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00:00<bolly>yeah
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00:00<bolly>tried to install off a usb stick but not much luck
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00:01<chealer>bolly: where did you download it from?
00:01<bolly>it's in my sources.list one sec
00:02<bolly>is there a way to get another terminal so i don't have to keep closing ircii
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00:05<alemani>hello, ALSA still not working I did what's on the dpkg bot checklist the last step does not work for root, what else can I do? thanks for your help
00:05<bolly>chealer: http://ps3.keshi.org/debian-live/20070114
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00:06<chealer>bolly: I'm afraid that's not real Debian. when did you install?
00:06<bolly>just last night mate
00:07<chealer>bolly: you can access tty2 with Alt+F2
00:07<chealer>bolly: why didn't you install lenny directly?
00:07<bolly>limited blank cds and wasnt sure that it was going to even be able to boot off it
00:07<bolly>jsut followed a basic tutorial
00:08<chealer>alemani: what do you mean by ALSA not working?
00:08<chealer>bolly: did that tutorial instruct you to upgrade to lenny?
00:08<bolly>no it got me as far as a desktop
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00:10<bolly>should i try just a basic version of lenny now then
00:10<bolly>ppc64
00:12<alemani>chealer: I mean this http://paste.debian.net:80/34819/
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00:13<chealer>bolly: I would, but I'm not sure at all that Debian supports PS3. otherwise, ask support from the makers of the iso you used.
00:13<alemani>chealer: I have cheked all the steps on the alsa-checklist but I don't know what I am missing... sound works when I login on KDE4 and when I log out but not on amarok or with mpg123, etc...
00:14<bolly>chealer: np buddy thanks alot
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00:17<chealer>alemani: does trying that with option -vv change the output?
00:18<alemani>chealer: you mean the aplay command ?
00:18<chealer>alemani: yes
00:20<alemani>chealer: it's the same let me paste it
00:20<alemani>chealer: http://paste.debian.net:80/34821/
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00:22<chealer>alemani: did you try reloading all sound modules and retrying that?
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00:25<alemani>chealer: no, how I do that modprobe / modprobe -r ?
00:25<chealer>alemani: yes
00:26<alemani>chealer: what modules? snd-pcm-oss ? snd-pcm?
00:27<bolly>ok cd burned here goes
00:27<bolly>in a bit guys
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00:29<chealer>alemani: yes, snd*
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00:34<alemani>chealer: ok, I get this message FATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use everytime I do modprobe -r snd-something
00:35<alemani>chealer: should I kill what lsof | grep snd gives me ?
00:36<chealer>alemani: when doing modprobe -r snd-what, for example?
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00:38<alemani>chealer: modprobe -r snd-pcm or modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss
00:39<chealer>alemani: if you run $ lsmod |grep snd; does a 0 show at the end of snd-pcm-oss's line
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00:40<alemani>chealer: no it shows a '1'
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00:42<chealer>alemani: start by removing those with a 0. maybe alsaconf would do the job
00:42<chealer>alemani: but what does lsof | grep snd; give you?
00:43<alemani>chealer: it gives me --> kmix 5291 ivan 20u CHR 116,0 0t0 5488 /dev/snd/controlC0
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00:45<alemani>chealer: ok removing those modules w/ '0'
00:45<chealer>alemani: I don't think killing that would help
00:45<alemani>chealer: yeah I know... I realize that after posting to ya'
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00:49<alemani>chealer: should I reload those modules with '1' , '2' , '3' and '8' ?
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00:51<chealer>alemani: actually, I don't think that would work. I should put a disclaimer before going on that I don't know ALSA as I'd like. did you try running alsaconf?
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00:52<alemani>chealer: yep I tryed but it seems that is not longer available
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00:54<alemani>chealer: I read something about it somewhere in the debian wiki do not exactly recall where LOL
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01:01<gsimmons>!alsaconf
01:01<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>.
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01:04<alemani>yep I read it there using the dpkg bot :) than gsimmons
01:04<alemani>*thanks
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01:06<chealer>alemani: yeah... I don't know what to tell you, besides that we're going to be 2 trying to get sound working [again] now
01:07<alemani>chealer: why is that ? you misconfigured your system ? ... ?
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01:09<chealer>alemani: I don't know what I did. maybe rebooting will help. ALSA doesn't detect any sound card now.
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01:09<stuckey>Hello
01:09<Prathibha>I am using debian lenny and the progressbar in splashy is not working. Also nothing happens when Alt+F2 is pressed
01:09<stuckey>I'm trying to move an unnalocated space to the end of thd disk in gparted but it won't let me move it
01:10<stuckey>Anyone know why?
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01:14<chealer>alemani: at least, I succeeded in getting rid of all my snd modules
01:15<alemani>chealer: what if apt-get install --reinstall alsa* arts ?
01:15<chealer>stuckey: I don't know gparted, but you don't "move unallocated space". "moving unallocated space" would imply moving the partitions between
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01:16<chealer>alemani: reinstalling rarely helps. I'll try to fix my problem, but I don't think I can help you. FWIW, the alsa command seems to be powerful (good or bad)
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01:18<sagita>ai. .
01:19<sagita>woi. . .
01:19<alemani>chealer: :( thanks for your help
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01:26<Steven_M>is there an aptitude search command that will list all of the packages that are installed?
01:29<bozz>aptitude search '~i'
01:29<bozz>or dpkg --list
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01:31<hadopeer>Hi everyone !
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01:32<hadopeer>I received a new server with a Quad Core Xeon L5410. How can I know if I need the x86 or the AMD64 version of Debian ?
01:32<hadopeer>Or even IA64 maybe ?
01:33<stuckey>Yeah, I'm trying to move a partion infront of unallocated space, so that the unallocated space joins the other unallocated space at the end of the disk.
01:33<stuckey>I want to make one big partition out of it.
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01:33<stuckey>Anyone know why this is?
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01:33<hadopeer>stuckey: LVM ?
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01:33<CompWizrd>hadopeer: that's amd64
01:33<CompWizrd>IA64 is itanium
01:34<stuckey>hadopeer: don't know what that is
01:34<hadopeer>ComradeHaz: thank you. Yes that's what I guessed for IA64, I asked just to be sure.
01:35<hadopeer>So how could I know that it's x86 or AMD64 ?
01:35<hadopeer>I mean without asking you ? Did you just know it ? Or is there a way to find this somewhere ?
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01:35<hadopeer>Maybe there are no new x86 CPU anymore ?
01:36<CompWizrd>just knew it, from so many people asking.. and that so very few people would actually need ia64
01:36<hadopeer>Ok. Well, thank you.
01:37<hadopeer>stuckey: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410
01:37<penpen>itanium are no longer in production afaik
01:38<hadopeer>stuckey: just build one big VG with your 2 PV (your 2 partitions) and you can make a LV (a real parition) using part of your space or all the space you have.
01:38<hadopeer>You can resize it afterwards (but it's easier to increase than to shrink down)
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01:40<stuckey>hadopeer: okay thanks I have to go buy I'll come back
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01:48<chealer>alemani: did you try # alsa force-reload; (brutal)?
01:49<chealer>alemani: you can also start with alsa reload
01:52<Steven_M>bozz: thanks :)
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02:03<simonrvn>chealer: i do that now to fix the wonkiness between my sound card's driver (or the card itself) and the machine's acpi bus - weird thing is on past kernels it worked ok.
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02:05<chealer>simonrvn: I'm not sure what problem you're describing. sound works well for me, except that the microphone doesn't seem to record whichever configuration I try.
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02:07<alemani>chealer: nop haven't tried that
02:07<simonrvn>chealer: oh, just describing what i do to fix the acpi issues on this mobo; conflicts and such
02:08<alemani>chealer: just tried and now the sound workssssssss
02:08<alemani>yaahhoooo
02:08<alemani>chealer: thanks
02:09<alemani>chealer: but what if I restart the machine will I have to execute this command everytime... ?
02:10<chealer>alemani: so it was worth it to reboot my machine.
02:10<chealer>alemani: yeah, that probably shows that applications monopolize your sound card - which is probably because dmix is disabled.
02:10<alemani>it seems tha kmix or phonom where doing this
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02:12<chealer>alemani: actually it seems that dmix should be enabled by default if needed
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02:13<simonrvn>it is now. has been for a while...
02:13<chealer>alemani: are you able to reproduce the problem without rebooting. I'd guess while trying multiple applications that play sound at the same time (or 2 instances of 1 application)
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02:13<alemani>let try
02:13<alemani>*let me try
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02:16<alemani>chealer: amarok was playing then I started mpg321 with a song and it plays then started anotehr instance of mpg321 and both songs are playing...
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02:17<Steven_M>hi all
02:17<alemani>I mean amarok was closes after opening the file with mpg321 but both instances of mpg321 played well
02:17<alemani>*closed
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02:18<alemani>sorry it's a bit late here lots of finger mistakes ;)
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02:19<alemani>mmmm amarok still working ans playing but the window is gone
02:20<alemani>chealer: this just probes that it's not longer monopolized <-- if that word exists...
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02:20<chealer>alemani: OK...maybe you'd trigger it by restarting KDE. anyway, I wouldn't really know what to tell you if you could reproduce.
02:21<chealer>alemani: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/monopolized
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02:22<alemani>chealer: well I have to sleep now for a bit, I'll further investigate about this... see ya' and thanks for your help
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02:24<chealer>alemani: good night
02:24<Steven_M>in terms of this security advisary: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1782 Is my system safe as long I don't run mplayer?
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02:26<petern>yes
02:28<Steven_M>petern: good cause I can't upgrade it at the moment
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02:48<zhxk>can a little performace be gained to toggel off realtime mark off to ext3 root filesystem?
