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---Logopened Tue Apr 21 00:00:17 2009
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00:21<twb>Prehook failed! find: `stat' terminated by signal 13 find: `stat' terminated by signal 13 find: `stat' terminated by signal 13
00:21<twb> /etc/etckeeper/pre-commit.d/30store-metadata: 130: Cannot fork
00:21<twb>...I'm sad.
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00:24<twb>$ sudo etckeeper commit 'test'
00:24<twb> /etc/etckeeper/pre-commit.d/30store-metadata: 130: readlink: Argument list too long
00:24<twb>Grr
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03:02<jozefk>i can't mount ntfs partition with windows xp installed on it. using lenny 5.0.1 as regular user it says access denied. if i run super user mode file manager I don't see that partition at all. any idea please?
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03:05<jm_>jozefk: is it mounted then? regular users can't readit by default
03:06<jozefk>it's not mounted but i can't mount it as super user because I don't see it
03:06<jozefk>i see it as regular user only. that's strage
03:06<jm_>run cat /proc/partitions
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03:07<jozefk> 8 0 78150744 sda 8 1 78148161 sda1 8 16 156290904 sdb 8 17 153637596 sdb1 8 18 1 sdb2 8 21 2650693 sdb5 8 32 976762584 sdc 8 33 976762552 sdc1
03:07<jm_>so which one is windows?
03:08<jozefk>wait i'll find out
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03:09<Supaplex>jozefk: file -sk /dev/sd[ab]*
03:09<Supaplex>don't paste the output here.
03:09<jm_>the size should give it out, 78G, 153G, 2.5G, 97G
03:09<jm_>or file indeed
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03:10<jozefk>output says no read permission for all of them. maybe i should try as SU
03:10<Supaplex>yes, as root
03:11<jm_>yes, or use the right mount options
03:11<jm_>(not for file though, later for accessing files when it's mounted)
03:11<jozefk>i got 6 partitions but no windows at all
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03:12<jozefk>4 boot sectors and 2 linux partitions
03:12<jozefk>don't see ntfs partition at all
03:13<jm_>paste the output of this to a pastebin: for a in a b c; do fdisk -l /dev/sd$a; done
03:14<jozefk>ok when i see again that first output above i can understand that ntfs is around 80GB and that is sda or sda1
03:14<jm_>so that must be it then
03:14<jm_>sda1
03:14<jozefk>yes it is sda1
03:15<jozefk>i got the output of that last command :) you want me to paste it in pastebin?
03:15<jm_>no, no need for it if you're sure it's sda1
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03:15<jozefk>yes i'm sure
03:15<Supaplex>jozefk: the kernel only knows about partitions listed in /proc/partitions
03:15<jm_>just mount it as root -- mount -r /dev/sda1 /foo
03:15<Supaplex>just in case it's on a different filesystem (eg, pata drive etc)
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03:16<adema>hey i need some help plz
03:16<jozefk>mount: mount point /foo does not exist
03:16<adema>a few weeks ago, i deleted some partition on my computer, thus the device number changed
03:16<jm_>well substitute it for where you want it mounte
03:16<jm_>d
03:17<adema>and my partition system goes from /dev/sda5 to /dev/sda3
03:17<jozefk>substitute?
03:17<adema>so i changed /boot/grub/menu.list to be able to boot linux again
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03:18<jm_>change
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03:18<adema>but when there is an update of kernel, the menu.lst is modified and the old device number is used
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03:18<jozefk>can i make a new folder on root and call it "win"let's say and then to change that foo to win?
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03:18<jm_>sure, or use /mnt/win or whatever (and it's a directory)
03:18<adema>can you help telling my debian that my system is actually on /dev/sda3
03:18<adema>plz !
03:18<sp>adema: there are a few special entries in grub's menu.lst that control the behavior of update-grub
03:19<jm_>adema: did you edit menu.lst too? the #kopt or whatever it's called
03:19<jozefk>ok wait for a while :)
03:19<adema>i though all # where comment XD
03:19<jm_>yeah you need to change commented out entries too - that's pretty idiotic
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03:19<sp>adema: unfortunatly these aren't, read the comments after the line ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
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03:19<sp>adema: what you probably want to modify is the kopt= line
03:20<morgaline>qui peut me donner le liens de la salle en francais svp:d
03:20<adema>ok
03:20<adema>thx
03:20<jm_>!tell morgaline -about fr
03:20<sp>you are welcome
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03:21<adema>i modified kopt and groot
03:22<jozefk>great! i can access the files as root now. thanks a lot!! and how about in the future? i'll always need to mount it with mount -r /dev/sda1 /winXP
03:22<jozefk>?
03:22<jozefk>mount -r /dev/sda1 /mnt/winXP
03:22<jozefk>actually
03:22<jozefk>i put it there
03:22<sp>adema: then run update-grub again and check if the boot stanzas are correct then
03:22<adema>ok
03:22<jm_>jozefk: no, add it to fstab, to access it as user use uid/gid/umask mount options
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03:24<jozefk>why it's not added in fstab automaticaly during debian installation? that's strange for me. anyway "uid/gid/umask mount options" i need to paste as it is or i need to change that "options" with some option :)
03:25<jm_>well I suppose the idea is that for inexperienced users they will rely on their desktop to mount it for them
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03:26<jozefk>yeah but i can't mount it from desktop. i see the icon but access is denied
03:27<jm_>yeah you probably need to add yourself to some group or somesuch
03:27<jozefk>hmm maybe. just don't understand why root don't see the icon at all. anyway i'll try that uid gid umask
03:28<jm_>are you using gnome?
03:30<jozefk>no kde. i'm loged in as regular user but i have that file manager with super user access and don't see the icon for win partiton from storage media
03:30<jozefk>logged*
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03:31<jm_>you can also ask in #debian-kde - I'm sure there's a better way than editing fstab
03:31<adema>hey
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03:31<adema>where there is no linux-source for kernel 2.6.28 ?
03:31<jozefk>that means it's not in fstab and that is strange for me. why it is not there. let's say if i boot knoppix i can see all icons on desktop and i can mount them one by one. any of them.
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03:32<jozefk>debian-kde .. i need to explain them then from the beggining :) anyway i'll go and try. thanks!
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03:34<jm_>jozefk: knoppix is not debian
03:35<jozefk>but it's debian based
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03:36<Supaplex>but but but. we don't support it.
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03:37<wide>help with sound on an asus laptop, M70V series, intel sound card, relevant info here: http://paste.debian.net/34039/
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03:37<wide>clean debian lenny install
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03:37<jozefk>i don't have questions about knoppix. i just said that for example because knoppix looks similar to debian. at least for me.
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03:37<jm_>wide: did you go through basic stuff such as unmuting etc.?
03:37<xwindowcrash>hmmm
03:37<wide>yes, tried everything I can find
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03:38<wide>unmute, unload modules,
03:38<Supaplex>xwindowcrash: are you related to Crash Bandicoot? :D
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03:38<xwindowcrash>no ... (nottalking)
03:39<adema>let's try kernel 2.6.29!
03:40<jm_>wide: does `amixer scontents' show all channels as unmuted? did you verify you don't have alsa speaker module loaded? no crap in .asoundrc?
03:41<wide>amixer unmuted, already did that,
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03:42<wide>dont see asoundrc, where is that?
03:43<twb>I have just added a PV to my LVM VG. How can I move an existing LV to the new PV?
03:43<jm_>home dir
03:43<wide>jm_, if you mean me, I don't see that in home dir, should I create it, or is it missing from a package?
03:44<locklace>twb: pvmove
03:45<twb>Huh. Thanks.
03:45<wide>what am I looking for to see if alsa speaker module is loaded, I don't see anything related to speaker/spkr or anything like that in lsmod
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03:46<locklace>i managed to resize my physical lvm partition and move my root fs onto a normal partition yesterday, that was amusing
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03:48<[gloom]>hi there. How can I change the home path of all the users (existing and future) from /home/username to /dir/home/username? Is there a command to do it for all users?? (AFAIK usermod can only modify 1 login at a time)...
03:48<jm_>wide: no, it's better to not have it
03:49<jm_>wide: cat /proc/asound/cards lists supported cards, also ls -l /sys/class/sound/card*/device/driver
03:49<wide>jm_, ok, thanks
03:50<wide>cat /proc/asound/cards
03:50<wide> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
03:50<wide> HDA Intel at 0xf7ff8000 irq 1272
03:50<locklace>[gloom]: in unix the way we do such things is write a trivial script that calls e.g. usermod for each user.
03:51<locklace>[gloom]: simple search-and-replace in a text editor using vipw also works
03:51<jm_>wide: so that's OK - apparently in new versions of that driver one can pass model=laptop parameter or somesuch which can help, not sure if yours has this already
03:51<[gloom]>so, replacing it in /etc/passwd is enough? This will do the work for the existing users
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03:52<[gloom]>but I need it to change it, so when a user is created in the future, the default home path is the new one...
03:52<Supaplex>uhhhh I think adduser lets you control that already.
03:53<Supaplex>man adduser. see also adduser.conf
03:53<jm_>[gloom]: edit adduser.conf
03:53<[gloom]>aha, that was the file
03:53<[gloom]>thx guys
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03:54<wide>jm_, looking for the ls -l, don't have that path, have this: ls -l /sys/class/sound/ with sub directories of: controlC0/ pcmC0D0c/ pcmC0D0p/ seq/ sequencer/ sequencer2/ timer/
03:56<jm_>wide: ahh which kernel version is this?
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03:56<wide># uname -a
03:56<wide>Linux wow 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 04:02:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
03:57<jm_>ok perhaps that symlink was added later, don't worry about that
03:57<wide>jm_, ok
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03:59<[gloom]>see u later. thx again. bye
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04:06<wide>ok, thanks for help anyway, bys
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04:35<EmleyMoor>Is there a page specifically about putting Debian on Eee PCs?
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04:36<gsimmons>!eee
04:36<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
04:36<jm_>indeed there is
04:37<EmleyMoor>Grand - how about Acor Aspires?
04:37<EmleyMoor>Acer
04:37<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: /msg dpkg acerone
04:37<adema>i need some help again plz
04:37<adema>i'm trying to connect my calculator to my computer
04:37<adema>a Ti-89 titanium
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04:38<adema>but tilp tell me that i have to install libusb and usbfs and check for permissions
04:38<adema>i wonder if i have to install some ti module first
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04:38<adema>but tidev modules are only available in oldstable etch
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04:39<jm_>adema: tilp - TI calculator <-> PC communication program for X
04:39<adema>i know
04:39<adema>i get this error when i try to use it with tilp2
04:39<adema>:P
04:40<adema>tilp is obselete npw
04:40<jm_>you mean you're building it from source?
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04:42<adema>no
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04:44<jm_>well debian doesn't have tilp2
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04:49<FullMan>Hi all
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04:52<Razique>hi hi hi there
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04:57<Razique>jm_ why is that :D
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05:14<hyperair>is there any way to force LVM2 to force disable a volume?
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05:18<locklace>hyperair: what does "disable a volume" mean?
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05:20<fcs>hello
05:20<fcs>is someone here ?
05:21<ffws>fcs: about 400 people, yes
05:21<fcs>i would-be learn "to play" with the bash
05:21<fcs>so
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05:22<fcs>i would-be mount my extern harddrive .....
05:22<fcs>but i cant find Volume 2 in /dev
05:22<fcs>can someone help me ?
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05:24<jm_>wtf is volume 2?
05:25<weasel>probably his name for the filesystem
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05:26<utrrrongeeb>A WesternDigital-based ISA NIC is supposedly recognized by the wd module, but drops all packets, producing errors like "transmitter busy."
05:26<enouf>the one after Volume 1 ?
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05:28<enouf>utrrrongeeb: you really have no free PCI slots to throw a real NIC in there? ;-)
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05:28<fcs>i have 2 extern harddrive per ubs - the are volume and Volume 2
05:29<fcs>volume is not relevant - i would-be moun t Volume 2
05:29<fcs>the type is ntfs
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05:30<utrrrongeeb>enouf: I have some free PCI slots, but I'm too cheap/too lazy to get a "real NIC." I haven't searched my junk box yet, though. Is there anything I can do for the ISA NIC?
05:30<jm_>first find out if it's pnp
05:31<enouf>otherwise you;ll need to configure the resources for it in the BIOS
05:31<jm_>and jumpers
05:31<fcs>hmmm
05:31<fcs>noone can help me ?
05:31<enouf>utrrrongeeb: i find sooooo many free PCI NICs here in curbside p2s and p3 throwaways
05:31<jm_>I have no idea what your problem is fcs
05:32<enouf>fcs: ubs == USB? and NTFS external drives? /msg dpkg ntfs
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05:33<utrrrongeeb>enouf: I'll look at that, then. I already know the card's address, and the driver claims to find the IRQ the memory range -- what else would jumper and BIOS setting do?
05:33<enouf>if irq is assigned and memeory range and port addresses, nothing much then
05:34<utrrrongeeb>enouf, jm_: Thanks, I'll look at and for those...
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05:34<jm_>utrrrongeeb: also check if it shows up /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports
05:35<utrrrongeeb>jm_: Okay, thanks...
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05:35<enouf>utrrrongeeb: there's a pkg called pnputils that might shed some light on something .. though a "transmitter busy" error, never saw that one ...
05:35<jm_>utrrrongeeb: if all looks OK there also play with mii-diag/ethtool
05:36<enouf>i wonder if ethtool wuould even see it - yep was going to say mii-tool
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05:38<utrrrongeeb>enouf, jm_: Thanks! I'll look at those.
05:38<jm_>the joys of pnpdump/isapnp ;)
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05:39<jm_>I was lucky that my ne2k ISA nics were not PNP
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05:40<enouf>heh
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05:49<EmleyMoor>Are all Acer Aspire Ones pretty much the same as far as installing Debian would go? I note the web page refers to them as though there was only one
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05:51<flips>partman recipes seems to be kinda buggy ... my last partition (swap) fills up the rest of the disk
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06:01<hyperair>locklace: forcibly disable a logical volume. i've killed everything except ssh, and it still complains about device being busy
06:01<hyperair>if only it could give me a hint damnit
06:01<petemc>where is it mounted?
06:01<hyperair>lsof doesn't say anything, so presumably there's something kernelspace that's whacked up thinking that it's in use
06:01<hyperair>it's not mounted
06:01<hyperair>well it used to be mounted as root
06:01<hyperair>but then i copied everything to a tmpfs partition
06:01<hyperair>and pivot_root
06:02<hyperair>oh and after that i couldn't umount it blargh
06:02<hyperair>so i passed in -l (note to self: never do that again)
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06:04<roberto>hi all!
06:04<roberto>I hope hyperair don't claim, but I have a quastion... may I?
06:04<ghantoos>!ask
06:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
06:05<hyperair>roberto: claim?
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06:07<locklace>hyperair: yeah, that wasn't a great idea. you might still be able to see what's using it with the right lsof incantation
06:07<roberto>I'm buying a Dell Power Edge 2950 with PERC6/i Controller to have build an HA two server system and I can't find info aruond HW compatibility
06:08<hyperair>locklace: lsof didn't show anything right from the start.
06:08<hyperair>locklace: either way, i've tried rebooting it, and it didn't come back online. looks like i'll have to drop by for physical access tomorrow
06:08<roberto>Has someone experience with this type of HW?
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06:09<locklace>hyperair: lsof and fuser are the only things that can help you, i think
06:10<locklace>hyperair: but sounds like you're beyond help now ;)
06:10<hyperair>locklace: indeed.
