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00:21<cesurasean>anyone know why im getting this? Fri May 1 23:18:52 2009: Activating swap...^[[31mfailed.^[[39;49m
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00:21<cesurasean>or how I can get the swap to activate. :)
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00:27<woodrad>I'm having a problem with my network card (pastebin of lspci -vvv here: http://pastebin.com/m3cc41c3f). It seems that intermittently the network card will stop working and the linux kernel will grind to a halt. This seems to happen with many distros of linux, though I am using, and would like to continue to use, debian. I'm using kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64
00:28<woodrad>anything I can do to fix this or any way to get more diagnostic information to try to resolve this?
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00:31<pato>hey guys, i installed a package through dpkg -i how can i remove it now?
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00:32<resume-prob>hello guys i comeback
00:33<cricket[b]>stampidd
00:33<resume-prob>well, i had lost fglrx driver for the old kernel too
00:33<enouf>pato: dpkg -P man dpkg
00:33<resume-prob>purging the dpkg man?
00:33<resume-prob>why? u dont need it?
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00:34<pato>dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove nvidia-kernel-source_180.44-2_amd64 which isn't installed.
00:34<dpkg>pato: You are moron #2
00:34<enouf>pato: dpkg -P <pkgname> ; man dpkg
00:34<enouf>clearer?
00:35<pato>thanks
00:36<enouf>dpkg -l \*nvidia-\* | grep ^.i
00:36<dpkg>No packages found matching \*nvidia-\* | grep ^.i
00:38<resume-prob>I have tried module-assistent install with 2.6.29-2 but it dont works, (with 2.6.26-1 worked)
00:40<resume-prob>what to do?
00:42<pato>how can i install gcc-4.3.3 from a debian package?
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00:46<debam> hi to all, i am new to debian for compiling uclinux and porting in ARM kit...can any please tell me whatare those steps require to do for portig uclinux using debian lenny
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00:47<jmarsden>pato: sudo apt-get install gcc-4.3
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00:50<pato>jmarsden, i need 4.3.3
00:51<jmarsden>pato: Did you actually bother to try it?
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00:51<pato>jmarsden, yes it installed 4.3.2
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00:52<pato>i want to know if there is a debian package built for gcc-4.3.3
00:52<jmarsden>If you need a very specific version, look under ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.3/ and grab what you need.
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00:53<Zviper>im getting access denied every time i try to log in as root. i was just using it minutes ago, it won't accept my password. what should i do?
00:53<jmarsden>Zviper: Log in as a normal user instead? :)
00:53<Zviper>nothing is working
00:54<cahoot>turn off caps lock
00:54<Zviper>nope
00:54<Zviper>not the problem
00:54<woodrad>lol
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00:55<jmarsden>Worst case, boot from a LiveCD and use that to fix your hard drive installation... but I don't have time to explain exactly how to do that right now...
00:55<pato>jmarsden, thanks
00:55<Zviper>i can get to the webmin
00:56<Zviper>i also have access to a rescue console
00:56<jmarsden>Zviper: Then use the rescue console to fix your root pw... use whatever info the provider gives you for doing that.
00:57<Zviper>i tried doing passwd
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00:57<Zviper>but it gives the same error
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00:58<jmarsden>I suspect either (a) you were doing something very odd with PAM config files when it broke, or (b) you are not using the rescue console correctly??
01:00<Zviper>it's not a
01:00<Zviper>it's possibly b
01:00<Zviper>but
01:00<Zviper>i did vnc in
01:00<Zviper>and i used the terminal to change the password using passwd
01:00<Zviper>but it's still not accepting it
01:01<pato>i get error for version dependencies with some libs for gcc 4.3.3-3, should i uninstall the old lib or is there anyway to install both libs?
01:03<enouf>pato: you can have multiple versions of gcc installed
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01:03<enouf>without issues
01:03<pato>nvm
01:03<pato>found the problem
01:03<pato>:)
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01:06<Zviper>could it be the sshd?
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01:08<woodrad>anyone have any advice on the network card driver issue I am having?
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01:11<enouf>woodrad: all i know is there's been issues with Marvell gigE cards
01:12<enouf>er NICs
01:13<k1lumin4t1>any tool, CLI or GUI, to detect and repair errors on USB drives?
01:13<enouf>woodrad: you could try a newer kernel
01:15<enouf>woodrad: do you see tx/rx errors in ifconfig -a output for that iface?
01:15<enouf>woodrad: i forget if that chip was the one with the offload_checksumming issue or not .. ethtool can turn that off if so
01:16<debam>enouf, is their any help to port uclinux in ARM using debian lenny
01:16<debam>wiki or pdf?
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01:16<enouf>debam: i have no idea - sorry - try ##linux and #debian on freenode.net?
01:16<enouf>or debian-arm mailing list or channels?
01:16<enouf>or uclinux ones?
01:17<debam>enouf, from debian-arm no responce getting
01:22<pato>does anyone know if intel pro wireless 5100 agn works with ndiswrapper please
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01:23<xken>hi
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01:24<pato>anyone?
01:26<cahoot>the kernel module doesn't do it?
01:27<cahoot>!iwlagn
01:27<dpkg>iwlagn is, like, the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Use a backported kernel from sid to acquire this driver for Lenny Also ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
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01:28<pato>cahoot, it does, but i need kernel 2.6.29 for it to work
01:28<pato>and nvidia wont work with it
01:28<pato>:(
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01:28<cahoot>tough luck
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01:30<pato>if i want wireless i gotta boot in 2.6.29 if i want graphics i gotta boot in 2.6.26
01:30<pato>:S
01:31<cahoot>you mean 3d graphics
01:31<pato>yep
01:31<pato>=]
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01:32<cahoot>well linux is all about choices
01:32<pato>hahahaha
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01:32<pato>good point
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01:33<cahoot>really sure there is no nvidia for 2.6.29 yet?
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01:33<pato>i read there is, but i cant get it to work
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01:33<cahoot>or - that m-a can't handle iwlagn for 2.6.26
01:34<pato>i dont know if m-a can do that in 26
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01:35<pato>i dont know if m-a can do that in 26
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01:38<EmleyMoor>On my laptop, flashplayer-mozilla (from dmm) does not appear to be what my iceweasel is using for flash, though it is installed. How do I make it work?
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01:43<mastroquet>EmleyMoor: is iceweasel using any other flash plugin, or none at all?
01:44<EmleyMoor>mastroquet| I suspect none at all but could do with a definitive way tocheck
01:45<mastroquet>EmleyMoor: 'about:plugins' in the addrees bar
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01:45<mastroquet>*address
01:46<EmleyMoor>The Shockwave Flash 10 plugin isn't listed but the 9 is, in the Add-ons
01:47<mastroquet>EmleyMoor: you could remove the addon and symlink libflashplayer.so from dmm to ~/.mozilla/plugins, perhaps
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01:48<warren>hello
01:48<EmleyMoor>about:plugins lists no Shockwave Flash (because I tried disabling 9) on there
01:49<warren>i've installed squeeze with a netinstall, and when rebooting my screen says "out of range", i had the same problem in the past with ubuntu and installing nvidia fixed the problem, but there is no nvidia-glx package in the repos, can someone help me?
01:49<mastroquet>EmleyMoor: but I think flashplayer-mozilla (from dmm) should work out of the box with iceweasel
01:49<EmleyMoor>mastroquet: I agree it should...
01:49<EmleyMoor>I have an AMD64 machine on which it does
01:49<gsimmons>warren: /msg dpkg non-free sources ; /msg dpkg nvidia
01:51<warren>gsimmons: i get no msg :p
01:51<gsimmons>!non-free sources
01:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
01:51<gsimmons>!nvidia
01:51<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
01:52<warren>but i want to fix it using x first
01:52<warren>i tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
01:52<warren>but it didn't ask for resolutions or refresh rates, weird
01:52<cahoot>new not wierd
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01:53<buddyholy_fx>hello
01:53<warren>ow, how to configure then?
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01:54<cahoot>doesn't nvidia provide a tool? nvidia-xconfig or such
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01:54<warren>yes it does, but i want to install nvidia later
01:54<cahoot>so use nv?
01:54<woodrad>enouf: here's the pastebin for ifconfig -a http://pastebin.com/m6d3dd1e3
01:55<warren>but i get out of range
01:55<enouf>woodrad: no errors it seems .. is lo also present though?
01:55<woodrad>yeah
01:55<enouf>woodrad: ls /sys/class/net
01:56<woodrad>eth0 eth1 lo wlan0 wmaster0
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01:56<enouf>woodrad: note; there seems to be debug controls for sky2 in the kernel Kconfig should you want to enable that (recompile your own kernel)
01:57<panv>hi, can i download multimedia messages to my computer instead of my mobile phone ?
01:57<enouf>i would just try a newer debian kernel 1st though ;-)
01:57<woodrad>ok, I think that's the newest stable one, I can always use a newer one though if you think that would fix it. that's an easy enough answer
01:57<enouf>woodrad: you sure sky2/marvell is eth1 ? /msg dpkg 70
01:58<enouf>woodrad: compare HWaddr 00:11:09:eb:f4:2f to what's listed in that file ...
01:59<woodrad>yeah, the mac address in the fail says that the PCI device is using sky2 drivers
01:59<woodrad>I can pastebin the whole thing if you like though
01:59<warren>can someone help me to configure my x ?
02:00<panv><panv> hi, can i download multimedia messages to my computer instead of my mobile phone ? i need help please.
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02:04<EmleyMoor>I think I may have found the answer... if I have I will mention it here
02:05<enouf>woodrad: go to p.d.o - grab the .29 linux-image-2.6.29-xxx.deb and dpkg -i <pkgname.deb> to install it, reboot into it - see how it works - i see many of the git commits for sky2 saying; "I don't have this hardware to test, so this changes are untested."
02:06<enouf>woodrad: from .25 - .27 ... at the least
02:06<woodrad>will do
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02:07<enouf>woodrad: fwiw; modinfo sky2 on my 2.6.26-686 reveals this parm; parm: debug:Debug level (0=none,...,16=all) (int)
02:10<enouf>not sure how well the debugging would work when this kernel config has this; # CONFIG_SKY2_DEBUG is not set
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02:12<EmleyMoor>To fix my flash problem I completely removed swfdec-mozilla and flashplayer-mozilla, reinstalled flashplayer-mozilla and then installed the gnome metapackage
02:13<cahoot>don't forget noflash! ;)
02:13<EmleyMoor>noflash?
02:13<cahoot>err sort of fell on my face there - flashblocker?
02:14<EmleyMoor>flashblocker?
02:14<woodrad>enouf I'm going to reboot and give it a shot, only time will tell if this fixes it or not, it seems to be intermittent. I'll leave my pc running overnight and see what happens.
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02:14*EmleyMoor has Facebook poker working now
02:15<enouf>woodrad: check logs in /var/log as well ... learn how to use magic sysrq ; /msg dpkg sysrq
02:16<enouf>woodrad: i mean .. try to home in on some specifics so you/we can ascertain if it's your browser locking up. OOM-killer kicking in .. or not.. some Memory leak from some misbehaving app ..
02:17<enouf>" It seems that intermittently the network card will stop working and the linux kernel will grind to a halt. This seems to happen with many distros of linux, though I am using, and would like to continue to use, debian. I'm using kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64" <== is hard to draw conclusions from only that ...
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02:18<woodrad>what files should I be looking for in /var/log/? /var/log/messages?
02:21<enouf>woodrad: there. and kern.log and syslog , etc
02:21<enouf>woodrad: also /msg dpkg bootlogd
02:21<woodrad>enouf in /var/log/kern.log there are a lot of occurrences of this: http://pastebin.com/m635b1142
02:22<enouf>woodrad: what do you do when it freezes? hard reset?
02:22<enouf>woodrad: ouch!
02:22<enouf>eth1: hw csum failure
02:23<woodrad>there are _tons_ of them
02:23<enouf>woodrad: look into what i mentioned about using ethtool to disable that
02:23<enouf>netdev_rx_csum_fault+0x29/0x31
02:27<woodrad>alright, it's disabled now
02:27<woodrad>that setting will remain the same even after a reboot, kernel upgrade, etc, right?
02:28<enouf>woodrad: what exact command did you use? and did you check via querying?
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02:28<oneforall>hi just wondering on a multi deb system where are the libs for 32bit going ?
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02:29<enouf>i can't make heads nor tails of the ethtool manpage - i think you'd need to use "ethtool -K eth1 tx off rx off" because tx/rx off|on can also apply to Pausing and other settings
02:29<oneforall>iirc 64bit is going to lib with a lib64 link and I think the 32bit to lib32 ?
02:29<woodrad>ethtool -k eth1 to see if rx-checksumming and tx-checksumming were on (they were) and ethtool -: eth1 rx off tx off
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02:30<woodrad>that's ethtool -K rx off...
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02:31<enouf>it seems -A is needed to use rx off concerning Pause
02:31<enouf>woodrad: good - ok
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02:32<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to make more room for something to display in the flash plugin? My screen is at maximum resolution and I have to scroll the iceweasel window to see it all
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02:34<woodrad>enouf, thank you so much for your help. I'll restart with the new kernel and see if this makes the difference. I'll keep you updated on it and leave my computer running to test.
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02:42<valdyn>EmleyMoor: i dont exactly understand, but compiz can scale up or down anything on your screen
02:42<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I will look into that - or possibly a "full screen" mode in iceweasel
02:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: or is it just that you want to use a different flash plugin?
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02:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: or disable flash entirely?
02:43<valdyn>EmleyMoor: if you resolution is crappy then your computer is probably slow too, no good for compiz
02:43<deniz>sudo apt-get remove --purge removes compiz but i want to remove all compiz's dependencies that aren't used otherwise as well...how do i do that without manually removing each thing related to compiz?
02:44<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I don't have the resolution available on the built in screen
02:44<valdyn>deniz: you want something else than you are saying, which is why its not possible
02:44<valdyn>deniz: aptitude would have marked packages not *explicitely* installed as auto and remove those upon removal of the explicitely installed package depending on those
02:45<deniz>valdyn, so i cant downgrade packages that downloaded & installed along with compiz?
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02:45<valdyn>deniz: what does this have to do with downgrade?
02:46<EmleyMoor>I can zoom out but then it's harder to read the small print
02:46<deniz>valdyn, i thought squeeze repository would solve something so i did sudo apt-get install compiz with squeeze in sources.list but now removed it and am back on lenny sources.list, other than compiz, i havent squeezed anything else
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02:46<valdyn>deniz: ok, use aptitude in the future
02:47<valdyn>deniz: it will do what i think you want by default
02:47<valdyn>deniz: but only if it was used for installing compiz already
02:47<valdyn>deniz: now dpkg -l | grep compiz and remove listed stuff
02:48<deniz>valdyn, that command gives everything related to compiz?
02:48<valdyn>deniz: maybe everything that you think of as "related to compiz"
02:48<deniz>valdyn, well it said it upgraded 57 packages b4 and i c about 10 with that command u gave
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02:49<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... if I turn off the toolbars it's not so bad
02:49<valdyn>deniz: you can track this by reading /var/log/dpkg.log
02:49<valdyn>deniz: i now understand that what you really want is a snapshot feature
02:49<valdyn>deniz: which debian doesnt have
02:50<valdyn>deniz: your new libc6, if you got one in the process, is hardly "directly related to compiz"
02:50<valdyn>deniz: but compiz might have depended on a new libc6
02:50<deniz>glib6c got upgraded ya
02:50<deniz>i wanna downgrade it
02:50<valdyn>deniz: i said "might"
02:51<valdyn>judd: versions libc6
02:51<judd>valdyn: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-9
02:51<deniz>no i remember it saying it
02:51<valdyn>deniz: youre fucked, this can only be fixed manually
02:52<valdyn>deniz: you can try "aptitude install libc6=2.7-18" and watch what it would do
02:53<valdyn>deniz: *everything* on your system needs libc6, tahts why its dangerous to mess with it
02:55<deniz>valdyn, it seems to be working :D
02:55<deniz>i have to do aptitude install program=version to downgrade or can i also do apt-get install program=version?
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02:58<valdyn>deniz: you can use both or any
02:58<valdyn>deniz: aptitude is just smarter sometimes
02:59<valdyn>deniz: sometimes (rarely) its not
02:59<deniz>valdyn, k, thanks, i used the aptitude one but in my experience aptitude always tries to force you to remove stuff which i dislike
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03:10<deniz>valdyn, just a question: to downgrade you must always have the repository you want to downgrade to in the sources.list and you cant downgrade in debian testing if the package used to be there because it will be completely removed in favour of the update, right?
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03:16<valdyn>deniz: no
03:16<deniz>no as in im right?
03:16<valdyn>deniz: if the package is not in the target of your downgrade then it will only be removed if the downgrade breaks its dependencies
03:17<Supaplex>!breastfeed /proc/self/
03:17*dpkg gives /proc/self/ the right nipple
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03:19<Gekz>weird
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04:27<dad>hallo - i have a question for truycrypt !!
04:27<dad>sorry truecrypt !!
04:28<zhxk>hello,how to let Nautilus open folder in the same windows, thanks!
04:29<dad>i hav downloaded the package "truecrypt-6.1a-setup-ubuntu-x86" from the internet. originally from the side truecrypt.org
04:29<eeeuser>zhxk: use gconf-editor
04:30<dad>after the doubleclick on this package, the system wants to have sudo passwort for my user.
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04:30<dad>I gave him the password an the installation prozess answer me that i'm not in the sudoers table or file .
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04:31<eeeuser>zhxk: http://geekyninja.com/archives/disable-spatial-mode-in-gnomes-nautilus-file-browser/
04:31<dad>Please can you help me ??
04:31<eeeuser>dad: that's probably because your not in the sudoers file
04:31<eeeuser>;)
04:32<eeeuser>try opening the package as an adminstrator
04:32<dad>how can i came in the sudoers file - i'm a beginner for debian ??
