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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-05-04

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00:02<jmarsden>ircleuser: The defaults are reasonable. Do not enable things in the sshd config file that you do not understand, and you will be fine.
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00:12<kingsley>Is there an application for creating flash content? if so, what's it called?
00:12<kingsley>s/if/If/
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00:13<ircleuser>does anyone know how to use SSH for a mac?
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00:15<jmarsden>ircleuser: Same as for any other Unix-like OS... open a terminal window and use the ssh command ...
00:16<jmarsden>kingsley: swftools
00:16<sney>OSX is unix-like?!? I thought it was supposed to be revolutionary and intuitive!
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00:16<jmarsden>sney: It depends whether you are in marketing or not, I suppose :)
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00:52<armam>hi to all, i am getting error while compiling c program for arm as arm-elf/bin/ld: crti.o: No such file: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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01:16<n3cro>i have a question, how will i see all users created in local server
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01:18<jm_>getent passwd
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01:21<n3cro>jm: getent passwd is the command in debian?
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01:23<jm_>n3cro: yes
01:24<n3cro>thanks
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01:25<jm_>no worries
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01:27<mdgrech>password
01:27<mdgrech>password
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01:30<mdgrech>hey guys?
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02:10<Wolfcastle>hello
02:10<Wolfcastle>I'm having problems installing debian on my dell inspiron 1545
02:10<adb>!dell
02:10<dpkg>[dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, the worst company you could ever do business with, crap, http://www.domsch.com/linux/, http://linux.dell.com/
02:10<Wolfcastle>the error occurs when entering the partition phase
02:11<Wolfcastle>i see
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02:12<jm_>what error?
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02:14<Wolfcastle>the installer gets stuck
02:14<Wolfcastle>wait let me reproduce it
02:15<jm_>check other tty-s for possible error messages
02:15<enouf>well that 1st url in <dell> is 404
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02:16<Wolfcastle>yeah saw that
02:17<Wolfcastle>hmm well right now I'm doing a netinstall of ubuntu intrepid
02:17<Wolfcastle>if that doesn't work I'll try debian again
02:17<enouf>what's the hardware anyway? perc?
02:18<sney>no perc on a laptop
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02:18<sney>unless they suddenly made them very small
02:18<enouf>who said laptop?
02:18<jm_>heh
02:19<sney>inspiron has traditionally been dell's laptop model line
02:19<Wolfcastle>don't know about the motherboard
02:19<enouf>htf would i know what dell does traditionally?
02:19<Wolfcastle>but it's an intel core 2 duo
02:20<sney>most IT pros can't avoid it no matter how much we'd prefer to avoid the brand
02:20<Wolfcastle>ig ddr2 800 MHz
02:20<Wolfcastle>sorry 1 GB
02:20<enouf>craptops can have core2duos
02:20<sney>yes but it sacrifices battery power and the ability to put them on your lap
02:20<Wolfcastle>intel gma X4500
02:20<enouf>...
02:21<enouf>so much for straight answers :-P
02:21<sney>it's just a regular laptop, probably a design from one of dell's less reputable ODM partners
02:21<sney>some hinky bios thing makes the debian installer hang up is my guess, maybe disable acpi
02:22<Wolfcastle>hmm ok disable acpi, will try that
02:22<enouf>oh .. heh, you're the one with the ODM as designers/suppliers of/to OEMs
02:22<Wolfcastle>i'm guessing acpi=off right?
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02:22<Wolfcastle>so dell is crap huh, wish you could of told me sooner :-p
02:23<Wolfcastle>what brand do you recommend?
02:23<sney>I thought even gamers knew that dell was crap
02:23<enouf>yeah - but that's a hack .. but go ahead ... but hanging at partitioning to me == some sort of disk/controller issues
02:23<sney>hacks are fine for making the installer play nice, you can fix it for real with the actual system
02:24<enouf>fixing acpi=off issues isn't for the faint of heart
02:24<jm_>Wolfcastle: press f1 and other keys at boot prompt to learn about common boot options
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02:24<Wolfcastle>there is this weird fat16 partition of about 50 MB
02:24<enouf>let me see you get any-standard-craptop-amenity working properly without it - you might even lose one of those 2 cores
02:24<Wolfcastle>don't know what it contains
02:24<sney>that is probably your recovery partition
02:25<sney>though I'm surprised it's that small
02:25<enouf>or diagnostic fat16 onw
02:25<sney>oh yeah diags might be it
02:25<Wolfcastle>yeah diagnostics might be...I already erased the recovery partition
02:25<Wolfcastle>for swap
02:27<Wolfcastle>so intel core 2 duo is a battery consumer? no wonder my 9-cell battery doesn't last that long
02:27<sney>yeah man it's a pretty powerful cpu
02:27<jm_>Wolfcastle: well they all are, they are pretty good at power efficiency these days
02:28<jm_>(intel cpu-s that is)
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02:28<enouf>cpufreqd + laptop-mode + config_no_hz might help that
02:28<jm_>is cpufreqd so much better than powersave or ondemand governor?
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02:28<Wolfcastle>enouf: there is an applet in gnome for dynamic frequencies it made me choose one core
02:29<eriolsama>hi
02:29<jm_>or rather conservative, not powersave
02:29<enouf>jm_: i'd consider them the same category ... but what do i know
02:31<jm_>can core 2 duo really change frequency for individual core? i thought it can't
02:31<sney>that sounds unlikely
02:32<Wolfcastle>jm_: that's what the applet showed..not sure if that's what happens under the hood
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02:33<jm_>looking in /sys the info is a bit weird, related_cpus just mentions the same cpu the info is for
02:35<enouf>i recall reading months ago about features being implemented into the kernel that would allow scaling each core individually - never followed up on it though
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02:49<enouf>anyways, besides the kernel /Documentation/cpu*/ dirs and their files ; lesswatts.org should have info ... also checkout powertop? is an intel tool?
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02:58<mohan>hi all
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02:58<mohan>i need virtual server configuration for multiple domains
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03:01*xellos słucha Afromental & Andy "Stewlocks" Ninvalle - Hit The Dance Floor [00:18 / 03:19] - 224Kbps
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03:02<xellos>MOCP playing: Afromental & Andy "Stewlocks" Ninvalle - Hit The Dance Floor - Kochaj I Tancz - 02:06/03:19
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03:04*xellos słucha Grzegorz Sieradzki - El Tango Del Dosiente - Tango Section [00:57 / 02:13] - 224Kbps
03:04*xellos słucha Rahim/Straho Instrumentals - Pod Paznokciem (feat. Lilu) [00:07 / 03:04] - 160Kbps
03:05<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
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03:10*xellos słucha Rahim/Straho Instrumentals - SinuSoida (feat. Śliwka Tuitam) [02:09 / 02:54] - 192Kbps
03:11<sney>why doesn't debian seem to have xcfe4-power-manager
03:12<bahatpc>I deleted aoetool's conffile /etc/default/aoetools. Now, when I purge and reinstall aoetools, this file does not get created anymore. Any ideas how I could recreate that conffile?
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03:13<enouf>!+tell bahatpc -about confmiss
03:13<dpkg>told bahatpc about confmiss.
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03:14<bahatpc>enouf: excellent, thanks! All I found was dpkg -i --force-*, but I needed an apt frontend for cfengine
03:14*xellos słucha Eldo - Szyk (Feat. Pjus) [00:24 / 03:24] - 192Kbps
03:15<jm_>bahatpc: purged as in dpkg -P or aptitude purge?
03:16<dondelelcaro>xellos: please turn that off
03:16<bahatpc>jm_ first, an accidental delete by a cfengine rule, then a purge
03:16<jm_>bahatpc: hmm in that case reinstalling it should also install config files
03:17<bahatpc>jm_: thats what I thought too (hence the purge before reinstalling), but enouf's tell explaned/resolved the issue
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03:19<jm_>bahatpc: that sounds like it wasn't purged
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03:21<bahatpc>jm_: I tried the same thing for two other packages which install files in /etc/default. As soon as the file is changed or deleted, that last state is preserved
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03:22<bahatpc>I just thought that --purge would reset that state, but it didn't (and shouldn't what I gathered so far)
03:23<jm_>bahatpc: it does, purge deletes config files
03:25<bahatpc>jm_: yes, but if you deleted them manually beforehand, it judges that act as intentional (you don't want that file at all) and remembers that when reinstalling
03:25<jm_>bahatpc: what is "it"?
03:26<jm_>bahatpc: that's only true (for dpkg) until you purge the package, after that the information is lost
03:26<majhool>i don't think dpkg/apt remembers stuff like that
03:26<jm_>indeed
03:27<majhool>that's the point of --purge, right?
03:27<jm_>correct
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03:27<majhool>the closest to unexpected behavior is if something not explicitly in the package is found in one of the directories that belongs to the package
03:28<majhool>in which case neither the unspecified file nor the directory are removed
03:28<majhool>what's going on with bahatpc ?
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03:28<bahatpc>here, try this for yourself:
03:28<bahatpc>http://rafb.net/p/pvEOJL79.html
03:28<majhool>ahhh
03:28<jm_>that's not purge
03:28<majhool>i actually suffered from this problem myself
03:28<majhool>aptitude purge == apt-get remove --purge
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03:29<majhool>aptitude remove --purge == aptitude remove
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03:30<majhool>so what's happening is that you tell aptitude to remove aoetools, but not that package's config files
03:30<majhool>so when you delete those config files' directory you surprise aptitude
03:30<bahatpc>jm_, majhool: oh, I think I get the issue...
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03:31<majhool>bahatpc: yeah, aptitude and apt-get have just enough of a difference between their syntaxes to screw you over if you just try to pass between the two
03:32<majhool>:(
03:32<Wolfcastle>why isn't everyone using just aptitude?
03:32<Wolfcastle>what advantage does apt-get really have?
03:32<majhool>Wolfcastle: apt-get/cache is faster on my laptop, but that doesn't prove anything
03:33<jm_>Wolfcastle: it has the advantage it was first :)
03:33<majhool>Wolfcastle: i've been using debian for about 10 years, so i think i like most people who default to apt-get and its syntax are just used to it
03:33<majhool>Wolfcastle: i've been using debian for about 10 years, so i think i like most people who default to apt-get and its syntax are just used to it
03:33<majhool>lord
03:33<bahatpc>Wolfcastle: I've been using apt-get on etch, and heard the preferred one in lenny is aptitude. So I switched, all confusion and screwups included
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03:34<majhool>hopefully my incompetence with the keyboard doesn't give any further impressions :(
03:34<Wolfcastle>hmm ok maybe it's faster
03:35<Wolfcastle>nice debian installation is working on my notebook
03:35<Wolfcastle>i disables acpi
03:35<Wolfcastle>though
03:35<majhool>huh
03:36<majhool>so you don't want to change the cpu frequency governor/engage laptop mode/etc when you unplug the ac adapter?
03:36<majhool>why disable acpi?
03:36<Wolfcastle>majhool: It was recommended by someone since installation didn't work
03:36<Wolfcastle>majhool: but I do want to enable it later
03:36<Wolfcastle>majhool: it's possible right?
03:36<majhool>Wolfcastle: i see. what model of laptop do you run?
03:36<majhool>Wolfcastle: absolutely
03:36<Wolfcastle>majhool: dell inspiron
03:37<Wolfcastle>i know i know....crap right?
03:37<jm_>Wolfcastle:you could try a newer kernel
03:37<majhool>Wolfcastle: do you know what in particular makes it infeasible to run acpi?
03:37<Wolfcastle>majhool: not really, I also skipped configuring the network...maybe that was the problem
03:38<majhool>Wolfcastle: well, if it works for you i suppose it's not a problem. i'm guessing you mean wireless network, unless you're not using the laptop right now
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03:39<majhool>Wolfcastle: you should investigate jm_'s advice and investigate kernel backports
03:39<Wolfcastle>majhool: no, i mean wired network, it's connected to my computer
03:39<Wolfcastle>hmm yes might just do that...but it's risky to use another kernel is it not?
03:39<jm_>naah, it will keep your current kernel installed so you can always boot with it
03:40<majhool>yeah debian Does The Right Thing by default
03:40<majhool>it's not fedora
03:40<Wolfcastle>;-)
03:40<majhool>i actually just put 2.6.29 on my laptop running squeeze tonight
03:41<Wolfcastle>majhool: do you have to compile the kernel? or do you use one from sid?
03:41<bahatpc>thanks again for the help!
03:41<majhool>it's pretty painless, but read up on the pertinent docs before doing installing as drivers result in device configuration differences
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03:42<majhool>Wolfcastle: it depends. you should first try one from sid using a backport mirror and figure out if it's going to work for you
03:42<majhool>Wolfcastle: the idea being that compiling the kernel yourself should be a last resort
03:42<Wolfcastle>majhool: I should hope so
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03:43<Wolfcastle>majhool: any link explaining the process? would be appreciated
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03:45<jm_>Wolfcastle: the easiest would be to get 2.6.29 source package from sid and build it yourself
03:45<jm_>(as far as building goes that is)
03:46<majhool>jm_: can he use undebian.org kernel backport repositories?
03:47<jm_>majhool: probably a better choice
03:49<majhool>Wolfcastle: you can try adding the following line to sources.list, aptitude updating & upgrading
03:49<majhool>deb http://backports.undebian.org/repositories/backports-kernel/ ./
03:49<Wolfcastle>wow seems easy, thanx
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03:49<Wolfcastle>I'll try that as soon as my install is ready
03:50<majhool>yeah, but don't blame me if everything breaks. or undebian.org, for that matter
03:50<majhool>be sure to read up on .29 to find out what, if anything, has changed
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03:59<SteveHH>moin @ all
03:59<Guest629>ciao
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04:11<bicker>i have a net server with debian and a pc with windows xp; on windows xp i make a vpn server, and i want to forward the port form debian to xp ; i opened the port 1723 and i forwarded it to xp's ip; if i am using nmap on debian the port 1723 is oppened but i can't connect to vpn server ; i make the same thing using a linksys router not the debian server i forwarded the port 1723 to xp and i activate the pptp protocol and in tihs way
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04:13<jm_>bicker: your message was too long (and in tihs way)
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04:15<majhool>hah
04:15<bicker>protocol and in tihs way it works; can somebody tell me what sould i do on my debian to resolve my problem ?