06:10<hyperair>locklace: and while i don't really know lsof very well, i couldn't get anything out of it
06:10<hyperair>locklace: there simply were no processes remaining
06:10<locklace>hyperair: fuser -m is probably more straightforward
06:11<hyperair>hmm
06:11<hyperair>intersting
06:11<hyperair>i'll use that next time
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06:11<jm_>roberto: Dell has info on Linux compatibility
06:12<hyperair>...i think i know why it won't boot
06:12<hyperair>shit.
06:12<hyperair>i forgot i dd if=/dev/zero'd the hard disk
06:12<petemc>roberto: works fine, tho you'll need to get firmware to make the network card work
06:12<locklace>...
06:12<hyperair>in one of my random efforts to get mdadm or lvm to just quit making me prance around
06:12<roberto>jm_: I'm worried about SCSI PERC6/i compatibility, I can't find if it is on vanilla server or not
06:12<jm_>roberto: http://linux.dell.com/storage.shtml
06:12<hyperair>i should really avoid ssh-ing into servers with only 1 hour of sleep
06:12<Razique>bye !
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06:13<roberto>jm_: checking... THX
06:13<locklace>hyperair: also avoid manipulating critical disks with dd when your only access is via the network
06:13<flips>maybe somehow partman recipes always fill up the drive?
06:14<ml>!sleep
06:14<dpkg>i heard sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
06:14<hyperair>locklace: indeed. well i was basically trying to unmount the root, so that i could release LVM and md1, and then re-create it using RAID-1 instead of RAID-0.
06:15<hyperair>locklace: i mixed up the RAID levels while installing CentOS, and after i overwrote it with debian, i realized it was raid-0 instead of 1.
06:15*hyperair bangs head on the wall
06:15<locklace>hyperair: that's why you boot from a rescue disk for that kind of work ;)
06:16<hyperair>locklace: i'm lazy to drop by the server room. requires a 15 minutes walk in the sun which usually ends up with me completely drenched in sweat
06:17<koollman>ah, laziness ...
06:17<hyperair>locklace: and by the way, switching from centos to debian was a success via SSH.
06:17<koollman>when you're lazy that way, you make sure you have some kind of remote console
06:17<hyperair>locklace: probably because i didn't have to unmount root, just rm -rf it
06:17<hyperair>koollman: ...like ssh?
06:18<koollman>no, like external access, serial connection or KVM. and also a remote controlled power supply
06:18<koollman>:)
06:18<locklace>it should probably be possible to stick a rescue disk image somewhere on the network and netboot from it whenever needed
06:18<koollman>oh, yes, a netboot server,too.
06:18<koollman>then, you can be lazy ;)
06:19<locklace>yes. real laziness requires meticulous, labour-intensive preparation
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06:19<enouf>right .. if you're going to be lazy .. atleast do it right :-P
06:19<koollman>(or, hire someone that do the manipulations for you. and, yes, I have all of these thing. I'm lazy! :) )
06:20<enouf>or .. if you need to shed some pounds, look at this "sweaty walk in the sun" as a positive thing ;-)
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06:21<hyperair>locklace: doesn't work if it manages to find GRUB, and then fails at mounting the root partition.
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06:22<locklace>btw, i found this yesterday when i had to do some repartitioning, very nicely done: http://www.sysresccd.org/
06:22<hyperair>enouf: i shed too many pounds from these walks (think everyday, to class, but since my exams over, i have no more classes for the time being)
06:22<jm_>locklace: yeah that or grml are handy
06:22<locklace>hyperair: it does work but you have to arrange things carefully beforehand
06:23<Coolinger>Hi all! I can't remind the command which throws out a column of figures. You give the command a start and an end, and it gives the numbers. Anybody know what I mean? :)
06:23<weasel>seq?
06:23<Coolinger>bang
06:23<Coolinger>sure
06:23<hyperair>locklace: i believe that if it loads the kernel, and the initrd, it's going to kernel panic if it can't find the root ;)
06:23<Coolinger>thx
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06:23<jm_>Coolinger: modern shells don't need external tool to do this
06:23<enouf>well - i'm awaiting spring/summer where i am and would welcome sunlight ;-)
06:24<Coolinger>yeah, but i did not want ot make a for ((...
06:24<Coolinger>i knew there was this simple command :)
06:24<jm_>it's not for, it's {X..Y}
06:24<locklace>hyperair: that's why you're booting from a rescue image
06:24<Coolinger>ok, did not know that one
06:24<Coolinger>wow
06:24<locklace>jm_: grml looks interesting too, how does it compare to sysresccd?
06:24<hyperair>locklace: it doesn't automatcally fall back, upon kernel panic does it ;)
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06:25<jm_>locklace: I only use grml :)
06:25<Coolinger>thx jm_
06:25<jm_>Coolinger: np
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06:25<hyperair>locklace: oh wait, you mean have another partition that contains a small installation with ssh to do rescue work?
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06:25<locklace>jm_: i'll check it out, thanks for the pointer. handy to have a nice live cd to put in arbitrary computers running dumb operating systems
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06:26<koollman>hyperair: remember to had 'panic=60' to the grub kernel line
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06:27<locklace>hyperair: something like that, hence "arrange things carefully beforehand". you can do it with netboot instead of a reserved physical partition too
06:28<hyperair>locklace: yeah i guess.
06:28<hyperair>koollman: panic=60?
06:28<koollman>hyperair: reboot after 60 seconds in case of kernel panic
06:28<hyperair>koollman: it's going to go into a reboot cycle
06:28<koollman>yes (or to another boot entry). that's when you activate netboot.
06:29<knuellesau>Hi channel, how can you determine which packet contains particular libs? My specific missing lib is "libsqlite3.so.0" on a Debian Lenny AMD64 installtion. (My task is installing and configuring bacula with sqlite). Thanks in advance!
06:29<jm_>knuellesau: /msg dpkg search
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06:30<jm_>bacula is in debian
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06:30<knuellesau>yes, I installed by aptitude install bacula, but the lib is missing
06:30<jm_>that can't be, it has a dependancy on it
06:30<enouf>jm_: Coolinger <greybot> seq(1) is a highly nonstandard external command used to count to 10 in silly Linux howtos. Use one of these instead: for x in {1..10} (bash3.x) or for ((x=1; x<=10; x++)) (bash 2.04+) or i=1; while [ $i -le 10 ]; do ...; i=$(($i+1)); done (ksh/POSIX)
06:31<petemc>non standard?
06:31<knuellesau># ldd /usr/sbin/bacula-dir linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007fffdb1ff000) libpython2.5.so.1.0 => /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0 (0x00007ffad2bf6000) libutil.so.1 => /lib/libutil.so.1 (0x00007ffad29f3000) librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x00007ffad27ea000) libsqlite3.so.0 => not found
06:31<petemc>the only os ive noticed not having it was osx
06:31<enouf>yerp .. non-POSIX compliant?
06:31<petemc>pfft
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06:31<jm_>modern ksh has shell arithemtic too ;)
06:31<enouf>heh
06:32<Coolinger>enouf: thx. learned the {x..y} today )
06:32<knuellesau>locate also doesn't find the lib
06:32<jm_>knuellesau: install bacula-director-sqlite3
06:32<knuellesau>already installed
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06:33<knuellesau>~# aptitude search sqlite|grep baculac bacula-director-sqlite - network backup, recovery and verificationi bacula-director-sqlite3 - network backup, recovery and verificationp bacula-sd-sqlite - network backup, recovery and verificationi bacula-sd-sqlite3
06:33<koollman>knuellesau: that should be all you need
06:33<enouf>jm_: integer only still though, correct? (ksh reference)
06:33<knuellesau>cannot connect to bconsole
06:34<koollman>knuellesau: specific error message ?
06:34<knuellesau># bconsoleConnecting to Director localhost:910121-Apr 12:34 bconsole JobId 0: Fatal error: bsock.c:129 Unable to connect to Director daemon on localhost:9101. ERR=Connection refused
06:34<jm_>knuellesau: unless there's a bug in the package, it depends on sqllite
06:34<jm_>connection refused means nothing's listening
06:35<knuellesau>bconsole.conf is configured, password matches the one under bacula-dir.conf
06:35<enouf>knuellesau: locate won't possibly b/c you want to run updatedb if installed recently - use dpkg -S or -L <pkgname>, or dlocate and update-dlocatedb
06:35<jm_>so wherever it's trying to connecto to, nothing is there waiting for it
06:35<knuellesau>So, I must start a bconsole deamon first?
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06:36<koollman>knuellesau: that's not a sqlite-related error at all
06:36<jm_>looks like we were mislead into chasing a wrong error
06:36<knuellesau>ah, bacula-dir service should be running, but there's only bacul-sd and bacula-fd
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06:37<knuellesau>#bacula-dirbacula-dir: error while loading shared libraries: libsqlite3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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06:37<t23>anybody else had problems with the new X.org 1.6.1 and Intel mobile graphics chipsets?
06:37<koollman>knuellesau: now ... that looks like a bug
06:38<knuellesau>bacula-dir doesn't start due to missing lib
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06:38<jm_>knuellesau: check bts
06:38<enouf>t23: if it's new, i've heard some things in dev channels .. no intimate details since i don't follow closely
06:38<knuellesau>what's bts?
06:38<jm_>!tell knuellesau -about bts
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06:38<knuellesau>just run bts in shell?
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06:39<jm_>t23: what problems?
06:39<jm_>no, read what dpkg told you about bts
06:39<t23>basically, it starts up with a really weird refresh rate, even though the log says it picks the right resolution
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06:39<t23>meaning i cant see a thing
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06:40<jm_>ahh I suppose you could force it to use the right one with settings in xorg.conf - or xrandr once it's running
06:40<knuellesau>ah, Bug-Tracking-System :-P
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06:40<t23>and no matter how i try to force it to use a valid modeline, it blankly ignores me
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06:40<knuellesau>Thanks, guys!
06:40<t23>i can get it running by first starting X manually, then running xvidtune from a console
06:41<t23>but that way i cant run xdm or kdm
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06:41<t23>vesa works fine, but not intel, and vesa tilts the console displays (double line spacing)
06:42<jm_>also check bts for it
06:42<jm_>instead of modeline, try to limit monitor parameters
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06:45<t23>cant find anything in bug tracking
06:45<t23>and half a day of google didnt help either
06:47<t23>i tried X -configure as well with the same result
06:49<jm_>just try to limit what monitor can do si it picks the right mode
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06:50<t23>is there an easy way to get those values?
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06:53<jm_>several tools, get-edid|parse-edid, hwinfo, and another one
06:53<jm_>x log should also have them
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06:53<jm_>but I suppose that might be bogus since it picks a wrong mode itself
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06:54<jm_>xresprobe is the third one
06:55<sylar>why pacemaker only in sid?
06:55<locklace>anyone using kvm? just curious how well it's working these days
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06:56<jm_>!why is pacemaker not in testing
06:56<dpkg>pacemaker is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pacemaker
06:56<dondelelcaro>!why pacemaker is not in testing
06:56<dpkg>pacemaker is not in testing for the reasons list in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pacemaker
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06:59<t23>sorry about that, things locked up here
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07:00<enouf>t23: see if cvt generates a proper usable modeline also
07:00<sylar>so because of automake?!
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07:00<t23>enouf, i have a perfectly valid modeline but X simply ignores it
07:00<sylar>what is automake a make sugar?
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07:00<locklace>hehe, zsh and fluxbox, i'm switching to grml
07:00<t23>and if i use PreferredMode it ignores it as well
07:01<enouf>t23: how about monitor refresh rate ranges?
07:01<t23>enouf, the old (1.4.2) Intel driver detected that perfectly
07:02<t23>wondering how i am going to find them by hand
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07:02<enouf>t23: well, i'd be looking at the debian-x mailing list if i were you
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07:02<t23>because it looks like a garbled CRT with a bad refresh rate when i start it, but that shouldn't be possible with an LCD display
07:02<jm_>several tools, get-edid|parse-edid, hwinfo, and another one
07:02<jm_>xresprobe is the third one
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07:03<enouf>i wonder if lshw would also
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07:04<enouf>(since hwinfo does)
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07:05<t23>xresprobe gives absolutely no values
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07:05<enouf>heh, my LCD manual tells me the apropos refresh rate ranges ... i never understood why that's so hard for some to comprehend
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07:05<t23>i never had a manual for this laptop, it was second hand and the manufacturer doesn't have them online
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07:06<enouf>oh .. a craptop? well - someone has posted the specifications somewhere about it ..
07:06<enouf>!laptop
07:06<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode> <suspend troubleshooting>.
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07:27<knuellesau>I want to downgrade from lenny to etch. I replaced lenny by etch in sources.list, made apt-get update, but apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't initiate the downgrade. Am I wrong with apt-get dist-upgrade?
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07:28<azeem>knuellesau: downgrades are not supported
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07:29<knuellesau>IIRC this worked with ubuntu some years ago.
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07:30<ml>!tell knuellesau -about downgrade
07:30<knuellesau>changing from lenny amd64 to lenny i386 also doesn't work somehow?
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07:34<sep>correct, you can not change arch on the fly without some kind of re installation
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07:49<tenzind>hi, i login into a remote server, but then due to some problem i have to reboot my local machine before i logout from the remote server. I again log into the remote server and when i do a "who" , it shows 2 of me are logged in. My current login and my previous login. Now how do i log out my previous login session??
07:49<weasel>the session should die eventually
07:49<weasel>at least if it's ssh with keepalives
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07:50<tenzind>weasel, had some conf files open.. and thought they might get corrupt
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07:51<weasel>probably not
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09:21<aver>hi to all,i have installed mrtg but /var/www/mrtg is not created...
09:24<djc>so create it
09:24<sep>aver, ried reading /usr/share/doc/mrtg/README.Debian ?
09:24<djc>are you sure thats where its supposed to be?
09:25<aver>djc manually creating directory will not create any probs? bur while installing mrtg it has to create directory
09:25<davi>Is there Debian ISO for x86_64, say for example Intel Core i7?
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09:27<sep>davi, i386 or amd64 will both work. i386 will give you a 32 bit userland, and amd64 will give you a 64 bit userland
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09:28<aver>sep i am getting error as CFG error in "workdir" , line 8: working directory /var/www/mrtg does not exist
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09:28<sep>if you run a server and need more then 4 GB ram amd64 is a sane choise, if you need a desktop with software that may or may not be 64 bit ready (like flash) , or just dont need more then 4GB ram i386 is a sane choice
09:28<davi>thanks sep
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09:29<davi>sep, Are all the packages in amd64? Is there problem with Flash, etc.?
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09:30<davi>sep, Will I get better performance using amd64 on such CPU?
09:30<aver>sep ..will it be possible to make use of more than 4gb ram in i386?
09:31<davi>aver, YEs, I am using 6 on i386
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09:31<sep>davi, unless you have more then 4 GB ram or do a lot of 64 bit math probably no.
09:31<aver>davi:how?
09:31<davi>aver, Install a kernel with has the > 4BG RAM enabled, for example the bigmem one
09:32<penpen>bigmem
09:32<penpen>most default 386 kernels stop at 2-3gb anyway, it depends on the compile flags
09:32<davi>sep, Yes, I have 6BG of ram.
09:33<davi>sep, Are I able to do 64 bit math computing in a Debian i386 installation?
09:33<penpen>davi: no, not without a 64bit kernel, even if the processor is capable
09:33<davi>does it require some library, or it is related to the kernel?
