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00:10<pwcca>how do i get apt-cdrom?
00:11<pwcca>i did apt-get install apt-cdrom and it cant find it
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00:13<bevan>pwcca, I've never had to do that........ did you install from CD?
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00:24<stefan_>hello
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00:25<bevan>hi
00:28<kop>pwcca: What is apt-cdrom?
00:29<pwcca>[11:35 00] <adama_> !apt-cdrom
00:29<pwcca>[11:35 00] <dpkg> apt-cdrom is, like, used to add new CDROMs to apt's list of available sources. Ask me about <apt-cdrom_external>.
00:29<fxiny>apt-cdrom is part of apt --> /usr/bin/apt-cdrom
00:29<pwcca>ohh ok
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00:52<ciphertext>hi
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00:58<pwcca>how can i use apt-get to check and see if a package is installed
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01:03<bhagya>hi all, good morning
01:03<ga_bash>pwcca, “aptitude search ´~N´ edit” will list all “new” packages and all packages whose name contains “edit”.
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01:04<bhagya>i am unable to create folders in home folder, i am using lenny
01:04<Woet>could you be a little clearer?
01:04<Woet>As in, what are you trying to do, which error do you get, etc.
01:05<bhagya>i did check the properties, but permissions is for root only. how do i change the permissions ?
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01:08<pollopolis>bhagya, man chmod
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01:08<pollopolis>and chown
01:08<ga_bash>bhagya, you have to set the write permissions for all
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01:09<ga_bash>chmod u+r /home
01:09<ga_bash>chmod a+w /home
01:09<ga_bash>the second one bhagya
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01:09<pollopolis>bhagya, who is te owner of the files?
01:09<ga_bash>pollopolis, its probably the root
01:09<ga_bash>;)
01:10<bhagya>yes, it is the root
01:10<ga_bash>bhagya, first log in as root
01:10<ga_bash>then the `chmod` command change the permission..
01:10<bhagya>ok
01:10<ga_bash>log out and check.
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01:11<ga_bash>its funny though that /home is owned by the root.. lol
01:11<weechat_user>hi
01:12<pollopolis>sorry, i think he was talking about the home of a user :P
01:12<pollopolis>inside
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01:19<bhagya>when i log out and try to login in as root, it is not permitting me
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01:39<``rysh``>hi, what is this moreblue-orbit kdmtheme thing ? ... i have set UseTheme=false in kdmrc and still KDM from kde4.2.1 tries to use this thing which can not befound so kdm can not be started
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01:43<``rysh``>Even when i set in kdmrc "Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/true-nature" it still tries to find moreblue-orbit ... why?
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01:49<goodger>``rysh``: have you set UseTheme=false for root, or just you? kdm is run as root, I believe
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01:50<bhagya>When I try to login from login screen, i am receiving the following error "The system administrator is not allowed to login from this screen".
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01:51<goodger>bhagya: what part of that are you having difficulty with?
01:51<bhagya>right now i am in login window preferences, i am at loss about how to configure root login
01:51<goodger>ah
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01:52<goodger>under security tab, check the "allow local system administrator login" box
01:52<bhagya>i would like to change permissions, can i change using the root terminal instead of logging onto the root ?
01:52<goodger>but you should not log in as root in a graphical system
01:52<bhagya>ok
01:52<goodger>yes, you can change permissions using root terminal
01:52<bhagya>thank god
01:53<goodger>thank you, but I'll decline
01:53<bhagya>chmod, is this right command
01:53<goodger>yes
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01:54<pollopolis>bhagya, edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
01:54<bhagya>ok
01:55<``rysh``>goodger: i set "UseTheme=false" in both /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc ... but still it tries to find the moreblue-orbit theme thing ... which does not excists
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01:56<``rysh``>This is system wide ..
01:56<goodger>``rysh``: in that case, I'm afraid I can't help you
01:56<``rysh``>OK ... no problem
01:56<``rysh``>just wanted to run kde4.2.1 with KDM ... now have installed gdm to have a DM at least
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01:59<pollopolis>``rysh``, do you instrall kde4 from experimental or sid?
01:59<``rysh``>from experimental ... could not do from sid yet
01:59<``rysh``>no plasma in sid ...
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02:00<pollopolis>i will wait some more time :P
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02:00<fookers>hi
02:01<``rysh``>pollopolis: :-) can do ... i heard 4.2.2 will come to sid soon ... then will disable experimental again and just upgrade from sid again
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02:03<beer>There was some talk yeasterday in debian-kde and it looks like "soon" is 1 or 2 weeks
02:04<``rysh``>aha ... ok, not so soon then :-)
02:05<beer>last week sone was around 1 week, but the they ran into some problems
02:06<``rysh``>i did read this info on the mailing list
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02:09<wzssyqa>how many people here
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02:17<wzssyqa>why in sid ,iceweasel is still in 3.0.7?
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02:17<goodger>wzssyqa: because that is the latest release of iceweasel (except for 3.0.8, which has presumably not been packaged yet)
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02:23<beer>and why is x server in sid not been updated to 1.5 or 1.6 yet?
02:25<goodger>beer: the current version number of xserver-xorg in sid is 1:7.3+18
02:25<fxiny>goodger: there is a "pseudo DSA" : debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org -> From: Moritz Muehlenhoff -> Subject: [SECURITY] [DSA 1753-1] End-of-life announcement for Iceweasel in oldstable . snip :"On a side note, please note that the Debian stable/Lenny version of Iceweasel - the unbranded version of the Firefox browser - links dynamically against the Xulrunner library. As such, most of the vulnerabilities found in Fire
02:26<wzssyqa>i ever think that sid is newest
02:26<goodger>fxiny: thanks. probably best tell wzssyqa instead
02:26<fxiny>oops
02:26<fxiny>goodger: yes :)
02:26<fxiny>wzssyqa: ^^^
02:30<beer>goodger: xserver-xorg-core is still 1.4.2
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02:30<goodger>beer: is that a problem?
02:31<goodger>beer: as you could see if you looked at packages.qa.debian.org for yourself, 1.5 is currently in experimental, so presumably it is not ready for general use yet
02:31<beer>yes becouse there have been som opimaztion in 1.5 for kde 4
02:33<Danny>Anyone know any good guides to setup a working mail server that'll can send and receive mail?
02:35<Woet>How would I update my machine to use SSL 3.0 rather than 2.0?
02:36<Danny>What debian version are you on?
02:38<franklin>Woet: AFAIK, that's negotiated between client and server. Please clarify what "machine" is? (which software, and version, on both sides)
02:38<Woet>franklin: Running a my web security tool, it says the server is outdated and uses SSL 2.0 rather than SSL 3.0
02:38<Woet>which is a security isk
02:38<Woet>+ r
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02:39<Danny>Woet: Did you do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
02:39<Woet>Danny: Yes.
02:39<Woet>everything from apache is up to date
02:39<Danny>hmm.
02:40<Woet>everything on the entire machine is up to date actually
02:40<Danny>okay.
02:40<Woet>'The remote service encrypts traffic using an old deprecated protocol with known weaknesses. '
02:40<Woet>How to fix this vulnerability: 'Disable SSL 2.0 and use SSL 3.0 or TLS 1.0 instead.'
02:40<Danny>Backup your apache2 configs and such then try
02:40<Danny>apt-get purge apache2 && apt-get install apache2
02:40<Danny>that'll remove everything
02:40<Danny>and then reinstall
02:40<fxiny>what security tool is that ?
02:41<Woet>fxiny: Web Vulnerability Scanner
02:41<Woet>from Acunetix
02:41<Woet>Danny: I already got something interesting when searching for 'apache2 disable "SSL 2.0"', rather than 'apache2 update SSL' which I searched for earlier :p
02:41<Danny>Woet: weird :p
02:44<franklin>Danny: SSL2,3 and TLS1 are available and negotiated by default, see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslprotocol
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02:44<Danny>I personally don't use apache.
02:44<franklin>Danny: consider "SSLProtocol all -SSLv2"
02:44<Danny>Lighttpd for me :)
02:45<Danny>And Woet is having the security flaw problem.
02:45<Woet>franklin: Yea, I'm trying that right now
02:46<franklin>Danny: sorry for the mistake.
02:46<Danny>NP
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03:00<el>hola
03:00<el>hay alguien
03:00<el>????????'''''
03:01<dondelelcaro>!es
03:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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03:32<wzssyqa>help:i use sid, source have a newer package,but apt-get upgrade have no to update,why?
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03:33<fxiny>scud is chewing it :P
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03:37<powerpc>hi, does anyone know how to "install" the zydas1211 drivers? i downlaoded from sourceforge and put the files into /lib/firmware/zd1211, but now i'm not sure what to do
03:38<gsimmons>powerpc: You don't need to use the vendor driver.
03:38<gsimmons>!tell powerpc -about zd1211rw
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03:42<powerpc>gsimmons: thanks for the link. does that mean that it should work out of the box w/o installing anything if i have a recent kernel?
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03:43<Kilerhageman>irc1@F0rums:~/helper$ ./helper.py
03:43<Kilerhageman>: No such file or directory
03:43<gsimmons>powerpc: You're only required to provide firmware for the driver.
03:43<Kilerhageman>What's the clue? :o
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03:45<Kilerhageman>irc1@F0rums:~/helper$ ./helper.py
03:45<Kilerhageman>: No such file or directory
03:45<Kilerhageman>?
03:45<Kilerhageman>it DOES exist
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03:45<powerpc>it turns out i actually don't have the zydas chipset but the SiS163 chipset :-( is there a "ndswrapper"-like utility for powerpcs? (iMac G3)
03:46<powerpc>"ndiswrapper"*
03:46<gsimmons>powerpc: Not that I'm aware. NDISwrapper is x86/x86-64 only.
03:47<powerpc>or better yet, does anyone know if there's any solution to using a SiS163 chipset wifi stick w/ a powerpc architecture?
03:47<powerpc>gsimmons: ya, it sucks that ndiswrapper is only for intel/amd and not powerpc
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03:55<clodde>i'm having random lockups problems, now my pc locked up again but i can still ssh into it, where should i look for clues on what's happening?
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03:56<Nemoder>clodde: dmesg and /var/log/
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04:00<Woet>Kilerhageman: do you have permissions to it?
04:00<Woet>and are you absolutely sure it exists, with caps/spaces etc?
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04:02<Kilerhageman>yes
04:02<Kilerhageman>I have permissions, it exists, and capitals are even right
04:03<Kilerhageman>because nano helper.py does work..
04:03<clodde>Nemoder: http://pastebin.com/dcda7246
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04:03<clodde>Nemoder: http://pastebin.com/m36a47295
04:03<clodde>Nemoder: any idea would be welcome
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04:04<Nemoder>does the timestamp on the log correspond to when it froze?
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04:04<bhagya>for /home and /usr, owner and group are root, how do i change so that i can view and edit the files ?
04:05<Nemoder>bhagya: you can use chown, but you probably shouldn't allow writing outside your home directory
04:07<bhagya>I have created only one user account at the time of installation
04:07<clodde>Nemoder: yes, it locked up at 9:41:44 if you meant to say that, it doesn't seem to log anything else but ssh is still working
04:08<clodde>Nemoder: i was playng Nexuiz at the time, the screen is still displaying an image from the game
04:08<Nemoder>clodde: you could try shutting down smartd and see if it still locks up
04:09<Nemoder>bhagya: use su or sudo to gain root privs temporarily
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04:10<bhagya>i am already in root terminal
04:10<clodde>Nemoder: /etc/init.d/smartd stop is this the command?
04:11<Nemoder>clodde: yes, that should work
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04:11<Nemoder>clodde: if it's not related to smartd it may be a heat issue with the videocard
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04:11<nas>anybody knows how to solve this error
04:11<nas>http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12816
04:11<Nemoder>clodde: might also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:12<clodde>Nemoder: i already changed the video card, ram and motherboard
04:12<clodde>Nemoder: and tried another kernel
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04:13<clodde>Nemoder: i was thinking about the Seagate disks
04:13<clodde>Nemoder: or the raid software itself
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04:14<clodde>Nemoder: /etc/init.d/smartd stop won't work on debian.. looking for the right one
04:15<nas>i tried gcc-4.1 and gcc-3.4 both cannot work for this vserver kernel version --> linux-2.6.22.19.tar.bz2
04:15<Nemoder>clodde: looks like it's part of smartmontools, might try checking the docs on that or just remove it temporarily
04:16<clodde>Nemoder: if i just aptitude remove smartmontools?
04:17<Nemoder>clodde: yes that would remove it
04:18<nas>dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
04:18<nas>how to solve this error?
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04:19<clodde>Nemoder: ok, done, now is there anything i can do before rebooting to search for any further clues? maybe the Xorg log would be interesting
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04:20<Nemoder>definitely check xorg log, especially if the freezes are happening in 3d apps/games
04:20<Nemoder>could just be video driver crash
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04:23<sunset46>hello
04:23<sunset46>can anyone help me get my HP printer going using Ubuntu?
04:24<Nemoder>!ubuntu
04:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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04:24<sunset46>ok thank you
04:25<clodde>Nemoder: Xorg.log seems ok to me, if you care to take a look, especially to the last few lines: http://pastebin.com/df8aa41c
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04:25<nas>hi i get this error in debian gcc package anyone help please
04:26<nas>dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
04:27<Nemoder>clodde: I have no kind words for ATI drivers, but I don't see any obvious (EE)
04:27<clodde>Nemoder: i'm using the open drivers
04:28<Nemoder>clodde: might check what processes are still running with ps -A
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04:29<Nemoder>clodde: if it's just the game that is locked could try killall nexuiz -9
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04:30<clodde>Nemoder: killal - A http://pastebin.com/d2857fb75
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04:30<Nemoder>clodde: killall nexuiz-linux-68 -9
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04:31<Nemoder>clodde: if that doesn't bring the display back you might have to kill xorg too
04:32<clodde>Nemoder: nexuiz-linux-68: no process killed
04:32<clodde>Nemoder: i'm sure nexuiz isn't the culprit, it happened before and i wasn't playng
04:32<Nemoder>ah
04:33<clodde>Nemoder: why didn't kill it?
04:33<Nemoder>oh i think the process names got cut off, probably nexuiz-linux-686
04:33<clodde>ok
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04:33<clodde>Nemoder: killing the pid?
04:34<Nemoder>ya kill 29994 should work too in that case
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04:36<clodde>Nemoder: well, killing the pid worked, now i just got the wrong relolution but i'm back at my desktop, i''l just relogin
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04:36<clodde>Nemoder: sometimes pc won't respond to ssh though
04:37<Nemoder>if something is going wrong with the disks or raid where it can't access it then it might not respond to anything
04:37<Nemoder>I don't know enough about it to troubleshoot beyond that though
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04:38<clodde>Nemoder: too bad i recently built this pc with a nice raid and i got this problem
04:38<clodde>Nemoder: anyway thanks a lot for your help
04:39<Nemoder>np, maybe removing smartd will clear it up
04:39<clodde>Nemoder: i'll sure check that
04:39<Nemoder>although it might be better to find somebody who's more familiar with it to find out what the real problem is
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04:40<clodde>Nemoder: you know if someone here is familiar with smartd, raid and such things?
04:40<Nemoder>I don't know, if they are and they want to help then wait around and they might respond :)
04:41<clodde>ok, thanks
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04:45<viashin>hi
04:45<viashin>i am new in here
04:45<viashin>german ?
04:45<viashin>english?
04:46<viashin>what is the spoken language?
04:46<Nemoder>english.
04:46<cahoot>english(-ish)
04:47<viashin>ah ok
04:47<nas>anyone knows how to solve the error?
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04:47<nas>http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12816
04:47<viashin>well, to ask a question, shall i post it into the chan or some special member?
04:47<Nemoder>!ask
04:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
04:47<b1ll>!ask
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04:47<viashin>thanks
04:48<ZeroCide>does anyone know if the latest kernel for debian amd64 is 2.6.26-1-amd64?
04:49<ZeroCide>it would be for deb5
04:49<Nemoder>ZeroCide: in Lenny, yes
04:49<ZeroCide>oh ok
04:49<viashin>Well, it is not a technical question, i never used debian or even another linux distr. my question aims at the marvell sheevaplug. does anyone know when possibly a debian installer is out for this cute machine?
04:49<ZeroCide>i was going to compile the latest one from kernel.org
04:49<ZeroCide>but i guess i can recompile this one
04:50<ZeroCide>do you know where i can obtain the source for it Nemoder? so i can make adjustments to the current kernel for tweaking the sys_tic and hz_user
04:50<ZeroCide>?
04:50<ZeroCide>that and if you know any links to tutorials on how to rebuild the deb5 lenny kernel would be great as this will be my first rebuild of a debian kernel
04:50<ZeroCide>heh
04:50<Nemoder>ZeroCide: I've never had a problem using the latest from kernel.org
04:50<ZeroCide>im used to re-building centos / fedora kernerls
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04:51<ZeroCide>well Nemoder do you use vuurmuur firewall
04:51<ZeroCide>?
04:51<Nemoder>ZeroCide: but you can apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64
04:51<ZeroCide>ok yeah
04:51<Nemoder>no, I don't
04:51<ZeroCide>cause i couldnt find the uh, 2.6.29 w/e amd64
04:51<ZeroCide>kernel source
04:52<Nemoder>it's all the same source on kernel.org
04:52<ZeroCide>so i guess it would of failed anyways trying to compile/build then use a 32bit kernel on a 64bit install
04:52<ZeroCide>oh ok
04:52<ZeroCide>so it wouldnt matter then?
04:52<Nemoder>when you configure the kernel you set what arch to build it for
04:52<ZeroCide>ahh
04:53<ZeroCide>you know any good sites with walkthroughs for rebuilding the deb kernel or is it basically the same as centos?
04:53<Nemoder>!kernel-package
04:53<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps>
04:54<bevan>when using gnome desktop, how can I put applications in the startup?
04:55<clodde>!pastebin
04:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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04:57<ZeroCide>thanks Nemoder ill give it a shit
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04:57<ZeroCide>if i disappear
04:57<ZeroCide>you know something went wrong
04:57<ZeroCide>lol
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04:57<Nemoder>if you do it the Debian Way it will keep your old kernel so you can switch back if it fails
04:58<ZeroCide>apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev so do <-- that then print out the README huh
04:59<Nemoder>yes, those are tools to help build a .deb file from kernel source, much easier to manage than just a raw kernel image
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05:05<ZeroCide>btw Nemoder you should really checkout vuurmuur
05:05<ZeroCide>its a wonderfull firewall system
05:05<ZeroCide>:)
05:05<ZeroCide>and it runs ontop of iptables
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05:05<gsimmons>viashin: Debian's 2.6.29 kirkwood kernel image has SheevaPlug support, but there's little support in d-i as yet, as there's quite a few possible installation options. You might want to subscribe to the debian-arm mailing list for future updates.
05:06<Nemoder>ZeroCide: I'm happy to just use iptables directly
05:07<ZeroCide>well google vuurmuur :p i thought i was happy to use iptables directly and only as well
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05:07<ZeroCide>until i saw the features of vuurmurr
05:07<ZeroCide>it also supports packet shaping
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05:07<ZeroCide>if your into that
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05:12<ciro>is there a package that downloads virtualbox-ose kernel modules so I can have them compiled with the kernel?
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05:12<bhagya>i am in root terminal #grub, i would like to encrypt password for security as given in securing debian. do i need to type root password or username password
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05:17<nielsle>I want to perform, apt-get upgrade, but in the process I run out of disk space. I can solve this problem by repeating the following cycle many times: apt-get install <a single package> ;apt-get clean; This takes a lot of time. Is there a better and more automatic way to upgrade my system?
05:17<bhagya>i am using lenny
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05:25<bhagya>hi all. i am using lenny, right now i am in root console - grub. i would like to encrypt the password. but i am loss about which password should i provide. is it username or root password. please guide me.
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05:31<simonrvn>bhagya: the grub password.
05:32<bhagya>"grub-md5-crypt" i have set a password by using the command at root terminal
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05:33<bhagya>and now what should i do after i have encryption of the apssword
05:33<bhagya>password
05:33<simonrvn>info grub
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05:36<bhagya>there is no password option in "info grub"
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05:42<simonrvn>bhagya: do this once you're booted: less /boot/grub/menu.lst
05:42<simonrvn>and look for 'password'
05:44<valdyn>nielsle: get more diskspace
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05:45<bhagya>should i use root terminal
05:46<bhagya>at present there is no folder named less
05:46<nielsle>valdyn: That is one solution. Alternatively I could write a script that parsed the output from apt-get update and installed one package at a time :)
05:47<bhagya>i will reboot the system and revert back 2 u
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05:47<valdyn>nielsle: so youll run out of diskspace a week later, bad idea
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05:52<bhagya>i have type less/etc/boot/grub/menu.lst and it has shown the following error message : No such file or directory
05:53<bhagya>and i am also unable to edit the menu.lst file inspite of using this command in root terminal : gedit /etc/boot/grub/menu.lst
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05:54<adb>gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
05:58<bhagya>is this place where we have to set encrypted password
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06:18<TITI``>Hi !
