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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-04-29

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00:13<amo>hi to al .. i am trying to do libusb program compilation i am getting error as (.text+0x2f): undefined reference to `usb_find_buses'
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00:35<shadouts>did the debian crew develop it's own support for atheros wificards or do they use some sort of modified madwifi?
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00:57<k1lumin4t1>Anybody installed Debian on an Apple Ibook G4 PowerPC laptop?
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01:10<DRUoleG>hi all!:)
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01:11<dhs>how to install openoffice-3.0 in lenny
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01:18<DRUoleG>somebody speak russian?
01:19<gsimmons>!ru
01:19<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
01:19<gsimmons>dhs: Backported v3.0.1 packages are available from backports.org; /msg dpkg backports.org
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01:20<DRUoleG>thanks
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01:23<tenzind>any text-based browser that has javascript support?
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01:23<tuxwarrior>tenzind: links2 i believe
01:24<mtc>yep links2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_%28web_browser%29
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01:25<tenzind>thanks
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01:31<eric_justin_allan>Stopping K Display Manager: kdm not responding to TERM signal (pid 2713)
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01:32<tuxwarrior>eric_justin_allan: :s
01:32<tuxwarrior>kill -9 2713 ?
01:32<Otnehs>I have a problem with my server.
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01:32<eric_justin_allan>anyone know how to fix that. It happened after I got a bunch window failures cause of intrusion so I cleared out the users profile and tried starting kdm again gettintg another error mesage
01:32<Otnehs>Looking for someone willing to help.
01:33<eric_justin_allan>what do you need help with?
01:33<Otnehs>After restarting Debian I'm not longer able to FTP, SSH, or VNC into the server.
01:33<Otnehs>They gave me a KVM-to-IP but when I login I see the console but it's just the shoutcast server.
01:33<Otnehs>How do I get to an actual console?
01:33<eric_justin_allan>Thanks!
01:34<eric_justin_allan>;)
01:34<Otnehs>I tried using ctrl+c to end the shoutcast server and work from there but it just resets every command i put in. I don't have any way to actually input a command.
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01:57<Prathibha>what is the equivalent of linux-patch-bootsplash in lenny
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02:03<gsimmons>Prathibha: splashy (see bug #469776).
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02:16<shrikant>hi
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02:34<infinum>hai
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03:13<alemani>hello
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03:16<alemani>may anyone can provide information about the xorg status under Sid branch it wasn't working a couple of weeks ago are those issues corrected?
03:18<EmleyMoor>alemani: I think it may be card-dependent
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03:20<gsimmons>alemani: See http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable
03:20<alemani>EmleyMoor: how is that? mine is a nvidia GeForce4 MX 4000 do you have any information regarding this type of card?
03:21<alemani>gsimmons: thanks will do
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03:22<alemani>because of those problem my home machine failed on an upgrade, since the I reinstalled the / partion w/ a fresh copy of lenny but I do miss Sid LOL ;)
03:22<alemani>*then
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03:30<alemani>it seems safe to go for it
03:31<alemani>thanks for your help
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03:33<lethias>I'm running Lenny 64bit, if i build vlc from source will it be in 64bit coding?
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03:35<phrosty>should be
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03:36<lethias>just wanted make sure, i downloaded the tar.bz2 file and was getting ready to start doing the ./configure make routine but wanted make sure it would.
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04:08<jlj>is there any software that can listen for input on a soundcard and record it automatically?
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04:15<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
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04:17<elias>you mean, record sound if input threshold is > VALUE
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04:19<jlj>elias: Yeah. I think I found a way to do it with sox though. It seems to have noise detection
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04:33<stevem_>Can I perform a search to list which packages I have already that came from a certain repository?
04:33<stevem_>*"i have already _installed_"
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04:35<maxb>stevem_: apt-show-versions and grep may possibly do approximately that
04:36<stevem_>maxb, that isn't showing me what repo each package has come from tho
04:37<fanto666>Hello, I'm not sure if debian keeps that info
04:37<maxb>stevem_: no, but it does show you the suite/codename, I was hoping that the repo you care about might be distinguishable that way
04:37<streuner_>apt-cache policy <package>
04:38<stevem_>hmm I wonder if update-manager keeps logs
04:38<stevem_>I just wanna undo what update-manager last updated in case it got anything from a repo that I accidentally left in
04:38<maxb>Right, that specific info is not kept - but unless the repository maintainer is being very inexperienced/unwise, versions should be unique
04:38<maxb>so you can relate a package+version to the repo it belongs to
04:39<maxb> /var/log/dpkg.log
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04:39<fanto666>well, things may be different in different repositories
04:39<stevem_>that log file has what I need :)
04:40<maxb>I hope so, or there wouldn't be any point in having different repositories :-)
04:40<stevem_>I can purge them then take the repo out, then re-install them - just to be on the safe side
04:40<stevem_>decided I no longer trust debian-multimedia
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04:40<maxb>I guess you mean the same version could actually be a different file in different repositories, which is true, but if that's the case, you're on a twisty path of pain
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04:41<fanto666>stevem what's happened with d-m ?
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04:44<stevem_>fanto666, theres just too many conflicts for me to bother with them any more
04:44<stevem_>I'm instead using the fluendo codecs and made my own repo for freeware stuff like flash, adobe, skype etc
04:46<fanto666>heh, you can get rid of own repo then ;-)
04:50<stevem_>fanto666, I'm tired of the constant issue with VLC and d-m, thats whats prompted it
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04:51<locklace>stevem_: can you elaborate on the issue? i recently added d-m just to get dvds to be able to play, but was reluctant about it because of the unofficial nature of the repository
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04:58<simonrvn>locklace: they're usually good quality packages
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04:59<locklace>simonrvn: that's half of it; other half is how well they integrate with the official packages :)
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05:00<zhxk>hello, anybody konw IRC servers on the USA?
05:00<locklace>zhxk: the web can help you
05:00<simonrvn>usually well. it deals with a lot of non-free stuff. and i don't remember the last time there was a collision of some sort.
05:00<locklace>simonrvn: ok, that's good to know
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05:01<zhxk>hello, anybody has IRC server urls at the USA?
05:02<locklace>...
05:02<kie27>greetings all, having a problem with dropped jobs to epson c280dn networked laser printer, CUPS reports jobs as completed, CUPS test page prints OK, but printing from gimp/fspot/cli/xpdf ends up in job being dropped. any ideas?
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05:12<stevem_>locklace, sorry about that was on phone... theres some issue with ffmpeg versioning conflicts that messes vlc so you can hear audio but not see video
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05:12<stevem_>you have to revert to debian packages instead
05:13<stevem_>locklace, http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=251
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05:38<kie27>well printing works from ghostview, but nothing else, not sure why, anyway, problem solved, sort of.
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06:03<stevem_>I'm making a repo that has a mix of i386 and amd64 packages... some are of 'all' type because they're non platform specific... however some packages I only have i386 for... how can I make it so that amd64 don't ignore they're existance?
06:04<stevem_>I'm thinking I can either submit them to the repo as 'all' (bad idea?) or a second copy of the package! (bad idea?)
06:05<locklace>thanks stevem_
06:05<locklace>just guessing, but probably have to just create a copy called "amd64"
06:05<locklace>someone else probably knows for sure
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06:06<locklace>("all" wouldn't be a good idea since there are architectures besides those two)
06:12<zhxk>well any body help me to explain what is "the father of my son" that comes from a music of Ireland band
06:13<locklace>zhxk: you're having a lot of trouble with the idea of irc, aren't you?
06:16<zhxk>pardon me loclace
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06:19<skiss>aaaa
06:20<stevem_>Can I some how use reprepro to includedeb into both amd64 and i386 categories?
06:20<stevem_>or shall I start manually hacking the db? :D
06:21<maxb>stevem_: Is it an arch-all deb?
06:21<stevem_>maxb, some are _all so they're in 'all' ... others are i386 and I have no amd64 counterpart but the i386 version works fine
06:22<maxb>Only if you define 'fine' to involve --force-architecture :-)
06:22<stevem_>I do :D
06:22<maxb>I don't :-)
06:22<maxb>And neither does reprepro, or apt, so tough :-)
06:22<stevem_>If it works... it works... theres no two ways about it
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06:23<stevem_>x86_64 is an extension of x84 not a totally different arch
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06:23<maxb>And until apt and dpkg get proper multiarch support, they remain blissfully unaware of that fact
06:23<stevem_>maxb, am I meant to 'repackage' it as a amd64 version then?
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06:24<stevem_>like crossover does with crossover-pro and ia32-crossover-pro
06:24<BusError>hy guys, "qgit" fails start (100% cpu infiniloop) for the last week or no. Anyone aware of the problem ? git-cola also has problems quitting. This is on sid/x32
06:24<maxb>You'll need to repackage the deb. Doing that properly will probably involve editing the dependencies too
06:24<zhxk>well, i don't know what is the idea of irc
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06:24<stevem_>zhxk, thats a heavy question
06:25<zhxk>well, some one guess i have a lot of trouble with the idea of irc, what does he mean?
06:26<stevem_>ask him.
06:26<zhxk>locklace:what are you going to say?
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07:06<Cernia>:P
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07:43<stevem_>Lo, can use something like updatedb/locate to remember what files were were before I do something - then do what I wanna do - then compare whats changed on the filesystem?
07:43<stevem_>or is there a better way?
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07:48<ghantoos>stevem_: you can do an incremental backup, using rdiff-backup
07:48<stevem_>ghantoos, I don't need to backup files tho
07:49<stevem_>Just know what files are new or even edited from _before_ to _after_ my action
07:49<locklace>stevem_: do you want to compare changes to filesys structure, or changes to existing files?
07:49<locklace>stevem_: the old-school way to do it is 'touch before_stamp; (make changes); find /path -newer before_stamp'
07:50<stevem_>thats madness :P
07:50<stevem_>anyway I don't think it'll edit anything, just make new files
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07:50<stevem_>so can I do like a compare of two mlocate.db files? they don't exactly look plain text
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07:57<locklace>stevem_: well, man 5 mlocate.db gives the format info
07:58<stevem_>no I think thats a dead end, diff just treats it as a binary file and just says 'they differ!' no crap.
07:58<locklace>well clearly; if you want to compare them you'll need a tool that understands the format, you can't just use diff
07:59<stevem_>I just need to save a -list- of all files... do what I need... save another list... then compar
07:59<ghantoos>stevem_: if you just want to know the list off the newlly modified/new files, locklace's before_stamp is what you need
07:59<stevem_>maybe I should just use find and don't include dirs like /dev/ /sys/ etc
08:00<stevem_>ghantoos, yeah but that'll change all the modified times!
08:00<locklace>stevem_: you can either use find, or use updatedb and locate to build before-and-after databases. but the latter isn't much of a win
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08:00<ghantoos>stevem_: may be this can help
08:01<ghantoos>stevem_: locate --regexp '.*' ?
08:01<stevem_>err, don't see how
08:01<ghantoos>to list all your files
08:01<stevem_>aah!
08:01<ghantoos>before and after
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08:02<stevem_>:D
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08:02<stevem_>OK I'll begin - gonna package up Unreal Tournament into a .deb file for my repo
08:02<stevem_>so I wanna know exactly what files the Loki installer put where :D
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08:14<enkrypt>a strange question: my alsa doesnt seem to work very good. applications like pidgin and icedove dont succeed to play a sound on receiving messages. my sound with mpd and games and other things work fine.
08:15<enkrypt>no error message, no warnings, just no sound in those applications
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08:17<Cash>Hello
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08:18<tangmin>hello
08:18<locklace>enkrypt: i think you will have to pick one of those applications then and dig into how it tries to play sounds
08:19<tangmin>maybe
08:20<tangmin>i am a new comer
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08:22<tangmin>i don't know how to use it
08:22<locklace>tangmin: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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08:22<ghantoos>tangmin: did you try changing the "Sound method" of pidgin in "Tools -> Preferences -> Sounds" ?
08:23<locklace>ghantoos: i guess that was intended for enkrypt
08:23<ghantoos>locklace: right, my bad
08:24<ghantoos>enkrypt: ---^
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08:26<Cash>I would know how to compile a kernel module alone whithout compilling the kernel and other modules. Besides when i compile a module and try to install it : insmod my_module, it give me the following error : insmod: error inserting 'drivers/usb/serial/ti_usb_3410_5052.ko': -1 Invalid module format
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08:27<locklace>Cash: you should compile the whole kernel and all the modules by doing 'make all' in the kernel source root directory. if you then make changes that only affect one module, only it and its dependencies will be recompiled if you do another make
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08:30<ghantoos>I'd recommend using make-kpkg to rebuild and package the modified kernel
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08:30<Cash>and about the error : insmod: error inserting 'drivers/usb/serial/ti_usb_3410_5052.ko': -1 Invalid module format
08:31<locklace>that too. i build the kernel normally, then use make-kpkg at the end to make a proper debian package of it
08:31<locklace>Cash: because you screwed something up by modifying individual modules
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08:32<Cash>I didn't make any modification, i juste try to compile a module which is not include in the linux-image package
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08:33<locklace>Cash: don't do that. if you need a module that you don't have, rebuild the whole kernel with all its modules, and make a package of it with make-kpkg as said above
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08:37<Cash>Ok, thanks
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08:37<demiangh>#k-manga@irc.irchighway.net
08:38<EmleyMoor>What of it?
