 'network went down', you mean 'cant access files' or 'dont have access to network at all
20:21<irocksu>and my network went down for other reasons.
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20:22<djc>ah.. sounds like you need a keyboard and screen to plug into it
20:22<irocksu>djc: by network went down i mean my ssh session closed where apt-get dist-upgrade was running
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20:22<djc>ok, the way it read it sounded like the new ssh keys broke your network
20:22<djc>:P
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20:22<irocksu>djc... you see there is problem... network attached storages do not have vga...
20:23<djc>so how did you install debian on it in the first place?
20:23<irocksu>ssh
20:23<djc>I would think that would..
20:23<irocksu>netinstall
20:23<djc>from a *running* system? what was it running before
20:23<djc>and how on earth do you install while the system is running
20:24<irocksu>well basically there was a firmware upgrade. which loaded a debian kernel and stuff.
20:24<djc>if ssh is out, you are going to need to access a local console somehow
20:24<irocksu>i do not know what happens if i reboot
20:24<djc>unless there is some sort of restore procedure..
20:24<djc>neither do I
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20:24<djc>heres a uestion - do you have any irreplaceble data on this machine?
20:25<irocksu>what happens if a dist-upgrade gets killed?
20:25<user01>chealer: thanks
20:25<irocksu>and i reboot the system
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20:26<irocksu>djc... well i will not reinstall debian if that is your suggestion.
20:26<irocksu>i can mount my usb hdd to a linux if nessessary
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20:26<djc>i have no idea.. but if ssh is your only way into it, and ssh is broke and you cant get it back
20:26<djc>yeah theres an option
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20:29<user01>can i just install the sid package in lenny?
20:29<user01>i dont see a lenny equivalent
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20:29<irocksu>user01 do not do that
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20:30<user01>http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx/download
20:31<irocksu>it is possible but well, you are on your own afterwards.
20:31<user01>irocksu: it said on the debian wiki that i needed the nvidia legacy 71xx
20:31<irocksu>for what
20:32<user01>for 3d on my nvidia geforce2 gts card
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20:32<irocksu>thats wrong. try the envy project. or compiling the drivers on your own
20:33<chealer>user01: which Debian architecture do you use?
20:33<irocksu>do not install sid packages.
20:33<user01>chealer: i386
20:33<irocksu>i386
20:33<irocksu>has support for nvidia
20:34<user01>but the 71xx legacy drivers?
20:34<user01>this is an old card
20:34<chealer>user01: at first sight, that should be possible. it it isn't, APT should let you know.
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20:34<user01>and nvidia dropped support back in 2005/6
20:34<chealer>irocksu: what is the envy project?
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20:35<irocksu>http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
20:36<irocksu>its a bit messy in debian, but last time i checked it in lenny it worked
20:36<irocksu>i mean etch ... sorry
20:36<chealer>irocksu: that seems to be outdated
20:37<user01>looks like i would need ubuntu package then, envy legacy
20:38<irocksu>user01: if you really consider that then switch to ubuntu
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20:39<user01>irocksu: it is the same package for debian etch :)
20:39<user01>lenny isnt listed
20:40<chealer>user01: note that this thing is not supported at all here, it's only irocksu's suggestion.
20:40<user01>this is an older computer ubuntu would be slow on it im sure
20:40<irocksu>user01: envy are actually just scripts that automate the compilation of the drivers
20:40<irocksu>user01: then your best choice is to compile an old driver.
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20:41<djc>anyone know of a music player that will take a plalist of url's, but rather than streaming to play, will download a track before playing it?
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20:44<irocksu>djc: just curl the urls first
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20:46<irocksu>or wget
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20:49<djc>well, heres the deal.. we're talking like a list of around 15000 urls
20:50<djc>i dont want to download them all in advance
20:50<djc>just individualls
20:50<djc>individually
20:50<eric>hey whos developing debian?
20:50<djc>and what would be *really* cool, is if this player would pick one (randomly), download it, use musicbrainz to tag it, and then play it
20:50<eric>anyone here?
