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00:04<tone_>need help mounting a usb drive. fdisk -l doesn't report the drive, but gnome shows it in file browser
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02:16<debam>hi to all,is there any GUI utility for software RAID configuration?
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02:22<debam>jm_ after googling i got mdadm is command line utility for software RAID ..is there any GUI utility to configure and maintain RAID?
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02:25<simonrvn>why?
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02:26<jm_>debam: I have no idea
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02:27<simonrvn>it's not like there's some magic to that, it's rather simple.
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03:06<d3v1ous>hello to all, i downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-netinst.iso, and i know cuz this is i386 arhitecture, but when i try to boot it in my old box i recive: This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: cmov
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03:06<d3v1ous>so, where i can download i386 based debian?
03:08<dmoerner>d3v1ous, the i386 name is a relic, debian no longer supports i386, only i486 and newer
03:09<d3v1ous>but, my CPU not support 486 i think
03:09<d3v1ous>so what i need to fix my problem
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03:15<jm_>d3v1ous: you need to install with custom kernel, or install an older Debian release
03:16<d3v1ous>custom without cmov?
03:17<jm_>yes, by selecting given CPU in kernel config
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03:18<d3v1ous>mhm, thanks jm_
03:18<jm_>no worries
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03:33<wakariera>I haven been this happy i managed to set up wireless in just over an hour wid broadcom on an old laptop
03:34<wakariera>wats the best option t set up hibernate fr kernel 2.6.26 btw
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03:34<jm_>try s2disk
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03:35<Lethias>Whats the best way of getting a website up with phpbb3 forums?
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03:36<Lethias>I've got webserver installed through tasksel.
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03:38<d3v1ous>Lethias what web server you have?
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03:42<Lethias>I'm running apache2.
03:42<Lethias>Debian Lenny
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03:47<d3v1ous>Lethias you need php module for apache2
03:48<d3v1ous>then you should install mysql server and settup the phpbb3 forum :>
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04:08<MyWifeIs19>wha't the most reliable way of detecting if X is running or not from the command line?
04:08<MyWifeIs19>s/wha't/what's/
04:09<d3v1ous>ps axuw | grep xorg
04:10<MyWifeIs19>I am running X but that command only greps itself....
04:10<ml|>htop?
04:11<jm_>grep X
04:11<jm_>but you'll probably want to make it more specific than simple grep X
04:11<MyWifeIs19>jm_, maybe grep vt7????
04:12<weasel>sudo /sbin/start-stop-daemon --stop --signal 0 --name Xorg --user root && echo running || echo not running
04:12<jm_>MyWifeIs19: it probably depends on how X server is started, but try grep 'X11/[X]'
04:12<weasel>I wanted to use --exec but that didn't work out quickly
04:12<weasel>as it's now pgrep can probably do the same
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04:13<weasel>pgrep -U 0 '^Xorg$' && echo running || echo not running
04:13<jm_>yeah it sets program name to Xorg so pgrep can be used, good one
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04:14<carnil>Hi: Is there a perl-module which can help, collecting the information from e.g. the file /etc/apt/preferences into a hash? I haven't found something about parsing prefrences file in libapt-pkg-perl, are there any hints?
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04:15<interbird>MyWifeIs19: ps axuw | grep /usr/bin/X | sed /grep/d
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04:27<matt7676>what if I would like to purge all packages which have a "rc" status? I mean "dpkg -l | grep '^rc\b' | dpkg -P" doesn't probably work, because "dpkg -P" needs packages feed in one after another? I should make some kind of loop?
04:27<matt7676>*should I
04:27<petemc>!purge
04:27<dpkg>well, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files.
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04:28<d3v1ous>( 11:26:17 ) ::: ( d3v1ous ) jm_ im downloaed debian sarge i think cuz all will be correctly now
04:28<d3v1ous>( 11:26:37 ) ::: ( d3v1ous ) but i will work with old system, if i upgrade next release will be 686?
04:28<d3v1ous>( 11:26:49 ) ::: ( d3v1ous ) can i install sarge and upgrade to lenny?
04:28<d3v1ous>( 11:26:57 ) ::: ( d3v1ous ) and is it problem for me?
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04:29<oageinsam>!de
04:29<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
04:30<d3v1ous>!bg
04:30<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net)
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04:31<jm_>d3v1ous: it will work fine but you will have to build a custom kernel
04:31<d3v1ous>mhm, thanks jm_
04:32<matt7676>petemc: I know how to purge packages, but I would like to know how to feed in packages to "dpkg -P" one at time
04:33<petemc>why would you?
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04:34<Supaplex>man xargs?
04:35<paolo>Hello!
04:35<Supaplex>!olleH
04:35<paolo>Wich is the channel with warnings for sid upgrades?
04:35<paolo>(-:
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04:36<penpen>gwindow 2
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04:37<Supaplex>paolo: http://bugs.debian.org
04:38<paolo>the bugs page??
04:38<paolo>but may it alert me BEFORE i upgrade?
04:38<Supaplex>it may, if you check
04:39<paolo>so it could be the same solution as using apt-listbugs
04:40<Supaplex>right
04:41<Supaplex>apt-listchanges can't hurt
04:41<Supaplex>or dda
04:41<Supaplex>!dda
04:41<dpkg>debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process and it's your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' debian-devel-announce-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null" or http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe Ask me about <apt-listchanges>
04:41<Supaplex>but irc channel for all this, to warn users? haha. no.
04:42<paolo>ok thank u dpkg
04:42<Supaplex>dpkg: botsnack
04:42<paolo>I read about the story of an irc channel on th debian wiki....
04:42<Supaplex>did it mention the name?
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04:43<Supaplex>I've never heard of said channel in that context.
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04:43<paolo>1 minute i'll link it ... :-)
04:45<paolo>http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Unstable see at the first line
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04:56<paolo>R u ther yet Supaplex?
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05:13<zixs_work>Is it ok to delete all files in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
05:13<petemc>yes
05:13<shamanix>if you dont need em
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05:13<zixs_work>is it just installation files that i have used already?
05:14<petemc>apt-get clean will do it for you
05:14<petemc>yes
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05:14<zixs_work>ok thanks'
05:14<shamanix>basically anything inthere will not be redownloaded if aptitude, synaptic, etc need them
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05:15<zixs_work>oh sweet :P saved another 800 mb on that :P'
05:16<paolo>Hello!
05:16<paolo>Where can I read about sid warnings before i upgrade?
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05:16<shamanix>dont know, I know sidux does something like that automagically, but vanilla sid I don't know
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05:17<paolo>yes infact i used sidux in the past but i want to learn more about sid doing it by me!!
05:18<paolo>however thanku very much for answering, shamanix
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05:19<zixs_work>what is evolution?
05:20<shamanix>e-mail client i think, or I'm confusing it with something else
05:21<paolo>zixs_work it is a mail client and a calendar manager
05:21<zixs_work>removing it then'
05:21<paolo>no no!
05:21<paolo>don't remove it
05:21<zixs_work>ah ill save 134 MB ;P
05:21<shamanix>cool I got it right
05:21<paolo>zixs_work wich release do you use?
05:22<shamanix>holy #$%^ is it that big?
05:22<zixs_work>5.0 i think
05:22<paolo>lenny?
05:22<zixs_work>eee pc version
05:22<paolo>ok
05:22<zixs_work>aye
05:23<paolo>the problem is that if you try to uninstall evolution you will uninstall all gnome for its dependencies....
05:23<shamanix>its probably safe to remove, I dont have it installed on my lenny box
05:23<petemc>paolo: thats not true
05:23<paolo>ok
05:23<petemc>it may remove the gnome metapackage
05:23<petemc>but thats fine
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05:23<paolo>you can safely remove only the evolution package, but not the volution-common one!
05:23<petemc>what?
05:24<shamanix>holy ^*($ that thing has more dependencies than you can shake a stick at
05:24<petemc>evolution is generally considered to be crap
05:24<petemc>big crap
05:24<paolo>petemc after you remove the metepackega
05:24<paolo>apt starts to suggest you
05:25<paolo>the "auotoremove" operation
05:25<paolo>to remove all packages related to it!
05:25<zixs_work>why not evolution-common?
05:25<zixs_work>'
05:26<paolo>becaus it is a strict dipendence for a lot of other gnome packages
05:26<shamanix>now I'm confused
05:26<shamanix>!confuse shamanix
05:26<dpkg>Yes, those are your gouda yesterday, shamanix? Lederhosen of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra cheese.
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05:27<paolo>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21641 read here
05:27<zixs_work>hmm its aleady gone :P
05:27<paolo>tha package you don't have to remove is evolution-data-server-common
05:28<petemc>you keep changing your mind
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05:28<zixs_work>gone to :P
05:28<shamanix>hmm, you might want to reinstall those
05:28<zixs_work>nah
05:28<shamanix>I generally keep my gnome to a minimum, but I noticed I have those installed as well
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05:29<Falsechicken>when i boot lenny my boot time is hung up by MTP taking forever to start. any suggestions on how to speed it up?
05:29<shamanix>MTP?
05:30<paolo>yes, for every DE is better to keep it to a minumal install
05:30<paolo>what's MTP?
05:30<Falsechicken>i think thats what it is. i dont really remember it starts right after cups
05:30<shamanix>minimalist desktops rule!
05:30<kooll>perhaps a type of NTP
05:30<kooll>typo
05:30<paolo>yeah shamanix!!!!
05:30<kooll>damn. one shouldn't make errors typing typo :)
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05:31<Falsechicken>its not ntp i dont have that installed
05:31<petemc>its probaly exim, MTA
05:31<shamanix>mtp=media transfer protocol?
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05:31<Falsechicken>i think so
05:31<petemc>it does that if an interface is brought up but theres no link
05:31<paolo>can u rade something related to it in dmesg?
05:31<paolo>*read
05:32<petemc>Falsechicken: do you have interfaces set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces ?
05:32<shamanix>I never used it, never even knew such a thing exists, until I googled it up lol
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05:32<Falsechicken>i dont believe i do. I use static
05:33<petemc>you dont believe you do?
05:33<petemc>or you dont?
05:33<Falsechicken>i dont
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05:33<petemc>so how do you bring up your network interface?
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05:35<petemc>in any case, if exim is causing delays on boot, its due to it thinking it has a network connection, but there not being a working one, so it has to wait to time
05:35<petemc>out
05:35<gsimmons>!tell Falsechicken -about exim boot stall
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05:36<petemc>thats one way to fix, another is to use ifplugd, or not have an interface set to come up when theres no link
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05:38<MyWifeIs19>Falsechicken, on etch, I installed "file server" package through tasksel. It wind up installing appletalk stuff which resulted in the symptom, or something very similar, you describe.
05:38<paolo>he's gone
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05:46<cne>x
05:46<cne>(:
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05:49<cne>jest jakis polak ? (:
05:50<dr|z3d>!pl
05:50<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
05:50<cne>dzieki
05:51<jrabbit>lol
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05:54<shamanix>esküszöm néha olyan furcsa nyelveket beszélnek itt, alig lehet kitalálni mit akarnak mondani (i'll give a beer for anyone who guesses the language I used)
05:56<ml|>hungarian
05:56<shamanix>!beer ml|
05:56*dpkg pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for ml|
05:56<ml|>:)
05:56<themill>beat me to it :(
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06:06<cne>na polskim kanale nikogo nie ma ? :|
06:07<dr|z3d>!pl
06:07<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
06:07<themill>cne: /server irc.freenode.net
06:07<dr|z3d>cne: Take a hint. Speak English here or go elsewhere to speak Polish.
06:08<cne>sorry im new, i didnt knew
06:08<dr|z3d>irc://irc.freenode.net/debian-pl
06:08<cne>i just asked, btw on my canal i dont see anyone, thx for hint
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06:09<zhoujingrui1113>hi i need help
06:09<zhoujingrui1113>is there anyone there?
06:09<jm_>no
06:09<dr|z3d>1tell zhoujingrui1113 about ask
06:09<dr|z3d>!tell zhoujingrui1113 about ask
06:09*dr|z3d stabs his failing keyboard.
06:10<zhoujingrui1113>sorry
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06:10<zhoujingrui1113>my system ubuntu 8.10 no sound
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06:10<zhoujingrui1113>when i started it
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06:11<dr|z3d>!ubuntu
06:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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06:11<dr|z3d>Wrong channel/network, zhoujingrui1113
06:11<zhoujingrui1113>ok sorry
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06:14<cne>im looking for polish debian user (:
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06:17<jm_>cne: why does it have to be polish?
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06:18<cne>i doesnt have to be polish, but for me is more friendly to talk in my native language
06:18<mobil-7k>to understand him better, guess
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06:18<cne>it*
06:18<cne>ok then, nvm
06:19<cne>i got problem with aptitude
06:19<matt7676>I am using XFCE4 desktop environment and would like to associate .ods files with OpenOffice_Cacl icons and .odt OpenOffice_Writer icons. How to accomplish that?
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06:21<ayose>Hola, alguien conoce algun chat español?