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03:09<Supaplex>!edd
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03:15<Arv3n>Hi.
03:15<Arv3n>Does anyone know if I can put an updated kernel on the Debian installation CD?
03:16<Arv3n>the current one has issues.
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03:20<Supaplex>Arv3n: ask #debian-boot - there are mini.iso that are netboot images on cd. only has the kernel, initrd (with some drivers), and bootloader in an iso image. (no packages)
03:21<Arv3n>Supaplex, well is there a way to get the kernel to even boot?
03:21<Arv3n>Supaplex, I asked here before and some guy said the kernel doesnt support my cd drive.. but i have a pretty common chipset (nforce 4)
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03:22<Arv3n>Supaplex, know anything?
03:23<Supaplex>uh, I'm not sure what the boot problem is. does another cd boot okay?
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03:24<bhagya>please suggest me regarding installation of xp on lenny.
03:25<Arv3n>Supaplex, I've tried the Debian net install iso, the business card size iso, Parsix 2.0r0 (similar kernel to debian - 2.6.26), elive testing (similar kernel to debian), and none work.
03:25<bhagya>i have installed lenny with guided partition with seperate folders for /usr. /var.
03:25<Arv3n>any debian based distro with a similar kernel fails to boot -- it cant find the live media or when it gets to the installation process (i.e., debian) it says "failed to detect cdrom drive".
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03:25<bhagya>how should i install xp ?
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03:26<Arv3n>Supaplex: LSPCI: http://pastebin.ca/1408256. This only happens on Debian Lenny.
03:26<Arv3n>i was reading on google, and there is very scarce information on this (seems im the only one with this problem), but i read something about somebody submitting a bad patch for the sata_nv driver for the debian kernel.
03:27<Arv3n>ive flashed my bios, updated my cd/dvd drive firmware. still doesnt work.
03:27<Arv3n>if there is ANY workaround, ill accept it.
03:28<bhagya>my disk as follows : http://paste.debian.net/34824/
03:28<Supaplex>sata_nv sounds pretty close to the issue.
03:29<Arv3n>yes, Im semi-familiar with it because of the ported osx86 driver.
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03:29<Arv3n>osx86 also couldnt find my cdrom drive, so i flashed the bios and it now works.
03:29<Supaplex>bhagya: what do you mean by install xp? are you reserving space so you can install xp? are you installing debian, and you only have windows to boot from?
03:30<Supaplex>Arv3n: legacy pata option in the bios perhaps?
03:30<Arv3n>Supaplex, that would've helped drastically with osx86, and also now, but sadly.. no.
03:30<Arv3n>all i have is Sata 1 + 2, sata + 1, and enable/disabled raid
03:30<bhagya>Supaplex, i have already installed lenny on my laptop and now i want to install xp
03:30<Supaplex>Arv3n: so do you have a kernel that does work, and you want to use that? was it meant for d-i?
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03:31<Arv3n>not sure what di is, but..
03:31<bhagya>Supaplex, i want to dual boot xp and lenny
03:31<Arv3n>i have some kernels methinks.
03:31<Arv3n>i could figure out a way, Supaplex.
03:31<Arv3n>Supaplex, see here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
03:31<Supaplex>bhagya: I'm afraid I have little clue about installing windows. as far as I know, it's a little easier to install windows first, then linux.
03:31<Arv3n>Supaplex, correct.
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03:32<Arv3n>bhagya, if you really want to do all that, all you have to do is repartition, install windows, then reinstall grub on windows.
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03:32<Arv3n>Supaplex, the main goal here is to get it working with Parsix.
03:32<Supaplex>bhagya: ahh yes. /msg dpkg rescue
03:32<Supaplex>bhagya: install windows in the free space, then use rescue to redo grub.
03:33<Supaplex>Arv3n: do none of those iso images work for you?
03:33<Arv3n>Supaplex, I haven't tried them.
03:33<Arv3n>but i want parsix to work. :D
03:33<superview>hello, anybody have problem using iceweasel after upgrade to 3.0.9 in sid? i have a segmentation fault error.
03:33<bhagya>Arv3n, how do i do repartition ?
03:33<Supaplex>so you want to know if they'll work? what's the question?
03:33<Supaplex>superview: bts would know
03:34<Arv3n>bhagya, use gparted and resize your partitions from a live cd or somethink.
03:34<Supaplex>bhagya: use parted. /msg dpkg search
03:34<Arv3n>Supaplex, well, is there some type of workaround other than using that iso?
03:34<Arv3n>perhaps a boot option?
03:35<Arv3n>just something other than that? because, for the most part, i just want parsix to work. i could care less about debian (although debian is the root of the problem here)
03:35<bhagya>Arv3n, Supaplex : i will do some googling regarding repartition
03:35<Supaplex>I really don't know Arv3n.
03:35<Arv3n>same here, man. =/
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03:35<Arv3n>the really weird part is i installed debian just fine one day.
03:35<Supaplex>bhagya: google parted first. we already said this. :)
03:35<Arv3n>debian lenny.
03:36<Arv3n>everything ran like normal.
03:36<Arv3n>but that only happened once.
03:37<superview>in fact, my deluge also crash ... after gdb ... it shows something about libicu40
03:38<Arv3n>im not sure how debian can make such a crappy kernel.
03:38<Arv3n>they had 2 years to work on it.
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03:38<Arv3n>and i've also had problems with etch.
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03:38<Arv3n>especially when its not a very rare chipset. mind boggling.
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03:47<Supaplex>and what causes do you believe contribute to that?
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03:57<toliyr>hi guys :) I have just installed lenny(my first debian installation). I have the default sources.list, but when it comes to updating through aptitude I get: "Warning: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!". Any suggestions?
03:59<superview>aptitude update ... again to get the keyring.
04:00<Supaplex>iirc, it's apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade. I forget the factoid. no_pub_key or something like that.
04:00<simonrvn>!no pub key
04:01<simonrvn>!no public key
04:01<dpkg>Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/.
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04:02<deadcat>whats the best way to format a 1.5TB drive? in terms of inodes. partitions. i am using it for movies, mp3s, photos only.
04:02<deadcat>just default options ok?
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04:03<SlimeyPete>defaults will be fine
04:03<deadcat>k
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04:03<deadcat>its a seagate free agent. it has some windows software with ntfs.. i dont think i need it.
04:04<toliyr>superview: aptitute update did not help. I still get the same warning on aptitide upgrade
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04:05<superview>then install debian-keyring
04:05<llutz>deadcat: a "tune2fs -m 0 /dev/<your.disk>" might be usefull after using defaults to prevent wasting 5% of capacity
04:05<toliyr>is it a package ?
04:05<deadcat>llutz: oh ya. thats a must (=
04:06<superview>where are you pointing to ... you can change the source. something like http://http.us.xxxxx
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04:10<weasel>toliyr: what is your sources.list?
04:10<toliyr>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main
04:10<weasel>that all?
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04:11<toliyr>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
04:11<toliyr>thats all
04:11<weasel>paste the output of 'apt-cache policy; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' somewhere like on paste.debian.net
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04:14<toliyr>one sec plz to install sshd on the debian box(to copy paste)
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04:15<Cash>hi
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04:17<toliyr>weasel: its http://paste.debian.net/34830/
04:18<toliyr>you can also find the sources.list file
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04:18*weasel blinks
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04:21<weasel>toliyr: are you behind a broken web-proxy?
04:21<toliyr>as far as I know it is not broken. Would you like to bypass it ? It's a transparent squid
04:21<weasel>#
04:21<weasel>W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.6 80]
04:22<weasel>see, that worries me somehow
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04:22<toliyr>yes ... because it does not exist. But from the log files I have seen that it got Packages.gz
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04:24<weasel>I wonder what caused your apt to request it in the first place
04:24<weasel>Ganneff: any idea?
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04:25<weasel>toliyr: do you still get the unverified packages messages?
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04:26<toliyr>yeap
04:26<weasel>what happens when you bypass the proxy for the apt-get update?
04:26<weasel>can you do that easily?
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04:26<toliyr>after pressing "Y" to apt-get dist-upgrade I get: ... WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! ...
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04:27<toliyr>yes... one sec to disable the nat rule
04:28<toliyr>wow...
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04:28<toliyr>it worked
04:28<weasel>told you. your proxy is broken :)
04:28<toliyr>how did that happened ?
04:29<toliyr>how come ?
04:29<weasel>what do I know. it's your proxy
04:29<toliyr>Packages file does not exist it the specified location
04:29<toliyr>I will do a fresh install just to test it
04:29<toliyr>thank you very much guys
04:30<deadcat>should i setup encryption on a 1.5TB drive? if so what should i use? encfs?
04:30<weasel>luks?
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04:30<deadcat>or ext3 is good enough?
04:30<weasel>ext3 is not encryption.
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04:30<weasel>and it depends on what you want.
04:30<deadcat>weasel i know. but windows users dont know (=
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04:32<deadcat>or should i seutp dm_crypt?
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05:06<@Ganneff>weasel: when it cant verify the checksums it might talk about the uncompressed files. removing all in var/lib/apt/lists should help. IIRC
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05:27<_Elros_>hello, I'm using mdadm for a software raid with debian squeeze. Today after the upgrade I have a message at boot "no devices found for /dev/md0" and I can't boot my system. What can I do?
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05:28<_Elros_>I have seen in /proc/partitions that there aren't the sda partitions but only the partitions of the sdb disk
05:28<_Elros_>maybe could it be the partition table to be gone?
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05:40<toliyr>weasel: you were right. It was a proxy problem. I don't know yet what exactly but I'll give it a better look later.
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05:49<_Elros_>so I can assemble the partitions from a live system...but I can't boot the system cause of the problem "no devices found for /dev/md0"
05:49<_Elros_>someone can help me to understand the problem?
