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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-05-10

---Logopened Sun May 10 00:00:30 2009
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00:03<R_YoYo_R>enouf, found the bug report
00:03<R_YoYo_R>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461933
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00:03<R_YoYo_R>i will just have it shutdown as opposed to suspend. the boot time is fast enough
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00:19<enouf>nice
00:20<enouf>magyar_: alsaconf is gone in testing and sid
00:20<R_YoYo_R>i used debian as my server and found myself using it so much i threw it on my laptop
00:21<enouf>no idea what replaces it, but nothing as far as i;m told - it's like the X autoconfig
00:21<enouf>!alsaconf
00:21<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
00:22<enouf>that ISA shit is such bullshit ..!
00:22<R_YoYo_R>no kidding
00:23<enouf>if that were even remotely true; it never would'
00:23<enouf>ve been able to config things within a 32bit VFS env
00:24<enouf>!oss4
00:24<enouf>!oss
00:24<dpkg>oss is, like, an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very <non-free> and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the <Halloween> document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels (see <ALSA> for 2.6 info). OldSchoolSound
00:24<enouf>fuck alsa
00:24<enouf>stupid asshats
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00:26<enouf>how do the stupid people ever make it into the 'decision' making field ... oh wait, i know; its BIG OIL dumbass mutant offspring
00:27<enouf>how's 37Billion in PROFITS in ONE QUARTER to motivate your sheeple dumbasses
00:29<enouf>with X .. i can "kind of" understand.. with all the "proprietary" bullshit in the two most popular Corps of Video
00:29<enouf>PLUS
00:29<enouf>X is slow as shit !
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00:30<enouf>since it needs to go through sockets and xlib .... ugh
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00:44<slipshot>hay!
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01:16<momerath>How can I get firefox to open irc links properly with xchat?
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01:50<Beket>Hey all. Is it possible to install grub without having stage1 files in the disk?
01:50<Beket>I'd like grub to load and then me manually edit boot entries (during startup) and pass control to some other bootloader with chain loading.
01:50<Beket>I found a grub-disk package, but not sure how to use it.
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02:56<drakeman>hey people! how r u everyone.
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03:13<ootput>fine
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03:19<Supaplex>cyclades-serial-client ftw!
03:19*Supaplex installs it now
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03:57<Guest1520>hello
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03:58<Supaplex>hi
03:59<Guest1520>Where are you from?
04:00<hachi>I've edited /etc/console-tools/config to set both the BLANK_TIME and POWERDOWN_TIME to be 0, to try and make my screen always stay on.... but even after rebooting it still sleeps after a couple minutes
04:00<hachi>anyone know what is actually doing this?
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04:01<pawel>how to unmount /media/disk1 which is /dev/sda4 ?
04:02<aardvarX>should be unmount /media/disk1
04:02<wnd>umount, not unmount
04:02<aardvarX>or umount /media/disk1
04:03<pawel>thanks
04:07<hachi>okay, how do you find documentation on screen blanking in linux, when I'm not talking about X
04:07<hachi>everything I find is how to fix screen blanking under X
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04:08<cahoot>setterm
04:08<hachi>you told me that last night
04:08<aardvarX>you might look at your own bios maybe, have you tried turning off drm
04:08<hachi>and then you said console-tools
04:08<hachi>but I edited the config in console tools and rebooted
04:11<duraperidol>it's quiet
04:12<pawel>I have file with many lines. How to execute a program with each line with this line as a parameter?
04:12<hachi>if there are no spaces in the lines
04:12<hachi>you could do
04:12<hachi>for i in `cat file.txt`; do something $i; done
04:14<valdyn>while read i; do something "$i"; done < file.txt
04:14<valdyn>and you probably really want to use those double apostrophes
04:15<Supaplex>they grow hair on your chest. leaving them out might lead to sudden ripping of chest hair out.
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04:25<pawel>and how to check if some text is in file?
04:26<valdyn>pawel: man grep
04:29<jddurand>hachi: previously one had to comment SCREEN_FONT in /etc/console-tools/config - now, please check, one can comment ACTIVE_CONSOLES in /etc/default/console-setup
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04:30<hachi>:\
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04:31<HALF>Ïðèâåò âñåì!
04:31<hachi>jddurand: there is no /etc/default/console-setup file, nor one referenced in /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh
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04:33<jddurand>hachi: if you are still using console-tools, then try to comment all lines starting with SCREEN_FONT in /etc/console-tools/config.
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04:33<hachi>sure, but... I was also checking the second half of what you said
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04:34<hachi>I don't have any SCREEN_FONT lines set
04:34<jddurand>hachi: fine, do you have the program /bin/setupcon on your system ?
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04:35<hachi>no
04:35<hachi>but I see no debian package that provides that file
04:36<hachi>oh, no
04:36<hachi>package search was lieing
04:36<Supaplex>!lie
04:36<dpkg>supaplex, i am incapable of lying, or knoppix is better than debian
04:36*Supaplex hides
04:36<Supaplex>say it ain't so!
04:36<pawel>why "if [[ $(cat file.txt | grep text -c) != 0 ]]; then" is not working?
04:37<hachi>jddurand: should I be using console-setup instaed of console-tools?
04:37<Supaplex>pawel: are you comparing exit code? if ! grep -qc text file.txt ; then ...
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04:39<xing>can I use the xserver-xorg-video-i810 for intel 845 video card instead of xserver-xorg-video-intel?
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04:39<Supaplex>pawel: as you've written it, you expect the comparison of a literal 0 to equal the output grep might produce. that'll never pass, as a non match would be empty, and a match would be something other than just 0.
04:39<jddurand>I am on unstable up-to-date, console-setup is a dependency of xserver-xorg - recent updates installed this package and I got again the console flickering because of it
04:39<patrikf>xing: why would you want to do that?
04:39<patrikf>iirc, i810 is outdated
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04:40<quitte>hi. can i preseed update-alternatives in the installer?
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04:40<mistral_>server 192.168.0.11 9999 mistral:mistral
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04:41<xing>patrikf:the intel driver can not give the 1280x1024 rate for my LCD.but i810 can
04:41<jddurand>hachi: if you have console-setup install, please comment the lines I told you - if you have (only or not) console-tools, then in the console you'll probably if this is the guitly package by executing it
04:41<pawel>I'm not comparing exit code, 'cat file.txt | grep text -c' should return number of times 'text' occurs in file.txt, and I want to check if 'text' is in file
04:42<jddurand>hachi: e.g. [root] % sh -v /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh restart
04:42<hachi>first off
04:42<hachi>the lines you said are already commented out
04:42<hachi>and have been this whole time
04:42<hachi>BLANK_TIME=0 BLANK_DPMS=off
04:43<hachi>and
04:43<hachi>POWERDOWN_TIME=0
04:43<hachi>are all I have set
04:43<hachi>second... guilty package by executing it?
04:43<locklace>pawel: you win today's "useless use of cat" award
04:43<pawel>:)
04:43<jddurand>go to the console and try executing sh -v /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh restart - just to see
04:43<hachi>I've rebooted many times
04:44<hachi>the init script is run at boot
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04:44<hachi>not that I need to reboot more than once, but... I've already rebooted
04:44<aardvarX> have you tried turning off dpms in the bios?
04:44<hachi>and yes, I've rerun the script
04:44<hachi>aardvarX: it's not on
04:45<hachi>if I execute setterm -blank 0
04:45<jddurand>hachi: nothing prevent to run this script again and again interactively - when I say console I mean Alt-F1, and ou return to X with Alt-F7 - I do not mean a root login in a X console
04:45<hachi>it stops blanking the screen
04:45<hachi>I'm just trying to get it to do this by default
04:45<hachi>I don't want to have to run that anytime I reboot
04:45<hachi>X isn't even running
04:45<hachi>X isn't even installed
04:46<hachi>why do you assume I have X?
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04:49<pawel>lochlace: 'grep text file.txt -c' - is it better?
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04:49<Panarchy>Hi
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04:50<Panarchy>Any idea what locales are?
04:50<Panarchy>QUOTE:
04:50<Panarchy>This package includes documentation, examples, and locale files for the Debian X-Chat packages that are common for all architectures.
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04:50<pawel>Why "if [[ $(grep text file.txt -c) != 0 ]]; then" is not working? 'grep text file.txt -c' should return number of times 'text' occurs in file.txt, and I want to do something if 'text' is in file.
04:50<patrikf>Panarchy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locale
04:50<jddurand>hachi: then insert that in /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh - if you look to that script you will see many possible workaround... a brutal one being to rename /usr/bin/consolechars to e.g. /usr/bin/consolechars.no
04:51<KaiSVK>hi all, I have strange behaving new network-manager after yeasterday update in squeeze, it is still saying that I am disconnected.
04:52<HALF>Ãäå ìîæíî ñêà÷àòü ïðîãðàììû?
04:52<xing>how to solve the Device Communication Error in configuration of HP printer using hplip?
04:52<Panarchy>patrikf: Thanks, I'll take a look
04:54<Panarchy>ah, I see. Just as I though
04:54<Panarchy>thanks
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04:54<locklace>pawel: != doesn't do what you think it does
04:55<pawel>than what is the operator for 'IS NOT'
04:55<pawel>?
04:55<patrikf>pawel: the code you give works for me
04:56<patrikf>pawel: although "if grep -q text file.txt" would be simpler
04:57<HALF>:-/Àó!
04:57<Supaplex>!uuog pawel
04:57*dpkg gives pawel the Useless Use of Grep Award
04:57<Supaplex>pawel: ahh, I was mistaken. btw, run "help test" from (assuming bash), or man [.
04:57<xing>patrikf :is it possible to replace the intel driver with the i810?
04:57<jddurand>pawel: != is for strings, so you want != or == "" depending on your need, patrickf is rhight anyway: grep -q ... 2>/dev/null is the way to go if you do not mind about the output
04:57<Supaplex>pawel: if != isn't it, it might be "ne"
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04:58<patrikf>jddurand: you forget that he's using grep -c
04:58<pawel>it does not matter
04:59<pawel>I just wanted to check if some text is in file.
04:59<jddurand>patrickf: yes, apologizes
04:59<Supaplex>if grep -q text file.txt would be true if there are matches. no need to complicate it further. :)
05:01<Supaplex>and it'll complete faster, because it'll exit as soon as it finds a match. (more efficient)
05:01<pawel>thanks
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05:07<quitte>could someone enlighten me about the /etc/X11/X file? dpkg -S and the alternatives system don't know it.
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05:14<pier>hi all
05:15<locklace>quitte: seems pretty pointless to me
05:15<pier>i have a question
05:15<locklace>!tell pier about ask
05:15<pier>at work we would like to install nagios plus some sort of snmp checks
05:15<pier>i was thinking about cacti...but also munin is interesting
05:16<pier>what would you suggest?
05:16<locklace>pier: you'll have better luck with that question on a networking channel
05:16<quitte>locklace: it is needed by gdm
05:17<pier>is there on debian irc a networking channel?
05:17<locklace>quitte: that's great
05:17<locklace>pier: try #cisco on freenode
05:18<locklace>or ##networking there iirc
05:18<quitte>yes. except that the link for some reason isn't created for the live system im building with live-helper. same problem with the gconftool. and i can't figure out why.
05:18<pier>ok..i'll try...thanks
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05:19<quitte>of course i could just create those links. but as the problem already appeared in two places i'm sure it'll appear again
05:20<patrikf>quitte: that's weird. I successfully built a live system with lh running gdm, and that worked out-of-the-box
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05:20<quitte>patrikf: yes. thats because of a couple of scripts in the live-initramfs. i want to get rid of those.
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06:13<Jack>hi :)
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06:15<Jack>is there someone who wants to help me? I'd like to install Debian and to remove finaly vista ^^
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06:16<quitte>Jack: you will find help here once you have an actual problem
06:17<Jack>hmm
06:17<Jack>so I need to try
06:17<Jack>btw. I saw Debian in action and I was quite surprised :)
06:17<SlimeyPete>Generally just booting the CD and following the instructions is all you need to do
06:17<quitte>Jack: you could start by reading the installation manual
06:18<SlimeyPete>though bear in mind that if you have a modern HD audio card you may run into trouble on Linux (but then again, you may not)
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06:19<quitte>nah. the hdaudio is well supported and thanks to it being necessary for the vista logo there is no new board that hasn't that kind of audio.
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06:19<quitte>SlimeyPete: are you talking about etch?
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06:19<SlimeyPete>probably
06:19<SlimeyPete>I know I've had problems under lots of different Linuxes, unfortunately
06:20<SlimeyPete>but then I did have a Realtek chipset which wouldn't even work properly under Windows (it caused freezes during games - I had to add in an Audigy)
06:21<locklace>!tell Jack about grounding
06:21<cahoot>hda-intel refers to what 100 different varints?
06:21<quitte>i've seen quite a lot of alcxxx. they all worked out of the box with reasonably new kernels
06:21<Jack>brb :)
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06:57<goodger>can anyone assist me with my webcam? I'm running a OV518, I've got the driver loaded and /dev/video0 exists, is owned by me, and has permissions 666, but gstreamer-properties says it cannot open /dev/video0
06:58<cahoot>can cheese manage it?
06:58<goodger>it cannot
06:58<goodger>...because gstreamer cannot open /dev/video0, I suspect
06:59<goodger>given that cheese runs off gstreamer
06:59<jddurand>goodger: what say v4l-info /dev/video0
06:59<goodger>eh, command not found
06:59<goodger>one moment
07:00<goodger>open /dev/video0: Function not implemented
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07:03<goodger>ls -l /dev/video0 gives the following:
07:03<goodger>crw-rw-rw- 1 ben ben 81, 0 2009-05-10 11:46 /dev/video0
07:03<jddurand>goodger: look at the end of https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/ov511-webcam-and-v4l-42975/
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07:04<goodger>ah, compression... thanks. will look into it --- have to go now
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07:10<jddurand>With kde4 in place now there is .local/share/akonadi/db_data directory that takes more than 100MB - Same for others and is this necessary ?