09:33<davi>ok
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09:34<aver>penpen :while compiling kernel make menuconfig .where it shows this option?
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09:34<davi>Are any of the Free Software flash players compatible with 64 bits
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09:35<sep>aver, yes you can use more then 4 GB ram using a trick called PAE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension it gives a performance hit .
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09:36<sep>(guess that's basicaly what bigmem kernels do) ?
09:36<penpen>aver: Processor type and features --> High Memory Support
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09:36<penpen>basically, yes, they use PAE to access the 64bit memory registers from 32bit
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09:37<sep>aver, personaly i run a i386 userland with amd64 kernel in those cases. but it's not recomended nor supported afaik
09:37<aver>sep :penpen i compiled kernel using CONFIG_X86_32=y then also it is running on 64 bit?
09:37<penpen>aver: that sounds like it would be a 32bit kernel
09:37<sep>aver, i never compile the kernel. the debian built ones are more then sufficient
09:38<sep>afk
09:38<aver>penpen whatever kernel we download from kernel.org has support to 32 and 64 bit?
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09:39<aver>or we have to download 64 bit kernel specifically..from any site?
09:39<penpen>aver: if you download the source from kernel.org and compile it, if you compile it from a 64 bit build envornment you can make a 64bit kernel..32bit build environment can only build 32bit kernel afaik
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09:40<aver>it means eventhough i am having 64 bit machine ..due to kernel i am using as 32bit only..
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09:41<aver>if i use 64 bit kernel then will there any performance increment?
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10:41<user>hi
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10:43<Guest1452>what??/
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11:01<hellth>Hello, I've got little problem with my phpmyadmin. I've got two virtual boxes running on Xen both with debian. When I want to import/upload a database over phpmyadmin it die after 1-4 tables imported. I've checked php.ini file and max upload limit is 32MB (imported database has only ~256Kb), I've checked my.cnf on second machine but it seems too okay. Any idea ? Thanks.
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11:09<flips>gah, it's really hard to get a working norwegian keyboard defined through preseed installation ... Now I got norwegian keymapping/keyboard layout. Encoding seems to be utf-8/two-byte, but the terminal doesn't handle/understand it ... similar problem both in tty and gnome-terminal
11:09<flips>maybe I should find some command to run as late command to fix it
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11:41<Hillaballoo>'morning all, having some serious dovecot and amavis problems with two lenny mail servers that started about 2-3 weeks ago. Is this the place to ask?
11:42<petemc>sure, and if no one knows here theres a dedicated dovecot channel
11:43<klando>heloo, since very recently wine start to be very slow on debian sid... some people already complain about that here ?
11:43<Hillaballoo>well, the more serious issue is that amavis and spamassassin went from working fine for over a year solid, to crashing almost daily. The dovecot issue is annoying
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11:44<Hillaballoo>(hunting for the logs, just got in)
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11:45<klando>since wine didn't move I wonder what did it ... X perhaps ?
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11:50<cryingtux>hi
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11:51<cryingtux>since lenny has been released, how do i set testing repos on my debian system?
11:51<petern>same as ever...
11:51<cryingtux>should it be testing or squeeze?
11:51<erKURITA>both
11:51<erKURITA>testing is a symlink to squeeze
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11:52<erKURITA>s/both/either/
11:52<cryingtux>are these correct?
11:52<cryingtux>http://rafb.net/p/WlrmzK91.html
11:52<erKURITA>never heard of squeeze-proposed-updates
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11:53<erKURITA>but according to the indexes, yes
11:53<erKURITA>it's correct
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11:53<cryingtux>i got it from here, was confused so came here to confirm
11:53<cryingtux>http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php
11:53<cryingtux>Debian Sources List Generator
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11:57<valdyn>cryingtux: filling in that form is like more work than just writing your own sources.lst
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11:58<cryingtux>valdyn: you are right, thats why i came here, wanted to get some "official" sources list from here if we have any
11:59<cryingtux>official testing repository list to be precise
11:59<valdyn>cryingtux: your list seems fine anyway
11:59<valdyn>cryingtux: you cant get an "official" list for something that isnt a debian release
11:59<cryingtux>valdyn: thanks
11:59<ranix>lol wut
12:01<cryingtux>valdyn: so should it be testing or squeeze in those repos lines? im sort of un easy with the "squeeze"
12:01<valdyn>cryingtux: squeeze is better for you
12:01<cryingtux>ok as you say
12:01<valdyn>cryingtux: squeeze means track what will become stable
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12:02<cryingtux>valdyn: thanks
12:02<valdyn>cryingtux: testing means track what is the beta branch
12:02<valdyn>cryingtux: there will be a "new" testing once squeeze is released
12:03<cryingtux>im reading and trying to understand what you say
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12:03<valdyn>cryingtux: in different words: testing refers to a release state, squeeze to a specific release
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12:03<valdyn>cryingtux: squeeze is now in the testing "state" and will become "stable"
12:04<valdyn>cryingtux: testing however always is the testing state, it will get a new codename but never become stable
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12:05<cryingtux>valdyn: do we have a debian kernels repository ?
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12:08<koollman>cryingtux: the debian repository. do you need something more specific ?
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12:10<cryingtux>koollman: what im trying to do is have a debian testing based system: i read on debian website testing being not as stable : found pureos which is based on debian testing: they dont have debian kernels: so was stuck again to be honest
12:11<noumaan>I am trying to install ur_PK locale. I have run dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected ur_PK there but when I login back I dont see it listed in languages
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12:11<djc>cryingtux, only actual debian is supported here
12:11<djc>not 'based on debian'
12:12<djc>for a thorough explanation of debians releases and codenames, see http://www.debian.org/releases/
12:12<cryingtux>djc: i understand that, so im here how to set a pure "debian testing system" and not something based on it
12:13<djc>go to www.debian.org and download the first lenny CD
12:13<cryingtux>djc: thanks will read this
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12:13<djc>why do you want 'testing' ?
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12:13<djc>you want to 'test (try) out debian' ? or you want to help debug/develop debian?
12:13<djc>the latter is a valid reason to use testing. for the former, instead use the current stable release (currently lenny)
12:14<djc>if you've never used debian before, you probably want to use the current release, not the version where they are 'testing' new software and changes
12:14<cryingtux>want "new" packages, understand that they wont be stable though
12:14<djc>lenny was only released a few months ago, its pretty dang new
12:14<noumaan>I am trying to install ur_PK locale. I have run dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected ur_PK there but when I login back I dont see it listed in languages
12:15<djc>if you have some specific need for a specific version of some package than is included in lenny, see backports
12:15<djc>!backports
12:15<dpkg>i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
12:15<ranix>wtf cryingtux
12:15<cryingtux>djc:thanks
12:15<ranix>"new"? do you even know the difference between "new" and not
12:15<djc>if you ont have a *specific* need for a package thats newer than the one in lenny, then you really want to stick with whats in lenny
12:15<cryingtux>ranix: sorry?
12:15<noumaan>I am asked to test urdu translations that some one is doing for XFCE and the method they suggested which was to copy paste the translation files into /usr/share/locale/ur folder does not work either
12:15<ranix>cryingtux: your thoughts are wrong
12:16<cryingtux>ranix: ok
12:17<cryingtux>djc: thats what i am looking for and i guess backports will do the job
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12:17<djc>basically, use lenny. if something doesnt work right, or at all, or there is some feature of some software that you desperately need that the version in lenny doesnt have, then come here to find out what the actual fix is, and/or why you dont really need that feature
12:18<djc>I've been a power linux user for 15 years or so. lenny has everything I need
12:18<djc>I havent found a need for anythning newer..
12:18<noumaan>djc, thats what i am asking
12:18<fxiny>yes , lennny is great
12:18<djc>noumaan, ?
12:19<cryingtux>djc: this is what happened: i was installing a package on lenny and it failed because i was getting the error that many of the needed dependencies were quite older versions
12:19<noumaan>I can not install locale for a language
12:19<noumaan>and i think i might have found a bug or something
12:19<djc>cryingtux, installing a package from where?
12:19<djc>generally, you dont want to go randomly gooling around for .debs. You want to find software within the debian repositories
12:19<djc>*googling
12:19<cryingtux>i will get you the name : 1 sec please
12:20<djc>cryingtux, ok
12:20<djc>noumaan, I don't know anything about translation files
12:20<djc>noumaan, hang out and eventually someone here should be able to help you
12:20<noumaan>:(
12:20<noumaan>ok
12:20<djc>in the meantime, try perusing documentation and/or looking in google
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12:22<djc>cryingtux, btw, on your lenny system, you should have 'lenny' in the sources.list, *not* 'stable'
12:23<cryingtux>djc: yes i changed from unstable to lenny when it was released since im using lenny when it was in testing phase
12:23<djc>if you have 'stable', then at some point in the future when 'stable' becomes squeeze instead of lenny, you will find yourself installing packages from the wrong release. Once squeeze is released if you decide you want to upgrade, then read the upgrading instructions
12:23<djc>unstable is always sid
12:24<djc>lenny was previously 'testing', then it became 'stable' when it eas released (with etch moving from 'stable' to 'oldstable')
12:24<cryingtux>djc: sorry: im forgetting that package, it is a debian file, and when you install it complains of the dependecies being too older
12:24<djc>cryingtux, dont download packages manually. use apt
12:24<mjt>djc: why lenny instead of stable?
12:24<djc>what software did you want to install?
12:24<mjt>oh
12:24<mjt>nm
12:24<djc>mjt, ^^^^^
12:24<ranix>!lenny
12:25<dpkg>methinks lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.1>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
12:25<fxiny>galileo release :P
12:25<djc>cryingtux, or better, aptitude, or if you like gui's, synaptic
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12:25<ranix>djc and I are of the same mind that there should be a specific term similar to "moving-target" for the "stable" and "oldstable" keywords in sources.list
12:25<djc>cryingtux, what software where you trying to install?
12:26<ranix>since it's like a jumping target that alters drastically at new releases
12:26<ranix>generally I think one should avoid using "stable" in sources.list
12:26<djc>ranix, I wouldnt be opposed to those kewords not working at all.
12:26<djc>and instead specifically having to use the release codename you want
12:26<cryingtux>sorry im even forgetting the name, if you are here i will boot to my lenny and will let you know in 5 minutes, you can "test" the problem yourself which i faced
12:26<djc>cryingtux, you dont know what program you wanted to use?
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12:27<djc>what was it for?
12:27<flips>someone really should fix preseed or the preseed doc. I have added everything I found on console and so on with utf-8, country selection and more. I finally got UTF-8 working in the tty's, but in Gnome-terminal ANSI_X3.4-1968 is default encoding ...
12:27<cryingtux>its something i never used/seen before, to be honest
12:27<djc>what was it for?
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12:27<djc>how did you find it?
12:27<djc>where did you get it?
12:27<cryingtux>its something related to multimeida, gets you utube videos too
12:28<djc>dont download .debs from random webpages. if there is some software you want, search for it in the debian repositories and install it from there
12:28<djc>ok, if you find the name I can see if its in the repo
12:28<mjt>..and install it from random debian mirror instead :)
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12:28<djc>mjt, random debian mirror which passes the debian gpg key :)
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12:28<cryingtux>djc: just in 5 mints i will be able to tell you the whole tale, sorry for the trouble
12:29<djc>the point is, it will be specifically for debian, and maybe even specifically for your current release of debian
12:29<djc>with all the dependencies correct and whatnot
12:29<djc>cryingtux, ok
12:29<cryingtux>im killing this pureos and booting to lenny
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12:30<djc>!pureos
12:30<dpkg>PureOS and PureOSlight are French GNU/Linux live CD distributions, based on Debian's <testing> branch. http://pureos.org/ Ask me about <based on Debian>.
12:31<djc>LOL: Windows 7 Starter Edition - 3 Apps Only
12:31<djc>Debian starter edition : as many damn apps as you want, however you want
12:32<mjt>djc: where you were asleep for last 5 years or so?
12:32<locsmif>!based on Debian
12:32<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
12:32<djc>5 years?
12:32<mjt>djc: m$ offered WinXP $some edition about 5 years ago, with the same limitation
12:32<ranix>lol 5 years
12:32<ranix>I've been using Debian since 1998
12:32<mjt>to be sold in develiping countries
12:32<ranix>what is this 5 years
12:32<djc>mjt, I don't really keep that close a track of what microshit does
12:33<mjt>heh ok ;)
12:33<themill>What is this "Windows" thing?
12:33<djc>That just popped up as the lead story on /.
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12:33<fxiny>m$ offering ? you sure ? amazing :P
12:33<djc>ranix, noob
12:33<djc>:P
12:33<ranix>themill: it's an anti-DRM system funded by businesses to enable piracy in home theater systems
12:33<ranix>themill: but lots of people use it where it doesn't belong and it's not very secure
12:33<djc>ranix, Although I only beat you by a couple years
12:34<ranix>like you'd expect for a piracy tool, the manufacturer is surrounded by questionable legality and threatening business practices
12:35<djc>ranix, *yawn*
12:35<ranix>but, we put up with it because the executives are entertaining
12:35<djc>Hey I just want to know how I can book Ballmer for a chair-throwing event
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12:36<ranix>djc: he's too busy making table-sized iphones and calling it the next big innovation
12:36<fxiny>a chair ? hire a forklift
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12:36*djc waits with bated breath for cryingtux to be back
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12:37<djc>LOL!
12:37<fxiny>djc: pass the super powers !
12:37<sylar>what packages should I use with DRBD primary/primary ?
12:37<djc>heck I dont even got chanops
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12:37<djc>sylar, parse error
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12:37<djc>!drbd
12:37<dpkg>methinks drbd is a block device which is designed to build high availability clusters. This is done by mirroring a whole block device via (a dedicated) network. You could see it as a network raid-1. It is basically raid 1 over two pcs.
12:37<djc>hrm
12:38<djc>nvm.. but no idea
12:38<djc>cryingtux, well?
12:38<cryingtux>djc: sorry lenny took time to boot since im running my lenny live dvd made via remsatersys
12:38<AzaTht>I have been trying find information regarding the opengl fullescreen problem when using the xorg-video-radeon thingi, which following error output given: http://paste.debian.net/34070/
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12:38<cryingtux>djc: here is that package
12:38<cryingtux>http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008_05_01_archive.html
12:38<djc>sigh
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12:38<djc>1. dont use ubuntu packages on debian
12:39<cryingtux>later i found it in repository though
12:39<djc>two. whats the actual *name* of the package
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12:39<djc>then install it from the repository
12:39<djc>dont download packages manually
12:39<cryingtux>no please have a look at that link first please
12:39<djc>there appear to be a lot of packages listed there
12:39<djc>which one are you interested in
12:40<cryingtux>AcetoneISO 2.0.2 ISO mounter
12:40<djc>apparently its an ubuntu specific package
12:40<djc>what is it you need to *do*?
12:41<djc>generally, one identified a task one wants to accomplish, then looks for software that will accomplish that task
12:41<cryingtux>so that dependency crisis was because of ubuntu specific package
12:41<djc>identifies*
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12:41<AzaTht>djc: heh
12:41<cryingtux>djc:
12:41<djc>who knows.. dont download software manually. install from the debian repositores
12:42<djc>what task is it you need to accomplish?
12:42<cryingtux>i will paste something for you, may be they are not "officially" correct either as i feel now
12:42<djc>what task is it you need to accomplish?
12:42<djc>what task is it you need to accomplish?
12:42<djc>and dont paste here
12:42<djc>!pastebin
12:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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12:43<AzaTht>cryingtux: i.e. what is the underlying functionallity you are seeking after?
