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00:04<acpid-prob>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
00:05<acpid-prob>help please
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00:16<acpid-prob>There are 381 useres and nobody knows how to help?>
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00:20<eljefe>My X is behaving badly, and I don't know why. Kaffeine says it cannot find the 'xv' driver, and my dual-core Pentium D works too hard when trying to play video. Can anyone help me?
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00:21<knoppix_>hi
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00:21<Fohn>do you have a proprietary vidcard driver installed?
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00:22<eljefe>no, i have an ati card but i don't think its using that driver
00:22<eljefe>the overall performance seems pretty low
00:22<Fohn>I would recommend it
00:23<eljefe>yeah but even without it the computer used to do much better. i am waiting for radeonhd driver to do 3d, the ati driver constantly fails me
00:23<Fohn>huh
00:24<Fohn>try...
00:24<Fohn>dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg
00:24<eljefe>doesn't work on my sid system
00:24<Fohn>I really cannot be much help as I am a linux newbie
00:25<eljefe>which is bogus, it was the most useful command ever for these issues...
00:25<eljefe>oh well Fohn thanks for the assistance :)
00:25<Fohn>hah, actually for me it didn't fix the problem I ahd
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00:25<eljefe>ah what is that?
00:25<Fohn>which was actually a monitor resolution issue
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00:25<Fohn>it didn't recognize my monitor's specs so I had to manually enter its refreshrates into xorg.conf
00:26<eljefe>thats frustrating
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00:26<Fohn>which, for some still unknown reason, makes it so that my login screen is blank.
00:26<eljefe>which login manager? kdm? gdm?
00:26<eljefe>other?
00:27<Fohn>but, to complicate the issue, I think if I disable my ATI proprietary driver then the login screen displays :/
00:27<Fohn>gdm
00:27<eljefe>yeah man i am telling you, ati drivers are painful
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00:27<eljefe>i've had this card over a year, waiting on the radeonhd free drivers to support it :) and i've got ati working once
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00:28<Fohn>what chipset's your card?
00:28<eljefe>dunno... its a Radeon 3450
00:28<eljefe>the radeonhd driver page calls it a r600 i think
00:28<Fohn>that is the correct answer
00:28<Fohn>the first one
00:28<Fohn>I have a 4670
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00:29<Fohn>I would try to fix my problem but I honestly don't care about a blank login screen
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00:29<Fohn>especially since it makes a noise when I can start typing and a noise when login is successful
00:29<Fohn>and it keeps the parents off the computer :D
00:30<eljefe>lol
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00:32<Fohn>what's your xorg.conf say under Section "Device"?
00:32<Fohn>more specifically configured video dveice
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00:35<Fohn>you there?
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00:37<Desert_Storm>Fohn, could you help me?
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00:38<Fohn>what with?
00:38<Desert_Storm>Command "make"
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00:39<Desert_Storm>It always says the error "/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop."
00:39<Fohn>does it say you don't have that command?
00:39<Fohn>huh
00:39<Desert_Storm>It starts to make, but them, that comes up
00:39<Desert_Storm>and I've installed linux-headers-2.6.26-amd64
00:39<eljefe>Fohn I am running without an xorg.conf file
00:40<Fohn>is that what you are trying to make?
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00:40<Fohn>I have no clue then bossman
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00:40<eljefe>Desert_Storm: that was going to be my suggestion, install the headers
00:40<Desert_Storm>Fohn, nop, trying to
00:40<Desert_Storm>'make' wireless drivers
00:40<Fohn>huh
00:40<Desert_Storm>eljefe, woops,there seems to be other headers toohere
00:41<eljefe>Desert_Storm: which wireless drivers?
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00:41<eljefe>can you do it with module-assist? 'm-a a-i _drivername_'
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00:41<Fohn>I honestly have no clue :D
00:42<eljefe>aiighty i gotta go to bed
00:42<eljefe>have a good one guys
00:42<eljefe>Desert_Storm: look into m-a
00:42<Desert_Storm>Thanks, good night :P
00:42<Desert_Storm>Okay
00:42<eljefe>screw it
00:42<eljefe>lets get it working
00:42<eljefe>which drivers?
00:43<eljefe>Desert_Storm: as root: aptitude install module-assistant
00:43<eljefe>then as root: m-a prepare
00:43<eljefe>that will get the needed headers etc perfectly
00:44<eljefe>then m-a a-i _driver_ (or do it the longer way, module-assistant auto-install _driver_ )
00:44<Fohn>...what are headers? :D
00:44<eljefe>Fohn: they're the raw data that a kernel was before it got compiled... kinda like the source, but needed for drivers etc
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00:45<eljefe>not the raw data i guess, but info about the kernel
00:45<eljefe>Desert_Storm: once you have it built and installed it should appear in 'lsmod' output
00:46<eljefe>or add it to the system with modprobe _driver_
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00:46<Desert_Storm>eljefe,
00:46<Desert_Storm>I have a Atheros 5007
00:46<Desert_Storm>Some say, it should be coming with ath5k
00:46<Desert_Storm>and should work
00:46<Desert_Storm>but, I dont find any networks
00:47<Desert_Storm>eljefe, how can I tell my kernel version?
00:48<locsmif>Desert_Storm, uname -a
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00:49<Desert_Storm>damnit
00:49<Desert_Storm>these files are meant for kernel 2.6.27
00:50<eljefe>ah yes i know that dirver :( i think my coworkers laptop needed that kernel to install on debian
00:50<eljefe>i bet they'd work for 2.6.29 if you get that kernel
00:51<eljefe>ok really it is time for sleep
00:51<Fohn>agreed
00:53<locsmif>Desert_Storm, what do you mean by "these files"
00:53<Desert_Storm>Well, I tryed to "make"
00:53<Desert_Storm>and said the error, this one is for kernels 2.6.27... etc
00:55<gsimmons>Desert_Storm: compat-wireless is for kernels >= 2.6.27. compat-wireless-old is for kernels <= 2.6.26.
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00:56<Desert_Storm>gsimmons, where could I get it?
00:56<locsmif>Desert_Storm, are you using module-assistant or make?
00:56<Desert_Storm>make
00:56<Desert_Storm>although
00:57<Desert_Storm>I think I should take madwifi drivers
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00:59<locsmif>if you're not experienced compiling kernel modules, you should be using module assistant
00:59<locsmif>you can also run: m-a
00:59<locsmif>you'll get a whole menu-driven interface
00:59<locsmif>you can select the right package from a list.
01:00<locsmif>m-a will do everything for you, getting source, preparing the system, compiling, building a package and installing.
01:00<Desert_Storm>locsmif, wow loool
01:01<streuner_>maybe he dont need to read too...
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01:11<alephnull>Is there some way to "preseed" a local mirror with files from the installation CD with apt-mirror ?
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01:15<dat>hi to all,i am having vcd in which video file format is .dat when i mounted in debian then it is not playing?
01:15<dat>what will be reason/
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01:19<alephnull>dat: Don't mount it. Install vlc and select the "play disc" option.
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01:24<stardome>what are some of your favorite log files to follow with tail?
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01:32<dat>hi to all i am trying to run .dat file using totem,i am getting error as could not run from resource
01:34<jm_>dat: you were told already, use vlc or mplayer
01:34<dat>jm_ it is not running using vlc also
01:35<jm_>dat: then try mplayer
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01:48<dat>jm_ i have installed mplayer from that also it is not able to rub .dat filr
01:48<dat>file
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01:49<dat>jm_ still .dat file properties cantain file type is plain text document.
01:49<dat>it means my linux is not able to recognize it's correct file type
01:50<jm_>dat: what says it's a plain text file?
01:50<dat>jm_ yes but same thing is playing well in windows
01:51<jm_>dat: how can you answer such a question with "yes"?
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01:53<dat>jm_ :due to it is recognized as plain text document.defaultly it is opening with text editor
01:53<Desert_Storm>WOOT
01:53<Desert_Storm>FINALLY GOT WIRELESS WORKING
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01:54<Desert_Storm>Thanks for some users for saying, headers are wrong
01:54<dat>jm_ i have tried another dat file which file type is AVI video it runs fine
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01:55<jm_>dat: run "file" tool on it, what does it say?
01:56<dat>jm_ :file on .dat file shows ERROR: cannot read `/media/cdrom0/mpegav/avseq01.dat' (Input/output error)
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01:59<kwesi>how do i get aircrack?
01:59<jm_>dat: you can't typically mount such CD-s
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02:00<dat>jm_ i am able to mount CD but not able to play .dat file
02:00<tenzind>dat, mplayer vcd://track[/device] ??
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02:02<jm_>dat: yeh use it like tenzind said, it's in the man page
02:03<dat>tenzind, after running command #mplayer vcd://dec/cdrom it is showing error as Failed to open vcd://dev/cdrom
02:03<alephnull>Hey tenzind :)
02:03<tenzind>alephnull, hi ... :)
02:03<jm_>dat: the thing is it's not a regular file, it's in mode2
02:04<dat>jm_ mode2 means?
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02:04<tenzind>dat, try with mplayer vcd://1 or mplayer vcd://2 etc i think those numbers are tracks
02:04<locsmif>dat, what kernel version?
02:05<dat>locsmif, 2.6.22
02:05<jm_>dat: you can read about dfifference of mode1 vs mode2 on the net, but your usage is incorrect, try just vcd://2
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02:05<locsmif>dat, what Debian are you running? Etch?
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02:06<dat>it is lenny but i have compiled kernel
02:06<locsmif>Have you checked if you can play audio cd's?
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02:07<dat>locklace, tenzind jm_ thanks it is working with mplayer vcd://2
02:07<jm_>sure
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02:07<dat>jm_ video is showing
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02:08<dat>jm_ if it can run using mplayer why not by totem player?
02:11<jm_>dat: I don;'t know, I never used it
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02:11<Desert_Storm>locsmif,
02:12<Desert_Storm>thanks for all the help :)
02:12<dat>jm_ :in mplyer it is running with command but not with gui...
02:12<Desert_Storm>It works fine now!
02:12<Desert_Storm>Used Compat-wireless-old
02:12<Desert_Storm>:)
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02:16<jm_>dat: can't help you with that either, I don't use its GUI
02:16<locsmif>Desert_Storm, good news
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02:22<tenzind>dat, may be, rather than opening the dat files directly with totem, you may need to use Movie=>Play Disc in the totem gui ...
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03:16<omg_onoez>how can i "cat /dev/urandom > file" until it will become 20 mb long for example?
03:17<jm_>omg_onoez: use dd
03:17<omg_onoez>sorry for such a question
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03:35<aspin>anyone know if openpanel is ok with lenny?
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03:55<Jflesch> /win 17
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03:55<Jflesch>oops, sorry
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04:10<yo>hola
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04:46<omg_onoez>i wish to mount my /home as truecrypt container and so i wonder how can i mount it on boot
04:47<omg_onoez>i think it is not necessary to use fstab (even if it is possible)
04:47<omg_onoez>so, where should i add cmdline
04:47<omg_onoez>so it would be executed on boot
04:47<omg_onoez>?
04:47<omg_onoez>sry for my english btw
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04:49<jm_>omg_onoez: why don't you want to use fstab?
04:49<jm_>otherwise you can write an init script to do the job
04:49<omg_onoez>because i want to mount it using key file on sd card
04:49<omg_onoez>and there are some difficults for me
04:50<omg_onoez>i am new to linux
04:50<omg_onoez>(;
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04:50<omg_onoez>cuz what if i will forget to plug in sd card before booting
04:51<omg_onoez>or i dunno :D
04:51<omg_onoez>sry, nevermind
04:51<omg_onoez>and thx
04:51<jm_>look at /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example
04:52<omg_onoez>thanks for the tip
04:54<omg_onoez>linux changed my life, it always makes you to think and i guess everything is possible, right? :D
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05:10<EmleyMoor>Are Inel Next-Gen wireless cards supported OK at the moment?
05:10<EmleyMoor>Intel
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05:13<EmleyMoor>4965AGN
05:14<jm_>!ipw4965
05:14<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch> <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net.
05:14<EmleyMoor>I note there's a firmware
05:14<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks promising
05:15*EmleyMoor is thinking of getting a new laptop soon - and that card is a low-cost upgrade
05:15<themill>EmleyMoor: 4965 works fine with lenny and with etchnhalf; the 5xxx chip requires some more messing about
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05:15<EmleyMoor>themill: But can still be done?
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05:16<EmleyMoor>The other choices are Dell 1397 or 1515
05:16<sobersabre>hi.
05:16<themill>EmleyMoor: I believe so; just needs a newer kernel; /msg dpkg iwlagn
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05:16<sobersabre>I want to have a local mirror for debian stable of i386, amd64 and ia64.
05:16<sobersabre>I don't want to serve it over the net.
05:17<Desert_Storm`>Hello, could someone help me with Nvidia?
05:17<streuner_>sobersabre: /msg dpkg own repo
05:17<sobersabre>Desert_Storm`: What do you and Nvidia plan to do ? is it a crime ? I don't help with that...
05:17<Desert_Storm`>Wel
05:17<Desert_Storm`>I need to install the drivers :P
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05:17<streuner_>!nvidia
05:17<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
05:17<Desert_Storm`>Didnt plan another 9/11
05:18<sobersabre>Desert_Storm`: you need to refer to their website :P
05:18<sobersabre>how about that...
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05:18<themill>sobersabre: actually, that's not the preferred method for installing the nvidia drivers for debian.
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05:18<sobersabre>themill: I know.
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05:19<themill>so wtf are you telling Desert_Storm` to go to the nvidia website?
05:19<streuner_>sobersabre: check out wiki of Debian, the URL is mentioned in the factoid
05:19<sobersabre>ok.
05:19<sobersabre>Desert_Storm`: did you do anything to install nvidia drivers on your computer ?
05:20<Desert_Storm`>nop
05:20<streuner_>Desert_Storm: why do you think you need nvidia anyway?
05:20<streuner_>nv works here very well
05:20<streuner_>not 3D
05:21<sobersabre>Desert_Storm`: google up "debian nvidia installer"
05:21<sobersabre>it should bring you to debian wiki.
05:21<sobersabre>and ther you have several methods of installation.
05:21<Desert_Storm`>What driver do I need for 7150M?
05:22<sobersabre>Desert_Storm`: nvidia home page has this info.
05:22<sobersabre>I don't follow them.
05:22<Desert_Storm`>Okay, thanks
05:22<sobersabre>usually debian way installs you the correct driver automagically.
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05:22<sobersabre>this is why I don't follow.
05:22<jm_>Desert_Storm`: ther are only two versions available in Debian anyway
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05:23<streuner_>!dbugs 524638
05:23<dpkg>#524638:N[xserver-xorg-video-nv] xserver-xorg-video-nv: Unsupported device 0x10de0531 (GeForce 7150M) (); Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:27:02 UTC []
05:24<streuner_>hm
05:24<streuner_>so prolly NOT nv :-)
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05:26<Desert_Storm`>How do I close X service?
05:26<Desert_Storm`>I need it to install Nvidia package
05:26<jm_>how do you start it?
05:26<streuner_>Desert_Storm: just check out wiki
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05:27<streuner_>Desert_Storm: before you install packages of nvidia
05:27<streuner_>!nvidia
05:27<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
05:28<streuner_>Desert_Storm: the URL mentioned there, its a PITA to use nvida packages anyway, but its helpful, in that case, to use debian packages..
05:28<Desert_Storm`>Okay
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05:28<sobersabre>streuner_: did I write I wanted to serve custom packages?
05:28<Desert_Storm`>streuner_: but, I dont know what package do I need, for 7150M
05:28<eduardo>HOLA HAY ALGUIEN POR AHI??
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05:29<simonrvn>!br
05:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
05:29<sobersabre>eduardo: I think you need to refer to debian-es
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05:29<sobersabre>oh :)
05:30<sobersabre>ignorant me... I thought it's spanish...