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08:38<locklace>it's called spam
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08:39<EmleyMoor>Thought so
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08:39<StrangrX>deb
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09:05<maxweel>hi
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09:20<locklace>argh
09:20<locklace>audacious is segfaulting all over the place
09:20<locklace>any recommendations for a player that's actually stable? ideally winamp-like
09:21<Torsten_W>qmmp
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09:22<locklace>thanks, looks promising
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09:24<Halitech>will Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64 work in a 32 bit system thats running on an AMD AM2 5200+ chip?
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09:26<petern>try it ;)
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09:26<Gekz>lol
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09:27<Gekz>64bit kernel with 32bit userland
09:27<Gekz>that works
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09:27<Halitech>Gekz, well, I didn't think so but didn't think an incompatible kernel would be listed as installable so wanted to check first
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09:28<Gekz>Halitech: it's pretty redundant though
09:28<Gekz>might actually end up slowing things down a bit
09:28<petern>if you've got lots of ram it might help
09:28<Gekz>not with a 32bit userland it wont
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09:30<Halitech>Gekz, I just installed a new board and chip, my old system was a P4 1.8 (non HT) and I was (still am) running 2.6.26-1-486 and want to get a little more speed out of the chip along with the now 2gigs of ram I'm using. what kernel would you suggest installing that won't require a reinstall?
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09:30<Gekz>2.6.26-1-686
09:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 403] by debhelper
09:31<Gekz>you could have used 686 on the P4
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09:34<Halitech>Gekz, so would I go with linux-image-686 (2.6.26-17+lenny1) or linux-image-2.6.686 ?
09:34<Gekz>either one
09:34<Gekz>first one probably is your best bet
09:34<Gekz>for future upgrades
09:35<Gekz>can't remember which one is the root virtual package
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09:35<Halitech>Gekz, ok, if I select that one it should pull in any other dependencies right?
09:37<Gekz>yes
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09:37<Halitech>Gekz, okay thanks, this is why I never did before, didn't want to do anything wrong cause I don't want to reinstall but at least now if I do, I'll go with the AMD64 install
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09:40<Gekz>yeah
09:40<Gekz>but AMD64 just means 64bit
09:40<Gekz>it works on Intel too
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09:41<Halitech>Gekz, yeah, my old CPU was an old P4 so knew it wouldn't run the AMD64 version but decided to finally upgrade my old system
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09:49<stevem_>I've got a tar.gz which extract my game into the right /usr/local/games place and also an icon which works great... but I'd like to turn it into a _simple_ .deb package
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09:49<stevem_>whats the best way for me to go about that?
09:50<stevem_>make-deb just seems overkill
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09:53<ghantoos>stevem_: dpkg-buildpackage ?
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09:55<stevem_>ghantoos, isn't that for source tho?
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09:59<ghantoos>stevem_: in the rules file, in the "install: build" section, add the tar command
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09:59<esion>hi plz i need help ,how can i add workspace
10:00<ghantoos>esion: right-click on the workspace switcher, preferences, then increment the number of worspaces
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10:00<stevem_>ghantoos, I'm not familar enough with it to know what you mean by that
10:01<esion>hha hha its easy thank a lot thanks
10:01<ghantoos>esion: ;)
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10:10<Karlb06>?
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10:11<BigBen>maybe you now when kernel 2.6.30 is release?
10:12<djc>guppies?!
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10:12<djc>!guppies
10:12<djc>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guppies
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10:13<BigBen>i need drm from this kernel to run 2d accelerarion in radeonhd driver
10:13<djc>!drm
10:13<dpkg>well, drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp
10:13<djc>This is debian support. I don't think there are too many kernel devs here
10:14<locklace>BigBen: just compile your own kernel
10:15<BigBen>to use acceleration 2d on older kernel i must install some "patch"
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10:15<locklace>BigBen: no, compile a new kernel
10:15<djc>!custom kernel
10:15<dpkg>read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image>
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10:15<djc>wtf
10:15<djc>!kernel
10:15<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.29.2, prepatch: 2.6.30-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.30-rc3-git6, 2.4: 2.4.37.1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1
10:16<djc>!debian kernel
10:16<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps>
10:16<djc>theres the one I wanted
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10:16<BigBen>this is howto to install this patch http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Ar6xx_r7xx_branch
10:16<djc>ok, read the information in that last dpkg message
10:16<djc>read it all..
10:16<djc>twice
10:17<locklace>BigBen: i'm running debian, 30rc3 and the X radeon driver 6.12.2 and it works fine
10:17<djc>then do it, incorporating that patch
10:17<djc>if thats what you need
10:17<BigBen>but when i use make radeon.o drm.o
10:17<djc>BigBen, what release of debian are you using?
10:17<locklace>no, you don't need a patch
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10:17<locklace>hello, is this thing on?
10:17<locklace>just compile a current kernel
10:17<BigBen>console: Makefile:149: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. Stop.
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10:17<djc>ot just install the current release kernel, perhaps?
10:17<djc>BigBen, what release of debian are you using?
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10:18<BigBen>2.6.29
10:18<BigBen>debian sid
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10:19<locklace>BigBen: get the 30rc3 source. run "make menuconfig" in the source root, then "make all" when you're done, then use make-kpkg to make a debian package out of it.
10:19<N_NME>hi
10:19<djc>2.6.29 is a kernel version... ok, sid is a debian release
10:19<rjent>panthera: ok here is live.log with debug and persistence option http://paste.debian.net/34751/
10:20<EmleyMoor>locklace: He can import his current kernel config as a starting point I think...
10:20<djc>rjent, you seem to have started in the middle of a conversation.
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10:20<BigBen>who package i need to compile kernel and build package?
10:20<djc>!seen panthera
10:20<dpkg>panthera is currently on #debian, last said: 'onime: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/bugs.html'.
10:21<locklace>BigBen: get the source from kernel.org. get the make-kpkg utility by installing the debian package "kernel-package".
10:21<rjent>djc: sorry wrong channel. Please forgive me.
10:21<djc>rjent, ah ok... had me scratching my head there ;)
10:22<BigBen>ok thanks
10:22<EmleyMoor>cp the relevant /boot/config... to .config at the head of the source and do make oldconfig to start from the existing config
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10:22<locklace>not that there's any real point in reusing the stock debian kernel config
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10:23<BigBen>when i compile new kernel i tell you
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10:26<N_NME>is there any document somewhere that list what exactly you need on a boot-disk(usb) and why?
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10:28<locklace>N_NME: what you need depends on what you want to do
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10:31<N_NME>im relatively new to linux and try to learn by doing..
10:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 409] by debhelper
10:31<N_NME>so i tried making a usb-stick that can boot debian
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10:32<N_NME>ideally a copy of the system i have installed
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10:33<locklace>N_NME: making a bootable usb disk from linux is not really different from making any kind of bootable disk: you're going to set up the partition table, make filesystems on the partitions, and install a bootloader like grub or syslinux on the disk
10:33<N_NME>when that didnt work i tried starting from the description on the wiki..
10:34<N_NME>lets say i thought i did that but it doesnt work..
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10:34<locklace>define "doesn't work"
10:35<N_NME>when i tell it to boot from it there a blank screen
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10:35<lucho>holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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10:35<locklace>then, assuming your bios is really trying to boot from that disk, there's a problem with your bootloader install
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10:38<N_NME>what exactly does installing the bootloader entail and how could i check that?
10:39<locklace>depends on the bootloader; check the documentation for whichever one you're using
10:39<N_NME>or should i just try grub instead of syslinux?
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10:39<mjt>syslinux works on a fat[32]
10:40<mjt>it doesnt work on any other filesystem
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10:40<N_NME>that could be it actually..
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10:41<N_NME>the website wiki said to set it to fat16..
10:41<mjt>also, that usb stick should have proper MBR
10:41<mjt>"set" ?
10:41<mjt>don't confuse partition type and filesystem type
10:42<mjt>fat16 filesystem is just fine for syslinux, but not for linux.
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10:42<mjt>ditto for fat12 and fat32 and vfat
10:43<N_NME>now im more confused..
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10:43<N_NME>how is the partition type different from the filesystem type?
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10:44<mjt>partition type is just a number (byte) in the partition table
10:44<mjt>you can create any filesystem on any partition
10:44<mjt>filesystem is the actual content of the partition
10:45<mjt>for linux it's absolutely irrelevant which partition type it uses
10:45<N_NME>at what point and how would i be creating the filesystem then?
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10:45<mjt>mkfs and friends
10:46<mjt>mkdosfs mke2fs mkfs.xfs etc
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10:46<mjt>parted can do both - create partition AND filesystem in it
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10:48<N_NME>i will try to check that again..thanks
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10:51<Xeross>i need a php 5.2.4 package for etch, does one exist ?
10:52<Yoda-BZH`Wk>Xeross u can check on packages.debian.org/php5
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10:53<djc>!backports
10:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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10:56<Xeross>can't find a php5 backport
10:57<djc>php5 is pretty new
10:57<djc>you might want to update to lenny
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10:57<Xeross>does that go flawwlessly ?
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10:57<Xeross>i've got a lot of stuff running apache, mysql, svn, irc, and some other stuff
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10:58<ghantoos>Xeross: php 5.2.0 exists
10:59<petern>unfortunately
10:59<ghantoos>s/exists/is available/
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11:01<ghantoos>Xeross: if you ever need it: http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/php5/download
11:01<Xeross>i specifically need php 5.2.3 or higher
11:01<ghantoos>:/
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11:02<Xeross>part of my website wont work without it
11:02<Xeross>ehm let's just say the whole website
11:02<Xeross>segfaults all the time in 5.2.0
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11:03<ghantoos>I see
11:03<Xeross>i'll just upgrade to lenny using the dpkg bots instructions and pray i don't need a reinstall
11:04<marga>Hi! I'm having trouble with my NFS server, running still on Etch. For some reason the nfsd processes become "D", and the servers starts responding more and more slowly. I need to debug this, but I can't find any useful information anywhere... What can I do to make this give me more info?
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11:07<ghantoos>Xeross: you can find backports here
11:07<ghantoos>Xeross: http://hype.sourceforge.jp/deb/
11:08<ghantoos>Xeross: the detailed list can be found here: http://hype.sourceforge.jp/
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11:08<diego>hi there, Im doing dpkg --list
11:08<diego>and I want to know what the 2 first letters mean
11:08<Xeross>ghantoos: Wouldn't it be better to upgrade ?
11:08<diego>(ii, rc, ...)
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11:08<diego>I cant find in man dpkg
11:08<ghantoos>Xeross: I think it would be bettre yes :)
11:09<bja>!versions NFS
11:09<bja>!versions of NFS
11:10<djc>diego, 'man dpkg'
11:10<diego>I cant find ii there
11:10<Xeross>ghantoos: It sais i should do aptitude install aptitude but i get this huge list of changes dunno what i should do with that
11:10<marga>bja: if that's for me, I have NFSv3, from Etch.
11:10<marga>bja: I'm planning on moving to v4 on Lenny, but not yet
11:10<mjt>diego: read the first lines of `dpkg --list' output
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11:11<Xeross>ghantoos: http://pastebin.com/m4f3eb9af
11:11<Xeross>yes or no ?
11:11<bja>marga: That should have given the versions of NFS for the current versions of Debian, but then again i think i got the syntax wrong :(
11:11<exu>diego, rc means the package is removed but there are config files left; ii = installed
11:11<ghantoos>doesn't look very nice :/
11:12<ghantoos>Xeross: where did you get aptitude install aptitude from?
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11:12<Xeross>ghantoos: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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11:13<bja>marga: I really don't have a clue, I think syslog will give you somme information on mountd which i believe is the name of the NFS deamon :(
11:14<ghantoos>Xeross: I guess 'Y' is the right thing to do
11:14<Xeross>ghantoos: I sure hope you're right
11:14<marga>bja: no useful info in syslog, kern.log, daemon.log, etc. I do get an error: "lockd: rejected NSM callback from 127.0.0.1, port=32766", but this happens when the server is already stupid.
11:14<ghantoos>Xeross: erm.. I can't take this responsability :)
11:15<Xeross>and else my company will have some downtime
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11:16<ghantoos>Xeross: just don't reboot your machine before you've done aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade :)
11:16<ghantoos>Xeross: you are working on a production paltform ? ...
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11:17<Xeross>ghantoos: sort of, one-man company
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11:17<Xeross>ghantoos: But it's a dev and production server
11:17<Xeross>as it's in the same house as my desktop
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11:20<Cash>dmesg give me : "ti_usb_3410_5052: probe of 5-4.3:1.0 failed with error -5" when i try to load the module, does someone know about it ?