20:50<djc>no one but us chickens
20:51<djc>debian is a huge collection of libraries, applications, documentation, etc.. im sure there are thousands of people contributing
20:51<eric>I wanted to ask them if they could include nasm and the gcc command within a cd iso image of debian.
20:51<abrotman>eric: it's on one of the CDs ..
20:51<abrotman>!cd contents
20:51<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
20:51<abrotman>oh .. you mean on the netinet ?
20:52<abrotman>erm ..netinst
20:52<eric>yea like included with there next release.
20:52<djc>the point of netinst is that it downloads what it needs from the net
20:52<eric>nasm and gcc have always worked very greatly for me!
20:52<djc>if you want to download it ahead of time, download the full cd images
20:52<abrotman>eric: uhm .. those are in debian lready
20:52<abrotman>already
20:52<eric>if there gona release another version.
20:52<abrotman>judd: versions gcc
20:52<judd>abrotman: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 sid: 4:4.3.3-2 squeeze: 4:4.3.3-2
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20:53<eric>im using debian 5.0.0 atm
20:53<abrotman>eric: did you try to install gcc or nasm ?
20:53<eric>mayby i should by it
20:53<eric>neither
20:53<eric>I dont want to connect my computer to the network just yet.
20:53<abrotman>they're both in lenny
20:53<djc>they are already included.. go into synaptic, and
20:53<djc>sigh
20:53<abrotman>then get the CDs that have those packages .. they're on a CD
20:53<djc>then download the cd or dvd sets
20:53<abrotman>or a DVD .. whatever you want
20:53-!-eric is now known as eric_justin_allan
20:54<djc>or hell you could probably find the individuall packages.. but then you'd have to find the dependencies too
20:54<dli_>mdadm --stop just stops the array, doesn't mean deleting it, right?
20:54<djc>which is what (apt/aptitude/synaptic) do for you automatically, but you do need internet connectvity
20:54<abrotman>he just needs the CDs with those packages .. CD1 should have gcc .. might have nasm too
20:55<eric_justin_allan>there not on the debian i386 iso from debain.org.
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20:55<djc>why do you not want to connect the machine to the internet?
20:55<djc>its a few thousand times safer than connecting even a patched and updated windows box
20:55<djc>there is more than one iso
20:55<djc>debian doesnt fit on one cd, or even one dvd
20:55<abrotman>!cd contents
20:55<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
20:55<eric_justin_allan>because my left arrow key doesnt work with irc chat anymore, and its supposed to
20:55<eric_justin_allan>and yes debiand does
20:56<djc>huh?
20:56<eric_justin_allan>or did
20:56<eric_justin_allan>want a copy?
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20:56<djc>the current version of debian does NOT fit on one cd
20:56<eric_justin_allan>150bucks
20:56<djc>you *can* install base system using just the first disc
20:56<abrotman>wtf
20:56<djc>but the current debian (lenny, 5.0.0 does not fit on one disc)
20:56*eric_justin_allan chuckles
20:56<abrotman>djc: it actually fits on one blu-ray disc
20:57<djc>eric_justin_allan, do you have a blue ray disc?
20:57<djc>with all of debian 5 on it?
20:57<eric_justin_allan>hmm lemme buy one from you so you stop acting ignorant
20:57<SO_intruso>I questions?
20:57<abrotman>eric_justin_allan: stop being difficult
20:57<eric_justin_allan>no
20:57<SO_intruso>my english is bad, but...
20:58<djc>debian 5 needs 5 dvd's
20:58<djc>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/
20:58<SO_intruso>what program I'cant use in Debian for administer a remote Desktop whit WindowsXP?.
20:58<djc>all five can be downloaded there
20:58<user01>is gnash fine for youtube video playback? or flashplugin-nonfree is still needed?
20:58<abrotman>SO_intruso: rdesktop
20:58<eric_justin_allan>how many cds does it need?
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20:58<djc>31
20:58<djc>thats if you want *all* of the packages that are 'in' debian
20:58<eric_justin_allan>luagh
20:58<abrotman>in main anyways
20:58<eric_justin_allan>wow
20:58<djc>in either case, you only need the first disc to install a basic system
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20:59<eric_justin_allan>gnu freesoftware is right.
