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00:00<shamanix>!hu
00:00<dpkg>methinks hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
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00:01<shamanix>!sr
00:01<shamanix>!hr
00:01<dpkg>somebody said hr was Croatia
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00:05<shamanix>!rs
00:05<dpkg>A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy.
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00:17<Supaplex>indeed
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00:22<eduardo>Hola
00:24<eduardo>HI
00:24<eduardo>Can anybody help me?
00:25<eduardo>I need to download debian, with XFCE full. But I don't know what iso I need to download...
00:25<Supaplex>why not download the netinst, and apt get that after?
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00:26<eduardo>Because, the PC don't have internet...
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00:26<eduardo>It's a too old PC...
00:26<eduardo> debian-501-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso 13-Apr-2009 03:16 648M --> It's this?
00:26<Supaplex>humm.. I don't know to be honest.
00:27<Supaplex>based on the iso image name, that looks right.
00:27<eduardo>But, that iso have's the full X11?
00:27<eduardo>or I need another cd to full install?
00:27<Supaplex>if it has xfce, it would have to have x11.
00:28<eduardo>But, it's a extension CD? or It's the full cd of debian, + xfce?
00:29<eduardo>And, what are the minimum to use debian?
00:30<eduardo>That PC, have's 80mb of ram....
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00:32<eduardo>Do you speek spanish?
00:35<Supaplex>!es
00:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:48<amanda-b>what's the gnome equiv to the start-kde script in lenny? to go eg in xstartup. exec gnome-session & in my start script gives me a pretty background but no control knobs.
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00:57<dkr>weird, I thought that would do it.
00:58<dkr>maybe you had a session file overriding the default of /usr/share/gnome/default.session which start6s up the wm,panel, nautilus?
00:59<dkr>I guess youcould just start those three yourself, :)
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01:04<joshua__>what is the name of the app that allows you to have a cursor in runlevel 3?
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01:04<Supaplex>!runlevels
01:04<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>
01:05<joshua__>well in the cli sorry....
01:06<Supaplex>on the console?
01:06<joshua__>yeah like when you are on ttyl1
01:06<Supaplex>as in the hardware cursor?
01:07<joshua__>i think so i remeber the app being something like pmb or something
01:07<Supaplex>humph. I'm stumped.
01:07<joshua__>my buddy showed it to me a ling time ago and i used it before i loaded the gui
01:08<joshua__>it allowed me to select text and if i click the third mouse button it pastes the selected text over to where the keybpard cursor is
01:09<Supaplex>gpm
01:09<joshua__>thats the one
01:10<snogglethorpe>hey, when you install a libxx-dbg package, how are you supposed to use the debug version of the library?
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01:11<snogglethorpe>I though maybe something like "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib ldd proggie" but... that doesn't seem to output anything different than the usual output
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01:13<Supaplex>snogglethorpe: afaik, -dbg's are for symbols for gdb to pick up.
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01:15<snogglethorpe>Supaplex: hmm actrually i'm interesting in valgrind
01:15<Supaplex>if it's as smart as gdb, perhaps it'll be fine. dunno myself.
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01:17<snogglethorpe>the thing is, -dbg libs do basically seem to come with full libraries, which are unstripped
01:18<Supaplex>I think they're only the symbols. I don't think the code resides in them.
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01:20<jm_>they usually reside in a different dir anyway
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01:20<snogglethorpe>I get this: file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62.0.0 ==> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62.0.0: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, not stripped
01:21<snogglethorpe>valgrind does seem to pick it up
01:21<snogglethorpe>dunno whether the code's coming from there or not though
01:21<jm_>ldd wouldn't output anything different, but it will make a differnce for a debugger etc.
01:23<jm_>ld.so debugging options will show where symbols are coming from too
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01:44<debam>hi to all, while compiling a code i am getting error as size of array 'typr name' is negative
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01:54<prahal_>debam, home made code or external ?
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01:54<debam>prahal_, home made
01:55<Supaplex>sounds like you need a channel, specific to programming that kind of code.
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01:57<prahal_>any nufw users . I have issues with nuauth ... when I try to connect to it I get a gnutls error and nuauth dies
01:58<prahal_>using debian packages and localhost for the certificate (no CA , default from package)
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02:01<aaron__>can someone give me a hand with this error please http://www.ipv6.org/
02:02<amanda-b>what's the gnome equiv to the start-kde script in lenny? to go eg in xstartup. exec gnome-session & in my start script gives me a pretty background but no control knobs.
02:02<jm_>!start gnome
02:02<dpkg>rumour has it, starting gnome is echo exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession
02:02<aaron__>can someone give me a hand with this error please http://pastebin.ca/1429629
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02:13<amanda-b>as i indicated, all i get with gnome-session is a background (a very nice debian one) and nothing else. on menus, windows, apps, anything, except something from the vncserver about clipboard stuff.
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02:14<jm_>aaron__: are you using a custom kernel?
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02:14<aaron__>jm_, nope just the 2.6.26-2-686 kernel
02:14<jm_>aaron__: did you try loading ipv6 module then?
02:14<aaron__>yeah i did
02:15<jm_>did it load?
02:15<aaron__>yeah
02:15<aaron__>Setting up IPv6 tunnel: No IPv6 support found
02:15<aaron__>Try "modprobe ipv6"
02:15<aaron__>Error is 3: INTERFACE_SETUP_FAILED
02:15<aaron__>TSP session done
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02:15<aaron__>that's the error im getting now
02:16<aaron__>jm_, any ideas?
02:16<jm_>what's the last line in /proc/net/protocols?
02:16<jm_>just first word needed
02:17<aaron__>DDP 384 -1 -1 NI 0 no appletalk n n n n n n $
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02:18<jm_>does it mention TCPv6?
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02:19<aaron__>nope jm_
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02:19<jm_>aaron__: grep ipv6 /proc/modules
02:19<aaron__>jm_, not getting no output
02:19<jm_>aaron__: so you didn't load it
02:20<aaron__>i did
02:20<aaron__>darkplanet:/home/aaron# modprobe ipv6
02:20<aaron__>darkplanet:/home/aaron#
02:20<jm_>or wait, not getting no output would mean you ar egetting output?
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02:20<steven>hi
02:21<aaron__>jm_, i actually load up the module
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02:21<aaron__>but when i do lsmod | grep ipv6 i get no output
02:22<aaron__>what do you say jm_ ?
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02:22<jm_>aaron__: check what kernel says after you modprobe it
02:22<aaron__>jm_, i get no errors
02:23<jm_>aaron__: how did you check?
02:23<aaron__>after i do modprobe ipv6
02:23<jm_>yes, but how?
02:23<aaron__>nothing really happens
02:23<jm_>run dmesg
02:24<aaron__>i did
02:25<aaron__>that's odd
02:25<jm_>that makes no sense to me
02:25<aaron__>jm_, ?
02:26<jm_>where is modprobe coming from?
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02:27<aaron__>jm_, ?
02:27<jm_>aaron__: !
02:28<aaron__>what do you mean by that
02:28<jm_>which modprobe
02:28<jm_>another thing I can think of is the module is blacklisted
02:29<aaron__>how can i see that?
02:29<aaron__>if the module is blacklisted?
02:29<jm_>grep ipv6 /etc/modprobe.d/*
02:29<aaron__>/etc/modprobe.d/aliases:# alias net-pf-10 ipv6
02:29<aaron__>/etc/modprobe.d/aliases:alias net-pf-10 ipv6
02:29<aaron__>/etc/modprobe.d/local:install ipv6 /bin/true
02:29<aaron__>/etc/modprobe.d/local:install ipv6 /bin/true
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02:29<jm_>perhaps modprobe -v will also show something
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02:29<jm_>that is a blacklist
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02:29<aaron__>how do i remove it?
02:30<jm_>edit the file and comment it out
02:30<jm_>but first do modprobe -v ipv6
02:30<aaron__>install /bin/true
02:30<jm_>ok that's helpful for next time someone has similar problem, thank you
02:31<aaron__>jm_, so now what?
02:31<jm_>aaron__: <jm_> edit the file and comment it out
02:31<aaron__># alias net-pf-2 ipv4
02:31<aaron__># alias net-pf-10 ipv6
02:31<jm_>no the install ipv6 one
02:32<aaron__>i have here on /etc/modprobe.d/local install ipv6 /bin/true
02:32<jm_>yes comment it out
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02:33<aaron__>done
02:33<jm_>all of them?
02:33<aaron__>they we're only too lines in it
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02:36<aaron__>tun: error fetching interface information: Device not found
02:36<aaron__>now im getting that error
02:37<jm_>for that I am not sure, perhaps it wants configured ipv6 interface
02:37<aaron__>got it
02:38<jm_>or maybe modprobe tun
02:40<aaron__>done
02:40<aaron__>thank you for you're time jm_
02:41<jm_>aaron__: np
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02:47<snogglethorpe>is the llvm compiler in debian known to be flakey?
02:48<snogglethorpe>i get valgrind errors when using it (on a llvm-compiled proggie), but gdb doesn't seem to be able to debug llvm-compiled proggies...
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02:50<jm_>did you check BTS?
02:50<snogglethorpe>hmm good idea
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02:53<snogglethorpe>mmm not much in BTS
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02:55<snogglethorpe>better irc channel?
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03:01<Supaplex>judd: versions bind9
03:01<judd>Supaplex: bind9 -- etch: 1:9.3.4-2etch4 etch-security: 1:9.3.4-2etch4 lenny: 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P1-2 squeeze: 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P2-1 sid: 1:9.6.0.dfsg.P1-2
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03:12<bolice_lee>i
03:13<hate29>Hi, so is there some resolution this xorg problem? I have 640x480 resolution, cause autodetection didn't work for me. Monitor is acer al2216w with native 1680x1050.
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03:14<bolice_lee>in text mode , update display drive
03:15<bolice_lee>or install
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03:18<jm_>hate29: check x logfile for details, otherwise you can specify it manually
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03:21<bolice>enhe
03:22<kakalto>Hi, I've installed lenny 64bit, with ia32-libs and are now trying to play enemy territory, but strangely my framerate is quite low. I know my hardware handles this game, any ideas why the performance hit? Am I missing something?
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03:25<Supaplex>kakalto: not related yet, but are you using lvm?
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03:30<kakalto>Supaplex: nope.
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03:32<Supaplex>humm. if you're savy with setting up a parallel install, you could resize a partition, create an alternate one just for i386, and test it native there.
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03:38<kakalto>is always an option, seems a lot of work though.
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03:46<BabaBlackSheep>hello??
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04:21<kakalto>Supaplex: do you think setting up a 32bit chroot is a viable alternative, will it likely make much difference?
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04:21<ruben>Can anyone help me install fpc on my PC?
04:22<ruben>I have a .deb package, but I can't resolve the dependencies
04:23<petemc>after you dpkg -i foo.deb , run aptitude -f install
04:23<ruben>Ok, one mo
04:23<ruben>Also, what is foo?
04:23<ruben>I see it everywhere
04:23<petemc>!foo
04:23<dpkg>it has been said that foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
04:24<ruben>Oh
04:24<Lish>in c++ when i use int main() and i use return 0; then i return the value and it will be succes , what return 1 does!? (not in function)
04:25<ruben>aptitude -f install just removes the package again
04:25<petemc>so the deps cant be satisfied
04:25<ruben>Damn
04:25<ruben>Do you know any way of installing free pascal
04:26<petemc>apt-cache search pascal
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04:27<Lish>i was istall pascal before 3month ..>> google fpc pascal
04:28<Lish>and the first resualts
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04:28<ruben>I have followed that, all I got was a deb package I couldn't resolve
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04:30<ruben>No luck
04:30<simNIX>greetz @ all
04:30<Lish>why you don't download the .tar file
04:30<ruben>How do you install a tar file?
04:30<Lish>ok let me download it and i help you
04:31<ruben>Cheers
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05:02<sylarrr>I get these errors in synaptic: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.E: Unable to lock the download directory
05:02<sylarrr>how can I fix?
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05:06<valdyn>sylarrr: quit the other package manager you have running
05:06<locklace>sylarrr: sounds like two different things. for the lock, are there any other apt/dpkg/synaptic processes running
05:07<locklace>sylarrr: for the broken packages, what packages do you have in held state
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05:08<sylarrr>valdyn, I don't have other package manager running
05:09<sylarrr>locklace, I have locked version of openais to 0.80
05:09<sylarrr>but since I have unistalled
05:09<sylarrr>and installed 0.83
05:10<sylarrr>and tried to lock version, without the repo for 0.80 version
05:10<sylarrr>which didn't work
05:10<sylarrr>and then I added the repo (marked vi in the checkbox)
05:10<sylarrr>and then it happend
05:10<sylarrr>I have searched https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/15020
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05:10<sylarrr>and so I understand this is due to trying to downgrade
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05:11<sylarrr>so I unistalled, and reinstalled the lower version
05:11<sylarrr>which worked
05:11<dan__>heloo
05:11<sylarrr>but strange
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05:13<sylarrr>what is that trick of installing something into a folder instead of the main system called?
05:13<sylarrr>for installing from source?
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05:23<Nemoder>sylarrr: often the configure script will have a --prefix option
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05:57<BabaBlackSheep>hello what does he --prefix option do??
05:57<BabaBlackSheep>Nemoder, what exactly does a --prefix option do??
05:58<jlouis>BabaBlackSheep: that depends on what program you are talking about
05:58<jlouis>configure scripts?
05:59<Nemoder>yes, it depends on the program, but usually it lets you set a directory to install to other than root
05:59<BabaBlackSheep>yes I have a fastcgi program that I need to run under apache, currently I have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the apache conf file?
06:00<BabaBlackSheep>otherwise it does not run, but I noticed the configure script supports the --prefix option, will it help in my case so that I don't have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH??
06:01<Nemoder>simply rebuilding it from source should negate the need for LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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06:03<BabaBlackSheep>I built it from the source but apache won't some ".so" files required by the program unless I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
06:03<jm_>why does it need LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
06:05<BabaBlackSheep>I am using http://www.nongnu.org/fastcgipp/ which has shared library fastcgipp.so
06:06<BabaBlackSheep>I use it in conjunction with http://fastcgi.coremail.cn/
06:06<jm_>where is the lib located?