06:18<bevan>greetings TITI``
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06:18<TITI``>I need help about server mumble with dbus for lot of server on the host
06:19<TITI``>sorry bad english i am french :@
06:19<adb>debian-fr ca existe
06:19<TITI``>ty :)
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06:37<JakeyF>How can I keep-alive a SSH connection to my server?
06:37<JakeyF>It always 'connection timed out'
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06:38<cahoot>isn't there a keep-alive option in sshd.conf?
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06:39<JakeyF>cahoot: Where is that?
06:39<petern>man ssh / ssh_config
06:40<cahoot> TCPKeepAlive
06:41<cahoot>else run an instance of irssi #debian in screen ;)
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06:54<JakeyF>How do I start Mysql
06:55<Maulkin> /etc/init.d/mysql start
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06:57<Washi>hello people; I have a Canon Pixma inkjet, IP1800
06:57<Washi>searched the net
06:57<Washi>but I cannot set the printer up
06:57<Washi>I found tons of ubuntu packages; won't install
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06:58<Washi>I tried my luck with alien - installed everything, but still won't print
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06:58<Washi>has anyone set this thing up under debian or does anyone know precompiled binaries specifically for Debian
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07:01<Washi>no one?
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07:11<noppe>can someone explain to me what "Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -314705834 ns)" means?
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07:20<adb>google search : Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -314705834 n)
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08:08<jaycee>hi, wud like to continuw wifi problem session with djc yesterday morning (i'm in Aisa, 12 hrs ahead) ?????
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08:10<gsimmons>jaycee: Did you install the 'firmware-ralink' package from non-free, as requested previously?
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08:11<jaycee>ok. great gsimmons. I had both ralink and network-tools install thru synatics...reboot and no luck...
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08:12<jaycee>wait, ive error msg to report..
08:13<jaycee>during boot time i saw some error with wlan0 and dmesg showed that "phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: error - Failed to reuest Firmware."...
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08:14<nazcafan>hello
08:14<gsimmons>jaycee: Doesn't look as if you haven't. Ask dpkg about non-free sources (/msg dpkg non-free sources), then install the 'firmware-ralink' package.
08:14<gsimmons>s/haven't/have/
08:15<nazcafan>jacee which chipset do you use ?
08:15<nazcafan>err
08:15<nazcafan>jaycee, which chipset do you use?
08:16<gsimmons>nazcafan: We've previously identified it as a RT2501USB (RT73).
08:16<nazcafan>all right
08:16<jaycee>do i have to it once more with synaptic (sceptical to peeform from terminal)?????? I am sorry, I am a noob. are you referring to the driver (firmware)???
08:16<nazcafan>jaycee, no
08:16<jaycee>gie me more hints pls...I know Windows term....
08:16<nazcafan>a firmware is a bunch of code that is run by the device itself
08:17<nazcafan>jaycee, the device needs a firmware in order to run
08:17<jaycee>yes..yes..it is rt73usb (???)
08:18<jaycee>i have installed ralink (inludes rt73usb) thru synaptic....
08:18<nazcafan>jaycee, as gsimmons told you all the firmwares for ralink chipsets are provided through a package
08:18<nazcafan>jaycee, can you be more specific about the package you installed?
08:19<nazcafan>ralink is not a package name
08:19<nazcafan>the package you should have installed now is called "firmware-ralink"
08:20<jaycee>I will go to retrieve the package names I installed, give me a second....
08:20<nazcafan>jayce : just search "firmware-ralink" in synaptic and check whether it is installed (green square), or not
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08:22<nazcafan>jaycee, if you _really_ want to be sure, the firmware files are installed by the package in the folder /lib/firmware
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08:22<nazcafan>so you can just open a terminal and "ls /lib/firmware" and check whether rt73.bin or something like it is available
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08:24<jaycee>ok. i search per instruction and found firmware-ralink on the left pane (under All). but it is not in /lib/firmware...
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08:25<nazcafan>jaycee, is the package installed?
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08:26<jaycee>i recalled i had installed. But now, there's nothing in synaptic say its been installed.....
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08:28<nazcafan>jayce, close synaptic
08:28<nazcafan>then, open a terminal
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08:28<nazcafan>just type su
08:28<nazcafan>then type the root password
08:28<nazcafan>then, type apt-get install firmware-ralink
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08:29<jaycee>does this requies network linkage???
08:30<nazcafan>I suppose that yes
08:30<nazcafan>unless the package was previously downloaded and is on you machine cache
08:30<jaycee>pls give me a second. I am connecting the wired network first....
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08:39<ZeRoCoOL>hello
08:39<ZeRoCoOL>can some1 help me with a little problem?:)
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08:39<squelos>hi all
08:39<ZeRoCoOL>hy
08:40<ZeRoCoOL>:D
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08:40<gsimmons>ZeRoCoOL: You'll need to describe it first.
08:40<gsimmons>!tell ZeRoCoOL -about ask
08:40<squelos>how are you people doing ?
08:40<ZeRoCoOL>ops
08:40<ZeRoCoOL>sry
08:40<squelos>has anyone installed second life on his linux ?
08:40<Lenovo_>after reconnecting to irc, jaycee is becoming lenove now (don't know why). OK. the apt-get install report eith error "couldn't find firmware-ralink....
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08:41<gsimmons>Lenovo_: Again, you need add non-free sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
08:41<gsimmons>!non-free sources
08:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
08:41<gsimmons>Lenovo_: ^^^^^
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08:42<ZeRoCoOL>I have a problem compiling a new kernel. I Have Devian 4.0 and I want to compile the latest version of kernel for 4.0 because my verlihub freezez in the actual version of kernel 2.6.18.1-686
08:43<ZeRoCoOL>And there is one more thing.. i installer debian with generic.all_generice_ide=1 because my S-ATA Drive was not detected. Where can i enable S-ATA support when I'm compiling the new kernel? in Device Drivers?
08:45<ZeRoCoOL>and i forgot.. can u tell me what is the latest version of kernel that works with debian 4.0 ? Because i tried to compile 2.6.29.1 :)
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08:46<ZeRoCoOL>and after I compiled 2.6.29.1 and run it it gives me the folowing error output: VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0)
08:46<ZeRoCoOL>Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are available partitions: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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08:49<ZeRoCoOL>I have a problem compiling a new kernel. I Have Devian 4.0 and I want to compile the latest version of kernel for 4.0 because my verlihub freezez in the actual version of kernel 2.6.18.1-686
08:49<ZeRoCoOL>And there is one more thing.. i installer debian with generic.all_generice_ide=1 because my S-ATA Drive was not detected. Where can i enable S-ATA support when I'm compiling the new kernel? in Device Drivers?
08:49<ZeRoCoOL><ZeRoCoOL> and i forgot.. can u tell me what is the latest version of kernel that works with debian 4.0 ? Because i tried to compile 2.6.29.1 :)
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08:49<ZeRoCoOL><ZeRoCoOL> and after I compiled 2.6.29.1 and run it it gives me the folowing error output: VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0)
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08:55<jaycee>hello, hello, jaycee is back after fixing trouble to switch network...
08:56<squelos>oh hi
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08:58<coucouf>ZeRoCoOL: etch-backports has linux 2.6.26 packages, adapt instructions from http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions to etch
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09:03<nadie>hi! anyone having trouble with libgstladspa.so and brasero on SID AMD64? Thanks
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09:08<squelos>what is that nadie ?
09:08<squelos>Im a newb
09:08<squelos>but i could try to see
09:08<squelos>ive got a amd64 sid
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09:08<nadie>on an update, i think the dependencies broke brasero
09:09<nadie>can you run it?
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09:09<squelos>yeah i can.
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09:09<squelos>So i type what : aptitude install brasero ?
09:09<squelos>or aptitude install libgstladspa.so first ?
09:10<nadie>no just aptitude install brasero and update your system
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09:11<squelos>what is brasero ?
09:11<squelos>im installing it
09:11<nadie>cd & dvd burning program
09:11<squelos>but libgstladspa.so isnt in the dependencies :s
09:11<nadie>gstreamer i think
09:11<squelos>oh ok
09:12<legnaleurc>That is come from ''gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
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09:12<legnaleurc>You may remove it if no package depends on it
09:12<nadie>isn't it needed?
09:13<legnaleurc>I dont know, you should check it by yourself
09:13<squelos>its installed but brasero wont launch -_-
09:13<nadie>thank you so much!!!!
09:13<nadie>it works again!!
09:13<squelos>:D
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09:14<nadie>just typed aptitude purge gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and brasero worked again
09:15<nadie>why was that installed if no program uses it?
09:16<legnaleurc>Some packages depends it, but you did not completly remove those packages
09:16<legnaleurc>maybe
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09:16<nadie>ok thanks
09:16<nadie>how can I seach and clean orphan packages? i new but forgot it
09:17<legnaleurc># deborphan | xargs aptitude purge -y
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09:18<legnaleurc>or # aptitude purge -y '~c|~o'
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09:24<newbie123>Hi
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09:25<newbie123> I am trying to get a tftp server running (using tftpd) ....I am able to copy files from the tftp server but not to it
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09:25<newbie123>please advise
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09:29<beer>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases/5.0.1 <- says that debian 5.0.1 shoul yesterday. Is that still true?
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09:31<squelos>please, does anyone know how to install second life ? I cant get it running :s
09:31<djc>newbie123, is the directory you have tftp set up to use world-writable?
09:31<squelos>and i think my GPU might be damaged by too much overclocking :s
09:31<djc>why using tftp anyway?
09:32<djc>the only good reason is when the remote device you want to copy files between only support tftp
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09:32<djc>beer, it says that what? "shoul yesterday" - > cannot parse
09:33<beer>sould be released
09:33<newbie123>yes i gave chmod 777
09:34<huy>heloooooooooooooooo
09:34<huy>I am friendly
09:34<djc>beer, what difference does it make? its just an incremental update.. if you mark upgrades from within synaptic or aptitide it will catch them
09:34<djc>you arent going to get a new cd set for a .0.1
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09:35<djc>newbie123, check log files for messages? do you get an error? again, are you using tftp becuase the device you want to copy files from supports nothing else?
09:35<newbie123>no i believ the device i use supports scp
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09:36<newbie123>ok got it
09:36<newbie123>thanks
09:36<djc>the main uses of tftp are netbooting (which only involves GETting files via tftp), upgrading the firmware in embedded devices (again, only reading), or occasionally saving config files (which could require writing)
09:36<djc>tftp isnt really a general purpose mechanism for transferring files
09:37<djc>!tftp
09:37<dpkg>[tftp] the Trivial File Transer Protocol, an insecure file transfer protocol without authentication designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. To establish a TFTP server on Etch, "aptitude install tftpd-hpa && invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart", place content to be served in /var/lib/tftpboot
09:37<newbie123>yes i am using it for a wireless controller which supports transferrring files to server via scp tftp etc ...so i was just trying tftp as we have no security concerns here...it is just a lab
09:38<djc>if its supports scp that would be simpler to setup
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09:38<djc>just install and run sshd
09:38<linx>#debian
09:39<djc>linx, yes, it is
09:39<linx>ssssss
09:39<newbie123>ok thanks
09:39<linx>ssssss
09:39<djc>linx the test of your 's' key is successful. it is working
09:39<linx>sssssss
09:40<linx>yes
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09:41<djc>however, using irc to test keys seems a bit overkill.. it might be simpler just to open up a terminal or editor and test keys there
09:41<djc>:P
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09:42<linx>fuck off
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09:42<djc>likewise
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09:43<linx>mother fucker
09:43<Pitxyoki>:o
09:43<djc>rofl
09:43<djc>did you need some help with Debian? or did you just come here to test your s key and swear at people?
09:44<linx>залупа
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09:44<djc>!ru
09:44<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
09:44<linx>Гандоны че это ваще за чат?????
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09:45<coucouf>djc: haha, what are you going to answer to that ? :)
09:45<djc>
09:45<djc>Этот канал на английском канале. Для получения справки на русском языке, попробуйте # Debian-русский на irc.freenode.net
09:45<niceguyuk>Post-install, how do I install the "laptop" package that was offered in the software selection screen of the install process?
09:45<djc>!taskselect
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09:46<cahoot>tasksel?
09:46<djc>!tasksel
09:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (eg. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel
09:46<djc>aha
09:46<djc>hey I was close
09:46<niceguyuk>nice one, thanks
09:46<niceguyuk>not sure why it wouldn't let me select earlier, so nice to know I can come back to it
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09:48<linx>I am fuck Barack Obama!!!!!ufyljys
09:49<linx>гандоны
09:49<coucouf>ok, then simply apt-get remove barack-obama
09:49<coucouf>or wasn't that about Debian ?
09:49<djc>Нет, вы мудак. Перейти беспокоить некоторых других каналов с ломаном английском языке.
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09:50<djc>tasksel democrat
09:50<djc>Warning: this task conflicts with task republican - do you want to continue?
09:50<linx>translate for rassia
09:50<djc>Yep
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09:51<linx>Я КОММУНИСТ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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09:52<djc>Если вам нужна помощь с Debian Linux, это то место, если вы говорите по-английски. Если вам нужна помощь в Debian на русском языке, попробуйте канала упоминалось ранее. Если вы только что здесь будет раздражать, уходи.
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09:53<linx>Напомните русския канал!!!!
09:54<djc>Этот канал на английском канале. Для получения справки на русском языке, попробуйте # Debian-русский на irc.freenode.net
09:54<djc>Посмотрите, как хорошо мы ни находились, даже если вы и оскорбить нас?
09:54<linx>Thnx!!!!
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09:56<newbie123>hi
09:56<newbie123>i found the following in logs for tftp
09:56<newbie123>Apr 5 19:23:22 Debian tftpd: tftpd: trying to get file: original.cfg
09:56<newbie123>Apr 5 19:23:22 Debian tftpd: tftpd: serving file from /srv/tftp
09:57<newbie123>iaam just trying to get a file but not sure why it says it is going to serve something
09:57<djc>Perhaps the russia speakers will be more interested in his intimate encounters with the US president..
09:58<djc>newbie123, if the client is trying to 'get' a file, then then tftpd needs to server it
09:58<newbie123>no iam trying to get a file into the tftp server from a wireless device
09:58<djc>thats 'put' then, not get
09:59<djc>the device 'puts' the file
09:59<newbie123>ok
09:59<djc>note that if the device itself is a tftp server, you dont need a tftp server at the other end, you need a tftp client
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09:59<djc>tftp [ip of device[
09:59<djc>tftp [ip of device]
09:59<djc>get [file]
10:00<newbie123>ok thanks for inputs.......
10:00<djc>if the device is a tftp client, then run the tftp server, and tell the device itself to put its files to it
10:00<djc>but like I also said
10:00<djc>scp would be far easier to setup
10:00<newbie123>sure would try scp now
10:00<djc>if the device runs an sshd, then use scp to copy files from it
10:01<djc>if it doesnt, but it can send files using scp, make sure you have ssh running and then tell the device to scp to copy its files to the machine running sshd
10:01<djc>'have sshD running", that is
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10:17<newbie123>thanks djc ....scp works great
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10:21<jaycee>hello, hello, jaycee is back. is gsimmons around to continue earlier session??????
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10:22<gsimmons>jaycee: Have you installed the 'firmware-ralink' package from non-free?
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10:24<jaycee>good news and bad news. I am able to link the adapter and the router after installation firmware-ralink. No trouble with security none an WEP but cannot link if WPA is used...is thee such a limitation on curren s/w level???
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10:31<gsimmons>jaycee: The rt73usb driver in Lenny supports WPA/WPA2. As a troubleshooting measure, you might want to try using wpa_supplicant directly, instead of Network Manager.
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10:33<jaycee>pls show noob (to debian/linux) how to do it - step-by-step commands pls.......
10:33<djc>jaycee, do you have wpa_supplicant installed?
10:34<djc>check in synaptic
10:34<el-loco>Hi, I've a problem with my network devices, everytime I plug a new NIC UDEV will rename the remaing with a rename_eth1 prefix
10:34<jaycee>wit, need to check with synaptic...
10:34<djc>!forcedeth
10:34<dpkg>forcedeth is probably the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher, or ask me about <forcedeth mac>
10:35<djc>el-loco, how often do you expect to add new nics?
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10:36<jaycee>Not in synaptic/main....or in other repositories?
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10:37<el-loco>djc, I've configured my bonding device with two PCI nics, but after the installation of a virtual machine I've noticed a change in my ethernet devices
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10:37<djc>what virtual machine system are you using?
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10:38<el-loco>vmware server
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10:38<nikitis>cd #ubuntu
10:38<nikitis>mt
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10:38<nazcafan>hello again
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10:38<djc>el-loco, the virtual machine has a different device? or the host system does?
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10:39<djc>nikitis, try click 'server', then 'join a channel'
10:40<rkaiser_ufrj>hi, everybody!
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10:40<rkaiser_ufrj>this is my first time here
10:40<rkaiser_ufrj>in an irc...
10:40<jaycee>alright, wpa_supplicant found. It is not installed, shud I do it now?
10:40<gsimmons>jaycee: You have wpa_supplicant already, the associated package ('wpasupplicant') is brought in as a dependency of 'network-manager'.
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10:40<djc>install it might be a start
10:40<djc>gsimmons, apparently not?
10:41<rkaiser_ufrj>who use ubuntu here?
10:41<gsimmons>djc: No.
10:41<djc>!ubuntu
10:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:41<rkaiser_ufrj>#ubuntu
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10:42<djc>rkaiser_ufrj, , try click 'server', then 'join a channel'
10:42<djc>also note that channel is on a different irc network
10:42<djc>this is irc.oftc.net
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10:42<el-loco>djc, I'm using a bridged device on my guest OS
10:44<jaycee>right, it is vo.6.4-3. Then, what's next steps pls...
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10:45<djc>jaycee, it was already installed, or you just installed it?
10:45<gsimmons>jaycee: Stop the network-manager daemon (invoke-rc.d network-manager stop), then configure /etc/network/interfaces to include your wlan0 interface, configured appropriately for your wireless network. See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant for an example. After saving the file, raise the interface (ifup -v wlan0) and test.
10:45<djc>if you just added it, it might be worth trying from NetworkManager again
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10:47<cr3>could someone look at this and tell me which solution is for Debian :P
10:47<cr3>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=392494
10:48<djc>solution to what, exactly?
10:48<cr3>i mean if i add "-r usbhid
10:48<cr3>usbhid mousepoll=2" to modules, won't kernel get a panic attack :P
10:48<cr3>as this are modules for kernel as far as i know
10:48<djc>what is the problem you are trying to solve?
10:48<cr3>increase mouse polling
10:48<jaycee>djc, wpasupplicant was already installed (not by me). I will perform as instructed and come back when I am done or having problem. tks...
10:49<cr3>or change
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10:49<djc>what is the problem you are trying to solve by 'changing mouse polling' ?
10:49<djc>is your mouse not working?
10:50<el-loco>djc, I've solved my issue some day ago plugging one NIC at time, in this way the device added again correctly, but thereis not any fusther way? Maybe delete the rules file and recreate it from the beginning?
10:50<cr3>it is not working correctly
10:50<djc>what is it doing differently than how you expect it to?
10:50<djc>and why do you think doing something with polling will fix it?
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10:52<cr3>djc, i don't know if this will fix it, that's why i'm asking if its safe to add those lines to /etc/modules. this thread describes my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-467514.html
10:52<cr3>basically i can't set my mouse to work as in windows ;P
10:53<djc>how does it work differently in windows from the way it works in debian?
10:53<cr3>ehh :P why are you asking me those questions :P
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10:53<djc>and have you tried going to System -> Prefernces -> Mouse?
10:53<djc>and adjusting settings there?
10:53<cr3>why do u assume i use gnome
10:53<cr3>yes yes yes
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10:54<djc>Im trying to find out what your actual problem is so that I might have a chance of pointing you in the right direction
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10:55<djc>If you dont want my help, just let me know
10:55<cr3>i guess i just put cd mount end delete lines if i cant boot
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10:56<djc>not that I have no way of knowing wether an ubuntu-specific fix will work in debian
10:56<djc>but it does seem like entirely the wrong way to go, from my perspective
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10:56<djc>im still trying to determine what exactly is wrong with your mouse
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10:57<djc>when you move it left, does the cursor move right?
10:57<djc>or vice versa?
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10:57<el-loco>...somene could be so kindly to explain me the way UDEV works?
10:57<djc>!udev
10:57<dpkg>udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>, or <udev details>
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10:58<djc>dpkg, why do you speak valley-girl?
10:58<dpkg>wish i knew, djc
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10:58<djc>dpkg, like, gag me with a spoon
10:58<dpkg>djc: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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10:59<cr3>k much better now :D it seems it worked
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10:59<djc>im still curious what exxactly was wrong with your mouse
11:00<djc>"working like in windows" doesn't really describe it
11:00<djc>since while I don't use windows myself, and only occasioally interact with in (eg, in a library) mice on windows seem to work basically the same way they do in X
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11:01<cr3>"Ubuntu Linux is set to poll the mouse position every 100 milliseconds.That is UGLY SLOW and will cause jumpy behavior on accurate mice.