04:32<eeeuser>use the "su" command at a terminal to switch to root user mode
04:33<dad>moment i do this now !
04:34<eeeuser>dad: edit /etc/sudoers as root to include the line YOURUSERNAME ALL=(ALL) ALL
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04:39<dad>there is now another Problem: to install the truecrypt Package i must install dmseput before !! i do this now .
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04:44<dad>hallo - thanks to eeeuser and have a nice day - The truecrypt package is on my system . Bye
04:44<eeeuser>dad: np.
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04:46<dad>what does np. mean - i'm a beginner ??
04:46<eeeuser>"no problems"
04:46<dad>thanks - i'm going to work now .
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04:57<Guest396>hi all
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04:58<eeeuser>Guest, if you have a question, you can just ask.
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04:58<blast_hardcheese>Is there a way to set certain directories to highlight different colors in bash?
04:59<blast_hardcheese>(kind of a strange question, sorry)
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04:59<blast_hardcheese>I'd like to be able to highlight directories as I sort through them, marking them "Done", "Working", or "Bad"
05:00<blast_hardcheese>A simple color change would be awesome, but I don't know if this is possible.
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05:01<nowhere_man>hi all
05:01<nowhere_man>I have the following problem with ALSA:
05:02<nowhere_man>KDE 4.1 just informed me that my audio device disappeared, and it's not possible to start alsamixer anymore
05:02<nowhere_man>alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
05:02<cahoot>nowhere_man: as root run speaker-test -t wav -c2 - any error?
05:02<nowhere_man>although I'm supposed to have two sound devices, my Intel HDA controller and my USB webcam
05:03<cahoot>nowhere_man: cat /proc/asound/cards - any listed? which one is card0
05:04<wnd>blast_hardcheese, you can probably play around with LS_COLORS environment variable but that's probably not what you want
05:04<nowhere_man>my first question is: why has alsaconf disappeared? previously, I would have run this one as root and everything would be fine, what is the new procedure?
05:04<gsimmons>!alsaconf
05:04<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>.
05:05<cahoot>nowhere_man: intermittently attached sound devices (like the cam) might confuse the choice of 'default' card
05:06<nowhere_man>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
05:06<nowhere_man>Playback open error: -2,Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
05:06<nowhere_man>is what I get with speaker-test
05:06<ootput>i'd define default card in asound.conf or asoundrc with specific card device as found in /proc/asound/cards mentioned earlier
05:06<cahoot>nowhere_man: try (as root) alsa force-reload
05:07<cahoot>ootput: I'd suggest give the wanted card index 0 and never use an .asoundrc
05:07<ootput>cahoot: never?
05:07<cahoot>well not unless you really know what you do
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05:07<ootput>so.. not never ;)
05:08<nowhere_man>cahoot: that's what I needed
05:08<cahoot>I stand corrected
05:08<nowhere_man>thanks a lot
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05:08<cahoot>nowhere_man: still I'd see to that the hda-intel always gets to be card0
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05:09<ootput>you don't need to index the cards as you can just refer to them by device
05:09<ootput>statically defining them ain't the best
05:09<nowhere_man>I'm not sure I need that, because KDE already gives preference to the Intel one
05:09<cahoot>ok
05:10<nowhere_man>what is the manpage for that config file?
05:11<cahoot>which config file?
05:13<nowhere_man>for where goes that config file and it's syntax
05:14<cahoot>looking for .asoundrc?
05:14<nowhere_man>yes
05:15<cahoot>one creates it as needed - the syntax is described here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Main_Page
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05:50<debam>hi to all, i am getting error as crti.o: no such file or folder..in /usr/lib same file is available
05:51<ootput>during gcc use?
05:51<debam>ootput yes ..at linking time
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05:51<ootput>apt-get install libc6-dev
05:51<ootput>--reinstall, rather
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05:52<debam>ootput, this package i have already install so i got crti.o file in /usr/lib
05:52<debam>then also i am getting same error
05:53<ootput>which debian version?
05:53<debam>lenny
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05:58<debam>ootput, any another way to solce problem of crti.o file
05:58<ootput>not particularly
05:58<ootput>the file is there, but isn't what's expected of the compile
05:58<debam>ootput, i have compiled arm tool chain ..using that trying to compile hello.c program..
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05:59<debam>i am able to create .o file but not executable
06:00<ootput>no, sorry
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06:12<unixluser>hello. is it possible to request a freeze of all software on my sid machine until versions in squeeze catchup, where i can then just switch to using squeeze fulltime?
06:13<petemc>it wouldnt be very expedient a process
06:14<unixluser>what do you mean
06:14<unixluser>that it will take a while?
06:14<petemc>yz
06:14<unixluser>the _only_ thing i'm afraid of is that there are bugs and such on this particular version, and squeeze may skip my version when it's introduced
06:15<petemc>thats _all_?
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06:15<unixluser>well, not really :)
06:15<unixluser>that packages won't even make it into squeeze
06:15<unixluser>petemc: unless i should be worrying more
06:15<unixluser>..
06:15<petemc>_perhaps_
06:16<petemc>one can always worry more
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06:16<unixluser>are you being silly?
06:16<petemc>yes
06:16<unixluser>_thanks_
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06:16<petemc>im still drunk from last night i suspect
06:16<ootput>heh
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06:16<jstein>hi, what is the debian way to change the default editor? may i edit /etc/alternatives manually? Or is there a script managing it?
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06:17<locklace>jstein: default in what sense
06:17<locklace>jstein: at a user level most things look at the $EDITOR environment variable
06:17<unixluser>jstein: update-alternatives
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06:18<jstein>thanks unixluser
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06:33<alain10>oups
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06:35<snama>hello
06:36<mrbane>hello
06:36<mrbane>snama
06:36<snama>yes i have a question
06:37<snama>what file do i edit to add apps that i want to autostart when the x session starts?
06:37<snama>i use gdm to login
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06:38<snama>anyone?
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06:38<dr|z3d>snama: Save your session when you logout, or elsewhere.
06:39<dr|z3d>(With the desired apps running).
06:39<snama>well
06:39<snama>iam running awesome
06:39<snama>wm
06:39<snama>there needs to be a file?
06:40<snama>i think
06:40<snama>but i dont know which
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06:41<snama>i think i figured it out
06:41<snama>thanks anyway
06:42<goodbit_>What did you do?
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06:43<snama>i made a .xsession file in my home dir
06:43<snama>and made executable
06:43<snama>then put apps into it
06:43<snama>basically
06:43<goodbit>oh
06:43<dr|z3d>That also works :)
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06:49<videl>Hello
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07:04<danger>Morning guys anyone know of a utility that I can test the write speed of a USB stick?
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07:07<cahoot>cp?
07:08<danger>cahoot I tried doing a 'date cp something somwhereelse date' but it can me an unrealistic transfer speed (well what I think is unrealistic)
07:08<cahoot>time?
07:08<goodbit>For some reason, writing to flash sticks is about 600 x faster on linux than on Vista
07:09<goodbit>Once I copied a 13 mb file to a stick, and it was done in like a second or two
07:10<goodbit>so I pulled out the stick and tried it on another computer to see if it was really there
07:10<danger>lmao well it works out using the date cp date thing at about 80MB/s even though it's plugged into a USB 2 compliant port, it's a bit higher than I was expecting
07:10<cahoot>danger: maybe iostat is more what you look for
07:11<danger>is that in any of the repo's?
07:11<danger><ignore>
07:12<goodbit>Do you guys know of any cool aptitude repos I can use with Lenny?
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07:13<cahoot>main, non-free, contrib and possibly mm
07:13<cahoot>cool enough?
07:13<goodbit>mm?
07:13<cahoot>!dmm
07:13<dpkg>i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
07:13<danger>multimedia
07:14<goodbit>cool, thanks
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07:15<danger>lmao iostat reports my new USB stick having a faster write speed than my 7,200 RPM SATAII hard disk
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07:17<goodbit>Try yanking the stick out after completion just to make sure it's really there
07:18<goodbit>I'm so baked right now
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07:22<danger>baked?
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07:23<goodbit>High
07:23<ootput>12 days ago
07:23<jrodger>Evening, has anyone here installed Virtualbox on Lenny?
07:23<goodbit>jrodger: Yeah, I have.
07:24<goodbit>You know what's really funny? Installing Cygwin in Wine
07:24<jrodger>goodbit:I am having issues, which version did you install?
07:24<goodbit>1.6.6_OSE
07:25<goodbit>What's the problem?
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07:25<danger>jrodger it didn't work "out of the box" for me on AMDx64
07:26<jrodger>goodbit: I only have 2.1.2 and it has the kernel build problem, the one where I need run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
07:26<danger>I had to install the latest version, and that sorted out all the kernel modules
07:27<danger>the version I have working is 2.1.0
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07:28<goodbit>Oh, weird.
07:28<goodbit>I don't know a whole lot about it. I just use it to run Damn Small Linux in
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07:29<goodbit>I use the cuuuutest 8 point font
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07:31<danger>Well if you do a standard install of Lenny (AMD x64) it'll install Virtual Box OSE but it doesn't setup the kernel modules so you can't actually run a VM in it. The only way around this that I could find was to install the most recent version that "built" the kernel modules (IIRC). So that's probably the best way to go IMHO
07:33<locklace>what's your reason for going with that over kvm?
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07:34<tomislav>hi
07:34<danger>No reason really, I'd just used Virtual Box before and I've not use kvm
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07:35<locklace>kvm seems to work fairly well out of the box
07:36<locklace>trying to get opensolaris to boot was all kinds of fun, though
07:36<goodbit>what's opensolaris like?
07:37<danger>Just installing it now, I'll have a play.. How come you're virtualizing open solaris? The only reason I'd use it would be for ZFS but that doesn't really make sense if it's a virtual machine
07:37<locklace>solaris
07:37<locklace>amusement value
07:37<goodbit>I installed Solaris once
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07:37<goodbit>they asked me what I'd use it primarily for
07:38<goodbit>and I put watching pornos
07:38<goodbit>I wonder if anyone there looks at the responses
07:38<jrodger__>goodbit: they can trace your path in windows.....
07:38<jrodger__>I'm going to boot into gnome, back in a sec
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07:43<unknown>Guys, is there any other way to do longer comments in bash script than using "#" in every line?
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07:48<zhxk>greeting, does debian suitable for internet servers?
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07:49<jrodger>I guess so, I have a debian proxy and it functions fine.
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07:49<llutz>depends on admin-skills
07:50<zhxk>what distro are the alternative options?
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07:51<dr|z3d>zhxk: You might find Ubuntu's server distro more to your liking. Depends what you're after.
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07:52<dr|z3d>zhxk: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition
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08:01<zhxk>dr|z3d:how about freebsd?
08:02<dr|z3d>Whatever works for you.
08:03<dr|z3d>Try some live cds in virtualbox and get a feel for what's best for you.
08:03<locklace>zhxk: be more specific. what exactly do you want the server to do
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08:06<shamanix>from what I hear you don't want freebsd if your a noob (if your not ignore this) hell AFAIK it doesnt even come with a window manager (aka gnome,kde,xfce)
08:06<llutz>shamanix: what sense would a wm make on a server-env?
08:07<llutz>and btw, kde/gnome/xfce are DEs not only wm
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08:08<shamanix>not much, maybe for quick configuration in a gui, afterwards you can delete/disable it
08:08<llutz>wrong way
08:08<goodbit>I use NetBSD on one of my old computers
08:11<locklace>netbsd works pretty well on sparc64
08:11<locklace>portability is one of its strengths
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08:12<goodbit>Yeah, it's a neat little OS
08:13<locklace>just installed arch in a kvm, curious to see how their pacman thing compares with apt
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08:16<goodbit>The only prob with FreeBSD is that it takes -forever- to boot into
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08:17<goodbit>and what's Arch?
08:17<egypcio>¬¬
08:18<locklace>goodbit: archlinux.org
08:18<goodbit>Ahh
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08:19<goodbit>I used to try every free operating system I could get my hands on
08:19<goodbit>I always ended up just using Debian for my main computer though
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08:54<ReThan>can someone help me
08:54<cahoot>!ask
08:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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09:01<ReThan>I have problem with psybnc, on Debian v4.0. I logged into my Shell, killed the psybnc process to make a change to the config, then when i reconnected to my Shell i realised it said bash-$ and not my user name, so, i carried on and ran ./psybnc then quit. I then realised the BNC is not working, reconnected to the Shell and realised that it now shows my username$ so i ran ps -x but cant see the psybnc process. Now when i run pybnc it wont
09:03<ReThan>how do i check what ports are listening?
09:03<Xeross>Dont user created processes stop when the user disconnects/logs off ?
09:03<ReThan>no
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09:04<ReThan>the port i want is in use
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09:04<ReThan>and im sure its psybnc somewhere
09:04<ReThan>caue it was working
09:04<ReThan>cause*
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09:08<llutz>lsof -i
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09:09<llutz>"pgrep psybnc" tells you pid, if it still runs
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09:10<ReThan>it just goes to the next line
09:11<ReThan>how do i find out what ports are on listen?
09:11<ReThan>like "Netstat" ?
09:11<llutz>lsof -i
09:11<llutz>netstat -tulpen
09:12<ReThan>netstat: no support for `AF INET (tcp)' on this system.
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09:12<ReThan>:/
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09:13<ReThan>if i use lsof -i, it jut goes to the next line
09:13<ReThan>just*
09:13<InkBottle>Hi, for a given package, if I do depkg-deb -c, it gives me the list of the files that will be installed? Therefor , if I do the installation and then do ls -l $(dpkg-deb -c nouveau-drm_2.4.9.pers-1_amd64.deb |grep -v "/$"|cut -d\. -f2), I should get the same output than with dpkg-deb -c?
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09:19<InkBottle>I withdraw the question
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09:19<ReThan>back
09:20<ReThan>when connect to my Shell, it says this
09:20<ReThan>-bash: fork: Ressource temporairement non disponible
09:20<ReThan>Debian 4.0
09:20<ReThan>is it anything to worry about?
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09:24<darsie>Hi! I see references to ngspice in debian (in package descriptions and suggests:), but no ngspice package. Has it been removed?
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09:31<darsie>gnucap seems to replace ngspice
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09:39<darsie>woww, #debian idle :)
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09:41<shamanix>weird ain't it
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09:41<shamanix>:-)
09:43<eeeuser>Must be working well. No bugs.
09:44<darsie>my keyboard layout switcher is broken.
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09:48<shamanix>whats a good replacement for xterm lxterm? I'm thinking something like those transparent consoles with multicolor fonts and whatnot you see in screenshots, etc
09:50<amphi>shamanix: I like xfce4-term, because it lets you have the tabs down the side
09:50<eeeuser>amphi: How do yo do that? It normally puts them across the top
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09:51<locklace>shamanix: rxvt-unicode
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09:52<darsie>I'm happy with konsole. Not transparent or anything, but with the font I configured very usable.
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09:53<amphi>eeeuser: MiscTabPosition=GTK_POS_LEFT
09:53<eeeuser>is that an env var?
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09:53<amphi>eeeuser: nope; in ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc
09:53<eeeuser>righto
09:53<amphi>eeeuser: it's mentioned in TFM ;)
09:53<darsie>eeeuser: the variables you see when you start set.
09:54<darsie>hmm
09:55<eeeuser>amphi: Shiny. Thanks. Much easier to read on eee.
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10:02<lebraniwas>hi
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10:09<danger>Do you ever sleep locklace? lol
10:10<resume-prob>hello guys i need help, im triing to install Madwifi by source and it occours wneh i try make:
10:10<resume-prob>make[3]: *** [/home/chrono/Desktop/PC/madwifi-0.9.4/net80211/ieee80211_power.o] Error 1
10:10<resume-prob>make[2]: *** [/home/chrono/Desktop/PC/madwifi-0.9.4/net80211] Error 2
10:10<resume-prob>make[1]: *** [_module_/home/chrono/Desktop/PC/madwifi-0.9.4] Error 2
10:10<resume-prob>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64'
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10:11<resume-prob>sorry about the flood
10:11<danger>use pastebin
10:11<cahoot>using m-a?
10:11<cahoot>using m-a resume-prob
10:12<resume-prob>its only the make
10:12<cahoot>!madwifi
10:12<dpkg>[madwifi] the old <non-free> driver for non-USB wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask about <zd1211rw>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath_pci , http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support , #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>.
10:12<cahoot>!madwifi-install
10:12<dpkg>from memory, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. This driver is not available in Debian post-Lenny, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>.
10:13<resume-prob>!ath5k
10:13<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx PCI wireless LAN chipsets. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <wireless tree>.
10:14<danger>What mad wifi install bit didn't work here :(
10:14<danger>FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.
10:15<danger>This is my wireless card: 01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 001d (rev 01)
10:15<danger>would be nice to get it working
10:15<resume-prob>cahoot, i have all these things, but on make it dont wors
10:15<cahoot>resume-prob: you have run m-a prepare?
10:15<resume-prob>works
10:16<resume-prob>the error occurs on make
10:16<cahoot>resume-prob: you have run m-a prepare?
10:16<resume-prob>error occurs on make,
10:17<resume-prob>if i cant make, how can i use m-a?
10:17<cahoot>you have build-essential installed?
10:17<resume-prob>yes
10:17<cahoot>so what happens if you do run m-a prepare?
10:17<resume-prob>m-a prepare runs ok
10:18<cahoot> m-a a-i madwifi
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10:19<resume-prob>well i have a old version of madwifi active
10:19<cahoot>what happens if you run m-a a-i madwifi ?
10:20<resume-prob>runs well (but i have a old version of madwifi active)
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10:20<cahoot>so modprobe -r madwifi (or whatever it's called)
10:21<resume-prob>im using a internet conection with madwifi, wold it down right?
10:21<cahoot>after that (provided no error) try modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath_pci
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10:22<cahoot>resume-prob: yes you'll get disconnected - hopefully only temporarily
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10:22<resume-prob>well, ill try it so when i have cable conection
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10:36<ruben>Can anyone help me to force 1024 x 768 resolution?
