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---Logopened Sat May 16 00:00:15 2009
00:01<jas>u can try to change your implemantation with NIS Domain or LDAP ...
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00:52<Steven_M>Is there a security upgrade for lenny in regard to this DSA: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1794
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01:10<Steven_M>are kernel upgrades not put under the security upgrades section of aptitude?
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01:15<streuner>!security
01:15<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
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01:18<Steven_M>streuner: I have, there's no security upgrade showing for the kernel :(
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01:26<streuner>Steven_M: that sounds to me, its an issue for 2.6.18 kernels, specially for etch?
01:27<streuner>Steven_M: so you running oldstable or what kind of branch do you run?
01:28<enouf>streuner: i concur - seems it's a 2.6.18-ish issue
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01:30<enouf>Steven_M: Etch (4.0) / Oldstable is still supported, (and likely will be through ~02/2010)
01:30<streuner>thats why it mentioned/fixed at all in Debian...
01:30<Steven_M>streuner: I'm running lenny
01:30<streuner>ok
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01:31<streuner>so no worries
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01:31<Steven_M>I'm running the 2.6.26-1-amd64
01:31<enouf>Steven_M: streuner although .... "Buffer overflow in fs/cifs/connect.c in CIFS in the Linux kernel 2.6.29 and earlier allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) via a long nativeFileSystem field in a Tree Connect response to an SMB mount request."
01:32<enouf>http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-1439
01:32<enouf>follow any one of the CVEs listed
01:33<enouf>Steven_M: i presume, it's being worked on - have you looked/joined debian-security-announce mailing list?
01:33<Steven_M>enouf: streuner yeah, that's why I'm worried
01:33<chealer>Steven_M: there is (note that this DSA covers several vulnerabilities)
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01:36<Steven_M>chealer: so why isn't there an update for it showing in aptitude?
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01:37<chealer>Steven_M: which revision of the Debian Linux packages do you use (note that 2.6.26-1-amd64 only represents the kernel's ABI, not its complete version)
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01:41<Steven_M>chealer: so what should do?
01:42<chealer>Steven_M: if you don't mind, which revision of the Debian Linux packages do you use?
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01:44<Steven_M>chealer: Lenny, is that what you mean?
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01:45<chealer>Steven_M: well, do you use the latest Linux packages in stable security updates (2.6.26-15lenny2) or what?
01:46<drakeman>hey people, the only way to edit the options in gnome-panel is with gconf editor? there is no a way to do it trough xml file or somethink similar?
01:46<drakeman>thanks.
01:46<chealer>Steven_M: if you use linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64, I'm asking your version of that package
01:47<Steven_M>how do I find out?
01:47<enouf>Not Found The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-15lenny2/changelog was not found on this server. Apache Server at packages.debian.org Port 80
01:47<enouf>:-(
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01:48<chealer>Steven_M: suppose you'd use Synaptic, you could search for "linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64" and look at the Installed version
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01:52<enouf>drakeman: i'm sure the xml files are somewhere
01:52<enouf>drakeman: /msg dpkg gnome ; i don't use gnome
01:53<drakeman>enouf, thanks im trying to google for the specific xml file but i cant find it anywhere, and thanks for your help! just ask because i dont think gconf editor is the only way to do it.
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02:28<washi>good morning
02:28<drakeman>washi, good morning!
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02:29<washi>I have a small problem: using debian testing, kde and emacs; writing ruby code - yes, finally settled on ruby
02:29<washi>I prefer emacs to kate, nut the latter has fr better syntax highlighting
02:29<washi>so what I want is the highlighting of the second in the first
02:29<washi>my q is
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02:30<washi>is there a way to convert the xml file into elisp
02:30<washi>I mean the kate xml file with ruby highlighting conf
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02:30<washi>because I don't feel like writing 500+ lines of xml into elisp
02:31<washi>in fact, I don't know emacs lisp
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02:32<washi>does anyone know of an automated way
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02:33<dasneek>hey guys
02:33<jas>hi all
02:35<drakeman>hi
02:35<jas>cexplain washi : automated way to reach what?
02:35<jas>*explain
02:36<washi>well
02:36<washi>I mean
02:36<washi>using debian testing, emacs
02:36<washi>writing ruby code
02:36<washi>I like Kate highlighting
02:36<washi>and prefer emacs,
02:36<washi>I am faster with it
02:36<washi>but
02:36<jas>lol
02:37<washi>I want kate ighlighting into emacs
02:37<dasneek>guys...
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02:37<washi>to do it,
02:37<dasneek>our school is in this online vote contest with another school.
02:37<dasneek>and were in second place.
02:37<washi>I have the kate xml file
02:37<dasneek>but the other shcool has a bot to fill out the vote for them! fast!
02:37<washi>but i need to convert it into elisp
02:38<jas>is a conf file?
02:38<washi>xml conf file, for ruby highlighting
02:38<washi>in kate
02:38<washi>yes
02:38<jas>mmmmm
02:38<washi>I don't know any elisp
02:38<washi>and don't want to write 500+ lines of xml into elisp by hand
02:39<jas>u have to re-imlpemet xml syntax to emacs conf
02:39<Hideo>washi: I don't use emacs, but have you try "apt-cache search emacs ruby" ??
02:39<jas>emacs conf is in xml?
02:39<washi>no, everything in emacs is lisp dialect. emacs lisp
02:39<washi>elisp
02:39<washi>I have installed ruby-mode for emacs
02:39<washi>I have highlighting
02:40<washi>but it is very poor
02:40<jas>lol
02:40<washi>better without any such
02:40<Hideo>ah ok, nvm then
02:40<jas>find whwre emacs read xml to highlit ruby-code and then re-implement as u want!
02:41<washi>jas: I cannot read that?
02:41<washi>what do you mean?
02:41<washi>emacs does not grasp xml;
02:41<washi>it has tens of thousands elisp conf files
02:42<jas>if u dont want re-write bu hand code and code, however u must read the code, u can use copy&paste lol
02:42<[N]Sassi>DPS last spot gundrak normal summon right away
02:42<dasneek>huh
02:42<Hideo>washi: perhaps it's may be better if you ask in an emacs channel =P
02:43<washi>Hideo: I did
02:43<Hideo>oh idlers?
02:43<washi>they responded that
02:43<dasneek>k.
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02:43<washi>I need to either edit the emacs global mode or
02:43<washi>edit the ruby.el conf file
02:44<washi>but no-one heard of an automated way
02:44<washi>to be honest, I don't have days for this operation
02:44<jas>if emacs doesnt grasp (lol) xml find what emacs parse and re-implement by hand the xml code ...
02:46<jas>u cant have your brain to an automated way in computers
02:46<jas>lol
02:48<jas>if doesnt exist an automated code translator xml>emacs conf sintax code
02:48<jas>simple
02:48<washi>jas, I got that; maybe there is no automated way and emacs is made only for zen buddhists spending their lifetime learning a text editor
02:49<jas>hahahahhahahahah
02:49<washi>what is so simple?
02:49<jas>use vi guy
02:49<washi>I have tried, but... well, I found emacs to be more comfortable
02:50<washi>don't like swithching modes
02:50<washi>everything in reach
02:50<washi>but
02:50<washi>probably I will leave emacs for non-x edit
02:51<washi>and use Kate when in X; although it is slower
02:51<jas>emacs make a compute slow .... in this case the computer are our way to have a knowledge no emacs
02:51<washi>I have heard that vi highlighting is no better btw
02:51<jas>about emacs*
02:52<jas>ehhehehe
02:52<jas>i dont write emacs cose sorry
02:53<jas>code*
02:53<washi>vi user?
02:53<jas>ask to manteiners
02:54<jas>me? i use vi when is necessary
02:54<washi>well, actually already filed a bug report
02:54<jas>bug?
02:54<washi>wishlist bug, yes
02:55<washi>anyway thanks
02:55<washi>bye
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02:56<jas>nothing i give u if not thought
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02:57<jas>approach is the key
02:57<jas>knowledge the way
02:57<EmleyMoor>Where a kernel update does not create a new directory in /lib/modules, is it necessary/advisable to rebuild the "out of kernel" modules?
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02:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: if its a debian kernel, no
02:58<EmleyMoor>valdyn: As I thought - thanks.
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03:33<blackout>hola
03:34<blackout>hola hello
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03:34<jas>ciao
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03:41<jas>i opened a query view with dpkg bot, how i can ask help to it?
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03:50<chealer>jas: about what?
03:51<jas>anything
03:51<chealer>jas: do you have an example or do you just want to try it?
03:51<jas>for example, i need source.list information
03:51<chealer>!sources.list
03:51<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
03:51<jas>or info about a command
03:52<jas>oh .. :P thanks im a n00b
03:52<joe__>anyone here use gphpedit ?
03:52<joe__>there is an annoying line going down the middle of the screen, cant figure out where to turn it off or move it or something
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03:59<EmleyMoor>How in aptitude do I find all packages that are not installed but still have config?
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04:02<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: aptitude search '!~i~c'
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04:04<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Actually, just '~c' will do.
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04:17<Tomasso>Hi all, I am using flash player 10.0.22.87, I have already tried opera, iceweasel and konqueror browser but flash animation are still very slow. In Win they are faster. How can I make they fster in Debian too?
04:18<Supaplex>sounds like that non-free stuff adobe keeps throwing around
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04:20<Tomasso>I have AMD Thurion 2GHz, 2GB RAM and NVDIA 8400 GS, acceleration in KDE and its still slow.
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04:22<Tomasso>Maybe this is this issue on every distribution, because adobe :)
04:23<Lethalman>I've no problems with non-free flash
04:24<Tomasso>it works but it is very slow, I can see it in flash games for example
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04:26<valdyn>Tomasso: are you sure its adobe flash or are you using a different plugin
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04:26<valdyn>Tomasso: what is your window manager?
04:27<valdyn>Tomasso: flash is also known to be slow.
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04:27<Tomasso>It is adobe flash, I am using KDE 3.5.10
04:27*Supaplex rsyncs the box to a ramdisk in preperation for pivot root, and some fireworks.
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04:30<duraperidol>why does my cursor dissappear after a logout? <- lenny, netinstalled 48 hours ago
04:30<duraperidol>said cursor dissappears after either a logout (gdm), or employing skill -kill
04:31<duraperidol>it dissappears for all accounts that login afterwards
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04:53<Supaplex>I refuse.
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05:06<Provito>Best way of running rsync with ionice and nice ?
05:06<Provito>rsyncd sorry
05:10<grummund>Hi, i wonder if someone could help me with some iptables rules to limit ssh connection rate? - http://pastebin.com/d56837077
05:11<grummund>i think it should reject connections faster than 6/min, but in fact it's not letting me connect at all
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05:18<Ascavasaion>I did an update using Synaptic, and my riva TNT2 graphics card stopped working, KMail is stuffed, and heaven knows what else is also not working.
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05:20<locklace>!doesn't work
05:20<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> <errors>
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05:21<Ascavasaion>locklace: Okay... X Windows does not open. and when I open it with the default nv driver in xorg.conf it opens but with no GLX. KMail freezes when you try to do anything in it.
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05:22<quaker66>hi. I am compiling E17 on Debian Sid - i386 and python bindings failed. It said cython failed because of "close failed: Errno 9: Bad file descriptor", this happens only on sid-i386, on sid-amd64 and lenny/squeeze-amd64/i386 it builts OK. It is a chrooted environment created by pbuilder.
05:22<locklace>some info on what version of debian you're using and what you updated would also not be amiss
05:22<quaker66>Is it a bug in sid-i386 python or am i doing something bad?
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05:23<quaker66>that Bad file descriptor error happens also when i install gstreamer because it uses os.popen or when i run os.popen('echo test') in python in sid-i386
05:23<quaker66>host system is Debian Lenny - amd64
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05:24<Ascavasaion>locklace: It was an 800Mb upgrade, no idea what all it upgraded... hundreds packages.
05:24<quaker66>i also tried apt-get upgrade today, it upgraded several packages but no fix
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05:25<Supaplex>well that was fun. I didn't have enough to fireup /dev after it was unmounted, and somehow / on tmpfs became readonly. fscking useless. so echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger it is. :)
05:25<Supaplex>time for zzZzzz.
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05:27<quaker66>i googled for that error two hours.. but i didn't find anything useful. :(
05:27<quaker66>those python is the only thing which is blocking me from release of packages for sid
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05:33<grummund>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m limit --limit 3/minute --limit-burst 5 -j LOGREJECT
05:33<grummund>can anyone see what's wrong with that ^^ rule? it rejects all ssh no matter the rate.
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05:44<Supaplex>grummund: you've set three packets per minute there. (per host).
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05:45<Hack-p>Hi all
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05:46<grummund>Supaplex: I also have iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
05:47<Supaplex>it's not unusual for multiple syn packets to be sent when initating a single session
05:47<grummund>ah...
05:47<grummund>that would explain it
05:49<Supaplex>http://rafb.net/p/8eIzgx47.html might be something to tickle your fancy.
05:49<grummund>:-O
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05:49<Supaplex>add whitelisted hosts where line 5,6 are etc.
05:50<Supaplex>works for transit, and direct traffic.
05:50<Supaplex>leaves logs of abusers without spamming the %*@$( out of syslog if they get too excitable.
05:50<grummund>Supaplex: this is what i had originally (it didn't work well either): http://pastebin.com/d56837077
05:51<Supaplex>I'm too tired to compute.