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05:59<weasel>Ganneff: I do wonder why it falls back to fetching the Packages file, instead of .bz2 or .gz
05:59<weasel>Ganneff: even more so because security doesn't have those
06:07<toliyr>since I am a debian newbie, I would like to know if there is any tool for reporting any vulnerabilities of the installed packages. I come from Gentoo which has glsa-check. Is there anything similar ?
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06:07<@Ganneff>weasel: wellwell
06:08<@Ganneff>toliyr: debsecan
06:08<toliyr>thank you. I'll read about it.
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06:11<blast_hardcheese>Is there a tool to check the SMART status of drives?
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06:12<petemc>smartmontools
06:14<toliyr>Final question: Is there any official server that I can use to rsync in order to have a local repository with the debian packages for my lan pc's?
06:15<toliyr>(or some similar way )
06:15<blast_hardcheese>petemc: Thanks
06:16<weasel>toliyr: do you really want to mirror a 300 gig repository for a few lan pcs?
06:17<toliyr>oh! I didn't knew it was so much. But with rsync only the first fetch would be difficult.
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06:17<toliyr>and i suppose that it would eventualy save me bandwidth
06:17<weasel>toliyr: there's on the order of 2 to 10 gigabytes of updates every day
06:17<blast_hardcheese>toliyr: Why not just get apt-proxy
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06:18<weasel>toliyr: I don't think you want a full mirror of the debian archive
06:18<blast_hardcheese>toliyr: It's a caching proxy server
06:18<weasel>toliyr: setup a cache, could even be squid, or only mirror things partially using e.g. debmirror
06:18<toliyr>so I install it on the gateway and it stores any deb that passes through it ?
06:19<toliyr>I am talking about apt-proxy
06:19<blast_hardcheese>toliyr: Read up on it, you modify your sources.list,
06:19<blast_hardcheese>it doesn't need to be on the gateway, just needs to be somewhere with space to spare
06:19<toliyr>ok. thanks
06:20<blast_hardcheese>yep
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06:47<pabs>how does one print out a directory tree like on http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianStable ?
06:48<pabs>I mean http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianStable#Directorystructure
06:48<petemc>tree
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06:49<_Elros_>hello, I still have the device panic "no devices found for /dev/md0" after today squeeze upgrade and I can't manage the situation...please help me
06:50<_Elros_>I can assemble the partions under a live system without any problem
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06:50<_Elros_>but at boot it complains about not founding the partitions
06:50<blast_hardcheese>_Elros_: Your root partition is on a RAID5?
06:50<blast_hardcheese>that seems unwise
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06:51<_Elros_><blast_hardcheese> no it is on raid0
06:51<blast_hardcheese>ah
06:51<_Elros_>i'm using mdadm
06:52<_Elros_>I tried to chroot in the system and update the initram
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06:52<_Elros_>but it didn't work
06:52<petern>raid0?
06:53<petern>hee hee
06:53<_Elros_>yes
06:53<_Elros_>but i also have some partitions in raid1 and they have the same problem
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06:53<_Elros_>it can't assemble any partion on my system
06:53<_Elros_>but I can assemble them using a live cd
06:54<_Elros_>so it's a boot problem
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06:55<_Elros_>any idea how to manage the situation?
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06:57<petern>does a fresh install fix it?
06:57<_Elros_>I don't want to do a fresh install
06:57<_Elros_>data are still there
06:57<petern>oh
06:57<petern>well your data's on a separate partition, isn't i?
06:57<petern>+t
06:57<_Elros_>yes
06:57<petern>so no problem there
06:58<_Elros_>but i can access to all partitions from a live cd
06:58<_Elros_>so I think it can be solved
07:01<pabs>petemc: thanks
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08:32<remoteCTR1>petemc, pidgin: symbol lookup error: pidgin: undefined symbol: purple_smileys_get_all that is what i get when i try with the backports version
08:35<locklace>don't you love it when your system breaks for want of purple smileys
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08:36<ml|>!purple_smileys
08:36<ml|>aww dpkg not around
08:36<ranix>stop using pidgin
08:36<remoteCTR1>actually i dont give a damn about the smileys i just want that ***** to work..
08:36<remoteCTR1>ranix ya ewhat else would i use for irc and icq in one app?
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08:37<ranix>remoteCTR1: screen
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08:37<ml|>for irc irssi cannot be beat in screen
08:38<remoteCTR1>and what about icq?
08:38<remoteCTR1>which is basically why i i am having the whole fuzz?
08:38<ml|>dunno I don't use icq
08:38<ranix>probably ysm
08:39<ranix>apt-cache search icq
08:39<ml|>heh
08:39<remoteCTR1>->pidgin :D
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08:39<ml|>remoteCTR1: what are you using now for irc?
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08:39<petemc>you could use bitlbee then use your irc client for all messaging protocols
08:39<remoteCTR1>xchat
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08:40<Cash>hi, i can't make a ZigBee dongle work, when I plug the device, dmesg give me : "ti_usb_3410_5052: probe of 5-4.2:1.0 failed with error -5"
08:40<ml|>there you
08:40<remoteCTR1>petemc, uhuh never heard of that...
08:40<petemc>well, now you have..
08:40<ml|>8go
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08:40<remoteCTR1>hehe yepp
08:41<ml|>http://www.bitlbee.org/
08:41<ml|>http://irssi.org/
08:42<remoteCTR1>ya this is again irc not icq
08:42<remoteCTR1>as you can see i am already connected to irc so no problwem there;)
08:42<ranix>irc is stupid
08:42<ranix>why do you even want to use irc
08:42<ranix>to talk to a bunch of trolls on the internet?
08:42<ranix>just get cable TV
08:42<ml|>true but you switch to irssi;)
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08:43<remoteCTR1>ranix, you do realize that you are talking in irc currently right?
08:43<ranix>what
08:43<ranix>I don't use irc
08:43<ml|>lol
08:43<remoteCTR1>rofl
08:43<ranix>this is bitchx
08:43<ranix>not irc
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08:44<locklace>...
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08:46<remoteCTR1>ranix iternet relay chat is the protocol not the client
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08:48<ranix>sorry guys I am just being silly
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08:48<ml|>ofcourse
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08:50<gsimmons>Cash: Please provide the full dmesg output at a paste site.
08:50<gsimmons>!paste
08:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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09:14<mount>which package is neede to work com port,i have hardware which is working on communication port it works properly in window xp but not works in abuntu
09:15<mount>please help me
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09:15<petemc>screen can talk to com ports
09:16<confrey>hi everybody
09:16<zhxk__>how to use spellcheck in xchat?
09:16<mount>i don't understand
09:16<adb>mount: try #ubuntu
09:17<mount>i have abuntu
09:17<marcot>Good morning. I have added the repository http://people.debian.org/~kov/webkit/ to my sources.list, and in /var/lib/apt/lists/localhost:9999_kov_._Packages I can see the Package: epiphany-webkit. But I got nothing with $ apt-cache show epiphany-webkit , and this package is not listed in aptitude.
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09:17<confrey>I've a lenny, I want to upgrade xserver-xorg-video-intel from experimental only.... I've added the exp repository adn made update, but nothing happens when I do apt-get upgrade xservr-xorg-video-intel
09:17<marcot>Yes, I have updated aptitude and apt-get update.
09:17<mount>petemc, idonot understand
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09:20<zhxk_>good got it. well i'm going to think having windows erased out to my computer.
09:21<zhxk_>good got it. well i'm going to think if it's ok to have windows erased out to my computer.
09:21<richi_>windows have erased my computer... ^^
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09:22<zhxk_>richi_: well, what do you mean?
09:24<richi_>oh just a short form of windows makes me crazy and i got 40 workstations...
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09:26<zhxk_>what is the short form?
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09:28<deniz>how come empathy 2.26 in squeeze doesnt show me the msn protocol? isnt msn supported in that version of empathy?
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09:28<marcot>deniz: You must install telepathy-butterfly.
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09:31<deniz>marcot, thanks! just one more question...does webcam and audio work with msn in this version?
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09:31<marcot>deniz: don't know.
09:31<deniz>marcot, do i need to install something for audio/video to work?
09:32<marcot>deniz: don't know either.
09:32<deniz>marcot, o, well thanks for getting msn to work atleast :)
09:32<marcot>=)
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09:34<m2rt>fuck...
09:34<m2rt>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kille the idle task!
09:36<m2rt>should I swap the ram memory?
09:36<m2rt>I mean re-seat...
09:36<m2rt>stupid...
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09:36<Karlb06>hi does anyone know about guppys
09:36<Karlb06>if so plese help
09:37<Karlb06>?
09:37<petemc>like, the goldfish?
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09:38<Karlb06>?
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09:38<petemc>a guppy is a small fish
09:39<Karlb06>lol
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09:39<m2rt>FUCK! The pc won't boot up when the ram is swapped between the slots.
09:39<Karlb06>i think one is pregnant when should i put her in a breeding tank
09:39<m2rt>And if I swap them back, then I will have the kernel panic thing..
09:40<Karlb06>?
09:40<petemc>Karlb06: cover her in breadcrumbs and deep fry for 7 minutes - delicious
09:40<Karlb06>?
09:40<Karlb06>why are ppl on here just fucking twats
09:40<m2rt><m2rt> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kille the idle task!
09:40<Karlb06>grow up and go talk shit on another site muppet
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09:41<m2rt>Karlb06! You talking to me?
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09:41<Karlb06>petemc not u
09:41<m2rt>heh :P thank god :p
09:42<Karlb06>tryu and get answer on here and all u get is shit
09:42<m2rt>chill man :?P
09:42<petemc>its not clear what a guppy is, in this context
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10:05<m2rt>Stupid debian, I can not add ram...now the server is slow.