10:36<azeem_>ruben: what resolution do you have now?
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10:37<ruben>800 x 600
10:37<ruben>And it won't let me go higher
10:38<azeem>then you probably have the vesa driver running
10:38<ruben>How can I change it?
10:38<azeem>could be that your graphics chip is not supported by Free Software drivers because your manufacturer does not cooperate
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10:38<azeem>ruben: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say?
10:39<ruben>It's an old nvidia AGP graphics card
10:39<torrentow>hello world
10:39<ruben>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] (rev 11)
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10:41<ruben>I would imagine that, because it's such old hardware, it would be supported by now
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10:42<sney>hell yeah tnt2
10:42<ruben>Indeed
10:42<sney>that uses the "nv" X driver as I recall
10:43<ruben>Not a clue
10:43<sney>not being particularly advanced it doeesn't require the big package from nvidia
10:43<ruben>I'm new to this linux stuff
10:43<sney>and I'm rusty so we can be noobs together
10:43<danger>TNT2 - oldschool
10:44<ruben>Cheers
10:44<sney>hella oldschool
10:44<ruben>However, I fell we aren't getting anywhere
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10:45<eduardo_>HI everybody, anyone have a ideia how install wireless card RTL8187b? show normal in lsusb, but don't work with ndiswrapper or with kernel 2.6.29, i'm using squeeze
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10:45<ruben>I have used slax in the past, and that offered an option like "Force 1024 x 768 using stanrd vesa diver"
10:45<ruben>Is there a similar way with debian?
10:45<resume-prob>guys i have the error that dont let me m-a a-i fglrx driver
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10:46<sney>the absolute minimum required fix would be to put Driver "nv" in the "Device" section of xorg.conf
10:47<resume-prob>http://debian.pastebin.com/m78ad67bb
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10:47<ruben>sney: eh?
10:47<ruben>I don't follow
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10:48<sney>/etc/X11/xorg.conf is where X gets all of its information about your configuration
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10:49<ruben>Ok
10:49<gsimmons>eduardo_: Please provide the relevant line from your lsusb output.
10:49<ruben>Got it
10:49<resume-prob>Im using Squeeze AMD64, And i have compiled a new kernel 2.6.29-2.
10:49<resume-prob>When i try to m-a the FGLRX driver it dont works. now i have the error
10:49<resume-prob>http://debian.pastebin.com/m78ad67bb
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10:50<eduardo_>gsimmons: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter
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10:50<zhxk>hello, how to turn the grade item of ufs to gparted on?
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10:52<ruben>Sorry, but what am I putting in what section of the xorg.conf file?
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10:53<GTS>Hello Anybody from Brazil?
10:54<locklace>!br
10:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:54<resume-prob>can anyone help me?
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10:57<zhxk>resume-prob:what's wrong with you?
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10:58<Zviper>im thinkin about reformatting my server, what is the best way to backup the large files i have on there?
10:58<resume-prob>i have compiled the kernel 2.6.29-1,
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10:58<eeeuser>Zviper:unison
10:58<resume-prob>and then i try to install fglrx drivers it downt work
10:59<eeeuser>!unison
10:59<dpkg>it has been said that unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
10:59<resume-prob>the error is this http://debian.pastebin.com/m78ad67bb
10:59<gsimmons>resume-prob: What version of fglrx-source do you have installed?
10:59<resume-prob>last, downloaded from site
10:59<resume-prob>problem is on m-a
10:59<resume-prob>look the error
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11:00<Zviper>eeeuser: any way to backup without the files transferring to my laptop? i have a high download rate, but a terrible upload.
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11:01<eeeuser>Well you have to put the data somewhere. So you can either plug a disk into it, and use unison or dd
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11:01<ruben>How do you change the permissions of a file with the command line?
11:01<eeeuser>!chmod
11:01<dpkg>If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <Permissions>
11:01<danger>chmod
11:01<ruben>I don't know how to use chmod
11:02<cahoot>chown might be relevant too
11:02<eeeuser>ruben "man chmod"
11:02<eeeuser>basically chmod (permission settings) filename
11:02<Zviper>eeeuser: i don't have phsyical access to the server
11:02<eeeuser>Zviper: looks like you are stuck then.
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11:02<danger>aye
11:03<eeeuser>I can't see where you would backup *to*
11:03<danger>just backup the bits that you can't get from the repo's so everything in /home/* everything in /var/www/* (if you do web dev) etc...
11:03<bja> Zviper: Do you have ssh access to a different server with good upload and download speed?
11:03<Zviper>nope, if i did i would have up'd it to another server
11:04<bja>Zviper: How many hd does your server has?
11:04<Zviper>750gb x 2
11:05<bja>Zviper: The purpose of a backup is to keep information in case of hardware failure, if you do not have raid, then your backup must be in some other disk anywhere it is feasable
11:05<Zviper>would the second hdd suffice?
11:05<resume-prob>gsimmons, zhxk: what dou you think about it?
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11:07<eeeuser>Zviper: These seem like fundamental questions in judgement, taht requires access to your server
11:07<eeeuser>to answer
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11:08<danger>indeed unfortunately having Debian on the box doesn't help you void the laws of physics.
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11:08<resume-prob>can anyone help?
11:08<eeeuser>Zviper, you should read up on "information entropy"
11:08<ruben>Can anyone help me to force 1024 x 768 resolution? I am new to linux
11:09<locklace>ruben: did you try just asking nicely
11:09<ruben>I am currently stuck with 800 x 600 and it is really annoying me
11:09<eeeuser>ruben: can you xrandr?
11:09<fxiny>ruben: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
11:09<ruben>eeeuser: no
11:09<bja>Zviper: Thats up to you. I have an external hdd at home whit only one purpose, it has a the latest backups, it only gets power up when it is backup time. But then again How Paranoic are you?
11:09<resume-prob>Help!
11:10<m2rt>can I add custom commands to shortcuts? Like that it should start as root.
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11:10<shamanix>ruben is there something like preferences --> monitor resolution in your menu, or did you try that already
11:10<ruben>Tried
11:10<Zviper>well let me ask you this, is there a way to reformat without affecting the second disk?
11:10<ruben>It won't let me go higher
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11:10<eeeuser>Zviper: It depends if you have a raid device, or if they are configured as two seperate disks
11:11<shamanix>how old is your gfx card, monitor
11:11<shamanix>?
11:11<Zviper>i think they are configured as two different disks
11:11<eeeuser>if they are two seperate disks, or even two seperate partitions, you can nuke the OS partition safely, without affecting your data
11:11<eeeuser>as long as you didn't put the data on the OS partition
11:11<Zviper>any way to find out for sure?
11:11<eeeuser>mount
11:11<eeeuser>use: "mount"
11:12<ruben>My monitor is new, the graphics card is an old AGP nvidia one
11:12<ruben>I know it can display higher as windows managed it
11:12<Zviper>i don't see any indication of raid when i use mount
11:12<sney>I'm back!
11:12<Zviper>wb.
11:13<sney>there's a place in xorg.conf where you can tell it to use specific resolutions, ruben
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11:13<sney>subsection "Display"
11:13<ruben>What do I type?
11:13<eeeuser>I meant use mount to see where your partitions and data are. I don't have a lot of experience with raid devices. You need to work out how your disks are configured and where the data actualyl is.
11:13<sney>goes under section "Screen"
11:13<sney>and I don't remember the syntax, hang on
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11:14<ruben>I hanging
11:14<bja>Zviper: df -h will tell you lots of info of your array.
11:14<bja>ruben: Do you have the correct hw driver for your graphics card
11:14<ruben>Not a clue
11:15<ruben>What's hw?
11:15<Zviper>bja: don't see any indication of raid
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11:15<Zviper>ruben: hardware
11:15<ruben>Oh
11:15<ruben>I don't know
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11:16<sney>bja: since it's an old crusty tnt2, the correct driver is the nv driver that's been bundled since (at least) 2.4
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11:17<bja>sney: I missread, I read a new nvidia card, and a crapy monitor Sorry!
11:17<ruben>No worries
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11:19<bja>Zviper if you have two separate disk, you can take your chances, I would never format a disk without an external backup, but then again I'm a little paranoic.
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11:21<ruben>Sorry, what am I changing in the xorg.conf file?
11:21<sney>I found it\
11:21<sney>!paste
11:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
11:21<locklace>ruben: now begins a long and tortuous road
11:21<ruben>What happened there?
11:22<ruben>How so, locklace?
11:22<sney>ruben: http://paste.debian.net/35028/
11:22<Zviper>im just wondering if i reformat using my servers panel to reinstall the os that if it would affect the second hdd.
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11:22<locklace>ruben: you need the right incantations in your Screen, Monitor, Device and Display sections
11:23<sney>put that in your Section "screen"
11:23<ruben>Ok
11:23<eeeuser>ZViper: I think we have answered your question as much as we are capable of doing so.
11:23<sney>yes, X configuration is pretty annoying, though it would be decidedly less annoying if the Debian overlords hadn't decided to remove xorgconfig
11:23<eeeuser>If you make your questions more specific, then perhaps we can do a better job.
11:24<locklace>ruben: in order for the higher resolution to work, your card needs to support it at the given bit depth, your virtual display size must be large enough, and your monitor video settings must be set correctly
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11:24<ruben>Ok
11:24<Zviper>yeah sorry, i just thought you might know
11:24<sney>though I've found that having the correct driver loaded and setting the desired resolution in Display sometimes makes the rest just sort itself out
11:25<sney>especially when your monitor doesn't exactly have refresh rates, being an LCD and all
11:25<ruben>Indeed
11:25<ruben>It says "can't open file to write"
11:25<sney>well you have to edit it as root of course
11:25<locklace>ruben: the worst part is having to find the values for a line called the Modeline which specifies how exactly your monitor implements the resolution. you will also need the horizontal sync and vertical refresh values for your monitor
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11:25<locklace>sney: well, we can always hope ;)
11:25<sney>and then restart X to see the changes take effect
11:25<locklace>since ruben doesn't know about chmod i think the X configuration exercise is going to be a large hurdle
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11:26<ruben>Indeed it is
11:26<eeeuser>ZViper: no need to be sorry :)
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11:26<ruben>I know that I can't log in as root
11:26<d0nk>I can ;D
11:26<sney>you should back up a copy of the original xorg.conf so on the off chance that it doesn't work you can get back to us
11:26<sney>what, why not
11:26<d0nk>HOW DO I FSLAB?
11:26<d0nk>HOW DO I FSLAB?
11:26<d0nk>HOW DO I FSLAB?
11:26<d0nk>I can ;D
11:26<d0nk>I can ;D
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11:26<ruben>GDM won't let me
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11:26<d0nk>WHAT IS IRC
11:27<d0nk>HOW 2 FSLAB
11:27<ruben>Interet relay chat
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11:27<d0nk>WHY ARE YOU IGNORE NORE ME
11:27<d0nk>I AM SWITCH TO GENTOO
11:27<d0nk>FUCKERS
11:27<TIBS01>THERE ALL COCKS
11:27<TIBS01>THATS WHY
11:27<ruben>Tha k you
11:27<sney>use su then ruben
11:27<resume-prob>guys, now i know whats the problem,
11:27<resume-prob>every module i try to comile the same error appears, about kbuild, what is it?
11:27<ruben>su what?
11:27<resume-prob>there is a kbuild for 2.6.29-2 kernel?
11:27<ruben>Seriously, I am new to this
11:28<ruben>And I am sorry for beoing so akward
11:28<bja>ruben: Remember that if something goes wrong X11 might not start at all and you will have to get away with the console to edit or copy back. Just a reminder
11:28<sney>su is how you be root without logging out
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11:28<ruben>Indeed
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11:30<resume-prob>what is kbuild?
11:30<ruben>Ho do I su this file?
11:30<avu>ruben, you don't "su a file", you use su to execute commands or get a shell as a different user
11:30<eeeuser>ruben: type su into a console
11:30<avu>ruben, it has a manpage you know
11:30<sney>open a terminal, su, enter password, you are now root hooray
11:31<ruben>Thank you very much
11:31<resume-prob>there is noone that can help me?
11:31<valdyn>!kbuild
11:31<resume-prob>with Squeeze AMD64 2.6.29-2, problem doing modules, kbuild
11:32<valdyn>resume-prob: its in the debian faq
11:32<valdyn>resume-prob: its in the debian wiki even
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11:32<locklace>resume-prob has not exhibited a great deal of initiative in independent investigation
11:32<sney>he likes to hear things directly from the horse's mouth
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11:33<shamanix>what was the file i have to edit to force the mtu of my nic so i dont have to ifconfig eth0 mtu xxxx every time?
11:33<mrnice`>i am recovering a crashed system (swraid1, libc6,.. ) now its up again, but got segfaults with hal (ld-2.9.so) and aptitude
11:33<mrnice`>some clues?
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11:33<resume-prob>wiki,debian.org, kbuild no match found
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11:34<valdyn>resume-prob: you need to click text, not title
11:34<locklace>shamanix: /etc/network/interfaces i guess
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11:35<resume-prob>ok
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11:37<dudulle>hello! a french chat exist for debian? (sorry for my bad english i'm french)
11:37<avu>!fr
11:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
11:37<dudulle>thanks !!!!
11:37<valdyn>resume-prob: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
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11:37<resume-prob>guys, question: i can make a kbuild?
11:38<locklace>i can has kernel?
11:38<shamanix>ok it has something like iface eth0 inet dhcp, am I right to asume i just put mtu 1472 after this?
11:38<valdyn>shamanix: nope
11:38<avu>shamanix, see man 5 interfaces
11:38<valdyn>shamanix: dont mess with mtu
11:38<shamanix>I have to mess with mtu because of router and isp
11:39<avu>shamanix, for how this file works. also, if it's about a pppoe connection or something like that, you might want to clamp to mtu using iptables
11:39<avu>shamanix, debian usually does that by default though
11:39<valdyn>mms clamping is done with the ppp scripts somewhere, automagically
11:40<avu>in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d, yeah
11:40<shamanix>yes its a pppoe connection, the recommended mtu I found for my isp is 1472
11:40<shamanix>thats also what I set my router to
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11:42<lili>how can i copy the content of w3m or lynx or firefox to the vi editor??
11:43<Xeross>copy it, enter vi insert mode press shift + insert
11:43<Xeross>just guessing
11:43<darsie>lili: copy to a file and then load with vi.
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11:44<lili>darsie: you mean i shall save the web page first??
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11:44<darsie>should work
11:44<shamanix>all i have in ip-up.d is 50firestarter, 50guarddog, exim4 (note that I did a rather minimal debian install)
11:44<darsie>or mark the text with the mouse, and while in insert mode in vi paste it with the middle mouse button.
11:44<valdyn>shamanix: pppoeconf places 0clampmss there
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11:46<ruben>No luck with my screen display
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11:48<shamanix>I may be wrong, but do I even need to configure pppoe, I mean the router does all that stuff, never needed a protocol driver in windows like raspppoe or something, just plain old tcpip going from my network card to my router
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11:50<lili>Xeross: you give the most convenivent solution , Thanks!! we can copy code from firefox to vi. shift + insert
11:50<valdyn>shamanix: then your router is doing it all and you dont need to do anything at all
11:51<valdyn>shamanix: and you want to remove firestarter or guarddog and not have 2 firewalls
11:51<Xeross>lili: yw
11:51<shamanix>still if I would set my network card mtu back to its default 1500 my connection would go at snail pace
11:52<valdyn>shamanix: your router is broken?
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11:52<shamanix>well it is a D-link, some would say yes :-)
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11:54<shamanix>oh and I don't have both firewalls enabled, I'm just new and on a software testing frenzy
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11:56<bja>ruben: Take a look on the nvidia site, If your card is very old, I think you have to take the legacy driver that is available from the nvidia site directly. Have you ever had X11 working with your card on the resolution you want?
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12:20<shamanix>I exited Transmission a few hours ago, tried to start it a few minutes ago and it says it is still running, however I don't see the window anywhere, what can i do?
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12:20<cahoot>pgrep transmission?
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12:21<shamanix>says 13768, is this the process id?
12:22<shamanix>normally id just xkill the bastard, but without a window I'm out of luck :-(
12:22<cahoot>pkill
12:22<locklace>yes; pkill transmission
12:22<locklace>and if you think you're out of luck without a window, you need to rethink your choice of operating system
12:22<cahoot>one doesn't really need x to do work
12:23<cahoot>doh
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12:24<shamanix>I've only been using linux for like 2.5 days, so I'm pretty much learning the commands as I go
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12:25<locklace>man -k is often useful
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12:45<fabio7774>I am building an embedded Debian platform based on Lenny (5.0)
12:45<Sa1nT>Are there somebody who speaks russian?
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12:46<fabio7774>how can I get rid of You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)
12:46<fabio7774>I don't need security at all
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12:46<amphi>!tell Sa1nT -about ru
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12:47<fabio7774>it happens from tty . I used chage but it doesn't help
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12:51<Guest426>im trying to install ftp.img onto a usb key , but i get missing operating system tried several times
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12:52<sem>guys, i'm working a debian lenny box on kernel 2.26.1
12:52<sem>i want to ugrade to 2.6.28
12:52<valde>ola
12:52<sem>does anybody know how?
12:52<cahoot>Guest203: got a bootloader on the stick?
12:53<Guest426>cahoot, not sure what you mean.
12:53<cahoot>Guest203: http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/Default.aspx?pageindex=6&pageid=45
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12:55<sem>it is not in the repositories... do u know how can i download and install it?
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12:56<adb>sem: install 2.6.29
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12:56<djc>the current kernel in lenny is 2.6.26
12:57<sem>how can i install 2.6.29?
12:57<adb>http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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12:57<fabio7774>anyone can help ?