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11:21<Xeross>ghantoos: it's good that i have 10mbit download else this upgrading would take ages
11:21-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*jelmer@*.vernstok.nl] by Ganneff
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11:21<ghantoos>Xeross: :)
11:22<Xeross>90% dling safe upgrade
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11:24<Xeross>it's installing some x11 stuf i don't have a desktop env installed :S
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11:26<bja>marga: netstat -antlu |grep 2049
11:27<bja>marga: are there many connections there??
11:27<marga>bja: sure. I have many clients to my nfs server.
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11:33<Xeross>ghantoos: It finished with the following: Current status: 18 updates [-338].
11:33<Xeross>is that good ?
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11:34<ghantoos>Xeross: can you do, aptitude update then aptitude safe-upgrade, and pastebin the output of the second?
11:35<Xeross>i just did the second
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11:35<Xeross>it's i think 2k+ lines
11:35<Xeross>no errors only asking if i wanted to overwrite some config files i edited
11:36<ghantoos>you have the right php version now?
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11:36<Xeross>still need to do full-upgrade
11:36<Xeross>but i think yes
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11:36<ghantoos>ah! this explains the number of lines :)
11:36<Xeross>brb g2g eat
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11:37<fatcat>whats up
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11:37<Bhagya>hi all. i would like a suggestion or opinion please regarding virtual cd/dvd drive. i have some bin files and i need to run them.
11:38<Bhagya>in windows i was using daemon tools, do we have any software that is similar to daemon ?
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11:39<cahoot>mount -o loop
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11:40<ghantoos>cahoot: does it mount cue/bin images too?
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11:41<ghantoos>Bhagya: you can install bchunk to convert bin/cue images to iso/cdr
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11:41<cahoot>ghantoos: I sincerly doubt there's anything you can do in windows that linux doesn't handle (better)
11:41<ghantoos>Bhagya: then, as cahoot said, mount -o loop youiso.iso /mnt/
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11:42<ghantoos>cahoot: :)
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11:42<Bhagya>cahroot, ghantoos : thanks for ur valuable advise. can u please provide me a link where i can find links like these commands. it saves me a lot of time and ur's too
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11:42<ghantoos>Bhagya: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1344174&postcount=2
11:42<cahoot>the debian refrence
11:43<zhxk>excuse me, what does apt stands for
11:43<cahoot>the debian reference
11:43<fatcat>aptitude ?
11:43<zhxk>i don't know, like apt-get
11:43<cahoot>a packaging tool?
11:43<zhxk>why start as apt?
11:44<cahoot>s/a/advanced/ ?
11:44<fatcat>lol what does it stand for? probabally apitutde or aplication? what the fuck does yum stand for is the question haha
11:44<gsimmons>!tell zhxk -about apt
11:44<zhxk>!apt
11:44<dpkg>APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache>, or http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/
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11:46<zhxk>!yum
11:46*dpkg vommits into zhxk
11:46<cahoot>the bot lacks a spellchecker
11:47<fatcat>hey i got a question. i got like a month uptime and if i apt-get update do i have to restart my computer to make the changes?
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11:47<cahoot>only if kernel change is intended
11:48<zhxk>!yum
11:48*dpkg pukes on zhxk
11:48<zhxk>!yum
11:48<EagleScreen>!yum
11:48*dpkg sneezes at eaglescreen
11:48<cahoot>can't get enough?
11:48<EagleScreen>!dpkg
11:48<dpkg>somebody said dpkg was the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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11:49<fatcat>!fatcat
11:49<fatcat>i couldnt resist sorry
11:49<zhxk>!zhxk
11:49<zhxk>!me
11:50<zhxk>!fatcat
11:50*zhxk well nothing happens
11:50<cahoot>!botabuse
11:50<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
11:50<EagleScreen>stop playing, be serious
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11:52<zhxk>!botabuse
11:52<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
11:53<zhxk>well, how to talk with dpkg database?
11:53<fatcat>its all tcl scripts. i used to have a lot of eggdrop bots on efnet.
11:54<fatcat>oh i see what you mean you probabally just have to pm the bot and login
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11:56<zhxk>how to pm the bot?
11:57<Xeross>zhxk: /msg dpkg
11:57<fatcat>haha goodluck :p
11:58<Xeross>i tend to script everything in php including irc bots
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12:00<fatcat>interesting, you did all the code yourself?
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12:04<Xeross>fatcat: Well i got some tutorial for an irc bot from the internet and then coded mine just taking the protocol commands from it
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12:04<Xeross>someone else modified it into something similiar to the dpkg bot here
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12:06<fatcat>thats sweet, i love php
12:06<Xeross>it's the programming language i'm best in
12:06<Xeross>i even make decent money with it
12:06<Xeross>as a 16 year old
12:06<Xeross>last website i made earned me 150 euro's
12:07<fatcat>whats that in usd?
12:07<Xeross>and raised my prices to 200-300 euro's per website
12:07<Xeross>lemme cal
12:07<Xeross>calc*
12:07<Xeross>200 usd
12:08<Xeross>i did work on it a lot
12:08<Xeross>but most of the time was making the framework
12:08<stevem_>Can I do a '--force-architecture' on a deb repo line in sources.list some how? i.e. let me install i386 stuff on an amd64 system.
12:08<fatcat>oh nice. i like the web design aspect of php too. my class is going to lunch
12:08<Xeross>but the framework kinda sucked was aiming for mvc pattern but did it completely wrong
12:08<Xeross>so now recoding it
12:08<fatcat>be back in a few, nice talking to you guys
12:08<Xeross>just spent the entire day finding why doctrine ORM wasn't working
12:09<Xeross>turned out i had a too low php version
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12:15<acu01>man, this email server world is confusing - so Postfix is the postman, Cyrus is the postoffice what else you need there ?
12:16<djc>cyrus offers both an mta as well as a pop/imap server
12:16<djc>you only need one mta
12:16<locklace>acu01: it's straightforward, actually
12:16<djc>mta - handles sending mail to/from/between mailhosts
12:17<djc>pop/imap server - allows pop/imap clients to access mail stored in a mailbox
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12:17<djc>pop/imap client - well you probably can guess
12:17<acu01>locklace: everything is straightforward if you know it (sex for example get's out kids - but there are biomolecular secrets which may prevent conception)
12:17<locklace>acu01: the roles are mail user agent (aka client), mail transport agent, mail access server
12:17<djc>mta's include everything from the venerable (and arcane) sendmail, exim, postfix, Smail... uhm.. what else
12:18<locklace>acu01: originally, there were only the first two, because people read mail directly on the system that received it
12:18<djc>you only need one, like car makes include chevy, ford, chrysler (well maybe not for long), etc..
12:18<acu01>:)
12:18<locklace>acu01: then pop and imap showed up to enable people using their own pcs to read/get mail from the server
12:19<djc>with apologies to any uaw members that might be present, I never really liked chrysler
12:19<acu01>OK, so I want an IMAP server (since POP will not keep the mail)
12:19<Xeross>setting up email server is almost impossible if you ask me
12:19<Xeross>especially with the use of smarthosts and alternate smtp ports
12:19<djc>you need an mta if you want to be able to receive and deliver mail
12:19<Xeross>i tried to tackle it one day but after 12 hours i just trashed it
12:19<djc>you need either a pop or imap server, to let users access their mail
12:19<locklace>acu01: so you need an mta to send and receive mail to/from the net, and a mas if you want to read/get your mail remotely via a protocol like pop/imap
12:20<djc>ideally, you want the mta and the pop/imap server to agree on where/how the mail is stored
12:20<djc>s/ideally/if you want it to work/
12:20<djc>:P
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12:20<djc>and yes, it can be tricky business if you are a newb
12:20<djc>very easy to setup a very insecure system that could be a spam relay or other 'Bad Things'
12:21<djc>You dont want point-and-click.. You want to read (a lot) and understand.. The best way of course is to go under the wing of someone that is an expert
12:22<Xeross>djc: Ye but that is costly
12:22<djc>Note - someone that would run an mta on a windows machine is never an expert.. someone that thinks you should point-and-click is almost never an expert
12:22<djc>I didnt say you had to hire someone..
12:22<Xeross>djc: I used to run kerio mailserver on windows :P
12:22<djc>a friend, a co-worker.. a local linux user group
12:23<djc>just keep in mind that there are a lot of people out there that think they know wtf they are doing that are complete idiots
12:23<djc>Xeross, I'm sorry
12:23<Xeross>crap i haven't checked if my mailsending is still working
12:24<Xeross>probably not as the smarthost of my isp has changed
12:24<acu01>so let's recap - I need a client (such as Evolution/Outlook - that's me), I need a MTA (postfix) which is Postmaster - I need an postoffice (which is IMAP server - dovecoat) then I need SMTP thats a sexy postwomen which delivers the mail from the POSTOFICCE to my Door - thith I get it wright ?
12:24<djc>To be honest, no Windows machine should ever be directly connected to a public Internet connection.. should always be behind a NAT/fw box
12:24<locklace>acu01: not quite
12:24<djc>acu01, well, first off, do you have a domain that you want to host mail for? or do you just want to be able to send/receive mail for an account hosted elsewhere?
12:24<acu01>about the sexy women ?
12:25<Xeross>sexy women ?
12:25<djc>smtp is a protocol. an MTA 'listens' on port 25 for incoming mail.
12:25<locklace>acu01: mta is the centerpiece for sending and receiving mail from/to the net. if you want pop/imap access, set up a mail access server; then you can talk to it with your client.
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12:25<djc>but, see 'first off' above
12:25<djc>the answer to what you need is dependent on the answer to that question
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12:28<acu01>locklace: I might get it - so as a client I need to have Evolution and Postfix (configure also with SMTP) ----- as SERVER I need a mail server IMAP - and the MTA (postfix) with SMTP - am I closer ?
12:28<djc>acu01, well, first off, do you have a domain that you want to host mail for? or do you just want to be able to send/receive mail for an account hosted elsewhere?
12:28<acu01>djc: yes I have a fully qualified domain and a static IP
12:29<locklace>acu01: no
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12:29<Xeross>djc: Don't forget to tell him to check if his port 25 is open
12:29<acu01>port25 is open
12:30<locklace>acu01: once more, three roles: client (mua), smtp server (mta), pop/imap server (mas). if the client is on the same system as the mta, no mas is needed.
12:30<acu01>what do you need to install first: the IMAP server (I understand that there is a choice among Cyrus and Dovecot)
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12:31<locklace>acu01: if the client is on some other system, then it needs to get mail from the server, so the server needs to run a mas to provide the pop/imap access.
12:31<locklace>acu01: start with the smtp server, i.e. the mta. everything else is secondary
12:33<locklace>acu01: you can get mail send/receive working with nothing but the mta and a local client; get that working first. then you can add a mas to provide pop/imap access for remote clients
12:33<acu01>locklace: but there are many clients - in different parts of the world (of course I understand that there are ways to setup a webinterface to the mail server) - but is starting to make some sense - -- if you have only one client - (your workstation is the place where you receive your email - no need for a mail server)
12:33<locklace>acu01: see above. get the mta working first
12:33<acu01>got it
12:34<acu01>no pray for me
12:34<acu01>now
12:34<acu01>:)
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12:35<acu01>I know for sure I want postfix - as MTA but I still wonder whether Cyrus is easy to configure
12:36<acu01>thank you guys - locklace, Xeross, and djc - many THANKS
12:36<locklace>yes, postfix is good. no idea about cyrus, suggest checking around to see what mas options are available based on your specific needs; simpler the better, in my view
12:38<acu01>locklace: I want to setup a collaborative environment - but I will use a content management system as ezpublish www.ez.no so I might not need the groupware sofistication of Cyrus
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12:38<acu01>but since I have no experience with none of this mail servers - I have to weigh where I am going to spend my neurons
12:38<locklace>wow, buzzword overload
12:39<acu01>:)
12:39<acu01>not for geeks
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12:39<Xeross>i would have to google some of em :P
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12:49<fatcat>wat up
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12:58<SARC>Any encryption gurus out there?
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12:59<locklace>!ask
12:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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13:01<bja>I wish I stayed at home, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory (anyone knows what happend) =(
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13:01<locklace>no idea, and that's a stupid error message
13:02<locklace>you could try tracing it with strace to see what the actual file it's failing to find is
13:02<zhxk>!zh
13:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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13:04<mtc>having a problem using bootable linux ISOs -- not sure where the problem lies
13:05<mtc>have downloaded several linux distros -- including the debian netinst bootable cd that I used to install this desktop
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13:06<mtc>these all check with the md5checksums and the cds burn seemly okay --
13:06<mtc>-- none of the cds are bootable and the ISOs are not bootable with qemu either
13:06<bja>locklace: as root it works fine, as a normal user it just simpli doesn't work
13:07<mtc>any idea what I can test next? have been stuck on this for the past several days
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13:07<locklace>mtc: er, not bootable even with kvm/qemu? that seems unlikely...