10:05<petemc>its not stupid hardware?
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10:12<m2rt>petemc... well both. When PC boots up, then debian gets some error.
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10:16<zedboy>m2rt: yeah too bad all the debian error messages are in swahili
10:17<zedboy>m2rt: oh no, wait, they are in english! they can be understood and acted upon in a rational fashion! amazing!!
10:17<m2rt><m2rt> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kille the idle task!
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10:18<zedboy>m2rt: what happens before that?
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10:18<m2rt>zedboy! There are people who have this amazing ability to read, before being an asshole. Amazing. But you are not one of them.
10:18<m2rt>zedboy! Nothing. It just hangs... I let it stay on for 30 minutes.
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10:19<zedboy>m2rt: i kinda just sat down now, and my brian implant #debian feed is on the fritz at the moment, so i don't know what you said
10:20<m2rt>:p
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10:35<grifon> хелп)
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10:35<zhxk>what is carbon credit?
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10:36<amphi>nothing to do with debian ;)
10:37-!-logdaddy_ [~mcarter.t@75.23.48.150] has joined #debian
10:37<stevem__>I'll pander to his whims :P
10:37<stevem__>zhxk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_credit
10:38*stevem__ is ruining the idea of IRC one answer at a time
10:38<amphi>heh
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10:38<logdaddy_>test from mirc
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10:40<logdaddy_>test from mirc
10:40<grifon>Abylov program name and package for debian laziness ...
10:40<grifon> voschem works almost as sinaptik - ie sets deletes.
10:40<grifon> but its menu is not propisyvayutsya bags and immediately write the names of programs, with the description below.
10:40<grifon> tick put - program installed, uberaesh - udalyaetsya ....
10:40<grifon> easy thing, when there is no time to remember the truth then packages ... Ever need a little bit of korektirovat .. but оч rare.
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10:41<logdaddy>IRC Test
10:42<logdaddy_>mIRC test
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10:44<cahoot>who would publicly declar he uses mirc?
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10:46<m2rt>someone insane
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10:51<zhxk>does "troll" and "work" in a sentense often means "drive to work"?
10:51<jifix>does anyone have experience any problem with facebook myspace and orkut with lenny adn iceweasel?
10:52<amphi>zhxk: no
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10:53<zhxk>amphi:what does troll mean?
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10:54<wahabest>bjr
10:54<wahabest>ya kelk1???
10:54<wahabest>hello???
10:54<jifix>when i enter this sitez and open more than 2 tabs everything webpage continue loading but never complete
10:54<jifix>this happen with epithany too
10:54<jifix>can anyone help
10:54<jifix>?
10:55<amphi>zhxk: it has many meanings; a mythologic monster from Scandinavia, a method of fishing; on the internet, it usually means attempting to provoke pointless argument
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11:00<Stever_>It seems like everything I attempt to install I get the notorious message "Package xxxxxxxxxxx is not available, but is referred to by another package." What is the deal Debian. This reminds me of Microsoft stuffing things down my throat.
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11:00<zedboy>Stever_: um, sounds like your repositories are a little messed over.
11:00<Stever_>zedboy: I tried FireFox (I now know IceWeasal is the replacement) and now MSCorefonts
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11:01<jackyf>Stever_: pastebin you /etc/apt/sources.list
11:01<Stever_>zedboy: I just installed Debian. I feel boxed in with no flexibility. Am I missing something
11:01<jackyf>*your
11:01<zedboy>Stever_: yes. and if you follow the instructions ppl on this channel give you, we will help you figure out your problem and fix it.
11:01<zhxk>amphi:thinks for precise explain
11:02<zedboy>Stever_: but when you say something isn't working, you have to give us the exact command and exact output, via pastebin
11:02<zedboy>Stever_: starting with what jackyf asked you
11:02<Stever_>zedboy: OK semi-newbie, but geez I am trying just hte basics.
11:02<Stever_>Zedboy: When attempting to install MSCoreFonts I receive "Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package."
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11:03<Stever_>zedboy: it seems everything is referred to by another package.
11:03<zedboy>Stever_: you didn't do what i just told you to.
11:03<frunsk>hi have both iitalian and witalian installed, but for some reason when i write mails with evolution there is no italian spell check going on
11:03<zedboy>Stever_: or rather what jackyf told you to
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11:04<amphi>zhxk: perhaps you should ask such things in #debian-offtopic, though
11:05<Stever_>zedboy / jackyf: "pastebin" that's not a command
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11:05<zedboy>!tell Stever_ about pastebin
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11:06<Stever_>zedboy / jackyf: no disrespect whats !tell
11:06<Stever_>zedboy / jackyf: do you just want the repositories listed in the sources.list?
11:06<jackyf>stever_: do '/msg dpkg pastebin'
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11:07<jackyf>Stever_: yes, via pastebin
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11:07<Stever_>jackyf: I tried that command and received "bash: /msg: No such file or directory"
11:08<jackyf>ehm, no, in IRC
11:08<Stever_>jackyf: I know I can check it out synaptecs or just open the .list file up
11:08<jackyf>Stever_: not in console terminal
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11:09<Ascavasaion>I did an update through Synaptic and when I restarted the comupter X Server failed to start. I tried manually but it bombs out. I think it is the NVIDIA driver I had installed. I downloaded the latest driver and when I try to install it it tells me that there is no precompiled kernel interface to match my kernel and then attempts to download it from nvidia's FTP site and says there is none found and the installation exits as aborted.
11:10<Stever_>jackyf: thx. brb
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11:11<bja>Ascavasaion: You have to install the nvidia-kernel-2.6... to have it running
11:11<Ascavasaion>bja: That I get where?
11:11<Ascavasaion>bja: With aptget?
11:12<Stever_>jackf: http://paste.debian.net/34866
11:13<bja>Ascavasaion: You have to install the nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` with apt-get aptitude or the one of your choice
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11:14<bja>Ascavasaion:you have also to install the nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx
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11:14<jackyf>Stever_: nothing wrong with your sources.list, hm... then pastebin full command you run to install a package
11:14<gsimmons>Stever_: You'll need to append " contrib" to line 10 of your paste, in order to acquire msttcorefonts (now ttf-mscorefonts-installer).
11:14<jackyf>*full ouput
11:14<bja>Ascavasaion: This only if you have an nvidia monitor
11:14<jackyf>but iceweasel need to be in 'main'
11:15<jackyf>*output!
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11:16<bja>Ascavasaion: Imean an nvidia card
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11:16<bighornram>I get dropped connections frequently on wireless, mr. google indicates a bug, is there a workaround for this?
11:17<Stever_>jacky: could you please clarify "full output" and iceweasel The repositories on the paste server are listed
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11:18<Ascavasaion>bja: Okay, common and kernel are at the newest versions, but the glx is not... so I am installing that now.
11:21<Stever_>gsimmons: that took care of it. thanks.
11:22<Stever_>gsimmons: thanks.
11:23<Ascavasaion>bja: Yes, legacy TNT2.
11:23<Stever_>gsimmons / jackyf: thank you for your help. I made notes on the pastebin as well. Wonderful tool. Take care.
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11:25<zhxk>how to send a message that turns to be red and brings up with a ring?
11:25<eirik_>I am following a guide that tells me to use paprefs, but this is a server without X installed. Is there a way to change settings without using paprefs?
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11:26<gravity>Why do you need a sound server if you're not running X?
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11:26<eirik_>It is a sound server using MPD
11:27<httpd>oh cool...
11:27<eirik_>I'm getting 3 servers instead of SONOS or Logitec system
11:28<eirik_>I need to enable * Enable network access to local sound devices and * Don’t require authentication
11:29<gravity>I can't fathom mpd requiring pa
11:29<gravity>But I also don't use mpd, so...
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11:30<eirik_>It doesn't, but hey... do we realy need pulseaudio alltogether?
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11:30<messi>ola
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11:31<gravity>Well, pa solves a real need that mpd doesn't happen to have
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11:32<gravity>I mean, mpd is a sound server, so why does it need another sound server?
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11:34<eirik_>I just followed this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-get-mpd-running-with-pulseaudio-in-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron.html
11:34<eirik_>worked on my ubuntu workstation
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11:36<wnd>mpd is just a sound player daemon, pulseaudio is a sound system (like arts and esd)
11:37<wnd>and even though you didn't ask, imo pulseaudio is an endless source of trouble. fortunately I don't have to use it.
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11:38<eirik_>ok, so how do I go about getting the same result with alsa?
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11:44<wnd>I've only tried mpd so I don't really know it. if you're running mpd as normal user, try editing ~/.mpdconf and commenting the password out.
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11:55<zhxk>!seen
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12:09<deniz>how do I know if compiz supports my video card?
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12:10<gravity>other way around
12:11<gravity>deniz: What's your video card?
12:12<deniz>the following i think: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
12:12<wekt>Has anyone successfully run rpc.idmapd for NFS4? It's giving me an error. [fcntl(/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs/nfs): Invalid argument ] It looks like it may be the same as: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510119
12:12<deniz>gravity, ^^
12:12<gravity>deniz: It does, if 'glxinfo | grep direct' says "yes"
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12:18<deniz>gravity, http://pastebin.com/ma528a53 so i guess i cant use compiz? but i think it worked in ubuntu
12:18<deniz>gravity, i dont remember though, it was a long time ago but if i remember right, i had compiz working here
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12:19<gravity>deniz: Do you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed?
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12:19<deniz>gravity, ya
12:19<gravity>Why would you not have DRI?
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12:20<gravity>deniz: Can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file in a pastebin?
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12:21<deniz>gravity, http://pastebin.com/me71577b
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12:22<gravity>Oh, you're running vesa...
12:22<gravity>Well, that explains one part
12:23<gravity>deniz: Can you also pastebin your xorg.conf?