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06:06<BabaBlackSheep>I have to set DefaultInitEnv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib in Apache before my program works
06:07<BabaBlackSheep>/usr/local/lib
06:07<jm_>you can add that to ld.so.conf and you don't need to set env or set RPATH for the executable
06:08<BabaBlackSheep>vlc question: I am running 0.98 and the window and controls are appearing as 2 separate windows, before with 0.86 this was not the case can the old behaviour be restored or is it a bug??
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06:13<BabaBlackSheep>I am currently adding to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/fcgid.conf
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06:22<kurumin>ok
06:22<amanda-b>i'm running a vncserver and trying to get gnome going. when i start X, i get this: http://picpaste.com/gursh.png note the lack of windows, menus, any kind of control knobs. the xerrors log looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m468ea7eb By going into the command line via ssh, I can open a terminal and gnome-panel, but when i try to run gnome-session-save I get this: http://pastebin.ca/1429768 Where do I go now to get this runn
06:22<amanda-b>ing?
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06:23<kurumin>test
06:23<amanda-b>fail
06:23<kurumin>on more time......
06:24<kurumin>ok
06:24<kurumin>test
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06:25<kurumin>test
06:25<kurumin>gopher
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06:26<kurumin>#list
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06:31<locklace>amanda-b: how are you starting x? does it work if you use something besides gnome?
06:32<amanda-b>locklace, using an invocation of vncserver (which is a perl script). kde runs, although the new rendering in 4.2 is utter unusable crap under vnc (a problem i've found references to elsewhere, it's vnc, not kde). thus, to placate the user who is unable to cope with a command line, i'm trying to switch to gnome.
06:33<jm_>does it work for the user if started locally on console?
06:34<amanda-b>jm_, this is a hosted server. no console access is possible.
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06:34<amanda-b>this is the start script i'm using: http://pastebin.ca/1429773 .... pretty basic stuff.
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06:34<themill>hosted server.... vnc... gnome. You don't often hear those things in the same sentence.
06:35<amanda-b>if you can fix the rendering in kde, i'll use that instead.
06:35<amanda-b>kde produces this: http://picpaste.com/pics/screenshot_1.1242902140.png
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06:36<amanda-b>actually that's an old screenshot. for some reason, my last invocation of kde produced the gnome foot in the lower left menu botton. go figure.
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06:37<jm_>amanda-b: hmm I am affraid I can't help with GNOME, I never used it - maybe try something else like xfce or lxde
06:37<jm_>my guess would be it's missing some xfree86 extension
06:38<themill>aiui, gnome should work OK inside vnc
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06:40<jm_>ok so that's not it then
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06:41<gsimmons>BabaBlackSheep: (re VLC) Known issue, see http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=51124 and VLC ticket #2136. Resolved in the 1.0.0 release candidates.
06:43<joe__>when im logged in as a user my terminal is colored and pretty like the dirs are blue, and execs are green, but when i su root its all black and white, how do i fix that?
06:43<BabaBlackSheep>gsimmons, thanks
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06:44<BabaBlackSheep>now only waiting for gcc 4.4 to hit testing
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06:44<ufo>greetz
06:44<joe__>greetz
06:44<llutz>joe__: compare your .bashrc with roots
06:45<ufo>having an issue booting my debian 4
06:45<themill>BabaBlackSheep: gcc-4.4 is already in squeeze. But it's not the default gcc anywhere yet
06:46<oladejo>REGISTER OLA
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06:47<ufo>it has 3 scsi controller. now the first one is no longer the first one and the boot-device has gone to a different place. Any suggestion?
06:48<BabaBlackSheep>themill, you're right, the meta-package is still pointing to 4.3 :-(
06:49<themill>BabaBlackSheep: there's a good reason for that... there's a fair portion of the archive that fails to compile with gcc 4.4 still.
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06:50<BabaBlackSheep>themill, thanks for that info, now I can install 4.4 so that I can play with the latest C++0x features.
06:50<ufo>I'm pretty desperate. Someone to help me with a scsi boot issue?
06:50<locklace>ufo: debian 4? etch? did this just randomly happen or did something change?
06:51<BabaBlackSheep>themill, archive?? I presume the stuff in the unstable repo, right?
06:51<themill>BabaBlackSheep: :) there's also the gcc-snapshot package in sid that you can fiddle with if you like. It has the current snapshot of gcc 4.5 in it.
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06:51<ufo>debian 4.0 r6. This server has run for ages. Only after the last reboot it wont come up anymore. Can't find bootdevice
06:51<themill>BabaBlackSheep: archive == the debian repositories.
06:51<jm_>ufo: mount by using labels/uuid
06:52<jm_>ufo: if it can't boot due to not being able to run boot loader it might be a BIOS issue
06:53<ufo>no, it does boot. But waits for root-device and times out.
06:53<BabaBlackSheep>ok then look forward to vlc 1.0.
06:53<jm_>ok then mounting via uuid/label shall help you -- as long as drivers are loaded
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06:54<ufo>how to find uuid of lets say /dev/sdh2?
06:54<locklace>ufo: yeah, fixing fstab (from a rescue disk if necessary) to mount by label or uuid will "resolve' that, but the whole thing is stupid
06:54<petemc>ufo: blkid
06:54<locklace>ufo: run blkid
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06:55<ufo>ok..
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06:55<locklace>ufo: you can also use e2label to set fs labels if they're not set already, and then put those in fstab, nicer to read than uuids
06:57<ufo>just now, I'm in a (initramfs) prompt. Not much I can do here, can I?
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06:59<ufo>an example of fstab-line with label? Does debian 4 support labels anyway?
07:00<jm_>you can try and mount it by hand
07:01<jm_>wait, not sure if etch supported that, better use a rescue medium
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07:05<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:13<ben00001>anyone here avaialble for a little chroot cron help
07:13<petemc>!ask
07:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:13<ben00001>all our users are chrooted (jailed) with sshd - but they need crontabs. i have added the crontab app into the jail, and it creates the relavant file in /var/spool/crontabs/USER - but making the file doesn't actually make the cron run. how can i get the system to pick up this file, and run the cron - and most imporantly, run the cron in a chroot
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07:21<jm_>ben00001: you can't, cron looks in its own /var/spool/crontabs dir
07:21<ben00001>i was thinking maybe something along the lines of /bin/run-parts
07:22<ben00001>but for cron files, rather than bash scripts
07:22<ben00001>however, i can symlink the cron files to the parent /var/spool dir
07:22<ben00001>but then, how can i ensure the cron runs symlinked
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07:22<ben00001>not symlinked sorry, CHRooted
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07:23<jm_>why would cron run chrooted?
07:24<ben00001>as the users SSH bash is in a jail - i want to ensure any crons they perform are also chrooted
07:24<ben00001>1. for a bit of security and 2. so there relative file paths are right
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07:29<jm_>forget about that, cron doesn't allow it - you'd need to run cron for each user
07:29<ben00001>hmmmm
07:29<ben00001>that puts a small spanner in the works then
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07:35<eden>Hi, I need help to know how to add a MIB in SNMP and to use it. (sorry for my English, i'm a french boy )
07:36<jm_>eden: net-snmp has examples for that
07:36<eden>In fact i have a cisco router
07:36<eden>i want get info about bandwidth
07:36<eden>percent use
07:37<eden>and the mib is sysTrafficMeter
07:37<eden>but it's not include with the snmp package and standard MIB
07:37<locklace>eden: you'll have more luck in a networking channel
07:37<eden>ah
07:37<eden>which channel ?
07:38<eden>do you have a channel for this kind of question ?
07:39<locklace>eden: irc.freenode.net #cisco or ##networking
07:39<eden>thanks a lot
07:39<eden>have a nice day :)
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07:40<jm_>uhm are you saying cisco doesn't provide that by default?
07:41<eden>i can find mib on the website of cisco
07:41<eden>but when i have all file (of the mib)
07:41<eden>i dont know how to use it
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07:42<locklace>you stick it in the mib directory of your snmp client
07:42<jm_>you can get a particular MIB via snmpget
07:42<eden>yes
07:42<eden>but with the standard mib i have not all info
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07:43<eden>i cant not get sysTrafficMeter
07:43<jm_>that's best discussed on cisco/networking channels then
07:43<eden>yes but the chan cisco and networking are empty no?
07:44<eden>i am on #cisco there is 3 people
07:44<locklace>this isn't irc.freenode.net
07:44<eden>arf
07:44<eden>on which server i can find it ?
07:44<locklace>...
07:45<eden>:(
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07:45<locklace>please type "/server irc.freenode.net" now
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07:46<eden>thx locklace
07:46<eden>it's ok now
07:46<eden>i am on the right chan
07:46<locklace>!congratulate eden
07:46<dpkg>Yay eden, you did it!
07:46<eden>yeah !!!!!
07:47<eden>thanks you :)
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07:56<Flakk>Hi people I am trying to use aespipe (in a simplest way possible) and it does not work. That is, it encrypts a small text file OK, but when decrypting it adds a set of non-identified characters to the contents of the file. Still it recognizes the password gievn , so it does not seem to be completely broken. I am at lenny any help?
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08:01<locklace>Flakk: works fine for me
08:01<locklace>judd versions aespipe
08:01<judd>locklace: aespipe -- etch: 2.3b-4 lenny: 2.3d-2 sid: 2.3e-1 squeeze: 2.3e-1
08:01<locklace>i'm using 2.3e-1 though
08:02<Flakk>locklace: I have installed only aespipe (not aes-loop"). Is this OK?
08:02<locklace>changelog doesn't indicate any real changes between those two versions though
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08:02<locklace>yes, it's a completely independent utility
08:02<Flakk>I say: aespipe <aa >bb
08:03<Flakk>and suppose it will encrypt aa to the file bb, right?
08:03<locklace>i don't really understand the problem you're having. what happens if you "cd /tmp; ls -l | aespipe > ls.out; (enter password); aespipe -d < ls.out; (enter password)"
08:04<Flakk>1 sec
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08:06<locklace>oops, changelog does say it's a new upstream version (doesn't mention what the upstream changes are, though)
08:07<Flakk>locklace: this works fine. thanks! - however the result of aespipe -d <[outputfile] appears in console, when i want if to be written to a file I say aespipe -d <[output] >[decryptedfile] and this [decryptedfile] is a mess
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08:08<locklace>so if you do exactly the same steps above with the ls, except replace the last command with "aespipe -d < ls.out > ls.txt", what does ls.txt look like?
08:09<Flakk>ls.txt has the contents of the very first file (this is good) and then a string of non-identifiable characters, which gedit refuses to read
08:09<Flakk>(i read it with kedit, and thus got this info)
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08:10<locklace>weird
08:11<locklace>let me see if i get any extra bytes
08:11<Flakk>though i write all this slightly differently: $aespipe <aaaa >aaab
08:11<Flakk>and then $aespipe -d <aaab >aaac
08:12<Flakk>(basically this is what the man page suggest)
08:12<locklace>ah, i do; the decrypted output appears to be padded to the length of the encrypted file
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08:12<Flakk>exact!
08:13<jrodger>anyone done any virtualisation?
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08:14<locklace>!tell jrodger about ask
08:14<locklace>Flakk: i guess the last paragraph in the Description section of the manpage is relevant
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08:15<Flakk>locklace: the one beginning with "Password string has a minimum length of 20 characters (or 1 character when using rmd160 password hash).
08:15<Flakk>?
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08:16<locklace>no, maybe different manpage version, i'll paste the text from mine
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08:17<locklace>Flakk: http://pastebin.com/d1aac43d2
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08:18<Flakk>hm - does that mean that I will have the same problem with every file which size is not divisible by 16?? or 512
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08:20<locklace>i guess so. that description is not really clear in my opinion, it seems wrong to me not to remove the padding on decryption but maybe this is the intended behaviour
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08:21<Flakk>observe however that if I do not want to save the decrypted fiel as [file], and just want to display it, as you told me - it works fine!
08:21<locklace>well, that's just because the padding consists of null bytes which are not printing characters in your terminal
08:22<Flakk>yes, right you are
08:22<locklace>you can always manually remove the null bytes at the end of the decrypted data if you want (but this is not a great solution if the original data may contain null bytes)
08:23<Flakk>well it is OK for the text files (although gedit refuses to read it)
08:23<Flakk>but if I have a big fila, say PS or something
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08:23<locklace>if you're using it only on text files, just pass the decrypted output through a helper program that strips trailing null bytes
08:23<locklace>tr -d '\000' for instance, although that removes *all* such bytes
08:24<locklace>or use an encryption program that isn't braindead about pad handling ;)
08:24<Flakk>I guess gpg is not ) but i thought aes is better...
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08:26<locklace>gpg supports aes
08:26<Nazcafan>hey, I noticed that debian now provides the openJDK from the iced tea project, is it a good choice to remove the one from the FSF?
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08:26<locklace>Flakk: gpg --help | grep AES
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08:27<Flakk>~$ gpg --help | grep AES
08:27<Flakk>Cipher: 3DES, CAST5, BLOWFISH, AES, AES192, AES256, TWOFISH - hmmm
08:28<Flakk>did not quite get what you meant ..
08:28<locklace>you want to use aes, gpg supports aes, what's the problem?
08:28<jm_>you can use gpg to encrypt files
08:28<jm_>that was the point I think
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08:29<Flakk>locklace: you mean that if I just use GPG there is built-in function which will do AES incrypting for me?
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08:29<locklace>yes
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08:29<locklace>try something like gpg -ec --cipher-algo AES myfile.txt
08:30<Flakk>Oh ok, thanx! I would not guess this. will try. Btw, do you think I should write to aespipe developers about these null bytes? or they know this by sure/
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08:31<locklace>Flakk: i would recommend first searching for an existing debian bug and then (if there isn't one) open one or write to aes devs to either fix the bug (if it's a bug) or make the fact that the decrypted output may not match the original input because of pad handling very clear in the documentation
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08:32<Flakk>OK, will try all this, many thanks!
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08:46<Nazcafan>is there a way to set very ad hoc permissions such as, say read for user "john" ?
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08:47<jm_>Nazcafan: no
08:48<jm_>not without posix acl-s anyway
08:48<locklace>although you could fake it by using group permissions and a group for which john is the only user
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08:49<Nazcafan>posix acl?
