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---Logopened Tue May 12 00:00:00 2009
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00:06<shze>I tried to install distcc, but debian repos only have old version, that do not support pump-mode. what is the best way get the new version packaged?
00:06<shze>file it as wish in the bts?
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00:08<shze>oh, its already there :)
00:08<shze>(the with in the bts)
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00:08<shze>wish*
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00:29<Helpme>hi
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00:29<Helpme>i upgraded to Lenny and i had plesk installed
00:29<Helpme>how do i recover my plesk, i still have the parallels dir
00:31<Helpme>gravity
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00:32<chealer>Helpme: what do you mean by "recovering a plesk"?
00:33<Helpme>well i think i lost it when i updated to lenny
00:33<Helpme>i had plesk 9.0 installed
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00:33<Helpme>and now after the update it won't load
00:34<Helpme>like do i have to install it again?
00:34<Helpme>or should it be there?
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00:37<chealer>Helpme: what do you mean "it won't load"?
00:38<Helpme>well i go to my-server-ip:8443
00:38<Helpme>and its not in there
00:38<Helpme>;S
00:39<gravity>Helpme: I'm sorry, I don't know anything about plesk to help you I'm afraid.
00:39<Helpme>ouch, its ok
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00:49<chealer>Helpme: what do you mean by "its not in there"?
00:50<Helpme>well it won't load
00:50<Helpme>http://my-server-ip:8443
00:50<Helpme>but if i try to download the plesk packages in my box it says 0 newly installed
00:50<Helpme>meanning that i have it installed
00:50<Helpme>but i don't know how to start it again
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00:51<Helpme>got any clue about how to solve this chealer?
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00:52<drakeman>gravity: thanks for the info about runlevels, i read a little more and solve my doubts about it... thanks.
00:52<kingsley>Is there a general consensus that mysql is better than postgresql, or vica versa?
00:52<chealer>Helpme: my-server-ip isn't a valid domain. we can't see the location you're talking about
00:53<Helpme>... im replacing it with MY SERVER's IP
00:53<Helpme>that is how you access your parallel plesk Control panel
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00:56<Helpme>chealer?
00:58<chealer>Helpme: yeah, well we don't know your server's IP address. "it won't load", "its not in there" and again "it won't load" gives a pretty vague idea of your problem. do you understand the basic working of an HTTP server?
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00:59<Helpme>Firefox can't establish a connection to the server
00:59<Helpme>thats the message i get
00:59<Helpme>meanning its not up
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01:02<chealer>Helpme: so is the HTTP server up or not?
01:02<Helpme>i don't think so
01:02<Helpme>how do i find it out?
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01:05<chealer>Helpme: which HTTP server do you use?
01:06<Helpme>i have no idea ;/
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01:08<Helpme>is there any way to find it out chealer?
01:09<chealer>Helpme: could it be apache?
01:09<Helpme>oh yes its apache as a matter of fact
01:09<Helpme>>.>
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01:09<chealer>Helpme: is apache running?
01:10<Helpme>www-data 7901 0.0 0.3 23396 3380 ? S 00:48 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta
01:10<Helpme>www-data 7904 0.0 0.4 24144 4756 ? S 00:48 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta
01:10<Helpme>www-data 7907 0.0 0.4 24144 4368 ? S 00:48 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta
01:10<Helpme>www-data 7909 0.0 0.4 24144 4368 ? S 00:48 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta
01:10<Helpme>www-data 7911 0.0 0.4 24144 4368 ? S 00:48 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k sta
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01:10<Helpme>ups sorry
01:11<Helpme>did you get that? ;p
01:11<Helpme>apparently its runnning
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01:12<debam>hi to all,which is best webmail software for mailserver.
01:13<chealer>Helpme: is apache listening on the port?
01:13<Helpme>how do i find out that?
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01:14<drakeman>type /etc/init.d/apache status (to see if runing)
01:15<Helpme>localhost:~# /etc/init.d/apache status
01:15<Helpme>-bash: /etc/init.d/apache: No such file or directory
01:16<jm_>init script is called apache2 for apache2
01:16<drakeman>yes. sorry
01:16<drakeman>type /etc/init.d/apache2 status (to see if runing)
01:16<drakeman>try with apache 2
01:16<drakeman>without the space
01:16<jm_>netstat -nap|grep apache
01:17<Helpme>localhost:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 status
01:17<Helpme>Apache is running (pid 2308)..
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01:21<chealer>Helpme: you can look at the configuration, or check open ports (with netstat)
01:21<Helpme>so what do i put to do that?
01:23<drakeman>mmm what do you want to know helpme?
01:23<Helpme>well you see drakeman
01:23<Helpme>i had parallel plesk installed
01:23<Helpme>but today i upgraded to debian lenny
01:23<Helpme>and after the upgrade plesk wasn't running any more
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01:28<chealer>Helpme: # netstat -tln|grep :8443
01:29<Helpme>nothing
01:31<Helpme>the weird thing chealer is that if i go to the ip without the :8443 i get
01:31<Helpme>Web Server's Default Page
01:31<Helpme>This page is generated by Parallels Plesk Panel, the leading hosting automation software. You see this page because there is no Web site at this address.
01:31<Helpme>but its weird that i can't get into my cp :<
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01:32<chealer>Helpme: so there's no HTTP server on 8443.
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01:34<Helpme>how do i enable it sir?
01:39<Helpme>chealer?
01:39<chealer>Helpme: depends on what is "it". if it is apache, then it needs to be configured... if it is plesk, I have no idea (I don't know Plesk)
01:40<Helpme>its apache yes
01:40<drakeman>exactly, but apache is runing.
01:40<Helpme>h
01:40<Helpme>well
01:40<Helpme>i have both
01:40<drakeman>and helpme says that he can se the plesk start page
01:40<Helpme>apache and plesk
01:44<Helpme>so got any suggestions drakeman / chealer?
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01:45<chealer>Helpme: assuming it's apache, make sure it's configured to listen on 8443 (and actually serve what you expect)
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01:48<Helpme>how do i make sure chealer
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01:49<chealer>Helpme: look at apache's configuration, follow the instructions to configure your HTTP server for Plesk if there are or use whatever program plesk provides to do that
01:50<chealer>- if there is one
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01:54<Helpme>i dont know how to
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02:02<Helpme>got any suggestions at all?
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02:10<chealer>Helpme: which server did you use in etch?
02:10<Helpme>yes
02:10<Helpme>and i upgraded to lenny
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02:41<etbe>I've just upgraded myu EeePC 701 to Squeeze and now X won't recognise my mouse. I'm using the Lenny kernel and gpm accepts the mouse so I know it's not a hardware or kernel driver issue. Any suggestions?
02:42<jm_>did you check the logfile?
02:43<etbe>As an aside, Google is painful to use with Lynx, is there a better text mode web browser?
02:43<jm_>google painful? that's as simple as it can get ;)
02:44<etbe>jm_: The only message related to a mouse in the xorg.0.log file is "Silken mouse enabled"
02:45<etbe>jm_: Lynx keeps prompting me about whether to accept cookies, "Always" doesn't seem to mean much to it. The layout on a 80*25 screen isn't too good either.
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02:45<jm_>etbe: try links or w3m -- as for mouse, is there anything else input related? what's in your xorg.conf?
02:47<etbe>jm_: It's almost entirely empty. it seems that xorg is figuring out how to do almost everything by itself. The InputDevice section for the moue only has Identifier "Configured Mouse" and Driver "mouse"
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02:48<jm_>etbe: right, that's normal these days - does it help if you stop gpm? otherwise you need to add mouse section by hand and try with that
02:49<etbe>jm_: No, in fact I disabled gpm and rebooted the machine without it - just to be sure.
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02:51<etbe>links is significantly better than lynx. Thanks for that tip.
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02:52<jm_>etbe: ahh how about this? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/ElantechTouchpad
02:53<jm_>seems to go the way I mentioned - manually editing
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02:59<chealer>Helpme: that was not a yes/no question... *which* server did you use in etch?
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03:00<etbe>jm_: I tried pasting that secion og xorg.conf in but it gavethe same result. It seems unlikely to me that it could be a hardware issue as I';m using the same kernel that worked with Lenny user-space.
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03:02<jm_>etbe: well how about if you use gpm repeater and configure X to sue that then? or ask in #debian-eeepc
03:02<jm_>use*
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03:09<etbe>ok, I'll give that a go, thanks
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03:10<Supaplex>chealer: cheetos
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03:12*Supaplex gobbles down a bean and cheese burrito
03:13<drakeman>hey guys, how i can set in my sudoers file if i want a user can run all options for a command, for example i put Cmnd_alias SHUTDOWN = /usr/bin/shutdown , but, when i assign SHUTDOWN to the user, the user cant run sudo shutdown -l for example.....
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03:14<Supaplex>with a regex. = /usr/bin/shutdown.* perhaps?
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03:15<drakeman>Supaplex: let my try it inmediatly, thanks.
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03:16<chealer>Supaplex: cheetos...that's not the HTTP server he's using, is it?
03:17<drakeman>Supaplex: i put /usr/bin/shutdown.* but it doesnt work. cannot run sudo shutdown -l
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03:18<Supaplex>ahh. man sudoers. see Exceptions to wildcard rules
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03:19<Supaplex>chealer: random nonsense to thward "etch" or "lenny" type questions. :) heh
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03:19<drakeman>i already check it, but let me read again.
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03:20<Yoda-BZH`Wk>plop/hi
03:20<jm_>drakeman: it lets you use any arguments unless you restrict them
03:21<drakeman>mm, no i cant, i got, Sorry, user drakeman is not allowed to execute '/sbin/shutdown -l' as root on drake.
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03:22<Supaplex>hah. /usr/bin/ != /sbin/
03:22<jm_>well your sudoers line is wrong then
03:22<Supaplex>try ls /usr/bin/shutdown and see why Cmnd_alias SHUTDOWN is of no use.
03:22<Supaplex>then, use which shutdown, and see why sudo yelled about /sbin/shutdown.
03:25<drakeman>grr.. im ashame
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03:27<drakeman>thanks Supaplex, and jm_
03:28<Supaplex>:) the simple things will always bite back. :-/
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03:30<jstein>hi, how can i find out, wich debian package (testing) comes with the file siunitx.sty
03:30<Maulkin>!search
03:30<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.
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03:32<jstein>apt-cache search siunitx.sty responds with 0 lines
03:33<Supaplex>!apt-file
03:33<dpkg>methinks apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
03:34<jm_>jstein: if you read what dpkg said, you'd notice it mentions several methods
03:35<jstein>but they answer with "Sorry, your search gave no results" and similar :(
03:35<jm_>which tool?
03:36<jstein>http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=siunitx.sty&mode=exactfilename&suite=testing&arch=any
03:36<Supaplex>well, what if it doesn't exist in debian?
03:36<jm_>always an option
03:37<jstein>i was shure i have installed it at home
03:37<jstein>but i want to install it at work now too and dont find it... seems i have to run a texhash and so on manually
03:38<jm_>SIunits.sty maybe
03:38<jm_>i.e. texlive-science package
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03:39<jstein>SIunits.sty is a different package. not as good as siunitx
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03:42<Supaplex>try a different search, based on something else that might match the stuff you're looking for.
03:44<jstein>but thank you for your time. i 'll install manually now. I'll copy the ! search hint to my personal doc
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03:46<drakeman>Supaplex if im running squeeze, and when i run apt-get upgrade, i got a message that says 91 not upgrade, should i run apt-get -u dist-upgrade? to update to the latest squeez release?
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03:47<drakeman>if u run the dist upgrade command i get this 91 upgraded, 79 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
03:47<drakeman>should i run this?
03:48<drakeman>to get the latest versions?
03:48<Supaplex>with caution.
03:48<Supaplex>!bts
03:48<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>.
03:48<drakeman>anything can go wrong?
03:48<Supaplex>yup
03:49<Supaplex>testing is meant for developers, or those who can manage complications it can create.
03:49<drakeman>but debian release a new testing cd every week, if i run the upgrade im would be getting the latest packages from the latest debian testing image?
03:49<Supaplex>if it's suppose to be reliable, we call it stable.
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03:50<drakeman>cause im runing testing and everything is fine
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03:51<Supaplex>if I say upgrade, it'll be fine, and one thing breaks, you have every right to get upset at me. So to avoid that, and answer your question as you've presented it, "with caution" is the best I can offer.
03:51<Supaplex>!testing
03:51<dpkg>[testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and as <lenny> has only just been released, squeeze users are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. Ask me about <testing faq><lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target><dda><apt-listchanges><bts>.
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03:53<drakeman>hehe
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03:53<Supaplex>it works for a lot of people, but it's been known to break painfully for plenty too.
03:53<drakeman>ahhhhh, i dont know what to do
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03:54<drakeman>hhaha
03:54<Supaplex>!apt-listbugs
03:54<dpkg>apt-listbugs (aptitude install apt-listbugs) is available since at least Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to prevent upgrades to any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>).
03:55<Supaplex>with that, you can hold off packages you find scarry bugs on. testing is aged just enough, that a lot of bugs can be avoided. there's a holding period of about 10 days (I don't recall exactly) before the sid package can be migrated to testing (with no critical bugs, and other criteria)
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03:56<locklace>yep, 10 days, and the dependencies have to be sane
03:56<drakeman>mm
03:57<drakeman>i installed this install apt-listbugs, is a list of known bugs?
03:57<locklace>!apt-listchanges
03:57<dpkg>[apt-listchanges] a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It's well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>.
03:57<locklace>also
03:57<Supaplex>it'll fetch bugs from bts and show you them.