05:30<streuner_>Desert_Storm: check out /usr/share/doc/<package> - there is (usually) a list which devices are supported, nvidia-glx or such (package)
05:31<streuner_>!info nvida-glx
05:31<streuner_>!info nvidia-glx
05:31<jm_>streuner_: he can't install nvidia-glx until the kernel part is installed :)
05:31<streuner_>jm_: well, he could extract the deb first?
05:32<jm_>streuner_: I doubt he knows how
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05:33<jm_>in any case, the regular driver supports it
05:33<streuner_>Desert_Storm: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-glx
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05:34<streuner_>Desert_Storm: "See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz for a complete list of supported GPUs and PCIIDs . "
05:34<Desert_Storm`>oke
05:35<streuner_>Desert_Storm: thats the URL for unstable/sid - http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx
05:35<streuner_>Desert_Storm: just download the deb and extract it
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05:35<streuner_>Desert_Storm: man dpkg (option -x) or just "ar" to extract it
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05:38<streuner_>Desert_Storm: besides, there is another package in Debian - http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx - i dont know which supports your videocard...
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05:44<jm_>the regular driver, not legacy
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05:46<streuner_>hm
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05:57<streuner_>amset:/tmp# zgrep 7050 README.txt.gz
05:57<streuner_> GeForce 7050 PV / NVIDIA nForce 630a 0x053A
05:58<streuner_>GeForce 7050 PV / NVIDIA nForce 630a 0x053B
05:58<streuner_> GeForce 7050 / NVIDIA nForce 610i 0x07E3
05:58<streuner_>jm_: thats the README file of sid ...
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05:59<jm_>streuner_: yes, I checked when he asked
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06:46<flips>hm, while netbooting lenny to do preseed installation, the installer tries to load the installer components (udebs?) and complains that it cannot find the CD-ROM ... I never saw this with etch, all I did then was copy the kernel and initrd to tftproot and it worked ...
06:48<jm_>yeah installer has components it loads
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06:49<flips>jm_: I know that, but why does it fail now with lenny ...
06:49<jm_>flips: did you check other tty-s where it prints various info?
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06:53<Razique>hi hi hi there
06:53<flips>jm_: yes, but couldn't see anything telling me the problem ... not shure how it is supposed to load the udeb's, though. Even though I just booted the kernel over the network, the NIC is not loaded ... (the e1000e drivers seems to be inside the nic-extra udeb)
06:53<Razique>does anyone noticed a tar limit ???
06:53<Razique>hi jm_ btw :)
06:54<Razique>I've like 20 000 files, and I'm unable to tar 'em
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06:55<jm_>flips: try using the advanced mode where you can load individual components and see what's available
06:55<jm_>Razique: the limit is not in tar
06:56<Razique>ok, but, it seems weird, cuz the .tar's size increases, then when the compression is over, the size decrease like less than 1 mb
06:57<jm_>Razique: what's the error message/command?
06:57<Razique>nothing :/
06:57<Razique>that's the point
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06:57<urbinek>hi
06:57<Razique>maybe it's cuz I use the tar command through pipe ?
06:57<Razique>hi :)
06:57<Razique>like find -mtime +2 | xargs tar etc....
06:58<jm_>that creates a new tar file every so often :)
06:58<urbinek>how can i shutdown hdd with hdpam on startup ?
06:59<urbinek>with script i /etc/init.d ?
06:59<Razique>jm_ what that means ?
06:59<mjt>Razique: read man xargs again
06:59<Razique>ok
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06:59<mjt>it invokes the command several times with different set of filenames each time
06:59<Razique>here is my command btw find $input_dir -maxdepth $max_depth -name '*.*' -mtime $time_filter | xargs tar -zcf input/input$currentdate.tar.gz
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07:01<jm_>urbinek: you can set spindown_time in hdparm.conf
07:01<mjt>Razique: you can change that xargs to use tar --files-from /dev/stdin
07:01<mjt>Razique: i mean, tar itself can read list of files to archive from a file.
07:01<urbinek>jm_: for all or just 1 disk ?
07:01<Razique>mjt : so in fact, that means that for every occurence, there is a new instance of xargs ?
07:01<jm_>urbinek: you can set the settings per device
07:01<urbinek>k
07:02<mjt>Razique: occurence of what?
07:02<jm_>Razique: no, new instance of *tar*
07:02<Razique>ah ok
07:02<Razique>my mistake
07:02<mjt>xargs runs tar for, say, each 10 files
07:02<mjt>next it runs tar for another 10 files
07:02<mjt>and so on
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07:02<Razique>ah ok
07:03<mjt>each time tar *creates* new archive
07:03<mjt>as it was told to do so
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07:03<jm_>you can also use xargs -p to see what is going on, or -t
07:03<Razique>yes, I get it dudes
07:03<mjt>jm_: or, really, tar --files-from
07:03<Razique>mjt : but where do all files go ?
07:03<Razique>i'm readin xargs
07:03<mjt>where a file go when you rm it?
07:04<jm_>mjt: yes, but that won't help him understand how xargs works
07:04<mjt>heh ok
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07:04<Razique>mjt : the tar goes in a remote directory
07:04<Razique>but as you said, in fact, for every occurence, my tar is overidden
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07:05<mjt>bye dpkg!.. ;)
07:06<mjt>Razique: and?
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07:06<urbinek>jm_: spindown is described by hdparm -S paametr ?
07:06<Razique>mjt : well so that means that I can't have my complete tar :D
07:06<mjt>that's not a right conclusion, not at all.
07:07<Razique>in the max xargs there is an interesting line
07:07<Razique> -a file
07:07<Razique> Read items from file instead of standard input. If you use this option, stdin remains
07:07<Razique> unchanged when commands are run. Otherwise, stdin is redirected from /dev/null.
07:07<mjt>wug.
07:07<mjt>just ignore that piece for now
07:07<Razique>mjt : yes I know :D but i'm trying to figure out how to do
07:07<mjt>don't be even more confused
07:08<mjt>i gave you an alternative way already
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07:08<mjt>that way does NOT involve xargs
07:08<scotz>hey guys
07:08<scotz>any1 care to help a debian noob :\
07:09<Razique>mjt : yes i'm trying to understand your solution
07:09<jm_>urbinek: indeed
07:09<mjt>!tell scotz -about ask
07:09<marceloa>hi
07:09<scotz>oh thanks mjt
07:10<marceloa>enouf, how can I tell what subpixel order to use for my lcd monitor
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07:10<Razique>mjt : I don't understand what why i can use /dev/stdin
07:10<Razique>i'm on the man but
07:10<scotz>ok so im running debian 500 or wat ever, im trying to install amsn and a few other things. but i keep reciveing errors like "Couldnt find package amsn"
07:11<Razique>scotz :
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07:11<scotz>yeh
07:11<Razique>cuz it's not the right name
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07:11<flips>jm_: advanced mode is just a kernel parameter?
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07:12<Razique>if you use the synaptic manager, run a search for the application you are looking for
07:12<mjt>Razique: i don't understand what are you asking.
07:12<zoz>hey hey hey
07:12<scotz>Im doing it from Konsole
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07:12<Razique>of so use the manager instead ;)
07:12<zoz>русские то есть или мажеры тока?
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07:13<Razique>mjt : well I want to create an archive based on the modification date, you advised me to use /dev/stdin for tar to look into
07:13<zoz>what is folder whith fonts type?
07:13<scotz>what do you mean "the manager"
07:13<urbinek>jm_ an one more commands in command line {} in hdparm.conf are executed on hdparm daemon start ?
07:13<Razique>scotz : launch Synaptic
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07:13<Razique>it's a gui which allows you to easily search for a package
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07:14<scotz>where do i find it
07:14<Razique>scotz : http://www.simplehelp.net/images/syna/synaptic01a.jpg
07:14<Razique>kinda
07:15<jm_>flips: let me see
07:15<jm_>urbinek: it's not a daemon as such, but yes, they get executed at boot
07:15<mjt>Razique: and?
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07:15<mjt>Razique: if you want some discussion, please don't require me to ping you.
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07:16<scotz>Razique: i don't have that..
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07:16<jm_>flips: sorry I meant run installer in expert mode
07:16<urbinek>jm_: thx, i'll just set commands there :D
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07:20<flips>jm_: yes, but which kernel argument is that (as I am booting over the net) ... is it just the priority=low ?
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07:21<jm_>flips: yup, looking at isolinux config file it's priority=low
07:23<scotz>E: Couldn't find package vncserver << wat am i doing wrong :S
07:23<mjt>asking it for a wrong package?
07:23<flips>jm_: The only choice I get is Detect and mount CD-ROM and Load installer components from CD ... but I am netbooting this ...
07:23<scotz>whats the right package then
07:24<mjt>there's no package named 'vncserver' in debian
07:24<scotz>vnc-server ?
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07:24<mjt>how about using apt-cache search for example?
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07:24<mjt>apt-cache search vnc server
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07:25<scotz>lol i did that, and it shows results for KDE
07:25<mjt>it reveals, among other things, tightvncserver and vnc4server
07:25<scotz>even if i try apt-get install vnc4server
07:25<mjt>and also linuxvnc
07:25<scotz>it doesn't work
07:25<flips>maybe there's some argument I can give the kernel/installer to make it load the components over the net, for I am able to detect and configure the network ...
07:25<mjt>vnc4server is available in all stable, testing and unstable
07:26<scotz>why cant i install it from konsole then
07:26<scotz>the package should be there..
07:26<mjt>that's a question to you, i guess ;)
07:27<scotz>well
07:27<scotz>if i ask a q, why answer it telling me silly things..
07:27<mjt>define "does not work"
07:27<jm_>flips: hmm d-i internals documents say that in case of netboot it loads additional installer components from network
07:27<scotz>yeh i told u
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07:27<scotz>Couldn't find package
07:27<scotz>i get it for everything i try to install
07:27<mjt>you told me that about vncserver, not about vnc4server
07:28<flips>jm_: yes, and with etch it did/does
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07:28<scotz>i get it for everything i try to install
07:28<scotz>Couldn't find package
07:28<mjt>aha, that makes sense
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07:28<scotz>what do you mean
07:29<mjt>i mean that it makes more sense than "it does not work"
07:29<scotz>ok.. continue...
07:29<mjt>now, let's verify /etc/apt/sources.lst and ensure you did `apt-get update'.
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07:29<mjt>sources.list it is
07:30<scotz>yes its there
07:30<jm_>flips: hmm maybe check BTS
07:30<scotz>and yes i did that
07:30<mjt>and update completed ok?
07:30<scotz>sure did
07:31<mjt>so how about `fgrep -r vnc4server /var/lib/apt/lists/' "
07:31<mjt>?
07:31<mjt>that's the dir where it puts the lists of packages available in places listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
07:31<scotz>nix:/etc/apt# E: Couldn't find package vncserver
07:31<jm_>or simply apt-cache policy vnc4server
07:31<Razique>mjt
07:31<Razique>i'm bask sorry i had to buy some food
07:32<Razique>i'm here*
07:32<mjt>scotz: it is again vncserver, which is NOT available.
07:32<mjt>and we already know that
07:33<scotz>Ok my bad,
07:33<scotz>i typed exactaly waht you said
07:33<Razique>so i don't get it how to get my find output and tar it ?
07:33<scotz>and nothing happens -.-
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07:34<mjt>Razique: instead of `find ... | xargs tar', use `find ... | tar --files-from /dev/stdin'
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07:34<mjt>Razique: i already told you to ignore that section about /dev/stdin in xargs manpage
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07:35<mjt>Razique: for now anyway
07:35<locklace>anything else need to be built in to the kernel for non-initrd boot except disk, fs and lvm drivers?
07:35<Razique>mjt : yes but i'm tryin to understand why stdins ;)
07:35<jm_>locklace: hardware drivers
07:35<Razique>stdin*
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07:35<mjt>Razique: because find prints list of files on stdiot, and you connecting that using pipe (|) to tar
07:36<locklace>jm_: hence "disk", or did you mean something else?
07:36<mjt>Razique: so for tar that will be stdin, which is /dev/stdin
07:36<locklace>jm_: all the low-level hw stuff too, obviously, like cpu/arch stuff
07:36<jm_>locklace: I meant controller, as in sata/ide/scsi/whatever
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07:36<Razique>mjt : ok, i knew about stdin, but i thought there were inodes ;)
07:36<jm_>I suppose that's what you mean b disk yes
07:36<jm_>by*
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07:37<Razique>I didn't knew we could use it :)
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07:37<mjt>Razique: /dev/std{in,out,err} are special, they point to actual real std{in,out,err} of a process
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07:37<zxd>test
07:37<locklace>jm_: right. actually for sata it seems like sata and scsi are both needed (at least this disk comes up as sda)
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07:37<zxd>test
07:37<mjt>Razique: some programs recognize stdin/out as `-' (single minus sign). Some does not, and that's where /dev/stdin comes handy.
07:38<Razique>mjt: ok, so that opens door to multiple things ! :)
07:38<mjt>sure
07:38<zxd>sure
07:38<Razique>jeez thanks man
07:38<Razique>I've learned something very usefull
07:39<jm_>locklace: indeed, you need SCSI disk support, but not low level SCSI drivers
07:40<zxd>test
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07:44<locklace>jm_: right. ok, i'll try it with fs, lvm, sata and generic-scsi built in
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07:45<scotz>mjt?
07:45<mjt>yeah?
07:46<mjt>ahh
07:46<mjt>heh, your answer were lost in other noise ;)
07:46<mjt>or is it noize?
07:46<scotz>lol
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07:46<scotz>But yeh, as we were saying i literally cant install anything ;\
07:46<mjt>yup
07:47<mjt>but ok, what IS, actually, in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
07:47<mjt>because if there's no files matching vnc4server in there, well... it's Not Good (tm)
07:48<scotz>there isn't
07:48<jm_>locklace: generic SCSI? you don't need that, you need SCSI disk support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD)
07:49<flips>jm_: I had to get the kernel inside main/installer-<arch>/netboot.tar.gz
07:49<ml>have you guys seen this ... http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/04/msg00056.html
07:50<jm_>flips: ahh and then it works?
07:50<scotz>:|
07:50<flips>jm_: yep, now I only have to get preseed to work ... can't say I like it, it's so undocumented and so many details that makes it break ...
07:51<locklace>jm_: ok. is any IDE/ATA/ATAPI needed for SATA?
07:51<Razique>mjt : what's your profession ?
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07:52<mjt>Razique: why are you asking? :)
07:52<Razique>just curious u know
07:53<Razique>most of us are network & sys admin
07:53<mjt>fsck. Oracle to buy Sun. www.sun.com
07:53<Razique>as I am
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07:54<jm_>locklace: nope
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07:55<mjt>scotz: so do you plan to answer to my question? because i'm about to go, but i don't think we finished... ;)
07:55<locklace>jm_: thanks. i used to know the relationship between all these drivers, but sata is new for me. :)
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07:57<jm_>locklace: some "new" IDE drivers also use libata (this is what most of SATA drivers use) and therefore also need SCSI disk support
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07:58<mjt>i switched to ata layer about 2 years ago ;)
07:59<scotz>mjt
07:59<scotz>?
08:00<mjt>did you forget to add some text before the question mark?
08:00*mjt is confused
08:00<scotz>wait
08:00<scotz>am confused
08:00<scotz>lol
08:00<scotz>did you answer my Q?
08:00<mjt>i'm waiting for you to answer mine
08:01<locklace>jm_: interesting.
08:01<mjt>15:47 < mjt> but ok, what IS, actually, in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
08:01<mjt>15:47 < mjt> because if there's no files matching vnc4server in there, well... it's Not Good (tm)
08:01<scotz>shall i paste?
08:01<mjt>are there any files in there? Yeah, ls -l output will be ok
08:01<mjt>to pastebin/whatever
08:01<locklace>now if only i could figure out why this machine hardlocks on resume after suspend-to-ram...
08:02<jm_>locklace: that's usually a bitch to debug, did you go through the list on the s2ram page?