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05:52<grummund>n.m. ;) thanks.
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05:59<Shish>When merging two packages, is putting "Replaces: oldpackage" in the control file sufficient to remove the old one, or do I need Replaces and Conflicts?
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06:05<locklace>Shish: well, policy manual has this to say about Replaces:
06:05<locklace>"If a package is completely replaced in this way, so that dpkg does not know of any files it still contains, it is considered to have "disappeared". It will be marked as not wanted on the system (selected for removal) and not installed."
06:06<Shish>Ah, I read that and figured it was a specific case and I wanted the general; but now that you mention it this particular package merge does fit that case :)
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06:07<locklace>yeah, it's a little unclear what happens in case there are still be traces of the old package lurking around :)
06:08<locklace>i think you would need Conflicts to ensure removal in that case
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06:10<locklace>(this seems to follow from 7.6.2)
06:10<fanto666>hello, after installing updated lenny kernel images, lilo doens't seem to be run although I have 'do_bootloader = Yes' in /etc/kernel-img.conf
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06:11<locklace>don't know about that, but why are you still using lilo anyway
06:11<fanto666>cause I still like it
06:11<locklace>it's a lot more of a pain than grub.
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06:12<abrotman>fanto666: you could use a postinst command
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06:13<weasel>I thought lenny images stopped doing do_bootloader entirely and one had to use hooks now
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06:15<abrotman>it's still in the man page and supposedly defaults to yes
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06:19<fanto666><weasel> might be the problem <abrotman> might be the bug... the manpage stills reports the hooks about running before loader
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06:24<fanto666>hmmm
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06:28<fanto666>hmmm release notes complaining about too big initramfs
06:28<fanto666>haven't had problem with this one
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06:31<fanto666>but they also recommend to put the "do_bootloader = Yes" to kernel-img.conf
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06:37<Waringham>hello, could someone help me please. I installed Debian with Gruub (not sur of right spelled). Now i want to install and test react os and i formated the hdd. but after i installed react os, gruub is still there and displays an errormessage and i cant boot. How can i remove gruub?
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06:44<fanto666>heh,and someone asked me why I still use lilo ;-)
06:45<fanto666>what's react os?
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06:45<amphi>a win32 reimplementation, if I recall correctly
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06:47<locklace>Waringham: what do you mean you "formated the hdd"? did you change the partition table?
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06:51<abrotman>fanto666: that doesn't sound like a grub issue FWIW
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06:54<valdyn>windows kernel reimplementation, i think they use wine for win32
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06:55<valdyn>and native win32 dlls should work anyway
06:55<abrotman>!reactos
06:55<dpkg>rumour has it, reactos is an open-source operating system for the x86 family of pcs and wants to create a windows nt (tm) compatible system. see http://www.reactos.com
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07:06<Guest2472>bom dia galera..to com um pro meio estranho pra mim..
07:07<abrotman>!br
07:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:08<Guest2472>ok, thanks
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07:22<locklace>£
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07:24<ootput>¥
07:25<avtobiff>kr
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07:28<bishop>hello
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07:29<bishop>my comp wont read cds when running debian ... i can boot from or read cds in any other distro but debian wont read them any help ?
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07:30<ootput>are you mounting these cds?
07:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 394] by debhelper
07:31<bishop>every time i try it just tells me mount: No medium found
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07:31<locklace>what kind of drive is it? what kind of controller? what version of debian?
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07:32<bishop>debian 5.0 stable 2.6.26-2-686
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07:32<bishop>sata dvd drive
07:32<locklace>can you paste "cat /proc/scsi/scsi"
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07:33<bishop>Attached devices:
07:33<bishop>Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
07:33<bishop> Vendor: ATA Model: WDC WD2500JS-60M Rev: 10.0
07:33<bishop> Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05
07:33<locklace>!paste
07:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
07:33<bishop>Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
07:33<bishop> Vendor: HL-DT-ST Model: DVDRAM GH20LS10 Rev: FL00
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07:33<bishop> Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 05
07:33<bishop>Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
07:33<bishop> Vendor: Brother Model: MFC-210C Rev: 1.00
07:33<abrotman>!paste
07:33<bishop> Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
07:33<jstein>hi anyone from "reportbug" team here?
07:33<abrotman>bishop: use paste.debian.net
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07:33<abrotman>dpkg: hi
07:34<dpkg>hey, abrotman
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07:35<bishop>http://paste.debian.net/36335
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07:35<mibman>bishop: Just a guess, maybe the user doesn't have permission to read from optical drives?
07:36<bishop>thats what i figured but i was trying to mount as root :-)
07:36<mibman>I think I've seen one of those options when making new user acounts.
07:36<locklace>bishop: can you do anything with the drive at all, like read/play audio discs
07:36<mibman>Oh. Okay.
07:36<bishop>no i cannot read any disk i put in
07:36<locklace>bishop: not even with dd
07:37<bishop>erm :-) dont know how to use dd
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07:37<locklace>bishop: dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/cdimage.raw bs=16K
07:37<bishop>dd: opening `/dev/sr0': No medium found
07:38<locklace>and that's the same with all different media, data cd, audio cd, dvd, ...?
07:38<bishop>yes any cd i put in
07:38<abrotman>bishop: paste all of dmesg in a pastebn
07:38<bishop>disk drive dosint even spin up whiel debian is running
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07:39<locklace>bishop: two options i can think of at this point: 1, try new kernel, install latest package from sid (2.6.29) and see if there's any difference; 2, flash the firmware
07:39<bishop>http://paste.debian.net/36336
07:41<abrotman>it appears the device is /dev/sdb ?
07:41<locklace>yeah, there's some slightly weird scsi stuff happening there...
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07:41<bishop>no /sdb is the hardrive debian is on
07:41<stuckey>How do I backport a package?
07:41<abrotman>!tell stuckey about ssb
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07:42<bishop>there is a sata hardrive 2 ide hardrives and a sata dvd romdrive
07:42<abrotman>bishop: it says sdb is a removable device
07:42<abrotman>(maybe means hotpluggable)
07:42<stuckey>abrotman: What if the package in question isn't in any repository?
07:42<abrotman>stuckey: you asked how to backport .. wtf
07:42<abrotman>bishop: how big is the HDD that debian is on?
07:43<bishop>60 gb
07:43<abrotman>the 60GB is hdb .. not sdb
07:43<abrotman>#
07:43<abrotman>[ 10.424949] hdb: 117231408 sectors (60022 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63
07:43<locklace>abrotman: sdb is something else, it's a MFC
07:43<bishop>o sry so it is :-)
07:44<bishop>thats my printer
07:44<abrotman>it looks like you have a 60GB, 80GB, and 250GB
07:44<bishop>correct
07:44<valdyn>bishop: so sr0 is your printer?
07:44<locklace>sr0 is definitely the dvd drive as it should be
07:44<bishop>mfc is the printer it takes cards like minisd
07:44<stuckey>abrotman: I'm wanting to try a newer version of a package, that isn't in debian yet.
07:44<stuckey>How do I do this?
07:44<valdyn>bishop: Brother Model: MFC-210C
07:44<abrotman>stuckey: which package ?
07:44<bishop>correct again :-)
07:45<stuckey>abrotman: Flightgear, 1.0.0 is in stable, but 1.9.0 is current.
07:45<locklace>bishop: anyway, sr0 is the right device, see above comment about trying new kernel and/or firmware flash (it should definitely work fine as sr0)
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07:45<abrotman>judd: versions flightgear
07:45<judd>abrotman: flightgear -- etch: 0.9.10-2 lenny: 1.0.0-3+b1 sid: 1.0.0-3+b1 squeeze: 1.0.0-3+b1
07:45<bishop>ok thank you guys for your help :-)
07:45<abrotman>there is a bit in the dmesg about "sr" and "sd" being out of date
07:45<locklace>abrotman: that's always there
07:46<valdyn>abrotman: thats everywhere
07:46<abrotman>never noticed it
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07:46<abrotman>stuckey: you'd download it and build it yourself or use .. uh ..
07:46<locklace>bishop: if the sid kernel doesn't help, suggest looking at the firmware at cdfreaks.com for your drive for the reflash
07:46<abrotman>!uudate
07:46<abrotman>!uupdate
07:46<dpkg>uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or eg. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz
07:47<bishop>ok thank you
07:47<stuckey>abrotman: what do I do if I run into problems with it needed newer dependencies than are in lenny?
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07:47<abrotman>stuckey: cry ?
07:47<abrotman>do the same thing with the deps ?
07:48<stuckey>That won't break shit?
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07:49<abrotman>stuckey: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510387
07:49<abrotman>stuckey: sure it'll likely break stuff .. but your game is hte most important thing on earth right ?
07:49<stuckey>abrotman: no not really
07:50<stuckey>abrotman: my dinner is more important
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07:50<abrotman>stuckey: it looks like they're working on packages .. he says they didn't work correctly
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07:52<stuckey>damn
07:53<stuckey>I built this on etch, I remember doing it.
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08:13<stuckey>Where can I get "plib version 1.8.5"?
08:13<stuckey>judd: versions plib
08:13<judd>stuckey: plib --
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08:14<CQ>hello, is there a debian dist that fits on a 100MB or less partition? I'm looking for a small emergency installation...
08:15<azeem_>CQ: don't cross-post
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08:15<locklace>stuckey: aptitude search plib
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08:15<CQ>azeem: different networks = different people, or are the channels linked? If so, sorry...
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08:16<azeem>CQ: a lot of regulars are the same, and you are annoying them
08:16<azeem>it's considered rude
08:17<stuckey>locklace: I built it from source
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08:23<stuckey>How do I make a .deb of something I've compiled?
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08:24<azeem>stuckey: read the debian policy manual
08:24<azeem>and/or the dpkg-dev manpage if you're masochisically inclined
08:25<stuckey>!masochisically
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08:26<stuckey>Which part of the package manual?
08:26<locklace>stuckey: also reading the faq before posting questions here would save everyone time
08:26<locklace>http://debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-creatingdebs
08:27<locklace>!faq
08:27<dpkg>[faq] Frequently Asked Questions. The #debian FAQ is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC . The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ is at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ . Also ask me about <listkeys faq> and <search> my factoids. Many other FAQ are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/FAQ . Read the FAQs!
08:27<stuckey>locklace: cool thanks
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08:46<bilbeat>bonjour les gens :)
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09:28<locklace>what are people using for netfilter userspace logging
09:28<locklace>is ulogd2 good and/or usable yet?
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09:41<oznt>hi, I made a silly mistake: I earased the windows partition on my laptop and grub is messed up ... can someone guide me through how to restore grub ? I could only boot to the computer with SLAX on usb with grub on it
09:41<oznt>I'm really lost, tried all sort of stuff but nothing worked so far
09:41<stuckey>Anyone here good at encoding audio from cd's?
09:42<abrotman>you're not?
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09:43<locklace>oznt: check out the testdisk package
09:44<oznt>locklace, im in slax ... how could this help ?
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09:44<new-kernel_>hello guys, i need help.. Im using Squeeze AMD64 an i have compiled the new 2.6.29-3 kernel.. its my first kernel compiling and i cant install ati drivers on it
09:44<locklace>oznt: that's if you need to recover partitions. if you don't and you're happy with your current partition table, you can install grub normally
09:45<locklace>new-kernel_: what do you mean "install ati drivers on it", framebuffer?
09:46<oznt>locklace, yes ok. the thing is like this, I have a computer with no cdrom. I booted slax, and removed the windows partition - this changes all the partition table and mbr, now grub there, but it is not functioning, i get error 15
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09:47<locklace>oznt: removing a partition shouldn't affect the other partitions or the mbr boot code
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09:49<locklace>oznt: anyway, to resolve that error you'll have to reinstall grub, two options: 1, boot from anything bootable with a loader that will let you load the kernel from your linux partition; 2, boot from any rescue image and do it from there
09:50<new-kernel_>i follow this tutorial to make it (error included): http://debian.pastebin.com/m3ded449e
09:51<new-kernel_>well, on this new kernel there is no way to install by apt, so i followed this tutorial to make my drivers... (AMD64)
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09:52<new-kernel_>how to solve it?
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09:53<oznt>locklace, i am using a slax now on this laptop, can you guid me trough option one ? I tried chrooting to it but I am not really skilled in it
09:54<Dvius4>hey all
09:55<oznt>btw, every time i removed windows from a computer which had grub I somehow ended with problem with grub, I just keep forgeting how dangerous it is :-(
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09:55<new-kernel_> i follow this tutorial to install ATI Drivers on new kernel (AMD64) (error included): http://debian.pastebin.com/m3ded449e
09:56<Dvius4>oznt - have you tried Virtual Box or similar? saves the trouble of all diff installs etc
09:56<Dvius4>What are you actually doing though? :) Installing which version slax on what laptop
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09:57<new-kernel_> i follow this tutorial to install ATI Drivers on new kernel (Squeeze AMD64) (error included): http://debian.pastebin.com/m3ded449e
09:57<oznt>Dvius4, I have virtual box on my laptop, this a friends laptop, he ask me to remove windows... so I did :-( but messed up grub, now I booted into slax so I could rescue the situation
09:58<oznt>now the question is how do I elegantly restore grub with out reinstalling debian
09:58<Dvius4>Is it X that isnt starting - or the WM so to speak?
09:58<Dvius4>Well the very first thing I would do oznt - is clone the hard disk on another system
09:59<Dvius4>as its not ur pc - secondly have you tried Checking your X conf and various other confs?
