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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-05-22

---Logopened Fri May 22 00:00:24 2009
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00:48<beer>I will just heare if eclipse sdk will be updated in squuze
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00:51<shamanix>!qotd0
00:51<dpkg><tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone!
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00:58<dondelelcaro>beer: if you help, yes. If not, maybe
00:58<dondelelcaro>beer: currently it doesn't have an active maintainer
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01:00<beer>dondelelcaro: a shame I do not knoe anything how to be a maintainer. The job of a maintainer is to make deb package of the programe and upload it?
01:01<compgrokker>and afaict to catch crap if it doesn't work ;)
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01:02<beer>I do not think I have the guts to the a maintainer
01:02<dondelelcaro>beer: and to fix bugs in the package, etc.
01:03<dondelelcaro>beer: if you're an avid user of eclipse, your in a good position to at least contribute to the maintenance of it
01:04<dondelelcaro>(I imagine the number of debian developers who actually use eclipse is fairly small, so it needs someone who uses it to work on its maintenance)
01:06<beer>I use it weekly(nearly daily) but that is the eclipse from http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ not from apt-get since eclipse@mirrors are so old and it depends on gcj witch is not so good compared to sun-java6-jdk
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01:12*Supaplex goes a little blind over #452645
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01:13<sge_>hello
01:13<Supaplex>greeting
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01:14<sge_>how to autostart x?
01:14<Grunt>plzz help me
01:15<Grunt>gm
01:15<Supaplex>!tell Grunt -about ask
01:15<Grunt>gm to dankwow 2.4.3
01:15<Grunt>unstuck astro
01:15<Grunt> im hero error 132 in verdant
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01:17<jm_>sge_: install a DM
01:18<Grunt>''??
01:18<Grunt>HELP ME
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01:28<Supaplex>how do I tell what runlevel I'm in?
01:28<jm_>runlevel<enter>
01:29<dr|z3d>Indeed. Just type runlevel.
01:29<dr|z3d>At a terminal, obviously.
01:29<Supaplex>that .. was too easy. thanks :)
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02:27<MyWifeIs19>on etch, when I typed dpkg -L then <tab> it showed list of all installed packages. How do I enable this on lenny?
02:28<Supaplex>sounds like a /etc/bash_completion.d/
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02:35<jm_>yeah enable completion - bash completion was split in another package so make sure that is installed
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03:32<pawel>ok I'll tald about it on offtopic channel.
03:32<pawel>*talk
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04:25<quigz>hey i just lost my panels in XFCE after i relogged anyone know how to get them back?
04:25<dr|z3d>quigz: If they're gone, they're probably gone. Just recreate 'em.
04:26<quigz>nah i did this once and there was some easy way to get them back some hotkey or something
04:26<dr|z3d>quigz: That is, unless you don't have xfce4-panel running.. try running that first.
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04:27<quigz>how would that get turned off?
04:28<dr|z3d>Shouldn't do.
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04:29<quigz>ok thanks
04:29<dr|z3d>No harm in checking that it's running, though. ps -e |grep xfce4-panel
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04:52<carnil>Hi, is there a perl-module which will ease parsing of /etc/apt/preferences? Is this possible with libapt-pkg-perl?
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04:53<jm_>try man AptPkg::Config
04:55<oladejo>any help on how to uninstall bacula
04:55<dr|z3d>aptitude remove bacula not working?
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05:04<ua0ljj>???? ??????
05:05<locklace>!ru
05:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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05:38<oladejo>any help on how to unistall bacula
05:38<oladejo>any help on how to unistall bacula
05:39<legnaleurc>apt-get remove bacula
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05:46<oladejo>what of on centos5.2
05:47<jm_>then you ask in centos channel
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06:00<az>Hi @all I use Sun VirtualBox and have a .vdi image. How can i read it under linux??? \n thanks
06:00<kooll>az: whith virtualbox too, I guess
06:00<kooll>I'm not sure they made tool to read it 'directly'
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06:03<torocatala>hi
06:03<torocatala>i can run properly cacti :(
06:04<torocatala>i mean, i can enter on it, but i don't see any graph
06:04<torocatala>i follow the howto of the forums of cati
06:04<torocatala>but didn't work
06:05<torocatala>i think is something about snmpd configuration, but i don't know much about it
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06:05<jm_>make sure public community is exprted as read-only and then it should work
06:05<fanto666>Hello, I just installed ifpluigs and seems that its configure script is not run, so I must run dpkg-reconfigure. Does dpkg invoke 'configure' script automatically or must preinst/postinst scripts take care of it?
06:05<fanto666>"ifplugd"
06:05<azeem>fanto666: the latter
06:05<az>kool I can't find anything :(
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06:06<kooll>az: well, you install virtualbox, start a vm with that vdi image. if you want to read it in a specific way, perhaps start a livecd inside that vm
06:07<torocatala>jm_ i add the "rocodrom public" on the snmpd.conf i restart it, and i remove the line of the /etc/default/sbmpd
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06:07<fanto666>llas -msg
06:08<torocatala>i do a snmpwalk to the machine from the server where cacti is
06:08<torocatala>and i get some results
06:08<torocatala>but i can't see anything on cacti
06:08<az>kool hmmm i have this problem: I want to copy some files on an USB-Stick. I have activate this but it don't works :(
06:08<jm_>torocatala: try this http://www.mindhog.net/~mmuller/projects/articles/MRTGSetup.html
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06:08<torocatala>ok, i go to try, thx
06:09<legnaleurc>what the meaning of ':' in package's version string?
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06:10<jm_>legnaleurc: reaad about epoch in debian devel docs
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06:13<legnaleurc>jm_: thx
06:13<fanto666>azeem: do you have it installed by any chance? looking at scripts, I think it just does not invoke it...
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06:16<torocatala>jm_ i do it an nothing change... but... cacti has a command on the cron, when i do it manually, show me that: http://pastebin.com/d4461b138 maybe here is the problem
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06:18<jm_>torocatala: well not sure, check if snmpwalk lists entire public community now
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06:20<torocatala>jm_ i write this in the shell: "snmpwalk -v 2c -c public 192.168.1.5 system" and I obtain information of the remote host, i think that is ok
06:20<jm_>torocatala: snmpwalk -v1 -c public localhost
06:21<jm_>torocatala: ok if it lists a lot of info (including network interfaces), then the issue is not snmpd configuration
06:21<torocatala>a very very very long output
06:21<jm_>sounds OK then
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06:22<torocatala>uhms, ok, thx
06:23<torocatala>then, the problem is the cacti configuration...
06:23<torocatala>rrdtool need to eb configurated?
06:24<torocatala>*be
06:24<jm_>well cacti should create the RRD database etc.
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06:27<locklace>wonder why we always get the snmp questions this time of day
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06:35<azeem>fanto666: no
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06:56<Nazcafan>well, after one week of trying out the xorg from unstable, back to testing
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06:59<jrodger>what file do I need edit to make my ip address fixed (at the moment, it is dhcp) - I'm running no Xserver on this computer....thanks
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07:00<jm_>jrodger: man interfaces
07:02<jrodger>jm_ thanks
07:02<jm_>jrodger: no worries
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07:02<jm_>examples are also in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples
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07:25<torocatala>:_(
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07:27<torocatala>argg... fucking cacti
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07:28<torocatala>snmp works fine, i add the client on the cacti, says "the host is alive" but in status say "unkow"
07:28<torocatala>argg..
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07:38<jm_>torocatala: try using something else then
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07:40<Lish>question , have some ports open like auth rpcbind ipp ok? and i didn't find them in runlevel rc?.d how can i remove them 4ever:P
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07:40<jm_>!open ports
07:40<dpkg>rumour has it, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber>
07:41<Lish>ok
07:41<jm_>use that to locate which app is listening, easy to handle it from there
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07:45<DoZeR>Good day!
07:46<DoZeR>need help ! how i can install make packege ?? when write command make debian say me command not found??
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07:47<jm_>!b-e DoZeR
07:47<dpkg>DoZeR: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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07:49<DoZeR>how command??
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07:51<DoZeR>what I need do?? what necessary write command??
07:51<jm_>the command was just listed
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07:54<locklace>!tell DoZeR -about ru
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08:00<torocatala>this is fuckind madness
08:01<dr|z3d>No. This is Sparta!
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08:01<torocatala>dr|z3d, LOL
08:01<dr|z3d>"Watch what you say, torocatala, for your words may be your last!"
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08:04<phrosty>hmm i was just thinking about going to grab some ramen
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08:05<dr|z3d>How do phrosty!
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08:09<hever>Hej. I'm a bit in trouble setting up qemu networking. Qemu create the tap0 interface and if I ping from guest to host I get this tcpdump: http://pastebin.ca/1430909 arp says that tap0 is hever.local but this is the host, not the quest. tcpdump looks like tell hever who is hever. Do you have an idea how to solve this or what's going wrong ?
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08:15<Aleric>I created a chroot with a bind mount for /dev. I now want to delete that chroot again, but I can't get /dev to umount :(
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08:15<Aleric>>sudo umount /usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots/etch32/dev
08:15<Aleric>umount: /usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots/etch32/dev: device is busy
08:15<Aleric>How can I umount that?
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08:18<dr|z3d>Aleric: Recommend you fire up: man umount
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08:19<petemc>or find whats keeping it busy and unbusy it
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08:20<Aleric>How can I find that out? It's just reporting everything that uses /dev
08:20<Aleric>>fuser -m /usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots/etch32/dev
08:20<Aleric>/usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots/etch32/dev: 1718 4204 4205 5549 5702 5703 5706 5708 5710 5739 5740 5741 5742 5745 5747 5748 5749 5750 5751 5753 5754 5756 5782 5801 5832 5978 7053 18256 21901 22592 27632 27712 29595 29602m 31510m
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08:21<Aleric>That are all processes that use /dev
08:21<danger_>Hi, I've got a secondary EIDE hard disk, I've formatted it as EXT3 with gParted but I can't get it to auto mount (Lenny AMDx64)
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08:23<danger_>Anyone got any clues to help me?
08:24<streuner>GNOME?
08:24<danger_>Yes
08:24<narcan>squeeze?
08:24<dr|z3d>danger_: Tip: http://www.greenfly.org/tips/autofs.html
08:24<dr|z3d>That's worth a read, regardless.
08:24<torocatala>ok, snmp is ok, poller.php is ok... but cacti don't show graphs... ¿where can be the problem?
08:25<streuner>danger_: do you have that gnome automount stuff installed?
08:25<danger_>I think so yes
08:25<dr|z3d>If cacti's not showing graphs, you're probably missing a graphics library, torocatala
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08:25<torocatala>dr|z3d, ?
08:25<streuner>danger_: dpkg -l gnome-volume-manager?
08:26<dr|z3d>torocatala: Random guess.. might be way offbeam there.
08:26<streuner>danger_: hm, and dont mention it in /etc/fstab (HDD)
08:26<streuner>there are sometimes problems
08:27<danger_>It doesn't mention it in /etc/fstab
08:27<danger_>shows up in gParted as /dev/hda
08:27<dr|z3d>torocatala: Try a apt-cache depends cacti and see what it wants.
08:28<danger_>dpkg - l gnome-volume-manager gives me: | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
08:28<dpkg>You are moron #1, danger_
08:28<danger_>|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
08:28<torocatala>nice, i don't know that option, thx!
08:28<danger_>ops
08:28<locklace>wait
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08:28<locklace>danger_: by "automount" do you just mean you want it to be mounted by the system when you boot?
08:29<danger_>yes locklace,
08:29<locklace>danger_: that is what /etc/fstab is for. add it there. done.
08:29<danger_>but I can't mount it at all at the moment
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08:30<locklace>danger_: what exact mount command are you trying
08:30<streuner>danger_: mount /dev/sd(x) /mnt
08:30<locklace>streuner: stop giving misinformation please
08:30<danger_>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
08:31<locklace>danger_: please paste output of "fdisk -l /dev/hda"
08:31<streuner>danger_: locklace is right, you need with that command first to add it in /etc/fstab
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08:32<danger_>locklace could you post a link to the paste bin so I dont flood please :)
08:32<locklace>!tell danger_ about paste
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08:32<hever>Are those arp requests normal: ARP, Ethernet (len 6), IPv4 (len 4), Request who-has hever.local tell hever.local ?
08:33<dr|z3d>hever: Sure.
08:33<jm_>yes
08:33<locklace>hever: yep, they're an old arp refresh hack
08:33<hever>hmm ok
08:33<dr|z3d>Sounds like your network's just figuring out who's got what ip.
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08:33<hever>I thought its an error indicator.
08:34<danger_>locklace: http://paste.debian.net/36765/
08:34<locklace>no, since source and dest are the same
08:34<locklace>hence "refresh hack"
08:34<dr|z3d>(ARP = address resolution protocol)
08:34<dr|z3d>Ah, fair play. That passed me by.
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08:34<locklace>danger_: fine. so did you make a filesystem on /dev/hda1 with mkfs?
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08:35<hever>I've a qemu box that should not be hever.local it should have its own hostname and i don't know why the box on tap0 thinks its hever.local...
08:35<danger_>Well I was using gParted and I made a partition of fs ext3 using the whole disk if that makes sense
08:35<torocatala>i think all is working but... the graph are very weird... :S
08:35<dr|z3d>Could be the way Qemu's sharing the adapter, hever.
08:35<locklace>danger_: no it doesn't. partitioning and making a filesystem are independent.
08:35<Aleric>Well, I guess I have to reboot... this is insane!
08:35<jm_>qemu has several ways for configuring networking
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08:36<hever>I used tun/tap for month now nearly every day but now its no longer working...
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08:37<Aleric>jm_: Do you happen to know how to kill a *bind* mounted directory that is 'busy'? There are no processes running that are using that directory imho...
08:37<hever>tap0 is 172.20.0.1 but I can't ping it from the host and I cant understand it or find out why.
08:38<Aleric>umount -f fails of course, and umount -l "works", but since the devices are still in the output of ls I'm sure as hell not going to do an rm -rf on the chroot after that.
08:38<valdyn>Aleric: "imo" is silly, use lsof
08:38<Aleric>I did use lsof
08:38<valdyn>Aleric: as root
08:38<Aleric>I did
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08:38<danger_>ah okay locklace so what do I need to do?
08:38<valdyn>Aleric: what does devices being in the output of ls have to do with it?
08:38<hever>I should be able to do this, or not ?
08:39<jm_>Aleric: did you stop all processes and exited from chroot?
08:39<locklace>danger_: first, double-checking: /dev/hda1 is definitely a free partition that doesn't have any data you need, right? what we're going to do next will wipe it out
08:39<Aleric>jm_: I entered the chroot with chroot, and exitted it with exit. I'm not aware of any processes having started that would still be running, nor do I see anything that might be it in ps aux
08:40<Aleric>lsof only shows bash shells that have nothing to do with the chroot
08:40<valdyn>Aleric: umm?
08:40<valdyn>Aleric: you are telling us that lsof is lying?
08:40<Aleric>err, lsof | grep kgrid .... nothing is using that specific directory
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08:41<valdyn>Aleric: as root?
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08:41<tonytraductor>whoa...full channel
08:41<tonytraductor>greetings!