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12:44<djc>linux is not like windows. you dont just go randomly clicking on cool shiny things and install everything under the sun until your system becomes a bloated piece of crapware
12:44-!-noumaan [~nom@116.71.35.184] has joined #debian
12:44<djc>er.. I mean *more* of a bloated piece of crapware
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12:44<noumaan>I am trying to install ur_PK locale. I have run dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected ur_PK there but when I login back I dont see it listed in languages
12:44<cryingtux>i was looking for something with gui that downloads youtube videos easily, but i guess that was not a target specific task done by me
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12:45<AzaTht>djc: hey, don't complain about my computer!
12:45<cryingtux>http://rafb.net/p/oy8jkK11.html
12:45<noumaan>cryingtux, you can not download but watch youtube videos in totem
12:45<djc>cryingtux, I beleive there are firefox addons that let you scrape youtube
12:45<cryingtux>are these "officially" correct repos?
12:45<zedboy>cryingtux: the only effective way I've found to do that is with RealPlayer 11
12:45<noumaan>cryingtux, i think it would be great if totem had a plugin to download these videos and convert them on the fly
12:46<djc>anything not ...debian.org isnt part of debian itself
12:46<AzaTht>perhaps the youtube-dl is what you are looking for then
12:46<djc>debian-multimedia isnt horrible though
12:46<djc>anything that has 'lenny' is probably at least not horridly incompatible
12:46<fxiny>dmm is serving good stuff since long time
12:47<cryingtux>djc: i pasted my repository list from lenny: are the looking "safe" ?
12:47<AzaTht>!dpkg youtube-dl
12:47<djc>!dpkg clive
12:47<djc>hrm
12:47<djc>!dpkg apt clive
12:47<cryingtux>they*
12:47<djc>bah
12:47<djc>clive: Video extraction utility for YouTube, Google Video and other video sites
12:47<djc>Command-line and fullscreen console program that extracts videos from YouTube,
12:47<djc>Google Video and other video sites. It supports embedded video extraction, and
12:47<djc>can be used with an external encoder (e.g. ffmpeg) to re-encode the extracted
12:47<djc>videos to different video formats (e.g. avi, mpeg, flv).
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12:47<djc>BAH
12:47<AzaTht>!dpkg find youtube-dl lenny
12:48<djc>AzaTht, note that I didnt find that as a package in synaptic
12:48<themill>judd versions youtube-dl
12:48<judd>themill: youtube-dl -- sid: 2008.03.22-1
12:48<djc>I did find clive when I looked for that tho
12:48<enouf>!youtube script
12:48<dpkg>well, youtube script is see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternate is the 'youtube-dl' pkg
12:48<djc>judd versions clive
12:48<judd>djc: clive -- etch-backports: 0.4.14-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.4.18-1 sid: 1.0.2-1 sid: 2.1.10-1 squeeze: 2.1.10-1
12:48<djc>there
12:48<AzaTht>!dpkg find youtube-dl sid
12:48<fxiny>enouf: !!
12:48<enouf>fxiny: !! :-p
12:48<AzaTht>youtube-dl exists in sid at least
12:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 442] by debhelper
12:49<AzaTht>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=youtube-dl&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
12:49<djc>cryingtux, anyway, install one of those.. looks like youtube-dl is only sid for now.. so clive might be easier
12:49-!-andrea [~andrea@ppp-24-210.32-151.iol.it] has joined #debian
12:49<AzaTht>and in etch m68k...
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12:49<cryingtux>djc: thanks, will get that
12:49<djc>and remember
12:49<djc>*dont* download packages from websites manually
12:49<AzaTht>"apt-cache search" is your friend
12:49<djc>use aptitude or synaptic
12:49<cryingtux>could you look at my repos list i pasted?
12:49<bugsbunny>@cryingtux https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006
12:50<djc><djc> anything not ...debian.org isnt part of debian itself
12:50<cryingtux>bugsbunny; thanks, will get this too
12:50<djc>debian-multimedia is ok
12:50<AzaTht>http://paste.debian.net/34072/
12:50<djc>anything that has a tree specifically for 'lenny' is probably ok
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12:50<djc>or at least, probably wont horridly break stuff
12:51*themill notes that installing mplayer takes about as much disk space as installing iceweasel + flash
12:51<djc>if you want *just* the official debian repositories, you want:
12:51<bugsbunny>youtube-dl is command line, I believe. But works. Should be no problem installing, onlt dependency is python >=2.4
12:51<cryingtux>AzaTht: thanks, its helpful
12:51<AzaTht>themill: and?
12:52<djc>cryingtux, (see msg)
12:52<themill>AzaTht: see dpkg's last line about avoiding bloated browsers...
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12:52<cryingtux>djc: yes im following and will wipe the non debian repos asap
12:52<djc>cryingtux, debiab-multimidea is ok
12:52<AzaTht>themill: hehe
12:52<djc>but it isnt 'part of debian'
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12:52<AzaTht>I don't know if we can call mplayer "bloated"
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12:53<AzaTht>and if, probably not in the "wrong" way at least
12:53<djc>obviously 'lenny and a half' is part of debian
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12:53<djc>alebit not 'released'
12:53<themill>lenny-proposed-updates isn't lennynhalf anyway
12:53<AzaTht>lenny½ allre3ady?
12:53<fxiny>is not part of debian because of this stupid world
12:53<cryingtux>so should not be enabled as i did?
12:53<themill>all sorts of crap will end up in lenny-proposed-updates that will never be released officially.
12:53<djc>actually, does that even exist?
12:53<AzaTht>I though there wouldn't be any more "and-half" after lenny
12:53<djc>id probably not include it
12:54<djc>if you want *only* debian, use what I msg'ed you. leave that at the top of your sources.list
12:54<themill>AzaTht: there will be, that's one of the reasons behind the new numbering scheme for point releases
12:54<AzaTht>hmm
12:54<djc>then if there are other stuff like dmm, add it below
12:55<cryingtux>djc: yes im doing that, wiping out the rest
12:55<djc>I will note, what I msged you is not the full content of my list.. I included only the parts that were 'part of debian'
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12:55<themill>AzaTht: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/02/msg00003.html
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12:56<sylar>anyone use drbd?
12:56<noumaan>is there a different chat room for localization help?
12:56<enouf>themill: re: iceweasel +flash == mplayer? i think not :-)
12:56<djc>cryingtux, if you are running a gui, I'd suggest searching for software in synaptic
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12:56<enouf>themill: ie: amount of disk space != usefulness ;-)
12:57<themill>enouf: aptitude install iceweasel+flash == 108MB disk space, aptitude install mplayer == 98 MB disk space.
12:57<djc>if you have debian stock gnome, its under 'system -> administration -> synaptic package manager'
12:57<themill>enouf: iceweasel can do things other than play movies, hence more useful than mplayer
12:57<cryingtux>there is "pytube" but i dont think it is there in repos
12:57*themill hides
12:57<AzaTht>themill: size doesn't matter
12:57<enouf>and .. GBs are much cheaper than any other upgrade ;-)
12:57<cryingtux>it has a gui + convert media formats
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12:57<enouf>themill: you must be joking
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12:57<djc>there is nothing called 'pytube' that is part of debian lenny
12:57<enouf>mplayer only plays movies? lmao
12:57<AzaTht>themill: mplayer can do things other than play movies
12:58<themill>can it browse lolcats?
12:58<djc>dont google for debian software, search in debian repositories.. probably the easiest way to do that is use synaptic
12:58<enouf>themill: if it could, it wouldn't need a Plugin, nor an extension .. but can iceweasel encode/transcode/demux ? :-P
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12:58<djc>there *might* be occasions where someone who knows exactly what they are doing, might install software from somewhere else. But generally, if you need to ask for help, you probably shouldnt be doing that
12:59<themill>enouf: hehe
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12:59<cryingtux>djc: all sounds ok to be wiped except "remastersys" since i always made back up dvd of my installed system and apparently remastersys doesnt harm my system in any way
12:59<djc>GB's are cheap
12:59<djc> 9.2G 3.4G 5.4G 39% /usr
12:59*enouf is feeling inspired for some odd reason
13:00<bugsbunny>remastersys is fine.
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13:00<enouf> /dev/hdd1 ext3 8.0G 5.8G 1.8G 77% /
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13:00<djc>cryingtux, im not sure what that is, but its not really the best way to do backups.. better to save everything under /home, and /etc. and keep a lenny install CD handy
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13:00<yajohny>hi all
13:01<cryingtux>djc and everyone here, indeed it was really a help more than i was expecting
13:01<enouf>cryingtux: i have a url that shows you how to make backups to encrypted DVDs :-p and likely you can span them too ;-)
13:01<AzaTht>enouf: there is one problem with mplayer; it is way too difficult to understand the code
13:01<djc>then in case of distaster, secure backups of /home and /etc, wipe HDD, reinstall, then put /home back, and then reconfigure using files from /etc backup as reference, where needed
13:01<cryingtux>enouf: sure, would like to see it please
13:01<djc>enouf, hey I might want to use that for data backups..
13:01<enouf>AzaTht: there is no code .. it's basically shell scripting, and IINM, the original poster asked for a CLI tool ?
13:02<djc>enouf, nyah : 268G 59G 196G 24% /home
13:02<enouf>http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/backups.html
13:02<djc>actually..
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13:02<kernel_rec>Hello Guys, im thinking to recompile my kernel (Squeeze-AMD64, Radeon X1200), to take a better performace. What do you say about it? It compensates?
13:02<AzaTht>enouf: was joking
13:02<cryingtux>enouf: thanks
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13:03<noumaan> I am trying to install ur_PK locale. I have run dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected ur_PK there but when I login back I dont see it listed in languages
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13:03<themill>noumaan: listed where?
13:03<AzaTht>kernel_rec: it all depends how good you are
13:03<bugsbunny>remastersys was originally created for 'bunti. But the developer then made a package specifically to be compatible with Debian. He was posting on debian forums and asking for help in testing it
13:03<djc>ugh.. how does one tell ssh to remove a partitular known_host key
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13:03<noumaan>themill, login at the GDM where one can select from languages
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13:04<AzaTht>djc: sed -i NNd ~/.ssh/known_hosts
13:04<djc>one has changed, legitimately, and known_hosts is encrypted now.. I know there ...
13:04<djc>than k you
13:04<enouf>and google scdbackup and shunt .. though i'm not sure they're maintained, nor if both can use DVDs or CDs only6
13:04<djc>er
13:04<djc>what?
13:04<themill>noumaan: there's probably a gnome package that you need to install to have those translations installed
13:04<guillaume_>hi, I use unstable and since some days have problems with it, is-it linked to the migration in progress ?
13:04<djc>known_hosts no longer has the hostname
13:04<AzaTht>djc: that I doo all the time
13:04<AzaTht>hmm
13:04<enouf>AzaTht: heh ..
13:04<kernel_rec>i want to say: Ill get better performace? it will tose some data? if i dont like it, ill boot my old kernel like i never tried to make a new one? (im thinking on 2.6.29)
13:04<djc>its crypted
13:04<noumaan>themill, can you please tell me which package? and I am not using gnome I am using xfce
13:05<djc>ssh has a way of manipulating it.. im browsing man ssh but its quite long
13:05<cryingtux>bugsbunny: it works amazing on debian, i was on email contact with the deveopler and when it was released i tested it on my lenny and worked fine and since that im using is regularly
13:05<kernel_rec>If i recompile it, i will can use aptitude normally?
13:05<AzaTht>djc: when I got problem with known_hosts I just remove the affected line
13:06<bugsbunny>You may not see better performance perse. Depends on the system. You can end up with a slimmer kernel. And you'll get internal bug fixes/enhancements. But if you expect to see a huge system boosr it's unlikely
13:06<cryingtux>atm my lenny is running via live session made with remastersys
13:06<djc>AzaTht, yes, I used to do that as well.. the problem is that as of some recent version of ssh, there is no way to know which is the affected line - the remote hostname is no longer stored in plaintext
13:06<AzaTht>hmm
13:06<AzaTht>doesn't it tell you the line number when it is complaining?
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13:06<Vanished>hi
13:07<Vanished>how to read a fil .iso without burning please
13:07<AzaTht>Vanished: mount it
13:07<djc>uhm.. no.. i never heard of it doing that
13:07<themill>noumaan: no idea. Alternatively, it might not be translated at all.
13:07<AzaTht>djc: hmm
13:07<djc>!loop
13:07<dpkg>loops are BAD!
13:07<djc>!loopmount
13:07<themill>!mount iso
13:07<dpkg>it has been said that iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
13:07<Vanished>thank you
13:08<noumaan>themill, actually I have translations that I have copy pasted in /usr/share/locale/ur folder
13:08<kernel_rec>so, if i recompile it, ill can use dpkg, aptitude and other things normally? can have a bug?
13:08<noumaan>themill, I am asked by translators to help them by testing their translations on Debian they are translating it on Ubuntu
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13:08<enouf>!info bootcd
13:08<kernel_rec>(have a bug even the compiling was well)
13:09<AzaTht>djc: what exactly is your problem then?
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13:09<themill>noumaan: "apt-file search usr/share/locale/ur" might be a useful command for you to see what else is shipped by debian then
13:09<djc>AzaTht, oh wait.. its not host key changed
13:09<djc>hrm
13:09<AzaTht>if you don't get any such output, then I don't understand what your problem with known_hosts is
13:09<AzaTht>ah
13:09<djc>ok, wait, it is
13:09<djc>sshing from different origin
13:09<AzaTht>ok
13:10<noumaan>themill, apt-file command not found
13:10<bugsbunny>open it with isomaster, or even archive manager. Ot you can mount it with fuseiso
13:10<themill>dpkg: tell noumaan about apt-file
13:10<djc>wtf
13:10<themill>djc, AzaTht: "ssh-keygen -R" to remove the host key from your known hosts
13:10<enouf>Vanished: man isoinfo for some info about it - ex; isoinfo -d -i filename.iso (add dev=/dev/cdrom and remove the -i filename.iso if it's already burned to optical media)
13:10<djc>yeah ive solved that problem now.. now apparently teres some other problem
13:11<djc>remote problem, not mine
13:11<enouf>then there's Kiso :-p
13:11<AzaTht>djc: thinking about authorized_keys ?
13:11<enouf>themill: watch out for those big bloated behemoth browser addons!
13:11<kernel_rec>so, if i recompile kernel to 2.6.29, ill can use dpkg, aptitude and other things normally? can have a bug even i compile it well?
13:11*enouf hides
13:11<Vanished>yep thank you enouf I succeed thank to you all
13:11<enouf>np ;-)
13:12<AzaTht>dpkg: what can apt-file do?
13:12<dpkg>AzaTht: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
13:12<djc>well, either my account has been deleted or my pass has been changed, or the accounts for the group I was in are somewhere else
13:12<djc>sigh
13:12<AzaTht>:-P
13:12<AzaTht>dpkg: tell me about apt-file
13:12<enouf>AzaTht: /msg dpkg apt-file
13:12<AzaTht>enouf: true, sorry
13:12<fxiny>djc: removing a host from known_hosts ? ssh-keygen -R host.name
13:12<enouf>it searches the mirrors for files you want to locate within pkgs not yet installed
13:13<AzaTht>enouf: though "me" was the same as "us"
13:13<enouf>AzaTht: /msg dpkg search eludes to it as well ;-)
13:13<enouf>heh
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13:13<bugsbunny>@kernel_rec. Yes you can use everything normally. If it compiles clean you should have no problems - unless you dropped something the system needs. Just be careful when configuringing it and don't try to remove too much too quickly. Read the help on each option before deciding what you want to do with it.