13:08<locklace>mtc: can you try something like a rescue disk image just for variety, e.g. systemrescuedisk or grml
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13:08<mtc>locklace: yes - that is what really puzzles me - and I can use those bootable virtual disks okay with qemu too
13:08<locklace>mtc: they boot fine with kvm
13:09<locklace>oh, do you mean only booting from the physical cdrom fails?
13:09<locklace>bja: strace
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13:10<mtc>locklace: booting from the cd gives a system error saying "no bootable disc found" and qemu gives a similar error with "kvm -boot d distro.iso"
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13:10<locklace>mtc: er, that's very odd, especially the last one
13:11<mtc>tried it again, with qemu, error "boot from CD-Rom failed: could not read the boot data. FATAL: No bootable device."
13:11<bja>locklace: digesting all information (lots)
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13:11<locklace>mtc: but you're just telling it to boot from a .iso file, not the actual cdrom drive, right?
13:12<mtc>locklace: using 'kvm -boot d debian-501-i386-netinst.iso '
13:12<locklace>bja: only the bit at the end matters, probably
13:12<locklace>mtc: just for fun, try including the -hda foo and -m 512 options to specify a virtual disk and memory size
13:12<bja>locklace: open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
13:13<locklace>bja: that's that, then
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13:13<mtc>locklace: okay, let me make a v.disk
13:13<locklace>(not that it matches the ENOENT error that was actually printed...)
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13:14<bja>locklace: Thats only one line there are a lot more with (No such file or directory
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13:14<mtc>locklace: same error
13:14<locklace>well, anyway, fix those permissions or add the user to the right group and try again
13:14<locklace>mtc: ok. extremely strange. you're certain the file isn't corrupted?
13:15<mtc>locklace: you do not think this is because I have a 64-bit debian install and trying to use a 32-bit iso ?
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13:15<mtc>locklace: have checked md5sum , download a new copy from ftp , and tried ubuntu too
13:16<locklace>mtc: can you try the 32/64 versions of the minimal grml disk at grml.org
13:16<locklace>the minimal one is < 60mb iirc
13:16<mtc>locklace: downloading the 64-bit version for fun
13:16<marga>bja: the netstat you said doesn't show anything
13:17<jiikoo--->First Timer: How I can find some channel? For example In Finland: University of Oulu and The people from Blanko
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13:17<locklace>jiikoo---: is this about debian
13:18<jiikoo--->locklace, ??? No
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13:18<locklace>jiikoo---: then you should ask in some generic irc help channel
13:18<jiikoo--->For example
13:18<locklace>jiikoo---: #help
13:18<jiikoo--->OK!
13:19<jiikoo--->¤help
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13:19<jiikoo--->wrong keyborad ;) or ...
13:20<mtc>locklace: 64-bit version has the same qemu error
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13:21<mtc>locklace: think I am going to do a new install LOL
13:21<jiikoo--->How canI find the ... place, please, for example locklace
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13:21<locklace>mtc: might as well try the 32 also, but yeah, something very odd there
13:21<locklace>jiikoo---: /join #help
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13:22<locklace>mtc: you're just storing these images on a normal local e2/e3fs filesystem, right?
13:23<jiikoo--->Thanks: Locklace
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13:23<mtc>locklace: ext3 yes
13:23<loserkid>xD
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13:24<locklace>mtc: hehe, you win the prize for this week's weirdest problem
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13:25<mtc>yay!
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13:26<locklace>this is kind of a dumb idea, but you could try downloading the image directly to a ram fs just to rule out any disk/fs issue
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13:29<locklace>wait
13:29<locklace>what was your kvm command-line again?
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13:30<mtc>locklace: I think I found out the issue from another channel - have been helping a project that required making changes to the way qemu works, indirectly, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox
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13:34<dexthageek>afternoon
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13:35<dexthageek>I have been beating my head against my keyboard all morning
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13:35<dexthageek>I have etch setup as a nfs server
13:35<dexthageek>rpcinfo states that all versions are running. However, when I attempt to connect using nfs v3 I get "Server is Down"
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13:36<dexthageek>nfs v2 connects fine
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13:37<dexthageek>400 ppl in room, and now responses :(
13:37<dexthageek>no*
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13:40<locklace>dexthageek: does it work if you turn off v2
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13:41<dexthageek>nope
13:41<dexthageek>I installed NFS via apt. All default options
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13:42<dexthageek>if I run a rpcinfo from a client machine to my nfs server, It also tells me versions 2,3,4 are running
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13:44<locklace>what do your exports look like and how are you trying to mount
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13:45<bja> Where can i find the default groups a normal user belongs to.
13:45<locklace>probably /etc/adduser.conf or something
13:46<locklace>i mean there are no defaults really, you put new users in whatever groups you want
13:46<dexthageek>i am mounting via fstab
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13:46<locklace>but if you use tools like adduser then they can have some defaults set
13:46<locklace>dexthageek: i mean give the actual entries
13:46<dexthageek>i am adding it to paste bin one sec
13:47<locklace>paste your whole server and client side config and also the output of rpcinfo/rpcinfo -p
13:48<locklace>any network filtering happening between client and server?
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13:51<douglaz>Olá pessoal, estou tentando instalar o Lenny em um IBM eServer 206m
13:52<dexthageek>http://pastebin.com/m18ec63d7
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13:52<gravity>!pt
13:52<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:52<douglaz>Estou enfrentando um problema com a instalação em um HD SAS
13:52<amphi>!br
13:52<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:52<douglaz>o sistema instala normalmente, mas o boot após a instalação falha em montar o root
13:53<douglaz>Sorry...
13:53<douglaz>didnt notice this was a english channel
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13:54<douglaz>I'm having a issue while trying to install the Lenny version on a SAS hard drive
13:54<douglaz>after the install, the system fails while trying to mount the root filesystem
13:54<douglaz>does anyone have any experience on this matter?
13:56<locklace>dexthageek: ok first can you try changing the client mount from /share/tmp to just /share
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13:57<locklace>dexthageek: any network filtering happening between client and server?
13:57<dexthageek>I tried that already
13:57<locklace>well, humor me
13:57<dexthageek>ok samething
13:57<dexthageek>nope not running any filtering
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13:57<locklace>dexthageek: and client and server are on the same lan?
13:57<ranix>douglaz: your kernel argument "root=/dev/foo" is probably wrong
13:58<ranix>douglaz: double-check it
13:58<dexthageek>if I change nfsvers=3 to nfsvers=2 it works fine
13:58<dexthageek>yes they are
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13:58<locklace>dexthageek: ok, leave the fstab entry as /share
13:58<locklace>dexthageek: and go ahead and kill nfsd and mountd on the server
13:58<dexthageek>unfortunately that is something I can't do
13:59<ranix>!tell douglaz about msg
13:59<locklace>ok, that's a pain
13:59<dexthageek>the nfs server is running in a production environment and will kill active services
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13:59<dexthageek>i know. If I have to restart nfsd I need to schedule a maintenance window
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13:59<ranix>douglaz: I am not qualified to help you solve the problem, only to identify it
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14:00<ranix>I could fix that if it happened to me, but am not familiar enough to give you enough information
14:00<douglaz>thats okay, I'm gonna google about it :-)
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14:00<ranix>you can press 'e' in grub to alter your kernel parameters
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14:01<douglaz>okay, I'll double check it
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14:02<locklace>dexthageek: ok, i think it may be a problem that your rpcinfo doesn't show a mountd running with protocol version 3
14:02<douglaz>the root parameter line is "root (hd0,0)"
14:02<locklace>dexthageek: i can't remember whether the mountd proto version matches up as expected with the nfsd version
14:02<douglaz>should it be like sdb1,0 instead?
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14:03<dexthageek>hmmm
14:03<locklace>dexthageek: but you can try starting one up using the "-V 3" arg
14:03<ranix>douglaz: not that, but the actual kernel parameter I think
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14:04<douglaz>oh, right... so sorry
14:04<ranix>douglaz: I think you want to find a root=sdblah type line
14:04<ranix>but I am unsure
14:04<ranix>if you can find your kernel at all, hd0,0 is correct
14:04<douglaz>says ... root=/dev/sdb1 ro
14:04<ranix>there, is the hard disk you're booting from actually sdb?
14:04<ranix>not sda?
14:04<dexthageek>well I just found it out why it is not accepting nfsv3
14:05<dexthageek>I have NO idea why mountd is running this way
14:05<dexthageek>root 21162 1 0 Jan21 ? 00:00:01 /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd --no-nfs-version 3
14:05<locklace>haha
14:05<locklace>well, that certainly explains the rpcinfo
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14:05<douglaz>I'm not sure anymore... I'll change it and give it a try... hold on
14:05<ranix>douglaz: if you install from USB, the installer will detect your hard disk as sdb and the USB drive as sda, but when you reboot and attempt to boot from the disk, that reverses
14:06<dexthageek>is there a mountd configuration anywhere?
14:06*zhxk gotta sleep, good morning, good aftertoon and good night every one! see you late!
14:06<dexthageek>I looked but couldnt find one
14:06<locklace>ranix: argh, i had that problem during install. installed everything to the hd but it ended up installing the bootloader on the usb drive instead
14:06<ranix>locklace: hahaha that's horrible
14:07<ranix>I've done similar
14:07<locklace>ranix: yeah, no kidding, the installer needs some serious fixes in this area. usb install is a common thing these days
14:07<douglaz>I installed from a network CD, but I used a USB drive to load the missing firmware drive for the sas support...
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14:07<locklace>dexthageek: not really, just exports and its commandline options
14:07<dexthageek>thats what I thought
14:07<ranix>douglaz: it would be strange, but you may be experiencing that problem. Is /dev/sda1 working?
14:08<dexthageek>lockIace: I wonder why debian would choose to start mountd without v3 support
14:08<locklace>ranix: what i actually had to do was reinstall, and the second time physically pull the usb drive out right after the installer was done loading
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14:08<locklace>dexthageek: no idea
14:08<dexthageek>locklace: here is another one, I could use nfs v4. When I attempt to use v4, I get "Permission Denied"
14:08<ranix>locklace: I didn't think of that, I ran grub-install manually
14:09<douglaz>I got a bunch of warnings going on, but it looks like the filesystem was found with the sda parameter
14:09<locklace>hehe, i was trying very hard to avoid having to manually screw with the bootloader install
14:09<ranix>cool beans, douglaz
14:09<locklace>dexthageek: you get EACCES in what context exactly
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14:10<douglaz>so happy :D
14:10<douglaz>Thank you so much ranix!
14:10<douglaz>really appreciate that
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14:12<reky>server irc.freenode.net
14:12<iarlyy>hi all, is my first time on this channel... I'm trying find a solution and I'm sure that I will find here, I'm trying find a way to limit memory usage per process, there are any tool or solution for this on debian world?
14:12<douglaz>found some more sdb references on the fstab file... maybe the warnings are coming from this... I'll let u guys know after the system reboots...
14:12<dexthageek>locklace: if I try nfsvers=4 mount tells me to use -t nfs4 instead of -t nfs.
14:12<reky>join#yoo-fejek
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14:12<reky>hy all
14:12<dexthageek>locklace: Then I get "mount: permission denied"
14:12<simonrvn>reky: um, nothing happened
14:13<reky>nothing ???
14:13<simonrvn>you need a / in front ;)
14:13<locklace>dexthageek: yes, nfs4 is different, you don't use nfsvers you use a different fs type
14:13<simonrvn>nfs4 iirc
14:13<locklace>dexthageek: but i can't explain your error without going through the exercise of seeing exactly how you have your server and client configured for nfs4
14:13<dexthageek>i shouldnt need any changes to exports to support nfs4 right
14:14<mjt>iarlyy: what you're looking for is ulimit. See also /etc/secure/limits.conf
14:14<reky>i am new here
14:14<reky>by Apoth
14:14<reky>:)
14:14<mjt>iarlyy: /etc/security/limts.conf (a typo)
14:14<dexthageek>locklace: The nfs configuration is all default. The only things we added was to /etc/exports
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14:14<iarlyy>mjt: I think limits.conf doesn't work for non-logged user
14:14<dexthageek>locklace: I really have not been able to find any configuration files for nfs at all
14:15<locklace>dexthageek: at the very least you should exportfs -rv
14:15<dexthageek>locklace: there are some in /etc/default/ but very limited on options
14:15<simonrvn>reky: /server /join #foo
14:15<mjt>iarlyy: a non-logged-in user isn't supposed to have any processes running.
14:15<reky>hmm???
14:15<iarlyy>mjt: can you confirm it or am I wrong?
14:15<reky>what ???
14:15<douglaz>system booted 100%. Thank you again!
14:15<mjt>iarlyy: i don't understand this your last question.