06:21<weasel>!es
06:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:21<cne>because of dependecy i guess, aptitude uninstalled 300mb of system data, for example gdm, i fully trusted that something like that wont happen, but i was wrong (im new debian user), and i want recover that files, is somewhere something like log about installed/uninstalled packages? and if so, where it is ? thx
06:22<ml|>cne: /var/log/aptitude
06:22<Supaplex>cne: /var/backups/
06:23<cne>thank you both, i check it :)
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06:24<jm_>also /var/log/dpkg.log
06:24*Supaplex 's head aches
06:24<cne>ok thank u :)
06:25<ml|>cne: in the future read what aptitude is asking/telling you carefully
06:25<jm_>or use aptitude -s
06:25<ml|>right
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06:25<Supaplex>left
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06:26<shamanix>cne: must have been something very important that aptitude erased gdm
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06:30<cne>from the beginning i used apt-get, and when i tried to update by aptitude update - aptitude said that those pkg's are not needed, that was the reason shamanix
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06:30<jm_>cne: ahh you'd just mark one as manualyl installed
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06:31<cne>it seems to...
06:31<dr|z3d>cne: If gdm's not installable there, or causing issues, try aptitude install slim
06:32<shamanix>another vote for SLiM
06:32<interbird>on squeeze, trying to install nautilus-image-converter proposes to remove nautilus itself and lots of gnome, i suppose it has to do with the move to 2.26
06:33<cne>slim is something similar to gdm right ?
06:33<shamanix>cne: yes
06:33<cne>ok thanx :)
06:33<dr|z3d>matt7676: Right click on the file(type) you wish to associate, properties, and then choose the parent app. Not difficult.
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06:34<cne>btw good to see helpful ppl here (:
06:34<dr|z3d>cne: If you have multipe DE's installed, you may need to tweak slim to recognise them all.
06:34<dr|z3d>We're as unhelpful as they come in Polish ;)
06:35<shamanix>http://slim.berlios.de/
06:35<cne>sorry it never happen again (:
06:35<dr|z3d>ie: We don't speak Polish, mostly.
06:35<dr|z3d>Hit us up in English, magic happens.
06:35<dr|z3d>No problem, everyone learns. Some even listen :)
06:36<matt7676>dr|z3d: I did taht, but the icon of the .ods or .odt file doesn't change
06:36<matt7676>*that
06:36<cne>^^
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06:36<dr|z3d>Is the application associated, matt7676, or not?
06:37<matt7676>dr|z3d: application is associated
06:37<dr|z3d>Try a reboot, maybe your icon cache will get rebuilt with new icons.
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06:38<matt7676>dr|z3d: ok, I had no idea that Linux has icon cache as well :) However, I'll try
06:38<ml|>or restart X
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06:40<dr|z3d>matt7676: Most OS's have an icon cache.
06:40<shamanix>matt7676 linux caches everything it can, thats why after a few hours it will look like your ram is full
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06:42<weasel>WTH are you guys talking about
06:42<locklace>you ought to know better than to ask
06:42<dr|z3d>shamanix: Icon cache is something else. Not cached in ram, cached to hd.
06:43*dr|z3d refers weasel to the backlog. :)
06:43<weasel>I read part of the backlog.
06:43<weasel>that only made me conclude that you are all crazy, insane or stupid.
06:43<matt7676>dr|z3d: unfortunately restart didn't help. Both .ods and .odt files are associated properly with OpenOffice_Calc and OpenOffice_Writer, but icons are wrong.
06:44*dr|z3d sedates weasel with a beer.
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06:45<ml|>matt7676: does it let you manually change the icon, maybe try that
06:47<matt7676>ml|: no, I tried that at the first place. XFCE is bit wierd in this point.
06:47*dr|z3d wonders what the difference between crazy and insane is.
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06:48<Supaplex>!confuse dr|z3d
06:48<dpkg>Yes, what are your snake yesterday, dr|z3d? Trousers of the People's Republic of Tibet with extra cream.
06:48<ml|>lol
06:48<dr|z3d>!batter Supaplex
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06:49<ml|>matt7676: maybe the icon theme you are using does not have an icon for that
06:49<hagbard>Hi guys, I'm trying to fine-tune my debian installation, removing unnecessary packages etc
06:50<hagbard>And I saw gnome-desktop-environment depends on ekiga
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06:50<Supaplex>hagbard: check the release notes for upgrade suggestions regarding clean up of unneeded stuff. plenty of suggestions.
06:50<hagbard>Thanks
06:51<themill>!install gnome
06:51<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
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06:52<ml|>crazy = Characterized by weakness or feebleness; decrepit; broken; falling to decay; shaky; unsafe.
06:52<themill>hagbard: ^^ note also that these are only metapackages so you can remove things that they drag in and let them be uninstalled, but you will need to stop apt-get/aptitude from wanting to autoremove the remaining pieces. /msg dpkg unmarkauto
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06:52<Supaplex>dpkg: define insane
06:52<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Supaplex
06:53<ml|>insane = Exhibiting unsoundness or disorder of mind; not sane; mad; deranged in mind; delirious; distracted. See {Insanity}
06:53<hagbard>themill, ah, thanks for the heads up
06:53<matt7676>ml|: I don't know. Based on what XFCE chooses an icon for file? Based on file extension?
06:54*Supaplex paradigm shifts into sleep mode ;)
06:54<dr|z3d>matt7676: irc://irc.freenode.net/xfce is possibly a better place to ask.
06:55<ml|>matt7676: some icon themes don't have all the icons you might need or want
06:56<matt7676>ml|: but if I installed OO.o package, it should add those icons for icontheme
06:57<ml|>the gnome icon theme package should cover most of them
06:57<ml|>dunno about that, but it should
06:58<dr|z3d>!define whimsical weasel
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07:04<ml|>matt7676: /usr/share/icons/ <--- you can see what icons you have, by looking in there
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07:05<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:13<shamanix>guys I'm trying to set up automounting for removable media, searching in synaptic I found these: am-utils, autofs, gnome-volume-manager, ivman. what do you think is the best choice for what I'm trying to do?
07:15<ml|>dpkg: tell shamanix about usbmount
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07:23<Falsechicken>can anyone offer some help on ndiswrapper?
07:24<Falsechicken>I got it installed and running and it sees my device and says it is present. And I checked lsusb it is the correct device. but when I do a iwconfig it says its not there
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07:26<Falsechicken>I got it installed and running and it sees my device and says it is present. And I checked lsusb it is the correct device. but when I do a iwconfig it says its not there
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07:29<hagbard>anyone here successfully removed evolution-data-server?
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07:32<dr|z3d>hagbard: Sure; there are quite a few dependencies, however.
07:32<dr|z3d>Gnome being one of them, I think.
07:32<Falsechicken>so no takers on my issue? lol
07:33<jm_>!ndiswrapper
07:33<dpkg>NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net.
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07:33<jm_>try the wiki page
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07:34<Falsechicken>ok. thanks. wanted to check here first. figured it would be faster. ill check the wiki
07:34<locklace>i like how people think checking irc before documentation is faster
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07:35<Falsechicken>it gets rid of complication
07:35<dr|z3d>locklace: It's called "indolence".
07:35<Falsechicken>for example you may be able to explain it better than the docs can
07:36<dr|z3d>Check documentation online, then refer to irc for clarification. That's my route, anyways.
07:37<dr|z3d>You tend to get a lot more respect from helpers when they know you've tried some research first.
07:37<Falsechicken>ill remember that
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07:39<ml|>i check docs then ask on irc, but if i have no clue on what i should be looking for i'll ask in irc to get pointed in the right direction
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07:39<dr|z3d>Sure, that's legit also.
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07:39<dr|z3d>What I find most vexing is folk that treat irc like their own personal google service :/
07:39<ml|>heh
07:39<ml|>yeah
07:40<dr|z3d>They ask something, you google, only to find their answer is available and complete, online.
07:40<dr|z3d>(and easily discoverable).
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07:41<hagbard>dr|z3d, well, thats just a metapackage anyways
07:41<hagbard>the real trick is evolution-data-server-common
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07:42<solomaldoso>hola
07:42<dr|z3d>hagbard: I find synaptic's helpful when you're trying to all associated packages.
07:42<dr|z3d>!es
07:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:42<dr|z3d>*trying to locate
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08:09<Falsechicken>I got the wireless working but only in root.
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08:10<Falsechicken>In root i get the little wireless icon next to my clock but i dont get that in my account. And i looked for it under the add to panel menu. any suggestions?
08:10<Noven>sounds like a permissions problem
08:10<Falsechicken>may be. but i dont know how to fix it
08:11<Falsechicken>thats why im here lol
08:11<shiznatix>can someone give me a link or tell me how to setup apache2 with mod_ssl? I have googled everything i could think and found nothing that actually worked.
08:11<jm_>shiznatix: did you look on debian-administration web page?
08:11<d3v1ous>shiznatix http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Setting_up_an_SSL_server_with_Apache2
08:12<weasel>Falsechicken: are you in the netdev group?
08:12<jm_>heh that one
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08:12<Falsechicken>i i think i just got it.
08:12<shiznatix>ha ok I did check it but no more than 1 minute ago it was giving "server on fire!" for like 10 minutes
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08:12<Falsechicken>I went to users and checked the box that says i can connect ot wireless networks
08:13<Falsechicken>to*
08:13<Falsechicken>now i gotta test it, if not ill add myself to that group
08:13<Falsechicken>brb
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08:13<weasel>"are you in the netdev group?" - "I went to users and checked the box that says i can connect ot wireless networks"
08:14<weasel>*sigh* what have we come to
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08:14<shiznatix>Well sadly the tutorial says to use "apache2-ssl-certificate" but its not installed and not in the repos
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08:15<Falsechicken>works now thanks
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08:18<locklace>weasel: ubuntu
08:18<d3v1ous>shiznatix
08:18<d3v1ous>do you find it?
08:19<matt7676>I had XFCE, but I installed Gnome. I changed the content of /home/username/.xinitrc file to: gnome-session. However, the default desktop environment, which opens up, is XFCE. GDM is /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm. How to change the default desktop environment?
08:19<shiznatix>d3v1ous, negative. The only thing I can find is this make-ssl-cert but from what I read it has a bug that only lets you create a 30 day certificate. I want a lifetime one since this is for a small 5 computer network and doesn't matter so much
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08:20<jm_>matt7676: how do you start X?
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08:21<d3v1ous>shiznatix
08:21<weasel>matt7676: xinitrc is the wrong file to begin with,
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08:21<d3v1ous>he come with apache2-common
08:21<d3v1ous>package
08:21<matt7676>jm_: it starts automatically(but I don't see a script for X under rc2.d)
08:21<aero>Hello............
08:21<jm_>matt7676: so display manager then? if so, which one?
08:21<weasel>matt7676: you care about your session, not x initialisation. so .xsession is the file you should modify
08:21<aero>can you guys help me?
08:21<weasel>matt7676: and then of course modern display managers give you a choice of sessions,
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08:22<shiznatix>d3v1ous, this is already installed
08:22<ml|>!ask
08:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:22<weasel>matt7676: some of which are "xfce", "gnome", or even plain old .xsession, however that one's called these days
08:22<d3v1ous>shiznatix http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=629641
08:23<d3v1ous>jm_ can tell me how to stop cmov supporting, now i install custom kernel?
08:24<jm_>d3v1ous: go to Processor type and features -> Processor family, select the right one
08:24<weasel>what kind of cpu do you have?
08:24<d3v1ous>mhm :)
08:24<d3v1ous>i dont know
08:24<d3v1ous>75Mhz socket 755
08:24<d3v1ous>maybe..
08:25<jm_>try cpuid tool
08:25<matt7676>weasel: I don't have .xession file. Should i create one?
08:25<weasel>matt7676: if you want to. selecting the session in gdm when you log in should suffice however
08:25<d3v1ous>jm_ i not have working system on it
08:25<matt7676>jm_: I have two display managers installed: XFCE and Gnome
08:26<shiznatix>d3v1ous, aye thanks, got it working
08:26<weasel>matt7676: those are not display managers.
08:26<weasel>matt7676: xfce and gnome are desktop environments
08:26<d3v1ous>jm_ there have only 386,486,586,Pentium-Classic,Pentium-MMX,Pentium-Pro
08:26<weasel>gdm is your display manager
08:26<d3v1ous>i think cuz i have 386
08:26<jm_>matt7676: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager or some similar file
08:26<d3v1ous>and this will be good for me
08:26<jm_>d3v1ous: there are far more than just that
08:27<matt7676>weasel: display manager is this prompt where i insert my username and password?
08:27<d3v1ous>oo :)
08:27<weasel>matt7676: yes.
08:27<d3v1ous>yeah yeah sorry,....
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08:28<d3v1ous>so i marked 386, this look more oldest from other :)
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08:28<weasel>I'm unsure what you are trying to achive
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08:28<jm_>keep in mind very few people actually test/run modern kernels on 386 so you may be in for a surprise
08:28<weasel>the actual 80386 CPU is no longer supported by debian.
08:29<jm_>yes, he can't boot debian kernel
08:29<d3v1ous>jm_ i installed debian sarge with default kernel, but i will install custom kernel without cmov support
08:29<jm_>(for lenny)
08:29<d3v1ous>and i will try with both of this
08:29<weasel>jm_: it's unlikely that the userland will be any better
08:29<jm_>weasel: has anyone tried it?
08:29<weasel>I doubt it
08:30<jm_>ok we will see soon ;)
08:30<weasel>what a waste of time
08:30<d3v1ous>i think cuz i will no have any problems with 2.4 kernel
08:30<weasel>lenny no longer works on 2.4 kernels
08:30<d3v1ous>im on sarge :)
08:30<d3v1ous>not lenny
08:30<weasel>sarge is not supported anymore
08:30<themill>jm_: libc6 now requires 486 instructions
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08:30<d3v1ous>i searched the cmov string with the menuconfig and i see disabled funcion
08:30<d3v1ous>function
08:31<jm_>themill: do you have any references for that?