07:11<marycarmen>is there anybody how could help an unexperienced linux user?
07:11<dr|z3d>!tell marycarmen about ask
07:11<marycarmen>the sounds just stopped working
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07:12<marycarmen>i am using debian kde and the sound on the kmix task bar appears muted
07:12<cahoot>marycarmen: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
07:12<marycarmen>and it doesn't allow me to uncheck it
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07:14<cahoot> marycarmen: run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* in a terminal - anything returned?
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07:15<marycarmen>sorry, i am a very beginner using linux and non technical user
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07:16<cahoot>marycarmen: what I wrote above too difiicult to understand?
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07:20<bremner>hmm. marycarmen gone? I was going to mention a typical problem with "mute buttons
07:20<bremner>" on laptops, especially laptops
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07:32<melkart>on a typical system, are there any other directories than /home which may easily contain private data, even when not deliberately stored there?
07:33<melkart>(is there a good reason to encrypt not only /home but the rest, too?)
07:35<locklace>melkart: depends what you mean by "private"; there is /etc and /var
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07:39<melkart>i dont quite see what is in /tmp.... can every program store data there?
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07:41<locklace>yes; it's a vmfs
07:41<dr|z3d>melkart: /tmp is your temporary storage.
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08:08<nuscire>Hi, folks! Is it possible to use UTF-8 fonts in TEXT console (or framebuffer of couse)? I google it a lot, with no clear result. Someone, please!
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08:27<adri>hi all
08:27<adri>can i ask 1 question
08:27<adri>?
08:28<adri>http://rafb.net/p/Y38o7k40.html
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08:28<adri>i cant understand what is problem
08:28<locklace>i gave up helping you on this yesterday since you didn't answer my questions
08:28<violina>hi locklace :)
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08:29<adri>i see one question
08:29<adri>not twice
08:30<adri>Cannot eject volume
08:30<violina>i have some problems with keys for debian lenny 5.0.1 i386 KDE 3.5.10. here are the messages from konsole: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/2oyyfz
08:30<adri>and show me this error
08:30<locklace>adri: ok, one more try. what kind (type and model) of drive is this? what kind of controller? anything else on the controller? what kernel version is this?
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08:31<adri>i now kernel version but ...
08:31<adri>model
08:32<adri>i`m with new motherboard
08:32<adri>and this error is new for me
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08:33<locklace>violina: maybe install/update the package "debian-archive-keyring" and try again
08:34<adri>smart is enable
08:34<violina>i tried that and didn't worked. i got the same message again
08:34<adri>in bios
08:35<locklace>adri: no one can help you if you can't even answer simple questions about your system
08:35<violina>i don;t understand why it says Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) when i'm using Lenny
08:36<adri>controlers models type sorry i`m not ainshtain
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08:38<locklace>violina: was just going to say that that looked strange
08:38<locklace>adri: maybe look for a channel for your native language
08:39<violina>maybe I can clear all keys and install them again or something
08:39<adri>ok thanks
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08:39<violina>or maybe I have to change the url from norway to some other server
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08:40<locklace>violina: do you get a key error when you update debian-archive-keyring, or does the update work but just not change anything?
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08:42<violina>this is what I got when I tried update keyring: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/qeP8Hd
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08:42<locklace>err...
08:43<locklace>that's interesting
08:43<violina>:)
08:43<locklace>are you running an ordinary lenny install?
08:43<violina>yes it's 5.0.1
08:43<violina>i386
08:43<locklace>fresh install or upgraded from some other version?
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08:45<violina>it was fresh. i install this from DVD1 and got some apps from internet. later I downloaded the rest of DVDs and added them in sources.list
08:46<violina>most of the time I used norway and sweden servers. i think i used only that two. if that really matters at all :)
08:46<locklace>what happens if you remove the dvd entries from your sources.list and try the "apt-key update" / "aptitude update" again?
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08:47<violina>can i remove them manualy? and if yes, can I paste them back manualy later on?
08:47<locklace>just comment them out
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08:47<violina>a OK :)
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08:51<violina>ok i got a different message now :) : http://www.mibbit.com/pb/LHXRV6
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08:53<xing>how to solve the hplip configuration problem?
08:54<locklace>violina: can you also comment out the virtualbox lines
08:55<ArSeN>erm... is every entry within my crontab only executed once per day if you choose * * * for the days, even if I re-edit the time-setting?
08:55<violina>sure. i'll try.
08:55<locklace>ArSeN: what
08:56<ArSeN>Look, I created an entry in the crontab for 2 o'clock, it was executed well, now I changed the time of execution and it doesn't get executed anymor..
08:56<ArSeN>I'm wondering why
08:56<violina>no error messages now
08:56<jMCg>I wonder how well a debian kernel will build -- or even patch with this patchset: http://code.google.com/p/gentoo-xen-kernel/downloads/list
08:56<locklace>violina: so your "aptitude update" succeeded?
08:57<xing>can anyone help me to solve the printer problem?
08:57<locklace>jMCg: you can build your own kernel straight from the kernel.org sources with whatever patches you want.
08:58<locklace>ArSeN: because you messed something up?
08:58<locklace>xing: could you be more vague?
08:58<dantti>hi, i'm a bit lost about a s2disk problem i'd like to help find the problem but i don't know if i should fill a bug report. the suspend 2 disk happens but does not turn off my pc, and it returns to the saved state without problens, seems it's not calling the proper acpi methods..
08:58<ArSeN>locklace: I didn't change anything but the crontab...
08:58<violina>yes. strange. don't understand why I have problems with cdroms in the list when I added them with apt-cdrom add
08:58<ArSeN>locklace: plus... do I have to respect something working with the root crontab?
08:58<ArSeN>(special)
08:59<locklace>violina: suggest doing an aptitude safe-upgrade/full-upgrade to get yourself in sync, then maybe try with the dvd entries again
09:00<violina>safe or full upgrade?
09:00<jMCg>locklace: yeah, but I *like* the Debian Kernel's patchset... I just want it to include dom0 support.
09:00<locklace>ArSeN: why don't you paste your crontab and the output of "grep -i cron /var/log/syslog"
09:01<ArSeN>sec
09:01<locklace>ArSeN: and the info about which file(s) you're changing and any other cron-related commands or files you're messing with
09:01<locklace>violina: do safe-upgrade first, then "aptitude -s full-upgrade" to simulate a full upgrade and make sure it looks sane; if it does, do it again without the -s
09:02<locklace>jMCg: well, try the patch; the patch utility will tell you clearly if there are any conflicts
09:02<violina>ok i'm already running safe-upgrade
09:04<violina>what will happen with kernel after upgrade? is it included? i'll get a new version of kernel?
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09:05<locklace>violina: depends if there's a newer one than yours or not. if there is, it will add it for you and make it the default at boot, but leave your old one there too
09:06<violina>my kernel is 2.6.26-2-686
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09:10<ArSeN>locklace: Thanks for this grep-syslog-output-thing ... I'm newbie to linux but this seems to helped me solving the issue :)
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09:13<stuckey>Hello
09:15<stuckey>I installed fetchmail, I edited the .fetchmail.rc to enter my information. I ran "fetchmail" at the terminal. It asked for a password, I gave it one. It then said something like "reading mail ... 1 of 3..." and then after each line "flushed".
09:15<stuckey>Now the mail isn't on my webmail server anymore... and I can't find it.
09:15<stuckey>Where have my e-mails gone?
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09:16<jMCg>stuckey: I suppose fetchmail fetched them from your POP3 account and stored them locally.
09:16<stuckey>jMCg: Perhaps, but where?
09:16<jMCg>Probably somewhere under ~/mail or ~/Mail or similar.
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09:17<stuckey>jMCg: checked those, nothing there
09:17<stuckey>jMCg: nothing under /var/spool/mail, or /var/mail
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09:19<jMCg>stuckey: what do you get when you type: mail
09:19<stuckey>/var/mail/stuckey: is a directory
09:19<stuckey>jMCg: nothing in there though
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09:20<stuckey>I know it isn't the case that this program just deletes mail...
09:20<jMCg>I am about to be out of ideas.
09:20<stuckey>I also know it couldn't possibly be the case that this program doesn't have a default place of saving mail.
09:21<stuckey>That would be absolutely rediculious.
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09:21<stuckey>jMCg: You mean it normally saves stuff in those folders?
09:21<montel>hey can you guys help me with a deb?
09:22<cahoot>!ask
09:22<jMCg>ask
09:22<jMCg>Hmm.. dpkg<tab>.. bot dead.
09:23<montel>ok, so i made a .deb but i want it to install in the users home directory, how do i change it?
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09:23<jMCg>stuckey: if reading the man page fails (and it failed for me), I would strace it.
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09:23<stuckey>jMCg: how do I strace ?
09:24<cahoot>stuckey: no clue in /var/log/mail?
09:24<stuckey>cahoot: no such file or directory
09:24<jMCg>montel: that doesn't make sense. The reason to make a .deb is to install it globally, to have it tracked in the package store -- the store to which you need root permission to write/install to -- so installing a .deb in a user directory is pretty far beside the point.
09:24<jMCg>Beside several points.
09:24<stuckey>wait... need to be root for that..
09:24<stuckey>mail.err mail.info mail.log mail.warn
09:24<stuckey>I've those in /var/log/mail...
09:24<jMCg>stuckey: strace -ff -vf fetchmail
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09:25<montel>jMCg: ok, like i have this program, but when it does updates, it writes back to the installation directory.
09:25<montel>jMCg, so i want like the launcher in /usr/bin but i want all the rest in the user home directory in a hidden file
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09:26<stuckey>cahoot: but all are empty files
09:26<jMCg>montel: what program, what kind of updates does it do?
09:26<montel>jMCg, you know vuze/azeurus?
09:26<montel>i made it to a deb.
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09:27<jMCg>What's wrong with rtorrent, I wonder....
09:27<montel>jMCg, well it already was a deb in the respos, but that was outdates
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09:28<montel>hmm, i guess i should look at that package.
09:28<jMCg>If you want to be more up-to-date, you can always run unstable or even sid.
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09:29<bremner>jMCg: Unstable=sid
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09:29<jMCg>Vuze is pretty big and for a pretty big package, it's also pretty ugly... and bloated. It tries to do too many things and I'm not quite sure it even succeeds with it's core responsibility.
09:29<themill>dpkg, wb
09:29<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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09:30<jMCg>bremner: thanks for the correction.
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09:31<staspika>Does anybody know what happened to #debian-russia?
09:31<staspika>Does anybody know what happened to #debian-russian?
09:32<cahoot>on freenode?
09:32<ml|>!ru
09:32<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
09:32<themill>There are 58 users in #debian-russian on freenode...
09:33<montel>jMCg, i still dont get it
09:33<staspika>ok tnx
09:33<jMCg>How I love the subtle differences between slavian languages... zahod means toilet in croatian...
09:34<cahoot>a pleasing object?
09:34<cahoot>or accomodating?
09:35<staspika>Yeah, especially I love differences between Czech and Russian, they are so sweet :)
09:36<montel>crap i give up
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09:43<stuckey>Does anyone here know how to use FETCHMAIL?
09:43<stuckey>!fetchmail
09:43<dpkg>rumour has it, fetchmail is ESR's pet POP/IMAP client. It fetches mail from the server then hands it over to the local mda. or a tool that can use ESMTP ETRN extension or most frequently broken by not having a working MTA on the local machine. or most frequently fixed by reading the fetchmail manpage. http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/specificator
09:43<stuckey>I ran fetchmail and it deleted my emails from the imap server... but the e-mails are no where to be found on my computer.
09:43<stuckey>I really need my e-mails... would someone please offer me some help.
09:43<jMCg>Which part of the *power* *off* does my computer not get, when the the LEDs on the keyboard are still glowing...
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09:44<stuckey>Do I need to have sendmail installed?
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09:45<jMCg>HELL NO!
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09:45<jMCg>*Nobody* needs *sendmail* installed.
09:45<jMCg>There are myrids of saner, more secure and less shittier alternatives.
09:46<violina>i did upgrade and first thing i notice is some double options in /boot/grub/menu.lst looks like this now: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/MO5gln
09:46<ootput>jMCg: unless it's sendmail the wrapper
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09:46<stuckey>No one?
09:47<locklace>violina: that's fine. you can get rid of some of the kernels if you don't want them
09:47<jMCg>First thing I do on a freshly installed Unix is replace sendmail with postfix.
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09:48<locklace>stuckey: it uses your local mda for delivery, so check your mda spools and logs (exim by default). if all else fails, find/make a file with a "modified" timestamp of just before you ran fetchmail, then "find / -type f -newer timestamp_file"
09:48<jMCg>stuckey: did you have an MTA installed on the system?
09:48<stuckey>jMCg: I don't know... I only installed fetchmail.
09:48<locklace>jMCg: yeah, first thing one has to do on debian is "aptitude install postfix exim4_" ;)
09:48<stuckey>locklace: where do I find mda spools and logs?
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09:49<ootput>technically, first thing to do would be to reboot and/or login
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09:49<locklace>!lart ootput
09:49*dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples ootput's genitalia to the ground
09:49<jMCg>stuckey: fetchmail should depend/recommand an MDA/MTA/etc..
09:50<ml|>ouch
09:51<themill>stuckey: you'll need to tell us exactly how you configured fetchmail first.
09:51<stuckey>themill: Okay, here's my .fetchmailrc http://paste.debian.net/35757
09:52<stuckey>themill: that's all I changed.. then I just ran "fetchmail" in the terminal.
09:52<themill>stuckey: have you looked in /var/spool/mail/bronski ?
09:52<stuckey>themill: doesn't exist
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09:59<themill>stuckey: fetchmail will have tried to deliver your mail using whatever MTA you have installed. By default on debian, you'll have exim4 installed. Try having a look in your MTA's logs in /var/log to see if you can see where the mail went.