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12:24<gravity>This looks like a very old chip
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12:25<deniz>gravity, http://pastebin.com/m4e6e7642
12:26<deniz>gravity, well it's a 3gb ram with almost core 2 duo (pentium dual-core)
12:26<deniz>gravity, so integrated graphics shouldnt be that bad
12:26<gravity>deniz: I've just updated the pastebin for your xorg.conf. Basically try and force the intel driver and see how that works.
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12:28<deniz>gravity, url?
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12:30<gravity>deniz: Just add the line 'Driver "intel"' to the Device section
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12:32<pawel>how to make irssi batch script (start irssi, execute few commands, redirect output to file and close irssi)?
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12:34<bighornram>Is there a fix in Lenny for rtl8187 wireless dropping connections?
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12:36<chealer>gravity / deniz : "Mobile 4 Series Chipset" sounds vague to me
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12:36<chealer>deniz: did you try running update-pciids before lspci? if so, what's your full lspci output?
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12:37<chealer>bighornram: what's the bug number?
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12:38<bighornram>chealer: no idea, this machine used to stay online beautifully. now drops frequently. google turns up tons of questions about it but can't find any solutions.
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12:38<gravity>chealer: It shouldn't matter.
12:39<bighornram>chealer: my other machines don't have the problem (not rtl8187 drivers) on my network so it is the rtl8187
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12:40<chealer>bighornram: start by finding a bug report about it
12:42<chealer>gravity: it "shouldn't", but it does with the age of squeeze's video-intel. "Mobile 4 Series Chipset" sounds like perhaps GM45
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12:45<eirik_>name a command line mixer exept "amixer"
12:46<cahoot>never heard of an alternative
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12:47<amphi>what's wrong with amixer?
12:48<cahoot>eirik_: and you really mean command line - i e alsamixer is out ot bounds?
12:48<gravity>chealer: If the intel driver he has will support his chipset, then trying to enable it will do so. Otherwise it won't and he can go back to vesa. Having him run off to update his pci ID's doesn't help any.
12:48<eirik_>I'm not shure how it is suppose to look, but trough putty there are 50 lines and I can't wrap my head around it
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12:48<cahoot>eirik_: tried alsamixer?
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12:49<Aitor>bcnfhs
12:49<eirik_>cahoot: just did.. thanks!
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12:49<pawel>how can I grab IRC channel list to a file automatically in text mode?
12:49<gravity>And it sure won't help the intel driver support anything. It hardcodes its own list of what to support.
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12:50<chealer>gravity: well, assuming he does try to enable it (and that everything goes as expected), yes. which doesn't sounds like the clean way to me.
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12:53<eirik_>is there a way thoug
12:53<eirik_>is there a way thoug command line to test if there is actually sound?
12:53<cahoot>speaker-test -t wav -c2
12:54<cahoot>(provided you actually are in hearing distance)
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12:55<eirik_>cahoot: I am. Sadly no sound
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12:55<cahoot>no error?
12:55<eirik_>no
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12:55<eirik_>flaying front left, front right over and over again
12:55<cahoot>eirik_: only one soundcard according to cat /proc/asound/cards?
12:55<amphi>!tell eirik_ -about alsa checklist
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12:56<eirik_> 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
12:56<eirik_> Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1980 at irq 17
12:56<cahoot>eirik_: run (as root) invoke-rec.d alsa-utils reset 0
12:56<cahoot>eirik_: err invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
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12:57<eirik_>still no sound
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12:57<AzaTht>anyone here an expert regarding dbconfig-common?
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12:57<cahoot>eirik_: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dps* return anything?
12:58<cahoot>eirik_: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
12:58<AzaTht>was hoping be able to ask seanius but he seems not be around
12:59<eirik_>cahoot: Cannot stat /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory
12:59<cahoot>eirik_: at this stage I'd check the hardware
13:00<cahoot>eirik_: from alsa's POW all is fine
13:00<eirik_>cahoot: it is a internal MB soundcard
13:00<cahoot>eirik_: and speakers?
13:00<cahoot>cabling?
13:01<eirik_>speakers are 4x12" ;)
13:01<eirik_>with amp
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13:01<cahoot>so lots of hw to look at
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13:01<eirik_>ohh, hardware is working. If i plug it to my workstation it works just fine
13:02<eirik_>is there a mute/unmute feature in alsamixer?
13:02<eirik_>I'm assuming MM is mute and 00 is go!
13:02<cahoot>correct
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13:03<cahoot>eirik_: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 should unmute and set reasnoable levels though
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13:04<eirik_>cahoot: all is good in that department
13:04<cahoot>eirik_: confused the connectors?
13:05<eirik_>cahoot: I thing maybe I forgot to add user so group sound. "Ashamed"
13:05<cahoot>eirik_: doh
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13:06<cahoot>should have given some error msg though
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13:06<cahoot>if that was the reason
13:06<eirik_>sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav gives me static.. is that the wav file?
13:07<cahoot>use speaker-test
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13:07<cahoot>eirik_: are we discussing an ubuntu setup?
13:07<eirik_>cahoot: works like a charm ;) Thanks for the help
13:08<eirik_>cahoot: It's ubuntu server edition
13:08<cahoot>will never speak to you again
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13:09<eirik_>cahoot: why?
13:09<eirik_>cahoot: It's an MPD server
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13:10<eirik_>tucked away by my stereo?
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13:12<eirik_>cahoot: Ok, answer me one last time. Am I better off with desktop Ubuntu and deinstalling x ?
13:13<ranix>!gtfo
13:13<dpkg>hmm... gtfo is get the fsck out
13:13<ranix>!ubuntu
13:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:15<deniz>gravity, thank you, what you suggested worked and i can use compiz now but lenny's compiz makes keyboard shortcuts not work so is there some newer compiz i can use in lenny?
13:15<LutOr->hello world i have got a problem with my firewall iptables and nulog
13:15<LutOr->can you help me ?
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13:16<weasel>hard to tell
13:16<weasel>you didn't even ask a question yet
13:16<ranix>well, technically he did ask if we could help
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13:16<ranix>that is A question
13:16<weasel>ah
13:17<weasel>then the answer is no
13:17<weasel>he's beyond help
13:17<ranix>an answer for every question
13:17<weasel>happy to serve
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13:18<LutOr->the state entry in my db is NULL and nulog use state of 0
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13:19<gravity>deniz: I don't know about that, sorry.
13:19<LutOr->soory for my bad english but i am franch....
13:19<gravity>deniz: You can check backports.org though
13:19<weasel>!debian-fr
13:19<dpkg>debian-fr is, like, an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/
13:19<weasel>maybe
13:19<weasel>hmm.
13:19<weasel>!fr
13:19<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
13:19<weasel>better :)
13:20<deniz>gravity, checked and nothing there
13:20<weasel>LutOr-: anyway, I don't know nulog but maybe your db is fscked?
13:20<gravity>deniz: I'm not sure then, sorry.
13:20<cahoot>I still can't understand why all those entries also are in english
13:20<ranix>cahoot: so people who only speak english know what has been said
13:21<LutOr->'debian no-reply at this question...
13:21<weasel>ranix: because this is an english speaking channel and dpkg is our bit^Whelper?
13:21<deniz>gravity, its ok but thanks for fixing my major issue
13:21<LutOr->weasel i have creat my db with script of nulog
13:22<gravity>deniz: Someone who runs compiz would be sure to have more to tell you
13:22<ranix>LutOr-: is english perhaps not your first language?
13:22<ranix>LutOr-: I'm having trouble following
13:23<ranix>oh
13:23<ranix>that's why we had this non-english talk
13:23<ranix>excuse me
13:23<LutOr->sorry man's i must go
13:24<cahoot>de rien
13:24<ranix>auf wietersehen
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13:24<ranix>wied^
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13:26<twofisher>does it matter if the partitions are encrypted (default encrypted debian install) when making a raid1 (after the installation)
13:27<twofisher>(software raid1)
13:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
13:31<bja>ranix: Auf Wiedersehen is the right spell :))
13:31<cahoot>aus weitersehen?
13:32<bja>cahoot: I'm not sure if that is the right flemish spelling
13:32<cahoot>plattdeutsch?
13:33<ranix>I wanted to be ironic by telling the french guy specifically "auf wiedersehen" after someone had just said 'de rien'
13:33<ranix>mdr
13:33<ranix>but, it didn't work as I had planned
13:33<bja>cahoot: Nop Just able to understand it a little
13:33<cahoot>irc never does
13:34<cahoot>bja: it was just a tryout of neologism
13:35<bja>cahoot: Keep on trying you might be able to push it mainstream :)
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13:37<bja>BTW I'm still stuck with my virtual network
13:37<bja>I need to do nat on my virtual network, which needs to be in a different subnet from the REAL network.
13:37<ranix>sounds like a virtual headache
13:38<bja>nop a REAL HEADACHE
13:38<ranix>do you have to hop a backbone to send a real headache from a virtual NAT
13:38*bja takes the last of his aspirins with vodka to ease the pain
13:39<bja>nop just a normal lan with ethernet routers.
13:40<bja>The vm have to be ssh from the real network and those have to connect using nfs
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13:42<Shenchu>hello
13:43<Shenchu>could anybody help me?
13:43<ranix>!anyone
13:43<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
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13:43<ranix>I think I meant ask-to-ask but I forget
13:43<ranix>Shenchu: anyway ask the question
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13:44<Shenchu>ok my problem ist this I dont know how I install the real graphic driver, Im new with debian, I am a pure windows user before, drop and click ;-)
13:44<gravity> "the real graphic driver"?