08:31<d3v1ous>boys, my problem is, i installed lenny netinstall and i tried to boot, but i recive: This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: cmov
08:32<d3v1ous>so now i installed sarge, and will try :)
08:32<jm_>well changelog says -march=i486 -mtune=generic so it may well not work indeed
08:32<weasel>cmov is in i686. the 386 kernel should not require cmov.
08:32<d3v1ous>yeah :))
08:32<d3v1ous>i think cuz sarge is on 386
08:32<weasel>d3v1ous: it's also "because" and not "cuz"
08:33<d3v1ous>oke oke, sorry for my language..
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08:33<jm_>so basically it's probably not worth bothering with lenny then
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08:34<d3v1ous>weasel i downloaded 2.6.29.4 (lastest) kernel from kernel.org, how to disable cmov support?
08:34<d3v1ous>and this kernel will working on me?
08:34*weasel shakes his head.
08:34<d3v1ous>:)
08:34<weasel>nothing funny here
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08:37<weasel>you don't even know which CPU you're on for crying out loud
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08:40<themill>jm_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/04/msg01895.html and ensuing shitfight^Wdiscussion covers some of the points. (libstdc++ not libc6, but I thought I read something similar about 2 years ago for libc6 too but I'm never going to find it now!)
08:41<matt7676>weasel: ok, at the moment I have both XFCE display manager and XFCE desktop environment. Now if I would like to have Gnome display manager and Gnome desktop environment started by default, I should make the content of default-display-manager file "/usr/bin/gdm" and create .xession file in every users home directory with content "gnome-session"?
08:41<jm_>themill: yup, found it in libc6 changelog, thanks
08:41<themill>jm_: even better :)
08:41<weasel>matt7676: there is no XFCE display manager
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08:41<jm_>I was aware of libstdc++
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08:42<shiznatix>Ok I am trying to get my server on a static IP (192.168.0.150) but whenever I do, it won't go back on the internet. Here is my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/d256beb18
08:42<ml|>matt7676: in gdm just select gonme-session
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08:43<ml|>and make it default
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08:43<buffoon_work_>shiznatix, you need to define your network and dns servers too, just the IP Address isn't enough
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08:44<tone>I need help mounting a usb drive. fdisk -l doesn't report the drive, but gnome shows it in file browser
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08:45<shiznatix>buffoon_work_, roger but being not a super network guy, would the network and dns servers be the router that it is connected to?
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08:47<buffoon_work_>shiznatix, the gateway is the IP Address of your router yes. I don't know about the DNS server. It might be the router but it might not. try 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' when internet works to figure that out
08:47<jm_>tone: what exactly is the problem?
08:48<buffoon_work_>then add the lines "gateway <router ip>" and "dns-nameserver <dns ip>" to your interface in the interfaces that you pasted
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08:54<tone>jm: sorry for such a delay. I plug the usb drive in, it shows up in the file browser window, but does not show up with a fdisk -l
08:54<jm_>tone: cat /proc/partitions
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08:55<tone>jm: i see my two hard drives, like normal
08:55<jm_>tone: but no USB drive? then check kernel messages
08:55<jm_>dmesg command
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08:56<tone>like dmesg | grep usb maybe?
08:56<jm_>well just read stuff at the end - it will likely be just for this
08:57<tone>ah, theres some info!
08:57<matt7676>ml|: ok, I choosed GNOME from GDM. However, is there a file where GDM wrote, that now the default desktop environment is GNOME or how does it work?
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08:59<tone>jm: thanks for the dmesg tip, i don't know why i didnt think of that myself.
09:01<jm_>tone: no worries
09:01<tone>jm: the output of the messages though is still kind of foriegn to me, i don't see filesystem info, or anything that might help me mount
09:01<tone>jm: scsi7 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
09:02<jm_>tone: yes, that's a problem with USB - it's not easy to tell what is the problem if something goes wrong
09:02<tone>hmmm
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09:05<jm_>tone: I've seen people asked to use usbmon to collect info and then someone familiar with USB can say what's going on
09:07<tone>jm: ok, thanks. one last question, any idea how the icon for the drive can show up in the file browserbut not be reported on fdisk?
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09:07<tone>jm: just for curiosity's sake
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09:09<jm_>tone: hmm not really, I never used GNOME so I have no idea what tools it uses for this - probably gets some event via hal
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09:10<tone>jm: what desktop do you use?
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09:10<jm_>tone: no desktop, just window manager + apps
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09:11<tone>jm: wow, hardcore : )
09:11<tone>jm: anyway, appreciate the help
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09:35<avtobiff>what linux config option is lvm, i cannot find the "Logical Volume Manager" option when running menuconfig.
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09:36<avtobiff>is it enough to set CONFIG_MD and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD?
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09:40<Tuss>Resuming from suspend on my thinkpad behaves rather wierd on my thinkpad (T42) with sid: when I open the lid, it seemingly resumes, shows the console for a while and then goes back to sleep again. However, the second time I open the lid, it wakes up as supposed! Any ideas what might cause this?
09:41<dr|z3d>Tuss: Less than optimal drivers, probably.
09:41<Tuss>Probably. It worked just fine with lenny though.
09:41<locklace>avtobiff: yep
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09:41<gsimmons>avtobiff: WRT LVM2, you only require device-mapper.
09:41<dr|z3d>Tuss: In which case, welcome to regression-land!
09:42<Tuss>Haha
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09:42<avtobiff>locklace, gsimmons
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09:42<avtobiff>ty ^
09:42<Tuss>Running unstable versions can't go unpunished I supposed. :)
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09:42<locklace>Tuss: can you boot with init=/bin/bash and see whether the same thing happens
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09:43<Tuss>I'll try and see what happens.
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09:54<Tuss>I forgot to take notes on who suggested it, but booting with init=/bin/bash didn't even suspend when I closed the lid or typed "susupend"
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09:58<locklace>Tuss: sorry, forgot to mention that you'll need to have the uswsup package installed, mount /proc and /sys once the shell comes up, and initiate the suspend with "s2ram -f" (possibly adding other options like -p or -a).
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10:00<locklace>(in particular, if the resume "works" but fails to restore the screen, you'll need one or more of those additional options, -p is a good thing to try first)
10:01<enouf>avtobiff: grep the config for DM
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10:04<enouf>CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM= .. well it's not in .29, but is in .16 (along with others)
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10:05<enouf>oh i am blind, .. nm
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10:26<Simon1245>Hello everyone
10:26<Simon1245>I need help, sudo apt-get update says i need to add a key for <the repository> anyone know a good guide?
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10:28<buffoon_work_>Simon1245, get the key from <the repository> and import it?
10:29<Simon1245>How do i get it? By sudo apt-get update?
10:29<themill>Simon1245: which release? what key? is your machine up to date?
10:29<Simon1245>themill: It was long time ago i updated it. Like 4months i think maybe more. I went back to Windows to play again so i don't really know
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10:30<themill>Simon1245: you probably want to update the debian-archive-keyring package
10:31<Simon1245>Yea sure
10:32<bja>!tel Simon1245 why aptitude
10:32<Simon1245>!tell Simon1245 Why aptitude
10:32<Simon1245>Thanks
10:33<bja>Simon1245: You are not supposed to do that, ;P
10:33<bja>Simon1245: thx anyway
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10:34<d3v1ous>!tell d3v1ous Why aptitude
10:35<bja>d3v1ous: send a message directly to the bot
10:35<d3v1ous>k
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10:36<bja>dpkg: tell d3v1ous selftell
10:36<d3v1ous>you miss !
10:36<themill>so much fail in one place
10:37<Simon1245>How do i fix it? Please someone tell me
10:37<bja><dpkg> No, bja, I won't. (target invalid?) ???
10:38<bja>Does that mean that dpkg is no longer my friend buahhhhh
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10:40<wardragon>hi to everyone
10:40<Simon1245>Hello
10:41<wardragon>can i ask you some help?
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10:41<bja>dpkg: tell Simon1245 about beer
10:42<dr|z3d>!ask
10:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:42<Simon1245>This is the question sudo apt-get update sais i need to add a key for <the repository> anyone know a good guide?
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10:43<bja>dpkg: tell dr|z3d beer
10:43<wardragon>i'm running debian testing and unstable, i would now i f someone know libpam-script
10:43<dr|z3d>Simon1245: Have you googled?
10:43<wardragon>yes
10:44<themill>Simon1245: you probably want to update the debian-archive-keyring package
10:44<bja>Why does the bot sometimes sends messages and sometimes gives "target invalid" ?
10:44<wardragon>it seems that there was un upload, but in the current version, there is nolibpam-script module
10:44<themill>bja: you get that message if the nick you asked for doesn't exist in the channel
10:45<bja>themill: According to your line, you don't exist on the channel :/
10:45<bja>themill: Now you do exist??
10:45<Simon1245>How do i update the debian-archive-keyring?
10:46<themill>Simon1245: "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring" should do it
10:46<Simon1245>I get errors
10:46<Simon1245>Wanna take a look?
10:46<themill>!paste
10:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
10:48<Simon1245>Here
10:48<Simon1245>http://paste.debian.net/37351/
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10:49<themill>Simon1245: did you read the last line of the output?
10:49<Simon1245>Yea
10:50<Simon1245>do i need to do "sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
10:50<themill>only if you've installed and configured sudo on that machine.
10:50*bja sees how Simon1245 gets enlightment
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10:51<Simon1245>It is i think
10:51<themill>Simon1245: you never told us what version of debian this is. Can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg aptitude debian-archive-keyring ; apt-cache policy" for us?
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10:51<Simon1245>Sure
10:52<jthomas_sb> Is it possible to run SMART on a drive by pointing at the /dev/disk/by-uuid/_____ name? Seems that those only point to partitions, not devices
10:52<Simon1245>http://paste.debian.net/37352/
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10:54<themill>Simon1245: you have an interesting mix of releases there. etch is no longer "stable" so your use of "stable" in your sources.list makes for trouble.
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10:55<themill>Simon1245: If you want to stay with etch (which is supported for another 7 or 8 months or so), then change all the mentions of "stable" to "etch" and be happy. If you want to upgrade to lenny, then read the release notes (/msg dpkg etch->lenny).
10:56<themill>Simon1245: In either case, you can get rid of the non-US lines as they haven't been needed for years.
10:56<timo1teo>I'm trying to create a bootable image from the system I have installed on my machine, should I use bootcd? any other packages i should know about?
10:57<Simon1245>I Will read this :)
10:57<Simon1245>If i upgrade to Lenny will i lose everything i have on this?
10:57<ranix>I have two hard drives, sda and sdb. I have cloned sda1 to sdb1, and wish to switch to sdb for all purposes and throw sda away. sdb has a different partition table than sda because its partition is larger physically (100gb instead of 40gb), so I don't want to copy the entire mbr of sda to sdb, correct?
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10:58<bja>themill: Sorry to ask but what is the purpose of the semicolon on your one liner?
10:58<jthomas_sb>timo1teo i've been trying that for a long time, never really been successful. Although, CloneZilla was able to help me recently with a bootable, installable clone, but not a LiveCD of my machine
10:58<themill>bja: it's two separate commands; the semicolon indicates that to the shell
10:58<bja>themill: thx
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11:01<locklace>ranix: you should install the bootloader separately on sdb
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11:02<Simon1245>themill: Could i get your sources.list? Because mine is deleted, most of the things from it
11:02<timo1teo>jthomas_sb: I guess it doesn't HAVE to be an exact clone of my machine, im just trying to get a bootable image that will be boot live on a number of computers in a specific lab (most of the computers there are exactly the same machine), and the image must have preconfigured settings (such as iceweasel clearing cache and cookies upon exit)
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11:02<themill>Simon1245: it wouldn't help you very much. "/msg dpkg sources.list" and man 5 sources.list
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11:04<jthomas_sb>timo1teo yeah even that, I've not been successful with. Remastersys works for Lenny I believe but I want KDE4 in my LiveCD :) http://www.remastersys.klikit-linux.com/debian.html
11:04<jthomas_sb>or look into Reconstructor maybe
11:04<jthomas_sb>or, go with *buntu for the custom CD :(
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11:05<DebianInstallSucks>is there a reason why the debian install defaults to a 1600x resolution?
11:05<themill>DebianInstallSucks: it doesn't. It defaults to 80x25 in text mode.
11:05<dekiller>hi2all
11:06<DebianInstallSucks>text mode is fine, the default gui resolution defaults to 1600x on my machine, first time my monitor ever refused to display
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11:06<Simon1245>themill: Sorry, I have to go. Thank you for your help
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11:07<Simon1245>themill: I will be back later and i hope you can help me then, Thank you :) and Bye
11:07<DebianInstallSucks>right clicking on the kde desktop does not help, the built in resolution changer is not working
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11:07<dr|z3d>DebianInstallSucks: Try xrandr, perhaps.
11:07<DebianInstallSucks>I could try hacking the config files but I am looking for a standard method, not config file hacking
11:07<dekiller>i need some information about cpu on eeepc 900...more: my cpu workin in dinamic mode, whow off this dinamic mode...i need all of 900Mg?
11:08<DebianInstallSucks>xrandr did not work
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11:08<themill>DebianInstallSucks: in what way did it not work? what was its output? what modes did it say it could display at?
11:09<DebianInstallSucks>first, xrandr needs to have the xserver running, so I had to use ctrl-alt keypad - to get the screen to show at all
11:09<locklace>!tell dekiller about ru
11:09<dekiller>what?