09:59<oznt>Dvius4, how is this going to help ? I know it's possible to restore grub from a live cd. I actually did it once, but I had help from someone so I don't know how to do it again
09:59<oznt>Dvius4, it's grub error 15, way way before X11
09:59<Dvius4>you may just simply need to command line remove grub and reinstall it to MBR or /home - or whatever you choose
10:00<bighornram>I have gdesklets installed in gnome with radar applet. ( in squeeze) When you click the radar screen in the applet imagemagick opens with the full size image to view. I'm having an issue where imagemagick opens for only a split second then closes. Would anyone have any ideas how to troubleshoot this?
10:00<Dvius4>ok so it's pure grub
10:00<gsimmons>!tell oznt -about fixmbr
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10:00<Dvius4>have you tried various MBR restoration tools?
10:00<Dvius4>IE - hirens 9.7 mbr tools etc
10:01<oznt>Dvius4, there should be a way to chroot into debian from the live cd, and then fix grub
10:01<oznt>I just don't know how to do it
10:01<Dvius4>hmm not sure with that method
10:02<Dvius4>one tedious way may actually be to install ubuntu - and when it partitions it will add an entry (This is the long and wrong way prob but may work) ----- sounds like a pain
10:02<locklace>oznt: the situation is very simple, there's no need to copy the drive or use mbr/partition restore tools as long as the current partition table is fine
10:02<Dvius4>I've done that before
10:02<locklace>oznt: anyway, i haven't used slax, what kind of bootloader does it have
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10:03<Dvius4>I'm not sure about slax either
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10:03<Dvius4>Grub 15 is usually when it can't find the partition IIRC
10:03<Dvius4>it's there but just dont find it
10:04<locklace>oznt: if you can boot with something that allows you to get a grub commandline, you can use the grub cli to boot the kernel from the existing partition
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10:05<new-kernel_> i follow this tutorial to install ATI Drivers on new kernel (Squeeze AMD64) (error included): http://debian.pastebin.com/m3ded449e
10:05<Dvius4>**waits while locklace enlightens us ;)
10:05<oznt>locklace, like I said before, i am in something. I am in the command line.. but how do I continue from here ?
10:05<new-kernel_>(new kernel == 2.6.29.3
10:05<locklace>oznt: you're not reading what i said
10:06<locklace>oznt: however, since you're there, paste "fdisk -l /dev/sda" where "/dev/sda" is whatever the hd device is
10:06<new-kernel_>please guys, help me... i come soon
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10:10<oznt>locklace, http://paste.debian.net/36351/
10:10<oznt>locklace, 10x
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10:11<oznt>i chrooted into debian, i can run debian commands i think
10:12<locklace>did you mount --bind /dev and /tmp first
10:12<oznt>locklace, no. how do I do that ?
10:13<oznt>that would really explain why i can't install grub to hd0 inside the console, he says device does not exist
10:14<locklace>"mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" and the same for /tmp, assuming the hd root partition is mounted as /mnt
10:15<locklace>that's kind of a weird partition table, btw
10:15<oznt>locklace, why ?
10:16<locklace>windows extended partition, and out-of-order linux logical partitions
10:18<oznt>i don't understand what I supposed to do. I need to mound /dev/sda5 (the root for debian) i created a mount point /debian/ so I type "mount /dev/sda5 debin/ --bind /dev" ?
10:18<oznt>locklace, well don't forget, that computer did have windows there, and that the partition table we could create with out removing the completly all the data from there...
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10:19<locklace>no
10:19<locklace>mount it normally under /debian as you've already done
10:20<locklace>then after that, "mount --bind /dev /debian/dev"
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10:20<locklace>you should also mount the boot partition under that, i guess that would be /dev/sda1
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10:21<oznt>there is no boot partition
10:21<locklace>so what's /dev/sda1 then
10:22<locklace>never mind, i don't even want to know
10:22<oznt>just data
10:22<oznt>ok, i chrooted into debian, and I'm in the grub console
10:22<locklace>anyway, once you're done with the binds and in the chroot, you can run grub-install or the grub shell
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10:25<oznt>when I run setup (hd0,5) from the grub console it gives error 15
10:25<oznt>so, i think the mbr file is gone
10:25<locklace>what happens if you just run grub-install /dev/sda
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10:26<oznt>it says the installation is finished no error reported
10:26<locklace>fine, so try now
10:26<oznt>so try to reboot ?
10:27<locklace>yes
10:27<locklace>you might want to have a glance at /boot/grub/menu.lst before you go
10:27<oznt>yes, that's supposed to be fine, i know how to dynamically handle it, if I get error 22
10:28<oznt>yes ! working
10:28<locklace>great
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10:29<oznt>now I need to go in again and find if the entries are correct in the grub menu, i can probably run grub update the same way
10:29<oznt>10x !
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10:29<fxiny>ranix: you call me ?
10:30<fxiny>ranix: come on : wake up !
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10:49<bja>URxvt*font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=10:antialias=False
10:49<bja>mrxvt*font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=12:antialias=False
10:50<bja> Urxvt can find the font and mrxvt can't
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10:50<bja>Any ideas?
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10:53<unconcerned>njn
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10:54<ml|>bja: that should work
10:55<bja>ml|: "can't load font "xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=12:antialias=False"
10:55<ml|>bja: do you have that font?
10:55<valdyn>bja: which of those 2 links agains libfreetype?
10:56<bja>valdyn: Sorry I don't understand your question?
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10:57<valdyn>bja: ldd /usr/bin/[um]rxvt | grep freetype
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10:58<bja>valdyn: ldd for [ur]rxvt "libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00007f1539064000)"
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10:59<bja>valdyn: ldd for mrxvt "libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00007f7a99573000)"
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10:59<bja>valdyn: What does that mean?
10:59<valdyn>bja: means that they are using different methods to find fonts
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11:00<bja>valdyn: Any fix ??
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11:01<valdyn>bja: nope
11:01<valdyn>bja: im not familiar with xresources stuff
11:01<bja>valdyn: me neither :(
11:01<valdyn>bja: it should be in the manpage though
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11:02<valdyn>bja: probably means taht the line for mrxvt needs to look different
11:02<fxiny>bja: fire xfontsel up
11:03<fxiny>bja: this is my mrxvt line : Mrxvt.font: -xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15 , made with xfontsel
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11:03<bja>fxiny: thx
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11:04<fxiny>bja: good luck :)
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11:05<valdyn>bja: google gives me: Mrxvt.xftFont: DejaVu Sans Mono
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11:05<valdyn>bja: leave out the other stuff first
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11:07<fxiny>that won't work here
11:07<valdyn>fxiny: "here" ?
11:07<fxiny>valdyn: on my ~/.mrxvtrc
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11:08<ml|>bja: after editing Xresources did you xrdb - merge .Xresources
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11:09<bja>ml|: No I restarted X
11:09<bja>ml|: Should also do the trick je je
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11:10<ml|>bja: if you restarted X that should do it but would not hurt if you did it again
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11:11<bja>Ok it doesn't show the error message any more, but the font is the crapy same font :(
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11:12<ml|>bja: hmm
11:12<bja>valdyn: Can you paste the url you found that stuff
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11:12<valdyn>bja: maybe, does it work?
11:13<fxiny>bja: was the error :"can't load font "DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=12:antialias=False" ?
11:13<valdyn>http://dotfiles.org/search?q=xft
11:13<ml|>fxiny: yes
11:13<ml|>bja: are you sure you have that font?
11:13<valdyn>fxiny: i forgot about: Mrxvt.xft: 1
11:14<valdyn>fxiny: which might be necessary
11:14<fxiny>valdyn: that error is from adding as you said before : "Mrxvt.xftFont: DejaVu Sans Mono"
11:14<bja>ml|: its beening used by urxvt
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11:15<ml|>bja: so mrxvt is the problem
11:15<bja>ml|: Yes
11:16<ml|>well yes the line with URxvt will not work with mrxvt
11:16<fxiny>bja: can you load it ,select it in xfontsel ?
11:17<fxiny>if yes , try adding that line
11:17<ml|>bja: try appres mrxvt or appres MRxvt
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11:17<valdyn>bja: you dont need to use the xft backend if you just use something like fxiny already gave you, just for your font
11:18<locklace>in fact it's better not to if you can avoid it, and especially don't use it for bitmap fonts
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11:23<mastroquet>bja: isn't "Mrxvt.xft: True" necessary as well? I thought so, though I haven't tested it recently
11:24<cemunal>does kd4 have an irc client?
11:25<cemunal>*kde4
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11:26<mastroquet>cemunal: I've read it has (konversation?)
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11:26<mastroquet>cemunal: not sure of the name
11:27<shamanix>guys, you got the name right, just to tell you
11:27<cemunal>mastroquet: latest konversation not qt4.
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11:29<cemunal>how can i install full kde, full gnome, full xfce4 ?
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11:31<mastroquet>cemunal: see the meta-packages of these names (e.g. "aptitude install kde" will install almost everything)
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11:31<mastroquet>same for gnome and xfce4
11:32<legnaleurc_>cemunal: konversation has a qt4 version in experimental
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11:33<legnaleurc_>yet it is a snapshot, not release
11:35<cemunal>thanks
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11:36<mastroquet>cemunal: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+4+Application+Cleanup "KSirc should be replaced by a more modern looking, robust IRC client without losing all the features of KSirc (like scripting) (Konversation/KVIrc ?"
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11:40<cemunal>mastroquet: thanks
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11:41<bja>fxiny: xfontsel gave me a "Segmentation fault" ??
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11:42<bja>Everyone, right now I'm catching up I had to leave my desk
11:42<new-kernel_>please help! (Squeeze AMD64 2.6.29-3 Kernel) http://debian.pastebin.com/m3ded449e
11:43<shamanix>always wondered what segmentation fault meant, I get that now and then when compiling apps from source, needles to say they don't run
11:44<new-kernel_>error during ati drivers install,
11:44<locklace>bja: just use xlsfonts and fc-list to show, respectively, the ordinary x fonts and the fontconfig fonts your server knows about
11:44<ml|>bja: it seems mrxvt uses a different format, look at the bottom of this page http://dotfiles.org/~Tinou/Xresources
11:44<locklace>shamanix: it means the program tried to do an invalid memory access, i.e. it's a bug
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11:45<abrotman>new-kernel_: who told you to do that?
11:46<ml|>bja: did you try appres mrxvt or appres MRxvt
11:46<abrotman>new-kernel_: the ati installer is unsupported here
11:46<abrotman>!fglrx one-liner
11:46<dpkg>Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). Etch users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx.
11:46<new-kernel_>i read on a forum
11:47<bja>ml|: Did that, what am I suppose to be looking for?
11:47<new-kernel_>but im using a 2.6.29-3 kernel, should it works?
11:47<new-kernel_>abrotman
11:48<ml|>bja: did you get anything from appres mrxvt?
11:48<abrotman>if you're using unstable .. you should know how to make it work
11:48<new-kernel_>not unstable, testing
11:48<new-kernel_>i have compiled a new kernel for myself
11:49<abrotman>right .. then you should know how
11:49<OneZero>Ok, Setting up raid 5 on this 3 drive system again, got a 150mb raid 1 on each drive, 1gb swap on each, then rest as raid5, on the raid 1 for /boot, do i want to make all 3 active, or make one spare?
11:49<new-kernel_>well, but i dont know how... how can i learn if i dont do it?
11:49<new-kernel_>can you teach me?
11:50<bja>ml|: Sorry the mouse went beserk I hate alps touchpads
11:50<abrotman>new-kernel_: why did you compile your own kernel?
11:51<new-kernel_>abrotman i followed this to compile kernel: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgutocarvalho.net%2Fmediawiki%2Findex.php%2FKernel_Compilando_manualmente_no_Debian&sl=pt&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1&swap=1
11:51<abrotman>that wasn't what i asked you
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11:52<bja>ml|: That is similar to what fxiny proposed up there
11:52<new-kernel_>i compile it to make it faster, disable some things that i dont use, make it cleaner and to learn how it works
11:54<new-kernel_>i have learned a lot by searching what to disable and what to able
11:54<new-kernel_>and what to modularize
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11:54<bja>It seems Mrxvt.xft: True is the one that makes fonts be renderable, I gives a different error message, but then I'm on the right track
11:55<bja>thx everyone
11:55<new-kernel_>so i just have to learn how to "install" my video card and my wireless card (madwifi)
11:56<abrotman>madwifi is dead
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11:56<valdyn>as of 2.6.28 madwifi wasnt dead
11:57<ml|>bja: try this http://paste.debian.net/?show=36358;lines=0
11:57<valdyn>i.e. not obsolete
11:57<abrotman>not dead .. but i thought it wasn't being improved any longer
11:57<valdyn>abrotman: thats true
11:57<new-kernel_>dead? why? i use it on 2.6.26-1 and works well... i use it to test security of some networks
11:57<abrotman>i guess "deprecated" might be a better term
11:57<valdyn>new-kernel_: m-a a-i madwifi
11:57<new-kernel_>valdyn, it works to 2.6.29-3?
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11:58<valdyn>abrotman: it works contrary to ath5k on some cards
11:58<Xenguy>abrotman: madwifi deprecated in favour of ...?
11:58<valdyn>Xenguy: ath5k
11:58<abrotman>valdyn: i'm aware of that
11:58<valdyn>ok
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11:58<new-kernel_>hey, ath5k can enter monitor mode?