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13:45<Shenchu>dont know if is the graphic installed, I think know because the video streams on youtube are not driving liquid
13:45<d4rkl0rd>hello, can anybody help me with nfs? i got error when mounting with nfsvers=3 option (client and server are both debian stable)
13:45<Shenchu>-know - no
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13:45<twofisher>shenchu: do you know if you have an ATi or nvidia graphics card?
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13:46<Shenchu>yes I have a nvidia
13:46<twofisher>if you want their proprietary drivers, the debian wiki provides neat explanations to install them
13:46<twofisher>ok, sec
13:46<twofisher>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free
13:46<Shenchu>I had downloaded this data NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.51-pkg1 on the nvidia website but I dont know how I install it
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13:47<Shenchu>ok thank you very much, I have to look
13:47<Shenchu>brb
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14:07<deniz>how do i make the text in my operating system change size or font etc?
14:07<d4rkl0rd>anybody to help me with NFS?
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14:08<ghantoos>deniz: "System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Fonts" ?
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14:08<steffan>deniz: what operating system is that?
14:09<deniz>steffan, lenny
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14:10<ruben>Does anyone know how to force 1024 x 678 resolution?
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14:12<steffan>deniz: read the docs
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14:13<ruben>Anyone? I would be grateful, I am stuck with 800 x 600 atm
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14:14<Piet>i recall there's some development kernel image pakage APT archive. where would i find that?
14:14<dr|z3d>ruben: grandr might work, perhaps?
14:14<ruben>What is that?
14:14<rutski>in bash, I can do 'foo &' to have the process run in the background
14:14<dr|z3d>apt-cache search grandr
14:14<rutski>but if I do 'foo' and then hit CTRL-Z it sort of "stops"
14:14<rutski>it goes to the bg, but it stops
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14:15<rutski>is there any CTRL-<KEY> that foregrounds a process in the same way as 'foo &'?
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14:15<ruben>Will that change it for gnome as well?
14:16<dr|z3d>Should do. It's expressly written for gnome/gtk.
14:16<ruben>Cool
14:16<ruben>I will try that
14:18<ruben>The most grandr will let me set it to is 800 x 600
14:18<ruben>On other distros I have had to force it with a vesa driver
14:18<ghantoos>ruben: ctrl-z
14:18<ghantoos>oups
14:18<ghantoos>rutski: crtl+z
14:19<ruben>Right, I will deal with it later
14:19<ruben>I'm off
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14:22<chealer>Piet: #debian-kernel
14:22<chealer>d4rkl0rd: just ask your question
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14:24<rutski>ghantoos: wait... huh?
14:24<rutski>ghantoos: no; as I already said, ctrl+z literally halts the process.
14:24<rutski>e.g. if I start a GUI app via an xterm, and ctrl+z it, it will become unresponsive
14:25<rutski>I want to background it in the terminal, while keeping it responsive
14:25<rutski>as if I had done 'fooapp &'
14:25<amphi>ctrl-z & bg
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14:27<ghantoos>rutski: ctrl-z does not halt process, but puts it in the background
14:27<ghantoos>rutski: as amphi said enter bg after the ctrl+z
14:27<rutski>ah, sweet; yea
14:27<rutski>that worked :)
14:29<amphi>ghantoos: ctrl-z sends a SIGSTOP
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14:30<ghantoos>amphi: right, my bad
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14:33<d4rkl0rd>chealer: I cannot mount NFS with option nfsvers=3
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14:34<d4rkl0rd>chealer: got-> mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'trashbox' failed: RPC Error: Program/version mismatch
14:34<d4rkl0rd>both server and client are deb stable
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14:37<deniz>how can I make my GNOME panels be like spherical and black like vista but remain the way they are otherwise?
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14:42<amphi>deniz: use a suitable gtk theme
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14:43<deniz>amphi, but how do i make ONLY the panels change looks?
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14:45<amphi>deniz: no idea - I don't use gnome
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14:49<DuCkNeT>need help installing debian 5.0 with raid 1
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15:07<simonrvn>!ask
15:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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15:08<andacsi>vannak itt magyarok?
15:08<andacsi>segítség kéne
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15:09<andacsi>xubuntu támában
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15:09<andacsi>hogy kell xubuntuban root ként belépni?
15:09<andacsi>azt tudom hogy recovery modban kel indítani
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15:17<adb>!hu
15:17<dpkg>i heard hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
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15:36<Zviper>any reason why i'm getting this error?
15:36<Zviper>tar -xjvf torrentflux-b4rt_1.0-beta2.tar.bz2
15:36<Zviper>bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
15:36<Zviper>tar: Child returned status 2
15:36<Zviper>tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
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15:36<d4rkl0rd>Zviper: error is described... not a bz2 file, maybe corrupt header
15:37<Zviper>i've downloaded this on other boxes, same release
15:37<Zviper>from same source
15:37<d4rkl0rd>Zviper: try to re-get the file
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15:37<Zviper>tried, same error
15:38<amphi>Zviper: what does file say it is?
15:38<Zviper>oh actually im dumb i grabbed the wrong link
15:38<d4rkl0rd>Zviper: and what about trying extract it with bunzip2
15:38<d4rkl0rd>:)
15:38<d4rkl0rd>problem solved
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15:38<Zviper>no, yeah i got it working thanks
15:38<amphi>Zviper: you got an html file? ;)
15:39<Zviper>yeah haha
15:39<Zviper>but it downloaded as .bz2
15:39<Zviper>that's why i was confused
15:39<Zviper>but i also did notice it grabbed it at 129mB/s
15:39<amphi>I've done that before from sf.net
15:39<amphi>file(1) is your friend
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15:49<d4rkl0rd>still nobody to resolve my nfsvers=3 (RPC Error: Program/version mismatch) problem?
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15:50<locklace>you're not the same guy from yesterday are you
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15:53<d4rkl0rd>no
15:54*bja runs for his lie detector and sits locklace in one corner and d4rkl0rd on the other
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15:55<amphi>there are many lr0ds
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16:10<locklace>d4rkl0rd: sorry, debugging the kernel
16:11<locklace>d4rkl0rd: paste your complete client and server nfs configuration and the command you are using to try to mount
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16:11<locklace>d4rkl0rd: and the output of rpcinfo -p against the server
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16:12<locklace>d4rkl0rd: and the output of "ps axww | egrep 'nfs|rpc'" from the server
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16:14<napoly>hello debian plp.. I have on my laptop [1280x800] ugly big fonts.. how can I change it?..
16:14<deadcat>is there an issue with debian and a 1.5TB drive? i can mount, but when i try to copy tons of movies over. it says "not enough space" or something like that.
16:15<napoly>looking at the /etc/fonts/conf.d with no clue
16:15<dondelelcaro>deadcat: depends on the filesystem.
16:15<deadcat>dondelelcaro: ext3
16:15<dondelelcaro>deadcat: shouldn't be a problem
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16:15<deadcat>dondelelcaro: ok. i'll troubleshoot more when i get home...
16:16<dondelelcaro>you can't make dos partitions on it, but other than that it should work file
16:16<dondelelcaro>s/file/fine/
16:16<deadcat>dondelelcaro: and i cant get nvidia-kernel-source to compile for 2.6.29-1-bigmem
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16:17<deadcat>dondelelcaro: ya. i just need ext3. i might setup dm-crypt on it...
16:18<dondelelcaro>deadcat: no, I mean you can't have a dos partition table on the thing. It has to be GFS or whatever the newer system is
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16:19<dondelelcaro>deadcat: it doesn't suprise me that nvidia-kernel-source doesn't build with 2.6.29; you'll probably have to wait for it to get updated
16:20<dondelelcaro>#520706 is the bug you're looking for
16:20<dondelelcaro>!dbugs 520706
16:20<dpkg>#520706:S[nvidia-kernel-source] nvidia-kernel-source: fails to build modules against 2.6.29 or later linux-headers packages (); Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:21:02 UTC [521587]
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16:23<bja>locklace: what are the lines for d4rkl0rd suppose to output?
16:23<bja>locklace: what are the lines for d4rkl0rd suppose to output?
16:24<d4rkl0rd>locklace: problem solved, i want to know which of debian developers put "--no-nfs-version 3" into init.d script... day of debugging wasted :( but works fine now
16:24<locklace>d4rkl0rd: haha, that was the same problem the guy yesterday ran into
16:24<locklace>d4rkl0rd: file a bug i guess
16:25<d4rkl0rd>i have never mentioned that this option would be there...
16:25<d4rkl0rd>damn
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16:29<deadcat>dondelelcaro: oh. i mean i fdisk and deleted everything. then created a linux partition, ext3 on the drive.
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16:35<zlpst>hello
16:35<bja>!ask
16:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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16:37<zlpst>i'm having trouble getting the keyboard and the touchpad to work right on my laptop, in debian lenny
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16:37<zlpst>my touchpad is jumping arround and my keyboard gets locked
16:38<bja>zlpst: What brand of touchpad, which laptop and what kind of keyboard do you have?
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16:39<zlpst>its a dell xps m1530 laptop, other then that i dont know
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16:40<bja>zlpst: Dual boot?
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16:41<zlpst>yes its dual boot
16:43<bja>zlpst: On risk of beeing exorcised here, take a dive to your other system and get above all your hardware information, it happens to be very useful to get things working.
16:44<bja>zlpst: Different hardware needs different tweaking
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16:44<bja>zlpst: see you in half an hour.
16:44<zlpst>lol
16:45<locklace>zlpst: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70349
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16:49<zlpst>bja: i found a site that says that adding i8042.nomux=1 in the kernel parameter should fix my problem, how do i do that?
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17:14<hachi>hi all, I need to find a copy of libperl-dev 5.8.8-12
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17:14<hachi>where can I find this?
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17:16<themill>hachi: that's not been in debian for quite some time.... what are you trying to do?