10:00<stuckey>Which log's are the MTA logs?
10:01<locklace>stuckey: you already looked at them you said, the mail* files. if nothing's there, try the find trick
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10:02<torrero>A
10:02<torrero>HOLA
10:02<stuckey>!es
10:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:02<stuckey>locklace: what trick?
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10:03<themill>stuckey: /var/log/mail.log and /var/log/exim4/
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10:04<stuckey>themill: I see, "Message is frozen", "delivery error message"
10:04<djc>exim -bp
10:05<djc>will show all messages that are 'in the queue' awaiting to be delivered
10:05<djc>each will have a message id (about a dozen characters long)
10:05<stuckey>djc: wow thanks... I see them!
10:05<stuckey>Yes, I see...so what do I do with this now?
10:05<djc>if you grep the exim log, for that message id
10:05<stuckey>djc: how do I get to the log?
10:05<djc>you will see all activity that exim has tried for that message
10:05<stuckey>oh in main log...
10:05<djc>they are in /var/log/exim4/ see what themill said
10:06<stuckey>djc: okay so now do I read the message though?
10:06<stuckey>djc: and how do I fix this thing so that it delivers message to me? instead of doing it like this?
10:06<djc>what is the recipient address?
10:06<djc>is it an address that your system knows how to deliver to?
10:06<djc>is it a valid address? if its local, does the user account exist?
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10:07<stuckey>Wait, how do I view the messages first?
10:07<djc>you can try to force a delivery for a given message, and exim should give you some feedback about how its trying to deliver, and why it cant
10:07<djc>they havent been delivered yet. you want to get them delivered
10:08<djc>take one of the message id,s and run:
10:08<themill>stuckey: in addition to what djc is asking, you probably want to look at how you've got exim configured (e.g. smarthost + no local delivery would cause this problem)
10:08<djc>(one sec its been a while I need to look this up)
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10:08<djc>ok
10:08<djc>run this:
10:08<djc>exim -v -M xxxxxxxx
10:08<djc>put the message id in place of xxxxxxx
10:09<djc>then, if that doesnt make it clear what the problem is, take the output from that and pastebin it
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10:09<stuckey>djc: http://paste.debian.net/35759/
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10:10<djc>now grep the mainlog for that message id, and pastebin
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10:11<djc>note that it wants to deliver that message to "james.stuckey@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de"
10:11<djc>if that isnt a domain that you own/control, then your system will want to deliver it elsewhere.. it also doesnt appear to be setup to do so, eg, no smarthost.. but wether thats the 'right' thing to do depends on where that message came from
10:11<djc>and where it should be going
10:11<djc>grep mainlog and paste
10:12<djc>im not intensely familiar with 'the debian way' of setting up exim. But I've been using exim since it was version 2.x, and participated in its development list. so if I can see what its doing I might be able to give you some hints
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10:13<Gluck>Hi all. I set up SANE, but it doesn't see my scanner. Actually, it sees, but only as root. As far as I understand the problem, I have to adjust access permissions to the device, but where is this device: "hpaio:/usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0"? Any idea?
10:14<djc>btw, there is a means of looking at messages that havent been delivred.. but its not a 'normal' user way of looking at mail,. you want to fix your configuration so mail is delivered correctly
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10:14<djc>!sane
10:14<dpkg>i heard sane is Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ and #sane at irc.freenode.net
10:14<djc>Gluck, is your non-root user in the 'scanners' group?
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10:14<djc>er 'scanner'
10:14<djc>no s
10:14<Gluck>djc, yes.
10:14<stuckey>djc: http://paste.debian.net/35760/
10:15<djc>have you logged out completely and back in since adding it to that group?
10:15<djc>stuckey, ok, one sec
10:15<djc>type 'groups' at a command line and see if 'scanner' shows up.. if not, then you need to fully log out and back in
10:15<stuckey>I just installed fetchmail and ran it... I thought this would retreieve my emails for me from the imap server.
10:16<djc>stuckey, ok, that is a 'bounce message'.. exim was trying to deliver some message, but was unable to and is trying to return it to sender.. but it cant do that either, so it froze the message
10:16<stuckey>djc: the email in question is one I sent to myself ( in case that helps).
10:16<djc>fetchmail isnt point and click.. you need to configure it
10:17<djc>both about how to access a pop/imap box, and also what to do with messages once it has them
10:17<stuckey>djc: okay so would you tell me how I can correct this? I just want to be able to use mutt to access my university email.
10:17<djc>and exim needs to be setup to be able to accept them, and also know what to do with them (if you setup fetchmail to send them to exim)
10:17<Gluck>dpkg, the problem, as I see it, is not in SANE. SANE's FAQ says that in that exact case I have to set up permissions. I just don't get, permissions to which device. Device /usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0 does not exist, and neither does /usb at all.
10:17<dpkg>Gluck: what are you talking about?
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10:17<djc>to be honest, it might be simpler just to tell mutt about your imap account
10:18<djc>and skip fetchmail and exim
10:18<djc>just access it as an imap account
10:18<stuckey>djc: would it?
10:18<djc>Gluck, have you completely logged out and then back in, since you added youself to the scanner group?
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10:18<djc>type 'groups' at a command line and see if 'scanner' shows up.. if not, then you need to fully log out and back in
10:18<stuckey>djc: Is there a way I can retrieve these email messages first though? The ones that it fetched and deleted off the imap?
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10:19<Gluck>djc, group exist, my user is in it, and I logged out and forth many times.
10:19<djc>you can use exim -Mvb xxxxxx to view the contents of a messages in queue
10:19<djc>Gluck, type 'groups' at a command line and see if 'scanner' shows u
10:19<djc>p
10:19<Gluck>djc, it does.
10:20<stuckey>djc: ah! Thank you!
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10:20<djc>ok, from that same command prompt, type: xsane
10:20<Gluck>djc, done
10:20<djc>does it find the scanner?
10:20<stuckey>djc: Okay, so is there a guide or something about how to set up mutt?
10:20<Gluck>djc, no, it tries to get image from my tv-tuner.
10:20<stuckey>djc: I thought I needed fetchmail to get the mail first... but this isn't necessary you say?
10:20<Gluck>djc, I tried it before.
10:21<ml|>stuckey: for imap ....
10:21<djc>stuckey, if you have an imap account, you can access it just like you would any other, with an imap client
10:21<djc>im not familiar with mutt
10:21<djc>!mutt
10:21<dpkg>rumour has it, mutt is the official mailer of Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.mutt.org/) or better than <pine> or with message threading, built-in <PGP> support, and more config options than you can count, or check out http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config, or more free than pine, or a quick beginner's guide ("My First Mutt") is available from http://mutt.blackfish.org.uk, or #mutt @ irc.freenode.net
10:21<Gluck>djc, do you have any idea where the device hpaio:/usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0 can be found?
10:21<djc>try some of that info
10:21<ComradeHaz>guys, is there a debian-gnome channel enywhere?
10:21<djc>Gluck, what does scanimage -L give?
10:21<stuckey>djc: what do you use to get your mail?
10:21<Gluck>djc, hpaio:/usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0
10:22<ml|>http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttGuide/UseIMAP
10:22<djc>Gluck, its a usb device - if you are in the scanner group you should have access to it.. if yu have a tuner, its possible xsane is just picking the first device, rather than looking for another
10:22<djc>Gluck, what does scanimage -L give?
10:22<djc>stuckey, gmail
10:22<ml|>http://wiki.mutt.org/?UserStory/GMailOverIMAP
10:22<stuckey>djc: no gmail
10:22<stuckey>djc: So what's fetchmail and sendmail for?
10:22<ml|>those should help
10:22<stuckey>djc: why do people use programs like this?
10:22<djc>for running a mailserver
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10:23<stuckey>djc: what's the benefit of that?
10:23<djc>they are *server* programs
10:23<djc>for running a mailserver
10:23<Gluck>djc, in root-mode it does see both tuner and scanner, but in user mode it sees only the tuner.
10:23<bremner>djc, stuckey: fetchmail is for clients, it makes a local copy of mail.
10:23<djc>I use gmail (not over imap, I like the gmail interface)
10:23<djc>well.. fetchmail is a client that then feeds mail to a local server
10:24<djc>it has its uses, but to be honest, you will probably find it a lot simpler just to setup mutt to access your imap account
10:24<Gluck>djc, again, how to check permissions of the device hpaio:/usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0, do you have any glue?
10:24<stuckey>bremner: so I could just use mutt with imap?
10:24<stuckey>and that's all I'd need?
10:24<bremner>stuckey: sure
10:24<djc>Gluck, its not permissions
10:24<ComradeHaz>guys, is there a debian-gnome channel enywhere?
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10:25<bremner>stuckey: afaik, yes. I don't use mutt though. fetchmail is mainly useful for detached (offline) operation
10:25<Gluck>djc, what's your variant?
10:25<djc>Gluck, ?
10:25<Gluck>djc, if not permissions, than what?
10:25<Gluck>*then
10:26<djc>try this: SANE_DEBUG_DLL=3 scanimage -L
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10:28<djc>ml|, what I really want, is a copy of gmails interface I can host on my own webserver, that would either access a mailstore directly in some known format, or via local imap
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10:28<djc>either that, or the ability for gmail itself to be able to access 'external' imap accounts
10:28<djc>im not talking using some random imap client to access gmail storage, I know they do that
10:28<djc>I want to run my own imap server, and use gmail as the ui to it
10:29<djc>want to try to get away from storing my mail on gmail
10:29<Gluck>djc, ok, I've got a hundred of lines which I need have a look at. What do you think I will see there?
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10:30<gsimmons>ComradeHaz: #gnome-debian @ irc.gnome.org.
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10:30<stuckey>djc: okay so how do I get mutt to access the imap server?
10:30<stuckey>djc: sorry wrong person
10:30<stuckey>who was it that told me mutt would work with imap?
10:30<djc>Gluck, you might want to edit /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and remove all the backends for scanners otehr than yours. would cut down on the excess output there
10:30<Gluck>djc, anyway, thanks for your contribution to my incomprehension :)
10:30<djc>http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttGuide/UseIMAP
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10:31<djc>Gluck, try unplugging your scanners usb cable then reconnecting it
10:32<stuckey>djc: that didn't work
10:32<djc>stuckey, what didnt work?
10:32<djc>you couldnt load that url?
10:32<Gluck>djc, mine did neither :)
10:32<stuckey>djc: this is the largest .rc file I've ever seen.
10:33<stuckey>it's 4594 lines
10:33<djc>wht is?
10:33<stuckey>.muttrc
10:33<djc>your existing one?
10:33<stuckey>yes
10:33<djc>have you used mutt before?
10:33<stuckey>it doesn't really say how to use these options on that link you gave me
10:33<Gluck>djc, I've done it many times. Unplugged, plugged in another hole, logging out and in, restarting, rebooting and whatever.
10:33<stuckey>never before.
10:33<djc>on that system
10:33<Gluck>djc, but anyway, is there any way to see and change permissions of usb device?
10:33<djc>Gluck, for the most part, you mainly need to set the ones in the first bit there
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10:34<djc>you dont need all the rest of that.. those are 'these might be useful'
10:34<djc>look over them, if something looks like so,mething you might need or want for your account, then *after* you have the account working without any extra options, see about adding them
10:34<Gluck>djc, can you please reformulate what you just have said?
10:35<djc>Gluck, the devices are dynamic, you cant permanently change the permission on them.
10:35<stuckey>djc: it says connection refused...
10:35<stuckey>perhaps that's because it uses ssl?
10:35<djc>if you are properly in the 'scanner' group, and hald recognizes the device as a scanner, then you should have access
10:35<djc>stuckey, I assume you did edit it to use your actual imap accounts server, username, etc
10:35<stuckey>djyes
10:36<djc>and yes if your imap requires ssl then use imaps instead of just imap
10:36<djc>"imap[s]:"
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10:36<djc>means "imap" or "imaps", as appropriate
10:36<stuckey>wow
10:36<stuckey>Yeah good idea...
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10:36<Gluck>Yes, but device `hpaio:/usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0' is always being indicated as /usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0 over hpaio backend.
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10:36<Gluck>djc, Yes, but device `hpaio:/usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0' is always being indicated as /usb/psc_1100_series?serial=MY431G70N6B0 over hpaio backend.
10:36<stuckey>djc: it's working now :)
10:36<stuckey>Do you know basic commands for this? How do I write a new message, etc.?
10:36<djc>stuckey, there you go.. read over the other options at that url.. see what might be applicable to your account
10:37<djc>in mutt? no idea. I thought you were using mutt becuase thats what you liked/wanted
10:37<djc>or already knew
10:37<stuckey>djc: nope, just wanted to learn a new program
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10:37<djc>well.. google for 'mutt tutorial' then.. as you might have noted, i mentioned I dont use mutt
10:37<djc>nor have I ever used it
10:37<stuckey>okay
10:37<djc>btw
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10:38<eightyeight>stuckey: /j #mutt
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10:38<djc>if you have a gui session up, there _are_ typical gui point-and-click imap clients in debian
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10:38<djc>evolution is a popular 'outlook-like' one.. theres also uhmm.. whatever mozillas is.. can remember the name
10:38<stuckey>eightyeight: no one there...
10:38<djc>stuckey, google for "mutt tutorial" ?
10:38<spozen>thunderbird is the name
10:39<djc>right..
10:39<eightyeight>stuckey: freenode is the official server
10:39<djc>but there will be the 'debian' name
10:39<djc>eg firefox/iceweasel
10:39<djc>anyway.. if you want to learn mutt, by all means do so..