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04:16<jm_>how did you forward it?
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04:18<bicker>can i paste the line from my firewall ?
04:18<majhool>if it's one line, yes
04:18<majhool>otherwise pastebin.com
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04:22<bicker>http://pastebin.com/d54bc9ba2
04:23<majhool>did you download this from somewhere?
04:23<Wolfcastle>how do I configure a wired connection with networkmanager?
04:24<Wolfcastle>I can't find that option
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04:25<jm_>bicker: check which iptables counter increases when you try to access given port
04:25<majhool>bicker: it looks like port 1723 is being opened on the INPUT chain only
04:26<majhool>bicker: whereas if you want it forwarded, it should probably be in the FORWARD chain
04:26<majhool>i would guess
04:26<jm_>hmm but he doesn't set default policy ffor FORWARD chain
04:27<majhool>a good point, but...
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04:27<bicker>if it is necesary to modify something on that firewall please tell me what to do, i'll try anything to work
04:28<majhool>maybe it should be in the PREROUTING table?
04:28<majhool>bicker: what is 192.168.2.2? the xp machine?
04:29<majhool>also he flushes the FORWARD channel after setting the policy to accept!
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04:29<Wolfcastle>majhool: it seems the backport you gave me only has the source of 2.6.29...
04:29<jm_>bicker: juct check the counters first
04:29<majhool>yeah
04:29<bicker>yes the 192.168.2.2 is the xp machine
04:29<Wolfcastle>majhool: any other option of getting a compiled 2.6.29?
04:30<majhool>what's your architecture?
04:30<bicker>x86
04:31<jm_>majhool: that's in "stop" part of the script
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04:32<penpen>Wolfcastle: i used debian kernel snapshot repository (experimental) for 2.6.29
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04:32<majhool>Wolfcastle: what's your arch?
04:33<majhool>bicker: you should follow jm_'s advice about watching the counters
04:33<Wolfcastle>majhool: amd64
04:34<Wolfcastle>penpen: how did you install it if I may ask?
04:34<penpen>Wolfcastle: one moment
04:34<Wolfcastle>ok
04:35<mjt>does uswsusp work on amd64?
04:35<penpen>Wolfcastle: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel#snapshots i'm using the one targeted for sid
04:35<penpen>Wolfcastle: i needed a kernel newer than .27 for my wireless card, so i decided to go that route instead of compiling my own
04:36<jm_>mjt: hmm it's packaged for it, I suppose it should
04:36<mjt>ok
04:37<penpen>Wolfcastle: the rest of my sources.list points to lenny though
04:37<bicker>thanx all, the problem whas this line : iptables -A FORWARD -p 47 -j ACCEPT ; it miss from my forewall and the GRE protocol was not forwarded
04:38<bicker>have a nice day, bye
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04:39<Wolfcastle>penpen: thanx...trying to avoid compiling too
04:40<penpen>Wolfcastle: np
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04:54<Wolfcastle>debian doesn't recognize my video card...
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04:55<Wolfcastle>it's an intel gma x4500hd
04:55<Wolfcastle>is there a package for it?
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04:57<jm_>Wolfcastle: what does lspci say?
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04:59<Wolfcastle>it seems to be recognizing an intel series 4 chipset
05:00<Wolfcastle>but I can't even change resolution
05:00<Wolfcastle>maybe in xorg.conf...
05:00<jm_>yes please paste exactly what it says for your gfx card (lspci -nn)
05:00<Wolfcastle>jm_: ok
05:00<jm_>or just paste the PCI ID (1234:5678 thing)
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05:02<Wolfcastle>http://pastebin.com/f4ea2f9c7
05:02<zhangjiancheng>这东东还是第一次用啊
05:02<Wolfcastle>seems about right?
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05:02<zhangjiancheng>不知道怎么样
05:03<zhangjiancheng>hello,everyone!
05:03<jm_>!cn
05:03<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
05:03<zhangjiancheng>where are you from?
05:03<jm_>hmm I am not any wiser, I really hate the million different model numbers manufacturers use
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05:03<jm_>Wolfcastle: you probably need newer intel driver
05:04<Wolfcastle>jm_, hmmm ok can I get that from sid too?
05:04<jm_>Wolfcastle: I think my bro has 4500 something on his motherboard too and the driver (and kernel) in Lenny doesn't support it - he built it himself from source package in sid
05:05<jm_>Wolfcastle: the one in sid is much newer, but you won't be able to install it just like that
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05:08<Wolfcastle>jm_, ok thanx for the info
05:08<Wolfcastle>guess I'll have to change to ubuntu :-(
05:08<zhangjiancheng>i am creaze
05:08<jm_>yeah ubuntu has newer version
05:09<zhangjiancheng>my english is not good
05:09<zhangjiancheng>ubuntu9。04
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05:09<jm_>zhangjiancheng: this is not a chit-chat channel, this is about debian
05:09<zhangjiancheng>yse,i know
05:10<zhangjiancheng>first i think it is a chinese forum
05:10<zhangjiancheng>i am very sorry
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05:10<jm_>it's ok, #debian-zh can be used for that
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05:11<Wolfcastle>what if I download the packages of sid from packages.debian.org? or are there too many deps?
05:12<jm_>Wolfcastle: they will depend on newer X version, which will depend on newer libc6 etc.
05:12<zhangjiancheng>which version do you use?
05:12<Wolfcastle>jm_, ok i see
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05:12<jm_>Wolfcastle: so your only option in that casw is to simply ugprade it all to sid
05:12<Wolfcastle>jm_, hehe right
05:13<zhangjiancheng>i use ubuntu before,now i use debian,i find that debian is faster than ubuntu
05:13<jm_>hmm the difference in speed shouldn't really be so noticable
05:14<zhangjiancheng>but i love ubuntu too
05:16<shadouts>I notice a difference in speed from ubuntu and debian
05:16<shadouts>I have an old laptop. and debian uses like 25 less megs of ram out of the box
05:17<jm_>right, no doubt it's like that if it's hitting swap
05:17<shadouts>well I've set up with fluxbox and uninstalled alot of things I dont use so now I'm only runnin at 55megs
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05:20<zhangjiancheng>do someone can use python programming?
05:20<zhangjiancheng>?
05:21<jm_>!python
05:21<dpkg>[python] a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/, or #python
05:24<zhangjiancheng>I have learned C before
05:24<zhangjiancheng>and C++
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05:39<Razique>hi all :)
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05:39<Razique>Do you know if I can recover an overiden archive on my Debian box ?
05:39<Razique>a tar.gz file actually
05:40<pasoev>Hello! I have question about booting Debian with grub
05:40<Razique>pasoev : just ask maybe I can help
05:41<pasoev>I installed Debian by USB stick (from internet)
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05:41<pasoev>Installation finished succesful, but menu is not visible in grub, only promt
05:42<pasoev>i can not load kernel
05:42<jm_>pasoev: that's grub 2, right?
05:42<pasoev>yes
05:42<jm_>there was a bug in some older v ersion, reinstall a newer one
05:43<pasoev>but, with this grub i booted windows now
05:43<pasoev>when i try to boot kernel, it says : bad file or directory type
05:44<pasoev>May linux kernel is not properly installed?
05:44<jm_>did you try issuing the commands manually?
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05:46<pasoev>i tryed this command:
05:47<pasoev>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sda5 ro
05:47<jm_>did you set root before this?
05:48<pasoev>yes)
05:48<pasoev>root (hd0,5)
05:49<jm_>it's set root=(hdX,Y) in grub 2
05:49<jm_>to be precise: "set root=(hdX,y)" without ""
05:50<pasoev>this command is needed first? before loading kernel
05:50<jm_>yup
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05:51<pasoev>again error 2
05:51<pasoev>bad file or directory type
05:52<enouf>"insmod modules" ? or something?
05:52<pasoev>if this is because of Kernel, how can I replace it?
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05:56<pasoev>Can I replace kernel without reinsstalling debian?
05:56<dr|z3d>pasoev: Sure.
05:57<pasoev>How?
05:57<dr|z3d>pasoev: Make sure you have a couple of older kernels installed so you can revert to them if necessary.
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05:58<pasoev>but,before this I want to make sure that kernel is corrupted
05:59<jm_>yeah make sure linux module is loaded in grub2
05:59<pasoev>in older debian, i saw, there was a menu in grub, why is not in new? or this is because of my installation?
05:59<pasoev>how can I know if linux module is loaded?
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06:00<jm_>pasoev: there is a menu usually, obviously something goes wrong for you, and this looks exactly like the bug I mentioned
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06:01<pasoev>I must reinstall debia, or only grub?
06:01<pasoev>or only kernel?
06:02<jm_>just grub, but make sure you have fixed version installed first and then reinstall it using grub-install
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06:04<pasoev>but i can`t start linux console
06:04<jm_>yeah you'll need to use a rescue method, you can use your debian installation on usb for it
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06:06<pasoev>Oh my GOd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06:06<pasoev>hehe
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06:07<pasoev>seems, another grub installed on USB during installation
06:07<pasoev>when I booted system with usb, there appeared grub with menu
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06:08<jm_>not the usual installation boot prompt?
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06:10<pasoev>1there is a grub with usual promt
06:11<pasoev>but i didn`t know how to load linux modules
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06:11<enouf>disk order changed likely due to your BIOS
06:11<jm_>no I mean on your USB drive - the command to load grub modules is insmod, just like in linux
06:13<enouf>does tab completion work? "insmod [tab][tab]" ? though note; you should use 'modprobe {-r}' when booted into any 2.6 linux kernel, not insmod/rmmod pasoev
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06:14<frunsk>is the evolution-mapi package ready? if not how do i connect with exchange server 2007?
06:14<jm_>i use imap to access mails on exchange
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06:15<pasoev>yes,
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06:21<frunsk>jm_, me too but it doesn't work with public folders
06:21<pasoev>it`s OK now, I bootes with grub in USB. last question I have : how i can install grub in sda5 ?
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06:23<jm_>frunsk: it works for me
06:23<frunsk>jm_, u use your domainlogon credentials for it?
06:23<jm_>pasoev: are you sure you don't want to install it in MBR?
06:24<jm_>frunsk: no, I specify password in the URL
06:24<pasoev>I do not know how to install in Motherboard
06:24<frunsk>jm_, what about the username?
06:24<frunsk>jm_, are u talking about OWA?
06:25<pasoev>what is initramfs?
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06:25<frunsk>jm_, would u mind pasting the url (with your credentials obfuscated of course)
06:25<jm_>frunsk: imaps://user:pass@host/foo
06:26<frunsk>what does foo stand for?
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06:26<jm_>pasoev: it's initial ram disk image
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06:26<enouf>!initramfs
06:26<dpkg>rumour has it, initramfs is the new initrd. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>
06:27<dr|z3d>pasoev: initramfs is the initial loader for linux, which loads to ram.
06:27<enouf>pasoev: it's basically a fake rootfs loaded into ram
06:28<jm_>/foo is empty for inbox, or /Sent%20Items or ...
06:28<frunsk>jm_, tnz
06:28<pasoev>I am booting debian now, and it says : can`t accses initramfs or smth like this,
06:28<frunsk>tnx
06:28<pasoev>and there is promt
06:28<pasoev>how can i continue booting?
06:28<jm_>pasoev: boot with rescue method of d-i and fix it
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06:30<enouf>pasoev: here; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.29/Documentation/initrd.txt and see /Documentation/early-userspace/README and /Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt
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06:31<pasoev>Idk how to fix it :(
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06:32<jm_>!fixmbr
06:32<dpkg>To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <dual boot guide> and <rescue mode>.
06:32<enouf>pasoev: do you have 4 lines per stanza in your menu.lst? root, kernel, initrd, default/chainloader?
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06:33<pasoev>I`ll see now
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06:34<frunsk>jm_, in the evolution configuration windows i don't have a url box... what username should i put in the username box?
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06:36<jm_>frunsk: I am sorry but I have never used evolution, can't really help you there - I use my domain username if that helps
06:37<frunsk>jm_, are u allowed to say the name of client u are using?
06:37<jm_>frunsk: ahh sure, I normally use fetchmail to download mail from it, or mutt if I have to browse it manually
06:38<pasoev>I have ubuntu live cd, can i install grub in motherboard with it?and how?
06:38<jm_>pasoev: yes
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06:38<maxb>No
06:38<maxb>You don't install bootloaders on motherboards! :-)
06:39<pasoev>MBR
06:39<jm_>:P
06:39<frunsk>jm_, so where do u put the name of the public folder then?
06:39<pasoev>:)))))
06:39<pasoev>:-D
06:39<jm_>frunsk: imaps://user:pass@host/Sent%20Items to check sent mail for example
06:40<jm_>frunsk: let me try it in c-m
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06:40<frunsk>jm_, hey but that's not a public folder... it's just your sent mail folder
06:40<frunsk>your personal sent mail folder
06:41<jm_>frunsk: it's the same thing - Public%20Folders for that
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06:44<pasoev>I have 3 lines in menu.lst root, kernel. initrd
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06:46<pasoev>how to set device after grub-install
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06:49<jm_>set what device?
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06:51<pasoev>i do not know how to specify device in grub-istall command
06:51<pasoev>grub-install device_name
06:51<pasoev>I need to install in sda5
06:52<jm_>'grub-install /dev/sda' for MBR
06:52<llutz>"grub-install /dev/sda5"
06:52<jm_>installing it in sda5 won't help you
06:52<pasoev>why?
06:53<jm_>because your current installation is bad
06:53<jm_>and I am not sure about grub 2, but for grub 1 you can't chainload grub from grub
06:53<pasoev>I need to reinstall debian?
06:53<jm_>just grub
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06:53<llutz>jm_: sure you can
06:53<jm_>llutz: try it ...
06:53<llutz>i do it daily
06:54<pasoev>I have boot flag on sda5 partition
06:54<jm_>llutz: it fails to work for me on 3 different computers
06:54<llutz>jm_: works[tm] here on desktop(sid+lenny) + notebook (suse+debian)
06:54<jm_>llutz: grub or grub2?