03:58<EmleyMoor>drakeman: It alerts you to bugs in packages you are about to install - giving you the chance to hold off if you will be affected
03:58<Supaplex>hence, listbugs. :)
03:58<drakeman>how i see it?
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03:58<EmleyMoor>drakeman: Your package tool will pause and show you
03:58<Supaplex>it'll let you confirm before it's installed.
03:58<EmleyMoor>(synaptic does at least)
03:58<drakeman>oh oh ok... ohh, nice!
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03:59<Supaplex>I know it integrates with commandline use, not sure about the gui-ish ones.
03:59<Supaplex>eg, aptitude install ... apt-get install ...
03:59<drakeman>yes, i use it...
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04:01<drakeman>or aptitude safe-upgrade :)
04:01<Supaplex>*nod*
04:01<drakeman>?nod?
04:02*Supaplex nods his head "yes"
04:02<Supaplex>it's a gesture...
04:02<Supaplex>like, non verbal agreement
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04:04<drakeman>sorry, im not an english expert. hehe
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04:04<Supaplex>~confuse drakeman
04:04<Supaplex>!confuse drakeman
04:04<dpkg>Yes, how was my pineapple tomorrow, drakeman? lederhosen of the people's republic of mongolia with extra crabpaste
04:04<Supaplex>that's okay. :)
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04:05<drakeman>:)
04:05<oddtod>hey guys i was wondering how i could tell what sata contorler i have
04:05<drakeman>lspci
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04:08<drakeman>spci | grep Serial\ ATA
04:08<drakeman>lspci | grep Serial\ ATA
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04:09<EmleyMoor>lspci | grep SATA
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04:09<oddtod>thank you guys
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04:10<drakeman>you welcome!
04:10<Supaplex>you're welcome. we will send you the bill.
04:10<drakeman>hahahahaa
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04:10<drakeman>billing address pleasee..
04:11<Supaplex>and no, we will not send the bill to ::1
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04:12<Supaplex>drakeman: do you think oddtod's billing address is 174-18-254-241.tcso.qwest.net?
04:12<Supaplex></grin>
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04:12<drakeman>heheeh... yep!!! haha
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04:13<drakeman>http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=174.18.254.241
04:13<drakeman>:)
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04:16<drakeman>[03:13] <-- oddtod has left this channel. <---- Running scared!
04:16<drakeman>is your fault Supaplex!
04:16<Supaplex>he's already in default. send him to collections.
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04:18<drakeman>hey you are from usa supaplex?
04:18<Supaplex>I am a yankeeastanian
04:19<drakeman>heyy, nice, then you know mariano rivera :D
04:19<drakeman>well only if you like baseballl
04:20<Supaplex>negatory. sorry :)
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04:21<drakeman>im from Panama, not panmaa city in usa, Panama in central america
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04:22<Supaplex>home of the oversized canal.
04:23<drakeman>yeahh!..
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04:44<drakeman>anyone here uses acetoneiso?
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04:46<remoteCTR1>hi guys!
04:46<drakeman>hi
04:46<EmleyMoor>Not heard of it
04:46<remoteCTR1>is there a version of catalyst-control-center for debian somewhere in the repos with a different name?
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04:47<drakeman>mmm, the only catalyst i know is the one that comes with ati drivers in ati.amd.com
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04:47<remoteCTR1>drakeman, ok, thanks for that
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04:48<remoteCTR1>how is it with those drivers from ati.com should i install those or am i gonna mess up my system with that?
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04:49<drakeman>well i had an ati card before, i use the drivers downloaded from ati and i dont had any problems... but now i have an nvidia card.
04:50<drakeman>im going to sleep :D
04:50<drakeman>3.50am
04:50<remoteCTR1>drakeman, just a sec pls
04:50<drakeman>aha?
04:50<remoteCTR1>drakeman, if i install those i need to compile the to fit into the kernel, right? meaning on next kernel update they are gone?
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04:52<jm_>remoteCTR1: read the wiki
04:52<jm_>!ati
04:52<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>.
04:52<drakeman>http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html
04:52<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
04:52<remoteCTR1>ah yeah, thanks guys!
04:52<drakeman>hehe the bot is great
04:52<remoteCTR1>sure is!
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04:52<remoteCTR1>very well treianed
04:52<drakeman>yeppp!
04:53<remoteCTR1>oopps trained was that supposed to mean
04:53<remoteCTR1>so sleep well then drakeman
04:53<drakeman>well, im going to put away and going to sleep.....
04:53<drakeman>good night... be back tomorrow at 9.am
04:53<drakeman>:D
04:53<remoteCTR1>night!
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04:55<Supaplex>is there a way to confgure that newly installed packages should not start daemons until i'm ready to configure them?
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04:57<jm_>Supaplex: man invoke-rc.d - section about policy
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05:13<remoteCTR1>jm_, still there?
05:13<jm_>remoteCTR1: yes
05:13<cwe_kalem>dfhjjjjjjjjj
05:13<cwe_kalem>yes
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05:14<remoteCTR1>jm_, following question: if i compile the driver with the module-assistant, do i have to repeat this everytime i do a kernel update or does it do that automagically then?
05:14<jm_>remoteCTR1: you need to do it manually
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05:14<remoteCTR1>jm_ no way to get this automated?
05:16<jm_>remoteCTR1: not that I know
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05:18<llutz>wouldn't dkms do that "automagic"?
05:18<themill>yeah, one day
05:19<remoteCTR1>works perfectly in ubuntu why not in debian?*g*
05:21<jm_>ubuntu automatically runs m-a?
05:21<ghantoos>remoteCTR1: in ubuntu, you would have to run m-a evrytime you update your kernel version too
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05:21<remoteCTR1>jm_, i dunno what exactly it runs but dkms makes sure you still got the driver once you uipdate that kernel
05:21<jm_>it sounded too good to be true
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05:23<themill>There are some kernel modules that are hooking into dkms now that it is in debian... yes, the idea is that it will manage that for you.
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05:30<micha-->hi, i am in trouble with the new udev: the boot process runs up to "waiting for /dev/ to be fully populated" and stops there for quite some time. i tried a hard reboot, which led to a row of fsck error messages: the hard disks at /dev/hd* couldnt be found anymore. now i did a clean reboot from the emergency root shell, an it is back at populating /dev
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05:31<azeem>what is a hard reboot compared to a clean reboot?
05:31<micha-->strange enough, i am booting from /dev/hda1
05:31<jm_>doesn't it give you shell where you can inspect things after it fails to mount /?
05:32<micha-->azeem: first i pushed the reset switch on the box, the second time i typed reboot on the shell
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05:33<micha-->jm_: yes, but it couldnt find any devices in /dev/hd* then, so it was obvious why fsck would complain about not finding a superblock
05:33<jm_>micha--: then check if it's loading the drivers for your hardware
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05:35<micha-->jm_ okay, how do i do that? right now it hangs again... another hard reset?
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05:37<jm_>micha--: is keyboard working? if so it's probably just waiting for a timeout - you can change it via kernel parameter
05:37<jm_>micha--: man initramfs-tools
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05:38<micha-->the last succesful message is about starting INIT 2.86, then there is a message about starting udevd and some messages from iscan about a missing GOTO target, but that is followed with a "Done." so it doesn
05:38<micha--> seem to be the culprit
05:39<micha-->i have some scanner drivers from epson installed, the iscan package, but it seems to get over that
05:39<jm_>maybe your udev rules are hosed
05:40<micha-->jm_ probably
05:40<micha-->now the timeout has happened
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05:40<micha-->again i am getting error messages from fsck because it couldnt find the hard disks
05:40<jm_>micha--: compare your rules against those in the package, move unknown stuff out of the way, rebuild initrd and try again
05:41<jm_>yeah now you can check if drivers are loaded etc.
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05:42<micha-->okay, thats weird: sound and networking modules are loaded, nothing else
05:46<micha-->so what driver is needed for an old ide disk? i tried loading libata, but it said "no dock devices found"
05:47<jm_>naah you need the chipset driver
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05:49<micha-->jm_ i think i built that into the kernel, what should it look like?
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05:49<jm_>micha--: ahh so it's a custom kernel - do you know which chipset you have?
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05:50<micha-->jm_
05:50<micha-->its an old amd chipset, 760 or something like that
05:51<jm_>micha--: check if you have amd74xx or pata_amd drivers
05:52<micha-->jm_ okay
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05:57<micha-->jm_ couldnt find it... i think i built that into the kernel
05:57<jm_>micha--: then look in your kernel config
05:57<micha-->where would you look for that drivers?
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05:59<micha-->jm_: config_blk_dev_amd74xx=y
05:59<micha-->i think that means it is in the kernel, right?
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06:00<jm_>micha--: yes, so check dmesg output to see what it says about your hardware
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06:03<debam>jm_ i am configuring postfix server but getting error as host or domain name not found
06:04<debam>main.cf and /etc/hosts contain same hostname
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06:06<jm_>debam: http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix
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06:07<micha-->jm_ AMD7409 DMA66 controller is reported, hda is reported as IBM ATA disk, hdb and hdc are found to be CD/DVD ATAPI drives, then there is some probing for DMA modes which is succesfully concluded by disabling DMA on hdb and enabling it for the others
06:07<jm_>micha--: ok, anything in /proc/partitions?
06:08<micha-->there are some error messages before hdb DMA is disabled, but the y have been there all the time
06:08<jm_>micha--: also ls /sys/block
06:09<micha-->yes, hda is divided into hda1-3, hda5-8
06:09<jm_>ok so it looks like it's really udev issue and your kernel seems fine
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06:09<tarzeau>does sauerbraten or any other 3d software work fast with lenny+debian kernel+debian nvidia glx driver stuff?
06:10<jm_>can't say about lenny kernel, but in general opengl stuff works good for me with nvidia driver
06:10<micha-->jm_ /sys/block has hda, hdb, hdc, fd0 and numerous ram disks
06:10<jm_>micha--: yup,looks fine then kernel wise
06:11<micha-->jm_ how do i go on then? should i boot from a rescue disk, mount / and clean up the udev config?
06:11<micha-->or can i do that while in the rescue system itself?
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06:13<jm_>micha--: yes, do it with a rescue medium
06:13<ajerbi>hello
06:13<jm_>micha--: in general you can mount / now and then exit and boot shall continue
06:15<micha-->jm_ i cant mount / now, because there is no block device /dev/hda1 in /dev
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06:17<jm_>micha--: you can create it manually
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06:19<micha-->what should i look for in the config? i had a look into /etc/udev, i didnt see a config file for ata, ide or sth like that. there is a file z60_hdparm.rules which calls hdparm hotplug and looks fine, as far as i understand it
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06:20<jm_>mknod /dev/hda1 b 3 1
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06:22<micha-->jm_
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06:23<micha-->thanks, should i do the same for the other partitions?
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06:23<jm_>micha--: you can fix that later if you don't need them for booting
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06:24<Paul1959>I have a standard install of Lenny plus LXDE on my EeePC. Wireless connection is intermittent. Before I install wpa_supplicant I'd like to find out what is 'controlling' wifi at present. How can I do this please (go easy...newcomer to Linux here :D)
06:24<micha-->jm_ okay, it has booted fine (except for missing /var and /usr)
06:24<jm_>micha--: ok so you *do* need them :)
06:25<jm_>Paul1959: as in which driver is used?
06:25<Paul1959>yes what driver and how it is configured
06:26<Paul1959>i see wireless-tools in my list of installed packages, would that be any use?
06:26<jm_>wait it's not configured yet at all?
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06:28<Paul1959>it worked fine for installing Debian and works most of the time. sometimes though it doesn't. as the machine hasd very limited resources i want to avoid unnecessary stuff. wpa_supplicant is the recommended thing to install but thought i'd try to fix it first without that (or at least see how it's set up so I can rewind if changes don't work)
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06:29<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi
06:30<Paul1959>i've been reading that jm_ but doesn't tell me how standard install is set up (at least i think it doesn't)
06:31<jm_>Paul1959: well check /etc/network/interfaces to start with
06:31<Paul1959>will do...thanks for the help!
06:33<jm_>Paul1959: also ask in eeepc channel
06:33<jm_>(#debian-eeepc)
06:34<Paul1959>ah, didn't knoew there was one...excellent thanks :D
06:34<micha-->jm_ how do i setup udev to create the IDE devices? I am looking into the README files on linux.org right now, but thats all rather general
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06:36<jm_>micha--: udev in Debian already has rules for this
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06:37<micha-->jm_ okay... i am pretty sure i have never touched the udev config, though
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06:39<micha-->the names of the .rules files in /etc/udev dont sound like they refer to IDE or harddisks, except for that hdparm hotplug thing i mentioned
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06:40<jm_>micha--: just compare them to what is in the package
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06:40<micha-->okay
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06:42<jm_>hmm I somehow remember there's a tool that makes this easy but its name is escaping me at the moment
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06:44<micha-->I tried dpkg, but obviously that is not in /bin -- how can i make devices for /usr and /var? /usr is /dev/hda7, /var is hda6, both are ext3
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06:45<jm_>just mknod them as earlier
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06:48<adema>hey got a question about useradd
06:50<adema>when nss is configured to use mysql as backend storage for user, is it possible that useradd create the new user in the mysql db instead of the putting a new line in /etc/shadow etc... ?
06:50<weasel>that's not what adduser and useradd do, no.
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06:51<adema>ok
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06:51<adema>weasel, so the right way is to manuaaly edit the db ?
06:52<weasel>or use some other tool, yes.