17:16<hachi>I have an oldstable box
17:16<hachi>that was partially testing
17:16<hachi>so further than oldstable, but not stable
17:17<themill>old-lenny...
17:17<hachi>I can't upgrade to stable because it gets rid of things like 'modperl'
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17:18<hachi>old-lenny?
17:18<themill>hachi: there's a perl 5.8 to perl 5.10 transition between where you are on that box and lenny. Also apache1.3 is dropped in favour of apache2.2, which might be relevant here. modperl still exists though!
17:18<hachi>no, it's modperl2 now
17:18<hachi>but yes
17:18<hachi>also the apache drop
17:18<hachi>and the fact that the 5.10 upgrade kills all my other perl modules
17:18<hachi>basically, too heavy a change
17:19<hachi>so I'm trying to find a libperl-dev that I can install so that I can limp along till I upgrade in proper
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17:20<hachi>think I found it
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17:24<enouf>dondelelcaro: do you mean there's a limit on size of DOS partition tables? if so, what is that size? and i think you mean GPT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table (as newish style table) and deadcat - creating partitions using fdisk is using DOS style partition tables - see the GNU parted site as well
17:24<themill>hachi: snapshots might have it, but be aware that you've got a box full of packages with know vulnerabilities.... upgrading is something you really should be doing sooner rather than later.
17:24<enouf>dondelelcaro: or .. did you mean vfat or other stuff like dos 6.x partitions?
17:25<themill>hachi: btw how many custom-compiled perl modules do you have?
17:25<deadcat>enouf: no. i dont need dos, have a 1.5TB drive. cleared partition. created linux partition. ext3 fs, but when i copy fies over it says "not enough space on drive" something like that.
17:25<hachi>themill: yeah, I know
17:25<hachi>but I have to rewrite my app to run under apache2 before I can do that
17:26<hachi>what I'm doing instead is depricating the box
17:26<hachi>and moving things off
17:26<enouf>deadcat: i saw that .. ok .. listen .. pastebin output of fdisk -l ; hdparm -I /dev/name please
17:26<enouf>deadcat: that's a capital i, not an L
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17:27<enouf>erm in the hdparm command
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17:27<enouf>dondelelcaro: nm, (i could easily look up any DOS partition table limitations)
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17:36<dondelelcaro>enouf: I meant GPT, and it seems that the limitation is actually 2T for MBR style partition tables
17:36<LFH>how can I found a recent back version of a debian pacakge? I couldn't find it on snapshot.debian.net
17:36<dondelelcaro>LFH: if it's no longer distributed by us, that's where you'd find in in thoery
17:36<enouf>dondelelcaro: yes, i thought it was somewhere ~ the 2TB mark ..
17:37<dondelelcaro>LFH: however, it's been falling into disrepair recently; there's an effort to bring up a system which will replace it
17:37<enouf>dondelelcaro: however; i don't think you can choose GPT as an option without EFI .. but that
17:38<enouf>s where LVM comes in
17:38<LFH>dondelelcaro, it seems to not contain pacakges that weer added (but later supreesed) in 2009
17:38<enouf>but deadcat shou;dn't be having issues - unless .. well .. i'll wait to see the pastebin
17:39<deadcat>enouf: not at home.. will do that tonight.
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17:39<enouf>deadcat: ok - is it an Hitachi drive? is it mounted in an external enclosure? on a special controller?
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17:39<LFH>so I am looking for dictionaries-common 1.0.0 (on snapshot I can only find until .98.5 whcih is older than lenny's
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17:40<deadcat>enouf: seagate free-agent usb2
17:40<enouf>ugh ... hrm ..
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17:40<dondelelcaro>LFH: any particular reason why you need it?
17:41<enouf>there was this issue with them falling asleep - even during a file transfer (rw I/O) but not anymore in recent kernels
17:41<deadcat>enouf: i have 2.6.26
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17:42<deadcat>enouf: will find out later.
17:42<enouf>deadcat: shouldn't be that issue then
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17:46<LFH>dondelelcaro, recently my ispell is buggy, (bug #523486, I think it needs this patch: http://patches.ubuntu.com/d/dictionaries-common/extracted/950_ispell.el_with-no-warnings.dpatch) but as I was happpy before 1.2.0 I just want a quick fix now
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17:51<Oyashiro>is it posible to attach using screen to already atached sesion ?
17:53<bja>anyone has played with vde2?
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17:55<bja>ok lets rephrase, what are the names of the commands associated with the vde2 package, or if there is a way to get them?
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17:55<petemc>bja: dpkg -L bda|grep bin
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17:56<petemc>erm, dpkg -K vde2
17:56<petemc>fuck!
17:56<bja> whats the output on that one??
17:56<bja>:)
17:57<petemc>:)
17:58<Hessophanes>Oyashiro: screen -x ?
17:59<Oyashiro>Hessophanes thnx, exacly what i was looking for
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18:04<TheKingsRaven>hi all, quick command line question
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18:04<TheKingsRaven>if I have a folder with symbolic links, is there a command to replace them with full copies or hard links?
18:04<TheKingsRaven>(all links are on the same mountpoint)
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18:05<locklace>folder, hehe
18:06<TheKingsRaven>oops, must be tierd
18:06<TheKingsRaven>I havn't used that word for years
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18:06<bja>mocp -f
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18:07*bja full of shame sets his terminal strait
18:07<locklace>TheKingsRaven: anyway, yes, it's easy to do
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18:08<TheKingsRaven>oh good :) what's the command?
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18:12<dkr>TheKingsRaven: cp -aL dir dir2 will give you a copy of dir with all symlinks dereferenced
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18:13<petemc>find . -lname \* |while read a; do readlink -f "$a" | while read b ; do cp "$b" . ; done ; done
18:13<petemc>messy, and probably a bit silly
18:13<dkr>yeah, cp -L a lot easier. :)
18:13<TheKingsRaven>thanks :)
18:13<petemc>:)
18:13<dkr>although wasting space
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18:14<deniz>is there a reason y squeeze hasn't had any updates in such a long time?
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18:15<ParaboloVVV>hi there
18:15<amphi>deniz: there were some but hours ago
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18:16<deniz>amphi, o because i apt-get updated this morning and nothing
18:16<deniz>for a long time now
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18:17<deniz>amphi, any popular packages updated?
18:17<amphi>I forget what the updates were ;)
18:17<bja>How do i find out the UUID of a network?
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18:18<freehood4all>anyone have any luck compiling rtorrent 0.8.2 / libtorrent 12.2 on Debian Lenny?
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18:19<adama>judd: versions rtorrent
18:19<judd>adama: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.7.9-2.2 squeeze: 0.7.9-2.2 experimental: 0.8.4-2
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18:21<freehood4all>adama: I need the latest stable though... I've seen guides and done it before on Etch but nothing on Lenny
18:21<adama>freehood4all: what kind of problems are you having compiling it?
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18:23<freehood4all>actually I'm having problems compiling anything using a Phenom II proc
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18:24<sh1>hi, does anyone know where to put custom jar files in the Ubuntu java installation?
18:24<themill>sh1: ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
18:24<sh1>i tried making ~/jar and changing the classpath, but it didn't work
18:24<nach>sh1: #ubuntu is >> way
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18:26<nach>!greetings
18:26<dpkg>hello, nach
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18:29<rzz8509>has anyone gotten the new cricket broadband adapter working if not any idea on how to blacklist it's usb drive-ness?
18:31<sh1>oh sorry, xchat connected me to #debian automatically
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18:31<rzz8509>hello
18:32<nach>rzz8509: do you get to watch cricket?
18:32<adama>!bird
18:32<dpkg>Have a middle digit
18:32<adama>:(
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18:32<rzz8509>no cricket is the bargin wireless retailer in this area (st Louis
18:33<nach>rzz8509: I meant the sport, never mind.
18:34<rzz8509>i know i have no sense of humor after dealing with this bastard usb-drive/ usb modem
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18:34<adama>why would it appear as a drive?
18:35<bja>the same way an ipod touch appears as a camera :)
18:35<nach>rzz8509: I've heard it works without a hitch on newer kernels, which one are you on?
18:35<rzz8509>adama it does that so you can install the drivers for windows or osX
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18:36<rzz8509>nach 2.6.26-2-686 lenny
18:36<rzz8509>stock
18:36<rzz8509>nach tried it on new ubuntu 9.04 also
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18:38<nach>rzz8509: is it a huawei usb thingy?
18:38<rzz8509>elseware online i heard that if you use it in a windows vm and then give controol back to host it can work
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18:39<rzz8509>nach it's a cal comp a600
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18:49<bja>Does anyone know how to get the compile time options of a certain package under Debian. Spcifically I'm lookin for kvm's ones
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18:55<bja>shoragan: hello
18:55<dkr>install the source package
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18:58<bja>How do i see when someone was last seen on this channel?
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19:02<adb>last bja
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19:06<themill>bja: /msg dpkg seen <nick> can sometimes help too
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19:09<bja>adb: thanks
19:09<bja>themill thanks, is there a documantation on dpkg bot?
19:10<themill>!bot help
19:10<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
19:10<themill>a little
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19:11<SQlvpapir>I feel the curse :( http://xkcd.com/456/
19:12<adama>NOT GENTOOOOOOoo
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19:14<locklace>http://funroll-loops.info
19:14<locklace>etc.
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19:36<SQlvpapir>locklace: good laugh, thanks
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19:53<freehood4all>!bot help
19:53<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
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20:13<bja> when you tipe ls -l your first columns are the permisions, what does drwxrwxrwt means I'm questioned about the "t"
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20:15<dkr>sticky bit
20:15<bja>meanning?