20:59<djc>wtf are you on about?
20:59<eric_justin_allan>:)
20:59*abrotman smells something funny
20:59<SO_intruso>ok, but I need administer like for example Dameware NT.
21:00<abrotman>SO_intruso: i have no idea what that is
21:00<djc>If you are implying that becuase you might have to purchase blank CD's to burn the images too, and that isnt 'free'.. you don't understand what is meant by "Free"
21:00<eric_justin_allan>hey which cds have the gcc and nasm packages?
21:00<abrotman>SO_intruso: please do not msg me
21:00<abrotman>!tell eric_justin_allan about cd contents
21:00<djc>!cd contents
21:00<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
21:01<SO_intruso>ok
21:01<shweppsie>netboot...no cd's then :)
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21:01<djc>but there is no reason not to just connect a new debian box to the Internet and let apt do its job
21:01<shweppsie>kinda complicated solution I know. But it makes the no cd point
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21:02<shweppsie>memory stick and netinstall would be better for most users I guess
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21:02<djc>or you can use that index to find which disc they are on, download the cd image, then burn it, then try that, but then you might or might not have the packages that they depend on
21:03<djc>shweppsie, i think you are answering a different question
21:03<shweppsie>indeed, nevermind lol
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21:03<shweppsie>2 weeks too late I feel
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21:03<SO_intruso>abrotman: in Windows the DAMEWARE NT is a tool for administer desktop Windows whit many options. Example: create a NEW USER, SHARE A FOLDER etc.
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21:04<djc>SO_intruso, the only way to 'administer' a windows box remotely is using something like rdesktop or vnc
21:04<abrotman>SO_intruso: i doubt there's anything like that in Debian to do things like that to a win32 machine
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21:04<SO_intruso>abrotman, I need this tool in Debian to admin a desktop win.
21:04<djc>SO_intruso, so call microsoft and ask them to write it for you.
21:04<djc>it doesnt exist
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21:05<SO_intruso>aaah ok friends.
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21:05<djc>wait for it.. wait for it
21:05<eric_justin_allan>you use microsoft intruso?
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21:05<djc>"linux sucks becuase it doesn't have a tool to remote admin a windows box"
21:06<SO_intruso>jaja so.
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21:06<SO_intruso>I new user in Debian.
21:06*djc thinks the channel is going mad
21:06<eric_justin_allan>I just wanted to recommend microsoft visual studios 2008 if yo uhave a decet size hardrive.
21:06<zulu9>just use a vnc or rdp client and install a vnc-server/enable remote desktop on the win box
21:07<zulu9>there are plenty of vnc and/or rdp clients in debian
21:07<djc>zulu9, apparently he doesnt want to do that
21:07<zulu9>well the remote desktop stuff is even built-in
21:07<zulu9>I think that's the way m$ meant it to be
21:07<djc>I suspect whatever this tool he keeps talking about is a way to remote control a windows box without anything showing up to the local user
21:07<eric_justin_allan>with a good computer you could have alot of fun just playing with thoughs tools.
21:07<Falsechicken>Can someone help me with an issue? im new and lost
21:08<abrotman>Falsechicken: just ask
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21:08<Falsechicken>ill just paste my post
21:08<djc>no
21:08<djc>!pasting
21:08<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
21:08<Falsechicken>I have a secondary hard drive i formatted in the ext3 file system and I went into the root account and made myself the owner and have all the rights to the drive. after i do that i can mount it no problem. until i restart. once i turn off the computer its like the permissions reset. It says i dont have permission to mount the drive. but when i go into the root account the permissions are still set. so i close it then it wo
21:08<Falsechicken>rks fine again. Anyone know how i can fix that? to where I can always mount the drive.
21:08<djc>just add it to /etc/fstab
21:08<djc>and it will mount on boot
21:09<Falsechicken>oh. ok thx ill try that
21:09<djc>note proper formatting in that file
21:09<djc>if you used gparted to set that up it could have added it to fstab for you
21:10<SO_intruso>abrotman, the operation is in my work, for work.