08:41<tonytraductor>I just tried out the Debian Live with LXDE
08:41<tonytraductor>nice
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08:42<Aleric>valdyn:
08:42<tonytraductor>I've thought about moving to debian since, like, forever
08:42<Aleric>hikaru:/usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots>sudo lsof | grep /usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots/etch32/dev
08:42<Aleric>hikaru:/usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots>
08:42<valdyn>Aleric: "lsof /path/to/chroot"
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08:42<tonytraductor>I tried installing woody some years ago, but could never get the X server running...no idea why, even with the same x confs as I had used with the same hardware on fedora
08:43<Aleric>valdyn: Well, that's going to be a bit hard now.. I moved it out of the chroot so I could rm -rf it
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08:43<tonytraductor>but I've played with a few distros...and always kept thinking that I would be really happy as part of the debian community
08:43<danger_>okay locklace it is definitely free (sda1 is my primary drive, this 300GB one is just a backup drive)
08:43<hever>Do you know a tool that works like ping but on mac addresses ?
08:43<tonytraductor>so I'm considering it again
08:43<Aleric>(namely, mv /usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots/etch32/dev /usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/fucked.up.dev)
08:43<locklace>danger_: ok, "mkfs.ext3 -m 1 /dev/hda1"
08:43<valdyn>Aleric: thats silly
08:43<valdyn>Aleric: and it does not change the usage of lsof
08:43<Aleric>Better than deleted your /dev
08:44<Aleric>hikaru:/usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots>sudo lsof fucked.up.dev
08:44<Aleric>hikaru:/usr/src/secondlife/kgrid/chroots>
08:44<tonytraductor>I think I might just make some room on my hdd and do a dual boot with my current ubuntu, first, to see how installation goes
08:44<valdyn>Aleric: you can move dev and make it not show in ls while its in use, but you *cannot* effectively remove it while its in use
08:44<Aleric>I'll delete it after a next reboot :/
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08:45<valdyn>Aleric: it goes away by itself though after it is no longer in use
08:45<Aleric>valdyn: You know what a bind mount is?
08:45<valdyn>Aleric: umm, sure
08:46<Aleric>The problem is that if I rm -rf the /exotic/chroot/whatever/foo, I am ALSO rm -rf /dev
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08:46<Aleric>I don't want to rm -rf /dev
08:46<danger_>Okay locklace that has finished
08:46<Aleric>So it HAS to be umounted before I can delete the chroot.
08:46<locklace>danger_: ok, what directory do you want to mount this partition on?
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08:46<valdyn>Aleric: its in use. You cannot unmount while its in use, we already had that
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08:46<danger_>I'm not really fussed prefably a new director - erm /backup maybe
08:47<Aleric>So.. I mv'ed it away and will delete it after some reboot in the future :/
08:47<tonytraductor>or I might test it on another box
08:47<locklace>danger_: make whatever directory you want to mount it on with mkdir, if it doesn't already exist
08:47<valdyn>Aleric: sure that works
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08:47<tonytraductor>DLing the debian/xfce/lxde iso right now
08:47<danger_>okay /backup now exists
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08:48<locklace>danger_: ok, add this line to /etc/fstab: "/dev/hda1 /backup ext3 defaults 0 2"
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08:48<dr|z3d>tonytraductor: Out of interest, what's lacking in your experience of Ubuntu?
08:48<danger_>lacklace that's added
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08:48<locklace>the brain cells of other users?
08:48<locklace>danger_: now "mount -av"
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08:49<karl-k>hi all ! i am trying to connect a microsoft bluetooth mouse to my internal bt hub but its not working. any suggestions where to ask for help ?
08:49<dr|z3d>karl-k: Running Debian?
08:49<karl-k>yep, lenny
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08:50<mjk>Hm, suddenly I have a kde dependencies problem with my Debian testing (amd64): http://paste.debian.net/36766/ -- I searched bug reports for kdebase-bin and kdesktop (<-- none) to no avail. Interestingly enough, <http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdesktop> claims "kdesktop is not available in Debian", while "apt-cache policy kdesktop" shows the current version (4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2) as Installed and Candidate. Any ideas?
08:50<dr|z3d>Here's as good a place as any to ask, then. :)
08:50<danger_>locklace - great that's mounted now :) is there anyway to get it to show up in the "Computer" window in Gnome
08:50<dr|z3d>mjk: Add some repositories, perhaps.. testing..
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08:51<mjk>dr|z3d: I'm already using testing ... and I replaced ftp.de.debian.org with ftp.se.debian.org to no avail.
08:51<locklace>danger_: can't help you there, not a gnome user. probably it will show up automatically if your restart it or something. anyway, that partition will now be mounted under /backup automatically whenever you boot the system.
08:51<karl-k>ok: what can i do if "hcitool scan" does not see my bluetooth mouse
08:51<mjk>dr|z3d: Oh, wait ... maybe I'll try with a "clean" sources.list ... *checking*
08:51<danger_>many thanks locklace really appreciated
08:51<karl-k>debian lenny with a microsoft presenter 8000 bt mouse
08:51<karl-k>on a macbook
08:52<karl-k>just realize, a weird mix....
08:52<llutz>karl-k: does "hcitool dev" show your bt-adapter?
08:52<karl-k>it detects my mobile phone fine
08:52<karl-k>karl@karl-macbook:~$ hcitool dev
08:52<karl-k>Devices:
08:52<karl-k> hci0 00:1B:63:4F:AF:32
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08:53<karl-k>whatever i do the mouse seems to only work with the provided usb bt dongle .... grrrr
08:53<llutz>karl-k: doesn't it need to be set in hid-mode when attaching a mouse/keyboard?
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08:54<karl-k># HID daemon
08:54<karl-k>HIDD_ENABLED=10
08:54<tonytraductor>can I mix stable and unstable, say, if I want the latest of some app (ie. icedove in stable won't play with google calendar)? I'm reading the FAQ, and somewhere it mentions mixing repos, but I'm a little unclear on that
08:54<mjk>JFTR -- Using a minimal sources.list didn't help with my KDE deps problems, same messages as in http://paste.debian.net/36766/
08:55<locklace>tonytraductor: "no"
08:55<tonytraductor>stability is important to me, since I work for a living on this machine, but I do want some newer packages, without installing frm source
08:55<tonytraductor>oh...okay
08:55<tonytraductor>thanks locklace
08:55<tonytraductor>so, if I wanted the latest version of a package, I would have to DL and install it by hand
08:55<locklace>tonytraductor: depending on your actual requirements, going with testing might be appropriate for you
08:55<mjk>!tell tonytraductor about apt-pinning
08:55<karl-k>llutz: i set hidd_enabled = 1 in /etc/default/bluetooth, is that what you mean ?
08:56<locklace>tonytraductor: not a great idea as you'll quickly run into dependency problems
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08:56<tonytraductor>from what I'm reading, testing doesn't seem appropriate...it would have to be stable or unstable, I think
08:56<tonytraductor>since, apparently, if testing breaks, fixes take a long time
08:56<locklace>tonytraductor: that's not really true
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08:57<tonytraductor>is dpkg a bot?
08:57<valdyn>tonytraductor: /msg dpkg backports
08:57<mjk>tonytraductor: Yep.
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08:57<tonytraductor>co0l
08:57<karl-k>tonytraductor: I followed this: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html and it works well
08:57<valdyn>tonytraductor: nothing wrong with testing
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08:58<uvvtu>ÍÉÉÉÉ
08:58<valdyn>tonytraductor: fixes for testing are in unstable, and since you would be backporting youd know where and what to get when
08:58<karl-k>any more hints about my bluetooth problem ?
08:58<locklace>tonytraductor: testing is a reasonable choice for a desktop system if you want current packages and don't mind things being a bit rough around the edges at times
08:59<tonytraductor>then perhaps I should consider testing
08:59<tonytraductor>I just don't want to spend time fixing stuff that I should be spending working for a living
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08:59<locklace>tonytraductor: testing lags behind unstable just enough to avoid most critical bugs, and requires that all dependencies be sane
08:59<tonytraductor>okay, then I suppose that does make sense
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09:00<tonytraductor>I kind of like Iceweasel and Icedove
09:00<tonytraductor>I've beenusing seamonkey
09:00<locklace>tonytraductor: if you do go with testing (or even if you go with stable, but especially with testing/unstable), you should absolutely use "aptitude" for your package updates/upgrades
09:00<tonytraductor>but I never use the composer or irc components
09:00<tonytraductor>rather than synaptic
09:01<tonytraductor>or plain vanilla apt
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09:01<locklace>!tell tonytraductor about aptitude
09:01<locklace>!tell tonytraductor about why aptitude
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09:01<tonytraductor>I've never used aptitude, really
09:01<tonytraductor>looked at it once
09:01<karl-k>anyone know what to do when hcitool does not see a bluetooth mouse ?
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09:02<tonytraductor>so, the one question I have is, installation with lenny will be easier than it was with woody?
09:02<locklace>tonytraductor: only you can answer that. it ought to work more smoothly these days as a rule, though
09:03<tonytraductor>I just remember trying to install woody a few years back when I got sick of fedora's yum breaking stuff, and completely failing to get an x server running
09:04<tonytraductor>do I understand there is now a graphical install?
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09:04<tonytraductor>I suppose I can answer that question for myself when the iso download is complete
09:04<tonytraductor>I think I'll try it on a partition on my experimental box, first
09:04<karl-k>hcitool help anyone? if not, where can i go for bluetooth help ?
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09:06<locklace>tonytraductor: x is a lot different these days
09:07<tonytraductor>yeah, when I tried it was still XF85, not Xorg
09:07<tonytraductor>xf86
09:08<tonytraductor>I'm kind of excited about the prospects here
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09:08<tonytraductor>honestly, I've been thinking about switching to debian forever, but since I couldn't get woody to play, stayed with other distros (fedora, pclinuxos, ubuntu) for some time
09:09<tonytraductor>I think I have enough experience now (c. 10 yrs) that I should be able to get Debian to work for me
09:09<locklace>one big change is that it tries to autoconfigure as much as possible, so the recommended way to start off now is actually to have no conf file and only add one if you need to fix or tweak something
09:09<tonytraductor>then I'll feel like a *real* linux users...not some n00b who needs ubuntu to hold my hand, etc.
09:10<locklace>btw, when you hit the installer, make sure you select only the "base" install and not the other options like "desktop"
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09:11<tonytraductor>I'm so excited about swtiching to Debian, I want to throw a party
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09:11<tonytraductor>I get to put my big boy pants on and play with the real men in the linux world
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09:11<tonytraductor>hehehe
09:12<tonytraductor>I wish stable had ion3
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09:12<tonytraductor>I suppose unstable or testing might
09:12*dr|z3d runs.
09:12<tonytraductor>but I noted that stable only had ion2
09:12<locklace>it does have ion3
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09:12<tonytraductor>I saw ion3 docs, but didn't see ion3, when searching synaptic. I did see ion2
09:12<tonytraductor>I kind of like ion3
09:13<locklace>tonytraductor: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ion3
09:13<locklace>you were probably missing "non-free" in your sources.list
09:13<tonytraductor>in truth, I'd prefer xmonad or dwm, but they have issues with java swing guis, and one of my most used work apps (OmegaT, translation software) uses swing
09:14<tonytraductor>ha, look at that...Ion3
09:14<tonytraductor>I'm psyched about being able to install a distro without some gnome or kde bloat
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09:15<locklace>yes, just heed the above comment about the installer
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09:16<Hash-Heesh>I have recently installed Ubuntu using Ext 3 Filesystem and my D: drive is formatted using NTFS. I want Amarok to import files from my D: Drive. Can someone give me a step-by-step guide please?
09:17<dr|z3d>Hash-Heesh: Firstly, wrong channel. Secondly, aptitude install ntfs-config
09:18<tonytraductor>okay, here's a more serious question: I have /home on a separate partition. There are config files in there for my current ubuntu install (incl.,for instance, .aptitude). Will debian overwrite them appropriately?
09:18<dr|z3d>!ubuntu
09:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:19<tonytraductor>when I installed ubuntu over pclos, trying to maintain /home on the separate partition, it didn't work. I ended up formatting the /home partition and restoring from back up
09:19<tonytraductor>of course, as such, I still have configs from my pclos install in there, I think
09:19<llutz>tonytraductor: so it won't work with debian
09:20<tonytraductor>so, I'll have to format the /home and restore from backup again.
09:20<tonytraductor>okay
09:20<tonytraductor>time consuming and a pita, but do-able
09:21<locklace>well, that's probably somewhat extreme
09:21<tonytraductor>I wrote about my experience with the Debian Live here: http://tonytraductor.livejournal.com/123260.html
09:21<locklace>only a small part of /home should really be config files that interfere with the system
09:22<locklace>so a better option would be to move those files/dirs out of the way and then you shouldn't have any trouble with using your /home
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09:22<locklace>some things like user-level $HOME/.aptitude cache directories and the like can just be deleted
09:24<tonytraductor>considering that /home is on a separate partition, how much hdd space would be recommended for / ?
09:25<tonytraductor>you guys are pretty patient...I know I'm asking some silly questions
09:25<tonytraductor>I just feel like I'm finally gearing up to take my training wheels off, after using linux already for 10 years
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09:25<X-LP>theres a fee at the end
09:26<X-LP>:)
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09:28<llutz>tonytraductor: just curiosity: do you believe all that nonsense? debian isn't more or less "l337" as other distros and hadn't it been 10 yrs ago
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09:34<locklace>tonytraductor: depends on how much space you have available and how you want to lay out your partitions
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09:41<tonytraductor>I have a 180gb drive, currently have ubuntu / on 20gb, and the rest (minux swap and /boot) is my /home
09:41<tonytraductor>I suppose I could split that 20gb ubuntu partition in half
09:41<tonytraductor>actually, it's about 25gb
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09:41<mini>heho
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09:42<tonytraductor>then again, I think I'm just going to test on my experimental box, and if I like it, install over ubuntu
09:42<mini>jemand da?
09:43<tonytraductor>yeah, the ubuntu / partition is 26gb, and I'm only using 5gb, even with tonso packages installed
09:43<mini>can enybody help me by the download of debian?
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09:43<azeem>mini: what is your question?
09:43<tonytraductor>mini: what? buy the download? it's FREE
09:43<mini>yes
09:44<mini>and i dont know waht version i must load
09:44<tonytraductor>although it sure is taking a long time...
09:44<mini>i have a server with 2 pentium III
09:44<tonytraductor>the livecd DLed in less than 2 minutes
09:44<tonytraductor>but the deb/xfce/lxde install disk is taking hours...
09:45<tonytraductor>mini: stable
09:45<mini>yes
09:45<mini>its everytime a choose between [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch]
09:45<shamanix>lenny --> stable. squeeze --> testing, sid --> expirimental (don't download sid unless you like sadomazo)
09:45<mini>what must i load?
09:45<shamanix>since you have PIII, its i386
09:45<mini>ahh
09:45<mini>ok
09:46<mini>thanks
09:46<mini>i will try it
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09:46<dr|z3d>mini: i386 refers to 32bit intel/amd systems.
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09:47<dr|z3d>mini: So if you wanted a 32bit Debian for your quadcore, you'd still go for i386. Just so you know :)
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09:50<pawel>how to do something if variable is not empty?
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09:51<azeem>pawel: this channel is not for programming advice
09:52<pawel>I mean in bash.
09:52<azeem>-> #bash
09:52<azeem>maybe on freenode
09:52<pawel>ok
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09:53<jackyf>shamanix: not true; sid is not experimental :), sid is just unstable
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09:55<shamanix>oops
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10:05<mini>have anybody knowledge to a LSI SCSI Controller
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10:20<sge_>hello
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10:21<sge_>is anyone here?
10:22<shamanix>yep
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10:22<sge_>do you know any light web browser?
10:22<dr|z3d>sge_: Are you in gnome or kde?
10:23<sge_>ion3
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10:23<dr|z3d>Is that qt or gtk based?