11:01<cr3>The SOLUTION to this problem is very simple and can be found here:
11:01<cr3>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=392494
11:01<cr3>I have just tried it and it makes a HUGE difference. Now my desktop feels like I'm actually in control of my mouse."
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11:01<cr3>oops
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11:02<cr3>if think this explains what its about
11:02<djc>I see.. Are you using Ubuntu?
11:02<cr3>no, debian
11:02<djc>I've never used Ubuntu, so can make no comparison as to what it does
11:02<EmleyMoor>I have lost control of polling on one of my DVD drives - is there anything I can restart that might help? I can use the drive.
11:03<djc>And my mouse seems to work just fine in Debian
11:03<djc>Or indeed, in any dist of linux I've used
11:03<djc>EmleyMoor, what do you mean by 'polling' of the drive?
11:03<djc>you mean it doesnt automount?
11:04<EmleyMoor>It doesn't auto-do... e.g. ask what you want when you insert a blank...
11:05<djc>Oh.. Mine doesnt do that either, and I seem to remember specifically telling it not to, becuase I hate that behaviour.. let me see if I can remember where I set that
11:05<djc>Are you using Gnome?
11:05<EmleyMoor>The problem is, I am unable to either enable (as per normal) or disable (as needed when verifying discs with it) it
11:05<EmleyMoor>Yes
11:06<djc>Have you already tried checking the settings under preferences/removable media?
11:06<EmleyMoor>Yes - nothing amiss there...
11:07<EmleyMoor>I disabled it with hal-disable-polling but can't re-enable it. It can be done for my read-only drive though
11:07<djc>is gnome-volume-manager running?
11:07<djc>Oh
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11:08<cr3>i have my theory that explains why so few people even notice that... basically if u play games on pc you won't really switch to linux, you can only try it, or (like me) dual boot with windows to learn linux (if u have your reasons...), and if u intensely play, mouse sensitivity differences are huge factor in fps games.... so basially 1. few 'gamers' use linux (or they dont bother about this) 2. people who call 'snake' , 'kasteroids' a 'game' don't really
11:08<cr3>feel the difference
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11:08<cr3>i just dont like when pointer doesnt exactly follow my hand movements
11:09<EmleyMoor>I personally am not that bothered about polling but my partner finds it useful
11:09<djc>I really dont play any games. And I have never used Windows on any pc I've ever considered "my" machine
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11:09<djc>have you looked at man hal-disable-polling?
11:09<EmleyMoor>Yes - it's not a situation in the manual
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11:10<djc>once you mentioned that, thats what I looked at.. It seemed that the documention for something that disabled something would give some hint as to how to re enable it
11:10<djc>And the answer does appear to be there
11:10<EmleyMoor>If I try to enable it, this happens: Following symlink from /dev/dvdrw to /dev/hda.
11:10<EmleyMoor>Cannot find storage device /dev/dvdrw.
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11:10<djc>use the real physical device instead
11:10<djc>not a symlink
11:10<EmleyMoor>It's not that I don't know how - it's that it won't work
11:10<EmleyMoor>Ditto
11:10<EmleyMoor>Following symlink from /dev/hda to /dev/hda.
11:10<EmleyMoor>Cannot find storage device /dev/hda.
11:11<djc>but hda is your drive?
11:11<djc>hrm
11:11<EmleyMoor>Yes
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11:11<EmleyMoor>I can eject it (software)
11:11<djc>perhaps look in the output of lshal
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11:12<djc>so originally, you issued: hal-disable-polling /dev/dvdrw ?
11:12<EmleyMoor>hal-disable-polling --device /dev/dvdrw
11:12<djc>and issuing the exact same command wih --enable-polling added gives an error
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11:13<EmleyMoor>Issuing either such command now gives the error
11:13<EmleyMoor>Had this happen before - always goes away on a reboot but don't want to do that just for the sake of it
11:14<djc>Dunno what do tell ya.. never fiddled with hal internals
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11:15<EmleyMoor>This seems to happen at least once every 4-5 weeks
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11:21<EmleyMoor>It lloks like hal has "discarded" the drive
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11:24<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... restarting hal fixes it
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11:34<jaycee>i have carefully study the suggestions: "auto wlan0" and "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" are in the interfaces file already. As suggested by howtouse, additional parameters (wpa-ssid and wpa-psk) need to be inserted below iface command. The ifup can also be placed into the file if needed. Is my understanding correct? BTW, I have tried nm-applet, though it allows me to input the security method and supply the passphrase, it still cannot link to the
11:34<jaycee>router.....
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11:42<paxl>Is squeeze enough stable to dist-upgrade to it without trashing the whole distro ?
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12:14<stuckey>Hello
12:15<stuckey>I'm using Lenny and was wondering if software energy sparing features exists ?
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12:18<jaycee>djc and/or gsimmons...good news. the linkage with wpa security is thru after resetting the router..reboot system also automatically brings it up too. No touch of interface file...incredible....
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12:22<guma>oi
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12:36<Trumpetr>is there a single-CD version of Debian that i can use for a webserver ?
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12:37<cahoot>like a live-cd?
12:38<djc>as a *webserver* ?
12:38<Trumpetr>I don't need a livecd, I plan on installing it. But a single-CD install disk instead of 33 iso's or 5 DVDs.
12:38<djc>if you get the first CD that should be enough to get the basic install. anything not on the first cd, you can get everything else from the net
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12:38<Trumpetr>ah, thanks.
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12:39<djc>i assume if you plan on using it as a webserver it will have net connectivity ;)
12:39<djc>debian's package system will by default get any packages that arent on the first cd from the debian repositories
12:40<djc>!populatiry contest
12:40<djc>!popularity contest
12:40<dpkg>popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
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12:41<NakedApe>there's also the "net-install" images
12:41<NakedApe>which are even more basic (and thus smaller)
12:41<djc>he big difference is how much you want to get in advance, and how much you want to get 'as you install'
12:42<Trumpetr>hmph. does the first install CD come with _any_ gui, or is it strictly command ?
12:42<djc>you can install a fully functioning gnome system with just the first cd
12:42<Trumpetr>I'm familiar with linux, and I've used debian on a dedi, though I've never installed it myself.
12:42<Trumpetr>hmm... so no need to get the xfce+lxde iso ?
12:42<Trumpetr>thanks :D
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12:42<djc>but if you plan on using it as a webserver, it doesnt really need X or a GUI
12:42<squelos>hi
12:43<NakedApe>they're all GUI, the difference is just whether they are ncurses GUI or bitmap GUI :)
12:43*Trumpetr hates nano.
12:43<Trumpetr><3 gedit though :D
12:43<djc>ssh -X server; gedit
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12:44<mantra>help privoxy quit working with tor
12:44<mantra>it updated today
12:44<mantra>and i let the config file update
12:44<mantra>but then i readded all of the forwarding stuff
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12:45<mantra>but privoxy is refusing everything
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12:46<djc>is it on the same machine your browser is on?
12:46<djc>if so, make sure its running
12:46<djc>if its not, still make sure its running, also make sure its not listening only on the localhost ifave
12:46<djc>iface
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12:47<mantra>yes and its running
12:48<mantra>whats iface
12:48<djc>interfrace
12:48<djc>is it on the same machine your browser is on?
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12:48<mantra>yes
12:48<djc>what port does it listen on?
12:48<mantra>8118
12:48<mantra>the default
12:48<djc>can you telnet localhost 8118
12:48<joao>Hola...alguien q sepa hablar en español o en Portugues para ayudarme,por favor?
12:48<djc>!es
12:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:48<djc>!pr
12:49<djc>!pt
12:49<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:49<mantra>i dont know how to telnet
12:49<djc>open a terminal, type that
12:49<djc>'telnet localhost 8118'
12:49<mantra>yeah it worked
12:49<djc>then its working.. now whats the problem?
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12:50*dutchy wonders if there are some iptables rules that are blocking it.
12:50<prezz>combat arms on ubuntu ?
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12:50<djc>dutchy, he says it was working previously
12:50<mantra>my browser, which is configured to go through localhost 8118, says the proxy is refusing connections
12:50<djc>hrm
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12:50<djc>when you did telnet localhost
12:50<djc>did it show "127.0.0.1"
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12:50<djc>or.. something more complex
12:51<djc>an ipv6 address
12:51<mantra>is just said 'Trying ::1...'
12:51<djc>ah
12:51<djc>ipv6
12:51<djc>do you use any ipv6 connectivity?
12:51*dutchy gave up on using privoxy and tor, way too slow.
12:51<mantra>no i think my browser is configured not to use ipv6
12:52<djc>its not so much your browser as your connection, and your ISP
12:52<djc>if you arent using ipv6, then the simplest thing to do is edit /etc/hosts
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12:52<djc>and comment-out the ipv6 lines
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12:52<djc>there is a comment in there saying which they are
12:52<djc>then restart privoxy, and restart your browser
12:52<djc>and both will use ipv4 127.0.0.1
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12:53<djc>for 'localhost'
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12:54<mantra>ok so privoxy was trying to only accept ipv6?
12:54<djc>if that works, then it was becuase it was listening to an ipv6 address and not the ipv4 one
12:54<mantra>thats wierd, there was nothing about that in the config
12:55<djc>if you recently updated your system, the ipv6 entries in /etc/hosts may be new
12:55<djc>did that work?
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12:55<squelos>squelos:/home/squelos/SecondLife-i686-1.22.11.113976# ./secondlife
12:55<squelos>Running from /home/squelos/SecondLife-i686-1.22.11.113976
12:55<squelos>Erreur lors de la définition de la valeur : Le contact du serveur de configuration a échoué ; causes possibles : vous n'avez pas activé le réseau TCP/IP pour ORBit ou des verrous NFS non valides existent suite à un blocage du système. Voir http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ pour plus d'informations. (Détails - 1: La connexion à la session a échoué : Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did
12:55<squelos>Warning: Did not register secondlife:// handler with GNOME: gconftool-2 failed.
12:55<squelos>Warning: Did not register secondlife:// handler with KDE: Directory /root/.kde/share/services does not exist.
12:55<squelos>bin/do-not-directly-run-secondlife-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgobject-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
12:55-!-squelos was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
12:56<mantra>djc, Yes!
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12:56<mantra>thanks
12:56<squelos>hi
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12:56<djc>!pastebin
12:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:56<djc>also dont just blindly paste errors.. first ask a question
12:56<squelos>i get this when i try to launch second life.
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12:57<squelos>yes, well im trying to launch second life, but i get this. Is there some probleme with my network connection ?
12:57<djc>i dunno anything else, but maybe:
12:57<djc>bin/do-not-directly-run-secondlife-bin
12:57<djc>is a clue?
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12:58<djc>how did you install this?
12:58<squelos>i didnt run it like that
12:58<Trumpetr>hold on... will the minimal debian package have support for wireless cards ?
12:58<djc>you directly ran the secondlife binary
12:58<squelos>i used cd to go to the folder
12:58<squelos>and then said ./secondlife
12:58<djc>thats nice, you still directly ran the binary
12:58<squelos>as said on a site
12:58<djc>what site
12:59<squelos>http://www.jeuxlinux.fr/a110-Second_Life.html here, but its french
12:59<djc>Trumpetr, it should.. you may need to get non-free firmware depending on what it is.
12:59<djc>i wouldnt recommend installing with only wireless connectibity
12:59<Trumpetr>out of the box I mean.
12:59<Trumpetr>:O
12:59<djc>unless that connectivity is with something that connects wirelessly and gives you ethernet
13:00<djc>sometimes known as a bridge.. they also market them as 'game' adaptors for use with game consoles that have only wired eth ports
13:00<Trumpetr>wireless access point.
13:00<djc>not to mention, i wouldnt run a webserver with only wireless connectivity
13:00<djc>either
13:02<Trumpetr>i'm running a local install... I wanna test changes before I merge an svn to my main server.
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13:02<djc>ah ok.. thats probably fine then
13:02<djc>what wireless adapter/chipset do you have?
13:02<Trumpetr>Intel
13:03<djc>a little more specific ;)
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13:03<Trumpetr>hold on ;)
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13:04<Trumpetr>Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
13:05<djc>Ah.. yes.. you need to get the firmware.. but otherwise it will work
13:05<djc>although, Im not 100% sure its all in the first CD
13:05<djc>I have that adapter in my laptop, but the primary connection is wired
13:05<djc>so, I may have had to get stuff off the net for it to work, i dont remember
13:06<djc>ideally, you want to have the ability to plug into wired, in case you need to download anything to get the wireless working
13:06<squelos>djc, no idea why its not working ?
13:06<Trumpetr>firmware-iwlwifi I think... hopefully it's included, otherwise I can rig an ethernet connection to the internet.
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13:06<djc>squelos, I don't know anything about secondlife
13:06<djc>i'd search for a debian-specific way of instlaling it
13:07<djc>some information at http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/second-life-client-gpld-two-weeks-later
13:08<Trumpetr>squelos, http://archive.getdeb.net/getdeb/ubuntu/hardy/se/ ?
13:09<squelos>oh sorry, i forgot to translate. Error while defining the value : the contact with the configuration server has failed : possible causes : you do not have activated the TCP/IP network for orbit or invalid NFS locks exist after a system blocage. See www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for more info. detail - 1 the session connection has failed : Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the messag
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13:09<djc>those appear to be Ubuntu packages
13:09<squelos>damn
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13:09<Washi>hello everyone
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13:10<squelos>hi
13:10<djc>this might also be related : http://wiki.debian.org/Games/OpenMetaverseViewer
13:10<pawel>hi
13:10<Washi>The Canon Pixma ip1800 printer is reported to work with Gutenprint Drivers
13:11<Washi>I own this thing
13:11<Washi>http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-ip1800
13:11<Washi>but has anyone made it work with this driver
13:11<pawel>I like debian so much because it can run even on my hacked NAS without erors :)
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13:11<Washi>yeah, debian was the first distro that grabbed me; still the only one
13:12<Washi>but I have a problem with the printer
13:12<djc>Washi, have you tried to make it work and not been able to? or are you checking for compatibility in advance of trying?
13:12<djc>ok
13:12<squelos>i find linux so awkward at the start ...
13:12<Washi>I have been trying for some 6 hours to make this work
13:12<djc>Washi, recap what you've tried
13:12<Washi>Have tried CUPS
13:12<Washi>web interface
13:12<djc>what version of debian do you have
13:13<Washi>with all possible Gutenprint canon driivers
13:13<Washi>debian stable
13:13<djc>and are you using the normal gnome interface
13:13<djc>lenny?
13:13<Washi>lenny, but with KDE
13:13<Washi>I don't like ggnome
13:13<Washi>*gnome
13:13<Washi>anyway
13:13<djc>ok..thats fine.. have you tried kde's printer setup?
13:13<cahoot>nothing in cups' error_log?
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13:14<Washi>where is the CUPS error log?
13:14<djc>if it isnt in the kde menu, just run system-config-printer from a root terminal
13:14<cahoot> look in /var/log
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13:15<pawel>when I update etch->lenny on a specific hardware (hacked NAS, ARM architecture), will it keep firmware drivers?
13:15<cr3>hi how to see FPS in compiz fusion??
13:15<cr3>is that possible?
13:15<Washi>nothing in error log
13:15<Washi>the printer IS
13:15<Washi>in kde setup
13:16<Washi>the problem is there isn't a driver
13:16<Washi>and I have tried at least 10 drivers
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13:16<Washi>for ubuntu
13:16<Washi>and have tried with alien
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13:16<pawel>when I update etch->lenny on a specific hardware (hacked NAS, ARM architecture), will it keep firmware drivers? I am running specific etch Debian for NSD-100 NAS from downloaded and unpacked root filesystem
13:16<Washi>the drivers from Canon either install but printer doesn't respond or the drivers won't install
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13:17<djc>there seem to be multiple entires for that model at the openprinting site
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13:17<Washi>well, yes
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13:18<cr3>howtosee fps
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13:18<pawel>when I update etch->lenny on a specific hardware (hacked NAS, ARM architecture), will it keep firmware drivers? I am running etch Debian for NSD-100 NAS from downloaded and unpacked root filesystem
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13:19<peterius>so upgrading an old debian machine has screwed up the second system in a row
13:19<avu>pawel, the upgrade won't overwrite any files that you created which are not in a package being upgraded.
13:20<avu>pawel, the firmware might not work with the newer kernel version though
13:20<pawel>thanks
13:20<pawel>I am sure it will.
13:20<peterius>a sysvinit conflict and now I very carefully tried to apt-get install individual packages and now I have dpkg -C reporting that apt is not configured
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13:21<djc>peterius, what were you upgrading from, and to
13:21<peterius>to stable, I guess from woody
13:22<peterius>but it happened on another debian system that was setup at a different time, same stuff
13:22<djc>'stable' is a moving target
13:22<djc>the current stable is lenny
13:22<peterius>I did the APT force option and it so screwed things up that I just installed netbsd from scratch, but I can't do that on this system
13:22<djc>and I think woody is several releases old
13:22<fxiny>peterius: follow the correct procedure : read the topic
13:22<peterius>yeah it is several releases old
13:22<djc>i beleive the right step is to upgrade to each release in turn
13:22<djc>instead of jumping directly to the latest
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13:22<pawel>where are locale files?
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13:23<fxiny>several release old ? what's that ? woody ?
13:23<peterius>apt-get upgrade should just work
13:23<fxiny>nahh use aptitude
13:23<peterius>I don't have aptitude
13:23<peterius>this is such bullshit
13:23<peterius>this is the second time this shit has happened
13:23<djc>peterius, you should demand a refund
13:24<peterius>yeah, no, you're right, that's what I get, its free software so its crap
13:24<djc>I wouldnt say that
13:24<peterius>okay, fine its for hobbyists with the time to screw around with this stuff
13:24<peterius>it was fun when I was young
13:24<peterius>when I was like 14, great
13:24<fxiny>refund ? i have a banana skin avaiable and two bottles of ammontillado :P
13:24<cahoot>but now - at 16
13:24<djc>but unlike dumbed-down consumer crap that MS spoon feeds to you that makes everything think even stupid people can use a computer,
13:24<peterius>now at 24, I hate all this shit
13:25<djc>you do have to be able to read instructions
13:25<djc>and know wtf you are doing
13:25<peterius>10 god damn years and nothing is any better
13:25<peterius>read instructions?
13:25<djc>computers are tools, not toys or appliances
13:25<peterius>apt-get upgrade should just work
13:25<peterius>no, debian is a toy
13:25<djc>if you want an applicance, go buy an e-machine with windows shista installed
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13:25<cahoot>seriously - did you try upgrade from woody to lenny in one step?
13:25<fxiny>apt is last century technology : aptitude rulez
13:25<azeem>peterius: upgrades are only supported from one version to the next
13:25<peterius>it looks like it comes down to dpkg --configure apt falis
13:25<djc>in any case, if *you* choose to use Free software, *you* choose to know what you are doing
13:26<azeem>peterius: please read the instructions next time
13:26<djc>if you don't like Debian, don't use it
13:26<peterius>azeem, where are those instructions?
13:26<peterius>I looked around, I figured that's what went wrong last time
13:26<azeem>peterius: the release notes
13:26<peterius>so I tried using a specific release in the sources.list
13:26<peterius>it couldn't find it
13:26<peterius>I tried going to sarge
13:26<johns>trying upgrading from windows 95 straight to vista and let me know how that goes
13:26<azeem>they are not on ftp.debian.org anymore
13:26<djc>johns, Heh
13:26<azeem>peterius: you need to use archive.debian.org
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13:27<peterius>and then I figured no, that would be ridiculous if apt-get upgrade wasn't aware of that and didn't try to upgrade one release at a time, that would be silly
13:27<peterius>or at least warn me
13:27<peterius>is there anyway to fix it now?
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13:27<djc>how should an apt-get in a release at least 3 versions old know anything about today's release?
13:27<peterius>it should say, gee, I'm 3 versions old, this is a problem
13:27<scientes__>you have to do it one step at a time
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13:28<azeem>peterius: apt-get is not meant for those kind of use-cases
13:28<fxiny>dselect ain't changed much :P
13:28<peterius>whatever, it could all be better but its not
13:28<peterius>and its free software, so I get what I paid for, I get it
13:28<peterius>is there anyway to fix a system once its broken like this?
13:28<djc>You also don't seem to grok the different between 'free' and 'Free'
13:28<djc>*nce
13:29<peterius>bullshit, I've read all that stallman crap, I just want a working computer
13:29<azeem>peterius: probably not
13:29<djc>then go pay your MS tax and quit whining at people who are willing to be responsible for their own computers
13:29<azeem>but I didn't see what errors you posted
13:29<azeem>djc: please try to keep it at a technical level, this doesn't really help
13:29<peterius>dpkg --configure apt dies silently
13:29<dpkg>peterius: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:29<djc>of course, you wont actually get a working computer out of that, but you can pretend like everyone else
13:29<azeem>peterius: so debug it
13:29<petern>reinstall
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13:30<azeem>peterius: what's the exit value?