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11:58<new-kernel_>(i need it to work)
11:58<abrotman>Xenguy: or ath9k on some cards
11:58<Xenguy>valdyn: abrotman: tx
11:59<new-kernel_>hey, ath5k can enter monitor mode?
11:59<new-kernel_>(i need it to work)
12:00<gsimmons>new-kernel_: TIAS? It works for me.
12:01<new-kernel_>cool, so ill test it on my new kernel... when i learn how to install on it... m-a is failing
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12:03<new-kernel_>anyone, do you know how to install 'fglrx' on self compiled kernel? (i enable the module on menuconfig before compiling)
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12:05<new-kernel_>if you know, can you show me a link where i can read and leran?
12:05<new-kernel_>learn
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12:09<new-kernel_>... please, i Want to know
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12:10<bja>ml|: Thx it does work, the rendering is beautiful, Instead of 250 chars on a 14" screen I only get 80, but it really looks great je je
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12:11<new-kernel_>...
12:11<abrotman>!fglrx
12:11<dpkg>i heard fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati @ irc.freenode.net.
12:12<new-kernel_>ty
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12:13<ml|>!coffee bja
12:13*dpkg decants a fine mug of International Roast Caterers Blend for bja, courtesy of ml|
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12:20<bja>thx ml|
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12:27<ml|>bja: np
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12:31<OneZero>In the grub installer, in deb installer, can i install to multiples at same time?
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12:33<ml|>dpkg: tell OneZero about grub
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12:49<new-kernel_>Thank #ati peoble i discover that 2.6.29 was not supported by fglrx yet... thats why i cant install it
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12:52<new-kernel_>if someone with the same problem appears, do you know why., thanks by help ^^
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12:56<gsimmons>new-kernel_: You'd want to take 'fglrx-*' from unstable, as it contains a hack to support 2.6.29 (bug #521164).
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13:02<new-kernel_>thanks gsimmons
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13:07<new-kernel_>gsimmons, it works for AMD64?
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13:07<dipa38>oi
13:08<new-kernel_>!br
13:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:08<chealer>OneZero: what do you mean by multiples?
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13:08<OneZero>so grub is installed to each drives boot
13:09<OneZero>or do i isntall it to /dev/md0
13:10<new-kernel_>gsimmons, do you know if the support works for AMD64?
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13:18<locklace>OneZero: grub isn't going to be able to deal with sw raid devices afaik
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13:25<bja>locklace: What is the prefered boot loader when using sw raid devices?
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13:26<azeem>bja: keep /boot on a regular partition, use grub
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13:28<locklace>even that won't be enough if you're not using initrd, your root will have to be on a regular partition too
13:30<new-kernel_>!save the world
13:30*dpkg runs into a burning building and saves the world from certain death. Is that enough?
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13:31*fxiny drinks one of dpkg finest beer and estinguish the fire :P
13:32<shamanix>dpkg: rocks
13:32<dpkg>Yer damned right...
13:32<new-kernel_>!like
13:32<dpkg>like, totally radical, like duh, no way new-kernel_
13:32<new-kernel_>!love
13:32<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
13:32<azeem>new-kernel_: don't abuse the bot, please
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13:33<new-kernel_>8-D
13:33<new-kernel_>but its so funny
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13:34<Nazcafan>hello
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13:35<shamanix>!qotd
13:35<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 240 (2009-05-15).
13:36<Nazcafan>I need to edit a pdf file, that is remove some text and graphics from it
13:36<Nazcafan>Is there a utility that does the job?
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13:36<Nazcafan>(ie free, installable through apt)
13:38<new-kernel_>!qotd
13:38<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 240 (2009-05-15).
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13:39<shamanix>I have absolutly no clue, even the pdf viewers need improvement here and there, maybe there are better tools if you convert to postscript
13:41<shamanix>try these maybe: flpsed, pdfedit, scribus???,
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13:44<deniz>is there a "System Monitor" but instead of GNOME GUI, on terminal
13:44<deniz>?
13:44<bja>Nazcafan: pdftk
13:44<azeem>atop or something maybe
13:44<shamanix>dstat
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13:44<Nazcafan>bja, I am trying out pdfedit, to no avail, I'll try pdftk
13:45<rah>I have an interesting problem with iceweasel
13:46<bja>Nazcafan: pdftk will explode the document into single pages easier to replace
13:46<Nazcafan>let's see
13:47<Nazcafan>mhh
13:47<rah>nm
13:47<bja>deniz: Try top, free, vmstat, netstat
13:48<Nazcafan>bja, I need to remove some objects from the pdf file, are you sure the pdftk will do the trick?
13:48<bja>Nazcafan: editing pdf files is a pain in the neck
13:49*rah watches iceweasel build with -O0
13:49<rah>pwitty
13:49<bja>Nazcafan: If you explode the document into single pages, its easier to edit the page, or generate a new one and then get everything back together
13:49<Nazcafan>bja, I agree, but sometimes, you don't have the choice
13:50<deniz>bja, but those don't say how much of the TOTAL CPU is being used, top for examplke only says how much CPU a certain app uses
13:50<valdyn>deniz: uh?
13:50<Nazcafan>bja, right, but how do I edit the page, afterwards?
13:50<valdyn>deniz: read top again
13:50<deniz>valdyn, oooooooooooooooooooo lol, ive been using that command for sooooo many months and never noticed lol
13:51<deniz>lol thx
13:51<valdyn>deniz: %us + %sy = total cpu usage
13:51<valdyn>deniz: ops
13:51<valdyn>deniz: %us + %sy + %hi + %si = total cpu usage i think
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13:52<deniz>valdyn, so it doesn't have one thing that just says per core or for total?
13:52<valdyn>deniz: true
13:52<valdyn>deniz: hit 1 to see per core
13:52<locklace>deniz: 100-%id
13:53<valdyn>deniz: 100% - %id - %wa is total cpu usage too
13:53<valdyn>100%-%id not quite
13:53<bja>Nazcafan: Try pdfedit, if you cannot edit it that way, you'll need to remake that single page
13:53<deniz>valdyn, locklace isnt it us the total? cuz it looks like similar numbers to system monitor
13:54<valdyn>deniz: %sy is commonly very low
13:54<bja>deniz: man pages are your stronges ally I think it won't hurt you if ocasionally you read one
13:54<valdyn>deniz: so %us is on some workloads quite close to the total cpu usage
13:54<Nazcafan>bja, I'll try a little more pdfedit
13:55<valdyn>deniz: i got 50%sy now though and 1%us, so thats *slightly* different
13:55<bja>Nazcafan: lmk how things went. 8)
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13:56<Nazcafan>right now, I think I'll read the "help"section of pdfedit
13:57<deniz>valdyn, o i guess ill use system monitor for now
13:57<ml|>deniz: tried htop
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14:01<bja>How do i make judd tell me the kernel version for each distro?
14:01<ml|>judd: kernel
14:01<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-1-686 (2.6.29-3); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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14:02<bja>ml|: thx, I was using versions kernel :/
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14:03<ml|>bja: ;)
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14:11<xyem>I think I have just been given the best excuse for ditching Ubuntu
14:11<xyem>s/excuse/reason
14:12<locklace>the users?
14:12<xyem>Well I think I am about to become an ex-user
14:12<xyem>Just lost an entire directory of files
14:12*xyem grinds teeth
14:13<ml|>ouch
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14:13<cemunal>hi all
14:14<xyem>I.. hate... gvfs.. and Nautilus.. and Jaunty
14:14<cemunal>can somebody help me; i can't hear the sound
14:14<locklace>xyem: reminds me to check ubuntard.com
14:14<locklace>cemunal: are you using alsa
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14:15<cemunal>locklace, yes
14:15<locklace>!tell cemunal about alsa-checklist
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14:15<ml|>hehe
14:15<xyem>I was just transferring my files over SFTP and the transfer died early ( leaving me with 2.6mb of a ~100mb file )
14:15<xyem>Not a problem
14:15<cemunal>locklace, thanks
14:15<cemunal>i am new
14:16<xyem>Except it had decided to tell the remote machine it was successful or something.. causing it to delete the directory I was transferring
14:17<fxiny>gvfs nautilus jaunty ? all babelnames . in 10 years we gotta have all brain transplant to make room for all babelnames coming ...
14:17<fxiny>this way is absolutely ridicolus
14:17<locklace>xyem: huh? an sftp is a copy operation, i don't even think it has "move" semantics, any more than ftp
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14:18<xyem>locklace: it was the 'Connect to Server "SSH" thing which uses the SFTP:/// protocol in Nautilus
14:19<locklace>oh, it's some gnome file manager thing
14:19<locklace>all bets are off then
14:19<xyem>Yeah
14:19<xyem>I really despise gvfs.. it just causes issues with no gain that I can see
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14:19<Hideo>fxiny: I've been having libgnome2-0 on hold for months now because it wants to install gvfs
14:19<xyem>Should have stuck with sshfs or something
14:19<Hideo>fxiny: never mind the fact that I don't use gnome
14:19<cemunal>!tell me about alsa-checklist
14:19<locklace>xyem: what is it, some extra gnome layer on top of filesystems that already work
14:20<fxiny>Hideo: hey ! long time :))
14:20<ml|>cemunal: /msd dpkg
14:20<Hideo>fxiny: aye long time too =)
14:20*Supaplex grabs fxiny and gives his a good ole boy n00gie
14:20<ml|>haha
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14:21<Supaplex>s/his/him/
14:21<xyem>locklace: Yeah, and it sucks ( breaks tons of stuff )
14:21<xyem>locklace: Though it goes right in hand with my increasing hate of GNOME.. trying to take over *everything*
14:21<locklace>xyem: just another reason to add to the top of the huge pile of reasons i don't use gnome
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14:21<fxiny>Hideo: gvfs ? i refuse to listen to it , is it a coffee machine ? is it a pr0n enhancing daemon ? is it a mua ? wt4x is gvfs ? :)
14:21<Hideo>fxiny: and I can't uninstall libgnome2-0 w/o uninstalling abiword and qalculate =(
14:22<fxiny>i see fs yeahhh
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14:22<ml|>Hideo: same here :(
14:22<Hideo>fxiny: I dunno, as far as I'm concerned gvfs is in the same league as dbus and hal
14:22<locklace>exactly
14:22<fxiny>i want names like : filemanager-nautilus and so on
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14:23<xyem>locklace: I have to admit, I generally dislike DE's.. I prefer to use WMs ( like Fluxbox )
14:23<locklace>xyem: i've been happy with fluxbox
14:23<fxiny>i want names like mua-boogie so i can drom boogie
14:23<xyem>locklace: I don't care if windows don't "blend" together.. I want it to *work*
14:23<fxiny>i have enough of this crappy names schemes
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14:23<Hideo>fxiny: how about "awesome" =)
14:24<Hideo>I like awesome for the wm hehe
14:24<fxiny>Hideo: so is is some daemon i can accept something like : daemon-coffe-maker-gcfs
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14:24<fxiny>i mean , this way is all about crappy esoterism
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14:24<locklace>xyem: i've been using x for almost 20 years so the idea of huge "desktop environments" that enforce their view of how the system should look and work by burying it in layers of cruft doesn't sit well with me
14:25<Hideo>locklace: aye, same
14:25<xyem>locklace: Please start a club so I can join it
14:25<fxiny>Hideo: awesome ? xmonad :)))
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14:25<xyem>:)
14:25<ml|>xmonad!!! :)
14:25<Hideo>fxiny: =), I've stuck with awesome after trying most tiling wm, but yeah it's all about choices man
14:26<locklace>xyem: give me a clean, simple, easily configurable, good-looking and fast wm, and i can't think of what more i'd want; and that's demonstrably doable with a memory footprint of < 8mb
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14:26<fxiny>Hideo: yeahh but i run only xmonad and sometimes kde cause i feel it needs some help
14:27<xyem>I really want to move to Debian but the ( I'm not sure what to call it really ) "version delay" is quite large
14:27<xyem>Does this cause people issues?