10:23<shamanix>Opera if your not against propriatary, dillo if your really low on resources
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10:24<dr|z3d>There are better options, shamanix :)
10:24<shamanix>just don't say firefox
10:24<dr|z3d>I'm still trying to work out what toolkit sge_'s using.
10:24<dr|z3d>He said "light".
10:24*dr|z3d smiles.
10:24<shamanix>lynx :-)
10:24<dr|z3d>Ok, sge_'s obviously not going to tell us what toolkit his de uses, so..
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10:25<azeem>dr|z3d: he said ion3
10:25<DoZeR>People please help me!! when I install openvpn package configure: checking for OpenSSL Crypto Library and Header files...
10:25<DoZeR>checking openssl/evp.h usability... no
10:25<DoZeR>checking openssl/evp.h presence... no
10:25<DoZeR>checking for openssl/evp.h... no
10:25<DoZeR>configure: error: OpenSSL Crypto headers not found.
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10:25<dr|z3d>sge_: Try midori or kazehakase
10:25<dr|z3d>azeem: He did.. I'm not familiar with that, and I'm assuming it's a de, and not a toolkit.
10:25<azeem>dr|z3d: so do some research?
10:25<azeem>apt-cache show ion3 | grep Depends
10:26<azeem>you need non-free on
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10:26<azeem>people are not using "toolkits"
10:26*dr|z3d laughs at azeem.
10:26<tonytraductor>why is downloading this iso taking so darned long?
10:26<azeem>tonytraductor: wrong mirror?
10:26<tonytraductor>maybe
10:26<dr|z3d>Hey, it was a genuine question. What toolkit determines what recommendations.
10:26<azeem>tonytraductor: maybe you picked the blue-ray disc image by accident?
10:26<DoZeR> People please help me!! when I install openvpn package configure: checking for OpenSSL Crypto Library and Header files...checking openssl/evp.h usability... no checking openssl/evp.h presence... no checking for openssl/evp.h... no configure: error: OpenSSL Crypto headers not found.
10:27<tonytraductor>I am DLing from the link at lxde.org for the deb/lxde/xfce iso
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10:27<shamanix>tonytraductor, I downloaded that from torrent, maybe that would be faster
10:27<tonytraductor>because I want the lxde desktop
10:27<azeem>tonytraductor: maybe try the links at cdimage.debian.org?
10:27<gsimmons>DoZeR: Uh, why aren't you using the openvpn package?
10:27<shamanix>lxde roxxorz
10:27<jackyf>DoZeR: install from repository
10:27<tonytraductor>I'll try that
10:27<tonytraductor>I mean, the full ubuntu disc dled in like two minutes
10:27<tonytraductor>so this can't be right...taking forever
10:27<tonytraductor>I have a fast connection
10:28<azeem>tonytraductor: look, if the server is in australia...
10:28<shamanix>because everyone and there grandma is downloading ubuntu :-)
10:28<dr|z3d>shamanix: You're missing the point. He said downloading Ubuntu was _fast_ :P
10:28<DoZeR>I m download but when install say configure: error: OpenSSL Crypto headers not found.
10:29<azeem>DoZeR: get the development package
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10:30<tonytraductor>oh yeah...the torrent says it should take about 2 minutes
10:30<tonytraductor>much better
10:30<tonytraductor>probably everyone and their uncle's dog is downloading debian, really
10:30<tonytraductor>since debian is better
10:31<tonytraductor>I'm so psyched to finally be making the decision to jump on board here
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10:31<shamanix>thats how I got my copy :-) was pretty fast even on my 768k connection
10:31<tonytraductor>you may have surmised, that, depsite using Linux for nearly a decade, I'm far from an expert
10:31<locklace>tonytraductor: you are getting the netinst iso right
10:31<tonytraductor>I just finally started learning to write my own bash scripts and do some tcl/tk hacking about 18 months ago
10:32<tonytraductor>no, I'm getting the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/bt-cd/debian-501-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent
10:32<locklace>"bash scripts" ... jesus wept
10:32<locklace>tonytraductor: ok. well, netinst is a better way to go really, for several reasons. one is that it's much smaller
10:32<tonytraductor>which is also when I stopped wasting my time with kde
10:33<tonytraductor>have used fluxbox, openbox, dwm and ion3 since
10:33<azeem>locklace: getting the CD1 is not bad though
10:33<locklace>azeem: no, not bad
10:33<azeem>if people already started downloading it, there's no point in argueing
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10:33<tonytraductor>why...would it be better to get the netinst?
10:33<tonytraductor>that's not going to install gnome by default or something is it?
10:34<locklace>tonytraductor: the netinst is very small, and downloads just the packages you need from the net automatically during your install.
10:34<jthomas>depends if you tell it to do a desktop with the install
10:34<locklace>tonytraductor: and since, as we discussed, you're going to pick only the "base" install, that package set is fairly small.
10:34<jthomas>you have various 'roles' that you can pick at install; the Desktop option installs Gnome. I don't think there is one for KDE (which sucks IMHO but you don't seem to want that either)
10:34<tonytraductor>I'm a little wary of trying to do something that will require too many decisions on my part...
10:34<azeem>locklace: I thought he wanted LXDE?
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10:35<azeem>jthomas: he's downloading the LXDE image
10:35<aardvarX>i know someone who was trying to dl the lxde cd the other day, and they said it was taking forever too.
10:35<tonytraductor>On the one hand, I don't want Ubuntu holding myhand anymore, but there are some things I won't know how to do without a bit of handholding, like my network connection
10:35<jthomas>but he asked what the netinstall would give him
10:35<tonytraductor>the torrent is coming along nicely
10:35<tonytraductor>less than a minute to go
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10:36<azeem>looks like the links on lxde.org are for taiwaneese servers
10:36<jthomas>tonytraductor most networks used dhcp for getting an address, which will run itself at boot and likely you'll be fine.
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10:36<shamanix>yeah the programmer of lxde is some taiwanese huy
10:36<shamanix>guy
10:36<tonytraductor>maybe I should try the netinst
10:36<azeem>tonytraductor: please go for the CD1
10:37<azeem>now that you're halfway through
10:37<tonytraductor>yeah, the cd1 is almost all here, already
10:37<locklace>tonytraductor: apart from being smaller, the point of the netinst+"base"-option is this: you will get a minimal system, so you can see what that is and means, and you will then have the opportunity to install precisely the packages you want yourself, from the commandline, which is both simple and a good learning experience.
10:37<tonytraductor>yeah, that does appeal to me, in truth
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10:37<azeem>locklace: which may or may not be a good idea for new users
10:38<tonytraductor>I mean, my main reason for moving away from ubuntu is so much unnecessary bloat gets installed by default
10:38<tonytraductor>like compiz
10:38<tonytraductor>why would I need compiz?
10:38<locklace>azeem: i've been talking to tonytraductor over the course of a few hours now and stand by my recommendation in his case
10:38<tonytraductor>I work on this machine, not entertain teenagers
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10:38<azeem>fine then
10:39<tonytraductor>I had, briefly, considered trying to install Arch, which, unless I'm mistaken, would require that I do some kind of netinstall and do everything by hand
10:39<locklace>tonytraductor: arch is entirely netinstall-based, and overall a lot less polished
10:39<shamanix>never really understud what the hype is with all those fancy effects, I even criticised and disabled them back in early WinXP days
10:40<tonytraductor>burning iso now
10:40<locklace>tonytraductor: it's a decent system, but it's much younger and more seat-of-the-pants than debian
10:40<tonytraductor>that's why I decided on Debian
10:40<tonytraductor>Debian has been around forever, and isn't going anywhere
10:40<tonytraductor>I've watched other distros come and go, but Debian has always been here
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10:41<tonytraductor>tried and true
10:41<azeem>same with suse and redhat
10:41<locklace>tonytraductor: anyway, i suppose you can probably also pick the "base" install from that iso you downloaded (not sure), or just go with the whole lxde bundle if you want
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10:41<llutz>and slack and some other
10:41<tonytraductor>I used redhat then fedora for my first 7 years of linux use
10:42<shamanix>locklace: the iso is base+default lxde install + offers netinst if needed
10:42<shamanix>AFAIK
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10:44<tonytraductor>ok, I'm going to go install it over xubuntu on a partition on my experimental box while I back up /home on this one
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10:46<shamanix>the best part for me is that debian+lxde eats half as much ram as say ubuntu or mint did, now my 256 machine runs rather well
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10:48<shamanix>never thought I can have 10 tabs open in my browser, use torrent, use im (kopete), keep a file manager or 2 opened, play music, etc at the same time with 256 ram, and it rearly swaps
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10:50*arw hello folks
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10:50<DoZeR>who know how install openvpn????
10:50<Lin>is there a good place to find latest kvm for debian lenny (as a debian package)?
10:51<locklace>Lin: aptitude install kvm
10:51<Lin>locklace: that is not the latest, lenny is on 74 latest is 86 (afaik)
10:51<locklace>judd versions kvm
10:51<judd>locklace: kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1 lenny: 72+dfsg-5~lenny1 sid: 72+dfsg-5 squeeze: 72+dfsg-5 experimental: 85+dfsg-3
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10:51<locklace>Lin: experimental. good luck
10:52<Lin>not 74, 72.. you're right judd.
10:52<Lin>locklace: i was looking for a backport, not a complete twist on my system.
10:52<bigeasy>latest kvm ist not in sid, is exp only
10:53<Lin>lenny backports has no kvm ;-)
10:53<Lin>bigeasy: is there any known third part repository?
10:53<Lin>known and trusted (as marillat ;-)
10:54<jackyf>DoZeR: aptitude install openvpn
10:55<tonytraductor>I didn't se US-Intl (alt) as a keyboard layout option. (using graphical install with lxde). Is that something I can change after install?
10:55<tonytraductor>I kind of need that layout, since I type in three languages
10:55<tonytraductor>four languagesm, sorry
10:55<tonytraductor>English, Portuguese, Spanish, and French
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10:56<tonytraductor>so I need to do ç é ô, ñ, etc.
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10:57<DoZeR>aptitude install openvpn ------- this command not
10:57<tonytraductor>huh...it asked me for a domain name...I thought that should be automagic with dhcp
10:57<DoZeR>aptitude install openvpn -- not run say not found
10:58<dr|z3d>DoZeR: Try apt-cache search openvpn
10:58<azeem>I don't think dhcp does domainname by default
10:58<bigeasy>Lin: not I would know about it.
10:59<DoZeR>apt-cache search openvpn --- empty not run
10:59<azeem>DoZeR: pastebin the content of /etc/apt/sources.list
10:59<azeem>!pastebin
10:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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10:59<shamanix>tonytraductor, i just leaft it empty, since the domain name on my router is also empty
11:00<tonytraductor>well, it seemed to pick up the domain name from my router, but I supposedly have a dynamic ip from my isp, so I know that can change
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11:01<Lin>bigeasy: ty .. ty all! =D
11:01<shamanix>domain name is used inside lan only i think, the internet (wan) connection should need that
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11:02<shamanix>oops shouldn't
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11:07<shamanix>speaking of routers can anyone explain or point me to some site that explains how to set up a home network (3 pcs) with a router, all the guides google finds are for setting up an internet connection, which I've figured out a long long time ago by myself.
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11:08<locklace>shamanix: your comment about domain name doesn't make sense
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11:08<locklace>shamanix: and to set up a home network you don't need a router, a switch or even a hub will suffice
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11:09<tonytraductor>I just have all of my machines sharing the internet through the router, and use ssh and sshfs to access stuff from one to another
11:09<locklace>shamanix: once you have a switch/hub, setting up the network is a triviality: you plug your computers into the switch and give their network interfaces ip addresses on the same subnet. done.
11:09<shamanix>locklace, I know but since I have a router already, might as well put it to good use
11:09<locklace>shamanix: uh, no. not only do you not need routing for a lan, it's inappropriate for one by definition.
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11:10<locklace>shamanix: the only way you can make use of your router is if it happens to provide an integrated switch (many do).
11:10<shamanix>I think it does
11:10<shamanix>I'll check the manual just to be sure
11:11<locklace>shamanix: so for the "lan" part of the network, i.e. the bit not related to internet access, what i said above applies, and your router box is just playing the role of a switch.
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11:11<locklace>shamanix: if it has 4-5 ethernet ports on the back, it does.
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11:11<shamanix>5 ethernet ports
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11:11<locklace>right. so whatever you plug into those ports is connected at layer 2.
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11:14<bja>How do I check what program is connected to port 143 ?
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11:15<locklace>netstat -p
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11:16<shamanix>AFAIK port 143 is probably IMAP
11:16<locklace>no probably about it
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11:16<locklace>specifically, imap2
11:16<bja>shamanix: it is imap, but i don't remember setting up an imap server on my lap
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11:17<locklace>bja: hax!
11:18<bja>??
11:18<shamanix>hope its not some spam bot
11:19<bja>shamanix: No one can spam through the firewall but the mail server. And the firewall would mail me directly if i do any spam, I don't trust my machines :)
11:20<shamanix>noone should :-)
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11:27<tonytraductor>okay, anyone with experience with the graphical installation?
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11:27<tonytraductor>I have erased data from a partition, but in the graphical disk partition part, it is not allowing me to edit the "Use as:" field
11:28<tonytraductor>I want to tell it to use that partition in question as /, but it just says "Do not use"
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11:29<tonytraductor>it erased the partition, but won't let me choose it to be /
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11:30<tonytraductor>ah...nevermind, I'm going to use the whole disk
11:30<tonytraductor>if it works nice on the experimental box, I'll do the same on my production box
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11:31<tonytraductor>I only had a xubuntu install on there, anyway, and no important data
11:31<tonytraductor>it was a fresh install
11:31<shamanix>is there a way to tell make to use different gcc version, without having to edit the makefile?
11:33<locklace>"CC=my-gcc make ...", etc.
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11:40<BKLong>hi
11:40<tonytraductor>hmmmm....why did it ask me for distinct root and user passwords? my understanding (admittedly from using ubuntu) was that being the first user, I would be automagically added to sudo group, and my user password was all that was required
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11:40<ml|>tonytraductor: not in debian
11:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 423] by debhelper
11:41<tonytraductor>ok, so when I do sudo, I will use the root password
11:41<ml|>no sudo by default
11:41<cahoot>no
11:41<tonytraductor>that makes more sense to me, seems more secure, rather than having only one password
11:41<tonytraductor>no sudo?
11:41<ml|>tonytraductor: you use su
11:41<tonytraductor>debian uses su
11:41<tonytraductor>ah, okay
11:41<cahoot>you can use sudo too
11:41<tonytraductor>why did I think the whole "sudo" concept used in ubuntu came from debian, then?
11:41<ml|>you can install sudo and use it if you like
11:42<tonytraductor>nah, ubu is the only distro I've ever used that had sudo
11:42<cahoot>you just have to set it up
11:42<pi_>hey guys. sshd problem: I've uncommented the line to change the port number in ssh_config and also restarted the server (/etc/init.d/ssh restart) but it doesn't work still. i need to connect to debian via port 22 and not the port number i've specified in the config. what gives?
11:42<tonytraductor>I prefer a distinct su/root acct, in all truth
11:42<tonytraductor>that's what I was used to from fedora and pclinuxos
11:42<ml|>tonytraductor: nothing to do them, I do use sudo for shutdown only
11:42<cahoot>pi_: sshd_config
11:42<tonytraductor>I never understood the whole notion that sudo was more secure or something
11:43<pi_>cahoot, yes that's right
11:43<cahoot>pi_: you wrote ssh_config - which one is it?