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21:11<Falsechicken>what should i say is the mount point?
21:11<djc>SO_intruso, it doesnt matter what its for.. the only way to 'remote control' a windows machine is with something like rdesktop /vnc
21:11<djc>Falsechicken, where do you want to mount it?
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21:11<djc>where do you need extra space?
21:12<Falsechicken>um. I dont know.
21:12<Falsechicken>I dont even know what a mount point is
21:12<djc>except for removable media, a linux user doesnt so much see 'drives' as individual entities
21:12<djc>everything is mounted at a particular point in the file system
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21:13<djc>/home could be a seperate drive, for example.. completely transparent
21:13<djc>there are no 'drive letters' like in MS os's
21:13<djc>look at the output of 'mount'
21:13<djc>and the existing contents of fstab
21:13<Falsechicken>yeah i see. microsoft ruined me
21:13<Falsechicken>ok
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21:14<djc>note that if you mount a new fs over an existing directory that is not empty, its previus contents will be inaccible while that fs is mounted
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21:14<Falsechicken>got them side by side
21:14<djc>generally you want to have an fs mounted on an otherwise-empty directory
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21:15<Falsechicken>so I can make the mount point anything?
21:15<Falsechicken>thats empty
21:15<djc>(anyone wants to help me explaining *nix filesystem management to Falsechicken here, feel free to jump in)
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21:15<Falsechicken>that would be nice..
21:15<djc>you have to decide where you want the space
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21:15<djc>do this
21:15<djc>df -h
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21:15<djc>and pastebin the output
21:15<djc>!pasting
21:15<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
21:16<djc>!pastebin
21:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:16<Falsechicken>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
21:16<Falsechicken>/dev/hda1 7.4G 4.9G 2.2G 70% /
21:16<Falsechicken>tmpfs 284M 0 284M 0% /lib/init/rw
21:16<Falsechicken>udev 10M 100K 10M 1% /dev
21:16<Falsechicken>tmpfs 284M 0 284M 0% /dev/shm
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21:16<djc>sigh
21:16<shweppsie>lol
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21:16<Falsechicken>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
21:16<djc>!tell Falsechicken about pastebin
21:16<Falsechicken>/dev/hda1 7.4G 4.9G 2.2G 70% /
21:16<Falsechicken>tmpfs 284M 0 284M 0% /lib/init/rw
21:16<Falsechicken>udev 10M 100K 10M 1% /dev
21:16<Falsechicken>tmpfs 284M 0 284M 0% /dev/shm
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21:17<djc>!tell Falsechicken about pastebin
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21:17<djc>!tell Falsechicken about pastebin
21:17<Falsechicken>yeah i didnt know that
21:17<djc>now you do
21:17<Falsechicken>so how do i paste it?
21:17<djc>!pastebin
21:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:17<Falsechicken>ok
21:18*djc walks over to the wall and repeatedly slams his head into it, leaving a large dent
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21:19<blarson>djc: That's not recomended procedure, dents in heads can be expensive to repair.
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21:19<djc>whos taking bets he has one huge /
21:19<shweppsie>yup
21:19<djc>blarson, Oh I can just use spackle to fill them in
21:19<Falsechicken>http://paste.debian.net/31888/
21:19<djc>Falsechicken, ok hang on while I look
21:20<Falsechicken>K
21:20<djc>how big is your new drive
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21:20<shweppsie>djc: yup
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21:20<djc>(i bet its 40G)
21:21<Falsechicken>yeah. hdb1 is the drive. its mounted now but if i restart i gotta do it again
21:21<djc>ok hang on
21:21<djc>im going to give you some more commands, to find out how much space is used where on your existing system
21:21<Falsechicken>ok
21:21<djc>actuelly, heres the first
21:22<djc>first use su to become root
21:22<djc>then
21:22<djc>cd /
21:22<djc>and du -sh home
21:22<djc>it may take a while
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21:22<djc>outout should be one line.. you're ok to paste it here
21:22<djc>outPut
21:23<Falsechicken>sh home?