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06:57<jm_>adema: adduser can run your own script
06:57<jm_>i.e. read about /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local in the man page
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06:58<useruseruser>hi guys
06:58<adema>i'll take a look
06:58<useruseruser>i'm listening to phil collins do you remember
06:58<useruseruser>good song
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06:58<useruseruser>i like it
06:59<useruseruser>i think phil collins is talented singer/song writer if im not mistaken about the latter designation
06:59<useruseruser>did he write do you remember?
06:59<useruseruser>anyone know?
07:01*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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07:03<useruseruser>come on someone talk
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07:05<micha-->jm_ me again... i couldnt find obvious differences between the output of dpkg -L and the udev files installed, but of course i wasnt able to compare it all by hand. should i try reinstalling udev?
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07:05<jm_>micha--: we need to check contents - btw, are you using initrd with your custom kernel?
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07:06<micha-->no, i dont think so, im using an old lilo setup that somehow survived over the years
07:07<micha-->ah, google found it: debsums may verify the installed files against the package
07:07<micha-->will try that
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07:09<jm_>dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}' udev
07:09<jm_>yeah but config files are not in md5sums file
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07:10<useruseruser>i like phil collins
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07:10<petern>what song?
07:10<micha-->i tried debsums -a udev, that should check config files too, everything was OK, will try dpkg-query now
07:11<petern>oh, "do you remember",
07:11<petern>um
07:11*petern points himself to -offtopic
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07:13<jm_>micha--: right, debsums can do it too - did it report anything?
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07:15<micha-->jm_ debsums did report everything as okay, and dpkg-query didnt come up with file names debsums didnt find.
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07:17<micha-->just found a bug report that looks the same as my problem http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526365
07:18<micha-->obviously it is an iscan problem, i will try removing it
07:18<jm_>micha--: doh silly me, yes other packages place udev rules files in there and that can cause problems
07:18<jm_>good catch
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07:19<jm_>and I even remember this one because someone asked in here and we found the offending line ;)
07:19<micha-->sad to miss the good epson drivers, though
07:19<jawor>all ppl suck my balls
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07:20<jm_>micha--: that is realtively easy to fix though
07:20<micha-->do you think its possible to fix that line? without too much trouble?
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07:22<jm_>what does it say for you?
07:24<micha-->okay, i think it should be possible to change the last line of that config file from ..._begin to ..._end, probably a stupid typo.
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07:26<jawor>czesc
07:27<jawor>ma ktos chwilke zeby porozmawiac?
07:30<micha-->the makers of iscan seem to be aware of the problem: http://avasys.jp/hp/page000001300/hpg000001291.htm
07:30<themill>!pl
07:30<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
07:31<jawor>ok
07:33<jm_>micha--: right this isn't packaged then?
07:33<micha-->jm_ it is packaged by avasys on behalf of epson
07:33<jawor>any one from poland?
07:34<micha-->the epkowa drivers have been removed from sane-extras for some reason
07:34<jawor>i would like to talk about some problems with Iplus connection
07:34<jm_>micha--: I see
07:36<jawor>rofl no 1 from poland?
07:36<locklace>jawor: would you like to talk about them before or after, quote, "all ppl suck [your] balls"?
07:36<petemc>the cleaners in my building are all from poland
07:36<micha-->jm_ the window manager just showed up -- everything works fine now -- thank you very much for your help!
07:37<jawor>before sry for that it was my brother,he's 11 years old :(
07:37<enouf>jawor: no, nobody is from poland, not even polish people
07:37<micha-->jm_ do you know of a Wiki or something I could add my solution to?
07:37<jawor>thx dudes
07:37<jawor>for info
07:37<jm_>micha--: you can add it to the bugreport you found
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07:38<micha-->jm_ right...
07:38<jm_>micha--: you can do it via email
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07:45<micha-->jm_ will do that, thanks again :)
07:47<jm_>micha--: no worries
07:47<jm_>I didn't do anything anyway
07:47<useruseruser>hi guys
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07:49<useruseruser><jawor> all ppl suck my balls <-------- what is this?
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07:49<useruseruser>!!!!?
07:49<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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07:50<useruseruser>wow
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07:52<dkr>ha
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07:56<jesperj>I use Lenny. modprobe says "Module uvcvideo not found." when I try to insert it. How do I compile / make that module avaliable?
07:56<micha-->it goes on: now the drives are recognized alright, but the network is down. ifup says "error while getting interface flags: no such device"
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07:57<micha-->according to the kernel logs, my Ne2k-clone is recognized, but there is no device for it
07:58<locklace>jesperj: anything on "modprobe -l | grep uvc"?
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07:58<jesperj>locklace: no.
07:59<jesperj>how do I compile the module for the current kernel running?
08:00<locklace>jesperj: it definitely exists in the sid kernel package...
08:00<gsimmons>jesperj: You shouldn't need to. uvcvideo was added to mainline in 2.6.26.
08:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
08:01<jesperj>I am using 2.6.26
08:01<jesperj>well it seems like I do need to since it doesnt exist
08:01<jesperj>on my system
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08:02<valdyn>jesperj: m-a a-i uvc
08:02<valdyn>jesperj: or uh, that driver isnt there
08:03<micha-->according to the kernel logs, eth0 has been renamed to eth2 during bootup, but there is no file /dev/eth*, so ifup eth2 fails as well
08:03<valdyn>micha--: nah
08:03<valdyn>micha--: there never is ethx files in /dev
08:03<micha-->valdyn: okay?
08:04<locklace>jesperj: shows up here too: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64/filelist
08:04<valdyn>micha--: and ifup only works for interfaces found in /etc/network/interfaces
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08:04<jesperj>locklace: that's all good but I need to get it installed
08:05<locklace>jesperj: what is your architecture and current kernel package ("linux-image") version?
08:05<micha-->valdyn: so i should rename eth0 to eth2 in /etc/network/interfaces?
08:05<valdyn>micha--: probably, it would be interesting to know why the rename might have happend though
08:05<Gun_Smoke>anyone know of a package that will allow me to see the time in real time from a shell? watch -n 1 date comes to mind but I think there might be something a little better out there..
08:06<jm_>micha--: naah, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
08:06<locklace>Gun_Smoke: if you're using a proper shell there will be strings for time display available as prompt-expansions
08:06<micha-->valdyn it happens at the same time as bttv is loaded, dont know why
08:06<valdyn>micha--: bttv is unrelated
08:06<valdyn>micha--: did you insert or remove actual network cards?
08:06<krowa>I want to do such a thing. I'm logged on user account and i.e. I go to ~/application/ and when I i.e. ;) touch some file or create a dir can it be automaticly created with some other user id and grp ?
08:07<valdyn>micha--: is this nvidia / nforce hardware?
08:07<jm_>krowa: you can use inotify to watch for evens and call scripts etc.
08:07<jm_>events*
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08:08<jm_>heh I wrote a dumb clock for tty which displayed in upper right corner
08:08<valdyn>micha--: how many nics do you actually have in that box?
08:09<jesperj>locklace: i686 and not sure about the kernel image... the kernel I am using is /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26
08:09<krowa>jm_ looking for what you said :) can't it be done automaticly ? like umask ? :D
08:09<jesperj>(from grub menu.1st)
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08:10<jm_>krowa: no, umask doesn't solve such problems - but if you set sgid on dirs newly created files will retain gid
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08:11<locklace>jesperj: aptitude search '~i~nlinux-image'
08:11<valdyn>jesperj: thats not a debian kernel
08:11<krowa>jm_ I think sgid will solve the problem :)
08:11<krowa>jm_ thnx :)
08:11<micha-->valdyn: the chipset is AMD 751/756, the graphics card is nvidia NV-10 (Geforce 256 SDR), and i have one ethernet card (compex ne2k clone) and one Wifi card (ralink ra2500), so i usually had eth0 and eth1 as nics
08:12<krowa>jm_ but I'll have inotify on my mind :)
08:12<valdyn>micha--: ok.
08:12<valdyn>micha--: those renames might happen on each reboot
08:13<valdyn>micha--: eth0 -> eth2 > eth3 etc
08:13<valdyn>micha--: eth1 being occupied with the ralink?
08:13<valdyn>!z75
08:13<valdyn>!z70
08:13<valdyn>!test
08:13<dpkg>Test Failed.
08:13<valdyn>!listkeys ethernet
08:13<dpkg>Factoid search of 'ethernet' by key (11): ethernet configuration ;; ppp over ethernet ;; which ethernet module ;; _default ethernet ;; ethernet ;; ethernet howto ;; ethernet link status ;; #debian ethernet ;; start an ethernet war ;; ethernet driver ;; pcmcia ethernet.
08:13<gsimmons>!z25
08:13<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
08:13<valdyn>!forcedeth mac
08:13<dpkg>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". ask me about <z25>; the file is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules in lenny
08:14<valdyn>micha--: read that ^^^
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08:14<valdyn>micha--: and that factoid on top too naturally
08:14<DebianUser023>hi there, any wizards of dd or sim. around?
08:15<locklace>!tell DebianUser023 about ask
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08:15<xlotlu>"start an ethernet war" sounds interesting
08:15<DebianUser023>I need to replace the 1st sector (512) bytes of a larger image file by the content another file - "in situ"
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08:16<micha-->okay, thank you! i will check rebooting later, right now i am running a backup after the shock of some hours ago (udev not finding the hdds)
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08:16<valdyn>DebianUser023: dd if=source of=dest bs=512 count=1
08:16<DebianUser023>dd would work on a physical drive but change file size with a file
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08:16<valdyn>DebianUser023: a file is a file, dd doesnt know or care if theres something physical behind it or not
08:17<DebianUser023>wouldn't dd just create a new file with size 512?
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08:18*DebianUser023 is sceptical but might try in a test env
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08:18<valdyn>DebianUser023: ops
08:18<jesperj>i A linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
08:19<jesperj>and also i linux-image-2.6.26
08:19<jesperj>might not be the one I am using right now though
08:19<locklace>jesperj: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
08:20<locklace>jesperj: definitely has uvcvideo.ko according to the file list
08:20<valdyn>DebianUser023: dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=512 count=1 conv=notrunc
08:20<DebianUser023>so valdyn ? anybody else? I don't have the space to just append the image (skipping 1st sector) to the mbr
08:20<valdyn>DebianUser023: look into the manpage for what notrunc means, tested and works
08:20<jesperj>locklace: I'll just install it and see
08:20<jesperj>thanks
08:20<DebianUser023>valdyn: thanks
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08:22<valdyn>obviously truncate just does nothing on block devices
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08:23<jesperj>bbs
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08:27<DebianUser023>cu
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08:31<analyzer>bye guys
08:31<analyzer>i will go to sleep now
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09:09<jesperj2>http://pastebin.com/m709c50a7 can someone help?
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09:10<jesperj2>trying new kernel and i810fb and xorg fbdev doesnt work
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09:10<jesperj2>switched back to running old kernel atm for chatting / trying to get it to work so not on the new kernel atm, but that pastebin shows info
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09:12<user>hello
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09:12<entmoot>ls
09:12<jesperj2>I don't understand why just copy/pasting that line to load i810fb to the new kernel wouldnt work
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09:12<jesperj2>shouldnt it? or do you see something wrong with that grub conf?
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09:12<Txt_file>jesperj2: have you tried it without this line?
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09:14<jesperj2>Txt_file: No: it seemed rather pointless to do so since it wouldnt load the i810fb which the xorg conf is depending on since it uses fbdev xorg driver
09:15<xing>jesperj2_.are you using i810 driver?
09:15<jesperj2>xing? in xorg?
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09:16<jesperj2>xing fbdev driver in xorg
09:16<jesperj2>which depends on the framebuffer
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09:17<jesperj2>why did xorg work with fbdev driver with old kernel and i810fb loaded, and not with new kernel and i810fb loaded
09:17<jesperj2>error from xorg is provided in pastebin
09:18<xing>jesperj2,for your intel video card?
09:18<jesperj2>and why does the newkernel grub line not activate the framebuffer videomode (ie change the visible text size)
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09:18<jesperj2>xing: yes I use i810fb for my intel video card
09:18<jesperj2>that is what i810fb is for
09:19<jesperj2>we are talking about a setup that worked with old kernel
09:19<jesperj2>but suddenly just doesnt work with new kenrel
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09:19<jesperj2>so the discussion isnt about if I am using right drivers
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09:19<jesperj2>the discussion is about why it doesnt work with new kernel
09:19<jesperj2>what am I doing different?
09:19<jesperj2>what is wrong?
09:21<jesperj2>if you look at the two grub kernel sections, do you see anything wrong in the section for the newkernel?
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09:21<jesperj2>shouldnt it work to do as I did, just copy/paste the old line to load i810fb for the new kernel?
09:21<anus>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii guuuuuuuuuuuuuys
09:21<anus>how are you
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09:22<anus>fuck i can't sleep
09:22<xing>sorry ,i don't know what i810fb is,but i fail to use xserver-xorg-video-i810 in lenny
09:22<anus>too much coffee
09:22<anus>damn
09:23<mprice>!i810
09:23<anus>what should i do to get to sleep quicker?
09:23<anus>guys any ideas
09:23<anus>cum on guys give me some ideas
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09:24<themill>anus: as you've been told before a number of times, this is not a chat channel.
09:24<jesperj2>ok seems like nobody has a clue so I'll logg off and experiment myself. was hoping someone would have an idea. bbl
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09:25<edith>helloooooooooo
09:25<anus>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
09:25<edith>who r u??
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09:25<anus>huh?
09:26<edith>wut is this place???
09:26<anus>this is #debian
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09:26<Helpme>Hi
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09:26<edith>lol wut is it??????????? a chatroomk for fun???