06:54<llutz>grub
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06:55<jm_>i shall try it at home some day
06:55<pasoev>i see message: couldn`t fin device for /boot: not found or not a block device
06:55<pasoev>why?
06:55<jm_>did you chroot in your existing installation? is /boot on a separate partition?
06:56<pasoev>no,
06:57<jm_>well how do you plan on installing grub then?
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06:58<pasoev>i do not know
06:59<jm_>did you read what dpkg said about fixmbr?
06:59<pasoev>i read, but didn`t understand, :(
06:59<jm_>then ask specific questions
07:00<mjt>that mbr fixing procedure is quite complicated really, even if dpkg "said" it's "simple"
07:00<mjt>esp. this part: mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ;)
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07:02<pasoev>I have not only bootloader problem,
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07:02<frunsk>jm_, is there a way to ls in the server's directories to check which ones are accessible?
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07:04<rakul>hi all. can anyone help with samba? i got a strange issue - logon script doesn't run on winXP/2003, but works fine in 2008.
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07:05<jm_>frunsk: mutt can show them with tab completion, I tried to access it in c-m to see if it shows them, but it core dumped in perl_filter plugin after it read 60% of my inbox, will try again with it disabled
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07:05<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:07<pasoev>OK, thanks all, I will reinstall debian itself, I think this is better way
07:07<locklace>does grub2 obviate initrd
07:08<jm_>locklace: no
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07:17<jm_>frunsk: tried it in c-m and it shows those folders just fine
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08:07<locklace>is there some canonical debian way to turn /bin/sh into something other than bash?
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08:09<jm_>locklace: dpkg diversion
08:10<locklace>jm_: interesting, having a look.
08:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 398] by debhelper
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08:11<jm_>locklace: very often a new shell package will ask you if you want to make it act as /bin/sh
08:11<jm_>(when installed)
08:12*locklace will try it with dash
08:13<tofix>hi all, i'm totaly noob and i'm just lost tryng to catch the process that idle my system up to 9.6 for the last 5 sec and 8 for the last 15 min ... top don't tell me nothing more cause no process eat CPU or mem .... how can i obtain more information , vmstat doesn't seems to be designate to provide information about process ?
08:13<jm_>tofix: ps auxw|grep ' D '
08:14<locklace>jm_: well, dash install didn't ask. so dpkg-divert is the right way to go?
08:14<tofix>jm_, what's the state D ?
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08:14<jm_>tofix: actually make that just ' D'
08:15<tofix>i did it
08:15<tofix>and it seems to be notes server
08:15<jm_>locklace: hmm dash asks depending on debconf setting IIRC
08:15<jm_>tofix: right, man ps to read what D means
08:15<jm_>under PROCESS STATE CODES
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08:16<tofix>jm_, okay , thank you
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08:16<locklace>jm_: hm, is there some way to do it with dpkg-reconfigure then?
08:18<jm_>locklace: let me install it and test
08:19<jm_>locklace: do debconf-show dash
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08:20<tofix>jm_, thank for the help ... i read about
08:20<locklace>jm_: dash/sh: false
08:20<jm_>locklace: right, reconfigure it and it will add diversion
08:20<jm_>tofix: no worries
08:22<locklace>jm_: got it - thanks!
08:22<jm_>locklace: enjoy
08:23<locklace>hehe, dash is 1/8 the size of bash
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08:27<tofix>jm_ : what makes you think that an uninterruptible sleeping process is a ressource eater ?
08:27<frunsk>jm_, what's c-m?
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08:29<jm_>tofix: that's how load average is calculated, process running on CPU-s and those waiting for I/O
08:29<jm_>frunsk: claws-mail
08:30<frunsk>jm_, ok
08:30<jm_>processes even
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08:32<tofix>jm_ : ah okay , thank you
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08:34<mauro>hello
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08:34<mauro>raga italiani
08:34<mauro>ci sono
08:35<ml|>!it
08:35<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:40<frunsk>jm_, how do i browse exchange directories with mutt?
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08:40<And1>Hey folks, how can I play midi-files on debian lenny?
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08:40<InkBottle>Hi, about #512607, any idea on how to bypass it? the module gtk, is not called gtk any longer? I've got two computers, one one which it works fine and an other on which it doesn't
08:41<jm_>And1: you can use mikmod if your audio card can't do MIDI
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08:42<jm_>InkBottle: first post explains how to do a workaround
08:42<jm_>frunsk: use tab completion and it will list them
08:42<And1>jm_: Is there a way I can play midi-files with mplayer?
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08:43<jm_>And1: I don't think it supports it
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08:44<InkBottle>jm_: you mean here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=512607? (sorry, I don't see it)
08:44<frunsk>jm_, i typed "mutt -f imap://user:passwd@host/" +TAB and nothing happens
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08:45<jm_>InkBottle: yup, edit the script and change python-2.4 to python
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08:47<jm_>frunsk: in mutt, press c to change folder, type in the start of URL and press tab tab, it should show folders
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08:48<InkBottle>jm_: right, thanks a lot :)
08:48<toliyr>Hello :) I came across http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening . Are all the packages of debian built with PIE and SSP ? I would like to know if it is possible to migrate my hardened gentoo boxes(grsec, pie, ssp) to debian
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08:49<ml|>and
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08:49<ml|>oops
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08:49<toliyr>If i am not wrong all packages are built with ssp
08:49<frunsk>jm_, it shows no mailboxes but rather lists my directory contents
08:49<frunsk>jm_, `pwd`'s contents
08:49<jm_>frunsk: what was your URL like?
08:50<frunsk>jm_, imap://user:passwd@host
08:51<jm_>frunsk: are you sure your exchange allows imap access?
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08:52<jm_>frunsk: does it show your inbox if you use above url, i.e. <c>imap://user:pass@host<enter>
08:52<frunsk>jm_, "mutt -f imap://user:passwd@host" actually works
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08:53<frunsk>because it loads my INBOX
08:54<jm_>frunsk: right, so after you do that, try <c>imap://host/<tab><tab>
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08:58<stuckey>I use 64-bit but I wanted to play a game that requires 32-bit libraries; would it cause problems to install 32-bit libraries?
08:58<jm_>stuckey: yes
08:59<stuckey>The error I get when I try to launch the game is: ./doom.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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09:00<stuckey>jm_: really?
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09:02<stuckey>Is there another way I could do this then?
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09:03<jm_>probably best to install 32bit in chroot
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09:05<bremner>schroot is designed to make this less painful
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09:06<frunsk>jm_, mutt only lists my private folders, but not public ones
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09:07<jm_>frunsk: not even Public Folders entry?
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09:08<frunsk>jm_, nope
09:08<pawel>how to use awststs when I have server log in text file?
09:08<stuckey>bremner: how do I do this?
09:08<pawel>*awstats
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09:10<jm_>frunsk: hmm then I am clueless
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09:14<ml|>does startx use -nolisten tcp by default?
09:15<bremner>stuckey: install schroot then look at the schroot examples/documentation
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09:16<jm_>ml|: it's set by default in /etc/X11/xini/xserverrc
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09:16<jm_>xinit
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09:17<jm_>stuckey: you can also find howtos for installing 32bit chroot in Debian
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09:17<ml|>jm_: so to enable tcp would edit that file?
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09:19<jm_>ml|: yup
09:20<ml|>:q
09:20<ml|>heh
09:20<ml|>jm_: thanks for the info
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09:21<jm_>ml|: np
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09:22<ml|>stuckey: just curious did blanking stop?
09:23<stuckey>bremner: okay thanks
09:23<stuckey>ml|: yes... xset -dpms works.
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09:24<ml|>stuckey: thought you edited xorg.conf
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09:29<stuckey>ml_: I didn't edit it for the blanking... is that possible?
09:30<ml_>stuckey: yes
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09:32<ml_>stuckey: add this and resart X http://paste.debian.net/35194/
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09:34<ml_>stuckey: then look at this to manually blank .... http://paste.debian.net/35195/
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09:36<ml_>stuckey: make it executable and place it in /usr/local/bin/ and bind a key to it if ya like
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09:49<stuckey>ml|: you can bind commands to keys???
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09:51<nowhereman>stuckey: my knowledge of bare X is limited but each WM has its way to bind keys to action (not only commands)
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10:00<ml|>stuckey: yes with your de or wm and with xbindkeys
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10:02<ml|>stuckey: if you do the above your screen will never blank, only if you use that file in term or bind it to a key
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10:16<stuckey>]Thanks
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10:17<ml|>stuckey: got it working?
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10:18<davef88>hello
10:18<ml|>hello
10:20<davef88>sorry new here
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10:20<ml|>!ask
10:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
10:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 404] by debhelper
10:21<stuckey>ml|: Yeah
10:21<stuckey>But what I wanted to do was set up a schroot to run a 32bit game...
10:21<ml|>cool :)
10:21<stuckey>I read the README in /usr/share/doc/schroot/ but it didn't really tell me that much
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10:21<ml|>oh, can't help you with that sry
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10:33<wretched_dutchman>hello, I have the following problem: I just bought an PCI-SATA-controller for my sparc ultra 5 computer, but it isn't recognised in lspci. Is it that Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Simba Advanced PCI Bridge [108e:5000] (rev 11) doesn't support PCI 2.2 or can it be something else (I can't find any documentation on this pci-controller)
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10:37<locklace>wretched_dutchman: you might have to dig through kernel docs / ask on kernel list for that one
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10:38<wretched_dutchman>@locklace: any quick reference to a kernel IRC or something? (preferably sparc)
10:38<djc>anyone have a pointer to a simple iptables tutorial/reference
10:39<SkyLord>hi guys,
10:39<locklace>wretched_dutchman: don't think there is one; mailing lists are the primary mode of communication for kernel dev
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10:39<wretched_dutchman>ok, thanks, I'll look into it
10:39<SkyLord>can any of u help out with a simple answer for clarity re networking
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10:40<djc>!tell SkyLord about ask
10:40<SkyLord>huh?
10:41<djc>SkyLord, just ask your question
10:41<SkyLord>ok
10:41<djc>if anyone can answer, they will
10:41<SkyLord>was struggling all day trying to connect BT4 running thru vmware to internet...
10:42<djc>if not, then wait around, maybe someone else will later
10:42<locklace>djc: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO.html
10:42<locklace>now if only iptables didn't suck
10:42<djc>locklace, thank you.. if it sucks, is there something better?
10:42<ml|>djc: read have you read dpkg info on iptables?
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10:42<SkyLord>then realized that just after logging on there is a command for network something something. as u can see i am now connected. is this the right thing to do?
10:43<locklace>djc: pf is better, but it isn't available for linux :(
10:43<djc>SkyLord, 1. Im not familiar with "BT4", what is it? 2. "something something" is kinda vague
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10:44<SkyLord>I dont quite recall the command but it was something like etc/init.d/network start/
10:45<djc>hang on, back up.. what is "BT4" ?
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10:47<djc>and how are you using vmware? are you running vmware on debian with some other OS as a guest, or are you running debian as a vmware guest ?
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10:48<locklace>djc: i guess nftables has at least a hope of being better than iptables, but if you want to play with it now you'll probably have to do all the legwork yourself
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10:49<pcc>why is it that the linux 2.6.29 package does not build a xen kernel?
10:49<djc>We need a dpkg blurb about "if someone is helping you, and they ask some questions to calify what it is you are trying to do, keep in mind they may also have other things to do, so if they ask something, try to respond to them within a short period of time. If its going to take you a minute to find out what they asked, then let them know before you go off finding out"
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10:50<djc>s/calify/clarify
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10:51<djc>locklace, well, i mainly just need to setup a bit of port forwarding between a debian host and a freebsd vbox guest.. I suspect iptables will do
10:52<locklace>you can do that much more easily without resorting to iptables
10:52<djc>of course, since I still need to build said debian host, im not actually configuring iptables just now..
10:52<djc>Oh?
10:52<djc>some reason I thought iptables was the primary way of doing that
10:53<locklace>look at socat for instance
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10:53<djc>Hrm. I'd rather tell the kernel networking to handle it, rather than having a daemon running
10:54<locklace>er...why?
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10:54<locklace>userspace is good
10:54<weasel>dpkg: payattentionffs is <reply> if someone is helping you, and they ask some questions to calify what it is you are trying to do, keep in mind they may also have other things to do, so if they ask something, try to respond to them within a short period of time. If its going to take you a minute to find out what they asked, then let them know before you go off finding out
10:54<dpkg>okay, weasel
10:54<djc>lol
10:54<weasel>like that? :)
10:54<locklace>!beer weasel
10:54*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for weasel
10:54<djc>except you copied it with my typo :)
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10:55<weasel>well, fix it :)
10:55<djc>ffs?
10:55<djc>whats the ffs suffix
10:55<weasel>use a dictionary
10:56<patrikf>or ask dpkg.
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10:56<themill>dpkg payattentionffs =~ s/calify/clarify/
10:56<dpkg>OK, themill
10:56<djc>a
10:56<djc>ah
10:56<patrikf>clearly, what weasel wants to say is "firefox sucks".
10:56<dr|z3d>for f*'s sake.
10:56<dr|z3d>It's a statement of exasperation.
10:56<weasel>patrikf: what else could I possibly have meant
10:57<dr|z3d>patrikf: No, weasel is fluent in correct abbreviation.s He'd have said fxs if that were the case :)
10:57<djc>Anyway, I suppose it'd be fair to give SkyLord the benefit of the doubt and assume his network cable just happened to vaporize before he had a chance to respond
10:57<djc>or something
10:57<weasel>or a rabbit has eaten it
10:57<weasel>they like doing that
10:58<ml|>ha
10:58<djc>dang rabbit
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10:58<djc>*s
10:58<weasel>well, biting into them at least
10:58<djc>I didnt know network cables were vegetables
10:58<weasel>not a cable safe in the house if you've got rabbits
10:58<ml|>lol
10:58<weasel>I have a sample size of 2 households and I observe that 100% of the time
10:58<weasel>so it must be generally true
10:58<djc>Yeah well if they bite into the power cables you'll have dead rabbits!
10:58<weasel>dpkg: they are tough little bastards
10:58<dpkg>weasel: what are you talking about?
10:58<weasel>erm, djc.