11:43<pi_>cahoot, typo. sshd_config
11:43<pi_>there is no ssh_config
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11:45<ml|>pi_: in /etc/ssh/ there is
11:45<pi_>oops
11:45<pi_>let me check
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11:45<cahoot>pi_: well it it sshd_config you want anyway
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11:46<ml|>right, make sure you are editing the correct file
11:46<pi_>ml| and cahoot: yes, you're definitely right. i made the edit in ssh_config!
11:46<ml|>ah
11:46<pi_>greatly embarassed. many thanks
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11:46<ml|>the d is hard to miss
11:47<pi_>what is the difference between ssh_config and sshd_config?
11:47<ml|>;)
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11:47<ml|>sshd for server ssh client
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11:48<jeremiah>Yeah, sshd is the deamon that listens. ssh is the secure shell client
11:48<pi_>ah. thanks again.
11:48<pi_>so setting a different port number in ssh_config will connect to a remote server using the port number i've set in ssh_config by default?
11:49<jeremiah>It will inform the _client_ to use that port.
11:49<jeremiah>If there is nothing listening on that port, nothing happens
11:49<ml|>right
11:50<jeremiah>You can also set the port on the command line, with -p
11:50<pi_>ah. i understand now. thanks.
11:50<ml|>the default port is 22
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11:51<ml|>but if sshd is to open to the net it is best to use something else
11:51<pi_>yes, that's why i'm editing sshd_config =). restarting the server via ssh doesn't disconnect me, is that normal?
11:51<pi_>i mean restarting sshd
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11:52<jeremiah>Yeah, if you haev a sshd process listening at home for example, you'll find tons of bots hitting it trying to brute force your server
11:52<jeremiah>But they are gerenally harmless if you have strong passwords
11:52<pi_>yeah, i'm also installing fail2ban
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11:52<ml|>it might disconnect you don't remmeber
11:52<pi_>it doesn't. and it works fine!
11:52<ml|>pi_: use keys if that is what you are doing
11:53<jeremiah>Yeah, keys are the way to go.
11:53<jeremiah>They offer much more security as well.
11:53<ml|>use keys even locally
11:53<jeremiah>Since you can turn off passwords
11:53<ml|>yes in sshd_config
11:54<kooll>the best thing isn't to change port, but to use decent passwords or keys.
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11:54<kooll>changing port is nice to have less logs about failed attemps
11:54<ml|>whatever you do don't share your private key
11:54<pi_>thanks. i have this rather informative wiki page from centos as a reference: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Network/SecuringSSH
11:55<jeremiah>ew, centos? That's like Red Hat.
11:55*jeremiah turns up his nose.
11:55*jeremiah prefers debian :)
11:55*pi_ prefers debian too ;)
11:55<ml|>lol
11:56<jeremiah>;)
11:57<pi_>http://people.debian.org/~neilm/grolsch/grolsch-debian-open.gif =)
11:58<ml|>this one might help too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AdvancedOpenSSH
11:59<ml|>hehe
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11:59<shamanix>nice pic
11:59<pi_>ml|, thanks. will have a look at it
11:59<ml|>np
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12:00<tonytraductor>here, I made a nice debian wallpaper to go with me 1st real debian system: http://www.linguasos.org/bsoft/debolive.png
12:00<shamanix>I should print this out as a sticker and put it on my computer case or something
12:00<ml|>yeah does look nice
12:01<sylarrr>diff without following links?
12:01<sylarrr>just comparing the symlink as a file?
12:01<sylarrr>is there a way to do it?
12:02<tonytraductor>now booting me spiffy new deb install on my experimental box
12:02<ml|>!congratulate tonytraductor
12:02<dpkg>Huzzah tonytraductor, you did it!
12:03<tonytraductor>well...looks like I did
12:03<shamanix>!like
12:03<dpkg>like, totally radical, like duh, no way shamanix
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12:03<ml|>hah
12:04<tonytraductor>it's purty
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12:04<bja>What happened to judd?
12:04<ml|>bja: went home ;)
12:04<bja>ml|: You killed her :( buaa
12:04<ml|>lol
12:05<ml|>!gender
12:05<dpkg>I'm lesbian
12:05<ml|>:O
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12:05<azeem>ml|: please /msg the bot
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12:05<jeremiah>Typical
12:05<bja>ml|: !tell bja versions sshd
12:05<jeremiah>judd versions lintian
12:05<jeremiah>judd versions kvm
12:05<ml|>bja: lol
12:06<bja>jeremiah: ml| killed judd buaahha
12:06<jeremiah>aww.
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12:06<bja>snif snif
12:06<jeremiah>:-(
12:06<ml|>haha, did not
12:07<jeremiah>Somebody done kilt it.
12:07<cahoot>isn't there a #debian-chat or such?
12:07<jeremiah>We don't chat in debian - just serious discussion.
12:07<jeremiah>:P
12:07<dr|z3d>cahoot: #debian-offtopic
12:08<dr|z3d>cahoot: or #moocows if you really want to lose it.
12:08<cahoot>seems underused
12:08<azeem>it's more used on the other network AIUI
12:08<bja>Seriously I need to know sshd versions on debian, any othere way besides judd?
12:08<cahoot>pdo?
12:08<azeem>bja: packages.debian.rog/openssh-server
12:08<azeem>org*
12:09<bja>azeem: thx
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12:09<sge_>hello
12:09<ml|>or http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
12:09<sge_>help plezzzzzzz
12:10<azeem>!ask
12:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:10<shamanix>!ask
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12:12<sge_>all work good but now now when i try to update aptitude he wrote that some repositores dont update becose NO_PUBKEY
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12:13<dr|z3d>sge_: You need to add those to synaptic's authentication section, once you've found them.
12:13<dr|z3d>sge_: You can copy and paste the gpg key into a text file, save, and import.
12:13<ml|>sge_: or install it if it's in aptitude
12:14<dr|z3d>sge_: Also, note that repositories without a key _will_ update fine, you'll just see constant warnings.
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12:14<shamanix>look for packages with keyring in the name
12:15<sge_>were i can take gpg key?
12:15<ml|>sge_: what key does ask for
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12:17<sge_>how to install this key in aptitude?
12:17<shamanix>if its the multimedia or backports repository downloading reponamehere keyring or something like that will usually do the trick
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12:17<ml|>the multimedia key can be installed in aptitude
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12:19<ml|>sge_: what key does it ask for
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12:20<sge_>NO_PUBKEY 033431536A423791
12:21<ml|>sge_: paste the full output to a pastebin
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12:25<sge_>W: GPG error: http://mirror.yandex.ru etch Realese:(text on russian like next packeges cant read, becouse no open key): NO_PUBKEY
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12:27<ml|>sge_: might be better to ask in #debian-russian on freenode
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12:30<amphi>!tell sge_ -about etch key
12:30<azeem>is sge_ running etch? oh my
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12:31<sney>sge_: download the .asc file and apt-key add it
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12:33<Lin>ppl. I got this card (intel quad gigabit ethernet controller ) connected in my debian server, seems a PCI express card, but is larger than a PCI-X 1x connector, then I have connected it on a pci-x 16x connector, my debian didn't find it on lspci, my questions are: which board is that? (i cant see the chipset, is covered with a heatsync). can I connect this card on a 16x pci-x bus? if dont which bus should I use (it wont fit a 1x bus). (ca
12:33<Lin>rd images can be seen here: http://200.142.97.206/card/ )
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12:35<bja>Is there a way to get the version directly from an ssh server?
12:35<Lin>bja: telnet IP 22
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12:36<bja>Lin: thx
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12:38<tonytraductor>I got a "Disabling IRQ #11" message on the new deb install...is that bad?
12:38<sney>Lin: it is a pci-e 4x connector
12:38<sney>it should work in the 16x slot
12:38<tonytraductor>I've googled a bit, but am still not clear on what that can mean
12:38<sney>if it isn't then something else is wrong
12:38<azeem>tonytraductor: when do you get it?
12:38<tonytraductor>I just got it while installing some stuff with synaptic
12:38<tonytraductor>but the stuff is still installing
12:38<tonytraductor>doesn't seem to have affected anything
12:38<azeem>got it on the console?
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12:39<tonytraductor>yeah, I had a console window open, and that's where I received it
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12:39<sney>also lin make sure you understand it's pci-e not pci-x. pci-x is something different and much older, and you'll find a lot of old school server guys around here who won't tolerate the mixup
12:39<tonytraductor>I wasn't doing anything in that console at the time
12:39<azeem>tonytraductor: sounds like a misplaced kernel message
12:39<Lin>sney: dont even appear in post card list.. that is bad =/ ok I will call them pci-e from now. s/pci-x/pci-e/g
12:39<azeem>tonytraductor: if you want you can make the kernel even less chatty on the console by editing /etc/default/klogd or so I think
12:40<tonytraductor>but, should I be alarmed? or is it really nothing important?
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12:40<azeem>tonytraductor: I wouldn't worry until it happens all the time
12:40<tonytraductor>I read I could turn of IRQ debugging, too, but is it good to disable debugging and kernel msgs if they're trying to tell me something I need to know?
12:40<tonytraductor>oh, ok
12:40<shamanix>what is using irq 11?
12:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 432] by debhelper
12:41<azeem>tonytraductor: they get logged by syslog/klogd anyway
12:41<tonytraductor>I don't even know what IRQ 11 is
12:41<tonytraductor>so, if I needed to know, I could check the logs
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12:42<azeem>banck@blitzen:~$ grep
12:42<azeem>bah
12:42<azeem>grep 11 /proc/interrupts
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12:42<Mikey^>there is no qq
12:42<Mikey^>there is no 11
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12:43<shamanix>for me irq 11 is the gpu, that would be bad, but that varies from pc to pc
12:43<Mikey^>atleast on my system
12:43<azeem>Mikey^: I wasn't talking to you
12:43<Mikey^>azeem, I know :-)
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13:06<the_ultimate_samurai>anyone here know much about c++ programming...namely programming on an smp wih pthreads?
13:06<tonytraductor>that's cute...the little "do you understand that this versions is not supported by the author" message while installing ion3
13:06<tonytraductor>I like ion3, but, I hate to say, the author kind of strikes me as a jerk
13:06<azeem>yep
13:06<tonytraductor>why somebody doesn't split off from the project I don't know
13:06<azeem>Debian had lots of trouble with him, thus why ion3 ended up in non-free
13:06<tonytraductor>if I were any kind of a real hacker, I would play with it
13:07<tonytraductor>the underlying code from pwm3 etc is all gpl, though, no?
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13:07<cahoot>haven't they all left for awesome?
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13:07<tonytraductor>I couldn't get awesome to work on my ubu system
13:07<tonytraductor>no response to the keyboard
13:08<tonytraductor>I used dwm for a bit, and tried xmonad, but java swing guis don't work in dwm or xmonad (java bug, not dwm or xmonad bug)
13:08<the_ultimate_samurai>ok so i have a problem...i have a program ive made to test multithreading on an smp (dual core) i made first a single thread and timed how long it took to add the primes of all numbers from 1 to 1 billion
13:08<the_ultimate_samurai>that was 18 seconds
13:08<the_ultimate_samurai>then i did the same using 2 threads
13:08<tonytraductor>and my most used work app, OmegaT CAT translation program, uses java swing guis
13:08<the_ultimate_samurai>and it came to 34 seconds
13:08<bja>tonytraductor: I think he just feels overwhelmed
13:08<cahoot>tonytraductor: a true PEBCAK defense
13:08<the_ultimate_samurai>doing the same work with 2 processors took twice as long as with one
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13:09<the_ultimate_samurai>any clue why this would be?
13:09<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: I'm no expert, but i think there is an overhead when you use multithreading in an smp
13:09<the_ultimate_samurai>i tested that it IS running on both cores...
13:10<tonytraductor>then again, it does seem like 90% of linux users want the nauseating, bloated, chaotic, eyecandy laden mess of kde, gnome, compiz
13:10<the_ultimate_samurai>what overhead?
13:10<tonytraductor>so the actual number of people using ion3 must be pretty small...meaning, who would be interested in working ont he project?
13:10<the_ultimate_samurai>i also used forks and got the same time
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13:11<tonytraductor>cahoot: java swing can't identify the wm in dwm or xmonad, so doesn't know how to render the guis, or something, from what I'm told
13:11<the_ultimate_samurai>i thought maybe it would be a memory issue, since forks clone the memory i expected this should fix it
13:11<the_ultimate_samurai>but it still took as long
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13:11<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: Told you I'm not an expert, I believe there are a few articles on Linux Journal that talk about multithreading in multicore machines
13:11<the_ultimate_samurai>linuxjournel.org?
13:12<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: Just google it
13:12*the_ultimate_samurai checks
13:12<cahoot>tonytraductor: well afte years of fvwm, *box etc I've fallen to the gnome depths - quite content too
13:12<buzan>hello i have a question can some help my? debian started only in mode like DOS is its normaly or have i install it false ?
13:13<bja>!tell buzan about ask
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13:13<cahoot>buzan: didn't install xorg?
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13:14<buzan>? i'm new in these therms
13:15<pi_>does mesg defaults to y(es) for all normal users in debian?
13:15<incal>hello, I have recently had a strange gfx bug when i resize windows, what do you think? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.16666.png
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13:16<buzan>i have download a i-net version but after the install and reboot ist show like DOS but i think that it have a look like windows where i can work with mouse . . .
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13:16<buzan>or must i type some command in the dos mode to join it ?
13:16<valdyn>buzan: nah, it looks like that
13:17<valdyn>buzan: everything is fine
13:18<bja>buzan: You don't speak English right?
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13:18<buzan>right i speak better german
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13:18<bja>buzan: #debian.de
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13:18<buzan>ok thx
13:18<bja>buzan: You will feel more comfortable there
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13:18<cahoot>on freenode?
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13:19<bja>cahoot: Nop here in oftc
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13:20<valdyn>the_ultimate_samurai: this is silly to discuss without seeing your algorithm, which likely isnt doing what you think it does anyway
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13:20<bja>valdyn: The guy just doesn't have a clue how multithreading works or how does smp works.
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13:23<bja>valdyn: It is well known that more processors or cores will not make a programm run faster.
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13:25<tonytraductor>well...my daughter is now playing on the new debian install on my experimental box...
13:25<bja>valdyn: Didn't know you spoke german :)
13:25<tonytraductor>I think I'm about to take the plunge and install on my main production box
13:25<bja>tonytraductor: How old is she and what is she playing
13:26<adama>when I double-click a JPG file it tries to open with "mplayer"... how do I change this?
13:26<bja>??
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13:26<incal>what do you think of the video bug, is it metacity, GNOME, what do I do?
13:26<cahoot>adama: what dm?
13:26<tonytraductor>she is 10, and at the moment is just browsing around the internet with iceweasel
13:26<tonytraductor>I installed xfce desktop for her, too
13:26<adama>gnome, squueze
13:26<tonytraductor>she's playing online games
13:26<cahoot>adama: right click - open with?
13:26<tonytraductor>I wonder if she's going to need me to install a flash plugin or something
13:27<adama>cahoot: yes, that works but I want to change the default
13:27<bja>tonytraductor: thx
13:27<tonytraductor>she's grown up using linux
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13:27<tonytraductor>her first computer game was ktuberling
13:27<tonytraductor>:)
13:27<tonytraductor>raiser her right, I did!
13:27<adama>:)
13:28<cahoot>adama: some setting in gconf-editor?
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13:29<adama>cahoot: nope no mplayer found in there
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13:30<tonytraductor>yep.... this gnash will function as a flash plugin for iceweasel?