13:30<peterius>post installation 1
13:30<petern>probably quicker than an upgrade from an ancient install anyway
13:30<azeem>peterius: that's not "silent"
13:30<peterius>yeah, I guess not
13:30<azeem>peterius: add debugging output to the postinst then and see where exactly it fails
13:30<ml>how can I use hotkeys to eject dvd tray, right it cycles opens and closes
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13:30<azeem>unless you skipped over another error message
13:31<ml>*now
13:31<Sunriseb>hi everyone
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13:31<zzaza>hi all
13:31<pawel>hi
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13:31<pawel>where are locale files?
13:31<Sunriseb>what is the name of the italian room?
13:31<azeem>pawel: in /usr/share/locale I think
13:31<azeem>!it
13:31<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:32<fxiny>pawel: mine are almost all in /dev/null
13:32<Sunriseb>thanks!
13:32<pawel>thx azeem
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13:32<fxiny>useless bunch of files
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13:32<peterius>I'm not sure which octal to use for debug on dpkg
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13:32<peterius>but something is broken with libc
13:32<peterius>like I said, I've had two different debian systems do this, starting with something about sysvinit
13:33<azeem>peterius: uh, are you administrating more systems?
13:33<pawel>what is /dev/null? non-existing device xD ?
13:33<azeem>pawel: what are you trying to do?
13:33<peterius>right now, just the one, I put netbsd on the other because it got so screwed up and I don't need anything complicated on that one
13:33<pawel>I am just curious about <fxiny> pawel: mine are almost all in /dev/null
13:34<azeem>pawel: that's a saying for "in the trash"
13:34<fxiny>pawel: /usr/share/locale ?
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13:34<pawel>ok
13:34<peterius>azeem: Package apt which provides libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 is not configured yet.
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13:35<azeem>peterius: so fix that?
13:35<pawel>what's better: vim or emacs
13:35<pawel>?
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13:35<peterius>well that's how I got to the dpkg --configure apt problem
13:35<azeem>pawel: try both and use whichever you like better
13:36<peterius>I'm not sure, like I said, what octal to use, but it says something about libc, like I said
13:36<azeem>peterius: 19:28 < azeem> peterius: add debugging output to the postinst then and see where exactly it fails
13:36<peterius> checking group ...
13:36<peterius>D000400: checking possibility -> libc6
13:36<peterius>D000400: is installed, ok and found
13:36<peterius>D000400: found 3
13:36<peterius>D000400: found 3 matched 0
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13:36<peterius> checking possibility -> libc6?
13:36<azeem>peterius: didn't you establish that the problem is with the postinst?
13:36<peterius> found 3 matched 0
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13:36<peterius>I don't know what means
13:37<azeem>?
13:37<peterius>it seems like it should match 1, but that's all the debug output gave
13:37<pawel>wow emacs is 60mb!
13:37<azeem>peterius: huh?
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13:37<djc>pawel, for the record, vim and emacs are *not* the only two unix text editors
13:37<azeem>peterius: look, I think you're better off reinstalling
13:37<peterius>azeem: reinstalling what from where?
13:38<azeem>your system from scratch
13:38<azeem>backup your /etc
13:38<pawel>then WHAT am I installing? I typed apt-get install emacs.
13:38<peterius>you know maybe I can use it for what I need to without upgrading, I had a feeling I shouldn't when I woke up this morning
13:38<djc>pawel, then you are installing emacs
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13:39<djc>pawel, my point is, you dont have just emacs and vim to choose from.. there are many other unix text editors
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13:39<djc>may are much smaller, and are even included with a stock debian install
13:39<peterius>apt-get with no weird force options should not break a system, or upgrade cycle, ever, and to have it happen on two systems, is like...
13:39<peterius>I'm done with debian, I started using gentoo on another system and maybe I'll try redhat or something
13:39<pawel>djc: I know nano too,
13:39<pawel>*.
13:39<azeem>peterius: great, so please stop wasting our time then
13:40<djc>pawel, there are quite a few more than that
13:40<djc>if you are running an GUI system, there are plenty of GUI editors too
13:40<peterius>its not like you have anything to do with it anyway
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13:40<pawel>djc: what text-mode editors do you know?
13:41<djc>I stick with nano, myself.. called as pico
13:41<djc>but im sure some would consider me a novice for doing so
13:42<djc>ive been using pico since slackware was a popular linux distribution
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13:43<pawel>djc: I heard vim and emacs are best.
13:43<pawel>but I prefer nano too.
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13:44<djc>vim and emacs are very much 'old school' text editors
13:44<djc>both are quite complex, and would probably take some time to learn
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13:44<pawel>emacs is GUI based??!
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13:45<djc>no idea
13:45<johns>pawel: you can install the -nox package if you don't want that
13:45<djc>ive never run emacs anywhere, and only run vi by accident
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13:46<djc>I know how to exit from vi ;)
13:46<djc>thats about it
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13:46<pawel>apt-get purge emacs && ape-get install emacs-nox
13:46<pawel>*apt
13:46<pawel>?
13:46<djc>ape-get install emacs nox
13:46<djc>sorry, the ape is currently busy eating a banana
13:46<fxiny>who's puring emacs ?
13:46<fxiny>pawel: !!!
13:46<boca1>anyone do good py here?
13:46<johns>emacs22-nox in sid
13:47<azeem>!anyone
13:47<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
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13:47<djc>Beuhler?
13:47<ben_>hey
13:47<ben_>?
13:47<djc>I like py. Especially apple py
13:48<djc>pumpkin py is good too
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13:48<djc>ben_, no, the channel hasnt gone mad. you had to see the preceeding..
13:48<goodger>what?
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13:49<ben_>how do i make my joystick work?
13:49<djc>usb joystick?
13:49<ben_>no
13:49<djc>or.. uhm.. 'gameport' ?
13:49<ben_>game port
13:49<djc>wow
13:50<ben_>yeah it's old i know
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13:50<weasel>I suspect w/o
13:50<ben_>so can you help me djc?
13:50<pawel>is py a text editor?
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13:50<weasel>erm.
13:50<djc>I assume you have some game you want to use it with?
13:50<ben_>zsnes etc
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13:51<djc>ive setup a usb joy.. not a gameport one.. did you check the docs for what you want to use it with?
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13:51<ben_>where do i look?
13:51<djc>ive used my usb one with mame.. and found how to from mame docs themselves
13:51<djc>of course that was also in fedora, not debian
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13:52<ben_>it said that joystick enable is off
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13:52<ben_>djc?
13:52<djc>you might want to install the 'joystick' package
13:53<djc>and see what help/docs it has
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13:53<ben_>where?
13:53<hacker>?
13:53<pawel>is py a text editor?
13:53<azeem>ben_: you might have to load a kernel module
13:53<azeem>pawel: why do you think it is?
13:53<ben_>djc , where at?
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13:53<djc>apt-get install joystick .. or look in aptitude or synaptic for it
13:53<ben_>ok
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13:54<pawel>because of this conversation... maybe I 'm not right but I'm learning Enblish
13:54<pawel>g
13:54<maxter>hola
13:54<pawel>*English
13:54<maxter>de donde eres
13:54<azeem>!es
13:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:54<djc>pawel, I suspect by 'py' he was referring to python
13:54<hacker>中国频道是那个
13:55<pawel>!jp
13:55<dpkg>rumour has it, jp is Japan
13:55<azeem>!cn
13:55<dpkg>i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
13:55<pawel>!chineese
13:55<goodtime>cool
13:55<djc>pawel, if you know how to use nano and are comfortable with it, id just stick with it.. learning either vim or emacs isn't going to be a quick or easy project
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13:56<ga_bash>arey chinkiya log bhak sala
13:56<maxter>spannish
13:56<ga_bash>bhak saala
13:56<pawel>!sp
13:56<dpkg>methinks sp is troubled: you stats pimp!
13:56<ga_bash>bhak sala
13:56<ga_bash>jajajaja
13:56<ga_bash>bhak sala..
13:56<ga_bash>jajajaja
13:56<maxter>quien sabe de hacking
13:56<maxter>abanzado
13:56<djc>wtf
13:56<maxter>quien usa linux
13:56<ga_bash>everyone is speaking a different language lol
13:56<ga_bash>bhak sala sab
13:56<ga_bash>jajaja
13:57<Ganneff>ga_bash: stop this
13:57<dutchy>really, not productive at all.
13:57<maxter>linux bulnerabylity ubuntu 7.10
13:57-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
13:57<djc>not the channel really has gone mad
13:57<djc>*now
13:57<maxter>my name is cristhian
13:57<djc>ok
13:57<@Ganneff>!ubuntu
13:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:57<ga_bash>Ganneff, i was only to de-stress all the guys
13:58<azeem>ga_bash: eh, what?
13:58<maxter>ok
13:58<djc>did you need some help?
13:58<@Ganneff>ga_bash: no. you were talking bullshit
13:58<azeem>ga_bash: please don't do anything like that
13:58<ga_bash>all right guys
13:58<maxter>yes
13:58<azeem>maxter: do you have a Debian question?
13:58<pawel><Debian policy>
13:58<maxter>the tor
13:58<maxter>spyware
13:58<maxter>include
13:58<djc>maxter, if you have a question, just ago ahead and ask it
13:58<ga_bash>yeah maxter plz ask..
13:59<maxter>proxy include spyware
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13:59<djc>please try to use at least mostly complete sentences
14:00<pawel>how to quit emacs-nox?
14:00<fxiny>spy what ?
14:00<fxiny>wr4x !
14:00<fxiny>wt4x !
14:00<maxter>yes
14:00<maxter>tor
14:00<djc>!ar
14:00<dpkg>methinks ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina
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14:01<pawel>how to quit emacs-nox?
14:01<djc>pawel, fxiny answered you, i think
14:02<maxter>what ?
14:02<djc>maxter, what is your question?
14:02<@Ganneff>maxter: try it with a complete question, in case you have any.
14:02<fxiny>djc: quitting ? i will never help ;)
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14:02<djc>fxiny, now yer just gonna confuse him more ;)
14:02<maxter>jjaja
14:02<ga_bash>ja ja
14:02<@Ganneff>and you all should get back Debian as a topic
14:03<ga_bash>maxter, are you spanish?
14:03<maxter>yes
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14:03<djc>well, how to quit emacs is a valid question
14:03<ga_bash>oh.. maxter ja ja ja
14:03<avu>C-x C-c
14:03<azeem>ga_bash: if you do that once more, you're off this channel
14:03<fxiny>djc: confusion is one reason i run emacs : org-mode helps
14:03<pawel>fxiny: what wt4x?
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14:03<maxter>jaja
14:03<fxiny>pawel: the australian XXXX , a beer :P
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14:03-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@host76.200-117-29.telecom.net.ar] by azeem
14:04-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
14:04<azeem>maxter: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
14:04<pawel>avu: thanks a lot!
14:04<ga_bash>azeem, from which place are you?
14:04<azeem>maxter: please ask your Debian questions in spanish in #debian-es
14:04<ga_bash>:)
14:04-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
14:04-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@210.18.180.131] by azeem
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14:04<fxiny>azeem: good one , we all know about tor*.deb
14:04<azeem>ga_bash: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
14:04<ben_>djc?
14:04<azeem>ga_bash: please try to be more signal and less noise in the future, thanks
14:05<djc>ben_, yes?
14:05<ben_>i got the joystick package
14:05<djc>and?
14:05<ben_>now what do i do?
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14:05<djc>see if it includes any useful documentation?
14:05<djc>do you know how to see what files a package installed?
14:05<ben_>where would i look?
14:05<azeem>ben_: setting up game-port based joysticks is probably an advanced operation
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14:06<azeem>ben_: in /usr/share/doc/joystikc
14:06<fxiny>pawel: i use both vim and emacs
14:06<azeem>joystick*
14:06<djc>if you use synaptic, you can right-click the package and select 'properties'
14:06<ben_>ok
14:06<azeem>djc: how does that help, is there a pointer to the documentation in the properties?
14:06<ddfire>hi, locale programs i get "(process:10147): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library" how i set the locales?
14:06<avu>ddfire, dpkg-reconfigure locales
14:07<djc>azeem the list of installed files is, which might include things like README, etc
14:07<azeem>you know the documentation is *always* in /usr/share/doc/<package>?
14:07<djc>for the record there doesnt appear to be any useful files in /usr/share/doc/joystick
14:07<djc>a gzipped changelog and a copyright file
14:07<azeem>if you're trying to help a newbie, it's better to check that beforehand
14:08<djc>although... that package doesnt appear to have any documentation included at all
14:08<azeem>it might have manpages
14:08<djc>well, except for man pages
14:08<azeem>anywa
14:08<azeem>y
14:08<djc>heh
14:08<ddfire>avu i need to restart? it keep whit the same....
14:08<azeem>I don't see how it would be very useful
14:09<avu>ddfire, logging in anew is enough (ie starting a new session)
14:09<ben_>djc help me.
14:09<djc>azeem dunno about anyone else, but I look at that all the time when trying to figure out how to use a package or what it does..
14:09<ddfire>so i need restart X i will be back
14:09<azeem>djc: right, but ben_ is a newbie
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14:09<azeem>ben_: 20:03 < azeem> ben_: setting up game-port based joysticks is probably an advanced operation
14:09<pawel>is there any IRC channel about FireFox?
14:09<azeem>ben_: as I said, you probably have to load a kernel module etc.
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14:09<ben_>azeem yes im a newbie
14:10<azeem>ben_: see whether you find a Joystick HOWTO or something on google
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14:10<azeem>ben_: or just buy a usb joystick, those are probably supported out-of-the-box
14:10<ben_>i dont have the $$$
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14:11<azeem>ben_: then don't play the games
14:11<azeem>ben_: or prepare to read a lot of stuff to get your joystick going
14:11<azeem>ben_: or maybe ask again tomorrow - somebody who knows you that works might be on then
14:11<azeem>but don't hold your breath
14:12<ben_>i'm willing to work hard for it
14:12<ben_>no matter what.
14:12<azeem>20:08 < azeem> ben_: see whether you find a Joystick HOWTO or something on google
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14:12<djc>http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddAJoystick
14:13<ddfire>avu: i restart X but i keep geting the same
14:13<ddfire>avu:
14:13<ddfire>locale -a
14:13<ddfire>locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
14:13<ddfire>locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
14:13<ddfire>locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory
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14:13<djc>just one thing I found while googling.. may or may not be helpful..
14:13<avu>ddfire, did dpkg-reconfigure generate the locale you want?
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14:14<ben_>ok tell me
14:14-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
14:14-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
14:14<djc>ben_, you could try 'modprobe joydev' from a root terminal
14:14<avu>ddfire, (it's not enough to just run that command, you actually have to choose a valid locale there and set it as the default)
14:14<djc>what game are you trying to run again?
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14:14<ddfire>avu how i set it as default? i choose en_US as default when it asked me
14:14<ben_>emulators etc...
14:15<ben_>zsnes
14:15<djc>which one specifically are you trying
14:15<djc>ok
14:15-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
14:15-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
14:15<djc>did you install zsnes with apt?
14:15<ddfire>avu:
14:15<azeem>sigh
14:15<ddfire>echo $LANG
14:15<ddfire>en_US.ISO-8859-15
14:15<ben_>not yet bit i will now
14:15-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
14:15-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@210.18.180.131] by azeem
14:15<avu>ddfire, that's the way. check the 'locale' output after that to see that it actually points to the locale you want. if it doesn't you may have something in your startup scripts that changes the value on its own
14:15-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
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14:16<djc>ben_, I am also installing it, although I have neither a gameport joystick or a gameport.. but I'll see what it says about those, if anything
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14:16<Elcapo>i have a problem with lenny and rtl8185
14:16<avu>ddfire, (also, are you sure you really still want to use iso8859-15, not UTF-8?)
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14:17<ddfire>avu: all are en_US.ISO-8859-15 but LC_ALL and LANGUAGE are empety
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14:17<ben_>ok
14:17<ddfire>avu not i am not sure....
14:17<Elcapo>when i make ifconfig wlan0 up debian dont work
14:17<ben_>so what do i do now?
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14:18<ben_>djc when i type cat /proc/asound/AudioPCI/audiopci
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14:18<djc>ben_, try plugging your j..
14:18<djc>what?
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14:19<djc>what does that have to do with a joystick?
14:19<ben_>Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371
14:19<ben_>Joystick enable : off
14:19<ben_>Joystick port : 0x200
14:19<ben_>ben@ben-desktop:~$
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14:19<djc>oh
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14:20<ben_>djc
14:20<djc>ben_, ok, I see..
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14:20<ben_>how do i enable it?
14:20<djc>what happens, if you plug in your joystiuck, and then at a terminal type 'zsnes'
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14:20<ben_>ok
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14:21<ben_>it could not find the joystick
14:21<djc>ok hang on
14:21<ben_>ok.
14:22<azeem>ben_: what does "lsmod | grep joystick" say (as root)?
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14:22<ben_>1 sec.
14:22<pawel>how to set default locale?
14:22<ddfire>avu when i run locale as root i get en_us utf8 but when i run it as my user i get other stuff
14:22<djc>what ive found suggest he needs to add joystick=0x200 to the modprobe call for the es1371 module
14:22<avu>ddfire, then that user's startup files probably mangle those variables in some way
14:22<djc>im not sure exactly thr right way to do with with debian's setup
14:23<ben_>nothing azeem
14:23<djc>and then once he's done that, modprobe joydev and then a device-specific module
14:23<pawel>how to set default locale?
14:23<ddfire>avu any idea how i can correct it? or what file i should look for?
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14:23<azeem>ben_: then run "modprobe joystick" as root
14:23<djc><djc> what ive found suggest he needs to add joystick=0x200 to the modprobe call for the es1371 module
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14:24<avu>ddfire, depends on the environment you use. I'd start with my shell's startup files
14:24<djc>to tell his soundcard to enable the joystick port
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14:24<avu>ddfire, (grep could be a good friend here ;-))
14:24<ben_>it says FATAL: Module joystick not found.
14:24<azeem>ben_: ok, listen to what djc said
14:25<azeem>I misread
14:25<djc>the module is called joydev
14:25<azeem>yeah
14:25<ben_>yeah
14:25<dutchy>pawel: check here: look for "locale" http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-tune.en.html
14:25<djc>rights the right way to add arguments to a modprobe call 'the debian way'
14:25<dutchy>that's one place, many other places for documentation
14:25<djc>*whats
14:25<ben_>nothing came up
14:25<djc>ben_, what brand/model joystick do you have
14:26<ben_>Gravis GamePad Pro
14:26<djc>nothing coming up in a unix cli command is generally means it worked
14:26<ben_>ok.
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14:27<ben_>still says no joystick detected
14:27<djc>hang on, not done yet
14:27<ben_>in zsnes
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14:27<ben_>azeem , djc help me.
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14:28<djc>ben_, hang on, im reading docs
14:28<ben_>ok.
14:29<pawel>and what is C locale?
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14:30<ddfire>avu: dpkg-reconfigure locales show me /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
14:30<djc>azeem where would he add options to a module following debian conventions?
14:30<djc>so that on an upgrade they arent lost?
14:31<avu>ddfire, well, clean up your configuration, or actually generate the locales your environment variables point to
14:31<djc>ok.. assuming it works the same was as etch, do this
14:32<fxiny>ddfire: try : LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
14:32<ben_>ok
14:32<djc>create a new file in /etc/modprobe.d
14:32<djc>a good name might be 'joystick'
14:32<ben_>how?lol
14:32<djc>actually.. find do this:
14:32<djc>lsmod | grep snd
14:32<djc>use a pastebin to send me the output
14:32<djc>!pastebin
14:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:32<ben_>ok
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14:33<ben_>did that
14:33<djc>go to paste.debian.net and paste its output there
14:33<ben_>why?
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14:33<djc>so I can see it
14:33<djc>if you paste it here you will get kicked from the channel
14:34<ben_>yeah ok then
14:34<ben_>did you get it?
14:35<djc>ok.. are you su'ed to root in that terminal
14:35<djc>yes, normally you want to paste the url here but i got it
14:35<ben_>yes
14:35<djc>cd /etc/modprobe.d/
14:35<ben_>sorry my bad.
14:35<djc>then:
14:35<azeem>djc: that's a question the whole channel could answer, I was on the phone
14:35<djc>echo "options snd-ens1371 joystick_port=1" > joystick
14:36<ben_>huh?
14:36<ddfire>avu: i runed it i will restart and came back to tell you
14:36<djc>er.. wait.
14:36<djc>make that
14:36<djc>echo "options snd_ens1371 joystick_port=1" > joystick
14:36<djc>type that
14:37<ben_>which way?
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14:37<djc>what do you mean?
14:37<ben_>with the echo as well
14:37<djc>yes
14:37<djc>make sure you cd /etc/modprobe.d first
14:37<ben_>ok my bad
14:37<ben_>done
14:37<djc>ok.. now:
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14:37<djc>rmmod snd_ens1371; modprobe snd_ens1371
14:37<ben_>imdoing your way
14:38<ben_>wait.
14:38<djc>waiting.
14:38<ben_>no output
14:38<djc>thats fine
14:38<djc>did you do the rmmod and modprobe too?
14:39<ben_>ERROR: Module snd_ens1371 is in use
14:39<djc>hrm
14:39<ben_>what together?
14:39<djc>hang on
14:40<djc>you need to remove all the stuff thats using it too.. not sure if theres a way to just unload and restart the entire sound set
14:40<ben_>ok
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14:40<ben_>how?