08:02<scotz>nix:/var/lib/apt/lists# ls -l
08:02<scotz>total 1752
08:02<scotz>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1142739 2009-04-20 10:37 Debian%20GNU_Linux%205.0.0%20%5fLenny%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20kde-CD%20Binary-1%2020090214-17:33_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages
08:02<scotz>-rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2009-04-20 10:35 lock
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08:03<scotz>lol i
08:03<scotz>i knew that would happen :|
08:03<mjt>aha, that's ok
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08:04<scotz>:s
08:04<jm_>maybe he only has CD in sources.list
08:04<mjt>yes he is
08:05<mjt>or he has - what's right?
08:05<mjt>sorry i'm not a native English speaker :)
08:05*scotz confused
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08:05<locklace>jm_: yeah, i did, most of those hacks relate to video but this issue may not be video-related (it's a hardlock, i.e. the caps-lock test fails)
08:05<locklace>jm_: however i still went through and tried all the s2ram options on the page, no dice
08:05<mjt>and that CD is labelled "KDE CD"
08:06<jm_>locklace: then try to ask on LKML or use a newer kernel
08:06<scotz>uhh
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08:06<locklace>jm_: this is 30rc2
08:06<mjt>scotz: you have to add more sources to sources.list
08:06<mjt>scotz: right now you only have base system, some parts of X and some KDE stuff
08:06<jm_>locklace: ask on lkml/submit a bug in bugzilla?
08:06<scotz>ok so what should i add
08:07<mjt>scotz: the rest of the packages (it's about 10 DVDs) are not on that CD
08:07<locklace>jm_: i actually got it to work in the stock lenny kernel, so it seems like a regression, unless i did something stupid with my custom kernel options (no idea what, though)
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08:07<scotz>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
08:07<scotz>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
08:07<scotz>deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
08:07<scotz>deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main
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08:07<scotz>thats what's there so far :s
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08:07<weasel>scotz: do it again and it'll have been the last time.
08:08<scotz>excuse me?
08:08<locklace>the linux-pm list is the next stop, i guess
08:08<weasel>scotz: use a pastebin and don't flood the channel.
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08:08<scotz>lol, i was told it was ok..
08:08<scotz>to paste ^^
08:08<scotz>:|
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08:09<mjt>scotz: first, your `apt-get update' did NOT finish. If it were, you'd have files for all those in /var/lib/apt/lists/. And second, you're missing the main thing -- like, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
08:09<jm_>locklace: sounds like it yes, looks like I am lucky as it seems to work OK for me on 3 different machines
08:09<mjt>scotz: `apt-get update' does exactly one thing: it fetches package lists from places listed in sources.list and puts those lists into /var/lib/apt/lists/
08:10<scotz>Reading package lists... Done
08:10<scotz>it did lol ;\
08:10<scotz>or didn't it
08:11<locklace>jm_: are you using 30rc2 also?
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08:12<mjt>scotz: but hell, is that the ONLY file in your /var/lib/apt/lists/? That CD-rom one?
08:12<locklace>interestingly, it fails in a different way with the latest debian kernel from sid
08:12<jm_>locklace: not yet, still at 2.6.28
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08:12<mjt>hm.
08:12<locklace>(which is a 2.26.29 kernel)
08:13<mjt>locklace, jm_ : care to express what's the problem in a short sentence? Because the whole discussion is quite noisy.. and i sense something.. interesting.. :)
08:13<scotz>no theres a few
08:13<mjt>damn
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08:13<scotz>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
08:13<mjt>scotz: ok, anyway, you're missing the main portion - again, *if* that's the only content of your sources.list
08:13<locklace>mjt: my problem is that resume after suspend-to-ram results in hardlock
08:14<mjt>ahhh
08:14<scotz>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
08:14<scotz>theres few others
08:14<mjt>scotz: stop it
08:14<scotz>ok..
08:14<mjt>check if you have the main line in there
08:14<mjt>which i already showed you
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08:14<scotz>can you show again please
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08:15<mjt>wug
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08:15<scotz>the "main line"
08:15<mjt>scotz: see /usr/share/doc/apt/example/source.list
08:15<mjt>scotz: see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/source.list (exampleS)
08:16<mjt>damn
08:16<mjt>/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list -- sourceS ;)
08:16<weasel>mjt: you know, irssi would tab complete it for you
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08:17<mjt>hm. it does not here
08:17<weasel>mjt: it does, only not at the beginning of a line
08:17<mjt>yup got it
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08:17<mjt>i never needed such a thing in irssi ;)
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08:17<weasel>you clearly had needed it up there :)
08:17<scotz>lol
08:17<scotz>mjt: i dont have examples in there
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08:18<locklace>hmm. is device mapper (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM) the only kernel option for lvm?
08:18<mjt>ok, i'm about to give up.
08:18<mjt>scotz: who removed examples?
08:19<scotz>no one
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08:19<mjt>scotz: what else he removed?
08:19<scotz>i just installed this like 1 hour ago
08:19<mjt>hwell.
08:19<weasel>scotz: what does cat /etc/debian_version say?
08:19<mjt>so, do you have something like
08:19<mjt> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
08:19<mjt>in sources.list?
08:20<mjt>or http.SOMETHINGELSE.debian.org/debian/ ...
08:20<jm_>scotz: do you have netselect-apt command?
08:20<scotz>5.0
08:20<scotz>& no, that command doesnt work
08:21<mjt>but i'd say, *finally*... scotz: please paste your sources.list file, *COMPLETE*, to pastebin.com or similar.
08:21<mjt>because so many questions and guessed based on incomplete answers - it's enough.
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08:22<mjt>my last guess is that he does not have main debian repo in his sources.list. But "and a few more lines" is umm.. not a right answer.
08:23<mjt>and i have to run right now.
08:23<scotz>sec
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08:26<scotz>http://pastebin.com/m6bf6dc6a
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08:27<weasel>I'd add an actual debian source from the net instead of the CD.
08:28<Gekz>i'm trying to generate a deb
08:28<Gekz>but I need to a set a flag for ./configure
08:28<Gekz>how do I do that?
08:28<jm_>Gekz: debian/rules
08:28<Gekz>I'm using dpkg-buildpackage
08:28<Gekz>jm_: how do I abuse it
08:28<weasel>call configure with the proper flags?
08:28<Razique__>I made a mistake now I have a directory called "--from"
08:28<jm_>Gekz: edit it?
08:28<Razique__>how can I remove it ?
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08:28<jm_>Razique__: man page explains it
08:29<Gekz>oh dear god
08:29<Gekz>sorry
08:29<Razique__>ok i'll see
08:29<Gekz>I completely missed the line in the file
08:29<Razique__>:)
08:29<Gekz>so I was right origianlly, lol
08:29<Gekz>thanks
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08:29<Razique__>rm -- --files
08:29<Razique__>:)
08:30*Razique__ feels dumb
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08:31<sivan26>Hello , does linux (ex3 filesystem) have some folders / files limitation ? can i store 1,000,000 files on the same folder ? can create 1,000,000 folders ?
08:32<scotz>yay
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08:32<scotz>so it was all because my sources :}
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08:33<jm_>sivan26: yes it does
08:33<sivan26>jm_: what is the limit ?
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08:34<scotz>thank's mjt
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08:36<jm_>sivan26: 32000 for dirs (in one dir, or was it 65000?), number of files is limited with parameters used at fs creation time
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08:36<sivan26>jm_: how can i check what were the parameters used at fs creation time ?
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08:37<weasel>tune2fs might be able to tell you
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08:37<jm_>sivan26: also df -i
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08:38<jm_>or simply dumpe2fs
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08:38<locklace>argh. my non-initrd kernel doesn't work.
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08:39<locklace>apparently it can't use /dev/mapper/foo as a root device
08:39<locklace>not sure what's needed to get it to use an lvm as the root fs
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08:40<jm_>locklace: wait, are you sure you can use lvm without initrd?
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08:40<locklace>no, i'm not sure, but i'll be annoyed if i can't :)
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08:41<jm_>docs say it's needed
08:41<locklace>damn.
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08:44<weasel>locklace: an initrd.
08:44<weasel>.o(that's why nobody in their right mind puts / onto lvms.)
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08:45<locklace>seems like a pointless restriction
08:45<weasel>erm
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08:45<weasel>something needs to setup the volumes.
08:46<weasel>and that's a userland job, the kernel doesn't do it
08:46<bremner>magic elves
08:46<weasel>bremner: yeah, that'd do it
08:46<weasel>but they are in such short supply these days
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08:47<locklace>weasel: as i just discovered. the kernel should be capable of reading and mounting an lvm-based fs
08:47<petemc>where did you discover that?
08:47<weasel>and where would it find that filesystem?
08:47<locklace>it ought to be nothing more than a new "partition type"
08:47<jm_>locklace: it's way more
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08:50<locklace>anyway, it doesn't do it, so i'm sol. thanks for the tips anyway. :)
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08:53<Orkidatar__>hello
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08:53<Razique__>hi
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08:54<Orkidatar__>do you know how to create an initrd containing a debian-installer ?
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08:55<Orkidatar__>i want to boot my own kernel and jump directly in the initrd to start an installation
08:55<jm_>Orkidatar__: look at netboot docs/images
08:57<Orkidatar__>ok thanks
08:57<flips>Orkidatar__: modify the default initrd.gz ... zcat /path/to/initrd.gz | cpio -id in a directory you will work in
08:58<flips>and then find . and cpio | gzip -c >new_initrd.gz to create the initrd again
08:58<Orkidatar__>but what should i add into ?
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08:58<flips>(google for exact syntax) the installer is in lib/debian-installer*
08:58<jm_>don't forget to use the right format with cpio or kernel won't like it
08:59<Orkidatar__>ok thanks
08:59<flips>anyone remember what to put in preseed.cfg to make it automatically reboot instead of showing the Installation complete dialog?
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09:01<flips>Orkidatar__: this is the command I use to create a new initrd.gz after modifying the contents: find ./ | cpio -H newc -o | gzip -c > ../initrd.gz
09:03<gsimmons>flips: d-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note
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09:04<flips>gsimmons: thanks :)
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09:09<flips>the preseed statements for selecting keyboard layout found here: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html ... didn't work, it seems
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09:13<Razique__>have to go
09:13<Razique__>thanks jm_
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09:14<locklace>yergh. now i have to figure out how to resize the physical lvm partition to make a new root. this should be fun
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09:16<ranix>I updated a package, and rejected the package maintainer's default configuration file, electing to keep my own (Default option=N style). Now my package fails to configure due to configuration incompatability. I wish to alter my decision and forcibly install the default package maintainer's configuration. How do I accomplish this?
09:17<Caldavien_>Does any one know a way to recover from a bad "apt-get purge" command either a command or even recovery software
09:17<jm_>ranix: cp file.conf.dpkg-new file.conf
09:17<jm_>ranix: or reinstall the package
09:20<mjt>reinstall will not ask that question again, methinks
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09:20<jm_>let's test
09:22<ranix>what the FUCK
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09:22<jm_>looks like it indeed doesn't if version doesn't differ
09:23<ranix>I am still getting "DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF found in exim configuration. This is most probably..." despite "grep -i debconf exim4.conf.template" showing no occurrance of that string
09:23<ranix>and my exim4 configuration seems boned
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09:24<jm_>hmm exim is a different beast
09:24<petemc>ranix: deleting the old dpkg files cures that problem
09:24<petemc>at least in my experience it did
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09:24<mjt>wug
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09:25<mjt>it's not DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF, it's something.dpkg-{old,new}
09:25<mjt>exim supposed to skip those files
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09:26<mjt>if it doesn't i'd file a bugreport
09:26<manel>#list
09:26<ranix>there is one
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09:27<ranix>#431019 I think
09:27<ranix>it appears to be looking in /etc/exim4/conf.d
09:27<ranix>but I use unsplit configuration
09:27<ranix>damn that's obnoxious
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09:28<valdyn>ranix: the old config file is gone?
09:29<valdyn>ranix: or new one even
09:29<dat>hi to all i am unable to play 046d:092f webcam quickcam express
09:30<streuner>find a driver
09:30<streuner>Logitec webcam are supported usually :-)
09:30<ranix>valdyn: there is no exim4.conf.dpkg.*
09:31<ranix>valdyn: there is only exim4.conf.template
09:31<gsimmons>!tell dat -about quickcam
09:31<valdyn>ranix: there cant be an exim4.conf either
09:31<valdyn>ranix: sure there cant be an exim4.conf.dpkg.*
09:31<streuner>!quickcam
09:32<dpkg>QuickCam is a brand of webcam manufactured by Logitech. To install the driver for old-model QuickCam Express: "aptitude install module-assistant qc-usb-utils && m-a a-i qc-usb && modprobe quickcam". Later models (product IDs: 0x920, 0x921) are supported by the <gspca> driver instead (ask me about <gspca one-liner> for kernels < 2.6.27). UVC/non-UVC device lists: http://quickcamteam.net/devices See also <uvcvideo>.
09:32<valdyn>ranix: the file is exim4.conf.template
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09:32<ranix>valdyn: have you been incinerating marijuana
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09:33<valdyn>ranix: nope, i use exim for 5 years, i do know how a debian exim install looks
09:33<ranix>valdyn: the file would be exim4.conf.template.dpkg-old/new/whatever
09:33<valdyn>ranix: yes
09:34<ranix>valdyn: and I am reading /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf and it is looking for occurrences of DEBCONF.*DEBCONF in /etc/exim4/conf.d/ which is stupid and wrong, and whoever put that there actually had the balls to say he wasz fixing a PEBCAK problem
09:34<valdyn>ranix: why would that be wrong?
09:35<ranix>I would like to find who that guy was and flip him off
09:35<ranix>because not everybody uses conf.d
09:35<valdyn>ranix: EVERYBODY in debian uses conf.d
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09:35<ranix>conf.d is irrelevent if one uses joined configurations
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09:36<valdyn>ranix: nope
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09:36<valdyn>ranix: exim4.conf.template doesnt have the suffix template for fun
09:37<ranix>valdyn: you are wrong, I think. The file dates of the files in conf.d are completely old, all of them, from 2006 and 2007
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09:37<ranix>if update-exim4.conf was updating those files from the conf.template they would be different dates
09:37<ranix>I do think
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09:41<valdyn>ranix: as far as i can see quickly the /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp is made from the template and the single config files
09:42<valdyn>ranix: in which case the dates are obviously ok, even if they are old
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09:49<flips>if I could only get keyboard selection in preseed to work ...
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09:50<ArthurLiu>grub2 refuses to boot on any of my 2.6.29 images (686, 686-bigmem, amd64), saying "invalid magic number", but will happily boot on any of my 2.6.26 images, is there any reason to that ?
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09:50<ArthurLiu>my /boot is on a ext4 partition with extents enabled
09:50<ArthurLiu>it did work on previous boots with the exact same setup..
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09:50<valdyn>ArthurLiu: do not dare touching your 2.6.26 kernels
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09:51<ArthurLiu>they can't mount / anyway..
09:51<valdyn>ArthurLiu: your 2.6.26 images are yet stored in a ext3 compatible layout, so they can be read
09:51<ArthurLiu>that's what I infered
09:51<ranix>valdyn: config.autogenerated.tmp should be made from the template OR the single config files
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09:51<ArthurLiu>but what do I do now..
09:51<valdyn>ArthurLiu: your 2.6.29 images are stored in a ext4 layout, so grub cant read them
09:51<ranix>exclusive or
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09:52<valdyn>ArthurLiu: you boot a livecd and recreate the /boot partition properly
09:52<ArthurLiu>mmh
09:52<valdyn>ranix: nah
09:52<ArthurLiu>my /boot is my / ..
09:52<valdyn>ranix: that template uses stuff defined in the small files iirc
09:52<ArthurLiu>now, where do I find a 2.6.29 livecd ?
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09:53<ArthurLiu>I could turn the swap into /boot temporarily I think
09:53<valdyn>ArthurLiu: on google
09:53<ArthurLiu>damn, this is annoying
09:54<valdyn>ArthurLiu: you will have to recreate /boot and reinstall grub, -> grub-install /dev/whatever
09:54<valdyn>ArthurLiu: from a chroot that you setup from that livecd
09:54<valdyn>ArthurLiu: or you could just restore from backup
09:54<ArthurLiu>mmh yes, I can't think of an easier way..