14:15<simonrvn>reky: your irc commands, you need a /
14:15<locklace>dexthageek: also, obviously, verify that rpcinfo shows protocol version 4 mountd and nfsd processes running
14:15<reky>i don't understand
14:15<reky>:(
14:16<reky>sorryy
14:16<reky>guyss
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14:16<barnes>anyone had truble with lenny and lvm on proliant G5? dosent seem to boot if its ext3 on /boot
14:16<locklace>dexthageek: and make sure you're mounting the exact directory specified in the server exports file, not some subdirectory, unless you have the right option to allow subdir export
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14:16<dexthageek>locklace: ok rpcinfo shows all nfs versions running. mountd only has versions 1 and 2
14:16<mjt>barnes: it has nothing to do with proliants
14:16<simonrvn>reky: no problem, just look up an IRC FAQ
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14:17<iarlyy>mjt: I want limit the memory of a daemon, this daemon is using a common user to run, I tried to add this user on limits.conf, take a reboot and memlock doesn't work
14:17<reky>help me pleasee
14:17<reky>:D
14:17<dexthageek>locklace: now that I know mountd versions must match nfsd, I am in the right direction
14:17<mjt>iarlyy: that stuff is daemon-specific really
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14:18<mjt>iarlyy: limits.conf is read by pam module at login time (or ssh, or cron, or many others), but daemons like that usually does not use it.
14:18<reky>join #yoo-fejek
14:19<bja>locklace: http://paste.debian.net/34776/
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14:19<dexthageek>locklace: and now i have to find out why debian defaults to start mountd without v3 support
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14:21<locklace>bja: i said to fix the permissions/groups so the user could access /dev/snd/controlC0 and try again
14:21<simonrvn>i think s/he got it finally
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14:23<bja>locklace: usermod -G audio should have put in the same group as /dev/snd/controlC0 but then agin it won't work?
14:24<locklace>i don't know, check /etc/group and make sure the user logs out and then back in, and that running "groups" shows that group
14:25<bja>locklace: Didn't know user had to relog.
14:25<locklace>yes, that's kind of stupid actually, there's some command that i can't remember that let you reset the login credentials on some other flavour of unix
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14:26<locklace>there needs to be one for linux too
14:26<ranix>needs to be
14:26<bja>locklace: I would surely guess it was on bsd right?
14:26<ranix>I beg to differ
14:27<mjt>bja: note that `usermod -G audio' places the given user into audio group and CLEARS FROM ALL OTHERS.
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14:28<mjt>heh
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14:28<rodolfo_carvalho>server irc.freenode.org.br
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14:28<dexthageek>locklace: thanks for the info
14:28<iarlyy>mjt: I'm back, do you know some tool to do it ?
14:28<djc>usermod -a 'adds' a goup to the usrs groups
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14:29<mjt>or adduser (debian-specific script)
14:29<mjt>iarlyy: tool to do what?
14:29<djc>newgrp
14:29<iarlyy>mjt: limit memory usage of a process
14:29<djc>without args, will reinitialize your groups as though you had logged in
14:29<djc>er sorry
14:29<djc>newgrp -
14:30<djc>does htat
14:30<djc>with the "-"
14:30<iarlyy>mjt: like cpulimit that limit cpu usage
14:30<barnes>mjt ok is it debian and lvm or?
14:30<mjt>22:17 < mjt> iarlyy: that stuff is daemon-specific really
14:30<mjt>barnes: general
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14:30<mjt>barnes: or, rather, specific to your setup
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14:31<djc>well there is 'ulimit'.. im not entirely sure how it works tho
14:31<djc>its deep voodoo
14:31<mjt>barnes: most likely it's a problem with your system
14:31<djc>:P
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14:31<mjt>djc: he wants to limit memory of a daemon who does setuid to non-root at startup
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14:31<mjt>djc: and he does not tell which daemon it is
14:31<mjt>so i've nothing more to say
14:32<djc>uhm. ok
14:32<johns>so, I have a sid armel system whose clock is losing time rapidly
14:32<bja>locklace: Yes now its working thanks
14:32<johns>it has the correct time on boot
14:32<iarlyy>yep, I'm looking for a tool that limit memory usage of a process
14:32<barnes>mjt i thought soo to but it worked when i used ext2 as the partitioner defaults for /boot instead of ext3 but i will look more at it tomorrow
14:32<johns>but then loses at least a few minutes every hour so that the clock gradually falls behind
14:32<mjt>barnes: ext3 and ext2 are fully interchangeable
14:32<barnes>yes
14:32<barnes>thats why its soo wierd
14:32<mjt>(not to say the same about ext4)
14:32<johns>ntpdate fixes it obviously, but it's not online frequently enough for that to be the permanent solution
14:33<locklace>johns: are you running ntp
14:33<mjt>johns: how about adjtimex?
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14:33<johns>locklace: not running the ntp daemon, just ntpdate-debian -u when it goes online
14:33<iarlyy>cpulimit works fine to limit cpu usage of a process or path of executable
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14:33<johns>mjt: don't know that, I'll check it out
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14:33<iarlyy>but I can't find a tool to do same thing for memory
14:34<iarlyy>***ram memory
14:34<mjt>heck
14:34<mjt>iarlyy: for the 3rd time. THIS IS DAEMON-SPECIFIC.
14:34<mjt>you can't set limits for a running process
14:35<iarlyy>sorry if a asked it on wrong place.
14:35<iarlyy>***I asked
14:35<johns>mjt: hm, looks like I did experiment with adjtimex at some point, but I don't remeber the results
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14:35<mjt>fsck
14:36<mjt>so please someone tell me if i'm stupid or harsh or "too smart" or what so people are afraid of me?
14:36<mjt>;)
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14:37<johns>mjt: I guess I'm concerned that something is screwing with the time -- so adjusting the tick might not be the right thing to do
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14:37<eric_justin_allan>hola
14:37<locklace>mjt: consider doing away with the eyepatch and the stiletto
14:37<mjt>johns: it's not x86, right?
14:37<johns>mjt: right, armel
14:37<locklace>mjt: the bowler on the other hand is ace
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14:38<eric_justin_allan>I dont know for sure but I thnk the debian feedback is missing some very important things but I could be wrong.
14:38<johns>on another system I found that there was a bug with cpufreq scaling support that was causing the clock to be wrong, just wondering what might be happening on this one...
14:38<eric_justin_allan>theres alot of pausing when installing packages on my computer
14:38<mjt>johns: well, in that case it's best to ask on linux kernel mailinglist, or armel-specific one. That stuff is way too platform-specific.
14:39<eric_justin_allan>thanks
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14:39<mjt>johns: provided you're confident there's no other applications messing up with time
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14:39<eric_justin_allan>;)
14:39<johns>mjt: yeah, that's the thing, I'm not confident of that so I guess I'm looking for some advice on how to track that down or debug
14:41<mjt>johns: well, it's easy to find out, i think. Just take a look at what's running. Its easy to spot various ntp stuff. Other possibility is ntpdate invoked from cron. That's basically all.
14:41<mjt>i mean, there SHOULD be no other things messing with date.
14:41<mjt>cpufreq is in kernel, so it's again kernel problem/question.
14:42<johns>yeah, it's not cpufreq on this one, as that's not installed
14:42<mjt>heh.
14:42<mjt>cpufreq - the main component anyway, is a kernel module (or set thereof)
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14:43<mjt>you can install a userspace application to control it or show a GUI for it, but the main thing works entirely in kernel and does not need userspace help.
14:43<johns>right, but nothing is using it
14:44<johns>and the bug I mentioned related to reducing cpu
14:44<mjt>to activate it, 2 things is needed: to load appropriate kernel modules (driver for changing frequencies and a governor that will control it) and activate (trigger) it in sysfs.
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14:44<mjt>or it can be enabled by default in kernel (custom built)
14:45<johns>yes I understand :)
14:45<mjt>but ok
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14:45<mjt>right :)
14:45<locklace>doesn't the stock debian kernel enable it by default
14:45<eric_justin_allan>also the default checkbox for synaptic somehow clicks automatically close on its own when trying to click close details<---!!!!
14:45<mjt>well, for that i don't know
14:45<johns>the bug I was referring to only manifests when the governor is changed
14:45<johns>so, that's not the issue here
14:45<locklace>istr it being set to ondemand in the stock debian kernel and working out-of-the-box
14:45<mjt>ok
14:46<mjt>that's interesting really. Because cpufreq still has quite some issues esp. on various "weird" hardware
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14:46<locklace>there are a lot of "interesting" things in the stock kernel
14:46<mjt>so it's safer to not enable it by default
14:47<mjt>but alas, this is not cpufreq issue, after all ;)
14:47<locklace>i was blissfully ignoring the actual problem
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14:48<mjt>and for actual prob the only way i can think is to ask people who know the platform details.
14:48<johns>well, next ntp question
14:48<mjt>heh
14:49<johns>"unable to bind to wildcard socket address 0.0.0.0 - another process may be running - EXITING" -- but ps ax shows nothing ntp running, and there is no lock file in /var/lock
14:49<locklace>what does netstat -4a show
14:49<locklace>-4al even
14:49<mjt>-ul i'd say
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14:49<mjt>-a is too many info
14:49<johns>yeah, something is listening..
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14:50<mjt>-ulp will show what
14:50<locklace>still haven't gotten used to linux's weird netstat options
14:50<locklace>i would have said lsof to find the process
14:50<johns>yep, this is probably the issue with the clock as well, it's on the FreeRunner and the phone framework daemon is apparently doing something with ntp
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14:51<mjt>heh. so both your questions are now solved :)
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14:53<karim>hi
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14:53<karim>the debian package I try to build produce a binary, and I would like to change the name, how can I do that ?
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14:54<Scalpel>apt-get list a whole bunch of packages as "automatically installed and are no longer required" which I do not want to live without such as gdm, pmount, sound-juicer etc. How can I tell apt to keep them and strike them from teh autoclean list?
14:54<kurumin>hi
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14:56<mjt>Scalpel: not a direct answer (i don't know a command to do so) but they're all in /var/lib/apt/extended_states
14:56<chealer>karim: if you don't mind, which package are you trying to build
14:56<karim>chealer: I try to create a package
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14:57<karim>chealer: it was ambiguous
14:57<karim>chealer: the make file seems nasty
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14:57<mjt>there's a whole book about how to create packages in debian
14:57<johns>mjt: I think so.. I'll disable that part of this application and see what happens
14:58<chealer>karim: the package's name is "ambiguous"?
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14:59<locklace>part of the well-known "equivocation" framework
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14:59<karim>chealer: the package doesn't exist
14:59<karim>chealer: since I am trying to build it
14:59<amphi>locklace: heh
15:00<karim>construct build, create whateber
15:00<karim>v
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15:00<chealer>karim: what is the name of the source package?
15:00<karim>chealer: oscam
15:00<karim>chealer: the make produce a file called oscam-0.99.2-x86_64-pc-linux
15:01<karim>chealer: I would like it to be just oscam in /usr/bin/ however it seems it complicates things a bit if the name is arch dependent
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15:03<chealer>Scalpel: # apt-get install foo [...]
15:05<mjt>chealer: will it touch extended-status?
15:05<chealer>mjt: extended_states, yes
15:05<mjt>ok
15:06<mjt>because it will not re-install the packages mentioned
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15:08<poncho>how install the modules ieee8021 and drivers intel 2200? i have a problems with installation
15:09<locklace>poncho: they install automatically as part of a kernel package provided the kernel in question includes them
15:09<Scalpel>chealer: tried that, just pops up in the list after that
15:10<poncho>i try reinstall the kernel, but , tell em could not find the ipw2200.ko and iee8021.ko
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15:11<locklace>poncho: well, grep for those modules in the output of modprobe -l. if they're not there, then that kernel build doesn't have them
15:11<poncho>im working in debian-lenny
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15:11<locklace>also that ipw2200 module requires firmware if i'm not mistaken
15:11<chealer>Scalpel: what does # grep -A1 pmount$ /var/lib/apt/extended_states;apt-get install xserver-xorg;grep -A1 pmount$ /var/lib/apt/extended_states; output?
15:12<chealer>poncho: which Linux image do you use?
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15:12<amphi>!ipw2200
15:12<dpkg>i guess ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net
15:12<blarson>!tell poncho about ipw2200
15:12<poncho>install the firmware ipw2200 fw 3.o
15:12<chealer>Scalpel: sorry, ignore that
15:12<poncho>wait
15:13<chealer>Scalpel: what does # grep -A1 pmount$ /var/lib/apt/extended_states;apt-get install pmount;grep -A1 pmount$ /var/lib/apt/extended_states; output?
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15:15<poncho>im download ipw2200 driver for this page http://ipw2200.sf.net/ but, i cant install for a modules ieee8021
15:15<Scalpel>chealer: for pmount it works :) flips the bit but (cleaning up) gdm popped back into the list about 4 times now. (currently it is gone)
15:15<amphi>poncho: why not just use what the debian kernel provides
15:15<amphi>?