14:40<ben_>!time
14:40<dpkg>rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.04.05 18:40:54, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
14:41<djc>well one way would be to reboot.. there must be a simpler way then using lsmod to rmmod each individual one..
14:41<ben_>ok brb
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14:43<pawel>do you prefer Perl, Python or Ruby? which is easier to learn?
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14:44<djc>who?
14:44<jrabbit>they're all pretty easy to pickup on debian :P
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14:44<djc>heh.. /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop ;)
14:44<gravity>LANGUAGE FIIIIIIIIGHT
14:44<fxiny>ready : perl
14:45*jrabbit was going to suggest Ruby or Python
14:45<jrabbit>perl is a little old
14:45<jrabbit>:P
14:45<gravity>jrabbit: So is UNIX.
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14:45<jrabbit>yeah
14:45<jrabbit>but still
14:46*fxiny todo list No 1 is : haskell
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14:46<gravity>Of all the criticisms one can have of perl, and there are many, being old isn't one I'd call valid.
14:46<fxiny>old like wine , so very good :P
14:46<ben_>djc i just rebooted and it still says the same thine as before
14:47<djc>ben_, what still says the same thing?
14:47<ben_>but the modprobe snd_end1371 came back with no output
14:47<ben_>i'm doing it as root
14:47<djc>end or ens?
14:47<djc>wait
14:47<djc>you dont need to modprobe anything
14:47<gravity>pawel: Honestly, if you don't know any of them, I'd spend a little bit of time with each and see how you feel.
14:47<ben_>ens
14:48<djc>the reboot was to reload all that
14:48<ben_>ok
14:48<djc>ben_, what still says the same thing?
14:48-!-jtaji [~jtaji@c-68-39-80-157.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:48<gravity>pawel: In the free software world you'll run in to code in all of them, so it pays to have at least a passing familiarity with each. Then you can at least make your own decision too.
14:48<djc>that irst thing you were looking at
14:48<djc>that said joestick disabled
14:48<djc>is that the same?
14:48<ben_>when i type rmmod snd_ens1371 it say that its in use
14:48<fxiny>modprobe -r
14:49<djc>ben_, you dont need to remove it
14:49<djc>thats what rebooting was for
14:49<ben_>ok my bad.
14:49<djc>that first thing you were looking at
14:49<djc>that said joystick disabled
14:49<ben_>ok
14:49<djc>has that changed?
14:49<ben_>yeah
14:49<djc>does it show enabled now?
14:49<ben_>1 sec.
14:50<djc>fxiny, /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart :P
14:50<ben_>yep
14:50<djc>ok
14:50<djc>now,
14:50<djc>modprobe joydev
14:50<fxiny>perl is not old : you can run old scripts fine , you can be a monk or just an average user writing very confused scripts all running *fine*
14:50<ben_>now what do i do?
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14:50<djc>modprobe joydev
14:50<pr>oi
14:51<pr>vai tomar no cú
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14:51<djc>see if thats enough, run zsnes and see if it sees it now
14:51<ben_>it says command not found
14:51<pawel>dpkg-reconfigure locales: (...) '/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not installed' WHAT IS THIS??!
14:51<djc>modprobe ?
14:51<fxiny>djc: right :)
14:51<djc>ben_, you need to be root
14:51<ben_>yes
14:51<djc>to run modprobe
14:51<djc>but dont run zsnes as root
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14:52<ben_>it came back with no output
14:52<djc>ok, now as non-root, try zsnes
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14:52<djc>it might still not find it
14:52<ben_>yeah it works!
14:53<ben_>cool
14:53<djc>do you have ..
14:53<djc>ok
14:53<ben_>djc
14:53<djc>yes?
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14:53<ben_>how do i get an ntfs hdd to read in debian?
14:54<ben_>cuz thats where my games are
14:54*djc pulls out all his hair and runs screaming down the road buck naked
14:54<pawel>dpkg-reconfigure locales: (...) '/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not installed' WHAT IS THIS??!
14:54<djc>pawel, use aptitude or synaptic
14:54<gravity>pawel: Just install the locales package
14:54<djc>ben_, you should be able to mount ntfs partitions
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14:54<elops>how can one md device suddenly become 2?
14:54<fxiny>djc: pass the green witch "liqueur" here :P
14:54<elops> I used to have 1 raid5. Now it shows up as md0 and md1, and neither will start
14:54<ben_>how?
14:55<elops>both missing disks
14:55<ben_>im new at this
14:55<elops>mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active.
14:55<elops>mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 4 drives - not enough to start the array.
14:55<elops>http://pastebin.com/m64c429ef
14:55<djc>fxiny, is there a gui 'mount random filesystems' interface in stock gnome/debian?
14:55<elops>thats the output of sho cat /proc/mdstat
14:55<elops>Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) <-- this is very bad right?
14:55<ben_>ok how do i use it?
14:55<ben_>djc?
14:56<djc>ben_, use what?
14:56<fxiny>djc: gui ? i reached the no-gui no-click nirvana : i run xmonad
14:56<ben_>the hdd with ntfs?
14:56<djc>ben_, hang on
14:56<ben_>ok.
14:56<elops>So?
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14:57<djc>ben_, run fdisk -l as root and pastebin me the output
14:57<fxiny>djc: i decided to downsize anything i can starting in the "lenny age"
14:57<ben_>ok
14:57<djc>fxiny, i was hoping there was a noob-friendly tool i could point ben at to mount his ntfs
14:58<djc>and dont say gparted.. its wacky
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14:59<ben_>http://paste.debian.net/32516/
14:59<fxiny>djc: i removed gparted cause the damned gnome-i-forgot-the-name daemon
14:59<fxiny>gksu comes with it
14:59<ben_>djc
14:59<djc>ben_, looking
14:59<ben_>ok
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14:59<djc>calm down.. be patient
14:59<djc>SFS?
14:59<djc>wtf is SFS
15:00<ben_>aparently it is the windows system
15:00<fxiny>djc: all those damned lines in my logs . i have logs so clean now , a baby can bath in it
15:00<ben_>cuz the g0 gb drive is formatted in ntfs or something
15:00<ben_>im not sure
15:00<fxiny>downsize
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15:01<fxiny>all the useless crap removed
15:01<ben_>djc
15:01<djc>HANG ON
15:01<ben_>ok
15:01<djc>sheesh
15:01<ben_>sorry
15:02<djc>you appear to have 3 of those partitions on two different drives.. which one do you want to access?
15:02<djc>hda1, hda2, or hdd1
15:02<ben_>i do remember setting my drives to dynamic mode in windoze
15:02<ben_>hdd1
15:02<fxiny>but i must confess : my emacs is getting *very* bloathed :P
15:02<djc>ok... as root.. try this:
15:02<ben_>ok
15:02<djc>mkdir /mnt/hdd1
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15:03<djc>mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hdd1
15:03<djc>who knows I could get lucky and not have to pull anymore hair out
15:03<ben_>it came back with no output
15:03<beer>"The answer, to life, unicode and everything"
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15:03<djc>both commands?
15:03<ben_>hang on
15:04<djc>the mkdir is trivial, and will work
15:04<djc>mount may or may not
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15:04<djc>er
15:04<djc>wait
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15:04<djc>mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1
15:04<djc>forgot part
15:04<djc>use that instead
15:04<ben_>no output.
15:04<fxiny>djc: he can write a script : mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/ice /mount/point -o umask=0,nls=utf8
15:04<djc>/dev/ice ?
15:05<djc>i want to see if it will mount at all first
15:05<ben_>but where do i put that script
15:05<ben_>?
15:05<djc>or if he needs mode mods
15:05<djc>ben_, ignore that for now
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15:05<djc>*more
15:05<ben_>ok
15:05<abdul>hello
15:05<djc>did that last mount command I give give an error?
15:05<fxiny>yes , /dev/ice , same as /mount/point
15:05<djc>ben_, does "df -h" now show a /mnt/hdd1 ?
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15:06<ben_>no
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15:06<ben_>oops
15:06<djc>ok,, did you run:
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15:06<djc>mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1
15:06<djc>fxiny, wtf is ntfs-3g ?
15:06<djc>ntfs over cell network?
15:07<fxiny>djc: is it already obsolete ? i'm not using ntfs since long time
15:07<djc>never heard of it
15:07<pawel>how to kill proftpd?
15:07<djc>/etc/init.d/proftpd stop ?
15:07<simonrvn>man killall
15:07<djc>simonrvn, masochist
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15:08<ben_>it says mount: /dev/hdd1 already mounted or /mnt/hdd1 busy
15:08<ben_>mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdd1 is already mounted on /mnt/hdd1
15:08<djc>ben_, type: df -h
15:08<djc>are you *sure* that it doesnt show /mnt/hdd1 smewhere in the list?
15:08<LostPlanet>when loggin a screen seesion, is there a tool to use to view the log later?
15:09<djc>"less" ?
15:09<djc>or cat
15:09<LostPlanet>ben: try df -h | grep hdd
15:09<ben_>djc now what?
15:09<djc>ben_, what LostPlanet said
15:09<djc>i think your drive is mounted
15:09<djc>note that I had you mount it readonly to be safe
15:09<LostPlanet>why not type "mount | grep hdd"
15:09<pawel>'please add etch sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run:
15:09<pawel> apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6
15:09<pawel>'
15:10<fxiny>etch ?
15:10<ben_>it says /dev/hdd1 56G 2.3G 54G 5% /mnt/hdd1
15:10<pawel>what to add?
15:10<djc>ben_, then its mounted
15:10<djc>ben_, cd /mnt/hdd1
15:10<djc>ben_, ls -l
15:10<ben_>but i would like it to read/write
15:10<djc>see your files on that drive
15:10<djc>i would suggest not writing to it from linux
15:10<LostPlanet>what fs type is it ?
15:10<LostPlanet>ntfs ?
15:10<djc>ntfs
15:10<LostPlanet>there is a nice package i have installed that works
15:11<LostPlanet>hold on...
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15:11<djc>i would suggest not writing to it from linux
15:11<ben_>ok
15:11<ben_>why?
15:11<fxiny>peless ?
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15:11<LostPlanet>trying to find the info ...
15:11<djc>copy whatever game files you need from it
15:12<ben_>i need it to read the files and write them too.
15:12<djc>if you want a filessystem to read and write from both linux and windows
15:12<djc>i would suggest vfat
15:12<djc>not ntfs
15:12<pawel>'please add etch sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run:
15:12<pawel>apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6'
15:12<pawel>what to add?
15:12<ben_>the current filesystem being is smaller than 60 gb
15:12<djc>ben_, i see only 2.3 g used and 50G free
15:12<ben_>and all my games are in threr
15:12<LostPlanet>ben / djc : it is safe / possible to write to ntfs though
15:12<ben_>there
15:12<LostPlanet>there is a package for it
15:13<ben_>ok then
15:13<djc>id copy the stuff elsewhere temporarily, then delete it and reformat it as vfat
15:13<ben_>where do i get it?
15:13<LostPlanet>using aptitude
15:13<LostPlanet>would be best
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15:13<fxiny>pawel: what exactly are you doing ?
15:13<ben_>type what
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15:13<djc>id copy the stuff elsewhere temporarily, then delete it and reformat it as vfat
15:13<fxiny>pawel: are you installing ? upgrading ?
15:13<LostPlanet>well but does he need to boot back into windows ever ?
15:13<LostPlanet>you can't just change it and expect windows to boot back up
15:13<ben_>no i don't
15:14<pawel>apt-get update or apt-get upgrade or apt-get install locales... anything
15:14<LostPlanet>oh
15:14<ben_>windoze sucks
15:14<djc>LostPlanet, its not his boot fs
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15:14<LostPlanet>ok
15:14<djc>at least i dont think it is
15:14<djc>ben_, thats not your C: drive is it, in windows?
15:14<ben_>no
15:14<djc>its an 'extra drive' with stuff stored on it
15:14<fxiny>pawel: i'd use aptitude , but : are you running etch or lenny ?
15:14<djc>ok, then boot back to windows,
15:14<pawel>fxiny: etch
15:14<djc>copy the files on it somewhere else temporaroly
15:14<ben_>i think it drive e or f
15:15<LostPlanet>or even in linux copy the files
15:15<djc>then use windows tools to delete that partitin, and make it again, but use VFAT
15:15<LostPlanet>if you have space on anotehr folder that is not on that partiion
15:15<ben_>i don't plan to ever use windows again
15:15<djc>then put the files back on
15:15<fxiny>pawel: why ? lenny is the curret stable
15:15<pawel>I am upgrading it to lenny but this thing pop up
15:15<fxiny>current*
15:15<djc>ever?!
15:15<fxiny>pawel: so wait a sec
15:15<djc>then save the files from it in linux,
15:15<djc>and wipe it and your windows drive and.... ugh
15:15<LostPlanet>brb
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15:16<LostPlanet>back
15:16<djc>if you are this news you better keep windows around until you know what you are doing
15:16<ben_>then screw up my mbr?
15:16<djc>and I feel dirter for suggesting that
15:16<pawel>I have hacked NAS in which I hust unpacked etch root filesystem... It's prepared for my NAS
15:16<djc>dirty*
15:16<pawel>*just
15:16<djc>s/news/newb
15:16<fxiny>pawel: follow this procedure dpkg will tell you , type in your irc client : /msg dpkg etch->lenny , forget apt use aptitude
15:16<pawel>and I want to upgrade it to etch
15:16<djc>fxiny, i think he has no console on that hardware
15:17<fxiny>to etch ?
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15:17<ben_>so djc how do i keep my hdd from disappearing
15:17<ben_>?
15:17<djc>ben_, what do you men disappearing ?
15:17<pawel>I am connecting to it via ssh
15:17<ben_>after a restart
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15:18<ben_>can't i just put in a script?
15:18<djc>ben_, just mount it again with that mount command
15:18<djc>or put it in /etc/fstab
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15:18<LostPlanet>yea. add a line in /etc/fstab
15:18<djc>but if you really plan on *never* using windows again, you probably want to migrate away from ntfs
15:18<ben_>but how do i make it permanently mound even at startup?
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15:18<LostPlanet>so you have enough free space on a non-ntfs partition to copy all the data from teh ntfs partition and then reformat the ntfs partition ?
15:18<pawel>I am fillowing this ptocedure, but when 'aptitude update', then 'please add etch sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run:
15:18<pawel> apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6'
15:18<ben_>why is the linux filesystem better?
15:19<djc>no reason to use ntfs (or even vfat)_ with linux except on a filesystem you plan to also access from windows
15:19<fxiny>pawel: is easy and logic , you change yout soruces form etch to lenny then run aptitude update , now isntall the new aptitude : aptitude install aptitude , now upgrade : aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade
15:19<fxiny>sources*
15:19<ben_>ok
15:19<LostPlanet>ben: for one thing permissions will not work like you expect if you continue with vfat or ntfs partition
15:20<LostPlanet>ben: i dont konw that one is better (some may argue that) but if you are going to work with linux you shold use a file system that is designed for linux
15:20<pawel>fxiny: look at this: 'Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade).' my Etch is not up to date
15:20<djc>to be honest, if you have a windows system installed, i would first take that 60G drive, make it vfat, then from windows copy and and all import files to it
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15:20<djc>then, start over and install linux on the first drive
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15:20<djc>then mount the 60G as vfat and copy files from it into linux
15:21<LostPlanet>ben: what djc said is also true. if you want to access a file system from outside of linux you will want to keep the vfat or ntfs partition and use it as a "transfer" partition
15:21<djc>then take your two extra drives and either mount them somewhere.. or .sell them.. or something
15:21<fxiny>pawel: forget etch , edit your sources list first : change any etch you read to lenny
15:21<djc>"copy and and all important files..." i meant
15:21<fxiny>pawel: then run : aptitude update
15:21<pawel>there is not any 'etch'
15:22<djc>fxiny, he should be fully updated in etch before upgrading to lenny
15:22<fxiny>pawel: now you have an old aptitude so install the new lenny powerful aptitude first and tell it to upgrade
15:22<djc>pawel, what is there now?
15:22<djc>in sources.list
15:22<pawel>brb
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15:22<fxiny>djc: where is upgrading from ? sarge ?
15:22<fxiny>pawel: are you upgrading from sarge ?
15:22<LostPlanet>to read / write ntfs partition install ntfs-3g package
15:22<pawel>from Etc
15:22<superbob>If its okay can I ask some Wifi & USB questions
15:22<pawel>h
15:23<LostPlanet>aptitude install ntfs-3g
15:23<LostPlanet>as root
15:23<djc>ben_, fyi, completely migraing an installed windows to an installed linux is a bit beyond what help you can get via IRC
15:23<fxiny>LostPlanet: yes , tell djc ;)
15:23<fxiny>djc: ^^ :)
15:23<djc>LostPlanet, yerconfusing ben and pawel
15:23<LostPlanet>sorry
15:23<Trumpetr>can I install debian via USB as opposed to bruning it to a CD ?
15:23<djc>ben is trying to migrate from windows to linux
15:23<LostPlanet>trumpetr: yes
15:23<djc>pawel is trying to upgrade (something) to etch and/or lenny
15:24<Trumpetr>do I extract the .iso to the USB ?
15:24<Trumpetr>or is there a seperate process.
15:24<djc>Trumpetr, if you have a cd burner, using that is simpler
15:24<LostPlanet>djc: yes i know. i was telling ben about the package which lets him read/write his ntfs partition
15:24<fxiny>pawel: from etch ? so try to understand the logic : aptitude has improved so much it can upgrade without pain : you want the new aptitude first
15:24<Trumpetr>I have a CD burner, but no disk. guess I could do for a midnight run :)
15:24<djc>LostPlanet, he said he never plans on using windows again.. so its kinda pointless to keep an ntfs partition permanently
15:24<pawel>my sources/
15:25<fxiny>i do like lenny
15:25<pawel>*sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/32520/
15:25<superbob>I have a Artheros (sp?) chipset wireless card and I can't get it working in Lenny (but it works with Knoppix 6) and I have USB mobile broadband thingy that doesn't work in Lenny but it does in Fedora Core 10 - It's driving me insaine
15:25<djc>ugh.. 'stable'
15:25<LostPlanet>djc: i agree. but he has not made it clear to me that he has the room to simply copy the data yet
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15:25<LostPlanet>djc / ben: unless i missed that
15:25<ben_>im copying my stuff over
15:25<djc>LostPlanet, i thought I saw a df output somewhere..
15:25<djc>he has a 60G hdd with only 2G used.
15:26<LostPlanet>djc: your right
15:26<djc>debian is on hdb
15:26<djc>windows is on hda
15:26<LostPlanet>djc: he should have room
15:26<djc>hdd and sda are all ntfs
15:26<djc>e
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15:26<LostPlanet>djc: i thought he has a higher usage percentage
15:26<djc>hda and hdd
15:26<fxiny>pawel: non-US has gone since sarge
15:26<ben_>yeah your right
15:26<LostPlanet>ben: so you have enough space in your linux partitions to copy all the data from our windows ntfs partition right ?
15:27<LostPlanet>s/our/your
15:27<djc>he has three windows ntfs parts
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15:27<djc>hda1, hda2, and hdd1..
15:27-!-rehpic [~rehpic@user-160v1t8.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #debian
15:27<djc>i assume hda1 is "C:"
15:27<ben_>i guess so.
15:27<ben_>yes it is
15:27<LostPlanet>ben: are you doing stuff in linux from the GUI or command line ?
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15:27<djc>ben_, if you are as news as you sound, it wouldnt hurt to find some local debian user group
15:27<pawel>fxiny: but it is Etch root filesystem
15:28<LostPlanet>ben: you can call me if you want :)
15:28<djc>what you are doing is major upheaval
15:28<djc>hard to support over irc
15:28<ben_>sorry.
15:28<djc>if you are comfortable with it go ahead
15:28<LostPlanet>ben: using gnome or kde ?
15:28<ben_>gnome
15:28<superbob>Why would that matter!
15:28<ben_>i don't like kde
15:28<pawel>then what to exit in sources.list?
15:28<LostPlanet>ben: do you know about GParted / gnuparted ?
15:28<pawel>*edit
15:29<djc>gparted is crap
15:29<superbob>nope
15:29<fxiny>pawel: comment non-US lines out
15:29<LostPlanet>ben: are you kidding ? the GUI interface is great and it can resize ntfs / fat partiions on the fly
15:29<fxiny>and run aptitude update
15:29<djc>it tries to do too much automatically
15:29<ben_>somewhat.
15:29<LostPlanet>last message was actaully for djc
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15:29<loic>hi
15:29<superbob>hi
15:29<LostPlanet>djc: doing things automatically is good for a novice
15:30<djc>and I do not have, never had, and never will have, an ntfs partition anywere
15:30<djc>its also a good way for them to erase important data
15:30<ben_>me neither
15:30<fxiny>!beer djc
15:30*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for djc
15:30<loic>i just installed this Lenny amd64 on my brother's pc, and i can't mount any CD...
15:30<LostPlanet>what is !beer djc ?
15:30<superbob>What interface is your CD / DVD using?