09:55<ArthurLiu>I though that the latest grub2 was ok with ext4 ?
09:55<valdyn>ArthurLiu: its not
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09:55<ArthurLiu>oO
09:55<ArthurLiu>bah
09:55<valdyn>ArthurLiu: it will work ok if you have an ext4 /boot with extents disabled
09:56<valdyn>ArthurLiu: but not because it supports ext4, but because that makes it an ext3 fs basically
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09:56<mjt>btw, anyone know if extlinux is ok with ext4?
09:56<valdyn>mjt: what is extlinux?
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09:57<vinicius>where can i get some humna help with sed?
09:57<mjt>it's like syslinux/isolinux/pxelinux/...
09:57<vinicius>*human
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09:58<gsimmons>vinicius: #sed on irc.freenode.net.
09:59<vinicius>gsimmons, thnkx
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10:04<valdyn>mjt: i think its very unlikely that it will get along with extents
10:04<valdyn>ranix: you were right i think
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10:05<valdyn>ranix: the template is generated it seems, so maybe thats what you want
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10:08<ArthurLiu>"[Debian-live] Images for etch, lenny and squeeze are working, images for sid are waiting for 2.6.29 kernel modules passing NEW queue. [2009-04-09]"
10:08<ArthurLiu>mmh
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10:09<valdyn>ArthurLiu: you dont need .29 anyway, .28 is ok
10:09<ArthurLiu>mmh, yes
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10:10<ArthurLiu>cdimage.d.o is down
10:10<valdyn>ArthurLiu: hint: every ubuntu release / beta / alpha is also a live cd
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10:10<weasel>ArthurLiu: erm. no.
10:10<ArthurLiu>weird
10:11<ArthurLiu>it works from a remote server but not from where I am, but I can ping
10:11<ArthurLiu>what the hell
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10:13<ArthurLiu>I'll play with live-helper then
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10:20<gigo>ciao
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10:47<ed_n>Does anybody have any experience running debian on an acer aspire one?
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10:47<amphi>ed_n: linux-laptop.net and/or tusxmobil.org perhaps
10:47<gsimmons>!tell ed_n -about acerone
10:48<ed_n>gsimmons, Why don't you tell me?
10:48<gsimmons>ed_n: Uh, dpkg just did.
10:49<ed_n>gsimmons, ? I don't see that dpkg said anything at all?
10:50<gsimmons>!acerone
10:50<dpkg>The Aspire One netbook is a low-cost laptop PC manufactured by Acer. Models supplied with Linux are shipped with the <Linpus> Linux Lite operating system and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne for installation, configuration and troubleshooting instructions.
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10:50<ed_n>gsimmons, ah! There it is. Thank you!
10:51<Wesley_>Hi! when booting my system hangs at "Starting S.M.A.R.T. deamon: smartd"
10:51<Wesley_>been googling but can't really find a solution
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10:52<ed_n>Wesley, I don't think anything is wrong with debian. Maybe your hardrive doesn't support SMART
10:52<ed_n>Wesley, maybe you could poke around the bios and see what you find
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11:02<Caldavien_>where can I find out what packages are installed when you make choices at the "Software selection" stage of deb5 installation?
11:03<gsimmons>!tell Caldavien_ -about tasksel
11:05<Boghdan>Having a problem with Debian Lenny (KDE). When i start some software (digikam, amarok, ...) it hangs on starting and appears only after some minutes of waiting. Nor CPU, nor RAM doesn't look to be overloaded at that time and nothing suspicious in the Konsole, when i try to start the program from there. Has anyone met this problem?
11:05<Caldavien_>thank you gsimmons, but thats not really what Im looking for, Im still in the install, and I was hoping for a reference page that tells me when I choose "webserver" what is actualy installed
11:06<gsimmons>Caldavien_: /msg dpkg server tasks
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11:07<themill>Caldavien_: there are lists of the packages on the wiki
11:10<ranix>Is there a test message that can be sent, similar to the EICAR test virus, that will trigger SpamAssassin to reject with 100% probability?
11:10<weasel>let me mail it to you..
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11:14<kop>Boghdan : The only problems I've had like that are related to dns resolution issues, which I can't imagine affects the applications you mention.
11:15<themill>ranix: /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/examples/sample-spam.txt
11:15<Gathond>Boghdan: not having an entry for localhost in /etc/hosts perhaps?
11:15<malex>phpmyadmin on unstable is not installable atm because of php5-mcrypt: Depends: libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2) but it is not installable and packages.d.o is either down or inaccessible from where I am. Does anyone have a direct link to it?
11:15<Boghdan>kop, nope. nothing with dns..
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11:16<malex>rmadison doesn't even show it in unstable
11:16<valdyn>Wesley: disable smartd completely
11:16<valdyn>Wesley: it does hang some disks indeed
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11:17<valdyn>Wesley: we dont know if that is your error yet though
11:17<Gathond>Boghdan: try strace or ptrace to see what it gets stuck with
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11:17<Boghdan>Gathond, there are some entries in hosts
11:17<Boghdan>ok. i'll try
11:17<mtc>hi lately my desktop does not obtain a dhcp address by the time the gnome starts... is there a way to query again without logging on as root?
11:17<valdyn>mtc: yes and no
11:17<valdyn>mtc: no with your current setup, yes if you use something like network-manager
11:18<mtc>valdyn: will install network-manager then, thanks
11:18<valdyn>mtc: but thats maybe more work than you really need to do.. why dont you use root and reset the interface?
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11:19<valdyn>mtc: or why dont you fix your dhcp
11:19<mtc>valdyn: I have been everyday logging in as root and running dhclient, but would like to avoid these steps
11:19<valdyn>mtc: you are aware of "su" and "sudo" ?
11:20<mtc>valdyn: that is what I mean by logging in
11:20<Boghdan>Gathond, how to i use strace? $ strace <application>?
11:20<Gathond>Boghdan: in the simple form
11:20<mtc>valdyn: want to turn on the computer and read the news in the morning - not first have to run a command from the console
11:21<mtc>valdyn: suppose I could write a script to save a little typing, but would still have to type the root password before using the network
11:22<mjt>setting up /etc/network/interface entry with `dhcp' method will help
11:22<mtc>valdyn: network-manager and network-manager-gnome are both already installed
11:22<ooter>could always unplug then plug it back in
11:22<ooter>the ethernet or whatever that is
11:22<mtc>ooter: yes ethernet
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11:23<mtc>mjt: already an entry in /etc/network/interface as "iface eth0 inet dhcp" -- is this what you mean?
11:23<mjt>mtc: yeah
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11:24<chicooo17>olaa
11:24<mjt>mtc: it should just work in that case. I guess you'll have to look into logs to find out why it is failing.
11:24<chicooo17>quien habla español?
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11:27<mtc>mjt: not seeing anything in the messages log - any other log to check?
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11:32<mjt>mtc: how about, say, `ifdown eth0' (this should bring your interface down) and `ifup eth0' again to see how it looks like? And also, look at /var/log/daemon.log.
11:32<mjt>mtc: I don't know how this area is done in debian, never used dhcp.
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11:32<mtc>looks like network-manager is handling configuration on boot
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11:32<mjt>oh, and THAT one i don't know at all.
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11:34<beer>hi
11:34<beer>did something interested happening today
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11:34<mjt>like oracle bought sun?
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11:34<beer>year, something like that
11:34<petemc>no, nothing
11:35<mjt>so here we go when... ;)
11:35<beer>that is a shame
11:35<amphi>beer: I added a keybinding for toggleStruts in my WM config
11:36<beer>sounds nice
11:36<amphi>thrilling, eh? ;)
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11:37<beer>new hacks are always thrilling
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11:38<amphi>heh
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11:38<mtc>mjt: http://pastebin.ca/1397348 not seeing anything at the moment - but I will check this log tomorrow morning if the same happens
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11:40<nwcod1>tach
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11:52<kunal>hello. i am having slight problem with debian.
11:53<kunal>i would like to know how i could install my vga card
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11:53<kunal>could someone please advice me ? i would highly appreciate any help.
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12:00<kunal>anyone here?
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12:01<ffws>kunal: I see 417 nicks...
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12:04<cahoot>!ask
12:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:05<fxiny>sweet as 100% packet loss :P
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12:08<cahoot>implying the message fell wayside?
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12:12<fxiny>kinda deserved ddos , is in the news , i care of :)
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12:13<balazsbela>hello all.
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12:13<balazsbela>I did a dist-upgrade and now dpkg can't configure hal
12:13<balazsbela>it says Starting Hardware abstraction layer hald and it hangs
12:13<balazsbela>no error
12:13<balazsbela>it just doesn't start it
12:13<balazsbela>what to do ?
12:14<fxiny>i just upgraded my mighty crypto etch to lenny and guess what ? perfect :)
12:14<balazsbela>good for you :)
12:14<fxiny>this etch2lenny transition is so sweet
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12:14<fxiny>balazsbela: follow the procedure , read the topic
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12:15<fxiny>i am no lucky person , i just use aptitude the way is supposed to
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12:15<themill>balazsbela: yeah.. iceweasel no longer being supported for etch is the final kick I need to do something about my desktop...
12:15<balazsbela>I use it's supposed to too
12:15<balazsbela>but
12:15<balazsbela>it doesn't work
12:15<fxiny>themill: i used firefox 3 since long time , gtk in opt way
12:16<balazsbela>it hangs when reconfiguring hal
12:16<balazsbela>I didn't transition
12:16<balazsbela>I use Sid
12:17<fxiny>and i wanted to check vmwarez 1.0.9 in lenny , pretty ugly way but it works
12:17<themill>fxiny: eww... :(
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12:18<balazsbela>does this have a log or something ?
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12:18<fxiny>themill: you mean firefox or vmwarez ?
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12:19<themill>ff3
12:19<themill>(on etch, with gtk in opt)
12:19<fxiny>themill: yes
12:19<fxiny>compiled in opt
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12:20<fxiny>themill: this one : gtk+-2.10.14.tar.bz2 , i have it in a tarball for a quick unpack
12:20<balazsbela>so, any help ?
12:20<balazsbela>does hal have a log somewhere ?
12:20<balazsbela>it restarts when I do it manually
12:21<themill>"it" "it"..... we're not mind readers
12:21<fxiny>!it
12:21<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:21<fxiny>heheeh
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12:21<fxiny>list scavenrgers :P
12:21<Whopper>fxiny: lol
12:21<fxiny>Whopper: ;)
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12:23<hal2000>I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I cant do that
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12:24<fxiny>so , my cloned LUKS etch has been upgraded to lenny : debian RULEZ !
12:24<themill>!beer djc
12:24*dpkg pours a pint of Jever for djc
12:24<djc>yoyo
12:24<djc>sup
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12:25<djc>Just bought a wok
12:25<djc>Well, it was labeled 'stir fry pan'. Perhaps theres a trademark on the term 'wok'
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12:26<djc>ok, im thinking its similar to a wok, but isnt quite a 'wok'
12:27*zedboy needs a wok on his wifi
12:28<djc>wireless chinese food?
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12:29<pnxor>Hi!
12:29<zedboy>djc: just like the wok makes better chinese food which makes you code better, the wok makes your wifi work better
12:29*zedboy has weak signal
12:30<zedboy>dpkg: google wokfi
12:30<fxiny>hehe
12:30<zedboy>!dpkg google wokfi
12:30<zedboy>feh.
12:30<zedboy>!google wokfi
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12:30<Deuterium>[Google] #1 WokFi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WokFi )
12:30<Deuterium>[Google] Desc: 1 Feb 2009 ... WokFi (a portmanteau derived from blending Wok + Wi-Fi) is a term now commonly used to indicate a style of Wi-Fi antenna made out of simple ...
12:30<zedboy>there we go
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12:31<weasel>erm.
12:31<weasel>what is this?
12:31<gravity>wtf?
12:31<fxiny>so oracle bought sun , wtf4x : i'm withdrawing my 10P offer :P
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12:37<balazsbela>Please tell me that KDE4 is not the default on sid
12:37<balazsbela>I just did a dist-upgrade and kde broke
12:37<balazsbela>now it will launch only gnome
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12:38<balazsbela>anyone ? :(
12:39<ghantoos>balazsbela: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kde it doesn't look good :/
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12:40<fxiny>balazsbela: check debian-kde@lists.debian.org , i know is pretty active
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12:40<fxiny>i have no time for it
12:40<balazsbela>ok
12:40-!-CK-Spezial [~christoph@p54AB4AC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
12:41<CK-Spezial>hi
12:41<CK-Spezial>ist das hier deutsch oder english ?
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12:41<zedboy>CK-Spezial: nor english
12:42<balazsbela>now it's installing plasma, so this is definitely not good :(
12:42<ghantoos>CK-Spezial: http://channel.debian.de/ ?
12:42<balazsbela>why oh why did it ever get out of experimental
12:42<weasel>balazsbela: why are you using sid anyway?
12:43<weasel>sid is there to prepare us for the next release, squeeze in a year or two.
12:43<CK-Spezial>i don't see the URL
12:43<weasel>if you don't want to help test and finish new stuff then you shouldn't run sid or testing
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12:43<CK-Spezial>sorry
12:43<balazsbela>weasel, till now, why not ?
12:43<weasel>because you complain when stuff breaks
12:43<themill>weasel: "but experimental is the new sid"
12:44<weasel>instead of trying to find out what's wrong and filing useful bug reports
12:44<balazsbela>sid was ok
12:44<balazsbela>didn
12:44<balazsbela>'t have problems :)
12:44<djc>was?
12:44<weasel>and now you do. so clearly sid is not for you.
12:44<balazsbela>ok, now could someone help me downgrade to kde 3 ?
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12:44*weasel thinks sid should go back to breaking real hard at least once a year
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12:44<weasel>like it did in the good old times
12:44<fxiny>themill: a new sid ? so it should be called "scud"
12:44*themill sings the "IYHTAYS" song. again.
12:44<djc>only once a year?
12:44<weasel>downgrades aren't supported
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12:44<balazsbela>cool, then how do I start kde4 ?
12:45<weasel>find out what is wrong
12:45<CK-Spezial>i have the following question ...did anybody know a good musicplayer ?
12:45*zedboy remembers checking the topic in #debian and asking apt for any potential evil before upgrading
12:45<balazsbela>anyway. kdm's doesn't working
12:45<djc>save your home and /etc and reinstall lenny
12:45<CK-Spezial>like winamp
12:45<Desert_Storm>How do I add MadWifi to start up automatically at startup?
12:45<djc>CK-Spezial, theres tons of em.. browser synaptic
12:45<djc>er browse
12:45<Desert_Storm>Everytime I restart, have to do "athload madwifi"
12:45<fxiny>CK-Spezial: xmms2 here , cli
12:45*djc runs mpd
12:45<themill>if you've been messing with KDE4 from sid, then there will be KDE4 fun in ~/.kde now.
12:45<weasel>CK-Spezial: amarok?
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12:46<ghantoos>balazsbela: you can try removing kde, updating your source.list et re-installing
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12:46<Desert_Storm>How do I add MadWifi to start up automatically at startup?
12:46<Desert_Storm>Everytime I restart, have to do "athload madwifi"
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12:46<fxiny>why ? i see many ppl are running kde4
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12:46<fxiny>i'm still subscribed to kde list
12:47<CK-Spezial>thanks for the answers...:)
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12:48<Desert_Storm>How did I extract a tar file?
12:48<Desert_Storm>tar xvfg or something
12:48<djc>something
12:48<djc>"man tar" will tell you
12:49<Desert_Storm>jxvf, woops
12:49<djc>in fact, it gives examples right on the first screen
12:49<Desert_Storm>ah
12:49<Desert_Storm>thanks :P
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12:49<djc>then, if you want to know what the individual args actually mean, browser further
12:49<djc>browse
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12:50<djc>I'll give you the first one : "x" is 'extract'
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12:50<djc>its not secret black magic - its all documented
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12:50<gunavara>hello i need some help again :(
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12:51<djc>!tell gunavara about asking
12:51<aly>hi guys how can i install kde 4.2 on my lenny ?