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13:14<djc>AzaTht, no, it was a known_hosts problem. ive solved that.. but now I cant login by password
13:14<enouf>Vanished: even "file filename.iso" will give you basic header info about it
13:14<AzaTht>djc: ah
13:15<kernel_rec>thanks bugsbunny , ill do it!
13:15<kernel_rec>bye
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13:16<fxiny>disktype filename.iso
13:16<enouf>oh well .. bugsbunny scared the kernel away :-P
13:16<ranix>sigh
13:16*enouf was going to mention something about make deb-pkg, but oh well
13:16<ranix>what would I even do without awk
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13:17*enouf really needs to learn sed and awk much better .. sigh
13:17<ranix>I am here printing invoices to a plain text / file driver so I can process the nonsense with awk
13:17<enouf>hehe
13:17<gravity>just use perl instead
13:17<enouf>or tr?
13:17<ranix>because quickbooks enterprise whatever $50,000 bullshit can't do a database dump
13:17<ranix>awk is better
13:17<djc>ok.. the account isnt deleted.. I just cant login
13:18<ranix>well awk is more correct for this application anyway
13:18<enouf>haha .. Frameworks and Enterprise software .. gotta love it
13:18<ranix>it's still a fucked up thing to have to do
13:18<enouf>djc: why not? ssh -vvv ?
13:18<djc>ranix, I hope you are doing that as a path to migrate away from locked-in proprietary 50,000 crap
13:18<gravity>I find that use awk so infrequently that I forget it, although I do like it better for match 'n execute software
13:19<ranix>after this some other poor slob has to compare all the zip codes I get to a list
13:19<ranix>djc: unfortunately not
13:19<djc>just getting permission denient
13:19<gravity>My perl-fu isn't good enough to beat that yet
13:19<djc>denied
13:19<cryingtux>ranix: i like your way of talking :)
13:19<djc>so either they locked me out intentionally, or maybe they are doing server maintenance, or.. I dunno
13:19<enouf>gravity: since you're about; is there something broken (autodetecting refresh rates and modelines?) with the intel Xorg driver in version 1.6.x ?
13:20<gravity>enouf: Shouldn't be.
13:20<gravity>enouf: What exactly is the bug?
13:20<enouf>gravity: ok .. some sap was here much earlier whining about his craptop .. no worries
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13:20<gravity>hrm, ok
13:21<ranix>oh did I mention Quickbooks 2009 Enterprise stack overflows when you print more than 1600 invoices at once?
13:21<ranix>glrblfds
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13:22<enouf>gravity: he said the modelines were correctly detected in new 1.6 according to Xorg.0.log and everything worked fine in Xorg 1.4.x and yet; when we told him to add monitor refresh rate ranges (in xorg.conf, which he also uses) ... reply was; but i never had to before
13:22<cryingtux>djc:
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13:23<enouf>gravity: but anyways ... i'd look through my scrollback and find pertinent info if it hasn't fallen off my buffer if needed - oh, i also mentioned; "well you should be following the debian-x mailing list then" ;-)
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13:24<ranix>enouf: the thread of conversation on those mailing lists is a little tough for even me to keep up with most of the time
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13:25<onime>hello everyone
13:25<gravity>enouf: If there's a regression like that it's fine to have him file a bug using reportbug.
13:25<enouf>ranix: you think that's rough .. try following lkml.org threads ... the actual web code is so fucken broken i break down in tears when i try
13:25<cryingtux>wanted to thank you and everyone who helped me here, would be coming here again if i face any problems
13:25<onime>I have a little problem with live-helper
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13:26<enouf>gravity: sure .. i'll pastebin what was mentioned - it's still here .. way up there ...
13:26<gravity>enouf: Regressions like that shouldn't happen, and if they're planned we should be documenting them in NEWS.Debian anyway, so there's a valid bug
13:26<enouf>it was 1.6.1 version
13:26<onime>I run lh_config && lh_build
13:26<gravity>enouf: No worries, if we can't get the guy with the bug to report it then it's not likely to get fixed
13:26<gravity>It's hard enough fixing these things when we can contact them
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13:26<onime>and after un time I have the error mkdir: ne peut créer le répertoire `': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
13:27<onime>Could someone help me ?
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13:28<enouf>gravity: <t23> is the one with the issue ; http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m2ce8cf56
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13:29<panthera>onime: first, you'd better join #debian-live; second, make sure you've read *all* of
13:29<panthera>onime: the following page:
13:29<onime>ok thx I try
13:29<panthera>onime: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/bugs.html
13:29<kurumin>alguém aqui conhece o the vampyre?
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13:32<gravity>enouf: Yeah, there's not much we can do for that without his server log
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13:35<enouf>gravity: ok - thanks - just thought i'd pass on any possible useful info ... and i think we did the best we could here with what info he gave us ...
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13:35<djc>there.. email sent on that
13:35<djc>Hopefully they wont ask me who I am or why I have an account
13:35<djc>:P
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13:36<djc>Since, while I've had an account there for over eight years, its been ages since I actually did any of the volunteer work I was orignally given the account for ;)
13:37-!-cryingtux [~cryingtux@119.153.55.127] has joined #debian
13:37<djc>And I think esr (which I originally communicated with to get the account there in the first place) moved on quite a while ago
13:38<gravity>enouf: Sure, thank you
13:38<enouf>ranix: i've tried 3 different browsers that i have installed, and none display the threading properly - especially after jumping to next post - it turns into a whole new page/thread .. tangential crap ..
13:38<djc>(Yes *that* esr)
13:38<enouf>(lkml.org that is)
13:38<cryingtux>one last question please: backports should only be used when and if needed and not regularly?
13:38<djc>right
13:38<djc>in fact I think aptitude and synaptic automatically 'disable' all the packages in backports, you have to specifically enable them
13:38<cryingtux>djc: thanks, so i keep them but unchecked
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13:39<enouf>the best i've found is to follow the threads later from gmane.org .. and even that one has some mild issues, but not nearly as broken as lkml.org
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13:39<enouf>gravity: np ;-)
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13:39<djc>cryingtux, again, look in repos first (eg synaptic) when looking for software. unless there is some absolutely vital featuer you need in a newer version, stcik with the release version
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13:40<djc>and while it doesnt hurt to use google to identify software that might do waht you want (eg finding a post where someone says "Zyx" works great for blah...)
13:40<djc>if you find a post like that, look for Zyx in repos (synaptic) rather than using any links given in the post
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13:40<cryingtux>djc: sure, will do that, no lenny and half, no backports,no volatile packages on stable lenny
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13:41<djc>and if you cant find a debian version of that software, id suggest trying to find different software that is in debian
13:41<djc>instead of trying to install that manually
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13:41<djc>for any 'that'
13:42<cryingtux>thats what im gonna do, world is not going to be doomed if i cant find a package in synaptic
13:42<djc>it might not hurt, if you were trying to find something to accomplish a particular task, to opo in here with "Does anyone know if there is any program that does (xxxxx)"
13:42<djc>s/opo/pop
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13:42<cryingtux>stay away from all manual and unstable repos etc
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13:42<djc>untill yer an expert, at least ;)
13:43<djc>and no, theres no objective way to measure that
13:43<cryingtux>all i want is a "stable" system for my home use, im not using debian or in that case linux to run mars expedition program :)
13:43<djc>although "being able to do it and make it work properly without asking anyone for help" might be one
13:43<djc>right.. stick with lenny
13:44<cryingtux>im sweeping the bla blah repos now, keep them clean and simple
13:44<bugsbunny>Well not expert maybe. But at least familiar with how everything works and have the ability to extricate yourself from a situation. eg - manually fix a busted install process.
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13:55<dragos>hello
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13:56<dragos>I am having an issue with lenny, it goes to busybox. Can anyone help me>
13:57<dragos>I'm trying to boot into a usb
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13:57<djc>"boot into a usb".. cannot grok
13:57<djc>you are trying to boot *from* a usb key to install?
13:58<dragos>no
13:58<djc>then what?
13:58<dragos>i installed lenny via a cd to my 32gb usb
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13:58<djc>a usb hard drive.. ok
13:58<djc>so you are trying to boot an installed debian system from a usb drive
13:59<dragos>yes
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13:59<djc>so grub comes up?
13:59<djc>and load the kernel..
13:59<dragos>yes
13:59<djc>and, what, the kernel cant find the rootfs?
13:59<dragos>it loads fine
14:00<dragos>but
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14:00<dragos>when it loads, it displays some messages
14:00<dragos>not grub errors
14:00<ranix>whoa, messages?
14:00<ranix>omg
14:00<ranix>that's bad, man
14:00<djc>thats both vague, and normal ;)
14:00<djc>hundreds of messages scroll past when I boot up ;)
14:00<ranix>djc: whooooa
14:00<djc>ranix, thpthpthp
14:01<dragos>check root=bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or misssing module
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14:01<aaron>my power went out for two seconds today and now the "Applications" "Places" "System" menus are gone. I have to open a failsafe terminal session access the web and irc. Any ideas how to get my menus back?
14:01<dragos>ALERT! does not exist dopping to a shell
14:01<dragos>those are the messages
14:01<djc>dragos, is that verbatim?
14:02<dragos>verbatim? elaborate.
14:02<djc>is that exactly what it said, letter for letter
14:02<ranix>dragos: what are your kernel arguments
14:02<dragos>yes it is
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14:02<dragos>in grub?
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14:02<ranix>dragos: you can press 'e' to see them in grub
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14:02<dragos>i know
14:02<ranix>pasting that whole line is a good idea
14:03<dragos>uhh... kernel -vmlinuz file-
14:03<dragos>actually
14:03<drzel>anybody know how to get an unspecified matching field in awk?
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14:03<ranix>root=foo is what I'm looking for
14:03<dragos>root (hd0,0)
14:03<dragos>kernel (kernel path)
14:03<ranix>what about the kernel itself, what's its root argument
14:04<dragos>initrd (initrd image)
14:04<dragos>uh
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14:04<dragos>its
14:04<dragos>hold on
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14:04<dragos>im going to check menu.lst
14:04<ranix>ok
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14:04<drzel>any awk specialists here?
14:05<ranix>I have been using awk for a couple days
14:05<ranix>what is it dragos
14:05<ranix>ehr
14:05<ranix>drzel:
14:05<dragos>ok
14:05<drzel>i want to know which field matched the search exp
14:05<dragos>I have a c&p ver
14:05<dragos>default=0
14:05<dragos>timeout=1
14:05<dragos>root=(hd0,0)
14:05<dragos>title Debian Lenny
14:05<dragos>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486
14:05-!-dragos was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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14:05<ranix>/exp/ { action }
14:05<ranix>will execute for each matching line ON each matching line
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14:06<dragos>okay
14:06<drzel>echo $(awk -F";" '/'BGB'/ {print ????}' "$datei")
14:06<dragos>sorry i got kicked
14:06<drzel>??? should be the field which matches
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14:06<dragos>did you recieve that?
14:06<ranix>drzel: no that will print the line that matches
14:06<ranix>drzel: use pastebin
14:06<ranix>alsdfjad
14:06<ranix>dragos: use pastebin
14:07<dragos>default=0
14:07<dragos>timeout=1
14:07<drzel>isnt it possible in awk to get the matching field??!
14:07<dragos>root=(hd0,0)
14:07<ranix>drzel: use a for loop
14:07<dragos>im sorry, what?
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14:08<drzel>k thx ill try that
14:08<dragos>loop as in mount /dev/whatever -o loop0?
14:08<ranix>drzel: i=0; if ( $(i) /BZB/ ) {blah; i++}
14:08<djc>dragos, the loop bit was to drzel
14:08<ranix>while i <= NF
14:09<dragos>ohhhh
14:09<dragos>thank you for clarifying
14:09<dragos>what should i do for you to help me here
14:09<fxiny>drzel: you mean { print $1,$2 ... ?
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14:09<dragos>and what is pastebin
14:09<djc>dragos, wait for ranix
14:09<actatux>hi
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14:09<dragos>okay
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14:09<ranix>fxiny: he only wants to print a field if the regex matches
14:10<drzel>fxiny no only the matching field, kind of $MATCHINGFIELD
14:10<ranix>dragos: I'm sorry did you manage to pastebin your kernel parameters
14:10<ranix>dragos: I'm trying to awk a print dump here and it's driving me nuts
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14:10<dragos>no, i don't know what pastebin is
14:11<ranix>!paste
14:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
14:11<ranix>dpkg: ?
14:11<dpkg>ranix: no idea
14:11<dragos>is that an irc command
14:11<dragos>im sorry
14:11<ranix>wtf dpkg
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14:11<dragos>ohh
14:12<dragos>hold on, i am going to paste 2 lines from my menu.lst
14:12<dragos>default=0
14:12<dragos>timeout=1
14:13<dragos>root=(hd0,0)
14:13<dragos>title Debian Lenny
14:13<petern>why
14:13<drzel>ranix: thx thatll do...
14:13<petern>why do you keep pasting exactly those lines again and again?
14:13-!-mimmu [~mimmu@62.65.221.148.cable.starman.ee] has joined #debian
14:13<petern>please stop
14:13<ranix>lol dragos
14:13<dragos>sorry
14:13<dragos>i thought i needed to paste them
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14:14<petern>and also try reading what other people have written
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14:14<dragos>okay
14:14<dragos>I just am confused
14:14-!-themill [~stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:14<djc>instead of pasting multiple lines of test into an irc channel, instead use whats called a 'pastebin'.
14:14<dragos>okay
14:14<djc>basically, its a website where you can paste stuff. then it gives you a short url that you can paste into the channel, that lets people look at what you pasted
14:15<djc>pastebin.com is the one I use
14:15<ranix>paste.debian.net is also one
14:15<ranix>it keeps confusion minimal
14:15<dragos>okay
14:15<dragos>do I connect to that?
14:15<djc>you go t it in a web browser
14:16<djc>http://paste.debian.net/
14:16<dragos>okay
14:16<djc>its a website
14:16<dragos>i get it now
14:16<ranix>djc: I think dragos is in a brave new world
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14:16<djc>indeed
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14:16<dragos>I guess
14:16<dragos>be right back
14:16<djc>you dont have to quit irc
14:16<dragos>i know
14:16<dragos>Ill just be idling
14:17<djc>you really dont need to announce that ;)
14:17<ranix>I picture him at the computer, all screen radiation blasting by his head at 60mph
14:17<ranix>hair all swept back by the wind
14:17<dragos>true
14:17*djc glances at the several hundred idling channel members
14:17<ranix>holding onto the mouse for life
14:17<dragos>hahaha
14:17<ranix>all 'aaaaahhhhhh'
14:18<dragos>I sent it to the pastebin
14:18<dragos>what now?
14:19<ranix>paste a link to it
14:19<dragos>http://paste.debian.net/34078/
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14:19<ranix>good job
14:19<bja>Ok guys, for what I've been reading the last couple of minutes, I'll bet that the kernel djc is trying to boot is partially installed and therefore he just gets droped to an ash shell!!
14:19<dragos>ohh thats usefull
14:19<djc>er.. not me
14:19<kurumin>mozart
14:19<jthomas>i have an /etc/aliases entry for 'root' to send to my username, but its failing and so emails to root@domain.com that I am set up on, goes to the real root@domain.com which is all of the IT staff, and i only want it to go to me. How can i get this to work?