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08:49<locklace>man acl
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09:17<johnfg>hi guys
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09:21<Nazcafan>there is something I don't get in the http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2006/n2027.html
09:21<Nazcafan>in the "Overloading on lvalue / rvalue" part
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09:22<Nazcafan>argh
09:22<hero1900>hi guys
09:22<Nazcafan>sorry, wrong chan
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09:22<hero1900>i want to create an adhoc local wireless network
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09:23<gsimmons>!adhoc
09:23<dpkg>Procedures for establishing a <WiFi> Ad-hoc network on Debian systems can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc
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09:23<hero1900>aha i already do it
09:23<codebaz_>who to speed of keyboard on kde4 ?
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09:23<hero1900>but i want to know how to share Internet
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09:29<Sir-Integra>hey, i'm getting an error when i'm running a php script, this file /var/www/gpanel/includes/smarty/templates_c/, isn't writable. So i'm doing hmod -R 777 /var/www/gpanel/includes/smarty/templates_c/ yet, it's still giving me that error, anyone have any idea?
09:29<locklace>yay for chmod -R 777
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09:30<locklace>that's a directory, not a file
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09:30<locklace>the exact error would help
09:30<locklace>if anyone really wanted to debug your php script, that is
09:31<Sir-Integra>Smartys compiled templates directory is not writable!
09:31<Sir-Integra>Execute: chmod -R 777 /var/www/gpanel/includes/smarty/templates_c/
09:32<Sir-Integra>That's the only error i'm getting, although i don't see the issue, since i've issued that command -.-;
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09:34<locklace>try running it through strace
09:36<themill>You'd have to run the entire apache server to do that though
09:36<themill>(through strace)
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09:37<locklace>well, first thing is to duplicate the problem from the commandline if you haven't already
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09:38<themill>looking in the web servers error.log can be informative here too
09:38<Sir-Integra>chmod: changing permissions of `/var/www/gpanel/includes/smarty/templates_c/%%12^12B^12B3C423%%adminindex.tpl.php': Operation not permitted
09:39<Sir-Integra>but when i login as that user and do chmod -R 777 /thatfile/
09:39<Sir-Integra>it works
09:39<prahal>hi pre-up /sbin/ip link set ath0 up in etc/network/interfaces . Is it remotely possible to pass this command wpa-psk, etc (this is a wifi interface) ... in a bridge that is
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09:41<themill>wth is smarty trying to do?
09:42<Sir-Integra>I have no idea.
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09:48<sevele>hello everyone
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09:49<Sir-Integra>command = "chmod - 777 ".$template_dir;
09:49<Sir-Integra> shell_exec( $command );
09:49<Sir-Integra> if ( is_writable( $template_dir ) )
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09:50*arw hello folks
09:52<sevele>what's the topic?
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09:54<themill>Sir-Integra: ewww that's horrendous code even for php standards. php has its own chmod internal command, no shell exec required
09:56<Sir-Integra>god knows then.
09:57<themill>I had been considering smarty for some templating... I think I just changed my mind.
09:57<locklace>no kidding
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09:59<dr|z3d>themill: If you're looking for graphical flourishes for whatever template you're looking at developing, you could do a lot worse than XaraLX.
09:59<Sir-Integra>hmmm
09:59<Sir-Integra>i even tried removing the dir templates_c and re-adding it
09:59<Sir-Integra>same damn error
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10:25<SARC>I have Debian v5 with dual nics. I have imaged the hard drive and restored it but eth0 is not found.
10:26<cahoot>not only renamed?
10:26<SARC>eth1 is detected and its settings are the same
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10:26<SARC>eth0 is not renamed, its just not there
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10:27<fcs>hi
10:27<cahoot>no eth2?
10:27<fcs>was brauche ich um unter Debian 5.0 DVDs anzuschauen!?
10:27<SARC>no eth2, no eth3...
10:27<dr|z3d>!de
10:27<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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10:29<SARC>are the mac addresses stored somewhere in the os?
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10:30<cahoot>!z25
10:30<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
10:30<dr|z3d>SARC: Try ifconfig
10:30<SARC>ifconfig shows lo and eth1
10:30<locklace>SARC: paste "ls /sys/class/net" and "lspci". did the card ever work? if so what changed? any output in dmesg about it?
10:31<dr|z3d>SARC: Without ifconfig's output you should see your mac address(es).
10:31<dr|z3d>*within
10:32<SARC>dr|z3d: ifconfig doesnt show both cards... so how can i see the mac for that card if its not even there?
10:32<SARC>locklace: i dont have internet connectivity on my linux box so what specifically am i lokoing for?
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10:33<dr|z3d>SARC: Try ifconfig -a
10:33<locklace>dr|z3d: the card isn't there
10:33<locklace>SARC: really need that info to get any further
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10:33<locklace>SARC: answering the questions so they don't have to be repeated would also be helpful
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10:34<SARC>locklace: /sys/class/net has eth0_rename
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10:35<locklace>SARC: you can just type in the output of the ls since it's short. you should also type in the lspci entries for any network cards if you can't paste that output
10:35<SARC>what is that?
10:35<cahoot>whoa
10:35<SARC>locklace: i just did
10:35<locklace>SARC: you aren't answering my questions so i'm going to give up
10:35<SARC>locklace: /sys/class/net has eth0_rename
10:35<SARC>ETH0_RENAME
10:35<SARC>is that it?!?!?!?
10:36<cahoot>SARC: might be so
10:36<SARC>why did it rename it
10:36<cahoot>SARC: hences /msg dpkg z25
10:37<SARC>cahoot: how do i See <forcedeth mac>.?
10:37<cahoot>SARC: you could simply remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and restart udev
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10:38<SARC>cahoot: what I will need to do is put this disk image on multiple devices with the exact same hardware configuration. What would you recommend doing?
10:38<locklace>SARC: last comment, look at http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6138, may or may not help
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10:39<SARC>remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules before creating the image?
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10:39<SARC>would that allow each device to reconfigure the nics when they boot after restoring the image?
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10:40<cahoot>SARC: seems plausible (from my limited experience)
10:40<SARC>ok... thank you cahoot... you have been quite helpful... locklace thanks for nothing :)
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10:44<Sir-Integra>Hey, for some reason my servers ip address keeps showing itself as .::ffff:77.93.75.143
10:44<Sir-Integra>any ideas why it would be doing that?
10:45<arw>Sir-Integra: ipv6?
10:45<Sir-Integra>hm, but that's not a valid ipv6 ip.
10:45<Sir-Integra>I only want to be using ipv4
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10:46<locklace>Sir-Integra: "showing itself" how? what context?
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10:47<Sir-Integra>Well, i mean when i'm installing php scripts that require licensing.
10:48<Sir-Integra>example: Server address did not validate properly.::ffff:77.93.75.143
10:49<locklace>Sir-Integra: that's an ipv4-mapped v6 address
10:50<locklace>Sir-Integra: do you have v6 enabled at all? "lsmod|grep v6"
10:50<Sir-Integra>gameserver:/etc/network# lsmod|grep "v6"
10:50<Sir-Integra>ipv6 235300
10:51<locklace>i have a feeling php is doing something stupid regarding retrieving and using interface address lists
10:51<Sir-Integra>has 30 at the end of that, aswell. didn't paste.
10:51<Sir-Integra>hmm
10:51<locklace>Sir-Integra: what's your network interface called, eth0 or something else?
10:51<Sir-Integra>eth0
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10:52<locklace>Sir-Integra: in "ifconfig eth0" do you see any v6 addresses besides the link-local ("fe80:...")
10:52<Sir-Integra> inet6 addr: fe80::211:85ff:fec1:b747/64 Scope:Link
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10:53<locklace>and if you do an "nslookup <your fully-qualified hostname>" do you get back the correct v4 address?
10:54<SARC>cahoot: deleting the file worked just fine
10:54<cahoot>SARC: right - it gets recreated when udev starts
10:55<Sir-Integra>I don't have a fully-qualified hostname on the server.
10:55<locklace>Sir-Integra: just the basic hostname then
10:55<Sir-Integra>gameserver:/etc/network# nslookup gameserver
10:55<Sir-Integra>Server: 77.93.72.99
10:55<Sir-Integra>Address: 77.93.72.99#53
10:55<Sir-Integra>** server can't find gameserver: NXDOMAIN
10:56<Sir-Integra>need to add it in my hosts file i'm guessing.
10:56<locklace>Sir-Integra: ok, as a workaround try removing the ipv6 module with modprobe -r and see what happens then
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10:56<Sir-Integra> modprobe -r ipv6
10:56<Sir-Integra>FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use.
10:56<locklace>what's using it? users should be reported in the "lsmod | grep v6"
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10:57<pbn>Hi there, on a *32-bit* Debian fresh install, the kernel is 2.6.26-2-amd64 ... Is this normal ? Why do I get a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit Debian install ?
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10:57<zedboy>pbn: keeps the bit bucket full. protects against bucket-underrun.
10:58<pbn>zedboy: huh ???
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10:59<Sir-Integra>lsmod grep v6
10:59<Sir-Integra>ipv6 235300 31
10:59<zedboy>pbn: is it possible your computer is really 64bit and the installer figured that out?
10:59<locklace>Sir-Integra: or it could be that you need to shut down network interfaces with assigned v6 addresses or remove the addresses or afs first with ifconfig
11:00<Sir-Integra>how would i do that? (sorry)
11:00<pbn>zedboy: well yes, the machine is 64-bit, and I've set up a dual boot betewwen 64-bit squeeze and 32-bit squeeze. I'm just surprised that on the 32-bit squeeze the kernel is 64-bit....
11:01<zedboy>pbn: maybe the installer got a little to smart for its own good
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11:02<pbn>zedboy: and there's something very weird
11:02<pbn>if I do dpkg -l | grep linux-image
11:03<pbn>I see i linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 - Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
11:03<pbn>and aptitude search linux-image-2.6.26-2
11:03<pbn>shows p linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64
11:03<sylarrr>anyoneknows what the trick that lets you install, but not to the root directory?
11:04<pbn>looks like the kernel package installed isn't a amd64 kernel, huh ?
11:04<locklace>Sir-Integra: try running "ifconfig <intf> del <v6addr>" for <intf>=lo and eth0 and <addr> the associated address as currently reported by ifconfig
11:05<zedboy>pbn: i mean, in real life grub/lilo boot what you tell them to, irrespective of what packages are installed
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11:05<locklace>Sir-Integra: if that doesn't let the modprobe -r succeed you can always try blacklisting the v6 module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and restarting
11:06<pbn>zedboy: yes, that I Know :) .... you choose the kernel you want in grub... but there's only one kernel installed...
11:06<Sir-Integra>replace <addr> with my ipv6 ip/
11:06<pbn>and it's a 64-bit one on a 32-bit install
11:06<locklace>Sir-Integra: right, like for the lo interface it will be "::1/128"
11:07<Sir-Integra>hm
11:08<zedboy>pbn: you mean in /bot
11:08<zedboy>er /boot
11:08<Sir-Integra>locklace: can you provide me with an example? sorry about this, i'm a bit slow heh.
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11:09<locklace>Sir-Integra: 'ifconfig lo del ::1/128"
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11:10<Sir-Integra>and for eth0?
11:10<Sir-Integra>ifconfig eth0 del ipv6address?
11:10<locklace>Sir-Integra: "ifconfig eth0 del fe80::211:85ff:fec1:b747/64"
11:10<Sir-Integra>that worked :)
11:11<locklace>Sir-Integra: after that an "ifconfig -a | grep inet6" should return nothing
11:11<themill>pbn: how are you verifying that there's a 64bit kernel for your 32bit installation?
11:11<Sir-Integra>correct, locklace.
11:11<locklace>Sir-Integra: ok, so does the modprobe -r ipv6 work now?
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11:12<Sir-Integra>no :/
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11:13<locklace>Sir-Integra: ok, not sure what is holding it back. first thing, try the php thing again now that those v6 addresses are gone. if that doesn't work, try the blacklist option mentioned above
11:15<Sir-Integra>Server Info: Valid: Message:
11:15<Sir-Integra>server ip OK ::ffff:77.93.75.143
11:15<Sir-Integra>still showing that on the php script ._.
11:15<Sir-Integra>could it be php or lighttpd causing that problem?
11:16<pbn>themill: with uname -a
11:16<locklace>Sir-Integra: yes, it shouldn't be interpreting your v4 address as a v4-mapped v6 address
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11:16<Sir-Integra>haha
11:16<Sir-Integra>found the issue
11:16<pbn>Linux nitro 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 04:02:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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11:16<Sir-Integra>was lighttpd. /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf -
11:16<Sir-Integra>## Use ipv6 only if available.
11:16<Sir-Integra>#include_shell "/usr/share/lighttpd/use-ipv6.pl"
11:16<Sir-Integra>i just commented that line out
11:17<Sir-Integra>then restarted, worked fine after that.
11:17<Sir-Integra>sorry for wasting your time lol.
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11:17<locklace>Sir-Integra: right, but what it was doing is still totally wrong
11:17<Sir-Integra>yup.
11:17<oladejo>bacula is giving me issue Sir -Integra
11:18<locklace>Sir-Integra: if we had succeeded in removing the v6 module it probably would have prevented that, but good you found the right config option for your httpd to disable it
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11:19<themill>pbn: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l linux-image-\* | grep ^.i ; dpkg --print-architecture"
11:19<Sir-Integra>:) thanks for your help locklace
11:19<locklace>i hate to even think what's in that .pl script
11:20<Sir-Integra>Allow up to 12 hours Monday-Friday for validation to occur.
11:20<pbn>themill: ok
11:20<Sir-Integra>oops
11:20<Sir-Integra>wrong chanel :)
11:20<Sir-Integra>yeah, i do too, locklace .
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11:23<pbn>themill: http://paste.debian.net/36709
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11:24<themill>pbn: that indicates that the only kernel you have installed is the -686 one and that dpkg is quite happily convinced that you should install i386 (i.e. -686) kernels.
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11:25<pbn>also modprobe fails when trying to enable temperature monitorin, look: modprobe coretemp
11:25<pbn>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory
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11:26<themill>pbn: yes, it would fail because the kernel that you're currently running is not installed. Did you uninstall a kernel package since booting?
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11:26<pbn>THere is /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/
11:26<pbn>but no 2.6.26-2-686-amd64 at tall
11:26<pbn>themill: ah wait, I think I know what is wrong !!!