12:57<djc>and unless you have some specific reason it doesnt work properly for you, there is no reason to upgrade
12:57<djc>!anyone
12:57<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
12:57<djc>!asking
12:57<dpkg>if you have a question, don't ask "does anybody know about foo", don't ask if you can ask it... just ask it.. if somebody knows, they'll answer :) Just don't repeat your question
12:57<adb>fabio7774: #emdebian
12:58<fabio7774>adb: sorry ?
12:58<adb>ask there ?
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12:58<fabio7774>ok
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12:59<sem>dpkg soz
12:59<dpkg>i haven't a clue, sem
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12:59<djc>you mean sox?
12:59<djc>!sox
12:59<dpkg>i guess sox is imagemagick for audio
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13:00<sem>though the linux-image-2.6.29 doesn't exist in the packages directory
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13:01<adb>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.29&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all
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13:01<sem>i was looking in the testing directory... thnx
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13:02<adb>yw
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13:19<resume-prob>about kbuild, i follow instructions but i have a problem:
13:19<resume-prob>http://mibbit.com/pb/fYNcRr
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13:19<resume-prob>"How to build a kbuild by yourself"
13:19<resume-prob>http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
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13:20<Guest426>cahoot, Thanks , used unetbootin in the end
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13:21<resume-prob>A follow this instructions to make a kbuild by myself: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage, and i have this error: http://mibbit.com/pb/fYNcRr
13:21<resume-prob>please anyone help
13:22<eeeuser>resume-prob: please be patient
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13:22<eeeuser>if someone has an idea on how to help you, they will speak up
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13:24<resume-prob>Ok, thanks
13:24<eeeuser>can you paste the full output of the command that you entered?
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13:25<eeeuser>need more than is in that link.
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13:25<Xeross>resume-prob: It looks like the extracting of the file is failing
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13:28<resume-prob>that was all , the command was home/user/linux-kbuild-2.6# ./debian/bin/genorig.py ../Desktop/PC/linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2
13:28<eeeuser>looks like you are missing the bz2 file :)
13:28<resume-prob>i have downloaded kbuild from svn
13:28<Xeross>try replacing ../Desktop/PC/linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2 with the absolute path
13:29<resume-prob>i have the bz2 file
13:29<Xeross>resume-prob: I mean instead of ../blablabla start at /home/user/w/e
13:30<Xeross>absolute path
13:30<Xeross>from the root
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13:30<resume-prob>ill try
13:30<eeeuser>resume-prob: if Xeross' suggestion doesn't work, try changing to the dir that contains the bz2
13:31<resume-prob>dont worked
13:31<gsimmons>resume-prob: Verify you have sufficient disk space for the extract operation. Also, what is the MD5 checksum of your kernel tarball?
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13:32<resume-prob>yes 10 GB
13:32<resume-prob>MD5, i dont have
13:33<resume-prob>but its the last kernel of kernel.org.
13:33<resume-prob>i tried to redownload it some times
13:33<eeeuser>reume-prob: to get the md5, type "md5sum filename"
13:33<resume-prob>a6839571a9e70baf821d2fb752f9c4c6 linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2
13:35<eeeuser>where did you dl it from?
13:35<resume-prob>www.kernel.org
13:35<gsimmons>resume-prob: Wrong checksum. It should be 64921b5ff5cdadbccfcd3820f03be7d8
13:36<resume-prob>at really it is linux-2.6.29-2.tar.bz2
13:36<Xeross>try redownloading with wget
13:36<resume-prob>but the linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2 dont works, its corrumpted
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13:37<Xeross>resume-prob: s/corrumpted/corrupted
13:37<resume-prob>sorry
13:38<resume-prob>i hit it: wget http://ftp.de.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2
13:38<ghantoos>resume-prob: why don't you get using: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.29 ?
13:38<ghantoos>it will download and extract the source in /usr/src/
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13:38<resume-prob>did it exists?
13:38<ghantoos>yes
13:39<resume-prob>in Debian Repository?
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13:39<ghantoos>yes
13:39<ghantoos>http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-source-2.6.29
13:39<ghantoos>in sid
13:39<resume-prob>humm, im using Squeeze
13:40<ghantoos>resume-prob: you can download it from here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/linux-source-2.6.29/download
13:40<resume-prob>i know, im downloading
13:40<resume-prob>then its only dpkg it?
13:40<ghantoos>yes
13:41<resume-prob>it works well?
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13:41<resume-prob>because the kernel.org file is corrupted XD
13:41<ghantoos>the .deb or the new kernel?
13:41<ghantoos>resume-prob: ah, yes it works well :)
13:41<resume-prob>XD
13:41<ghantoos>resume-prob: I tested it 2 days ago
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13:41<resume-prob>ty
13:41<ghantoos>resume-prob: ;)
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13:42<kp_duck>Hi, my upgrade of Debian Sid/Experimental just failed. I cannot come longer than kdm. Then I need to do a console login where I can barely see some messages which end with stack, vdso, vsyscall and somelibs, e.g. /lib/ld-2.9.so. Anyone with an idea how this can be fixed? Thanks in advance.
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13:43<cahoot>experimental - really?
13:43<resume-prob>done, then?
13:43<Xeross>why upgrade to sid :S
13:43<cahoot>in that case you're supposed to be able to figure out the fix yourself
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13:44<ghantoos>resume-prob: cd /usr/src/ you should find linux-source-2.6.29.tar.bz2
13:45<resume-prob>not found
13:45<Xeross>kp_duck: it's not experimental for no reason
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13:46<ghantoos>resume-prob: I just installed on my machine, and I have the file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.29.tar.bz2
13:47<kp_duck>Hi again. I just noted that it had been reported and is in /pool//debian/utils
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13:48<resume-prob>http://mibbit.com/pb/vTwSTP
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13:48<resume-prob>i dont understand
13:49<ghantoos>resume-prob: remane linux-source-2.6.29.tar.bz2 to linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2
13:49<ghantoos>s/remane/rename/
13:50<ghantoos>(this is just a hint..)
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13:50<l33tmyst>Testing irsii
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13:53<resume-prob>same error, just file name changed
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13:54<Xeross>check the md5sum again
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13:57<resume-prob>0291464bfec86a70759a8b9a1bf6e890 /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2
13:57<gsimmons>resume-prob: You need to use a vanilla kernel tarball, as stated in the instructions. linux-source-* tarballs contain Debian modifications.
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13:58<resume-prob>humm
13:58<resume-prob>but the vanilla of kernel.org is corrupted
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14:04<jaimesilva>hello everybody!
14:04<gsimmons>resume-prob: No, you just downloaded linux-2.6.29.2.tar.bz2 instead of linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2. The instructions even state "important: the 2.6.x version, no 2.6.x.y version".
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14:05<kp_duck>And, now it works again! :)
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14:05<jaimesilva>I hope you all have a very nice day, it is a beautiful sunny day here in Pereira
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14:06<ghantoos>resume-prob: i just tested genorig.py using a kernel from kernel.org and it works
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14:06<ghantoos>resume-prob: wget http://ftp.de.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2
14:06<ghantoos>as gsimmons said (not the .2)
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14:07<stuckey>Would someone tell me if I created my partitions correctly? I posted the output of 'fdisk -l' here: http://paste.debian.net/35040/
14:07<stuckey>I'm not really sure if that's the right way to do it...
14:08<jaimesilva>I got a question: I have installed a locally modified versión of gnome-volume-manager that fixes the automount problem but every time I upgrade apt installs the repository copy, how can I avoid that?
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14:08<dr|z3d>Pin the version you want to keep.
14:09<locklace>stuckey: "correct" in what sense
14:09<stuckey>locklace: I don't know... what sense of partitions exist?
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14:09<ghantoos>jaimesilva: I had the same version, I didn't want to pin it as it is bound to be updated from upstream
14:09<jaimesilva>I wan't it to be upgraded when a new version comes (to see if the bug is fixed) but, meanwhile, I want the locally installed copy.
14:09<stuckey>locklace: does it seem to make sense?
14:09<ghantoos>jaimesilva: so i created a -3 instead of the -2 available in the repos
14:10<locklace>stuckey: only you can answer that
14:10<jaimesilva>ghantoos, and how can I do that?
14:10<stuckey>locklace: no I think there's some objectivity to my question
14:10<ghantoos>jaimesilva: I have it available if you want
14:10<jaimesilva>ghantoos, yes please
14:11<stuckey>locklace: I made / as primary and the rest are logical partitions---is that right?
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14:11<locklace>stuckey: it's reasonable
14:11<stuckey>locklace: I made /tmp 500mb, /home 5gb, /var 5gb
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14:11<stuckey>i made /usr 5gb
14:11<locklace>stuckey: but you might be better off using something like lvm for the non-root space
14:11<stuckey>locklace: how so?
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14:11<locklace>stuckey: you don't need a partition for /tmp
14:12<locklace>stuckey: and a /boot might be good
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14:12<stuckey>locklace: what's a /boot?
14:12<stuckey>locklace: i thought that's the first one... / is /boot?
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14:13<bcw>stuckey: /boot is where the bootloader files are.. it's not the same as /
14:13<bcw>hi all
14:14<stuckey>Why do I need a /boot?
14:14<bcw>because booting happens before anything else
14:14<stuckey>I don't understand
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14:15<locklace>stuckey: my view, create three primary partitions: /boot, /, and <everything else> and make the last lvm
14:15<stuckey>locklace: what's lvm?
14:15<locklace>stuckey: create your swap, /home, whatever in the lvm space
14:16<locklace>!lvm
14:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net.
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14:16<resume-prob1>im on?
14:16<teratoma_>sometimes your kernel or grub does not understand how to boot off of a lvm partition, or rather its a case of not knowing the proper params to use when booting off of a lvm partition
14:17<stuckey>What's the benefit to using lvm?
14:17<resume-prob1>sorry, my internet down here.
14:17<resume-prob1>im downloading kernel by the wget like u said
14:17<bcw>you can resize logical volumes without repartitioning
14:17<bcw>and create new ones, remove them, etc.
14:17<teratoma_>under lvm you can resize partitions, create software RAID partitions, magically copy the entire partition
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14:18<stuckey>Okay thanks
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14:19<teratoma_>i usually make a 200 meg /boot partition, a LVM partition named 'swap' for swap and a LVM partition for / named 'slash'
14:19<locklace>not so great to put / on lvm as it happens
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14:20<resume-prob1>omg it works
14:21<ghantoos>resume-prob1: :)
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14:23<bcw>speaking of lvm, i'm reading the LVM-HOWTO at tldp.org, and it says i need to use resize2fs with the number of blocks i need. but the resize2fs(8) says it understands K, M, G suffixes. do resize2fs and lvreduce have different ideas of what a kB is (1000 vs. 1024), or what?
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14:24<locklace>bcw: haha, i ran into the same thing
14:24<bcw>locklace, and?
14:25<locklace>bcw: i ended up just saying the hell with it and used G for everything
14:25<resume-prob1>ghantoos, i need to be on my new kernel to done my new kbuild?
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14:26<bcw>locklace, ok... then they must not have different ideas of a GB... good to know, thanks
14:26<ghantoos>resume-prob1: you won't be on your new kernel as long as you didn't build its package (dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc)
14:27<resume-prob1>well, i have already done it
14:27<resume-prob1>yesterday
14:27<locklace>bcw: my reasoning was that everyone constantly uses lvm and e2/3fs together so surely people wouldn't have been so daft as to give them the same unit syntax but different semantics
14:27<bcw>heh
14:27<resume-prob1>only faults kbuild
14:28<locklace>bcw: on the other hand, betting against human stupidity is historically a very risky prospect
14:28<bcw>lol
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14:28<locklace>so ymmv and caveat partitionor
14:28<ghantoos>resume-prob1: how did you build it yesterday, and you just got ./genorig.py to work?
14:28<enouf>resume-prob1: if you are patching the kernel prior to compile, you should really read the kernel README
14:30<resume-prob1>humm, i compile it yesterday without knowing about kbuild
14:30<resume-prob1>ill have to do it again?
14:31<resume-prob1>(i pointed 2.6.29 kernel, but the file name is 2.6.26. its a bug?)
14:31<davi>What package must I install to get extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
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14:33<davi>I have /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 from libgl1-mesa-glx package. Why GLX is not working for me?
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14:35<djc>davi, what are you trying to run that requires that?
14:35<resume-prob1>sorry my mistake
14:35<davi>djc, blender
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14:35<djc>did you install blender using apt?
14:35<djc>and from the debian repositories?
14:36<davi>yes
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14:36<davi>djc, and I have restarted X
14:36<djc>hrm.. perhaps its a hardware dependency, eg, perhaps your display hardware doesnt offer that function
14:36<djc>not terribly familiar with 'glx' myself
14:37<davi>I have a Radeon, with the radeon driver from unstable
14:37<DervishD>Hi everyone, I just experienced something freaky. I'm running testing and I just did a aptitude full-upgrade but upon logging out I was presented with a blank screen and my keyboard was dead. I need a little help figuring out what's going on.
14:38<davi>djc, I think the radeon driver is not OpenGL capable, but I was hoping for at least OpenGL by software.
14:38<ghantoos>davi: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in Section "Modules", do you have Load "glx"?
14:38<djc>davi, DervishD I think you answered your own question. I quote .. "I'm running testin"
14:38<davi>ghantoos, yes
14:38<djc>"g"
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14:40<davi>ghantoos, I think besides Load "glx" I am missing something in the xorg.conf
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14:40<DervishD>@ djc: Lol, yeah, I know it's testing but this is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me in the 2,5yrs I've been runnig testing.
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14:41<ghantoos>davi: what graphic card do you have?
14:41<bcw>DervishD, full-upgrade sometimes breaks things temporarily.. did you try rebooting?
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14:42<davi>ghantoos, radeon. I have had to install the unstable radeon driver from Debian unstable because the one on Debian lenny refused to work
14:43<DervishD>@ bcw: I was forced to reboot (a hard reboot actually) because my keyboard was completely dead.
14:43<ghantoos>davi: can you paste the output of 'lspci | grep -i radeon' ?
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14:43<bcw>DervishD, and did it work after rebooting?
14:43<davi>ghantoos, I think my xorg.conf file is missing Load "drm" # Direct Rendering or something like that
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14:44<DervishD>@ bcw: Haven't tried it again because I don't want to do another hard reboot ;-)
14:44<locklace>DervishD: be a man
14:45<DervishD>I still have an old xorg.conf lying around, I'll see what happens if I use that one.
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14:45<bcw>DervishD, you haven't tried what again? booting the computer, or full-upgrade?
14:45<davi>ghantoos, lspci is not working here. The output is empty
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14:46<ghantoos>davi: are you sure you have a radeon?
14:47<DervishD>@ bcw: logging out. I thought you were talking about that. A full-upgrade is pointless now because I just did a full-upgrade.
14:47<ghantoos>davi: can you paste the output of 'lspci | grep VGA' ?
14:48<davi> ghantoos of course, I have a: POWERCOLOR HD4650 512MB DDR2, which is a Radeon one
14:48<bcw>DervishD, i was talking about whether the computer worked at all after rebooting. but yeah, you're gonna have to try logging out again eventually, just to see if the problem is permanent
14:49<DervishD>@ bcw: My computer is still working fine. I think the x-server isn't restarting or waiting for something.
14:49<djc>k3b's horizontal scrolling is very annoying.
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14:50<davi>ghantoos, The output of /usr/bin/lspci is empty. Nothing. Without parameters and without pipe.
14:50<locklace>DervishD: can you switch back and forth between x and other vts
14:50<ghantoos>davi: ouh, i see..
14:50<ghantoos>davi: sudo lspci gives the same result?
14:51<DervishD>@ locklace : no problem switching between x and a shell
14:51<davi>ghantoos, I am logged as root
14:51<locklace>DervishD: then exiting x shouldn't be a problem either
14:51<ghantoos>davi: :)
14:52<davi>:) I could reboot, but I would like to avoid it
14:52<ghantoos>did you try something like this? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide#Method_1:_Installing_from_Debian_non-free
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14:52<DervishD>@ locklace : exiting x isn't the problem. The problem is that x doesn't restart :-(
14:52<davi>ghantoos, let me look at that link
14:52<locklace>DervishD: how are you starting x
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14:53<davi>ghantoos, fglrx driver is buggy and crash on video play. Even the one at unstable has problems
14:53<davi>ATI proprietary drivers suck
14:53<davi>ATI sucks
14:54<DervishD>@ locklace " with Ctrl>Alt>Backspace
14:54<ghantoos>davi: :)
14:54<bja>Isn't ATI drivers supposed to be open source?
14:54<davi>I only hope the Free Software driver follow improving. The one at unstable work more or less well, except to the OpenGL thing
14:54<locklace>DervishD: no, that's an (ungraceful) way to kill the running x
14:55<locklace>bja: there are two kinds, open source (aka radeon/radeonhd) and proprietary (fglrx)
14:55<davi>bja, I have a problem with OpenGL. There is not acceleration support in the ATI Free Software driver, yet.
14:55<bja>Thanks for the comments
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14:55<locklace>davi: however i understand they just released the code for 3daccel, so hopefully that will change in the near future
14:55<davi>locklace, The proprietary one is buggy :P
14:55<DervishD>@ locklace : I should use the logout aplet but I'm just so used to doing it that way.
14:56<locklace>DervishD: i am still trying to figure out how you are starting x. i'm guessing you're using some kind of display manager like gdm
14:56<davi>locklace, Has ATI released the 3daccel code as Free Software?
14:56<davi>!
14:56<resume-prob1>please guys, give a look
14:56<resume-prob1>http://mibbit.com/pb/ACGM7S
14:56<locklace>DervishD: if the problem is still present (the first thing you should do is verify whether it is), then
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14:57<locklace>DervishD: then my suggestion is to not use the display manager and start it manually with startx
14:57<DervishD>@ locklace : Sorry, yes, I'm using gdm
14:57<locklace>davi: yes
14:57<davi>cool!