21:23<djc>"du -sh home"
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21:23<Falsechicken>oh ok
21:23<shweppsie>s - summary
21:23<shweppsie>h - human sizes
21:23<djc>indeed
21:23<shweppsie>like GB instead of bytes all the time
21:23<Falsechicken>du -sh home
21:23<Falsechicken>276M home
21:23<djc>sigh
21:24<djc>ok
21:24<djc>du -sh usr
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21:24<Falsechicken>its not a big drive. its a secondary pc
21:24<Falsechicken>k
21:24<djc>(I was hoping most of the space was in home, not /usr.. home is easier to move while running
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21:25<djc>actually *is* there any reason not to do have him mount it at /usrtmp, boot up, then mv /usr/* /usrtmp, then edit fstab to mount it at /usr and have him reboot ?
21:25<djc>and not the whole 40G
21:25<djc>im gonna help him break it up
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21:25<djc>Falsechicken, I can see its an 8G drive
21:25<Falsechicken>oh. so linux will see both drives as one?
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21:26<djc>not exactly
21:26<djc>anyone? can contents of /usr be safely moved on a full running system?
21:26<Falsechicken>2.8G usr
21:26<Falsechicken> and yeah that was the one i installed on
21:26<Falsechicken>im no expert but i wouldnt think so
21:26<djc>im not asking you
21:26<djc>:P
21:26<Falsechicken>i knoe
21:26<Falsechicken>w
21:27<djc>hang on
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21:27<Falsechicken>but i would expect that i may be using somthing in that dir.
21:27<Falsechicken>k
21:27<panagos>Falsechicken: what exactly are you trying to do again? :)
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21:27<djc>panagos, he has a new larger drive
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21:28<Falsechicken>I have a secondary hard drive i formatted in the ext3 file system and I went into the root account and made myself the owner and have all the rights to the drive. after i do that i can mount it no problem. until i restart. once i turn off the computer its like the permissions reset. It says i dont have permission to mount the drive. but when i go into the root account the permissions are still set. so i close it then it wo
21:28<Falsechicken>rks fine again. Anyone know how i can fix that? to where I can always mount the drive.
21:28<djc>*my* question is, can the contents of /usr be moved around while a full system is runing
21:28<djc>Falsechicken, we're past that
21:28<panagos>you can copy them to begin with
21:28<Falsechicken>i know someone asked
21:28<djc>aha
21:28<djc>right
21:28<djc>copy
21:28<shweppsie>lol
21:28<Falsechicken>to?
21:28<djc>ok
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21:29<djc>Falsechicken, if you want, I will step you through the entire procedure of making full use of that new drive
21:29<panagos>Falsechicken: so you want to replace /usr with a new drive?
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21:29<djc>panagos, ive got it..
21:29<djc>he doesnt understand about partitions and filesysems
21:29<Falsechicken>? sure. i just wanted it to auto mount. so i dont gotta keep logging in to root.
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21:29<djc>yes, but you want it mounted somewhere it will be useful, right?
21:29<djc>or do you just want to store mp3s on it?
21:29<SO_intruso>ext3 or reiserFS, what filesystem is better and for what?
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21:30<djc>SO_intruso, this isnt google
21:30<Falsechicken>it was mostly just a place to put downloaded content and such
21:30<djc>Falsechicken, well, id use your home dir for that.. and part of what id walk you thogh would put some of the space there
21:30<djc>Falsechicken, if you want to switch to private (to avoid distraction)I will walk you through this
21:31<Falsechicken>ok
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21:32<ysela>hi
21:32<abrotman>SO_intruso: if you have to ask, use ext3
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21:33<SO_intruso>abrotman, I use reiser
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21:33<ysela>where are you from
21:33<abrotman>SO_intruso: then why are you asking us?
21:35<SO_intruso>abrotman, I prefeer reiser when reinstall all data I,cant recover.
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21:35<abrotman>!es
21:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:36<SO_intruso>abrotman, is really this afirmation.
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21:38<SO_intruso>dpkg, in channel spanish everybody sleep.
21:38<dpkg>SO_intruso: I give up, what is it?
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21:39<SO_intruso>ok ok boys no more questions for the moment.