10:59<djc>lol
10:59<ml|>lol
10:59<weasel>dpkg: stop hijacking the nick completion
10:59<dpkg>weasel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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10:59<ml|>heh
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10:59<patrikf>weasel: 100% of the time? you have an infinite number of rabbits? or maybe it just takes zero time for them to bite through cables. whatever.
10:59<djc>dpkg: rabbits is <reply> they are tough little bastards
10:59<dpkg>...but rabbits is already something else...
10:59<weasel>patrikf: I have observed it in both homes.
10:59<djc>!rabbits
10:59<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rabbits is reffered to as doggy-style
10:59<djc>wtf
10:59<patrikf>weasel: ah.
10:59<ml|>hah
11:00<weasel>dpkg: no, rabbits is <reply> they are tough little bastards
11:00<dpkg>okay, weasel
11:00<ml|>!rabbits
11:00<dpkg>they are tough little bastards
11:00<ml|>:)
11:00<djc>rabbits is referred to a 'doggy-style' ?!?!
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11:00<weasel>"don't ask"
11:00<djc>i dont want to know
11:00<djc>exactly
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11:02<djc> guess the rabbit bit all the way through
11:02<ml|>haha
11:02<djc>!dead rabbits
11:02<weasel>!rabbits
11:02<dpkg>they are tough little bastards
11:02<djc>heh
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11:02<djc>im waiting for someone to catch the 'dead rabbits' reference
11:04<patrikf>djc: that's not going to happen, it seems.
11:04<dr|z3d>!dead rabbits
11:04<dpkg>Dead rabbits make nice pie filling.
11:04<djc>ffs google it
11:04<djc>:P
11:05<djc>Damn good movie, if a bit gory
11:05<weasel>would you like some shepherd's pie with actual shepherd on top?
11:05<ml|>heh
11:05<dr|z3d>weasel: The apostrophe is key :)
11:06<dr|z3d>(it denotes ownership, not contents)
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11:06<weasel>It's priest. Have a little priest. - Is it really good? - Sir, it's too good, at least! Then again, they don't commit sins of the flash, so it's pretty fresh
11:06<weasel>Haven't you got poet, or something like that? - N, y'see, the trouple with poet is how 'Ow do you know it's deceased? Try the priest
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11:08<dr|z3d>Smells like a Terry Pratchett skit.
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11:08<djc>Amsterdam Vallon: Is there anyone in the five points you *haven't* fucked?
11:08<djc>Jenny: Yes! *You!*
11:08<weasel>dr|z3d: nope
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11:09<weasel>dr|z3d: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408236/
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11:10<dr|z3d>weasel: Ah, right you are!
11:10-!-ubuntu is now known as Guest662
11:10<locklace>someone should ban "ubuntu!*@*"
11:11<djc>!ubuntu
11:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:11<dr|z3d>There's nothing explicitly against the rules in being an ubuntu user.
11:11<dr|z3d>Seeking help with Ubuntu; that's a different issue.
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11:12<stuckey>If you make a connection to a computer with SSH... is there anyway to open a "chat session" with the user at the computer?
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11:13<berto>stuckey: talk
11:13<stuckey>berto: so I could install that program, and then launch it on their desktop?
11:13<weasel>write
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11:14<arthurfurlan>Anyone know how can I get my current screen resolution?
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11:14<locklace>dr|z3d: just kind of silly, all the people joining with the nick "ubuntu" and getting punted to Guest239815 after ten seconds
11:15<locklace>arthurfurlan: xrandr -q if you're in x
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11:16<arthurfurlan>locklace, just perfect! thanks :)
11:16<berto>stuckey: if he's using a desktop maybe you'll need something like gtalk (haven't tried it)
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11:16<djc>stuckey, it also depends on your level of access to that system (eg do you have root) and wether or not this is a pre-arranged chat or not
11:17<djc>eg, ether they are expecting you to connect in and talk to them
11:17<stuckey>djc: have root
11:17<stuckey>djc: could make it arranged
11:18<djc>then run a 'talk' deamon.. and if the console user is in X (gui), they'll probably need to leave something like what gtalk, as berto mentioned
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11:18<djc>!talk
11:18<dpkg>methinks talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand.
11:19<djc>install gtalk on the system. it appears to be both a daemon and the ui for GUI users.. then install 'talk', which is a text ui
11:20<djc>im installing both right now to verify it wrks
11:21<iiv>qemu 0.9.1: boot via network (-boot n) doesn't work - No valid PXE rom found for network device
11:22<dr|z3d>iiv: If you haven't setup a PXE server, it won't.
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11:23<djc>stuckey, it might work.. it might be simpler just to have that user connect to a predetermined irc server, and then connect to them there
11:23<djc>talk can be a bit balky
11:23<locklace>write(1) works fine
11:23<iiv>dr|z3d: I've set DHCP and TFTP only
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11:25<iiv>which package shall i install for PXE server?
11:25<dr|z3d>iiv: I think you need to also look at dnsmasq'ing, iirc.
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11:27<iiv>dr|z3d: why dns, i think boot rom for nic is missing
11:28<dr|z3d>If your apapter itself doen't support PXE, then nothing doing.
11:28<dr|z3d>*adapter
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11:29<iiv>dr|z3d: I mean virual adapter in qemu for network support
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11:34<djc>the 'boot rom' for a virtual adapter provided by qemu is also going to be virtual
11:34<djc>are you netbooting for an install or do you need a virtual diskless workstation?
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11:35<djc>if for an install, you might find it simpler to just use a cd iso image and let qemu provide it as a virtual cdrom drive to the guest machine to boot
11:35<djc>and to be honest, I dont quite entirely undertstand why you'd want a virtual diskless workstation
11:36<iiv>seems qemu doesn't contain boot rom
11:37<djc>i think it probably does
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11:37<iiv>i can't find it anywhere (for rlrtl8139)
11:38<djc>is that your real nic?
11:38<kop>Is there an ocsp server (that checks to see that certificate have not been revoked) for debian?
11:38<djc>on a real nic, boot rom is a physical chip on the pcboard.. on a virtual nic, its just emulated by the virtual machine
11:38<djc>its noth something you have to 'find'
11:39<djc>http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/qemu-doc.html
11:39<iiv>It should be placed in /usr/share/qemu
11:39<djc>what should be?
11:40<iiv>for examle pxe-rtl8139.bin, isn't it
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11:40<djc>a 'boot rom' is part of a nic. for a real nic, its a physical chip. for a virtual nic, it is also 'virtual', and would be part of the virtualization of a nic build into the virtual machine
11:41<djc>now, beyond the boot rom, you also need a network boot server, that the machines BIOS can access via network to get bootstrap code from for whatever OS you want to netboot
11:41<djc>bootp and/or tftp
11:41<djc>you still havent answered what you are trying to netboot for
11:41<djc>are you trying to install an OS?
11:41<djc>or have a working machine that boots from network?
11:41<iiv>But why when i try qemu that No valid PXE rom found for network device
11:42<djc>back up a bit.. whats the big picture.. what are you trying to do?
11:42<themill>iiv: by default, qemu uses a NE2000 adapter not an rtl8139.
11:42<djc>themill, but regardless, whatever it uses will be built in, and integrated into its virtual BIOS.. not something you need to download seperately
11:43<themill>djc: quite.
11:43<iiv>I've tried: qemu -boot n -net nic,model=rl8139 -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no
11:43<djc>iiv, what are you trying to accomplish by netbooting?
11:43<djc>stop
11:43<djc>stop
11:44<iiv>djc: boot FreeBSD via PXE
11:44<djc>regularly? or to install it?
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11:44<iiv>install
11:44<djc>do you have a tftp server setup for it to boot from?
11:45<djc>and why not just grab a copy of the freebsd cd iso image, and let qemu mount it as a cdrom for the vm
11:45<iiv>djc: yes, it contain pxeboot
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11:46<djc>before you try to netboot a virtual machine, you might want to see if a real physical machine can netboot from it
11:46<djc>if it cant, then fix that first
11:46<djc>but still,
11:46<djc>and why not just grab a copy of the freebsd cd iso image, and let qemu mount it as a cdrom for the vm
11:46<djc>and boot from that to install
11:46<djc>and as an aside, if you are on a x86 platform, you might find VirtualBOX easier to use than qemu
11:47<iiv>djc: the problem in qemu, i set all properly
11:48<iiv>Is VirtualBOX support network booting?
11:48<djc>dunno.. why not just copy the freebsd cd iso to the machine, and boot from it like a cdrom, to install?
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11:48<djc>yes.. Vbox supports network booting
11:48<djc>(just chcked)
11:48<iiv>djc: I'm interested only in net boot
11:48<djc>why?
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11:49<iiv>for testing
11:49<djc>shrug
11:49<djc>ok
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11:50<iiv>thanks to all, but I going to work with qemu
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11:51<urbinek>hi
11:52<urbinek>i have problem with mdadm
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11:53<urbinek>i don't know how to explain it, evrything works fine but when i'm moving or coping files
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11:53<urbinek>i cant copy another until tirsf finishes task
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11:53<djc>what are you using to copy files?
11:53<djc>cp ?
11:54<urbinek>kde copy&pasta
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11:54<djc>Why do you beleive that has something to do with mdadm?
11:54<djc>mdadm is a tool for managing software raid
11:55<urbinek>becouse when i've got normal non-raid i doeasn;t have problem like this
11:55<djc>It seems likely to me that kde's filemanager only lets you have one copy task at a time
11:55<djc>same exact versions of OS and kde?
11:56<urbinek>yes
11:56<djc>try using command line to copy
11:56<djc>open two terminals
11:56<urbinek>sec
11:56<urbinek>cp have any progress bar ?
11:57<djc>suggesting that the software raid has something to do with it, or even more so the tool for managing software raid, seems quite a stratch
11:57<djc>strEtch
11:57<urbinek>"strEtch" ?
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11:57<djc>I typed 'stratch'. I meant stretch
11:57<djc>I was correcting my typo
11:58<urbinek>no problem :)
11:58<themill>I've seen konqueror block while a copy+paste operation is in progress
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11:58<djc>I havent.. I dont use 'copy paste' to copy files
11:59<djc>Files are represented to me as lines in the output of 'ls'.. not as cute little pictures
11:59<djc>I've always found that paradigm to be silly and pointless
11:59<djc>and difficult to work with
11:59<urbinek>djc: cp command works parralel (?)
12:00<djc>the lack of grounding in the concepts of unix that question implies leave me speechless, I must admit
12:00<Gathond>urbinek: only if you start several of them
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12:01<urbinek>djc: que pasa ?
12:01<enouf>themill: yikes!
12:01<djc>urbinek, on a reasonably modern *nix system, you can have several hundreds of users logged in at once and they could all be copying files at once
12:02<themill>enouf: just that window
12:02<urbinek>Gathond: what do you mean ?
12:02<enouf>themill: thank goodness i never tried copying windows explorer style in that piece of dung :-P
12:02<djc>some users could even be logged in multiple times from multiple terminals
12:02<djc>heck even on an *old* *nix system
12:03<urbinek>djc: i know, but i'm telling how it is, when i/m coping one file i cant copy another
12:03<themill>it has its place, such as working with deep fs hierarchies, complicated file/dir names or working across unmounted/virtual filesystems (smb, sftp etc)
12:03<kop>Maybe hes got his md fs-s mounted sync?
12:03<Gathond>urbinek: I mean that cp will be a serial operation, but you are free to start as many as your system can handle in parallel
12:03<djc>urbinek, that is almost certainly a limitation of the kde/gui UI tool you are using
12:03<Gathond>urbinek: most default systems probably tend to get bogged down rather quickly as most disk systems are not really build for massive parallel operation
12:03<themill>urbinek: testing this with konqueror is a poor test of the situation.
12:03<urbinek>Gathond: i've checket it as djc says
12:04<urbinek>the-dude: i've got this only on konqueror...
12:04<Gathond>urbinek: but you are not doing this with cp
12:04<urbinek>and i quite like doing this that way
12:04<djc>themill, sftp is just silly, I would use sshfs. and smb... ugh
12:05<Gathond>whether the UI of a given program allows that I have no Idea, I'm in the terminal prompt club:)
12:05<djc>urbinek, fyi konqueror is primarily a web browser.. I think even in kde there is a better icon-based file manager
12:05<themill>djc: one doesn't always have the flexibility to choose.
12:06<bja>themill: One has allways the choice to learn
12:06<djc>if you can use sftp you can use sshfs
12:06<the-dude>urbinek: que?
12:06<djc>and one can choose not to use smb
12:06<themill>bja: but not necessarily the choice of protocols on a server
12:06<djc>at least, this 'one' does
12:06<bja>themill 1 bja 0
12:06<urbinek>djc: i used to it so i don't wanna any other file manganers( i hate dolphin) and besides, it worked with non-raid disks ...
12:06<urbinek>the-dude: ?
12:07<themill>djc: right... one can choose not to have access to one's files that are on a server that is only exposing smb...
12:07<djc>one can choose not to store one's files on such a 'server' in the first place
12:07<the-dude>18:04 < urbinek> the-dude: i've got this only on konqueror...
12:07<enouf>urbinek: the-dude i think urbinek meant themill , not you the-dude
12:07<djc>if one chooses not to use smb, one's files will never get stored on said server
12:07<enouf>(originally)
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12:08<urbinek>the-dude: sorry ^^'
12:08<djc>urbinek, well, if konqueror only lets you do one copy at a time, and you want to use konqueror, then you'll have to live with that
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12:08<djc>one possibility, are you using multiple windows with one instance of konqueror, or multiple instance of konqueror?
12:09<djc>Good lord I was able to type konqueror without mistake three times. in a row
12:09<djc>make that 4
12:09<enouf>urbinek: fwiw, do use use tabbed windows? if so, have you tried .. oh nm, you seem to think it's mdadm related
12:09<urbinek>both ways
12:10<themill>urbinek: until you try with some other tool than konqueror, everyone is going to tell you that it's konqueror's fault and nothing to do with mdadm.