10:39<djc>just dont think its the only choice
10:40<spozen>yea its called icedove
10:40<djc>stuckey, btw, you'll want to make sure you didnt leave fetchmail setup to poll your account
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10:40<djc>id remove your user/pass from the fetchmail config, to make sure it doesnt
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10:42<stuckey>djc: I did apt-get remove fetchmail
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10:42<djc>Gluck, the point about devices being dynamic, is that both /dev and /proc/bus/usb, where the 'device files' would be living for such things, are not regular filesystems, they are 'pseudo' filesystems authomatically populated by kernel/hal
10:42<djc>no chmods or chowns you might do in there will have any permanent affect
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10:43<djc>and may well interfere with hald's operation..
10:43<locklace>!lart hald
10:43*dpkg beats hald senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
10:44<djc>printed unix manual?
10:44*jMCg has one of those in the office.
10:44<djc>were there ever such things
10:44<jMCg>Unix Power Tools
10:44<jMCg>It's roughly 1600 pages.
10:44<djc>oh ok.. not 'manual'.... 'book'
10:44<locklace>djc: yes, don't tell me you never hacked on the Version 6 kernel
10:44<djc>locklace, ?
10:44<djc>version 6 of what?
10:45<jMCg>Paperback: 1200 pages
10:45<locklace>djc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_6_Unix
10:45<Gluck>djc, I know. But I am quite sure that it does something with permissions to do. Any idea how to get it round?
10:45<djc>locklace, "yuck"
10:46<djc>Gluck, the only 'permissions' should be your user being in the 'scanner' group
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10:47<djc>perhaps hald itself is confused.. try restart hald
10:48<djc>see if theres anything in dmesg
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10:49<Gluck>Your words interfere with reality :) My user is in the scanner group.
10:49<Gluck>djc, Your words interfere with reality :) My user is in the scanner group.
10:49<djc>you seem to be behind a few utterances
10:50<djc><djc> perhaps hald itself is confused.. try restart hald
10:50<djc><djc> see if theres anything in dmesg
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10:51<Gluck>djc, Is it me you tell to restart hald? I've restarted the whole machine already.
10:52<djc>Gluck, ok
10:53<Gluck>Ok, djc, anyway, thanks for your help, I'll try to fix in on my own.
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10:57<ml|>stuckey: this my muttrc so you get an idea of what you need, I use this for gmail, just change what is needed tor your imap ....
10:57<ml|>http://pastebin.com/f6c45048b
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11:00<stuckey>ml|: thanks
11:00<stuckey>ml|: Do you know of a good command reference?
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11:01<locklace>man muttrc
11:01<ml|>the links I posted earlier should help here are a few more ...
11:01<ml|>http://www.therandymon.com/woodnotes/mutt/using-mutt.html
11:02<stuckey>Thanks again
11:02<ml|>http://mutt.blackfish.org.uk/
11:02<ml|>np
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11:06<spozen>i am trying to tunnel all my traffic thru a vpn tunnel, and using iptables to block all other traffic i have the vpn tunnel up. But my its something wrong wiht my iptables lines: http://pastebin.com/m3cf32298
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11:07<ml|>stuckey: chmod og-r on muttrc file for extra security
11:07<djc>spozen, make sure that you arent trying to tunnel the tunnel traffic itself through your tunnel
11:08<djc>spozen, becuase then you create a workhole, and you'll find yourself in the gamma quadrant ;)
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11:08<djc>er wormhole
11:08<ml|>hah
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11:08<spozen>hehe, im using trying to block all other traffic i just want to allow openvpn
11:09<spozen>so that if openvpn goes down everything is blocked
11:09<djc>my point is, when you create the rules that tell traffic to go through the tunnel/vpn, make sure the connection that the vpn itself needs to make has an exception
11:10<spozen>yea thats why i am allowing port 1194
11:11<spozen>but i dont know anything about iptables.... i just guessed when i wrote those lines...
11:12<djc>im not terribly expert at it either
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11:12<djc>my experience with tunnels is from cisco tunnels.
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11:12<djc>but there was the same concept of making sure the tunnel endpoints had seperate routes that didnt rely on the default route, if the default route was through the tunnel
11:13<spozen>yeah its the same with openvpn but sometimes the VPN host can go down
11:13<djc>eg, make sure you if you point a default route at the remote end of the tunnel, that you have a seperate route for the tunnel termination point/host that points directly at your real physical connection
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11:19<rastaspirit>debian.fr
11:19<rastaspirit>#debian.fr
11:19<djc>debian.foo
11:19<rastaspirit>????
11:19<djc>you might want to click the 'help' button in your irc program
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11:19<djc>typing channel names into some other channel doesnt join you to those channels
11:19<spozen>its "/join"
11:20<djc>are you even using debian
11:21<spozen>me?
11:21<djc>no
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11:21<djc>ctcp version on rastaspirit gave results that didnt suggest debian versions of xchat or kernel
11:21<djc>but whatever
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11:22<spozen>i think im off to find a iptables dedicated irc channel
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11:24<rufensis>i upgraded to squeeze and lost my ethernet connection. any ideas?
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11:25<rufensis>i can connect through wireless but not an ethernet cable
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11:27<quitte>rufensis: you are talking about that icon in gnome? or did you try connecting from the cli, too?
11:28<djc>rufensis, upgrading to squeeze was a bad idea?
11:28<quitte>djc just shut up
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11:28<djc>he asked for any ideas.. that was the first idea that occured to me
11:29<quitte>djc: just like earlier your first idea was to ctcp version someone
11:29<djc>so?
11:29<quitte>can't believe i didnt ignore you then
11:29<djc>feel free to now
11:29<djc>especially considering I wasnt speaking to you
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11:30<azeem>djc: you're not being very helpful with your first idea
11:30<rufensis>djc: hey djc, you helped me yesterday. upgrading to squeeze fixed the vlc problem (though it crashes when you load subtitles over an smb network -no big deal). Everything else is working fine, except the etho
11:30<azeem>djc: it's not required that you voice the first idea that occurs to you
11:30<bremner>rufensis: do you use network manager?
11:30<rufensis>bremner: i do
11:31<rufensis>network manager reports the wired connection is not managed
11:31<djc>required by who?
11:31<rufensis>i plugged in a cable and get no link
11:31<djc>or not required by who?
11:31<rufensis>web pages show an error
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11:32<bremner>rufensis: nm falls over during upgrades sometimes. DId you try restarting network-manager (or rebooting, if that is too complicated)
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11:32<djc>maybe ive wasted enough time in this channel. perhaps I can make better use of my decade and a half of linux experience
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11:33<rufensis>i've done several reboots, bremner
11:33<rufensis>no luck
11:33<quitte>ah. djb -1 = djb. i get it now
11:33<azeem>what
11:34<bremner>rufensis: can you upload /etc/network/interfaces to a pastebin site?
11:34<azeem>rufensis: do you have eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
11:34<quitte>azeem: just the first thought that came to my mind :P sorry
11:34<rufensis>one sec
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11:36<rufensis>bremner: http://pastebin.com/d76c02029
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11:38<cahoot>rufensis: n-m ignores interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces
11:38<azeem>rufensis: from what version of debian did you upgrade from?
11:38<azeem>because it's the same for lenny
11:39<rufensis>azeem: i upgraded from lenny. that's when i discovered the problem. then i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.29 and the problem persists there, too.
11:39<rufensis>i had ethernet working with lenny
11:40<rufensis>it was the wireless in my initial install that gave me trouble with lenny
11:40<bremner>rufensis: does "ifup eth0" work?
11:40<azeem>rufensis: but ethernet was not managed by n-m in lenny?
11:41<ghantoos>rufensis: if you plug your ethernet cable then run, "sudo dhclient eth0", do you get networking?
11:41<rufensis>azeem: i thought it was managed in lenny for me
11:41<kampasky_>Hi! I have both testing and unstable in my /etc/apt/sources.list, and APT::Default-Release "testing";
11:41<kampasky_>in /etc/apt/apt.conf
11:42<ml|>have you tried to set it in nm
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11:42<kampasky_>however, apt-get upgrade suddenly wants to upgade _a lot_ of packages and apt-show-versions -a indicates it wants to upgrade them from testing to unstable; help? :)
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11:43<rufensis>bremner: ifup eth0 gives command not found error
11:43<ml|>rufensis: as root
11:43<bremner>rufensis: "sudo ifup eth0"
11:43<kampasky_>I use only xorg from unstable, but this all are packages ranging from manpages and debhelper to openoffice.org
11:44<ml|>kampasky_: try the same thing with aptitude?
11:44<bremner>kampasky_: google apt-pinning and /etc/apt/preferences
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11:44<ml|>kampasky_: same setup works fine here with aptitude
11:45<kampasky_>bremner: i followed a howto that didn't include /etc/apt/preferences at all; just suggested adding that line to /etc/apt/apt.conf ... I'm a bit confused now :)
11:45<bremner>kampasky_: ok, I only know the /etc/apt/preferences way
11:45<ghantoos>kampasky_: man apt_preferences
11:45<kampasky_>aptitude upgrade wants to do something similar in scale (although slightly different, also wanna remove packages etc)
11:45<rufensis>bremner: yes, with su it the command yields "interface eth0 already configured"
11:46<kampasky_>ghantoos: I will read that, thanks
11:46<rufensis>bremner: still, the wired netwrok option in network manager is not clickable
11:46<rufensis>ghantoos: here is my output for the command you suggested i run http://pastebin.com/d29c139f4
11:47<ml|>kampasky_: that is problably because of xorg from unstable
11:47<ml|>don't you have to manage nm as root?
11:47<ghantoos>rufensis: it seems you got an ip there: 192.168.1.101
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11:48<cahoot>rufensis: n-m ignores interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces
11:48<kampasky_>ml|: yes but xorg pulling openoffice.org and debhelper from unstable? the initial xorg install from unstable certainly didn't do that
11:48<ghantoos>rufensis: your ethernet link seems to work, but is not managed by n-m
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11:48<kampasky_>i will try switching mirrors since the one i'm using now is a bit weird
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11:49<rufensis>ghantoos: i see that now with ip address show
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11:49<rufensis>ghantoos: i will try switching down my wireless and see what happens with the connection.
11:50<kampasky_>iiiinteresting, after switching from debian.mirror.dkm.cz to ftp.cz.debian.org and apt-get update, apt-get upgrade wanna do nothing
11:50<kampasky_>that mirror has had serious problems in the past, i guess i'll report a bug
11:50<ml|>kampasky_: congrats
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11:56<xing>Wyzard_,can i use the i810 driver for the intel 845 video card by modifying the xorg.conf file?
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12:03<tenehawk>Hi, can anyone give me a hand getting iSCSI working?
12:03<tenehawk>I've gotten to the point where I can log into the target using the initiator, and all goes well...
12:04<tenehawk>but it doesn't see any new "drives" when I run 'fdisk -l'
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12:10<asterisc>Where can I find alsaconf ?
12:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 418] by debhelper
12:11<gsimmons>asterisc: What Debian version are you using?
12:11<asterisc>sid
12:11<gsimmons>!alsaconf
12:11<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
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12:12<asterisc>I have a dell inspiron 6400, and everywhere the guys were saying that the soundcard gets working only after alsaconf
12:12<asterisc>but I couldn't find it
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12:12<asterisc>!install alsa
12:12<dpkg>"apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils". After its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. Lenny and Squeeze users with ESS Allegro/Maestro3 devices: ask me about <maestro3>.
12:12<asterisc>!alsa checklist
12:12<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
12:14<Gluck>djc, if you are interested, i've fixed my issue with SANE. The solution was to add my user to lp group.
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12:15<asterisc>how can I 'install' this sound card: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
12:16<cahoot>asterisc: cat /proc/asound/cards - already functional?
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12:16<cahoot>asterisc: speaker-test -t wav -c2 to test
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12:17<asterisc>isn't working: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
12:18<cahoot>asterisc: 'id' confirms user is in audio group?
12:18<tenehawk>does anyone here know about iSCSI?
12:18<asterisc>uid=1000(asterisc) gid=1000(asterisc) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),60(games),100(users),102(crontab),111(netdev),115(powerdev),1000(asterisc)
12:19<cahoot>asterisc: sound device occupied according to fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* ?
12:19<asterisc>it's took by kde: /dev/dsp: asterisc 4570 F.... knotify4
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12:20<cahoot>so kill knotify and run speaker-test again
12:20<asterisc>but kde says that there is no working sound card on the system
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12:21<asterisc>yes, it's working like that!
12:22<asterisc>it's a loop which tests Front-Left, Front-Right
12:22<cahoot>asterisc: ctrl-c when satisfied
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12:22<asterisc>I'm satisfied after I see it working in kde :)
12:22<cahoot>good luck
12:22<asterisc>should I ask forward on #debian-kde ?
12:23<asterisc>thanks mate!
12:23<cahoot>seems strange to a kde app uses /dev/dsp
12:23<cahoot>s/to/to me/
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12:24<asterisc>hmm
12:25<alideb>I just installed lenny, and network-admin (gnome) complains "The platform ... is not supported by this tool" at start. Why?
12:26<adb>which tool?
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12:27<alideb>I typed the tool's name.
12:28<adb>which tool? exactly
12:28<alideb>it's invoked from System>Admin>Network menu
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12:29<tenehawk>[13649.887908] Loading iSCSI transport class v2.0-869.
12:29<tenehawk>[13649.945589] iscsi: registered transport (tcp)
12:29<tenehawk>[13650.120090] iscsi: registered transport (iser)
12:29<tenehawk>[13650.543849] scsi10 : iSCSI Initiator over TCP/IP
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12:29<tenehawk>does that mean that it assigned the device to scsi10?
12:29<tenehawk>not dev/sdX?
12:31<tenehawk>?
12:31<adb>see ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/
12:31<tenehawk>hm aight
12:31<ml|>!paste
12:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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12:32<tenehawk>adb http://rafb.net/p/LIIMDM81.html
12:32<narma>Hello, I want to install debian from the 'network install cd'. I only have a USB cdrom. It boots, but after it can't find the cdrom even if I 'modprob sr_mod' which is the appropriate driver I think. Do you have an idea to detect the device ? thanks
12:33<tenehawk>more information: http://rafb.net/p/QklqEn99.html
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12:34<adb>i dunno
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12:37<tenehawk>i have no clue why it wont' load :(
12:38<adb>uname -r , does what ?