14:57<locklace>davi: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_r700_oss_3d&num=1
14:57<davi>looking at such link
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14:58<jaimesilva>afaik the open sourced ati driver has good 3d support now
14:58<DervishD>gonna try a couple of things....
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14:58<locklace>jaimesilva: i wish
14:59<jaimesilva>at least a radeon xpress card i own is working fine
14:59*bcw gonna try resizing my lvm partitions now.. back later, thanks to locklace for the advice
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14:59<Flakk>Hi people, I wanted to install the recenet version of stable debian on my laptop. So I copied the DVD images and tried to burn a DVD. However k3b answered: you can not add files of more than 4 G to the data project. somewhat surprising. Any help?
15:00<davi>cool, that is the right way. The software want to be Free locklace
15:00<resume-prob1>please guys, look at this output http://mibbit.com/pb/ACGM7S
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15:00<davi>locklace, It is a pity we will have to wait to the next Debian release to get all this benefits
15:00<jaimesilva>i know it is an old card but the radeonhd takes care of new cards
15:01<locklace>Flakk: why not just burn one of the netinst disks, they aren't very big at all
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15:01<olegteror>=)
15:01<locklace>Flakk: they'll fit on a cd or usb
15:01<Flakk>locklace: i really prefer install from CDroms
15:01<locklace>davi: hell no, i run a much newer driver than the one that's in the debian repository
15:01<Flakk>i never succeeded with netinstall
15:02<davi>locklace, compiled?\
15:02<locklace>davi: no, one of the guys in #radeon builds .debs of recent ones
15:02<davi>locklace, any URI?
15:03<Flakk>what I am asking : is it really impossible for k3b to copy the files more than 4 G onto a DVD disc? if yes then why the dvd images are larger than 4 g?
15:03<locklace>davi: forgot, sorry. ask #radeon on freenode
15:03<davi>thanks locklace
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15:03<locklace>Flakk: dvd capacity is 4.7gb
15:03<zaccour>how come debian packages have to be at least 2 years old?
15:03<stuckey>Hello, I'm trying to install nvidia drivers according to the instructions posted at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but I get this error when I run the script for determining which version should be used: "Uh oh. Your card is only supported by versions ulterior to 173, which were only packaged in unstable.
15:04<stuckey>"
15:04<stuckey>Would someone please offer me some assistance?
15:04<locklace>zaccour: what
15:04<zaccour>i mean for release, everything is old
15:04<zaccour>just to be consoidered stable
15:04<Flakk>locklace I know. So is this k3b which is not efficient? should I try another way of burning?
15:04<locklace>stuckey: get a newer driver package from sid
15:04<resume-prob1>help? http://mibbit.com/pb/ACGM7S
15:04<stuckey>locklace: how?
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15:05<locklace>Flakk: i'd say so
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15:05<locklace>zaccour: yes, that's what stability means: well-tested over a significant period of time. if you want to trade off stability for novelty, you pull packages from testing or unstable
15:06<locklace>stuckey: in your case, probably easiest just to download the server package directly from the web and install it with dpkg -i
15:06<stuckey>locklace: which package is this?
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15:08<resume-prob1>:-Dfgdfgdfgfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
15:08<locklace>stuckey: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx
15:08<resume-prob1>sorry,
15:08<locklace>resume-prob1: you seem to be having a hard time understanding how irc works
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15:10<resume-prob1>not at all, i had a script problem here
15:10<stuckey>locklace: that didn't work
15:10<stuckey>http://paste.debian.net/35045/
15:10<Flakk>locklace: thanks for discussing. This is not k3b which is deficient this is myself: i tried to make a DVD disc instead of wrtiting a dvd IMAGE, which is a separate option. Now burning the DVDrom, k3b seems to accept all
15:11<locklace>stuckey: so you need to install the nvidia-kernel package also (first)
15:11<stuckey>locklace: from where?
15:12<resume-prob1>need for help: http://mibbit.com/pb/ACGM7S
15:12<locklace>stuckey: http://debian.org/distrib/packages
15:13<bja>stuckey: nvidia-kernel`uname -r`
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15:13<bja>stuckey nvidia-kernel-common
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15:14<stuckey>bja: wait... what do I need to isntall?
15:15<DervishD>the problem definitely lies with x. I purged gdm and when I logout and want to login again from the shell I again get a blank screen. with startx
15:15<locklace>DervishD: so you'll want to have a look at the Xorg.log
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15:15<locklace>DervishD: it's strange that it starts up once but not twice
15:15<bja>stuckey: both
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15:16<DervishD>@ locklace : already did that and it doesn't mention anything usefull. I was expecting it to say "fatal server eroor, screen nor found"
15:17<stuckey>djc: from unstable?
15:17<locklace>DervishD: btw what kind of card do you have
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15:17<locklace>DervishD: and when it hangs, is it a complete freeze or is just the video blank
15:17<DervishD>An nvidia fx5200 with driver 173.14.12
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15:17<stuckey>locklace: djc I don't see nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`
15:18<stuckey>I only see nvidia-kernel-source
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15:18<DervishD>here's someting unusual: AUDIT: Sat May 2 21:13:34 2009: 3300 X: client 4 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
15:18<DervishD> Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
15:18<DervishD>AUDIT: Sat May 2 21:13:34 2009: 3300 X: client 4 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
15:18<DervishD> Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
15:18<DervishD>AUDIT: Sat May 2 21:13:34 2009: 3300 X: client 4 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
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15:19<deniz>in system-->preferences--> sessions ---> startup programs, i had added and checked the box for "compiz --replace" as suggested by the debian wiki for compiz and when i uncheck the box or even now when I removed that complete, compiz still starts up, sudo killall compiz doesn't kill anything because there is nothing to kill apparently! i love compiz but on my laptop, it causes many inconveniences like keyboard shortcuts don't work, my time/calenda
15:19<deniz>r on panel doesn't show at all etc!
15:19<althaser>where is mkinitrd file ??
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15:20<bja>stuckey: those are the packages that are needed to have the nvidia working, or if you want the nvidia way You'll have to download the Executable from the nvidia site which compiles the modules needed for your specific card. And you'll have to do it every time you upgrade your kernel.
15:20<locklace>stuckey: if you actually look at the info on the page http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx you will see the list of dependencies, i.e. packages you need to have installed first
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15:20<deniz>o and it also makes my web browsers epiphany and firefox crash
15:21<spacepluk>hi, someone has a bcm4312 working with kernel 2.6.29-1-686 and b43 module?
15:22<resume-prob1>how can i resolve kpkg dependencies?
15:22<resume-prob1>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: warning: can't parse dependency ooobasis30-pt_br
15:22<resume-prob1>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: warning: can't parse dependency ooobasis30-pt_br-impress
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15:23<DervishD>I'm gonna do some searching with google and see if i can find anything
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15:24<stuckey>locklace: djc: nvidia-kernel-180.44 isn't available... and nvidia-glx* depends on it.
15:24<stuckey>What do you recommend I do?
15:24<locklace>DervishD: see if it works with a different xorg.conf if you have one or with the vesa driver
15:24<locklace>stuckey: see above
15:24<bja>spacepluk: Looking for the info, I believe there is no support
15:25<locklace>stuckey: but since it involves building something from source, i am guessing it's going to be beyond you
15:26<stuckey>locklace: where's the source at?
15:26<DervishD>@ locklace : i found a couple of bug reports about x not starting with the nvidia driver when the nvidia installer is used.
15:26<locklace>stuckey: the link is right there on that page
15:26<locklace>stuckey: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-source
15:27<bja>spacepluk: the driver for the broadcom card is on the package b43-fwcutter take a look at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
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15:27<stuckey>okay so where it says for building information... got it
15:29<stuckey>locklace: it says <YOUR BUILD LOCATION>
15:29<stuckey>should I just use soemthing in /tmp?
15:29<valdyn>stuckey: its really just "m-a a-i nvidia" after module-assistant is installed and if you are using a debian kernel
15:30<spacepluk>bja: I've tried with v43-fwcutter but the device is not listed with ifconfig
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15:30<bja>spacepluk: is the card set to on?
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15:31<bja>spacepluk: lspci|grep BCM4312
15:31<stuckey>valdyn: okay... I'll try that.
15:31<spacepluk>bja: 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
15:32<resume-prob1>Please, can anyone help me?
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15:32<resume-prob1>http://mibbit.com/pb/ACGM7S
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15:32<stuckey>valdyn: thanks, I think that worked!
15:33<valdyn>stuckey: dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel
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15:33<bja>spacepluk: take a look at "http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43"
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15:33<stuckey>valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/35048/
15:34<bja>spacepluk: I grew tired of trying to have it work. Good luck.
15:34<bja>spacepluk: If you happen to make it work, don't forget to give me a call =)
15:35<valdyn>stuckey: ok, it worked and built and installed the right one
15:36*bja unloads his remaining beers for every one to enjoy. While he picks his stuff and goes to work.
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15:36<spacepluk>bja: sure I will :)
15:37<spacepluk>too late :P
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15:40<resume-prob1>Why dont you talk to me? nobody knows how to solve it? http://mibbit.com/pb/ACGM7S
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15:41<resume-prob1>dpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b linux-kbuild-2.6-2.6.29 gave error exit status 1
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15:42<valdyn>resume-prob1: thats one fucked up source tree when its finding mangled openoffice dependencies in a kbuild directory
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15:44<resume-prob1>thanks, but how to solve?
15:44<valdyn>resume-prob1: redo it from scratch
15:44<resume-prob1> start all again?
15:44<resume-prob1>ok, ill try
15:44<valdyn>resume-prob1: its hardly much
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15:45<resume-prob1>Thank you by halping
15:45<resume-prob1>helping
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15:45<valdyn>resume-prob1: reread the docs too, those files like testelinux-2.6_2.6.26.orig.tar.gz or linux-2.6.29.tar.bz2 dont belong there
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15:48<resume-prob1> linux-kbuild-2.6_2.6.29.orig.tar.gz belongs?
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15:48<stuckey>valdyn: x doesn't start
15:48<valdyn>stuckey: sure
15:49<valdyn>stuckey: did you read the wiki about nvidia drivers at allß
15:49<valdyn>stuckey: did you read the wiki about nvidia drivers at all?
15:49<stuckey>valdyn: yes
15:49<stuckey>valdyn: I edited my xorg.conf to say "nvidia" for the driver
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15:49<valdyn>stuckey: is nvidia-glx installed now?
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15:51<stuckey>valdyn: it says can't find "nvidia" module
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15:51<valdyn>stuckey: is the package nvidia-glx installed now?
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15:52<valdyn>stuckey: it wasnt installed when i saw your paste earlier
15:52<stuckey>valdyn: I think it was installed... since it's installed now.
15:52<stuckey>valdyn: and I haven't changed anything else I sent you that link.
15:52<valdyn>stuckey: so its not installed
15:52<valdyn>stuckey: dpkg -l nvidia-glx
15:52<stuckey>valdyn: It shows up in dpkg -l | grep nvidia
15:53<valdyn>stuckey: rc means its not installed
15:53<stuckey>valdyn: oh
15:53<stuckey>valdyn: okay now it's installed.
15:54<valdyn>stuckey: start your X
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15:58<spacepluk>ifconfig
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16:12<bcw>locklace, it worked. thanks again :)
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16:16<bcw>(looks like both resize2fs and lvreduce use the 1 kB = 1024 B idea by default.)
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16:19<majhool>i'm trying to ghostscript and it hangs at "Updating category psprint.."
16:19<majhool>is there anyway i can get some debug information out of dpkg?
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16:25<vinsci>after upgrading a sid system today, kdm fails to start a desktop session. I also noted that update-grub crashes due to a glibc detected memory handling error. Any ideas?
16:26<bcw>majhool, the dpkg manpage says to use --debug=help to get more info about debug options
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16:26<majhool>bcw: yeah, thank you. it looks like i'm going to have to get the package source to see what this updating category stuff does
16:27<bcw>majhool, yeah, that should work, but i'm sorry i don't know an easier way.
16:28<majhool>bcw: yeah, it kind of sucks -- but at least i can get to the source!
16:29<bcw>/usr/share/doc/dpkg might also have some useful info
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16:30<stuckey>How do I keep my screen from blanking when watching a movie with mplayer?
16:31<majhool>xset -dpms
16:31<bcw>(i'm looking at it now.. doesn't look like it offers much. i'm sure there's a better guide out there, but i don't know where.)
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16:32<majhool>bcw: yeah... the problem is dpkg can only tell me if a script's exited cleanly or not. but i think if the script hangs, dpkg won't be able to do anything useful with it, you know?
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16:32<majhool>it appears to be a defoma issue
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16:33<floflo530>hey i have problem with ssh2.so http://pastealacon.com/2760
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16:33<ml|>stuckey: add the following to your xorg.conf ... http://paste.debian.net/35051/ the restart X
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16:35<floflo530> hey i have problem with ssh2.so http://pastealacon.com/2760
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16:38<bcw>majhool, defoma?
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16:40<floflo530>Plz Help me !
16:40<majhool>bcw: well, dpkg told me that it was running the postint script, and that runs defoma-app -t update gs
16:40<majhool>bcw: which produces the Updating category *.. output
16:41<bcw>majhool, i was confused about what defoma was, but google told me.
16:41<majhool>bcw: however when i run defoma-app update gs (i.e., don't return 0 even if it fails) it passes
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16:41<majhool>bcw: ahh
16:41<majhool>bcw: it's debian's nifty font manager
16:41<bcw>i see
16:42<ml|>stuckey: and to manually blank the screen( put monitor on stanby) save the following and make it executable, save like in /usr/local/bin/ and add it to a keybind
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16:42<ml|>stuckey: http://pastebin.com/f20070cd7
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16:43<bcw>majhool, i don't know a lot about dpkg's internals -- there might there be some way to run the postinst scripts in the background, but i don't know how useful that would be. you might want to file a bug report against the defoma package
16:44<majhool>bcw: it's starting to look like i spoke to soon - it appears that defoma-app is doing its job just fine, and that the postint script is hanging on lpstat-r
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16:46<bcw>majhool, sounds like you have a lot better idea what's going on than me :)
16:46<majhool>bcw: hehe, i'm the one who got myself into this mess, so it figures. but thanks a lot for your recommendations!
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16:47<bcw>np
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16:48<linduxed>i want to do this: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 without creating a script, someone from this channel showed me how to write a command of it all
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16:48<linduxed>basically i want to have rm delete a set of files
16:49<linduxed>and that set is defined in a textfile
16:49<majhool>linduxed: pastebin an example of this textfile so i can see what the format is
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16:50<linduxed>majhool: http://pastebin.com/f4c525ea8
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16:50<linduxed>majhool: that is the file
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16:52<majhool>linduxed: rm `cat /path/to/textfile | tr '\n' ' '`
16:53<bcw>linduxed, cat /path/to/textfile | xargs rm should also work, i think.
16:53<blarson>linduxed: xargs rm </path/to/textfile
16:53<majhool>xargs ftw
16:53<bcw>yeah, that too
16:54<linduxed>ive heard some bad things about xargs
16:54<linduxed>but i dont have an opinion on the subject
16:54<bcw>linduxed, well, you wouldn't want to use it like that if any of the filenames contained spaces. but that would also be a problem with the tr snippet above
16:55<majhool>it's not a real complicated command
16:55<llutz_>rm $(<filelist)
16:55<Supaplex>if they're newlines, convert them to \0 then use xargs -0
16:55<linduxed>am too much of an amateur to have an opinion on the matter :-P
16:55<majhool>he's right; but it depends on how you generated that list of files... wouldn't it be ok if the spaces are escaped with \ ?
16:55<Supaplex>tr '\n' '\0' < bye-bye-files.txt | xargs -0 rm
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16:55<majhool>or would that still make xargs balk?
16:55<llutz_>linduxed: rm $(<filelist)
16:56<Yoda-BZH>for i in $(cat $file); do rm $i; done
16:56<ml|>linduxed: you can also do with no text file.... find . type d -name "awesome" -exec rm -r -i {} \; from / dir
16:56<Supaplex>only if the shell expands the spaces, so the filename remains as one paramater
16:56<bcw>majhool, good question, i don't know
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16:56<majhool>hmm
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16:58<ml|>linduxed: forgot a "-" this will work 'find . -type d -name "awesome" -exec rm -r -i {} \;' from / dir
16:59<ml|>linduxed: that will remove any dir with name awsome with your conformation
16:59<ml|>linduxed: to remove files just change '-d' to '-f'
17:00<amphi>find uses .by default
17:00<ml|>:q
17:00<ml|>ha
17:01<bcw>majhool, i just tried xargs echo and it removed the \ before it got to echo
17:01<majhool>majhool: huh
17:01<majhool>wow
17:01<majhool>bcw: xargs echo?
17:02<bcw>even tried it with Hello\nWorld and the output was HellonWorld
17:02<majhool>bcw: aahh
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17:02<majhool>bcw: yeah, it totally won't work with an escaped space
17:03<majhool>bcw: or any slash, as you've shown
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17:03<brunner>I just rsync'd /var/lib/mysql from one box to another, but now I can't start mysql. How do I find my debian-sys-maint password?
17:03<mrnice`>hi, i want to install debian on raid1 crypt lvm. i have done that before. with d-i lenny or d-i daily i got "partman-crypto" no key available with this passphrase". some ideas?
17:03<majhool>bcw: but you can do xargs -0, which will make it terminate fields with a null character instead of a whitespace
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17:04<majhool>bcw: and now i've rediscovered exactly what supaplex said above
17:05<Supaplex>tr '\n' '\0' < bye-bye-files.txt | xargs -0 rm ftw :)
17:05<bcw>Supaplex, nice :)
17:06<majhool>you were ahead of your time Supaplex
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17:08<brunner>meh, I just copied the password from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf on my old box to my new box, and it worked.
17:08<brunner>I'm not sure if that will screw something up down the road or not, but it works for now, heheh
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17:22<Supaplex>any suggestions on power management for an idle server? fans are loud, and there's nothing really running on the box right now. I'd like it to conserve as much power as possible while on when idle.