11:09<noflash>dekiller, there's #debian-eeepc you might find an answer there
11:10<DebianInstallSucks>xrandr showed a list of modes, alot of them, but it would not set the mode to 800x600, said it was not available, even thou it was in the list
11:10<dekiller>ok
11:10<DebianInstallSucks>it's worth noting that I am running an Nvidia card, and I need the driver for it
11:10<themill>DebianInstallSucks: xorg is using the best mode that your monitor is claiming is available.
11:10<DebianInstallSucks>but there is no way I am gunna work on a computer that has such totaly bogus resolution
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11:11<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: are you saying you want a 800x600 resolution?
11:11<DebianInstallSucks>actually, there is no way my monitor can support 1600x
11:11<DebianInstallSucks>I need 800x600, my driver has yet to be installed
11:11<azeem>how do you get 1600x without a driver?
11:12<DebianInstallSucks>no nvidida driver, no resolution over 800x600
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11:12<DebianInstallSucks>azeem, that is why I am logged in with this name...
11:12<azeem>hrm?
11:12<themill>DebianInstallSucks: to troll about and piss us off, you mean?
11:12<azeem>themill: please keep it on topic
11:12<DebianInstallSucks>my monitor refuses to display 1600x
11:12<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: and who wants to display it?
11:12<DebianInstallSucks>no I need to vent real bad, as much as I need to get this working
11:12<azeem>if you do not have a driver installed?
11:13<themill>DebianInstallSucks: if you're intending to install the nvidia drivers, then why not concentrate on installing them first and futzing about with xorg resolutions once you've got a better supported video driver?
11:14<DebianInstallSucks>yes, that is an option, but had wanted to use a graphical install for the driver
11:14<azeem>is this about the graphical installer?
11:14<jthomas_sb>doesn't eeepc use Intel drivers? my 701 does.
11:14<DebianInstallSucks>also, 1600x is never going to fly, no matter teh driver
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11:14<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: please be more specific
11:14<azeem>17:03 < DebianInstallSucks> is there a reason why the debian install defaults to a 1600x resolution?
11:15<azeem>what part of the Debian install defaults to that resolution?
11:15<DebianInstallSucks>that's it, every other install does not do that to me
11:15<DebianInstallSucks>Kde destop
11:15<azeem>so *after* the install?
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11:15<junix>does anyone know if there is a nightly build to fix bug #528351
11:15<DebianInstallSucks>well, you can't boot untill after the install, so yes
11:15<xemacs4321>debian install probably only knows about vga modes not full card capabilities ! seems resasonable to me
11:15<jthomas_sb>945GME express Integrated Graphics Controller, per my coworkers EeePC
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11:16<sun>hi i made an ext4 partition with gparted (running testing) but i can't mount it, mount doesnt recognize ext4, what should i do?
11:16<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: so which driver are you using when you get 1600x?
11:16<jthomas_sb>ah but he has an EeePC 1000, my mistake
11:16<DebianInstallSucks>if all it knew about was vga it would work
11:16<DebianInstallSucks>what ever driver it defaults to
11:16<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: so probably nv
11:16<DebianInstallSucks>if I know how to use apt better, I would just install the nvidia driver
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11:16<themill>or possibly vesa, depending on the chipset
11:17<azeem>that might make sense, I think you can't xrandr vesa, can you?
11:17<jthomas_sb>being not-Free Software, i don't think it is in Apt
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11:17<themill>azeem: maybe... too long since I've put up with vesa for long enough to find out
11:17<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: so is the problem that your KDE desktop cannot be displayed because your monitor does not support the resolution?
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11:17<DebianInstallSucks>dunno, ubuntu has a way to get the nvidia driver installed
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11:18<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: Ubuntu does not care
11:18<xemacs4321>then go use ubuntu
11:18<DebianInstallSucks>no, my kde desktop cannot be displayed because the resolution is wildly unrealistic
11:18<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: what do you mean?
11:18<DebianInstallSucks>I did, ubtuntu has it's own problems
11:18<azeem>is it displayed or not?
11:18<xemacs4321>then switch drivers after install
11:19<azeem>1600x(what?) is not "wildly unrealistic"
11:19<DebianInstallSucks>the desktop does not display at all
11:19<DebianInstallSucks>1600x is not going to happen on my monitor
11:19<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: isn't that what I asked?
11:19<DebianInstallSucks>I know my hardware specs
11:20<DebianInstallSucks>the only way to display the destop at all is to use ctrl-alt-keypad -
11:20<azeem>so it changes resolution?
11:20<DebianInstallSucks>it refuses to change resolution
11:20<DebianInstallSucks>stuck at 1600
11:21<azeem>how do you manage to display the desktop then?
11:21<DebianInstallSucks>ctrl-alt-keypad - changes the resolution, but imposes a 'virtual' desktop, try it, its really screwy
11:21<bja>dpkg: tell DebianInstallSucks about aptitude
11:22<gsimmons>sun: You'll need to use kernel 2.6.28 or later, or attempt to mount your filesystem read-only using ext4dev.
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11:22<gsimmons>!tell sun -about ext4
11:22<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: so don't tell us it doesn't change resolution
11:22<DebianInstallSucks>dude, it does not really work
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11:22<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: what does e.g. "grep -A1 Video.Driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep II" output?
11:22<bja>dpkg: tell DebianInstallSucks about why aptitude
11:22<azeem>bja: ?
11:22<azeem>bja: what does aptitude have to do with screen resolutions?
11:22<bja>azeem: Nvidia cards are a pain if you don't install the drivers first.
11:23<DebianInstallSucks>that may be it
11:23<azeem>bja: what does that have to do with aptitude?
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11:23<bja>azeem: DebianInstallSucks said that he didn know how to use apt, then give him an easy to use tool to install the drivers he urgently needs
11:23<DebianInstallSucks>the driver is probably the crux of the problem, given that *nothing* is working as described
11:24<azeem>DebianInstallSucks: obviously your monitor is lying to your computer about its capabilities
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11:24<bja>azeem: so he can have some way of moving himself around
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11:24<DebianInstallSucks>I think my first encounter with aptitude is the reason for choosing this login name
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11:24<azeem>bja: if you don't know apt, I doubt aptitude is any easier
11:24<themill>didn't we establish all this about 15 minutes ago?
11:24<DebianInstallSucks>apt is better, I am sure
11:24<DebianInstallSucks>everyone says it rocks
11:24<bja>azeem: have you tried aptitude on interactive mode?
11:25<DebianInstallSucks>but I used aptitude, ages ago, and had a very bad experince
11:25<azeem>bja: yes, and threw it away
11:25<azeem>I don't think discussing this helps
11:25<azeem>if you want to help, suggest synaptic
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11:25<DebianInstallSucks>so, how can I use apt to load the nvidia driver?
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11:25<azeem>!nvidia
11:25<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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11:29<DebianInstallSucks>gunna read up on the nvidia driver install, thanks for your help
11:30<sun>gsimmons thanks again
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11:33<kristianpaul>http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Debian_newbie_help_documentation
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11:44<carlos>0hellow
11:44<carlos>hola
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11:52<beer>is nouveau in experimental useable in everyday life?
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11:54<sney>so, I've got this little problem
11:54<sney>http://paste.debian.net/37358/
11:55<dr|z3d>beer: Should be, it's come a long way.
11:55<beer>gonna do a full upgrade this afternoon. Gonna test the driver
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12:03<jthomas_sb>beer I'd be interested to hear how it turns out; what hardware are you running?
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12:04<cryingtux>hello
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12:05<cryingtux>i have an issue with disk manager ....the error is this........http://pastebin.com/m2bf5ff4f
12:06<cryingtux>can i get help to fix it?
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12:07*arw saluda al canal
12:07<arw>sorry :)
12:07*arw hello folks
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12:07<ml|>hehe, hello
12:08<cryingtux>would somebody suggest something please?
12:08<arw>ml|: :)
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12:08<azeem>cryingtux: probably an issue with trying to run that GTK app as root
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12:09<cryingtux>azeem: im running it in shell to check what error it have, disk manager doesnt run when i click on it from menu
12:10<cryingtux>it keeps looking for it and then dies away
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12:10<urbinek>hi
12:11<urbinek>i have problem(?) with update
12:11<themill>dpkg: tell cryingtux about root x
12:11<urbinek>synaptic wants to remove kde3 and install kde4 ...
12:11<themill>cryingtux: take a look at gksu
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12:12<cryingtux>themill: ok
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12:12<ml|>urbinek: so you what to keep using kde3?
12:12<urbinek>yes
12:12<themill>so run lenny rather than squeese
12:12<urbinek>im runing squeeze...
12:13<urbinek>kde3 will be no avaible on squeeze ?
12:13<ml|>heh that's one solution or put a hold on kde3 in aptitude
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12:14<cryingtux>themill: gksu is gnome:::im on kde, is disk-manager a gnome apps?
12:14<urbinek>~_~ i dont have time and alacrity to reinstall system
12:14<themill>cryingtux: ahh.. in that case, use kdesu
12:14<cryingtux>i can run it as kdesu now though
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12:15<urbinek>themill: why squeeze converts to kde4 with no alternative ?
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12:15<cryingtux>thanks themill :::you have solved a big issue, it was a mess adding windows paritions manually, now i can do that with disk-manager in no time
12:15<themill>urbinek: why would it not? There are very few packages that keep old versions kicking around in the release.
12:16<themill>cryingtux: and yes, disk-manager is a gnome app. Nothing stopping you running it through KDE though.
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12:16<faizal>halo all
12:16<faizal>can help me
12:16<ml|>dpkg: tell urbinek about moving target
12:16<ml|>!ask
12:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:16<urbinek>themill: but now im forced to remove kde3 that i'm very like
12:16<faizal>ok
12:17<themill>cryingtux: btw the kde Storage Media applet for your taskbar is pretty good for removable devices and can also do other devices too
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12:17<themill>urbinek: just like you will need to upgrade to the 2.6.29 kernel and iceweasel 3.5 one day soon.
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12:18<urbinek>themill: now i'm have over 150 upgrades in system
12:18<ml|>urbinek: you can put a hold on kde3 in aptitude for now and when you have time start using lenny
12:18<valdyn>!pal urbinek
12:18*dpkg points at urbinek and laughs hysterically
12:18<ml|>:O
12:19<urbinek>valdyn: over-lol xD
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12:20<urbinek>hmm will be any problem if i upgrade squeeze to leny ?
12:20<urbinek>with no reinstall ?
12:20<ml|>urbinek: that is not an upgrade it's a downgrade
12:20<urbinek>k, downgrade
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12:21<urbinek>so will be any trobules ?
12:21<valdyn>urbinek: yes, downgrade is not supported
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12:22<themill>/msg dpkg reinstall
12:22<urbinek>god deam it >.<
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12:22<ml|>if you want to that check the debian forums, but like valdyn said and it's not worth the trouble
12:22<urbinek>ml|: squeeze won't back to kde3 i supose .. ?
12:22<ml|>no
12:23<urbinek>"kurwa" i like squeeze ...
12:23<ml|>only lenny, but put a hold on it in aptitude till you have time to reinstall
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12:24<urbinek>mi| i'll rather leave it alone that part-upgrade and reinstall, i'm too lazy
12:24<urbinek>and now it works just perfect
12:25<urbinek>meybey nex month afer i quit job
12:26<ml|>urbinek: if that is your plan why not upgrade your system, you might like kde4
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12:32<drakeman_>Hello, can i download with wget all the images with this format 001.jpg, 002.jpg, 003.jpg and so on in a website? but the folder doesnt have index, for example i cannot enter to www.google.com/gallery/ (if i do that i get a forbidden error), , but if i put www.google.com/gallery/001.jpg i get the image, wget can download all the images? for example from 001.jpg to 090.jpg?
12:32<bja>drakeman_: Try it and tell us about it
12:33<drakeman_>mmm i already trying but always get the same forbidden error message in wget.
12:33<drakeman_>but dont know if anyone know if exists a way to do it.
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12:33<bja>drakeman_: use shell expansion wget url/*.jpg
12:33<kenyon>use a loop
12:33<urbinek>drakeman_: you cant download it with wget
12:33<urbinek>create simple sctipt
12:33<urbinek>script *
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12:34<sney>http://paste.debian.net/37358/ any ideas
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12:34<hazard2>when I do the 'route' command I don't have a loopback destination, I just changed the machine to be entirely staticilay configured, any ideas why?
12:34<drakeman_>a loop with wget?
12:34<urbinek>no
12:34<urbinek>i mean. yes
12:35<drakeman_>mmm, dont know how to do it, let me search for examples in web.
12:35<urbinek>drakeman_: if tou wait i'll do one
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12:35<drakeman_>urbinek, yes i can wait, and thanks.....
12:35<bja>hazard2: take a look at ifconfig
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12:36<hazard2>bja: what about it? lo shows up like its supposed to
12:36<cryingtux>adding debian-volatile repos is safe on lenny?
12:37<hazard2>bringing up/down lo makes no difference
12:37<hazard2>err, down then up
12:37<jrabbit>cryingtux: huh
12:37<jrabbit>apt-pin it
12:37<cryingtux>how?
12:37<cryingtux>sorry im not aware of it
12:38<jrabbit>rtfm
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12:38<jrabbit>its described in depth
12:38<jrabbit>and the only accurate one
12:38<ml|>dpkg: tell cryingtux about pinning
12:38<cryingtux>ml|:thanks
12:38<ml|>np
12:39<ml|>dpkg: tell cryingtux about backport
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12:40<themill>cryingtux: yes, volatile is pretty safe to add, but you may want to keep a close eye on what you're installing from there.