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12:39<ed_debian>ls
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12:39<rufensis>ghantoos: back on. the ethernet connect problem you helped me with is now fixed. network manager does not recognize it, but this is fine. i just loaded up the 2.6.29 kernel i upgraded to yesterday and wireless does not work with it. fwcutter was installed to get the broadcom device working with lenny but now my system does not seem to recognize the wireless device with the new kernel. any clue how to fix this problem?
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12:40<tenehawk>osiris ~ $ uname -r
12:40<tenehawk>2.6.26-1-686
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12:40<ed_debian>Can anyone help me better understand what is the difference between the .py python code I wrote and a package in the repos?
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12:41<adb>maybe need load some kernel module/firmware for iscsi
12:42<tenehawk>module is loaded 0_O
12:43<adb>dmesg ?
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12:44<tenehawk>http://rafb.net/p/igNpA319.html
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12:45*Zenfur jest hardkorem
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12:46<tommi69_>hi all
12:47<tommi69_>i forgot which packages do i need to compile programs, base-something
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12:47<azeem>!b-e
12:47<dpkg>hmm... build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
12:47<ed_debian>tommi69_, I don't understand what the difference is between .py app I wrote and a package in the repo? Is it compiled?
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12:47<tommi69_>ah great thanks
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12:48<tommi69_>ed_debian: i really don't know what you're talking about :)
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12:49<bzed>ed_debian: uh is tha treally what you want to know?
12:49<ed_debian>tommi69_, LOL so I wrote a python app ( .py extension) and in order to run it I have to run ./pythonapp.py and it has to be executable how do I make it run like a package I got from the repos. Like just run "firefox"
12:49<bzed>ed_debian: aah. put it into /usr/local/bin, for example
12:50<bzed>or inany other directory in $PATH, but you should stick with /usr/local for files which do not come from the package manager
12:50<ed_debian>bzed, But it isn't a binary file?
12:51<ed_debian>I am trying it
12:51<azeem>ed_debian: if you look at "/usr/bin/firefox", it's not a binary either
12:52<ed_debian>azeem, IC I guess I assumed because of the path name
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12:53<ed_debian>wow yeah that worked. Thank guys!
12:53<ed_debian>Will it show up in synaptic as a local package?
12:53<azeem>no
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12:53<azeem>it's not a package, it's a file
12:53<ed_debian>mhmm
12:54<azeem>if you want it to show up in synaptic, you'll have to create a Debian package for it
12:54<ed_debian>azeem, a package is a collection of files?
12:54<azeem>as well
12:55<ed_debian>azeem, ok last question
12:56<jamuraa>hmm
12:56<jamuraa>I can live without swap if I have enough regular memory, right
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12:57<drakeman>Short answer, No. Its also a very bad Idea.
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12:57<jamuraa>grr
12:57<jamuraa>it doesn't make sense that I need 16GB of swap space
12:57<azeem>who told you you do?
12:57<ml|>jamuraa: you can, but it is a very bad idea
12:57<ed_debian>jamuraa, You don't need 16GB
12:57<jamuraa>I'm also not getting why it's a bad idea
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12:58<ml|>jamuraa: 2gb is plenty
12:58<stuckey>IS there a way I can compile a program from source using simgear 1.9.0 in lenny? (lenny has version 1.0.0 and the program in question needs version 1.9.0)
12:58<drakeman>16gb of swap? wow
12:58<stuckey>Without screwing up my stable stystem?
12:58<drakeman>hehe
12:58<azeem>stuckey: make a backport
12:58<stuckey>azeem: how do I do this?
12:58<ed_debian>azeem, How do you get a python app to run in a windows xp environment?
12:58<jamuraa>2gb is fine even if I have 8gb of memory?
12:58<azeem>ed_debian: why do you ask me?
12:58<azeem>I don't run XP
12:58<ed_debian>azeem, You seemed to know lol
12:59<ml|>jamuraa: yes more than enough
12:59<azeem>ed_debian: in any case, ask an XP channel
12:59<jamuraa>I've always did 2x ram before, but this machine has a ludicrous amount of ram
12:59<ed_debian>azeem, Ok thanks I didn't know there where any
12:59<azeem>jamuraa: it's better to have 2GB than nothing
12:59<patrikf>what's so bad about having no swap?
12:59<ml|>jamuraa: you can make it smaller if you like
12:59<drakeman>well, create a swap file, :D
12:59<azeem>ed_debian: I don't know if there are, I just know your question is not a propos here
12:59<drakeman>slower, but works.
12:59<ml|>but 2gb is good
13:00<azeem>patrikf: e.g. you can't suspend to disk
13:00<jamuraa>if I make a swap file on the HD (no partition space left) will it work in fstab?
13:00<jamuraa>azeem: I can't suspend my 8gb of ram to 2gb of disk anyway...
13:00<ed_debian>jamuraa, http://www.linux.com/feature/121916
13:00<patrikf>azeem: yeah... but apart from that, I don't see any issues
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13:00<ed_debian>jamuraa, Especially check out the section "How big should my swap space be?"
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13:00<azeem>jamuraa: not if you use up all of it
13:00<azeem>if you just use 4-5 GB, it should be fine
13:01<ml|>jamuraa: if you don't need to suspend to disk you can use 2gb
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13:02<jamuraa>ed_debian: that article doesn't make sense. the whole system is not likely to crash because a malloc() call returns false. and there's the OOM killer too. it's definitely more complicated than "the system will crash"
13:02<patrikf>and swap cannot prevent that...
13:03<patrikf>doesn't matter whether you have 4 GB of RAM and no swap or 2 GB of RAM and 2 GB swap
13:03<jamuraa>and yea, you can easily run out of memory + swap
13:03<azeem>jamuraa: look, if you think you don't want swap, don't use swap
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13:04<ml|>jamuraa: better safe tha sry
13:04<ml|>*than
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13:05<ed_debian>jamuraa, If you don't have swap and you run out of memory your system will crash.
13:05<patrikf>ed_debian: why should it?
13:05<patrikf>ed_debian: and why should that be different when you have swap and run out of memory (including swap)?
13:06<ed_debian>oops sorry guys I had some lag and I didn't see that you were saying things to me.
13:07<ed_debian>patrikf, From what I understand if you run out of all available memory your system will crash whether that be all of your ram with no swap or all of your ram and swap together etc etc
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13:07<ed_debian>patrikf, But it is extremely unlikely that will happen especially if you have a lot of either one
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13:07<patrikf>ed_debian: well, if everything goes right, then only the app that uses most memory will crash (i.e. be killed by the kernel oom killer)
13:08<azeem>I thought there's no oom killer anymore these days
13:08<jamuraa>ed_debian: so by your account, my 8gb of ram should be the same as my previous 4gb ram + 4gb swap, and I don't need swap then :P
13:08<azeem>I think this discussion is going in circles now
13:09<ed_debian>jamuraa, That is my understanding. Except that ram is faster than swap.
13:09<patrikf>azeem: there's no oom killer anymore? where did you get that from?
13:09<jamuraa>sorry I really just wondered, aside from software suspend, if I needed swap for some other fundamental reason other than "you might run out of memory"
13:09<InkBottle>Hi, it's question about how kernel modules are usually loaded: I've installed 'nvidia nouveau' driver from source. It goes like that: compile drm, make install (drm), insmod drm.ko; insmod nouveau.ko; compile nouveau; make install nouveau. My question is, each time I boot up, I have to do the insmod(s) again. What would be the right way to do?
13:10<azeem>InkBottle: put them into /etc/modules
13:10<jamuraa>InkBottle: you can put the modules into your /etc/modules file, which will load the files at boot
13:10<jamuraa>erm modules
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13:10<rufensis>anyone have an idea why my wireless stopped working when i moved to kernel 2.2.29 and how to get it back. It's a broadcom device and i used fwcutter before the kernel upgrade.
13:11<montel>would anyone wind testing my apache server for me?
13:11<montel>mond*
13:11<montel>mind*
13:12<ootput>rufensis: 2.6.29?
13:12<ml|>montel: how why
13:12<cahoot>rufensis: modprobe -r b43; modprobe b43; dmesg
13:12<rufensis>ootput: that's right, 2.6.29
13:12<montel>ml|, http://montel.dynalias.org/eyeOS/
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13:13<rufensis>cahoot: is that as root?
13:13<montel>user name is test
13:13<cahoot>yes
13:13<montel>and password is test
13:13<InkBottle>jamuraa: sorry, what is "erm"?
13:14<rufensis>cahhot: "Fatal: module b43 not found"
13:15<cahoot>rufensis: made you own kernel?
13:15<ml|>montel: looks good
13:15<jamuraa>InkBottle: an utterance, because I said "files" instead of "modules"
13:15<InkBottle>jamuraa: :)
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13:17<rufensis>cahoot: i compiled it yesterday using a debian guide
13:18<rufensis>first time i've tried
13:18<InkBottle>jamuraa: azeem: I've got only one module name in /etc/modules ("loop"). I think there is other modules loaded at boot. How does it work for these modules that are not in /etc/modules?
13:18<cahoot>rufensis: so you've failed
13:18<rufensis>cahoot: in a word, yes.
13:18<rufensis>cahoot: though only on the wireless front
13:18<jamuraa>InkBottle: many of those are detected automatically for the hardware. the ones in /etc/modules are on top of those
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13:19<InkBottle>jameswhite: ok
13:19<InkBottle>jamuraa: ok
13:19<InkBottle>sorry for jameswhite
13:19<InkBottle>completion :)
13:20<ml|>heh
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13:21<ml|>sid has 2.6.29
13:24<ed_debian>hey btw speaking of swap space Does anybody know what "unable to find swap space signature" means? I get it when I try to come out of hibernation.
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13:32<InkBottle>jamuraa: what about putting the files drm.ko and nouveau.ko there: /lib/modules/2.6.29-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/. Because however, If I put 'drm' and 'nouveau' in /etc/modules, they probably won't be found since they are in my home directory?
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13:34<tommi69_>i patched grub with 915resolution patch and now i get a grub commandline and i'm stuck, anyone here had this kind of problem?
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13:36<enouf>ed_debian: yes, you didn't run mkswap on the /dev/name
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13:37<enouf>ed_debian: i bet your dmesg and other logs in /var/log/ say it as well - /msg dpkg bootlogd
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13:38<enouf>cat /proc/swaps will show you if a valid swap is working - free output will also
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13:38<enouf>ed_debian: make extra sure you get /dev/[
13:38<ed_debian>enouf, Ok hang on. I am going to hibernate. And come back so I can re-create the error
13:38<enouf>ed_debian: make extra sure you get /dev/[sh]d?N correct if you run mkswap on it
13:39<ed_debian>right now cat /proc/swaps returns: /dev/sda5 and that is correct
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13:39<ed_debian>and swap is on right now
13:39<enouf>ed_debian: that makes no sense
13:39<enouf>oh ok - you see it where i said?
13:39<ed_debian>yeah
13:39<ed_debian>right now it is working
13:39<enouf>free will show it, but show 0 if not available
13:39<ed_debian>If I hibernate and return I bet it will be different
13:40<enouf>cat /proc/swaps will just show it, or not
13:40<ed_debian>enouf, So it tells me that there is a swap partition available but not if I'm actually using it
13:40<enouf>ed_debian: strings /dev/name1 | grep SWAPSPACE
13:40<ed_debian>do you want me to run that?
13:41<ed_debian>with name1 replaced with /dev/sda5?
13:41<ootput>nope, only sda5
13:41<enouf>ootput: wut?
13:42<enouf>ed_debian: yep
13:42<ed_debian>ok that outputs SWAPSPACE21216, & SWAPSPACE2 several times
13:42<enouf>if sda5 is your swap - also check /etc/fstab
13:42<enouf>ed_debian: good - though SWAPSPACE2 should come 1st
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13:42<ed_debian>swap line from /etc/fstab:
13:42<ed_debian>/dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0
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13:43<ed_debian>"SWAPSPACE2" appears 6 times and is in spots 2 - 7
13:43<ed_debian>spot 1 is "SWAPSPACE21216"
13:43<enouf>ed_debian: i bet one of your files in /etc/initramfs/* contains a pointer to a wrong partition or file = or your /etc/{acpi,hibernate} scripts .. or something in /etc/defaults/ .. or your resume= on the kernel line
13:44<ed_debian>enouf, That sounds right to me as well I'll go through it
13:44<karim>hi
13:44<ootput>ed_debian: $free not showing Swap: usage?
13:44<karim>does anyone know how I can install grub on a isolated /booting parititon ?
13:44<enouf>ed_debian: hexdump -C /dev/hdc2 | grep SWAPSPACE
13:44<enouf>er .. sda5
13:45<ed_debian>ootput, What ?
13:45<karim>I tried with grub install but it install in /booting/boot/grub/ instead of /booting/grub
13:45<enouf>karim: pass it --root-directory=/boot
13:45<ed_debian>enouf, I don't have a /dev/hdc2 ?
13:45<ootput>got ya work cut out for ya, bud :)
13:45<enouf>ed_debian: [13:41:58] <enouf> er .. sda5
13:45<enouf>ed_debian: work with me here
13:45<karim>enouf: you may read again my question
13:45<ed_debian>enouf, lol sorry
13:45<ed_debian>I'll try that
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13:46<enouf>karim: i did .. and?
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13:46<karim>enouf: what you say would put grub in /boot/boot/grub/
13:46<enouf>karim: pass it --root-directory=/booting which is silly
13:46<ed_debian>enouf, Do you want the entire ouput? It isn't going to copy/paste well
13:46<karim>that's what I don't want
13:46<karim>enouf: why is it silly ?