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13:30<the_ultimate_samurai>hmm i dont see anything about overhead with smps and threads
13:30<the_ultimate_samurai>actually i see things about fixing older overheads with smps
13:30<adama>tonytraductor: I recommend adobe flash
13:31<the_ultimate_samurai>namely the global runqueue
13:32<the_ultimate_samurai>i just dont understand this...its completely counterintuitive
13:32<the_ultimate_samurai>2 cpus doing the same workload as 1 cpu should do the job in half the time (roughly) not twice the time
13:34<the_ultimate_samurai>hell technically each cpu is only doing half the work of the previous single cpu
13:34<the_ultimate_samurai>i should expect anywhere from half the time to an equal time...not twice the time
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13:34<bja>tonytraductor: thx
13:35<adama>I can't find anything in nautilus to set the default program to open files either...
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13:35<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: It all dependes on the algorithm you are using, the one you presented needs a lot of work to have it parallelized
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13:36<the_ultimate_samurai>i just have one doing the numbers 1-500 million and the other doing 500million and 1 through 1 billion
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13:37<the_ultimate_samurai>i actually got this idea from the beowulf howto (which obviously is made for distributed parallelism but its the same basic concept)
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13:38<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: Can't help you there you'll have to wait
13:39<the_ultimate_samurai>...well i appriciate the try
13:39<the_ultimate_samurai>its hard as hell to get help on this problem
13:40<llutz>adama: right-click on file, properties - open with
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13:43<adama>llutz: thank you!
13:43<adama>stupid mplayer... jpegs are for EOG!
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13:44<cahoot>hardly mplayers fault
13:44<adama>yeah I dunno how that got set
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13:45<adama>pebcak I suppose
13:45<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: Have you tried with a really long sequence, one that at least is 2 min long
13:46<tonytraductor>why do I see "sakura" all over pkg labels, but no sakura terminal emulator
13:46<tonytraductor>I like that terminal emulator
13:46<tonytraductor>install tonso games for my daughter now
13:46<the_ultimate_samurai>wee...to add even more confusion to an already confusing problem...i ran the single threaded one at the same time as the multi-threaded one...and got the same time...but running the multithreaded one alone gives 40 seconds
13:46<the_ultimate_samurai>bja: long sequence?
13:47<the_ultimate_samurai>>.> i thought the sum of sqrts from 1 to 1 billion WAS a long sequence
13:48<the_ultimate_samurai>(when i say same time above i mean both ran the same amount of time)
13:48<the_ultimate_samurai>16 seconds
13:48<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: 16 seconds is a blaze
13:49<the_ultimate_samurai>i dont really care how fast it is...i care that the multithreaded solution works FASTER than the single threaded solution
13:49<the_ultimate_samurai>which would be what one would expect
13:49<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: try this, compress a file that at least has 12M already compressed, on gzip format
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13:49<the_ultimate_samurai>?
13:50<the_ultimate_samurai>why's this?
13:50<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: Then decompress it and recompress it with bz2, using two consoles , if you have 2 files would be better
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13:50<bja>So you can check for yourself that multitasking alone can improve the speed of conversions
13:50<the_ultimate_samurai>im more concerned with programming...
13:51<the_ultimate_samurai>im sure load balancing works fine
13:51<the_ultimate_samurai>...load balancing...
13:52<the_ultimate_samurai>>.> thats why they had the same time when i ran them both together
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13:52<the_ultimate_samurai>the multi-threaded program only ran on one cpu...
13:52<bja>the_ultimate_samurai:
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13:52<the_ultimate_samurai>because both programs were running at the same time
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13:52*bja looks how the_ultimate_samurai recieves enlightment
13:53<the_ultimate_samurai>well that clears up that confusion...but i still have the confusion of why its not running faster with 2 cpus
13:53<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: On cellbe you have to tell explicitly which processor does what.
13:53<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: Because it is running in sequence
13:53<the_ultimate_samurai>cell runs notably different from an smp
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13:54<the_ultimate_samurai>with the cellbe you explicitly set it to the spus
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13:54<the_ultimate_samurai>they are not independant cores like an smp
13:54<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: If you have 2 processors and you don't specify what goes where it tends to be run in one single cpu
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13:54<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: And it has more to do with kernel assigning you the cpu
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13:55<the_ultimate_samurai>actually on an smp the kernel load balances the threads so each goes to a sepperate cpu
13:55<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: I repeat, I'm no expert
13:55<the_ultimate_samurai>also before i explicitly told it to go to a certain cpu
13:55<the_ultimate_samurai>but i removed it to see if the kernel would do it automatically
13:55<tonytraductor>there's no sound on the system I just installed
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13:55<tonytraductor>do I have to configure the soundcard by hand?
13:55<the_ultimate_samurai>thats why when i ran the two together both threads ran on one cpu
13:56<the_ultimate_samurai>bja: im no expert myself..im just learning all this
13:56<the_ultimate_samurai>thats why i made the program
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13:56<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: :)
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13:57<the_ultimate_samurai>this does say one thing...with only one core...a multi-threaded application runs as fast...if not even slightly faster..than a single threaded application
13:58<the_ultimate_samurai>...doing the same work
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13:58<the_ultimate_samurai>but i would expect half the time for 2 cores...
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14:00<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: What have you been reading about smp, sounds interesting?
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14:01<Haxson>Question: Running Sid I've been holding off dist-upgrade for some time since apt says it's gonna remove, among other stuff, kde-core and konqueror. This has been the case for at least a couple months now. Should I wait longer or perform the upgrade or is my system completely messed up?
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14:01<the_ultimate_samurai>much time spent poring over man pages, google pages, and pages on parallel programming and distributed parallel programming
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14:02<the_ultimate_samurai>check the beowulf howto
14:02<the_ultimate_samurai>very interesting
14:02<the_ultimate_samurai>and links to other sites on parallel programming
14:02<the_ultimate_samurai>many cover the SMP model
14:02<bja>the_ultimate_samurai: thx,
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14:02<the_ultimate_samurai>as well as other kinds of parallel programming (such asacross many different computers)
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14:04<prahal>Haxson, I bet you want to try to add kde-full or kde-standard and see if it helps (a lot of package have disappeared in kde5 or the functionality have move to other names ...
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14:07<Haxson>That sounds like a good idea. I've looked at the kde website but found no hints to what was going on. It sounded a bit drastic to remove kde-core but still it wanted to instal some new k-stuff.
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14:08<prahal>is there a way to get access to ipv6 network from ipv4 ones ? (I have an ipv6 network remote and want to access it from where I am which is ipv4 and NAT ... it seems aiccu/sixxs is a way to achieve it though to have an account on need a resume and references ... I doubt my needs are enough to get one
14:09<Haxson>So, do I go through with the dist-upgrade and then install kde-full, or should I do it the other way around?
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14:13<pi_>is it possible to rename a screen session?
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14:14<tonytraductor>hmmmm...I ran aslaconf, and could run alsamixer, but only as root
14:14<tonytraductor>if I try to run alsamixer as user I get failed to open snd_ctrl_open, no such file or dir
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14:24<franki^>hi, is there a way for me to change the mac address during a net install?
14:24<Supaplex>perhaps. man ifconfig use tty2.
14:24<Oyashiro>no, i've tried to do this too, and didin't find solution
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14:24<franki^>ifconfig doesn't appear to exist
14:25<franki^>hmm, that's not good :|
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14:25<abe3k>#compiz
14:25<Oyashiro>do you have a net card witch mac that you want to put in ?
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14:26<Oyashiro>switch it for the forst part of instalation
14:26<Oyashiro>first*
14:26<franki^>well, they're both laptops, so that would be beyond my skill level :(
14:26<Oyashiro>oh. thac would realy be a problem xD
14:27<franki^>heh
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14:28<prahal>tonytraductor, are your users in group audio
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14:28<Oyashiro>if you have any router at home or can borrow it from osmeone you can always use it as a gateway for this laptop
14:28<franki^>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524479 <-- this says try 'ip addr', but is there a way to edit that?
14:29<tonytraductor>hmmmm...sound works in gnome, but not in xfce
14:29<franki^>well, it's a university network, so no router, and i'm moving out next week, so i might just have to wait..
14:29<franki^>but, it is a pain
14:29<tonytraductor>of course, I didn't intend to install gnome, but apparently it something I did install needed it.
14:29<tonytraductor>weird
14:30<Oyashiro>franki^ and do you have ip command on tty2 ?
14:31<franki^>yeah
14:31<franki^>i just found this on google: ip link set address NEWMAC dev eth0
14:31<franki^>that should work, right?
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14:32<Oyashiro>i'm not sure, i lways used ifconfig eth0 hw ether MAC , try ip eth0 hw ether MAC
14:32<Oyashiro>always*
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14:33<Oyashiro>but first you have to bring eth0 down by "ip etho down" and after switching use "ip eth0 up"
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14:34<tonytraductor>but sound works in ion3
14:34<tonytraductor>ok, sound works for ME, but not my daughter
14:34<tonytraductor>I have to add her to sound group, apparently
14:34<franki^>hmm, it doesn't like "ip eth0 down" it gives me usage instructions for ip
14:35<Oyashiro>and the cmmand you got from google, does it work ?
14:35<franki^>well, it said "either <the mac address> is garbage or dev is duplicate
14:35<franki^>"
14:35<franki^>i triple checked the mac address
14:36<dazjorz>franki^: ip link set eth0 address NEWMAC
14:36<tonytraductor>okay, but I don't know the exact command..would it be "# adduser daughter sound"? that simple?
14:36<dazjorz>franki^: check: ip link help
14:36<tonytraductor>or audio?
14:36<tonytraductor>adduser someone audio ?
14:36<franki^>dazjorz: and do i do ip link set eth0 down first?
14:36<franki^>ah, okay
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14:37<dazjorz>tonytraductor: check `groups youruser` to see what group you should check
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14:37<dazjorz>franki^: I think that's a good idea
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14:37<tonytraductor>that seems to have worked (adduser daughtersname audio)
14:37<tonytraductor>co0l
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14:40<franki^>dazjorz: it still says "either "dev" is duplicate, or "address" is garbage"..
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14:43<dazjorz>franki^: leave dev out
14:43<dazjorz>and also eth0
14:43<tonytraductor>I think this is gonig to work out for me...
14:43<tonytraductor>but, I'm going to go take a shower now...
14:43<tonytraductor>I've just got all hot and bothered installing Debian, and need a cold shower...
14:43<tonytraductor>too exciting!
14:43<tonytraductor>:)
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14:44<franki^>dazjorz: right, i think that worked! :D (i wasn't actually including dev, but there were unnecessary words in there)
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14:47<frindly>hello, can somebody tell me something about file system fragmentation? how does reiserfs or jfs allocate free blocks? which is better? reiserfs, jfs or xfs??? ext4 is not part of stable debian 5
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14:48<tonytraductor>Okay, I think I'm going to shutdown this computer to install debian, now, since it seems to work nicely on my experimental (daughter's) machine
14:48<tonytraductor>I'll bring my laptop in here and reconnect so I can ask more stupid questions while installing again...
14:48<ml|>dpkg: tell frindly about filesystem
14:49<tonytraductor>then you can all sit with me while we go through the process a third time, with my laptop...
14:49<tonytraductor>although I might just leave crunchbang on the laptop...
14:49<tonytraductor>brb
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14:52<geophoenix>freenode.net
14:52<geophoenix>oops
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14:57<tonytraductor>I'm back
14:58<tonytraductor>I'm already at the partitioning part, but I can't get it to do what I want
14:58<tonytraductor>using the graphical install
14:58<tonytraductor>I chose manual partitioning
14:58<tonytraductor>but it won't let me set how to use the partitions
14:58<tonytraductor>I want my current /home to still be /home, and overwrite the current / frm ubuntu
14:58<tonytraductor>keep the same /boot and /swap
14:59<tonytraductor>so the only partition that needs overwriting is the / from the ubuntu install
14:59<pbn>ouch ouch ouch !
14:59<pbn>now it crashes, damnit
14:59<ml|>tonytraductor: you can do that
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15:00<tonytraductor>I know I should be able to do it, but for some reason the graphical installer doesn't allow me to alter the "User partition for: " fields
15:00<tonytraductor>to set them to / /boot /swap /home, whatever
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15:01<tonytraductor>oh...press the space bar...I wish it were made a little more clear, here
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15:03<tonytraductor>what fs should /boot be?
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15:03<tonytraductor>does it matter if it's ext2 or ext3?
15:03<ml|>ext3 should be fine
15:04<tonytraductor>ok, that's what I picked
15:05<tonytraductor>wait, now it's list two partitions as /....one should be /boot, and the other /
15:05<tonytraductor>got it...my bad
15:05<ml|>tonytraductor: did you make a mountpoint, oh
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15:07<tonytraductor>I somehow didn't hit enter to make the /boot into /boot, fixed now, and already formatting and installing
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15:07<ml|>tonytraductor: did you forget about home
15:07<tonytraductor>holy cow, formatted in seconds...only the / partition of about 26gb but that was fast
15:08<tonytraductor>no, /home is my existing /home (c 170gb)]
15:08<pi_>which package do i install to be able to use dig
15:08<ml|>ok, but did you create the mountpoint for it
15:08<tonytraductor>yeah
15:09<tonytraductor>once I figured out how to navigate the partitioning interface, I did that first
15:09<ml|>ok, cool just thought i'd mention it
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15:11<tonytraductor>good lookin'out
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15:11<tonytraductor>hopefully I won't have to restore /home from my backup, like I did with ubuntu
15:11<tonytraductor>I backed it up just a bit ago, just in case, anyway
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15:12<ml|>backups ftw :)
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15:12<jrk>hello
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15:13<jrk>a had etch with 2.6.12 and now upgraded to lenny with 2.6.26-2-686
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15:14<jrk>but kernel loading stops with "begin: waiting for root file system ..."
15:14<mus>z
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15:15<taj07c>hello, anyone about?
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15:16<tonytraductor>d00d...I just checked the mail
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15:16<tonytraductor>got a HUGE check for translating depositions just a week ago
15:17<tonytraductor>usually takes 60 days to get paid for this stuff
15:17<tonytraductor>nice.
15:17<tonytraductor>BIG check
15:17<tonytraductor>maybe I should get a new laptop
15:17<jmux>pi_: dnsutils
15:17<tonytraductor>hey, are there a lot of fonts available in the deb repos?
15:17<gsimmons>!tell jrk -about wftrf
15:17<tonytraductor>ubuntu had crap for fonts
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15:17<pi_>jmux, many thanks
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15:18<tonytraductor>that dpkg bot thingy is awesome
15:18<tonytraductor>is that an eggdrop?
15:18<jmux>pi_: check packages.debian.org next time
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15:19<jrk>gsimmons: is my problem common? i don't understand
15:19<pi_>jmux will do. thanks for the tip
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15:19<Supaplex>tonytraductor: blottbot iirc
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15:20<tonytraductor>this install it going so much faster on this machine
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15:21<tonytraductor>of course, the other is a PIII 1ghz with only 512mb ram, and this is a 3.2 celeron with 1.5gb ram
15:21<tonytraductor>probably why
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15:22<taj07c>hi all
15:22<tonytraductor>nosaa senhora...almost there already
15:22<tonytraductor>installing grub
15:23<taj07c>i'm having a bit of trouble with an etch installation i've inherited. Anyone willing to help out?
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15:23<tonytraductor>Installation is complete
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15:23<jmux>jrk: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html#boot-hangs
15:24<SQlvpapir>taj07c: just ask :)
15:24<taj07c>sure, thanks
15:24<jrk>jmux, but i have sda3 in "menu.lst" and "fstab"
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15:24<tonytraductor>nice
15:25<taj07c>i'm trying to get an updated kernel on it--I have some packages that need to be newer versions for a major software update
15:25<tonytraductor>and it DID preserve my old /home, unlike ubuntu
15:25<taj07c>but run into problems with libc6
15:25<tonytraductor>my openbox settings/configs, et al.