09:26<Helpme>localhost:~# ifup tun6to4
09:26<Helpme>/bin/sh: ip: command not found
09:26<Helpme>Failed to bring up tun6to4.
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09:27<Helpme>what package do i need in order to stop that "ip: command not found"
09:27<ema29>Helpme: install iproute
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09:27<anus>i'm going back to sleep
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09:29<Helpme>thanks
09:29<anus>yes!!!!!!!!!! i feel more sleepy
09:29<anus>cum on
09:30<Helpme>ema29 what is the command to add more ips? (IPV6)
09:30<avu>Helpme, ip a a dev <foo> <addr>
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09:33<Helpme>is that for ipv6 avu?
09:33<Helpme>and what does foo stand for
09:33<avu>Helpme, bot v4 and v6
09:33<avu>the device you want to add the ip to
09:33<avu>man 8 ip
09:34<ootput>you guys ought to formulate longer sentences
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09:35<anus>bye guys i'm gonna go to sleep now
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09:36<Helpme>ok thanks
09:36<Helpme>how do i check if i successfully setup ipv6?
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09:37<koollman>Helpme: you try to access some ipv6 address
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09:37<Helpme>from the putty?
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09:38<koollman>from wherever you want. from some linux host, a simple test would be ping6 ipv6.google.com
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09:38<koollman>or, access the kame.net website and watch the dancing turtle :)
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09:44<commander>who on here has timevault or flyback?
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09:47<ml|>!ask
09:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org, or <htasq>
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09:48<virlian>nufw
09:48<locklace>!anyone
09:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
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09:51<fotuenti>hi
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09:52<fotuenti>i am experiencing some bizarre behavior with terminals under X, basically my command line always prepends a ":" to the front of PS1. this extra character messes up line editing and up/down arrow history browsing. it does not happen outside X, and i'm running lenny. any thoughts?
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09:53<locklace>fotuenti: does it happen in all shells?
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09:56<fotuenti>yea
09:56<fotuenti>xterm, rxvt, gnome-terminal, etc...
09:56<fotuenti>but not outside X
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09:56<fotuenti>oh, as far as shells. i've only tried bash and dash
09:57<fotuenti>both same behavior
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09:58<locklace>so even with dash and PS1 set to "$ " your prompt actually comes out as ":$ "?
09:58<fotuenti>well, maybe not
09:59<fotuenti>i just installed csh and tried again
09:59<fotuenti>csh comes up normal
09:59<fotuenti>so maybe, it's mainly a bash thing. i'm gonna try dash again
09:59<themill>fotuenti: You presumably have something odd in your .bash_profile setting $PS1 (or even $PROMPT_COMMAND) strangely.
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10:00<locklace>fotuenti: can you start dash/bash with a clean environment?
10:00<fotuenti>i'm fairly certain my bash_profile's PS1 is correct
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10:00<locklace>and with the setting that tells it not to read any init files, forget what it is for those shells
10:00<fotuenti>lemme check, 1sec
10:01<themill>--noprofile --norc
10:01<locklace>!beer themill
10:01*dpkg deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for themill
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10:01<themill>yummy
10:01<fotuenti>that's a nice brew
10:01<locklace>does that work for dash too?
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10:01<fotuenti>ok, noprofile/norc seems to produce better results
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10:01<xing>'Device Communication Error" in Hp printer configuration
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10:01<xing>how to solve the 'Device Communication Error" in Hp printer configuration?
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10:02<fotuenti>i'll be darned, it must be .bashrc
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10:02<fotuenti>i justed source'd it and it put that dang colon back
10:05<fotuenti>ok, themill, now i owe u a beer too
10:05<fotuenti>!beer themill
10:05*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for themill
10:05<fotuenti>and one for locklace too for helping :)
10:05<themill>ooh... don't know that one ;)
10:05<fotuenti>!beer locklace
10:05*dpkg pours a litre of Delirium Tremens for locklace
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10:05<fotuenti>looks like the offending variable is PROMPT_COMMAND
10:06<fotuenti>which i'm not familiar with
10:06<fotuenti>i don't see it in bash manpage, i take it PROMPT_COMMAND is before PS1 ?
10:08<fotuenti>well, thanks to both of you very much
10:08<fotuenti>you managed to help where 3-4 other irc channels failed :)
10:08<locklace>!tell fotuenti about zsh
10:08<locklace>;)
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10:09<fotuenti>i'll have to look at it, but bash is like my security blanket lol
10:09<themill>fotuenti: yeah, PROMPT_COMMAND is executed before PS1. It's good for settings things like window titles (or both window title and konsole tab title and colour in my case)
10:10<ml|>is zsh that much better than bash?
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10:10<locklace>yes
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10:10<ml|>ok will read up then
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10:12<ml|>is this working for anybody else ...
10:12<ml|>http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/guckes/zsh/tips.html
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10:13<ml|>i get The requested URL /~guckes/zsh/tips.html was not found on this server.
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10:13<locklace>nope
10:13<locklace>try this instead: http://www.rayninfo.co.uk/tips/zshtips.html
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10:13<ml|>ok dpkg should be updated
10:13<locklace>also the manual is good
10:14<locklace>all 17 sections of it
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10:14<corge>morning all
10:14<ml|>http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html <-- not coming up either
10:15<fotuenti>hi corge
10:15<ml|>morning
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10:16<ml|>just letting the powers that be so dpkg will be updated
10:16<ml|>locklace: will read ;P
10:17<locklace>also http://adamspiers.org/computing/zsh/ and http://adamspiers.org/computing/shells/
10:18<gravity>zsh++
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10:19<ml|>locklace: ok
10:19<ml|>thanks
10:20<ml|>zsh++?
10:20<gravity>Just that I like zsh
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10:21*ml| has some reading to do
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10:33<fotuenti>locklace and themill thanks again for the help, back to work for me
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10:34<ArSeN>hi
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10:36<ArSeN>I have backup-manager working to backup some directories into an archive and upload it via FTP. I set a cronjob to run backup-manager daily at 3 o'clock in the morning. Everyday it runs fine and completes everything successfull. BUT, and here it comes - it is executed at 7:50 again! And I don't have any clue why this is. I just found out that it isn't executed from cronjob again, but I can't determine wherefrom it gets executed
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10:36<ArSeN>is there any way to determine this rather than reading the syslog, or does anyone have another idea where this comes from?
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10:45<ArSeN>any ideas? :/
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10:47<ArSeN>please?
10:47<ArSeN>:P
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10:48<ranix>ArSeN: check crontab and /etc/cron.d
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10:48<melkart>i have a directory with many files containing just a few lines of text. how can i convert all this data into an .xml-file which i can then import into a password manager? the files in this directory contain passwords and i want to encrpyt them
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10:49<ArSeN>ranix: I did, only the 3 oclock crontab exists
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10:49<ArSeN>ehrm
10:49<ArSeN>cronjob..
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10:50<bja>melkart: one way "cat * >> newnamefile.xml" and voila everything in one file with the original format
10:50<locklace>melkart: vague. there are infinitely many ways to convert your data to xml, and almost as many "password manager" applications
10:51<bja>locklace: Nice to see you around
10:51<locklace>!confuse bja
10:51<dpkg>No, them are your snake yesterday, bja? breeches of the people's republic of tahiti with extra cream
10:51<ArSeN>ranix: another idea`?
10:52<melkart>locklace: just one would be good enough...
10:52<melkart>i have keepassx here which accepts keepassx .xml-files, kwallet .xml and pwmanager .xml-files...
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10:54<ArSeN>ranix: Could it be, that scripts contained in /etc/cron.daily are executed automatically once per day?
10:54<ArSeN>I'm sorry I'm pretty new to this all...
10:56<bremner>melkart: Do you know perl? You could search on CPAN.org for a perl module that writes one of those xml formats
10:56<ranix>ArSeN: yes, that is
10:56<ArSeN>aaah ok
10:57<ArSeN>that explains it ;) big thanks to you
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10:57<ranix>ArSeN: haha no problem. I usually make my own directory, /etc/cron.tab or similar to house specific scripts run by crontab that don't belong elsewhere
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10:58<ranix>ArSeN: my backup scripts have a dedicated user though, autobackup, and go in his home directory organized
10:58<ranix>but everybody has their own ways
10:58<ArSeN>well as said, I'm pretty new to this stuff ;)
10:59<ranix>don't forget to make logs
10:59<ranix>a simple >bklog.txt goes a long way
10:59<ranix>if you want to get really sexy you can sendmail the log to yourself
11:00<ranix>or better yet, some other poor guy who has to read it
11:00<melkart>bremner: thanks, but i didnt find anything. but i found a description of the keepassx .xml format
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11:01<ArSeN>ranix: lol
11:01<ArSeN>well, when time will come I will take care of this advise ;)
11:01<melkart>with "more * > all.txt" i can create a file containg ":::::::::::::\nfilename\n:::::::::::::\ncontent\n:::::::::::::\nnextfilename..." and so on
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11:02<bja>melkart: if you do that you will only get the last file on all.txt
11:02<bja>melkart: you would need " cat * >> all.txt"
11:02<bja>melkart: the >> symbol appends to the file all.txt if it doesn't exist it will create it
11:03<bja>melkart: 09:50 < bja> melkart: one way "cat * >> newnamefile.xml" and voila everything in one file with the original format
11:04<bja>Does anyone of the package on debian Lenny that has all the manpages for the basic C functions??
11:04<onur_>Hi. I am trying to install debian from my usb disc. I download the boot.img.gz and zcat to my usb disc and copy the debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso to my usb disc (already mounted /dev/sdc). Computer booting from usb, installer is opening but it's not detect the installer ISO image. Do you have any idea why doesn't detect iso image?
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11:10<locklace>bja: manpages-dev
11:10<locklace>bja: took me forever to find it too
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11:11<nokey>Hallo
11:11<melkart>bja: thanks, but i tried that with cat, but i dont get an *.xml file then...
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11:12<ranix>melkart: what
11:12<chealer>onur_: did you look at the log?
11:12<nokey>I've got a question about cryptsetup: How can I crypt my running partition's (/boot, /root etc)? Or do I have 2 delete the files first?
11:12<melkart>onur_: i have no idea, but i encountered the very same problem about one month ago...
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11:14<onur_>chealer: i didn't. I am trying to create installer with syslinux now
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11:16<bja>melkart: You will not get an *.xml file, you will get one single file with everything on it
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11:17<bja>locklace: thx
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11:26<ruben>Is there a way to get transparent windows without using compiz or beryl? My graphics card won't like it, but I know other distro's have managed it (it being transparent windows) on the same hardware.
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11:27<sney>some applications (ie xchat) support it by themselves
11:27<sney>and I'm pretty sure the Enlightenment window manager does as well
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11:27<ruben>Enlightenment?
11:28<gravity>ruben: kwin can do it
11:28<FloridaGuy>whats the latset gnome version i can get for debian
11:28<onur_>ruben: you can use xcompmgr but of course it's running with glx extension
11:29<ml|>judd: versions gnome
11:29<judd>ml|: gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 squeeze: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 sid: 1:2.24.3~2
11:29<gravity>"running with the glx extension"?
11:29<ruben>What does that mean?
11:29<onur_>X11's glx extension
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11:30<ruben>Ok
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11:31<ruben>Is enlightenment as intensive as compiz?
11:31<ml|>maybe with xcompmgr
11:31<gravity>xcompmgr doesn't use glx
11:31<gravity>That's what the aborted xglxcompmgr (or whatever it was called) was supposed to do
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11:32<ruben>Ok
11:32<ruben>I shall try xcompmngr
11:32<ruben>Or whatever it is
11:32<gravity>ruben: Beware, it's very slow
11:32<ruben>I'm not sure how much my graphics card is up to
11:32<valdyn>ruben: you want something fast that isnt opengl, that doesnt really exist
11:32<ruben>But thanks for the heads up
11:33<gravity>And basically unsupported upstream. The realization was that you really want your wm to manage compositing rather than an external manager program
11:33<valdyn>ruben: 2D is slow, 3D is fast, thats how modern gfx cards are.
11:33<ruben>I will try and see
11:33<ruben>I have no doubt that you are right, but it's worth a try
11:33<cjac_>well, 2D is accelerated using hardware these days :)
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11:34<gravity>It's all the same engine and calls really
11:34<valdyn>cjac: thats still by far slower than 3D operations
11:34<gravity>It just depends on what commands you're dispatching to the card
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11:34<ruben>But graphics card don't do 3d, do it?
11:34<cjac>valdyn: unless the 2D is using the same hardware as 3D :)
11:34<gravity>ruben: Any modern graphics card can accelrate some 3D
11:35<gravity>Well... except geode
11:35<ruben>tnt2 my friend
11:35<valdyn>cjac: I dont know why they dont do it
11:35<cjac>ruben: well, most hardware is optimized to perform opengl functions quickly
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11:35<gravity>tnt2? Wow... that's like 10 years old.
11:36*cjac has one of those, too. it's plenty good :)
11:36<ranix>tnt2??
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11:36<ranix>that's a diamond riva chipset
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11:36<cjac>wait, I was thinking geforce 256
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11:37<ruben>That went wrong
11:37<ruben>I've lost my awm
11:37<ruben>Noo!
11:37<ruben>Damn
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11:37<ruben>And yes, my graphics card is old
11:37<ruben>Thge PC is an ex windows 98
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11:38<cjac>ooh
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11:38<gravity>"Here's a nickle kid" etc.