13:47<enouf> /booting isn't a valid name -- see FHS
13:47<enouf>ed_debian: no, 1st hit
13:47<enouf>1st line i mean
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13:47<karim>enouf: booting is the name of the folder where this partition mounted, /mnt/booting if you prefer
13:47<enouf>karim: there are no folders in linux
13:47<enouf>if you mounted there, then use =/mnt
13:47<ed_debian>enouf, : 00000ff0 00 00 00 00 00 00 53 57 41 50 53 50 41 43 45 32 |.....SWAPSPACE2|
13:48<enouf>ed_debian: perfect
13:48<karim>--root-directory=/mnt/booting will put it in /mnt/booting/boot/grub
13:48<enouf>ed_debian: that's the swapspace sig
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13:48<karim>enouf: ok that's what I did however it's stalling. maybe that's for another reason
13:48<enouf>no, i said /mnt
13:48<ed_debian>enouf, Ok good :) Now how does this help me get hibernation to work?
13:48<karim>hum well it worked finally but it took like ten minutes ...
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13:49<ed_debian>I suspect that if I hibernate and come back much of these commands will produce different results
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13:49<enouf>ed_debian: i mentioned many other things to check - you did the etc/fstab already
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13:49<ed_debian>enouf, ok, yeah I'll check the other files
13:49<ed_debian>enouf, Thank you soo much!
13:49<enouf>ed_debian: is there more than one swap designated?
13:49<ootput>ed_debian: it's easier to use a swapfile for hibernate/suspend
13:49<enouf>ed_debian: do you also have a swapfile?
13:49<ed_debian>enouf, (BTW I am extremely impressed that you can help multiple people at once)
13:50<enouf>!pony me
13:50*dpkg gives enouf a pony
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13:50<enouf>;-)
13:50<ml|>lol
13:50<ml|>!beer enouf
13:50*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for enouf
13:50<enouf>dpkg: glad to see you back!
13:50<dpkg>enouf: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:50<enouf>dpkg: where were you?
13:50<dpkg>I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE!
13:50<ml|>lol
13:50<ed_debian>enouf, In etc/fstab there is only one swap ( a partition) I never set up a swap file so there isn't one to my knowledge
13:50<ootput>not all bi-polar disorders are bad
13:50<enouf>ml|: gracias ;-)
13:51<ml|>enouf: no problema
13:51<enouf>ed_debian: don't you need a resume= in output of cat /proc/cmdline ?
13:51<ed_debian>enouf, BTW the hexdump command is still running can I cancel it?
13:51<Anonissimus>is there an easy way to test if my machine can stand some ddos?
13:51<enouf>oh crap = i need to jump into the shower
13:51<enouf>ed_debian: yes
13:51<ootput>enouf: irc from the shower!
13:51<enouf>heh
13:51<ml|>haha
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13:52<enouf>Sony Walkman Waterproof Craptops!?
13:52<ed_debian>enouf, cat /proc/cmdline : root=/dev/sda2 ro quite vga=775
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13:52<enouf>ed_debian: ok , well i don't use hibernate, but insure ACPI is working properly , dmesg can help, and that the apropos acpi-* pkgs are installed
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13:53<enouf>ed_debian: grep -lR <keyword> /etc/ to try and find where some other file/partition name is mentioned that might make hibernate think your swap is elsewhere
13:53<ed_debian>enouf, Yeah it was all working before I copied my installation to a different harddrive. I am going to check those files mentioned previously for bad pointers (almost certainly the problem in my opinion) Thank you again for all of your help!
13:53<enouf>ok - out
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13:53<enouf>welcome
13:54*ootput watches enouf yank the power chord and lug the box to the bathroom...
13:55<Silicium01>hey guys, I am following the http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne to install Debian on Acer One netbook, but the second linek to netiso image is dead, so I'm getting one from Debian site, but the manual says the kernel image version in "drive image" must match kernel image in "netinst iso image". How do I ensure that they match?
13:55<ootput>dedication
13:55<ml|>haha
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13:58<harry_>hallo, ist hier jemand?
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13:59<ml|>!de
13:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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14:03<binni>hello
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14:05<binni>I need some help deciding what pcmcia card I should get to add usb 2 to my old powerbook laptop
14:05<binni>running debian
14:06<Silicium01>How can I tell which where in dev is my usb drive?
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14:11<Br4z3r>Hi, I just installed Debian lenny on my laptop( asus f5sl ) and I don't have sound, I installed alsa-utils alsa-tools, I did the alsaconf command and I still don't have sound, when I play a mp3 it plays it but I don't hear anything
14:11<Br4z3r>like its mute somewhere
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14:12<ml|>Br4z3r: have used alsamixer to unmuted and set the levels?
14:12<Br4z3r>yes I did
14:12<Br4z3r>all is up
14:12<dvs>!alsa checklist
14:13<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
14:13<ml|>no MM on the bottom in alasamixer
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14:14<Br4z3r>what do you mean no MM on the bottom I have MM on the bottom
14:15<dvs>Br4z3r: MM at the bottom of a slider means it's muted
14:15<dvs>OO means it's open
14:15<ml|>right
14:15<Br4z3r>oh I see
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14:15<Br4z3r>how to unmuted
14:15<Br4z3r>:)
14:15<richard>Hi, I have a small issue with Mac4lin, if anyone could shed some light on the matter I would be grateful. the minimize maximize buttons etc are still on the right when they should be on the left :/
14:15<dvs>Br4z3r: press M
14:15<ml|>Br4z3r: M
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14:19<Br4z3r>I don't have the snd-pcm-oss "FATAL: Module snd_pcm_os not found."
14:19<Br4z3r>how to add it ?
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14:21<dvs>Br4z3r: Should come with the kernel
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14:22<dvs>Br4z3r: Watch the spelling!!!
14:23<Br4z3r>dvs, got it sorry :)
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14:27<juanffx>hi guys, i´m newbie and have a question, when i need to update a package from lenny to a newer version, the normal procedure is to activate the sid repos, upgrading and then desactivate them?
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14:28<locklace>hehe
14:28<ml|>!tell juanffx -about backport
14:29<azeem>juanffx: no, the normal procedure is to use a backports, and if none is available produce a backport yourself
14:29<ml|>!tell juanffx -about grounding
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14:29<juanffx>ok, thanks for the info
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14:30<robokop_>while booting lvm couldn't find my volume group anymore, what should i do?
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14:34<action09>One question: is there an **official** way to upgrade a Debian system ? imean for a stable release, what are the steps , i'm asking myself is there a lot of difference betwenn apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, or dist-upgrade, or aptitude full-upgrade.. i'm reading the docs, but i thought the Debian people will put a recommended/official way to do and not miss major security bugfixes if possible...
14:35<gazzu>Hello everyone, my question is: When I use "apt-get install (something)" i get the message "570 programs not updated" how do I fix this?
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14:36<dr|z3d>gazzu: try aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
14:37<ml|>!tell gazzu -about aptitude
14:37<Octave_Octet>Hi. Kopete now freezes whenever I try to log in my jabber account. When I create a new account it seems to work. What can I try to do to fix my current one ? (I can access this account in other clients)
14:38<ml|>!tell gazzu -about why aptitude
14:39<ml|>!tell action09 -about aptitude
14:39<action09>ok
14:39<ml|>!tell action09 -about why aptitude
14:39<ml|>action09: man aptitude also
14:40<action09>5 years ago things were simple: apt-get update to update && apt-get upgrade to upgrade... :)
14:40<gazzu>ml|: no idea, I almos always use apt
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14:40<ml|>read msg from dpkg
14:40<gazzu>ml|: how?
14:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 424] by debhelper
14:41<ml|>in your irc client window called dpkg
14:41<ml|>or tab etc
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14:41<urbinek>hi there
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14:42<ml|>gazzu: see it now?
14:42<urbinek>will there be any problem when resolution if i use 42"TV via hdmi insted of LCD ?
14:42<urbinek>with *
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14:43<urbinek>P.S. i'm using KDE 3.x
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14:43<bremner>urbinek: that is more a question of your video card, and what it can drive
14:44<gazzu>ml|: sorry man, english is not my mother languaje and I missing some thing, I'll keep reading
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14:44<ml|>gazzu: do you see dpkg msg?
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14:45<urbinek>bremner: 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 9500 GT (rev a1)
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14:45<urbinek>GAINWARD GeForce with CUDA 9500GT 512MB DDR2/128bit DVI/HDMI PCI-E Silent FX (550/800)
14:45<gazzu>ml|: nop. where can I see it?
14:46<ml|>gazzu: in your irc program, in a window or tab
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14:46<bremner>urbinek: so you need to find out if that card supports the TV resolution (1920x1080? I'm not sure)
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14:47<ml|>gazzu: will be called dpkg
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14:47<urbinek>bremner: on 512MB ? it should, i'm searching ...
14:47<gazzu>ml|: I appreciate your hell, I have to leave, but I'll be back soon, TY anyway, you are great
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14:47<Silicium01>I'm stuk at creating usb image for debian installer
14:48<bremner>urbinek: I guess you are right, but you also have to know about the driver. I don't use nvidia cards, so I can't tell you
14:48<ml|>Silicium01: try unetbootin
14:49<urbinek>bremner: i'm using nvidia-glx from repo, 17...somethig
14:49<ml|>*have you
14:49<bremner>urbinek: it should be harmless to try, if you already have the gear
14:49<urbinek>bremner: acceleration ?
14:50<Silicium01>ml|, netbooting/'
14:50<Silicium01>?
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14:50<bremner>urbinek: like I say, not an nvidia expert
14:50<urbinek>it's this > http://www.gainward.de/media/files/Specifications/9788_9500GT_HD_512MB_datasheet.pdf
14:50<urbinek>bla bla bla ... "Provides DVI-I (Dual-link DVI, support up to 2560x1600), HDMI and VGA (D-sub 15) connectors."
14:50<urbinek>"
14:51<urbinek>so on HDMI also ?
14:51<ml|>Silicium01: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
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14:53<urbinek>bremner: ok, i assume that it will work, other thing is how to set this ? it should be auto or what ?
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14:54<bremner>urbinek: it should be auto, afaik
14:55<urbinek>bremner: and what if.. ? nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? to be honest i've never set it up from keyboard
14:55<ml|>urbinek: did you install the nvidia driver
14:55<urbinek>ml|: yes
14:55<ml|>the debian way i assume
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14:57<urbinek>apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` linux-headers-`uname -r`
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14:57<ml|>guess that is one way, but I meant this ...
14:58<ml|>!tell urbinek -about nvidia
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14:58<urbinek>http://wklej.org/id/89145/
14:58<ml|>hehe
14:59<urbinek>it works so i haven't do no more to not breake it :P
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15:00<ml|>ok
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15:01<ml|>it will break with new kernel
15:01<urbinek>i know
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15:02<urbinek>a while ago when ney kernel for squezee were out X haven't up, i've fix it in no time
15:02<urbinek>my englis is horrible ~_~
15:03<ml|>heh, good enough ;)
15:04<urbinek>but it must sounds kinnda funy
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15:04<urbinek>i've got that same when someboty try to write/talk in polish x)
15:05<ml|>it's all good
15:05<urbinek>:D
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15:09<urbinek>ml|: is it worth to upgrade drivers ?
15:10<urbinek>now i have 173.14.09-5
15:10<ml|>urbinek: if it's working fine i would not
15:10<urbinek>ml|: mkey :D
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15:11<ml|>urbinek: next kernel upgrade i would follow the wiki directions
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15:13<urbinek>on next kernel update "nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` linux-headers-`uname -r`" should do the trick
15:13<urbinek>like before
15:13<ml|>ok
15:14<urbinek>i'll make some script that will check kernel version and in case of upgrade install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` linux-headers-`uname -r` :)
15:14<urbinek>hmm, when i'm here, how can i make mplayer o use GPU insteed CPU to rendering films ?
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15:14<urbinek>or how can i as normal user start mplayer with prioritete (?) below 0, for eg. -14
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15:42<Gluck>Hi, I am setting up a scan-server using SANE. I can access the scanner from the server, and server keeps open the sane-port 6566. IP of the sane server is listed in /etc/sane.d/net.conf on the client machine, but the sane instance on the client machine does not see the scanner. Does anyone have any idea what is wrong?
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15:47<ootput>urbinek: sudo privileges
15:48<urbinek>ootput: and ?
15:48<ootput>and go from there?
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15:48<urbinek>bash: privileges: command not found
15:48<urbinek>brb
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15:49<urbinek>ootput: what is package name ?
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15:51<ootput>urbinek: high priority processes (with negative nice) are supposed to be critical services
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15:52<ootput>urbinek: but for your sake, sudo renice -14 $(pidof mplayer)
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15:52<d3v1ous>hello boys, i need something to shape my local users by UID. I mean if somebody make more then of 5Mb traffic the network connection will be denied when the admin clear the counters. Can somebody help me with this?
15:53<urbinek>ootput: thx very much :3
15:53<ootput>what on earth is that
15:53<urbinek>:P?
15:54<urbinek>what is what ?
15:54<d3v1ous>i do shaping by network traffic, with iptables, with conn limit
15:54<d3v1ous>this mean, every new connection is shaped
15:54<d3v1ous>but i need something to calculate the traffic
15:55<d3v1ous>do somebody heard for tool which show network traffic by UID?
15:55<d3v1ous>i need some console based tool
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15:58<Bunnyh_>iptables can do tracking by uid, why don't you use that?
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15:58<Bunnyh_>use the owner match rule
15:59<Silicium01>I'm trying to boot off the usb installer that I created, but get could not find kernel image" any ideas what I should do?
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16:00<d3v1ous>Bunnyh_ can you do example, how to do accouting with iptables by UID
16:00<d3v1ous>is it possible?
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16:02<hideyo>windows vista
16:03<bremner>!tell hideyo about ask
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16:05<selofi>como se hace para entrar al chat en español?
16:05<avu>!es
16:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:06<melkart>is it possible, from within the debian-installer, to mount a logical volume in an encrypted partition, but one which was already encrypted before, not from within this instance of debian-installer? because i am not seeing how...