14:19<djc>my kernel is alive and humming along happily
14:20<fxiny>drzel: awk -F"," '/'aaa'/ {print $2=12}' file.txt where file.txt is aaa,12 . is it ok ?
14:20<kurumin>.
14:20<fxiny>it prints 12
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14:20<djc>jthomas, add a full email address there instead of just a username?
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14:20<jthomas>i'll try it; for which side?
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14:20<djc>root: youremail@address.com
14:21<jthomas>it is that.
14:21<djc>then something is borked with the MTA
14:21<ranix>dragos: is the USB drive the only block device plugged into the computer, or do you also have a CD drive or flash drive or hard drive?
14:21<jthomas>:q!
14:21<dragos>I have a hard drive, and a flash drive,
14:21<dragos>but no cd because im on a newbook
14:21<fxiny>drzel: no .is not ok
14:21<dragos>but no cd because im on a netbook
14:22<dragos>misspelling
14:22<bja> dragos: fdisk -l run as root will tell you every block device on your hardware (well almost every)
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14:22<dragos>okay i will
14:23<ranix>dragos: was that the content of /boot/grub/menu.lst?
14:23<dragos>the pastebin link? Yes
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14:23<actatux>why initrd= ?
14:23<ranix>dragos: that is a very odd menu.lst
14:24<ranix>something looks wrong
14:24<jthomas>djc how should exim4 be setup?
14:24<dragos>really? what is wrong
14:24<ranix>my kernel uses a root=/dev/sda0 style argument
14:24<ranix>to tell it where to load the root filesystem from
14:24<ranix>yours seems to not have that
14:24<dragos>oh yeah, i forgot that
14:24<dragos>*sweatdrop*
14:25<djc>jthomas, uhm.. if you are running an actual mailserver which MX records point at, by someone who fully understands how to configure it
14:25<ranix>I know how to configure exim4!
14:25<dragos>wait would kernel kernelname rot=UUID=uuid work?
14:25<dragos>or does it have to be a block device
14:26<ranix>dragos: I don't know what you're talking about anymore
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14:26<ranix>I think our realities have diverged
14:26<dragos>oh
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14:26<bja>dragos: yes it will work, but you have to get de UUID thats how i have it working
14:26<dragos>of cource I
14:26<dragos>of cource Ill see if i can get the uuid by blkid
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14:27<dragos>nope :( then i'll look in the fstab
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14:29<dragos>the block /dev/sdb2 seems to be the lenny filesystem. Thank you all!
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14:29<dragos>:)
14:29<dragos>I think it
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14:29<bja> ls /dev/disk/by-uuid
14:29<ranix>gj dragos
14:29<dragos>:)
14:29<dragos>bye
14:29<bja> dragos cought that one??
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14:31<chris>Hi everyone, I just installed Debian 5.0 on fresh formatted disk (using installation tool) and iceweasel and now firefox are very very slow to access google. Is it just me or a know bug? I'm using Ubuntu on a laptop on the same connection and i have no problem. Does anoyone have an idea ? (installing a firefox add on il aslo very slow)
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14:33<locklace>chris: is wget slow too?
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14:34<Nemoder>chris: is it just the DNS that's slow? http://209.85.173.104/
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14:35<chris>wget is ok (2009-04-21 20:34:59 (540 KB/s) - `Firefox Setup 3.0.8.exe' saved [7518920/7518920])
14:35<chris>your link shows the page directly
14:35-!-erKURITA [~erkurita@cm99231.red91-117.mundo-r.com] has joined #debian
14:35<chris>but search is very slow
14:35-!-mtc [~mmm@pool-71-168-124-11.cncdnh.fios.myfairpoint.net] has joined #debian
14:36<actatux>and other websites ?
14:36<Nemoder>chris: it might be trying to use ipv6 for DNS and timing out then reverting to ipv4
14:36<actatux>search on yahoo ?
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14:36<locklace>chris: what state is the browser in when it's paused, according to the status line?
14:36<chris>other websites are ok,
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14:37<jthomas>djc this isn't our mailserver at all, I just want it to send out mail from my box, to my real email address. if set it up as a real server or as a smarthost, either way it ignores the aliases file. ranix any suggestions for me?
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14:37<chris>yahoo search is ok
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14:37<djc>jthomas, if it isnt your mailserver, and it isnt working right, i'd suggest you contact whoever's server it is
14:38<chris>locklace, connecting to www.google.com
14:38<jthomas>its my desktop.
14:38<chris>... *
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14:39<locklace>chris: "Connecting ..." means DNS resolution is done but the TCP connection hasn't been established yet. if it's fine for other sites, probably a problem with the particular google server you happen to be hitting, try a few others
14:39<chris>and search using the IP given by Nemoder isn't working (connecting to google)
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14:39<jthomas>i want my desktop to send mail, djc. i could care less if it goes through our mailserver or not, i just want it to redirect root@domain.com to jthomas@domain.com . But its not doing that, and it is sending to the real mailserver and then root@domain.com goes to all us in Tech, and i don't want that.
14:39<Nemoder>chris: sounds like a bad route between you and one of google's servers, try using traceroute www.google.com
14:39<chris>how to change the server? Not related to my internet conection?
14:40<chris>other computers on my network (Ubuntu, XP, Vista) are working well
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14:41<locklace>chris: try e.g. 209.85.229.99, 209.85.229.103, 209.85.229.104
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14:42<chris>Okay it works with the last IP
14:42<djc>you mean mail that *you* send locally?
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14:42<djc>your desktop can forward mail for root@domain.com if it isnt the server for domain.com
14:42<djc>er
14:42<djc>cant
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14:42<djc>if you want to forward root@domain.com somewhere, you need to do that in the alias file on the server that handles domain.com
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14:43<chris>Nemoder, traceroute ends, what am I supposed to see with the result?
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14:43<sun>hi in audacious, i would like to be able to find files in the playlist, so i type 'j' which brings up the search dialog. but it only searches on song titles, not on the pathname, whereas i have performers' names in the pathname. is there a way to get audacious to search the song title *and* the path info (like xmms used to do?)
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14:44<Nemoder>chris: you can compare the response times to see where the connection goes bad
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14:44<locklace>chris: anyway, the problem isn't at your end, all you can do is specify a different IP address for now and hope they take the bad server out of the DNS rotation soon
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14:45<chris>all times are between 60ms and 90 ms but not the first
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14:45<Nemoder>but yes if it's just google that is slow then there's nothing you can do
14:45<chris>Okay
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14:45<chris>but how other computers can work very well and not this one?
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14:46<Nemoder>chris: google.com is on a round robin DNS, it randomly picks a different IP when you connect
14:46<chris>Okay
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14:47<chris>And do you think mozilla add ons installation can be related to that? because it is very very slow too
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14:48<xanti>hello
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14:59<ml>!hi
14:59<dpkg>hello, ml
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15:00<wamty>Hello. anyone can help please?
15:00<ml>!ask
15:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
15:01<wamty>I created in /etc/cron.allow
15:01<wamty>then I did echo root > /etc/cron.allow
15:01<wamty>what Im trying to do is dummy command to execute every * 20 *** root /bin/echo "test" >> /tmp/crontesting
15:01<wamty>howeever, cron is not there
15:02<wamty>cron is not running command that I give
15:02<wamty>can anyone help me fix this please? it's very strange
15:03<ml>!tell wamty -about cron
15:03<wamty>I've read it ml
15:03<wamty>and I did it correctlt
15:03<wamty>however cron is not doing my command
15:04<Rimaille>wamty, you misses spaces between wildcards
15:04<wamty>how so?
15:05<wamty>will that make it not runnning?
15:05<chris>* 20 * * * root /bin/echo "test" >> /tmp/crontesting
15:05<petern>* 20 * * *
15:05<Rimaille>* 20 *** root /bin/echo "test" >> /tmp/crontesting is bad, no spaces
15:05<wamty>When I go to go to System - Administration - Services
15:05<wamty>I don't see any cron there
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15:06<Rimaille>and you places 'root' before your command, it's incoorect
15:06<wamty>What would be the correct way please sir?
15:07<Rimaille>read the manual carrefully, it's not difficult, you can find many correct way in google
15:07<wamty>please ive been on this since morning
15:08<Rimaille>?!
15:08<wamty>really its been like 7 hours
15:08<gunavara>djc,
15:08<wamty>When I go to go to System - Administration - Services
15:08<wamty>I dont see any cron there
15:08<gunavara>i fixed everything from yesterday's mail server thingies :)
15:08<dondelelcaro>wamty: man 5 crontab; for details
15:08<Rimaille>okay, what do you want to do exactly ? write it in english
15:08<wamty>dondelelcaro, I know sir
15:08<dondelelcaro>wamty: the username is only present in system-wide crontabs, not user crontabs.
15:08<wamty>dondelelcaro, however, I read it, and I followed the bot's link
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15:09<wamty>dondelelcaro, Sir, how can I make it work?
15:09<djc>gunavara, yesterday? I don't remember this morning.. forget yesterday
15:09<dondelelcaro>wamty: so you're trying to have a cron script that runs every 5 minutes as root?
15:09<wamty>what am I missing jere?
15:09<gunavara>haha nice :D
15:09<gunavara>stop the alcohol then !
15:09<gunavara>:P
15:09*djc doesnt drink
15:09<gunavara>ya right...
15:09<gunavara>:)
15:09<wamty>dondelelcaro, no, every night as root
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15:10<djc>ok, let me revise that.. I dont remember what people in this channel wanted help with.
15:10<djc>starting about 20 minutes after they've left
15:10<ml>heh
15:10<dondelelcaro>wamty: so crontab -e; as root, then add a '4 4 * * * commands that you want run' line to the file that crontab -e will begin editing
15:10<djc>some of it is just too insane, and ive got enough of my own stuff to keep track off
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15:11<djc>wamty, and leave out arguments.. If you want "echo test > /tmp/testing".. put *that* in a script, and then put the name of the script in the crontab
15:11<djc>for instance
15:12<djc>echo "/bin/date >> /tmp/croncheck>" > /usr/local/bin/croncheck
15:12<djc>then put /usr/local/bin/croncheck in crontab as what to run
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15:12<djc>er
15:13<djc>echo "/bin/date >> /tmp/croncheck" > /usr/local/bin/croncheck
15:13<djc>revised, it had an extra ">"
15:13<wamty>dondelelcaro, Done sir. Still not working
15:13<djc>also, if you use that, be sure to remove it after a day or two
15:13<dondelelcaro>wamty: so what does crontab -l; output?
15:13<djc>becuase it will append to the /tmp/croncheck file
15:13<djc>left running, it will fill up the partition that /tmp is on
15:13<djc>eventually
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15:14<djc>!tell wamty about pastebin
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15:15<wamty>dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/vucAdE54.html
15:16<dondelelcaro>wamty: and that's the output of crontab -l? or what?
15:16<wamty>yes
15:16<djc>oh lord he's edited /etc/crontab
15:16<djc>oh
15:16<djc>or
15:16<djc>copied it
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15:17<dondelelcaro>wamty: uh... that's certainly not what crontab -l; should be outputing.
15:17<dondelelcaro>wamty: you should have exactly *one* line, with * 21 * * * root /bin/echo "hi" >> /tmp/crontesting
15:17<dondelelcaro>wamty: you should have exactly *one* line, with * 21 * * * /bin/echo "hi" >> /tmp/crontesting
15:17<djc>wamty, are you editing /etc/crontab? or using "crontab -e" ?
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15:17<djc>becuase those are two different beasts
15:17<djc>dont edit /etc/crontab
15:18<wamty>crontab -e
15:18<wamty>nano default
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15:18<wamty>dondelelcaro, its crontab -l
15:18<djc>dondelelcaro, you might want to suggest he put a file in /etc/cron.daily instead
15:18<djc>wamty, what does 'cat /etc/crontab' give you?
15:18<djc>/etc/crontab is a system cron file - dont edit it
15:18<djc>indivdual user's crontabs are managed by the 'crontab' command
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15:19<petemc>not to muddy the waters, but you're free to edit /etc/crontab
15:19<djc>dondelelcaro, ugh, I gotta go.. i'm gonna let you finish with him.. note that you can't have spaces in the 'command' part of a crontab
15:19<djc>petemc, not if you are as confused as wamty is
15:19<dondelelcaro>djc: actually, that's wrong.
15:19<dondelelcaro>djc: you can have spaces in the command.
15:20<djc>hrm.
15:20<dondelelcaro>wamty: then if it's crontab -l; run crontab -e; and edit root's crontab so that it only has a single line that I said it should have, then give us the output of crontab -l;
15:20<wamty>ok with cat /etc/crontab
15:20<djc>well.. you didnt used to be able to
15:20<djc>call me old fashioned
15:20<dondelelcaro>djc: you've always been able to.
15:20<djc>well maybe I had some bad info then
15:20<wamty>I did cat /etc/contrb
15:20<djc>its still a bad idea
15:20<dondelelcaro>djc: uh, no, it's the only way to specify options.
15:20<wamty>only first like is different with that
15:21<wamty>I get: #09 10 * * * root sh /home/oracle/so/utils/RUN_DBExport.sh
15:21<djc>dondelelcaro, I prefer to call a script and let the script handle options
15:21<dondelelcaro>djc: you can do that if you want, but cron isn't that limited
15:21<djc>dondelelcaro, ok
15:21<dondelelcaro>(it can even provide input on stdin)
15:21<dondelelcaro>(man 5 crontab; and read about what % does)
15:22<djc>dondelelcaro, ugh the normal /etc/crontab is in his root cron, and I dunno what that is in his /etc/crontab
15:22<wamty>dondelelcaro: crontab -l now has onyl this line * 21 * * * root /bin/echo "hi" >> /tmp/crontesting
15:22<djc>I gotta go.. good luck.. and I mean that ;)
15:22<dondelelcaro>wamty: there is no root.
15:22<dondelelcaro>wamty: just * 21 * * * /bin/echo "hi" >> /tmp/crontesting
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15:23<Rimaille>wamty, remove root and you're done
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15:23<wamty>ok Sir
15:23<djc>might want to help him fix his /etc/crontab
15:23<wamty>dondelelcaro: Done sir
15:24<Rimaille>wamty, wait a minute and your /tmp/crontesting will be filled
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15:24*wamty waits
15:24<dondelelcaro>wamty: assuming that your system is actually running in whatever timezone is at 21:00 now, the cron job should start working
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15:25<dondelelcaro>wamty: while you're waiting, man 5 crontab; and read about the difference between the system cron file, and a normal cron file.
15:25<dondelelcaro>(since you clearly haven't understood what you read previously)
15:25*wamty nods nods
15:25<wamty>its working Sir
15:25<wamty>Thank you so much
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15:25*wamty reads what mister dondelelcaro just told him
15:26<wamty>I will need root to export that database, I will try now :D
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15:28<Rimaille>dondelelcaro, i prefer using only the root crontab, with su - user -c 'script', instead of having to many crontab
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15:29<dondelelcaro>*shrug*
15:29<dave_>hi
15:29<dondelelcaro>there are many ways to do it
15:29<wamty>any last suggestion dondelelcaro ?
15:29<dondelelcaro>wamty: about what?
15:29<wamty>about this while thing? :)
15:30<wamty>whole*
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15:32<julioh>esas
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15:32<xanti>hello :) i have just installed debian on my powerbook, but every handbook or problem solution pages are obsolete. Anyone can help me please with few problems involving graphic card and airport please?