11:39<ruben>Cheers
11:39<ruben>It's interesting to see how modern linux alone can make this PC seem. Vista would never manage this
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11:40<ruben>How do I remove xcompmgr?
11:41<ruben>It went wrong, and I can't find all the files in synaptic
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11:41<stuckey>ciao
11:42<gravity>ruben: killall xcompmgr
11:43<ruben>Ok
11:43<ruben>Done
11:43<ruben>What files do I need to remove?
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11:43<ruben>Woot, awm is back
11:44<gravity>You can just remove the package, assuming that's how you installed it
11:44<ruben>Ok
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11:44<gravity>I don't know... you made the changes to your own system. You should know how to reverse them.
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11:45<ruben>I know
11:45<ruben>But installing it used 6 packages, uninstalling removed 1
11:45-!-jprojas [~jprojas@gandalf.coral-systems.com] has joined #debian
11:45<ruben>What happened to the other 5 eh?
11:46<gravity>If you had been using aptitude instead of synaptic it would have tracked those and removed them for you
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11:46<ruben>Excuuse me
11:46<gravity>Anyway, they shouldn't do any harm and you can track them down with debporhan if you want
11:46<ruben>I'll remember that
11:47<ruben>Although, is aptitude command line?
11:47<bja>ruben: yes
11:47<gravity>It's got an interactive mode
11:47<ruben>I don't like command line
11:47<gravity>It's not a GUI, but it's damn close
11:47<ruben>I prefer point and click
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11:47<ml|>!tell ruben -about why aptitude
11:48<ruben>That interactive thing is fine for me
11:48<bja>ruben: Take a look at "aptitude" if you are using X it works with the mouse also
11:48<ruben>Ye
11:48<ruben>I ,like that
11:48<bja>ml|: Greetings
11:48<ml|>!tell ruben -about aptitude
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11:48<ml|>bja: hello :)
11:48<ruben>I don't need a perfect GUI, but I prefer that thing to typing
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11:48<ruben>You guys are so awesome
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11:49<bja>ruben: There is a nice menu on the top part of aptitude that can be useful to you :)
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11:50<ruben>Cheersa
11:51<locklace>the most important option is "Play Minesweeper"
11:51<ruben>Why is minesweeper there?
11:51<ruben>Lol
11:51<locklace>!why
11:51<dpkg>Because!
11:51<ruben>Nice
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11:52<ml|>dpkg: rocks
11:52<dpkg>Yer damned right...
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11:52<ruben>Indeed
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11:53<bja> vi certificates.create.sql
11:54<bja>#tor
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11:55<locklace>heh, i'll never need find again
11:56<ml|>locklace: why not
11:56<locklace>zsh% ls /etc/**/*(.m0) # list all files under /etc modified today
11:57<ruben>Nice
11:57<gravity>I really should use that more
11:57<ruben>Thanks for all your help guys
11:57<locklace>the zsh glob system is a superset of everything done by find(1)
11:57<ml|>locklace: yeah read that, still need to read some more
11:57<ruben>bye
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11:57<gravity>zsh glob's can search by type?
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11:58<gravity>s/'//
11:58<locklace>gravity: i've been using zsh for well over a decade and i just got around to learning about glob
11:58<locklace>gravity: it can search by everything you can possibly imagine
11:59<gravity>neat
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11:59<locklace>and has options to modify the returned results, compute set complements and differences of multiple glob expressions, ...
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11:59<locklace>the "." in the pattern above restricts to regular files; you could omit it, or replace by / for directories, @ for symlinks, etc.
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12:01<tech404>I need to learn a more powerful editor than nano so I am looking for a honest comparison between emacs and vi without all the religious war. The wiki article seems to be ok but IDK. Does anyone have a good source for reading about how they are different?
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12:01<libertcharrua>buenas tardes
12:02<ml|>!es
12:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:02<locklace>tech404: emacs and vi are not comparable
12:02<libertcharrua>gracias
12:02<gravity>tech404: Honestly, I'd try both for a month and see what you like better.
12:02<locklace>tech404: vi is a text editor, emacs is an os
12:02<gravity>tech404: I use both for different tasks
12:02<ml|>tech404: try them both and witch suits you better
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12:02<ml|>hah
12:02<petemc>try them both and bask in the superiority of vim
12:02<locklace>although vim is starting to look pretty os-like these days
12:03<ml|>i prefer vi/vim
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12:04<tech404>I guess that is the only thing that makes much sense.
12:04<gravity>emacs is a great os that lacks a good text editor. vim is a great text editor that lacks a good scripting language
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12:05<locklace>tech404: seriously, they aren't comparable. they have completely different usage models. you fire up vi when you need to do a quick bit of editing and exit when you're done. with emacs, you leave it running all the time and do a fair approximation of everything inside of it
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12:06<gravity>locklace speaks the truth
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12:07<tech404>:-/ Ok well I guess I will just have to learn it all.
12:07<locklace>yes. learn it ALL.
12:07<ranix>I don't use emacs
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12:07<ranix>I have used vim as an IDE though
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12:08<phonebook>I tried using emacs and vi but they were cumbersome and pico and gedit are so much more fun :-)
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12:08<ranix>ew
12:08<gravity>Once you learn emacs and vi they become anything but cumbersome
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12:08<phonebook>yeah that's what they say
12:08<locklace>phonebook: vim might be cumbersome; vi isn't, it's tiny and fast
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12:09<tech404>Yes I have been using pico/nano and have not had a problem but I need to start coding again so I think I better pick one of them for it.
12:09<phonebook>I used vi religiously for a while but honestly I'm starting to think it's really not better, people just say that to appear elite
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12:09*locklace kind of annoyed that vim and not nvi is the default debian vi
12:09<phonebook>same as how people say gentoo is better to appear elite when it's really not
12:09<gravity>locklace: It's pretty much a popularity contest that drove that one
12:10<locklace>phonebook: "better" is personal preference, but the big advantage of vi is that it's everywhere.
12:10<mibber>What about nano?
12:10<phonebook>ok, it's everywhere. That's no reason for me to use it on my computers. I'm not a sysadmin.
12:10<locklace>gravity: was there an actual poll/vote?
12:10<bja>phonebook: It also runs on a dime and stops on a cent
12:10<mibber>I've been introduced to that lately when I tried using hg.
12:10<gravity>phonebook: I'd say that vim is demonstrably better than pico or nano
12:10<locklace>gravity: my view, nvi should be default for the same reason that dash should be default /bin/sh (something that just about everyone seems on board with now)
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12:10<gravity>locklace: It was a discussion on debian-devel
12:11<gravity>The vim that's installed is relatively minimal
12:11<phonebook>gravity refer to locklace's remark above about how better is personal preference.
12:11<locklace>vim is great if you want it, but excessively bloated for bare-bones/baseline install
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12:11<gravity>phonebook: I saw it but I don't believe it. nano and pico server their purpose, but they're not power tools the way vi is.
12:11<locklace>well, "minimal" for vim - it still weighs in at 750k ;)
12:11*gravity shrugs
12:12<phonebook>gravity you don't believe that people have personal preferences?
12:12<gravity>Most people are using vim anyway, and many were annoyed that it wasn't installed by default
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12:12<themill>phonebook: no! there is only the One True Path...
12:12<tech404>Is there a better way to keep sound modules from loading than rm the soundcore modules? I have tried blacklisting the module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and using blacklist=soundcore at boot but with no luck.
12:12<gravity>phonebook: Sure I do. That's a different question though.
12:12<mibber>Hmm. Yeah. I tried using vi(m?) once. I was kind of bummed that it didn't have text coloring out of the box.
12:12<phonebook>gravity - nano just FEELS better to me.
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12:13<koollman>phonebook: which is perfectly fine. It's just not a 'power tool', as gravity said
12:13<mibber>But I did find using hjkl as proxy for the d pad as pretty novel and conveneient.
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12:13<locklace>gravity: other option is just install both by default but make vi=nvi and don't list vim as "important" or whatever its current priority is
12:13<koollman>which is kind of embarassing when you know how to use a more powerful tool.
12:13<gravity>phonebook: You're arguing a different issue than you were a few few minutes ago though, where you were saying that people claim to like vi because they're being 133t or whatever
12:13<onur_>tech404: try 'blacklist soundcore'
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12:13<phonebook>gravity I stick to my claim that people argue in favor of vi partially to appear elite
12:14<gravity>locklace: Sure, any choice can be made. And there's no real right answer. But my sense is that vim is far more popular and is a reasonable default these days.
12:15<bja>phonebook: Vi is one of the longest default editors for linux, sometimes it was the only one working, so you had to learn it to survive.
12:15<gravity>phonebook: And I'd aruge that people doing real work need better tools than what pico/nano provide.
12:15<locklace>gravity: yeah, not too bent out of shape about it, and at least it's the "relatively minimal" version. the bash-as-sh thing is far more of a pain
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12:15<gravity>locklace: Yeah, dash does need to become default for the speed gains imo as well
12:16<ranix>I actually prefer vim
12:16<ranix>I dislike vi
12:16<ranix>but, vim is my preferred text editor for multiple reasons
12:16<bja>How do you change the default shell for root?
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12:17<themill>didn't we have this same $EDITOR discussion a few days ago?
12:17<phonebook>bja that doesn't make it the best
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12:17<ranix>apt, start an editor war
12:17<Kiberpipca>helo
12:17<phonebook>gravity what are your favorite features of vi that pico cannot provide?
12:17<themill>phonebook: are you happy with "notepad" in windows or do you think it's pretty crap?
12:17<gravity>phonebook: The speed and convenience of its editing commands. I know that's abstract, but it's true
12:18<gravity>Then again, that's all I use vi for these days.
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12:18<bja>phonebook: What do you call the best? Its a question pretty hard to answear.
12:18<onur_>phonebook: are you serious? do you comparing vim and nano?
12:18<phonebook>themill I deleted windows off of all my computers, and notepad with it. Yay!
12:18<themill>phonebook: that's not the point I was trying to make.... (and failing)
12:18<ranix>8dd -> move around -> p
12:18<ranix>that's pretty good functionality there
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12:18<Pryon>a simple regexp search/replace is infinitely easier
12:18<themill>sed substitution syntax is one thing that I love.
12:19<ranix>I really really really like vim :dd
12:19<phonebook>phonebook notepad can't be compared to nano
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12:19<phonebook>whoops
12:19<phonebook>I meant
12:19<phonebook>themill notepad can't be compared to nano
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12:19<themill>orly?
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12:19<tech404>onur_, Where? I have tried that in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist if that is what you mean.
12:20<ranix>themill: yeah themill, one is a text editor, and the other one is a text editor
12:20<ranix>themill: it's like comparring grapes to oranges
12:20<gravity>I'd agree with that. nano has more features than notepad and is more useful
12:20<onur_>yes tech404
12:20<onur_>dont use '='
12:20<ranix>you must be on cough syrup or something
12:21<bja>Since everyone is talking about editors, I'll go and do some real work je je
12:21<gravity>Although, looking in its help I'm surprised that I don't see an easy way to pipe to and from shell commands. That's something I like and use in both emacs and vim.
12:21<phonebook>ranix one is a windows gui text editor, and the other is a linux command line editor. Nuff said!
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12:21<ranix>phonebook: the linux command line is the same as the windows gui
12:22<phonebook>ranix LOL!!! ok, troll.
12:22<ranix>once you start the program in an xterm how is it not comparable
12:22<ranix>and yes, I am probably the greatest of trolls
12:22<ranix>and I know a troll when I see one
12:22<ranix>I am currently employing counter-troll trolling
12:23<gravity>I don't think phonebook is trolling by any means
12:23<ranix>yes, notepad vs vim couldn't possibly be on the list of famous trolling topics
12:24<ranix>next he will tell you that his crt monitor is superior to your lcd
12:24<phonebook>someone should kick ranix..
12:24<tech404>onur, I didn't. I used the = when I added it to the kernel command line at boot.
12:24<tech404>I think that udev might not be respecting my blacklist file
12:24<tech404>IDK though
12:24<ranix>phonebook: I would just come back, I have been idling here for going on 12 years now
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12:24<phonebook>ranix time to get a life my friend
12:24<mibber>I think I used notepad++ when I was still an part of the unenlightened and unwashed windows masses.
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12:25<azeem>phonebook: please drop it
12:25<mibber>notepad was just, well, featureless I guess.
12:25<azeem>ranix: you too
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12:25<onur_>notepad doesn't have any feature
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12:26<azeem>discussing notebook is off-topic here
12:27<melkart>(i was able to figure out how keepassx wants its .xml-file and even, being a n00b, able to write a bash script converting all my password data files into such an .xml-file and importing it)
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12:27<ootput>notepad, moreso
12:27<kurumin>ola
12:27<ootput>*more so
12:27<kurumin>iai
12:27<azeem>!pt
12:27<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:27<kurumin>blz
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12:28<phonebook>I used to ssh into the school's network and use pico to do programming assignments over the net. The memories!
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12:29<slavsun>hi
12:29<azeem>phonebook: do you have a Debian question?
12:29<melkart>i have an encrypted lvm-partition on my hard disk. i want to make a new debian install and then finally end up in a state where swap and root-directory will end up within that encrypted partition... how could i do it? (the installer does not allow me to set mount points for logical volumes within an already existing encrypted lvm partition)
12:29<phonebook>azeem is this channel only for questions? Can't people have discussions?
12:29<slavsun>how to find out all depens of some DEB package if it was only downloaded ?
12:29<slavsun>it maybe not installed in the system
12:30<slavsun>just a file
12:30<themill>phonebook: #debian-offtopic for that
12:30<phonebook>I see.