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16:07<chealer>Silicium01: ...the usb installer that you created how?
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16:08<chealer>action09: follow the release notes
16:09<Bunnyh_>d3v1ous, I'm not too familiar with the byte counter rules, but it seems that you know about them already. Just combine those with '-m owner --uid-owner <uid>'
16:09<x3ro>ok guys... this is the most stupid question i've ever asked: could anybody _please_ tell me how I can start the svn server deamon with the user svn... because no matter what I do it starts with root privs :-s
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16:11<x3ro>just got it working using sudo... any other way? ^^
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16:19<marctw>debian lenny doesn't support latest virtualbox guest extensions
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16:23<marctw>any ideas?
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16:30<marctw>???????????/
16:31<themill_>marctw: you might want to explain what "latest" is and how you've come to this conclusion.
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16:33<marctw>have u tried it?
16:33<marctw>http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes says only Debian 3.1/4.0
16:34<Silicium01>what is wireless ssid
16:34<matth>name of the hotspot
16:34<Silicium01>I am trying to netinstall on Acer Netbook and it cant find it
16:35<matth>(of mac adress of the hostpot depending wheter it is essid or bssid)
16:35<matth>s/of/or/
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16:36<bighornram>how do you refresh the wine start menu? I've uninstalled but they remain in my menu
16:36<Silicium01>Network configuration failed it says
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16:37<Silicium01>so if it asks me for essid then it's the name of wireless network? Like My Network ?
16:38<marctw>themill ????????
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16:39<amphi>Silicium01: iwlist <interface> scan will tell you the essid, probably
16:39<angasule>friggin' network-manager broke with the update
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16:40<angasule>apparently I'm not the only one? :)
16:40<Silicium01>amphi, I'm installing using netinstall, but this netbook does not have a wire connector for networking, just wireless, so I'm kind of stuck
16:41<Silicium01>amphi, should I get a full dvd perhaps?
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16:43<amphi>Silicium01: what wireless card is it?
16:43<Silicium01>I dont know, It's a Acer Aspireone netbook
16:44<Silicium01>oh wait, it does have the line in!
16:44<amphi>it has no ethernet port?
16:44<Silicium01>I just noticed it does
16:44<Silicium01>I thought it didnt
16:44<amphi>!lart Silicium01
16:44*dpkg frags Silicium01 with his BFG9000
16:44<ml|>lol
16:45*angasule wonders why the stupid network-manager stopped working after that update
16:45*amphi wonders why people don't just use interfaces(5)
16:46<ml|>hah
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16:47<Silicium01>sweet, Now my every comp will be running Debian!
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16:47<amphi>!rejoice
16:47<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
16:47<Silicium01>I need to get some debian gear, like tshirts and stickers
16:47<ml|>Silicium01: congrats :)
16:47<action09>chealer ho ok thanks found interesting doc in it : http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.fr.html#aptupgrade1st
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16:48<ml|>!customer Silicium01
16:48<ml|>!customer
16:48<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
16:48<Silicium01>lol
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16:50<Silicium01>Ok, what is LVM?
16:50<ml|>!tell Silicium01 -about lvm
16:50<Silicium01>this netbook came with XP, can I keep it too somehow? (for rare dualboot for iphone?)
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16:50<angasule_>grr, damn hiccups
16:51<angasule_>amphi: umh, will that fix the problem with hibernating when connected to a network and then waking up in a place that has a different network? with network manager I just click on the icon and tell it to connect to the new one, not to mention it recovers from these hiccups without my intervention most of the time
16:52<ml|>!tell Silicium01 -about dual boot
16:52<Silicium01>ml|, I thought screw it, and used entire disk :)
16:53<ml|>heh, you can run xp in a vm like vbox
16:53<Silicium01>when I'll get to what I want installed, it will have desktop and laptop selected, if I only have laptop selected, will it still install gnome?
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16:53<ml|>!tell angasule_ -about interfaces
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16:54<ml|>Silicium01: i don't think so
16:54<angasule_>!tell ml| -about rethorical_questions
16:54<ml|>lol
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16:54<angasule_>:P
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16:56<chealer>Silicium01: if I understand your question, no, installing the laptop task doesn't install a desktop environment.
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16:58<Silicium01>chealer, ok
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16:59<ml|>Silicium01: you might want to do a minimal install and use wm
17:00<Silicium01>WM ?
17:00<Silicium01>window manager?
17:00<ml|>!tell Silicium01 -about wm
17:02<Silicium01>ml|, so basically, use minimal + laptop and then install a wm?
17:02<ml|>Silicium01: yes
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17:05<hawkeye>salve a tutti
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17:06<hawkeye>Hi to all
17:06<ml|>!it
17:06<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:07<hawkeye>en
17:09<hawkeye>anyone have the wireless card intel 3945?
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17:12<action09>chealer the "position" i searched was on this link: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.fr.html#s-aptitude-upgrade
17:13<action09>chealer how to upgra dea Debian stable, now it's clear: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
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17:16<ml|>action09: are you on lenny?
17:16<action09>yes
17:16<ml|>want to move to testing?
17:16<action09>no
17:16<action09>: )
17:16<locklace>action09: be a man
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17:17<ml|>ah just want to do a full-upgrade then?
17:17<action09>locklace i stayed 5 years in sid :)
17:17<ml|>locklace: lol
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17:17<action09>started Debian with potato :)
17:17<action09>i was sooooo happy when i can have X on it :)
17:18<ml|>hehe
17:18<rvavruch>hi. I'm having trouble with Iceweasel on testing in gnome. When I try to run it all I get is "Starting Iceweasel" which disappears after a few moments. If I do a "ps ax | grep firefox" I can see it's running, but I can't see it on screen. I've tried killing it and running it again but it makes no difference.
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17:20<montel>anyone downloaded the Windows 7 RC?
17:20<dr|z3d>montel: You're in the wrong channel! try irc://irc.freenode.net/windows
17:21<streuner>FN supports only opensource
17:21<action09>lol
17:21<montel>dr|z3d, no i mean like, have any of u did it in a VM?
17:21<montel>i trying to decided how much RAM to give it
17:21<action09>better place for it is in Trash :)
17:22<ml|>lol
17:22<action09>;)
17:22<streuner>montel: we arent care, ask a Debian related question please
17:22<dr|z3d>streuner: Freenode has an active windows channel.
17:23<amphi>montel: 640KB should be enough ;)
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17:23<montel>amphi, ha......................ha
17:24<yaotzin>login #/debian.es
17:24<yaotzin>hmmm
17:24<yaotzin>sorry
17:24<amphi>you can't expect such a question to be taken seriously in here
17:24<rvavruch>montel: google for minimum requirements.
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17:25<burnclouds>ls
17:25<amphi>ETERM
17:25<yaotzin>#debian.es
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17:25<yaotzin>sorry, soy nuevo, como entro a la de español?
17:25<burnclouds>can some one help me with some bash scripting
17:25<amphi>yaotzin: /join #debian-es
17:25<avtobiff>!es
17:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:25<yaotzin>thx
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17:28<Anonissimus>arduino is like a toned down programmable board
17:29<Anonissimus>fpga allows you to program like up to hardware level
17:29<Anonissimus>ww.altera.com
17:29<montel>rvavruch, yea, 1 gb >:[
17:29<hawkeye>excuse me, i need help to install ipwraw-ng to my computer but i have problem with make procedure..
17:29<hawkeye>can anyone help me please?
17:30<ml|>!ask
17:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org, or <htasq>
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17:37<angasule>apparently what broke was network-manager-kde
17:37<Silicium01>any howtos out there for setting up something lightweight (other than gnome)
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17:39<amphi>Silicium01: if you want a DE, there's xfce or lxde
17:39<amphi>Silicium01: otherwise, there is a huge number of standalone window managers of varying lightness
17:39<Silicium01>amphi, what is the difference between DE and WM ? I dont quite get it
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17:40<angasule>Silicium01: a WM is one of many parts of a DE
17:40<amphi>a window manager just manages windows, and is a component of a DE; the latter include panels, menus, gui config tools, etc.
17:40<hawkeye>thank you ml|
17:40<Silicium01>how much lighter/faster is xfce compared tp gnome for example?
17:40<amphi>Silicium01: for example, metacity is gnome's window manager
17:41<hawkeye>when i digit make on ipwraw-ng for install i have this message:
17:41<ml|>hawkeye: np
17:41<amphi>Silicium01: I haven't used either
17:41<hawkeye>make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build'
17:41<hawkeye>make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop.
17:41<ml|>hawkeye: use pastebin
17:41<ml|>!paste
17:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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17:42<amphi>Silicium01: openbox is an example of a fairly light window managwer
17:42<amphi>*manager
17:42<hawkeye>okay ml|
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17:42<ml|>Silicium01: http://wiki.debian.org/WindowManager
17:43<Silicium01>I wonder if there is a chart somwhere that compares DEs by lightness
17:43<ml|>Silicium01: you can start with openbox
17:44<ml|>the lightest de is xfce
17:44<Silicium01>ml|, that's just a WM isnt it?
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17:44<ml|>yes
17:45<ml|>Silicium01: the reason I suggest you try a wm cause of the machine you are using that acer
17:46<amphi>ml|: lxde is lighter, I believe (than xfce)
17:46<amphi>if I recall correctly it uses openbox as its wm
17:46<ml|>amphi: lxde is a de?
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17:46<amphi>er...
17:46<ml|>thought it was a wm
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17:47<amphi>ml|: 'Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment'
17:48<ml|>lol, makes sense
17:48<ml|>never used it, but yeah if it used ob it must be lighter then
17:49<ml|>*uses
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17:50<ml|>Silicium01: but if ya want the best wm use xmonad ;)
17:50<Anthony>Can anyone recommend a calendar server that I can install to replace my Google Calendar?
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17:53<Silicium01>Anthony, I'd be interested in that too
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17:55<Anthony>Silicium01: Cool. I recently got my old mac computer, put Debian on it and I'm putting various services to learn about them. I want to try to replace Google Calendar so I won't be relying on a third party to store my info.
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17:55<Silicium01>Anthony, sometimes third party is more reliable :)
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17:56<Silicium01>I sucessfuly installed debian on Acer Aspireone netbook, I wonder how I'd configure wireless on it now
17:57<amphi>Silicium01: do you see the interface in the output of ifconfig -a ?
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17:57<Anthony>Silicium01: Well, I could always export to Google Calendar :D
17:58<Silicium01>amphi, wlan0 would be it?
17:58<Silicium01>or wmaster0
17:58<amphi>Silicium01: wlan0
17:59<Silicium01>amphi, so it was recognised?
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17:59<amphi>Silicium01: looks like
17:59<Silicium01>it does not show up on the top right side of desktop like idoes on my other pc
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18:00<amphi>Silicium01: what happens if you do 'ifconfig wlan0 up' ?
18:00<amphi>Silicium01: any error?
18:00<Silicium01>nothing happens
18:01<amphi>not quite; but no error is good
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18:01<amphi>you can confgure the wireless with iwconfig, and then do dhclient wlan0 or use ifconfig to configure the interface manually
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18:01<amphi>if you use wpa, you'll want wpa_supplicant
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18:03<Silicium01>amphi, found some instructions using module-asisstant and madwifi drivers, will give it a try
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18:03<_bivio>If i wanted to switch from Ubuntu to Debian Lenny, could i just change my apt sources.list to point to Lenny? and run dist upgrade?
18:03<amphi>Silicium01: you already have the drivers, it would seem
18:04<ml|>Silicium01: what did you settle with?
18:04<amphi>Silicium01: otherwise those ifconfig commands would not have worked, or shown the iface
18:04<Silicium01>ml|, gnome for now
18:04<ml|>cool just wondering
18:04<kingsley>_bivio: I don't know if your plan would work, but I doubt it.
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18:05<monoglets>can you help me ?
18:05<ml|>_bivio: no
18:05<ml|>!ask
18:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org, or <htasq>
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18:05<ml|>!tell _bivio -about debian
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18:07<ml|>!br
18:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:07<ml|>monoglets: might want to try ^^^
18:08<monoglets>I have a problem with joystick analog usb ; I'm running Debian lenny and he not recognize the joystick
18:08<monoglets>ml|: can you help me?
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18:09<Silicium01>amphi, it looks lik device is there, the networking widget showed up, but won't list networks
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18:09<kingsley>_bivio: You might be interested in http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/the-unthinkable-moving-from-ubuntu-to-debian-5-lenny/
18:09<ml|>monoglets: sry i can't help with your problem read what dpkg said about ask and br channel
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18:13<monoglets><ml|> dpkg not need dpkg to recognize the joystick... i try to make modules but not worked
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18:13<ml|>monoglets: I meant here in this channel
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18:14<amphi>Silicium01: what does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' say?
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18:15<monoglets><ml|> why can`t say?
18:16<ml|>monoglets: ?
18:16<monoglets>I have a problem with joystick analog usb ; I'm running Debian lenny and he not recognize the joystick... i try to make modules but not worked
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18:17<_bivio>thanks all, look forward to using Debian.
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18:18<ml|>monoglets: just wait untill someone can help you
18:19<Silicium01>amphi, No scan results
18:19<amphi>Silicium01: hmm - so perhaps it isn't working so well
18:19<Silicium01>amphi, yeah :)
18:19<amphi>Silicium01: you could try removing and re-modprobing the module, and see what your logs say
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18:20<macdada>hi
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18:20<monoglets><ml|> are you boot?
18:21<ml|>no i'm not a bot or a boot ;)
18:21<ml|>dpkg: hi
18:21<dpkg>bonjour
18:21<ml|>:)
18:21<macdada>i installed a game server (using command sh linuxq3apoint-1.32b.x86.run) but now i want to remove it.
18:21<ml|>dpkg: is the bot
18:21<dpkg>ml|: wish i knew
18:21<macdada>how can i do that?