15:30-!-T_X [~quassel@cl-3161.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #debian
15:30<djc>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
15:30*djc runs away
15:30<superbob>lol
15:31<LostPlanet>what the heck
15:31<LostPlanet>!beer lostplanet
15:31*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Guinness for lostplanet
15:31<LostPlanet>ah
15:31<superbob>!beer me
15:31*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for superbob
15:31<LostPlanet>nice
15:31<LostPlanet>ben you still here ?
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15:31<ben_>!beer superbob
15:31*dpkg pulls out an excellent Piraat for superbob
15:31<djc>too many confused people here
15:31<superbob>why thank you
15:31<loic>what do you mean by "interface" ?
15:31<ben_>yes
15:31*LostPlanet is me
15:31*Trumpetr is confused
15:31<superbob>is it SATA, IDE or external
15:32*LostPlanet thought djc actaully left the chat room when he ran away
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15:32<ben_>me too
15:32<LostPlanet>haha
15:32<LostPlanet>you can type /me <xxx> to have it to dhat
15:32*LostPlanet will brb
15:32<Trumpetr> /part #debian solve <---- will answer all your questions.
15:33<loic>superbob: it's /dev/hdb
15:33<superbob>hmmm
15:33*LostPlanet is back
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15:33<superbob>are you using mount or relying on it to auto mount the CD / DVD
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15:34<loic>yes, the error shows when mounting
15:34<loic>"mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb,"
15:34<pawel>will I hurt debian by pulling out the plug?
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15:34<superbob>pawel yes you can "hurt it" by doing that
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15:34<djc>which plug?
15:34<djc>:P
15:34<superbob>loic so this is any DVD /CD or specific types?
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15:34<pawel>power plug.
15:34<superbob>^^ lol
15:35<djc>loic, what was the mount command you typed
15:35<fxiny>pawel: no . ext3 is rock solid : you can do it
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15:35<loic>i tried with many medias : i successfully mounted "Fallout 3 for Windows" (haha), witch is a DVD
15:35<djc>as long as you arent in the middle of an upgrade
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15:35<loic>"mount /media/cdrom0"
15:36<superbob>are you giving it a mount point?
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15:36<pawel>shutdown does not work and in the manual included with NAS there is 'just pull the plug off' :)
15:36<djc>that is a mount point
15:36<loic>yes
15:36<djc>the one the automounter uses
15:36<ben_>how do i get rid of windoze in debian?
15:36<loic>fstab for this driver is : "/dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 iso9660,udf ro,user,auto,umask=0 0 0"
15:36<superbob>oic
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15:37<djc>so some discs mount, and some dont?
15:37<djc>do the discs that wont mount, mount ok in another system?
15:37<loic>it seems to be so
15:37<loic>yes
15:37<djc>is there anything in common between the ones that dont work?
15:37<djc>eg all dvds can mount but no cds?
15:37<superbob>The only thing I can think of is a chipset / controller driver issue :S
15:37<loic>i just mounted a video DVD
15:37<djc>or all factory discs mount but home-written ones dont?
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15:38<loic>seems that only CDs don't want to mount
15:38<LostPlanet>anyone know where it gets my full name from when you do a /whois lostplanet ?
15:38<djc>sounds like the drive is broken
15:38<loic>it's a new drive
15:38<superbob>Should be simple to check in that case
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15:38<loic>and works good on windows...
15:38<djc>LostPlanet, your irc client
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15:38<djc>which is probably getting it from /etc/passwd
15:39<LostPlanet>djc: ok. i'm using ircii . any idea how to set it or make it not take from there ?
15:39<pawel>apt-get update just returns some GET:'s and Fetched(...)
15:39<djc>change whats in /etc/passwd ?
15:39<djc>usermod?
15:39<LostPlanet>djc: yea , without chaning that
15:39<LostPlanet>:)
15:39<djc>dunno
15:39<djc>man ircII
15:39<LostPlanet>ok
15:39<djc>why on earth have your full name there anyway?
15:40<djc>or is it not your personal machine
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15:40<loic>okay, i really think that i can only mount DVDs
15:40<LostPlanet>ah hah, there is an environment variable called IRCNAME which will override it
15:40<LostPlanet>djc: yes . personal machine
15:40*pawel is running apt-get upgrade on etch
15:41<djc>LostPlanet, then why have your real full name in /etc/passwd anyway?
15:41<superbob>I've got pizza if anyone is hungry :D
15:41<djc>im hungry
15:41<djc>ctcp me a piece
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15:41<ben_>!pizza djc
15:41<djc>damn now I want pizza
15:41<LostPlanet>!pizza lostplanet
15:41<superbob>Can I scp it over?
15:41<LostPlanet>okay that doesnt do anything
15:41*djc contemplates a trip to hot-n-ready land
15:41<LostPlanet>nice try though ben
15:42*LostPlanet thinks their breadsticks are good
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15:42<LostPlanet>ben: what are you up to ? how is it going ?
15:42<ben_>great
15:42<ben_>so far
15:42<LostPlanet>copying files ?
15:42<ben_>already don
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15:43<ben_>done*
15:43<LostPlanet>ok.
15:43<LostPlanet>brb
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15:43<djc>djc, ok, i'll make a deal with ya. if you get the laundry running you can go get pizza
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15:43<djc>djc, its a deal!
15:44<LostPlanet>there. now my /whois only shows my first name
15:44<djc>later
15:44<LostPlanet>bye
15:44<superbob>how long you all been Debian users?
15:44<ben_>how do i keep the drive mounted permanently so i won't have to keep mounting it over & over.
15:44<djc>ah yes, but its too late now
15:44<LostPlanet>i've been a linux user for probably ~10 years
15:44<djc>we all already know it
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15:44<djc>well.. some of us
15:44<djc>:P
15:44<LostPlanet>debian for the past couple years
15:44<loic>it works ! After changing my fstab line to "/dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0"
15:44<ben_>LostPlanet?
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15:44<LostPlanet>sorry ben, hold on...
15:44<superbob>Wow, only about 2 years here :(
15:44<ben_>ok
15:45<LostPlanet>ben: you have to edit the /etc/fstab file
15:45<djc>since about 1994
15:45<ben_>ok
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15:45<LostPlanet>ben: as root. if you are going to reformat it i'd wait until after you reformat to put the entry in
15:45<LostPlanet>ben: there are probably alreayd lines in the file that you can mimic
15:45<djc>and if you are going to add it to your linux system, you want to think about where you want to mount it
15:45<djc>that /mnt/hdd1 was just a temporary place
15:45<ben_>already done
15:46<djc>linux doesnt have 'drive letters' like windows.
15:46<LostPlanet>ben: doen with what ?
15:46<djc>all partitions are part of the main filesystem
15:46<Trumpetr>O_o just did rm -rf / as root.
15:46<djc>often extra space is added at /home.. or /usr
15:46<LostPlanet>trumpetr: why did you do that ?
15:46<Trumpetr>it's a VPS anyway, scrapped it.
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15:46<Trumpetr>I can reinstall the OS at any time.
15:46<djc>and I' not even going to try to help you do that over irc
15:46<djc>LostPlanet can if he wants ;)
15:47<LostPlanet>heh
15:47<superbob>VPS bread poor admin skillz
15:47<djc>I actually did help someone do just that once
15:47<Trumpetr>lol. backups :)
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15:47<djc>including single user to migrate /usr
15:47<djc>im not doing it now.. especally with a pizza-less stomach
15:47<djc>djc, GO! GO get the damn laundry in
15:47<djc>djc, ok, ok, im going
15:48<djc>for real now
15:48<superbob>lol
15:48<LostPlanet>ben: are you in a gnome or kde GUI ? i think i asked before but i dont remember your response
15:48<pawel>ok thank you all for help
15:48<pawel>bye
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15:49<ben_>LostPlanet?
15:49<LostPlanet>yes ?
15:49<superbob>IIRC I think he said gparted was **** so he's probably using Gnome
15:49<ben_>now what do i do with an um mounted partition
15:49<ben_>un*
15:49<LostPlanet>you mean the ntfs one that you want to convert to something else ?
15:49<LostPlanet>you use a tool to re-format it first
15:50<LostPlanet>i suggest gparted if you are using a GUI
15:50<ben_>1 sec
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15:50<LostPlanet>ok
15:50<ben_>it's formatting as ext3
15:51<LostPlanet>ok
15:51<LostPlanet>if its next to another partiion you already use you might be able to extend that partition instead
15:51<LostPlanet>by first deleteing the partition so its "empty space" and then expanding the one next to it
15:51<LostPlanet>i can't remmber you drive setup
15:52<superbob>try running "free the fish &" from a console :D
15:52<LostPlanet>how many drives you got ?
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15:52<ben_>it's done
15:52<LostPlanet>what the heck bob...where do you come up with that ?
15:52<LostPlanet>what is that ?
15:53<superbob>he he he he
15:53<LostPlanet>so its just the free program
15:53<LostPlanet>and it ignores the rest
15:53<LostPlanet>ben: what did you do ? delete it or is it now formatted as something ?
15:54<ben_>i know this sounds annoying but what do i do with the newly formatted hdd
15:54<superbob>erm what do you mean?
15:54<superbob>copy things on to it
15:54<ben_>it's formatted as ext3
15:54<LostPlanet>well now you can have it auto-mounted if you want by adding a line in your /etc/fstab file
15:54<ben_>ok
15:54<LostPlanet>or you can manually mount / unmount it
15:55<LostPlanet>it depends on what you want to do with it i guess
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15:55<superbob>If you've nothing to do with it, can I recommend playing with VirtualBox!
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15:55<ben_>im in the fstab file now what do i do
15:56<LostPlanet>wow
15:56<LostPlanet>hold on..
15:56<ben_>ok
15:56<LostPlanet>where do you plan to have it mounted ?
15:56<LostPlanet>is this just like extra drive space to put stuff ?
15:56<debacle>hi, i'm trying to add ssl on my apache2 for this i have to genereate a self-signed certificate. When i run apache2-ssl-certificate i get command not found error. Can anyone help please ?
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15:57<ben_>yes it is
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15:57<LostPlanet>so lets say we want it to be accessed at /media/stuff
15:57<LostPlanet>and the partition is /dev/hdd1
15:57<ben_>yes
15:58<superbob>Once you formatted it in ext3 it should automount on restart anyhow (well did with my drives)
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15:58<LostPlanet>then you add a line like : /dev/hdd1 /media/stuff auto defaults 0 0
15:58<LostPlanet>what bob said may be true too. i was thinking that
15:58<LostPlanet>maybe just try resetting and see if it takes care of itself
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15:59<LostPlanet>also from the gnome desktop you may be able to go the "filesystem" and see it there . just double click on it and you can access it
15:59<ben_>ok
16:00<maxb>Usually /media/ is for hotpluggable devices, not fixed storage
16:00<LostPlanet>maxb: where shoudl we put it ?
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16:01<maxb>I'd put it on /mnt/something
16:01<LostPlanet>ben: so instead of /media/stuff use /mnt/stuff
16:02<ben_>ok
16:02<LostPlanet>ben: in your fstab file that is
16:02<ben_>done
16:02<LostPlanet>ben: the tricky part will be working out the permissions so you can access it like you want with a non-root user
16:02<LostPlanet>ben: if it were me i'd play around with it
16:02<ben_>yeah
16:02<maxb>Not really tricky, you just get it mounted and then chown it
16:03<ben_>ok\
16:03<LostPlanet>maxb: but what about after a reset ?
16:03<ben_>what does chown mean
16:03<LostPlanet>change ownership
16:03<LostPlanet>its a command
16:03<maxb>You'll want a line in /etc/fstab
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16:03<ben_>ok
16:03<superbob>Here's a question for you chaps, in order to install Nvidia drivers normally you have to alter /etc/x11/x11.conf, but is there a quick way to shutdown the xserver and just get a standard console without restarting (if that makes sense!)
16:04<LostPlanet>control + alt + backspace ?
16:04<LostPlanet>that restarts it i think
16:04<ben_>ok
16:04<maxb>yes, abrubtly
16:04<LostPlanet>or changing run levels
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16:04<LostPlanet>actually after updating your x11.conf file i think a ctrl + alt +backspace will work
16:04<LostPlanet>it'll reload stuff
16:04<maxb>you may just want to log out and let your DM relaunch X
16:04<LostPlanet>but make sure you close stuff down
16:05<superbob>cool thanks for that
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16:05<maxb>< LostPlanet> then you add a line like : /dev/hdd1 /media/stuff auto defaults 0 0
16:05<maxb>^ does 'auto' really work as a fstype ?
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16:05<LostPlanet>i think so
16:05<LostPlanet>if not then put the actual fs in there
16:06<maxb>All of my drives say 'ext3'
16:06<LostPlanet>ben: you may need to chagne auto to something like ext3
16:06<LostPlanet>ben: you can test the fstab file by typing "mount /mnt/stuff" at command line
16:06<LostPlanet>bne: it should use the configuration in the fstab file
16:06<LostPlanet>bne: if it works, your good
16:06<maxb>The last number should be 2, having 0 there disables fscking
16:06<LostPlanet>i've always used 0 in all my systems
16:07<LostPlanet>fscking might be still done by other programs on a regualr basis ?
16:07<superbob>Another question for you, if you have two physical drives in a system with two seperate Linux OS's on each, why can't open mount the others drive without it FUBAR'ing
16:07<LostPlanet>ben: fscking is refering to a file system check with the fsck program ( i think its fsck)
16:08<maxb>"FileSystem ChecK"
16:08<LostPlanet>bob: i would think you would have no probelm mounting one FS from the other ?
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16:08<ben_>lostplanet?
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16:08<LostPlanet>yes ben ?
16:08<ben_>it did not work
16:08<LostPlanet>what did it say ?
16:09<maxb>Indeed, I routinely mount my other OS'es partitions so that I can edit config files for the distro I don't have booted at the moment.
16:09<LostPlanet>we might need to change the auto the ext3
16:09<superbob>Well I did, I installed Fed 10 on my spare drive, and then tried to mount that drive in Lenny (both where ext3 formatted) it worked but the next time I tried to boot into Fed I got a kernel sync panic and it failed to boot :(
16:09<ben_>when it started up it said mount /mnt/stuff :failed
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16:09<LostPlanet>ben: oh you reset ?
16:09<LostPlanet>ben: from teh command line type "mount /mnt/stuff" as root and see waht error you get
16:10<LostPlanet>ben: or see if it is already mounted by typing "Mount" and looking for the /dev/hdd1 entry
16:10<ben_>mount point does not exist
16:10<LostPlanet>ben: need to mkdir /mnt/stuff
16:10<ben_>oh ok
16:10<LostPlanet>then try again
16:10<LostPlanet>from command line
16:10<ben_>as root?
16:10<LostPlanet>probably
16:11<ben_>ok
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16:11<ben_>dome
16:11<ben_>done*
16:11<LostPlanet>now try typing mount /mnt/stuff again
16:11<LostPlanet>and see if it works
16:11<ben_>ok
16:11<ben_>works
16:12<LostPlanet>cool
16:12<LostPlanet>then it should auto mount now when you restart
16:12<LostPlanet>so all you have left to do is work out the permissions
16:12<ben_>now will that be permanent?
16:12<LostPlanet>reset adn see
16:12<LostPlanet>:)
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16:13<ben_>how do i use chown
16:13<LostPlanet>ben: man chown gives you the manual page, but in general it is chown <new user>.<new group> <file directory>
16:13<superbob>man chown
16:13<superbob>damn beat me to it
16:13<LostPlanet>heh
16:14<LostPlanet>so if your normal user is ben then try chown ben.ben -R /mnt/stuff
16:14<LostPlanet>the -R is for recursive changes if you already have anything in there
16:14<LostPlanet>then once your normal user is the owner he should be able to do what ever in there
16:15<LostPlanet>i'm a bit concerned still though about what will happen on reboot after you make the permission change
16:15<LostPlanet>but that's probably just my inexperience with this
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16:15<ben_>it came back with no output
16:15<LostPlanet>check the directory to see if it changed
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16:15<LostPlanet>ls -la /mnt
16:16<ben_>my stuff folder is there
16:16<LostPlanet>yep. you just listed the contents of the /mnt folder
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16:16<LostPlanet>what are the owner and group of the stuff folder ?
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16:16<LostPlanet>for example you'll see that the . and .. directories have root root
16:16<ben_>drwxr-xr-x
16:17<LostPlanet>those are the permissions
16:17<ben_>ben is the owner
16:17<LostPlanet>ben is your actuall username right ?
16:17<LostPlanet>i guess i guessed right on that
16:17<ben_>yes it is
16:17<LostPlanet>of course it wouldn't have worked if you specified a nonexistant user
16:17<ben_>you're right
16:17<LostPlanet>the second name is the group
16:18<djc>LostPlanet, having fun
16:18<LostPlanet>oh yea
16:18<ben_>it says drwxr-xr-x 3 ben ben 4096 2009-04-05 16:51 stuff
16:18<LostPlanet>then its good
16:18<ben_>anything else
16:18<LostPlanet>now reset and see if it still says that after reset
16:18<LostPlanet>if it still says that then your done
16:18<djc>theres the cli
16:18<djc>then theres the gui
16:18<ben_>will i be able to reboot without losing changes
16:18<djc>then theres 'admin by remote irc-user'
16:19<ben_>brb
16:19<LostPlanet>djc: what is cli ?
16:19<superbob>command line interface?
16:19<djc>LostPlanet, noob
16:19<LostPlanet>whatever
16:19<superbob>lol
16:19<djc>heh
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16:20<LostPlanet>just for that i'm nslookup and tracing you now
16:20<djc>he ext3's his hdd
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16:20<djc>?
16:20<djc>where did you have him mount it
16:20<LostPlanet> /mnt/stuff
16:20<djc>nslookup is for dweebs.. real dns admins use dig
16:20<superbob>you dont have to lost I can see him eating my pizza leftovers
16:20<LostPlanet>nslookup is quick
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16:20<djc>oh how unixlike
16:20<LostPlanet>i use dig to check my bind configuration
16:20<djc>hey I got my own pizza
16:21<LostPlanet>and i also only allow ssh with encrpytion keys to connect to my server
16:21<superbob>yeah sure! lol
16:21<LostPlanet>at least for console access that is
16:21<djc>why you think I was silent for.... however long it was
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16:21<djc>wow only 20 minutes
16:22<djc>no..
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16:22<djc>it reconnected and lost the timestamps
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16:22<LostPlanet>i'm not following the converstaion now
16:23<LostPlanet>anyways
16:23<LostPlanet>your making me hungry ... time for another hershey's bar
16:23<LostPlanet>and a pepsi too
16:23<LostPlanet>:)
16:23*djc got little ceasers pizza and breadsticks, and diet squirt
16:24*LostPlanet doesn't drink diet anything
16:24*LostPlanet needs to gain weight
16:24<LostPlanet>:)
16:24<LostPlanet>anyone play nethack ?
16:25<LostPlanet>where's everyone from ?
16:25-!-knoppix_ [~knoppix@dslb-088-065-128-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
16:25<LostPlanet>i'm in northern indiana
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16:25*djc doesnt drink sugar pop, even if he doesnt need to lose weight, it tastes like syrup
16:25<chealer>!tell LostPlanet about enter
16:26<LostPlanet>you dont like syrup ?
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16:26<djc>not as a drink
16:26<LostPlanet>ok
16:26<LostPlanet>thanks chealer, where did you come from ?
16:27<ben_>thanks
16:27<ben_>bye
16:27<LostPlanet>ben: all working ?
16:27<ben_>perfectly
16:27<LostPlanet>cool
16:27<ben_>so far
16:27<ben_>all i have to do is reboot
16:27<LostPlanet>you must not be too much a noob if you got irc to work
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16:27<LostPlanet>anyone know why i can't connect to irc.debian.org on normal port (6667)...but on 6669 works
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16:28<LostPlanet>i used to be able to use default port, but recently it wont work
16:28<LostPlanet>says no route to host
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16:28<djc>your isp is trying to block irc?
16:28<LostPlanet>i'm wondering
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16:28<LostPlanet>but this box is a co-located server at a company. they shouldn't be blocking any of my traffic
16:29<djc>lemme try
16:29<LostPlanet>actually its a "dedicated server". not a co-located one
16:29<djc>either seems to work for me
16:29<LostPlanet>yea. and default used to work for me
16:29<LostPlanet>a while back
16:29<djc>although the ip is round robin
16:30<LostPlanet>i think they are blocking me
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16:30<LostPlanet>or blocking that port
16:30<djc>so maybe one or more of them dnt accept on 6667 for some reason
16:30<LostPlanet>hmm
16:30<djc>actually
16:30<LostPlanet>oh well
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16:30<djc>lol
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16:30<LostPlanet>?
16:30<djc>irc.debian.org is cname to oftc
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16:30<LostPlanet>yea i noticed that
16:31<LostPlanet>and i can ping stuff just fine
16:31<LostPlanet>i think they are blocking the port
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16:31<djc>so you arnnt on irc.debian you are on oftc, as I am
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16:31<djc>your isp?