12:30<ootput>phonebook: and if discussions were allowed, it'd only be for times where there are no deb-requests present
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12:31<ootput>even then, the discussions would be slightly on-topic
12:31<ootput>(from what I've observed)
12:32<gravity>slavsun: dpkg --info your.deb
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12:32<gravity>slavsun: If it's something from the main archive in apt's database you can just apt-cache show yourpackage
12:32<slavsun>no
12:32<slavsun>it's grip packager in the usual Debian Lenny distr
12:33<slavsun>just a deb filoe
12:33<slavsun>is there a command for output only depends?
12:33<ranix>never had to do that before
12:33<slavsun>like apt-cache depends ?
12:34<bremner>slavsun: maybe checkout gdebi
12:34<gravity>slavsun: dpkg --info your.deb | grep Depends
12:34<gravity>gdebi doesn't do it
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12:34<bremner>gravity: right, I was answering the next question :-)
12:35<gravity>Ah, sorry :-)
12:35<ranix>nothing in dpkg manpage that says anything about specifically the dependencies
12:35<slavsun>gravity, and if there are a lot of depends ? you see in your way only line with word 'Depends'
12:35<gravity>It should show a lot of depends
12:36<slavsun>I need to check
12:36<azeem>slavsun: pipe it through tr " " "\n" or something
12:36<slavsun>how ?
12:36<azeem>how what?
12:36<slavsun>tr ?
12:36<azeem>man tr
12:36<gravity>slavsun: Why can't you just pipe dpkg --info out to less and read the thing?
12:36<slavsun>ok I'll see it
12:36<gravity>Why make this so hard?
12:37<slavsun>and what about a lot of deb packages ? to write scripts with loops ?
12:37<ranix>here you go slavsun
12:37<ranix>unpack the dpkg file
12:37<ranix>and then unpack the control.tar.gz file
12:37<ranix>in the 'control' file, there's a list of dependencies
12:37<slavsun>for every deb package ?
12:37<slavsun>mmm
12:38<ranix>how many .debs can you possibly have that aren't repository-managed with apt or your apt alternative
12:38<azeem>slavsun: yeah, write a loop
12:38<azeem>and don't listen to ranix
12:38<ranix>why not
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12:38<azeem>because dpkg --info as proposed by gravity is the preferred way to display the control inforamtion
12:38<gravity>apt-cache show yourpackage | perl -n -e 'if (/^Depends:/) { split ", "; for $i (@_) { print "$i\n" }}'
12:39*gravity hugs perl
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12:39<ranix>ah, you are right azeem
12:39<gravity>Or dpkg --info instead of apt-cache show
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12:40<gravity>You can s/Depends:\s*// in there too if you want.
12:40<themill>and have fun with | and versioned depends....
12:41<deniz>when I want to reply to a bug report it's numberofbug@what?
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12:41<melkart>if i install debian with root being /dev/sda2, but later decide that i want it to have its root-directory on /dev/sda3 instead... is it as easy as copying over everything to sda3, and then changing the root paramenter in grub/menu.lst and replacing sda2 with sda3 in /etc/fstab?
12:41<gravity>deniz: @bugs.debian.org
12:41<deniz>gravity, thanks
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12:47<ootput>melkart: yes
12:47<slavsun>could anyone say a package which has a lot of depends ? )
12:47<deniz>slavsun, anki?
12:48<ootput>melkart: copying -incorrectly- may lead to problems, of course
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12:48<deniz>will ext4 have an offline defragmenter?
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12:50<slavsun>gravity, you were right
12:50<slavsun>dpkg --info ./aptitude_0.4.11.11-1~lenny1em1_i386.deb | grep "^ Depends" works well
12:50<dpkg>slavsun: You are moron #1
12:50<slavsun>all depends I see
12:51<slavsun>but there is a problem - the verion in brackets t)
12:51<slavsun>what does ' slavsun: You are moron #1' mean ?
12:52<ml|>dpkg: lol
12:52<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
12:52<themill>slavsun: the bot's insulting you... ignore it
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12:52<ml|>slavsun: it's a bot
12:52<slavsun>ic
12:52<themill>!wayttd slavsun
12:52<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, slavsun?
12:52<slavsun>I guessed by it's name
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12:52<slavsun>dpkg
12:52<dpkg>wish i knew, slavsun
12:52<slavsun>)
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12:53<ml|>!tell slavsun -about dpkgbot
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12:56<Tomasso>Hi all I need to help with compiz and superkaramba in Lenny
12:56<ml|>!ask
12:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org, or <htasq>
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12:57<bja>The dpkg bots messages are getting better by the day :)
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12:58<Tomasso>I want to have superkaramba applets in all desktops. Please help :)
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13:02<corge>tomasso: are you running the latest version?
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13:02<corge>0.39 is the latest from what i see
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13:04<Tomasso>superkaramba is running 0.42 and compiz 0.7.6-7
13:05<corge>0.39 is the latest stable release from the website on sourceforge, using 0.42 may be your issue right there
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13:06<corge>i dont use it as command line isn't all that pretty unless you do green on black....just trying to offer suggestions
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13:09<slavsun>is there any command to pipe only unique values ?
13:09<slavsun>for example if to do: cat ./file | <command>
13:09<slavsun>and the output will be only the unique values
13:10<bremner>slavsun: | sort | uniq
13:10<themill>slavsun: sort -u or uniq
13:10<slavsun>thanks
13:10<bremner>slavsun: ps. useless use of cat ;-)
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13:10<themill>!uuoc slavsun
13:10*dpkg hands slavsun the "unnecessary use of cat" award
13:10<slavsun>it's jusy an example )
13:10<slavsun>just*
13:10<themill>:)
13:10<sney>I prefer the "self-destructive use of cat" award
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13:11*sney cats /dev/urandom
13:11<slavsun>hehe
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13:17<gravity>sney: Nice
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13:36<deniz>will the radeonhd driver ever be as good as proprietary ati driver if a lot of time passes?
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13:36<deniz>like for 3d games etc
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13:37<locklace>ask #radeon
13:38<gravity>depends
13:38<gravity>experience would say no, optimism would say yes
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13:57<ruben>Is it possible to use a metacity theme to get glass-like windows decoration?
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14:04<roma>дайте русский канал
14:05<azeem>!ru
14:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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14:06<lavamind>hello
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14:06<lavamind>i'm looking for recommendations for a book about Debian
14:07<dreamer_>hola
14:07<lavamind>anyone know a good intro / reference book about Debian ?
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14:07<lavamind>(apart from the manual)
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14:07<bja>!es
14:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:08<ruben>Is it possible to use a metacity theme to get glass-like windows decoration?
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14:08<locklace>lavamind: what's wrong with the manual(s)
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14:09<lavamind>locklace, I need aphysical book
14:10<lavamind>plus, reference titles are usually a little more pedagogical
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14:13<locklace>so print them
14:13<antonio>hello
14:13<tr1um7h>hello
14:14<bja>!tell antonio about ask
14:14<bja>!ask
14:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:14<ruben>Is it possible to use a metacity theme to get glass-like windows decoration?
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14:15<ruben>Th bar at the top to be precise
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14:16<gbis>bonjour
14:16<bja>!fr
14:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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14:21<tr1um7h>list
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14:23<adb>tr1um7h: stop it
14:24<bja>tr1um7h: guess you missed /
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14:26<ciccio85>ciao
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14:26<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:06<adama_>!qotd0
15:06<dpkg>< runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that.
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15:12<kapal>Could someone point me out which port is used by bbstored (boxbackup)? I'm using lenny default configuration. Here's what I've tried: google, boxbackup documentation (nothing about port there), netstat -lnutp (program name, nor pid shown), tried strace -s 1000 bbstored (didnt find the way to print full struct's). Clue anyone?
15:12<simonrvn>O_o
15:12<simonrvn>@ that qotd
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15:14<kapal>Obviously the backup server is running and functional
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15:14<simonrvn>kapal: what about the source code? ;)
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15:15<kapal>simonrvn: haven't tried that
15:15<kapal>:)
15:15<locklace>kapal: just run netstat -4l before and after starting it
15:15<kapal>thought I'm doing sth wrong, and there's an obvious solution
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15:16<ghantoos>kapal: try: sudo netstat -anp | grep -i bbstored
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15:19<kapal>ghantoos: already tried - no use (no information about program, pid)
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15:20<ghantoos>kapal: did you try tcpdump ?
15:21<kapal>ghantoos: not yet... lets see
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15:21<shamanix>why is it that the kde development libraries insist on ~!@# up my PCMan file manager and LXDE with it? is there some way to change this behaviour?
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15:23<roby>ciao
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15:23<roby>http://multisala.oltreirc.net/index.php?q=STaR+TReK+Il+FuTuRo+Ha+INiZiO#
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15:24<roby>http://multisala.oltreirc.net/index.php?q=STaR+TReK+Il+FuTuRo+Ha+INiZiO#
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15:24<adb>!ops roby spam
15:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: roby spam
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15:26<mduell>I'd like to obtain a copy of the i386 install disks (cd or dvd) for Etch 4.0r3. I don't see them on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ or any other parts of debian.org. Is there another reputable source for older disk images?
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15:28<kapal>ghantoos: tcpdump helped thanks for tip the magic port is 2201. Thanks alot for the tip
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15:31<shamanix>mduell try this http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents&category=22
15:32<mduell>thank you, shamanix!
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15:35<adb>mduell: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/
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15:36<mduell>even better, adb, since apparently my employer blocks bittorrent
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15:40<ml|>won't security updates end for etch end in 2010?
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15:42<adb> updates ends ~ 1 year after last release
15:43<ml|>adb: hello, thanks
15:43<adb>hi ,yw
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15:49<themill>Some packages in etch have already lost security support, e.g. iceweasel ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html
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15:51<ml|>if that is the case why not move to lenny, for security reasons
15:52<mduell>I appreciate the info, but I'm too far abstracted from the distro selection process to influence the discussion.
15:53<locklace>you're just the poor bastard who has to live with the fallout, am i right
15:54<themill>better to make life easier for yourself now then.... etch has a fairly finite lifespan now
15:54<mduell>no, the decision makers get to live with the fallout on any public/production facing systems.
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16:06<ruben>Is it possible to get glass-like window decorations with metacity?
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16:08<ReedWood>hello, someone arround who can help me connecting to an wep encryped ap?
16:08<ReedWood>I am using 2.6.29-2
16:08<ReedWood>and networkmanager .7
16:09<ReedWood>debian sid
16:09<locklace>ReedWood: ifconfig wlan0 up, iwconfig wlan0 essid <id>, iwconfig wlan0 key <key>,
16:09<locklace>done
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16:10<stuckey>how do I keep my screen from blanking while watching a movie?
16:11<stuckey>Sorry If I've asked this five times in this channel but it just keeps blanking no matter what I do.
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16:11<locklace>stuckey: never saw your answer to my last question
16:11<stuckey>locklace: what was your last question?
16:11<ml|>stuckey: did you try what I said before
16:11<locklace>stuckey: asked whether you had DPMS and blanktime set in your xorg.conf
16:12<ml|>locklace: that is what i suggested before
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16:12<stuckey>What exactly is the line?
16:12<locklace>!screensaver
16:12<dpkg>To configure the screen-blanker for virtual (text) consoles, use the setterm(1) utility or edit /etc/console-tools/config for permanent changes. To configure the X screen-blanker and screen power management settings, use the xset(1) utility or set the appropriate options in xorg.conf; see "man xorg.conf | less +/^SERVERFLAGS".
16:12<locklace>that man page has the details
16:13<locklace>there is at least a serverflag (blanktime) and monitor option (dpms) you need to set
16:13<locklace>look at the "serverflags" and "monitor" sections
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16:14<ruben>Is it possible to get glass-like window decorations with metacity?
16:14<ruben>Or am I just being ignored?
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16:15<ml|>stuckey: http://pastebin.com/d39c1b3a6
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16:15<locklace>!confuse ruben
16:15<dpkg>No, those are their ferret today, ruben? breeches of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste
16:15<ml|>lol
16:16<stuckey>testing..
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16:16<corge>haha
16:16<locklace>ml|: thought DPMS had to be in the Monitor section
16:17<ml|>locklace: works here in serverflags section, so dunno
16:18<locklace>cool
16:18<ml|>i have pasted that for him like 5 times now hope he tries it this time
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16:18<lafamiglia>ciao
16:18<ml|>!it
16:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:24<Sebboh>hi. I've set up a debian guest vserver, and it was built by debootstrap. It's an oldstable (etch) machine. ..Apt wasn't installed by default, so I downloaded a bunch of .debs and got it installed. But doesn't work, it complains and suggests -f to fix this, no way am I doing that. Here's the complaint: http://pastebin.ca/1420873 ..Advice?
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16:24<Sebboh>s/doesn't work/apt won't install anything or do an upgrade/
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16:27<mentor>Sebboh: Sounds like you didn't build the guest correctly with debootstrap
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16:27<stuckey>this is fucking rediculious
16:28<stuckey>my screen is still blanking
16:28<lafamiglia>ma come cazzo si scarica help me
16:28<stuckey>What language do you speak?
16:28<lafamiglia>italan
16:28<stuckey>!it
16:28<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:28<locklace>stuckey: paste xset q
16:28<stuckey>And it's "italian."
16:29<Sebboh>mentor, Right. Only seven packages were installed by default, fortunately dpkg was one of them. But the system seems to be working, I'd like to fix apt now.
16:29<stuckey>locklace: http://paste.debian.net/35963/
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16:31<ml|>stuckey: dunno why is not working for you xset q here and your are identical, maybe something with monitor or graphics card?