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15:26<taj07c>the new kernel wants libc6 2.7-1
15:26<taj07c>and libc6 wants the new kernel before it will install
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15:27<taj07c>i've seen that some other people have had the same problem, but can't find a solution that works on my machine
15:27<tonytraductor>of course, some of my keybindings are meaningless, until I install the relevant software
15:28<ml|>taj07c: try manually installing libc6 2.7-1
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15:28<jmux>jrk: can you boot with your old kernel?
15:28<jrk>jmux, yes
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15:29<jrk>i am reading doc you gave me
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15:29<jrk>"kopt" is strange thing for me
15:30<taj07c>ml|: i've tried that once, but I'll give it another go and tell you where it goes wrong
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15:33<taj07c>yeah, if i wget http://....libc6_2.7-18_i386.deb
15:33<taj07c>then run dpkg -i on the resulting file
15:34<taj07c>i get a prompt to run apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6
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15:34<taj07c>which asks me for libc6 2.7 again
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15:37<jmux>taj07c: did you install plain Etch with 2.6.18?
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15:37<taj07c>no, not my install
15:38<taj07c>uname -a pulls back 2.4.27-2-386
15:38<ml|>taj07c: is your sources.list pointing at another debian release
15:38<taj07c>could be
15:38<taj07c>hang on
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15:39<taj07c>deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main
15:39<ml|>taj07c: that's not etch
15:39<jmux>taj07c: looks more like sarge or potato - cat /etc/debian_version?
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15:40<taj07c>oh right, just gave it to you wrong to start, it is a sarge i'm hoping to get to etch
15:40<taj07c>bit tired over here...
15:40<taj07c>3.1
15:40<kop>taj07c : (Score one for using release names instead of "stable" in sources.list.)
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15:41<ml|>taj07c: you need change sources.list then to point to etch
15:41<kop>mlj: I'd read the etch release notes for upgrade info.
15:41<taj07c>i've peeked at them
15:42<kop>taj07c : Follow the directions and I find it upgrades.
15:42<ml|>taj07c: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=sarge-%3Eetch
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15:44<taj07c>starting from the beginning on the release notes
15:44<taj07c>i'll hang around in case something goes wrong.
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15:44<ml|>taj07c: after upgrading to etch might want to also upgrade to lenny
15:44<taj07c>possibly
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15:45<taj07c>this system won't be up for long
15:45<jrk>i i used solution with LABEL=rootfilesys but it still doesnt work
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15:45<taj07c>it's only getting upgraded so i can update the software we're running on it, then I'm moving all the databases, etc... to a fresh install on another machine
15:45<ml|>taj07c: just incase http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=etch-%3Elenny&term=key
15:46<taj07c>probably i'll only go to lenny if i run into problems running etch
15:46<ml|>oh gl
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15:48<bja>taj07c: Bad choice
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15:48<taj07c>bja: why's that
15:48<taj07c>i'd love to hear any advice
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15:49<bja>taj07c: Right now I have one machine on etch another one on lenny. I really don't know why lenny is much faster, more stable than etch.
15:50<jmux>jrk: did you check your /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
15:50<bja>taj07c: etch is smooth to work with, but sometimes it begins to hmm, let's say it begins to cough a little
15:50<bja>while lenny right now is "Smoooth"
15:50<ml|>taj07c: fresh install of lenny right?
15:50<taj07c>ml|: fresh install of ubuntu server 9.04
15:51<jrk>jmux, there is nothing about rootfs in this file
15:51<bja>taj07c: It might be that etch has two upgrades and lenny is fresh, I don't know
15:51<ml|>ok
15:51<jmux>jrk: for MODULES=most (see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#prepare-initramfs)
15:52<taj07c>bja: we won't be running etch past the weekend
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15:52<ml|>bja: 15:45:43 < taj07c> it's only getting upgraded so i can update the software we're running on it, then I'm moving all the databases, etc... to a fresh install on another machine
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15:53<bja>My screen got messed up, I didn catch those lines sorry.
15:53<jmux>jrk: And don't forget to run update-initramfs -u -k <new-kernel-version>
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15:53<jrk>jmux, yes i have "MODULES=most". should i change it to "MODULES=dep" ?
15:54<jmux>jrk: No most should be fine - dep would have been problematic
15:54<jrk>i have to rebuild initrd?
15:55<jmux>jrk: you can try - shouldn't change anything, if most was set before
15:56<jrk>and what about "kopt" line in menu.lst if its commented out? i dont understand it
15:56<jmux>jrk: kopt is used by update-grub
15:57<taj07c>thanks for the help guys... I might be back.
15:57<jrk>so only changing it doesnt take effect. i should run update-grub?
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15:58<jmux>jrk: yes
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15:58<jrk>oldschool way like lilo ;)
15:58<bja>I think I found a bug on irssi, but I don know how to reproduce it.
15:59<bja>time0
15:59<bja> time1
15:59<bja> time2
15:59<bja> time3
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16:00<ml|>bja: ?
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16:01<jmux>jrk: update-grub uses all the single commented lines to generate the real menu.lst
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16:01<bja>ml|: I think I found a bug in irssi, and I was doing some testing Sorry every one
16:01<ml|>oh, trying to reproduce it?
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16:02<jrk>jmux, now i see
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16:02<jrk>reboot
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16:03<bja>ml|: Yes, but to no avail, a line from screen #2 got mixed in screen #3, but i couldn't repeat it.
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16:03<oxi>hi
16:03<oxi>under which user is apache running in debian by default
16:04<oxi>how can I find that out?
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16:04<ml|>oh, never seen that, but that could be a bug with screen or whatever else you where running possibly?
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16:06<lavamind>hi, using Git, I'd like to combine multiple projects (one with the basic web app and others with modules) into one directory for easy testing the whole thing
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16:07<lavamind>is this at all possible ? or should I look instead to have the webserver use aliases, and keep the git repos seperate
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16:08<bja>ml|: Kind of strange, it happened only on one line. Never before and not since.
16:08<jrk>it still doesn't work
16:08<amphi>bja: phew - a bug in screen is truly horrifying to contemplate
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16:09<bja>amphi: Beware the fury of a patient bug.
16:09<amphi>heh
16:09<ml|>bja: then might not be a bug, a momentary glitch somewhere in the system ;)
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16:10<ml|>lol
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16:12<jmux>jrk: I'm running out of ideas - just recheck /etc/grub/menu.lst, that root=LABEL=<mylabel> for the kernel and run /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sdax is the same
16:12<bja>ml|: Hope so.
16:12<jmux>jrk: little bit mixed up
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16:13<bja>Just to have things straight, a glitch happens one time. A bug is something you can reproduce right?
16:13<jrk>in /lib/udev/ i have only alsa-utils and check_driver
16:13<ml|>bja: that's my understanding
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16:14<amphi>a reproducible bug is something you can reproduce ;)
16:14<jrk>/dev/sda3 was before and doesn't work
16:14<Lin_>hours ago I asked about a pci-e quad gigabit ethernet card, now i notice that my linux kernel is saying, PCI:007:0c Unknown header 7c, ignoring device (or something like that).
16:14<amphi>bja: see Heisenbug, Bohrbug, etc.
16:14<bja>amphi: And then you have two bugs
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16:14<ml|>lol
16:14<bja>amphi: :-)
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16:17<jmux>jrk: apt-get install udev ...
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16:18<jrk>jmux, 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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16:18<jmux>jrk: Is there /sbin/vol_id?
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16:19<jrk>jmux, no
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16:20<jrk>now i have 2.6.12 so maybe there is no udev yet
16:20<jmux>jrk: dpkg -l udev
16:20<jrk>udev 9.99-2
16:21<jrk>ii
16:21<jcsecond>Hi. I've installed a debian lenny on a server and i'm now configuring a mail server, postfix+courier. I'm having a weird issue with the mysql authentication module of courier and i didn't find anything online to help solving it. Could someone give me a hand around here? Or maybe I should ask on a more appropriate chan?
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16:21<jrk>maybe build my own kernel?
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16:21<adb>jrk: is sarge ?
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16:21<Sadneophyte>Ji I have a debian 4.0 32 bit, and I have a package that is neither removed nor installed... whenever I try to add or remove subsequent packages, this package keeps throwing errors. How do I make dpkg or apt-get forget about this package? and stop running this package's setup routine....
16:22<jrk>adb, etch upgraded to lenny
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16:22<mini>huhu
16:22<jmux>jrk: looks like etch without security updates - you meant 0.99-2?
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16:22<jrk>adb, i am actualy not shure it was etch -- it was knoppix 4.0.2
16:23<mini>speaks anybody german here?
16:24<adb>jrk: i'll better do a clean install
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16:24<adb>!tell mini about de
16:24<icefox>@ mini : try the german channel
16:24<icefox>#debian.de
16:25<ml|>adb: dpkg left :(
16:25<jrk>it is long story -- i tried lenny netinst from usb stick but it doesnt discover my dhcp network and my harddrive
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16:25<adb>oh ..
16:25<jrk>i also used images from some japan site (kabito?)
16:25<adb>kmuto
16:25*bja point his finger to ml| also known as the bot killer
16:26<ml|>haha
16:26<jrk>i also installed lenny with debootstrap but network wasnt warking
16:27<steffan>dondelelcaro: dpkg pinged out
16:27<dondelelcaro>steffan: yeah, I'm upgrading the box it's on
16:27<steffan>dondelelcaro: ah!
16:27<dondelelcaro>(and doing a few other things at the same time, so I'm not paying enough attention to it)
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16:28<jrk>only way to have warking network (dhcp) was knoppix-hd-install
16:28*bja finds new evidence to the "Bot Killer"
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16:29<ml|>not me :)
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16:29<amphi>bja: Watson, you surpass yourself ;)
16:29<ml|>lol
16:29<bja>:D
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16:32<jrk>i think i know what is the problem
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16:33<jrk>dpkg -l udev gives "ii udev 9.99-2 prevent updating sysvinit 2.84 (knoppix)" -- so it is dummy package
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16:38<jmux>jrk: did you really do a dist-upgrade?
16:38<adb>oh, dist-upgrade from... knoppix?
16:39<jrk>i installed knoppix to hd
16:39<ml|>oh
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16:40<jrk>then changed in sources.list from "testing" (it was testing few years ago) to "etch"
16:40<ml|>thought that knoppix looked out of place
16:40<jrk>done the dist-upgrade
16:40<adb>paste your sources list
16:41<xemacs4321>jrk a debian live cd might work a whole lot better
16:41<adb>jrk: use paste.debian.net
16:42<ml|>you can do a dist-upgrade from knoppix?
16:42<jrk>http://paste.debian.net/36811/
16:43<jrk>i installed it to hd
16:44<adb>well your "etch" is lenny
16:44<jmux>jrk: just a test - what does apt-get install --reinstall udev do?
16:44<jrk>checked versions of some packages and deduct it is etch
16:45<jrk>one moment
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16:45<adb>but sources point lenny
16:45<jrk>sory my english is poor so a need to check some words in dictionary
16:45<adb>!de
16:45<jrk>first i upgraded knoppix to etch
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16:46<jrk>to make some cleanings in system
16:46<jrk>and then i changed sources.list to lenny
16:47<adb>uname -r , does ?
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16:48<jrk>apt-get install --reinstall udev => http://paste.debian.net/36812/
16:48<jmux>jrk: and BTW - did you follow the update instructions? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
16:48<prahal>any hint on how to have ipv6 on a computer that change location ? I have enabled ipv6 at home but for my laptop to access ipv6 from other location I have issues
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16:49<jmux>jrk: hope you didn't type Yes...
16:50<adb>jmux: why not ?
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16:50<adb>jrk: apt-get install sysvinit
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16:50<jrk>jmux, i only typed etch to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. after some problems with sysvinit-utils (cant overwrite file `/usr/share/man/man1/last.1.gz' which exist) i does apt-get upgrade
16:51<jmux>Running without sysvinit
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16:51<jrk>and the everything looks ok so i changed etch to lenny in sources.list and repeated all steps
16:51<jmux>adb: I was looking at the udev reinstall output
16:51<adb>sure
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16:52<adb>just install it from debian will be ok
16:53<jmux>jrk: Should be so I guess apt-get install --reinstall udev sysvinit would work
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16:54<jrk>http://paste.debian.net/36814/
16:54<adb>jrk: uname -r , does ?
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16:56<jrk>2.6.12
16:57<adb>remove hotplug
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16:57*Supaplex burns him self removing the hotplug
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16:59<jrk>aptitude remove udev => http://paste.debian.net/36815/ (cleaned up from many warnings like this: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").)
17:00<adb>we are talking about remove hotplug ...
17:01<amphi>jrk: apropos the locale message, install locales
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17:01<jrk> aptitude install udev =>http://paste.debian.net/36816/
17:01<jmux>adb: that's what I thought too...
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17:03<jmux>jrk: apt-get install --reinstall sysvinit will probably help
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17:04<jrk>aptitude remove hotplug => http://paste.debian.net/36818/
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17:07<jrk>i ramoved sysvinit :] till system works it's ok. but i cannot reboot now?
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17:07<adb>jrk: ok, for now ignore perl: warnings , it's specific etch
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17:08<adb>no, install linux-image 2.6.26
17:08<adb>system is i386 ?
17:08<jrk>amd athlon
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17:09<adb>64 bis ?
17:09<jrk>but i cant instal sysvinit now http://paste.debian.net/36819/
17:09<jrk>32bit
17:09<adb>ignore sysvinit
17:10<adb>aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
17:10<jrk>dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.
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17:10<jmux>jrk: yes - don't reboot
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17:12<jrk>file`update-rc.d' is in package sysv-rc
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17:13<adb>install it
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17:14<adb>this version 2.86.ds1-61
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17:15<jrk>some packages was dummy versions from knoppix missing some files
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17:16<arm>hello
17:16<arm> i need help
17:16<streuner>just ask
17:17<jmux>jrk: so - where you able to reinstall sysvinit, udev, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686?
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17:18<arm>somebady knows about DNS
17:18<streuner>!ask
17:18<jrk>yes. i have to do it "remove" and then "install". "install --reinstal" doesnt work
17:19<arm>i have 3 vhost with lampp and only 1 ip
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17:21<jrk>reboot
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17:21<pjm>arm. yes?
17:22<arm>how can do
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17:22<arm>sorry :( i dont speek english
17:23<adb>what's your primary language ?
17:24<arm>spanish
17:25<noflash>!es
17:25<pjm>you wanna know how it works or how you configure virtual hosts in httpd?
17:25<amphi>arm: #debian-es
17:25<arm>my vhost work very well
17:25<arm>the problem is with the dns
17:26<arm>i use lampp
17:26<arm>and everything work fine
17:28<arm>i do 3 zones for each vhost
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17:28<arm>but all zones only access to /opt/lampp/htdocs/
17:29<arm>the problem is
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17:29<arm>who can do to the dns separate o recognise the vhost
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17:30<jrk>kernel boots but there is no network
17:30<ml|>arm: /join #debian-es
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17:30<jmux>jrk: which net hardware?
17:30<pjm>jrk. what nic?
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17:31<pjm>oops :-)
17:31<jrk>lspci: 00:04.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP2A Ethernet Controller (rev a3)
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17:31<jrk>lsmod: forcedeth
17:32<jrk>configuration is the same do it is kernel bug
17:32<jmux>jrk: update-initramfs -u -k <kernel>
17:33<jrk>jmux, done
17:33<jrk>before reboot
17:33<jmux>jrk: did you try to manually modprobe the module?