12:40<cryingtux>ml|: i have both backports and volatile added into repos but never used them
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12:40<themill>cryingtux: new versions of programs will turn up sometimes in volatile which break existing setups. (same story for backports.org). Adding these repositories weakens the "stable is unchanging and won't break on you" philosophy of debian stable
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12:41<cryingtux>themill: thanks, this is informative
12:41<themill>np
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12:42<urbinek>drakeman_: this shoult work http://wklej.org/id/97211/ but check it xP
12:42<cryingtux>one can stay safe with stable repos
12:42<urbinek>should *
12:42<drakeman_>urbinek, im going to check it right now
12:42<drakeman_>urbinek, thanks!
12:43<urbinek>it's based on my MangaShare download script that works ob that same base so it should :D
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12:45<cryingtux>themill: last thing to ask:::i use smxi to install nvidia driver since debian way is too difficult for me::::smxi is safe to use?
12:45<shiznatix>Hello I am trying to get mod_perl to work with apache2 (to get the latest version of bugzilla working) but am having problems. "a2enmod perl" says it is already enabled but my simple helloworld.pl script does a download prompt and helloworld.cgi just shows the source code. How do I get this to work properly?
12:46<themill>cryingtux: I've never heard of smxi and I suspect I don't want to know any more about it. Just stick with the debian way.
12:46<cryingtux>ok
12:47<llutz>cryingtux: ask h2, join #smxi
12:47<cryingtux>thanks again i will reboot and test my new installation of my lenny which installed now
12:47<urbinek>any one have experience with Heroes III on wine ?
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12:48<arw>i've updated my debian testing system but when i try to use gnome deskto it does not "read" the keyboard but acepts the mouse actions.. with kde the keyboard function well.. any ideas?
12:50<chantanito>arw: reconfigure your xorg
12:50<drakeman_>urbinek, hey where did you learn all that? any reference? i want to learn to do that too!
12:50<chantanito>arw: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
12:50<urbinek>drakeman_: sry, "stop" isn;t working xD and hmm
12:51<urbinek>man, google and some problems :D
12:51<urbinek>and a lot of laiziness (?)
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12:51<urbinek>laziness *
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12:52<drakeman_>urbinek, the script wont work?
12:52<urbinek>ot will but it won't stop
12:53<urbinek>sec' i'll corect it
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12:56<urbinek>http://wklej.org/id/97218/
12:56<urbinek>now /dor/to/script_name START_NUMBER STOP_NUMBER
12:56<urbinek>#/path/ * xD
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12:58<drakeman_>urbinek, let me check the new one
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13:05<drakeman_>urbinek, i got an syntax error
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13:06<drakeman_>urbinek, sysntax error near unexpected token then, while [ $page_stop -ge $page] ; then
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13:08<kurt>I have problem with installing nvidia-glx in debian sid
13:09<kurt>When I try I got the messege that it cannot be install becouse of nvidia-kernel-180.44 is missing
13:09<urbinek>drakeman_: priv me
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13:09<kurt>what do I do?
13:09<chantanito>kurt: have you tried m-a a-i nvidia-kernel?
13:09<dr|z3d>kurt: You got a hint right there.
13:09<dr|z3d>Install the missing component.
13:10<urbinek>drakeman_: xD
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13:10<kurt>dr|z3d: it is missing on repo so it cannot be installed
13:10<bja>kurt: to install the nvidia driver there are three componentes, nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-uname -r and nvidia-glx all three are needed
13:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
13:11<urbinek>replace while [ $page_stop -ge $page ] ; then > while [ $page_stop -ge $page ] ; do
13:11<dr|z3d>kurt: Sounds like you need to find a repo that has it, then.
13:11<kurt>chantanito: what does that command do?
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13:11<kurt>dr|z3d: so a 3. party repo?
13:12<ml|_>dpkg: tell kurt about nvidia
13:12<chantanito>kurt: it automagically builds the nvidia kernel module for you
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13:12<chantanito>you need to install module-assistant package
13:12<bja>kurt: I forgot to make life simpler, install also module-assistant
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13:13<chantanito>kurt: once module-assistant is installed use the line that i gave you
13:13<chantanito>kurt: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel
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13:14<chantanito>kurt: then install nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig
13:14<ml|>dpkg: tell kurt about nvidia m-a
13:14<kurt>trying. The computer is a bit slow.
13:15<chantanito>kurt: then (as root) nvidia-xconfig
13:15<chantanito>kurt: then Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
13:15<kurt>nvidia-xconfig is the part that sets up x to load nvidiadriver on startup?
13:16<chantanito>kurt: nvidia-xconf modifies the xorg.conf for you so that the system can use the nv driver
13:17<ml|>yes, to configure xorg.conf
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13:17<urbinek>drakeman_: works ?
13:18<kurt>need to restart to use the new kernel (2.6.29) M-i things complaining since I am running 2,6.26 and do not have that header in repo anymore
13:18<chantanito>kurt: very important...
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13:23<bja>kurt: ??
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13:26<kurt>yes
13:27<kurt>just installed it (I think)
13:27<Guest488>hello all
13:27<kurt>need too restart X so it loads the driver
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13:27<Guest488>whats new here
13:28<azeem>Guest488: do you have a Debian question?
13:28-!-kurt [~kurt@port150.ds1-abs.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #debian
13:28<Guest488>not realy
13:28<Guest488>whats the topic about
13:28<azeem>Guest488: Debian support
13:28<Guest488>oic
13:29<azeem>if you don't have a question, please either keep quiet or leave
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13:29<Guest488>excuse me
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13:30<hazard2>if I'm using a static DNS name in debian, where to I set my dns servers?
13:30<berto>hazard2: /etc/resolv.conf
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13:30<hazard2>And that's not overwritten anymore?
13:30<scratch>hello, everyone
13:31<scratch>is this the right place to ask for help?
13:31<hazard2>oh, right duh, dhcp isn't running
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13:34<dr|z3d>scratch: If it's Debian related, sure.
13:34<scratch>it's somewhat debian-related.. it's about getting a wireless card to work
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13:34<hazard2>is the computer running debian?
13:35<chantanito>scratch: what's the problem?
13:35<dr|z3d>!tell scratch about ask
13:35<kurt>now I got nvidia driver install and run :)
13:35<scratch>yes, freshly installed debian lenny
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13:35<scratch>it's a cnet cwp-854 wireless card, that is supposed to run with the ralink-drivers
13:35<knoppix_>hello
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13:36<scratch>I've installed the drivers, using module-assistant.. but I can't configure the card, as I do not see it's .. uhm, interface (wlan0 or similar)
13:36<chantanito>kurt: congratulations!
13:36<chantanito>kurt: good for you...
13:36<kurt>the next problem I have is when I try to setup x sessions on each of my 2 screens one of them stays blank (running kde 4.2.2 and x from sid) but 1 x sessions on both screens works
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13:37<scratch>lspci reports that the card is a "non-VGA unclassified device"
13:37<chantanito>scratch: what does lspci "says"?
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13:37<kurt>I am using nvidia-settings to manipulate x.conf
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13:38<kurt>any idears why that is happening to me?
13:38<scratch>also, there is no information in the syslog (dmesg) when I insert the module
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13:39<chantanito>scratch: can you pastebin your lspci? please
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13:40<scratch>"02:0c.0 Non-VGA unclassified device: Device 0001:0002"
13:40<scratch>do you need the whoel
13:40<scratch>uhm, whole output?
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13:41<chantanito>scratch: http://paste.debian.net/
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13:41<chantanito>scratch: yes, the whole lspci output please
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13:43<scratch>http://paste.debian.net/37370
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13:44<locklace>scratch: lspci -n
13:44<scratch>http://paste.debian.net/37371
13:44<scratch>:)
13:44<chantanito>scratch: which version of debian are you using?
13:44<scratch>lenny
13:45<scratch>when I think about it, the card is detected on the knoppix cd I tried...
13:45<scratch>however, I never tried using it.. but at least there is probably a driver that works
13:46<locklace>scratch: haven't looked at the chipset specifically, but there's a good chance you need a newer kernel, try downloading the 2.6.29 kernel package from sid, install it with dpkg -i and reboot
13:46<scratch>thanks, I'll try that.. I'll also try looking at knoppix, and see what they do
13:47<scratch>thanks for your help
13:47<locklace>scratch: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6
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13:49<scratch>well, I'm off .. again, thanks for your help. :)
13:49<kurt>I have problem with my sound. I have installed alsa and turn on the volume (and set it on max) but I do not get any sounds. KDE notifire say my sound card hda Intel (alc268 analog does not work. I have tried to reloade my driver with /usr/sbin/alsa reload but it did not help (I got some warnings: look at http://debian.pastebin.com/m10ac11fc Any idears
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13:50<locklace>kurt: do you get any sound with "speaker-test -t wav"
13:51<locklace>kurt: have you run alsamixer and (a) checked volume levels, (b) tried unmuting and muting various channels
13:51<kurt>locklace: yes
13:51<cahoot>pkill knotify
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13:52<locklace>kurt: yes what
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13:52<kurt>Yes I got "front left" sound when running "speaker-test -t wav"
13:53<locklace>kurt: great. then your card works
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13:53<kurt>but I still not get any sound when using dragon player (and still still this kde messege that says it does not work)
13:55<kurt>vlc is a non-kde app, right?
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13:55<dr|z3d>vlc is Qt based, now.
13:55<dr|z3d>So it's more KDE than Gnome.
13:56<kurt>just wondering if it is using this phonom-kde-backend-thingy
13:56<dr|z3d>Quite probably.
13:57<kurt>when using vlc instead of dragonplayer I got sound and no kde notifer that tels me that my soundcard does not wrok
13:59<dr|z3d>Ah, an application that tells you your soundcard sucks? Interesting!
13:59*dr|z3d winks.
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13:59<dr|z3d>My soundcard doesn't wrok either, fwiw.
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14:00<kurt>the funny thing it is the soundcard seems working on non-kde4 apps
14:00<hever>lol. I told my girlfriend to use a upper D when changing directory to desktop. She wrote "cD desktop" ;)
14:00<kurt>and it workd flawless in Lenny
14:01<dr|z3d>Have you tried changing Dragon's driver choice? Try Alsa, perhaps?
14:01<kurt>hever: girls do what they are toled
14:01<cahoot>kurt: what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return?
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14:02<kurt> USER PID ACCESS COMMAND
14:02<kurt>/dev/snd/controlC0: kurt 3654 F.... kmix
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14:02<kurt>and kmix'er can turn up and down for volumen
14:03<cahoot>kurt: and if you tell vlc to output directly to alsa?
14:03<cahoot>(or whatever soundapp you use)
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14:05<kurt>I just know that vlc makes sounds and dragon player does not
14:05<dr|z3d>kurt: So. Try alsa with the Dragon player.
14:05<dr|z3d>And tell us if it's working that way.
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14:07<kurt>how to I tell dragon player that it should use alsa?
14:08<cahoot>no config tab?
14:08<kurt>I did find under system settings where the sound card i settup. Looks like kde-phonom is using gstream
14:09<tumba25>Konqueror, ksirc and eveything else has access to internet. Except for FireFox that can't access internet. Any hints on how to give FireFox access to the internet too?
14:09<cahoot>ff set to offline mode?
14:09<kurt>cahoot: it does but have only acess to shotcuts and stuff like that
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14:10<cahoot>kurt: ok - no good idea then
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14:11<bja>tumba25: edit->preferences network->settings
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14:11<tumba25>FF is set to online mode. I can access the router with it
14:11<tumba25>bja: Tried every setting there
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14:11<bja>tumba25: Any proxy?
14:12<tumba25>No proxy. Direct connected to the modem.
14:13<bja>tumba25: Any proxy on the network settings?
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14:13<kurt>cahoot: I have found a solution: I installed phonon-backend-xine
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14:13<tumba25>no
14:13<AlexG>Hi. what do I have to change, that my Ubuntu boots up if I create a new partition in front of the ubuntu partition?
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14:13<tumba25>Or it is set to "No proxy"
14:14<kurt>the gstream backend is not god apertly
14:14<bja>tumba25: try Use system proxy settings
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14:16<tumba25>bja: Tried "system proxy", "no proxy", Automatic and manuall The same result ewerywhere.
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14:16<tumba25>I can log in to the modems admin panel but not access internet. And its only ff that fails internet
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14:17<ernesto>hi
14:17<ernesto>can`t give permissions in the folder mnt!
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14:18<ernesto>chmod 777 mnt does not work
14:18<ernesto>debian 5
14:18<Yoda-BZH>man mount
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14:19<ernesto>hi
14:20<ernesto>can`t give permissions in the folder mnt!
14:20<ernesto>somebody?
14:20<prahal>hi hinting of the fonts it totally broken for kde3 and xul applications (the firefox gnome menus and kde4 with system hinting specified as gnome applications are fine)
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14:21<prahal>it seems it happens after installing tex-chess font ... though even removing it does not help so it may only be a trigger for reproducing the bug not the root cause
14:22<prahal>ernesto, what happens ? you need to be root to do so
14:23<ernesto>prahal, I used the root terminal, and the command sudo chmod ,
14:23<prahal>this is especially annoying for make xconfig kernel and firefox rendering of web pages
14:23<prahal>ernesto, ubuntu ?
14:23<ernesto>it works fine on another folder..
14:23<ernesto>debian 5
14:24<prahal>ok . So you set up sudo I bet (or I missed sudo config behing set by default in lenny :-/
14:24<prahal>ernesto, what is the error ?