12:10<urbinek>enouf: the only thing i've changes is enabling mdadm raid0
12:10<blarson>Depending on various factors, it may be faster to copy files sequentially than in parallel. (reduced disk seeks)
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12:10<djc>urbinek, it is quite unlikely that your problem has anything to do with md, and pretty much none that it has to do with 'mdadm', which is just a tool to mnage md
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12:12<urbinek>themill: i don't care is it mdadm or konqueror, i'm just wanna to fix it
12:13<themill>urbinek: right... and people have asked you to do other tests and you have refused to do so.
12:14<urbinek>themill: no ? ... djc ask me to test with cp and u've done this, besides i don't have any other manganers, sec i'll install something
12:14<djc>it is most likely konqueror, and the most available fix would be to use something else
12:14<ml|>why not just use your prefered terminal
12:15<djc>leading down to 'harangue the konqueror developers to make it multithreaded'
12:15<djc>I blame Microsoft
12:15<themill>urbinek: you seemed to indicate that you didn't know how to run the tests that djc asked you to run.
12:16<urbinek>eee wtf ? no Dolphin in squeeze/sid repo o_O
12:16<urbinek>themill: explain it for me please
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12:16<djc>and you're not using stable, in advance?
12:16<urbinek>srsly ? dunno xD
12:17<djc>squeeze and sid are not the same
12:17<urbinek>haruko:~# cat /etc/debian_version
12:17<urbinek>squeeze/sid
12:17<urbinek>so .. ?
12:17<themill>judd versions dolphin
12:17<judd>themill: dolphin -- etch: 0.7.0-1 sid: 4:4.2.2-1
12:18<djc>But neither is really appropriate for someone who is likely to suspect mdadm as the cause for konqueror not being able to have two copy operations at the same time
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12:18<djc>And some might argue not for someone that uses konqueror as their primary means of copying files in the first place
12:19<bja>Anyone has another problem with more data and less flame?
12:19<urbinek>i;m using konqueror to mangane files in all ways (?)
12:19<urbinek>ech... ok
12:19<urbinek>quite bothering from me
12:20<enouf>themill: what am i doing wrong here? "judd pciid [10de:1141]"
12:20<themill>enouf: either lose the [ and ] or put the pciid string in quotes. (it's a supybot syntax thing....)
12:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
12:21<themill>enouf: (supybot treats [ ] like sh treats $(...) which is fine unless you want to use them in a query like that)
12:21<enouf>themill: and should i try something like judd help to help me recall? .. oh crap themill , i had recalled it backwards; requiring the brackets :-)
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12:21<enouf>i see themill thanks
12:21<themill>enouf: and yes, "/msg judd help piciid" would tell you that too
12:22<andy>how this chat works
12:22<enouf>themill: gotcha
12:22<andy>can i ask something bout linux here?
12:23<enouf>urbinek: FWIW,what kioslave are you using? i mean, in the address/location bar, what;s the address start with? any one of these? http://en.opensuse.org/Konqueror_Tips_and_Tricks
12:23<ml|>!tell andy -about ask
12:23<enouf>andy: sure ... debian specific is nice
12:23<andy>ok
12:23<urbinek>enouf: normal, from /path/to/file
12:23<andy>im using backtrack right now
12:24<dr|z3d>andy: You can. Omit mentioning your distro if it's not Debian.
12:24<andy>is this a good distro?
12:24<andy>just asking brother
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12:24<enouf>andy: just so you know, freenode.net (et al) has general linux help channels, on freenode, that would be ##linux
12:24<andy>coz im not yet familiar with linux distro
12:24<enouf>and there was once a ##linux-help there or something too
12:25<andy>ok thanks enouf
12:25<djc>http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html
12:25<dr|z3d>andy: If you want a good beginner distro, Ubuntu is probably best.
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12:26<enouf>andy: well, i think you would find many proponents in whichever distro channel you asked in, for their distro ;-) we be denizens
12:26<djc>dr|z3d, heresy!
12:26<ml|>lol
12:26<enouf>heathen!
12:26<dr|z3d>(And is built on top of Debian)
12:26*enouf smites amphi with a mild apostate! :-)
12:27*dr|z3d chuckles.
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12:28<ml|>andy: and when ready move to Debian :)
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12:33<sci>!seen hans
12:34<dpkg>hans <~hans@p4FD66D8D.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9d 26m 12s ago, saying: 'cahoot: it worked. Thanks again for your help! '.
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12:34<cahoot>innocent bystander effect
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12:34<ml|>heh
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12:35<Jeffro>Hey there all. What is the best way to update a pretty outdated debian installation without losing your files?
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12:35<pasoev>Hi all, i started netinstall, it finished, but before installing grub bootloader, light turned off, how can I Install grub now?
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12:35<bja> If I use irssi to connect to any channel, i need to type "torify irssi ... " but then again firefox will not work, where can i fin the doc for tor?
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12:36<cahoot>I'd be inclined to guess at the TOR site
12:36<dr|z3d>bja: /join #tor
12:36<djc>pasoev, boot the instller again and use rescue mode
12:36<bja>dr|z3d: thanks
12:36<dr|z3d>bja: Also see https:/torpoject.org
12:36<dr|z3d>*torproject
12:36<pasoev>And what I have to do in rescue mode?
12:37<djc>Jeffro, if /home is on its own partition, then first save contents of /etc somwhere (usb key?) and also any persona files *not* in /home
12:37<djc>then install new version, but tell it *NOT* to format /home
12:37<djc>might not be a bad idea to back up first
12:37<djc>anotehr safe alternative is to get a new HD, swap hd's install new version to new HD
12:37<sci>hans: mailbox is full, phone is not answering, server is unreachable. where are you bum ?
12:37<ootput>is tor still something worth looking into?
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12:37<djc>then add old hd as 'second' and mount it and copy files from there to new system
12:38<ootput>tried it ages ago, and reduced bandwidth just didn't do it for me
12:38<Jeffro>I can't get another new hd Q_Q
12:38-!-barry [~chatzilla@cpe-98-30-159-245.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
12:38<ootput>though i can see where it'd be useful for irc and other small-packet loads
12:38<djc>get anotehr old hd?
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12:38<Jeffro>Im ean
12:38<djc>those are just some options
12:38<Jeffro>Both ide ports are used.
12:38<ootput>anyway, that's ot
12:38<djc>each ide channel can have two drives
12:38<locklace>bja: what are you trying to do
12:39<djc>typical system can have four ide drives
12:39<Jeffro>I am trying damn hard to get eggdrop working on it but I can't install tcl because libc6 is too old but I cant update libc6 because debian is too old Q_Q
12:39<djc>assuming physical space to mount them
12:39<Jeffro>Well
12:39<djc>Jeffro, what version of debian ?
12:39<Jeffro>This only has 1 channel.
12:39<Jeffro>command too see version?
12:39<barry>all: would anyone happen to know why swap would be maxed while memory is not and cpu usage would be 100% with multiple cores?
12:39<Jeffro>*to
12:39<ootput>Jeffro: debian is a dinosaur
12:40<bja>locklace: Help a friend
12:40<djc>oic.. well.. you could get a new drive, swap them, install on new drive.. then use a usb<->ide adapter to copy files from old drive
12:40<dr|z3d>barry: htop might shed some light.
12:40<dr|z3d>(or top)
12:40<djc>Jeffro, cat /etc/debian-version
12:40<ootput>Jeffro: our logo represents some sort of oceanic fossil
12:40<ootput>Jeffro: so no surprises there hehe
12:40<Jeffro>unknown file
12:40<Jeffro>lo
12:40<gsimmons>pasoev: Refer to the Installation Guide (section 8.7).
12:40<barry>htop showed kernel usage at 100% on multiple cores, loads over 100 restarted things are fine
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12:41<Jeffro>But I think I got Sarge
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12:41<djc>Jeffro, cat /etc/debian-version
12:41<djc>oh
12:41<Jeffro>cat: /etc/debian-version: Onbekend bestand of map
12:41<djc>oh
12:41<djc>heh
12:41<Jeffro>:P
12:41<djc>Jeffro, cat /etc/debian_version
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12:41<djc>underscore not dash
12:41<valdyn>barry: swap can easily be maxed while memory is empty when a huge task just quit
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12:41<Jeffro>3.1
12:41<djc>it says "3.1"
12:41<djc>not a name?
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12:41<ootput>barry: first thing to do would be to identify the process responsible
12:41<Jeffro>linuxserver:/home/jeffro# cat /etc/debian_version
12:41<Jeffro>3.1
12:42<Jeffro>Exact output.
12:42<djc>3.1 is sarge
12:42<djc>http://www.debian.org/releases/
12:42<ootput>haha, that _is_ old
12:42<barry>valdyn: ootput: there were no responsible processes which is odd, made me thing cpu temp is high causing throttling
12:42<Jeffro>I never bothered to update because everything worked ok
12:42<Jeffro>UNTIL I tried to install eggdrop,
12:42<djc>the safest thing is to save your files, and do a fresh install of lenny
12:43<ml|>Jeffro: good time for a fresh install
12:43<Jeffro>is it possible to do everything through network?
12:43<Jeffro>I don't have a old vga adaptor for my monitor atm xD
12:43<valdyn>Jeffro: yes
12:43<djc>'save your files' can be by removing the hd and putting another in its place, or by copying them to some other storage, or (if you have a seperate /home), telling new install to not format
12:43<valdyn>Jeffro: but do not skip releases
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12:43<ootput>Jeffro: if you lack the bandwidth, try apt-zip
12:43<valdyn>Jeffro: sarge -> etch -> lenny
12:44<djc>or if you have tons of bandwidth and a cd burner, download the primary cd image for etch and for lenny
12:44<ootput>Jeffro: ie you can fetch updated deb packages at a different computer station
12:44<valdyn>Jeffro: and upgrade to sarge first if you are not sure that you are really running a final sarge release version
12:44<ootput>provided it has wget, of course
12:44<valdyn>!oldstable
12:44<dpkg>i guess oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) is now oldstable. Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable
12:44<djc>in fact you should apply all sarge updates first
12:44<valdyn>!debian archive
12:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian archive is debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ and old versions of packages can be found at http://snapshot.debian.net/
12:44<Jeffro>Wow
12:44<djc>a fresh install might be simpler
12:45<Jeffro>I need to go buy myself a vga adapter first then xD
12:45<ootput>Jeffro: yep. just do a fresh install
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12:45<Jeffro>Because I cant attach my screen to my machine atm -,-
12:45<djc>how are you using it then?
12:45<Jeffro>Its attached to my network atm
12:45<ootput>Jeffro: you can do a network boot
12:46<Jeffro>But how can I follow the process?
12:46<ootput>tftp serve boot files
12:46<djc>ootput, he has no console from which to manage an install
12:46<valdyn>Jeffro: upgrading should work too
12:46<djc>Jeffro, yeah, you'll want to get whatever you need to connect a monitor
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12:46<valdyn>Jeffro: however you will not get around upgrading to a new kernel, which will require a reboot
12:46<djc>fresh install will be much easier
12:46<Jeffro>I guess so xD
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12:47<Jeffro>I'll just drop my gameservers installed atm anyway then./
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12:47<valdyn>Jeffro: depends on what youre running
12:47<valdyn>Jeffro: upgrades can be painless
12:47<ootput>djc: can't he do anything via ssh?
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12:47<Jeffro>Well its certainly acient atm xD
12:47<djc>ootput, he can do upgrades, but you cant do a fresh install via ssh
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12:48<Jeffro>hmm
12:48<djc>serial console might be an option, if the bios supports it..
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12:48<Jeffro>I think I'll steal my mom's monitor cable to attach it to my screen.
12:48<Jeffro>xD
12:48<barry>valdyn: this is the screenshot from when it occured http://weathervids.com/files/irc/htop.png
12:48<ootput>borrow it. you won't be needing a monitor in the future will you?
12:48<Jeffro>only problem is I dont have cd's
12:48<Jeffro>I only have dvds atm.
12:48<ootput>Jeffro: Mother's Day soon...
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12:48<Jeffro>I know :P
12:48<sney>dvd is just as good
12:49<sney>as long as the system has a dvd drive anyway
12:49<Jeffro>Thats the problem
12:49<Jeffro>System is ancient too.
12:49<sney>oof
12:49<Jeffro>1 ghz.
12:49<sney>usb key?
12:49<Jeffro>Maybe if it boots from it :O
12:49<sney>might
12:49<Jeffro>Or I could try network boot again.
12:49<Jeffro>I succeeded once when I tried it at school :P
12:49<Jeffro>Teachers were amazed XD
12:50<djc>floppy?
12:50<ootput>Jeffro: why can't you use the monitor that you're using to see this?
12:50<Jeffro>Because its a 22 inch acreen
12:50<Jeffro>screen
12:50<Jeffro>with a digital connector.
12:50*djc suspects he's using a mac or something with a non-standard connector
12:50<Jeffro>And that only works on new video cards :)
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12:50<Jeffro>without the adaptor anyway.
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12:51<ootput>isn't there a digital-analog adaptor?
12:51<Jeffro>Thats what I need to buy.
12:51<ootput>your monitor should work fine in analog mode, right?
12:51<ootput>oh
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12:51<ootput>not supplied with graphics card?
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12:51<Jeffro>I lost it somehow.
12:51<Jeffro>Thats why I'll go get my moms cable
12:51<sney>yeah those little dvi-vga dongles always walk away
12:52<ootput>your situation just gets worse, doesn't it hehe
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12:52<barry>all: i noticed quite a few checked the screep cap of htop, anyone have suggestios as to the cause?
12:53<Arcalyth>Hi all. When I resume, my laptop's touchpad stops working. Looking at Xorg.0.log, it appears that auto-dev is assigning /dev/input/event7 to my touchpad, and when I resume /dev/input/event7 no longer exists. How do I reinitialize my touchpad after suspend/resume?
12:54<ootput>barry: i'm still surprised that top doesn't report the process
12:54<barry>ootput: that's what is freaking me out
12:54<barry>and why i guess possibel cpu temp issue causing throttling, but i must be wrong because it is runing
12:54<barry>this happened a few hours ago
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12:55<ootput>chkrootkit?
12:56<locklace>Arcalyth: what kind of touchpad? what kernel version?
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12:57<Arcalyth>locklace: synaptics, 2.6.28.1
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12:57<enouf>Arcalyth: does cat /proc/bus/input/devices show many ?