17:33<adb>jmux: -u is update , so update 2.6.12 ?
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17:34<jrk>module is loaded (lsmod shows it)
17:34<jmux>abd: -k 2.6.26-2-686
17:35<adb>2.6.26-2-686 is installed ?
17:35<jmux>or whatever his kernel version is
17:35<jrk>"update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.26-2-686" <- this i done
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17:36<jrk>i have two kernels: 2.6.26-2-686 and 2.6.12
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17:37<jmux>jrk: so did you try to modprobe forcedeth? What did ifconfig -a show? Does it match your /etc/network/interfaces?
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17:38<jmux>jrk: did lsmod show the forcedeth?
17:38<jrk>i didn't tied to modprobe forcedeth because it was loaded (as i said lsmod shows it)
17:38<jrk>*tried
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17:38<jmux>Ah - so ifconfig -a?
17:38<jmux>I thought that was for 2.6.12
17:39<jrk>it shows two interfaces: lo and eth0
17:39<jrk>with eth0 it shows some data, including mac-adress
17:39<jmux>udev likes to change the net device names, so it might have become eth1
17:39<jrk>jmux, no
17:39<jrk>i tried, but it dont work
17:40<jrk>it shows mac adress so i think network card is properly detected
17:40<tonytraductor>hold on....
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17:42<tonytraductor>dudes...I am now here via a brand, spanking, shiny new install of lenny on my main production box
17:42<tonytraductor>and most of my stuff is already set up and configured and stuff
17:42<tonytraductor>this was rather painless and easy
17:43<amphi>!rejoice
17:43<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
17:43<ml|>dpkg: wb
17:43<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
17:44<tonytraductor>!rejoice
17:44<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
17:44<tonytraductor>that's too co0l
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17:44<ml|>dpkg: tell tonytraductor about dpkgbot
17:44<adb>!win tonytraductor
17:44<dpkg>Congratulations, tonytraductor! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
17:44<tonytraductor>on ubuntu and pclos I used a small program called weather go get current conditions and forecasts in terminal...I can' t find that here
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17:44<jrk>using v.2.6.12 is not so bad thing. only few things doesn't works: swsusp and ntfs-3g
17:45<tonytraductor>do you have anything without spam?
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17:46<adb>!win tonytraductor
17:46<dpkg>Congratulations, tonytraductor! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island!
17:46<ml|>haha
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17:47<amphi>tonytraductor: weather-util perhaps
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17:47<jrk>trying install mpd shows packages to be installed: libpulse0. it means it gotta install pulseaudio? (i dont like it -- alsa rulez)
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17:48<steffan>tonytraductor: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=Weather&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
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17:49<tonytraductor>yeah, the weather script thing I used isn' t in there...looked already
17:50<tonytraductor>I' ll have to find the source somewhere
17:50<tonytraductor>or maybe just try this weather-util
17:50<tonytraductor>at the moment, I'm trying to figure out how to get my scanner going
17:50<tonytraductor>installing the printer was a breeze, but it didn't install the scanner simultaneously like ubuntu and pclos did
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17:51<jmux>jrk: ok - you can open a bugreport at bugs.debian.org against the current kernel for lenny
17:52<adb>try run "tasksel " choose printer system or so
17:52<jmux>jrk: this is just the library, as mpd is is linked against it - won't install the sound server
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17:53<cahoot>tonytraductor: standalone scanner or as a part of the printer?
17:54-!-MrNaz [~mrnaz@ppp118-208-203-152.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:54<cahoot>(or function perhaps)
17:54<jrk>jmux, i am not sure it is bug in kernel. lsmod shows that forcedeth is loaded. lspci shows it so. i dont know
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17:55<jmux>jrk: does a manual dhclient ethx work?
17:55<amphi>tonytraductor: it's a printer-scanner combo?
17:56<tonytraductor>weather-util IS the weather thing I used before...perfect
17:56<tonytraductor>yeah, it's an HP 5600 scanner/fax/printer
17:57<tonytraductor>all-in-one, as they say
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17:57<streuner>it just work here
17:57<amphi>tonytraductor: I something similar going for a friend; it just needed the usbid added to one of sane's config files, IIRC
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17:58*streuner did nothing at all, scanner and printer just work
17:58<jrk>ithis time i dont run dhclient manually but previous times it shows somethink like this: "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval N" (where N is number from 0 to about 20) and finally "No DHCPOFFERS received."
17:58<cahoot>streuner: a matter of groups?
17:58<streuner>no
17:58<tonytraductor>looks like I need to use some hp-toolbox, which is installed, but won' t work b/c it needs PyQT
17:58<tonytraductor>going to apt-get pyqt now
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18:01<streuner>tonytraductor: hpijs?
18:01<streuner>nm
18:02<jrk>i had at home hp scanner with printer
18:02<jrk>and i configured it via www admin panel
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18:03<jrk>only installed cups, sane, xsane
18:03<tonytraductor>hmmmm...yeah, because the printer/fax are installed via the hp setup, but not the scanner, and xsane sees no installed device
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18:03<streuner>as root?
18:03<streuner>tryj
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18:04<streuner>try it as root (xsane), it should just work
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18:08<tonytraductor>oh...I just realized the system clock is on the wrong time, without daylight savings
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18:10<cahoot>swaying focus?
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18:15<marius>how can i speak in debian spanish?
18:15<ml|>!es
18:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:16<ml|>dpkg: tell tonytraductor about timezone
18:16<ml|>dpkg: tell tonytraductor about ntp
18:18<marius>gracias dpkg
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18:18<ml|>dpkg: yw
18:18<dpkg>yw is probably you're welcome, or or yeah, whatever
18:19<sun>hi does anyone know if omahasteaks are aged?
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18:22<tonytraductor>the only thing I'm finding on google is about the fax
18:22<tonytraductor>and I don' t send faxes with the computer, so I don' t really care about that
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18:25<tonytraductor>fixed the clock...thank ml
18:25<ml|>np
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18:26<tonytraductor>I still have a Hewlett-Packard:Officejet__5600__series.drc from the previous install in my /home
18:26<tonytraductor>oh, I meant, in /home/tony/.sane
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18:29<tonytraductor>okay, this is weird...I can run xsane as root, and it is fine, but not as user
18:30<tonytraductor>I checked the permissions of the config files in ~ /.sane, and they are mine not root
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18:33<prahal>tonytraductor, user in the lp group ?
18:33<tonytraductor>marius - hablar espa~nol en #debian es facil
18:33<tonytraductor>well, I'm the only user
18:33<tonytraductor>but let me check that
18:34<prahal>because the group for hplip (hp) scanner has changed recently
18:34<tonytraductor>well I adduser-ed me into the lp group, but no change
18:35<prahal>you need to logout/login for the change to take effect . or you could su <your_user> and start xsane from this shell
18:35<tonytraductor>I can print as user
18:36<tonytraductor>weird...I gotta go eat some food, or something
18:36<tonytraductor>I'm sure I' ll be back later.
18:36<tonytraductor>thanks for all of your assistance!
18:36<tonytraductor>My first day in the Debian community has been GREAT!
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18:38<sylarrr>anyone knows how to chroot to some folder?
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18:41<dr|z3d>sylarrr: Well documented on google. Try a "man chroot" for the getgo.
18:41<dr|z3d>(in a terminal)
18:41<sylarrr>dr|z3d, there is what dpkg say
18:42<sylarrr>dr|z3d, but I am sure there is a better way
18:42<dr|z3d>sylarrr: Ah, you consulted dpkg. Good move :)
18:42<sylarrr>yea
18:42<sylarrr>dpkg want me to install sid on my chroot
18:42<dpkg>sylarrr: wish i knew
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18:42<dr|z3d>!google debian chroot introduction howto mount folder
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18:43<dr|z3d>Hit google with those keywords, you come up smelling of roses. Or something.
18:43<DeepDayze>haha is that a googlism?
18:43<DeepDayze>isn'
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18:43<DeepDayze>t dpkg the expert here? :)
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18:44<DeepDayze>how good is lenny still for a desktop?
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18:47<ootput>DeepDayze: that depends, really
18:47<ootput>(on you)
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19:01<ed_debian>Does anybody know of an easy way to tag 1000 + files. I am looking for an app that will do it automatically for me using an online database (and I want album art embedded in my tags)
19:02<bremner>Mp3?
19:02<ed_debian>ogg
19:03<ed_debian>(mostly) a couple flac a couple .m4a a couple mp3
19:04<bremner>Quod libet has an associated tagged
19:04<bremner>er
19:06<bremner>also has a funny name
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19:09<brk>is it the 13th? or just a bad friday?
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19:17<DeepDayze>thanks ootput
19:17<ootput>DeepDayze: i've completely forgotten the context
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19:23<amphi>bremner: exfalso?
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19:24<ootput>latin titles are profound
19:24<ootput>no direct correlation b/w it and software qual, though
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19:25<bremner>amphi: that is the one. only tagger I had decent luck with m4a files
19:25<ootput>bremner: what of easytag?
19:25<bremner>ootput: haven't tried it recently
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19:25<ootput>oh, didn't consult the author
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19:26<ootput>did ed_debian leave, or re-nick?
19:27<ml|>seems he left 19:10:26 -|- <--- ed_debian
19:27<ootput>ok
19:28<W3ird_N3rd>Hi, have a bit of a problem here. I want to install debian on a box for a sort-of HTPC. Trouble is: stable is too outdated. Testing is great, but the kernel is outdated and the Ralink wireless driver b0rked. Unstable is awesome but I can't even login: it does not accept my password. I never mistype such things, surely not twice.
19:28<ootput>W3ird_N3rd: use testing with custom-built kernel
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19:29<W3ird_N3rd>I don't really have a clue where to start, is that difficult?
19:29<locklace>W3ird_N3rd: no one runs testing with the kernel package that's actually in testing
19:29<ootput>W3ird_N3rd: one breadcrumb would be google :)
19:29<locklace>W3ird_N3rd: easiest thing to do is to download the current kernel package from sid and install it with dpkg -i, takes 2 seconds
19:29<ootput>W3ird_N3rd: it's not too difficult
19:29<locklace>W3ird_N3rd: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html
19:30<locklace>W3ird_N3rd: that will give you 2.6.29. if you need later, that's also easy enough but takes more steps
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19:30<W3ird_N3rd>locklace, thanks, was not sure if that would be possible (breaking dependencies). Back to installing testing in that case :)
19:30<locklace>W3ird_N3rd: yeah, no problems there at all with the kernel package
19:31<ootput>W3ird_N3rd: i'd suggest reading kernel changelog for support of your wifi chipset
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19:31<W3ird_N3rd>I have considered compiling my own kernel, but iirc I tried that quite some time ago and back then it gave me a headache. But I can do dpkg -i, that's more my level :)
19:32<W3ird_N3rd>2.6.29 should be good, it's just to get a working ralink driver again :)
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19:32<locklace>W3ird_N3rd: start with the dpkg -i. later we can cover the kernel compile if you want, it's straightforward
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19:33<W3ird_N3rd>I'll first have to install testing again because there's now a borked unstable on that drive :)
19:33<johnf>So I'm trying to become a DD again. I'm currently in emeritus status. I've emailed da-manager about a year ago and then again a few weeks ago. Should I a) just apply for standard DD and then being this up b) do something else?
19:33<bja>Does anyone know how does xterm manages fonts?
19:33<ootput>W3ird_N3rd: if you're already in a linux environment, you can do a bootstrap install
19:33<locklace>bja: it doesn't manage fonts
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19:34<W3ird_N3rd>besides, is a bug in current unstable with not being able to login already known? I have no clue what package would be affected so the search doesn't seem much help.
19:35<locklace>W3ird_N3rd: no idea, sounds trivial to solve, boot with init=/bin/bash, remount / rw and use passwd to change the password
19:35<ootput>W3ird_N3rd: I have sid as a media box. No such problem here.
19:35<W3ird_N3rd>ootput, did you install it today?
19:35<ootput>W3ird_N3rd: few days ago
19:35<bja>locklace: Yes you are right X manages them for xterm. The point is that i get the font i like, the size i like. The width is double space and I can't find the X parameter to solve it
19:37<ootput>bja: might be a problem with the font with any combination of hinting/antialias
19:37<ootput>bja: try removing all of that jazz if you have them enabled
19:38<bja>ootput: No such parameters
19:38<bja>ootput: Removed them yesterday
19:38<ootput>bja: is there a fonts.conf lurking in the shadows?
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19:39<ootput>bja: does this apply to all fonts, or only a select few?
19:39<bja>ootput: xterm uses .Xresources to read its configuration, the default one is on /etc/X11/app-defaults
19:40<ootput>yes
19:40<bja>ootput: all fonts which i specify, if i let all the defaults go then there is no problem.
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19:40<ootput>then stop making changes to the defaults ;)
19:40<bja>ootput: It is an Xtoolkit parameter that I'm sure I'm missing
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19:41<bja>dpkg: kill ootput
19:41*dpkg chops ootput's head off with a large lead pipe
19:41<bja>je je
19:41<ootput>i thought it was a sound piece of advice..
19:42<bja>ootput: The default is too big
19:42<ootput>what is?
19:42<ootput>oh, font size?
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19:44<bja>ootput: Can't put you a number here but on a normal document i would be using 6 px and this is somewhere around 12
19:44<locklace>bja: what font
19:44<bja>ootput: I solved it for urxvt, but the servers say "WARNING: terminal is not fully functional" and then unpredictable things happen
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19:45<bja>locklace: DejaVu Sans
19:45<locklace>that's not a mono font, bja
19:46<bja>locklace: DejaVu Sans Mono I meant
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19:47<locklace>bja: "xterm -fa 'DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=12'" works fine for me
19:48<ootput>bja: you'd need to set term to that which is closest in compability
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19:49<ootput>or you can define your own locally
19:49<bja>locklace: Your line is working fine here,
19:49<bja>??
19:49<johnf>So it looks like option a is out. The NM system won't let me reapply because it knows I already did back in 2000
19:49<locklace>great
19:50<locklace>johnf: foiled by the bureaucracy
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19:55<nicolas>putos
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19:56<ml|>bja: xterm*faceName: DejaVu Sans Mono
19:56<ml|>xterm*faceSize: 10
19:56<ml|>works here
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19:57<nicolas>gay
19:57<bja>ootput: I have it working directly from .Xresources now thx
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19:58<ed_debian>I am looking for an app that will tag my music (mostly ogg files) with album art that it pulls automatically from the internet. Is there such a thing?
19:58<dr|z3d>ed_debian: Sure.
19:59<dr|z3d>Several good options.
19:59<ed_debian>dr|z3d, Such as?? lol
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19:59<dr|z3d>exaile for gtk, amarok for kde, and/or songbird for either.
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19:59<ed_debian>exaile will put the album art in the tag?
20:00<bja>ml|: xterm*faceSize: 6 seems similar to :pixelsize 10
20:00<bja>But anyway everything working fine thx everyone
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20:00<ml|>bja: ok just giving you another option
20:00<bja>ml|: thx
20:01<ml|>bja: np :)
20:01<dr|z3d>All 3 apps handle album covers one way or another, ed_debian.
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20:01<bja>ml|: It should have worked on the first place, but it didn't
20:01<dr|z3d>That was your criterion, no?
20:01*dr|z3d smiles.
20:01<ed_debian>dr|z3d, See I just got a new pmp and it will only display album art if the art is embedded in the tag.
20:01<ml|>songbird has gotten better?
20:01<bja>ed_debian: easytag ??
20:02<dr|z3d>ml|: When last did you use it?
20:02<ml|>bja: what where you using before?