11:26<pbn>I'm using grub
11:27<pbn>and I told grub to boot /vmlinuz
11:27<pbn>perhaps is that vmlinuz linked to the wrong kernel
11:27<themill>A misconfigured grub would seem most likely at this stage
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11:28<pbn>hmmm no it seems the vmlinuz point to the right kernels
11:28<pbn>actually I'm using the grub installed by the 64-bit squeeze
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11:29<pbn>and I've added stanzas to the /boot/grub/menu.lst
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11:29<pbn>so that it boots /vmlinuz on the 32-bit root partition
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11:30<pbn>hmm wait
11:31<pbn>maybe I've found the culprit
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11:31<sney>the kernel is there but the modules aren't o_O
11:31<sney>monolithic or just a failed install?
11:31<themill>sney: I'm guessing it's picking up the image and initrd off the wrong partition but has root pointing to the right partition
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11:33<sney>that could be it, pretty convoluted though
11:34<themill>easy enough to get boot= and root= mixed up. (but yes, slightly bizarre)
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11:42<suporte>????????/
11:42<asaleem>I have files inside directories a,b,c ....z. I want to copy all of them except hidden one to dirs of the same names
11:42<asaleem>How do I do that
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11:43<fugit>asaleem: sounds like a class question haha
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11:43<asaleem>fugit, any idea
11:44<suporte>??
11:44<suporte>!
11:44<suporte>y
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11:54<pbn>themill: problem solved, typo in /boot/grub/menu.lst ! thanks :)
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11:54<themill>np
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12:29<ed_debian>I have a module that I would like to change the nice value of when the system is booted but it has a different pid each time so how do i ensure it has the appropriate nice value?
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12:30<lion>hello
12:30<bigeasy>pidof
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12:31<cahoot>the use of the term module is bit confusing though
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12:49<ed_debian>bigeasy, Thank you!
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12:55<narayanraum>anyone here?
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12:56<sney>!ask
12:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:58<narayanraum>Hi all, have a problem with a Debian Lenny booting. The events are as follows... We have Debian Lenny, running as a virtual machine in a VMWare ESX cluster environment...
12:58<narayanraum>File system was going to Read-Only, due to a defrag/encryption of our SAN so we rebooted the Virtual Machine.
12:59<narayanraum>Upon boot, we were forced to run FSCK, which was run.
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12:59<narayanraum>No more errors. Then rebooted and got: INIT: cannot execute "/etc/init.d/rcS"
12:59<narayanraum>INIT: Entering runlevel: 2
12:59<narayanraum>INIT: cannot execute "/etc/init.d/rc"
12:59<narayanraum>Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (none) ttys/0
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13:00<narayanraum>oops
13:00<ed_debian>narayanraum, It sound to me like you need to make those files executable "/etc/init.d/rcS" etc
13:00<narayanraum>Permissions are 755 on them
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13:01<themill>Debian GNU/Linux 2.2?
13:01<narayanraum>We mounted the disk to another debian box, checked the permissions, compared to other machine, exact same.
13:01<Piet>hehehe
13:01<narayanraum>I pasted the error as it was displaying above
13:01<narayanraum>It is Debian Lenny
13:02<ed_debian>narayanraum, Maybe try logging into a different runlevel and see if it maybe is just something messed up with level2
13:02<sney>2.2 holy drap
13:02<cpb>we also check to make sure bash existed and that the link for /bin/sh existed in the
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13:02<themill>potato perhaps?
13:02<sney>I started on potato! nostalgia bomb
13:02<cpb>we tried booting into single user mode
13:03<Piet><narayanraum> It is Debian Lenny
13:03<ed_debian>cpb, And?
13:03<ed_debian>cpb, same thing?
13:03<cpb>both of us are working the problem
13:03<cpb>yep
13:03<cpb>sorry , i should have said so.
13:03<cpb>narayanraum and cpb are trying to fix the same problem
13:04<themill>and mbarnes too?
13:04<narayanraum>yes
13:04<themill>:)
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13:05<mbarnes>im just lurking sorry
13:05<themill>heh
13:05<ed_debian>mbarnes, Creepy...
13:05<mbarnes>lol
13:05<Piet>which file system is this? ext3?
13:05<cpb>ext3
13:05<cpb>yes
13:06<Piet>pastebin your fsck log
13:06<narayanraum>what is pastebin
13:06<ed_debian>mbarnes, I am running debian lenny as well (my kernel is from this century though) I don't even have an /etc/init.d/rc or an /etc/init.d/rcS
13:06<Piet>what does cat /etc/issue say?
13:06<steffan>dpkg: tell narayanraum about pastebin
13:06<narayanraum>i got kicked with flood earlier so i assume it's an irc function
13:07<ed_debian>narayanraum, pastebin is a website
13:07<narayanraum>ok, going there now, thx
13:08<Piet>are we having 3 windows admins amongst us? :)
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13:08<ed_debian>insert crickets
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13:09<themill>Is this an image that's been around for years and has slowly been upgraded over time?
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13:09<Piet>the fsck log is located in /var/log/ if this location was writable by that time
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13:09<cpb>sure
13:09<cpb>lol
13:09<dr|z3d>narayanraum: It's considered bad manners to paste more than a couple of lines into an irc channel.
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13:09<cpb>but we see the true light is debian
13:09<cpb>lol
13:10<abdessamad>hi
13:10<narayanraum>yes, i learned that after being booted... u mean it isn't fun to scan a couple thousand lines of code in here?
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13:10<narayanraum>:)
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13:10<ed_debian>themill, debian lenny (stable) is currently on kernel 2.6.26
13:10<themill>ed_debian: I know. not 2.2
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13:11<ed_debian>themill, yeah 2.2 is kind of old. It should work though
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13:11<themill>That's more likely to be the debian release number than anything else
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13:12<bja>It could be also sarge on initial set up, it came with a 2.4.24 kernel
13:12<Piet>actually what the tty prompt displays is the OS version, not the kernel version, at least thats how it is nowadays
13:13*Piet lags
13:13<themill>yep... and 2.2 was potato
13:13<bja>Long time no see potato work :(
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13:13<ed_debian>I am confused. uname -a doesn't give my kernel version?
13:13<narayanraum>Actually, it's 2.6.28, IMG from Debian web site
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13:13<themill>But ignoring that base-files doesn't seem to have updated /etc/debian-version for about 5 years, it would seem that either /etc/inittab is quirky or /bin/bash (or one of it's libraries) is missing.
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13:15<cpb>we tried replacing bin/bash form a working Debina Lenny system and verified that /bin/sh points to /bin/bash
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13:15<cpb>then rebooted and still got the rcS and rc can't execute errors
13:15<Piet>maybe it was never rebooted until now. after all it's a virtual machine
13:16<cpb>we have rebooted it before
13:16<cpb>with success
13:16<Piet>"bash --version" (without the quotes) gives what?
13:17<Piet>ah nothing, since you can't boot, ignore me
13:17<cpb>I have the drive mounted as sdb on another working Debian Leny box
13:17<cpb>thats how we are checking permissions and bash and links, etc ...
13:17<themill>Can you chroot into that environment successfully? (crude test)
13:18<cpb>we mounted all the partitions into folders that we made
13:18<cpb>we didn't try to chroot.
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13:20<cpb>what could we do that we couldn't do having the OTHER root partition mounted as /mnt/sdb1
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13:20<cpb>I'm just asking
13:20<cpb>cause I don't know
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13:21<Piet>that's a sentence i do not understand, can you rephrase?
13:22<Piet>how's the pastebin coming?
13:22<cpb>sorry, still trying to get the fsck log
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13:23<narayanraum>Let me try. We mounted the disk to a working debian lenny box, and as root on the box, what would the difference be when chrooting?
13:23<Piet>have you tried running fsck again from the system you have running now? (with those devices unmounted, of course...)
13:23<cpb>no
13:23<cpb>we haven't tried that
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13:23<Piet>you can install 'pastebinitit' on the system you have running now
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13:23<Piet>aptitude update && aptitude install pasteinit
13:23<cpb>ok, we'll snapshot it and then try running fsck on the sdb partitions
13:25<Piet>then: pastebinit /var/log/fsck/check*
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13:29<cpb>got it
13:29<cpb>thank you in advance for your help Piet
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13:31<Piet>cpb: i haven't done much yet. ;-) but it seems to me like you're far from solving this issue.
13:31<Piet>so people here might have a chance to help more.
13:34<bja>cpb: just give the url there are more people looking into your problem than you thing
13:34<bja>s/thing/think
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13:36<cpb>http://pastebin.com/d6a902e5
13:36<cpb>I ran /sbin/fsck on sdb ( the disk mounted from the system that won't boot)
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13:37<cpb>after that when I check /var/log/fsck it only had the last fsck for sda (NOT the disk from the system that won't boot)
13:38<cpb>so I pastebin'd the console output from running the fsck manually
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13:39<narayanraum>FYI, here is the original error we had: http://pastebin.com/d561bd75b
13:40<cpb>we have 1. checked permissions ( yes they are executable - 755)
13:41<cpb>We have 2. replaced /bin/bash with a known good version from an identical Debian Lenny system
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13:41<cpb>we have 3. verified that the link /bin/sh doe indeed point to /bin/bash
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13:42<cpb>we have 4. checked rc and rcS and the are real files that have text in them
13:42<bja>narayanraum: have you done a simple "cat /etc/init.d/rcS"
13:43<cpb>it contains a shebang and the line something like exec /etc/init.d/rc S
13:43<narayanraum>yes, I'll pastebin it right now
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13:46<Piet>you want to run fsck with the -f option (after making sure the devices ar enot mounted)
13:46<narayanraum>http://pastebin.com/d1a33720e
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13:46<Piet>other than that, no file system check will take place since all FS are marked as clean
13:46<cpb>got it
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13:46<cpb>ok will run fsck -f
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13:46<cpb>thanks
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13:49<cpb>not looking good
13:49<cpb>http://pastebin.com/m53038745
13:49<cpb>I stopped here
13:50<locklace>cpb: what's the problem
13:50<mbarnes>i say fix the errors
13:50<mbarnes>select y
13:50<Piet>well, it's just one off, could be worse
13:50<narayanraum>when in doubt, click yes
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13:50<Piet>make sure you have copies before you process
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13:51<Piet>proceed
13:51<cpb>ok
13:51<mbarnes>piet is wise
13:51<cpb>hitting Y
13:51<cpb>we have a snapshot
13:51<Piet>you can run 'dd' on those images quickly before you fsck
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13:51<mbarnes>too late
13:51<mbarnes>fixed
13:51<mbarnes>fsck -f runing clean now
13:52<mbarnes>captain shortcut strikes again!!!
13:52<Piet>and that snapshot allows you to fully recover its current state, right?
13:52<Piet>hehe ok
13:52<cpb>hopefully :) it is vmware
13:52<cpb>where snapshots are snapshots and admins are nervous
13:52<narayanraum>VMWare - Virtualize your systems so they can virtually disappear
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13:53<mbarnes>where ext3 is really vmfs
13:53<narayanraum>sdb5 passed
13:53<Piet>vm? where?
13:53<mbarnes>lol
13:53<narayanraum>nice
13:53<cpb>lol, it took me a second
13:53<mbarnes>everyone here rolling
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13:54<cpb>i"m still wrapping my mind around that fact that all the servers coudl just go POOF
13:54<cpb>virtually, lol
13:55<Piet>well something can always break, right?
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13:56<cpb>sdb6 not looking healthy either
13:56<cpb>http://pastebin.com/d6f10dc67
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13:59<cpb>its running through now and trying to resolve blocks claimed by more than one inode
13:59<Piet>you can invoke e2fsck with -y instead if your forefinger is turning red
13:59<cpb>Clone multiply-claimed blocks<y>?
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14:00<Piet>you can always roll back, so yes to all
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14:00<cpb>http://pastebin.com/d52c9469e
14:00<cpb>ok
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14:00<cpb>got it
14:00<Piet>(at least we think so now ;-) )
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14:01<Piet>this one's just a backup copy of a mailman mailing list configuration, so this is non-critical
14:01<cpb>I meant I will keep pressing Y
14:01<cpb>lol
14:02<Piet>:)
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14:02<narayanraum>6 Clean, 8 Clean
14:02<narayanraum>doing 9 now
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14:02<sge_>hello
14:03<narayanraum>hi sge
14:03<Piet>anyone knows why forge.ctrip.ufl.edu is down? ;-)
14:03<sge_>anyone try to install ion3 on minimal debian?
14:03<narayanraum>what, the forge is down???
14:03<cpb>can't think of a reason ;)
14:03<narayanraum>dammit
14:03<locklace>!tell sge_ about ask
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14:04<bja>sge_: On full install and no problem
14:04<sge_>you install from source?
14:04<bja>sge_: Debian package
14:05<sge_>apt-get install ion3?
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14:05<bja>sge_: Not the stable version of ion3, but it usually runs with no problems
14:06<bja>sge_: check your repos, it is in the non-free area
14:06<bja>sge_: I use aptitude
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14:06<cpb>ok Piet
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14:06<cpb>all now sdb partitons pass
14:06<sge_>can you tell in what rep ion3?
14:06<cpb>we will remount to original VM and try booting
14:07<cpb>crossing fingers.
14:08<sge_>thx bja
14:08<Piet>cpb: alright, good luck
14:08<bja>sge_: np
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14:11<narayanraum>http://pastebin.com/d6f048865
14:11<narayanraum>Piet: http://pastebin.com/d6f048865
14:12<cpb>Piet: no luck :(
14:12<narayanraum>No luck
14:12<Piet>hmm not looking much better
14:13<locklace>what is this, some kind of public ufl disk corruption circle fsck
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14:14<bja>sorry
14:14<Piet>this boot sequence is the shortest i've ever seen
14:14<narayanraum>locklace: can you explain what you're asking?
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14:16<andrew>hey all
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14:17<andrew>i was having this weird error where i would get disconnected from my wired network with debian lenny
14:17<Piet>i think you have two options at this point: (1) backup all relevant data, reinstall a clean system, restore data; (2) chroot into the system, make sure everything neccessary is installed, mkinitrd, grub-install, unmount -a, reboot
14:17<andrew>really?