14:27<Hideo>fxiny: yep, awesome has some weird problem with java apps like Matlab, so whenever I need it, I just switch back to fluxbox
14:27<locklace>xyem: i would recommend that use you testing
14:28<Hideo>testing is not too ancient but also not too new/unstable
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14:28<xyem>locklace: I was watching Sid during the release of Lenny and it still seemed "old"
14:28<locklace>testing lags just enough behind unstable to sidestep critical bugs and ensure internal dependencies are sane
14:29<fxiny>Hideo: i have flux and i still love it , but comparing it to xmonad it looks like windows :)
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14:29<xyem>locklace: Even after the update.. but that might just be my ( pretty narrow ) view.. e.g. alsa still being below *.19
14:29<locklace>xyem: any specific examples? i usually find sid pretty close to cutting edge for most things (depends somewhat on your areas of interest)
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14:30<Hideo>fxiny: yeah, I have to re-wrapped my mind around the fact that I sometimes have to use a mouse, =)
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14:31<Hideo>xyem: sid only seems to old whenever there is a large release that the Debian devs are focusing on (such as Lenny)
14:31<Hideo>xyem: now it's basically back to speed
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14:32<xyem>Hideo: I can see what you mean, alsa is now at what I would regard as a "recent" version
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14:32<locklace>so reinstall time ;)
14:33<Hideo>xyem: but I wouldn't recommend trying Sid as your first jump from ubuntu to Debian though
14:33<locklace>judd versions alsa-base
14:33<judd>locklace: alsa-base -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1 sid: 1.0.19.dfsg-3 squeeze: 1.0.19.dfsg-3
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14:34<locklace>testing has the same alsa version as sid
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14:34<fxiny>Hideo: we have a small #xmonad chan here in oftc , of course the real one is on freenode , we are 4 cats only . if you join i'll tell you about my chopping trees adventure , you remember last year ? hahahah , i have reopened an ancient well and i have a potatoes fields there , yahhh "growing potatoes by the score" :))
14:35<Hideo>fxiny: okie =)
14:35<beer>along time ago (when I started using debian 4 years ago) recen was the latest version (in case of the alsa eksample it was 1.0.20) but now I am a lot more relaxed. And the recent i is now a the version there come usable for me (again with the alsa eksamble it will be 1.0.16 sine it was there I could get sound output)
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14:37<locklace>xyem: btw when you install debian make sure to only choose the "base" system in the installer and not "desktop" or whatever
14:37<omnom>hello fellow debianeers, I have some trouble with dhcp during squeeze netinstall
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14:38<omnom>it fails to detect dhcp while it's working perfectly and worked as a charm in debian right before I start reinstalling
14:38<locklace>omnom: any luck switching to another vt and setting the interface up manually
14:40<omnom>locklace: when i switch to another vt I'm stuck with a minimal busybox and only a handful of command. I have no clue how to set up network without ifconfig or ip
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14:40<locklace>omnom: isn't ifconfig there? i'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't
14:41<sney`>ifconfig is always there but sometimes it isn't in PATH
14:41<sney`>because it's in /sbin
14:41<omnom>when I look at the logs on vt4 I see a msg stating "eth0 no link during initialization"
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14:41<omnom>locklace: give me a minute I'll look for it
14:41<locklace>omnom: think it's just a matter of finding ifconfig and setting your interface up manually; dhcp in an installer is nothing more than a nicety
14:42<omnom>locklace: nope, sbin only has chroot, fdisk, sfdisk, debootstrap, run-debootstrap and tzsetup
14:42<locklace>check other dirs. /usr/sbin? don't remember the installer layout
14:42<sney`>that is strange, maybe in /usr/sbin or /usr/local/sbin
14:43<sney`>or just find / -iname ifconfig
14:43<omnom>I try setting up the interface manually inside the installer but still no network.
14:43<locklace>also, if you have trouble with this installer i'd say just try the lenny installer, there's really no value in using a different one
14:43<omnom>find doesn't find any ifconfig
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14:44<sney`>that sounds almost like you downloaded half an iso and it magically worked somehow
14:44<sney`>well
14:44<sney`>"worked"
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14:45<omnom>I got the netinstall for squeeze and checksum was right
14:46<omnom>build=20090413-22:27; d-i 20090123lenny1
14:46<sney`>but you're at a terminal instead of a curses menu, and there is conspicuous stuff missing
14:46<locklace>he's got the curses menu too, he's just on another vt
14:47<sney`>I want to say maybe there's a ramdisk that didn't mount
14:47<omnom>I'm at terminal when I switch vt, other than that I have the regular installer
14:47<sney`>but no network... I missed the beginning, but is your network hardware unusual in any way?
14:47<locklace>omnom: to be on the safe side i'd suggest retrying with the official lenny netinst
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14:49<xyem>Hideo: I have a habit of diving into things at the deep end.. head first
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14:49<sney`>that is the best way
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14:49<sney`>sink or swim baby
14:49<sney`>damn the torpedoes!
14:49<Hideo>xyem: I still wouldn't recommend Sid
14:49<omnom>somehow I sense I might have the exact same problem
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14:50<sney`>squeeze isn't the deep end though
14:50<Hideo>xyem: sometimes, although very rarely, you would get an unbootable system with Sid, so you have to know how to fix it and report the bug
14:51<mibman>Good day to all. I'll be reinstalling debian, with a greater focus on security. Was wondering if anyone can give me more pointers regarding this before I format my computer and not have access to the internet during the installation phase.
14:51<omnom>I'm getting lenny netinstall right now, though it means I'll have to upgrade manually to squeeze afterwards
14:51<locklace>omnom: that's a triviality
14:51<rah>how do I debug iceweasel?
14:51<locklace>omnom: just a quick edit of sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade"
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14:51<rah>#3 0x00007fdc2c5d7c1a in XCloseDisplay (dpy=0x7fdc269d3000) at ClDisplay.c:78
14:51<rah>#4 0x00007fdc3012b656 in ?? () from /opt/xorg-ati-free-extra/lib/iceweasel/libxul.so
14:52<Nazcafan>bja, using pdfedit is a bloody mess ... But it works
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14:52<xyem>Hideo: So would you agree with locklace and say I should go with testing?
14:52<omnom>locklace: I know, but for some reason I'm always stuck on such trivial stuff
14:52<mibman>Besides Selinux of course, I think I've downloaded most of the material for that. Plus those other other guides and howtos from the debain site.
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14:52<locklace>xyem: like i said, testing lags just enough behind sid to sidestep critical bugs and ensure internal dependencies are sane.
14:52<sney`>basically testing is if you want to tinker, but you still occasionally need support with your tinkering
14:52*rah pokes firefox
14:53<Hideo>xyem: yes testing would probably be best since it's not old and is stable enought
14:53<xyem>Annoyingly, I have actually managed to convert both my fathers machines to Linux ( Ubuntu )
14:53<omnom>xyem: if you want to dive deep end you might want to give sidux a try
14:53<sney`>and unstable is for when you can tinker all by your lonesome
14:53<xyem>Then Jaunty started ruining it..
14:53<xyem>He's now trying Mint
14:53<sney`>and you have your unix beard and everything
14:53<mibman>Am wondering though what intrusion detection system is appropriate. The guides mention tripwire, but it doesn't look like it's been updated in 2 years.
14:53<xyem>Oh
14:53<xyem>I remember another reason why I didn't move to Debian
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14:54<sney`>unix beard?
14:54<xyem>My wireless didn't work with the kernel
14:54<sney`>which wireless
14:54<xyem>sney`: On my laptop.. Intel 5100
14:54<sney`>support has improved somewhat, and you can always go outside free software, it just doesn't ship with the os
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14:55<locklace>mibman: tripwire is venerable. it works.
14:55<locklace>mibman: also check out samhain
14:55<locklace>mibman: and you're going to have to deal with netfilter/iptables
14:55<xyem>sney`: It wasn't too much of an issue because you can get it operational.. but my current setup pretty much requires wireless to access the internet ( no wired connection to router )
14:56<sney`>ahh, so you need it to install
14:56<locklace>mibman: snort is also a very good NIDS
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14:56<xyem>sney`: Can Debian do a minimal install over wireless?
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14:56<mibman>locklace: Thanks man, I'll go check those two out. Won't firestarter be sufficient for the firewalling/ iptables? I've no experience manually tinkering with those yet.
14:56*xyem is quite fond of minimal installations
14:56<locklace>xyem: i run testing with a custom kernel (currently 2.6.30rc4); that's a trivial thing to do and often necessary if you have newish hardware
14:57<sney`>debian can do any kind of install over a network, the netinst is the recommended method these days...
14:57<xyem>locklace: I imagine the Aspire 5930G is regarded as newish hardware
14:57<locklace>xyem: so just install testing and then get yourself a new kernel. two steps: first try, install the 2.6.29 kernel from sid. if that's not enough, get your 2.6.30rc5 sources from kernel.org and build your own, it's straightforward
14:57<sney`>the netbooks seem to generally have good linux support
14:58<xyem>Unfortunately, I blew my front USB port on my Aspire :-(
14:58<locklace>mibman: there are a ton of packages that act as layers on top of iptables. my advice, don't use any of them yet (except possibly ferm)
14:58<xyem>Linux detects something has been inserted but it isn't operational
14:58<omnom>mibman: I don't recommend firestarter sometimes it generates GB of log and fill /var to death
14:59<omnom>mibman: maybe something like guarddog
14:59<mibman>locklace: Haven't heard of ferm. Will check it out.
14:59<xyem>I think I shall rsync my entire / on my laptop to my desktop and go for a Testing installation
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15:00<mibman>omnom: My current install has firestarter, but I don't open the gui so it doesn't log. Will check out guard dog though.
15:00<omnom>xyem: if your father is not satisfied with mint, an alternative is simplymepis
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15:01<locklace>mibman: ferm basically just allows you to write ordinary iptables rules in a structured form that's a lot easier to read
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15:01<locklace>mibman: the point is not to cover up the underlying system with higher-level applications while you're learning. better to learn the real thing
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15:02<omnom>mibman: you can also look at shorewall
15:02<xyem>omnom: Thanks for the suggestion
15:02<sney`>once while messing around with iptables I accidentally blocked all TCP traffic
15:02<sney`>and I was connected via ssh at the time
15:02<sney`>oops
15:02<locklace>sney`: we've all done it
15:02<mibman>locklace: Sounds great. I'll go check it out. Any other applications I should download before disconnecting from the net and installing? I've only downloaded the first cd iso + the first cd update iso.
15:02<sney`>had to dig out the serial cable
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15:02<locklace>sney`: i did it on a core router once
15:03<grim_>l
15:03<sney`>haha good job
15:03<mibman>omnom: I've tried looking at the shorewall documentation before, wasn't able to make heads or tails of it if I remember.
15:03<locklace>mibman: no, just do the install, all of this junk you can worry about and install afterward
15:03<chealer>locklace: it is rarely needed to compile a custom kernel.
15:03<mibman>omnom: I'll go try to look at it again though, I was a pretty new at linux back then.
15:04<valdyn>ferm sounds like a bad idea for someone who cant make heads or tails of shorewall
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15:04<locklace>shorewall is in the "cover things up" category
15:04<mibman>locklace: But the security guide mentioned not connecting until unless everythings been setup.
15:04<valdyn>mibman: why are you being paranoid?
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15:04<locklace>mibman: you're in no need of being anywhere near that paranoid
15:04<sney`>because TEH HAX0RZ
15:04<mibman>valdyn: I think my box just got cracked.
15:04<valdyn>mibman: security by howto does not work
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15:05<omnom>iptables lacks friendliness to beginners, BSD's packetfilter is easier to get a grip on
15:05<xyem>Unfortunately, my father isn't a tinkerer anymore. He just wants stuff to work
15:05<valdyn>mibman: you *think* = you don't know
15:05<locklace>mibman: if you want to be paranoid in a simple way, install ferm: it will auto-install a very simple ruleset that blocks everything inbound except ssh
15:05<mibman>valdyn: No, seriously man.
15:05<xyem>Which funnily enough, Linux is better at doing in most respects
15:05<Mir_>excuse me. i have a question. I am using DSL 4.4.1 and i would like to get apt to use another repository other/newer than woody. how would i go about this?
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15:06<valdyn>Mir_: dsl isnt debian
15:06<mibman>locklace: I'm thinking of removing ssh too. I don't login remotely so maybe I can do without that.
15:06<valdyn>Mir_: we cant properly support it
15:06<Mir_>valdyn, its debian based
15:06<locklace>mibman: well sshd (the ssh server) won't be installed anyway unless you install it
15:06<xyem>Would I be lambasted here if I admitted to thinking Compiz is awesome?
15:06<valdyn>Mir_: debian doesnt have much in common with woody now
15:06<xyem>:-)
15:06<action09>mibman you can use portnocking safely
15:06<omnom>Mir_: have a look at your sources.list
15:06<mibman>action09: portnocking?
15:07<valdyn>Mir_: CO is based on oxygen too btw, try breathing it
15:07<Mir_>where would i find this sources.list?
15:07<action09>mibman http://www.portknocking.org/
15:07<locklace>xyem: nothing wrong with it if you have the resources for it and like that sort of thing, i'm given to understand it's reasonably solid
15:07<Hideo>valdyn: lol that's funny
15:07<sney`>that sounds like an insult from beavis and butthead
15:07<mibman>locklace: I see. My current install is just the basic lenny-install. But somehow thing still went bonkers. I dunno.
15:07<sney`>shut up, portknocker!
15:07<action09>mibman it's a way to send a specially crafted packet to a box and open a service.
15:07<action09>sney :p
15:08<action09>mibman this way services like ssh can be accessed with the correct combination
15:08<fxiny>portknocking is amazing
15:08<action09>yes :)
15:08<valdyn>fxiny: funny anyway
15:08<fxiny>valdyn: indeed
15:08<fxiny>valdyn: i did it with shorewall perl and nmap ;)
15:08<xyem>locklace: It causes some odd behaviour on other machines but on mine I've not had any issues with it
15:09<valdyn>i dont think it does much for security, but its funny
15:09<xyem>locklace: Except windowing Sacred sometimes
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15:09<locklace>mibman: "went bonkers" is pretty vague
15:10<mibman>action09: not too familiar with ssh or any other remote protocols, but I'll read up on this.
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15:10<mibman>locklace: It was doing things on its own.
15:10<locklace>did you have gnome installed
15:10<mibman>And I had to pull the ethernet cable out.
15:10<valdyn>haha
15:10<mibman>locklace: ye.