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21:40<eric_justin_allan>ok gcc does come with debian 5.0.0 for anyone who doesnt know you just have to install the packages with the giant green N in front of them.
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21:40<eric_justin_allan>Im not finding nasm but it might just be on cd 6.
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21:42<eric_justin_allan>wow thanks again debian!
21:43<eric_justin_allan>I just wanna say that extra work you guys must put into it shows.
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22:02<Eurysilas>So...I was thinking of switching to Debian as my primary distro, for the stability. And I was looking, and I noticed Debian takes a different tack to what is on a typical install. Specifically, it seems that having 30 install CDs is considered normal. Now, I'm not here to criticize (to each their own :) ), but I cannot do 30 CDs, and my computer does not have the ability to burn DVDs.So, my question is, how much downloading would I n
22:02<Eurysilas>eed to do with the netinst disc? That is, how big is the "Standard" and "Desktop" component?
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22:03<abrotman>Eurysilas: most people use the netinst, and then get the rest of their packages via http sources
22:04<abrotman>Eurysilas: how much you download depends on what the machine will do
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22:05<djc>or you can just get the 'first' disc
22:05<djc>either dvd or cd
22:05<Eurysilas>Well, first I suppose I should ask: will the graphical installer let me choose KDE as the DM?
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22:06<abrotman>Eurysilas: there is a KDE-CD1 .. if you prefer .. but really if you're just doing one machine, the netinst is likely the most efficient
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22:08<Eurysilas>OK, but I need to know the sizes of the Desktop" and "Standard" components.....My pipe is small......:X
22:09<Eurysilas>Specifically, I only get approx. 30 KB/sec.....
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22:11<eric_justin_allan>anyone here kow how to add packages to kpackage?
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22:14<toshiaki>hi!
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22:34<Falsechicken>we got an issue
22:34<djc>eh?
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22:36<abrotman>we?
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22:37<eric_justin_allan>so anyoe gona tell me how to install packages from the debian cds?
22:37<eric_justin_allan>;)
22:38<abrotman>apt-cdrom
22:38<abrotman>!grounding
22:38<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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22:38<eric_justin_allan>thanks
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22:40<eric_justin_allan>my only problem is i forget what i read by the time I need to use the feature I read about but ill try.
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22:43<eric_justin_allan>who wrote that?
22:43<eric_justin_allan>you'r not supposed to write much ever.
22:43<eric_justin_allan>ever!
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22:43<eric_justin_allan>:(
22:43<eric_justin_allan>:)
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22:47<polishookm>mark@polishook.org
22:47<polishookm>HELP SET
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22:48<polishookm>join haskell
22:48<abrotman>polishookm: you're doing it wrong
22:48<polishookm>thanks .... where
22:48<polishookm>should i go for help
22:49<rickbot>anyone know why there's no sid kernel available?
22:49<abrotman>rickbot: there is one available
22:49<rickbot> linux-image-686-bigmem: Depends: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem but it is not installable
22:49<abrotman>judd: versions linux-image-2.6.29-1-686-bigmem
22:49<judd>abrotman: linux-image-2.6.29-1-686-bigmem -- sid: 2.6.29-1
22:49<rickbot>ok
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22:50<abrotman>though unelss you've got more than 4GB of RAM, you don't need the -bigmem
22:50<rickbot>didn't see it
22:50<abrotman>rickbot: aptitude search linux-image
22:50<rickbot>didn't see it 800MB out of 2GB
22:51<rickbot>that didn't work
22:51<abrotman>rickbot: with a -486 kernel, yes .. but you can use the regular -686 .. you don't need the -bigmem
22:51<rickbot>ok, i'll try it
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22:54<jochar>hi can someone here give me a push, im stuck with compiling lua for verlihub under debian etch
22:55<eric_justin_allan>i dont see anything about kpackage
22:55<jochar>error appears after running ./configure
22:55<eric_justin_allan>i just want istall nasm.
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22:55<stew>jochar: why are you comiling lua? why not just install it?
22:56<jochar>are there any ready packages there?