14:25<locklace>!errors
14:25<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
14:25<ernesto>it`s not possible create folder. sistem files read only
14:25<bja>tumba25: If you can browse with konkeror and you cannot with ff then chech each one of the settings and try to copy them. Can't help you anymore :(
14:26<ernesto>i tryied to create a folder...
14:26<cahoot>ernesto: fat/vfat/ntfs/ext3?
14:26<ernesto>ext3
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14:27<prahal>ernesto, cat /proc/mounts |grep sda1 . I bet your system partition is the first on first hd (sata)
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14:29<ernesto>x
14:29<drak3man>urbinek, are you there?
14:29<ernesto>the result: /dev/sda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0
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14:31<urbinek>drak3man: yes ?
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14:32<locklace>!uuoc prahal
14:32*dpkg hands prahal the "unnecessary use of cat" award
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14:33<tumba25>bja: I have tried to copy all settings. I'll do some more research later. Thanks.
14:33<prahal>:)
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14:33<ernesto>I haven`t permissions in the partition? ? the result: /dev/sda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0
14:33<prahal>ernesto, ok so / is mounted rw (could become ro if errors happens on the disk
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14:34<bja>tumba25: good luck
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14:34<ernesto>hardware error?
14:35<prahal>ernesto, have you tried su then mkdir /mnt/test
14:35<prahal>ernesto, we phased out this option (wanted to check that first)
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14:35<ernesto>yes
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14:36<ernesto>debian:/# su
14:36<ernesto>debian:/# mkdir /mnt/test
14:36<ernesto>mkdir: não é possível criar o diretório `/mnt/test': Sistema de arquivos somente para leitura
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14:36<bja>ernesto: in English please, portuguese is a little anoying some times
14:36<prahal>grep mnt /proc/partitions ?
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14:37<ernesto>it`s not possible create the folder /mnt/test ? file sistem read only
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14:37<bja>ernesto: thx
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14:37<ernesto>bja ok. it`s ctrl c...
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14:38<ernesto>bja, do you know portuguese
14:38<ernesto>?
14:38<azeem>!pt
14:38<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:39<prahal>ernesto, grep mnt /proc/partitions
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14:41<ernesto>nothing happens..
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14:42<prahal>ok I wanted to check that nothing was mounted on /mnt (read only that is)
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14:43<ernesto>ok
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14:43<prahal>ernesto, touch /tmp/a ?
14:44<prahal>you have everything in a single partition ? that is /tmp /var etc are on sda1 ?
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14:46<ernesto>nothing..
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14:47<ernesto>let me remember.. i used a option in the instalation..
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14:48<ernesto>i mean i did not make my partitions..
14:48<prahal>ernesto, you could simply check with cat /proc/partitions . If tmp is on its own partition it will appears there
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14:50<bja>prahal: isn't it mnt that he wants to write to ?
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14:51<stuckey>Hello. How does one enlarge a LVM partition?
14:51<prahal>I wanted to test again that / was not ro (thus writing to /tmp was a simple test for a single partition install
14:51<bja>prahal: ahh
14:51<ernesto>debian:/# cat /proc/partitions
14:51<ernesto>major minor #blocks name
14:51<ernesto> 8 0 5242880 sda
14:51<ernesto> 8 1 4956021 sda1
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14:52<prahal>oups sorry cat /proc/mounts
14:52<azeem>ernesto: please use paste.debian.net
14:52<prahal>and do not paste it please. or grep tmp /proc/mounts
14:52<prahal>so it will be one line
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14:52<ernesto>ok.
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14:53<prahal>install webboard if you want pastebin . It is really great
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14:55<prahal>back to your issue ... you cannot write to /mnt which is same partition as / ... if /tmp is also part of / and you can write to it, it would really point back to read only issue
14:56<prahal>oups I mean really "not"
14:56<prahal>or you could try to sudo mount -o remount,rw / and try again to sudo mkdir /mnt/test ...
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14:57<prahal>though I prefer to keep this as last option. Because if the kernel made / read only there are reasons
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14:58<ernesto>paste.debian.net 37376
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15:00<stuckey>locklace: hey, how do I make my LVM bigger?
15:01<jkoenig>stuckey: your mean your LV ? lvextend
15:02<stuckey>Yeah it's an LV partition...
15:02<stuckey>And I want to make it bigger (I heard you can do this with LV)
15:02<jkoenig>lvextend, see the manual page (man lvextend)
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15:03<stuckey>Another question... Is it possible to use LVM to make 3 hard drives show up as one?
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15:03<jkoenig>yes,
15:03<stuckey>I mean, combime them so that I can get one big partition... you know?
15:03<stuckey>Is this the way this is usually done?
15:03<petern>no
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15:03<jkoenig>but you may want to use RAID instead.
15:03<petern>it's a recipe for dataloss
15:04<stuckey>So how is this done? Raid?
15:04<petern>raid 5
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15:04<dr|z3d>Raid 5. Striping and mirroring.
15:04<dr|z3d>Performance, and speed.
15:05<dr|z3d>Minimum 4 disks required, no?
15:05<stuckey>I thought 0 was performance...
15:05<jkoenig>stuckey: you set it up using the 'mdadm' package.
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15:05<petern>no, minimum is 3
15:06<petern>stuckey, 0 is an even worse recipe for dataloss :)
15:06<dr|z3d>stuckey: 5 is striping (perf) + mirroing (data security).
15:06<petern>dr|z3d, not really
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15:06<petern>there's specific algorithms involved so that any one disk can fail
15:06<dr|z3d>petern: Then you know more than me on the issue, it would seem. :)
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15:07<petern>raid 0+1 is striping & mirroring, and does need 4 disks
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15:07<ernesto>umount mnt - the device is busy..
15:08<petern>i like raid 6, minimum of 4 drives but any two can fail before you hit problems
15:08<stuckey>Do drives fail that often? I've never had a hard drive fail.
15:08<petern>although you end up with 1/2 capacity
15:08<petern>stuckey, yes
15:08<stuckey>What about those SCSI drives that cost a lot?
15:08<petern>even them
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15:09<stuckey>What are they all about? Just different interface or are they better?
15:09<petern>and if you join 3 drives together without redundancy, you've got 3 times the normal failure rate (or something)
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15:09<petern>oh, they're more reliable, and offer better performance, but they're not infalible
15:10<stuckey>petern: You've only trippled the rate that one hard drive will fail within your aray.
15:10<dr|z3d>stuckey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
15:10<stuckey>dr|z3d: Yeah I read that
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15:11<stuckey>So I'll have to get a raid card
15:11<petern>stuckey, yeah, and if one drive fails in a simple 3 drive lvm partition, that whole partition is messed up
15:11<stuckey>petern: so no using LVM
15:11<petern>no, software raid is adequate
15:11<petern>LVM is fine, on top of raid
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15:12<petern>or, i suppose, for storing multiple terabytes of porn movies...
15:12<prahal>ernesto, so you have everything on the same partition in the end . Could you try sudo mkdir /a ?
15:12<tomplast>Hi, has anyone been able to patch the kernel to be able to run AppArmor in Debian?
15:13<prahal>apparmor is dead upstream
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15:14<prahal>I bet you are not looking for help patching the kernel but for an up to date patch for current kernel
15:14<prahal>in short making one would mean taking mainternship for apparmor ... a bit risky
15:14<tomplast>I need help with patching, I have tried patch the kernel but all I get is error, perhaps I'm doing it wrong.
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15:14<tomplast>But is there any good alternatives to Apparmor?
15:14<tomplast>Which arent dead?
15:15<azeem>selinux
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15:15<tomplast>Which isnt too complex to learn :p
15:15<stuckey>petern: Do you use software raid or hardware raid
15:15<prahal>selinux, tomogo ... not really as simple as apparmor to maintain profiles but still
15:15<tomplast>azeem: We did talk about it a little in school but it seems to massive
15:15<tomplast>I hate profiles in selinux, thats why I really want to use Apparmor :(
15:16<prahal>yup but it is abandonned :(
15:16<ernesto>i did this: fuser -vm /mnt/
15:16<tomplast>Stupid Novell
15:16<tomplast>And grsecurity seems dead as well :(
15:16<prahal>long ago
15:17<tomplast>So I guess my SELinux is my only viable option.
15:17<tomplast>:/
15:17<tomplast>-my
15:17<prahal>I don't know much about tomogo . You could take a look
15:17<ernesto>USER root COMMAND bash
15:18<ernesto>kill -9 3828
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15:19<ernesto>now mkdir /a file exist
15:19<tomplast>prahal: Hmm okay, do you know the web site for the tomogo project?
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15:20<prahal>http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/
15:20<tomplast>tomoyo :P. aha, no wonder I didnt find anything when I searched for tomogo :P
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15:20<prahal>oups tomoyo
15:21<tomplast>^^
15:21<tomplast>But this tomoyo, has anyone been able to get it running under Debian?
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15:21<prahal>\o/
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15:22<prahal>I noticed it in latest vanilla kernels .... that s all I can tell . buzzword
15:22<tomplast>Nice
15:22<tomplast>Thank you so much prahal for tipping me about this :D
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15:24<tomplast>Now its time for reading some documentation, thanks man :D. Bye
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15:31<ernesto>prahal: solved!
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15:32<prahal>ernesto, how ? I was a bit lost
15:32<ernesto>something was using the mount in /mnt..
15:32<ernesto>i just reboot..
15:32<ernesto>now its fine..
15:33<prahal>hum ok :)
15:33<ernesto>thanks for your help.
15:34<prahal>and my issue with font hinting magically solved (after using gnome-appearance-properties ... I believe something was old in my $HOME/.fonts.conf :)
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15:35<prahal>anyone knows of a close to trebuchet ms font for linux that does not comes from ms itself ? it is used on website I develop for ...
15:36<ixp425>has anyone run into problems install prostgresql in squeeze?
15:37<dr|z3d>prahal: If you need the font, mscorefonts has it. Otherwise, do a comparison visually with your resident fonts.
15:37<prahal>msttcorefonts is ms :)
15:37<dr|z3d>There are roughly equivalent open variants.
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15:38<prahal>for arial, verdana , etc I found ... not for trebuchet .... that s why I ask
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15:40<dr|z3d>prahal: http://sourceforge.net/projects/trebuchet/
15:40<dr|z3d>Forget that.
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15:40<prahal>:)
15:40<prahal>I had been confused by this too
15:40<dr|z3d>http://mairin.wordpress.com/2006/06/30/trebuchet-ms-vs-bitstream-vera-sans/
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15:42<ixp425>nevermind.....it's just weird
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15:45<daryl>What would cause my apache2 to give me a forbidden response when accessing the page and an error message stating it can 't determine server's qualified domain name.
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15:49<petern>stuckey, i use both
15:50<petern>stuckey, not together, of course
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15:53<SamWatkins>hey does anyone know how to make apt-get download a package, even if the dependencies aren't satisfied?
15:54<SamWatkins>preferably without hacking it
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15:55<dondelelcaro>SamWatkins: you can just wget the package if you want
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15:55<dondelelcaro>SamWatkins: but if you actually want to install it, fix the dependencies
15:55<SamWatkins>yeah but that I have to FIND that package which is annoying
15:55<dondelelcaro>SamWatkins: you could also just go aptitude download foopkg;
15:56<SamWatkins>that will do it, thanks very much :)
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15:57<jordi_>hola
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16:01<kampasky>Hi! Can I get latest wine on my squeeze without compiling it myself?
16:02<Torsten_W>kampasky, install playonlinux
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16:02<Torsten_W>kampasky, then u can download with this tool wine 1.1.22
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16:06<kampasky>i meant something in the form of a deb package so that it's maintainable easily
16:06<kampasky>i'd rather compile it otherwise
16:06<SamWatkins>compiling wine is challenging
16:07<SamWatkins>if you google debian wine the first link goes to winehq where the lastest packages are available
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16:08<kampasky>but only for ubuntu
16:08<kampasky>i'm not sure if it's safe to pick one of the apt repositories for squeeze or which one
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16:08<SamWatkins>http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny
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16:09<kampasky>oh, i didn't see that at all!
16:09<kampasky>thanks
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16:10<xlotlu>woot http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license
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16:12<stuckey>petern: which card do you use?
16:13<SamWatkins>their homepage http://www.waveprotocol.org/ sucks I read it and I still have no idea what it's about
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16:14<xlotlu>SamWatkins: it's an extension to xmpp, made peer2peer
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16:15<xlotlu>which can server as a p2p "chat room" where a bunch of people do whatever they want that their plugins allow for:
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16:16<xlotlu>chat, share images, watch videos, collaborative document editing ....
16:16<petern>stuckey, none in particular. HP's built-in raid controller in their servers, or Areca's SATA controllers, some adaptec controllers, etc
16:16<xlotlu>with a "replay" function
16:16<stuckey>petern: they're all essentially the same?
16:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 409] by debhelper
16:17<petern>they do the same job, yeah
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16:28<qwalk>Evening
16:29<qwalk>Can i connect to an irc channel through the terminal instead of using a program such as XChat?
16:29<erKURITA>iirc ?
16:29<erKURITA>uhm
16:29<qwalk>What is that? Another application?
16:29<erKURITA>what was it again
16:30<locklace>!irssi
16:30<dpkg>irssi is probably the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on irc.freenode.net.
16:30<erKURITA>oh yes
16:30<erKURITA>irsssi
16:30<erKURITA>-s
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16:30<qwalk>I will take a look at it, thanks.