20:15<dkr>man chmod
20:15<bja>I'm on it
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20:18<themill>!permissions
20:18<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232>
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20:18<bja>dkr: thxs, Just got the idea straight
20:19<Guest191>hello you cock sucker mother fucker de crisse de tabarnak
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20:34<bja>cahibi: Bon nuit
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20:56<deniz>any1 know of an open source ext3 filesystem defragmenter? pyfragtools stopped working as of etch and earlier ubuntu versions
20:57<deniz>in repositories or not
20:57<deniz>for lenny
20:57<deniz>and greater
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21:17<deniz>does ext3 defragment itself or does it just prevent fragmentation from occuring in the first place as much as it can?
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21:19<tantradnya>#xubuntu
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21:31<bja>deniz: Take a look at how ext3 works on a *nix system you shouldn't need to defrag.
21:31<deniz>bja, well in some cases such as tremendous torrenting, ive read that it degrades performance a little bit although no way near windows
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21:32<bja>deniz: an easy way to defragment, is get an other disk, copy everything onto it and then back. Voiala, your disk is fully defragmented
21:33<deniz>bja, so cut and pasting files around defragments it automatically?
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21:34<deniz>bja, well not fully but does it somewhat?
21:34<bja>deniz: more or less you could say so.
21:34<deniz>deniz, does that apply for fat32, ntfs, etc also or not?
21:35<bja>deniz: I would never move a file in an ntfs disk from linux although it can be made, its not an open standard, you allways get the chance to screw things up
21:35<ml|>!tell deniz -about ext3
21:35<deniz>bja, no im just asking for knowledge purposes
21:35<deniz>if i do the same in windows
21:36<deniz>does that also defragment?
21:36<deniz>or it doesn't and thats y we need to actually defragment the drive
21:36<deniz>or one of the reasons y
21:36<bja>deniz: Windows and linux are two diferent cats that you have to skin diferently
21:36<ml|>deniz: in windows no
21:37<ml|>still need to defrag
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21:38<ml|>!tell deniz -about filesystems
21:39<ml|>!tell deniz -about defrag
21:39<bja>ml|: its all yours, I have to go now
21:40<bja>deniz: You need to read a lot more about filesystems and linux. Take care
21:40<ml|>bja: l8r
21:40<ml|>deniz: read messages from dpkg
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21:46<Athos_Xu>hi
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21:50<Athos_Xu>my mouse have serious problem in gdm,anyone can help me?
21:51<dondelelcaro>Athos_Xu: best to just ask your question
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21:52<Athos_Xu>everything in gdm is fine,but the mouse icon appearsabnormalsince i login to gdm
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21:55<Athos_Xu>i was told that there is a conflict between the latest version and the gdm
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21:56<Athos_Xu>and my version is linux-image-2.6.686
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22:30<acu01>does anyone knows a recent book on Cyrus mail server ? - I am agonizing since few days whether I should use/learn Cyrus or Dovecot - and it seem that Cyrus is scalable and would like to implement it
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22:31<kevc>acu01: considered courier?
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22:33<acu01>kevc: no, I did not look at it seriously - I do not know why - dovecot is promoted as easier to install and cyrus most scalable and groupware oriented - maybe I should look at courier too - why would I choose curier ?
22:35<acu01>I am thinking Debian Lenny - Postfix - Cyrus - Postgresql
22:35<acu01>Any sugestions out there
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22:39<kevc>I remember cyrus sounding better in theory
22:39<kevc>but courier being the most practical
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22:40<kevc>acu01: I guess it depends on how big your userbase is going to be and what they need to do with it
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22:46<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
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22:47<bishop>hello :-)
22:47<Ethaniel>Anyone has some experience with XFCE? I know this is a Debian channel, but nobody says a thing in XFCE's channel for some reason.
22:48<bishop>i have an extreemly limited experiance with xfce so probly cant help much :-)
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22:51<Ethaniel>I'm just having a problem with the logout button. It is showing a weird error. Something about "Failed to receive a reply from the session manager".
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22:53<bishop>what happens if you try restart instead? same error?
22:56<Ethaniel>I usually have one button, before I installed XFCE 4.6, I just needed to press logout and then a window shows Restart/Logout/Shutdown options, but now I have this weird error.
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22:57<Nemoder>Ethaniel: is xfce4-session running?
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22:57<Ethaniel>Hmmmm... I can't see it in the Task Manager...
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22:58<Ethaniel>I have "x-session-manager", but no "xfce-session".
22:58<Ethaniel>Nor "xfce4-session".
22:59<bishop>do you have compiz installed by anychance?
22:59<Nemoder>x-session-manager is probably a symlink to xfce4-session
22:59<Nemoder>though you should probably confirm that it is
23:01<Ethaniel>Looks like "x-session-manager" is a virtual package. It's "gnome-session" for GNOME, "ksmserver" for KDE and "xfce4-session" for XFCE, so I guess it's running.
23:01<Ethaniel>No compiz here, bishop.
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23:03<Nemoder>you can use ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
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23:04<Ethaniel>Yeap, xfce4-session shows up.
23:04<Ethaniel>Maybe the rest of the error can help. It says "The name org.xfce.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files"
23:05<Ethaniel>Honestly, no idea.
23:06<Nemoder>wonder if it uses dbus to communicate
23:06<Nemoder>might see if that's running
23:07<Ethaniel>I have two "dbus-daemon" and one "dbus-launch" here.
23:07<Nemoder>have you tried restarting X since the update?
23:08<Ethaniel>I rebooted the system via console several times.
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23:11<Ethaniel>(sigh) I guess the lesson of the day is: "Stick with the repositories, don't try anything funny". :(
23:12<Nemoder>ah, mixing stable/unstable?
23:13<Ethaniel>No, just trying to install XFCE 4.6 when it's not available for Lenny yet.
23:13<Ethaniel>I should cut my fingers...
23:14<Nemoder>4.6 just entered squeeze
23:14<Nemoder>but yes i'd say wait for a backport if you want to keep using lenny
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23:15<Ethaniel>Well, I'll just reinstall to fix this mess. Thanks anyway. :)
23:16<Ethaniel>Gotta go, my girlfriend is yelling at the cell phone. Take care everyone.
23:16<Nemoder>heh and xfce4-session just updated in squeeze within the last hour
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23:19<bosco>i have a prob i have installed windows and ubuntu but i have a partition that is ntfs so that way both os can read it so i can put stuff in there but then it installed these files there for some reason why is that http://www.boscoslife.com/1.png i installed ubuntu first then widnows
23:19<bosco>?
23:20<Nemoder>!ubuntu
23:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:21<bosco>srry wrong room
23:21<bosco>Nemoder,
23:21<bosco>just relized
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23:21<ditoh>hello
23:21<ditoh>hola
23:21<ditoh>alguien habla español ?
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23:21<shamanix>can anyone help me with two probably minor probs I'm having?
23:23<ditoh>hey
23:23<ditoh>hey
23:23<ditoh>what is chanel linuxmint ???
23:23<shamanix>1. I installed Debian xfce+ldxe, got synaptic working after a bit, however my guess is it only sees the stuff on the cd and not in the repository
23:24<shamanix>what do I need to enter/change to get it working as it should
23:24<shamanix>?
23:25<Nemoder>shamanix: you should be able to change that in synaptic/repositories, or edit /etc/apt/sources.list directly
23:25<Nemoder>er, synaptic->Settigns->Repositories
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23:25<shamanix>I found that but what do I need to enter there?
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23:25<Nemoder>shamanix: what is there currently?
23:26<shamanix>just a sec
23:26<shamanix>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 xfce+lxde-CD Binary-1 20090413-01:14]/
23:27<shamanix>deb-src http://security.debian.org/
23:27<shamanix>deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/
23:27<shamanix>deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/
23:27<shamanix>thats pretty much it
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23:30<Nemoder>shamanix: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free
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23:30<Nemoder>(assuming you want contrib and non-free otherwise remove them from the end)
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23:31<ditoh>het
23:31<ditoh>hey
23:31<ditoh>help
23:31<ditoh>what is the chanel linuxmint ???
23:32<Nemoder>!tell ditoh -about linuxmint
23:32<shamanix>it's doing something thats a good sign :-)
23:34<ditoh>mm
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23:34<ditoh>me so is linuxmint
23:34<ditoh>
23:34<ditoh>I delete the channel linuxmint
23:34<ditoh>I want to recover
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23:35<ditoh>
23:35<ditoh>the channel is already in linuxmint
23:35<ditoh>are you?
23:35<shamanix>thanx Nemoder it worked!
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23:36<shamanix>time for some serious bandwidth abuse ;-)
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23:36<Nemoder>shamanix: you might consider installing with the net-installer next time as it will make that change for you
23:36<ditoh>Does anyone use linux mint?
23:37<shamanix>yeah, thought that was the problem, problem is my connection is a pathetic 768k so for all I know that could have taken ages :-)
23:39<Nemoder>ah, I guess that's reasonable to do it this way then
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23:39<Nemoder>at least you have the basic system to play with :)
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23:42<shamanix>I've only started using Linux, maybe wasn't my brightest Idea installing Debian as a linux n00b, but I'm actually liking it :-)
23:42<shamanix>Ubuntu, Mint, etc was just too easy
23:42<Nemoder>it's not too hard, just takes a little more patience to setup than the cookiecutter distros :)
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23:44<shamanix>I'm a control freak, so anything that is heavily modable is good stuff in my book
23:45<ditoh>hello
23:46<ditoh>help me
23:46<ditoh>i need the chanel of linux mint!!!
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23:46<Nemoder>ditoh: did you read the msg from dpkg?
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23:47<ditoh>it bot?
23:47<Nemoder>yes
23:47<ditoh>i remove
23:47<ditoh>remove dpkg
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23:48<ditoh>i dont konw
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23:49<ditoh>what is reinstall irc xchat gnome?
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