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12:57<Arcalyth>shows my touchpad as /dev/input/event7
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12:58<Arcalyth>also as mouse0
12:58<Arcalyth>and /class/input/input7
12:58<enouf>sounds like an issue for /etc/acpi/* scripts - is acpi-support-* installed?
12:58<locklace>Arcalyth: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-February/004335.html
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12:59<Arcalyth>enouf: yes they are I believe
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12:59<barry>ootput: checked again, noting detected
12:59<Arcalyth>locklace: I should apply that patch then?
12:59<ootput>barry: ps -eo user,pcpu,pid,command | sort -r -k2 | head -11
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13:00<barry>normal processes
13:00<barry>apache and whatnot
13:00<ootput>does your system feel sluggish?
13:00<barry>it's absolutlely fine now
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13:00<ootput>how are you getting cpu utilisation figures?
13:01<barry>from htop? standard
13:01<barry>usage is now normal 2 3 2 etc
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13:01<barry>this was from a few hours ago
13:01<ootput>and you can't reproduce the problem?
13:01<barry>no
13:01<locklace>Arcalyth: worth a try
13:02<barry>none of the normal processes caused the issue as shown in htop
13:02<ootput>disconnect from network for a while, and perform security checklist
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13:02<ootput>though chances are if there was any sort of intrusion, process would've had enough time to erase it's tracks
13:02<ootput>how long did you leave the computer in this state?
13:03<barry>how long? no more than a couple minutes
13:03<ootput>wait you mentioned that you're running httpd?
13:03<barry>yah
13:04<ootput>are you running any scripts services on your server?
13:04<ootput>barry: high swap will lead to high load averages too
13:05<barry>ootput: well i've never seen swap maxed while memory is not
13:05<barry>but http was not the issue as loads were negligible for the service
13:07<barry>ootput: what is funny is while the cpu was maxed and /ps showed no culprit i could still interact with the system with loads of over 200, makes no sense
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13:07<barry>but it is running ok now
13:07<ootput>barry: have you ever changed swappiness level of kernel?
13:07<ootput>ie more agressive swaps
13:08<ootput>barry: can't think of anything else
13:08<barry>yah, but swap settings are not the issue as usually swap is not allocated such as now
13:08<ootput>i'd just re-evaluate services running on the server(?)
13:09<barry>ootput: for example here is how she looks now http://weathervids.com/files/irc/htop2.png
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13:10<Woet>I have a very weird problem
13:10<Woet>My dot does not work in nano :/
13:11<Woet>actually, it doesn't work in any input program, like nano/vi
13:11<Woet>it works in the command line though
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13:12<ootput>guess that would rule out any other process on the system haha
13:13<barry>yah but something ahd to do it
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13:17<ootput>nothing to do with the config
13:17<ootput>why is why i asked about script-usage earlier
13:18<ootput>can you take the server offline, and trial-error load scripts?
13:18<Woet>.. anyone?
13:19<ptr>Why is it that live-helper doesn't support using grub with the usb-hdd image target? Seems like that's the place where it'd be most appropriate.
13:19<ootput>Woet: using an exotic dot nanorc?
13:19<Woet>ootput: .. no idea?
13:19<Woet>i did not make any changes besides installing lenny
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13:21<Woet>ootput: how would I check?
13:21<barry>ootput: no is active, guess will just wait for it to happen again, or pray that it doesn't ;/
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14:00<christoph>hey all! I'm trying to bootstrap an qemubuilder for armel but the 2.6.26-1 fails with http://paste.debian.net/35225 and the 2.6.28-6 kernel hangs forever
14:00<thelongmile>greetings
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14:02<valdyn>barry: have you check dmesg?
14:02<valdyn>barry: have you checked dmesg?
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14:03<thelongmile>back in a little , was just registering, then will need a little advice
14:03<thelongmile>ok to idle?
14:04<valdyn>barry: all i can gather is you seem to have had some "mysterious" contention in the kernel
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14:06<barry>valdyn: rabid squirrels somewhere, she has been running fine for about a year now and then this.. who knows..
14:07<ml|>!rabbits
14:07<dpkg>they are tough little bastards
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14:08<bja>christoph: Can't help you here, I hope locklace can take a look I've seen him spot lots of module problems =)
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14:09<christoph>bja, seems so but that's quite some auto-foo there no idea if I can do something maually
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14:10<asaleem>there is program that writes every command to syslog. Anyone remembers its name?
14:11<petemc>logger?
14:11<asaleem>it flipped off my mind
14:11<asaleem>petemc, no
14:11<petemc>you want some form of accounting?
14:11<asaleem>every command rin on the commandline is recorded
14:12<asaleem>I want to see when a certain command was run
14:12<asaleem>by users
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14:12<asaleem>yesterday, the apache got shutdown but I dont know if it was a user who did
14:13<petemc>thats process accounting
14:13<asaleem>or script
14:13<petemc>script doesnt write to syslog
14:13<asaleem>not syslog, I mean log
14:14<noflash>.history
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14:15<slav>hi
14:15<asaleem>noflash, .history does not have timestamp by default
14:15<petemc>nor script
14:15<slav>what is the best solution of making Debian mirror: debmirror or apt-mirror ?
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14:15<noflash>.bash_history
14:15<noflash>sorry
14:16<asaleem>noflash, yes, it does not have timestamp by default
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14:20<wnd>asaleem, I know this doesn't solve the issue completely, but perhaps you should consider having others to use sudo for things like that. caveat with sudo is that either you have to list all commands people are allowed to run, or if all commands are allowed, face the fact that someone will run "sudo su" sooner rather than later.
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14:21<adama>that's the first thing I run on any Ubunto box!
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14:23<sney>or just sudo -s
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14:24<adama>I think sudo bash would work too
14:24<petemc>and sudo -s
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14:28<adama>how about sudo 'cat /home/adama/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys' ; ssh root@localhost
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14:30<petemc>have you tried it?
14:30<adama>not exactly, I really hate sudo in general
14:31<petemc>what about the private key?
14:31<adama>but I do have this in my .alias file: alias su='ssh root@localhost'
14:31<adama>and the keys
14:32<petemc>and the user mentioned at the end of the key..
14:32<adama>that's all in the .pub file
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14:32<actatux>asaleem> lastcomm from acct package
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14:48<InkBottle>Hi, If I put Exec=LANG=C xchat, in xchat.desktop, it fails to start; what could I do?
14:48<ootput>don't
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14:49<ootput>or at least omit Exec=
14:49<InkBottle>ootput: but if I omit exec, it won't be executed?
14:49<valdyn>InkBottle: those desktop files arent started by a shell, that would be a waste of resources
14:49<ootput>InkBottle: i'm not familiar with structure of xchat.desktop
14:50<valdyn>InkBottle: *arent starting a shell*
14:50<InkBottle>valdyn: of course
14:50<ootput>InkBottle: try putting quotes around "LANG..t"
14:50<valdyn>InkBottle: you need to write a shell script and put environment settings there, and start xchat from there
14:50<InkBottle>ootput: I did
14:50<InkBottle>make no difference
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14:51<ootput>is there a manpage on how that file is structured?
14:51<InkBottle>ootput: yes
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14:51<InkBottle>I read it already
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14:51<InkBottle>ootput: but valdyn might be right
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14:52<valdyn>InkBottle: guess you would know if theres an extra field like Exec but for environment variables
14:52<InkBottle>it's not launched by a shell
14:52<themill>http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html
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14:52<InkBottle>valdyn: good idea
14:52<InkBottle>I check in this direction
14:52<ootput>InkBottle: curiously, what is xchat.desktop for?
14:53<adama>just get rid of LANG=C
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14:53<InkBottle>adama: but it is the lang=c that I want to add
14:54<InkBottle>without there is no problem
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14:54<valdyn>ootput: thats your menu entry
14:54<valdyn>ootput: or what your xchat menu entry is derived from
14:55<ootput>ah
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14:57<adama>InkBottle: trythis: Exec=env LANG="C" xchat
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14:58<adama>I have some .desktop files for wine programs that require env. vars
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14:58<adama>they use env
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14:58<valdyn>ah, good one
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15:03<InkBottle>adama: It seems it should work (I have to do more test)
15:04<adama>I also have "Terminal=false" and "Type=Application" which may or may not be useful
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15:05<jambe_at_least>hi there, english chan?
15:05<adama>!en
15:05<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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15:06<weasel>!at
15:06<dpkg>at is probably a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. austria
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15:07<weasel>unhelpful
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15:11<InkBottle>another question, I've seen people with a beautiful large digital clock in there root window. I've search on the web for this kind of application, but I've found nothing
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15:12<adama>I have one of those, through gdesklets
15:12<InkBottle>adama: gdesklets, I check
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15:12<adama>gdesklets is really annoying though, most of the desklets are buggy or broken
15:13<adama>the digital clock works pretty good though
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15:14<chealer>dpkg: no, en is <reply>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
15:14<dpkg>okay, chealer
15:14<darkbulb>which file in the boot directory is used to tell grub where to boot from
15:15<darkbulb>i need to fix it to boot from 2,0 instead of 0,0
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15:15<ootput>grub/menu.lst
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15:16<ootput>oh wait, you'd need to run interactive grub shell
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15:16<darkbulb>hmm I am getting an error 15 on a new debian install but the boot partition appeas right
15:16<InkBottle>adama: and it requires the installation of the full gnome (I use open box :) )
15:17<adama>oh, wellll then you're on your own
15:17<darkbulb>could someone help me figure out why debian wont boot ie why else grub would throw a error 15 on a good disk
15:17<InkBottle>adama: :)
15:17<jambe_at_least>!wiki scite
15:18<ootput>darkbulb: the problem lies in the fact that grub (in mbr) can't find the boot partition, let alone the menu.lst
15:18<adama>darkbulb: boot a live CD. then in terminal, type grub.
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15:18<adama>darkbulb: grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 -output-> (hdX,Y)
15:19<darkbulb>done shes probing
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15:19<darkbulb>hopefullly knoppix is suitable
15:19<adama>darkbulb: then type root (hdX,Y) where X and Y are what the find command found
15:19<adama>then setup (hdX)
15:19<adama>quit and reboot
15:19<adama>knoppix should be fine
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15:20<darkbulb>find /boot/grub/stage1/ Error 15 file not found
15:21<adama>do you have /boot set up as a separate partition?
15:21<ootput>darkbulb: did you remember to set an active partition?
15:21<darkbulb>no Idont have a boot partition
15:21<darkbulb>checking the partions with fdisk
15:22<adama>there should not be any / after stage1 up there
15:22<darkbulb>yes / is set active
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15:23<darkbulb>going back into grub now adam and will try with corrected typing
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15:23<ootput>darkbulb: pastebin your menu.lst
15:25<darkbulb>http://paste.debian.net/35235/
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15:27<ootput>darkbulb: which filesystem used for /
15:28<darkbulb>test
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15:28<darkbulb>./ is sda
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15:28<darkbulb>i cant use a forward slash alone as its being seen as a switch
15:29<asaleem>I can login to a server but when I try to use scp, it allows public-key and interactive. Any idea?
15:29<darkbulb>but its sda 2,0 according to the
15:29<darkbulb>boot map
15:29<ootput>asaleem: so it allows both?
15:30<asaleem>ootput, but I cant use sco as I not at the consol
15:30<asaleem>does scp uses another config file
15:30<ootput>no. only .ssh/config
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15:31<asaleem>ssh - > ok, scp ->pub/kybrd
15:31<adama>darkbulb: did that find command work?
15:31<darkbulb>no it didnt
15:31<InkBottle>I've got a good nvidia card, but I've got so many problem with it. what card could be good for linux (open driver)?
15:31<ootput>asaleem: er, /etc/ssh/ssh_config too
15:31<asaleem>ootput, on remote side?
15:31<ootput>huh?
15:31<asaleem>ootput, settings should on remote side
15:32<darkbulb>adama, find didnt work
15:32<asaleem>ootput, and sshd_config instead of ssh_config
15:32<asaleem>ootput, right?
15:32<ootput>InkBottle: matrox, if you don't need 3d accel
15:32<darkbulb>I dont see why it cant find the bootloader
15:32<darkbulb>always the GTX series
15:32<darkbulb>or GTS if you dont want to mortgage your house
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15:33<InkBottle>ootput: (I will check about it) but It would be keen to have 3d acceleration :)
15:33<InkBottle>ootput: and I've got a very large screen
15:33<darkbulb>can I redo grub
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15:35<ootput>asaleem: tbh, i don't really understand your situation
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15:35<darkbulb>adama, can i pm you
15:36<ootput>InkBottle: there is a lot of dev going on with open radeon drivers
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15:36<ootput>InkBottle: with some chipsets supported more than others
15:36<asaleem>ootput, I am copying a file to a server using scp. It tells me that remote side can accept public-key or kybrd interactive logins
15:36<asaleem>ootput, but when I use ssh, I can just login with a password
15:36<InkBottle>ootput: that's what I heard
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15:37<asaleem>in case of scp, i can't, with a password
15:37<asaleem>ootput, I have always though that scp uses the same config as ssh
15:38<asaleem>so if I can login with a pass using ssh, I should be able to use scp using a password
15:39<ootput>asaleem: not unless the remote end has a read-only mount
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15:40<ootput>i can imagine a chrooted sshd on a read-only mount denying you access
15:40<Seattle_Mike>Lenny nfs server doesn't allow client access to symlinks and mounted drives
15:41<asaleem>ootput, why password authentication works for ssh, then?
15:41<ootput>asaleem: what's the error message from scp?
15:41<mjt>wug. scp just uses ssh as a transport, in exactly the same way as interactive login. It's not 'scp' that has some config files, it's ssh/sshd.
15:42<asaleem>I typed the password 3 or 4 times and it does not get through
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15:42<ootput>right, and there are other ways of sending files over that transport system without having to use scp
15:42<mjt>Seattle_Mike: that's wrong. symlinks are there, client can see them just fine. For "submounts" yes, but that's controlled by subtree_check export option.
15:42<asaleem>ootput, then I receive "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)."