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16:35<qwalk_>test
16:35<locklace>!test
16:35<dpkg>Test Failed.
16:35<qwalk_>oO
16:35<stuckey>ha
16:35<bja>dpkg: wb
16:35<dpkg>thanks, bja. It's good to be back.
16:36<qwalk_>:)
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16:36<qwalk>irssi is nice.
16:37<stuckey>Yep...
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16:37<qwalk>I just changed everything to Debian, all my desktops and servers was running windows, i got sick of it..
16:37<stuckey>A tip: /lastlog -file name.txt ouputs the current channel to a .txt file.
16:37<stuckey>That's quite useful qwalk.
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16:39<qwalk>ping google.com
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16:47<qwalk_>How do i change from one chat to another?
16:47<qwalk_>I am using irssi.
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16:47<stuckey>Either ALT+(a number of the chat), or ESC+(number of chat)
16:48<stuckey>Or ALT+(LEFT ARROW/RIGHT ARROW)
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16:48<qwalk_>Oh i see, thanks very much, :D
16:48<qwalk_>Is there a special channel for linux help? I am new to debian.
16:48<stuckey>There's this channel, and #linux on irc.freenode.net
16:48<stuckey>There's also #debian on irc.freenode.net
16:48<qwalk_>Thanks.,
16:49-!-uva_ [bno@118-160-161-130.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #debian
16:49<ml|_>also ctrl n <--- next channel ...
16:49<stuckey>oh wow, thanks ml|_ I didn't even know about that.
16:50<ml|_>also ctrl p <--- privous channel ...
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16:50<ml|_>np
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16:51<ml|_>s/privous/previous
16:51<stuckey>Anyone here ever heard of Rubyripper?
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16:52<qwalk>No
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16:52<ml|_>stuckey: check out abcde
16:52<qwalk>Anybody has any experience with setting up a linux firewall/router?
16:53<qwalk>IPCOP, IPFIRE etc.?
16:53<ml|_>dpkg: tell stuckey about abcde
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16:54<qwalk>qwalk
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16:55<stuckey>ml|_: it's the same thing as ripit, a front-end to the programs which rip/encode?
16:56<ml|_>stuckey: yes, read msg from dpkg
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16:56<stuckey>ml|_: how come it doesn't say anything about rubbyripper?
16:57<ml|_>stuckey: you dpkg ?
16:57<ml|_>*mean
16:57<stuckey>Yes
16:58<ml|_>no has told dpkg about rubbyripper
16:58<qwalk>What is dpkg?
16:58<stuckey>It isn't in the repository
16:58<qwalk>!apache
16:58<dpkg>apache is, like, a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; ask me about <apache2><install apache2><apache 1.3><apache manual>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://httpd.apache.org/ #apache on irc.freenode.net.
16:58<qwalk>Cool.
16:58<qwalk>!IPCOP
16:58<dpkg>rumour has it, ipcop is a RedHat based firewall disto, It is used to share an internet connection using old hardware. http://www.ipcop.org, or a fork of smoothwall by disillusioned developers, or ipcop is all Free Software, Smoothwall is not (there is a non-GPL commercial version).
16:58<ml|_>stuckey: aww, didn't now
16:58<adb>dejavu
16:59<adb>oops , sorry
16:59<stuckey>ml|_: do you know anything about rubyripper?
16:59<ml|_>dpkg: tell qwalk about self tell
16:59<stuckey>I'm just wanting to know if it's worth using.
16:59<qwalk>is stuckey a robot or a human?
16:59<ml|_>stuckey: i just know it's similar to abcde, but have never used it
17:00<ml|_>qwalk: heh
17:00<stuckey>ml|_: Okay ml|_, I'll remember that.
17:01<ml|_>dpkg: tell qwalk about dpkgbot
17:01<ml|_>stuckey: ?
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17:01<qwalk>!dpkgbot
17:01<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
17:01<stuckey>huh?
17:01<qwalk>This is awesome, like a wikipedia...
17:01<qwalk>, in irc.
17:01<stuckey>Better than Wikipedia...
17:01<qwalk>I cant tell yet.
17:02<ml|_>qwalk: read the msg from dpkg plz
17:02<ml|_>stuckey: stuckey> ml|_: Okay ml|_, I'll remember that<--- ?
17:02<stuckey>To try abcde... ?
17:03<qwalk>Anybody been through CCNP?
17:03<ml|_>oh, i have not used it much so far it works great
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17:04<stuckey>ml|_: I use ripit... it's the same thing I believe, just a front end.
17:04<qwalk>Would it be save to set up an IPCOP firewall and us it as router for an internetwork with servers? Or do you suggest using a router?
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17:07<ml|_>stuckey: yes they are similar
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17:09<adama_>judd: versions wwwconfig-common
17:09<judd>adama_: wwwconfig-common -- etch: 0.0.48 lenny: 0.1.2 sid: 0.2.0 sid: 0.2.1 squeeze: 0.2.1
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17:18<ml|_>stuckey: do you mm in your sources.list?
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17:19<stuckey>ml|_: do I what???
17:19<ml|_>dpkg: tell stuckey about dmmm
17:19<ml|_>dpkg: tell stuckey about dmm
17:19<stuckey>ml|_: oh no, absolutely not.
17:19<ml|_>http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/rubyripper.php
17:20<stuckey>ml|_: oh, so there are some "copyright/patent" issues with this program?
17:21<ml|_>now that i have looked it there, must be
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17:21<ml|_>s/it/it's
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17:21<stuckey>Do you know what it might be? Does it have perhaps the wrong kind of license?
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17:23<ml|_>dunno
17:23<ml|_>are you on lenny?
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17:25<stuckey>Yep
17:26<ml|_>dpkg:tell stuckey dmm lenny
17:26<ml|_>if you want to use dmm^
17:27<stuckey>Don't want to use dmm
17:27<ml|_>ok
17:27<qwalk>is it freenode.net or .org+
17:27<stuckey>.net
17:27<qwalk>thnx
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17:30<qwalk>!iptables
17:30<dpkg>methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450
17:31<arw>dpkg: knows a lot
17:31<dpkg>arw: bugger all, i dunno
17:31<arw>ahh is a robot..
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17:42<snarkymama>Howdy.
17:43<snarkymama>I'm running Debian 4 with XFCE, and wondering how to change the program assigned to open particular file extensions. (.jpg, for example)
17:43<snarkymama>?
17:44<ga_bash>!confuse snarkymama
17:44<dpkg>No, what was your pineapple today, snarkymama? Wellies of the Democracy of Swaziland with extra anchovies.
17:44<snarkymama>Mm, bots.
17:44<dr|z3d>snarkymama: Right click on file, properties -> assign application.
17:44<snarkymama>Thanks. Lemme try.
17:44<ga_bash>snarkymama, you used windows...
17:44<ga_bash>its just like that..
17:45<chantanito>snarkymama: right click --> properties
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17:45<chantanito>snarkymama: General --> Open with...
17:46<snarkymama>Suggestions for a lightweight/quick launching image viewer which allows easy navigating through images within the same folder as the one opened?
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17:53<ga_bash>snarkymama, ask in #windows..
17:53<quitte>snarkymama: nautilus
17:53<themill>kuickshow does that very nicely. But you're not going to like that idea, I can tell.
17:53<chantanito>snarkymama: gthumb
17:54<quitte>or that, yes.
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17:55<snarkymama>ga_bash: in #windows? Are you speaking of X, or is that a joke? I've used Linux for many years..
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17:56<azeem>ga_bash: eh, if you don't want to help keep quiet
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17:58<snarkymama>So, two things: 1) I want to change the system/X/user/WM-wide default, not just for individual files. 2) Nothing other than GIMP shows up in the options for "Open with," in the dialog or the contextual menu.
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17:59<ml|>themill: kuickshow <--- is that the right name?
17:59<snarkymama>(I did just install a few different viewers, so GIMP's definitely not the only one there)
17:59<snarkymama>ml|: yes
17:59<themill>ml|: yes
17:59<waldk>how would i go about reinstalling grub so that it detects all oss on different hdds? i tried just reinstalling through grub but that did not change anything.
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18:01<ml|>ah it's not in testing, only in etch, lenny
18:01<snarkymama>ml|: yeah, I'm running Etch, here.
18:01<waldk>does that make sense?
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18:02<snarkymama>waldk: I'm here for help myself, but I'm not sure there's a way to have GRUB detect "all" OSs. Do you want it to find Windows, for example?
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18:02<waldk>yes. something like that
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18:03<snarkymama>(IIRC, it will detect Linux kernels generally, but I don't *think*.. that it'll find Win.)
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18:04<snarkymama>Okay, so I'll propose a new question: how do I add programs to be recognized as options for a certain filetype?
18:04<snarkymama>Is there a MIME mapping somewhere?
18:04<azeem>snarkymama: it's desktop-dependent
18:04<lg_work>where's a good place to ask about if a package in unstable has a circular dependency?
18:05<azeem>lg_work: ask what?
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18:05<snarkymama>azeem: Thanks. Would that be an XFCE thing, then? (That's the default WM for us.)
18:05<azeem>snarkymama: I don't know, I don't use XFCE
18:06<snarkymama>azeem: Understood, but I just mean, would XFCE be my "desktop" in this context?
18:06<azeem>yes
18:07<lg_work>azeem: well, in unstable following the dependencies for mono-runtime for for instance gets you mono-runtime->mono-gac->mono-2.0-gac->libmono-corlib2.0-cil->mono-runtime which to me looks like a circular dependency
18:07<azeem>yes
18:07<lg_work>is that correct?
18:07<azeem>it's a circular dependency, yes
18:08<azeem>(if your analysis is correct, which I did not check)
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18:08<locklace>!fgi snarkymama xfce-open-with
18:08<dpkg>snarkymama: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=xfce-open-with
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18:13<snarkymama>locklace: that led me to Thunar's (XFCE's file manager) docs. Didn't occur to me that it would be intergrated in that way, but that seems to be the trick I was missing. Thanks for the seemingly obvious. :)
18:13<snarkymama>s/intergrated/integrated
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18:15<snarkymama>Great, I think that's all I needed. Thanks all for the help!
18:16<locklace>!congratulate snarkymama
18:16<dpkg>Woohoo snarkymama, you did it!
18:17<snarkymama>(It's amazing how much in Linux can be dependent upon knowing the right name. I've been a Linux user for, like I said, years (at least 8), and'm generally pretty competant, but if you don't know how things are particularly structured...)
18:17<snarkymama>Anywho, ya'all have a great day.
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18:21<bja>!next
18:21<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
18:21<zobel>!dam
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18:31<javi>hola
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18:31<bja>!es
18:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:31<bja>javi: or #debian-ar
18:31<javi>ok thanks
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19:47<njg>I am struggling to find any documentation on the output of 'apt-cache depends xyz' . For example how to inteprete the <> and |. Has any one any pointers?
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19:54<ml|>njg: huh
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19:55<njg>ml|: it produces a nice list with y <> | and Depends: tags
19:56<locklace>adama_: working on a mainframe?
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19:57<adama_>nope, a p4
19:58<locklace>adama_: your pointer size suggests otherwise
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20:02<adama_>locklace: ummmmm... I'm using 12-byte words and a hacked memory controller?
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20:05<quitte>hi. could someone please try if the right to left double page printing option works for him in gnome?
20:06<quitte>just doing a preview is enough. no actual paper waste necessary
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20:18<ed_debian>Hey guys (me again) I figuered out that my udev rule is calling my script (as it should) but that some of the commands in my script aren't being run (for one reason or another). Namely the rsync and notify-send programs aren't running. I think that whatever user that calls scripts from udev doesn't have permissions to run them. how do I change who can run what program? Or is there a bash shortcut around this problem??
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20:37<ed_debian>nobody?!? Awww come 'on
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20:38<shamanix>I'm here, but thats nothing out of the ordinary
20:38<ed_debian>lol
20:38<ed_debian>Hi shamanix
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20:41<adama_>ed_debian: try putting the full path to the binary in your script, like /usr/bin/rsync
20:41<adama_>bye!
20:41<ed_debian>adama_, That was quick! Thanks, Bye!
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20:43<ml|>ed_debian: if doen't work, maybe pastebin your script would be helpful for you to get help with it
20:45<bja>ed_debian: Check who owns the script it might be useful to have root own it
20:46<bja>bye
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20:47<ed_debian>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=39470
20:47<ed_debian>bja, Would the script then inherit roots powers?
20:48<ml|>ed_debian: no
20:48<ed_debian>I will make root own it anyways and test
20:48<ed_debian>thanks :)
20:49<ml|>yes and place it in /usr/local/bin
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20:52<ed_debian>so now my rule can just be "RUN+="script.sh" because it is /usr/local/bin correct? (BTW it is now owned by root)
20:53<ml|>try it if it doesn't work then you will need full path, nut that should work
20:53<ed_debian>ok
20:53<ed_debian>hangon
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20:54*ml| hangon's to the floor, but sure how long I can hold on ;)
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20:56<ed_debian>It did not run the script
20:56<ed_debian>I will now try full path (usr/local/bin/test.sh)
20:57<ml|>are you using the right name
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20:57<ed_debian>I'm positive
20:58<ed_debian>just a second ago /home/ed/test.sh worked
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20:58<ed_debian>when I moved it to /usr/local/test.sh and tried RUN+="test.sh" it did not work
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20:59<ed_debian>(and when I say "worked" I mean it exported to the udev.out file. The rsync and notify-send commands have never been run by udev)
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21:00<ml|>$PATH
21:00<ml|>bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory
21:00<ed_debian>also if I simply run "test.sh" (since it is in /usr/local/bin) it runs
21:00<ml|>right
21:01<ml|>how where you running before?