12:51<gunavara>Apr 20 19:36:43 webserver postfix/smtp[3179]: 670E11A821B9: conversation with alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[72.14.247.114] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting i cannot seem to send any mail but i can recieve from everyone
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12:52<djc>its possible your ISP blocks outbound port 25 connections
12:52<djc>to anything other than their smtp server (aka 'smarthost')
12:53<djc>I beleive 'use ISP smarthost' is one of the automagic config modes for debian.. of course that would only apply with the default MTA exim
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12:53<djc>you'd have to figure out how to configure postfix to do that yourself
12:54<gunavara>what do u suggest me to do
12:54<djc>are you running a mailserver or just using the machine as a workstation?
12:54<gunavara>a mail server
12:54<darrob>hi. i have 3 external usb drives set up in a software raid. they don't seem to support SMART features, so how will i notice a failing drive? how soon is a failing drive reflected in /proc/mdstat?
12:54<gunavara>on debian
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12:55<weasel>darrob: when it fails.
12:55<djc>do you have internet connectivity appropriate for that?
12:55<djc>note that home cable/dsl is generally not
12:55<gunavara>yes i do i have optics directly in the office with media convertor and the box something
12:56<gunavara>my only problem is i cannot send mail anywhere apart from local addresses
12:56<djc>Well, some options include 1 Check with your ISP to see if they block port 25.. If they do, they don't intend for you to be running a mailserver
12:56<djc>2. Learn how to conifigure postfix to use their smarthost
12:56<djc>3. hire a qualified MTA admin
12:56<themill>djc: try using port 587 rather than 25
12:56<themill>err... gunavara^^
12:57<djc>that only works if you are submitting mail to a host you have an account on
12:57<darrob>weasel: so do you think that monitoring mdstat for failure is my best option?
12:57<djc>you cant deliver mail to random destination servrers with that
12:57<gunavara>i see
12:57<weasel>darrob: it's better than nothing
12:57<weasel>darrob: raid5?
12:57<djc>and if you are going to use a smarthost, you might as well use your ISPs
12:57<darrob>yes
12:57<gunavara>is there a way to see if my isp blocks that 25 port without calling them ?
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12:57<themill>djc: I was presuming he was trying to use gmail's smtp, but yeah, you're right.
12:58<djc>gunavara, you mean is there a way to find out if you arent allowed to be running a mailserver without alerting them that you are trying to?
12:58<darrob>weasel: thank you. i'll set that up then.
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12:58<djc>Check their TOS?
12:58<gunavara>well i did tell them i will but it's kinda holiday now and don't think they're working :)
12:58<djc>Ah
12:59<djc>you could try to telnet direction to various mx on port 25
12:59<djc>directly*
12:59<gunavara>can u help me do that if u have the time and nerves djc
12:59<fxiny>send a mutt test via gmail . i can see it in my sent box but hasn't been delivered yet
13:00<pgoerzen>Hi, we have one service that requires Kerberos for authentication, while several others are non-Kerberized and bind to LDAP for authentication. Does anyone have experience/suggestions for keeping Kerberos and LDAP passwords synchronized?
13:00<Whopper>aly: you have to add unstable repo
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13:00<Whopper>aly: to do that do http://rafb.net/p/cYAGWK12.html
13:00<djc>if you need help doing that, you probably have a lot more learning to do before trying to runa mailserver
13:00<themill>gunavara: even if they allow you to do it, you're probably better off using their smart host. You'll have less problems with people's spam filters that way.
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13:00<gunavara>i see
13:00<gunavara>thanks guys
13:01<zedboy>gunavara: yeah, a lot of mailservers reject messages from IP blocks marked as ISP customer space.
13:01<Whopper>aly: and the do apt-get update && apt-get install -t testing kde4
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13:02<fxiny>still undelivered , must be some google problem
13:02<aly>Whopper, im going to install 4.1 thx
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13:03<ranix>gunavara: if you're on a residential IP block, you probably want to fetch and send email with a smarthost
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13:03<Whopper>aly: ups, i made a mistake in the preferences-file, testing has to be stable
13:03<ranix>especially so since the sheer zerging you get with a mailserver will significantly affect your bandwidth usage at home
13:03<fxiny>sun +36% ...
13:04<ranix>soon as a spammer sees an MX record, you have fuckin enemies at the gates
13:05<ranix>and you need a valid MX record and reverse DNS to be allowed through most gateways
13:05<fxiny>got the gmail now
13:05<aly>http://kde4.debian.net/ im using this article
13:06<fxiny>gunavara: send2-hook '~f xxx@gmail.com' 'set sendmail="/usr/bin/msmtp -a gmail"
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13:06<djc>fxiny, you're assuming he has a gmail account
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13:06<djc>and/or that he wants to send his mail 'from' his gmail account
13:07<ranix>and that he would want to use gmail as a smarthost
13:07<fxiny>djc: does gmail accept mail without an account ?
13:07<djc>well, if you are sending mail *to* a gmail user, sure
13:07<ranix>using public mail servers is a questionable practice anyway
13:07<fxiny>ahh , so he's on some blacklist
13:07<ranix>and gmail actively scrapes your mail for advertising information
13:08<djc>I suspect his ISP is blocking outbound 25,
13:08<djc>I suggested he try to telnet to a few mx port 25 directly to test, and he apparently needed help to do that
13:08<gunavara>djc,
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13:08<gunavara>i called my ISP
13:08<fxiny>swaks it
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13:08<gunavara>anywayz
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13:09<gunavara>they said
13:09<ranix>today is really an email day
13:09<fxiny>gunavara: apt-cache show swaks
13:09<gunavara>that 25 port is the only port that they are blocking
13:09<djc>well there you go then.. you arent allowed to run a mail server
13:09<fxiny>taken , of course , from debian-administration.org pandora-box ;)
13:09<gunavara>and told me to use an other address to send mail
13:09<djc>internet email is sent to destination servers using port 25
13:10<djc>port 25 is the only port the vast majority of servers will accepting 'incoming' mail on
13:10<gunavara>can u guide where to read how to change that address i mean my server to use their address to send the mail
13:10<djc>remove postfix. reinstall exim. use debians stock/default configuration
13:10<ranix>I didn't fully understand email until I read spec.txt
13:11<ranix>I would suggest you read spec.txt, gunavara, but it is a bit difficult to parse unless you are experienced at reading documentation
13:11<djc>somewhere in there it will ask what 'role' you want it to use.. you want to use the one that uses a smarthost
13:11<djc>ranix, hes got postfix on, not exim
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13:11<ranix>if he follows your info, he will have exim again
13:11<ranix>and it is info I agree with
13:11<fxiny>i have postfix
13:11<djc>"if"
13:11<djc>:P
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13:11<gunavara>ok ok obviously im not that experienced
13:11<ranix>fxiny: you are a dinosaur
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13:11<Whopper>aly: ah, ok - have fun
13:12<djc>gunavara, you are trying to run a server that receives mail for a domain?
13:12<ranix>I do not care about the email of brachiosaurs and pterodactyls
13:12<gunavara>isn't there a way to tell my server configuration to use their address to send
13:12<fxiny>ranix: i did my homework to install it so i keep it ;)
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13:12<ranix>:P
13:12<aly>Whopper, thx for help :)
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13:15<fxiny>ranix: they should delete the bible sized exim Q&A : it gives the impression exim is crap . when you read docs about postfix everything seems logic
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13:16<djc>If one knows what one i doing, one can make exim do pretty much damn near anything you want.. well.. related to email anyway..
13:17<djc>Ive been an exim user for over 10 years
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13:17<djc>starting back from v 2.x
13:17<fxiny>from a user point of view exim just works . postfix is much harder
13:18<djc>Not so much an exim vs postfix issue tho, its becuase debian has a built in means to put in various exim configs
13:18<djc>which I personally wouldnt use.. Since I control my own exim config
13:18<fxiny>and a lazy user loves that crap Q&A cause he don't want to learn
13:18<djc>although my exim server runs freebsd nor debian
13:18<fxiny>i dislike that kind of huge bible
13:18<djc>er
13:19<djc>*not
13:19<djc>well the thing with exim config, is its basically a languate unto itself.. theres lots of cookbooks and whatnot that people share.. but really, the right thing is to understand what you are putting in does
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13:20<fxiny>cookbooks are not good , you read a decent postfix book and you are delighted by the way postfix is designed
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13:21<djc>spec.txt is the equivalent..
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13:21<djc>one technically doesnt need to use the FAQ Q&A
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13:21<fxiny>is too large
13:21<fxiny>it gives bad feelings
13:22<djc>well the point is that exim can be 'programmed' to do damn near anything
13:23<fxiny>i'm not saying exim is bad , i'm looking at the documentation from a user point of view
13:23<fxiny>comparing it to the postfix one
13:23<djc>MTA's are 'user' programs
13:23<djc>er
13:23<djc>arent
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13:24<djc>Cisco router configuration docs is complicated too
13:24<djc>er, are
13:24<djc>in fact damn complicated
13:25<djc>I'm sure the manuals for 747's are pretty complex
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13:25<djc>users arent going to be looking at either.
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13:26<djc>they are going to assume their ISP (and/or airline) has employed professionals that have read them and are qualified to understand them
13:27<djc>anyway, i'm off
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13:28<fxiny>is like sendmail . watching debconf i remember Manoj saying "i use sendmail cause i learned how to set it up" , he said something like that . of course no one wants to learn sendmail but maybe postfix cause it seems more clear , sweet and logic
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13:29<fxiny>is all about docs
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13:30<kunal>hello. anyone here free to help?
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13:30<kunal>i need help with setting up my vga card.
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13:32<kunal>anyone here free?
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13:43<ffws>!ask
13:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
13:43<ffws>kunal: ^
13:43<weasel>.oO( Please state your question. Our next free service technician will then try to resolve your issue at the next opportunity, and when and if they care)
13:44<kunal>weasel- thanks
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13:44<kunal>i need to know where/how can configure my vga card?
13:44<kunal>i dont have my vga card installed. i would like to know where i could learn on how to install vga card.
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13:45<kunal>i am using a trident microsystem cyberblade xpail vga card. would appreciate any help.
13:45<kunal>thank you.
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13:46<netzwurm>hey.
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13:46<FullMan>Hi all
13:46<kunal>hi
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13:47<netzwurm>do you know of any way to improve youtube hd performance on debian (intel 945gm)
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13:51<spawn>oi
13:51<spawn>alguem sabe se existe alguma empresa que fornece appliance com a logo da minha empresa ?
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13:51<weasel>kunal: "configure vga card" is not a well formed request/task/much of anything
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13:52<kunal>weasel: i want to install my vga card.
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13:52<weasel>"yes, and then?"
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13:52<spawn>hi
13:52<weasel>or "so do it"
13:52<kunal>weasel: i want to be able to have 2 monitors running
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13:52<kunal>weasel: how to?
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13:53*Vorbote says Yawn.
13:53<weasel>open case, get screwdriver, install card, close case
13:53<kunal>weasel: software
13:53<weasel>kunal: you are expected to do some research into these things, for instance with google.
13:53<kunal>the hardware is installed
13:53<adama>!xinerama
13:53<dpkg>rumour has it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for howto.
13:53<dr|zed>kunal: aptitude install grandr
13:53<weasel>kunal: then come back here if you have specific questions
13:53<kunal>oh thanks weasel
13:53<weasel>kunal: this isn't usually a handholding channel
13:53<weasel>kunal: (and you just received two hints)
13:54<kunal>great. thanks
13:54<Vorbote>kunal: install card, boot machine. Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" at root console. Reboot, Cross fingers.
13:54<weasel>the other answer is "it's complex and it depends on what and how you want to do it"
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13:54<spawn>i need know if nobody it knows interprise monut appliance to my software
13:54<kunal>weasel: please excuse my noobiness- sorry if i interrupted your extremely busy life. please accept my apology
13:54<kunal>thanks.
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13:55<weasel>kunal: no need to apologize. I'm just trying to help you understand why you didn't get any real answers to your questions so far
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13:55<kunal>Verbote, dr|zed thank you very much.
13:55<adama>spawn: awesome!
13:55<weasel>you had asked this before, IIRC
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13:58<spawn>adama : it you know any ?
13:59<adama>spawn: I just thought your "question" was hilariously incomprehensible
13:59<spawn>rs
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14:00<spawn>please
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14:01<spawn>thanks,
14:01*gravity furrows his brow at grandr
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14:41<aspin>does plesk control panel install ok on lenny? cant see any thing on the plesk site?
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14:41<tuxcrafter>hello everybody i got an Aborted error when using find i dont see what is going wrong i did a strace can somebody look at it?
14:42<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/d7b93e624
14:43<locsmif>tuxcrafter, well, it seems to get sent a SIGABRT signal..
14:43<locsmif>do you have some kind of ulimit set?
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14:44<tuxcrafter> locsmif a what ?
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14:46<locsmif>tuxcrafter, just a wild guess. Maybe paste the output of: ulimit -a to the pastebin
14:46<locsmif>we'll compare
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14:47<tuxcrafter>locsmif: http://debian.pastebin.com/d4ab75791
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14:48<locsmif>tuxcrafter, hmm, no nothing special there
14:48<locsmif>tuxcrafter, it seems to be an ntfs filesystem, do you get this problem on any other filesystem
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14:51<ga_bash>how do i install an ati driver?
14:51<cesurasean>anyone else having problems with postgres 8.3?
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14:51<cesurasean>I can't get psql to work from command line
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14:52<ml>!ati
14:52<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>.
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14:53<tuxcrafter> locsmif it seems to be releated to ntfs mount
14:53<tuxcrafter>but i have done this before on other ntfs moutns
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14:53<tuxcrafter>i am trying to migrate some data to ext3
14:54<locsmif>tuxcrafter, the last call is this one:
14:54<locsmif>http://linux.die.net/man/2/rt_sigprocmask
14:55<locsmif>apparently find unmasks SIGABRT, and then immediately receives one..
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14:55<tuxcrafter>locsmif: any tips?
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14:57<locsmif>tuxcrafter, I entirely do not get it, but maybe you should rerun strace with "follow threads" and tell it to log each pid in its own file
14:57<locsmif>find seems to be killing its own threads
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15:02<locsmif>tuxcrafter, google indicates problems with ntfs-3g
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15:03<m2rt>Gah I forgot the name of the program that allows you to virtualize a windows installation in linux. Its not wine.
15:03<m2rt>And no I do not want to use andLinux
15:03<m2rt>Was it some "box" ?
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15:03<locsmif>m2rt, Virtualbox
15:03<locsmif>virtualbox-ose
15:04<m2rt>yeah! Thanks locsmif, you are lifesaver :)
15:04<m2rt>silly me with a bad memory...
15:04<locsmif>m2rt, time will tell:P
15:04<ml>heh
15:04<m2rt>btw I am 19 :P
15:04<locsmif>m2rt, oh...in that case it won't tell for a long time
15:04<locsmif>:)
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15:05<RedKnight>After I install Debian 5.0 I have no Applications Places Desktop toolbar (panel?) So I don't have access to anything. I only have 3 icons on the desktop Computer Home and Trash
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15:05<m2rt>lol
15:06<ml>m2rt: take a look t this if you don't want to use vbose ... http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
15:06<RedKnight>Is there something I need to do to get the panel to show up with Applications / Places / Desktop?
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15:09<m2rt>hmm...
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15:10<danger_>RedKnight are you sure you've just not got your resolution setup wrong and that it is there but you can't see it?
15:11<RedKnight>I thought about that. Tried setting the controls on the monitor to "shrink" it vertically.