15:43<ootput>how are you invoking scp
15:43<mjt>asaleem: that's, really, a wrong password
15:43<mjt>or wrong server
15:43<mjt>or wrong option to ssh
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15:43<asaleem>ootput, look "publickey,keyboard-interactive"
15:43<ootput>saw it just then
15:44<asaleem>scp test root@serv1.abc.com:
15:44<Seattle_Mike>mjt is that for user-server and kernel server? I'll check out subtree_check option --- thanks
15:44<ootput>asaleem: wrong
15:44<mjt>Seattle_Mike: that - what exactly?
15:44<ootput>unless you're admining abc.com.. which i doubt
15:44<mjt>Seattle_Mike: no nfs server i know of care about symlinks
15:44<asaleem>ootput, what is wrong with it?
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15:45<Seattle_Mike>mjt: I swear my etch nfs user-server handled them fine.
15:45<asaleem>I use it all the time, like that
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15:45<asaleem>ootput, replace root with another user
15:45<mjt>Seattle_Mike: it does not "handle" them.
15:45<asaleem>scp test user@serv1.abc.com:
15:45<mjt>Seattle_Mike: it just passes them to the client as any other file
15:46<asaleem>ootput, if it was wrong, I should not have gotten to the password prompt
15:47<Seattle_Mike>mjt: with Lenny server symlinks exist but don't resolve
15:47<mjt>Seattle_Mike: and oh, i was wrong about subtree_check, it's completely irrelevant.
15:47<ootput>mjt: you've got explain that acronym to me sometime
15:47<Seattle_Mike>mjt: Ouch I thought subtree_check would solve my mounts
15:47<ootput>mjt: i only know of it in the diablo context
15:47<mjt>ootput: which acronym?
15:48<ootput>wug
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15:48<mjt>it's like 'oh' or 'ah' ;)
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15:48<ootput>wug
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15:49<mjt>Seattle_Mike: in that case you have to be a bit more specific. What you expect to see, what you're seeing with lenny nfs server and what with etch.
15:49<InkBottle>bye every body
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15:49<jackyf>mjt: haha :)
15:51<Seattle_Mike>mjt: For 1. I want my clients (Lenny and eeepc and probable Etch) to see mounted shares ... i.e. I have a directory called photo on the server which the server mounts a partition to. Clients see photo but can't see below photo.
15:52<Seattle_Mike>mjt: I don't have an etch server ... but I'm thinking of going with EtchnHalf.
15:52<mjt>er
15:52<sney>the last time I used debian extensively, etch was testing
15:52<mjt>that way we'll go nowhere.
15:53<mjt>Seattle_Mike: i expect something like that: on nfs server in exported directory i've a symlink named 'foo'. When I do `ls -l foo' on client i see this: `...', but I expect to see something like this: `...'
15:54<Seattle_Mike>mjt: Well I'm getting pretty desperate . My etch server ran for years w/o problem. That's Apache, NFS, Samba, gnump3d
15:54<ootput>that looked identical to me :)
15:54<jthomas>Why would apache try to load a file of type ~ instead of index.php ?
15:55<mjt>jthomas: what's a "type" of a file?
15:55<darkbulb>do you mean a file extention
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15:55<simonrvn>s/ti/si/
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15:56<jthomas>not sure; when we visit our setup Iceweasel wants to know what I want to do: "You have chosen to open which is a: ~ file "
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15:56<jthomas>i don't have any backup~ files in the folder
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15:56<mjt>jthomas: it's transmitted in http headers: content-type: ~
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15:56<jthomas>hmm, where to look into that then?
15:56<darkbulb>is it okay to set all partitins active with gparted
15:57<jthomas>darkbulb it is but io don't know if it is actually possible
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15:57<mjt>jthomas: in apache config
15:57<simonrvn>you can't. and why?
15:57<mjt>jthomas: try grep -r ~ /etc/apache
15:57<ootput>darkbulb: are you still doing trial and error
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15:57<ootput>.. w/ grub device map
15:58<mjt>darkbulb: it's ok and possible as long as your bootloader can cope with it
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15:58<darkbulb>ootput, the map doesnt match my partitions
15:58<mjt>darkbulb: but it's meaningless
15:58<ootput>darkbulb: re-map ;)
15:58<darkbulb>how
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15:59<jthomas>mjt i get nothing back with that, nor with: grep -r ~ /etc/apache2/
15:59<darkbulb>should the map have enties for all four orimary partitions on a disk
15:59<mjt>jthomas: er, escape the ~
15:59<mjt>jthomas: try adding `echo ' before to see what does shell do with it ;)
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16:00<mjt>jthomas: and it's your call which it is -- apache or apache2 ;)
16:00<jthomas>its apache2
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16:02<mjt>jthomas: note also that with php it's possible that headers gets generated by the php script too
16:03<jthomas>mjt happens with the index.html files also
16:03<jthomas>unless we manually write index.html o index.php in the browser
16:04<jthomas>actually, even if we write index.html it happens; not with index.php, index.php works fine if we type it
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16:29<Supaplex>!etch key
16:29<dpkg># apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update
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16:46<darkbulb>I am going to trinstall debian again
16:46<darkbulb>damn this bootloader config is crap
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16:59<ed_debian>So I have a funny problem. If I turn my system off by any means other than literally cutting the power then when I turn the system back on my onboard lan seems to have vanished. It isn't in the bios and debian doesn see one. Any ideas?
16:59<ed_debian>To get the lan to come back I have to cut the power (I usually do it early in the boot stage) and then boot up again
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17:07<locklace>ed_debian: haha, nice
17:08<locklace>ed_debian: if you can see in the bios whether the mainboard knows about it, and it really is appearing and disappearing at that level, then you have a hardware problem
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17:09<bremner>ed_debian: maybe some problem loading firmware?
17:09<ed_debian>locklace, Well no it definitely is not in the bios. Here is the thing though. Back when I ran windows this didn't happen.
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17:09<ed_debian>bremner, It only happens when I shut the computer off correctly. So maybe it is a problem unloading firmware if there is such a thing
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17:10<ed_debian>Also it isn't there in the bios. The bios has nothing to do with linux so I don't think that linux is loading something incorrectly
17:10<locklace>ed_debian: what kind of system is this? have you checked for bios updates?
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17:11<adama>!seen darkbulb
17:11<dpkg>darkbulb is currently on #debian (29m 15s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 25m 28s, last said: 'damn this bootloader config is crap'.
17:11<ed_debian>It is pc-chips p23g motherboard running debian 5.0
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17:12<locklace>ed_debian: and what forms of shutting down have you tried? do you mean you have to pull the power when the system is running, or after halt(8) has done its job? how about poweroff(8)?
17:12<ed_debian>I have not check bios updates. I was convinced that this was a software thing becuase of the difference between windows and linux
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17:12<ed_debian>locklace, I have tried shutting down via system -> shut down...
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17:13<ed_debian>locklace, I have tried running sudo shutdown with and without the -r flag
17:13<ed_debian>All of those methods "hide" the onboard lan
17:13<dr|z3d>ed_debian: sudo shutdown -r 0
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17:13<ed_debian>yeah
17:13<ed_debian>How do I shut down "after" halt, or poweroff?
17:14<dr|z3d>Sorry, I should read screenlog.
17:14<locklace>ed_debian: so when you shutdown without -r, does the system power off or just halt and then you have to powercycle?
17:14<dr|z3d>After? sudo shutdown -h 0 shutsdown, as opposing a restart.
17:14<ed_debian>if I run sudo shutdown now
17:14<ed_debian>The system shuts off as it should
17:14<ed_debian>then when I turn it back on there is no onboard lan
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17:14<dr|z3d>That's odd.
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17:15<ed_debian>until I hit the powerswitch / pull the plug/ shut down the system by cutting off power.
17:15<locklace>ed_debian: can you try removing the module for your card before shutting down?
17:15<ed_debian>how do I check the module for the card?
17:15<ed_debian>sudo modprobe ...
17:16<locklace>ed_debian: lsmod or look at dmesg output
17:16<locklace>what kind of card is this by the way, and how is it connected to the mainboard
17:17<dr|z3d>ed_debian: If removing the module and then shutting down works, you might want to create a bash alias..
17:17<ed_debian>ok lsmod is somewhat cryptic
17:17<ed_debian>Any help?
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17:17<dr|z3d>lsmod |grep lan
17:17<locklace>dr|z3d: it would be better to add the instruction to the shutdown scripts in that case
17:18<ed_debian>dr|z3d, lsmod |grep lan = nada
17:18<locklace>ed_debian: also try "dmesg | egrep -i 'net|eth'"
17:18<ed_debian>nm-applet says I am using the via-rhine driver
17:18<dr|z3d>Yeah, scrub the lan idea. What locklace said.
17:19<darkbulb>been here all day adama you know it
17:19<locklace>ed_debian: ok your driver is called via-rhine
17:19<locklace>ed_debian: so double-check, "lsmod | grep via"
17:21<ed_debian>from lsmod | grep via i have the via_rhine module using nothing
17:21<ed_debian>and the mii module using via_rhine on another line
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17:21<locklace>ed_debian: ok good, what you're going to try is this: (1) bring system to single-user mode; (2) modprobe -r via_rhine and verify it's gone with the same lsmod command as above; (3) run poweroff(8)
17:21<amnesiauk>hello
17:22<locklace>ed_debian: ok you may have to modprobe -r mii first in step 2
17:22<amnesiauk>is there anyone who could help me over here?
17:22<locklace>!ask
17:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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17:23<amnesiauk>I have a problem with connecting to the internet on my new laptop:S, I'm running ubuntu 8.10
17:23<locklace>!ubuntu
17:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:23<amnesiauk>mkay I'll go to freenode:p
17:23<amnesiauk>sorry:p
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17:26<ed_debian>guess what! running sudo modprobe -r via_rhine before shutdown solved the problem!
17:26<locklace>great
17:26<ed_debian>debian users are by far the smartest people
17:26<locklace>ed_debian: so now you'll want to modify your shutdown scripts to run that for you automatically
17:26<ed_debian>yeah
17:26<ed_debian>should I make a new script?
17:26<ed_debian>Where do I put it?
17:28<locklace>ed_debian: you can create it in /etc/init.d and link to it from /etc/rc6.d
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17:30<locklace>ed_debian: for example create a little two-liner with #!/bin/sh and the modprobe command in /etc/init.d, call it say unload-viadriver, chmod 755 it, then (cd /etc/rc6.d; ln -s ../init.d/unload-viadriver K90unload-viadriver)
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17:31<ed_debian>locklace, in the script "sudo su --c modprobe -r via_rhine" ?
17:31<locklace>no, it already runs as root so omit the sudo su -c stuff and just use /sbin/modprobe ...
17:32<ed_debian>ok cool
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17:34<ed_debian>brb I'll try to shutdown without manually removing the module
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17:34<locklace>btw you might want to report this issue to kernel driver maintainer
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17:44<pasoev>Hello! can anyone help me, I need to install envy on debian
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17:46<gravity>The nvidia thing?
17:46<gravity>Why not just use the package in non-free?
17:47<pasoev>yes
17:47<pasoev>ok, I`ll try
17:48<pasoev>in synaptic?
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17:49<ed_debian>locklace, Sorry that took so long. It doesn't seem to be working
17:50<locklace>ed_debian: did you do all the steps i said
17:50<ed_debian>in /etc/init.d I have a script called viaRhine.sh
17:50<pasoev>i found only alsa-tools-gui
17:50<ed_debian>the script says in it "#!/bin/sh
17:50<ed_debian>modprobe -r via_rhine
17:50<ed_debian>which is the correct command
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17:50<gravity>pasoev: nvidia-glx is in non-free
17:51<ed_debian>and in /etc/rc6.d there is a symbolic (soft) link to /etc/init.d/viaRhine.sh
17:51<locklace>ed_debian: write it as /sbin/modprobe. what are the permissions on that file? what is the symlink in rc6.d named?
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17:52<ed_debian>the symlink in rc6.d is named viaRhine.sh (the same as the file it references)
17:52<ed_debian>the permissions are root read & write on user and group. It is executable
17:52<mjt>it should be SNN... or KNN...
17:52<locklace>ed_debian: no, prepend "K90" to its name
17:52<ed_debian>I'll try /sbin/modprobe -r via_rhine
17:53<locklace>ed_debian: and chmod 755 it to be sure. do those three steps, try again
17:53<ed_debian>locklace, So the link in rc6.d should be named K90<whatevertheheliwant>
17:54<locklace>ed_debian: K90<name of file in init.d this link is pointing to>
17:54<ed_debian>ok
17:54<mjt>well, one can put the script directly to rc6.d/ or other rc?.d/
17:54<dr|z3d>Hmm.. permissions.. reminds me.. say permissions are borked and I can only run a functional system as root, what's a surefire quick way to have everything working again? :)
17:54<mjt>with proper name anyway - KNN* or SNN*
17:55<mjt>dr|z3d: reinstall
17:55*dr|z3d laughs.
17:55<dr|z3d>I was about to say "forget suggesting reinstall".
17:56<ed_debian>locklace, I have done the three steps
17:56<locklace>dr|z3d: find / -exec chmod 6777 \{\} \;
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17:56<ed_debian>I will try rebooting and let you know
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17:56<mjt>i once did a chmod -R /something by mistake. And after several years I still find issues with root in that incident...
17:56<dr|z3d>locklace: That wouldn't deal with folder permissions, though, would it?
17:56<mjt>dr|z3d: it will
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17:57<locklace>uh oh
17:58<madsci>that isn't a "surefire way to get everything working again" as some things will check to make sure you don't have too many permissions and won't work right if it's been 777'd
17:58<locklace>madsci: it was a joke
17:59<madsci>noted, heh, but there might be some in here who didn't realize that/why it wouldn't work.
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18:01<mjt>http://www.bash.org/?245718 -- for ones who don't realize etc..
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18:04<ed_debian>locklace, still not working
18:04<ed_debian>locklace, if I add a line to my script like echo 'my script is running' will it show up at some point?