16:32<locklace>or bios
16:32<locklace>or maybe it's not the x screenblanker at all, but some other screensaver process you have running
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16:33<ml|>locklace: was just about to say, maybe some other screensaver running
16:33<ruben>What I would like is a glass like bar at the top of my windows, similar to the vista thing, but not like vista
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16:34<ruben>Does anyone have any idea how this could be achived without compiz or beryl?
16:34<ml|>stuckey: those settings work here on two different systems
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16:35<locklace>he probably has xscreensaver running and never bothered to check
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16:36<ml|>locklace: yes only thing i could think of also besides the above
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16:37<locklace>ruben: maybe try a gnome or ubuntu channel
16:38<ruben>Ok
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16:38<Sebboh>btw, the solution to my strife was to actually run the command that apt recommended: apt-get -f install ... I'd previously heard that I shouldn't do that, but it was the right choice in this situation.
16:39<ml|>Sebboh: ever thought of using aptitude
16:39<mentor>but, but, but... 7 packages isn't a system... it's 7 packages....
16:40<locklace>maybe they're really big packages
16:40<mentor>Sebboh: You should consider installing all the packages in the base section
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16:40<ml|>!tell Sebboh about aptitude
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16:40<ml|>!tell Sebboh about why aptitude
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16:41<Sebboh>mentor, it had dpkg and basefiles, and now it has working apt-get, and now it has ssh and mc and it's about to have apache. :P Ye of little faith. And, I dunno, the only part I like about aptitude is that it has an interface to those little tag things.
16:41<Sebboh>..yeah thanks for the dpkg there, buddy. I'm not going to use aptitude, and even if I *were* it wouldn't have installed on the system we're talking about here, not without 3x the work I'd already done.
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16:42<Sebboh>mentor, I'll install some of them. Like net-tools. I like that one. :P
16:42<oipunx>hey my xvidcap is outputting wierd video playback
16:42<stuckey>It's the screen saver that's activating
16:43<stuckey>It's not just blanking... it's the fucking screen saver and it wont' go away
16:43<Sebboh>locklace, I guess basefiles is a big package. :)
16:43<stuckey>how do I turn the thing off
16:43<stuckey>can I just uninstall it?
16:44<oipunx>i tried reinstall xvidcap but it still doing it
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16:46<locklace>stuckey: just kill the screensaver process.
16:46<stuckey>locklace: how do I do that?
16:46<stuckey>this is a program that runs in the background all the time?
16:46<stuckey>it's included with gnome?
16:47<locklace>if you're using gnome, there's probably some gui config where you can just turn it off.
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16:47<oipunx>anyone use xvidcap that can help
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16:48<stuckey>i hate shit like this... it just does something and you don't know how it's doing it.
16:48<ml|>locklace: there is an option in bios to turn virtualization -> AMD virtualization enable
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16:49<Sebboh>http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/base/ <-- aren't there supposed to be a bunch of virtual packages in there? (I think I already know the answer, that web interface doesn't display virt packages..) Where can I get a list of them?
16:49<ml|>stuckey: found the problem?
16:49<locklace>stuckey: then don't use gnome
16:49<locklace>ml|: you'll want to flip that bit then
16:49<Sebboh>mentor, I'm aiming to follow your advice here. :)
16:49<stuckey>ml|: yeah, gnome.
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16:50<ml|>locklace: done :) just thought i'd let you know, since apparently there is the option in some bios
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16:51<ml|>stuckey: oh, no gnome here
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16:53<locklace>i can't believe in all this time he never bothered to mention the screen wasn't actually just blanking, but running a saver program
16:54<ml|>would had saved him alot of grief ;)
16:54<locklace>it would have saved *me* a lot of grief
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16:54<ml|>lol yes that too
16:54<stuckey>i told you a few days ago that I use stable, thus you should know.
16:54<ml|>and for me also
16:54<stuckey>it's the default to run a screen saver.
16:54<ml|>stuckey: no it's not
16:55<stuckey>I assure you it is.
16:55<stuckey>I *just* installed this system.
16:55<stuckey>I didn't change anything.
16:55<ml|>well must be gnome thing
16:55<stuckey>This was why I switched to wmii ...
16:55<stuckey>you never know what the fuck gnome is going to do.
16:56<ml|>!lart gnome
16:56*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on gnome
16:56<ml|>ok, so no problems with blanking now?
16:56<stuckey>if I just install wmii package, and then select it at gdm, will gnome still be "operating" ?
16:57<locklace>stuckey: there is no "default"
16:57<stuckey>You know, so like, doing stuff in the background that I don't know about.
16:57<locklace>no one installing stable has to install gnome
16:57<stuckey>ml|: I don't know I've been here chatting while watching the movie.
16:57<stuckey>locklace: it's the default if you select "desktop enviroment" during installation.
16:57<ml|>stuckey: if you select wmii only no
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16:58<stuckey>ml|: okay good
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16:59<ml|>stuckey: when you are confortable with wmii or any other wm purge gnome if ya want
16:59<graemer>hello
16:59<stuckey>ml|: I'm very comfortable with wmii...
16:59<stuckey>ml|: just, "apt-get purge gnome"?
17:00<ml|>yes, but you can leave if ya want
17:00<stuckey>ml|: no i hate it too much
17:00<graemer>i want to tryout compiz but the installed nv driver is not capable of running compiz
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17:00<graemer>which drive do i nedd for GeForce 7600?
17:00<stuckey>you'll have to use nvidia driver.
17:01<graemer>driver
17:01<stuckey>!nvidia
17:01<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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17:03<graemer>thx
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17:04<ml|>stuckey: why not start using aptitude
17:04<Frido>or Synaptics?
17:05*locklace expects ml| to start printing up aptitude t-shirts very soon
17:05<ml|>lol
17:05<ml|>yes it is my goal no reason to use apt-get or synaptics when you have aptitude
17:06<ml|>!tell Frido about why aptitude
17:06<ml|>!tell Frido about aptitude
17:06<stuckey>ml|: what's better about it?
17:06<Frido>I've used it in the distant past. It was wonderful.
17:06<ml|>!tell stuckey about why aptitude
17:07<ml|>!tell stuckey about aptitude
17:10<locklace>it would be nice if there was some guarantee of aptitude/synaptic feature parity, at least wrt package management
17:10<ml|>oh and you guys use what you like it's just my opinion :)
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17:11<ml|>locklace: that would be nice
17:11<Frido>ml|: I've used Aptitude to fix broken stuff, that bit worked like a charm.
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17:12<ml|>Frido: why not continue to use it, mixing apt-get and aptitude is not a good idea
17:12-!-nihil [~nihil@w214.wist.uni-linz.ac.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:12<ml|>or synaptics in your case
17:12<Frido>I haven't used it in this installation so I'll take your advice and not mix it.
17:13<stuckey>ml|: okay, how do I use aptitude to remove something?
17:13<stuckey>And what's this I hear about not using aptitude after you've used apt-get?
17:14<ml|>aptitude purge package or in aptitude and serach for package and shift - to purge
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17:14<dark>test
17:14<stuckey>works
17:14<dark>thx
17:15<Frido>Isn't Aptitude a command line front-end to apt-get?
17:15<OdyX>Frido: no
17:15<OdyX>!aptitude
17:15<dpkg>[aptitude] now the recommended tool for managing packages on your Debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in Lenny, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>.
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17:15<jackyf>no
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17:16<ml|>Frido: read msg from dpkg will explain everything
17:16<Frido>I have.
17:17<anus>damn i woke up cold morning guys
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17:17<ml|>stuckey: it's ok to switch but not go back in forth between both
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17:17<Sebboh>ml|, exactly. I'm not going to give up apt-get.
17:17<ml|>Sebboh: great :)
17:18<ml|>!kiss Sebboh
17:18*dpkg smooches Sebboh on the cheek
17:18<ml|>hehe
17:18*Sebboh blushes
17:18<ml|>lol
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17:19*ml| done with aptitude crusade ;)
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17:21<Frido>Anyone know or has an estimation how close is Squeeze to get 2.6.29 kernel?
17:22<chealer>dpkg: no, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>.
17:22<dpkg>chealer: okay
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17:24<Frido>Good night, good morning, good evening, good afternoon and goodbye all.
17:24<ml|>chealer: nice change thank you :)
17:24<famelix>nossa quanta coisa!
17:24<ml|>bye
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17:25<famelix>como é difícil migrar de um ambiente que você está acostumado... para um que você é um estranho e o ambiente também!
17:25<ml|>!br
17:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:25<famelix>thanks!
17:26<ml|>np or
17:26<ml|>!es
17:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:27<famelix>in portuguese?
17:27-!-karim [~karim@85-169-186-233.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #debian
17:27<adb>ml|: BRLix is a brasilian linux
17:27<ml|>!pt
17:27<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
17:27<famelix>puxa....
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17:28<famelix>como é ruim se sentir quase que totalmente perdido!
17:28<famelix>vontade de usar o novo ambiente é muito grande...
17:28<famelix>mas não dá nem para saber por onde começar!
17:29<adb>famelix: use /join #debian-pt
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17:29<ml|>adb: what are you saying?
17:29<famelix>nunca usei o linux!
17:29-!-Eulex [alex@81-237-247-113-no120.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:30<famelix>sorry!
17:30-!-adama [~adama@207.189.243.178] has joined #debian
17:30<famelix>my name is Claudio...
17:30<adb>ml|: your first !br was enough ;)
17:31<ml|>ah, oops sry
17:31<ml|>was just trying to be helpful
17:31<famelix>yes! This is the first use de debian and the linux!
17:31<ml|>and !br was a lucky guess
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17:32<ml|>famelix: congrats, if you have a questions just ask
17:32<useruseruser>good morning
17:32<ml|>hi
17:33<famelix> a good day for all users!
17:33<useruseruser>i had a nice sleep ;)
17:34<useruseruser>but now my room is freezing :-\
17:34<adama>is this story going anywhere?
17:34<adb>to ban ... ?
17:35<famelix>my english is bad!
17:35<adb>famelix: use /join #debian-pt
17:36<famelix>i understend... tanks for your help!
17:37<bja>famelix: if you think your english is an obstacle to solve your problem you can always go to #debian-br
17:37<drakeman>you welcome famelix, and my english is bad too :D
17:38<drakeman>i think that the people enters here because here are more users to help... #debian-pt doesnt have users, just 1
17:38<famelix>hehehe... tanks! :D
17:38<bja>drakeman: and #debian-br ??
17:39<drakeman>20
17:39<famelix>what is debian?
17:39<drakeman>debian is a linux distro
17:39<drakeman>:D
17:39<famelix>this is my first use!
17:39<useruseruser>famelix, debian is a linux distro
17:39<adb>yw
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17:40<famelix>hehehe... what is the distro? Sorry!
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17:41<useruseruser>famelix, distro means distribution
17:41<drakeman>mmm damnt, how i can explain that
17:41<drakeman>is like cars, you have my distro, you have a brand name toyota, but inside you have many differents like yaris, celica, tundra etc.
17:41<drakeman>:D
17:41<drakeman>same with linux...
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17:42<WAdmin>Hello, I was looking for someone in here who might know about installing Debian on a G5 Mac tower?
17:43<bja>famelix: Why don't you take a look at http://www.debian.org it might be more useful
17:43<adb>famelix: cat /etc/debian_version
17:43<famelix>Windows XP is my old operating system.
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17:43-!-Hammer is now known as WAdmin
17:43<WAdmin>I did
17:43<WAdmin>I'm having a strange issue when I boot from the CD, I just get a mesh of blue lines on the monitor. Can't find much about it on Google
17:44<drakeman>and why you dont use windows xp anymore?
17:44<bja>famelix: Try googling "transition windows linux" lots of info there
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17:44<famelix>thanks for your link!
17:44<bja>WAdmin: Did you download any images yet?
17:45<WAdmin>Yes, I have the Debian 5.0.1 image, YDL 6.0 and 6.1, and a Gentoo live CD, but I'm running into the same issue on every one. Debian 5.0.1 is what I want to wind up with on this box.
17:46<bja>WAdmin: What procesor does your G5 tower has?
17:46<dmoerner>WAdmin, i've heard of that error once before, let me google for a bit
17:46<ml|>!tell WAdmin -bout ppc
17:47<ml|>!tell WAdmin -about ppc
17:47<useruseruser>!tell WAdmin about ppc
17:47<WAdmin>It's got 2 Power PC 970's (2.2)
17:47<useruseruser>!tell WAdmin -about ppc
17:47-!-geenna [~geenna@93-46-40-184.ip105.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via]
17:47*adb want a Power PC 970's
17:48<useruseruser>!tell useruseruser -about ppc
17:48<famelix>thanks for all... Good bye!
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17:48<dmoerner>!+tell useruseruser -about selftell
17:48<dpkg>told useruseruser about selftell.
17:48<ml|>hehe
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17:49<bja>I've been a good boy can someone lend me his power pc pls?
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17:49<useruseruser>!+tell useruseruser -about ppc
17:49<dpkg>told useruseruser about ppc.
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17:49<ml|>ppc are ok, but load sob
17:50<ml|>*loud
17:50<WAdmin>bja: you're really going to hate me when I tell you I found it in the trash at my office building
17:50<dmoerner>WAdmin, i tried googling but i couldn't find what i was thinking about
17:50<ml|>WAdmin: read msg from dpkg
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17:50<bja>WAdmin: Yes I hate you grrrr
17:50<ml|>lol
17:51<bja>One man's trash is another man's treasure
17:51<ml|>WAdmin: is it in good working order?