16:31<djc>they could be trying to block irc servers running on their network
16:31<LostPlanet>the company where i have the dedicated server
16:31<djc>and accidentally blocked it in both directions
16:31<LostPlanet>yea
16:31<LostPlanet>i'll email them i guess
16:31<LostPlanet>yea i knew i was on oftc
16:32<LostPlanet>in fact i tired connect to that directly to see if that was the problem
16:32<djc>make sure they know you arent trying to run an ircd
16:32<djc>just connect to one
16:32<LostPlanet>thinking it was a dns issue
16:32<LostPlanet>even if i am running an ircd that is not against the rules. i pay for a dedicated server with internet connection to do what i want with it
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16:32<djc>could check their TOS.. they might well prohobit irc
16:32<LostPlanet>or maybe it is against their rules
16:32<LostPlanet>heh
16:32<LostPlanet>that's be gay
16:32<LostPlanet>that'd
16:33<djc>could be they run shared servers too, and prohibit irc there
16:33<@Ganneff>now, isp irc policy is sure not a #debian topic
16:33<djc>but dnt have the competence to be able to only block it from them
16:33<LostPlanet>that could be
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16:34<LostPlanet>searchign the TOS or "irc" only finds the word circumvent
16:34<LostPlanet>also nothing in the AUP
16:34*djc bows to the topic nazi
16:34<LostPlanet>actually they dont have shared
16:34<LostPlanet>only dedicated and co-located
16:35<LostPlanet>why did you bow to the topic nazi ? did someone say we're off topic ?
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16:35<@Ganneff>LostPlanet: that was a polite way of saying "stop it".
16:35<petern>tis drowning out the idlers
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16:35*LostPlanet laughs
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16:36<djc>more like waking up the idlers
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16:38*LostPlanet agrees with Ganneff
16:39<benvdh>hey, At our study association we have a Brother DCP 7045N printer that is attached to our debian server. We had to use the binary drivers from Brother since there were no opensource drivers available. Recently the printer suddenly stopped working,
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16:39<benvdh>The scanner still works (it's an MFC) so it's not a connection problem
16:40<djc>usb?
16:40<benvdh>yes
16:40<LostPlanet>ben: is it possible that the fact that the scanner still works does not mean that the printer part might be broken ?
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16:41<LostPlanet>this is beyond me. djc you take it
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16:41<benvdh>Lostplanet: I also checked that, but it is still able to print testpages through the printer menu
16:41<djc>im looking to see if there is Free support for it now
16:41<LostPlanet>benvdh: ok
16:41<djc>hrm.. ot even listed
16:42<djc>anything changed on the server?
16:42<djc>upgraded software?
16:42<djc>etc
16:42<benvdh>it had some updates
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16:42<LostPlanet>benvdh: can i call you ben ? does the printer work when connected to a windows os ?
16:42<benvdh>yes, you can
16:42<djc>try removing the printer completely and reconfiguring it
16:43<djc>i mean its setup in the pc
16:43<djc>not physically removing it ;)
16:44<LostPlanet>my only reason for mentioning if it works ni windows (if you even use it there or have windows) was to be sure that it does work
16:44<benvdh>djc: I allready tried removing the driver packages completely, and re-install them. But this didn't work either, Print jobs seem to get to the printer but are marked as finished remarkebly fast
16:44<djc>using cups?
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16:44<LostPlanet>the test page working may not be a conclusive sign that all is right with teh printing
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16:44<djc>tried 'send test page' ?
16:45<benvdh>djc: yes
16:45<djc>that work? or no?
16:45<djc>from in cups
16:46<LostPlanet>if that's not flooding i dont know what is :)
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16:46<djc>eh?
16:46<benvdh>djc: I also tried that, but the response is the same as for all the other printjobs. Cups says it's finished, and the printer doesn't print the page
16:46<djc>hrm..
16:46-!-nimrood [~nimrood@par69-2-82-67-28-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
16:46<djc>which version of debian?
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16:47<djc>er.. release
16:47<benvdh>is there an easy way to tell this ?
16:47<Kilerhageman>Why I can't join my dirs anymore? ?
16:47<Kilerhageman>irc1@F0rums:/irc$ cd Unreal3.2
16:47<Kilerhageman>-sh: cd: Unreal3.2: Permission denied
16:47<djc>which version did you install?
16:47<djc>release
16:48<benvdh>internet sources are testing, we installed it from an etch cd
16:48<djc>ugh
16:48<djc>testing - not something you want to run on a production server
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16:49<djc>of course since lenny has been released as stable now its two versions ahead of etch
16:49<Kilerhageman>Why I can't join my dirs anymore? ?
16:49<Kilerhageman>irc1@F0rums:/irc$ cd Unreal3.2
16:49<Kilerhageman>-sh: cd: Unreal3.2: Permission denied
16:49<LostPlanet>Kiler: the permissions changed
16:49<djc>but if you've been installing stuff with sources as testing, you've already got a good mix of stuff evcerythng from etch to lenny to sid
16:49<Kilerhageman>Yes, I understand LostPlanet...
16:49<djc>Kilerhageman, ls -l Unread3.2
16:49<LostPlanet>kiler: in the /irc folder type ls -la
16:49<djc>Kilerhageman, ls -l Unreal3.2
16:49<Kilerhageman>Ok
16:50<Kilerhageman>irc1@F0rums:/irc$ ls -l Unreal3.2
16:50<Kilerhageman>ls: cannot open directory Unreal3.2: Permission denied
16:50<djc>If its not your hardware, perhaps the admin found your irc server and chowned it away from you
16:50<djc>er
16:50<djc>ls -ld U*
16:50<Kilerhageman>irc1@F0rums:/irc$ ls -ld U*
16:50<Kilerhageman>d--------x 13 irc1 root 4096 Mar 28 16:21 Unreal3.2
16:50<LostPlanet>there we go
16:50<djc>owned by 'irc1' user
16:50<djc>but with 000 permisions
16:50<LostPlanet>nice
16:51<djc>no one can cd to it except root
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16:51<djc>if you arent root, contact the person that is
16:51<Kilerhageman>How do I give myself permissions?
16:51<LostPlanet>do chmod a+rx Unreal3.2
16:51<maxb>001 perms
16:51<Kilerhageman>I can use sudo
16:51<Kilerhageman>full sudo
16:51<djc>is this your personal machine?
16:51<benvdh>djc: does this mix of packages make it to difficult to solve the problem ?
16:51<Kilerhageman>Dedicated of a friend of mine
16:51<djc>if not, i'd suggest contacting the owner anyway.. they probably didnt do that by accident
16:51<djc>djc, it could
16:52<Kilerhageman>But how would I give me the rights with sudo?
16:52<djc>i would suggest removing and reinsalling cups... but.. with testing in there, that might be a bad idea
16:52<LostPlanet>sudo chmod u+rx /irc/Unreal3.2
16:52<Kilerhageman>thanks Lost
16:52<djc>Kilerhageman, It was probably changed to prompt you to contact the owner
16:53<djc>they might be unhappy if you change it back withut contacting them
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16:53<benvdh>djc: If it's a bad idea, are there other options we could try ?
16:54<Kilerhageman>Ok, I've send him a memo djc :)
16:54<djc>benvdh, how often/much software have you added to this server over time?
16:54-!-beber [~nicolas@ANantes-257-1-93-26.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
16:54<djc>if not much, you could try following the etch -> lenny upgrade procedure, and then change 'testing' to 'lenny' in sources
16:55<djc>then you might be cleanly running lenny, which is current stable
16:55*LostPlanet bows to djc's superior helping skills
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16:56<benvdh>djc: We have added a few software packages since the install, but it was mostly a lot of custom configuring we did
16:56<djc>then you could try that
16:56<djc>!etch -> lenny
16:56<djc>dpkg, wake up
16:56<dpkg>djc: I'm already awake! :)
16:56<djc>dpkg, etch->lenny
16:56<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
16:56<djc>dont do that update with 'testing' in the sources.list tho
16:57*LostPlanet laughs at the dpkg. that thing is awesome
16:57<benvdh>djc: so this procedure makes sure that all the etch packages that would still be on there will be upgraded to lenny, right ?
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16:58<djc>im not actually sure.. have you installed or updated any packages within the last month or so?
16:58<djc>if you've installed stuff newer than etch, if you try to update to etch, im not sure what the result will be.. it *might* just leave it be
16:58<benvdh>yes, I believe last weekend or two weeks ago all software was updated ?
16:58<djc>oh boy
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16:59<djc>you are prolly gonna need someone with more debian guruness than I
16:59<benvdh>(as in apt-get update and then upgrade)
16:59<djc>azeem, awake?
16:59<djc>you dont want to upgrade to 'testing', or even to 'stable'.
16:59<djc>you want a fixed release name in there
16:59<djc>eg etch, or lenny
17:00<djc>then, when a new release is out, if you decide you want to upgrade, then you follow the procedure for cleanly updating (read the release notes for the new release)
17:00<djc>then change the sources to that release name
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17:01<benvdh>the cd repositories are commented out btw. Basically the way the server was upgraded to testing is the following. First we installed it, then we decided to upgrade to testing, so we replaced all the stables with testing in sources.list
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17:02<djc>1. you dont want to run 'testing' on any production machine
17:02<djc>2. tags like 'stable', and 'testing' are moving targets, you dont want to use either in your sources.list
17:02<djc>instead ues the specific release name that you have or installed or upgraded(ing) to
17:02<benvdh>ok, as I can hear, we still have to learn a lot
17:02<LostPlanet>i didn't even know you could use "stable" as a tag in the sources.list
17:03<LostPlanet>i thought it had to be a release name or testing
17:03<LostPlanet>?
17:03<djc>they are just symlinks on the repo servers
17:03<LostPlanet>hmm
17:03<LostPlanet>yea. seems like if you have 'stable' in there and the repo's change from etch to lenny and "update" might not be good
17:03<djc>but the met ones like 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable', move as new releases are made
17:03<djc>you dont want to have it suddenly change under you
17:03<djc>exactly
17:03<djc>thats the entire point
17:04<djc>I am trying to make
17:04<djc>!tell me about enter
17:04<djc>(figured id save someone the time)
17:04<LostPlanet>its a standard key on the keyboard
17:04<LostPlanet>:)
17:04<djc>!tell LostPlanet about enter
17:04<LostPlanet>thanks for the tip...
17:05<benvdh>basically the reason for why we have chosen testing was because of the more up to date packages
17:06<djc>benvdh, my point is, you dont want to use the meta-names like 'stable', or 'testing',
17:06<djc>you want to use the specific codename for which release you are pointing at
17:06<LostPlanet>unless your willing to accept the risk and this a non-production / critical system
17:06<djc>up until a month ago, testing pointed at lenny
17:06<djc>now it points at.. i think its called sqeeze
17:06<djc>squeeze
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17:07<djc>if you had etch, and wanted to update to lenny
17:07<djc>you should have put 'lenny'.. not testing
17:07<benvdh>I know, I wasn't trying to discredit your point,
17:07<djc>and there is more than just doing apt-get upgrade
17:07<djc>you need to read the release notes
17:07<djc>you probably cant break it any more than it already is reinstalling cups now tho
17:07<djc>so if thats the only problem you might as well go ahead
17:07<chealer>djc: seriously, please avoid unnecessarily cutting your messages.
17:08<djc>chealer, seriously, my fingers are cold, Im sorry
17:08<LostPlanet>they seem like concise statements to me, i guess if you pause for a second at the end of each one it gives you time to think about what to say next. well i gotta go. later all.
17:10<benvdh>djc: I still have another question left, since I already learned a lot from you about upgrading, what's the best way to get a more recent version of a specific package (or a few packages) without breaking the complete system ?
17:10<djc>!backports
17:10<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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17:10<benvdh>ok, thanks
17:11<benvdh>I'll discuss it tomorrow at the IT committee meeting
17:12<djc>note that lenny is the current 'stable'. and should have new enough packages for anything you are doing on a reasonable modern machine
17:12<djc>but again, if you want to use that, use 'lenny', not 'stable'
17:13<petern>mmm, i can't remember when i last installed debian and it put in 'stable' by default
17:13<petern>must've been a while ago
17:14<djc>he installed from etch.. so presumable it said 'etch' originally and they changed it to testing
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17:15<petern>it would do, yes
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17:17<djc>who decided to use toy story names anyway
17:17<fireball3>I've got a big favor to ask of you all. I need someone to continuously call 214-907-8186 and harrass the hell out of this dude. thanks
17:17<djc>pass
17:17<djc>illegal
17:17<djc>offtopic
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17:17<fireball3>I know its offtopic that's why I'll only ask once
17:18<djc>illegal
17:18<fireball3>don't care
17:18<chahibi>niceness abuse
17:18<fireball3>go througha proxy/voip
17:18<djc>i see you are connecting through tor to request this abuse
17:18<fireball3>yes, I want to be anonymous
17:18<djc>do your own dirty work
17:19<fireball3>I have
17:19<fireball3>but I can't do it alone
17:19<djc>dont ask random people on irc to abuse others for you
17:19<petern>National Auto Purchasing & Sales
17:19<amphi>it is Tardsday...
17:19<fireball3>I'm unhackable, and noone has my number so I'm completely safe
17:19<djc>who cares.. its offensive
17:19<djc>go away
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17:20<philsf>can some op kick/ban fireball3? after that, harrass him/her over phone?
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17:21<philsf>gz, you can't make this shit up
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17:22<fireball3>I'm asking on freenode too maybe we can get some shit started on this guy
17:23<djc>lucky yer using tor.. I'd be contacting your ISP and emailing them a log of what you are asking
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17:23<fireball3>lol noone does that kind fo stuff anymore waste of time
17:23<fireball3>mailing isps that is
17:23<djc>and also calling 'that guy' once and relaying your info to him as well
17:23<fireball3>he knows I'm doing it, I told him
17:24<b1ll>!op ban fireball3
17:24<djc>so he knew which isp to subpeona when he sues you
17:24<fireball3>but I'm online he can't do shit about it
17:24<amphi>fireball3: this is a debian support channel - please rave about this idiocy somewhere else
17:24<fireball3>sure
17:24<fireball3>suggestions?
17:25<djc>you're an abusive little shit.. and I hope he reports you to LE and you get thrown in jail
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17:25<fireball3>lol
17:26<djc>whatevr your beef with him his, harassing him is not a mature response
17:26<fireball3>I know, but it's one step on my learning
17:26<fireball3>I want to learn how to fuck with people enough so they will be driven to suicide
17:27<fireball3>Play with their emotions and stuff
17:27<fireball3>but I need people to help me with that or I'm not going to be able to do shit
17:28<petern>hmm, is it possible to change/override a usb device's vender_name and product_name?
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17:29<djc>I think only the codes are actually stored in the device
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17:29<djc>the names are looked up in a db
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17:29<djc> /var/lib/usbutils/usb.ids
17:29<EmleyMoor>I have a device that has different names with different backends
17:30<philsf>how so?
17:30<petern>hmm, actually it's the correct name in lsusb
17:30<djc>software uses the code to look up the name
17:30<djc>the name isnt given by the device
17:30<petern>yes i know
17:31<erebus_dark>Can anyone think of a reason why I can't use my USB keyboard at startup? I can't even get into my bios setup screen via the delete key.
17:31<djc>if you have different software that reports different names, its using different data for its lookup
17:31<petern>i asked the wrong question, it's alsa rather than the usb subsystem :)
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17:31<djc>erebus_dark, your pc bios doesnt support usb keyboards?
17:31<simonrvn>erebus_dark: plug in a ps/2 turn on your usb ;).
17:31<EmleyMoor>philsf: In the epson and epson2 backends for sane, it's a GT-9300... in epkowa it's a Perfection 2400
17:31<erebus_dark>I just installed Lenny and this issue started. I have always been able to use my USB keyboard
17:32<djc>wtf is epkowa
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17:32<djc>!epkowa
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17:32<philsf>EmleyMoor: are both these products even from the same maker?
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17:32<EmleyMoor>djc: A sane backend for many Epson scanners
17:32<djc>ah
17:32<djc>well, each backed uses different names
17:32<djc>pick one backend that works, stick with it
17:33<EmleyMoor>epkowa is the most reliable
17:33<djc>also, if one of them is correct and the other isnt, id suggest prefering the one thats correct
17:33<djc>what is the device, actually?
17:33<erebus_dark>simonrvn, any other suggestions why my keyboard all of a sudden doesn't work
17:33<EmleyMoor>All three are technically correct
17:34<djc>three??
17:34<EmleyMoor>Backends
17:34<EmleyMoor>Xoth names are right
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17:34<EmleyMoor>Both
17:34<djc>what name is monogrammed on the actual scanner
17:34<djc>"GT 9300" or "Perfection 2400" ?
17:35<EmleyMoor>Perfection 2400
17:35<simonrvn>erebus_dark: the debian kernels scan your usb bus for connected hid devices and modprobe the relevant modules if needed. you said you couldn't even type del to enter your BIOS, therefore your BIOS needs to have the USB turned on. it's not "another suggestion" sorta of thing.
17:35<simonrvn>s,sorta,sort,
17:35<EmleyMoor>GT-9300 is thought to be the Japanese name
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17:36<djc>erebus_dark, if your keyboard doesnt work at the bios screen, then it either dosnt support usb keyboards or has that option turned off.. period
17:36<djc>linux has nothing to do with it
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17:36<djc>oh he left
17:37<djc>EmleyMoor, then call it a perfection 2400, use that backend, and leave it at that
17:37<djc>oh, you wrent asking for help.. i see you were just mentioning that as an aside?
17:37<EmleyMoor>Yes
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17:38<EmleyMoor>Only problem I ever had with the scanner was due to a crap motherboard
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17:39<kurumin>hello
17:39<kurumin>i'm Leto
17:39<kurumin>From Brazil
17:40<djc>Yay
17:40<kurumin>can anyone help me?
17:40<djc>!tell kurumin about asking
17:40<philsf>kurumin: not if you don't ask a question
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17:41<philsf>kurumin: also, you're not using Kurumin distribution, right?
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17:42<kurumin>i'm having trouble to install Amsn here
17:43<kurumin>i've been instaled it...but dont appear it on my computer
17:43<djc>which release of debian are you using
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17:44<kurumin>let me see
17:44<kurumin>i dont remember
17:44<kurumin>it is Kurumin 7
17:44<djc>cat /etc/debian_relead
17:45<djc>Ah
17:45<djc>!debian
17:45<dpkg>from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
17:45<djc>!based-on-debian
17:45<EmleyMoor>!bod
17:45<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
17:45<djc>!based on debian
17:45<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
17:45<djc>oh
17:45<djc>heh
17:45<djc>kurumin, you'll want to find a kurumin support resource
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17:45<kurumin>thanks!
17:47<kurumin>well ... gtg
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17:50<Gun_Smoke>anyone running kde in sid? what is the current version?
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17:55<Gun_Smoke>actually curious about both gnome and kde versions in current sid
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18:08<c4_>hi
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18:09<c4_>how do i reinstall grub? i have started from an usb and # grub> root (hd0,3)
18:09<c4_>and says selected disk does not exist
18:10<c4_>but #> fdisk -l /dev/sda
18:10<c4_>tells me that /dev/sda3 is the /
18:11<amphi>c4_: sda3 is (hd0,2)
18:11<c4_>mm
18:11<c4_>hehe
18:11<c4_>you r right
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18:11<amphi>!r
18:11<dpkg>R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r", or http://www.r-project.org/
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18:12<c4_>ok, but again it says selected disk does not exist
18:12<c4_>amphi:
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18:12<c4_>amphi: i have made chroot to /mnt where /dev/sda3 is mounted
18:13<c4_>amphi: but it says selected disk does not exist
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18:59<eric_justin_allan>16 of 33 cds including the 1st kde install cd although I would have to recommend the unlabeled 1st cd.
18:59<eric_justin_allan>:P
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19:04<fekri>bonsoir tout le monde
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19:17<ben_>hello.
19:17<ben_>any one here?
19:18<ben_>hello?
19:18<ben_>???
19:18<ben_>???
19:18<abrotman>lots of people
19:18-!-erKURITA [erKURITA@31.Red-83-63-180.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
19:18<ben_>i got a question
19:19<ben_>abrotman
19:20<abrotman>so just ask it
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19:20<noppe>can someone explain to me what "Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -314705834 ns)" means?
19:20<ben_>is there an SMS (sega Master System) Emulator for debian
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19:22<ben_>?
19:22<ben_>brb
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19:23<abrotman>ben_: there is a genesis emulator
19:24<ben_>i know that but i also have sms roms
19:24<abrotman>ben_: apt-cache search xmess
19:25<ben_>anything else
19:25<ben_>doesn't xmess have to have the bios files?
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19:26<abrotman>no idea, never used it
19:26<ben_>ok
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19:27<mohloven>hii
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19:29<ben_>cya
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19:35<squelos>hello
19:36<squelos>im new to debian, and im running on SID AMD64, im trying to install secondlife, and heres the error i get while trying to launch the game :
19:36<squelos>!pastebin
19:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:36<squelos>http://paste.debian.net/32543/
19:40<bzed>squelos: it is missing libgobject-2.0.so.0 :)
19:40<bzed>squelos: and it actualyl says what you need to do
19:40<bzed>can't you read?