18:06<locklace>ed_debian: ok, guess you'll have to do rc debugging to see why it isn't running
18:06<locklace>ed_debian: you can uncomment the line debug=echo near the top of /etc/init.d/rc and try it that way
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18:07<ed_debian>locklace, I'll try that
18:07<locklace>ed_debian: you can put "echo my script is running; sleep 10" in your script
18:07<ed_debian>thanks btw for your help so far
18:07<locklace>ed_debian: and you should do all this outside of X, from a vc
18:08<locklace>probably want to be careful about that change to /etc/init.d/rc, by the way
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18:12<bja>ed_debian: Have you tried putting the whole name of your script without capital letters, I read here some time ago that it was causing trouble?
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18:16<dr|z3d>locklace: Do I need root privs to execut that command.. getting a lot of permission denied's.
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18:17<dr|z3d>(or is executing it as the user fine?)
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18:18<dr|z3d>And I offlined before I caught the answer to the previous question. Are there any concerns with running 'find / -exec chmod 6777 \{\} \;' ?
18:18<locklace>dude!
18:18<locklace>haha
18:19<locklace>that was a joke
18:19<locklace>please do *not* run it
18:19<dr|z3d>Yeah. Thought as much. :/
18:19<dr|z3d>Not terribly amusing.
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18:29<Zviper>anyone know what it means when you try to type google and you get this "jzzj'g"
18:29<Zviper>what setting got fucked up?
18:29<adama>keymap
18:30<adama>not sure how you managed that
18:30<Zviper>it happend after i upgraded to lenny
18:30<Zviper>which didn't go too well
18:30<Zviper>loads of errors
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18:31<Pitxyoki>Zviper, are you using gnome?
18:31<Zviper>yee
18:31<Pitxyoki>System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout
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18:31<Pitxyoki>How many layouts do you have listed?
18:31<Zviper>tried
18:32<Zviper>one
18:32<Pitxyoki>uh
18:32<Pitxyoki>And is that the right one?
18:32<Zviper>us-105-key keyboard (with windows keys)
18:32<Zviper>keyboard model is generic keyboard
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18:33<Pitxyoki>I don't know.
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18:33<Zviper>it's fucked, i have to press 5 to backspace
18:33<Pitxyoki>You could have there multiple layouts and you could be inadvertedly switching between them.
18:34<Zviper>i only see one.
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18:34<Zviper>tried rebooting, no help
18:35<Pitxyoki>Try to dpkg-reconfigure console-data
18:35<locklace>Zviper: if you have a half-upgraded system due to errors, a lot of other things are probably wrong too
18:35<Pitxyoki>Or, even better: dpkg-reconfigure -fgnome console-data
18:35<Pitxyoki>:>
18:35<Zviper>i don't think it was half wrong
18:36<Zviper>maybe like 3/4 upgraded
18:36<Zviper>hahaha
18:36<locklace>Zviper: you should get out of X and sort out the rest of the upgrade, get yourself 100% in sync
18:37<Zviper>how would i start off?
18:37<locklace>Zviper: make sure your apt and dpkg tools are synced first, then aptitude full-upgrade
18:37<Zviper>pretty sure dpkg fucked up somewhere
18:37<locklace>and make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list is correct
18:37<abrotman>did you read the release notes first ?
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18:38<Zviper>nah all i did was edit my source list
18:38<Zviper>and then the upgrade
18:38<abrotman>so .. that's wrong
18:39<Zviper>it's what dpkg told me to do
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18:39<locklace>Zviper: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html
18:39<Zviper>is it the same for x64?
18:40<Zviper>cause im not on i386
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18:41<abrotman>Zviper: that is *not* what dpkg told you to do
18:41<abrotman>!etch->lenny
18:41<abrotman>bah
18:41<abrotman>dpkg: etch->lenny
18:41*abrotman gives up
18:41<abrotman>dpkg: etch->lenny
18:41<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
18:41<abrotman>yay!
18:42<Zviper>oo i didn't do safe-upgrade
18:42<abrotman>you didn't aptitude install aptitude either ?
18:42<Zviper>i think i already did that
18:42<Zviper>way before
18:42<abrotman>you can't do it way before .. you have to do it after you change your sources
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18:43<locklace>Zviper: change "i386" to "amd64" in that link if you like
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18:45<Zviper>upgrading was a bad idea on my part imo
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18:46<locklace>upgrading incorrectly, at least
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18:53<deniz>does having a home partition instead of a home directory help make it easier to restore my OS if something goes wrong? like can i reinstall the OS without reinstalling a home partition and using the one of a previous install? if so, can i do this as of lenny?
18:54<locklace>deniz: it has some advantages like that, yes
18:54<abrotman>deniz: yes, if you tell the installer not to format it
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18:54<locklace>deniz: there's nothing lenny-specific about it, unix has always let you partition things however you want
18:54<deniz>abrotman, not to format what? the home partition it is suppose to create?
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18:55<deniz>locklace, k, thx it's nice to know now i can feel even more secure than before with my school laptop :D
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18:55<abrotman>deniz: right .. if you want to keep the data in /home/, you wouldn't want ot format it
18:55<locklace>deniz: if you already have a home partition, all you have to do when upgrading the OS is not overwrite it
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18:55<deniz>abrotman, and it would automatically take the old home partition and use it or do i have to somehow tell it to do that using the installer?
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18:56<deniz>locklace, o so i just do nutn to home and partition the other?
18:56<abrotman>you likely have ot tell it
18:56<deniz>abrotman, locklace, so like i tell it to make a seperate home partition but right b4 it formats it, i have to tell it not to?
18:56<abrotman>in the partitioner
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18:57<locklace>deniz: it depends on exactly how you're doing the install/upgrade, but if you're using a typical installer image, you will want to select the options that let you lay out your partitions and filesystems manually, and then make filesystems on the other partitions but not the home partition, and then declare the home partition for mounting under the mountpoint name "/home"
18:58<locklace>deniz: or alternatively just be sure you don't repartition or mkfs the /home partition anywhere in the installer, and then arrange to mount that partition under /home once you're up and running with the new os
18:59<deniz>locklace, so if i just dont use a home partition or directory at all, then i cant write long-term files onto my desktop, etc?
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19:00<bja> is there a pdf editor?
19:00<locklace>deniz: there will be a /home directory, what we're discussing is how you can mount a specific pre-existing partition as /home when doing an os upgrade
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19:01<bja>!tell bja about pdf
19:01<abrotman>!tell bja about selftell
19:02<abrotman>bja: to edit what? a form pdf or the actual pdf ?
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19:03<bja>abrotman: It seems its an actual pdf. Sorry about the tell statement, I forgot about /msg
19:03<themill>!pdf edit
19:04<themill>dpkg, edit pdf
19:04<dpkg>pdftk is a nifty package which you can use to edit, merge, split, and otherwise munge pdf files. Ask me about <fill pdf forms> to learn how to fill out a pdf form. The pdfedit package provides a powerful but quirky PDF editor.
19:04<themill>dpkg, stupid bot
19:04<dpkg>no, stupid themill
19:04<abrotman>that's not really what he means .. he wants to edit the full pdf
19:05*themill encourages abrotman to read the entire factoid.
19:05<bja>Never mind, it will do
19:05<abrotman>themill: i did .. that thing isn't very good ..
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19:05<themill>it's as good as anything else... (and it's not that bad if you only have a little to do)
19:05<abrotman>as anything else? hardly
19:06<themill>such as...
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19:06<abrotman>the adobe tool to create them ?
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19:06<themill>eww... that's almost as bad as pdfedit.
19:07<abrotman>8/9 are way better than 6/7
19:07<themill>wouldn't be hard...
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19:08<bja>If the user who made the document had a backup of its work, I wouldn't be bothering you guys. But anyway thank you
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19:09<themill>hehe
19:09<abrotman>bja: oh .. that sucks
19:09<dondelelcaro>bja: you can also do simple editing jobs in inkscape
19:09<dondelelcaro>bja: kind of depends what you're trying to do
19:10<dondelelcaro>(and also what created the PDF)
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19:11<h2-gw>oh, quick question: xfce 4.6 session handler appears to be broken when it comes to kde apps in the sessions, ie, saving desktop states for logout
19:11<xxxxxxxx>hi
19:11<h2-gw>does anyone know if this issue is in process of being fixed?
19:11<h2-gw>I find kde 4 totally unusable for my workflow
19:11<abrotman>kind of sad that editing a PDF is a fairly difficult thing to do, but creating them seems to be cake
19:12<h2-gw>the broken dual monitor maximize bug is the stake in its heart, makes it technically a non starter as option, kde 4.2.2 that is
19:12<xxxxxxxx>#debian-es
19:12<bja>I believe it need to erase a page or two, I hope something really easy or else I'll have the user scrub all the baths jejejej
19:12<locklace>pdf is a worm format
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19:12<xxxxxxxx>what is?
19:12<abrotman>xxxxxxxx: /join #debian-es
19:12<xxxxxxxx>ok
19:12<abrotman>bja: that's easier than actually editing the content
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19:12<xxxxxxxx>thanks
19:12<bja>locklace: meaning?
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19:13<abrotman>bja: write once, read many
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19:18<themill>bja: if you just need to delete a couple of pages, then pdftk will do that very nicely for you
19:18<ffsa>buffer overrun is the same kind of attack with buffer overflow ?
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19:49<bja>themill: I need to erase half a page here another half there, insert a line here scrap af page there, Nothing great, pdfedit will tell me its no posible, and pdftk is a little harder to operate.
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19:49<bja>pdf2ps seems to be the one doing the job also.
19:49<tkl>probably here someone can help, i get crazy bringing the java plugin with iceweasel on a fresh lenny install to run. whatever i found or tried, it failed. anyone got a good target where to go for the hints i need?
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19:50<bja>I'll try to extract the text to a file, the images to the different files they were and they'll have to recompose the whole thing up.
19:50<bja>BTW it was done on a macOSX no clue on what software.
19:51<themill>tkl: /msg dpkg install java
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19:53<bja>Anyone ps editor?
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20:09<hazard2>Anyone know of any backup solutions (or just scripts like faubackup or the like) that can deal with bind-mounts (and not end up with all the files under the binds replicated all over the place?)
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20:52<scientes>how do i install a new system to have the same packages as another system, but on a differnt arch?
20:52<scientes>ie, keep automatically installed flags, etc
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20:55<kingsley>scientes: I don't know, but perhaps you could save a list of the installed packages with $ dpkg -l > /tmp/packages
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20:55<kingsley>scientes: The on the other system/architecture, do something like aptitude install $(cat /tmp/packages)
20:56<bja> scientes: on the document where you are supposed to upgrade from one distro to the next there is a command that gives yuou the list of package installed on your system
20:56<bja>and i believe it also tell you how to install them precisely
20:56<bja>or at least it was there from sarge to etch :)
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20:58<scientes>cant find it in lenny notes
20:58<scientes>im getting a sheevaplug
20:59<amphi>scientes: dpkg --get-selections & --set-selections?
21:00<scientes>yeah that looked decent, but seems to have alot less data than dpkg -l
21:00<amphi>and then apt-get dselect-upgrade if I recall correctly
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21:01<bja>Can anyone please tell me the best way to strangle a lazy user for not making his backups
21:01<amphi>piano wire
21:02<abrotman>bja: keyboard cable .. kind of poetic justice ?
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21:02<bja>pain must be felt, so iĺl first skin the keyboard cable whaaaajaaa
21:05*bja takes the first keyboard he finds, rips the cable and goes looking for "THE USER"
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21:06<abrotman>that was my boss .. crazy guy
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21:32<adama>after upgrading to lenny (kernel 2.6.18 to 2.6.26) the system stops booting at "Begin: waiting for root filesystem ..."
21:33<adama>apparently root file system never catches up :(
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21:34<adama>now it's in initramfs prompt
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21:35<abrotman>!waiting for root
21:35<abrotman>grr
21:35<adama>ok after waiting it said ALERT! /dev/hdc1 does not exist.... and ls /dev/hd* only shows a and b
21:35<abrotman>!waiting for root filesystem
21:35<dpkg>If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the GRUB menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> <uuid>
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21:36<adama>cool, let me try that
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21:36<adama>there are no /dev/sd* though
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21:38<adama>this usb keyboard doesn't work at the grub screen
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21:47<adama>I mounted hda1 and edited menu.lst from the initrd prompt, it didn't work. I switched hdc1 to hda1. I'm going to try sdc1.
21:48<adama>nope. waiting
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21:55<adama>awriiiiiiight it's working
21:56<adama>had to chroot and run grub setup
21:56<abrotman>fun?
21:57<adama>you know it... now doing fsck and getting a lot of Fix<y>?
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22:02<deniz>how long does it usually take from a package from sid to go into testing? what can someone base a hypothesis from to guess around when a package should migrate?
22:02<gravity>That totally depends on the package
22:03<gravity>deniz: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl is useful to figure such things out on a per-package basis
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22:04<deniz>gravity, omg thanks alot that site is amazing :D
22:06<gravity>No problem
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22:35<adama>how do I force a package to be kept back, never to be upgraded (until I say so)
22:36<abrotman>!hold
22:36<dpkg>hold is probably a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>.
22:37<abrotman>or you can use the preferences file if you can figure out the syntax
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22:40<adama>thanks
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22:44<killermaster>hello
22:45<killermaster>echo
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22:47<whale>god.
22:47<whale>bloody wanda the fish wont get back in her tank.
22:47<whale>i hate my life.
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22:52<Golfgeo>Hi all, got a small question: I install blackblox next to my kde install and am wondering in what file I change my preference from kde to blackbox?
22:53<killermaster>WOW
22:56<abrotman>Golfgeo: what are you using to login to X?
22:56<abrotman>or start X
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23:01<Golfgeo>abrotman: just startx
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23:01<Golfgeo>xorg btw
23:03<abrotman>!.xinitrc
23:03<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1)
23:03*gravity would be very surprised if it weren't xorg
23:04<abrotman>or something like the package choosewm
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23:05<Golfgeo>abrotman: Tryed that file, but havn't got it... I know it should be just a change in a parameter in some config file...
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23:05<Golfgeo>(have done it like 4 years ago)
23:05<abrotman>that is the file
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23:11<Golfgeo>abrotman: Thanks mate!
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23:12<Golfgeo>although he is not here, it had to be proclaimed!
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23:25<chealer>!abrotman++
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