15:10<xyem>Hmm.. should I use tar to transfer this or rsync.. rsync doesn't seem to use the ~25mb/s bandwidth available
15:10<ml|>ouch
15:10<mibman>Yes*
15:10<locklace>that probably explains it then
15:10<valdyn>xyem: thats likely not rsyncs fault
15:10<mibman>locklace: I mean, I don't get it. I
15:11<valdyn>xyem: you will not get high bendwidth when copying small files
15:11<mibman>I'm just some ordinary dude, doing ordinary stuff.
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15:11<hingwah>I'm getting an error "E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (2)" when running apt-cache search but it seem everything is working fine and search result do show correctly and no problem doing aptitude install, is there anything wrong with it?
15:11<mibman>My machine doesn't have government secrete on em or anything.
15:11<mibman>secrets*
15:11<locklace>mibman: btw, how are you connected to the net? i.e. directly with your own static ip address or through a nat router or something else?
15:11<ml|>xyem: yes if you want to use full bandwidth or near full
15:12<xyem>ml|: so tar/netcat ?
15:12<mibman>locklace: It's a router I think. Not too familiar with NAT, etc.
15:12<valdyn>mibman: in debian, if you do not do something stupid, like operating a php website, you do not get "cracked" on a desktop system
15:12<mibman>My ip is dynamic as far as I know.
15:12<valdyn>mibman: so you probably just had behaviour that you didnt understand
15:12<ml|>tar then use rsync like you said
15:13<xyem>Is it odd to start using Linux with a GUI and then finding yourself moving towards/preferring the command line?
15:13<mibman>valdyn: Hmm true. Maybe my five year old box is just coughing digital blood because it's pretty old now.
15:13<xyem>ml|: Wouldn't that take a lot of room?
15:13<locklace>xyem: it would have been odd in the old days; these days i'd say it's pretty common
15:13<fxiny>i like using resources for something like LUKS , i do not have secrets
15:14<locklace>xyem: i find it somewhat baffling, since there's really no way you can grasp how the system works without being thoroughly familiar with the shell
15:14<fxiny>my full encrypted box runs just fine
15:14<ml|>xyem: huh?
15:14<mibman>valdyn: Although I'm not too sure. I'm just trying to be safe(though paranoid) now. The episode has virtually deprived me of terminal use.
15:14<xyem>locklace: It's not about how the system works.. I find myself preferring to do tasks at the command line than through a gui
15:14<mibman>Unless of course if I boot using single user mode.
15:15<fxiny>and it upgraded to lenny without problems
15:15<locklace>xyem: well yes, it's almost always faster and easier once you're familiar with it
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15:15<xyem>locklace: For example, in a few commands I hardlinked 46GB of duplicate files..
15:15-!-jf [~jf@118.49.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #debian
15:15<xyem>ml|: If I tar it all and then rsync the tar file over..? Or did you mean something else?
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15:16<fxiny>tar ? any opinion about bsdtar ?
15:16<fxiny>i want to try it
15:16<locklace>mibman: anyway, do your install, install ferm if you want, and come back; no need to get ahead of yourself
15:16<jrabbit>How can I do a "positive" only diff?
15:16<locklace>xyem: why are you using rsync anyway, is there already a partial copy of this data on the far end?
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15:16<jrabbit>tow files have been modified since they were 'forked'
15:17<jrabbit>How can I copy both changes?
15:17<mibman>locklace: thanks man. Will do that.
15:17<jrabbit>tto get jsut one
15:17<valdyn>jrabbit: |grep -v -- ^-
15:17<jrabbit>?
15:17<mibman>action09: Thanks for the resource, I'll go read up on it.
15:17<ml|>xyem: right you said it was not using your bandwidth, but if you tar the file first it will transfer much faster than smaller files
15:17<jrabbit>I don't think I can get the original
15:17<mibman>And thanks to everybody else who chimed in.
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15:17<Hideo>jrabbit: doesn't sound like a good idea, unless you understand the source
15:17<jrabbit>it's a dictionary/database
15:17<xyem>locklace: No, but it is 66GB of data to transfer.. might take multiple tries
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15:17<jrabbit>Hideo: I know the source
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15:18<jrabbit>I just want to copy over the words the bot learned elsewhere then link them
15:18<locklace>xyem: fair enough. other option is cpio in passthrough mode if you can set that up
15:18<Hideo>jrabbit: ok then what valdyn said
15:18<fxiny>66GB ? rsync is slow
15:18<jrabbit>Will a soft/hard link work for a file that needs to be written by two processes?
15:18<valdyn>why the hell would rsync be slow for this
15:18<omnom>faster than rdiff-backup ^^
15:18<jrabbit>or do I need to use like tee
15:19<fxiny>is it a backup ? ok
15:19<xyem>locklace: cpio? I shall have to investigate
15:19<jrabbit>thanks valdyn
15:19<valdyn>jrabbit: thats not the right command
15:19<valdyn>jrabbit: but it should give you ideas
15:19<jrabbit>oh
15:19<jrabbit>haha
15:20<jrabbit>fuck you I'm not going to use grep to produce a third fiel to diff
15:20<valdyn>jrabbit: topmost line already starts with -, your dont want to filter that
15:20<jrabbit>I tihkn diff can do it
15:20<jrabbit>:|
15:20<valdyn>jrabbit: yea, probably
15:20<jrabbit>or some variant
15:21<omnom>retrying with a lenny netinstall cd right now
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15:21<valdyn>jrabbit: having 2 processes write to the same file is a mess, how should that "work"?
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15:21<jrabbit>valdyn: it's a database file and I'd like to just lni kthe two instances of it
15:22<jrabbit>thats the goal of copying over the new stuff from the fork to the original
15:22<valdyn>jrabbit: proper looking is up to the processes writing to the file
15:22<valdyn>jrabbit: you cannot just rely on it doing the right thing
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15:22<valdyn>jrabbit: proper *locking* is up to the processes writing to the file
15:23<valdyn>jrabbit: but if each process just appends complete lines, then its probably doing the right thing already
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15:23<antowen>hi
15:23<antowen>help me
15:24<antowen>for install
15:24<locklace>!ask
15:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:24<valdyn>jrabbit: write two loops with 'echo "heres loop1" >> file' to see this
15:24<antowen>adobe flash player on debian?
15:24<locklace>!adobe flash
15:24<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
15:24<steffan>locklace: use tell
15:24<antowen>tell
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15:25<omnom>I get the same problem with dhcp with lenny netinstall
15:25<ml|>dpkg: tell antowen about debian-multimedia.org
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15:26<antowen>thank's
15:26<omnom>I just noticed a warning: couldn't determine MII ioctl to use for eth0
15:26<ml|>dpkg: tell antowen about dpkgbot
15:27<omnom>and the same kernel message as before: eth0 no link during initialization
15:27<locklace>omnom: sounds like a driver issue, you might need to use an installer backport
15:28<omnom>hardware seems to be correctly detected though, it's a nvidia mcp55 ethernet
15:28<bja>ml|: antowen is italian
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15:28<locklace>omnom: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
15:28<ml|>dpkg: tell antowen about it
15:28<ml|>:)
15:30<omnom>sounds weird to have a driver issue in lenny / squeeze now that I didn't have the first tine around with etch / lenny
15:30<xyem>Is there any way ( other than trying it ) of finding out if I can do a minimal debian install over WPA wireless?
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15:32<locklace>xyem: check out the d-i link above, those images have new kernels and wpa support
15:32<omnom>lsmod says forcedeth is loaded
15:33<Supaplex>loaded, bloated, la la la...
15:34<xyem>Stock Debian doesn't support SATA drives?
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15:35<locklace>xyem: it does
15:35<chealer>xyem: what kind of WPA?
15:35<locklace>omnom: there have been nontrivial forcedeth updates in recent days
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15:36<xyem>chealer: WPA2 PSK?
15:37<Hideo>xyem: this would probably help you, http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
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15:37<xyem>locklace: On that link it says "to support newer hardwares, such as SATA and Ethernet devices." which sound like the standard Debian ( installer ) doesn't
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15:37<omnom>locklace: does that means previous version were expected not to work but now are ? or the other way around ?
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15:37<chealer>xyem: what wireless chipset do you use?
15:38<locklace>xyem: there are installer updates for releases earlier than lenny on that page
15:38<locklace>xyem: you are unlikely to have any trouble with lenny and sata
15:38<locklace>omnom: no idea. just mentioning it, do whatever you think is best
15:38<xyem>chealer: Intel WiFi Link 5100 ( lspci )
15:39<locklace>xyem: you won't have that in the lenny kernel
15:40<chealer>xyem: your wireless card is not supporter by any debian-installer image (the Linux versions used are too old). that would be a first step to support a wireless install.
15:40<omnom>locklace: I'm downloading the backported iso to give it a try
15:40<chealer>s/supporter/supported/
15:40<xyem>locklace, is there a reason why it isn't in the Lenny kernel? Just age or...?
15:40<locklace>xyem: yes, it appeared in 2.6.27 and the lenny kernel is .26. so use the di-backport installer, which is .28
15:41<xyem>locklace, ah, that makes sense. Thanks
15:41<xyem>locklace, I guess apt won't try to downgrade it? I'll be switching it to the Testing repositories..
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15:44<locklace>xyem: not sure about that. i don't know if the backport d-i installs its own kernel or gives you the lenny one. testing kernel is the same is lenny's
15:44<xyem>locklace, ah, I'll just lock it if I have to
15:45<locklace>either way you'll want to update to the sid kernel package (2.6.29) at least, or build your own
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15:47<xyem>I might be tempted to build my own.. I want to optimise my laptop, turning off autodetect where I can ( the hardware isn't going to change much )
15:48<xyem>And hopefully I will be able to get my bluetooth and card readers to work in Debian
15:48<locklace>yeah and if you do that you can get rid of initrd
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15:48<OneZero>crap, i added a wrong drive to the wrong array, how do i fix this?
15:48<OneZero>using mdadm
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15:50<xyem>locklace, however, I've never compiled my own kernel
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15:50<xyem>locklace, but I like to learn new things so that won't stop me
15:50<locklace>just get the source from kernel.org, untar it, cd into it and 'make menuconfig' and go through all the options (this will take you 1-2 hours the first time through but you'll learn a lot)
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15:51<locklace>then 'make all' and then you can use make-kpkg from the debian "kernel-package" package to make a .deb out of the newly-built kernel and install it with dpkg -i
15:52<xyem>I like the ability to make a deb for it.. and so easily? Genius
15:52<locklace>yep, make-kpkg is very helpful
15:52<xyem>I don't like installing random software and having my package manager think something else is going on ( like updating alsa in Ubuntu )
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15:53<locklace>if you install stuff yourself it's best to put it in its own tree like /usr/local
15:53<locklace>obviously doesn't apply for things like the kernel
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15:54<xyem>Ahhh
15:55<xyem>That explains why some things I have installed ( like Sacred ) went there
15:55<locklace>i actually take an even more aggressive approach to custom installations
15:56<xyem>Oh?
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15:56<chealer>locklace: Debian distribute Linux's source
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15:56<locklace>when i make/install some package like foo version 1.2.3 myself, foo-1.2.3, i put it in /sw/foo-1.2.3 and built it with --prefix=/sw/foo-1.2.3 and then make and make install, so everything it installs goes inside that directory
15:56<locklace>chealer: and?
15:57<locklace>xyem: then usually symlink /sw/foo to /sw/foo-1.2.3 and access foo stuff via /sw/foo
15:57<chealer>locklace: someone who'd want a custom kernel would get the source from Debian, not directly from kernel.org.
15:58<locklace>uh, ok
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15:59<xyem>locklace, does that create the lib/bin etc directories under /sw/foo-1.2.3 ?
15:59<locklace>xyem: yes, that's the idea
16:00<xyem>What are the benefits/drawbacks of doing it like that as opposed to just installing it under /usr ?
16:00<locklace>xyem: well installing it under /usr is definitely a bad idea, because it can conflict with files owned by the package system
16:00<xyem>Especially if it were some sort of library..
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16:01<xyem>Oh, I meant /usr/local
16:01<xyem>My bad
16:01<Hideo>chealer: I maybe wrong, but 2.6.29.3 source isn't even in Debian yet?
16:03<locklace>xyem: just a different approach, the one i mentioned is more of a pain to administer sometimes (dealing with library rpaths can be annoying, and you don't have a common bin directory to put in your path, although it is easy to make one with symlinks), but has the advantage of cleanly separating every custom package from the rest of the system, and makes it very easy to get rid of one
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16:04<xyem>I see
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16:05<locklace>you can also mix and match; put well-behaved things in /usr/local and retain a /usr/local/pkg or whatever for packages with which you want to use the above scheme
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16:05<chealer>Hideo: right (though they're packaged, if one would really want that)
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16:06<locklace>xyem: and of course, the other option is to make your own .deb, and then it integrates with the package system
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16:07<xyem>locklace, as in, get it to install in those special directories *and* create a package?
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16:07<locklace>xyem: no, if you create a full-fledged .deb for it then it can coexist in / along with everything else
16:08<xyem>locklace, I see
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16:12<Hideo>chealer: would you please kindly let me know the name of the package, thx
16:13<chealer>Hideo: it's the same name as the one currently in sid, but in the kernel team's repository
16:14<Hideo>chealer: oh ok, thanks
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16:28<omnom>I burned the backported d-i iso and it's not bootable...
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16:35<vadim>hi all. got a question. Is there an ebook reader for debian with autoscrolling feature (I mean like ICE Book Reader for windows)?