14:17<Piet>andrew: i wasn't responding to you there
14:17<andrew>oh
14:17<andrew>heh
14:17<mbarnes>i agree piet i like option 1
14:18<bja>narayanraum: On your boot screen, edit and erase the quiet option so there is more to the problem
14:18<narayanraum>ok
14:18<andrew>anyhow, i was getting the same error with ubuntu 9.04
14:18<Piet>mbarnes: my impression is you have a mixture of a debian version which is ~ 7 releases ago and a current one, which is not exactly a well-defined situation.
14:19<andrew>every few minutes i get disconnected
14:19<Piet>mbarnes: so personally i'd opt for (1), too
14:19<andrew>i was thinking it might be a bad cable
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14:20<bja>Piet: #1 is the smart way, #2 is the fun one, since it is a virtual machine, doing that should have been done on the first place, I though this was just a recovery exercise :(
14:20<narayanraum>Hey, that error I pasted was from someone who pasted it in a web site.
14:20<narayanraum>I didn't want to retype, sorry
14:21<narayanraum>Since we're operating in VMWare, cannot copy the text and paste
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14:21<mbarnes>2 is the stubborn way lol but also forces us to learn more...
14:22<cpb>we wanted to see if we could recover it and understand this better
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14:22<narayanraum>Signing off for now, thanks for your help Piet!
14:22<cpb>yep, restore/rebuild it is , thanks Piet
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14:23<bja>I get the feeling that someone just played with the interest of the channel, although I might be wrong :(
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14:25<mbarnes>they both had to go to meetings and left me with the bag .....
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14:26<narayanraum>bja: The guy who offered the most help suggested rebuilding the system. Yeah, I'll be back not only to request help, but offer it.
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14:27<mbarnes>Piet and all thanks for your assistance
14:28<Piet>you're welcome
14:30<Piet>unless you were just testing the support quality of this channel. but my impression is you did not.
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14:33<Piet>i guess we scared andrew away
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14:33<sge_>what different among apt-get and aptitute
14:33<sge_>?
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14:37<Piet>sge_: http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/
14:38<Piet>this is really a topic which wars could be fought on, and have.
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14:39<ml|>dpkg: tell sge_ about aptitude
14:39<ml|>dpkg: tell sge_ about why aptitude
14:40<ShArkY_>lol
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14:40<bja>ml|: is sge_ still trying to install ion3?
14:40<sge_>yes
14:41<ml|>oh
14:41<ml|>didn't know
14:41<ml|>sge_: use aptitude ;)
14:41<bja>Never mind, got pissed, took a walk
14:41<ml|>bja: oh, wb
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14:42<ootput>sge_: what is your question?
14:42<bja>ml|: thx
14:42<ml|>np :)
14:42<ootput>sge_: you might want to ask in #ion
14:42<ootput>there are a few debian users there (myself included)
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14:43<bja>sge_: add this to your sources.list deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
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14:43<bja>sge_: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free"
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14:43<ml|>sge_: read messages from dpkg
14:44<bja>sge_: type on a console with root access aptitude
14:44<bja>type u (update) then / (serch) ion3 and it should appear in the non-free section
14:45<ml|>dpkg: tell sge_ about grounding
14:45<bja>I need to reboot this machine, guess I'll have a longer walk cya
14:45<ml|>bye
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14:53<achigoda>test (don't know anything about irc)
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14:53<locklace>!test
14:53<dpkg>Test Failed.
14:53<ml|>lol
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14:54<achigoda>:)
14:54<ml|>dpkg: tell achigoda about irc
14:54<ml|>achigoda: read message from dpkg
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14:55<achigoda>hi guys, I have a really old programm (just compiled without source) I needs glibc2.0 (around 1998) is there painless way to install this library? (tried to compile from sources -- failed, may be wants old gcc)
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14:56<Yonut27>I created a symbolic link on my desktop, and I can use the link from the command link. But there is no linking icon on my desktop. How do I get it to appear?
14:56<locklace>achigoda: that shouldn't happen
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14:57<Yonut27>command line *
14:57<locklace>achigoda: any reasonable program deals with the c library from a standard c point of view, it shouldn't have glibc-specific dependencies and certainly not dependencies on specific versions of glibc
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14:58<locklace>!tell Yonut27 about how to ask
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14:58<achigoda>./ising: relocation error: ./ising: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
14:59<ml|>Yonut27: create a shortcut with your de
14:59<Yonut27>de?
14:59<locklace>achigoda: the link error is not relevant, what's the problem with compiling it against current libc
15:00<ml|>desktop environment
15:00<Yonut27>I was just curious, cause I did the same thing yesterday, and an icon appear (with using the command line to create link)
15:00<achigoda>the thing is that it WAS already compiled with the old libc, and I don't have sources
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15:01<locklace>achigoda: ok, that's bad
15:01<locklace>achigoda: suggest you try to obtain the sources
15:01<Yonut27>this is on Lenny 2.6.26-2-686
15:02<achigoda>no way... program was written by some physicist long time ago
15:02<locklace>achigoda: as a rule you can't expect ancient binaries to work with a current os
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15:03<achigoda>so I can't just install an OLD library (new the current) to make the programm work?
15:03<achigoda>*new -> near
15:03<locklace>achigoda: you might be able to but it's going to be a royal pain in this case because it's libc
15:04<locklace>there are layers and layers of brain-damage here
15:04<achigoda>ok... thanks
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15:06<locklace>if you really want to go down that road, you're going to have to get the source for the old libc and build it yourself (that will be an exercise in pure, intensive and unadulterated fun); then you're going to have to arrange to install that in a non-system-standard location, and then you can frob your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to make your binary use that libc instead of the current one
15:06<Yonut27>I can't find out what you mean by use the DE.
15:06<ml|>Yonut27: do you use gnome?
15:06<Yonut27>yes
15:06<ml|>that's your de
15:06<Yonut27>right, but how to you create a symbolic link with the gui
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15:08<ml|>Yonut27: i don'y use gnome, but should the same as any shortcut on your desktop
15:08<Yonut27>lol, the only shortcut on my desktop is one I created with the ln -s command
15:08<Yonut27>but it didn't do it this time
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15:11<Yonut27>ok the only way I found was to create the link in my home directory, and then use the file system gui to cut and paste it to my Desktop.
15:11<Yonut27>but this seems kinda strange for such 'powerful OS' like Linux.
15:11<locklace>hehe, you're funny
15:12<Yonut27>well then please tell me what I am doing wrong?
15:12<ml|>gnome has a way to create shortcuts, i just don't know
15:12<Yonut27>or is there a way to refresh to desktop without logging the user out?
15:12<locklace>if a gnome user doesn't show up presently, try asking in a gnome channel instead
15:13<dr|z3d>Yonut27: You could reinitialize the desktop module.
15:13<ml|>dpkg: tell Yonut27 about gnome
15:14<jimcooncat>Yonut27: http://linux.about.com/library/gnome/blgnome6n6l.htm
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15:14<Yonut27>ty jimcooncat
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15:15<jimcooncat>Yonut27: basically ctrl-shift-drag
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15:18<jimcooncat>Yonut27: more stuff from Help in Nautilus -> Working With Files -> Managing Your Files and Folders.
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15:41<_55old>my graphics card doesnt have a vga output jack. can i buy an adapter?
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15:43<petemc>_55old: google for <whatever your graphics card has> to vga
15:43<petemc>the answer will undoubtedly be yes
15:43<_55old>dvi male to vga female
15:43<_55old>the $hack?
15:44<ml|>it should had come with one in the box
15:44<petemc>what?
15:45<ml|>he means radio shack
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15:45<ml|>i guess heh
15:45<petemc>there are no radio shacks in the majority of the world
15:45<petemc>but sure, why not
15:46<petern>poor ol' tandy
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15:47<petemc>i have fond memories of tandy myself
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15:50<kleptog>Hi, I've got a PDF that crashes evince and was looking to make a nice stack trace but can't find any detached debug symbols. Are they downloadable somewhere or do I need to rebuild the package myself?
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15:51<petemc>kleptog: there should be a foo-dbg package
15:51<jackyf>kleptog: evince-dbg
15:52<kleptog>jackyf: does that contain the symbol for libpoppler also?
15:52<kleptog>no metter, i'll try it
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15:57<kleptog>apparently not, but it's better, thanks
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15:58<dimedo>hi, how can i add a self-signed x509 cert to be globally trusted by my system?
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15:59<ed_debian>I am trying to run a short script that renices a process for me. the script looks like this...
15:59<ed_debian>1 #!/bin/bash
16:00<ed_debian>2 pid = pidof b43
16:00<ed_debian>5 renice 0 $pid
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16:00<cahoot>why would b43 own a pid?
16:01<ed_debian>cahoot, idk, it is my driver for my wireless card? It def does
16:01<ed_debian>pidof b43 returns 1827
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16:02<locklace>it's wrong in many ways
16:02<ed_debian>locklace, lol alright help me out
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16:02<locklace>try the one-liner "renice 0 `pidof b43`" instead
16:02<jimcooncat>"there are no radio shacks in the majority of the world" -- thank god
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16:03<ed_debian>locklace, I will do that but humor me. What is wrong with my variable pid?
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16:03<locklace>first make it work
16:03<ed_debian>locklace, ok hang on a sec
16:04<ed_debian>renice: pidof b43: bad value
16:04<cahoot>ed_debian: I might be totally confuced here but on my laptop using b43 it certainly seems to lack a pid
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16:04<locklace>ed_debian: you didn't transcribe the line faithfully
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16:05<ed_debian>cahoot, I have no idea. I am using wireless right now (to talk on this channel for example) and like I said before pidof b43 returns 1827
16:06<ed_debian>locklace, renice 0 'pidof b43'
16:06<ed_debian>is exactly what I have in there
16:06<locklace>that isn't what i wrote
16:06<asaleem>I am using ssh passwordless authentication as root. I want to use same keys for another user so that can login without password
16:07<asaleem>I copied both private/pub keys to .ssh/ inside that user home dir
16:07<ed_debian>locklace, Are those backticks and not single quotes? Bare with me but what is the difference?
16:07<asaleem>but it does not work
16:07<cahoot>asaleem: why not create a keypair for user?
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16:07<ed_debian>locklace, They are backticks! Sorry about that, I feel like and idiot
16:08<asaleem>cahoot, I will have to copy that pub key to 40 servers
16:08<asaleem>cahoot, In fact, I want to use clusterssh which root cannot use
16:08<ml|>asaleem: only give out your public key never private
16:08<ed_debian>so now I am getting the old "Operation not permitted" error but that's becuase I'm not root. I am going to make this a startup script for runlevel two and when the system is booting this script will be ran as root correct?
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16:09<asaleem>ml|, both users are me, myself
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16:09<ml|>ok, but still you only need public key
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16:10<hannes_>Hey i get the following error insserv -r pcmciautils
16:10<hannes_>insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (S) of script `pcmciautils' overwrites defaults (empty).
16:10<hannes_> How to get rid of this?
16:10<ed_debian>locklace, Thank you locklace. I will google variables in bash. I thought I had it right but apparently not
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16:10<asaleem>ml|, you mean I copied it from old user's .ssh/ to new user's .ssh
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16:10<hannes_>Does anyone knows the source. I'm using debian sid
16:10<hannes_>aka sidux
16:10<ml|>less change of your private key getting out
16:10<ml|>asaleem: ?
16:11<bja>asaleem: Don't forget to change owner, and take a look at the permissions
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16:11<asaleem>bja, I did that
16:11<hannes_>I found a page http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/fdd32d4614c7b661/37eb71ea27558b5b?lnk=raot where deleting a symlink was proposed. But i am not sure where and which one
16:12<locklace>ed_debian: the unix world will love you if you read and use sh instead of bash.
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16:12<hannes_>no one?
16:12<locklace>ed_debian: lots of introductions out there to complement the man page, here's a random one: http://ooblick.com/text/sh/
16:13<ml|>dpkg: tell hannes_ about sidux
16:13<cahoot>ed_debian: what wifi trouble are you really trying to solve?
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16:14<hannes_>ml|: thanx very helpful
16:14<ed_debian>locklace, I thought that "sh" simply referred to "the shell" bash is the de facto shell and that there were other but nobody used them. "sh" was just short for "the shell on your system"
16:14<ml|>np
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16:15<locklace>ed_debian: no, sh is the bourne shell
16:15<ed_debian>cahoot, Well my b43 process had a nice value of -5 and my Xorg only has a nice value of -1 so anytime I would load a website (or use the network at all) the desktop (mouse in particular) would appear sluggish
16:16<ed_debian>locklace, I thought bash was the bourne again shell hense the name BAsh
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16:16<ed_debian>hence*
16:16<locklace>ed_debian: the fact that it may be linked to bash on your system since it can serve as a bourne-compatible shell is neither here nor there
16:16<cahoot>ed_debian: simply renicing X wouldn't be an option?
16:17<locklace>ed_debian: the point is to always write your shell scripts in terms of the posix bourne shell
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16:17<cahoot>ed_debian: or even simpler nice it -5 from invocation?
16:17<ed_debian>locklace, I will google this instead of waste your time making you teach me. Obviously there is a lot to learn (I am excited for a summer project anyway). Thank you again for you help locklace.
16:18<locklace>ed_debian: just see the above link i gave you, it's a very nice bourne shell scripting tutorial, much better than all the bash linux junk that you'll stumble onto otherwise
16:18<ed_debian>locklace, Ok thank you :)
16:18<locklace>ed_debian: and when you get a chance, "aptitude install dash" and "dpkg-reconfigure dash" to make it your default /bin/sh
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16:19<ed_debian>cahoot, I renice X from invocation. I didn't know you could do that with any process! I didn't want to renice X again though becuase it wasn't the problem. No other real reason. This seemed like more of a challange
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16:20<locklace>ed_debian: this is all history. the original bourne shell /bin/sh is the standard shell language for unix scripts. many other shells came along afterward, including ones like ksh and later zsh and bash that added features while preserving bourne shell compatibility
16:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 421] by debhelper
16:21<cahoot>ed_debian: you can simply set 'nice_value=-5' in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
16:22<locklace>ed_debian: the bourne shell is now a posix standard and works on all platforms as long as you stick to the standard language. linux people have had a really bad habit of polluting the world with bash-specific scripts that fail everywhere but the system they were written on
16:22<ed_debian>cahoot, Yeah. I know. I already do that. (except -1). How do I set b43's nice from inception?