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17:51<ml|>bja: ye
17:51<ml|>yes
17:52<bill_>ehi anybody know where are the konversation configuration and logs files? I want to import my old konversation servers and log in a new home. Thanks for answering ^_^
17:52<WAdmin>It's in great working order, booted right up, I just had to reinstall OSX
17:53<ml|>heh why throw out a g5 in good working order
17:53<bja>WAdmin: This is getting personal right?
17:53<bja>ml|: Beats me
17:53<ml|>bunch of dummies ;)
17:53<adb>WAdmin: add new VGA pci card may help
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17:54<WAdmin>adb: that's a good plan, I was thinking it was hardware related
17:54<bja>WAdmin: Do you have console acces on your powerpc?
17:54*bja just sighs at the picture
17:55<WAdmin>bja: I know there is a console, but I'm not sure how to access it
17:55<useruseruser>i wish i had a girlfriend *sigh*
17:55<adb>WAdmin: ssh IP
17:55<bja>WAdmin: There is something called the finder
17:55<OdyX>!girlfriend
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17:56<WAdmin>bja: Yeah, I'm in the finder
17:56<bja>WAdmin: Type console and it should open a window where you it should be in
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17:57<bja>WAdmin: What we be looking for is the hardware details, to see where they are supported best. Take a look at #debianppc the experts on the subject are there :)
17:57<chealer>bill_: ask #debian-kde
17:58<ml|>should be applications-->utilities
17:58<bja>WAdmin: God, do i envy you
17:58<adb>bja: yeah , but what he can do from macOS console to install debian ?
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17:59<bill_>thx chealer
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17:59<WAdmin>bja: I'm in the console
17:59<themill>bill_: it's configurable. Settings -> Configure -> Logging.
17:59<ml|>to get specs apple icon about this mac i believe
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18:00<WAdmin>This PPC has a ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
18:01<adb>must be supported ...
18:01<themill>bill_: config appears to be in ~/.kde/share/config/konversationrc and/or ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation
18:01<bja>adb: A friend of mine got the Video Card settings which debian installer couldn't get to get things going
18:02<adb>oh .
18:03<bja>adb: mac osx is another flavor of unix, which is more or less hackable
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18:04<adb>better hack for osx is ... debian
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18:07<bja>WAdmin: I'm in uncharted territory for me, but i Believe that if you look at the /etc directory you will also look at the configuration files for the Mac, and on the proc directory you can get the cmd line params for the darwing kernel
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18:07<bja>WAdmin: This is all from memory my mac expert is not reachable right now .(
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18:08<WAdmin>bja: Thanks a whole lot for your help, that should give me something to go on, and I have a couple of other video cards here I might try!
18:09<bja>WAdmin: Never forget that i still hate you :)
18:09<bja>grrr
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18:09<WAdmin>:-)
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18:16<ohye>how is it called the thing that blocks directly log ins to root
18:16<ohye>so you can only logg in into root by su from another user
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18:17<bja>ohye: be more specific too many possibilities.
18:17<shamanix>closest thing I know of as a noob is not to have sudo, fakeroot, etc installed
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18:19<bja>shamanix: I don't know whate ohye is referring to, no root acces through ssh, normal tty login or graphics pam login??
18:19<bja>shamanix: all acomplished through different /etc/ files
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18:20<Gun_Smoke>does --keyserver URI:nkp://pgp.mit.edu/:80 look correct for gpg.conf ?
18:21<minerale>ssh-vulnkey tells me my /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key:1: is compromised, is that my own systems' key?
18:21<weasel>no
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18:21<weasel>pgp.mit.edu is always wrong
18:22<weasel>it's a broken keyserver that mangles keys under certain circumstances
18:22<weasel>it's a disservice to everyone, and people should not use it - it just breaks stuff
18:23<minerale>weasel: so are you saying a tool in my system is getting incorrect data from the php.mit.edu server and thus the output from ssh-vulnkey is incorrect?
18:23<weasel>no
18:23<bja>minerale: weasel is talking with Gun_Smoke
18:24<Gun_Smoke>weasel, I think this is better..
18:24<Gun_Smoke>nkp://pgp.mit.edu eh
18:24<weasel>Gun_Smoke: no.
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18:24<anus>my dick is lonely
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18:24<Gun_Smoke>buh bye
18:24<@weasel>Gun_Smoke: still using the wrong keyserver
18:24<Gun_Smoke>gerrr...
18:24<@weasel>Gun_Smoke: how about hkp://keys.gnupg.net/
18:24<@weasel>Gun_Smoke: or just "keys.gnupg.net"
18:24<Gun_Smoke>weasel, thanks..
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18:30<ComradeHaz>Hi guys, trying to compile something from source, but fail at the first hurdle wit: "checking for dbus-glib-1... Package dbus-glib-1 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `dbus-glib-1.pc' tothe PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'dbus-glib-1' found configure: error: Library requirements (dbus-glib-1) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in
18:32<themill>ComradeHaz: apt-file is your friend.
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18:33<shamanix>or you could use synaptic, aptitude, etc
18:34<monoglets__>I have a problem with joystick analog usb ; I'm running Debian lenny and he not recognize the joystick... i try to make modules but not worked
18:34<ComradeHaz>well, I've searched the debian packages site
18:34<ComradeHaz>and the exact package is not there
18:34<ComradeHaz>there's plently like it
18:35<ComradeHaz>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dbus-glib-1
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18:36<shamanix>ComradeHaz: my guess is you need libdbus-glib-1-2 or libdbus-glib-1-dev
18:36<bja>ComradeHaz: try this " dpkg -L libdbus-glib-1-2"
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18:37<themill>ComradeHaz: apt-file search dbus-glib-1.pc
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18:37<shamanix>since you are trying to compile its probably the dev one
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18:38<ComradeHaz>giot them both shamanix
18:39<ComradeHaz>themill: do you not mean apt-cache search?
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18:39<themill>I do not. I mean apt-file.
18:39<themill>dpkg: tell ComradeHaz about apt-file
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18:40<ComradeHaz>ok, sorry :)
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20:23<ede>does someone know how to set proxy per adress bar in iceweasel?
20:26<shamanix>proxy per adress bar? do you mean different proxy per website?
20:26<ede>for example: proxy:port?website
20:26<ede>: port
20:27<ede>i know it works but forgot how
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20:28<chealer>ede: you have several address bars in Iceweasel?
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20:29<ede>no
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20:30<bja>ede: Do you mean that if you acces debian.org use proxy a and if you acces google use proxy b
20:30<bja>??
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20:30<ede>if that is possible
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20:32<ede>i meant that if i visit google for example that i surf over the proxy but set it only before the web adress
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20:33<bja>ede: I know you can configure different proxys for different protocols, but ie never seen what you are looking for.
20:33<adama>something like http://proxy.url:23234/www.google.com
20:33<bja>I've
20:33<ede>so i mean it adama
20:34<ede>i thought there is a bind command
20:35<adama>not sure, sorry
20:35<ede>thank you
20:36<ede>maybe i had a dream or something
20:36<bja>ede: You are not lost, i remember sometime ago it was a service you could get on some sites
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20:37<bja>ede: ask at #tor, i remember it was intended for privacy
20:37<shamanix>so you got it working? how? http://proxy.url:23234/www.google.com format does absolutly nothing for me
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20:38<ede>i will look for it tomorrow, need to sleep now
20:38<bja>ede: cu
20:38<ede>cu and thanks
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20:40<bja>shamanix: If I'm right it was a proxy service you accessed on certain sites I really just don't remember the details, but if I'm right it was used for anonimity purposes.
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20:41<bja>Anyone, where is the balance point between a cgi script written in perl and a the same script written in C
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20:42<bja>Meaning when is the point that the compilation time of the perl script hinders the perfomance of it?
20:43<bja>Or how do I meassure the compile time on a perl cgi script?
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20:44<Aex>eaa
20:45<Aex>hola.
20:45<Aex>hola chicas.
20:45<bja>!es
20:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:29<nick_>I am trying to install grub again I have got to a shell prompt mounted the partition and ran grub now when I try install hd0,0 I get the error invalid device name. What is going on?
21:30<morhook>use this: http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html
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21:31<abrotman>morhook: what does that have to do with his problem?
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21:32<morhook>abrotman: is something they wrote earlier
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21:38<nick_>I am trying to install grub again I have got to a shell prompt mounted the partition and ran grub now when I try install hd0,0 I get the error invalid device name. What is going on? I have already chrooted into the directory but am still not able to install grub to the MBR.
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21:50<abrotman>which command are you using?
21:51<shamanix>hey that anonymouse site ain't half bad, I tested it with a few whatismyip+useragent+osdetect+blahblahblah sites and it does what it says on the tin rather nicely.
21:51<nick_>first I run grub then at the grub prompt I run install hd0,0 before that I run mount -text3 /dev/hda1 /mnt then do chroot /mnt anything else I should try?
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21:57<nick_>the directions in fixmbr with dpkg did nothing still get the errors and mount has no --bind option.
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22:02<nick_>if I do grub-install I get the message /dev/hda not a block device but I am using udev and don't think things are mountain or being seen properly or showing.
22:03<nick_>how do I just tell grub to install everywhere just to get it installed again.
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22:08<magyar>does grub2 has a shell like grub did?
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22:08<magyar>grub does
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22:09<nick_>I am using normal grub did not know grub2 existed. where should I look for answers I need to turn on udev I think how do I do this.
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22:11<abrotman>magyar: it has a shell .. it's different, but still has one
22:11<magyar>abrotman: how do i access it from a bash prompt?
22:13<abrotman>i don't think you do? never tried
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22:23<nick_>Where is the best place to get help with reinstallation of grub?
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22:33<chucknorriou>hey everyone, I've got a question regardin the Debian install. At what point do you get to select a desktop? I did an install as guest on a vmware using the i386 DVD of Debian 5.1 and didn't get to choose. Is adding the desktop a post install manual process?
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22:34<tbrock>how do you enable emacs color syntax highlighting in debian?
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22:40<abrotman>chucknorriou: did you have network at the time?
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22:41<chucknorriou>yes
22:42<chucknorriou>I didn't use the graphic install mode though, does that make a difference?
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22:42<abrotman>nope
22:42<abrotman>which desktop do you want?
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22:43<chucknorriou>I actually wanted "awesome" but I thought Xorg was going to be installed during the install process, which it wasn't.
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22:45<abrotman>so .. aptitude install xorg awesome
22:45<abrotman>and xdm or something like that if you want it
22:46<chucknorriou>I tried installing both xorg and awesome manually but running startx startx twm. The global xinitrc only has one line in it.
22:46<chucknorriou>I have no .xinitrc in my home dir
22:47<chucknorriou>I tried copying the global file to my home dir and adding an 'awesome &' line in there but startx still startx twm.
22:47<abrotman>manually ?
22:48<chucknorriou>sorry by manually I mean not through the installation process. I used 'apt-get install xorg' and 'apt-get install awesome' which installed without any errors.
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22:49<abrotman>!info choosewm lenny
22:50<dpkg>choosewm: (fake x-session-manager allowing the user to choose a wm), section x11, is extra. Version: 0.1.3-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
22:52<chucknorriou>hmm, can you explain that to a newbie like me?
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22:56<chealer>chucknorriou: during tasksel
22:57<abrotman>i think he's saying he's past that
22:57<chealer>chucknorriou: it's not supposed to be a post install process (unless you want any non-default desktop)
22:58<abrotman>chucknorriou: did you try .xsession ?
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22:58<chucknorriou>no I didn't
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22:58<chucknorriou>is that where it might be launching twm?
22:59<abrotman>there's also `update-alternatives --config x-window-manager`
23:01<chucknorriou>ok, I'll give that a shot too. As long as I know it's not a post install process I can go through it again. Perhaps I missed something or pressed the enter key too quickly.
23:02<chucknorriou>thanks guys.
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23:22<Zviper>how do i see what's running on a specific port?
23:23<dkr>netstat -lnp
23:23<duraperidol>howdy
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23:32<Zviper>how do i kill everything on port 443?
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23:39<Zviper>anyone?
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23:41<adb>stop https
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23:44<chealer>Zviper: what do you have on port 443?
23:44<Zviper>python scripts
23:44<Zviper>it's torrentflux
23:44<Zviper>i'd rather not kill them but it seems i have to
23:45<Zviper>python 1508 www-data 3u IPv6 6586 TCP *:https (LISTEN)
23:45<Zviper>python 2264 www-data 3u IPv6 6586 TCP *:https (LISTEN)
23:45<Zviper>etc..
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23:45<Zviper>i stopped the apache2 server trying to do something
23:46<Zviper>when i restart the apache2 service i get make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:443
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23:49<Zviper>how can i make it so that when people type https:// it automatically redirects to 444 instead of having to type :444?
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23:50<chealer>Zviper: so kill these
23:51<Zviper>but they are running transfers, i'd rather not kill them as they will stop
23:51<Zviper>and there are loads of em
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23:52<chealer>Zviper: well, don't do it if you don't want, I was just answering your question.
23:53<chealer>Zviper: do you really mean 444 or 443?
23:53<Zviper>444 because no process is using 444
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23:54<Zviper>and it works so if i can seemlessly redirect the user to https://example.com:444 when they type https://example.com it'd be perfect
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23:56<adb>https connect by default to 443 , right ?
23:56<Zviper>yeah
23:57<adb>so no need of https://example.com:443
23:57<Zviper>yes but i am trying to get 444 to work instead
23:57<adb>i means to type this part :443
23:58<Zviper>?
23:59<chealer>Zviper: with Apache, you can use a rewrite rule.
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