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16:43<jackyf>vadim: try to request this feature from fbreader's author :)
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16:43<adb> apt-cache search ebook reader
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16:43<vadim>jackyf: yes. it's not bad) but I ' m that lazy I don't wanna scroll the pages manually))
16:44<adb>taste "pages down" don't work ?
16:45<adb>Page Down*
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16:46<vadim>adb: well i want them to scroll without touching my keyboard or mouse)) ICE Book Reader has such feature but I don't want to install wine
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17:13<omnom>is there someone here using the gobolinus fhs on debian ?
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17:14<omnom>what's the difference between installine linux-image-2.6-686 and 2.6.26-2 ?
17:14<omnom>-e+g
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17:15<mase>i thought linux-image-2.6-686 is a depency-dummy for linux-image-2.6-2-686?
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17:16<omnom>during install the choice is given between those two so I thought there was a difference
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17:16<mase>hmmm, just use 2.6.26-2
17:17<omnom>k, this is what I did
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17:17<omnom>but providing a choice here might add some unnecessary confusion
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17:20<witte>the difference is that the linux-image-2.6-686 will be updated at new versions, the other one will only update to the same version
17:20<Vanished>Hi there, I'm in search of a browser wich can allow using of a chain proxy, I mean numerous proxy on after another
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17:21<witte>omnom: so linux-image-2.6-686 is a link to the latest kernel, which now happens to be linux-image-2.6-26-2-686 (i think)
17:21<mase>Vanished wow, not able to access to the second proxy directly?
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17:22<Vanished>what do you mean by directly ?
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17:22<omnom>k I got it
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17:23<Vanished>iceweasel permit to use only one proxy at time
17:23<omnom>why do you want to chain proxy ?
17:23<Vanished>it's safer I think no ?
17:23<mase>safer?
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17:24<omnom>you might want to use tor if you want to chain proxy
17:24<omnom>have a look at www.torproject.org
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17:25<Vanished>okay
17:25<Vanished>thank you ^^
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17:25<mase>chain proxy would take sense if you want to bypass a companies proxy which might block some pages, but "safer"?
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17:27<omnom>imho ssh tunneling makes more sense than chaining proxies to bypass a company proxy
17:27<omnom>but it requires a preconfigured external machine
17:28<omnom>usually one would connect to it's home computer through a ssh tunnel to work around a company proxy
17:29<mase>yes, of, course. i was just asking myself about the sense of chainig proxies...
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17:31<bcw>hi. i just bought a new laptop (HP G60-249WM) and i have a few questions: the aspect ratio in GNOME is wrong (it looks vertically squashed) and also i want to install the non-free driver anyway for 3D support. but i don't know whether to use the APT repo or nvidia's installer (the GeForce 8200M is not listed on the nvidia-glx package description). anyone?
17:31<witte>!nvidia
17:31<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
17:32<witte>bcw: and use the grandr program
17:32<witte>to set the resolution
17:32<bcw>ok, thanks
17:32<ml|>bcw: i would not use the nvidia's installer follow what dpkg said
17:32<bcw>ok
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17:33<bcw>i'm just not sure the package will work since the specific model is not listed in the description (i'm already reading that wiki page)
17:33<enehme>where can i get a summary of how much ram is being used to simulate fs, for normal ram usage, etc? gui and/or console
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17:34<bcw>but i can try it
17:34<mase>enehme simulate fs? you mean ram disks?
17:35<chealer>bcw: which Debian suite do you use?
17:36<bcw>chealer, suite? you mean lenny (that's what i use)?
17:36<chealer>bcw: yes. 8200M seems to be a new card indeed
17:37<omnom>what's the difference between configuring eth0 with allow-hotplug and with auto ?
17:37<ml|>bcw: might have to use nvidia's installer
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17:39<bcw>ml|: yeah, that's what i was afraid of.. :( well, maybe i'll try the package first and then uninstall if it doesn't work
17:39<ml|>bcw: that's what i would do
17:39<ml|>gl
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17:40<bcw>okay, thanks for the help everyone.. i'll be back later.
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18:02<Wilduck>Hey guys, I'm running debian with kde, and my wireless recently stopped working. Running iwconfig shows that there are drivers installed for my wireless card (as there should be, it's worked fine up untill now), but when I run Knetworkmanager it says that there is no device detected
18:02<Wilduck>any tips?
18:03<mase>i think Knetworkmanager needs a special daemon runnning
18:03<Wilduck>really?
18:03<Wilduck>like what?
18:04<mase>mom
18:04<Wilduck>so what should I do?
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18:07<ml|>Wilduck: try #debian-kde
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18:11<chealer>Wilduck: make sure that network-manager is set to manage your network cards. or don't use network-manager
18:12<Hideo>ifupdown
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18:32<cemunal>how can i install flashplugin-nonfree in lenny?
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18:35<ml|>dpkg: tell cemunal about flash
18:36<ml|>dpkg: tell cemunal about adobe flash
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18:36<amphi>!tell cemunal -about dmm
18:37<cemunal>thanks :)
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18:37<ml|>cemunal: that should answer all your questions
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18:40<Vanished>i have problem with proxy : I use a high anonymous proxy and when I go onto this site : http://www.whatsmyip.org/more/ it tells me the proxy's ip, and "No Proxy or Invisible Proxy Used" but on "Internal (LAN) IP:" it tells my real ip
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18:41<kristianpaul>ml|, from where take all the info the dpkg robot?
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18:41<ml|>kristianpaul: ?
18:41<Vanished>so this site can take my ip in spite of the proxy
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18:41<kristianpaul>ml|, i got an inforobot, but is poor in knowledge
18:41<Vanished>it's not normal
18:42<kristianpaul>ml|, dpkg is inforobot but really know a lot
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18:42<Hideo>Vanished: that's why you want to disable scripts when you want to be completely invisible
18:42<Hideo>Vanished: use noscript or privoxy
18:42<ml|>kristianpaul: ask in #oftc, but it took time for dpkg to have all this info
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18:43<ml|>dpkg: tell kristianpaul about dpkgbot
18:43<Vanished>Hideo, I don't know noscript or privoxy, what is this ?
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18:43<Hideo>Vanished: noscript is an addon for firefox
18:44<Vanished>but I noticed that when I chain proxy, the site doesn't manage to get my true ip
18:44<Hideo>privoxy is in debian, "apt-cache show privoxy"
18:44<Vanished>okay i'll try that thank you
18:45<Hideo>Vanished: from what I see about that Internal IP thing, it uses java, which you can make noscript block
18:45<Vanished>ah okay I didn't know this
18:46<Vanished>but i'm reading this, noscript doesn't stop java on all sites
18:47<omnom>I managed to install a minimal squeeze system what packages should I add to get a kde desktop ?
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18:47<Hideo>it stop it on untrusted sites, if by default you only allow trusted sites, then yeah it will block on all other sites
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18:47<ml|>omnom: ask in #debian-kde
18:48<omnom>k
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18:50<cemunal>how can i fix that "W: GPG error: http://ftp.se.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" i added the multimedi repo.
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18:51<ml|>cemunal: install the key
18:51<Hideo>!key
18:51<dpkg>hmm... key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive
18:51<Vanished>Nice Hideo noscript is efficient, at least on what's my ip
18:51<cemunal>ml|, yes i see now :)
18:51<omnom>!nvidia
18:51<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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18:52<Hideo>Vanished: yep, or if you're like me, most time you don't need java for web apps, just disable in firefox's preferences
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18:52<locklace>yeah, noscript and adblock plus are the best browser extensions ever
18:53<ml|>yes they are
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18:54<xyem>wadjndeiuhfruinfewoifwenfwe
18:54*xyem kicks GNOME in the gonads
18:54<ml|>!nuclear gnome
18:54<ml|>aww
18:54<rah>http://pastebin.com/m50ffa3e1
18:54<xyem>Deleting ~/.evolution should reset evolution to "first run"
18:54<rah>$1000000 if anyone can figure out what's going on there
18:55<xyem>Does it?
18:55<Vanished>ah noscript is nice, I authorized what's my ip to execute javascript but it still can't take my real ip Internal (LAN) IP: FORBIDDEN
18:55<xyem>No
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18:55<omnom>locklace: I thought so too but after the noscript war against adblock to the point of breaking mozilla extension policy, I'm not so sure about noscript
18:55<Vanished>thank's for you're help
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18:55<Vanished>your*
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18:56<omnom>the whole story is over there: http://adblockplus.org/blog/attention-noscript-users
18:56<Hideo>yeah but looked like noscript stopped it now
18:57<Hideo>no more constant upgrades
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18:58<omnom>they stopped fighting adblock but they still imclude a whitelist for their own ads and commercial partners
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18:58<cemunal>i try every way but i can't hear the sound :(
18:58<adb>lenny ?
18:59<cemunal>yes
18:59<xyem>Hideo, that was why I was getting upgrades for NoScript nearly every time I launched Firefox?
18:59<omnom>motorhead lead singer?
18:59<Hideo>xyem: pretty much
18:59<omnom>xyem: exactly
18:59<cemunal>adb, now lenny but same squeeze and sid
18:59<adb>install alsa-tools , and run alsaconf
19:00<adb>err alsa-utils
19:00<cemunal>adb, i can see the sound controls xfc4-mixer
19:00<Hideo>omnom: actually the whitelist was removed by them also
19:00<cemunal>xfce4-mixer
19:01<omnom>Hideo: my bad then, I wasn't aware of that. I must admit I'm using opera as my main browser
19:01<adb>try to unmute /higher PCM
19:01<Hideo>omnom: any noscript and adblock equivalents for opera? I wanna try opera out too.
19:01<omnom>if you like adblock and noscript, you may like customizegoogle extension: http://www.customizegoogle.com/
19:01<cemunal>adb, yes i try it
19:01<ml|>Hideo: heh. just an update to ns today
19:02<ml|>*got
19:02<Vanished>Hideo, and what about privoxy, how does it run ? Does it have the same effect as noscript ?
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19:02<omnom>Hideo: basic noscript eauivalent features are builtin but not even close to be as practical to use
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19:03<Hideo>Vanished: yeah pretty same effect, but it's act as a server, and your browser connects through it, basically privoxy is a content filtering proxy server
19:03<ml|>Hideo: nothing like that for opera, but can be done with some hacking
19:03<omnom>Hideo: adblock eauivalent is also builtin through urlfilter.ini but it doesn't auto-update
19:03<Vanished>ah okay
19:03<cemunal>adb, 3 versions of debian same
19:04<ml|>omnom: i liked opera but that put me off and flashblock
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19:04<omnom>ml|: flashblock for opera does exist
19:04<ml|>omnom: yes just all the stuff to get this working in opera
19:04<omnom>Hideo: a recent and updated on a regular basis urlfilter.ini: http://pgl.yoyo.org/as/serverlist.php?hostformat=operafilter&showintro=0&mimetype=plaintext
19:05<Hideo>omnom: thanks
19:05<omnom>ml|: flashblock for opera: http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/flashblock-for-opera-9
19:05<adb>!alsaconf
19:05<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
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19:06<Hideo>omnom: can it block by regex?
19:06<Hideo>I wrote my own rules in regex
19:07<omnom>I don't think so, but this could be in the upcoming opera 10
19:07<ml|>omnom: thanks, i'll stick with iceweasel for now ;)
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19:09<omnom>whatever floats your boat ^^
19:09<locklace>vimperator is also a huge help
19:09<Neo_deb>hi all
19:09<adb>cemunal: speaker-test -t wav
19:09<Hideo>locklace: haha that is cool
19:10<cemunal>adb, root?
19:10<locklace>it's surprisingly complete and well-designed
19:10<adb>no
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19:10<cemunal>bash: speaker-test: command not found
19:10<adb>apt-file search speaker-test
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19:11<ml|>speaker-test -t wav -c2
19:11<adb>cemunal: as said install alsa-utils
19:12<ml|>without -c2 it only tests on speaker
19:12<adb>right ;
19:12<xyem>Heh heh
19:12<xyem>"I think the problem is on the remote machine"
19:12<veeArr>Hello, my audio used to work with that speaker test command on 2 channel (optical out) but has stopped after a dist-upgrade. How can I get it back?
19:12<xyem>Then why has it only cropped up when I updated the local machine?
19:13<ml|>dpkg: tell veeArr about alsa checklist
19:13<locklace>veeArr: what were you upgrading from/to
19:14<veeArr>I'm running unstable. I periodically do apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
19:14<cemunal>adb, must i stop by manually
19:14<adb>normal
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19:15<cemunal>adb, i don't hear any sound
19:15<locklace>veeArr: so what changed in the upgrade? do you have apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs installed? you should
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19:18<ml|>locklace: should i mention aptitude ;)
19:18<adb>cemunal: tried ? speaker-test -t wav -c2 ( wav Left Right as in army ...)
19:18<locklace>ml|: can't hurt
19:18<ml|>hehe
19:18<veeArr>I didn't have apt-listchanges installed.
19:18<veeArr>Not sure exactly what changed.
19:18<cemunal>adb, i don't hear any sound
19:19<xyem>locklace, is there a quick guide to how you should run Debian.. like explaining what apt-listchanges is and why you should have it etc.
19:19<ml|>dpkg: tell veeArr about aptitude
19:19<ml|>dpkg: tell veeArr about why aptitude
19:19<adb>cemunal: try to imagine ... Left Right , i kidding
19:19<locklace>xyem: there's the reference manual, it's a bit dated but is a decent place to start; and the faq
19:20<ml|>adb: hah
19:20<veeArr>So I should be useing aptitude instead of apt-get ?