15:34<dondelelcaro>xanti: best to just ask your question here on #debianppc
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15:35<xanti>dondelelcaro, i've done, but no one answer on that chan
15:35<xanti>like no one are present
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15:35<dondelelcaro>xanti: people aren't always paying attention there; you just have to wait
15:35<dondelelcaro>xanti: but if you ask your question here, someone may answer too
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15:36<xanti>:) thanks dondelelcaro
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15:37<xanti>i've problems with audio fn key and with airport... i'm trying to solve it but quite often web pages speaks about 1
15:37<xanti>* about 2.4 series kernel
15:38<xanti>so i don't want to install software anymore, expecially if obsolete
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15:39<dondelelcaro>xanti: which model of powerbook?
15:39<dondelelcaro>xanti: and which airport card?
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15:39<xanti>G41,5 superdrive
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15:39<xanti>G4 @ 1,5Ghz - 512 - 15"
15:39<Rimaille>xanti http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/
15:40<dondelelcaro>xanti: so that'll work fine with the modern kernels, using the b43 driver. What's the problem with the audio fn key?
15:40<jakeriver>jeii
15:40<Rimaille>#debian channel on irc.debian.org is for general topics relating to Debian, and there is the #debianppc channel for topics specific to Debian on PowerPC processors
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15:42<xanti>thanks dondelelcaro. The problem seems to be with audio in general, but i noticed it using fn keys. In practice, when i move up or down the volume, the volume change irregulary, and irregulary relatively to left/right channels
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15:42<mimmu>Hello. I just installed lenny and usually I have a wireless network selector on the taskbar automatically but I cant remember what the package name is
15:42<dondelelcaro>xanti: see what alsamixer; reports, and balance the levels there if necessary.
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15:43<xanti>i'm going to do it dondelelcaro, thanks
15:43<dondelelcaro>xanti: assuming alsamixer reports the levels are balanced, then whatever you have responding to the Fn key events should also keep them balanced
15:43<EagleScreen>mimmu: it is network-manager
15:43<Rimaille>mimmu, i use wicd
15:43<EagleScreen>network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde applets, it depends on your desktop enviroment
15:44<EagleScreen>wicd is an alternative to network-manager
15:44<Rimaille>and if you have a netbook has i have, wicd is a great alternative : no heavy dependances
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15:46<mimmu>Thanks, my laptop will do just fine with network-manager, that was what I wanted
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15:46<xanti>in facts... dondelelcaro alsamixer channels are locked (it mean that they move together)
15:46<mimmu>Last time I tried wicd it didnt work very well but that was quite a while ago so maybe it is better now
15:46<xanti>i'm trying with a .mp3 file... probably browser plugin may not work properly
15:46<xanti>(i tryed with youtube)
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15:47<Hillaballoo>t-r-i-e-d.
15:47<xanti>and dondelelcaro, what do you know about airport card funcionality?
15:47<Hillaballoo>(helpful, I know)
15:47<xanti>thanks Hillaballoo :) i'm not EN :)
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15:47<Rimaille>mimmu, wicd works great, i use it with wpa2 and it's perfect
15:48<cahoot>Rimaille: no problems with wakeup efter s2ram or such?
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15:48<dondelelcaro>xanti: just install b43-fwcutter, and you should be ok
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15:48<Toad>hey all. Is there a tool for parsing out entries from debian/control? aside from awk/grep?
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15:49<dondelelcaro>Toad: grep-dctrl
15:49<Rimaille>cahoot, i never s2ram (netbook), dont know, i'll try
15:49<actatux>xanti: did you install pulseaudio ?
15:49<Toad>AHA, that's it, thanks dondelelcaro
15:49<Toad>knew I'd seen it before :)
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15:50<xanti>actatux, i'm checking
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15:51<xanti>actatux, installing
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15:57<xanti>hello :) i have just installed debian on my powerbook, but every handbook or problem solution pages are obsolete. Anyone can help me please with few problems involving graphic card and airport please?
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15:59<Rimaille>xanti, #debian channel on irc.debian.org is for general topics relating to Debian, and there is the #debianppc channel for topics specific to Debian on PowerPC processors
16:00<xanti>Rimaille, sorry: i posted this msg in the wrong chan.. i though it was #debianppc
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16:03<xanti>i need to reboot... see you later :)
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16:04<wamty>dondelelcaro: Sir, there is still a problem, example: 1 * * * * /sbin/iptables -F won't execute as system, is there a workaround ?
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16:04<manu>hi
16:05<Hillaballoo>why on earth would you want to regularly purge all your chains
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16:05<manu>i am manu fro spain
16:05<locsmif>Not to mention it doesn't really purge all the tables
16:05<Hillaballoo>it's not supposed to. It flushes the *chains* in a specified table.
16:06<locsmif>It's actually a pretty dangerous statement on its own.
16:06<manu>it is a pirate programe
16:06<dkr>Hillaballoo: to keep backdoors open in case admin puts in rules to block
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16:06<locsmif>dkr, right, smart insight
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16:07<locsmif>this is also silly as there are plenty of rootkits that bypass netfilter
16:07<wamty>dondelelcaro ?
16:07<dkr>or maybe he just wantsa safety net while messing with iptables
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16:07<dondelelcaro>wamty: uh... doesn't work how? It'll run as root.
16:07<locsmif>dkr, that's just the problem: he'll shut himself out with that
16:08<locsmif>dkr, if you flush the tables without also setting policy to ACCEPT, who knows what happens
16:08<simonrvn>apf has a a cron job that installs by default that will prevent stupid things, or erase them, until it's disabled.
16:08<dkr>nod
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16:09<simonrvn>i say that because i imagine it's already been looked after, if they implemented that. certainly better than that thing ^^^^.
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16:10<sun>how do you get shockwave working on debian/firefox?
16:10<wamty>dondelelcaro: I set that entry using crontab -e, and if I type iptables --list the rules are not being flushed
16:10<Hillaballoo>http://www.google.com/search?q=shockwave+debian+firefox
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16:10<simonrvn>wamty: duh, if you're doing that as your user
16:10<locsmif>You at least need something like: iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT; iptables -t filter -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F; iptables -X
16:11<simonrvn>i wouldn't do that anyway... *shudder*
16:11<simonrvn>that's more sensible.
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16:12<wamty>Where's my error?
16:12<wamty>dondelelcaro: my cron does an /sbin/iptables -F, then from the sheel after 1 minute I type iptables --list to check if the rule was flushed, and its not being deleted
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16:13<Hillaballoo>*hits "That was easy" button*
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16:14<wopr>uhm...
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16:15<wamty>erm
16:15*wamty is stupid
16:15<wamty>ive told it to one minute after every HOUR
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16:17<angasule>boo, I can't get the plugged in microphone to work in my sony vaio fs875p with an intel card :/
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16:18<matttis>hi
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16:19<matttis>I want to burn via command line, using the command "Burn an ISO image:" of http://manual.sidux.com/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm
16:19<matttis>but there's no /dev/scd0 is /dev/cdrw correct too?
16:20<matttis>this is the command given on that web page:
16:20<matttis>$ wodim dev=/dev/scd0 driveropts=burnfree,noforcespeed fs=14M speed=8 -dao -eject -overburn -v something.iso
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16:21<actatux>try wodim --devices
16:21<actatux>to list your devices
16:22<matttis>/dev/hda...
16:22<matttis>thats not what I've expected
16:22<matttis>but I'll try it
16:22<actatux>so your dev is /dev/hda ;)
16:22<actatux>mine too on vaio vgn-n31z
16:23<matttis>next error...
16:23<matttis>"wodim: OPC failed."
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16:23<actatux>and /dev/cdrw is a symlink to /dev/hda
16:23*matttis is switching back to google
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16:26<matttis>Actually I wanted to use k3b, but this error forced me to "/usr/bin/wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits." And its still displayed in the command line...
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16:28<actatux>are you in the 'cdrom' group ?
16:29<matttis>yes
16:29<matttis>using root doesn't help
16:29<matttis>either
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16:30<simonrvn>man ulimit ;)
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16:31<matttis>No manual entry for ulimit
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16:31<matttis>apt-get install ulimit?
16:31<simonrvn>no
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16:32<simonrvn>limits.conf, sorry
16:32<simonrvn>look for memlock
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16:34<artars>hi! have anybody managed to set u the tg3 driver?
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16:36<artars>i have a HP ml110 server and need to strt it's onboard network adapter, found out thet i need a tg3 river but/ the only one i've gound i tg3 for red hat
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16:37<matttis>simonrvn, nothing about memlock in the file /etc/security/limits.conf
16:37<petern>tg3 is part of the standard kernel
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16:37<matttis>(it's the only limits.conf which find found
16:37<matttis>)
16:37<simonrvn>matttis: no, you have to add it...
16:37<artars>but it can't see my broadcom card
16:37<simonrvn>man limits.conf
16:38<petern>is it enabled?
16:38<matttis>which value should I set?
16:38<petern>eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95704A6) rev 2002 PHY(5704)]
16:38<simonrvn>i suppose you could start with 1MB (hoever many bytes that is)
16:38<petern>^ works for me :)
16:39<simonrvn>how*
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16:40<simonrvn>don't forget to set a hard limit too
16:40<matttis>both hard and soft you mean?
16:40<artars>petern; how can i enable it ?
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16:41<petern>try modprobe tg3
16:41<artars>so if it's installed it'll start ?
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16:42<artars>by the way during installation debian installer hadn't found my nic
16:42<matttis>simonrvn, so what now?
16:42<petern>http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant
16:42<petern>seems you got unlucky
16:42<artars>10nx a lot =)
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16:43<petern>and "10nx" does not sound anything like "thanks" :/
16:43<matttis>still doesnt work...
16:43<simonrvn>matttis: what do you mean? what to do? once it's configured and saved, you can either try again, or start up a new login and try (depends if it takes effect right away or not, some do, some don't. also depends on the user)
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16:45<artars>petern: no use it's reported not supported" (
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16:46<artars>petern: can you suggest where i can learn to setup rpm source package under devin /
16:46<artars>*debian
16:46<actatux>you can try alien
16:47<artars>alien waoks with bnaries not with sources
16:47<actatux>sorry
16:47<artars>the HP site provides onu src.rpm ppackages
16:47<artars>*only
16:47<petern>smack HP around a bit :)
16:47<artars>=)
16:48<petern>you should be able to extra the source from the rpm
16:48<actatux>and compile
16:48<petern>it's not like it's a magic file
16:48<artars>too far, and i have no access to our "red button" =)
16:48<petern>i have no idea how
16:48<petern>of course, once you've got the source you'll have the problem of trying to compile it for your kernel
16:48<petern>i'm glad tg3 works for me :/
16:49<artars>actatux it's for red hat so it's serche fo some strange folders=)
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16:49<artars>and doesn't find them =)
16:49<artars>*searchs
16:50<artars>petern: you'er luck one =)
16:50<actatux>you probably have to modify the Makefile
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16:50<artars>is there any "how to" to teache me what should i change
16:50<actatux>i don't know
16:51<artars>not exactly about this file but any "how to" where the prosses of changing makefile isdiscribed ?
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16:52<artars>i'l try to figure out in "poke 'n' try" way =)
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16:53<matttis>error message has changed now: wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits<this_is_new:>.scsidev: '/dev/hda'
16:53<matttis>is there a virtual scsi interface to use instead of /dev/hda ?
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16:59<spacepluk>hi, which is recommended to have /etc/apt/sources.list? codenames or testing/unstable, etc.??
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16:59<matttis>codenames
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17:00<Hillaballoo>codenames, and here's why: when a codename gets promoted, there is a BIG change in what was "testing" :)
17:00<matttis>so you can manually update, if a new release is released after it was a release candidate aka prerelease
17:00<Hillaballoo>btdt
17:01<spacepluk>thanks :)
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17:08<matttis>I give it up. I'll burn with kubuntu or windoze...
17:08<matttis>bye, thx for help
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17:08<amphi>!customer
17:08<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
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17:10<mathieu>Hi, how can I change the default debconf priority? I want to set it to high. 'man debconf' did not enlighten me.
17:10<Rimaille>dpkg-reconfigure debconf i think
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17:10<mathieu>doh
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17:11<simonrvn>what Rimaille said
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17:12<mathieu>ok that does the job. any idea which file stores these settings. I want to do an automated install. I can't find them in /etc/debconf.conf
17:13<mathieu>second sentence should be a question
17:13<valdyn>mathieu: read that file again
17:13<mathieu>ok
17:13<valdyn>mathieu: particularily the part: "# Debconf will use this database to store static template data."
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17:14<mathieu>got it
17:14<mathieu>valdyn, thanks a lot
17:15<spacepluk>should I file an ITP on the BTS if I want to update a package to a new version?
17:15<acu>what is the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for lenny ?
17:15<gravity>acu: It's the same command
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17:15<gravity>acu: You can also run Xorg -configure if you like
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17:15<gravity>Or just write your xorg.conf yourself as necessary
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17:16<acu>gravity: thanks I will try now - suddenly I cannot go in kde
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17:18<wopr>reboot needed :)
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17:20<gravity>spacepluk: No
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17:37<launch>Hi all, I installed the ircu ircd package and it install the config and deamon in a place where only root user can launch the ircd... this is not secure i guess, many people tell to never run anything as root
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17:48<adema>hum
17:49<adema>i modified the /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh to allow the group usbusers(1002) to access usb devices
17:49<adema>but vbox still tell me that those devices are unavailable
17:49<adema>(VBoxManage usbhost list)
17:49<adema>can someone help me ?
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17:56<bugsbunny>@launch - I suspect you'll find that once it starts it's not actually running as root but has dropped privileges and is running as (probably) user "irc"
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17:58<rah>http://teasel.6gnip.net/~rah/gnome-default-keyring.png
17:59<rah>anyone know how to stop this dialog from coming up every time I run an application that needs access to a password in the default keyring?
18:00<rah>following google, I've checked the settings in /etc/pam.d and everything is seems right, and I've set the password on the default keyring to match my login password
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18:00<rah>s/is/in it/
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18:05<rah>O_o
18:05<rah>nobody?
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18:05<acu>what's next release name ?
18:05<themill>!squeeze
18:05<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the Xfce archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze
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18:09<bre>hi all
18:09<Rabbit>hi
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18:10<EagleScreen>!testing
18:10<bre>I want to create a linux server but I'm quite new and I have same questions that I search in google but I not found
18:10<dpkg>[testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and as <lenny> has only just been released, squeeze users are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. <lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target><dda>.
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18:11<Rabbit>have you worked with microsoft servers before
18:12<bre>no, I work with a linux desktop based on arch linux
18:13<bre>but now I want to start a server experience using debian
18:13<Rabbit>bre: i will try to answer most of your question to the best of my abillity but I am also quite new
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18:13<bre>no problem I guess that know something new each other
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18:14<bre>now I'm on a fresh lenny installation
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18:14<Rabbit>okay what type of server you wanna run
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18:16<rah>updating libpam-gnome-keyring doesn't make a difference :/
18:16<rah>http://teasel.6gnip.net/~rah/gnome-default-keyring.png
18:16<rah>anyone?
18:16<Rabbit>bre: you there?
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18:17<bre>I want to run mail,web,ftp and dns server. After that I want to setup a proxy server, firewall etc. All for testing. I wont to prepare myself for a real server
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18:17<Rabbit>oh so your basically doing what i am at this moment
18:17<Rabbit>proof of concept (test driving)
18:18<bre>perfect, we are on the same boat
18:18<Rabbit>okay what are you looking at for your dns server ?
18:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 418] by debhelper
18:19<bre>I want to set up bind9
18:20<Rabbit>I use masqdns
18:21<Rabbit>for the simple reason if you install it you can use it as a dhcp server aswell
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18:21<Rabbit>already integrated and will automatically update your dns as soon as it assigns a IP
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18:23<bre>I can use this also if I'm on a real server? (is manteined, supported, ecc) Why wou have choose this intead of bind?
18:24<Rabbit>dont know if its maintained
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18:24<Rabbit>i use it because the configuration is much easier and delivers both dns dhcp
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18:25<bre>This is good because bind is very complex
18:25<Rabbit>its pretty solid... hasn't given me any hassel so far
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18:26<bre>can you send me a guide, man page or tutorial for get started with masqdns?
18:27<deniz>when will the forums work again; does anyone have an estimate?
18:27<Rabbit>nope sorry its all on the test environment server which is at my office
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18:27<Rabbit>but you can google it
18:27<bre>I try, thank you for the advise
18:28<Rabbit>cool
18:28<bre>other thing (if you have time...)
18:28<bre>*things
18:28<Rabbit>sure
18:28<Rabbit>shoot
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18:30<bre>when I create the server I want to use it as a real server so I want to work on it with my laptop via ssh
18:31<Rabbit>openssh i think it was
18:31<bre>yes
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18:32<bre>what editor (or framework) you advise me for create php web pages
18:32<bre>?
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18:32<themill>bre: I normally use either kdevelop or kate.
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18:32<bre>I'm starting with emacs but I don't know if it's a good idea
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18:33<actatux>i use vim
18:33<Rabbit>editing for php dont personally know but the pro's in my area of the world use vi
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18:34<Rabbit>for editting stuff i use vi
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18:35<Luffy1980>Shouldn't the packages "bsdutils", "mount" and "util-linux" be considered orphaned? It's 1 year now that they don't receive any update and they're essential packages. Plus, Ubuntu has new versions of them.
18:35<actatux>you could learn vim commands with vimtutor
18:35<actatux>available in package vim-runtime
18:36<Rabbit>okay no i learned something new.
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18:36<Rabbit>i meant now
18:36<bre>thank you actatux, I install it ;-)
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18:37<Rabbit>actatux: how clued up are you on samba
18:37<actatux>i'm not guru
18:37<bre>If I want to use an X application (installed on my laptop) but on the directories on the server? with ssh I have to work with program installed on the server...
18:38<actatux>bre: you could use sshfs
18:38<bre>I google it... wait a moment
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18:38<actatux>apt-get info it
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18:39<actatux>oups
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18:39<actatux>apt-cache show it
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18:42<bre>perfect! mount the servers directories and use it as local directories... thank you actatux
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18:42<actatux>Rabbit: what's your problem with samba ?
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18:44<Rabbit>I am using likewise-open to join my debian pc to my test active directory domain but when i try to access shares
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18:44<Rabbit>with the account i logon to the domain with it keeps prompting me for guest account cred
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18:45<Rabbit>share have been assign the correct security
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18:48<Rabbit>could it be that nfs is causing the problem
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18:48<actatux>are you using DOMAIN\login to authenticate ?
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18:50<actatux>are you trying to access a samba share from a wind*ws box ? or a cifs share from your debian ?
18:50<Rabbit>yes
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18:50<Rabbit>share on a windows server 2003 sp1
18:50<actatux>yes to the first or the second question ?
18:50<actatux>ok
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18:51<actatux>so it's cifs
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18:51<Rabbit>yep
18:52<actatux>are you using DOMAIN\login to authenticate ?
18:52<Rabbit>yes
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18:53<Rabbit>the authentification works fine
18:53<Rabbit>tested it pretty hard
18:53<actatux>beware of permissions with ntfs
18:54<bre>I'm sorry but I have to go away now, I maybe return later... thank you all for your advise, see you
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18:54<actatux>in w2k3 you had to set the good permissions on the directory and on the share
18:54<actatux>bye bre
18:54<bre>bye
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18:57<Rabbit>i know the server 2003 is not the problem pretty sure(though i dont trust it) I am actually a microsoft support engineer... feel sorry for me
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18:58<actatux>sure I am
18:58<actatux>;)
18:59<Rabbit>I did set the share rights and security
19:00<Rabbit>and tested them with a xp pc
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19:01<actatux>is there an error message when you try to mount the cifs share ?
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19:02<Rabbit>you know i havent thought of that... my bad bit new with the linux thing... but my opinion of debian so far is that it rocks
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19:04<Rabbit>I have to go but thanks for the help actatux. will continue to battle this one futher tomorrow... until we meet again... bye
19:04<actatux>bye
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19:05<mart_n>Anyone has experience with MacBook single boot install?
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19:05<mart_n>Do I really need to reinstall MacOS before proceding with the Debian install
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19:06<mart_n>I tryed various ways (with or without refit)... any success. Won't boot.
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19:08<abrotman>!macbook
19:08<dpkg>methinks macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. See also <laptop>.
19:09<mart_n>dpkg, yes I read that. But it's for dual boot
19:09<dpkg>wish i knew, mart_n
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19:09<Lusin>hello?
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19:10<abrotman>Lusin: just ask
19:10<Lusin>me?
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19:12<ricardoasa>jpablo:
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19:24<deniz>i quarantined files with clamtk and the files i quarantined are for sure non-viruses, but now I can't use some of those files one of which is a .vdi of ubuntu and the other a .vdi of debian lenny (the host is debian lenny), how do I make the files work again or if they were just changed from one directory to another; which directory have they been moved to?
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19:25<deniz>o nvm a "locate *.vdi solved my problem
19:25<deniz>"locate *.vdi"
19:25<deniz>*
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19:29<deniz>what is the directory which can be considered as your whole hard drive?
19:30<adama>deniz: wherever the drive is mounted
19:30<adama>or / if you mean all drives
19:31<deniz>adama, so if i use / as a directory, id be scanning every filesystem within or attached to my computer?
19:32<adama>I guess, I'm not sure what you're doing, I haven't been paying attention.
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19:34<deniz>adama, scanning everything on comp for viruses, or defragmenting, etc
19:35<adama>yes
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19:35<adama>everything is under /
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19:42<preston>anyone here familiar with how debian does dns stuff
19:43<abrotman>what doens't work for you?
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19:45<preston>ive got a pc thats ran linux for 2 years. about 2 weeks ago or so internet stopped working as i was installing debian kde. i tried every live cd and install disc out there and i eliminated the modem router and cable as the issue
19:45<deniz>is it normal for a usb wireless internet device to stop working in 3 weeks if it is used constantly??
19:45<abrotman>what are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf?
19:45<preston>i took it to the shop and they got it to work imeanditly with a windows rescue cd
19:46<abrotman>heh
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19:46<preston>abrotman: that pc is not hooked up but i take it home and it works for a day and the same thing
19:47<preston>i try the modem usb port and it imeaditly works
19:47<abrotman>sounds like resolvconf interfering .. but we'd need more information
19:48<cwood>Not sure how to start troubleshooting this: in Sid (Dell Latitude D531), the machine no longer understands the different resolutions of my VGA crt monitor and the laptop's display. Where would I start to troubleshoot this?
19:48<preston>take it back to the shop debian doesnt see it windows cd goes online and when i rebooted into debian i had online
19:48<preston>abrotman: forgive the long story
19:49<abrotman>preston: that's fine .. but we still need debian hooked up and running to help you diagnose the issue
19:49<preston>abrotman: will you be on later
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19:49<preston>about 6 hours later
19:49<abrotman>i will be on for a bit .. but there are always people in #debian on OFTC and on freenode
19:50<abrotman>preston: not in six hours .. it'll be after midnight by then
19:50<preston>abrotman: ive had this pc for 2 years and ive never had issue one why all of the sudden
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19:50<preston>i bought this setup with linux in mind
19:50<abrotman>preston: a program change one would think
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19:51<preston>id even tried live cd's that worked before and no go
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19:52<abrotman>something happen with your ISP or your router?
19:52<preston>abrotman: could my isp have changed something?
19:52<actatux>which live cds did you try ?
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19:53<actatux>is your debian seeing your ethernet card ?
19:54<preston>ubuntu 8.10, puppy 4.2, fedora 10, tinyme 2008 to name a few
19:54<preston>actatux: when it works yes when it doesnt no
19:54<actatux>no debian live cd ?
19:55<preston>with debian id tried the net install and it never would get past dhcp step
19:55<abrotman>preston: tried adding another card?
19:55<actatux>by "seeing your ethernet card" I mean with lspci
19:56<preston>abrotman: its thru the motherboard but it did work when i ran it thru a usb port
19:56<actatux>it seems that the kernel don't see you're nic
19:56<preston>actatux: id need to hook that pc up
19:57<preston>just got it back from the shop
19:57<actatux>ok
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19:57<preston>could something have changed on the isp's end thats flaking out the dns setup
19:57<actatux>what's your motherboard model ?
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19:58<actatux>i see some problems between debian 4.0 and a Sagem ADSL modem
19:58<preston>actatux: asusu m2n-e
19:58<abrotman>preston: entirely possible the NIC is getting flaky
19:59<actatux>the modem have a bad implementation of ipv6
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20:03<preston>actatux: you mean cable modem?
20:03<actatux>no, adsl
20:03<actatux>in france
20:04<random_toor>yeah? how's the weather
20:04<actatux>it's 2AM
20:04<actatux>so dark
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20:04<random_toor>oh yeah, huh? :)
20:05<actatux>but not to cold
20:06<actatux>...2AM...
20:06<actatux>time to sleep
20:06<actatux>bye
20:07<preston>actatux: night and thanks
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20:19<acu>how can I find all the IPs in the LAN (I need toget to the router/modem) and I do not know what it is the internal IP address
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20:22<bcw>acu, what kind of router is it?
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20:23<bcw>(brand, model, etc.)
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20:25<Toad>is there a way to build a package so that it generates separate .changes files for the arch-dependent and arch-indep?
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20:29<bcw>acu, even the brand alone would be useful to know
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20:33<bcw>acu, are you there?
20:36<bcw>if you get back, try typing /sbin/ifconfig in a terminal. that will tell you your computer's IP address and possibly the gateway's address. if you get the gateway IP, try typing that into a browser to see if it has a web configuration interface accessible to you.
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20:39<bcw>oops, that may not tell you the gateway's IP... it doesn't on my system. sorry
20:39<bcw>anyone know how to get the gateway IP?
20:41<abrotman>route -n will have it
20:41<bcw>thanks
20:42<bcw>i tried route just before you answered, but i didn't think of the -n flag
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21:12<mart_n>how big should be /boot?
21:13<bcw>a few hundred MB is usually good, i think
21:13<EagleScreen>my /boot has got 22,7 MB of size
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21:14<prahal>mart_n: should be big enough for you kernels
21:14<prahal>depends on how many you want simltaneously
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21:14<mart_n>200 MB is enough?
21:14<EagleScreen>yes
21:14<bcw>should be, i think, unless you want to compile your own kernels
21:15<mart_n>no
21:15<mart_n>thanks folk
21:15<prahal>I use 95M for 7 kernels
21:15<simonrvn>200 mb is plenty... smaller is plenty
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21:17<jrcl>wow
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21:23<phase_shift314>i would like terminal to stay open after i run a command/script when ubuntu 8.04 boots, how can i do this?
21:24<abrotman>phase_shift314: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
21:24<phase_shift314>or sorry wrong room :)
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22:07<cryingtux>hi
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22:07<cryingtux>djc:
22:08<cryingtux>are you awake?
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22:10<cryingtux>what package is needed to be installed on lenny so that it adds various linux storage and windows fat32+ntfs partitions automatically to fstab than by manually adding them??? ( like many other distros who adds these automatically in live session and during installation )
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22:13<cryingtux>anybody ??
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22:17<sun>hi i did dpkg-reconfigure tzdata but my time is still off by 1 hour, i am on the east coast usa... what should i do?
22:19<mart_n>(I follow a procedure to install lilo) I have to mount /proc, but it ask me the filetype.... I tryed ext3; I got /proc is not a block device. So what filetype should I specify?
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22:19<cryingtux>everybody is sleeping by this time i guess, nobody responds
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22:20<sun>mart_n my mtab says the fs is proc
22:21<mart_n>! hum
22:21<mart_n>so something like mount -t proc /proc /mnt/...
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22:21<mart_n>seem to be working
22:23<cryingtux>sun mart_n
22:23<cryingtux>what package is needed to be installed on lenny so that it adds various linux storage and windows fat32+ntfs partitions automatically to fstab than by manually adding them??? ( like many other distros who adds these automatically in live session and during installation ) any idea??
22:24<sun>cryingtux id like to know that also!
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22:24<kanedauy>hola gente debian
22:24<cryingtux>sun: i can manually add them but just wondering what is that package used for this purpose on other distros
22:26<abrotman>!es
22:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:26<kanedauy>I know, im just teasing you
22:27<cryingtux>kanedauy: are you good with debian?
22:27<cryingtux>there is a question un replied here
22:27<kanedauy>debian is good with me
22:28<cryingtux>what package is needed to be installed on lenny so that it adds various linux storage and windows fat32+ntfs partitions automatically to fstab than by manually adding them??? ( like many other distros who adds these automatically in live session and during installation ) any idea??
22:28<kanedauy>whats the wuestion?
22:28<mart_n>didn't work... In fact what I'm trying to do is chroot on /dev/sda3 (mounted on /mnt/sda3) so that I can manually install LiLo. I'm no expert... when I chroot on /mnt/sda3 it tells me "cannot execute /bin/sh..." I'm suppose to run lilo -b /mnt/sda3 to install it, but I suppose that without the chroot step...
22:28<djc>mart_n, are you sure thats the root fs of that installation?
22:29<djc>you need to chroot to what would be normally mounted as "/"
22:29<djc>so that it has "/bin/sh"
22:29<mart_n>it's the /boot
22:29<djc>no
22:29<djc>you need "/"
22:29<mart_n>aaaa
22:29<mart_n>ok
22:29<djc>if you need /boot as well
22:29<djc>mount that at /mnt/sda3/boot
22:29<djc>then chroot
22:29<djc>gottta go
22:29<cryingtux>djc: hello and would you answer my question too please?
22:29<djc>cryingtux, catch me tomorrow, I gotta run
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22:30<kanedauy>creyon_, I always buils my fstab by hand
22:30<cryingtux>djc: ok, thanks, see you later
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22:31<cryingtux>kanedauy :i can manually add them but just wondering what is that package used for this purpose on other distros
22:31<kanedauy>you mean search and add auto?
22:31<cryingtux>yes
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22:34<kanedauy>I didn't know such application existed, good to know,.
22:34<kanedauy>good look with your search
22:34<kanedauy>nature calls
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22:36<_>irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-es
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22:39*xwindowcrash sial ... bot geblek masi ngekod aj
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22:40<sun>cryingtux it might be hotplug
22:40<abrotman>hotplug is long gone
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22:52<micahg>has anyone used subcommander 2.0b4 on etch?
22:52<micahg>with subversion 1.4.2?
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23:21<hollister69>Can anyone help me with a Nautilus issue?
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23:24<sunbo>Are there anyone speak chinese??
23:24<locsmif>!chinese
23:24<dpkg>hmm... chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese, or /j #debian-zh
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23:25<k1lumin4t1>hey
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23:32<_bedam>www.comunidadehacker.com
23:33<locsmif>sigh.
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23:40<tom>what channel do I use for Asus netbooks and ubuntu netbook remix?
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