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15:11<RedKnight>Will double check again now
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15:12<locsmif>RedKnight, you can make a screenshot with PrtSc
15:12<RedKnight>You made me think, could it be in the SW resolution settings. If so, I don't know how to access without getting to the panel
15:12<locsmif>afaik
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15:13<locsmif>RedKnight, hmm, no, nvm
15:13<locsmif>perhaps alt-f2, run ksnapshot
15:13<RedKnight>When I move the cursor to the side and top of the screen, it never goes totally off. I can see that last pixel
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15:13<locsmif>for Gnome, dunno
15:13<RedKnight>So there is nothing beyond view
15:14<locsmif>tuxcrafter, it's a mystery...
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15:14<danger_>hmmm
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15:17<danger_>Redknight to ALT-F2 and enter gnome-display-properties
15:17<RedKnight>ok
15:17<tuxcrafter>locsmif: it wierd indeed
15:18<RedKnight>Alt-f2 does nothing
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15:18<tuxcrafter>any idea how to read Ink link file of MS
15:18<danger_>WTF it should do
15:18<tuxcrafter>i want to know where they go to
15:18<locsmif>tuxcrafter, did you have any other problems?
15:18<tuxcrafter>locsmif: well its a dd_rescue image of a disk with bad sectors
15:18<tuxcrafter>but the dd_rescue went ok
15:18<locsmif>tuxcrafter, oh.....
15:18<tuxcrafter>but the ntfs is kind of corrupted
15:19<tuxcrafter>but i can browse and the documents
15:19<tuxcrafter>with ls and cd
15:19<locsmif>thanks for letting me know about that tuxcrafter ;-))
15:19<danger_>redknight can you see a task bar at the bottom of your screen?
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15:19<tuxcrafter>locsmif: was it to late :-D
15:19<RedKnight>No, none at the bottom or top. Just the blue desktop background
15:19<tuxcrafter>i have done the same thing before on other ntfs disks
15:19<RedKnight>and the three icons in the upper left
15:19<locsmif>tuxcrafter, you kinda need to mount it with Windows and run chkdsk on it ;-)
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15:20<tuxcrafter>brr....
15:20<RedKnight>Computer mynamehome and trash
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15:20<locsmif>ntfs-3g is crapping out on ya
15:20<tuxcrafter>does not like windows
15:20<danger_>redknight when you right click on the desktop do you get a "create launcher" option?
15:21<locsmif>tuxcrafter, so while you can now read it withouth hw problems, you do have a broken filesystem to contend with..unfortunately ntfs-3g is not built to deal with that, and there are no Linux-based ntfs repair utilities
15:21<locsmif>you could alternatively try to copy everything first
15:21<RedKnight>Get nothing when I click the desktop
15:21<m2rt>Its sad... my dual core notebook is slow with debian... having 2gb RAM...
15:22<m2rt>Will check the services... maybe have some crap running.
15:22<danger_>hmm okay then something is truely fubared, let me have a think
15:22<RedKnight>Right click gets some options. Create folder.. Create launcher. there it is
15:22<danger_>ah
15:22<danger_>okay
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15:22<locsmif>m2rt, that's abnormal.
15:22<danger_>then in the command bit put gnome-display-properties
15:22<RedKnight>So create launcher from right click... Should I click that?
15:22<danger_>run that
15:23<RedKnight>Clicked Create Launcher
15:23<RedKnight>waiting...
15:23<m2rt>locsmif! Maybe my HD is going away? Happened to me once...
15:23<m2rt>stupid hp
15:23<locsmif>m2rt, it could be your video card not properly supported
15:23<RedKnight>patiently waiting....
15:23<RedKnight>Nothing
15:24<danger_>okay do what I said and put gnome-display-properties , that's like making a short cut to the screen resolution editor... then you should be able to change the resolution and eliminate that as a problem......
15:24<locsmif>m2rt, in that case, install smartmontools and run smartctl -H /dev/yourdevice
15:24<danger_>nothing?
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15:24<locsmif>to check if you harddisk is failing on you.
15:25<locsmif>m2rt, in any case, you can check system loads inside htop or so
15:25<RedKnight>nothing
15:25<bertodsera>maybe not the right place (it's happening on an Ubuntu box) but since it's dpkg probably it's easier to find someone who knows what to do here. I was installing nfs and got this: http://pastebin.com/m660104a2 Now dpkg seems to be dead. Is there any way out of this?
15:25<m2rt>NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8400M is my video card...
15:25<RedKnight>No reaction to selecting the "create launcher"
15:25<danger_>okay RedKnight then I'm not sure how to help you sorry m8
15:26<tuxcrafter>locsmif: i hung the broken hw disk on a ide to usb converter to a windows machine and i am doing a check on the disk now
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15:26<RedKnight>Thank you for trying. I appreciate you time
15:26<RedKnight>your time!
15:26<locsmif>tuxcrafter, you should run a check on the image you saved with dd-rescue, not the original hw..
15:26<danger_>np :)
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15:26<tuxcrafter>locsmif: i have no idea how i can do that :)(
15:27<tuxcrafter>i have the dd_rescue image
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15:27<locsmif>tuxcrafter, good point ;-)
15:27<tuxcrafter>but no idea how to use windows with that
15:27<tuxcrafter>locsmif: with ext2, ext3 and reiserfs i know what to do :-D
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15:28<boscaiol1>What to do when apt doesn't work? Amongst a small stack of changes, I am locked by an error removing a package.
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15:29<danger_>more details please boscaio1
15:29<boscaiol1>I get a broken pipe in preremove
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15:29<locsmif>tuxcrafter, http://www.stoev.org/vmware/diskmount.html
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15:29<locsmif>tuxcrafter, free tool, it seems
15:29<boscaiol1>xargs: xargs.c:443: main: Asserzione `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' fallita.
15:29<boscaiol1>/var/lib/dpkg/info/python-wxgtk2.4.prerm: line 6: 23333 Pipe rotta
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15:30<locsmif>tuxcrafter, however, that may not work either
15:30<m2rt>locsmif! can you check my result out? Everything is ok? http://pastebin.com/d93f5b98
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15:31<boscaiol1>sorry the box i in italian
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15:31<its>hello
15:31<boscaiol1>but it says the subprcess pre-removal script returned an error 134
15:31<its>what
15:32<danger_>sorry boscaiol1 I have no idea on that
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15:32<boscaiol1>tx anyway
15:32<locsmif>tuxcrafter, maybe you can reverse it and run chkdsk inside wine ;-))
15:32<danger_>he wasn't talking to you its
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15:32<locsmif>m2rt, your harddrive is overheating
15:33<locsmif>It's at 51 centigrade
15:33<tuxcrafter>locsmif: it seems the chkdsk ran fine under windows
15:33<danger_>An overheating hard drive is pretty rare! lol
15:33<locsmif>danger_, it happened to me once because two hdd's were mounted too close to eachother
15:33<tuxcrafter>locsmif: rebuilding the dd_rescue
15:34<m2rt>locsmif! it is inside laptop on a place that does not have vent. though it is on a hard table and nothing stops air from flowing.
15:35<locsmif>tuxcrafter, there are no guarantuees that way. Whatever chkdsk just told you doesn't necessarily tell you your dd-rescue image will be free from errors. You can try though..
15:35<boscaiol1>Is there any way to make apt/aptitude process things in a different order, so that one error doesn't prevent all other actions?
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15:36<danger_>I dont think so bascaiol1, the only thing you can do (IIRC) is force it to ignore certain issues - but that's all documented in the man page
15:37<tuxcrafter>locsmif: a small find test on the broken hw now did not resulted in aborted erros
15:37<boscaiol1>I tried apt-get -f but it does the same thing
15:37<boscaiol1>I'll have another read, then
15:37<danger_>good luck with it
15:38<boscaiol1>going to need it! Tx
15:38<locsmif>tuxcrafter, cool
15:38<tuxcrafter>locsmif: sick world of ntfs
15:38<locsmif>tuxcrafter, absolutely
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15:38<tuxcrafter>locsmif: well i converted an nother person to debian this way :-)
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15:39<tuxcrafter>nuber 50+
15:39<tuxcrafter>number
15:39<danger_>nothing wrong with NTFS, though ZFS is the future :D
15:39<locsmif>heh
15:39<locsmif>what's wrong with NTFS is the license
15:39<danger_>yep but you can't really judge a technology on it's license
15:39<locsmif>and the fact that Windows users aren't allowed to know how exactly their data is stored..
15:40<locsmif>bbl :)
15:40<danger_>Windows users don't know their ass from their elbow, so NTFS is the least of their problems ;)
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15:41<boscaiol1>danger: can I just exunge the package from the database somehow, and accept the wasted disk space left behind?
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15:41<tuxcrafter>danger_: dont be so hard om them :-)
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15:41<boscaiol1>It's not their fault really
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15:42<boscaiol1>danger_: can I just exunge the package from the database somehow, and accept the wasted disk space left behind?
15:43<DervishD>Hey guys. I just wanted to do a aptitude full-upgrade in sid and saw it wants to install a shitload of kde4 stuff (basically the kde4 desktop). Has anyone else experienced the same thing?
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15:43<tuxcrafter>DervishD: do you have recommended install on
15:44<DervishD>Oh yeah, I'm running Gnome.
15:44<tuxcrafter>that can cause a lot of unwanted packages to be installe
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15:44<lupine_>probably have kdelibs installed
15:45<DervishD>@ lupine_ : Hmmm, that could be it since I do have k3b installed, the only kde app I use.
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15:45<danger_>wow that's surprising Dervish I installed Lenny whilst unstable and it didn't install any of that KDE bloatware
15:46<boscaiol1>DervishD: I've had that in the past with just one kde app installed...
15:46<lupine_>atye, it'll have the kde libs too
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15:46<DervishD>This is some of the stuff aptitude wants to install....
15:46<lupine_>which will pull in most of KDE4
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15:47<DervishD> imagemagick-doc{a} kaboom{a} kde-icons-oxygen{a} kdebase-runtime{a}
15:47<DervishD> kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4{a} kdebase-runtime-data{a}
15:47<DervishD> kdebase-runtime-data-common{a} kdelibs-bin{a} kdelibs5{a}
15:47<danger_>thats just supidity
15:47<boscaiol1>imagemagick isn't kde?
15:47<DervishD>So I guess if I want to continue using k3b I just have to accept it....
15:48<DervishD>@ boscaiol1 : I did a copy'n'paste :-)
15:48<boscaiol1>What I did when the same thing happeded way back (with kde3) was to delete it all and just reinstall the one app afe
15:48<boscaiol1>after
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15:48<danger_>was going to recommend that bosciaol1
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15:49<DervishD>That's what i'm gonna do. Remove k3b and install it again afterwards
15:49<DervishD>and it's dependencies ofcourse
15:50<boscaiol1>yes, of course
15:50<danger_>Well that'll be better than having to grab all of KDE I guess lol
15:50<DervishD>thnx for the help guys :-)
15:50<danger_>good luck with it Dervish
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16:03<marth>hello I have the latest Debian and I have a problem: my numlock doesn't work anymore; I can switch it on and off but it doesn't seem te do anything
16:04<deniz>is gnuplot a text-based software???
16:05<bremner>deniz: yes
16:05<deniz>bremner, how do you graph vectors on a terminal??
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16:06<marth>deniz: the input it text based
16:06<boscaiol1>danger_: Oh dear, I think I'm out of options. Tried dpkg things too, but no luck. I suppose it means find a friend with adsl and reinstall from scratch
16:07<danger_>Sorry to hear that, doesn't sound good.
16:07<boscaiol1>(a sort of windoze solution)
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16:08<boscaiol1>What is the smallest partition I can get a system on?
16:08<tlipcon>hey all. Is there a specific channel I should go to for some questions on unofficial apt repos?
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16:12<deniz>is there a simple vector graphing tool with a GUI for high school vectors?
16:12<dvst>deniz, inkscape?
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16:14<deniz>dvst, it looks like a photoshop-like application; are you sure it is a vector graphing application? (i use kmplot for normal function graphing but I can't find anything to make my learning of vectors more visual)
16:15<dvst>deniz, gimp is a photoshop-like, inkscape is more like corel draw or freehand
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16:16<deniz>dvst, ya but i want something that lets say i give it the horizontal and vertical components and itll find me the resultant vector, that kind of stuff
16:16<danger_>deniz you want to do this is a non-X terminal?
16:17<deniz>danger_, non-X terminal = ?
16:17<deniz>danger_, i need a GUI, because if it's text based its pointless
16:17<danger_>ah okay
16:18<mebus>Does anyone have an idea, why I can't open a LUKS cryptsetup device although I got the right pwd and it works on another linux installation ?
16:18<mebus>is there something wrong with the kernel module s?
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16:20<danger_>deniz from what I understand both inkscape and GIMP are vector based and are hence probably the best bet for you, inkscape is a bit more low level
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16:21<deniz>danger_, i dont want to draw vectors, i want them to be drawn from me given a set of numbers
16:21<deniz>for me*
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16:22<danger_>"given a set of numbers" what do you mean by this?
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16:23<danger_> One choice would be to use GNU R - you could use this in batch mode to pass "numbers" to and it'll generate plots for you
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16:28<boscaiol1>anyone know awk?
16:28<passworder>I have a problem (Debian Lenny). Flash won't work, i've tried to install 'flashplugin-nonfree' from Backports and 'flashplayer-mozilla' from debian-multimedia. None of them works.
16:28<bremner>deniz: maybe look at eukleides (and xeukleides)
16:28<weasel>!anyone
16:28<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
16:29<danger_>passworder see !flash
16:29<danger_>!flash
16:29<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
16:30<boscaiol1>okay -- I get an error from a prerm script, from this line apparently: dpkg --listfiles $PACKAGE | awk '$0~/\.py$/ {print $0"c\n" $0"o"}' | xargs rm -f >&2
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16:30<boscaiol1>And I wondered if there is anything obviosly correctable
16:30<passworder>danger_: done that already
16:31<danger_>when your in iceweasel is there a section for flash when you navigate to about:plugins
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16:31<passworder>danger_: no, it says no plugins installed.
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16:32<boscaiol1>passworder: then go to adobe site and download it following their instructions to install
16:33<paolo>cciao
16:33<paolo>!list
16:33<dpkg>paolo: VATTENE VIA
16:33<passworder>boscaiol1: Every time I try that, the browser kills itself when I visit a flash site. Haven't tried the .deb file though.
16:33<danger_>passworder if you followed the instructions in !flash do you have a directory in /usr/lib called flashplugin-nonfree
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16:34<passworder>danger_: I removed flashplugin-nonfree. I have flashplayer-mozilla installed right now.
16:34<boscaiol1>passworder: oh, then I don't know -- mine works
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16:35<passworder>danger_: there's a flashplayer-mozilla folder with the .so file though.
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16:36<jesperj>I run Lenny and am trying to rotate my screen in X with no luck. I use the i810 X driver. the i810 option "Rotate" "90" just doesnt make anything happen at all, and grandr (the xrandr gtk frontend) has the rotation options disabled. Does not the i810 driver in Debian support screen rotation?
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16:37<passworder>Is it worth trying the Ubuntu 8.04+ deb file from the Adobe site?
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16:39<locsmif>!list
16:39<dpkg>locsmif: VATTENE VIA
16:39<bremner>jesperj: i810 driver is very old. Does intel driver work for you?
16:39<locsmif>Why in Italian, one must wonder.
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16:40<passworder>danger_: ok, I have the folder called 'flashplugin-nonfree'.
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16:43<firefox>passworder: purge all your flash stuff.
16:43<passworder>firefox: ok done
16:44<firefox>passworder: I had the same problem. looking up the one I have installed.
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16:44<firefox>passworder: flashplayer-mozilla , you said you got it from back ports?
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16:45<passworder>firefox: from multimedia
16:45<jesperj>bremner: I have not tried it... I will. What package do I install to get info documents about these drivers?
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16:47<locsmif>firefox, do you happen to know how to get CNN video going, now that you're here?
16:47<firefox>passworder: check to see if you have any libs installed for flash to, and just reinstall flashplayer-mozilla . an alternative is gnash, but it had probelms with video pages like you tube, for me atleast. if that doesnt work you'll need some one with more knowledge
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16:48<firefox>locsmif: not familiar with it, is that like videos from their web pages?