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17:23<rakul>hi all. need help in bash scripting.
17:24<vinsci>try #bash
17:24<rakul>ok, thanx
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17:26<rakul>seems nobody is online there :-]
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17:26<majhool>Supaplex: lm_sensors to control the fans...
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17:27<vinsci>rakul, so what do you need help with?
17:28<majhool>Supaplex: ...and see if you have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor which will let you adjust the cpu frequency
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17:28<majhool>Supaplex: i reckon that's better than just turning the fan off
17:28<locklace>Supaplex: already run powertop?
17:28<majhool>also a good idea
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17:29<valdyn>Supaplex: cpu frequency scaling is enabled?
17:29<majhool>Supaplex: before you think about spinning down any of the drives, take a look at the second topic on http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/faq
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17:29<valdyn>Supaplex: try running powertop for hints too
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17:31<bcw>rakul, #bash on irc.freenode.net might have more people too
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17:37<rakul>thanks all, i found somebody online :-)
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17:44<Guest459>how do i compress a file in the .zip format by using the terminal and not do it graphically by selecting "create zip archive" when I right click on the file?
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17:44<locklace>zip
17:45<dr|z3d>Guest459: man zip
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17:48<Guest459>locklace, i cded to desktop which is where the file is then do zip filename.odt and it says: zip error: Nothing to do! (jg.odt)
17:48<Guest459> which parameter must I include?
17:48<dr|z3d>Guest459: Like I said, man zip will tell you all you need to know.
17:49<dr|z3d>If you're incapable of reading man help entries, you're beyond our help here :)
17:49<Guest459>dr|z3d, but those manuals are always so hard to understand compared to guides :( but i guess ill have to
17:49<bcw>Guess459: actually, odt files are already zip files
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17:50<Guest459>bcw, the odt file is just a test file, i wanna do something else
17:50<bcw>Guest459, then you need something like zip -cvvf new_archive.zip file1 file2 ...
17:51<majhool>Guest203: it's usually easy to get what the command line options are from the first few lines of a man page...
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17:52<ml|>some manpages are better than others
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17:53<majhool>man undocumented ?
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17:53<zornilemma>Could anyone please tell, how to disable the 3D acceleration in Debian. The problem is that I want to run the Mathematica 7 Home Edition on Debian and it does not crash the X11 in VirtualBox virtual machine, Ubuntu 9.something , it only complains that the 3D is not enabled in the virtual machine, but on "direct hardware", Debian, it crashes the X11. i have also noticed that other OpenGL apps freeze my laptop, if executed.
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17:53<bcw>majhool, hahaha... yeah, that's THE best manpage :)
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17:56<johns>I'm not able to get the X server to start on the mipsel machine with siliconmotion -- http://paste.nerv.fi/97408474.txt
17:56<jesperj>where shall I mount a new input device in /sys/class/input/input13 (created when plugged in ps2 device in usb to ps2 adapter)? something like /dev/newinput? as what filesystem do I mount the new device?
17:57<johns>(running sid)
17:57<johns>any ideas?
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17:57<johns>this is with an empty xorg.conf
17:57<johns>the final error is "0: /usr/bin/X11/X(xf86ConfigLayout+0) [0x5ff894]"
17:58<damjan>can an ADM64 Debian Lenny, be installed with the 32bit net-installer?
17:58<zornilemma>johns: as far as I recall, there was some kind of an autoconfiguration utility, x86config or something, in the /usr/something/X11/some_bin_ folder
17:59<Nemoder>damjan: you can install 32bit debian on a 64bit machine but if you want 64bit debian then use the amd64 installer
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17:59<damjan>Nemoder: I was hoping to not maintain 2 PXE installers :)
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18:00<ootput>damjan: no
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18:02<Nemoder>damjan: there is not that much of a performance gain using 64bit system, might be easier to keep everything 32bit
18:02<damjan>Nemoder: this is for servers, with 4 or 8gb of RAM - so I guess there's at least some benefit from 64bit
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18:03<bcw>johns, looks to me like the last error is "(EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)" it wants the Linux framebuffer, which debian has in the "xserver-xorg-video-fbdev" package. try installing that
18:04<johns>bcw: Yeah, I had fbdev installed, which gave a different error
18:04<johns>bcw: It said, unable to run in framebuffer, please specify PCI ids for all devices
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18:04<johns>which is odd, because it detects the PCI id correctly
18:04<jesperj>input: Generic USB K/B as /class/input/input14
18:04<jesperj>how do I use this device?
18:05<jesperj>do I have to mount it somehow?
18:05<jesperj>how?
18:05<ootput>evdev
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18:05<damjan>jesperj: it's used by default
18:05<bcw>johns, then i don't know. sorry :(
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18:06<jesperj>damjan: ? what do you mean? it is not working or activated. it works when I plug it in at other computer and windows though but not here on debian
18:06<jesperj>ootput: I need to mount it with evdev?
18:06<damjan>jesperj: strange, USB keyboards and mice work by default when I plug them
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18:07<bcw>johns, but i guess debian isn't set up to use the framebuffer by default.. it seems to rely on the textmode display
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18:09<bcw>johns, an empty xorg.conf is unusual, that might be your problem
18:09<johns>bcw: nah, not unusual anymore
18:09<bcw>mmm... ok, if you say so. i know mine's not empty, and i've never touched it
18:10<johns>installer these days sets up a basically blank one
18:10<bcw>well maybe _mostly_ empty, but not totally, right?
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18:11<johns>bcw: comments and about 3 lines
18:12<bcw>johns, i don't know enough about xorg.conf to help you with it, but someone else might need to see those 3 lines to help.
18:12<majhool>johns: does it load with vesa instead of fbdev
18:13<johns>bcw: no, it's okay, it's not the 3 lines that's the problem :) this is somewhat odd hardware and it is not so surprising that the autodetection isn't working
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18:13<johns>majhool: no, the log doesn't say anything about vesa at least
18:14<majhool>johns: i would do two things: 1) set the Module line in the Device section to vesa, and see if the x server loads 2) then set it back to fbdev and set BusID to the appropriate PCI id
18:15<majhool>johns: you may want to just skip to 2)
18:15<johns>majhool: okay, I'll give those things a try
18:15<majhool>johns: if vesa doesn't load, then i'd guess it's not the display module's problem. but i'd still try 2)
18:15<majhool>oh, wait
18:15<majhool>it's seg faulting
18:16<johns>yes
18:16<majhool>hah, i should read the log first. ok then, could you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
18:16<majhool>or did you already do that
18:17<johns>majhool: http://paste.nerv.fi/97408474.txt
18:17<majhool>ok
18:18<majhool>ok, well, do try it with vesa and fbdev, if have the fbdev package installed
18:18<majhool>and i'll look and see if this is an upstream bug
18:19<majhool>because you're getting messages from the siliconmotion driver it seems pretty clear that it's responsible for the SIG11
18:20<johns>majhool: okay, trying with fbdev and specifying the device id now
18:20<majhool>johns: and if you just want to disable the acceleration for siliconmotion, you can use Option "NoAccel"
18:20<damjan>afaik: fbdev needs a working Linux framebuffer
18:21<majhool>hm
18:21<johns>framebuffer is working
18:21<majhool>ok, that's one way to do it
18:21<majhool>er, if you were answering me
18:21<johns>majhool: no, damjan, sorry :)
18:21<johns>I mean framebuffer console is working
18:21<johns>fbi and mplayer work, for example
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18:22<damjan>johns: you know.. then that might conflict with the X driver, have you tried without?
18:22<johns>damjan: have not tried without, no
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18:28<zornilemma>Could anyone please tell, where is the graphics card driver for the X11 determined?
18:29<SlimeyPete> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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18:29<SlimeyPete>in the "Device" section
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18:29<deniz>when I install debian, does it use the radeon driver on my ati card by default? or does it use something else that is unversal and I have to manually make it use the radeon driver?
18:29<SlimeyPete>it will use the open-source radeon driver by default
18:30<SlimeyPete>well, it should do anyway
18:30<SlimeyPete>check xorg.conf to see
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18:30<deniz>SlimeyPete, ok because on my laptop, i had to tell xorg.conf to use the intel driver for my laptop's intel video card to use compiz, but here compiz doesn't work, what do I do?
18:30<damjan>deniz: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it uses
18:30<dr|z3d>deniz: The Debian philosphy means the chances of a non-free driver as default are pretty slim..
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18:31<deniz>dr|z3d, i dont want a nonfree
18:31<deniz>dr|z3d, i just want compiz to work
18:31<SlimeyPete>deniz: if you want fglrx (closed-source ATI driver with 3D support) you need to install it
18:31<SlimeyPete>!fglrx
18:31<dpkg>hmm... fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati @ irc.freenode.net.
18:31<johns>majhool: vesa fails with no devices detected
18:31<deniz>SlimeyPete, i want radeon, not fglrx
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18:31<Roberth>hello, I am considering to try debian, but I got a question about packaging, lets take an example the mplayer package, is there any easy way to rebuild it if I want to change compile options and dependencies?
18:31<zornilemma>Thank You, SmileyPete, for the answer. :) Howerver, if the Device section contains only 2 lines, first one: Identifier "Configured Video Device" and the second one: BusID "PCI:1:0:0" , then how do I switch a driver?
18:31<SlimeyPete>deniz: chances are it's in use, then. Check xorg.conf.
18:31<dr|z3d>deniz: You'll need to install the non-free driver.
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18:32<deniz>dr|z3d, why? ubuntu works out of the box without fglrx and compiz?
18:32<deniz>not ?
18:32<SlimeyPete>zornilemma: that's a bit odd in Debian, but xorg will try to guess the correct driver for you. If you wish to specify one, add a line along the lines of "Driver 'intel'" (where 'intel' is the name of the driver you want)
18:32<dr|z3d>Ubuntu more than likely enables the non-free driver.
18:32<johns>majhool: hm, but using fbdev works!
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18:32<SlimeyPete>deniz: ubuntu automatically installs fglrx
18:33<deniz>dr|z3d, no it doesn't unless you choose to manually
18:33<deniz>SlimeyPete, no it doesnt
18:33<SlimeyPete>that's not true any more
18:33<SlimeyPete>it will install it automatically now.
18:33<SlimeyPete>at least, it did for me
18:33<deniz>well on 8.10 or 8.04 it's true
18:33<SlimeyPete>thing is, the 'radeon' driver only includes 3D support for certain chipsets
18:33<amphi>enough of this ubuntistry!
18:34<locklace>ubunturbation?
18:34<SlimeyPete>though maybe that will improve - I hear ATI open-sourced their driver but I have no idea if they've actually followed through with it ?
18:34<deniz>SlimeyPete, my x600 pro worked with 3d on open source b4
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18:34<zornilemma>and what might be a nice, safe, bet that will certainly not try to do any 3D acceleration, while keeping the 2D working?
18:34<amphi>I heard several amd people hang out in #radeon on freenode...
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18:34<zornilemma>I meant, what driver.
18:35<majhool>johns: ok, then maybe it's the acceleration?
18:35<SlimeyPete>deniz: lucky you
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18:35<SlimeyPete>zornilemma: what graphics chipset do you have?
18:35<majhool>johns: if you can live with fbdev, then you're good to go. otherwise, try Option "NoAccel" w/the siliconmotion driver
18:36<johns>man, a lot of broken packages in sid mipsel..
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18:36<deniz>SlimeyPete, ya but why doesn't compiz work at all on squeeze? like i like debian because it's very stable, etc but when it comes to compiz i've only run into problems on debian and not ubuntu
18:36<SlimeyPete>zornilemma: as a last resort, "vesa" will give you working (slow) 2D without 3D
18:36<johns>majhool: okay, going to try the noaccel now
18:36<SlimeyPete>deniz: I've seen problems on both
18:36<johns>(things like gnome-terminal, aptitude...)
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18:36<majhool>johns: man siliconmotion suggests that it might be a trouble maker
18:36<SlimeyPete>compiz has a way to go yet, as do the Linux graphics drivers
18:36<deniz>SlimeyPete, ok but can you help me solve my problem please?
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18:37<SlimeyPete>deniz: well, could you re-iterate your problem please?
18:37<SlimeyPete>I'm getting confused
18:37<zornilemma>according to the lspci: VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro]. However, whenever one executes anything that has anything to do with OpenGL, the laptop either freezes or the X11 crashes.
18:37<deniz>SlimeyPete, when I type compiz in terminal, it doesn nothing but "try to enable it"
18:37<zornilemma>intereastingly, the OpenGL things seem to work flawlessly for the first few seconds before the freeze
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18:37<SlimeyPete>deniz: try "glxinfo | grep -i dri" and see if it outputs anything
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18:38<deniz>SlimeyPete, http://pastebin.com/mf610473
18:38<SlimeyPete>zornilemma: hrm. Well, the "vesa" driver will stop the crashes if you don't mind slightly slow video (and no 3D acceleration)
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18:39<SlimeyPete>deniz: no mention of dri there; you're not using a driver which supports video acceleration
18:39<zornilemma>exellent. So, the line in the xorg.conf should be: start(Driver "vesa")end ?
18:39<SlimeyPete>you may need to use fglrx, like it or not
18:40<SlimeyPete>zornilemma: in Device, yes, it should read: Driver "vesa"
18:40<deniz>SlimeyPete, am i using radeon?
18:40<SlimeyPete>deniz: sounds like it. Check xorg.conf, but I would bet on it
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18:40<zornilemma>I'll try. And thank You, SmileyPete, for help. bye
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18:40<SlimeyPete>radeon is the default and doesn't support DRI on all cards
18:41<rainman>hi all, can someone help me with mdadm ,pls? i need create raid1 using 2discs(mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md3 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1) everything seems ok... but after reboot i can't see cat /proc/mdstat nothing... where is a problem ,pls?
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18:41<SlimeyPete>why does everyone think I'm called SmileyPete? ;)
18:41<deniz>SlimeyPete, http://pastebin.com/m6f13270c
18:41<SlimeyPete>it's a common mistake - I think people like to think of me a s a smiley guy
18:42<SlimeyPete>ah... nothing specified so chances are X.Org is choosing the "radeon" driver, yes
18:42<SlimeyPete>seeing as Debian doesn't install fglrx by default
18:42<johns>majhool: NoAccel didn't help, I also tried setting UseFBDev to True, but same error
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18:43<majhool>johns: hm, well as damjan pointed out, it's possible that the fb console driver is messing up things for the xorg driver
18:44<majhool>johns: so the last thing to do would be to disable the fb console driver and try it then
18:45<deniz>SlimeyPete, sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver?
18:46<majhool> /join #eee-pc
18:46<majhool>woops
18:46*majhool is a rookie
18:46<johns>majhool: Yeah, going to give that a shot now.
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18:51<Fuser>ae
18:51<Fuser>canal BR?
18:51<dr|z3d>!br
18:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:52<Fuser>ok sorry
18:52<Fuser>bye
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18:55<TongueOfColicab>hi, ive downloaded the debian 5.0 dvd1 yesterday, when i try to install it, in step "load components"
18:55<TongueOfColicab>the system cant find jfsutils file
18:55<TongueOfColicab>and i cant continue the installation
18:55<TongueOfColicab>what can i do?
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19:09<famelix>.SalaNet
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19:10<famelix>#SalaNet
19:11<famelix__>que son perros
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19:11<ml|>!es
19:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:12<johns>majhool: argh, any suggestions for video options to set? Now I have blank screen in console. Tried vga and ask
19:12<famelix_>HOLA CUAL ES LA MEJOR DISTRIBUCION DE DEBIAN
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19:13<famelix_>QUE RECOMIENDA PARA UN NOVATO DE LINUX
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19:13<famelix>buenas que recomiendan para un nobato de linux hubunto debian
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19:13<Jorge>hola
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19:14<ml|>!es
19:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:14<majhool>johns: ah oh. well, you're using a kernel from debian. i.e. you didn't compile it?
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19:14<LeoNet>Hola
19:15<locklace>it's the spamish inquisition
19:15<ml|>more like spanish trolls
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19:15<majhool>johns: if so then the fb console is controlled by a kernel module. you should be able to blacklist it/prevent it from loading
19:16<johns>majhool: no, it's a custom kernel
19:16<majhool>johns: though your platform may require the fb driver to get any console... i had a laptop like that
19:16<majhool>johns: ok, did you compile the fb driver into the kernel?
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19:18<johns>majhool: I didn't compile it myself sadly so I'm not sure
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19:18<majhool>johns: ok
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19:19<johns>majhool: I think it's compiled in though, because I didn't see a fb module in lsmod
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19:20<TongueOfColicab>SOMEONE can help me??
19:20<majhool>johns: hmm, well then off the top of my head i can't think of a way to disable it. maybe vga=vesa
19:20<johns>majhool: the previous boot setting in pmon was video=sm501fb:1024x600, but now I'm screwed because this azerty keyboard can't type a : in pmon :/
19:20<TongueOfColicab>i recently post a question without response
19:20<majhool>oerr vga=normal
19:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 401] by debhelper
19:21<majhool>oh man that is no good at all
19:21<amphi>TongueOfColicab: you could also ask in #debian on freenode if no one knows here
19:21<johns>majhool: no, ridiculous in fact
19:22<majhool>well do try vga=normal
19:23<TongueOfColicab>freenode is another server?
19:23<bcw>TongueOfColicab, irc.freenode.net
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19:23<bcw>yes, it is
19:24<charly>como entro a ubuntu-es
19:25<johns>majhool: hah, found the colon
19:25<dr|z3d>charly: /server irc.freenode.net pues /join ubuntu-es
19:25<majhool>johns: win
19:25<majhool>johns: i was going to recommend a live cd or something like that
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19:26<majhool>johns: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Azerty_fr.svg ?