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20:02<bja>ml|: the defaults, it was a wais of desktop realstate
20:02<dr|z3d>I can't know if it got better until that's established.. you might have used it yesterday!
20:02<ml|>dr|z3d: tried it like 3-4 months ago, did not like it
20:02<bja>ml|: s/wais/waist
20:02<dr|z3d>ml|: It's got better, for sure .
20:03<dr|z3d>Selective use of addons makes it useful.
20:03<ed_debian>bja, Easy tag can put the pics there but I can't figure out how to download the pics automatically from CDDB or something. I don't have to google image search 100 + times
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20:03<ml|>dr|z3d: ok, thanks might try it
20:03<locklace>bja: 'waste'. 'waist' is a part of the body, as it turns out
20:03<ml|>dr|z3d: does it support replaygain yet
20:03<ml|>locklace: heh
20:04<ed_debian>what is the songbird package name? It's in the debian repos right?
20:04<bja>dpkg: confuse locklace
20:04<dpkg>No, where are our gouda yesterday, locklace? Wellies of the Dictatorship of Tahiti with extra crabpaste.
20:04<ml|>ed_debian: don't think so
20:04<ed_debian>mmm
20:04<ml|>just checked not there
20:06<ed_debian>exaile can't seem to find any album covers? When I search amazon i get "sorry no covers found" regardless of what I search
20:06<bja>locklace: Thx for the correction
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20:06<ml|>ed_debian: http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Developer/Articles/Builds/Contributed_Builds
20:07<ed_debian>ml|, Thank you!
20:07<locklace>!start a fs war
20:07<dpkg>UDF is too slow!
20:07<ml|>lol
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20:07<ml|>!start a editor war
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20:08<ml|>!start an editor war
20:08<dpkg>nano blows
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20:08<ml|>hah
20:08<bja>!botabuse
20:08<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
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20:09<chimf>?
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20:09<ed_debian>Why did dpkg freak?
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20:09<ml|>bja: fault
20:10<jrk>how to login automaticly via ssh without keyboard typed password an without rsa pub/prv keys?
20:10<bja>jrk: dsa pub/prv keys
20:11<bja>dpkg: tell chimf about ask
20:12<jrk>its imposible because server i want to login has ro fs
20:12<jrk>so a cant upload any keys
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20:12<bja>jrk: Do you speak german?
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20:13<jrk>no
20:13<bja>jrk: Ok just asking
20:14<jrk>bja, ok just answering ;)
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20:17<bja>jrk: Only solution I can think of is remounting the partition rw insert the keys on the proper place and remount again to ro
20:19<ml|>bja: i had similar glitch like you did before with screen, few minutes ago
20:20<jrk>but this is not my server (my friend gave me accout and i used it for tunnel but i lost my prv keys)
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20:21<bja>ml|: Do you think its screen or irssi
20:21<bja>jrk: No other way but humbly ask for a new pair of keys. Sorry can't help you there :(
20:21<ml|>bja: screen cause it happened with other app running in screen
20:22<bja>ml|: What version of screen are you using
20:22<bja>?
20:22<ml|>bja: first time i have seen it tho
20:22<ml|>Screen version 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 2-May-06
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20:23<bja>ml|: Sameone here, I'll take a look at the site
20:23<ml|>bja: ok lmk gtg for now bbiab
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20:26<bja>ml|: It seems we have the latest :(
20:28<W3ird_N3rd>btw ootput, my WiFi USB adapter is supported, it has actually been supported for quite some time, far before 2.6.26. But somewhere in 2.6.26 there is a regression borking it's support, but it would most likely be fixed in 2.6.29
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20:37<yugo>for i in *.flv; do mencoder -ovc lavc -oac mp3lame -o "$i.avi" "$i"; done can this be changed, so it takes any video container ? from what ever folder ?
20:37<yugo>found it here http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/5187
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21:05<xlotlu>yugo: find /path -name '*.flv -exec mencoder '{}' -o '{}'.avi -otheropts \;
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21:07<xlotlu>yugo: and what do you mean by other containers? find /path -regex '.+\.\(flv\|mp4\)' ..
21:10<yugo>yes something like that thanks dude
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22:14<shamanix>anyone here using Opera? I'd like to know where it stores the browser cache
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22:16<ed_debian>shamanix, I am using opera
22:16<ed_debian>shamanix, I believe that it is stored in "home"/.opera/cache4
22:16<ed_debian>I am not positive though
22:17<shamanix>it does just checked
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22:18<shamanix>thanx bigtime, now I can save all those esoteric non youtube flvs :-)
22:18<bzed>shamanix: apt-cache show clive :)
22:20<shamanix>cool, I used a python script to download youtube before but this looks cool, does it do last.fm video?
22:22<ed_debian>does anyone know how to convert an avi video from mpeg-1 codec to divX?
22:23<shamanix>Avidemux
22:23<ed_debian>shamanix, yeah?
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22:23<shamanix>or ffmpeg
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22:25<shamanix>well I'm not sure about Avidemux since I don't have mpeg1 vids on my hd right now, but it should do it in theory, I use it because the package in the repository has xvid and mp3 built in, while ffmpeg hasn't
22:26<ed_debian>how do I get support for xvid for ffmpeg?
22:27<shamanix>I have absolutly no clue
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22:27<ed_debian>sorry divX
22:27<ed_debian>I but that doesn't make a difference though
22:27<ed_debian>bet*
22:28<shamanix>I think you'll need to compile it yourself, I hear its a nightmare for ffmpeg, so good lucj
22:28<shamanix>luck
22:28<ed_debian>screw that I'll just use avidemux
22:28<shamanix>i did flvs and mkvs with h264 using it so it would be kinda stupid not to support mp1
22:29<ed_debian>I don't know a thing about video editing so could you walk me through it? I have avidemux open
22:29<shamanix>its patheticly easy if you want to convert only, sure I'll help
22:29<ed_debian>lol ok
22:30<ed_debian>so I opened the file I want to convert
22:30<ed_debian>it is an mpeg according to avidemux. How do I make it a divX codec with a .avi extension?
22:31<ed_debian>Xvid (sorry)
22:31<shamanix>on the left side where it says video select mpeg4 xvid
22:31<shamanix>MPEG-4 ASP Xvid4
22:32<shamanix>for audio select LAME MP3
22:32<ed_debian>ok...
22:32<shamanix>Format AVI unless your doing OGM or MKV or something
22:33<ed_debian>no I'm doing avi
22:33<ed_debian>now I save?
22:33<ed_debian>file -> save -> save video?
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22:33<shamanix>you can, but you might want to tweak the codecs a bit
22:34<ed_debian>in configure?
22:34<shamanix>yep
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22:34<ed_debian>What am I trying to accomplish with tweaking?
22:35<shamanix>increasing the output quality
22:35<shamanix>I actually know what everything means there :-)
22:36<Chronicle>Hey guys, im using Lenny AMD64, when i press Sistem>Turnoff> Click Turn off it takes 90seconds to start turn down
22:36<shamanix>I'll just link some screenshots for the best settings ok
22:36<ed_debian>shamanix, You're lucky. Any pointers?
22:36<ed_debian>shamanix, Ok, thank you
22:37<shamanix>one question first, do you plan to use the vid on a standalone player? (aka anything not a pc)
22:37<ed_debian>shamanix, That is exactly what I am doing. I just bought a cowon s9. It has an amoled screen so I want a video or two on it to show off (I'm a music buff)
22:38<shamanix>ok
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22:38<Chronicle>Hey guys, im using Lenny AMD64, when i press Sistem>Turnoff> Click Turn off it takes 90seconds to start turn down
22:38<shamanix>wait just a min, and I'll make those shots
22:38<Chronicle>it freezes
22:38<ed_debian>Chronicle, Yeah I have no idea but that sucks
22:38<ed_debian>Chronicle, what does dmesg say?
22:40<Chronicle>LOTS of things
22:40<johnfg>Where is there a good guide for configuring the network for lenny? I've searched for it, but not finding much. Network Manager is not doing what I need.
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22:40<ed_debian>Chronicle, lol yeah. Do you understand any of it?
22:41<johnfg>I've looked at /etc/network/interfaces, but am not sure whether I'm understanding it.
22:41<Chronicle>It list my interfaces
22:41<Chronicle>no error found
22:42<johnfg>My problem is that the network was not coming up as soon as it should, and so some other scripts dependent on the network weren't starting correctly.
22:42<ed_debian>johnfg, The ubuntu community documentation has a pretty good how to about /etc/network/interfaces. Ubuntu and debian are identical in that department
22:42<ed_debian>johnfg, Are you using wifi?
22:43<johnfg>ed_debian, yes.
22:43<johnfg>Everything was good until I tried to get kerberos and ldap to work together through nsswitch
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22:44<ed_debian>johnfg, yeah I had the same problem. I don't think you're going to find the answer by manually setting up /etc/networking
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22:44<ed_debian>johnfg, I think the larger problem is that wifi won't connect until after a user has logged in.
22:45<ed_debian>johnfg, idk. There is probably a way to get wifi to connect before any users have logged in I just don't know how (security issues ??)
22:45<ed_debian>Chronicle, I'm sorry but I don't really know anything about your problem :(. Post a thread at forums.debian.net maybe?
22:46<Chronicle>well, thanks...
22:46<johnfg>Yeah, so I've got an ethernet cable coming from the wireless router that appears to the system as hard-wired rather than wifi.
22:47<Slurb>how do i tell what /dev file my mobile phone is accessed through
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22:49<ed_debian>johnfg, if you have a wired going from your router to your computer what else would the computer see it as other than hard wired? I don't understand.
22:49<johnfg>ed_debian, Just a few, please. Have changed /etc/network/interfaces, and am going to try a reboot. Be back in a jiff!
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22:52<shamanix>ed_debian http://pastebin.me/4a1764deb222c
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22:52<ed_debian>shamanix, Thank you!
22:53<shamanix>the first 3 are xvid, the last one is for lame
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22:53<shamanix>if you want to you can use higher bitrates for LAME
22:53<shamanix>thats up to you
22:54<shamanix>you might want to keep the pics for future use
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22:54<ed_debian>shamanix, Ok, thank you again! I was lucky that someone so knowledgeable was online :)
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22:54<shamanix>I actually read the entire xvid docs LOL
22:56<ed_debian>shamanix, Thank you again!
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22:57<shamanix>just avoid Qpel and GMC they eat standalones for breakfast :-)
22:58<ed_debian>good to know
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22:58<tonytraductor>I' m back
22:58<tonytraductor>solved the scanner issue
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23:03<shamanix>ed_debian one more thing, use same quantizer as input only when converting and you need roughly identical quality, if you need exact bitrate use single pass or 2 pass
23:05<ed_debian>shamanix, The audio and the video aren't synced correctly?
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23:06<shamanix>thats interesting
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23:07<shamanix>try replacing abr with cbr in lame config thats one guess
23:08<ed_debian>ok hang on
23:08<shamanix>some players have problems with abr, vbr and whatnot
23:08<ed_debian>It is unsynced on the computer
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23:08<ed_debian>totem
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23:09<shamanix>the original or the file you just saved?
23:10<ed_debian>the newly converted one (xvid) is messed up when playing on the computer (totem)
23:11<ed_debian>abr / cbr made no difference
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23:13<ed_debian>any ideas?
23:14<shamanix>you can try enabling shift, but that requires lots of trial and error
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23:15<shamanix>can you try converting something other then mpeg1? maybe its a bug in Avidemux, never had this happen to me
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23:17<ed_debian>I don't have any other videos?
23:18<shamanix>try mkv instead of avi temporarly. Avi has more bugs then you can shake a stick at (well its Microsofts standard what did you expect)
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23:19<ed_debian>k it's encoding
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23:20<ed_debian>.mkv was all sorts of messed up
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23:21<ed_debian>the sound was the same and the video was odd and pixilated (spelling?)
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23:24<shamanix>last guess is switch back to avi then and try single pass bitrate instead of same quantizer as input
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23:26<ed_debian>encoding...
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23:27<ed_debian>same problem :( :(
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23:28<ed_debian>I did just notice something though...
23:28<shamanix>what?
23:28<ed_debian>If I play the original file in avidemux its audio is unsynced (actually about 2 seconds early)
23:29<ed_debian>but if I play the file with totem no problems
23:29<ed_debian>sorry, I feel like an idiot
23:29<shamanix>that may be because of soundcard latency, ALSA has loads of it
23:30<shamanix>my card doesnt even work in ALSA when using avidemux, the only other prog to do this was zsnes, changing the driver to sdl fixed my problem in both cases
23:31<shamanix>megawierd considering everything else works just fine when using ALSA
23:32<ed_debian>yeah
23:32<ed_debian>I think it is because avidemux is trying to auto-detect what type of file this is when I open it
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23:33<shamanix>can you try the vid in your dvd player? does it work there?
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23:33<ed_debian>if I open the vid in totem it plays correctly
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23:34<shamanix>anyway, you can set the sound driver in edit -> preferences -> audio
23:34<ed_debian>mplayer plays the auido but gives an error on the video (and shows nothing)
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23:35<ed_debian>How about Pulse?
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23:36<shamanix>if your card supports it, give it a try
23:36<ed_debian>nevermind pulse crashed (i guess that's a no)
23:36<shamanix>Pulse never worked for me, but I have a bloody C-media
23:37*shamanix regrets the day he sold his SB Live!
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23:37<shamanix>try SDL that does a decent job, atleast on my comp
23:38<ed_debian>arts works but is extremely choppy and the audio still isn't synced
23:38<ed_debian>oss is smooth but the audio still isn't synced
23:39<shamanix>my guess is the guys coding need to take a 6 month course in audio programming :-)
23:39<ed_debian>sdl (random nasty static buzzes) unsynced (in a different way)
23:39<ed_debian>shamanix, unfortunately i think you're right :(
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23:40<alain>Hello - Is it safe to use Add/Remove Apps when you use a vanilla kernel with Debian
23:40<shamanix>btw what version do you have
23:41<alain>lenny
23:41<alain>should I compile all my programs or should i still use Add/Remove
23:41<alain>thanks in advance
23:42<shamanix>by add/remove you meen apt, aptitude, synaptic, etc
23:42<alain>that's exactly it shamanix
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23:43<alain>i setup my sources and headers already
23:43<shamanix>heck I have a vanilla kernel, and I never had problems doing things like that
23:43<shamanix>ed_debian: what version of Avidemux did you get
23:44<alain>thanks for your time shamanix, have a great night
23:44<ed_debian>umm
23:44<ed_debian>hang on it crashed
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23:44<ed_debian>2.4
23:45<ed_debian>the default in the repos
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23:45<shamanix>I think my one is from the multimedia repository, not sure though
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23:46<shamanix>do you have this in your sources.list: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/
23:47<shamanix>2.4.3 is the version on my pc
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23:47<ed_debian>yeah we are using the same version (yeah I'm using the multimedia repos)
23:48<debianforlife>what do I add to the kernel line to make grub boot directly to the initrdramfs ?
23:49<shamanix>its kinda weird that it !@#$ up mplayer, since I'm an hardcore Mplayer zaelot, and never had any probs
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23:51<ed_debian>Well this file is originally a torrent download of a ripped DVD
23:51<ed_debian>I have no idea the integrity (or format really). I used something to crop 95% of the movie out so now I am working with a 30 second spot
23:51<ed_debian>I didn't know what I was doing before maybe I screwed it up royally?
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23:54<shamanix>it shouldnt in theory
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23:58<shamanix>interesting, I also have a bit out of sync audio when playing back anything with Avidemux, however the encoded material comes out ok
23:59<shamanix>anyway you could try mancoder or handbrake, but I don't have any experience with those
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