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16:49<passworder>The problem is that Firefox doesn't find any plugins : /
16:49<jesperj>found it bremner
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16:49<jesperj>bremner: will disconnect now and try it
16:49<jesperj>thanks
16:49<jesperj>bbs
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16:50<locsmif>firefox, yep, the flash videos don't work in IceWeasel, it seems..
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16:50<firefox>passworder: I am assuming you restart it right?
16:50<passworder>firefox: yes
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16:51<passworder>However, now I installed flash using the deb file from the site (Ubuntu 8.04+) and Firefox finds the plugin
16:51<firefox>passworder: ohh! I know now..
16:51<firefox>passworder: just a second
16:51<passworder>firefox: it worked with the Ubuntu file
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16:52<firefox>passworder: yeah but I remember now what went wrong, it puts the plugins in the mozilla folder... you just have to symlink them to the firefox folder plugins
16:52<firefox>passworder: and I'd be careful mixing packages.
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16:53<passworder>firefox: ah I see.
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16:57<m2rt>I am trying to install the virtualbox guest additions. I mounted the image, but my XP does not want to read the image,.
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16:58<firefox>locsmif: ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
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16:58<firefox>locsmif+ passworder: I think
16:58<passworder>firefox: Thanks.
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16:59<mjt>boscaiol1: that piece of code, for each file.py, prints file.pyc and file.pyo
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17:00<mjt>boscaiol1: the idea is to remove all compiled modules
17:00<ml>m2rt: ask in irc.freenode.net #vbox also
17:01<boscaiol1>mjt: oh, but if I manually list and delete them it will have the same effect
17:01<mjt>boscaiol1: apparently there's no modules, hence nothing to remove, and rm reports error. That xargs should have --no-run-if-empty added, or the whole command should end on `|| :'
17:01<boscaiol1>-- I had to comment out the line to unblock apt
17:01<m2rt>thanks ml
17:01<ml>np
17:02<mjt>boscaiol1: in order to debug remove the last redirect to actually see the real error mesage
17:02<passworder>firefox: It won't work though. There's a file called flash-mozilla in mozilla/plugins
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17:02<boscaiol1>mjt: I don't understand
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17:04<firefox>passworder: the libflash is the one I have and its working. I would do another purge and then re install flash-player mozilla. you can see the files it instals with a dpkg -L and go from there
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17:04<firefox>flashplayer-mozilla*
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17:04<DervishD>Hey guys, it's me again :-) Well, the full-upgrade went fine exept for one thing. The cpu-frequency applet isn't behaving as I configured it. By default it doesn't allow for manually changing the frequency so I did a chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector to enable manual setting of cpu scaling but it doesn't work. Does anybody have a solution for this?
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17:05<boscaiol1>mjt: I seem to get similar errors on every python-related install that aptitude is doing, but now they are fatal.
17:05<boscaiol1>but the whole thing started when I wanted to install odccm, in place of synce-hal
17:06<boscaiol1>and odccm has also failed to install
17:06<boscaiol1>with a series of: "xargs: xargs.c:443: main: Asserzione `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' fallita."
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17:06<boscaiol1>translated: "Assertion .... failed"
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17:08<boscaiol1>It's also saying "Reloading system message bus config...Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused
17:08<boscaiol1>invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "force-reload" failed."
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17:13<DervishD>does anybody know how I can enable manual cpu scaling with the gnome cpu applet? chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector doesn't work?
17:13<jcole>how can i set up cross compiling to x86_64/amd64 from an x86/i386 machine
17:14<jcole>DervishD: apt-get install emifreq-applet
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17:14<jcole>DervishD: you will see a new applet in add applets
17:15<ml>DervishD: I don't know how to do it with gnome applet, but you can do manually without that
17:15<jcole>DervishD: emifreq starts a local service at boot
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17:15<jcole>DervishD: and the applet talks to it
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17:16<mtc>jcole: I do not think it is possible - the AMD64 has registers that are not available on 32-bit processors
17:16<mtc>not totally sure though - not a package maintainer in any sense
17:17<DervishD>@ jcole : ok, let me try that. Do you happen to know how I can do it manually without the applet?
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17:17<jcole>mtc: emifreq manipulates cpu settings under /proc , has nothing to do with cpu arch
17:17<ml>DervishD: take a look at this ... http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html
17:17<jcole>DervishD: just install that
17:18<jcole>DervishD: trust me
17:18<mjt>jcole: what do yoy mean by "cross-compiling" ?
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17:18<DervishD>@ jcole : I trust you, I'm gonna install it now
17:18<mjt>jcole: gcc -m64 works provided you install libc6-amd64-dev &Co
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17:18<mjt>jcole: er, libc6-dev-amd64 it is
17:19<mjt>jcole: but only very limited set of libraries are available
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17:20<DervishD>@ jcole : cool stuff man, didn't know about that applet. Now I can manually scale again. Thnx dude :-)
17:21<jcole>DervishD: anytime, i dont know why distros dont have that installed by default :)
17:21<mjt>jcole: you can also run 64bit kernel on your 32bit userland (compiled from kernel.org for example) - everything is expected to work still (provided yuur CPU supports 64bit mode) - that way you can run both 32 and 64bit binaries
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17:22<mjt>boscaiol1: that sound like quite hosed system
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17:22<mjt>boscaiol1: is your hdd ok?
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17:22<boscaiol1>mjt: I wonder why. It was ok for a year or so
17:22<boscaiol1>hdd?
17:22<boscaiol1>oh
17:22<mjt>boscaiol1: what dmesg say
17:23<mjt>?
17:23<boscaiol1>I hope so
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17:23<boscaiol1>nothing hdd related
17:23<boscaiol1>all usb and unknown keycodes
17:24<boscaiol1>and ttyACM0
17:25<boscaiol1>oh no, found some ReiserFS things
17:25<mjt>that's probably it
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17:25<mjt>and ..remounting read-only, right?
17:25<boscaiol1>ReiserFS: hda12: There were 6 uncompleted unlinks/truncates. Completed
17:25<boscaiol1>Warning: /proc/ide/hd?/settings interface is obsolete, and will be removed soon!
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17:26<mjt>that thing you have looks like either hard drive or filesystem error(s). Or some filesytem is read-only instead of rw.
17:26<mjt>(which happens after errors too, btw)
17:27<boscaiol1>oh, ok.
17:27<mjt>i'd try to reboot first
17:27<boscaiol1>Tx, mjt
17:27<mjt>especially with reiserfs, -- it was quite unstable beast
17:27<boscaiol1>Oh, btw, I do have another hdd ish thing here: always get raid 1 trying to start although I removed averything raidish ages back
17:28<mjt>do you remember on what partition(s) you had it/
17:28<mjt>?
17:28<mjt>you can install mdadm and tell it to remove raid superblocks from those partitions
17:29<boscaiol1>As far as I know it was never active, just installed as part of an ancient Knoppix
17:29<mjt>mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/hda1
17:29<mjt>well, it IS there somewhere :)
17:29<boscaiol1>bash: mdadm: command not found
17:29<mjt>you can always `grep -r $SOMETHING /etc' if nothing else helps
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17:30<mjt>< mjt> you can install mdadm and tell it to remove raid superblocks from those partitions
17:30<boscaiol1>ok.
17:30<mjt>but i'm assuming you actually had at least one working array
17:30<boscaiol1>I don't think so
17:30<mjt>in that case it's just some startup script
17:30<boscaiol1>Yes, but I failed to find them
17:31<boscaiol1>and they didn't go away when I uninstalled mdadm
17:31<mjt>you know that by default, dpkg/apt/etc does NOT remove anything in /etc?
17:31<boscaiol1>I had forgotten that
17:31<mjt>so if you installed a package and removed it, its config files and startup scripts and similar things are still there
17:32<boscaiol1>I'll do some more grepping
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17:32<mjt>dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii
17:32<dpkg>ii | grep -v ^ii 2.1-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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17:32<mjt>damn
17:32<mjt>dpkg: shut up
17:32<dpkg>No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
17:32<mjt>dpkg: bastard
17:32<dpkg>hmm wheres Prophet ?
17:32<mjt>ok
17:32<boscaiol1>hehe
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17:33<mjt>boscaiol1: the above command will show you a list of packages which are not 'completely installed', so to say
17:33<boscaiol1>I see
17:33<mjt>i guess you'll have many `rc' ones
17:33<boscaiol1>It's a long list
17:34<mjt>it's 'to Remove, Config files'
17:34<boscaiol1>yep. Interestingly it includes things I would have expected to be installed
17:34<boscaiol1>like 915resolution
17:34<boscaiol1>-- but I suppose that is now not needed
17:34<mjt>with what status?
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17:35<boscaiol1>rc
17:35<mjt>so you asked to remove it
17:35<mjt>i guess
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17:35<mjt>but you'd better fix your original problem
17:35<boscaiol1>yes, I think it got superseded
17:35<boscaiol1>They are nearly all rc
17:36<boscaiol1>some hi
17:36<mjt>h = hold
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17:36<mjt>you said 'don't install any other version of this package'
17:36<boscaiol1>and one iF
17:37<boscaiol1>which must mean " is F***ed"
17:37<mjt>;)
17:37<boscaiol1>-- it's the one I was trying to install
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17:40<logmeinremoteuser>gi
17:40<logmeinremoteuser>hi
17:40<logmeinremoteuser>ur vool
17:40<logmeinremoteuser>talk
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17:41<boscaiol1>mjt: thanks -- youv'e given me some useful help: now I have some homework to do
17:41<dkr>sorry, you have failed the Turing test today. try again in another 2**47 cpu cycles
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17:42<boscaiol1>mjt: including transfering off Reiserfs
17:42<mjt>oh ma... ;)
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17:42<mjt>run an fsck on it
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17:43<boscaiol1>I'll do that
17:43<misha_>рш
17:43<misha_>hi
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17:43<mjt>privet misha... aka привет :)
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17:44<mjt>!ru
17:44<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
17:44<locsmif>firefox, the cause was flashblock, it doesn't mix too well with CNN
17:44<dkr>i'd transliterate it as preevyet. :)
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17:46<mjt>dkr: it's translit, it isn't supposed to *sound* as original, but to *look* as one.
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17:47<dkr>npivet ? :p
17:47<mjt>dkr: trying to sound right is almost impossible because many "russian sounds" are missing in english
17:47<mjt>no, that's something else. Again impossible because many ciryllic chars are issing in latin alphabet
17:47<dkr>yeah. hrm, I should take a russian class. planning to take a trip to st peterburg
17:48<mjt>s/issing/missing/
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17:49<mjt>npibet it is in that case ;)
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18:06<stuckey>Hello
18:06<stuckey>how do I keep my screen from blaking when I'm watching a movie?
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18:07<mig>join ranix
18:07<mig>hola
18:07<mig>quien ta ahi
18:07<adama>!blanking
18:07<dpkg>screen blanking is probably you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If 'console-tools' is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made via /etc/console-tools/config.
18:07<mig>hay alguien
18:07<adama>En
18:07<adama>!en
18:07<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
18:07<mig>no se ingles
18:07<mig>ahi nada de castellano
18:07<ml>!es
18:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:07<mig>de español
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18:08<mig>yes
18:08<mig>and????
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18:08<mig>hello friend
18:08<ml>stuckey: you also do it in xorg.conf
18:09<mig>i am not speack english fine
18:09<@Ganneff>mig: join #debian-es
18:09<mig>yes
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18:09<mrw>is it it possible to reverse Xorg's color map, so that black becomes white, etc?
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18:09<mig>wath is it? debian?
18:10<mig>where are you from?
18:10<mig>what is your cantry?
18:11<@Ganneff>mig: do you have any debian support question? if not y<ou are wrong here
18:11<mig>i am perdido
18:11<mig>ok squiusmi
18:11<mig>bay thenquiu
18:11<tlipcon>mig: si no tienes alguna pregunta sobre debian, tiene que salir :P
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18:12<mig>ahora si, gracias
18:12<mig>tlipcon gracias
18:12<mig>adios
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18:12<ml>stuckey: add this to your xorg.conf ... http://pastebin.com/m2ff09df1
18:12<tlipcon>that worked suprisingly well
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18:29<randu>hi
18:30<randu>Im new at linux just need a little help at installing a new software I just downloaded
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18:30<ml>!ask
18:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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18:30<stuckey>adama: did all of that... screen is still blanking!!!
18:31<ml>stuckey: try my method
18:31<randu>I have a problem with installing blender 2.48a
18:31<randu>O_o
18:31<amphi>!!!
18:31<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
18:31<amphi>!!!!
18:31<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
18:32<ml>heh
18:32<randu>ok um
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18:33<mrw>randu: describe the problem?
18:33<ml>!splap amphi
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18:34<randu>I downloaded a software and i need to install it i know its pretty simple but im new at this
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18:35<ml>!slap amphi
18:35*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across amphi's face
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18:36<mrw>randu: i take it you downloaded blender from a website and did not try to install using apt-get or aptitude
18:36<jozefk>anyone here willing to help me set up the sound on lenny?
18:36<ml>!ask
18:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:36<randu>mrw, yeap
18:37<adama>randu: always use aptitude or apt-get first!
18:37<themill>judd versions blender
18:37<judd>themill: blender -- etch-security: 2.42a-7.1+etch1 etch: 2.42a-8 etch-backports: 2.45-1~bpo40-1 lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6 sid: 2.48a+dfsg-2 squeeze: 2.48a+dfsg-2
18:37<mrw>randu: adama is right, unless you have a specific reason for not using the debian version
18:37<jozefk>:) ok. i have a problem with sound. don't have a sound and don't know how to set it up in debian. that is lenny 5.0.1
18:38<mrw>randu: e.g., it lacks a feature that the upstream (non debian version) has and that you need
18:38<randu>ok how do I go to apt-get ot aptitude..
18:38<mrw>randu: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude install blender
18:38<randu>or*
18:38<adama>!sudosmite mrw
18:38*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to mrw and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
18:38<ml>!tell jozefk -about alsa
18:38<mrw>heh
18:38<ml>!tell jozefk -about sound
18:39<jozefk>have to use alsa ?
18:39<mrw>randu: su -c 'aptitude update; aptitude install blender'
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18:40<ml>dpkg: funny
18:40<dpkg>i guess funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg
18:40<ubuntu>swerver irc.omgirc.com
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18:52<deniz_>when i choose to "quarantine" somethign with clamav...DOES IT REMOVE IT?
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18:56<__iron>could anybody explain what packagename{u] means ?
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18:57<ml>update
18:57<__iron>ml: thx
18:57<ml>or upgrade
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18:57<ml>np
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19:08<Thetan>I am missing selection lines on my new laptop, on Debian. If I select with mouse some files within rox-filer or inkscape, I don't see the moving, resizing selection lines. Terrible for serious work. Anyone knows solution or where to look?
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19:10<bcw>does swfdec-mozilla 0.6.0-5 (lenny) actually work for anyone on, say, google news, youtube or hulu? (on google news, i hear audio but no sound and epiphany hangs. on youtube and hulu, it tells me i have "an old version of Flash Player" and need to upgrade.)
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19:10<bcw>er, audio but no video
19:11<deniz_>i scanned for viruses with clamtk and quarantined some stuff but it's as if it removed them but I still see the stuff when I re-do another scan, so where are my files exactly? (some of those files are .vdi files for virtual-ose emulation!)
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19:14<sammyc>anyone know how to override the DPI settings in the new xorg in sid?
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19:16<bcw>(youtube and hulu may just be doing the proprietary lock-in dance, but google news should work, i think...)