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19:27<loco>hola patos
19:27<bcw>i'd like to add this factoid to dpkg: "no answer is when nobody knows how to solve a problem, and they decide not to bother you with their ignorance; it is not meant as disrespect." i tried typing that in /msg dpkg, it said "okay" but then still says it doesn't know when i type "no answer". what's up?
19:27<loco>hola patos
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19:28<goodger>!no answer
19:28<goodger>aha
19:28<goodger>bcw: no spaces are allowed in the key
19:28<goodger>use no_answer
19:28<bcw>i see, ok, thanks
19:29<bcw>thanks, that worked :)
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19:30<johns>majhool: yeah, I guess I need to figure out if fb is required, it's seeming like it is
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19:31<majhool>johns: if it is, then i think you're stuck with fbdev in xorg
19:32<majhool>johns: unless you want to use [xgk]dm and never plan to use the console
19:32<famelix__>what
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19:36<peyman>hi everyone, i have a dell inspiron 1420 laptop with squeeze installed on it. the problem is that my microphone doesn't work. my audio controller is: "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)". anyone has any idea how to solve that?
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19:44<johns>majhool: yeah, well, thanks for the tips -- I'm happy enough with fbdev for now I guess
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19:46<johns>though strangely it's now overriding my keyboard layout settings
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19:46<majhool>johns: np. you set the keyboard layout in xorg.conf or with xmodmap in a start up script?
19:47<johns>majhool: this is something specific to this hardware I think, it's loading evdev and setting the layout that way it looks like
19:48<majhool>johns: ugh... well, i guess keyboard layout problems are less annoying than X display problems :)
19:48<johns>majhool: heh, definitely
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19:49<majhool>johns: though you might try, in the short term, to get xkeycaps and create an .xmodmap file that you can rely on to set up your keyboard for you
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19:51<johns>majhool: yeah, though this should be pretty straightforward, just need to figure out how to configure the evdev device in xorg.conf so it doesn't do the auto setup and switch to the be layout
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19:52<johns>it's loading it from hal
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20:02<herbheart>Hello everyone. this is my first time on this channel, so please excuse me if I break the rules in ignorance
20:02<Xenguy>hi
20:02<herbheart>I'm a not-so-new-bie. Been using Debian full time for about 3 years now. I just tried to upgrade my laptop from Lenny to Squeeze and gconf2-common won't install
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20:03<herbheart>hi Xenguy
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20:03<azeem>herbheart: pastebin the error message
20:03<azeem>!paste
20:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
20:03<herbheart>if I was getting a googlable error message that would be useful
20:04<azeem>what would be useful?
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20:09<herbheart>an error message that tells me what caused it to fail is what would be useful
20:09<herbheart>I pasted it http://paste.debian.net/35059/
20:10<herbheart>usually, I can find a solution to my problem (by searching) or it means that I'm doing something stupid (so I'm the only one with the error)
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20:11<resume-prob>hello guys, i need help (again)
20:11<herbheart>azeem? have you deserted me?
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20:12<herbheart>resume-prob, what's your prob
20:12<herbheart>?
20:12<majhool>herbheart: that's a weird error
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20:13<majhool>herbheart: but it seems that it's a result of locale problems...
20:13<resume-prob>module assistant
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20:13<herbheart>I've tried every logical combination of dpkg --purge/configure/install that I can think of
20:13<resume-prob>error, everytime i try make a module to kernel 2.6.29
20:13<johns>well, I've got the layout set up okay, but now my left alt key is apparently being treated as an AltGr
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20:13<resume-prob>sure
20:13<herbheart>I can't imagine that the perl errors are causing the problem. cuz if I set the locale that perl complains about, I get the same error (no message)
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20:14<goodger>is there any specific advice for using adobe flash on debian? my system decodes youtube videos at framerates I wouldn't expect of crysis
20:14<majhool>johns: i had a similar problem... and...
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20:15<majhool>johns: echo -e 'keycode 0x71 = Alt_R Meta_R' | xmodmap - solved it
20:15<majhool>but your keycode is probably different
20:15<majhool>of course
20:15<goodger>or rather, it sometimes does that, and other times merely eats all my CPU cycles
20:15<resume-prob>i compiled Kernel 2.6.29. Now i cant install any module! Fglrx, or madwifi!
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20:16<majhool>herbheart: it's not perl, it's locale(1)
20:16<johns>majhool: hm, okay. Seems like this shoud be fixable through the XkbModel or XkbOptions...
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20:16<herbheart>check out the new paste http://paste.debian.net/35060/
20:16<majhool>johns: yeah. also, _R should be _L in my example above
20:17<johns>majhool: mine is being read as keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L)
20:17<resume-prob>all problems are realted to kdist-build
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20:18<majhool>johns: i bet XkbOptions is a good option to investigate...
20:19<majhool>herbheart: ok, so the post-installation script is returning 128 instead of 20 now
20:19<herbheart>resume-prob, what error are you getting when you try module-assistant
20:20<resume-prob>wnhen i try make any module it appears.
20:20<majhool>herbheart: so i'm going to see if that's something ucf can return; in the mean time, see if /usr/share/gconf/path exists
20:21<resume-prob>im on Win now, i cant use internet on Debian Anymore
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20:21<herbheart>majhool, I don't see why it should exist. I've purged the package using dpkg 3 times already
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20:22<herbheart>the first paste I submitted was after a purge of the same package
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20:22<majhool>herbheart: well, it should exist because it's in the post installation page. if the package didn't install properly, purging it won't cancel and reverse the installation process
20:22<majhool>herbheart: dpkg has to install the package before it removes & purges it
20:23<herbheart>it doesn't comlain when I purge. it just does. same for --remove.
20:24<herbheart>the path does exist. and after a purge it's gone
20:24<herbheart>comlain == complain
20:24<majhool>herbheart: ok, well if there's anything in /usr/share/gconf that the package can't account for it won't remove it and it'll hang around even after a purge
20:24<herbheart>I've also tried downloading the package directly from packages.debian.org and installing it using dpkg -i
20:25<majhool>herbheart: that seems to be the case with these md5sums: "However, there are historical md5sums around."
20:25<bcw>eesh, don't do that (unless you absolutely have to)! it has no advantage when you can use aptitude
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20:26<Roberth>anyone know where I can find mplayer package built without gui?
20:26<majhool>herbheart: so you're sure that /usr/share/gconf/default.* does not exist after a purge?
20:26<herbheart>believe me folks, I'm not one to mess with the super-cow. but this one has got me.
20:26<johns>Is there a comprehensive list of XkbOptions somewhere?
20:27<herbheart>just purged, and it was still there. removed the folder. gonna try re-install now
20:28<majhool>herbheart: ok, if that doesn't work...
20:29<herbheart>aptitude install gconf2-common
20:29<herbheart>is what I'm using
20:29<majhool>herbheart: try ucf --purge /usr/share/gconf/default.path
20:29<herbheart>same thing
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20:30<redskull>hhello
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20:31<azeem>herbheart: did you verify the package state with dpkg -l after the purge? is it really purged?
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20:31<herbheart>azeem. I literally just did that
20:31<redskull>helo
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20:32<herbheart>of course, using aptitude it does a lot of other things too, and those ucf complaints also come from a couple other packages.
20:33<azeem>maybe try dpkg instead of aptitude then to isolate the issue
20:33<majhool>herbheart: you tried ucf --purge?
20:34<herbheart>I did
20:34<herbheart>I purged the package first, then I did the ucf --purge (the folder didn't exist at the time though)
20:36<herbheart>what the hell does this mean
20:36<herbheart>"However, there are historical md5sums around."
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20:37<majhool>herbheart: ok, try it this way: 1) install, let it fail with its ucf complaint 2) do ucf --purge /etc/gconf/2/path 3) do dpkg --configure -a
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20:39<herbheart>majhool. I install, it fail. I execute ucf --purge /etc/gconf/2/path and try dpkg --configure, but I use the package name instead of -a
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20:39<herbheart>we're still exiting with status 20
20:39<majhool>herbheart: and the same error?
20:39<majhool>hm
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20:40<herbheart>this is easily the most trouble I've had with a debian system.
20:40<herbheart>and I just upgraded 4 servers to lenny. I guess that's why we call it "testing"
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20:40<azeem>to me it sounds like your perl packages are busted or something
20:40<majhool>herbheart: this is weird
20:40<azeem>herbheart: this happens on all of them?
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20:40<herbheart>azeem that's what it sounds like to me too.
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20:41<azeem>did you try reinstalling perl?
20:41<majhool>ucf's a bash script
20:41<azeem>hrm
20:41<herbheart>here is the wierd thing though, those perl errors we were getting earlier, disappear when I export LANG=en_US.UTF-8.
20:42<majhool>ucf --purge /usr/share/gconf/default.path
20:42<herbheart>but it always had that value, just with " (quotes) around it
20:42<herbheart>what's the big diff
20:42<majhool>then dpkg --configure -a
20:42<herbheart>can I ucf --purge the whole damn folder?
20:42<majhool>well, ucf's supposed to keep track of individual config files
20:42<majhool>so no, i don't think so
20:43<majhool>no go?
20:43<herbheart>where can I turn on a debugger that will show me more info of what this thing is trying to do?
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20:44<majhool>herbheart: no debugger; vi /usr/bin/ucf
20:44<herbheart>I'll edit some bash/perl/python scripts if I have to, I just have no idea where to look
20:44<majhool>it's a bash script
20:44<herbheart>ok thanks... first start
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20:44<majhool>and i apt-get source'd gconf2-common and looked at its postinst script
20:44<majhool>it just calls ucf
20:44-!-azeem_ [~mbanck@pD9E1C920.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
20:44<majhool>so it's got to be a ucf problem
20:44<majhool>or it something really, really hairy
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20:45<herbheart>maybe I need a trim
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20:45<bcw>there _is_ a command that lets you trace exactly what a bash script is doing.. it was being discussed here earlier this week.. but i forget what it's called
20:45<majhool>whoa, are you for real?
20:45<Rickster>how can i enable reboot and shutdown with xfce on debian?
20:45<majhool>debugging shell scripts is torture
20:46<majhool>huh
20:46<alec>if you want to see what a bash script is doing, put set -x at the top
20:46<majhool>ah ha!
20:47<alec>it's not a debugger, but it's close enough
20:47<alec>try to have as few compound statements as you can
20:47<bcw>yeah, i think -x was what i was thinking of
20:47<azeem_>this is about other people's code
20:47<majhool>herbheart: either stick -x in the shebang or run bash -x ucf /usr/share/gconf/default.path /etc/gconf/2/path
20:48<majhool>as that's what's in the postinst script
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20:50<herbheart>lots and lots of output but the last line is a good clue it says "the hashfile exists"
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20:52<majhool>hm
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20:53<Roberth>does sid have a non-free repo?
20:54<SQlvpapir>yup
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20:54<majhool>well
20:54<n3cro>can anyone help me install debian lenny on a Dell Optiplex 320 with an Adaptec Satahost Raid 1430SA?
20:55<majhool>herbheart: grep -r gconf /var/lib/ucf
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20:55<herbheart>majhool: nothing
20:55<majhool>ok
20:56<n3cro>i tried to install Lenny on Dell 320 with the acpi=off. my 2 sata drives already are configured as raid1. but still the installer sees them as 2 different drives
20:57<majhool>herbheart: do an ls -R /usr/share/gconf/ and pastebin the output
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20:58<herbheart>http://paste.debian.net/35062/
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20:59<noon334>exit
20:59<noon334>quit
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21:00<herbheart>look at this one too. this is the ucf command output : http://paste.debian.net/35063/
21:00<herbheart>n3cro what kind of help do you need?
21:01<herbheart>this typing break thing is getting annoying now. back in 4 min.
21:02<n3cro>first i would like to know if its only normal for the installer to view 2 separate drives when you already configured the drives as raid1?
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21:12<majhool>herbheart: i guess we need to see where it's exiting with a non-0 value. so run it with bash -x and pastebin the results
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21:20<Roberth>is there anyone here who use debian stable or oldstable on desktop?
21:21<aardvarX>i am using stable, yes
21:21<Roberth>aardvarX: why dont you use testing or unstable?
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21:22<aardvarX>i am too lazy to test i guess :P
21:22<aardvarX>Roberth, did you find mplayer nogui yet?\
21:23<Roberth>aardvarX: yes but way to old one
21:23<aardvarX>Roberth; add debian-multimedia to your repository - it should have one for testing
21:24<aardvarX>also w32codecs n stuff if you want to use them
21:25<Roberth>aardvarX: its still rc2
21:25<aardvarX>smplayer is my favorite flavor
21:25<Roberth>and it draws lots of uneccesary dependencies
21:26<aardvarX>i use lxde to keep my virtualbox and smplayer lite
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21:27<ComradeHaz>Hi all, bit worried about one of my HDDs. How do I force fsck to check all my discs on next boot?
21:27<ircleuser>Hello
21:27<gsimmons>!tell ComradeHaz -about forcefsck
21:28<ComradeHaz>thankyou :)
21:28<ircleuser>hi could someone tell me which image file I need download to a iso cd?
21:28<herbheart>majhool : the paste is at http://paste.debian.net/35066/
21:28<ircleuser>I have an intel pentium 3
21:28<ircleuser>can someone recommend me which image I should download please?
21:29<penpen>i386
21:29<ComradeHaz>32bit
21:29<ircleuser>Thank you so much :)
21:30<penpen>np :(
21:30<penpen>lol
21:30<ircleuser>which file should I get?
21:30<penpen>:)
21:30<ircleuser>are they all the same?
21:30<ircleuser>debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso is this fine?
21:30<ircleuser>or are they all different
21:30<sney>install disc 1
21:30<sney>ircleuser: i386
21:30<penpen>if you have a wired network connection, i would recommend just going with the netinst
21:31<sney>yeah that one is fine
21:31<penpen>otherwise cd1 should be fine
21:31<ircleuser>ok thank you very much :)
21:32<bcw>herbheart, take a look at line 206. it looks like the error is happening there. try bash -xc 'exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/bin/ucf -v -d2 /usr/share/gconf/default.path /etc/gconf/2/path'
21:32<bcw>er, if it's a bash script
21:32<ComradeHaz>ircleuser: do net install probably
21:32<bcw>it's a perl script
21:32<ComradeHaz>and come back and ask later about apt sources :)
21:33<bcw>but that seems to be where the problem is
21:33<majhool>yeah, that's got to be where the exit code gets bumped above 0
21:33<herbheart>bcw, that seem to have worked
21:34<herbheart>the file is created now.... but will that help the dpkg cause?
21:34<sney>anything that you need that isn't on it will be downloaded either during install or later using apt
21:34<sney>that works too
21:34<ircleuser>Hi yea problem is the system is so old that it only takes CD, floppy and Hard Disk
21:34<sney>though downloading a 600-ish MB iso and downloading a smaller iso and some packages later will come out to about the same amount of time and bandwidth usage
21:34<ircleuser>so I have to make a iso cd :S
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21:36<bcw>herbheart, well since it's not a bash script, so now you need to find a way to execute perl in debugging mode. i forget how to do that since i lost all interest in perl as soon as i saw python
21:36<aardvarX>ircleuser, you should try the fxce-lxde cd, nice for older systems, i am using now
21:36<herbheart>LOL
21:36<herbheart>I never bothered to learn perl when I discovered python
21:38<herbheart>I'm looking at /usr/bin/ucf now, and I see /bin/bash at the top
21:38<sney>do you mean no network connection?
21:39<herbheart>ignore that
21:39<bcw>yeah, ucf is a bash script but /usr/share/debconf/frontend is apparently a perl script (and that seems to be where the problem is coming from, judging by the trace you pastebin'd)
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21:40<herbheart>got ya. which sounds like if I fix those locale errors properly then the perl problem should be on its way to be fixed?
21:41<bcw>keeping in mind that perl isn't fresh in my memory, it looks to me like the perl executable doesn't like your locale settings. maybe that quote " you were talking about earlier
21:41<bcw>yes, i think so
21:41<herbheart>when I executed that line on it's own ( line 206 ), it worked and created the file
21:41<bcw>hmm
21:41<bcw>did it give you any errors?
21:41<herbheart>although it did puke about the locale but still worked
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21:42<bcw>well it still has issues then, and perl is probably causing the exit with status 20 over that.
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21:42<bcw>i think 'exec' replaces the current process with whatever it calls, isn't that right?
21:43<damjan>bcw yes
21:43<herbheart>based on the syntax, I'd say yes
21:43<bcw>so if perl exits with 20, then so will the script
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21:46<herbheart>bcw, majhool take a look at this : http://paste.debian.net/35067/
21:46<herbheart>please
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21:47<herbheart>I know I don't know perl, but that doesn't look like an exit 20 to me
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21:54<majhool>herbheart: type echo $?
21:54<majhool>herbheart: that will give you the exit code of the last command run
21:55<herbheart>0
21:55<bcw>hmm
21:56<herbheart>this is after I run the same command in that last paste
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21:57<herbheart>what I'm trying to figure out is how do we short-circuit the thing so dpkg can get that same exit code and complete the installation?
21:57<majhool>well
21:58<majhool>i mean
21:58<majhool>if you really just want to install the package, and i'm not saying you should do this
21:58<herbheart>I've already dpkg-reconfigure locales twice already. and my locale is now set to en_US
21:58<bcw>right after? you didn't start a new shell or anything?
21:58<herbheart>no man.
21:58<herbheart>no new shell.
21:59<bcw>hmm
21:59<bcw>i don't know...
21:59<majhool>but if you really wanted to do that, you could just back up ucf and replace it with a one line shell script: exit 0;
21:59<herbheart>I actually ran it again when I gave you the result
22:00<majhool>herbheart: you should probably apt-get source gconf2-common on your machine and check the postinst
22:00<majhool>in debian/
22:01<herbheart>oooh, how exciting, it does the one thing I've already done
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22:02<majhool>better safe than sorry; the one i'm looking at might not be the same as yours
22:02<majhool>and grep -r gconf /var/lib/ucf shows nothing
22:02<majhool>how about ls -R /var/lib/ucf
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22:03<herbheart>now the grep returns a lot
22:04<majhool>ok
22:04<herbheart>but what does it all mean? the list out cache files that don't exist
22:05<majhool>those are ucf's history files
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22:06<herbheart>ok I get it now.