22:56<eric_justin_allan>prolly a smart bug problem
22:56<eric_justin_allan>trojan that doesnt exist on linux
22:56*eric_justin_allan shrugs
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22:57<stew>jochar: apt-cache search -n lua
22:57<jochar>okay i got that bit but now i need to get the lua plug working in verlihub
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23:04<jochar>the instructions to install that are Compiling Lua plugin for verlihub ./configure --with-luasocket < i get stuck here
23:04<jochar>The test program failed to compile or link.
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23:11<nas>guys has anyone of you tried this vserver version (2.6.28.7 -- vs2.3.0.36.8) on debian lenny?
23:11<nas>how is it?
23:11<lordurza>server version?
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23:21<nas>yup both
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23:24<jpablo_>Hi there...anybody knows a free software control for cybers?
23:24<jpablo_>there is a software, CBM but is freeware
23:25<jpablo_>and I want take the control of the cyber from my server and with free software
23:25<lordurza>...? take control of the cyber?
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23:27<jpablo_>yes, the time, the network
23:27<jpablo_>if a pc is available
23:27<lordurza>im not sure im understanding what your asking
23:27<djc>wtf is a 'cyber'
23:27<jpablo_>its similiar to http://cbm.com.ar/screenshots.htm
23:28<jpablo_>its a place with several computers
23:28<lordurza>the network monitoring cbm?
23:28<djc>virtual machines?
23:28<lordurza>The CBM or Color Bandwidth Meter displays current traffic of all network device. This program is so simple that is should be self-explanatory.
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23:29<lordurza>iv never used it
23:29<jpablo_>but is freeware
23:29<djc>ok.. you can monitor bandwidth
23:29<jpablo_>I want a free software
23:29<djc>what does that have to do with 'take control'
23:29<djc>you want a different program to monitor bandwidth
23:29<djc>that is "Free"
23:29<djc>am I correct?
23:29<lordurza>autofocus?
23:29<jpablo_>so so
23:30<jpablo_>for example,with cbm I can know if a pc is free or busy
23:30<djc>ok so more than monitor bandwidth
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23:30<lordurza>http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html
23:30<lordurza>there is a whole list of them
23:30<djc>there is mrtg.. its a graphic tool
23:31<djc>graphiNG
23:31<djc>but you'd still need a way to retrieve the data for it to graph
23:31<lordurza>might be helpful since there is lots of different kinds available
23:31<jpablo_>and for the control of the time of the computers?
23:31<lordurza>perhaps cpanel/webmin
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23:32<jpablo_>for example, anybody rents a pc for 1 hour.
23:32<lordurza>cgi over webserver :o
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23:32<lordurza>check into ipband
23:32<jpablo_>I want know how time has that pc free
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23:34<jpablo_>Ok...I will carry on looking for a answer, thanks
23:34<jpablo_>excuseme for my bad english :P
23:34<lordurza>if your interested in your entire network you can prob config a *nix router/firewall to just capture and report to you
23:34<lordurza>such as bandwidth per pc
23:34<lordurza>or per ip rather
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23:35<lordurza>if its the entire network would be far easier to monitor it from a firewall then each pc
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23:35<jpablo_>For network is easy, but for know the status of a pc is complicated
23:36<jpablo_>yes I am reading
23:36<jpablo_>thanks lordurza
23:36<eric_justin_allan>wow
23:37<jpablo_>me too :)
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23:38<nas>anyone knows a debian package that restrict a web server from being used for mass mail?
23:38-!-arndtroide [~arndot@port-92-196-42-183.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #debian
23:39<nas>coz web server usually provides mailing function but if i want to restrict mass mailing, is there a package for that?
23:42<lordurza>which mail server are you using exim?
23:42<lordurza>you prob just need to config it O.o
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23:42<lordurza>rtfm ;p
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23:45<joey_>hello
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23:48<nas>oh ok
23:48<nas>lorduza: thanks i'll try
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23:57<zekAtreides> does anyone have experience using brickos on a debian lenny install. i cant get the IR tower to work on a serial (RS232) port to work
23:59<zekAtreides>is there a way to know what the /dev ..... of my rs232 serial port is?
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