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16:23<bremner>locklace: true, but aren't there a few packages that fail with dash still?
16:23<cahoot>ed_debian: I still have difficulty believing you can give a kernel module a nice value
16:23<locklace>bremner: broken ones, yes
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16:24<ed_debian>cahoot, ? idk what to tell you. I am currently doing it? It works too.
16:24<bremner>locklace: I agree, but I'm wondering about the advice to make dash the default shell. I kindof "unstable user" suggestion...
16:24<ed_debian>locklace, So when I open a terminal I am opening a bash shell?
16:24<locklace>bremner: i haven't seen any actual system problems with it.
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16:25<ml|>ed_debian: right
16:25<locklace>bremner: there is a list someone is keeping somewhere of all the stuff that's known to be broken in that way
16:25<locklace>ed_debian: it will be whatever shell is specified as the shell for your user in /etc/passwd
16:25<locklace>ed_debian: that defaults to bash on debian, but you can make it anything you want
16:25<ed_debian>locklace, ic
16:26<ml|>locklace: better answer :)
16:26<ed_debian>locklace, Thank you for all of your help
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16:26<ml|>!beer locklace
16:26*dpkg pours a litre of Delirium Tremens for locklace
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16:26<seanius>mm... tremens...
16:26<locklace>if i've saved one soul from falling into the trap of bash-specific scripting, then my work here is done
16:27<ml|>locklace: hehe, good work!
16:27<locklace>ed_debian: btw, while the bourne shell language and #!/bin/sh should be used for all system scripts, i highly recommend zsh for an interactive shell. much better than bash
16:28<ed_debian>locklace, Why does debian use the bourne again shell instead of the bourne shell like you are suggesting I do?
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16:29<locklace>ed_debian: nothing wrong with using bash as the default user shell, and most debian scripts correctly use #!/bin/sh and the bourne shell language.
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16:29<ed_debian>locklace, So bourne scripts will work on a windows machine?
16:29<locklace>ed_debian: there are some packages that screw up by implicitly assuming "/bin/sh" is bash and relying on bashisms, but those are considered broken and are on the "must fix" list mentioned above
16:30<ed_debian>locklace, OOOhhh IC
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16:30<ml|>locklace: being using for a bit now zsh ang it is better, thanks for suggestion before
16:30<eagle_cn>I don't think that's a good to write #!/bin/sh in a script with bash specific syntax
16:30<locklace>ed_debian: if you set up a posix environment within windows like cygwin, then yes, you can run sh scripts in it
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16:30<locklace>eagle_cn: no, it's completely fucking stupid
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16:31<eagle_cn>I have met with the problem when I still used etch. I write #!/bin/bash all the time:)
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16:32<locklace>eagle_cn: it would be better to not even write bash scripts at all ;)
16:32<eagle_cn>For the compatibility?
16:32<locklace>ed_debian: a good reason not to use bash as /bin/sh (as the current default is set up) is that bash is big and slow since it's designed as an interactive shell with a ton of features
16:32<locklace>ed_debian: hence the suggestion to replace it with dash above
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16:33<locklace>eagle_cn: well it depends on the problem you're trying to solve, but in a nutshell: (1) if you're trying to write a portable shell script then you must use posix sh; (2) if on the other hand you're writing something personal, there are *much* better languages to do it in than bash
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16:34<ed_debian>locklace, So the problem is that many linux users don't know that sh simply means shell and that it is a shortcut to whatever shell is on there system. They think it is bash because by default it is. They then write only bash scripts and if you took their script and tried to run it on a machine that didn't use bash by default it would not run. Bottom line I need to be aware of alternative shells and their syntax and the meaning of /bin/s
16:34<ed_debian>h?
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16:34<locklace>even perl is orders of magnitude better, and it's even a de facto unix standard these days (version issues aside)
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16:35<locklace>ed_debian: yes, all correct except the bit about "sh simply means shell and that it is a shortcut": sh means something very specific and there is an honest-to-god Bourne shell, the original unix /bin/sh program and the ancestor of all other shells
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16:36<dondelelcaro>in modern systems, /bin/sh needs to be a posix-compliant shell
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16:36<ed_debian>#!/bin/sh points to a shell defined in /etc/passwd /bin/sh is a shell
16:36<ed_debian>?
16:36<dondelelcaro>ed_debian: no, it's just a symlink to whatever the default shell is
16:36<dondelelcaro>ed_debian: usually bash or dash, but sometimes something else
16:37<locklace>ed_debian: no, #!/bin/sh means "execute this file by passing it to the program /bin/sh". the shell listed in a user's /etc/passwd entry is unrelated
16:37<locklace>dondelelcaro: on debian. in general it certainlyl need not be a symlink.
16:38<dondelelcaro>(on a Debian system, /bin/sh is required by policy to be posix compliant shell which implements specific extensions in addition to what posix requires)
16:38<dondelelcaro>locklace: sure... but having multiple copies of the default shell is kind of silly
16:38<eagle_cn>Why debian changes default shell from dash to bash?
16:38<dondelelcaro>eagle_cn: the default shell has been bash for forever
16:38<locklace>dondelelcaro: right, but that situation only arises on systems where sh is implemented by something else.
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16:39<eagle_cn>I remember that in etch /bin/sh is dash by default
16:39<locklace>my point above was that on many unix systems /bin/sh really is its own program, it's not bash or ksh or something else
16:39<dondelelcaro>eagle_cn: you misremember
16:39<dondelelcaro>stone-age unix systems...
16:39<dondelelcaro>(which probably don't even have perl 5...)
16:40<locklace>dondelelcaro: hardly
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16:40<ed_debian>locklace, The whole discussion before was to point out that bash and sh are not the same thing!!!
16:40<Supaplex>eagle_cn: since when was it dash by default? it's always been bash on my machines.
16:40<ed_debian>locklace, I finally understand lol
16:40<dondelelcaro>eagle_cn: dash is the default in ubuntu; Debian will likely switch to having dash be the default, but there are still a few scripts which have bashisms
16:40<ed_debian>locklace, I feel so smart
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16:41<dondelelcaro>locklace: bronze age, then?
16:41<locklace>hehe
16:41<Supaplex>ed_debian: dpkg is getting nervous. you can stop rubbing up against her now.
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16:41<ml|>lol
16:41<eagle_cn>Supaplex: I remember that when I installed the etch when it was still "stable" /bin/sh actually was dash
16:42<locklace>-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 95488 Oct 18 2006 /sbin/sh
16:42<locklace>that's the sh on a solaris 10 system
16:42<Supaplex>eagle_cn: humm.. okay.
16:42<locklace>ksh and bash are much bigger
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16:42<eagle_cn>I installed some software on my etch machine whose configure script was bash specific with #!/bin/sh in it.
16:42<Supaplex>locklace: I love how arrow keys mess up the input on that shell.
16:43<ed_debian>Supaplex, Pardon my ignorance but what do you mean? I know that dpkg is a bot.
16:43<locklace>Supaplex: arrow keys? what arrow keys? ;)
16:43<Supaplex>ed_debian: why you "feel" so smart. dpkg is smart.
16:43<dondelelcaro>eagle_cn: nope; see http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch&searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fsh
16:43<Supaplex>locklace: uh via telnet of course :)
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16:43<locklace>i'm just glad i can still kill lines in it with ^u
16:44<Supaplex>yuppers
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16:44<dondelelcaro>it's afraid of gnu readline
16:44<ed_debian>Supaplex, I am def not as smart as the bot tell her (it?) not to worry
16:44<Supaplex>dpkg: gender
16:44<dpkg>I'm male
16:44<ml|>haha
16:44<Supaplex>dpkg: gender
16:44<Supaplex>oops. too fast.
16:44<bja>dpkg: sex
16:44<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep
16:45<dondelelcaro>folks, if you need to abuse the bot, do it in /msg
16:45<ed_debian>MSG dpkg
16:45<ml|>16:45:34 <dpkg> I'm gay, lol
16:46<bja>dondelelcaro: Sorry, I really don't know who programmed the bot, but i needed a good laugh
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16:46<dondelelcaro>bja: np; just use /msg in the future
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16:46<ed_debian><dpkg> I'm hermaphroditic
16:47<ml|>swa that too, hehe
16:47<cahoot>the factoid seems to include some redundancy wrt preventive measures
16:47<ml|>*saw
16:47<dondelelcaro>!literal gender
16:47<dpkg>"gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)"
16:47*dondelelcaro forstalls any additional pasting of results
16:47<ed_debian>pregnant is a gender?
16:48<ml|>lol
16:48<ed_debian>dondelelcaro, is grumpy
16:48<eagle_cn>pregnant is a status
16:48<eagle_cn>:)
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16:49<bja>I always though it was a downpayment before all your monthly payments?
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16:50<ed_debian>Unfortunately there probably aren't any girls here to ask.
16:50<ml|>:O
16:50<eagle_cn>ask what?:O
16:50<bja>xD
16:51<ed_debian>eagle_cn, Why dpkg thinks that pregnant is a gender
16:51<bja>Does Debian have support for ZFS?
16:51<dr|z3d>Unlikely.
16:51<locklace>the filesystem?
16:52<dr|z3d>ZFS isn't licensed compatibly.
16:52<locklace>the right question is "does the linux kernel have support for it" and the answer is no
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16:52<locklace>hence btrfs
16:52<locklace>!btrfs
16:52<dpkg>it has been said that btrfs is a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL, see http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org, not ready for production use. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.29 and later.
16:53<bja>locklace: Yes
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16:54<bja>locklace, dr|z3d thx
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16:55<dr|z3d>Since Oracle now technically own ZFS, we might see a change of license there. Possibly. Don't hold your breath though!
16:55<ed_debian>dr|z3d, I heard they are thinking about porting it to linux. They were nervous they would offend us though because we worked so hard on btrfs
16:56<ed_debian>not that I actually had a helping hand or anything I just ment us as the linux community
16:57<bja>Don't think so. There are a lot of fs for linux, one more wouldn't hurt. The right tool for the right job. Or am I plainly wrong?
16:57<jeremiah>I've heard btrfs is better, but that may be hype.
16:57<ed_debian>http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/
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16:59<locklace>jeremiah: it's definitely better at corruption
16:59<jeremiah>heh
16:59<ed_debian>locklace, Someone needs to brave that front
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16:59<jimcooncat>when it comes to filesystems, I stay away from things that haven't been tested over years. btrfs and zfs-on-linux are interesting, but not for me
16:59<locklace>yep, thank god you're here to step into the breach
17:00<jeremiah>Into the breach!
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17:01<dr|z3d>ed_debian: Porting for Linux? Have they resolved licensing issues then?
17:02-!-xavinsky [~xavinsky@201.160.100.199.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #debian
17:02<dr|z3d>Ah, just spotted the link. *click*
17:04<ed_debian>dr|z3d, idk?
17:04<ed_debian>dr|z3d, I think licensing issues are more an issue for distributions than the actual linux kernel
17:06<dr|z3d>ed_debian: "Unfortunately, ZFS source is distributed under Sun's CDDL license which is (some say deliberatly) incompatible with the GPL license that Linux kernel uses."
17:07<dr|z3d>http://www.linuxinsight.com/zfs_filesystem_for_linux.html
17:07<ed_debian>dr|z3d, Well that answers that.
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17:08<dr|z3d>"Thanks to relieved FUSE licensing, which allows dynamically linking with it without any restrictions, it looks like it's possible to port ZFS to FUSE without any licensing problems."
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17:12<bja>Has anyone used ext4 fs on linux If so, Is there a significant perfomance difference?
17:12<bja>with ext3 or reiserfs?
17:13<dr|z3d>bja: ext4 does come with significant performance advantages, at some cost, currently.
17:13<dr|z3d>There are issues with dataloss that are currently being addressed.. best to leave ext4 for a while, I think.
17:14<locklace>bja: it's great at corruption too
17:14<fanti>hello! in kde3, i've used a font called "Fixed [Misc]", which refers to /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/7x14.pcf.gz. i like to use that font on my new installed notebook in kde4 again. the file exists, but kde doesn't know that font.
17:14<dr|z3d>When Ubuntu ship ext4 by default, you'll know it's ready.
17:14<bja>I've heard marvelous things about ext4 but not on any production server or hi traffic site.
17:14<soultcer>dr|z3d: When Ubuntu ships anything you know it isn't ready!
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17:14*dr|z3d laughs.
17:14<locklace>fanti: what does "xlsfonts | grep 7x14" return
17:14<bja>Guess new server will have to stick to ext3 or reiserfs
17:15<dr|z3d>Best to stick to ext3.
17:15<locklace>reiserfs is also pretty good at corruption
17:15<dr|z3d>ReiserFS is slowly going obsolete.
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17:15<soultcer>I always see debates about ReiserFS and ext3/4, but why does nobody ever mention xfs? It's a lot faster and reliable than xfs.
17:16<dr|z3d>(When the lead dev gets a life sentence for murdering his wife, you know that somehow ResierFS isn't going to flourish).
17:16<soultcer>s/than xfs/than ext3/
17:16*bja increases backup frequency on various servers
17:16<fanti>locklace: it just returns 7x14, 7x14 bold (three times)
17:16<locklace>soultcer: for what median file size
17:16<bja>dr|z3d: I believe that someone else took the project and is working hard on it.
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17:17<locklace>soultcer: ok, so does "xterm -fn 7x14" give you the font you want
17:17<locklace>oops
17:17<Supaplex>soultcer: how do you figure?
17:17<soultcer>locklace: The bigger the better. ReiserFS is still very good for smaller files.
17:17<locklace>fanti: ok, so does "xterm -fn 7x14" give you the font you want
17:17<fanti>i worked the last 4 years with that font in vim on konsole. i like to have it again in kde4
17:17<fanti>locklace: ah, yes. xterm works with that font
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17:18<locklace>soultcer: right, so in the absence of a size distribution skewed toward the large end it doesn't offer any particular advantage that i know of
17:18<fanti>locklace: but i've no option to select that font in konsole
17:18<soultcer>Supaplex: Real life experience. ext3 becomes slow as crap over time, and is unfortunately prone to fragmentation too. Also, it isn't 64 bit so it has many limitations.