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22:06<herbheart>kinda slow right now.
22:06<majhool>i dunno
22:06<majhool>you could try temporarily moving those to another directory
22:06<herbheart>no no. they're legit.
22:06<johns>alright, I'm still stumped by this keyboard business
22:06<johns>when I start xkeycaps
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22:07<johns>my left all key is assigned both Alt_L and Meta_L
22:07<herbheart>they're from the successful execution of the debconf/frontend perl script
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22:07<johns>and when I attempt to close xkeycaps, it complains that this will produce undefined behavior
22:07<herbheart>I'm hacking my way thru this thing. /usr/bin/ucf has already been replaced
22:07<johns>but what is setting it that way to begin with?
22:07<majhool>herbheart: http://plosquare.blogspot.com/2009/01/subprocess-post-installation-script.html
22:08<majhool>johns: did you set a modifier in the edit key dialog?
22:08<johns>majhool: no, it complains when all I do is open it and close it
22:09<johns>majhool: so something else is setting it to be both Meta_L and Alt_L
22:09<herbheart>thank you majhool
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22:10<majhool>johns: if you ran the xmodmap command line i gave you earlier, that would have done it :)
22:10<majhool>johns: i don't have any trouble with those two set to the same key
22:10<johns>majhool: heh, sadly, not that easy, I didn't run it :)
22:10<majhool>herbheart: get stuff installed? remember to replace the original ucf!
22:10<johns>majhool: hm, maybe that's not my problem then..
22:11<majhool>johns: what's going on? is something broken or is xkeycaps just complaining?
22:11<majhool>johns: xkeycaps is very talkative
22:11<johns>majhool: still just the issue with both alt keys acting like altgr
22:12<majhool>johns: ok, but you haven't reassigned the alts using xkeycaps yet?
22:12<johns>majhool: right
22:12<majhool>johns: can you just click through xkeycaps' complaints?
22:13<johns>majhool: but if it's already listed as Alt_L and Meta_L, why is it acting like AltGr?
22:14<majhool>ah, ok
22:14<majhool>now i understand
22:15<majhool>johns: xkeycaps should ask to load your keyboard from a list of possibilities when starts up. it's from those keyboard definitions that it gets its information; not from the current X device
22:15<johns>majhool: ah, okay
22:15<majhool>johns: so when you click "write output", it actually dumps a .xmodmap file for the whole keyboard -- even the keys you didn't explicitly change
22:15<johns>majhool: pretty weird that it complains about its own layouts then
22:16<majhool>johns: ayep
22:16<majhool>johns: jwz screwed something up
22:17<johns>majhool: heh, I'm sure he'll explain how that's not the case
22:17<majhool>exactly
22:20<johns>majhool: I see people talking about xkboptions like lv3:lwin_switch to set altgr, but I can't find a comprehensive list of these options
22:20<majhool>johns: one second... they're stored in a local fiile some where...
22:21<majhool>johns: they're the same for xmodmap and i just recently had to look this up
22:21<herbheart>ok I'm about to give up on this machine
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22:21<majhool>herbheart: no go?
22:22<herbheart>10 hours is more than enough time to be working on an upgrade
22:22<herbheart>it's a circle. I just keep ending up at the same place, and I'm not familiar with the tools. getting tired and cranky
22:23<herbheart>tell me your opinion, should I just change back /etc/apt/sources.list to lenny and downgrade the packages?
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22:23<herbheart>or should I blow away gnome, and install all the gnome packages from squeeze (should solve the gconf2 prob)
22:23<majhool>herbheart: at this point it's worth a shot, definitely. remember to restore ucf
22:24<majhool>herbheart: the first option. i wouldn't do the second
22:24<herbheart>I already did the overwriting of ucf and it got gconf installed, but there are a lot of missing files and missing configs, and mayeb I'm just too tired to go through and try putting them in
22:25<herbheart>gonna get some food. maybe feel better after.
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22:27<bcw>herbheart, i'm sorry i wasn't able to help earlier. cu later
22:28<majhool>herbheart: sorry man. good luck. this was pretty lame
22:28<majhool>johns: check /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/
22:29<johns>majhool: ah hah, thanks
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22:32<bcw>majhool, at least you kept trying. i gave up...
22:32<majhool>heh, got to go down fighting i guess
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22:39<johns>majhool: argh, I thought I had it with lv3:lalt_alt
22:39<majhool>hrmph, same problem??
22:40<johns>majhool: yeah
22:40<johns>majhool: hm, well with lv3:lalt_switch, it's not altgr anymore
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22:40<johns>but it's also not behaving like alt should
22:40<majhool>it's another problem!
22:40<majhool>well...
22:40<johns>like, Alt backspace doesn't delete word
22:41<majhool>hmmmm
22:41<johns>yeah, that's not the right answer, xev shows it now as level 3 shift
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22:43<majhool>johns: are you using setxkbmap?
22:43<majhool>or restarting X each time
22:43<johns>majhool: restarting X
22:43<majhool>setxkbmap -v -option 'lv3...'
22:44<majhool>the argument to option should be the same as the XkbOptions line
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22:45<prometheus>hi there
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22:46<johns>majhool: hm, the output ends with Error loading new keyboard description
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22:46<Arv3n>hi.
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22:46<Arv3n>my keyboard/mouse doesn't work on the debian installer.
22:46<Arv3n>on debian etch, my internet keeps going out (wired)
22:47<Arv3n>on debian lenny, my cd rom drive isn't detected.
22:47<prometheus>what is this channel for? i'm new to linux
22:47<Arv3n>and on lenny with a newer kernel, my usb keyboard/mouse isn't detected in the installer.
22:47<Arv3n>is someone trying to make sure my hardware isnt working? becuase if they are they're doing a really good job.
22:47-!-streuner_ [foobar@p5DD39FC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:47<Arv3n>and its really frustrating how debian fails to create a good kernel 3 times in a row.
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22:48<majhool>johns: hmm
22:48<Arv3n>especially when these problems stop me from even being able to install debian.
22:48<johns>majhool: it seems to still set the option though
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22:49<Arv3n>so does anyone have any clue on why my usb wireless keyboard/mouse isnt working on the debian installer with the 2.6.28 image (using a backported debian experimental kernel)
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22:51<majhool>johns: that would be the -v, then
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22:52<majhool>Arv3n: do you have any pertinent log messages from either installation attempt?
22:53<Arv3n>majhool, on debian etch my network device thingy keeps going up, so first reboot its eth0, then after i reboot against its eth1, then its eth2 after another reboot.
22:53<Arv3n>on lenny, the sata_nv driver gets loaded. im not sure why its not detecting my cd rom drive. no weird kernel errors/messages.
22:53<Arv3n>on the lenny with the updated kernel image, i cant even check because my keyboard/mouse doesnt work.
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22:54<majhool>no chance you have an old ps2 keyboard lying around?
22:54<Arv3n>all on the same computer, the media works on other computers, this also affects parsix (same kernel), and elive testing (similar kernel as well)
22:54<Arv3n>majhool, ha.. this thing only has usb ports.
22:54<Arv3n>dont understand how debian can screw up so bad three times in a row.
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22:55<majhool>Arv3n: what's the machine? are you running some version of linux right now?
22:55<majhool>Arv3n: if so, what's lspci have to say about your usb devices?
22:55<Arv3n>im running klikit, which is based on ubuntu hardy.
22:55<Arv3n>sec.
22:56<Arv3n>majhool, http://pastebin.ca/1410876
22:56<Arv3n>its average hardware on a dell inspiron 531.
22:56<woodrad>enouf: I don't know if you're at the computer, but thanks a lot. I don't mean to call it too soon, but my network card is working with kernel 2.6.26. Only changing those settings with ethtool seems to be needed to fix the issue.
22:57<Arv3n>i thought the backported kernel would work, seems it brings a whole new set of issues.
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22:58<Arv3n>i was going to file a bug, but you've either got the mailing list (which is totally too advanced for me -- i dont want to be on some crappy mailing list to file a bug report), or you have to be on debian itself to use the bug report tool.
22:59<majhool>Arv3n: bugs.debian.org
22:59<Arv3n>majhool, any idea?
22:59<Arv3n>and i can file one from there?
22:59<majhool>Arv3n: yep
23:00<Arv3n>similar to bugzilla?
23:00<Arv3n>ok, thanks. ill be sure to give them a piece of my mind in the bug report. :|
23:00<majhool>Arv3n: less flashy, but self-explanatory
23:00<Arv3n>excellent.
23:00<majhool>Arv3n: what's lsmod say?
23:00<Arv3n>in klikit?
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23:01<sney>see that thing where it said "experimental"?
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23:01<Guest501>hi
23:01<Arv3n>sney, dont be stupid. ive also had issues with debian etch's and lenny's kernel.
23:01<Arv3n>debian has left me no choice.
23:01<Arv3n>majhool, http://pastebin.ca/1410879
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23:01<Guest501>没人
23:03<majhool>Arv3n: ok. did you run lenny just with the experimental kernel
23:03<Arv3n>majhool, ive tried it plain as well.
23:03<Arv3n>with plain the usb stuff works, but it doesn't detect a cd drive.
23:04<Arv3n>great, isn't it? :D
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23:04<majhool>ok, i'd go with plain
23:04<Arv3n>yes, but my cd drive isnt detected in the installer.
23:05<Arv3n>thats why i tried the unstable kernel. ^
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23:06<majhool>Arv3n: i understand, but at least with a working keyboard you have a chance of trying to get the cdrom drive to work
23:06<Arv3n>yes, but how..
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23:06<Arv3n>you got any ideas?
23:07<labjar>how re you?????????
23:07<majhool>Arv3n: do you have another computer you can get on irc with?
23:07<labjar>yaiyalah masa ya iya donk
23:07<Arv3n>not really, no.
23:07<majhool>Arv3n: ok
23:07<Arv3n>just tell me what to do, ill come back.
23:07<labjar>kalian tuh ngomong apa siih
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23:09<majhool>Arv3n: ok, well frankly this will be pretty laborious. what i would do if i were in your position would be to write down the modules that cdrom depends on
23:09<majhool>Arv3n: which you will find in lsmod's output
23:09<Arv3n>got it.
23:09<Arv3n>then what?
23:09<Arv3n>interesting.. sr_mod
23:10<majhool>Arv3n: and then i would hit Alt-F2 after the installer becomes interactive, launch a shell, and try to modprobe them
23:10<Arv3n>majhool, so in lsmod to the right would be what it depends on?
23:10<majhool>correct
23:10<Arv3n>OK
23:10<Arv3n>that sounds genius.
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23:10<majhool>sorry
23:10<majhool>it's the reverse
23:10<Arv3n>i was doing modprobe -r sata_nv modprobe sata_nv and all kinds of other crap.
23:10<Arv3n>oh.
23:10<Arv3n>o_O
23:10<majhool>what's on the right is what uses the module
23:10<majhool>as the header says
23:10<Arv3n>well that doesn't help at all because i tried modprobe -r cdrom && modprobe cdrom
23:10<majhool>so sr_mod uses cdrom
23:11<Arv3n>matter of fact, the debian installer walks you thorugh that and tries to help you find a device again.
23:11<Arv3n>the problem is the device isn't showing up in /dev.
23:11<Arv3n>the hard drive does, the cd drive does not (even thought it boots from it lol!)
23:11<majhool>Arv3n: it won't until its driver is properly loaded
23:11<Arv3n>wouldnt it be the cdrom module?
23:12<majhool>Arv3n: sure looks like that
23:12<Arv3n>majhool, cdrom or sata_nv?
23:12<Arv3n>from what you're saying, methinks sata_nv handles the hard drives not the cd drives.
23:12<majhool>it's worth trying to load it, or at least seeing if it's loaded
23:12<Arv3n>pretty sure it is.
23:12<Arv3n>ill wati for the cd to download and see.
23:12<Arv3n>majhool, how much longer you gonna be on for?
23:13<majhool>and so in the console that's devoted to logging, when you modprobe'd cdrom, you didn't see anything?
23:13<majhool>hard to say
23:13<Arv3n>you think it'll be >10 mins?
23:13<majhool>that i'll be around? sure
23:13<Arv3n>ok.
23:13<Arv3n>all ive gotta do is burn & boot.
23:14<majhool>ok, well try to get some kind of log message
23:14<majhool>dmesg etc
23:14<Arv3n>majhool, ok.
23:14<Arv3n>should modprobe cdrom give some type of message?
23:14<majhool>and don't do modprobe -r cdrom && modprobe cdrom
23:14<Arv3n>like sata_nv when it's loaded gives a few messages about the hd's being loaded.
23:14<majhool>as if the first command fails, the second won't be run
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23:14<Arv3n>ok.
23:14<majhool>so if cdrom isn't even loaded yet, then you won't try to load it
23:14<majhool>use a semicolon instead
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23:15<majhool>modprobe cdrom might output something to the console
23:15<Arv3n>ok.
23:15<Arv3n>ill check and see.
23:15<majhool>but check the logging console
23:15<majhool>do you know which one that is?
23:15<Arv3n>ill find it. lol
23:15<majhool>ok, alt right arrow until you get to it
23:16<Arv3n>majhool, keep looking on the irc. i might forget your name.
23:16<Arv3n>or type it wrong.
23:16<majhool>no tab complete in your client?
23:16<Arv3n>pft, sure there is.
23:17<Arv3n>horrible memory.
23:17<Arv3n>not sure why.
23:17<Arv3n>testing, be back in a sec.
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23:24<jthomas>majhool: it's Arv3n
23:25<jthomas>ok, it's loaded (or i loaded it manually, either way)
23:25<jthomas>but when i do lsmod it doesn't have anything over on the right for cdrom
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23:25<jthomas>which is
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23:25<Arv3n>what im guessing the problem is.
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23:25<majhool>Arv3n: ok
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23:26<majhool>Arv3n: any logs?
23:26<Arv3n>majhool, you think this is it:
23:26<Arv3n>> And I can access the CD ROM. With it unmounted, the installer still
23:26<Arv3n>> fails to detect the cdrom drive; there is no /dev/cdrom symlink made
23:26<Arv3n>> when the sr_mod detects the /dev/scsi1/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd.
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23:26<majhool>woops
23:26<majhool>pastebin
23:26<Arv3n>none whatsoever.
23:26<Arv3n>i didn't think it'd kick me.
23:26<Arv3n>it did say i unloaded the driver
23:26<Arv3n>but when i loaded it it didn't say anything.
23:26<majhool>ok
23:26<majhool>did you modprobe sr_mod?
23:27<Arv3n>no
23:27<Arv3n>next time ill try that
23:27<Arv3n>do you also think i should make a symlink to /dev/cdrom from /dev/scsi1/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd?
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23:27<enouf>woodrad: thanks for the props and follow up - listen - i wish you would report to perhaps this bug (it's the closest i can find and unresolved and amd64 arch http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492853 ) - just add your entry and info (/var/log/kern.log errors) - perhaps the devs can then work it out - install 'reportbug' and it should handle it thanks
23:28<majhool>Arv3n: supposing that /dev/scsi1/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd exists, it's worth a shot
23:28<Arv3n>ok.
23:28<Arv3n>ill check around that path some.
23:28<majhool>Arv3n: but it's probably a better idea to load the other modules
23:28<Arv3n>brb. let me try this :D
23:28<majhool>like sr_mod
23:28<Arv3n>yeah, i was gonna try that first.
23:28<woodrad>sure thing, enouf
23:28<enouf>woodrad: feel free to embellish and mention the ethtool workaround, though i found out about it through debian kern dev channels
23:29<enouf>woodrad: thank you
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23:37<Arv3n>majhool: hi
23:37<Arv3n>ok.. i got a message in dmesg when doing modprobe sr_mod
23:37<Arv3n>it says something like "srmod - sd driver needs updating, pls. use bus_type method"
23:38<Arv3n>but it does show up to the right of cdrom in lsmod. now we're getting somewhere. the most progress ive made in a month.
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23:42<majhool>ok
23:42<majhool>no /dev/cdrom, right?
23:42<Arv3n>nope.
23:42<majhool>does /dev/scsi etc show any device
23:42<Arv3n>i also didn't find that device.
23:42<Arv3n>no
23:42<majhool>ok
23:42<majhool>ok
23:43<majhool>sr_mod is a necessity
23:43<Arv3n>yes.
23:44<majhool>ok
23:45<majhool>ls /dev/sd* on the installation machine
23:45<Arv3n>yes.
23:45<Arv3n>sda, sda1, sda5, etc..
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23:45<majhool>sdb*?
23:45<Arv3n>also sdc, sdb, sdd, and sde methinks.
23:45<Arv3n>no, i think just sdb.
23:45<Arv3n>and then when i try and mount it it says no media detected.
23:46<majhool>wait, not "not block device"?
23:46<Arv3n>what?
23:46<Arv3n>i dont think so. o_o
23:46<Arv3n>want me to try it again?
23:46<Arv3n>i think i actually ejected the disc then reinserted it when i did that.
23:46<majhool>well, if it says "no media detected" then it sees the cdrom
23:46<majhool>as a cdrom drive
23:46<Arv3n>pretty sure thats what it says.
23:47<majhool>well, ln -s /dev/sdwhatever to /dev/cdrom
23:47<majhool>give that a shot, come back
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23:47<Arv3n>ok, sec..
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23:50<mcclaust>I welcome I am searching repozitories dvd
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23:52<mcclaust>does somebody know where it is possible to find?
23:53<xemacs4321>mcclaust, gparted find it on distrowatch.com
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23:53<mcclaust>he already thanks I am looking
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23:56<mcclaust>xemacs4321: unfortunately nothing has ;(
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23:57<mcclaust>nothing has on torrent :(
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