19:41<squelos>im not used to debian, and im not english either, but i missed that part :)
19:42<bzed>:)
19:42<squelos>it cant find it when i do an aptitude install -_-
19:43<bzed>you can't find what?
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19:43<ben_>hello?
19:43<squelos>hi
19:43<squelos>libgobject-2.0.so.0
19:43<bzed>squelos: go and read again what you put into the pastebin
19:43<ben_>im having a problem with zsnes
19:43<bzed>squelos: read it completely, including the last lines
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19:45<ben_>can anyone help me?
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19:46<ben_>!time
19:46<dpkg>well, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.04.05 23:46:29, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
19:46<squelos>i tried installing the packets and the end, but it cant find them
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19:46<bzed>which one?
19:46<abrotman>ben_: we need more info
19:47<ben_>there is no sound in zsnes
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19:47<ben_>at all.
19:47<squelos>all of them -_-
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19:48<ben_>!beer abrotman
19:48*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for abrotman
19:48<abrotman>ben_: you probably need the snd_pcm_oss loaded
19:48-!-david is now known as Sidicas
19:48<ben_>how do i do that?
19:49<ben_>!pizza abrotman
19:49<abrotman>modprobe
19:49<ben_>ok
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19:51<ben_>it came back with no output
19:51<ben_>now what?
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19:52<abrotman>try zsnes again
19:52<ben_>ok
19:53<ben_>still not working.
19:53<squelos>has anyone here tried secondlife ?
19:53<ben_>abrotman
19:54<ben_>?
19:54<abrotman>ben_: i've not used zsnes .. check /usr/share/doc/zsnes/ for documentation
19:54<ben_>ok
19:57<ben_>no luck ,help me
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19:59<ben_>has anyone here used zsnes?
20:00<Sidicas>I've used it
20:00<Sidicas>What's your problem?
20:01<ben_>sidicas , how come there is no sound when i play in zsnes
20:01<Sidicas>Do you have sound in anything else?
20:01<ben_>yes
20:02<ben_>yes i do
20:02<zulu9>I had that issue with zsnes too. I am running debian/unstable and it went away after some update. can't really point to what fixed it. no zsnes update tho
20:03<ben_>ok?
20:03<ben_>can anyone tell me how to fix it?
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20:04<ben_>i'm running debian 5.00
20:04<Sidicas>try zsnes -ad oss
20:04<zulu9>ben_: has it been working before for you? I remember wiping my .zsnes folder to fix some other issues I had wit saved states. maybe that helped
20:04<ben_>ok 1sec
20:05<Sidicas>And if that doesn't work, try zsnes -ad sdl
20:05<ben_>no it didn't work for me at all
20:05<ben_>hold on
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20:07<ben_>its too toothy sounding
20:07<Sidicas>but it is working? :D
20:07<ben_>a little
20:07<ben_>can it be smoother?
20:08<zulu9>sdl sound quality is really bad here too
20:08<Sidicas>I don't know what's wrong with your alsa that it's not working
20:08<ben_>is there a way i gan get it to sound clear
20:09<ben_>?
20:09-!-k [~k@pool-72-92-145-251.burl.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #debian
20:09<Sidicas>ya
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20:09<zulu9>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=470410 there is is (tho one year old) bugreport
20:09<ben_>so is it possible?
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20:13<ben_>i found this it's a patch
20:13<ben_>diff -ur zsnes-1.510.orig/src/linux/audio.c zsnes-1.510/src/linux/audio.c
20:13<ben_>--- zsnes-1.510.orig/src/linux/audio.c 2007-01-10 10:19:12.000000000 +0900
20:13<ben_>+++ zsnes-1.510/src/linux/audio.c 2008-04-08 16:32:57.000000000 +0900
20:13<ben_>@@ -177,11 +177,7 @@
20:13<ben_> }
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20:13<Sidicas>oops
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20:13<abrotman>!paste
20:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
20:13<ben_> {
20:13<Sidicas> :D
20:13<ben_> puts("pthread_cond_init() failed.");
20:13<ben_> }
20:13<ben_>+ else if (pthread_create(&audio_thread, 0, SoundThread_ao, 0))
20:13<ben_>+ {
20:13<ben_>+ puts("pthread_create() failed.");
20:13<ben_>+ }
20:14<ben_> InitSampleControl();
20:14<ben_> }
20:14<ben_>
20:14<ben_>hi
20:14<ben_>will this patch work?
20:14<Sidicas>No idea
20:14<ben_>brb
20:14<Sidicas>You have an Intel sound chip?
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20:25<ben_>sidicas , i have a ensoniq 1371 audiopci sound chip
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20:26<ben_>sidicas?
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20:26<ben_>hello?
20:26<ben_>?
20:26<ben_>l
20:26<ben_>l
20:26<ben_>l
20:26<ben_>l
20:26<ben_>l
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20:27<catap>ben_: what are you happing?
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20:28<deonild>Hey all, I'm fairly new to Debian / Linux, recently re-installed Deb after deciding what apps I want. Have 2 small problems. First background info that might help:
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20:29<deonild>Debian Squeeze(testing) XFCE DE with Gvim,Mousepad,Nexuiz,GIMP,Scribus,Audacious,Mplayer,Xfburn,Gftp,Icewealel,WCID,Wireshark,Xchat,Epdfviewer,Openoffice installed. Problem is:
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20:31<deonild>When I boot, about 10% of the time, maybe less, There is an eternal blank screen, after all regular loading, that it hangs, computing, fan kicks up, before GDM login screen... 1 time it got to login after 2 mins, other times after 5+ minutes I shutdown/reboot... what is it doing, errors?
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20:32<deonild>2nd, when I view some websites with Iceweasel, I think might be ones where it blocks pop-ups, it uses 100% CPU, "firefox-bin 66% and Xorg 33%" according to top. What is it doing/what can I fix?
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20:33<deonild>anyone had similar probs?
20:34<deonild>for prob #2, uses 100% power indefinatly untill I quit Iceweasel
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20:37<Sidicas>deonild, most likely that's a flash or java plugin doing that
20:37<Sidicas>Flash can take 100%, the more CPU you have, the faster it refreshes
20:37<Sidicas>Flash and Java are pretty much all CPU bound
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20:43<Rioting_Pacifist>i have a folder full of files named *.moz-backup and want to rename them all to *, i tried ksearchreplace but it just locks up when i enable regex
20:43<philsf>Rioting_Pacifist: do you know perl regexp?
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20:44<Rioting_Pacifist>no, from wikipedia i figured i just needed .*moz-backup though ?
20:45<philsf>Rioting_Pacifist: do you want to replace *.moz-backup with *, ?
20:45<Rioting_Pacifist>yeah so firefox-bin.moz-backup would become firefox-bin
20:46<philsf>Rioting_Pacifist: that's what I asked, there should be no ','
20:46<philsf>Rioting_Pacifist: rename 's/\.moz-backup$//' *
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20:47<deonild>Sidicas, thx, I did install flash thats probably it
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20:48<deonild>any idea about long blank screen while booting? that's more what I'm worried about, after 5+ minutes I hold-power off but hate doing that
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20:48<Rioting_Pacifist>thx, philsf thats just what i needed, will have to learn regex one of these days
20:48<eric_justin_allan>sorry
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20:49<eric_justin_allan>darnit I didnt mean that
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20:49<philsf>Rioting_Pacifist: the rename command uses perl regexps, not normal regexp
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20:50<philsf>you can learn it running 'perldoc perlretut'
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20:50<eric_justin_allan>:P
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20:51<lskfjlsdk>hey
20:51<lskfjlsdk>ok i want to ditch my soundcard and go with onboard. can i just pull the card or what?
20:52<abrotman>sure .. go for it
20:52<Rioting_Pacifist>thx
20:52<lskfjlsdk>ok. i don't think debian is recognizing my onboard sound device
20:53<lskfjlsdk>it doesn't show up in kmix/alsamixer
20:53<abrotman>lskfjlsdk: make sure it's not disabled in your bios
20:53<lskfjlsdk>...
20:53<abrotman>and some of them will shut down if the system sees another
20:53<lskfjlsdk>eh, brb
20:53<kenyon>deonild: sounds like a hardware problem
20:54<lskfjlsdk>well i have a usb headset
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21:03<Sidicas>deonild, try reseating your graphics card.
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21:04<lskfjlsdk>ok. i just ran alsaconf and selected C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) and it sounds like it playing on my compters speaker. i mean the MOBO SPEAKER NOT EXTERNAL
21:04<lskfjlsdk>yeah... it is
21:04<Sidicas>lol
21:06<Sidicas>You get music to play out your mobo speaker?
21:07<Sidicas>The best I can get is a bunch of beeps..
21:08<kenyon>Dells can do that with the mobo speaker.
21:08<Sidicas>That is awesome
21:08<Kagee>Is it so that if i download a stable netinst-image, i can still choose to install unstable?
21:08<abrotman>Kagee: you can get to usntable from stable, yes
21:08<lskfjlsdk>it's not awesome. its just a faint voice/notes
21:09<abrotman>did you plug the speakers into the onboard sound jacks?
21:09<kenyon>lskfjlsdk: maybe connect speakers to the audio out jack?
21:09<Kagee>abrotman: do i first have to install stable first, and the upgrade, or can i install unstable right away?
21:09<lskfjlsdk>which color is audio out?
21:09<kenyon>green
21:09<lskfjlsdk>i have red and purple plugged
21:09<lskfjlsdk>...
21:09<lskfjlsdk>just a sec
21:10<kenyon>Kagee: I think if you do expert install, you can choose unstable during install.
21:10<jason_>anyone use REALbasic for debian?
21:10-!-skilz [~skilz@c220-239-28-223.mirnd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #debian
21:11<jason_>or for linux at all
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21:12<diablo>siema
21:12<diablo>zyje ktos?
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21:14<diablo>hello
21:15<squelos>YES, i got second life to work !
21:15<abrotman>this is something to be happy about?
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21:15<diablo>help me install bitchx debian lenny
21:15<diablo>make error
21:16<Sidicas>xchat better than bitchx IMO
21:16<squelos>hello
21:16<squelos>yeah, i got it to work :D
21:16<abrotman>diablo: there is no more bitchx in debian
21:16<diablo>:(
21:16<abrotman>diablo: if you want a CLI IRC client, try irssi
21:16<diablo>need bitchx
21:16<Sidicas>Anybody know why Bitchx got cut from Debian? No support/patches?
21:17<jrabbit>cut?
21:17<jrabbit>it's not in the repos?
21:17<avu>!bitchx
21:17<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
21:17<jrabbit>haha
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21:17<diablo>;/
21:18<squelos>owned
21:18<Sidicas>lmao!! Nice
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21:18<diablo>/root/BitchX/include/ctcp.h:59: error: previous declaration of âctcp_typeâ was here
21:18<diablo>ctcp.c: In function âdo_botlinkâ:
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21:19<kenyon>!root
21:19<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
21:19<jrabbit>lol
21:20<abrotman>diablo: bitchx is not in debian, and it's abandoned upstream .. you shouldn't be using it
21:20<diablo>thx
21:20<Kagee>diablo: irssi is said to be configurable to bitchx-mode
21:21<diablo>:)
21:21<diablo>bay all fenks help me
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21:24<DeepDayze>some people might be running bitchx on an older install though
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21:25<abrotman>that doesn't make it okay :)
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21:26<Sidicas>What's the best MSN Messenger client?
21:26<chahibi>MSN Windows Live Extra Plus
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21:27<DeepDayze>pidgin's a good chat client
21:27<abrotman>FloodServ: a little late
21:27<chahibi>pigeons don't wizz
21:27<DeepDayze>lol
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21:37<Ben90>hi
21:37<Ben90>anyone here?
21:38<Sidicas>hi
21:38<Ben90>got a question
21:38<b1ll>!ask
21:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
21:38<Ben90>how do i make zsnes work with sound?
21:39<Ben90>sidicas
21:39<Sidicas>You tried that patch?
21:39<Ben90>no
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21:43<Cristopher>holaaaa
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21:47<Sidicas>!windows
21:47<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
21:47<Sidicas>!windowsxp
21:47<dpkg>it has been said that windowsxp is Micorosft Windows XP. The final revision of whistler, made to emulate Aqua. Looks fruity and as simple as Ms BOB. The BSOD screen can be replaced by goatsex page due to advances in .NET, or see factiod windows xp, or at http://q3test.2y.net/~moyix/images/xp_fascist.jpg
21:47<abrotman>Sidicas: msg the bot
21:47<Sidicas>sry
21:48<Ben90>!dos
21:48<dpkg>dos is, like, ;ask me about freedos.... C:DOS C:DOS RUN - RUN DOS RUN. Descent Operating System. DOOM Operating System. Disk Operating System, 'cause it supports those new-fangled disk thingies best operating system from microsoft !
21:48<Ben90>!linux
21:48<dpkg>from memory, linux is closed
21:48<Ben90>!time
21:48<dpkg>well, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.04.06 1:48:28, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
21:48<Ben90>!about
21:48<dpkg>enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or http://www.debian.org/intro/about
21:49<Ben90>i having a problem with zsnes
21:49<Ben90>i'm running debian 5.00 (lenny
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21:49<Ben90>the sound won't work at all
21:50<Ben90>except in sdl
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21:50<Ben90>but its choppy
21:51<abrotman>Ben90: msg the bot
21:51<Ben90>how
21:51<abrotman>then just stop abusing it
21:51<Ben90>huh?
21:52<Ben90>what did do wrong?
21:52<Ben90>i *
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21:53<Ben90>what did I do wrong?
21:53<Kagee>Ben90: If you open a private message window (/msg dpkg help) with dpkg, you can use the commands (time etc) there, and not fill the channel with your "experimentation"
21:53<Ben90>sorry
21:53<Ben90>my bad
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22:07<blarson>!motd0
22:07<blarson>!qotd0
22:07<dpkg><veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is.
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22:08<amphi>'motd', heh
22:09<Ben90>would zsnes work with the esd?
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22:09<marshall>hi u
22:09<Ben90>who?
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22:10<marshall>freshman
22:10<marshall>new here
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22:10<Ben90>yep
22:10<marshall>i am from China, u?
22:10<Ben90>canada
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22:10<marshall>nice to meet u
22:11<Ben90>you too
22:11<marshall>u born there?
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22:11<Ben90>marshal i got a question
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22:11<Ben90>and yes i was
22:11<marshall>what does this chat room used for?
22:12<Ben90>helping people
22:12<marshall>talk some tec
22:12<marshall>?
22:12<Ben90>i got a question.
22:12<marshall>say
22:12<abrotman>!ot
22:12<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
22:12<Ben90>my sound is not working in zsnes
22:12<Ben90>what would i do to fix that without using sdl
22:13<abrotman>just use sdl ?
22:13<Ben90>it's too choppy
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22:14<Ben90>can't we try to fix this problem together?
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22:15<Ben90>abrotman
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22:15<Ben90>can't we try to fix this problem together?
22:16<Ben90>abrotman?
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22:16<Ben90>!beer abrotman
22:16*dpkg pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for abrotman
22:16<sabin>can anyone help with compiling nvidia-kernel-source 1.80.29 with kernel-headers-2.6.29 on sid? module-assistant fails saying i'm missing a makefile
22:17<abrotman>Ben90: i'm telling you to either read the zsnes docs or use sdl
22:17<Ben90>ok then don't be so mean :((
22:18<Ben90>is there a frontend for mednafen?
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22:21<Ben90>abrotman is there a frontend for mednafen
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22:21<abrotman>i don't even know what it is
22:22<Ben90>it's an easier way to run a program
22:22<Sidicas> :D
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22:22<Ben90>sidicas
22:22<Ben90>is there a frontend for mednafen
22:23<Ben90>?
22:23<Sidicas>no
22:23<Ben90>ok
22:23<Ben90>is there a frontend for fceu
22:23-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
22:23<Ben90>just curious
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22:24<Ben90>arthurfurlan
22:24<Ben90>?
22:25<abrotman>Ben90: please stop harassing people .. ask your question and be patient
22:25<Ben90>ok sorry
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22:27<Sidicas>look up fceu on wikipedia
22:27<Ben90>ok
22:27<Sidicas>I'm going to bed.. 'night
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22:27<Ben90>night.
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22:30<Ben90>good night everybody
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22:47<k1lumin4t1>why does synaptic pays no attention to packaged that have been marked as hold with aptitude?
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22:50<k1lumin4t1>*packages
22:50<andresmh> /join #ubuntu
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22:50<stew>k1lumin4t1: aptitude has its own database for these things, I'd guess that it is looking at the dselect database (which is the one apt-get also looks at)
22:51<k1lumin4t1>stew, so synaptic looks at the same place where apt-get and deslect do?
22:51<k1lumin4t1>*dselect
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22:51<stew>k1lumin4t1: i don't know
22:52<stew>k1lumin4t1: that would be my guess, however
22:52<k1lumin4t1>ok
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23:05<VTommy>hello guys
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23:05<VTommy>i'm having trouble setting up postfix with sasl authentication for for relaying to my isp provider anyone can help me out?
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23:08<BlueG>If you setup a mixed stable/unstable system, and things break, how do you revert it to a stable system again?
23:09<Catprog>I cannot install apt-spy as I cannot connect to ftp.au.debian.org (32.1.3.136)
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23:13<VTommy>i'm having trouble setting up postfix with sasl authentication for for relaying to my isp provider anyone can help me out?
23:13<k1lumin4t1>BlueG, you can't
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23:13<k1lumin4t1>BlueG, there's no known way to safe and clean downgrades
23:13<VTommy>i have tried most everything with postfix settings but still no go
23:14<VTommy>i get "type=MX: Malformed or unexpected name server reply)"
23:14<VTommy>that's when i do mailq
23:14<Catprog>I can use wget to get www.google.com
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23:15<VTommy>Catprog can you ftp to ftp.au.debian.org
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23:15<Catprog>how can I check it?
23:16<VTommy>in terminal do
23:16<VTommy>ftp
23:16<VTommy>then do open ftp.au.debian.org
23:16<VTommy>if it's connecting then it should be working
23:16<Catprog>i have just installed debian
23:17<VTommy>btw what is that apt-spy?
23:17<VTommy>are your trying to install an application
23:18<VTommy>to download a program you use apt-get <appname> without the <>
23:18<VTommy>or you can always use aptitude to download what you need
23:19<Catprog>I am in the command line. no GUI Installed.
23:19<VTommy>to install apt-spy you should do apt-get apt-spy
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23:19<VTommy>that's all don in command line
23:19<VTommy>don=done
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23:20<VTommy>anyone can help with postfix sasl authentication problems?
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23:22<Catprog>The problem is I can't connect to a reporisty
23:22<VTommy>where are you located?
23:22<VTommy>Canda, US
23:22<Catprog>Australia
23:22<VTommy>k 1 sec
23:24<VTommy>do you have access to internet with that debian setup you have?
23:24<VTommy>if you do ping google.com
23:25<Catprog>time=40ms (ish)
23:26<VTommy>if you do apt-get update
23:26<VTommy>what does it say
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23:27<Steven_M>how do you increase swfdec's chache size?
23:27<Catprog>0% [Connecting to ftp.au.debian.org (32.1.3.136)] [Connecting to ftp.au.debian.
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23:28<VTommy>can you ping ftp.au.debian.org
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23:30<Catprog>no. neither with the ip.
23:31<VTommy>ok
23:31<VTommy>that is the problem
23:31<VTommy>let me try to find you a new repository site
23:32<VTommy>in the mean time use nano to open /etc/apt/sources.list
23:32<VTommy>and every line you see with DEB in front comment it with #
23:33<VTommy>what version of Debian, Etch or Lenny?
23:35<Catprog>Debian 4.0 r1 i3
23:36<Steven_M>does anyone here use swfdec in icewasel?
23:37<VTommy>so it's Etch ok
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23:41<VTommy>anyone can help with postfix sasl authentication problems?
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23:54<scientes>cyrus or saslauthd
23:54<scientes>i mean dovecot
23:54<scientes>use dovecot for sasl
23:55<scientes>http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
23:55<VTommy>it's set for cyrus right now
23:55<scientes>i never got cyrus to work
23:55<VTommy>i have tried all options
23:55<VTommy>k
23:56<VTommy>it is to relay messages from my server to ISP
23:56<scientes>?
23:57<VTommy>because they block all SMTP, it has to go true there server
23:57<scientes>ahh
23:57<scientes>thats differnt than sasl
23:57<VTommy>k
23:57<VTommy>what do i need ?
23:57<VTommy>i have tried everything
23:57<scientes>you need to send directly to them
23:57<VTommy>that i could find
23:57<scientes>not your own server
23:57<VTommy>i need to authenticate also
23:57<scientes>yeah send directly
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23:58<scientes>use postfix only for recieving thien
23:58<VTommy>what to use to send them to isp
23:58<scientes>smtp
23:58<VTommy>i can receive message with postfix right now
23:58<scientes>om ypir c;oemt
23:58<scientes>*with your client
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23:59<jvaccaro>Hi there
23:59<VTommy>what client should i use
23:59<jvaccaro>guys do you know any good Adempiere channel?
23:59<scientes>unless your isp allows unauthenticated forwarding through their server
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