17:18<locklace>fanti: does konsole except the -fn argument (i've never used it)
17:18<locklace>fanti: accept. jesus, i'm gone
17:18<Supaplex>locklace: you mean accept
17:18<Supaplex>hah. :)
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17:19<locklace>!lart Supaplex
17:19*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on Supaplex
17:19<Supaplex>don't worry. plenty of us here to be your ECC :)
17:19<locklace>ouch
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17:19<locklace>!lart locklace
17:19*dpkg frags locklace with his BFG9000
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17:19<fanti>locklace: no, konsole doesn't know that argument -fn
17:19<locklace>fanti: anything in "man konsole" about font options
17:19<Supaplex>wahou! violice is like xml. you have to use a lot of it :)
17:20<locklace>violice? some kind of musical insect
17:20<fanti>locklace: hmm there is no manpage for konsole. and konsole --help doesn't say anything about fonts
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17:21<Supaplex>yes. lots of angry insects. how'd you know? ;)
17:21<locklace>fanti: ok, you'll have to ask some kde person what kind of unique black magic is required to make konsole use fonts that everyone else can trivially see
17:21<fanti>locklace: hehe, i will. thank you so far
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17:21<paggas>hi, could someone please explain how to mount http files with avfs? the description says it is sypported, but i cannot find out how to actually do it! thanks in advance
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17:24<dr|z3d>ed_debian: Of interest, perhaps? http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/category/unix/solaris/
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17:28<Supaplex>paggas: any docs via dpkg -L <package> ?
17:29<paggas>Supaplex: anyway, i found out :) i was expecting to find it in the manpages or the --help output, it was in the README afterall
17:29<olli32>hey guys, is it true the debian's channels are to be gradually moving over here from freenode for good?
17:30<petemc> no
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17:30<Supaplex>nevar!
17:30<olli32>oh, why in 2 networks then
17:30-!-paratux [~user@62-47-27-183.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #debian
17:30<olli32>just curious
17:30<petemc>!why oftc
17:30<petemc>hmmm
17:31<petemc>!oftc move
17:31<dpkg>well, oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
17:31<Supaplex>because we were going to take over efnet next, but decided two was enough. ;)
17:31<olli32>i mean this is a better network?
17:31<petemc>in terms of functionality, theres not much in it
17:32<locklace>who'd want efnet
17:32<petemc>efnet #debian was awful when i idled in 5 or 6 years ago
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17:33<olli32>oh i see that the DPL implied that 1) more debian devs lurk in here 2) this is an SPI affiliate
17:34<olli32>so it is a commodity / bureaucracy thing?
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17:42<locklace>cool zsh trick of the day: appending ":h", ":t", ":r" to a variable that represents a pathname selects respectively the dirname component ("head"), the filename component ("tail"), or the pathname minus the file extension, if any
17:42<locklace>example: ls -l /usr/local/src/linux-2.6/Makefile; cd $!:h # now in /usr/local/src/linux-2.6
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18:02<locklace>tar xjf my-absurdly-named-package-4.17.2.tar.bz2 && cd !#:2:r:r
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18:05<ml|>locklace: mind explaining last command
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18:06<locklace>!# refers to "the current commandline up to this point". :2 selects the second word, :r twice removes the .bz2 and then the .tar extensions
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18:07<locklace>hit tab and it will expand inline. try it verbatim, you don't even have to enter the command
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18:15<bja>Does any one knows of a HOW TO to set up X11 connections among a secure net?
18:16<locklace>what does "among a secure net" mean
18:16<locklace>you can forward them over ssh
18:16<dr|z3d>bja: x11vnc and hamachi. One way.
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18:17<ml|>locklace: i see, tried it but did not work
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18:18<locklace>!tell ml| about doesn't work
18:18<ml|>hehe
18:18<bja>locklace: Inside a secure net, ssh is not needed
18:18<ml|>cd: no such file or directory: ghc-6.10.2-i386-unknown-linux-libedit2
18:18<bja>vnc clients, I was just hoping on a client server topology
18:18<locklace>well, does that directory exist?
18:19<ml|>no, why it does work
18:19<ml|>*not
18:19<locklace>bja: are you just asking how to use client/server x?
18:19<locklace>ml|: ok, you've completely lost me
18:20<locklace>ml|: what did you type
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18:21<bja>locklace: I think so
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18:21<locklace>bja: x is inherently client/server. it used to always listen on a tcp socket by default, so you could just log in to any remote system, set DISPLAY, run an x app and have it display on the server
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18:22<locklace>bja: nowadays the tcp listener is disabled by default, so you just have to enable it with the right command line option or xorg.conf flag
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18:22<ml|>locklace: http://paste.debian.net/36736/
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18:23<locklace>ml|: well that's because that particular archive didn't follow the typical naming convention
18:23<ml|>locklace: yes i know, just sharing with you my outcome
18:24<locklace>the tar thing was just an example illustrating !#, argument selection and :r
18:27<bja>locklace: thx, guess I need more reading je je
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18:27<ml|>bja: you can change the -nolisten tcp in .. edit /etc/X11/xinit/serverrc
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18:28<ml|>bja: */etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
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18:29<ml|>locklace: yes and thank you
18:30<bja>ml|: thx
18:31<ml|>bja: np
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18:43<locklace>ml|: this works for your case, hehe:
18:43<locklace>tar xjf ghc-6.10.2-i386-unknown-linux-libedit2.tar.bz2 && cd !#:2:r:r:r.2
18:43<simmerz>exit
18:43<simmerz>oops
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18:44<ml|>:O
18:44<ml|>locklace: nice didn't think of that
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18:44<locklace>not the best way but the first that came to mind
18:45<ml|>!beer
18:45<dpkg>rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate
18:45<ml|>!beer locklace
18:45*dpkg pulls out an excellent Delirium Tremens for locklace
18:45<ml|>haha
18:45<locklace>of course having to think about and type "!#:2:r:r:r.2" isn't a big improvement over just typing "ghc-6.10.2"
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18:46<ml|>yes, but nice anyways :)
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18:47<locklace>it might be a win if the thing was named my-absurdly-christened-ghc-fork-6.10.2
18:47<ml|>lol
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18:48<locklace>i was trying to come up with something involving the :s/// modifier, which performs string substitution
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18:49<locklace>but it gets complicated if you want to use a pattern instead of a bare string in the substitution's lhs
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18:51<ml|>oh
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19:00<Xgamerz>how execute rpm file into dedian ?
19:00<Xgamerz>b
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19:00<Kvant>you can convert packages with alien
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19:01<ml|>dpkg: tell Xgamerz about rpm
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19:33<bja>Is it valid to run two instances of X on the same machine?
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19:33<dr|z3d>bja: Sure. You might run a normal session, and one over TightVNC, for example.
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19:34<bja>dr|z3d: And you have to start twice X ?
19:34<dr|z3d>bja: That's the way it works, usually.
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19:35<bja>dr|z3d: Thx
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19:37<themill>see also "fast user switching"
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19:38<bja>themill: Where?
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19:41<themill>bja: most desktop envor
19:42<themill>environments offer it as an option
19:42<abrotman>i thought just kde and gnome did
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19:43<magomik>ciao
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19:44<magomik>!list
19:44<dpkg>magomik: VATTENE VIA
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19:44<themill>xfce can too (apparently). Any DE can with a minimal applet (it's just startx :1 && chvt :8 after all)
19:44<ml|>!it
19:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:45<deniz_>is it possible to watch a video on one comp and use internet to hear the audio of that video on another comp?
19:46<deniz_>cuz my other comp has louder speakers but id like to view something from my other comp
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19:47<bja>themill: What parameter do you have to give X to listen from other machines?
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19:47<shamanix>deniz_ trust me you dont want that the latencies involved will quickly make it out of sync
19:47<themill>huh? I don't follow
19:48<ml|>deniz_: why move speakers
19:49<bja>themill: "startx :1 && chvt :8 " will start X on tty 8 if it doesn't exist it will create them. How do you tell X to look for connections from lets say 10.1.1.1
19:49<deniz_>shamanix, ok so here's my problem then: i have 4 audio files (lab reports) and the volume on the recording is sooooooooo low that i need to put my surround sound full blast on other comp to hear it normal. they are .flv files and the sound works via iceweasel on my laptop with weaker speakers but the video stutters with iceweasel which is why i downloaded it amongst other reasons, can i increase the loudness of the video file using software?
19:49<deniz_>ml|, moving my surround sound is too inconvenient
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19:51<shamanix>You need to extract the audio and edit it in a soundeditor, or use a player that allows you too boost volume past 0db
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19:52<bja>deniz_: Easy way out, get an external amplifier.
19:52<themill>bja: tcp mode for X is set in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc if that's what you mean. But I'm not sure what you're wanting by "looking for connections from ...".
19:53<bja>themill: Never mind, I was looking for an easy way to set thin-clients up. Guess I'm too grumpy for X
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19:54<themill>bja: xdmcp is possibly what you're looking for. But it's years since I've gone there....
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19:54<shamanix>deniz_ I don't know if there are tools that will demux (extract) flv under linux, I know of one app for windows (probably runs under wine)
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19:55<deniz_>shamanix, what's the application called and where can i get it? and are flash videos always .flv files?
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19:55<shamanix>deniz_ yep
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19:56<shamanix>AFAIK
19:57<shamanix>deniz_ http://www.moitah.net/
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20:01<jrabbit>BMUP
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20:02<bja>themill: Yes its xdmcp what I'm looking for thx
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20:03<stevendh>hello, I got a problem with gamin in testing, and i think it's not my fault.
20:03<ml|>!ask
20:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:04<stevendh>well, i can monitor changed/moved/... files just fine, but the (sparse) docs suggest i can monitor execution of files too, but that doesn't work
20:05<stevendh>i tried both kernel and polling backends (i think), neither work
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20:06<stevendh>the problem is not quite pressing for me, but a brief look at the gamin source seems to suggest (IANAC-Wizzard) that gamin actually doesn't try to offer that functionality
20:07<stevendh>could someone confirm this?
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20:08<stevendh>oh, i tried both python and c interfaces, with no result
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20:10<themill>stevendh: I've never heard of an exec event for inotify, only access, modify, open, close etc. Might just be my ignorance though....
20:12<stevendh>i found the acct package which does what i want, but it seems that gamin promises some things it can't deliver
20:12<stevendh>is it possible that fam could do that, and the gamin developpers left this out?
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20:14<stevendh>themill: indeed, exec doesn't quite seem to fit in that list does it?
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20:17<stevendh>so, shall i bother the maintainer?
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20:19<jul>hi
20:20<themill>stevendh: the debian package description is making no such claims about tracking "exec". Where did you find this?
20:20<shamanix>deniz_ you still here? I did some research, and if FLV Extract doesn't work try AviDemux or AVInaptic
20:22<stevendh>themill: i first used the python interface, at least it has codes named 'GAMStartExecuting' and 'GAMStopExecuting'
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20:23<deniz_>shamanix, i dont c avinaptic in repositories, so im going to get avidemux, but after i update my system (will take like over half an hour)
20:23<stevendh>the docs on the gamin website say 'it works like fam so look at their site', and the fam site describes these codes
20:25<deniz_>shamanix, (the .exe doesnt even launch)
20:25<themill>stevendh: interesting. All the other events are about file alterations (i.e. FAM).
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20:25<shamanix>I tried on my computer, and it complains about .net framework 2.0
20:26<shamanix>wine and .net rarely mix well
20:26<shamanix>I totally forgot that when I recommended the prog
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20:28<stevendh>themill: also, i removed gamin and installed fam & fam-dev, tried my little c-program that should report execution of a file but that fails too
20:28<stevendh>(i think i did all that correctly)
20:29<stevendh>so i hoped someone who knows about this stuff could say something enlightning here
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20:32<stevendh>apparently there's also 'python-fam' in debian; i could see what that gives
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20:38<stevendh>fat chance, it depends on the same libraries
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20:44<salival>Hello, I want to know which package replaced xsupplicant in debian lenny ? I found out xsupplicant is not in lenny anymore, is there a replacement package then ?
20:45<abrotman>wpasupplicant
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20:46<salival>abrotman: Thanks I'll check it out.
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20:59<kampasky>Hi! I need to automatically reconfigure an exim4 installation on lenny, but debconf decided to just drive me mad. I extracted the relevant items from config.dat on one machine, then on another I'm trying DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive DEBCONF_DB_FALLBACK='File{/root/exim4-config.dat}' dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
21:00<kampasky>However, exim4 always uses the old configuration. I tried DEBCONF_DB_OVERRIDE instead of _FALLBACK too, with no effect whatsoever. What am I doing wrong?
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21:00<abrotman>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ?
21:00<kampasky>what should I use instead?
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21:01<abrotman>i'm asking if that's what you used ?
21:02<kampasky>yes, as I wrote
21:02*abrotman totally missed it .. oh there it is
21:02<abrotman>so you want to reconfigure debconf?
21:02<kampasky>i want to reconfigure exim4 noninteractively
21:03<abrotman>but it won't ask you questions ...
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21:03<kampasky>hmm, what do you mean? i'm sorry, i'm not following
21:04<abrotman>dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config ?
21:05<abrotman>you probably want to change the front end to be Dialog
21:05<kampasky>hmm, i just noticed - dpkg-reconfigure actually does it the wrong way around! it will use DEBCONF_DB_OVERRIDE file as the target where it _saves_ the configuration, which it still loads from the system-wide database
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21:06<kampasky>abrotman: I don't want interactive configuration, I need to mass-configure bunch of machines based on custom configuration I have prepared
21:06<abrotman>oh .. there's a way to feed configs
21:08<kampasky>yes, that's what i'm after
21:09<abrotman>i think you are looking for something like debconf-(get|set)-selections
21:11<abrotman>kampasky: look useful ?
21:12<kampasky>oh! it indeed does! if _that_ would be only linked from debconf(7) manpage...
21:12<kampasky>thanks
21:13<abrotman>kampasky: you could send in a patch :)
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21:21<kampasky>abrotman: ok, but how do i propagate whatever i have set up with debconf-set-selections to the actual package settings?
21:22<kampasky>abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure will just overwrite the config database settings with defaults again
21:22<abrotman>it will set it in the debconf database ?
21:22<abrotman>so don't reconfigure it ?
21:22<kampasky>so what do i do instead?
21:22<kampasky>debconf-set-selections sets it in the debconf database
21:23<abrotman>but you need it to get setup in the /etc/ bits ?