15:15<Scalpel>chealer: (it now is Auto-Installed: 0)
15:16<amphi>poncho: there's no reason to build this driver yourself
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15:16<poncho>2.6.26+17
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15:17<poncho>2.6-686_2.6.26+17+lenny1_i386
15:17<chealer>Scalpel: well, try to reduce the problem as much as possible, but that sounds abnormal
15:18<Scalpel>chealer: that it was abnormal accurred to me as well, never seen it in 10 years of debian (since 1999)
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15:19<eric_justin_allan>hey how come it says fat unrecognized mount option 0?
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15:19<chealer>Scalpel: well, this auto-install tracking is also new in lenny (APT 0.7)
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15:19<locklace>eric_justin_allan: bad syntax in your fstab or mount commandline
15:19<eric_justin_allan>when I try to mount a fat16 partition with the option mount type vfat specified
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15:19<chealer>poncho: what does uname -r; output?
15:20<eric_justin_allan> /dev/hda1 /mnt/Microsoft_FAT16_C vfat 0 0
15:20<poncho>because work in xubuntu
15:20<eric_justin_allan>wheres the flaw?
15:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 424] by debhelper
15:21<amphi>poncho: read what the bot told you, and install the firmware already
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15:21<locklace>eric_justin_allan: add "defaults" between "vfat" and "0"
15:21<amphi>poncho: that card works fine in debian, I used one for years
15:22<eric_justin_allan>ok darn I feel dumb thanks!
15:22<poncho>2.6.18-4-686
15:22<eric_justin_allan>whts the type that notices caps again? ntfs-g8?
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15:23<chealer>poncho: you're not using lenny's Linux version. upgrade your Linux image (or install a new one (2.6.26)).
15:23<poncho>yes, i used my card for years, but, no work
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15:24<poncho>im working un xubuntu and my card works fine
15:24<poncho>in debian not work
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15:25<eric_justin_allan>nevermind i just used ntfs thanks,.
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15:28<poncho>im upgrade linux image, but no work
15:29<amphi>poncho: did you install the firmware, as dpkg told you?
15:29<locklace>you're going to make us all repeat ourselves about the firmware aren't you
15:29*amphi takes that as a 'no'
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15:31<locklace>probably he should be in #debian-es
15:31<chealer>poncho: are you still using the old Linux image, or did you reboot to the lenny one?
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15:33<poncho>im install the firmware:tar zxf ipw2200-fw-3.0.tgz
15:33<poncho>cd ipw2200-fw-3.0
15:33<poncho>mv * /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
15:34<poncho>........modprobe -r ipw2200
15:34<poncho>modproble ipw2200
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15:34<Supaplex>!pal poncho
15:34*dpkg points at poncho and laughs
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15:34<locklace>a .tgz file and /usr/lib/hotplug...nice
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15:38<amphi>why the hell can't he install the packaged fw?
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15:43<steffan>i'm removing vsftpd from my server, what's the best way to find out what was installed because of vsftpd, and list those that were installed because of it, and other packages are not dependent on them?
15:45<amphi>steffan: if you used aptitude, unused dependencies will be removed automatically
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15:46<kevin>I have a question about the installation of debian live. I tried the option mentioned in the debian live manual, but run into errors. I'm a novice with regards to using the Debian operating system, so this will probably be easy to answer for many of you.
15:47<steffan>amphi: ok :)
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15:51<kevin>Should I wait for someone to volunteer helping me, or should I just pose my specific question and wait? (It has been a long time since I used IRC, I forgot the associated etiquette...).
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15:53<cahoot>just put a real question
15:53<Yoda-BZH>!ask
15:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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15:53<kevin>Thanks for your kind responses. My question follows in minute.
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15:56<kevin>I tried using 'apt-get install live-helper', however, it can't locate the package: 'Couldn't find any package whose name or descriptiion matched "live-helper". I read the apt manual, but it doesn't clear things up for me.
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15:57<locklace>kevin: well, it does exist in lenny: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/live-helper
15:57<locklace>check your /etc/apt/sources.list and maybe do an 'aptitude update' and then an 'aptitude search live-helper' again
15:58<kevin>I'll try that first...
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16:01<kevin>locklace: you say, check my /etc/..., however what should I be looking for? What could be missing/wrong in that file?
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16:02<locklace>kevin: here's a random example of what it should look roughly like: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg532228.html
16:03<hdon>hi all. why might my system might seem to be making outgoing SSH connections while i'm away? i'm the only user of this system, and occasionally while i'm away there is a namelookup for a server i have shell access to, and then an SSH key exchange (according to ethereal/wireshark)
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16:05<hdon>how can i ask ssh to decipher my known_hosts file?
16:05<locklace>hdon: well, either someone else is using it, or there is some program running that's using ssh connectivity to do something
16:05<hdon>locklace: well obviously :P
16:05<locklace>decipher? it's a text file
16:05<hdon>locklace: well it *used* to list the hostnames in plain text
16:05<hdon>locklace: but now they are not
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16:05<locklace>oh, i see
16:06<locklace>i guess the format changed, didn't notice that
16:06<hdon>:)
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16:06<hdon>i ran the command to decipher it once
16:06<hdon>they may be irreversibly hashed though, i can't remember the reasoning for this format
16:07<kevin>yes, there seems to be something wrong here: instead of the "lenny main", I have a "etch main". Why is this so? (I did standard installation of Debian).
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16:08<kevin>locklace: (message was to you)
16:08<locklace>hdon: they are irreversibly hashed i believe, yes
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16:10<locklace>kevin: no idea, but that's definitely the old version; you need to change "etch" to "lenny" everywhere and do the upgrade: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-upgrade-from-debian-etch-40-to-lenny-50.html
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16:10<hdon>locklace: are you positive? i assume if you just figured that out, you've also figured out the command to check for a host in the known_hosts file?
16:10<wnd>locklace, ssh_config(5) also implies that, "they do not reveal identifying information should the file’s contents be disclosed"
16:10<locklace>hdon: i'm not positive about anything, this is a big universe
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16:11<hdon>;)
16:11<hdon>wnd: thanks
16:11<locklace>hdon: anyway, are there any patterns to the ssh accesses you're logging? e.g. do they happen regularly or at certain time of day
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16:11<kevin>locklace: hmm, ok, I guess that is going to take while. Going to do it. Thank you very much for your help!
16:12<locklace>good luck
16:12<kevin>thanks, cu!
16:12<hdon>locklace: i've known for less than 24 hours. i am doing some development with q3a and i wanted to see the handshake. after i was done with that, it looked to wireshark as though i'd just typed "ssh socsurveys.org"
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16:13<hdon>locklace: so far though, no apparent pattern
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16:13<locklace>hdon: ok, well if you're not using any sort of tools that work via remote ssh connections, then your next step is security analysis i guess
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16:14<hdon>locklace: to be frank i was expecting to hear someone tell me there is some worm that spreads via SSH that Etch is vulnerable to
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16:15<wnd>being paranoid I'd suspect break-in, and would take a look at /var/log/auth.log and lastlog. I don't think any linux box should establish ssh connections without you setting up it so -- especially when it uses your login info.
16:15<locklace>yes, your first step will be to scour all your log files, and keep constant eye on e.g. netstat and open socket connections
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16:15<hdon>wnd: i'm not yet sure that it *is* using my login credentials, only that it's contacting a host that i regularly log into
16:16<locklace>also, if possible it would be good to check on the remote server to see if there are logins from "you" that shouldn't be there
16:16<wnd>maybe you could log in to socsurveys.org to run lastlog to see when you have logged in
16:17<hdon>wnd: ah, good thinking
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16:18<hdon>grr i wish wireshark kept *real* time stamps instead of just relative time stamps
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16:18<bja>locklace: Found out what went wrong with alsamixer, I made the small mistake of using usermod -G only on one group, so now I need to reeinstall all other groups into each user by hand, I didn't have a backup copy, so its a little cumbersome
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16:21<gianluca>Hello
16:22<Supaplex>greetings
16:23<gianluca>I'm italian
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16:23<eric_justin_allan>hey again.
16:23<gianluca>ma come si usa sta chat
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16:23<ranix>!it
16:23<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:25<eric_justin_allan>what should put int the xorg.conf files for a screen resolution of 1024x768
16:25<cahoot>eric_justin_allan: is it listed by xrandr -q?
16:26<hdon>eric_justin_allan: in the "Screen" section there are "Display" subsections with "Modes" lines
16:26<eric_justin_allan>cant open display
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16:26<eric_justin_allan>theres no screen section should I make a Section "Screen"?
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16:26<eric_justin_allan>wait neverm ind!
16:26<eric_justin_allan>her eis
16:26<hdon>eric_justin_allan: what text editor are you using?
16:27<eric_justin_allan>mc
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16:27<eric_justin_allan>theres two options in the screen section identifier "default screen" and monitor "configured monitor"
16:28<eric_justin_allan>display subsection whats it look like?
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16:29<eric_justin_allan>found somethin http://modular.math.washington.edu/macbook/xorg.conf
16:29<eric_justin_allan>thanks
16:29<hdon>test
16:34<stuckey>Can anyone here explain to me what md5 checksums are and how they operate?
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16:35<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
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16:38<stuckey>!deban live
16:39<chealer>stuckey: they're checksums computed with MD5. it's not clear what you mean by a checksum "operating"
16:40<stuckey>chealer: i'm just wondering what it's "all about".
16:41<chealer>stuckey: ...if you don't know what a checksum is, ask Wikipedia.
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16:45<ringo999>hi folks. I've installed a self built kernel, but know I'm trying to go back to the old one. I've purged the package, but after reboot it's still on the new kernel. I'm using lilo which again uses symbolic links in the root to reference the according files in /boot
16:45<ringo999>any help highly welcome
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16:48<locklace>ringo999: if you install a new debian kernel package it should make the new kernel the default
16:48<valdyn>ringo999: on unstable?
16:48<locklace>ringo999: once that happens, you can boot into it and then remove the old one
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16:49<locklace>i'm not sure why anyone's still using lilo
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16:50<ringo999>valdyn: im using lenny.
16:50<ringo999>locklace: i'm trying to go back to the old kernel, but I'm not sure what the correct procedure for that is
16:51<locklace>ringo999: with grub you would just choose to boot the old kernel in the boot menu when the system starts, then remove the old package
16:52<locklace>not sure what you have to do with lilo to make that work
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16:52<ringo999>locklace: well, there is an "old" entry in lilo, but I think it doesnt work, let me try.
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16:53*alemani waves his hand to say hello
16:54<locklace>it's been ten years since i used lilo and i so don't want to dredge up the memories
16:55<alemani>may anyone tell me if the transition of KDE 4.2.x is complete now it seems a bit of a mix now...
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16:55<alemani>uder Sid I mean
16:55<alemani>*under
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16:57<alemani>it is necessary to enable the experimental branch to install KDE 4.2 ?
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16:58<napoly>hello.. [first time here] ..is this a good place to ask for help about intel pro/wireless 5100 agn?..
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16:59<locklace>napoly: get a kernel version >= 2.6.27 and the firmware package, should work
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16:59<amphi>napoly: if you use debian ;)
16:59<locklace>napoly: the package is called firmware-iwlwifi
16:59<adama>judd: versions kdebase
16:59<judd>adama: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 4:4.2.2-1
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17:00<adama>alemani: ^^
17:00<amphi>napoly: or, you could perhaps build the compat-wireless driver
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17:00<napoly>i do use debian.. [WOW] have firmware iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode.. i use 64 bit distro of debian
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17:00<adama>wow, even squeeze does not have kde4 yet
17:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 408] by debhelper
17:01<locklace>napoly: fine, as long as that firmware is in /lib/firmware and you have a kernel version >= 2.6.27, you should be fine
17:01<chealer>alemani: ask #debian-kde
17:01<o-o>experimental has it.
17:01<napoly>I tried to build with compat-wireless driver.. with the old one.. still nothing
17:01<bremner>unstable has kde4 now too
17:01<locklace>napoly: suggest you install the current kernel package from sid
17:01<bremner>mostly
17:01<alemani>chealer: thanks
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17:01<napoly>have kernel version 2.6.26-2-amd64
17:02<locklace>napoly: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html
17:02<locklace>napoly: 2.6.29-3
17:02<napoly>thnx a lot.. is that the newest kernel for debian 64 bit?..
17:02<locklace>it's the newest official package
17:02<locklace>you can always build your own, which is what i do
17:03<napoly>ok.. will try to do it..
17:04<locklace>suggest just installing that sid kernel package first though, since it's quick and easy and good to have around anyway
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17:08<napoly>ok.. so for me.. cuz i'm newbie.. could be easier to install fresh debian unstable.. [now running stable].. would that do the trick?.. or it is better to have stable lenny with newest kernel.. [confused here]
17:09<stuckey>Anyone here want to tell me how to install software on debian live?
17:09<locklace>napoly: no, do not move to unstable
17:09<locklace>napoly: just install that kernel package
17:09<stuckey>The online documentation is false.
17:10<napoly>do you have some tut about upgrading kernel?.. have found some but not sure it they r good..