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19:17<mrw>sammyc: quickest way i know of is to add -dpi to the command line arguments in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc file
19:18<sammyc>mrw: thats what I have, but it seems to be ignored with the xorg upgrade in sid
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19:19<sammyc>mrw: also, the gnome DPI settings don't seem to work anymore either
19:19<mrw>sammyc: hm, well shoot
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19:19<sammyc>mrw: maybe I should just except that big fonts are better for my eyes :)
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19:20<gravity>sammyc: xrandr should be able to do it
19:20<gravity>sammyc: Although if the -dpi command isn't working any more, please file a bug report using reportbug (not reportbug-ng) against xserver-xorg-core
19:20<gravity>I don't believe that was supposed to have regressed
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19:22<sammyc>gravity: seems that the contents of xserverrc are no longer honoured.. at least ps doesn't show X being run with the args from that file
19:22<bremner>Choose larger fonts?
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19:22<sammyc>gravity: thanks, i'll try randr
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19:23<gravity>sammyc: Are you using gdm?
19:23<sammyc>gravity: yup
19:23<gravity>I'd bet that's the reason
19:23<Rabbit>haha
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19:25<Rabbit>hey sorry for dropping in on the conversation has anyone tried using likewise
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19:27<luca635>Hi, when I select suspend-to-disk in kickoff menu, and then I restart the computer, I get the kdm login screen, instead of the session I had closed
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19:28<Rabbit>which ver. of debian you running luca635
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19:29<luca635>Rabbit: it's sid
19:30<Rabbit>okay...
19:30<Rabbit>let see...
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19:31<Rabbit>Luca635: im gonna ask a stupid question its on your local pc right?
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19:31<luca635>Rabbit: yes
19:32<gravity>hrm... yeah, startx will call /etc/x11/xinit/ stuff, but not gdm
19:32<luca635>Rabbit: it seems it is uswsusp that's used
19:33<gravity>Nor will xdm though
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19:35<Rabbit>Luca635: not really good in this area... but you have enough free space and swap is functioning fine?
19:36<luca635>Rabbit: yes suspend to disk is working fine
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19:36<luca635>it's only when it restart it has lost my session, and restart at kdm screen, instead of the session I had stoped at
19:37<luca635>Rabbit: would you know where are the actions associated with kickoff menu?
19:38<bcw>dumb question: what's a kickoff menu?
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19:40<bcw>a KDE menu thing?
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19:42<bcw>nm, google is my friend
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19:44<Rabbit>bcw: google is my friend 2
19:45<bcw>hehe.. i didn't say exclusive friend :)
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19:46<Rabbit>Luca: cant seem to find anything... just hang on
19:46<Rabbit>bcw: neither did I...
19:48<bcw>what versions of debian has this kickoff menu? (google is telling me it's an openSUSE thing... unfortunately, it's not always the most reliable of friends)
19:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 410] by debhelper
19:49<Rabbit>no im guessing she installed it additionally but what i did pick up though it seems to be a kde thing
19:49<Rabbit>but only had a quick look... so i could be wrong
19:50<bcw>yes, i see it's a kde thing.. but on kde.org it says it's been implemented in openSUSE, not debian. however there are also a few ununtu and sidux links
19:50<mtc>bcw: in what context? where did you see this mentioned?
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19:50<bcw>mtc, luca635 was asking about it above
19:51<mtc>ah
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19:51<bcw>ubuntu*
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19:53<Rabbit>bcw: she wants to know where the actions associated with the kickoff menu is?
19:53<Rabbit>any of you ninja's got ideas???:-d
19:54<bcw>Rabbit, um... you were talking to her... don't you know what she was asking?
19:55<bcw>Rabbit, ideas about what? likewise?
19:55<Rabbit>I do but the problem that she's experiencing could be a range of things but most likely the Kickoff
19:56<Rabbit>no got that working problem is cant access shares cause for some reason its promting for guest credentials to my domain?
19:56<Rabbit>I did assign full rights for my domain account for that folder
19:56<bcw>(all i know about likewise is, again, what google tells me.)
19:57<bcw>is it DFSG-free software?
19:57<Rabbit>Basically it will join your debian pc to the domain if correctly configured
19:58<bcw>the website says it's open source, but wants you to register to download it... which would contradict DFSG
19:58<dondelelcaro>bcw: depends on what the license is
19:58<Rabbit>gotta to love that google... www.likewise.com
19:58<bcw>dondelelcaro, right, but i can't find a license link anywhere on their website, and don't want to download just to find out
19:58<Rabbit>i used likewise-open
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19:59<Rabbit>try that link
19:59<Rabbit>pause 5 min quickly gonna have a smoke break
19:59<Rabbit>e
19:59<bcw>Rabbit, i saw that, and i followed it... but it wants me to register to download
20:00<Rabbit>I yes sorry dude forgot... my bad... downloaded it already
20:00<bcw>ah, google assisted again... http://www.likewise.com/open_community/licenses.php
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20:01<Rabbit>be back now...
20:01<bcw>looks like they're using GNU (L)GPL, so i think it's DFSG-free
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20:03*Rabbit[A] is now away - Reason : smoking is digusting... disgusting feels good....
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20:04<linux02>i need some help getting grub back on the machine that had xp reinstalled on it... i think mbr got replaced with windows rather then grub
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20:05<linux02>?
20:05<dondelelcaro>linux02: just rerun grub-install
20:06<linux02>yes but im unable to log into my debian system...
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20:09<gravity>!tell Rabbit about away
20:09<Rabbit>mcw: where were we
20:10<Rabbit>did i miss something?
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20:13<mcmall>hello
20:13<Rabbit>bcw: you there?
20:13<bcw>yes
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20:14<bcw>i don't know if you missed anything.. depends on whether you see what happened while you were gone (and the dpkg private message that was sent to you)
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20:15<franki064>good morning
20:15<Rabbit>dpkg?
20:15<Rabbit>new to the irc deal
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20:16<Rabbit>usually just me and the google
20:17<bcw>dpkg is the bot that we use in here to tell people about frequent problems they have. gravity told dpkg to tell you about away messages
20:17<dpkg>You are moron #1, bcw
20:17<bcw>heh
20:17<mtc>haw-haw! ;)
20:18<Rabbit>at least im special...:-d
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20:19<mcmall>can some one help me
20:19<mcmall>i got a vserver with debian
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20:20<mcmall>can some one tell me how i can install a ftp server on it?
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20:22<Rabbit>bcw: where i am its 1:21 am, Im gonna go to sleep so i can wake up tomorrow at 6:00 am to fix uncle billy gates problems the whole day
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20:22<bcw>Rabbit, ok, good night
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20:22<Rabbit>cheers guys...
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20:55<varanis>anyone out there able to give me a hand with a problem installing dvdrip? everytime i try to install it fails to install giving the err Hash Sum Mismatch on the failed packages
20:56<dondelelcaro>varanis: rerun aptitude update; and then try again. If it still fails, provide the full output, along with the apt-cache policy; and apt-cache policy dvdrip; output.
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20:57<varanis>I have tried that and id not work, let me get the full output
20:57<linux02>i need some help getting grub back on the machine that had xp reinstalled on it... i think mbr got replaced with windows rather then grub
20:58<gsimmons>!tell linux02 -about fixmbr
20:58<dondelelcaro>linux02: run grub-install /dev/foobootdevice
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20:59<kthyon>help me
20:59<kthyon>error
20:59<linux02>i just tried following link http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/06/howto-re-install-grub-after-windows.html
21:00<kthyon>sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by gid 1001, should be 0
21:00<linux02>but i was unable to find out what my hdd is... ie hd0... hd1.... so on...
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21:01<kthyon>speak in english or speakin spanish
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21:01<kthyon>please speack in spanish
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21:02<bruce89>!ubuntu | linux02
21:02<dpkg>| linux02: please take your ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian and #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced ubuntu users.
21:02<linux02>it is not ubuntu question it is just a boot loader question.. thats just the link i used for reference and was unsuccessfull
21:03<bruce89>linux02: sorry, how does it not work?
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21:03<linux02>i am unable to find what hdd my debian is installed on
21:04<linux02>for example it says root (hd0,0)
21:04<linux02>mine is something other then hd0...
21:04<abrotman>linux02: which OS is this for?
21:05<abrotman>kthyon: #debian-es
21:05<linux02>i had xp on 1 drive... debian on 2nd drive...
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21:05<linux02>i had to reinstall xp and boot loader got erased
21:05<linux02>i need to reinstall grub so i can boot into debian
21:05<abrotman>use a liveCD .. reinstall grub
21:06<linux02>i treid this and was unsuccessfull tricElf has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds)
21:06<linux02><kthyon> speak in english or speakin spanish
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21:06<linux02><kthyon> please speack in spanish
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21:07<varanis>anyone else know anything about Hash Sum Mismatch errors when installing packages
21:07<kthyon>speack in spanish
21:07<abrotman>varanis: aptitude clean && aptitude update .. try to install the package again
21:07<abrotman>!es
21:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:07<varanis>Thanks will try that
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21:11<chicoDF>como hago que root sea el unico para acceder a privoxy
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21:21<Mr-XxM>Hello guys, i need help: Im using Squeeze amd64, and some days ago i have problems upgrading acpid,. can anyone help?
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21:21<Mr-XxM>Please, can anyone help?
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21:23<Mr-XxM>Hello guys, i need help: Im using Squeeze amd64, and some days ago i have problems upgrading acpid. Please, can anyone help?
21:23<linux02>i got it to work.. thanks guys... this is what i used as reference http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
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21:26<bruce89>linux02: sorry again
21:26<Mr-XxM>Hello guys, i need help: Im using Squeeze amd64, and some days ago i have problems upgrading acpid,. can anyone help?
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21:27<Mr-XxM>its the error : http://mibbit.com/url/7ueuiy
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21:30<mentor>!tell Mr-XxM about repeating
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21:31<Mr-XxM>mentor, do you know how to solve it?
21:32<mentor>I haven't looked
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21:33<Mr-XxM>well, its why i repeat. peoble that dont looked can have a 2nd chance to look it
21:34<Mr-XxM>i dont just repeat. I only repeat when enter some peoble that wasnt readed yet
21:35<mentor>Wait longer
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21:36<abrotman>varanis: please do not msg me ..
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21:36<abrotman>varanis: ask your question here
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21:36<mentor>Mr-XxM: There appears to be an answer to your question on that page?
21:37<mentor>Mr-XxM: Did it help?
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21:37*mentor eyes varanis
21:37<varanis>abrotman sorry about that, i did as you suggested, still didn't work
21:38<abrotman>varanis: might be a bad mirror
21:38<mentor>Oh
21:38<mentor>He was just here
21:38<varanis>when it goes to install something off the debian dvds it gives me the error: Hash Sum Mismatch
21:38<abrotman>varanis: use http sources?
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21:39<Mr-XxM>ok mentor, but i cant apply it by myself
21:39<varanis>no, im using debian 5 dvds
21:39<varanis>my connection is very slow for http sources
21:39<abrotman>varanis: how slow?
21:39<mentor>Mr-XxM: You can't rename a file?
21:39<mentor>Leave it on over night
21:39<Mr-XxM>ok, but rename to what?
21:40<mentor>Mr-XxM: Doesn't matter
21:40<varanis>dialup on old phone lines
21:40<mentor>It is being moved FROM rather than TO
21:40<abrotman>varanis: i've done the netinst over dialup ..
21:40<varanis>abrotman: can't imagine how long that took
21:41<mentor>You could just download those files that have hash mismatches
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21:41<abrotman>varanis: and that was before apt supported resume (or i didn't have it enabled)
21:41<mentor>Overnight
21:41<varanis>abrotman: should i remove the dvds from the repositories list and the http sources?
21:41<abrotman>varanis: that's one way
21:41<mentor>varanis: You probably don't want to install all the packages in the repository at once
21:42<abrotman>trying to install netscape on a 14.4 modem .. it was a 10MB file or something goofy .. which took like 3.25 hours .. and the Uni dialup pool would terminate you after three hours
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21:42<abrotman>this was a long long time ago
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21:43<varanis>abrotman well i usually connect at 31.2 so not that slow
21:43<Mr-XxM>mentor, just renaming it for .notworks was worked. Thanks
21:44<varanis>is there a list of sources that i can copy and paste into my sources list?
21:44<mentor>Mr-XxM: You may want to keep an eye on the bug mentioned on the page
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21:45<abrotman>varanis: for lenny?
21:45<varanis>abrotman: yeah
21:46<bremner>varanis: what do you want, exactly?
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21:47<varanis>bremner: trying to install dvdrip, but i keep getting - Hash Sum Mismatch
21:47<abrotman>varanis: "deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/debian lenny main contrib non-free" ... edit as needed
21:47<abrotman>you probably want security.debian.org soruces also
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21:47<varanis>Ok, thanks for the help going to try that, i will be back if that does not work.
21:47<mentor>varanis: If you're really concerned about using bandwidth, you could try rsyncing the file from the DVD with a version on the internet
21:48*mentor wonders where varanis goes
21:48<varanis>Mentor: how do you do that?
21:48<varanis>La La land
21:48<mentor>varanis: Using rsync, and reading the rsync documentation extensively
21:49*bremner suggests varanis types /me is brilliant
21:49<varanis>mentor: ok thanks, i will try that
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21:49<bremner>varanis: www.debian.org/mirrors might also be of interest
21:50<linux02>how can i find out what process are running on debian?
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21:50<mentor>linux02: man ps
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21:53<MacDadaPL>hi
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21:56<linux02>can anyone help me change drivers for my wifi card?
21:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper
21:59<MacDadaPL>i couldn;t find it at google: how do I list ALL groups i have on my linux?
21:59<MacDadaPL>'groups' command shows me only groups that my user belongs to, but i want to know the groups in general
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22:07<simonrvn>yeh, ok. ask a question and leave, why don't ya....
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22:08<RobertF>Hello
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22:08<RobertF>How many years "debian etch" is supported?
22:08<k1lumin4t1>until the next stable release appears, I think
22:09<k1lumin4t1>I mean, right now Etch status is Oldstable
22:09<k1lumin4t1>and Lenny is Stable
22:09<k1lumin4t1>so when Squeeze becomes Stable Etch will go off
22:10<goodger_>sounds about right
22:10<RobertF>ok, thank you
22:10<goodger_>I'd say late 2010? nobody can be sure
22:11<simonrvn>eth is already oldstable... it will be supported for about 1-1.5 year
22:11<k1lumin4t1>so, if your doubt is related to keeping Etch still, then you can. But it's actually more recommendable to do the upgrade
22:11<simonrvn>etch*
22:11<simonrvn>k1lumin4t1: not true
22:11<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, not true what?
22:11<simonrvn>except about the upgrade of course
22:12<simonrvn>22:09 < k1lumin4t1> so when Squeeze becomes Stable Etch will go off
22:12<k1lumin4t1>oh
22:12<k1lumin4t1>well I've always seen that behaviour
22:12<RobertF>see you
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22:12<simonrvn>coincidence
22:12<k1lumin4t1>Oldstable goes off when the current Testing branch is Stabilized
22:12<k1lumin4t1>hmm
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22:13<k1lumin4t1>it doesn't seem as just a coincidence, it seems like a regular behaviour, though
22:14<simonrvn>!etch
22:14<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch
22:14<simonrvn>!lenny
22:14<dpkg>i guess lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.1>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
22:14<k1lumin4t1>hmm
22:14<k1lumin4t1>sorry then
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22:16<simonrvn>s'ok
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22:35<qimo>hello veryone
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22:36<angasule>I wonder, if I reach a million points in xgalaga-hyperspace, will aliens come to recruit me?
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22:43<locsmif>Hmm, for the Europeans in here, your internet connection is under grave threat of becoming part of the jurisdiction of the private police of the entertainment industry:
22:43<locsmif>http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Mobilisation_2days_to_save_am138_and_citizens_rights_in_Telecoms_Package
22:44<abrotman>locsmif: #debian-offtopic
22:45<locsmif>abrotman, yeah, being recruited by aliens is much more on-topic ;-)
22:46<abrotman>locsmif: no aliens in #debian-offtopic .. unless you count enouf
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22:48<locsmif>by the way, something ontopic, since xorg 1.6 is in Sid, my mouse has become oversensitive
22:48<locsmif>should I change something in xorg.conf?
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22:53<locsmif>oh well...will wait it out for now..bbl
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