19:20<omnom>yes
19:20<locklace>veeArr: yes, and if you had been then you'd be able to see what your upgrade did by looking at /var/log/aptitude
19:20<ml|>veeArr: did you read msg from dpkg
19:20<omnom>but for some reason most documentation still use the legacy apt-get
19:20<Hideo>locklace: shit man, I may never have to use a mouse again
19:21<locklace>Hideo: yeah, it actually makes web-browsing almost bearable
19:21<cemunal>adb, thanks
19:21<ml|>Hideo: like vimperator
19:21<veeArr>Yes, I read the msg
19:21<Hideo>ml|: yes!
19:21<adb>cemunal: try others helps , i'll can't go further ;(
19:22<xyem>locklace, cheers, I'll check them out before diving in
19:22<locklace>veeArr: anyway, does the kernel still see your card? what does "cat /proc/asound/cards" return
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19:22<ml|>veeArr: well the start using aptitude, but don't go back in forth stick with one
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19:23<veeArr>I'm using optical out:I still have 5.1 channel sound that way when the video app uses AC3 pass through. What I'm not clear on is how to direct 2-channel audio out the optical port.
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19:26<veeArr>cards says 0 [Intel ] HDA-Intel then an address and IRQ 2
19:26<veeArr>2
19:26<veeArr>22 really
19:26<locklace>ok, so next step, run alsamixer and check the all the right channels are muted or unmuted and volumes are fine
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19:28<Hideo>locklace: how do I open a bookmark?
19:28<xyem>Er.. how am I going to upgrade the kernel so my wireless works without.. a working network connection to the internet?
19:28<veeArr>Audio is unmuted. Is there an easy way to flush the alsa configuration so it resets?
19:28<locklace>Hideo: hehe, i still haven't figured that out. there's a faq about it but the answer is useless enough that i've forgotten it
19:29<ml|>Hideo: :bmarks i belive
19:29<locklace>Hideo: however, the tab completion system works well enough that usually you can just type a few characters of the title of the link you want and hit tab
19:29<ml|>or that
19:29<locklace>ml|: the problem is that that only shows them
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19:29<Hideo>ml|: I saw that but still don't get it
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19:29<Hideo>locklace: yes, but I would have to use the mouse to hit the link :P
19:29<ml|>tab then enter, but i stopped using it
19:29<locklace>Hideo: no, you just hit tab a few times
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19:30<ml|>or :marks
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19:31<locklace>but i think they need to fix the bookmark navigation really, kind of a weird hole in an otherwise very complete interface
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19:31<ml|>locklace: yes, i stopped using it because of that
19:34<Hideo>I'm still trying to figure it out
19:34<locklace>i guess another way to do it would be to export your bookmarks as a local html file
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19:34<ml|>Hideo: f1 is your friend ;)
19:35<Hideo>ml|: yes, still don't get it :P
19:35<Vanished>good night all
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19:36<Hideo>ml|: ok so say I type, ":bmarks lug: to look up a bookmark for a local lug, how do I open it?
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19:36<ml|>Hideo: not sure since i stopped using it but enter should do it
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19:36<Hideo>ml|: enter didn't work, that's my problem
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19:37<locklace>Hideo: it works for me by hitting tab until the right link is highlighted and then enter
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19:38<ml|>right that's what i meant
19:38<Hideo>locklace: I did the exact same thing :(
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19:40<locklace>i kind of like the bookmarks-as-html-page idea, maybe i'll set that up
19:41<Hideo>ok, using bookmark doesn't work for me, I'm uninstalling it, too bad :(
19:41<locklace>(i thought they were already stored as one, but i can't find it and now doubt that anything so straightforward is true)
19:41<ml|>reason i gave it the boot too
19:41<xyem>Gah.. rsync is being a pain now
19:42<locklace>you could also ask on #vimperator on freenode, maybe they know something we don't
19:42<ml|>locklace: yes was about to say
19:42<ml|>but no indaction from help tho, of another way
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19:45<ml|>locklace: i'm still reading about zsh :)
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19:48<locklace>one person suggested using this, which is an improvement over my html page idea: http://bookmarkshome.mozdev.org/
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20:19<bcw>ok, i've got the video driver set up, the debian package works fine :) but now i'm trying to get wireless networking to work, so far with no success. lspci gives "Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x" and ifconfig shows it up, i've followed the wiki page but it doesn't show in nm-editor. network-admin says "Disconnected"
20:20<xyem>bcw, if I recall correctly, you need the ath5k module for that chipset
20:20<bcw>i have that
20:20<xyem>I believe my fathers laptop has it
20:20<bcw>i did an lsmod and it's loaded
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20:21<bcw>lsmod | grep ath5k gives ath5k 98176 0
20:22<bcw>and synonyms
20:22<xyem>What are you using to configure it? wpa-supplicant?
20:22<bcw>i was using nm-editor and network-admin
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20:24<Praxis>I've read that wicd does a great job managing WPA for a GUI, I have the repository, but haven't tried it yet. http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
20:24<xyem>Not sure if I can help, my wireless is managed by ifup/ifdown and wpa_supplicant..
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20:26<bcw>ifconfig shows it up too
20:26<bcw>i haven't really tried wpa_supplicant yet
20:27<xyem>Well I set my wireless up as the README for wpa_supplicant dictates ( roaming mode )
20:27<xyem>Works a treat for me :-) I don't have to touch it
20:28<Praxis>http://www.everyjoe.com/newlinuxuser/howto-use-iwconfig/
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20:33<bcw>i tried iwconfig too, it shows the interface but a blank ESSID
20:33<bcw>should i pastebin its output?
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20:35<Praxis>Also, I hate to suggest a proprietary solution, but for me madwifi works better than ath5k, still not perfect on my cheapo $7 AR5212 PCMCIA card, but I'm dropping a lot fewer packets.
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20:54<bcw>now i'm trying to follow these directions http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#GNOME but there is no "Enable this connection" option to tick!
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21:05<omgtrash>how can i set my display?
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21:09<fabio_>dpkg-buildpackage gives me 4 files, also a .deb and a tar.gz whereas the tar.gz contains the program, it should be in the .deb..what do i do wrong, the rules file is ok i think
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21:16<omgtrash>can someone tell me what is causing this error?
21:16<omgtrash>/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:72: GtkWarning: could not open display
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21:17<bremner>omgtrash: in bash, export DISPLAY=host:num, host:0 is typical
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21:18<omgtrash>should i do that under root or as a regular user
21:18<f_9>hello everybody
21:20<omgtrash>bremner: i recieved the same error. how can i find out the host:num part for sure?
21:20<bremner>omgtrash: us a regular user. What are you trying to do, that your DISPLAY isn't already set?
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21:22<omgtrash>run deluge, i ran it as a regular user
21:22<omgtrash>recieved the same error
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21:23<omgtrash>bremner: here is the whole error http://pastebin.com/m20d48b64
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21:25<omgtrash>i can vnc and get a gui(gnome) just fine, but when i run it, it doesn't do anything. when i try to run from commandline that's the error i get
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21:28<bremner>omgtrash: when you say the command line, you mean a terminal emulator in gnome?
21:28<omgtrash>somewhat, i mean ssh
21:29<omgtrash>forgot to mention this is a server
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21:30<omgtrash>i don't really need a gui for this tbh, i just really need the webui
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21:33<bremner>omgtrash: if you want X, you have to run ssh -X server
21:34<bremner>omgtrash: and it has to be enabled on the server, and you have to have local X server
21:34*bremner knows nothing about vnc
21:34<omgtrash>i don't really care for a gui like i said
21:34<omgtrash>i just need it to run
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21:35<bremner>omgtrash: well, consult the deluge documentation, and see if you can disable the gui
21:35<omgtrash>are all the errors based on the gui?
21:36<Bob>I don't know anything about Apache, and I am trying to install a program that requires my configuration of it....anyone knows Apache??
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21:37<omgtrash>explain again Bob
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21:38<f_9>you can download apache with this comand apt-get install apache2
21:38<Bob>Ok, basically, I am trying to install SQL-Ledger, and here is where I am at now (from the Readme file):
21:38<Bob> SET PERMISSION:
21:38<Bob> ---------------
21:38<Bob> change directory to /usr/local/sql-ledger
21:38<Bob>
21:38<Bob> # chown -hR nobody:nogroup users templates css spool
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21:40<Bob>I am back....
21:40<omgtrash>use pastebin Bob
21:40<Bob>how so?
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21:41<omgtrash>www.pastebin.com
21:44<adb>!pastebin
21:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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21:45<Bob>http://paste.debian.net/36385
21:46<Bob>That is what I should be doing, but I have no idea what the "web server user" and "group" are on my system...
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21:47<Bob>omgtrash: is my question clear ?
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21:48<omgtrash>what are you trying to do?
21:48<Bob>make SQL-Ledger work on my system!
21:48<omgtrash>well do you have apache installed?
21:49<Bob>Yes, I do. I am following the Readme file, and I am at the "Set Permission" stage, and I don't know what to type...
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21:50<adb>ask www.sql-ledger
21:50<omgtrash>type www-data
21:50<omgtrash>since it runs off apache
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21:53<Bob>cool!
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21:54<Bob>It worked, thanks omgtrash!! I've been fiddling on this for quite a long time now.... This is cooool!
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21:54<omgtrash>yee no worries
21:56<Bob>well...while I'm here....
21:56<Bob>as I said, I know "0" about apache, SQL and the like...
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21:58<deniz>i installed debian with a seperate home partition because i knew that the experimental behaviour in my blood would cause me to destroy my OS and I just did :( so, is there a way to tell the debian lenny disc to install debian on that small ~5gb partition and to re-use the same home partition so that everything (except configuration of the way programs act) is exactly the way it was before ruining my system?
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21:59<ml|>deniz: yes you can do that, but without seen it can't tell how to do it
22:00<Bob>omgtrash: I am now being asked for "host", "port" and "password", any idea what these would be?
22:00<deniz>ml|, check private message
22:00<omgtrash>what is asking you this?
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22:01<Bob>the actual SQL-Ledger program
22:01<Bob>run on Iceweasel from http://localhost/sql-ledger/admin.pl
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22:01<omgtrash>sounds like mysql settings?
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22:03<Bob>the program uses PostgreSQL, could that be it?
22:03<omgtrash>yeah enter your sql settings there
22:04<Bob>what would the port be?
22:04<omgtrash>not a clue, i've never associated ports with any sql db
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22:07<Bob>I guess this is my next obstacle....
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22:22<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about lvm
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22:23<shonen>when I try to manually change my wireless interface's MAC using the line "ifconfig eth1 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx" it gives me the error "SIOCSIFHWADDR: Invalid argument" been googling the problem and seems widespread in debian/ubuntu. anyone know what is wrong?
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22:24<stuart>my sound has stopped working after synaptic upgraded the kernel. How to fix?
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22:25<PMT>stuart: what chipset, and what version of debian?
22:27<shonen>n/m...just found out about macchanger, and it did the job.
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22:29<stuart>pmt: latest stable -- chipset dont know but card is an m-audio 2496 --- i always gave trouble getting it to wotk on debian, usually reinstalling g streamer seems to do the trick but not this time
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22:31<stuart>pmt: im using alsa mixer in the volume applet
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22:32<stuart>pmt: maybe i should just reinstall alsa?
22:34<adb>try alsaconf
22:34<PMT>stuart: interesting
22:34<PMT>do non-gstreamer apps work?\
22:34<PMT>[e.g. is this a specific app/library/interface problem or the sound driver]
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22:35<stuart>how do i test that?
22:36<adb>speaker-test -t wav -c2
22:36<PMT>interesting. i didn't know about that.
22:37<stuart>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
22:37<stuart>Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
22:38<adb>stuart: logout/login may help
22:38<stuart>have tried that
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22:39<adb>reboot
22:39<stuart>ok lol
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22:52<stuart>i reinstalled alsa, alsa base and gstremer alsa, rebooted and it's working again -- wierd and annoying, but I think that's what i need to do everytime debian downloads an updated kernel
22:52<adb>changed the kernel ?
22:52<adb>ah, that's was
22:52<stuart>incidentlye prior to that alsaconfig that someone asked me to run did not list my sound card
22:53<adb>hehe
22:53<stuart>adb: i don't know... yeterday synaptic identified an available update and linux imagfe xxxx was updated
22:53<stuart>adb: thats a kernel update yeah?
22:53<adb>ues
22:53<adb>yes
22:53<adb>uname -r
22:54<adb>does ?
22:54<stuart>2.6.26-2-686
22:54<adb>the kernel is named "linux image" , voila
22:55<stuart>adb: huh?
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22:55<adb>prior was 2.6.26-1-686
22:55<stuart>adb: ok, so you updated yesterday too?
22:55<adb>not yet
22:55<stuart>adb: anyway, all's good, so thanks
22:55<adb>but i listen to ppls
22:56<adb>yw
22:56<stuart>adb: you're cautious about new kernel?
22:56<adb>yes
22:56<stuart>adb: huuh huh paranoid
22:56<adb>why ?
22:56<stuart>adb: you're very careful
22:56<stuart>adb: it does seem ok so far...
22:57<adb>uptime 04:54:41 up 4 days
22:57<stuart>k
22:58<adb>yah 2.6.26-2-686 is ok
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