21:01<ml|>*it
21:01<ed_debian>/home/ed/test.sh
21:01<ml|>so it's running now?
21:01<ed_debian>(putting in the full path name in the rules file made the script execute
21:02<ml|>:)
21:02<ed_debian>again though it only did the export command none of the rsyncs or the notify-sends
21:02<ml|>pastebin?
21:02<ml|>or above link
21:02<ml|>?
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21:03<ed_debian>what about above link?
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21:04<ed_debian>Breaking news! If I su (to root) and try to run notify-send I get "unable to get session bus..." "...Possible causes include..."
21:05<ml|>i don't see anything there about rsync and notify-send in the dorum link
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21:05<ed_debian>the exact same command (copy and pasted even) works as "ed"
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21:06<ed_debian>Whoops! I'm an idiot and forgot that I didn't post my script ! just the udev rules lol
21:06<ml|>ed_debian: did make it executable for everybody?
21:07<ed_debian>ml|, I made the script executable
21:07<ed_debian>How do you control who it is executable for?
21:08<ml|>chmod x+a test.sh
21:08<ml|>that's for all
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21:10<ml|>use o for other, g for group ,u for user/owner
21:11<ml|>use the - to remove permissions
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21:13<ed_debian>sudo chmod x+a test.sh
21:13<ed_debian>chmod: invalid mode: `x+a'
21:13<ed_debian>Try `chmod --help' for more information.
21:14<ml|>ooops a+x
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21:14<ml|>sry
21:14<ed_debian>thanks :)
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21:15<ml|>is it working?
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21:16<ed_debian>I am testing
21:16<ml|>ok lmk
21:16<ed_debian>how do you check who a file is executable for anyway?
21:16<ml|>ls -la on the file or dir
21:16<Falsechicken>I would like to say thanks to all the developers and people who are providing support for Debian. And putting your time and effort into making debian what it is today. thanks
21:16<kamitree>hello, i have a p4 rack mount server that i would like to take for advantage of (meaning its processor power) i know the chip and it's specs (like that it has hyper-threading and stuff) what would be the best way to optimize my system for it (i'm doing a fresh install) should i compile my kernel?
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21:18<ed_debian>alright here is what happens when I connect my pmp
21:18<Nemoder>kamitree: you shouldn't /need/ to just make sure to choose the right kernel package
21:18<ml|>right
21:19<ed_debian>the udev rule calls the script. The script runs and uses four rsync commands to copy files to the folder where the pmp is mounted. It then runs "export>/home/ed"
21:19<ml|>so it's working
21:19<ed_debian>the export command is working everytime, the rsync commands are not (I think because the pmp is also not auto-mounting now) It used to automatically mount /dev/sdb to /media/COWON
21:20<ed_debian>and it would open a nautilus window to show me
21:20<ed_debian>Ever since I wrote my own udev rule it no longer does that
21:20<Nemoder>kamitree: although if you do know a lot about kernel options you easily make your own kernel package for debian
21:20<Nemoder>!tell kamitree -about kernel-package
21:21<ml|>ed_debian: may use pmount in your script
21:21<kamitree>Nemoder: if i go with the right kernel package will it select the multimedia instructions (mmx, sse, sse2) i haven't be able to read much about these but i'm assuming if i make it as close to exactly what my system is the faster it will go (more so with compiled stuff). also is hyper-threading activated automatically or do i have to do that myself (some places say it is some say it's not)
21:21<ed_debian>Can I use just mount?
21:21<ed_debian>What is the difference?
21:21<Falsechicken>is there any way i can set a shortcut key to enable and disable wireless networking?
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21:22<kamitree>Nemoder: is it worth my time and effort to compile (i reading it doesn't really speed things up) so i'm not sure i want to put that kinda effort into it
21:22<Nemoder>as far as I know those should all be enabled and detected in the generic kernel
21:22<ml|>ed_debian: you'll need to be root for that, so your script would only run with root
21:22<ml|>or maybe use usbmount
21:23<ml|>dpkg: tell ed_debian about pmount
21:23<ml|>dpkg: tell ed_debian about usbmount
21:23<ed_debian>my script is run as root when udev runs it any other reason? I had to install pmount. How did udev manage this without pmount?
21:23<ed_debian>I read man pmount
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21:24<ml|>ed_debian: did you say it's not being mounted?
21:24<ml|>s/did/didn't
21:24<ed_debian>well it was before I changed the udev rules
21:24<ed_debian>now it is not
21:24<ml|>but all you change was the PATH right
21:25<ed_debian>so I need the script to mount it (that I agree with you on) now which program to use? Mount, pmount, or usbmount?
21:25<ml|>is it usb?
21:25<ed_debian>ml|, I'm not sure what you're asking but my solitary rule is : "KERNEL=="sdb", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/test.sh"
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21:26<ed_debian>it is a usb device (usb drive for all intents and purposes)
21:26<ml|>anyways it's good to have pmount and usbmount
21:26<ed_debian>I like the idea of pmount
21:27<ml|>ed_debian: i asked becuase it was working before [mounting] and now it's not, so what did you change for it not to mount
21:28<kamitree>thanks for all of your help
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21:28<ed_debian>I added a rule to /etc/udev/rules.d/10.local.rules
21:29<ed_debian>10-local.rules* rather
21:29<ed_debian>which is a file I created and I placed only one (aforementioned) rule into
21:30<ed_debian>If I comment that rule out and plug in my pmp it will auto-mount for me and open up a nautilus window at that location
21:30<ml|>ah, so it wasn't working before you move it to /usr/local/bin/
21:30<ml|>thought it was
21:32<ml|>so yeah you will need to mount it, usbmount does it automatically for you and umount
21:32<ed_debian>ml|, It was working so long as I specified a full path (regardless of where it was) What didn't work was when I placed it in /usr/local/bin and tried to just call its name
21:33<ml|>sry if i wasn't clear above i was talikng about mounting only
21:33<ed_debian>o ok yeah
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21:34<ed_debian>then you're right about it not working (although the location / working of the script doesn't effect it at all) it didn't auto-mount cause I had any sort of rule regarding it
21:34<ml|>right
21:34<ml|>so add a line to your script to mount it
21:35<ed_debian>yeah I'm working on it right now
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21:44<duraperidol>lo
21:44<duraperidol>is there a way to repair the luks header on a hd?
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21:50<ranix>duraperidol: sounds like you are in a bind
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21:55<duraperidol>ranix: yes, I am in tears :P. i was mounting my luks portable hd, in windows..
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21:56<duraperidol>err, first time i had done it. (lenny is more convenient), I err.. used freeotfe to open it.. and it would not have a drive letter assigned to the dev. so i went to compmgmt.msc, and I err. told it to "Initialize Disc" and I read up on the cmd before I ran the cmd, and now the luks header is fucked.
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21:57<duraperidol>win would not allow me to do anything but "initialize disc" which it was said, is not a format.. damn. 330 gigs out the door.. are there any dmcrypt fsck-like tools, or is that still on the wishlist?
21:58<duraperidol>i am rechecking it back on lenny, as err. sftp just doesnt cut it sometimes.
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22:01<duraperidol>anyone have any ideas?
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22:17<duraperidol>thanks. great community here and all.
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22:18<ml|>duraperidol: be patient some might come and help you
22:18<Guest573>thanx alot
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22:22<Co_X>dear all expert... if i ask you, what is basically difference between debian and ubuntu?
22:22<ml|>dpkg: tell Co_X about ubuntu
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22:23<Co_X>thanks ml
22:23<bernie__>ubunto is linux for humans
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22:24<ml|>np
22:24<bernie__>debian is linux for the rest of us
22:24<Co_X>bernie : mean that debian for human and machine.. right :-)
22:25<Co_X>and where i can download debian based program?
22:25<Co_X>installer kind like that
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22:25<shamanix>debian is more a DIY construction kit, Ubuntu is what we like to call a cookie cutter distro IMHO
22:25<Co_X>such a game maybe... where i can have it?
22:26<Co_X>or tools kind like photo editor
22:26<shamanix>Co_X the same way you would with ubuntu
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22:26<bernie__>Parsix is a good distro that installs easier than ubuntu and is just about identical to debian
22:27<bernie__>i use it on an old dell inspiron i had laying around, its nice, i like it
22:27<adb>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/
22:27<Co_X>shamanix : i am very new in all linux...
22:28<adb>Co_X: 32 bit or 64 bit ?
22:28<Co_X>adb : i mean that something that not included from debian repository.. :-)
22:28<shamanix>Co_X find tutorials on apt-get, aptitude or synaptic, its not that hard
22:28<bernie__>both
22:28<Co_X>32 bit for user only
22:29<shamanix>synaptic makes windows style installs look hard its that easy
22:30<Co_X>shamanix : yup.. i do already use synaptic...
22:30<snogglethorpe>of course it's even _easier_ from the command-line...
22:30<Co_X>i learn here to use debian... it's really fun
22:31<adb>Co_X: for games do : apt-cache search game
22:31<adb>and pick some from there
22:31<Co_X>adb : that easy?
22:31<adb>yes
22:32<Co_X>adb : a'll try it....
22:32<adb>apt-get install sauerbraten < - 3D first-person game engine
22:32<Co_X>adb : thank's for helpfull information... :-)
22:32<adb>np
22:32<ml|>!coffee adb
22:32*dpkg decants a fine brew of fair trade Colombian for adb, courtesy of ml|
22:32<adb>ml|: greetings ml|
22:33<ml|>hello, being well?
22:33<adb>sleeping ...
22:33<ml|>heh doesn't seem like it
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22:34<adb>Co_X: apt-get install wesnoth
22:34<adb>04:31:05am
22:34<adb>ml|:
22:34<adb>^
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22:35<Co_X>adb : i'll keep it all and install it one-by-one :-) thank you...
22:35<adb>yw
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22:35<ml|>!sleep
22:35<dpkg>sleep is, like, for wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
22:35<adb>heh
22:36<ml|>:)
22:36*adb had last coffee 1.5 y ago
22:37<shamanix>bah, just install zsnes, get some ROMs and have fun, of course I'm one of those rare people who think the SNES is supperior to anything else other then a Linux PC ;-)
22:37<ml|>i haven't had coffe in years
22:37<ml|>ok so ...
22:37<ml|>!beer adb
22:37*dpkg pours a quart of Jever for adb
22:37<adb>sweet ..
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22:54<Wilduck>So guys
22:54<Wilduck>I just sshed into my home server at college, from my house
22:54<Wilduck>and I need to download a file
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22:54<Wilduck>how do I do that?
22:56<ml|>scp
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22:57<Wilduck>I type scp and then the name of the file?
22:57<Wilduck>and it downloads it?
22:58<ml|>man scp so you get the idea
22:58<Wilduck>just did
22:58<ml|>ok ...
22:59<Wilduck>so...
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22:59<ml|>scp -p /some/dir/file user@host:/where/files/will/go/
22:59<Wilduck>ok
23:00<ml|>or scp -pr /some/dir/files/ user@host:/where/files/will/go/ <--- to cp whole dir
23:00<Wilduck>awesome
23:00<Wilduck>thanks
23:00<ml|>np
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23:00<ml|>and...
23:01<ml|>you can leave out the -p , but that Preserves modification times, access times, and modes from the original file
23:02<Wilduck>yeah I saw that
23:02<Wilduck>looks good =)
23:02<ml|>yeah i like scp
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23:24<kamitree>so i have been looking into optimizing my linux kernel for my p4 with hyper threading (i came in hear earlier) and i have been reading a lot about smp and smt support, i want to know if i need to have both smp and smt enable to take advantage of my ht or just smt and inorder to enable those do i need to compile the kernel or is it just an option to set?
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23:26<ppguimaraes>winxlinux
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23:36<ml|>!beer duraperidol
23:36*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Piraat for duraperidol
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23:38<kamitree>do i need to install a different kernel for smp support
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23:39<ml|>no it should just work
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23:39<kamitree>kk thanks
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23:54<Co_X>dear all... if i had download file with .deb extension... how to install it?
23:54<Hideo>Co_X: man dpkg
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23:55<Hideo>Co_X: it's usually not recommended to download some random .deb online and installing it
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23:55<Hideo>Co_X: the apt system exits for a reason
23:55<ml|>yup
23:55<Hideo>dependency and crap
23:56<Co_X>hideo : i do download so if i need to install in several debian user, then i don't need to redownload it again
23:56<Hideo>also this is not like the windows world where you'd go to some shareware website and download weather bug, bonzi and other crap
23:56<ml|>but dpkg -i should do the trick
23:56<Co_X>and i just download Python-MySQLdb library in .deb format file
23:57<ml|>but when you install it with aptitude it saves it for you
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23:57<Hideo>Co_X: I dunno about that .deb but ... beware of dependency problem when you install some random .deb downloaded online
23:58<Co_X>i find it from http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/python-mysqldb/download
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23:58<ml|>in /var/cache/apt/archives/
23:58<Co_X>i download it cos i need to install it on several user computer
23:59<ml|>Co_X: have you ever run aptitude clean ?
23:59<Co_X>ml : no..
23:59<ml|>check what you have in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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23:59<Hideo>Co_X: http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-mysqldb , see the red dots? Those are the packages that this .deb depends on, and if you click on those, they depend on some other packages as well and just branch out
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