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18:21<macdada>do i only need to remove the catalog?
18:22<macdada>i mean folder=catalog
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18:22<macdada>sry for my englih ;)
18:23<ml|>if you know the name use find or locate and remove it
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18:24<enouf>macdada: see if the .run came with an .uninstall or similar - or has that option
18:24<macdada>the game is in /GRY/q3server/ - do I only need to remove this folder? i tried aptitude but i dont see anything like quake there...
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18:25<enouf>macdada: we don't have .run crap
18:25<ml|>macdada: try what enouf said or just rm it
18:25<amphi>heh, the man with the silver tongue
18:26<ml|>lol
18:26<enouf>:-
18:26<amphi>eewww
18:26<enouf>wow .. did that character even appear for anyone else? it's invisible here :-P
18:27<enouf>þ
18:27<enouf>better
18:27<Silicium01>is there a way to restart wireless driver?
18:27<streuner_>sure
18:27<streuner_>rmmod
18:27<streuner_>or just reboot
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18:28<streuner_>why do you think that make any sense at all?
18:28<amphi>Silicium01: modprobe -r <module_name> && modprobe <module_name>
18:28<Silicium01>I dont know
18:28<Silicium01>what is the module name?
18:28<amphi>streuner_: so he can see any messages it may spew into the logs
18:28<streuner_>run lsmod and find out
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18:29<enouf>$ basename `readlink -f /sys/class/net/<IFACE-NAME>/device/driver/module/`
18:29<macdada>enouf: the installer file was downloaded from here: http://www.quakeunity.com/file=1763
18:29<enouf>oh .. or lspci -k
18:29<enouf>:-)
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18:30<streuner_>enough(f) :-)
18:30<enouf>macdada: that's nice - google, or read about uninstalling it
18:30<macdada>i tried to google "uninstall quake server debian linuxq3apoint" but i didnt find anything usefull...
18:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 412] by debhelper
18:31<amphi>enouf: nice
18:31<enouf>streuner_: it needs to be pci based wifi for the lspci -k to be of value
18:31<Silicium01>how do I install prper kernel headers?
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18:40<Silicium01>amphi, madwifi driver worked, I now have wireless!!!! sweet
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18:42<enouf>amphi: lspci -k?
18:42<enouf>install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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18:55<monoglets>I have a problem with joystick analog usb ; I'm running Debian lenny and he not recognize the joystick... i try to make modules but not worked
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18:56<goodger_>pursuant to my earlier webcam question, I was pointed to https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/ov511-webcam-and-v4l-42975/ --- attempting to modprobe ov518_decomp doesn't work --- no such module. any hints? :/
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19:07<bmruze>Is there anyone here who happens to know a bit about php? I'm knew to php and am having a problem finding recent information that will help with security.
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19:18*bremner must not say "don't use php"
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19:19<bmruze>don't use php :(
19:19<bremner>bmruze: all I know is that php4 is even worse than php5
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19:21<bmruze>using php 6
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19:21<themill>bremner: I was resisting "aptitude purge ~nphp"...
19:22<bremner>bmruze: I think if you want more than friendly abuse, you need to find the php channel (on freenode?)
19:23<themill>bmruze: I don't know how much knowledge people would have about security in php6 that isn't the same as php5 anyway.
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19:24<bmruze>Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it
19:25<locklace>thank you sir may i have another!
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19:26<ComradeHaz>Hi all, after some advice. I've given my girlfriend an account on my machine and what to be able to copy stuff into her home. What's teh best way to do this. Can I just add teh group that is 'me' to her folfder? If so, how do I do that?
19:27<ComradeHaz>*what -> want
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19:55<spikes>anyone, i am trying to mount my /tmp folder in to ram tmpfs anyone know how?
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19:57<ottto>prueba con:/server irc.debian.org
19:57<ottto>perdón
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20:15<RedMaw>hey, can anyone tell me where I can configure my displays? The option isn't where it was with my old distro
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20:26<aardvarX>if you are using gnome, system/admin
20:32<RedMaw>yeah it's gnome, but there isn't anything under system/admin
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20:37<aardvarX>i don't use gnome myself, you could try installing urandr
20:38<RedMaw>going to have to look that up first, thanks
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20:42<aardvarX>debian might not have urandr, but it should have xrandr
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20:42<rickbot>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome-randr-applet
20:43<aardvarX>there is grandr it looks like
20:44<RedMaw>thanks
20:44<rickbot>yeah, no xrandr.. thought it would be there
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20:45<aardvarX>grandr aught to do it
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20:46<rickbot>ah, its part of x11-xserver-utils
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20:51<RedMaw>hmm, grandr wont' apply settings since "user set screen size larger then max screen size" even though I didn't change the res
20:52<RedMaw>work on this later, thanks for the help
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20:58<kampasky_>Hmm, dpatch seems confused - dpatch apply-all won't apply my patches, but dpatch apply ... and explicitly enumerating them will. Any clues what might be the trouble?
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21:02<dmoerner>kampasky_, is something wrong with your 00list file?
21:02<montel>hey would you guys either pick virtualbox or vm server?
21:04<Ikarus>kvm
21:04<kampasky_>dmoerner: hmm, there's none..
21:04<kampasky_>forgot about that
21:04<kampasky_>can dpatch create that for me in some circumstances?
21:04<kampasky_>it looked helpful so i tried to rely on it :(
21:05<kampasky_>apparently, dpatch-edit-patch requires -0
21:05<dmoerner>kampasky_, yes, that is correct
21:06<kampasky_>*sigh*
21:06<kampasky_>well, thanks :)
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21:26<kampasky_>how can I make source package from whatever dh_make produced?
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21:27<ed_debian>Does anybody know a good way to search the repos via command line?
21:28<fretless>apt-cache search
21:29<kampasky_>oh I was using dpkg-source -b the wrong way around, nm
21:29<bremner>ed_debian: also, check out apt-file, and ept-cache
21:30<fretless>or aptitude search
21:30<ed_debian>thank you ! bremner and fretless
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21:40<mxldr>yo, this is a hella n00b question, but i made a website- how do i change the path of the links?
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21:43<mxldr>!permasunday
21:43<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html
21:44<mxldr>yo, this is a hella n00b question, but i made a website- how do i change the path of the links? like make a link to ./foo go to someotherdomain.com/foo
21:44<mxldr>feel my stuggles?
21:45<dr|z3d>mxldr: Redirects, however you choose to implement them.
21:46<Zviper>how can i tell if simplexml is already installed in my php install?
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21:46<mxldr>how do i redirect?
21:47<dr|z3d>Zviper: Google for phpinfo file and run that on your server. Will enumerate php options.
21:47<mxldr>i dont have php
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21:47<mxldr>i have to do this with just html
21:47<mxldr>is there like <docbase = domaniwant> or smth?
21:47<dr|z3d>You can add some apache directives. Or you could use meta-refresh/javascript. 2 examples.
21:47<mxldr>i cant add apache directives
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21:48<dr|z3d>mxldr: Google for metarefresh html
21:50<mxldr>no, is there anyway for "local" links to go somewhere else?
21:50<mxldr>i dont want to refresh
21:51<Zviper>ok i did a phpinfo, i don't see any signs of simplexml, where would it fall under?
21:51<Zviper>oh nevermind i didn't scroll down far enoug
21:51<Zviper>h
21:51<dr|z3d>mxldr: Do the google search.
21:52<dr|z3d>Or don't. Therein is your solution.
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21:54<mxldr>i read the thing about metarefresh- how do i do what i need to do?
21:55<mxldr>dr|z3d: how do i make metarefresh do what i need to do?"
21:56<dr|z3d>http://www.pageresource.com/html/metref.htm
21:56<dr|z3d>Reading helps.
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22:02<crowkrypt>i need
22:02<crowkrypt>help
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22:02<crowkrypt>reconozig ricohsd
22:02<crowkrypt> lestor
22:02<aardvarX>whats
22:02<aardvarX>wrong
22:02<crowkrypt>install driver
22:03<jhonyyy90>excuse the question, which is a channel in Spanish
22:03<crowkrypt> Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22)
22:04<crowkrypt>on hp pavillion dv6921la
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22:05<seeker>is it really true that microsoft stuff like sql server etc will work on a debian os
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22:07<aardvarX>seeker, who says sql is microsoft's
22:09<ed_debian>seeker, sql is proprietary idk who owns it but who cares
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22:10<ed_debian>mySQL is open source :) and yes it runs on debian os
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22:15<kingsley>What does the red word "[security]" mean when it's shown after a package listed at packages.debian.org?
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22:16<dr|z3d>Free icecream, kingsley.
22:17<dr|z3d>A security update is one which is related to security. In other words, the safety of your system.
22:17<bcw>i think it means that package comes from the security.debian.org repository
22:17<bcw>which is a security update, like dr|z3d says
22:18<kingsley>OK. Thanks.
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22:19<bcw>to get those packages, you should have a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that mentions security.debian.org
22:19<f_9>hello
22:20<bcw>(which you probably do, unless you've messed with it)
22:20<bcw>hello f_9
22:20<f_9>hey bcw how are you
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22:21<bcw>i'm fine, thanks.
22:21<bcw>you?
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22:25<bcw>actually, i do have a problem: debian etch had fonts for almost every character, but lenny seems to have fewer. i suppose it was split into a package for those who need it, but i like to have something other than a box with hexadecimal show up for any character.
22:26<bcw>is there any package i can install which will give fonts for most characters?
22:28<ranix>apt-cache search fonts ?
22:28<ranix>perhaps verify you are using unicode in your terminals
22:29<ranix>i.e. lang=utf-8 or uxterm rather than xterm
22:30<bcw>yeah, "echo $LANG" gives en_US.UTF-8. i'm using gnome-terminal.
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22:31<bcw>"apt-cache search fonts" gives a lot of packages, is there not a metapackage that pulls them all in?
22:31<bcw>(or most, anyway?)
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22:31<marga>bcw: there are a LOT of fonts.
22:31<marga>bcw: it's not really common to what ALL of them.
22:32<marga>bcw: what type of fonts are you looking for?
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22:32<bcw>marga, yes, true.. actually, i don't want all fonts, i just want at least one font for each character
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22:32<marga>bcw: uhm... That's a hard one.
22:33<nick_>I have the build-essential package but am missing some utilities like autoconf and assourted programs as well as gdb. Is there a package I can feed to apt-get to get all of the rest of the stuff and libs and libs for developement?
22:34<bcw>marga, etch seemed to have one. i remember using xchat and gnome's Character Map on etch, and it almost never gave me boxes w/hex codes..
22:34<marga>bcw: I know that Deja vu has a good coverage of UTF-8
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22:34<marga>bcw: are you using Deja vu?
22:35<marga>nick_: I can't think of any package like that.
22:35<marga>nick_: the normal thing to do is to apt-get build-dep package, where package is what you want to build.
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22:37<bcw>marga, i'm not, but in etch even the fixed-width fonts that xchat uses seemed to have a glyph for every symbol. it seems to me that something changed btw. etch and lenny in that area, i was just wondering what happened.
22:37<marga>There's a Deja Vu Mono
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22:38<bcw>marga, i see... i'll try that, thanks
22:40<nick_>I am trying to install all of the version control systems so far I have cvs client and server svn client and server and git client and server I heard there were others what ones am I missing?
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22:40<marga>nick_: there are tons... darcs, arch, bzr, baz, mercurial...
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22:45<nick_>what one is the simplest client and server to use and manage?
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22:46<nick_>is cvs pritty simple to use?
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22:47<dmoerner>i would definitely use a distributed vcs
22:47<bcw>nick_, that's like asking whether apples or oranges taste better. but svn is newer than cvs, so some people think it's better designed for today's problems
22:47<Guest1615>hola
22:47<Guest1615>alguien en línea
22:48<dr|z3d>!es
22:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:07<bcw>is Monospace a synonym for DejaVu Sans Mono? (they look very similar)
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23:08<bcw>how do font names get mapped to font files?
23:08<bcw>(in X)
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23:14<marga>bcw: I think that Deja Vu Sans Mono is also Monospace, yes.
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23:14<Hessophanes>bcw: fonts.dir?
23:14<marga>bcw: no idea about the other question, though, but you can find the files under /usr/share/fonts/truetype
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23:15<bcw>marga, ok, thanks. (i saw the files, but...)
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23:16<bcw>brb
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23:19<HIU>hola
23:19<HIU>alguien en línea
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23:20<HIU>speak spanish
23:22<HIU>hola
23:22<HIU>alguien en línea
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23:22<bcw>(looks like the font names are embedded in the font files themselves)
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23:22<bcw>!es
23:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:39<humberto>hi
23:39<humberto>goog evening
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23:42<bcw>Hessophanes, i didn't appreciate what you said until just now. (thought you just meant the fonts directory itself) but i don't see anything like DejaVu Sans Mono in there.
23:44<Hessophanes>You just asked what links font names and the files they come from, and I just pointed out that mkfontdir assembles the font names from all files in a directory and writes them to fonts.dir.
23:44<Hessophanes>But that's not the whole truth for ttf files...
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23:47<bcw>can't say i understand that process completely, but $ locate fonts.dir | xargs cat - | grep 'DejaVu Sans Mono' gives no output
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23:49<Hessophanes>Neither does it here, but you if you run ttmkfdir and mkfontdir in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu and then add that path to your X font path (xset fp+, xset fp rehash), they should appear in xlsfonts.
23:50<Hessophanes>(The two commands will generate fonts.scale and fonts.dir files in truetype font directories, respectively.)
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23:51<bcw>ok, but where do the font names get written?
23:51<Hessophanes>ttmkfdir/mkfontdir scan the current directory and write their output files there, unless you tell them to behave differently.
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23:58<bcw>maybe i'm confusing how gnome and X itself handle fonts.... i'm really wondering how gnome knows the fonts' proper/capitalized names, it seems; mkfontdir(1) says it lowercases the name, and xlsfonts shows them that way, but gnome appears to know better
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