17:10<napoly>never done such a thing.. :/
17:11<napoly>[never mind.. I will work it out.. THANK YOU AGAIN!!]
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17:11<locklace>napoly: download this package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/linux-image-2.6.29-1-amd64/download
17:12<chealer>stuckey: just ask your question
17:12<locklace>napoly: then install it with "dpkg -i <filename>" where <filename> is the name of the file you just downloaded. it will install the new kernel and make it the default, so just reboot and you'll be done.
17:12<napoly>downloading
17:13<crowd>Is there a nice and easy appz (GUI) which can be used to burn CD's and DVD's ?
17:13<bja>anyone knows the name of the package with the broadcom wifi firmware
17:13<crowd>ho an also which works with 800x600 resulotion :)
17:13<Pitxyoki>crowd, I heard brasero's quite nice.
17:13<bja>crowd: k3b, gnomebaker brasero
17:13<Pitxyoki>But I use gnomebaker.
17:14<locklace>bja: the only one i see is firmware-bnx2
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17:14<Pitxyoki>Though it was giving me some problems some time ago.
17:14<Pitxyoki>I don't know how it is now.
17:14<bja>locklace: thanks
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17:16<chealer>crowd: which desktop environment do you use?
17:16<crowd>chealer:
17:16<crowd>ops
17:16<crowd>chealer: i think its gnome
17:16<crowd>the default one that comes with debian
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17:17<crowd>ye its gnome
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17:17<napoly>dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
17:17<dpkg>...but status database area is already something else...
17:17<crowd>chealer: why is that metter ?
17:18<locklace>napoly: maybe you have another aptitude session or other package tool session open somewhere
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17:19<bja>napoly: "ps -AF|grep apt" should give you a nice list of the apt something programs you are working with
17:19<chealer>locklace: that's for NetXtremeII
17:19<napoly>thnx.. I'm lama
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17:19<napoly>:)
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17:19<crowd>thanks all i will try it all :)
17:20<napoly>ok.. it's done.. going to reboot
17:20<crowd>c'ya
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17:20<chealer>crowd: most GUI-s are designed for a particular desktop environment or GUI toolkit. If you used KDE, I'd have suggested k3b, but there may be something which integrates better with GNOME.
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17:24<napoly>requesting a network address from the wired network... [but can not find any.. even my wireless anthena light on my lenovo x200 is not turn on]
17:24<bellicose>hola, una pregunta, alguien sabe porque despues de que installe awn en debian lenny, al momento de cargarlo simplemente no carga??
17:24<chealer>bja: b43-fwcutter
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17:24<bja>chealer: dive into it right now
17:25<amphi>!tell bellicose -about es
17:26<bja>bellicose: Pasate al canal #debian-es o #debian-ar
17:26<bja>bellicose: ahi te espero
17:26<bellicose>y como lo hago, de hecho esta es la primera vez que me conecto aqui
17:27<bja>asi como te conectaste a este canal salte con el comando /part luego le das /j #debian-es o #debian-ar
17:28<bja>A newbie to irc
17:29<napoly>locklace: it can boot to new kernel 2.6.29-1-amd64 fine.. but somehow it can not find any wireless connection.. :(..
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17:30<locklace>napoly: well, did it recognise the card
17:30<locklace>napoly: you will have to actually enable and configure it
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17:31<napoly>i see in my gnome intel corporation pro/wireless 5100 agn [shiloh] network connection
17:31<locklace>napoly: great. so try ifconfig wlan0 up
17:31-!-svend [~svend@D-69-91-189-163.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #debian
17:31<locklace>and then you can use iwconfig to do various things with it, man iwconfig
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17:32<kraws>Hola
17:33<bja>napoly: don't forget to turn it on and to have the firmware installed =)
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17:33<locklace>he said he already had the firmware
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17:34<bja>upps
17:34<napoly>Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:16:ea:bb:84:24
17:34<napoly> BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
17:34<napoly> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
17:34<napoly> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
17:34<napoly> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
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17:35<locklace>napoly: you missed the up part, "ifconfig wlan0 up"
17:36<napoly>SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory (drivers?)
17:36<locklace>maybe it didn't actually recognise it then
17:37<locklace>what does "lsmod|grep iwl" return
17:37<napoly>i have nothing in lib/firmware/ right now
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17:37<bja>chealer: No luck here, the card i have is not supported =( buahhh buahhh
17:37<locklace>oh, thought you said you had the iwlagn ucode in there already. you need it
17:38<napoly>i did.. but with compat-wireless-old.. and it was copied probably somewhere else.. [at least it seemed like that]
17:39<locklace>napoly: you should just install the package: "aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi"
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17:40<napoly>ok.. it's done but still nothing in lib/firmware... should i reboot?
17:40<locklace>no
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17:40<locklace>it should have put a bunch of .ucode files in /lib/firmware
17:40<napoly>no.. it says no packages will be installed
17:41<napoly>bunch of Done
17:41<locklace>then you didn't really install it
17:41<napoly>:)
17:41<locklace>make sure you have the "non-free" keyword in your /etc/apt/sources.list. if not put it in and do an "aptitude update" and then do the install again
17:41<N_NME>hi..im trying to install grub on a usb-stick and i keep getting error 17:unmountable/filesystem unknown..any ideas what im missing?
17:42<locklace>N_NME: did you actually make a filesystem on the disk
17:42<locklace>N_NME: what does fdisk -l show for the disk
17:43<N_NME>shows the partition i made..but it kind of looses it when i run mkfs..
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17:43<N_NME>which seems also weird to me..
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17:43<locklace>define "looses it"
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17:44<napoly>where to put that "non-free" exactly..? i see lines like deb http://ftp.skdebian.org/debian/ lenny main
17:44<N_NME>after i run mkfs, when i look at it with fdisk again, there is no partition anymore..
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17:44<locklace>napoly: at the end of that line. i.e. replace "main" with "main contrib non-free"
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17:45<locklace>N_NME: you are using the whole disk block file and not the partition block file as an argument to mkfs, aren't you
17:45<locklace>and therefore blowing away the partition table
17:46<N_NME>hmm..maybe..should i leave the number when running mkfs?
17:47<locklace>what argument are you using now
17:47<N_NME>im using /dev/sda1
17:47<napoly>ok.. it was edited through pico.. and aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi still returns 0 packages upgraded and so on..
17:47<locklace>ok, that's correct, provided your partition is partition 1
17:47<locklace>napoly: you have to do an "aptitude update" first
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17:48<N_NME>so thats not the problem then?
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17:49<locklace>N_NME: paste the output of the following commands: fdisk -l /dev/sda (after you've made the partition); your mkfs command for /dev/sda1; the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda again.
17:49<napoly>now I did.. but nothing.. this is how my list looks like
17:49<napoly>#
17:49<napoly># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20090413-03:25]/ lenny contrib main
17:49<napoly>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20090413-03:25]/ lenny contrib main
17:49<napoly>deb http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
17:49<napoly>deb-src http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
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17:49<bulle>hello world !
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17:50<mart_n>I've got an old laptop with pcmcia slots, so I'm trying to use a wireless card... The card is recongnized by the system (/var/log/messages), but I can't get it to obtain address through DHCP... How do I know its "flag" (eth1, wlan0, ...)? Is it the same way to configure it in /etc/network/interface as wired interface?
17:50<locklace>napoly: looks fine to me, what does "aptitude search firmware-iwlwifi" return
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17:50<locklace>mart_n: do an ifconfig -a and look at man iwconfig
17:50<N_NME>im actually on a different machine..but i can try typing..
17:51<napoly>I think I getting it.. it returns nothing.. should I plug in the LAN?...
17:51<N_NME>Disk /dev/sda1: 1043 MB, 1043547648 bytes
17:51*locklace is going to go cry now
17:51<N_NME>2 heads, 33 sectors/track, 30881 cylinders
17:51<N_NME>Units = cylinders of 66 * 33792 bytes
17:51<bulle>i have got a problem with nulog can you help me ?
17:51*bja bja just got some popcorn and gets confortable looking at locklace
17:52<N_NME>Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
17:52<N_NME>about me?
17:53<bja>bulle: No idea, but state your proble to the channel wisdom, someone who might actually know can get interested :=)
17:53<N_NME>(its a little annoying but i dont mind..)
17:53<bja>just shoot
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17:53<bulle>when i visit "localhost:8080/nulog/" it say "nothing data"
17:53<napoly>locklace: sorry man.. i'm just giving u a hard time.. :/
17:53<N_NME>./dev/sdap1 * 1 30881 1019056+ 83 Linux
17:54<bulle>but in my ulog table i have 46000 entry
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17:55<N_NME>mke2fs /dev/sda1
17:55<bja>napoly: I can allways open a zero byte file, i won't see nothing, but i am looking inside it!
17:55<infinum>привет
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17:56<N_NME>and after that the first 3 lines are the same and then it says: Disk /dev/sda1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
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17:57<ubu_>list
17:58<bahamat>how do I get X to use a different driver? it picked vesa, but I think there's a better one
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17:59<infinum>russki wo?
17:59<N_NME>i hope i didnt really send him crying..
17:59<bremner>!ru
17:59<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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18:00<bja>bahamat: Try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and in the Section Device from Section Screen edit the driver you want
18:01<bja>N_NME: No he just took some time out, he was actually having three convesations at one time with three different but related topics, I just don't know how he hold so much
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18:02<N_NME>hmm..do you think he will be back soon?
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18:03<chealer>bahamat: which driver do you think is better?
18:03<bja>N_NME: BTW why don't you write a txt file with all the things you've done so you can look for a pattern where you made the mistake or where the system is beeing stubbonr
18:03<bahamat>chealer: I think it's intel
18:03<bahamat>chealer: but not sure on the exact name
18:04<chealer>bahamat: which Debian suite and chipset do you use? intel exists.
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18:05<bahamat>chealer: I just did a devault install, all of the xserver-xorg-video* packages are installed. lsof reports that vesa is the library being used
18:05<N_NME>cant i just use the history file?
18:05<bja>N_NME: History file?
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18:07<bja>N_NME: Doing copy paste, its not the point of the exercise, gather all the information and sit back and analyze it.
18:07<eric_justin_allan>lets say I wanted to load the boot.ini file on hd0,0 with menu.lst. what tell grub to do?
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18:08<N_NME>.bash_history..im analyzing as i go along..i form hypotheses and test them..
18:08<N_NME>maybe not with the most insight though..
18:08<napoly>locklace: IT WORKS.. i screw the whole thing with aptitude.. just copied the firmware to lib/firmware.. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!..
18:08<locklace>great
18:09<locklace>N_NME: the problem is the discrepancy between /dev/sdap1 and /dev/sda1
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18:09<napoly>man.. they should be paying u for doing this..
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18:15<N_NME>i have another quick and unrelated question: is synaptic more or less just a graphical overlay for aptitude or is it completely seperate?
18:16<llimeht>N_NME: both synaptic and aptitude are interfaces to libapt.
18:17<N_NME>thx
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18:23<twofisher>i have installed debian with the options encrypted lvm - do I have to pay attention to something when making a raid1 with /boot and / or can I just follow normal instructions?
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18:23<twofisher>~=does it matter if the partitions are encrypted when making a raid1
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18:33<locklace>twofisher: just checking, you set up your raid devices and then encrypted them using cryptsetup?
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18:35<danger_>Hi is there a channel where you can discuss becoming a developer?
18:36<@Ganneff>start by reading over nm.debian.org
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18:36<@Ganneff>its not a small or short or easy step.
18:36<@Ganneff>then find something to maintain within debian. and there you need debian-mentors. both list and irc channel.
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18:37<danger_>Thanks Ganneff just looking at those pages now, I did have a look at the developer section on the main site. I was just thinking there might be some packages that I could add assist a little with.
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18:39<Kerz>sry for the noobish question but, how can one change the screen resolution via terminal?
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18:39<adama>Kerz: try e.g.: xrandr -s 800x600
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18:40<Kerz>thank you adama
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18:41<Kerz>it says "Cant open display"
18:41<Kerz>(im on tty, if that makes a difference)
18:41<adama>that means you are root, or you logged in over ssh or something, not from your display env.
18:42<adama>You can try "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 800x600"
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18:43<adama>Kerz: or do you not have a display environment running? do you mean the resolution of the command line?
18:43<Steven_M>hi all, is there a way to capture everything that's currently on VT 1 and put it into a t text file?
18:43<adama>if so you need to add something to your boot line like vga=0765 or something
18:44<Kerz>no no i have slim (display manager like gdm right?)
18:44<adama>yeah
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18:44<Kerz>adama: i tried adding vga=791 and it went nuts i dont think i want to mess with that, even tho i can barely see on tty
18:45<walldo>if my fluxbox randomly went crazy after apt-get updating could i ask about it here?
18:45<adama>Kerz: so you are trying to change the resolution of your desktop enviromnent? Or the ttys?
18:46<adama>walldo: you could, or there may be a fluxbox channel somewhere
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18:47<danger_>Wow the verification bit of the developer application process is very thorough!