21:23<kampasky>yes
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21:24<abrotman>but the dpkg-reconfigure shouldn't ask you questions, and they've already been set .. /me would think it would just use the existing settings
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21:25<kampasky>no, it will reset the settings ;(
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21:26<abrotman>maybe the -u option ?
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21:28<kampasky>then dpkg-reconfigure won't ask anything, but still merrily reset the settings to defaults
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21:30<abrotman>maybe turn off the non-interactive?
21:30<kampasky>that doesn't make a difference
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21:34<Mibber>Hey guys, the new gnome have a blue icon for acessibility that i dont use.. how to not open it anymore>
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21:35<dr|z3d>Mibber: Try checking your saved session apps.
21:35<Mibber>where is it?
21:36<dr|z3d>Have a look around your gnome menu.. get acquainted. :)
21:36<Mibber>ok
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21:37<dr|z3d>Train your sights on anything with "session" in the name.
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21:38<Mibber>ok, i did it... another problem.. i want to remove Evolution, ekiga, empathy.. but i just can remove it if i remove gnome itself
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21:40<dr|z3d>You don't need to remove gnome to remove those apps, although they may be part of the gnome-desktop metapackage.
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21:40<Mibber>but look
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21:41<Mibber>http://www.mibbit.com/pb/6TS3Q2
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21:42<Mibber>it is a pastebin
21:42<Mibber>if i say ok, it will remove my gnome right?
21:43<TheFish>i'm trying to use a webcam, but it says theres "no space left on device"
21:43<kampasky>abrotman: hmm, i think i understand now - dpkg-reconfigure re-seeds the values from the files in /etc/ where it has put them before
21:43<kampasky>abrotman: so the solution is actually just to ignore debian altogether and do it the dirty way
21:43<abrotman>icky!
21:44<abrotman>kampasky: or ask the debian-user mailing list
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21:44<kampasky>with googling debconf-set-selections, a node at debianhelp.org explaining this was easy to find
21:48<TheFish>does anyone know what is wrong when trying to use a webcam, and it says "no space left on device"?
21:49<dr|z3d>TheFish: Hard drive run out of temp space?
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21:49<TheFish>maybe, but it has 150mb left on it
21:50<TheFish>is that enough?
21:50<dr|z3d>In all probability, no.
21:50<dr|z3d>How big's the drive/partition?
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21:51<dan__>hello, all. I'm new to debian (and linux, really) and am looking for some (hopefully) trivial configuration help... the support site pointed me here. before I go any further, am I in the right place?
21:51<TheFish>2.5gb
21:51<TheFish>yes you are in the right place
21:52<dan__>awesome!
21:52<TheFish>what do you need help with?
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21:52<dr|z3d>TheFish: Linux will keep some spare capacity about for things such as logs etc. Sounds like you've pretty much hit the limit for user storage.
21:53<TheFish>dr|z3d: ill try freeing up some space, thx
21:53<ml|>dpkg: tell dan about ask
21:53<ml|>dpkg: tell dan about grounding
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21:53<ml|>dpkg: tell dan__ about grounding
21:53<ml|>dpkg: tell dan__ about grounding
21:53<dan__>so... i've installed debian (running it now) on an old apple powerbook g4/800. my problem is that i can't find a way to enable a right click. I know, it seem silly or trivial. here's what i've done so far:
21:54<ml|>oops
21:54<dan__>go into system>preferences>mouse and try to check the box for a simulated secondary click (by holding down the mouse button)
21:55<dan__>...but the box gets unchecked and i get a warning that "mousetweaks requires assistive technologies"
21:55<dan__>...so then i go into system>prefs>assistive technologies, and voila! the box is checked
21:55<dan__>i've tried unchecking it, logging out, logging back in, rechecking it, logout/in again. nada.
21:55<dan__>i've tried reinstalling mousetweaks... nada
21:55<dan__>(it's already installed)
21:56<dan__>so here I am, not able to do everything on the command line, and without a right click to work with the gui. any ideas on how I can get this simulated secondary click to work?
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21:57<dan__>um... hello?
21:57<dan__>oh bummer, TheFish has left. anyone else?
21:57<dr|z3d>dan__: Don't expect an instant response here.
21:58<dan__>oh, okay
21:58<dr|z3d>We're all volunteers with other things doing.
21:58<ml|>dpkg: tell dan__ about ask
21:58<dan__>(Oh, I don't mean to be rude at all. I'm just not acquainted with IRC etiquette or how long it takes to get a response. I also thought I might have done something wrong in my client. :/ )
21:59<dr|z3d>ml|: He did ask, and you did get dpkg to message him already. Give the guy a break!
21:59<ml|>dr|z3d: lol, i made a mistake earlier :P
21:59<dr|z3d>What mouse are you using, dan__?
22:00<dr|z3d>dan__: Pay attention!
22:00<ml|>dan__: read messages fom dpkg for general linux info and about asking here
22:02<ml|>dan__: would be helpful for others to know if you are using gnome or kde
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22:03<dr|z3d>dan__: Another thing, irc-wise. If you come to a channel for support and ask a question, try responding to followups in a reasonable timeframe; people easily get vexed waiting for your response.
22:03<ml|>dpkg: tell dan__ about irc
22:04<ml|>maybe it started working for him
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22:07<TheFish>ok, I cleaned up the partition to 246.7mb, but it still says "no space left on device" when i try to read the video0 device
22:07<TheFish>it sees the camera as a usb device
22:09<TheFish>and there is a video0 char device
22:11<dan__>sorry! i just started talking to dpkg...
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22:11<dan__>ok, so to provide more info: i'm using gnome
22:11<dan__>the mouse is a powerbook g4 internal trackpad
22:12<dan__>(g4 800mhz 15")
22:12<ml|>dan__: dpkg is bot, it was meant to give you info
22:12<dan__>yes, i gathered
22:12<abrotman>TheFish: use paste.debian.net and paste `df -h ; df -i`
22:14<ml|>dan__: does it have one button or two
22:14<dan__>just one button
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22:14<dan__>that's the problem. If I put in a USB mouse with two buttons, it recognizes both. but the laptop's trackpad only has one, so it's important to me to enable a secondary click from teh trackpad
22:15<TheFish>abrotman: what will this do?
22:15<abrotman>it will show me stuff
22:15<the_ultimate_samurai>would this be a good place to ask about programming questions?
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22:15<TheFish>abrotman: where do i paste it?
22:15<abrotman>TheFish: use paste.debian.net and paste `df -h ; df -i`
22:15<ml|>dan__: right, might have to wait for someone who has had similar issues then and uses gnome
22:16<dan__>hm, ok. i've got to go now anyway; I'll try to check back later. thanks all!
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22:16<TheFish>abrotman: where do i paste 'df -h ; df -i'?
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22:16<abrotman><abrotman> TheFish: use paste.debian.net
22:16<abrotman>it's a website?
22:16<abrotman>you paste stuff there?
22:16<TheFish>abrotman: ok, im there
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22:20<ml|>TheFish: do you know how to use a pastebin?
22:20<TheFish>no
22:20<TheFish>i don't
22:20<TheFish>but im trying
22:21<ml|>ok just run the commands abrotman said...
22:21<TheFish>were do i enter the commands?
22:21<ml|>and paste the output to a pastebin, then paste url here
22:21<dr|z3d>TheFish: Open up a terminal.
22:21<TheFish>ok
22:21<abrotman>TheFish: you enter the command in an xterm or similar .. then paste them in there
22:23<ml|>dpkg: tell TheFish about paste
22:24<abrotman>he's already there ..
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22:24<ml|>abrotman: so he has more info
22:24<abrotman>to do what?
22:24<TheFish>give me a sec. im running this on another computer
22:24<abrotman>it doesn't tell him how to run the commands
22:24<ml|>how to use pastebin
22:24<Supaplex>!paste howto
22:24<dpkg>howto: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
22:25<Supaplex>lol.
22:25<Supaplex>!pastebin howto
22:25<dpkg>pastebin howto is probably step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to http://rafb.net/paste step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here.
22:25<TheFish>ok
22:25<abrotman>just as helpful ...
22:25<ml|>Supaplex: nice
22:25<Supaplex>it's almost sad we have that factoid
22:26<Supaplex>but there's a first for everything
22:26<ml|>well some people have never used one, right
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22:27<TheFish>ok, i pasted it
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22:27<Supaplex>step 6
22:28<TheFish>oh yah, 1 sec
22:28<dr|z3d>Let's have the url, TheFish..
22:28<abrotman>i think he forgot to hit submit
22:28<TheFish>http://rafb.net/p/7gMXpR57.html
22:28<dr|z3d>Unless you want to practise some more pastebin.. ah.. there we go. :)
22:30<abrotman>well .. for all that .. wasn't helpful
22:30<abrotman>other than a kind of small /
22:30<TheFish>yah
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22:30<Supaplex>odd. no space left on device when using video0? how are you trying to use it?
22:30<abrotman>with green beans
22:31<TheFish>im trying to use it as a web cam, because that is what it is
22:31<Supaplex>!webcam
22:31<dpkg>For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam
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22:32<TheFish>it seems to work fine on my x86_64 system
22:32<TheFish>but i need it for my other system
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22:35<TheFish>the camera is a "creative notebook pro, model No. VF0400" and i have the drivers loaded
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22:38<dan__>hello again
22:38<TheFish>hi
22:38<dan__>anyone here with experience with a powerbook and gnome?
22:38<TheFish>not me
22:38<dan__>(also disclaimer: I'm new to linux, debian, and IRC)
22:39<TheFish>dan_: do you know about the debian package manager?
22:39<dan__>In fact, I suspect it's not so much a powerbook-specific issue as a configuration one
22:39<dr|z3d>dan__: Follow up this article -> http://packages.debian.org/sid/mouseemu
22:41<Supaplex>hummmm mm mmm...
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22:43<abrotman>dan__: there is a #debianppc channel .. they might have more hints
22:44<dr|z3d>Follow up on mouseemu should be enough.
22:45<dan__>i did just follow up on that article, thanks
22:45<dan__>so now mouseemu is installed
22:45<dan__>(via synaptic)
22:45<abrotman>there's a different way to do that
22:45<dan__>...and this is going to confirm what I said earlier about being new to all this... but how do I now USE mouseemu?
22:45<dr|z3d>dan__: From a terminal type: man mouseemu
22:45<dan__>oh, it's cli?
22:46<dan__>cool, i'll try that
22:46<dan__>thanks
22:46<dr|z3d>That will give you some indication of how to use it.
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22:47<abrotman>dan__: http://debian.org/ports/powerpc/ .. they have quite a bit of documentation there
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22:49<TheFish>well thanks for the help, cu all
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22:58<Wolfcastle>hello ppl
22:59<Wolfcastle>am I the only one having graphical problems with kde 4.2?
22:59<Wolfcastle>I get some random partial black in windows
23:00<dr|z3d>Wolfcastle: Sounds like a graphics driver issue, probably.
23:00<Wolfcastle>plus I have no icons in the classic-style menu
23:00<Wolfcastle>dr|z3d: i have the nvidia driver installed
23:00<dr|z3d>Wolfcastle: Sure.. have you tried a different environment.. gnome or xfce, for example?
23:01<dr|z3d>And also, are you running Compiz?
23:01<Wolfcastle>dr|z3d: not now but I had no such issue with kde 3 with I was using yesterday
23:01<Wolfcastle>dr|z3d: no, I'm not running compiz
23:01<Wolfcastle>dr|z3d: I would guess it's a kwin issue
23:02<dr|z3d>Well KDE4's a bit more graphically intensive, so if your drivers are suspect, KDE4 is more likely to show that than KDE3.
23:02<Wolfcastle>dr|z3d: i see
23:03<dr|z3d>I'm also not a hugefan of KDE4.. style over substance in my view.
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23:04<dan__>so i now have mouseemu installed and understand the command I need to execute (from the man pages). when I type in terminal "mouseemu xxxxxx" it says "command not found."
23:04<dr|z3d>What if you type: sudo mouseemu xxxxxx
23:05<Wolfcastle>dr|z3d: yeah I'm thinking about installing gnome right now
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23:05<dr|z3d>Wolfcastle: While you're thinking about that, install Xfce!
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23:06<dan__>well, sudo didn't work, but su did. so now i'm in a root terminal, and when I run it it exits with no messages, but doesn't seem to be working (ie, I still can't control-click to get a right mouse button effect)
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23:09<dr|z3d>dan__: You really need to start hitting up google. http://forum.soft32.com/linux/click-powerbook-ftopict309141.html
23:10<dr|z3d>That's another irc-thing.. if folk feel you've made an effort to troubleshoot your issue (via google etc) before you ask your question, you're likely to get more/better assistance :)
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23:11<dr|z3d>On the other hand, if you use irc like you're own personal google, folk tend to see through that pretty quick and may decline to help.
23:11<dr|z3d>*your
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23:11<Hey-bibs>Hello guys, i need help... i want to convert a mkv HD Video for Divx, for playing on my TV. Can you help me?
23:11<Hey-bibs>The video have subtitles
23:11<dr|z3d>Hey-bibs: Sure. http://google.com is your first port of call.
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23:14<Hey-bibs>i went, but nothing found
23:14<Hey-bibs>i found a alltoavi... but i dont know how to install, im triing
23:16<dr|z3d>Hey-bibs: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/handbrake-cli.php
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23:18<dr|z3d>Hey-bibs: If you didn't get that, you want to be looking for stuff related to "handbrake".
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23:19<Hey-bibs>ty
23:19<dr|z3d>Hey-bibs: You'll probably want a gui as well. http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/package/handbrake-gtk.php
23:19<Hey-bibs>i have aptituded it ^^
23:19<dr|z3d>That's the 64bit link.. sniff around until you find the 32bit version, if that's what you need.
23:19<Hey-bibs>i use 64
23:20<dr|z3d>Ok, cool. You should be mostly sorted then.
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23:23<dr|z3d>Hey-bibs: http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/dvd_ripper_handbrake_now_with_gui
23:24<dr|z3d>That's a good primer, probably.
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23:35<Hey-bibs><dr|z3d>, thank you, thats handbrake is a maximum
23:36<Hey-bibs>do averything i want
23:36<Hey-bibs>everything
23:36<dr|z3d>:)
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23:39<Hey-bibs>i just need to learn how to use.. hehe, better saying, what i need for optimize my video for my tv
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