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18:48<Kerz>adama: the desktop environment :)
18:48<walldo>okay, i had a lot of windows open and all of a sudden my shit started acting nutty and it wouldn't let me minimize anything so i restarted, now everytime i launch fluxbox the menu dosnt work
18:49<walldo>i wasnt editing the menu or anything, and this was after an apt-get update apt-get upgrade, i didnt see a fluxbox upgrade package being installed though, all sql stuff
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18:50<walldo>any suggestions?
18:51<Kerz>reinstall fluxbox? or use another window manager?
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18:52<walldo>im in gnome right now, i hate it haha. maaan if i do that will i lose all my customization?
18:52<Kerz>adama: i changed my resolution to a very high number on xfce, after changing i couldnt see anything and there appears to not be a timer that reverts the resolution to where it was :(
18:52<Piet>so i have a new pc with every part being new but the drives. it keeps failing every hour or two, and the mdadm raid1 gets degraded and must resync. (the old system was stable), but quite different in term sof hardware. how should i go about finding the root cause?
18:52<Kerz>walldo: back it up just in case
18:53<Piet>"failing" here means that it resets, powers off and restores power afterwards.
18:54<adama>Kerz: from TTY, DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 800x600 should work
18:54<Piet>cpu is 38°C so that's not the problem. could be bios, ram, chipset, shortened circuits, whatever
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18:57<Kerz>it doesnt seem so...
18:57<adama>Kerz: is xfce still running on tty7?
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18:59<Kerz>adama: seems so...
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19:01<adama>so when you hiut Ctrl-Alt-F7 your monitor goes out of range?
19:02<Kerz>it goes black if thats what you mean...
19:03<Kerz>ill just restart and hope that it didnt get saved on the configuration
19:03<Kerz>brb
19:03<adama>k
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19:06<walldo>i found out the problem all,
19:07<walldo>i apt-getted a prog called fluxconf and it fucks stuff up, i think we should take it out of the apt list
19:07<walldo>i had to remove my fluxbox keys file and it works again
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19:08<amphi>'fucks stuff up' is not the most brilliant bug report
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19:08<adama>but it is a good tongue twister
19:08<llimeht>!reportbug
19:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug
19:08<amphi>adama: heh
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19:14<Kumool>adama; thanks for helping me :)
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19:16<Kumool><--kerz btw
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19:20<eternal1>hi
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19:22<eternal1>i have a security question relatated to apache2 and the default configuration for the package
19:23<llimeht>!ask
19:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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19:24<eternal1>why the www-data user have /bin/sh instead of /bin/false
19:24<Knorrie>it has no valid password
19:25<eternal1>but the user is already logged in ...
19:25<eternal1>running apache
19:26<eternal1>why www-data need a shell
19:27<eternal1>?
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19:28<eternal1>someone knows why ?
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19:31<Knorrie>a user does not need to be 'logged on' to run a process
19:32<Knorrie>in case of apache, the process is started, and then forced to run with specific privileges, according to a system user account
19:32<Knorrie>it's not using a login shell
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19:32<eternal1>but why the user have a shell at all ?
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19:35<eternal1>if apache becomes vulnerable, the fact that www-data have a shell ... makes the problem worse
19:35<eternal1>maybe i can restate my question
19:36<eternal1>what happend if i remove the shell to the user www-data ?
19:36<Knorrie>shell is only used while logging in via ssh etc
19:36<Knorrie>or su to the user
19:36<Knorrie>i suspect nothing
19:36<dondelelcaro>eternal1: that actually won't change anything
19:36<eternal1>so, why the default config have a shell at all
19:37<Knorrie>but if you can execute any system command from any process you can start any shell you want
19:37<dondelelcaro>eternal1: having or not having a shell only affects logins; it won't affect things that are already running as that user
19:39<dondelelcaro>part of the reason why it is that way is for historical scripts that use su www-data; or similar
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19:39<eternal1>ok, i understand that ... but if tomorrow an exploit may use the shell
19:39<dondelelcaro>eternal1: it won't affect an exploit either way
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19:39<dondelelcaro>eternal1: only things that generate login shells look at the default shell in getent
19:40*Knorrie pushes his laptop lenny->squeeze
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19:41<eternal1>dondelelcaro: thanks
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20:04<adama>!qotd0
20:04<dpkg><Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!"
20:09<Kumool>the hell?
20:09<Kumool>qdb?
20:10<Kumool>nice, (sry went OT)
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20:43<`brandon`>Hello, i am installing debian and everytime i get to the part something about partision disks it freezes up on me
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20:48<Zviper>how can i ignore this error while continuing my install? Requested 'libcurl >= 7.16.3' but version of libcurl is 7.15.5
20:49<Zviper>-f?
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20:52<jello>Zviper: backport the package to use the older libcurl
20:53<Zviper>any way i could upgrade my libcurl through apt-get?
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20:55<jello>Zviper: upgrade to stable/lenny?
20:56<jello>Zviper: 7.18.2-8lenny2 is in stable
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20:57<Zviper>would i need to upgrade my dist to lenny or could i do that without upgrading?
20:57<chealer>Zviper: if you don't mind, what are you doing?
20:57<Zviper>compiling transmission for torrentflux
20:57<jello>Zviper: yes, you should upgrade to stable when possible
20:58<Zviper>upgrade would require a restart, yes?
20:58<Zviper>if it does that would fuck everything i have setup
20:59<Zviper>should have chosen lenny when i had the choice..
20:59<chealer>Zviper: yes
20:59<scott_>newb question never used ppc got lenny on ibook can i just use usb dongle or pcmicard or do i have to use airport card?
21:00<Zviper>scott_: you should be able to use all of those, although i'm not sure about the airport
21:00<scott_>i really dont want to use an airport card
21:01<Zviper>you're talking about wifi, right?
21:01<scott_>but if i can use usb dongle for wifi
21:01<scott_>yeah
21:01<scott_>on lenny powerpc
21:01<scott_>sorry i never give enough info
21:02<Zviper>i don't see an issue with using a usb dongle on lenny
21:02<Zviper>what brand is the dongle?
21:02<scott_>havent bought one yet
21:03<scott_>just making sure i can use one with the ppc arch
21:03<scott_>can anyone recommend a brand or model?
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21:05<scott_>looking to buy one tomorrow
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21:06<Zviper>i would say this http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=1&Level=6&Conn=5&ProdID=36
21:08<scott_>thanx
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21:10<scott_>that does look like it would work thank you
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21:16<chealer>scott_: one supported by Linux 2.6.26. a brand could be perhaps Atheros, Ralink, Intel (not a recommendation, some of these aren't well supported).
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21:38<zaccour>if mint is based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is based on debian, what's debian based on?
21:39<zaccour>oh, gOS is also based on Ubuntu
21:39<bremner>weird, I just starting having the flashing caps-lock of death on my thinkpad running sid, and nothing was upgraded for a while
21:39<zaccour>Ubuntu has always seemed smarter to me, it just works
21:39<zaccour>plug somethin in, it knows what to do
21:40<Kumool>exactly zaccour ubuntu is in control not you
21:40<zaccour>but those controls can be adjusted, removed, and modified
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21:42<Arv3n>hi.
21:42<Arv3n>is there any way I can replace the sata_nv driver on debian lenny?
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21:43<Arv3n>anyone have any suggestions?
21:43<Arv3n>they really fucked up the 2.6.26 kernel on debian.
21:43<Arv3n>or if there was a way to update the kernel versio
21:44<Arv3n>n
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21:55<dondelelcaro>Arv3n: works fine for me, but you can upgrade the kernel if you want using make-kpkg or similar
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22:03<alemani>hello it's ok to ask questions about alsa (not working) on debian ?
22:04<abrotman>yes
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22:05<alemani>ok, alsa version is alsa-base 1.0.19.dfsg-3
22:06<alemani>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)
22:06<alemani>00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P PCI to AGP Controller (rev 02)
22:06<alemani>00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
22:06<alemani>00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
22:06<abrotman>!alsa checklist
22:06<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
22:06<alemani>00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
22:06<alemani>00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
22:06<abrotman>!tell alemani about paste
22:06<alemani>00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
22:06<alemani>00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)
22:07<alemani>00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
22:07<alemani>00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller (rev 02)
22:07<alemani>00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
22:07<alemani>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
22:07<alemani>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1)
22:07<alemani>02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)
22:07<alemani>ivan@skywalker:~$
22:07<johns>skywalker you are not
22:08<alemani>I did it throught "/msg dpkg paste" well I did something wrong sorry!
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22:11<alemani>my user name is already on the 'audio' group
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22:14<anzo>hello room
22:14<alemani>using alsamixer all seems to be correct
22:14<anzo>i am having an odd issue here with an old video card running xubuntu 8.10
22:14<abrotman>anzo: #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
22:15<anzo>thot i might poll here first as there is no xubuntu form solution
22:15<anzo>but you think thats the better place?
22:15<alemani>arts was not installes :-P
22:16<abrotman>anzo: since xubuntu isn't debian ... yes
22:16<alemani>shall I stop there and logout login to test it or should I continue w/ the checklist ?
22:16<anzo>lol sorry thought i read it was, been playing with to many distros.... well thanks for not being a jerk to my noobish question
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22:31<alemani>still with soud problems login/logout sounds load when kde starts but amarok says that "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"
22:31<alemani>what is missing ? please
22:31<alemani>*sound
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22:48<bhagya>hi all. i have an issue with synaptics manager. it is not asking for pasword. how do i configure so that every time it will ask for a password
22:49<abrotman>you probably have to configure your sudo or sudo front end to have a shorter timeout
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22:50<johns>Any idea what this is all about on my mipsel sid system? Unknown error, message=exec /bin/bash -o pipefail -c 'dpkg-query --show --showformat="\${status} \${provides} \${package}\n" | sed -n -e "/installed\|triggers-awaited\|triggers-pending /{s/^.*\(installed\|triggers-awaited\|triggers-pending\) *//; s/[, ][, ]*/\n/g; p}"'
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22:50<johns>happens after Processing triggers for menu ...
22:50<johns>whenever anything is installed
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22:57<user>hi
22:57<user>what do I need so pykaraoke will run?
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22:59<smithi>I have installed pykaraoke, but it doesn't seem to be anywhwere
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23:00<abrotman>installed how? dpkg -L pykaraokae
23:00<smithi>with synaptic
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23:01<bhagya>of late i have installing and uninstalling many softwares. how can i clean file leftovers or temporary files in the system
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23:17<Steven_M>hi all, is there a way to capture everything that's currently on VT 1 and put it into a t text file?
23:18<Steven_M>the termial won't scroll back to begining of the output. Is the info gone for ever?
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23:22<Kumool>Steven_M; theres always /var/log
23:22<Kumool>i think the tty info gets saved there
23:22<Kumool>where exactly? i forgot
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23:24<abhi>hi eeveryone
23:24<Steven_M>Kumool: I don't think it does, but I'll check
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23:25<chealer>bhagya: if you're talking about Debian packages, you can use apt-get autoclean or clean
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23:26<bhagya>chealer, ok
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23:26<chealer>Steven_M: generally speaking, yes
23:26<chealer>Steven_M: (to the second question)
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23:30<Steven_M>chealer: yes to it being gone for ever?
23:31<chealer>Steven_M: right
23:32<Steven_M>chealer: you said generally speaking, what are the exceptions?
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23:38<chealer>Steven_M: I meant, yes. of course, if the output also goes to a file, you can access it, but I'm not even aware of software to automatically store a terminal's output. the closest is script (nothing that would be used without you knowing)
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23:40<Steven_M>chealer: ok, thanks
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23:42<bolly>hey all can anyone help i'm in a rescue terminal here unable to access my main distro after an upgrade to lenny from etch, all looks ok but can you believe it i have no keyboard, but can see messages popping up detecting me plugging in various other keyboards to get a shell
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23:45<chealer>bolly: which Linux version do you use?
23:46<bolly>well this is debian
23:46<bolly>the kernel was upgraded to 2.6.26 from something like 2.3
23:46<zhxk> hello, does this channel runs around the clock?
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23:48<bremner>zhxk: only when you are here
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23:49<zhxk>bremner:what do you mean?
23:49<bolly>also seeing a message about udev not starting but it due to the kernel version (i think it's expecting the old one?)
23:49<bremner>zhxk: as soon as you leave the channel, we all stop
23:50<zhxk>bremner:i doesn't have that power
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23:52<chealer>bolly: could "2.3" be 2.6.18?
23:52<bolly>i'll check one sec
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23:55<bolly>chealer: yep 2.6.16-1
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23:56<chealer>bolly: 2.6.16-1 was not in etch. did you upgrade following the release notes?
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23:57<bolly>ah really! didn't know that, i got this version using a cd for the ps3
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23:58<bolly>then googled on how to upgrade debian and did the dist upgrade etc
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23:59<chealer>bolly: a cd for the ps3? did you download the ISO of this CD?
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